Thompson Links Reid To 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists, Claims He Is ‘Encouraging Our Enemies’
Thompson Links Reid To 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists, Claims He Is ‘Encouraging Our Enemies’
In his latest ABC News podcast, former senator Fred Thompson suggests that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) criticized outgoing Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Peter Pace last week to appeal to “fringe” anti-American elements “who think the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.”
Reid “made his statement about General Pace on a conference call with fringe elements of the blogosphere who think we’re the bad guys,” Thompson says. “Whether he means to or not, he’s encouraging our enemies to believe that they are winning the critical war of will.”
Thompson also compares 9/11 conspiracy theories to claims that the war in Iraq was a “sinister Republican plot.” He says, “Reid has led the attack on the administration, with Nancy Pelosi, charging it lied and tricked America into supporting the war.” Thompson claims that “multiple hearings and investigations into pre-war intelligence findings” have “debunked this paranoid myth.”
Thompson’s attempt to link Reid to conspiracy theorists is completely baseless. Thompson also gets his facts wrong. In fact, multiple hearings and investigations have conclusively shown that intelligence was manipulated to send this country into war. Among many examples:
– The Pentagon’s inspector general found that former Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith developed, produced, and disseminated “alternative intelligence assessments” to falsely claim that a relationship existed between Iraq and al Qaeda.
– The White House set up intelligence stovepipes to “get information they wanted directly to the top leadership.” Vice President Cheney and company relied on information provided by the Iraqi National Congress, an exile group headed by Ahmad Chalabi. “Chalabi’s defector reports were…flowing from the Pentagon directly to the Vice-President’s office, and then on to the President, with little prior evaluation by intelligence professionals.” State Dept. intelligence expert Greg Thielmann said that prior to the Iraq war that “garbage was being shoved straight to the President.”
UPDATE: Bob Geiger, one of the bloggers on Reid’s conference call, responds to Thompson HERE.
Transcript:
Well, you’ve heard by now that Senate leader Harry Reid insulted one of this country’s brightest military minds, Marine Corps General Peter Pace — calling him “incompetent.” Let me take a few moments to put this in context.
First, Harry Reid voted for the war, like a majority of our legislators. America decided as a nation to free Iraq and the region from Saddam Hussein’s tyranny. I have friends, both Democrat and Republican, who questioned the decision at the time, but the Republic made a commitment based on constitutional and democratic procedures. So they are now a hundred percent committed to moving forward in a way that’s best for our country. None of them, by the way, believe surrendering to the forces of terror in Iraq is what’s best for our country.
Harry Reid, though, has taken a different route. He made his statement about General Pace on a conference call with fringe elements of the blogosphere who think we’re the bad guys. This is a place where even those who think the 9/11 attacks were an inside job find a home.
And why shouldn’t they think that? Reid has led the attack on the administration, with Nancy Pelosi, charging it lied and tricked America into supporting the war. Ignoring multiple hearings and investigations into pre-war intelligence findings that have debunked this paranoid myth, they accuse an entire administration of conspiracy to trick us into a war.
I suppose that’s easier for some than admitting that they’ve flip flopped — but the fact that Reid says this sinister Republican plot is going to help him elect more Democrats ought to be raising a few flags. Saying General Pace is incompetent doesn’t even rank near the top of his bizarre statements.
How could anyone possibly believe, as Reid charges, that our commanding general in Iraq, David Petraeus, is out of touch with what’s going on. Surely someone in Reid’s position would know that Petraeus is briefed daily on all aspects of Iraq — from civil to military. Surely he has to know that Petraeus is a true warrior scholar who literally wrote the Army’s book on counterinsurgency warfare.
But Reid’s comments are not meant for logical analysis. He proclaimed the war lost some time ago, and the surge as a failure even before the additional troops were on the ground. The problem is that every one of Reid’s comments I’ve noted here has also been reported gleefully by Al Jazeera and other anti-American media. Whether he means to or not, he’s encouraging our enemies to believe that they are winning the critical war of will.
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“a conference call with fringe elements of the blogosphere”
is he referring to l.g.f.?
June 19th, 2007 at 12:59 pmThompson’s attempt to link Reid to conspiracy theorists is completely baseless. Thompson also gets his facts wrong.
sigh… it doesn’t matter…
he got his message out there… the one the bots want to hear…
abc enabled it… it’s what they do… they ALL do…
now, who, besides TP and MM and the hated blogoshpere
June 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pmare going to point out the fallicies to the joe blows out there?
who’d gonna hear that?
… sigh…
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Dang. “Law and Order” Fred isn’t even officially IN the race yet, and he’s already so bereft of ideas that he has to resort to this? Republicans are well and truly politically bankrupt.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pmWow, it’s true. Fred Thompson IS lazy.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmSo how do all the 9/11 “Troofers” here at TP feel about Thompson linking you all to Harry Reid?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThe administration either lied about the war, or they are astoundingly incompetent, or both. There really isn’t another option.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pmAll the repubs will utilize the Rovian practice of putting out whatever they think their supporters want to hear and will confuse non-supporters regardless of the truthfulness. The repubs control the press in the country and any retraction or “correction” will be found on page 87 of the want ads, several weeks later.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pmBesides being lazy Fred Thompson is showing a real talent for recklessness. Maybe the two traits go together.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:07 pmBetter Fred than dead!!! Thompson 2008!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pmTP seems to have a problem with Thompsons’ criticism of Reids’ feeding the frenzy of the 9/11 “conspiracy wack” “fringe-freaks” who post here and elsewhere. Why? Al Jezeera appreciates the new material Reid provides. Harry Reid is simply whipping up the basest of the lib political base – Reid is a great gift to conservatives. Thanks Harry!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pmhere’s shaking my fringe at ya, Fred….
June 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pmNow this guy running for pres. worries me…My reason for thinking this is because he is so totaly reich winged and on the TV screen for all the old reganites to look up to..Never mind he is just an actor, that’s all it takes for the rovian nut bag’s to get behind him and steal another election..Another day in bull shit bush bizarro world….Blessings
June 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pmI agree PB.
And either way they shouldn’t be running things.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pmwhether it’s a conspiracy or not isn’t the point. The fact remains – American aggression and militarism over the last 5+ decades have encouraged and incited hatred and violence against the United States.
It’s policy that’s the problem, and it’s policy that needs to be changed.
Call that Blame America – I don’t care. It’s the truth.
We need to change course, now.
Some follow up reading:
“What Can We Do About Terrorism?”
June 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/what_can_we_do_about_terrorism
More catapulting the propaganda.
Wash, rinse, repeat until generally accepted as true.
Thompson is running as the sheeple candidate; yeah, just what we need.
UG.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pmBetter Fred than dead!!! Thompson 2008!!
Comment by Frank J
Princess Pee Pee Pants, spokesmodel for the piss-soaked trolls, has arrived!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:10 pmNo one in the Bush administration is smart enough to have had anything to do with 9/11.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pmSWBOB – Pssst….I think Reid took a play from Roves’ playbook in labelling Petraeus and Pace. OK, so Harry is a flip-flopper extraordinaire. He and the Speakette fed the rabid anti-war Left and betrayed them – but no ones perfect…..
June 19th, 2007 at 1:11 pmThompson seems like a badass, I might just vote fer ‘em.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:12 pmAfter reading the whole “Fred article” thru, it sounds like he’s hired himself some trolls.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:12 pmJeez, what a surprise – another old, rich, pampered, white guy running for president who shoots his mouth off with no idea what he’s talking about.
Next?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:12 pmComment by valiant venus
Your Stupid Pills are working well today, MA
June 19th, 2007 at 1:12 pmYou and FrankJ must have gotten some from the same batch.
Sharon you are right on. This guy has at least two huge strikes against him.
1. He’s a fellow at the AEI.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:13 pm2. Virulent Virus loves him.
With the losers and nutjobs the Republicans are attracting to the race, this next election is going to be interesting. Then the Democrats win and a new dawn comes to America…I can’t wait for the peace and prosperity to re-commence. After we fix the mess, that is.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:14 pmPity, I was starting to like the guy.
Anyone so delusional they still believe we had a real justified reason for going into Iraq wilL NEVER get a vote from me.
Anyone insulting people who know the truth deserve even less of a vote from me.
Democrat or republican. But I seriously hope there’s no democrats that delusional.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pmGeekfather sez:
Congratulations. That’s exactly what they want you to think.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pmTHOMPSON 08′
Kill The Terrorists!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pmProtect the Borders!
Punch the Hippies!
With a mug like that, Thompson will put horror into the cold hearts of Muslim Shiteaters ™
Plus, he was on T.V.!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pmMargaret – Wouldn’t a Thompson/Kucinich debate be enlightening? And entertaining?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:15 pmTakin’ a smoke break before the lunch hour rush at the Road Kill Kafe, vv?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:16 pmI gotta say the GOP presidential hopefuls look scarier and scarier the more one sees of them. Nearly dead, white males. Ron Paul doesn’t count as he’s really a Libertarian. But the rest are all waxworks from the Republican Nostalgia Museum. One keeps expecting to hear one say “The only good Islamist is a dead Islamist”.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:16 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
I see. You have a striking name, I would like to know more about it.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThis Thompson guy is the LAST person we need as the next president.
Might as well just install ourselves our very own dictator.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:17 pmDaily Fred Thompson Fact
The Qur’an says that if you touch pork you will be unclean and if you touch Fred Thompson you’ll be dead.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:17 pmKiki – While you’re waiting for the “peace and prosperity” to commence just remember that our enemy does not desire peace. That sad fact might throw a wrench in your “hopes and dreams”.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:17 pmHey, Venus, I’ve asked you before to reconcile the Official Story with the facts. You’ve continually begged the question. Since I’m not studying for the Bar this summer, I’ve spent some time reading the 9/11 Commission report.
I found this interesting:
9/11 Commission report:
Between 9:34 and 9:30, the Cleveland controller observed United 93 climbing to 40,700 feet and immediately moved several aircraft out its way.
At 9:32, a hijacker, probably Jarrah, made or attempted to make the following announcement to the passengers of Flight 93: “Ladies and Gentlemen: Here the captain, please sit down keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board. So, sit.†the flight data recorder (also recovered) indicates that Jarrah then instructed the plane’s autopilot to turn the aircraft around and head east.
The cockpit voice recorder data indicate that a woman, most likely a flight attendant, was being held captive in the cockpit. She struggled with one of the hijackers who killed or otherwise silenced her.
Shortly thereafter, the passengers and flight crew began a series of calls from GTE airphones and cellular phones. These calls between family, friends, and colleagues took place until the end of the flight and provided those on the ground with firsthand accounts. They enabled the passengers to gain critical information, including the news that two aircraft had slammed into the World Trade Center.
*****
In other words, according to the Official Story, Flight 93 was at 40,700 feet elevation when the cell phone calls were made.
The technology to make cell phone calls possible from 40,000′ did not exist in commercial aircraft in 2001.
The so-called cell phone calls from Flight 93 are a HOAX.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:17 pmAh the oldies but moldies!
9/11 = Iraq
Conspiracy theory = Crazy
Critics = Unpatriotic America Haters
Was this guy paying any attention in November? This stuff is pathetic and it doesn’t work anymore. The GOP is going to get slaughtered again in 08. They’re driving off a political cliff and fools like him and Romney and Fooliani are saying Full Speed Ahead!
It’s political suicide to continue to cast the 2/3 of Americans who disagree with you as America-hating pussies. The Republicons won’t be winning any more elections until they start to show some respect for opinions that differ from theirs.
Bring it on!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:18 pmMuslimshiteaters ™!
Wait, you sound familiar…
June 19th, 2007 at 1:18 pm19 Muslims = A Conspiracy Theory
US False Flag Op = A Conspiracy Theory
take your pick.
Of course, I believe (after reading the facts) that 9/11 was caused by the NeoCON element within the US gov’t, Pakistan and Israel.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:18 pmTHOMPSON 08′
Protect The Terrorists!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:19 pmPunch the Borders!
Kill the Hippies!
“Thompson seems like a badass”
you seem easily led.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
I see. You have a striking name, I would like to know more about it.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 19, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
This is just my title, as is “Princeps.”
My name is GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR OCTAVIANVS
But you can call me CAESAR for short.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pmThat guy has about as much of a chance of becoming president as do at winning the lottery.
BTW, I don’t buy lottery tickets.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pmGotta be tough on the trolls to see that a lazy hack tv actor is their best choice for Prez. (Oops, they had the same thing in Ronald RAYGUNZ, who is still getting all the kudos from the middle age white dudes at the deebaitz.
08 is gonna be FUNNNNNN
June 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pmVirus likes the idea of a Kucinich/Thompson debate eh? Hmmm.
I suppose it might be somewhat interesting. Thompson would parrot all of the neocon talking points and use the debate to smear his opponents and Kucinich would lay out the sanity of a plan for peace as opposed to all war all the time.
Probably be surreal.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmFed Thompson never touched pork he didn’t like.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmThompson needs to be dealt with because he lives up to the Republican Television idea of Presidential qualifications. The Republicans merely look for talking head to front for the corporate interests of the party. Bush played the roll of the good ole country boy while really being a spoiled rich child without brains, experience or common sense. Thompson played president and tough prosecutor. (He also fits that common man image – remember his rented pickup truck). As Matthews notes – he seems made for the role. Guilliani – has a high Q factor from being on TV as mayor of NY. (Of course New Yorkers hate him for his incompetence.) McConnell – same pretty boy. The Republicans are all about form without substance. They need to be ridiculed as such. They need to be called out for helping the terrorists do the one thing that no other force has been able to do – pin the US down in a protracted and unwinnable situation in Iraq where it has been able to drain the US Treasury Department, the US Military and destroy our public image. These fools are doing Al Quaeda’s bidding, not Democrats.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pm“Wait, you sound familiar…
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007″
this week, on a very special episode of ‘trolls reunited’…
June 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmWait, you sound familiar…
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
That’s right, CT.
I’m now the Emperor!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmQuite true, since the enemy is the Ruling Elite behind the American Government. War is an excellent method of controlling the civil population and suspending civil liberties.
