President Bush vetoes stem cell bill.
For the second time, President Bush has vetoed popular legislation to expand federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. To win some political cover, Bush also will issue an executive order “intended to encourage scientific advances in regenerative medicine.” But as the New York Times notes, “the effort appears largely symbolic — there is no money attached — and some scientists were instantly skeptical.”
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June 20th, 2007 at 1:43 pm#1 Comment by Frank J — June 20, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Yeah…that’s great. Now those embryos can be destroyed the way gawd wants them destroyed…just as it says in the bible.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:48 pmHe’s an IDIOT!!!!
It’s better to THROW AWAY CELLS, then to use them for research…….
MORON!!!!!
Where the hell is Oswalld when you need him the most??
June 20th, 2007 at 1:48 pmRepukes will LOSE big on this issue in 2008.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:49 pmSo once again Chimpy McFlightsuit goes against what 70% of right thinking Americans want.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWhat comes around goes around, Chimp.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:50 pmOf course we shouldn’t force Americans to pay for research they don’t want. What is with the left lately wanting to force the average American to do, think, and buy what the left feels is right. What happened to make the left think Americans don’t enjoy free choice and free markets?
June 20th, 2007 at 1:51 pmI see big pharma got their money’s worth from Bushie.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:51 pmStem cell embryos are the size of the period at the end of this sentence.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pmOver 70% of Americans disagree with Bush on this issue. Yet another trend.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pmGood.
Comment by Frank J — June 20, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Hi Frank
June 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pmWant to expand on this?
can’