The Ruling Class is pushing for a permanent repeal of the Estate Tax, ensuring their dynasties in perpetuity.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmRamboTroll reports:
1. I’m an at work 9am-10pm liberal. I don’t have time to realize that what I’m doing is clearly harmful to the security of the U.S. I have token-person campaigns to run, etc., etc., etc.
2. General Peter Pace is somebody who’s incompetent. Look! It’s a stray cat, that’s incompetent! Look, it’s a group of polished businessmen, they’re all incompetent! Look, it’s a pack of senior citizens, they’re incompetent! Want a bag of “incompetent” candy, kids! I’ll throw it around! Candy for all!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:23 pmHe gets my vote
June 19th, 2007 at 1:24 pmThis guy Thompson was a lobbist for 14 years. You know who he is for not the average person. I hope enough American can see that the Republicans are only for the Rich. We can not afford another Republican in the White House. We just have to take our Country back. We need to put impeachment back on the table soon before Old Bush and Cheney invades Iran.
I will never vote for any Republican.
The 9/11 was an inside job. Going into Iraq was plan way before Old Bush took office.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:24 pmI can just picture Thompson debating the naive, sweet Dennis Kucinich.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:24 pm“But Fred, I think our enemies will welcome a Department of Peace – afterall, they want to live in a safe environment and provide for their families….if they don’t encourage Ahmed, Jr. to take the easy way out and become a suicide bomber. The fact they want Israel and the US gone is just a little cultural misunderstanding. They want their daughters to be educated…..oh, I forgot….”
Thompson should be talking about his part in Watergate as he was a major player and knows how to cover up GOP criminal acts. Now as for 9/11 everyone knows the memo Connie spoke about as Bush went on vacation. The flights that allow the Bin Liden family to leave without being questioned. All the White House officials changed their flight plans on that day. More information has come out that the White House knew of the attack but used it to illegally invade Iraq for oil. Thompson should look at his part in the famous Watergate case as his criminal acts can come back to bit him in the butt. I hope he doesn’t give up his day job because he will need it.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:25 pmThompson has obviously not read a newspaper or a politically-oriented book for years; there is no other explanation for his profound ignorance. And the GOP (if polls are correct) eat ‘em up. You would think that 6 years of an ignorant, incurious, lazy “leader” would be enough for them.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:25 pmthis is the leading repugnant-can candidate and he has not even declared yet. if any R gets elected for anything, let us know.
if you recall, fred thompson was around during the nixon debacle. wonder why he delays his candidacy? he is waiting for impeachment so he is not associated with 43 before the bush stain spreads. he can come out after and gravely say, “those were bad, bad, guys but i’m different.” ha.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLOL happy to see Thompson appeals to the “I need a daddy figure” crowd. Sadly presidential candidates on the right and the left are seriously lacking well just about everything this year, and Thompson is no exception.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:25 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
I never thought you’d be capable of ascending this high, sir. The office of the President now means crap. We should ditch it for good.
The flag-rank of anti-Libetrolls you’ve reached.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:26 pmThe 9/11 was an inside job. Going into Iraq was plan way before Old Bush took office.
Comment by Mary Poplins — June 19, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
You’re jus’ sayin’ that cuz ol’ Harry tricked y’!!!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI never thought you’d be capable of ascending this high, sir. The office of the President now means crap. We should ditch it for good.
The flag-rank of anti-Libetrolls you’ve reached.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Not high enough, CT. One of these dayz I’ll be declared a God!!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pmBraid Faire – When you bought into the anti-US, Arab sponsored conspiracy theory and the “American Elites = Terrorists” collaboration theory, I wrote you off. Please don’t waste any more of your calories typing responses to me….
June 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pmComment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
God you’re stupid. Please, please, please don’t tell anyone you support my presidential run.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pmFred Thompson?? I can’t support these wacko Hollywood-types. They should stick to what they know: acting.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:30 pm“Not high enough, CT. One of these dayz I’ll be declared a God!!!!!”
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
That will require you to finish a master’s degree. No exceptions, even for the brightest of bulbs.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pmThompson has obviously not read a newspaper or a politically-oriented book for years; there is no other explanation for his profound ignorance. And the GOP (if polls are correct) eat ‘em up. You would think that 6 years of an ignorant, incurious, lazy “leader†would be enough for them.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — June 19, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
That’s their ideal. Curiosity and new information can change one’s view of the world. To a regressive, that’s bad. It threatens what they already know.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:31 pm#62-
It does make me wonder why Briseadh would waste time responding to a venomous serpent. Life is full of curiosities.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI guess this is the unofficial “I’m runnign for president” announcement. It’s the nly way to capture the base…move to the nutty side.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pmour enemy does not desire peace
And you advocate giving our enemies what they desire. How unPatriotic of you VV.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pm“One of these dayz I’ll be declared a God!!!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 19, 2007″
“in World of Warcraft” is the end of that sentence.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:32 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Well, I’m off to RNC HQ, I’ll see ya later CT.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:33 pmRoboTroll 3100 reports:
Fred Dalton Thompson has more experience playing the President than anyone else in the race.
Fred Dalton Thompson is a warm and reassuring daddy-figure. You can practically smell the English Leather from here.
Fred Dalton Thompson has driven a pickup truck. I think it was red. Therefore, he ’s a Regular Guyâ„¢.
Everyone who wants peace is a terrorist.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:35 pmIt is the will of the people that congress is to represent! 88% of the “PEOPLE†want congress to impeach Bush & Co. regardless of “who did 9-11! So, Fred Thompson is giving a speech about patriotism as though it was from the Saving Private Ryan script. These lackeys use misdirection time and again. The citizens have spoken and 88% of them surveyed want Bush & Co. OUT OF OFFICE NOW. 9-11 is a completely different animal! Fred Thompson will make a poor President since he intends for the people to fear the government. He wants to extend the Corporate Plutocracy since it allows him to attain wealth and power! These are all liars (actors) and lawyers (liars) spreading more FUD to create more rifts in the general population!
Hey hey ho ho this corrupt government has got to go!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:36 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
[Bowing]
June 19th, 2007 at 1:37 pmTroll talk: Oh, no, the government would never have pulled 9/11 out. You are such freaks!!! They care about people
Like the 3500 soldiers they sent to their deaths for nothing, right?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:38 pmvaliant venus sez:
Translation: I’m unable to argue the issue on a factual basis, so I’ll just fall back on my standard insult and dismiss modus operandi.
(snide non sequitur response from vv due in 3…2…1…)
June 19th, 2007 at 1:38 pm“He’s worse than a murderer, he’s an actor” – Robert Parks (the Clive Owen character) from the film Gosford ParK. Image 11 portly mid-aged white men running for the office of President in 2008 as a Republican. Add one more to the bunch and they could be a jury. When I think about it, it unsettles me. It’s all very scary, indeed. We are in need of a least a third, possible 4th vital political party to level the playing field to help keep politicians honest, their greed in check.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:38 pmyou don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that 9/11 was an inside job. you just have to know that 2 + 2 does not equal 6.
the official story is sketchy at best and a load of crap at worst. i’m sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:39 pm“Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
[Bowing]
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007″
you forgot a letter.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:39 pm#69 – Tweety – stick to the playground. You remind me of the kid who gets punched in the nose, knifed in the back and goes back for more – all because you want to make people like you and you hope they pay a little attention to you. For those people in the world who do not like the US and our allies but who demonstrate they wish to live in peace – I’m all for it! For those who want us dead and plot to kill us….I want them dead….(Was that simple enough for YOU to understand?)
June 19th, 2007 at 1:40 pmJune 19th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
[Bowing]
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Isn’t it cute when Mr. pResident plays with himself like that?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:41 pmI can see why Republican will follow Thompson. He can read and follow directions like a good little actor should. This will keep the Cheneys, Roves and Rumy’s in control. Plus he played something official on TV so the Republicans don’t need any more than that.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmComment by pgw — June 19, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
ROTFL! ^_^
Well done, pgw.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmC’mon, people! Let’s not get worked up about the 28%. Sure Thompson’s words are idiotic (to us,) but my guess is that he’s pinging the electorate to see what the response is. If it doesn’t work he’ll try something else. (see: Romney, Mitt; McCain, John; Guiliani, Dipshit)
June 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWell, it is true that the left-nut conspiracy theorists are big fans of Harry (”follow me to defeat!”) Reid. With Reid in your corner, credibility does get shot.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:44 pmRead Post #78–I rest my case. What a nut!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:45 pmI think I’m just going to skip that chapter on the Hunt for Red October DVD where Jack is on the aircraft carrier from now on.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:47 pmThat’s pretty good how Hollywood “Creature from the Black Lagoon” Fred Thompson gets to spew his right wing fringe extremist views using the Librul media because he is too lazy to announce his candidacy.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:47 pmNo, JT is not a scientist, people. Let him alone.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#60 Primvs inter pares
No, Old Harry did not trick me. I did alot of reseach on 9/11 and came to the conclusion that this was an inside job. Besides the real reason we went into Iraq was OIL and to make Old Bushies buddies richer.
There is nothing you can say that would change my mind so don’t waste your time.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmWonder how the trolls are dealing with all this confusing information: First they are to back McCain…no no wait, now it’s Mitt the Mormon Choir Boy…….Oops, now it’s RUDEEE. DAMN! Now they throw Freddy Flintsone at us, this is getting hard to swallow, I mean follow.
PULEEZE Daddy Rove, make this easier for me!!!! I get so confused!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:49 pmRead David Ray Griffin’s books and you’ll walk away with knowledge.
Open your mind at least 30%. Have an open minds. The layers of denial are so deep. People don’t want to believe that their own gov’t could actually KILL them to pursue a foreign policy (reckless) that they obviously profit by. Through the years I have gone through stages. It’s so hard to accept the incompetence theory. That would mean that the ENTIRE day took place because of incompetence. I also cannot subscribe to the Let it Happen On Purpose theory. That’s a cop-out.
I finally, in 2005, came to the belief that 9/11 was a sel-inflicted wound.
Have an open mind. And read David Ray Griffin’s books.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:50 pm#36
“The technology to make cell phone calls possible from 40,000′ did not exist in commercial aircraft in 2001.”
The GTE airfones on board the aircraft don’t work the same way a regular cell phone works. This is why you aren’t allowed to use a cell phone in flight. The GTE airfones uses an internal highpower transmitter on the plane. Of course the GTE Airfones work at cruising altitude. BTW cell phone calls were possible in 2001. I know because I have sent text messages while flying even before 2001.
“The so-called cell phone calls from Flight 93 are a HOAX.”
So all of those family members of the those victims are lying?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:50 pm#39
“(after reading the facts)”
They weren’t THE facts.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmKay, governments kill their own people everyday. Ask anyone outside the US who made 9/11 and most of them will tell you that the US did it. Come on, Napalm over civilians is not a very good defense regarding caring about people, right?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pm“Well done, pgw.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 19, 2007″
thanks. i’m beginning to get a clearer picture as to why those two are in their 20s but not in the military.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI really think it’s about having an open mind. And gathering the facts. So many events of the day do not add up. Why was on the passports of the “terrorists” clearly found in the rubble of the Trade Towers? Why was there a military standown? Why did the buildings fall at free-fall speed? Why were there put options on the airlines the day before the attacks? I could go on and on.
I am glad I am aware and awake. It took me 4 years. Like I said. I went through stages. But, I am glad I arrived where I did.
Didn’t we learn anything from Operation Northwoods? Didn’t we learn anything from The Gulf of Tonkin?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:59 pmJust like the song says:
‘When your Pres-i-dent’s an actor . . . somethinn’s wronng’.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:59 pmIt is the will of the people that congress is to represent! 88% of the “PEOPLE†want congress to impeach Bush & Co. regardless of “who did 9-11! So, Fred Thompson is giving a speech about patriotism as though it was from the Saving Private Ryan script. These lackeys use misdirection time and again. The citizens have spoken and 88% of them surveyed want Bush & Co. OUT OF OFFICE NOW. 9-11 is a completely different animal! Fred Thompson will make a poor President since he intends for the people to fear the government. He wants to extend the Corporate Plutocracy since it allows him to attain wealth and power! These are all liars (actors) and lawyers (liars) spreading more FUD to create more rifts in the general population!
Hey hey ho ho this corrupt government has got to go! Hey hey ho ho this corrupt government has got to go! Hey hey ho ho this corrupt government has got to go!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmWas Ron Paul Behind 9/11?
I notice some Ron Paul supporters think the reason we make fun of Ron Paul is because we’re threatened of his extreme political relevance. Of course, I tease chimps at the zoo, but that doesn’t mean I’m contemplating voting for them.
Then again, I am threatened by the possibility of monkeys doing some sort of political takeover… while I don’t fear any such thing with Ron Paul.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by pgw
I’ve already got a clear picture as to why liberals hate the all-volunteer military that’s in place, yet support the policy of a draft to make an even bigger military for them hate.
Liberals hate the military, and your one them. Please, explain to me why someone should have to answer to you – whether on count of physical condition, academic or career pursuance, etc. – when you hate the military so much? At any rate, liberals don’t appreciate a good defense, so you don’t have much credibility to rant. This is an all volunteer military, nobody’s forcing anybody to sign-up, neither should they. If I received my draft ticket and dodged, then maybe you could complain. Even if I could get out there and serve my country, you’d still be complaining like your fellow yawping pack of Dumpcrats.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmKay – the facts you “cite” are not facts but suppositions and circumstantial evidence. The theory of why such towers fell was well explained on the “History” channel by architects and engineers. (The History Channel is great for people like me who are NOT architects and engineers.) The truth is…your mind is OPEN to believing the worst about the US and this administration. Go back to theory of the dancing Israelis – where did that come from?
But good news.…AlJezeera is renewing your subscription with the special “tool” discount – beginning next month, you will only be charged 50%!!
Toooodles………..
June 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmHey Lefties,
Here’s a movie making fun of your Homies!
http://www.nationallampoon.com/index.php/72-virgins
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmThompson is like your crazy right wing uncle who hates gubmint and loves pork rinds…but man does he smell good (from what I’ve heard from Chris Matthews!)
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmJuan C,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pmThe US had to do 9/11. Islam is a peaceful religion.
They never commited genocide against anyone.
Lokk at how Muslims live in peace with their neighbors in India, Bosnia, Kossovo, Russia, Thailand, Israel and The Phillipines!
VV :
and all the Architects and Engineers are major contributors to the Bush Killing Machine.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pmKay,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmMuslims are peace lovoing people correct?
They never could’ve done 9/11!
it’s OK, Freddie–just keep your head up right where it is…..you are a shoe-in to inherit Bush’s lousy 28%.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmI love the Architects and Engineers from History Channel. Like the “scientists” that deny Climate Change.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:15 pmMr. Roboto:
Yes. Yes. No. I could say the same thing about US or US supported governments.
Thanks for the quiz.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pmSteel doesn’t melt!…Rosie O’Donnell.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmComment by Frank J
Imagine if Rosie actually hosted ‘The Price is Right.’
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pmMuslims are peace lovoing people correct?
They never could’ve done 9/11!
It’s amazing how much the Muslims have profited by 9/11. You have to look at the motive : The Military and the War Profiteers were set to make a lot of money off of 9/11 (just like Ghouliani is now)
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pm#107 – “….and all the Architects and Engineers are major contributors to the Bush Killing Machine.” Comment by Kay
Thank you, Kay!! I knew people who actually design and construct skyscrapers would confuse YOU!! I appreciate your stupidly sweeping statements (note the alliteration!) but, please, do the US a favour….PLEASE KEEP posting your “educated” guesses LOUDLY!!!
FYI - I know this next statement will confuse you – - BUT the majority of architects consider themselves of the enlightened liberal persuasion….kind of like the majority of college professors. Pssst….they aren’t a big contributors to the “Bush Killing Machine”
JOKER – Loved the movie trailer….Hopefully the “tools” (who live to collaborate with our enemy) will get it!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pmLOLOL!!
You know damn well I meant the ones from the History Channel.
When are you enlisting to go to Iraq?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pmJuan C Liberals know that climate changes are caused by Liberals driving Big Gas Guzzling SUV’s . Normal People know that over time Climates change . at one time Greenland was GREEN , togay it is not . Try to understand nothing remains the same Juan , even you one day will grow up and become a Conservative . )
June 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pmJuan – The architects interviewed on the WTC were from the firm that designed the towers. The skin of the building and the perimeter support system were the focus of the piece.
FYI – I don’t deny climate change (they’re called CYCLES) – I deny there’s any way to stop it – that’s all…..But since Progs lives would have little or no meaning without trying to save the earth, you go right ahead….
Tooodles…….
June 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pmKay when are you enlisting to join the Taliban?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pmKay, you know that valiant venus (MA) would be a quick victim of friendly fire. Let the digibitch pontificate here instead of putting the real warriors in harms way. One day with this walking shitbag would be enough for an “Incident” to occur. I don’t want this crackpot be the reason a good Amercian soldier decides the best thing for his/her platoon is for Venus to leave us.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pm“You know damn well I meant the ones from the History Channel.”
Comment by Kay
*****Reallllly? I don’t mind read, believe in astology, or throw runes…..I would know what you mean …..because….
Have you always had such an assumptive problem??
June 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmJuan C,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmAs a fellow Leftist I respect your opinion greatly.
So we agree Isalm is peaceful and never has commited wars of conquest and agression?
Braid Faire – When you bought into the anti-US, Arab sponsored conspiracy theory and the “American Elites = Terrorists†collaboration theory, I wrote you off. Please don’t waste any more of your calories typing responses to me….
Comment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Again, I ask, is this you, and did you help someone commit an act of academic dishonesty?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
June 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmJuan,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWhy do Leftist support Muslims?
Valiant Venus you must be 4″11 with a 4 inch dick.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmvaliant venus,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmThe US did 9/11.
Muslims are peaceful and get along with their neighbors.
Juan is a genious.
How dare you question him.
Bush lied and People died!
fred thompson has terminal non-hodgkins lymphoma. he’s not being honest about how serious his cancer really is.
fred thompson is a lobbyist with no foreign policy experience.
fred thompson thinks calvin coolidge’s fiscal policies were wise.
fred thompson wants to kiss margaret thatcher’s ring. since when do american candidates go to england to get a blessing? the man wants to be reagan and he’s stroking maggie thatcher’s ego. talk about a pre-9/11 mentality.
maybe he can ask nancy if he can borrow the gipper’s hair.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:32 pmComment by Tracy — June 19, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Tracy, read the 9/11 Commission Report segment I posted above. The Commission said “the passengers and flight crew began a series of calls from GTE airphones and cellular phones.”
Calls from cell phones from a commercial airliner flying at over 40,000 feet in elevation were IMPOSSIBLE. Since the calls were IMPOSSIBLE, the only other conclusion is that they were a HOAX.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmHow come the smartest woman in the world leads an unannounced actor by only 5%?
Survey of 800 Likely Voters
June 11-12, 2007
Fred Thompson (R) vs.
Hillary Clinton (D)
Fred Thompson (R)
43%
Hillary Clinton (D)
48%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com
June 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“Liberals hate the military, and your [sic] one them. Please, explain to me why someone should have to answer to you – whether on count of physical condition, academic or career pursuance, etc. – when you hate the military so much?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007″
if i hated the military, i’d support the bush administration and their consistently stupid foreign policy choices. as such, i do not; but far be it from me to tell you how to interpret a ‘world of warcraft’ joke. guess i touched a nerve. you post comments defending this administration, their foreign policy, and the ’stay the course/iraq 4ever’ doctrine, and that is why i think it would be great if you actually walked the walk.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmKay – Thank you for demonstrating the inability of facts to get in the way of Progressive “Argument” – - you’re not a product of the public school system are you??
Joker – Leftists support Muslims (the only religion they DO tolerate!) because they despise Judeo-Christian philosophy and they hate America….
Should radical Koranimals actually re-institute the Caliphate….they’ll “reason” with them……
June 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmKay,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pmDon’t bother with Valiant the neocon.
Muslims ahve never launched wars of aggression against non Muslims.
It’s a peaceful religion.,
Hence they couldn’t do 9/11!
I respect you and Juan’s words pof wisdom!
PULEEZE Daddy Rove, make this easier for me!!!! I get so confused!!
Comment by upside00
Well, I think we’ll just have to suspend the elections until the war is over, for national security reasons. Changing presidents during wartime gives aid and comfort to the enemy.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThe Constitution is just a piece of paper.
Go about your business.
Briseadh na Faire,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmExactly is was impossible in 2001.
Plus Muslims are peaceful.
I’m with you.
Keep posting facts!
valiant venus sez:
…because the implication was clear from context…at least it would be clear enough to someone who wasn’t wasting everyone else’s time being deliberately obtuse…
(Still waiting for that snide non sequitur response…perhaps this post will be the trigger…)
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pm#117 – Juan C Liberals know that climate changes are caused by Liberals driving Big Gas Guzzling SUV’s . Normal People know that over time Climates change . at one time Greenland was GREEN , togay it is not . hairy truman
Awww, Hairy, Greenland was never green, it was only named that so more settlers would come. See the following: “The name “Greenland” comes from Scandinavian settlers. In the Icelandic sagas, it is said that Erik the Red was exiled from Iceland for murder. He, along with his extended family and thralls, set out in ships to find the land that was rumoured to be to the northwest. After settling there, he named the land Grønland (”Greenland”), possibly in order to attract more people to settle there.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#History
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmValiant,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmYou notice Leftists never metion the Jiahd of the 7th century that killed 20 Million Greeks and Romans?
Strange!
Tripe Monkey – Quit looking for “validation”…..
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmJoker – It’s funny to watch Progs slam conservatives for being “regressive” and defend extremist Koranimals…..LOL
June 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmValiant,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmYou’re being destroyed by our Leftist/Islamic facts.
Your losing.
Leave you troll!
Islam and the Left will triumph!
#133 Daddy Rove -
Ohhhh Thank you thank you thank you!! Without having those elections during “war time” will be sooo much easier! And while you are at it, make sure to take away ALL of my constitutional rights too. They can be so difficult to understand for us 28%ers, and we never used them anyway.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmFreddy Tommygun can call Reid all the names he wants. He’s a vacant suit with a for rent by highest donor clearly tattooed on his ass.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmComment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
And there it is…couldn’t help yourself, could you, vv?
BTW, why would you put the word “validation” in quotes? Is that supposed to be some sort of euphemism?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmValiant,
Yes the ACLU which is anti-Christian is supporting the Moon Worshippers installing foot cleaning stools in Michigan with tax payer’s money.
I thought the Left belives in seperation of Church and State!
They love Islam and will defend it to the end.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmThe Left’s achille’s heel is their support of Islam.
I wish more on the right would notice that!
Listen up, ThnkProgress and CAP:
9-11 Was An Inside Job, and there’s only massive amounts of evidence to support this conclusion, and hundreds of professionals to support this evidence. Have a look at pilotsfor911truth.org, (professional pilots) and ae911truth.org (architects and engineers) and stj911.org (scholars and academics). You know, all those professionals and experts people claim have never questioned 9-11.
Stop referring to the controversy and start l;ooking at it. Millions and millions of Americans are way ahead of you, but they need your support and voice.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmComment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
How about addressing the questions in #123? After all, others have said that is you. And it would be nice to know if we are, in fact, dealing with a poster who has aided and abetted academic dishonesty.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmSupport of Islam on the left? What do you call the blind obedience of the Bush administration to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmThe Joker the fact is that Liberals are by nature not capable of accepting reality . they know nothing of recent History , let alone History from the 7th Century .
June 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmupside, your prayers are answered! I’m working on getting rid of the Bill of Rights, etc, as we speak.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmAll that will be left is the Right to Bear Arms. What’s more superficially American than that?
People, we’re in a war. Sometimes you have to give up certain rights in order to win. And America is not a loser. Except under Clinton.
What rights will you have if we lose the War? Huh? What rights?
And, in summation, 9/11.
hellinabucket,
“What do you call the blind obedience of the Bush administration to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?”
I agree with you. It disgusts me. I’m not a Bush fan!
He’s a Saudi hack!
Hey How about the Left’s blind love for Iran and Syria?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmCare to answer?
hellinabucket they like the Clintons and Jimmy Carter are making sure that there is Gas for you Mommy’s SUV .Gosh you are STUPID
June 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pm“Yes the ACLU which is anti-Christian”
huh, so that’s why they helped oliver north.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmwow. today’s trolls are absolute morons.
fear is a wonderful motivator. whether it was planned or it was allowed to happen, this administration is still complicit.
one problem i have: how come both condi and george said “we could have never imagined” terrorists flying airplanes into buildings in september 2001, but in july 2001 bush had to stay on a boat at the g8 summit in genoa specifically because they were warned that a terrorist might try to fly a plane into a building?
the problem with you trolls is – you believe these people. our government have lied to us before, and they’ll lie to us again. all they need you to do is believe them.
and be afraid.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmDaddy Rove You are wasting your time you cannot present facts to Children and expect them to comprehend on an Adult Level.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmBriseadh na Faire sez:
Don’t count on a response, BnF. vv isn’t comfortable discussing issues on a factual basis. Tawdry, childish invective is her sole medium.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pmHarry, you’re hilarious
June 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pmlonesomerobot well then why don’t you throw your support behing Hillary Clinton , with your help it is Hopeful that she will be elected and then surpass her Husbands Record of & terrorist attacks in 8 years . would that not be Grand !!!! Democrats 08 Hard on Bush Soft on Terror.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:58 pmoops thats 7 terrorist attacks in 8 years .
June 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmDaddy Rove,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:00 pmIslam is a peacful religion correct?
They have never commited genocide!
“if i hated the military, i’d support the bush administration and their consistently stupid foreign policy choices. as such, i do not; but far be it from me to tell you how to interpret a ‘world of warcraft’ joke. guess i touched a nerve. you post comments defending this administration, their foreign policy, and the ’stay the course/iraq 4ever’ doctrine, and that is why i think it would be great if you actually walked the walk.”
Actually, it would be great if you’d quit pushing your definition of “supporting the military” on others. It makes me icky, since it’s not possible for Liberals to love the military. You do hate the military and you hate the President while doing it. Those who support the policy are walking the talk, and they’re doing so without a draft.
Nobody should defend ungrateful liberals from terror, for one. They should go home-sweet-home to Al-Qaeda. I think you’re not at liberty to advise who should enlist and who shouldn’t. I know I love this country more than you ever will.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmHere they are
1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
2001
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmSince more than one individual participated in planning the 9/11 attacks, these crimes were, by definition, a conspiracy.
Who, then, are the conspiracy “theorists”?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmIran and Syria now? Are you getting your facts from the same place Thompson does?
Harry notaTruman came back. Please enlighten us all with those facts others seem to miss.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThompson is really a sleeper agent for Osama Bin Laden himself. His mission is to make sure the US continues to function as a recruting agent for Al Qaeda in Iraq for a long time.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI liked Bill Clintons Grand Texas Military Campaign when he sent the Army’s Elite Delta Force to Waco to Kill Christians at the Branch Davidian Compound . Now He was a Real Peace at Any Cost Liberal Leader
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmSeriously? Islam is a peaceful religion as much as Christianity is, if yiou consider each religion’s history.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmBuddhism has everyone beat, though.
Which is why we must invade India and China and kill all Buddhists! Because if they haven’t been violent in the past, then just think of what they must be planning!
It’s time for a pre-emptive strike. We must defend our country from the murderous Buddhists!
Sheesh…there’s no point rebutting the trolls today…their idiotic posts refute themselves far more eloquently.
There must be extra STUPID in the water over at Troll HQ today.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmHarry if you start counting terrorist attacks, per year, I think Bush has Clinton beat, didn’t the State Department, despite a fuzzy numbers sort of deal, say that terrorists attacks worldwide were up 500% or some such crazy figure. It would make the number of attacks under you dear decider bush to be about 50 per year or so
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmTripMaster Monkey why don’t you go jack off and throw poop like the rest of the monkeys ? you are useless and your Parents are getting tired of feeding you . get a job son
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmharry
i find it hilarious that some of you will scream bloody murder when bush is accused of doing nothing in eight months before 9/11…
…all the while suggesting clinton was responsible for the 1993 wtc bombing, when he had been in office all of 35 days.
…and suggesting the cole bombing investigation was also supposed to be wrapped up in a nice package by january 2001, four months after it happened. because clearly bush didn’t do anything about it.
so maybe i missed it – sometime in the last six years, bush MUST have caught bin laden.
right?
how long did it take for bush to authorize an investigation into 9/11? what’s that you say? ONLY 411 DAYS?!?
wow! that’s ONLY more than a year after the event. and it was ONLY the largest single attack on american soil.
yep, that bush is sure serious about terrorism!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmKrazny okay Brainiac , name all the attacks on the U.S. since 911 . give it to me stupid , I am waiting . you people are so good at spouting Bullshit , and never are able to back it up .
June 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pm“Actually, it would be great if you’d quit pushing your definition of “supporting the military†on others. It makes me icky, since it’s not possible for Liberals to love the military.”
contradicting yourself in 2 short sentences; that’s impressive.
“I know I love this country more than you ever will.”
since you seem at home with stereotypes, i’ll speak your language: even if you’re not using your vast experience with first-person shooter games as a measuring stick, that proclamation is both amusing and downright creepy.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmHarry Truman sez:
Case in point. Another self-rebutting post from one of our resident simpletons.
Thanks, HT…you really do make it too easy. I’m sure all your troll buddies thank you as well.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmTrip, criticizing conservatives in a time of War emboldens the enemy. Are you sure that’s something you want to do?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pmWouldn’t the country be better off by agreeing with them?
Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice told the 9/11 Commission that when the Bush administration took office on January 20, 2001, “We knew that there was speculation that the 2000 Cole attack was al Qaeda… We received, I think, on January 25th the same assessment [of al-Qaeda responsibility]. It was preliminary. It was not clear.”
you trolls are fools.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pmlonesomerobot you talk about bush and 8 months , while you say nothing about Bill Clinton and the nothing he did for 8 long years , oh wait he sent in the FBI . Try again STUPID
June 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pmpgw sez:
Impressive, but I’ve seen Compy contradict himself in the space of a single sentence. For him to contradict himself in 2 sentences is just plain lazy. ^_^
June 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmI’m kind of hoping to see Thompson get the nomination. Because, all this bullshit he’s slinging now is going to get jammed so far down his lying motherf*cking throat it’ll start coming out the other end again.
This is the GOP’s great white hope? My god are they screwed.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmHairless notaTruman couldn’t answer a question. It’s fear that drives this hapless troll along. Critical thinking would go against everything he’s been taught and that would make his handlers very disappointed. Luckily, he’s just another fart in the wind and there is a storm on the horizon that will bring some needed fresh air after washing away the oil slick GW and gang has left.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmCall me Turdblossom!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmDaddy Rove sez:
Well, DR, here’s a quote from a well-known historical figure who seemed to think differently:
Can you name the author of that quote, DR?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmI guess Clinton didn’t want to run up the deficit, overextend the military, and alienate all of our allies. Good thing Georgie boy was around to do all of that. Besides HT, the one time Clinton did use troops he was attacked by the republican congress, and the future boy king for trying to wag the dog as it were.
I will have to research the terrorist attack question, I am curious about the answer myself.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pm155, yes, but it appears the quickest way to get her to leave!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“Can you name the author of that quote, DR?”
Some guy? In your face, Trip!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmAnother out of touch Republican, whoopie.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmBriseadh na Faire sez:
Sure and I’ll not dispute you that, BnF. Facts drive vv off faster than crucifixes do vampires. ^_^
June 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmDaddy Rove sez:
Wow…that has to be the fastest self-destruction of a troll I’ve seen here…I think you just topped Compy’s record, DR.
I accept your capitulation.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pm#165 Harry Truman
I liked Bill Clintons Grand Texas Military Campaign when he sent the Army’s Elite Delta Force to Waco to Kill Christians at the Branch Davidian Compound . Now He was a Real Peace at Any Cost Liberal Leader
Yeah, shame on Bill for pestering those poor child-molesting bible-thumpers. Can’t a foaming-at-the-mouth, self-proclaimed messiah stockpile a ton of weapons without the government sticking its big nose where it doesn’t belong? Huh?
Ya see, that’s where right-wingers tip off the rest of the country as to just how jacked their brains are. You start defending David Koresh and you’re not going to see a whole bunch of red-blooded Americans nodding their heads in agreement.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThe very idea of a “liberal” party, or any party that doesn’t fully support The War, gives the terrorists a wedge issue, being able to show that America is divided in her support. Therefore, I am pushing for an executive order to temporarily encamp all those who oppose the war, but only for the duration. There is some nice land out west where some charming Japanese families made their home once.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI accept your capitulation.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
You’re welcome.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pmPlease explain this:
And how about explaining that:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/108.html
June 19th, 2007 at 3:33 pmComment by pgw
There is no contradiction. Thank you for your academic speak, it makes it simpler for me to identify you as a loon.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmAnother Republican freak running for the commander guy position.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pmM. Moore and Amy Thompson confronted about 9/11:
June 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmhttp://www.911blogger.com/node/9427
No matter how people feel about 9/11 it still was an extremely useful event for the PNAC agenda.
stay at home and type away the terrorism, why don’t you, truman?
SIX years after the fact, bin laden is still free. for eight months before the fact, bush did nothing.
bush’s atrocious record speaks for itself. that you are here defending it makes you look like a colossal fool.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:42 pm#160 – Comptoller – Of course liberals HATE the military. But I will give libs credit, they did learn ONE thing from Viet Nam. Calling returning soldiers and Marines “baby killers” and spitting on them did not go over well with most of the American public. So they have re-branded their disgust of the military with phony concern and anguish. They want those who volunteer to defend our country and fight her wars to engage in little more than training exercises….period! And don’t think of training anywhere near an endangered species!
The main reason the majority of liberals hate the military is the loathing they have for national defense and sovereignty. “One-worldism” is their goal – make no mistake. This is a group that worships the mediocre.
’til later…….
June 19th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
I don’t believe anyone should be inclined to explain anything to you, so there’s not a “record” of any sort. You won’t accept the premise no matter how true, regardless. You won’t even accept the premise that you’re so far to the left, you think even TP is conspiring to delete your posts.
I look forward to seeing you squeel as the continuing conservative reign wipes the mat with your nutty ideology.
Grammar lessons, civvie?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pm“I’m kind of hoping to see Thompson get the nomination. Because, all this bullshit he’s slinging now is going to get jammed so far down his lying motherf*cking throat it’ll start coming out the other end again.
This is the GOP’s great white hope? My god are they screwed.”
Comment by chimpeach
Chimpy – WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!! We’ll let your side nominate Fred T. for us and we’ll nominate Dennis Kucinich for your side….Let the debate begin!!!!
Tooodles….
June 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pm“There is no contradiction.”
sure there is. pretending i’m forcing some definition on you, and then screaming about how a liberal is someone who ‘hates the troops.’
June 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmit’s kinda like posting “I don’t even know much about Griles”, strangely enough, on the griles thread.
Comment by valiant venus
Liberals are the children of denial. The liberals before the Boomer era had something practical under their sleeves, but today’s liberals are constantly reinventing themselves for all of the wrong reasons.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:50 pm#198 VV
Chimpy – WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!! We’ll let your side nominate Fred T. for us and we’ll nominate Dennis Kucinich for your side….Let the debate begin!!!!
The difference is that your side probably will go for Thompson. Kucinich is going nowhere and it doesn’t really matter to me.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmComment by pgw
That’s right, I didnt’ know much about Griles. Exactly, what big deal is there to make about that? Really. Loony links, I see.
Your claim was that if I supported a certain administration’s policy, then I don’t support the troops. It’s pushy ideology all on it’s own, so come to grips.
You can run along, old man. You have nothing meaningful to teach this youngin’.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:53 pm“The liberals before the Boomer era had something practical under their sleeves,”
‘at least that’s what i heard some grown-ups say’
June 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pmThe main reason the majority of liberals hate the military is the loathing they have for national defense and sovereignty. “One-worldism†is their goal – make no mistake. This is a group that worships the mediocre.
’til later…….
Comment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
The main reason the majority of conservatives and their Master-in-Chief hate America and its Constitution is the loathing they have for justice, peace and freedom: “One-Middle-Fingerism” to the rest of the World is their goal- make no mistake. This is a group that worships the lowest of scum.
’til later……
June 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmKucinich would wipe the floor with Thompson.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmComp- Ever meet a more depressed group of people than Liberals? Liberals HAVE to keep reinventing themselves because of the self-loathing nature of their philosophy…..Their collective guilt would force the hand – They’d commit mass suicide if they didn’t re-invent themselves…
June 19th, 2007 at 3:58 pmComment by pgw
Yeah, the liberals in your generation are an embarrassment. Go learn the real history about an effective, reasonable democrat. All of you have disgraced that starting with Vietnam, through the 80’s. It’s a pure fact. Examine the timeline.
And you know what? It may only get worse with the liberals in my generation.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmComp- Ever meet a more depressed group of people than Liberals? Liberals HAVE to keep reinventing themselves because of the self-loathing nature of their philosophy…..Their collective guilt would force the hand – They’d commit mass suicide if they didn’t re-invent themselves…
Comment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Ever meet a more depressing group of people than conservatives? Conservatives HAVE to keep lying and hide themselves because of the loathing nature of their philosophy…..Their collective guilt would force the hand – They’d commit more mass murdering if they didn’t have liberals seeking the truth and re-invent themselves…
Comment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
June 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmIt is still unbelievable that so called leaders need to blame someone else when their leadership is called into question.
Does the buck ever stop at the “defective” performance.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
Well, now, isn’t that terribly convenient. You must be taking lessons on how to duck arguments from vv.
Now I know you’re taking lessons from vv.
The people that frequent this site don’t accept things on blind faith like your ilk, Compy. If you want someone here to accept your moronic premises, you’ll have to provide sound arguments in support of them. Don’t whine to me if you can’t accomplish this.
It’s got nothing to do with “how far left” I am…there’s several trigger phrases that will cause a post to be reviewed and deleted. Although things have loosened up considerably since Judd’s departure, it’s not unreasonable to assume that posts are still being subjected to this sort of censorship, given the evidence.
It’s funny how you deride TP for having an agenda, and yet baldly deny that they could act on said agenda. But that’s neither here or there.
Um…sure…OK. First of all, I believe the word you’re groping for is “squeal”.
As always, you’re welcome.
Second, “civvie”. When did you enlist?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmComp and Valiant sitting in a tree….
K-I-S-S-I-N-G…
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmComment by valiant venus
Because there’s turmoil in some isolated section of the world, they somehow extrapolate that into the usual “world is crumbling” speak. I also get the feeling that all these other issues they suddenly care about so deeply – global warming, human rights, poverty – are a care for them only during a time of war. And when they do care, its foreign countries only with some talk sprinkled on the USA side. Many democratic areas in this country don’t exactly have low poverty rates, for one.
All talk, no action. My town, on the other hand, is quite the right-wing area. Guess what? Poverty is low.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pm“It’s a pure fact.”
that’s the new comedy gold.
“And you know what? It may only get worse with the liberals in my generation.”
if they’re going up against the likes of you, i think i like their chances.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmHey Valiant Vaginas,
Still avoiding the truth?
Can’t answer a simple question or two?
Did America surrender in Vietnam?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
Sorry, civvie. That’s not divulged to a dirty dem.
“It’s funny how you deride TP for having an agenda, and yet baldly deny that they could act on said agenda. But that’s neither here or there.”
Prove it. They don’t delete my posts. This is a different topic here, there are server problems.
“The people that frequent this site don’t accept things on blind faith like your ilk, Compy. If you want someone here to accept your moronic premises, you’ll have to provide sound arguments in support of them. Don’t whine to me if you can’t accomplish this.”
I would, but you only accept links to far-left blogs, and the like. I will need you to prove they’re “moronic.” Provide all links and supporting evidence.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWhen people in Angola (in Africa) were the target of a secret CIA war and CIA backed dictator, they knew bits of pieces of it.
They were so paranoid that they believed the CIA was behind every bad incident, including the AIDS epidemic.
People in the Middle East are at this state of fear and paranoia because of the US occupation and the confirmed CIA secret war going on in the region, especially in Iran.
The Iraqis blame the US and CIA for the February 2006 Samarra bombing and also the most recent ones.
Angered and disillusioned Muslims around the world believe that the US and CIA are actively trying to coax them in civil war to divide and conquer the Middle East.
To be fair, albeit (outside) of the CIA allegedly being behind the AIDS epidemic, all of this is true and has been confirmed.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmOf course liberals HATE the military.
–unvalient venus
As a veteran, with several combat deployments, and a liberal independant.
I am gonna call you a sorry, lying b*tch for that one.
Your hero Bush is the one that is screwing over our soldiers, wounded and veterans
Sorry, lying B*tch.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pmComment by valiant venus
Liberals are the children of denial. The liberals before the Boomer era had something practical under their sleeves, but today’s liberals are constantly reinventing themselves for all of the wrong reasons.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007
What is this all about? Is this someone doing “precision talking”? Can someone prove that “Liberals are not the children of denial”? Would anyone want to?
What is the point of either making the statement or proving the statement?
Is someone just trying to fill a void? Establish a presence? Is someone trying to hide the horrible performance of the Bush team?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pmBecause there’s turmoil in some isolated section of the world, republican conservatives somehow extrapolate that into the usual “ let’s bomb them for oil†speak. I also get the feeling that all these other issues they suddenly care about so deeply – abortion, gay rights, terrorism – are a care for them only during a time of war. And when they do care, its USA only with some talk sprinkled on the foreign policy side. Many conservative areas in this country don’t exactly have poverty rates at all.
All talk, no action.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pmMy town, on the other hand, is quite the left-wing area.
Guess what? Poverty is very high!
Liberals HAVE to keep reinventing themselves because of the self-loathing nature of their philosophy…..Their collective guilt would force the hand – They’d commit mass suicide if they didn’t re-invent themselves…
Comment by valiant venus
Im sure you wont give any lecture at universities anytime soon.
My town, on the other hand, is quite the right-wing area. Guess what? Poverty is low.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1
Yes! It is ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE HOUR!!!
Comment by pgw
“if they’re going up against the likes of you, i think i like their chances.”
Sorry, didn’t mean it in terms of power, only looniness. Liberals can’t enjoy a lasting win these days, and that’s not about to improve. Conservative in the long run will only get better, stronger. The conservatives in my generation have it down.
“that’s the new comedy gold. ”
I don’t think that’s up to you, old man. I’m not supposed to be fazed, regardless.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmComment by Juan C
Really? I think I have two eyes. I live here, foreigner.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmComment by bezelt
You’re entitled to your opinion, that’s about it.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pm[system hybernation going into effect]
June 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pmReally? I think I have two eyes. I live here, foreigner.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Yet the most uninformed, misled citizens in the world are US citizens. Wonder why?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#196 vv
Of course liberals HATE the military. But I will give libs credit, they did learn ONE thing from Viet Nam. Calling returning soldiers and Marines “baby killers†and spitting on them did not go over well with most of the American public. So they have re-branded their disgust of the military with phony concern and anguish. They want those who volunteer to defend our country and fight her wars to engage in little more than training exercises….period! And don’t think of training anywhere near an endangered species!
That was very creative. You managed to keep it relatively far from anything resembling real life, too.
“liberals HATE the military” – Really? When you say “military” are you talking about military personnel, the Defense Department, people who make decisions for the military at the very top, or war profiteers who get rich off of taxpayers money by selling the government a lot of things it doesn’t need at prices that are way too high? If you’re talking about just military personnel–you know, the ones who get short-changed by the Bushies when it comes to armor, healthcare, veterans benefits, etc.–you’re way off on that. Liberals aren’t the ones who send them to die at the drop of a hat over a bunch of made-up justifications for invading another country. That’s your team. It’s the righties, especially the ones who always thought that service to one’s country was for chumps. You know: chickenhawks. It’s those cowards in the White House now who are the first ones to volunteer other people’s kids to go die in Iraq. And, if those soldiers they send over are lucky enough to survive their first deployment, it’s the chickenhawks again who will keep sending them back time after time, short on equipment, short on training, and utterly lacking in planning and purpose.
Since your use of the word “liberal” seems to encompass everyone who isn’t part of the braindead 28% who still think Bush is a “real smart guy and honest, too,” I guess I can speak in general terms about liberals, as well. Liberals don’t hate military personnel. They don’t hate their families. They don’t hate it when our soldiers are engaged in actions that really and truly involve the defense of our country. They appreciate it. They may regret that it’s necessary, but when it is, they back the troops 100%.
They just don’t back the lying scumbags who use those troops with as much forethought and concern as most people use toilet paper.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmCompTROLLER sez:
First of all, I’m a dirty Independent, thank you.
Second, you don’t need to “divulge” that now, as you already have in the past, coward.
There’s more to your post, but, sadly, it doesn’t merit a reply.
I’ll be back tomorrow to see if you’ve improved at all. In the meantime, feel free to post all you like, secure in the knowledge that I won’t be around to defend myself. You always do your best work when you’re unhindered by opposition.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmComment by Marley
Liberals are just all talk, deny it as you please. Your “jokester” route is only an attempted diversion of your parties’ failures.
Talk some more. Talk for the rest of 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012…………….
June 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pm“The conservatives in my generation have it down.”
if by ‘it’ you mean really bad foreign policy. or nativism [see " I live here, foreigner."]
“Conservative in the long run will only get better, stronger.”
if so, that’s only because your starting point is 28%.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:29 pm“There’s more to your post, but, sadly, it doesn’t merit a reply.”
That’s your own way to get around providing the supporting evidence.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI mean, you do repeat that sentence all too often.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:31 pmComment by pgw
That’s the boomer generation. We can do as we please, you have no useful advice to give.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:32 pm“First of all, I’m a dirty Independent, thank you.”
That’s what Bill-O claims.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pm“nativism [see †I live here, foreigner.â€]”
Naturally, Mexico is sure as hell a “nativist” country. So are most others. They have their own interests, we can have ours. You need to understand that.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pmMany democratic areas in this country don’t exactly have low poverty rates, for one.
All talk, no action. My town, on the other hand, is quite the right-wing area. Guess what? Poverty is low.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
this is what’s known as a specious argument. the uninformed reader is supposed to read that and think, “wow, i guess that means republicans know how to deal with poverty.”
if you believe that you’re an even bigger whackjob than your posts already make you out to be.
quite simply, the poverty rate in america fell 2.29 percent annually during the clinton years, but has since gone up 4.33 percent annually in the Bush years.
all your statement means is that, in general, republicans don’t like to fraternize with those they consider beneath them. they even go so far ast to build walled communities to keep the “common folk” out.
many poor areas are democratic because they can see that republicans don’t give a sh!t about them.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmChimpy – It’s those cowards in the White House who send other people’s children to war??? Please illustrate for a us the LOOOONG list of leaders who did not send other people’s children off to fight in wars?
****foot tapping****
“Liberals aren’t the ones who send them to die at the drop of a hat over a bunch of made-up justifications for invading another country.”
June 19th, 2007 at 4:37 pmI guess your idea of a drop of a hat and mine are different. Saddam Hussein should have been killed in the first Gulf War (much in the same way Stalin should not have survived WWII). His flagrant refusal to comply with the terms of the 1991 cease fire and continued financial backing of suicide bombers was enough to have given him the ultimatum GWB did. Saddam guessed wrong….and was executed That must upset you terribly!
Comment by Comp
Conservatives are just all talk, deny it as you please. Your “bully†route is only an attempted diversion of your parties’ failures.
Bully some more.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:38 pmBully for the rest of 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012…………….
First:
[system hybernation going into effect]
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Then:
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
That system has a real necessity of answering back, I guess.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:39 pmDems – If Dems have controlled America’s urban centers for decades why is there so much URBAN poverty, illegitimacy, drug use, and gang activity??? Hmmm….
June 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmJuan C!
That system is programmed by Rove.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmAnswer back to anything that is not right-wing or conservative.
Just keep blabbing. Doesn’t matter what it means or if it makes
any sense just keep the talking points talking and the propaganda
machine working.
“They have their own interests, we can have ours.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007″
and that’s an entirely different statement than telling someone ‘i live here, foreigner’.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pmreally, comptroller, in the last fifteen minutes you’ve engaged in ageism, xenophobia and you use the term “civvie” like an insult.
looks good for the republicans to have you on their side. keep on hatin’, compy.
promulgate idiocy! it’s the republican way.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pm“The White House set up intelligence stovepipes to “get information they wanted directly to the top leadership.†— TP
Stovepiping is NOT a direct method of transmission, as the above misunderstanding suggests. It’s a method of CONCEALMENT OF BAD GOODS.
When you pack ONIONS, a stovepipe inserted into the bag allows rotten onions to be put into the center of the bag, with good onions on the outside. The stovepipe is then removed. The consumer has no way of knowing that the bag is full of rotten onions until they open it.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmIf Dems have controlled America’s urban centers for decades why is there so much URBAN poverty, illegitimacy, drug use, and gang activity??? Hmmm….
Comment by valiant venus
Ok. Why a socialist society have the best living standards in the world? You know which countries Im talking about, right? Please, explain.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWhy am I not surprised that Thompson would say shit like this?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pmall liberals hate america all terrorist hate america.liberals and terrorist have so alike
June 19th, 2007 at 5:08 pmInteresting how Chimpeach pointed out the 28% of Americans that still agree with Bush while failing to mention that Harry Reid’s approval is at about 1/2 that.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pmAnd congress in general is only slightly higher than Reid’s.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIt is unbelievable what escapes from the mouths of Republicans. The below comes from this thread:
He said: “In his latest ABC News podcast, former senator Fred Thompson suggests that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) criticized outgoing Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Peter Pace last week to appeal to “fringe†anti-American elements “who think the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.â€
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Finally the neo cons have set Bush up as being “America”. If you criticize The Bush team, you criticize America. anti-Bush IS NOT ANTI-AMERICAN.
A federal judge said Mr. Bush operated out side his authority when he did his Guantanamo affair. Not quite anti-American enough? How about the 20 articles of impeachment that are on display at the website of ImpeachBush.org.
Could it be anti-American if one runs the country in a way contrary to the Hatch Act? How about revealing the identity of a CIA operative – that is surely anti-American – isn’t it?
And what about the Joint Chiefs of Staff upbraiding an American newspaper about an editorial cartoon? That may have been a first. Most, if not all of the “anti-Americans” that the neo con speaks of are just Americans who realize that this country is headed for the “pits” while “mouth pieces” ignore America’s problems.
Would it be anti-American to start a war based upon a fake prop (yellow-cake). Has that ever been done before? In the history of this country? Lots of people died and lots of money(credit card type) was used. Could that be classified as anti-American?
And this ex senator believes the title annoints him as a political GURU?
If so, then Mr. GURU why did the Bush team go to war with Iraq? Mr. GURU your party could use your wisdom. That’s where your comments should be directed. Could you possibly find out about the real reason for the Iraqi war?
Was it really the oil – all the time? Is that why the Bush team is projecting a long stay in Iraq – to protect the oil. Could you possibly find out the total cost in lives and dollars for the Bush team’s Iraqi adventure?
Of course, if someone mentions “democracy” or “stopping terroists”, neither one of those goals were reached. Terrorist had to love the Bush team’s removing a sitting government and replacing it with NOTHING. And some Iraqi civilians are being called REFUGEES as they try to escape Baghdad. But nary a “REFUGEE” word from the Bush team. Only from the RED CROSS, and the United Nations.
The “In Denial” pool is bigger than first imagined.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmSaddam Hussein should have been killed in the first Gulf War
Comment by valiant venus
I was in Desert Storm you crazy fool.
It was George Sr running that war, dumbass
We did not take Sadam out because we knew it would destablize the sunni/shiite situation.
Something W was too stupid to see and it seems you as well.
As a veteran, you lying b*tch, I can say that your support of Bush shows you do not support the troops, because bushco treats soldiers,wounded and veterans like sh*t.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pm246# Thanks. Liberals talk about low poll numbers of the Prez but fail to mention their own low numbers.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmDems – If Dems have controlled America’s urban centers for decades why is there so much URBAN poverty, illegitimacy, drug use, and gang activity??? Hmmm….
Comment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Ah it must be so nice to boil such complexities into Dems vs Repubs. Never took multivarient statistics eh?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pm“Interesting how Chimpeach pointed out the 28% of Americans that still agree with Bush while failing to mention that Harry Reid’s approval is at about 1/2 that.
Comment by coachjason — June 19, 2007″
and what do you think reid’s national name-id is relative to bush’s?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pmRE 252: So you’re saying that he gets low approval ratings because people don’t know him? I’ve heard some pitiful excuses for low poll numbers before, but that takes the cake!
June 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI suppose this is the part where you call me a NeoCon or Bushlover because I simply pointed out a fact to you?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmWayne – I criticized Bush the Elder LOUDLY for making a deal with the devil in that first coalition. (I do understand the substandard medieval culture of the Sunnis and Shiites. It’s called “tribalism”.) So you’re singing to the choir on that one!
Your anger at having been drafted into the military is understandable. Perhaps the VA can refer you for mental health counseling. Oh….that’s right – you VOLUNTEERED to serve your country…..Thank you for your service, anyway.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pm“I’ve heard some pitiful excuses for low poll numbers before, but that takes the cake!”
i know, right? it makes one wonder why those dumb statisticians poll for name-id at all!
June 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmSo you’re saying that he gets low approval ratings because people don’t know him?
Comment by coachjason
You trolls really don’t have critical thinking skills, do you?
Reid’s numbers are low because he and Nancy “Table Phobia” Pelosi wimped outon the mandate that swept Demstocontrol of both houses.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThey are falling in the polls for being useless tools.
RE 256: I’m not talking about name recognition, I’m talking about the peoples approval of the job that person is doing. Does it matter if they say George W. Bush, or can they simpy say “the president”? Do they need to say Harry Reid, or is “senate majority leader” enough. I don’t think Americans are that stupid that they need it spelled out for them.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:31 pmBezelt- If you don’t think OIL is a vital national interest you are either congenitally stupid or a disciple of Ted Kazinski and John Zerzan……
June 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmBetter start peddaling that two wheeler of yours – the swing shift at the hemp-soap shop starts in a few minutes……..
The difference is that Bush was elected to do a job, has done it, and people don’t like the result. the Democrat congress was elected to do a job and have not (yet) fulfilled their promises to the people. Harry Reid even called running “anti-war” campaigns, “a mistake”.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pmtaking the cake is someone here trying to defend bush at all. i don’t care what harry reid’s numbers are. he hasn’t been president the last 6 1/2 years. he hasn’t been responsible for the failed policies of this administration. until five months ago, harry reid was in the minority and had little power to do much of anything.
what also takes the cake is trying to act like poll numbers DON’T matter for bush, the six and a half year failure, but somehow they DO matter for reid, who has been senate majority leader for not even half a year.
try again, “coach”.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pmValiant Venus: Is it just me or does this place fall extremely silent when facts that are contrary to “liberal propaganda” are pointed out. This thread was blazing a while ago when all the libs were sitting here agreeing with one another…
June 19th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWayne – You don’t think Repubs LOST because they adapted to the Washington “pork-politics” culture, do you? In truth, Repubs LOST because their spending was out of control, their border policy was flimsy, and people were sick of politics as usual. Dems might have won, but the only ones cheering are the minimum wage earners – Dems have sold you out.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYour anger at having been drafted into the military is understandable. Perhaps the VA can refer you for mental health counseling. Oh….that’s right – you VOLUNTEERED to serve your country…..Thank you for your service, anyway.
Comment by valiant venus
I wasn’t drafted and I proudly served.
Fort Brag, 82nd Airborne.
have been to Nicaragua, Grenada, haiti, Iraq and a few missions that were not public knowledge.
I am also active in veteran issues.
Only thing I am angry about is your lie about liberals not supporting the military. You smear me with that sh*t.
And you are the one that needs a shrink
June 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pm“I’m not talking about name recognition, I’m talking about the peoples approval of the job that person is doing.”
yes, and people with high name-id, like bush, who are mired in the 30s are there for good. he’s got himself a ceiling, because everybody knows who he is and they have already formed their opinion of him.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmRE 261: Soooo let me get this straight… polls don’t matter when it comes to Harry Reid (or Democrats) for that matter… Only when we’re talking about Bush, then polls matter… I see.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:39 pmCould you point out to me where I defended Bush. I probably hate him more than you do. I simply point out fact. Don’t worry, I do it to conservatives too. You are all a bunch of name callers with no interest in America, the military, the people, the atmosphere, or anything else that matters. You blow smoke, just to claim that you blew the most smoke. Your transparencies are blatant. Your failures, are killing America and Americans.
great, just like my coaches in high school, you can’t read, “coach”. you can’t even refer to the right post.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmDems have sold you out.
Comment by valiant venus
Of course they have.
Their reluctance to pass ethics reform as promised shows that.
They are corporate owned tools like the Repukes.
And the Repukes a have been robbing this country blind.
Thats why I scream for a total cleanout, anti-incumbent election and replace all the a$$holes currently in office.
And I have almost as much contempt for the Dem presidential candidates as I do the Repuke candidates.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:44 pmRE 267: So instead of having anything to say about poll numbers, democrats, republicans, or anything else I’ve posted, you have to point out that I missed a post by 1 number. Losers do that just before admitting defeat. Obviously intellect is not a strong suit of yours.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:47 pm“Greenland was never green, it was only named that so more settlers would come. See the following: “The name “Greenland†comes from Scandinavian settlers. In the Icelandic sagas, it is said that Erik the Red was exiled from Iceland for murder. He, along with his extended family and thralls, set out in ships to find the land that was rumoured to be to the northwest. After settling there, he named the land Grønland (â€Greenlandâ€), possibly in order to attract more people to settle there.”
Yeah, Greenland is very icy and Iceland is very green, isn’t it? That’s what June Gudmonsdottir said in “The Player.” (This with the “Gosford Park” reference…is it Robert Altman Day?)
June 19th, 2007 at 5:49 pmCoach – Liberals like to massage facts to fit their agenda. They completely overlook the FACT that revenue flows into the treasury at greater rates when taxes are low enough to stimulate the engine of the economy. They are under the mistaken impression if we abandon our ally Israel, radical Koranimals will leave us alone. They are convinced that society is better with out moral constraints. (The spike in illegitimacy and juvenile violent crime is not coincidental.)
I quit liberalism 15 years ago because they were the most depressing people in the world to be around. They will use the Constitution to commit suicide because they generally HATE themselves. They defend the indefensible with glee – Like our enemies in the Middle East who believe it is virtuous to lie to an infidel and hack off heads. They preach tolerance and are the most intolerant of opposing views. It would be far too difficult to expect people to be accountable – so they don’t even try.
The school system under the tutelage of liberals is dismal – as it was designed. They preach moral relativism and are squishy in terms of national defense. They claim we didn’t surrender in Viet Nam – but i have yet to find the synonym of victory = withdrawal.
I am looking forward to the ‘08 election because I believe most Americans want nothing to do with capitulating to our enemies.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:51 pmno, i was pointing out that you didn’t even read my post correctly. you essentially repeated what i said and acted like you owned it.
one can’t argue that bush’s numbers don’t matter, then turn around and say reid’s numbers do matter.
simple comprehension, “coach”.
personally, i don’t care for reid, pelosi, bush, cheney or any of those self-serving oligarchs. but i do know what single party rule has done to us in recent years, and two party rule has done for america throughout its history.
we need other options. and we need leaders that won’t dumb down the national debate (getting back on topic) like fred thompson is doing.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:53 pmRE 268: I couldn’t agree more. I’ve watched the presidential debates from both parties and of the 20 people there, not a single one was inspiring. Not one cared about anything other than just getting elected. Political differences aside, Clinton won the first time because people related to him. He was the poor boy who made it big. He (didn’t) inhale. America loved him because he was one of us. On the contrary, America also loved Ronald Reagan. He was a stand-up guy… a leader and an insprier. (I’m sure this is where I’ll get called names) Whether you liked them or not, America obviously did because they won their reelections overwhelmingly.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:54 pmNobody on either stage (Democrat or Republican) was a Ron Reagan or a Bill Clinton, and because of that, America is destined to suffer more than we already have.
Lonesomerobot, Valiant Venis, and Wayne: Is it just me or are we all agreeing here on some level? The 2 party system works when both of the parties are working for the people. When the 2 parties are just working against the other party, we all get screwed! Kinda like we are right now.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:59 pmyea, let’s just compare the fiscal policies of the last 14 years.
debt reduction: better under clinton
job creation: better under clinton
wages: better under clinton
americans with health insurance: better under clinton
per capita gdp: higher under clinton
median household income: higher under clinton
poverty rates: lower under clinton
homeownership: higher under clinton
oh, and a new poll shows 70% believe the economy is getting worse.
so, yea, those bush economic policies are sure working out for america.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#246 coachjason
Interesting how Chimpeach pointed out the 28% of Americans that still agree with Bush while failing to mention that Harry Reid’s approval is at about 1/2 that.
1. Harry Reid isn’t the president. Do I need to explain why that makes a difference?
2. Which polls are you looking at? I found one recent one that says he has a lower approval than disapproval. Most of the others gave him higher approval/favorable than disapproval/unfavorable.
3. Interesting how coachjason didn’t mention that none of Reid’s disapproval/unfavorable numbers are anywhere near as high as Bush’s have been for over two years now.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:02 pmThis man is frightening — like those he wants to replace.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:03 pmRE 271: Fundamentally, liberalism is caring for your fellow man more than yourself and wanting things to change to prove it. On the other hand Conservatism is loving your fellow man more than yourself and wanting things to stay the same to prove it. I think if we just take away the -ism’s maybe we can all get along.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI think you’re right, my liberal friends are depressing the crap out of me. Conversely my conservative friends are boring the crap out of me. They all have issues that matter immensely to themselves (as do I), the problem is that they think their problems are greater than that of anyone else. It’s sad really, the means they will both use to turn us against each other.
Thompson claims Reid is encouraging our enemies? While it is true that the Bush team has made a real mess of Iraq, it had nothing to do with Senator Reid.
Could “encouraging our enemies” be the reason the Bush team really created a “train wreck” in Iraq? Everybody knows that for every effect (TRAIN WRECK) there is a cause (Americans encouraging our enemies)?
Here are three main reasons that could have given the insurgents the impetus to fight America:
(1) 2003 troop count too low. Main stream types asked the Bush team if it did not need more troops? Answer: NO.
(2) Removing a sitting government and replacing it with NOTHING. This act, trully unbelievable, gave the insurgents the will and the resources to train and prepare for the fight against the Allies. They had four years of ungoverned activity.
(3) The removed military and police force knew the terrain and knew where the weapons were concealed.
If the insurgents had all these “gifts” from the bush team, they had no need for “lip service” from any American. But the neo cons started blaming others for the Bush team’s poor performance after removing Saddam Hussein did not fix the perceived terrorist problem. Then the Bush team blamed the following:
(1) Al Quida
(2) Fascist Sympathizers
(3) Americans who would not back off at the command of the then Secretary of Defense.
And now it looks like there is a brand new entry to take-responsibility-for-the-Bush-team’s-mess. Do not “find fault” with what your President does or you may be “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. Way to go Bush team democracy. Please export that one.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pm#236 vv
Chimpy – It’s those cowards in the White House who send other people’s children to war??? Please illustrate for a us the LOOOONG list of leaders who did not send other people’s children off to fight in wars?
****foot tapping****
If you’re going to quote me, get it right, shitstick. Use an exact f*cking quote or don’t even attempt it. Oh wait, I’m messing up your straw man, aren’t I. I’m sorry. You just go ahead and have a nice argument with your little straw pal.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:07 pmyea, let’s just compare the fiscal policies of the last 14 years.
debt reduction: better under clinton
June 19th, 2007 at 6:08 pmjob creation: better under clinton
wages: better under clinton
americans with health insurance: better under clinton
you may be right, coach, but i’ve been following the national debate for a long time. conservatives made “liberal” a dirty word a long time ago, and turned being against everything liberals were for into an artform during the clinton years.
i know exactly what you mean by being bored with conservatives. i used to think it was funny how much they b!tched about clinton. little did i know it was going to turn deadly serious for us in this decade.
the discussion has to turn away from “i’m against whatever you’re for” or we are a nation truly in decline.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pmWhen the 2 parties are just working against the other party, we all get screwed! Kinda like we are right now.
Comment by coachjason
Debate is good, it gets all sides heard.
It’s when the parties put party (or corporate) interests over Country and We The People that we get the total meltdown of government and the total mess we have now.
For example, When the president and corporations claim more rights and privacy than the president allows you and me (like right now) We are f*cked.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pmWTF??? 281 deleted half my post.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pmfull disclosure: i never voted for clinton
June 19th, 2007 at 6:11 pm#236 vv
That’s how weak your shit is. You couldn’t even come back with anything if you responded to what I said. You had to change it to suit your limp-wristed response. Give it up.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:12 pmLet’s try this again
yea, let’s just compare the fiscal policies of the last 14 years.
debt reduction: better under clinton -True
June 19th, 2007 at 6:14 pmjob creation: better under clinton -True
wages: better under clinton -For some
americans with health insurance: better under clinton -False (unless you count welfare, but then again Clinton kicked people off welfare.
per capita gdp: higher under clinton -True
median household income: higher under clinton -True
poverty rates: lower under clinton -Absolutely False
homeownership: higher under clinton -Absolutely Positively False
Poverty Rates: Better under Bush
RE 283: Or when illegal alien (immigrants) are given more rights and better healthcare than citizens… I agree we’re f@#$ed.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:18 pmRE 285: Full disclosure… I did vote for Clinton (once).
June 19th, 2007 at 6:18 pmcoach, did you actually try the link i provided with that information?
here it is. it even has footnotes.
i don’t know where you’re getting the info on poverty and homeownership, but poverty fell 2.29% annually under clinton, and has gone up 4.33% annually under bush. just because poverty hit its low point while bush was is a statistical fluke that bush supporters have been trying to claim for too long now. the fact is, every year of bush’s administration, poverty rates have gone up.
under bush homeownership has gone up .37% annually, but that’s actually a slowdown from clinton’s 1.94% annual increase.
that’s the reality.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:21 pmChimpy – I’ll make this easy for you – PLEASE tell me the names of national leaders who did NOT send other peoples’ children to war during a state of war. I look forward to your answer…
(Now – ***foot tapping***)
June 19th, 2007 at 6:28 pmLone-bot – Both you and the Progressive Policy Institute conveniently forget several facts. Let me help. Clinton suffered no economic downturn as the recession Bush inherited had just gotten underway. Pres. Clinton had WTC 1, the Embassy bombings, the USS Cole and Bush had 9/11. All had differing effects on the economy from grave (9/11) to nothing. So once again, Progs can be counted on to do their best to fit the facts to their agendas.
Thanks for playing…..
June 19th, 2007 at 6:34 pmBezelt- If you don’t think OIL is a vital national interest you are either congenitally stupid or a disciple of Ted Kazinski and John Zerzan……
Better start peddaling that two wheeler of yours – the swing shift at the hemp-soap shop starts in a few minutes……..
Comment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 5:3
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Of course, I never linked oil to the national interest. And I don’t believe Mr. bush, in his 2003, yellow cake State of the Union Address did either. If the President had said he was going to war with Iraq to get its oil, all America would have been marching in the streets.
You see, some Americans still do value ethics, fairness and non aggression in their relationship to other countries.
The Bush team did not say that Iraq was being invaded to get to the oil. As a matter of fact, the Secretary of Defense, in 2003, said it was not about the Oil. He emphasized that – it was not about the oil.
If the Iraqi war was about oil, then America has been further “fooled” by the Bush team. First it was the yellow cake fake. And some believe the President knew, at the time of his State of the Union Address, that WMDs were a fake.
The Bush team told America it was going after TERRORIST and it was aiming to establish democracy in that part of the world. There was no mention of oil, except by the Secretary of Defense saying the Iraq war was not about the oil.
The value of oil to the country was not something on the Bush team table. If a weaker country has to protect its own resources (no UN help) then that weaker country’s leader has a duty to use all at his disposal to protect his country. It is, as you said – stupid to do otherwise.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:41 pmMore to the point Bezelt, if Bush had declared that the entire purpose for invading Iraq was to control the oil supply in Iraq, then thier would be no question that the war was illegal. Attacking a country to control the resources in the country is illegal under UN law. Not that many on the right care. A might makes right attitude is all they need.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:46 pmPoverty Rates: Better under Bush
Comment by coachjason
No worst under Bush.
They screwed with the numbers by reclasifying things like hunger as “very low food security.” to hide the facts.
And let me add something that I always push for ( why VV pissed me off)
Veteran issues: did not improve under Clinton, did not reallyget worst.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:48 pmVeteran issues: Much worst, a total failure, non-veterans who were anti-veteran rights appointed toVA positions.
Bezell – Going after terrorists over there is alot better than going after them in your neighbourhood. And keeping terrorists from controlling a vital national interest (OIL) is not a bad dividend. Been fitted for that one size fits all burka? ( – just to show what an egalitariran you are!)
Tooodles………….
June 19th, 2007 at 6:51 pmKrazny notes “Attacking a country to control the resources in the country is illegal under UN law.”
Iraq was attacked for NON-compliance of cease fire terms and the threat he posed to our allies. The fact that Jimmy Carter, traitor extraordinaire, gutted the intelligence community must have been lost on you. We do not want radical Koranimals controlling Middle Eastern Oil. (My compliments – at least you didn’t pull the this prog-bit out of the bag: “stealing their oil.” We buy their oil, and hopefully, rational Iraqis can rid their country of the radical vermin – if not, they lost the culture war….)
June 19th, 2007 at 7:00 pmGoing after terrorists over there is alot better than going after them in your neighbourhood. Comment by valiant venus
I killed terrorists in a few operations when I served.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:00 pmAfganistan was the right move, imho. Except Bush flubbed it when he sent all our resources to Iraq.
The Iraq fiasco was all about oil and lies.
That you fall hook, line and sinker for Bush and Cheney’s bs shows what a foolish twit you are.
Bezell – Going after terrorists over there is alot better than going after them in your neighbourhood. And keeping terrorists from controlling a vital national interest (OIL) is not a bad dividend. Been fitted for that one size fits all burka? ( – just to show what an egalitariran you are!)
Tooodles………….
Comment by valiant venus — June 19, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Maybe you might want to discourage our blame America first coporations for allowing those weird yellow people from controlling our economy. Better to have them make it over there before we have to make it in our own backyard. We will be toppled by our greed not by the boogeymen of Islam?
June 19th, 2007 at 7:02 pmBeen ftted for the I can only think in the mode of a petroleum based world mindset?
#160: “It makes me icky, since it’s not possible for Liberals to love the military.”
CV: You MAY want to re-think that silly statement. Of course coming from a person who’s never served, maybe not. After all, since you’ve never been there, maybe you’re just ignorant.
I entered the Air Force in ‘72 and retired in ‘94 (let’s see: Vietnam to Desert Storm-been there, done that). Ok, so maybe ONE liberal doesn’t count, in your “mind”. How about this number: My unit of 123 people–86 voted for Clinton in ‘96. 84 supported Hillary’s health care plan. I realize that the vast majority of the AF vote GOP, as a rule, but when pressed on issues they tend to support liberal positions (gays in the military, separation of church and state, right to choice, right to privacy, etc).
Damn, sorry to burst your ignorant bubble there kid.
Now, unless you KNOW what you’re talking about, maybe discretion IS the better part of valor.
JFM
June 19th, 2007 at 7:02 pmMSGT,USAF,RET
T25190A (They’ve changed the #s in my last year and never bothered to learn the new ones.)
Iraq was attacked for NON-compliance of cease fire terms and the threat he posed to our allies. — valiant venus
Where are the elusive WMDs, twit?
June 19th, 2007 at 7:03 pmThat’s what Bush asked authorization for.
Admit it, they LIED.
Comment by usafret
Thanks for serving.
I got out in 91 shortly after Desert Storm
June 19th, 2007 at 7:10 pm(2 suguries to put my right ankle back together =P)
Today is the summer solstice, the day of greatest light. For the next 6 months, darkness will grow, both in the amount of night time, and upon the face of the land.
Those who walk in darkness will grow in power, and a great shadow will reach across the earth; may they achieve all they set out to do.
The mutual annihilation of those who harbor hate is about to unfold, exponentially.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:18 pmas i’ve said before, vv,
i find it hilarious that some of you will scream bloody murder when bush is accused of doing nothing in eight months before 9/11…
…all the while suggesting clinton was responsible for the 1993 wtc bombing, when he had been in office all of 35 days.
…and suggesting the cole bombing investigation was also supposed to be wrapped up in a nice package by january 2001, four months after it happened. because clearly bush didn’t do anything about it after he took office.
so maybe i missed it – sometime in the last six years, bush MUST have caught bin laden.
right?
June 19th, 2007 at 7:24 pmLadies and Gentlemen:
Fred Thompson.
The new Dick Cheney.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:26 pmWow……I see a lot of squirming here on TP as light is exposed on your irrational conspiratorial theories. You’ve been spouting these venomous accusations based on zero evidence and have joined your hero, Rosie O’Donnell, in giving aid and comfort to the enemy. It sure looks weird when, like roaches, your exposed to the light of truth and you are able to catch a glimpse of how the world really looks at you – as nut cases. Wallowing together on this website gives you a false sense of comfort that you have numbers when in fact, you’re in such a minority that Nancy Pelosi runs from the like of your ilk.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:36 pmEric:
June 19th, 2007 at 7:52 pmHelp me out here friend, which irrational conspiracy theories do you reference? Also your hostility seems to be preventing you from making a clear point. Want to start over again with an opener which fosters intelligent, sincere, and respectful discussion?
307 – must be the irrational conspiracy theory that Bin Laden pulled off the attacks. That’s the only theory not based on the laws of physics.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:05 pmValant Venus said:
Bezell – Going after terrorists over there is alot better than going after them in your neighbourhood.
bezelt said:
Well, as the Vice President said in reference to dunking terror suspects in water, that is a no brainer.
But going after terrorist in some body’s elses country might require some kind of rules be obeyed. And that may be where the Bush team hurts.
If you are going to replace a sitting government with NOTHING that ought to be cruel and unusual punishment for the non-combatants of that country and that should be “not recommended” by civilized nations – not even to kill terrorists away from your own country.
I know of no endeavor ( except BIG OIL ) that the Bush team has demonstrated professionalism in. It could be “bad wrong” to think that the only way to do something is the Bush team way.
And when the Bush team way fails (as it usually does) then the task must be undoable?
All rules and regulations must be suspended or revoked so that the Bush team is not hampered by rules, laws, logic, common sense and other obstacles to “getting the job done”.
The Bush team’s way of killing terrorist away from home is ungood. And Afganistan will vouch for that. If you are watching a game of football in a large stadium and the Bush team gets word that a terrorist is also at the game – I feel sorry for you. Big collateral damage is a by product of war…right?
Valant Venus said:
And keeping terrorists from controlling a vital national interest (OIL) is not a bad dividend.
bezelt said:
Are you suggesting that America should start stealing other countries resources? That may work on the Bush team, but I doubt that any other American government in recent history would suggest that.
Valant Venus said:
Been fitted for that one size fits all burka? ( – just to show what an egalitariran you are!)
bezelt said: No.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:13 pmNo dumbass. If you’ve been following threads here you would have read my multiple instances of exposing extreme, irrational conspiracy theories. Too many to cite. No hostility here either………I get a kick out of loonies……don’t try to turn the tables. It’s the hostility of the nut cases here towards America that is amazing.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:16 pmEric:
June 19th, 2007 at 8:20 pmIt is pronounced Badass. Would you like to have an intelligent, sincere, and respectful discussion?
Comment by bezelt
You’re entitled to your opinion, that’s about it.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Thanks.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:25 pmclearly eric wants to be neither intelligent nor respectful.
however, i do think he’s being sincere in his unintelligent disrespect. good, old eric; he’s here to save us from ourselves!
one dumbass at a time, eric. you could start by switching off the computer and fixing up that guy staring back at you in the dark reflection of the monitor.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:27 pmdbadass. I apologize. I sort of have a thing for people not using their real names so I tend to show less respect. I do appreciate intelligent, sincere and respectful discussions. You must be new to the site.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:28 pmI’ve heard parroting of every conceivable conspiracy theory on here, foremost being the 9/11 towers conspiracy that Rosie has been attempting to propagate. If liberals can discredit 9/11, they can rid themselves of one of the justifications of the Iraq War. It’s truly shameful to watch.
I sure hate to do this but I hope Wayne didn’t leave… He’s be the first American person to ever serve in the military and openly brag about the “terrorists” he killed. I’m gonna go ahead and doubt both!
June 19th, 2007 at 8:35 pmEric:
June 19th, 2007 at 8:38 pmI come by now and again if only to check on manners. It is the freedom of ideas which my country stands for. You and I obviously disagree on many aspects of our worldviews but no doubt we share more than we differ.
Best
valiant venus said:
Iraq was attacked for NON-compliance of cease fire terms and the threat he posed to our allies. — valiant venus
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It is difficult for some people (many) to understand who, at the United Nations, authorized the Bush team to go to war with Iraq? If the Bush team went to war in the name of the United Nations how was that documented?
That question is especially puzzling in light of the United Nations refusal to be a part of the Bush team “Allies” that marched off to war with Iraq.
Did the Bush team (2003) have authorization from the United Nations to represent the United Nations in the attack on Iraq? Did the Bush team pick up the tab(lives and money) for the Iraq war?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:40 pmbut eric, 9/11 ISN’T a justification for the iraq war, and it never was. iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
as i said upthread, one problem i have: how come both condi and george said “we could have never imagined†terrorists flying airplanes into buildings in september 2001, but in july 2001 bush had to stay on a boat at the g8 summit in genoa specifically because they were warned that a terrorist might try to fly a plane into a building?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:42 pmThere is such a thing as out to lunch, and then there is this Thompson guy. He must think Paul Harvey is due for a come back. Let all the ideo-cons follow him, give me Ron Paul, and send this throwback over to the Hollywood crowd, where, for whatever reason, people want to watch him.
P.S. Thompson wouldn’t make a pimple on the ass of a Harry Reid!
Q
June 19th, 2007 at 9:27 pm# 318,
At last I have found a reference to what I know I heard (just briefly – 1 time) in 2001. All that I recalled hearing was “they never did that before”. I remembered it because it “did not sound right” coming from anyone with responsibility for the protection of this country.
I did not know who said it.
Also, in 2001 was mention of American field agents noticing foreign pilots training on American soil. If those foreign pilots came to the attention of the CIA or FBI or some other federal agency, it is easy to think that they reported their observations to their bosses.
And from there could it have gotten to the White House?
I wondered at that time if those lost documents that were hand carried to the White House by the head of the CIA (Mr. George Tenet) could have referenced those foreign pilots.
And regarding those documents that were said to have been hand delivered by Mr. Tenet, I wondered if those documents were viewed by a superior intellect and dumped into a circular file because, “they never did that before”.
However Mr. Tenet has just written a book and I don’t believe Mr. Tenet’s book indicates his documents related to those foreign pilots.
But it was interesting to hear again what I knew I heard in 2001 but was never able to find its source. So, thanks lonesomerobot.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:31 pm#291 vv
PLEASE tell me the names of national leaders who did NOT send other peoples’ children to war during a state of war. I look forward to your answer…
Take my hand. I’ll walk you through this. Now pay very close attention. Are you paying attention? This is what I said:
Liberals aren’t the ones who send them to die at the drop of a hat over a bunch of made-up justifications for invading another country.
That was an exact quote. Now here’s what your straw man said:
Please illustrate for a us the LOOOONG list of leaders who did not send other people’s children off to fight in wars?
Here are the key words in MY quote: “Liberals”…”drop of a hat”…”bunch of made-up justifications for invading another country.” I guess your straw man was talking about something different because he said something about a “list of leaders” and sending “other people’s children off to fight in wars.”
If you’re going to address me and my words, you’ll have to ask the straw man to leave the room.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:42 pmRe 321: In more recent history, the liberals weren’t exactly jumping off the bandwagon when the measure to preemptively invade Iraq was put on their plate. Of course they were lied to, that’s what you tell people when you can’t take responsibility for your own actions.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:52 pmEric said:
No dumbass. If you’ve been following threads here you would have read my multiple instances of exposing extreme, irrational conspiracy theories. Too many to cite. No hostility here either………I get a kick out of loonies……don’t try to turn the tables. It’s the hostility of the nut cases here towards America that is amazing.
Comment by Eric — June 19, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
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I wonder what the “It’s the hostility of the nut cases here towards America that is amazing” means.
The Bush team is not America. The Republican party is not America. The Democratic party is not America. America is America in the absence of all political parties.
America is the host for everything.
While some political parties quickly wraps itself in the American flag or an American military uniform or American security when it can’t defend its behavior, Nobody is fooled by that charade.
Although the Bush team may be visiting the Hatch Act for politicizing most of what it touched, the Bush team is not AMERICA. And the world is likely proud of that.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:12 pmIt’s not just theory that $51 million US tax dollars were spent on Jihadist textbooks sent to hundreds of madrassas in Afghanistan, also funded with our money under Bonzo Reagan, and it’s not just an episode of a purile overwrought phony piece of teevee propaganda bullshit masquerading as some sort of self-righteous excuse to pervert actual law and order for the oil/weapons/nuclear status quo that profits from killing our Best and Bravest while pointing its bloody fingers at so-called unpatriotic liberals. It’s fact. Fred Thompson is the loony fringe traitorous emboldener of our enemies for supporting the nurturing of radical terrorists by his very own totally corrupt GOP. Oh, and google the 1 hour 45 minute documentary “Take Back 9/11″.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:40 amJust keep flappin’ your lips Thompson. I love the breeze.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:47 amSo you’ve read that these calls were made and received, know that the most unimpeachable sources possible have testified to their authenticity, had the opportunity to even hear some of these calls yourself via many releases over the past 6 years.
You know that this evidence has been reviewed by many sources and witnesses, is corroborated and never disputed by them.
As a wanna-be lawyer you’ve taken this evidence, weighed it against some unspecified assurance that none of that is possible and decided that this proves it was a hoax.
Well do let us know when you’ll be flunking that bar exam due to a confounding unfamiliarity with the concept and rules of ‘evidence’.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:00 amIs the question why on earth you said it ?
The Iraq Resolution passed both houses 4 months before the Powell UN presentation.
It was passed less than 10 months after anyone even raised the issue of Iraq even being mildly dodgy. From zero to approval of invasion in less than a year.
Those voting for the bill included Kerry, Edwards and Clinton.
That would certainly appear to be liberals deciding to invade another country based on “made up justifications” at “the drop of a hat”.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:25 amGoogle Chemtrails, Google HAARP, Google Scholars for 911 Truth, Google Depleted Uranium Please stop arguing.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:14 pmHow was your trip to Israel, Fred?
Nice to see you toe the party line, master thespian.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:50 pmHas anyone ever noticed that Thompson bears more than a passing resemblance to Frankenstein? He’s a pretty scary looking guy with equally scary views.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:59 pmYou know, it’s really a shame that stupidity isn’t fatal. If it was, there wouldn’t be a single Bush supporter left on the planet.
Ah. What a nice thought!
June 20th, 2007 at 3:46 pmJews Rock! Go get Fred! Fred will protect Israel.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_911_Timeline.html
June 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pmNothing should disqualify Fred Thompson for the Presidency more immediately and with such finality than adopting the habitual and historical Republican modus operandi of attacking and smearing the messenger. This method of discrediting the statement of Reid (instead of addressing the statement itself) is so typical of this (and other) Republican administrations. Did this administration attempt to refute the findings of Joseph Wilson’s report from Niger? No. They just simply personally attacked the credibility and patriotism of a career diplomat….. and his wife, to boot.
Now, a second very important reason that Fred Thompson is distinctly unqualified to be President is that he’s another Nixon cronie-holdover. No one connected with the criminal Nixon administration and tactics should be considered a credible or ethical candidate. We have learned that much from Nixonites serving in this administration, haven’t we?!
June 20th, 2007 at 4:40 pmYou liberals that come on here and worship every one with a D in front of thier name have some serious problems.
Have you noticed Pelosi and Reid kissing Israeli ass and telling them they will protect them from anything and everything. Hawking against Iran?? Obama and Hillary too??
Do some damn research and stop believing your phony liberals like Amy Goodman.
The mainline Democrats want war. Just search Barack Obama+Robert Kagan and maybe you will figure it out. How about Pelosi+AIPAC??
And for all the shit you guys talk about 9/11 Truth people, they are the only ones that actually have a movement that gets stuff done. They have a fraction of the supposed anti-war “movement”, yet they are the ones that are in the news. Why? Becasue they are active.
Everyone involved with these mainline democrats just sits around doing nothing and waiting for orders from “leaders”, who do nothing themselves.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pmJEWS DID 911 AND ALL WORLD WARS. WARS ARE PROFIT MACHINES FOR JEWS TO PROFIT FROM BOTH SIDES. CHRIST CALLED THEM THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.
June 20th, 2007 at 5:11 pmMOSES WAS A RAPIST AND MURDERER OF LITTLE GIRLS REF; Numbers Chapter 31, Vs 15 on. There is the leader for all Jews doing what they know best: rape, steal and kill.
http://www.Jew.Crime.
For those of yopu who have not be pre-programmed by your Jew educational system and Jew loving preachers.
Thompson starred in fiction on TV so it’s only appropriate that he supports the official 9/11 fiction.
June 20th, 2007 at 5:50 pmhere is someone who desperately needs some attention and some headlines so how better to do that then to drop the 911-truth witch hunt on a competitor…this guy blows at acting on screen, his real life acting is even worse. the neo-con ass bandits will get their comeuppance, stay tuned~~
June 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pm#336 – I notice you hate AIPAC and Israel (and blame Jews for everything wrong in your life and the world in general.) You’ll find some like minded people here, you sick bastard.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:57 pm1. I don’t like being linked to treasonous Harry Reid who SUCKS and is in bed with Bush and so isn’t Pelosi too as is MOST in Congress too! 2. 9-11 WAS an inside job, FACT! With help from Israeli Mossad agents too! 3. Fred Thompson is a MORON AND NEEDS TO STICK TO ACTING! 4. Harry Reid is the one who is sponsoring the treasonous immigration bill on Bush’s behalf that has the America and Constitution destroying NAU agreement in it, as the treasonous bastards hide it in the immigration bill so PLEASE, IF YOU LOVE AMERICA RAISE HELL WITH REID, KENNEDY AND LEAHY AND DEMAND THEY SCRAP THIS TREASONOUS AMERICA DESTROYING BILL AND NOW! AND CALL ALL SENATOR’S AND URGE THEM TO 1. FILIBUSTER BILL 2. DEMAND THE URGE REID TO SCRAP AMERICA DESTROYING BILL ASAP! Which by the way Bush was for too! And what is stupid, gullible Fred Thompson going to do when Bush and cohorts set off nukes in America and blame in on Iran or BOGUS CIA created “boogeymen”Al-CIA-da”? When it will be another false flag attack like 9-11 was and also rest of attacks, like 7/7 too! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, PERIOD! I DARE EVERYONE READING THIS TO AT LEAST LOOK AT OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE THAT 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB BUT PLEASE, IN MEAN TIME, LOBBY LIKE HELL AGAINST IMMIGRATION BILL BEFORE THERE IS NO,NO AMERICA TO ARGUE OVER! Please watch this video about 9-11: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8076200333701191665 , and share this info quickly and widely! We MUST save America from these treasonous traitors in our own gov’t and NOW! Call Congress tomorrow at 1-202-224-3121 and DEMAND they scrap the America destroying Immigration bill which has in it the dissolvion of America by way of NAU aggreement, which Bush got us into last year WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL OR CONGRESS’S EITHER! WE MUST STOP THESE TREASONOUS BASTARDS AND NOW! Hell, Fred Thompson is probably for the NAU! To read about NAU and how bad it is, go to http://www.stopthenau.org ! We would NO longer be called American’s but North Americanist’s and NO,NO longer have our precious Constitution either! Lou Dobbs is ONLY one good on this issue! And for record, Fred and Reid and Hellary and Pelosi are ALL on same side and that side is NOT America’s side nor our side either! Their words are just that, a SHOW for the masses! They ALL suck except for Ron Paul and possibly DK! WAKE UP SHEEPLE, PLEASE, I AM BEGGING YOU AS A FELLOW AMERICA, LOOK AT THE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE!
June 20th, 2007 at 8:01 pm#336 – I notice you hate AIPAC and Israel
June 20th, 2007 at 8:03 pmI DO blame AIPAC as ALL in Congress bows down to AIPAC and Israel and puts AIPAC above even our nation and ONLY sick bastard here is YOU who put Israel above America! Why don’t you go back to Israel since you put Israel above America! F*CK AIPAC! I PUT AMERICA FIRST AS SHOULD CONGRESS TOO BUT THEY DON’T THEY PUT F8CKING ISRAEL AND AIPAC FIRST TO THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA! AND IT MUST STOP AND NOW!
The 9/11 was an inside job. Going into Iraq was plan way before Old Bush took office.
Comment by Mary Poplins
June 20th, 2007 at 8:12 pmHow right you are but please don’t say you would not vote for a Republican because there is a pretty good one running named Ron Paul! Do you know about him? I am a Democrat but I will NOT vote for Hellery or others as they ALL SUCK but Dennis K! Take a look at Ron Paul! He wants in independent investigation into 9-11 and also just introduces much needed legislation wiping out the corrupt Federal Reserve too! LOOK AT RON PAUL! He is NOT your average ahole Republican! But before then Bush will have carried out another false flag attack and declared Marshall Law and probably have gotten us into WW3 by then! And finished declaring himself the f*cking real dictator he already IS!
Comment by Eric — June 19, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
I have news flash for you Eric, WE ARE IN THE MAJORITY NOW! WE ARE IN MAJORITY! Eric, Have you EVER even for one day, REALLY looked at the overwhelming evidence that 9-11 was an inside job or do you let other’s only brainwash you?
June 20th, 2007 at 8:14 pmComment by Josh — June 20, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Your partially right on! But I am one former Dem who HATES Reid and Pelosi and Hellary too! WISE UP SHEEPLE! THEY ARE ALL, YES ALL IN BED TOGETHER! Or damn near ALL! FACT! Don’t you f*cking get it? They put on a show for us peons and masses to make us think they are different but in end they ALL support each other and their f*cking sick New World Order agenda to destroy America from within and for one world gov’t! PLEASE, PLEASE WAKE THE F*CK UP! Most Dem’s SUCK TOO! AND, AND ARE IN BED WITH BUSH TOO! Do you really think Bush and R’s could get by with ALL this treasonous shit without help from Dem’s? NOT! Hell,Hellary and Bill Clinton even go on vacation together with Bush family, Sr. and Jr. WAKE THE F*CK UP AND NOW! THEY ARE ALL IN BED TOGETHER! Only put on a show that they are NOT for us sheeple! The ONLY MAYBE difference is Ron Paul. But I don’t trust ANY of them! Dem or R!
June 20th, 2007 at 8:20 pmComment by Eric — June 19, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Earth to Eric, We supposedly went into Iraq because they has WMD’s which they DID NOT HAVE, moronic,gullibe, sheeple! And you and other stupid dumb asses use the word “liberal” to KEEP FROM F*CKING THINKING! WHEN WAS LAST TIME YOU DID ANY,ANY REAL INVESTIGATION INTO 9-11? WHEN? “Blind faith in bad leadership is NOT patriotic but tandamount to TREASON”! You would make a great citizen in Nazi, Germany! Question nothing, just obey! Hail Hitler 2, i.e. Bush! By the way, Eric do you know about the 5 war games going on the morning of 9-11? Or that Bush’s brother Marvin worked for security firm of WTC, Dulles and United? Or that his cousin, was CEO of SAME firm? Did you also know that bomb sniffing dogs were REMOVED from towers on Sept.6th! Eric, Why has Bush said TWICE that he saw the 1ST plane hit the towers when there is NO,NO way he could have as video was NOT out til next day! Why did Rummie say twice that flight 93 was shot down? And why did he also say that missile hit Pentagon? Your sooo f*cking gullible and naive! STOP PUTTING ANY,ANY POLITICIAN ABOVE AMERICA! STOP IT! PUT AMERICA FIRST NOT F*CKING BUSH NOR PELOSI NOR REID NOR ANYONE OF THEM! 9-11 WAS A F8CKING INSIDE JOB, FACT! AND THEY ARE PLANNING IT AGAIN ONLY THIS TIME IT WILL BE WITH NUKES! So Bush can declare Marshall Law!
June 20th, 2007 at 8:28 pmGet the facts on 9/11:
http://www.911research.com
June 20th, 2007 at 8:40 pmI don’t know anyone who thinks 9/11 WASN’T an inside job.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:52 pmYou don’t have to be an Architect, engineer or physicist to know that steel framed skyscrapers can not possible fall into the path of most resistance at the speed of gravity.
What really cracks me up is how the supposedly government hating republicans are the first to jump to the government’s defense when it comes to the 911 inside job situation.
Republican mantra: Government is bad, must limit government. Oh there’s no way our good government could do such a thing.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:19 amJust sit back and listen to yourselves. it’s pathetic.
Comment by HEh — June 21, 2007 @ 12:19 am
This is NOT about Dem versus Republicans as BOTH ARE GUILTY OF TREASON! And probably mass murder too,maybe not on grand scale in 9-11 but first WTC bombing did happen during Clinton’s term! Clinton’s and other Dem’s SUCK right along with Bush Jr. and Sr.! And I AM an avid 9-11 truther and researcher, who KNOWS beyond ANY shadow of doubt that 9-11 was an inside job with Mossad/Israeli help,too! Don’t get too cocky about Republicans because there are TREASONOUS DEM’S TOO! Some in FBI helped do the 1st WTC bombing and also OKC bombing too! And are involved in coverup of truth on 9-11 too!
June 21st, 2007 at 2:12 amI never said the Dems are innocent in the 911 caper. There is no doubt that the operation could not have been pulled off without the complicity of the majority of both parties. And let’s certainly not forget that the Dem’s choice for VP candidate in 2000 is the avid promoter of expanded the middle east adventure.
June 21st, 2007 at 2:59 amI didn’t know anyone can run for President these days – even washed-up politicians that just pretend to still be important on TV shows!
This guy’s a whack job.
Ron Paul 08.
June 21st, 2007 at 5:22 amLMAO. Yes what an achievement for the 9/11 Truthers. To make the news as a punchline that being associated with is viewed as a smear even by liberals.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:40 amYou’re right up there with NAMBLA now. Pat yourselves on the back. LOL
LMAO.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:54 amSo if the neo-cons weren’t behind it who was ?
I assume that if they were there would have been at least some connection between 9/11 and the justification for invading Iraq, right ?
And that the last people on earth they would want to implicate were the extended Bush family, the Saudis right ?
Who chose all those Saudis and no Iraqis to be the hijackers then ?
June 21st, 2007 at 7:00 amComment by Kilo — June 21, 2007 @ 7:00 am
I NEVER said the “Neo-Cons” were NOT behind 9-11, they ARE! Do you know about pure evil PNAC group? In their OWN document dated in 2000, they state that their pure evil plans would have to move slower “Absence a castrophe event, like Pearl Harbor”! And that they had plans to invade Iraq whether Saddam was there or NOT! What was 9-11 but their New Pearl Harbor!? 7 of the supposed highjacker’s are STILL alive! It was Mossad agents flying those planes! Who stold the passport of “Atta” and rest! What does it tell you sheeple, that ALL airport security was handled by an Israeli company with ties to Mossad who also LET Richard Reid board that plane in Paris for U.S.? WAKE UP! Google: 5 dancing Israeli’s! Google Zim shipping, who broke their lease one week before 9-11, proving foreknowledge! And do research on Odiego too! Who has benefited more from 9-11 but Israel? Or should I say pure evil Zionist agenda!? WHO? Besides of course, Bush and cohorts! The war on terrorism is HOAX! ALL OF IT! The war on terrorism is out and out BOGUS! ALL OF IT! Did you all know that Madrid bombings were EXACTLY 911 DAYS AFTER 9-11? NO F*CKING ACCIDENT! No coincidence! We are dealing here with Satan worshipping MF’ers not only in our OWN gov’t but worldwide, who want one world gov’t and one religion,i.e. worshipping Satan and enslaving the world population and they want to slaugher 80% of world’s population too! Go to Prison Planet. com and READ and HEED! And stock up on food, water, and lots of ammo and guns too! ASAP! But don’t panic! And buy some gold and silver coins too! 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB WITH HELP FROM ISRAELI MOSSAD, WHO FLEW THOSE PLANES! Google: Daniel Lewin! Neo-cons WERE involved but fucking treasonous Dem’s some of them, ALSO are traitors for keeping voting with Bush and for NOT wanting to impeach him and Cheney,too! And for siding with Bush all the time! WAKE UP SHEEPLE, MAJORITY IN CONGRESS ARE ALL, ALL ON SAME SIDE, JUST PHONEY ARGUING TO MAKE US SHEEPLE THINK THEY ARE ENEMIES BUT IN REALITY ALL ON SAME SIDE! OR F*CKING MOST OF THEM ANYWAY! SPREAD WORD QUICKLY AND WIDELY! PLEASE STOCK UP ON ALL SURVIVAL GEAR AND ASAP! Including guns and lots of ammo!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:10 amVote RON PAUL 08!!!!! Keep people like this from ruining our country even more.
June 21st, 2007 at 2:17 pmComment by 9-11 truther — June 21, 2007 @ 11:10 am
You were asked 1 simple question 4 times.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 amYou don’t have an answer after 6 years.
Best of luck with that for the next 6.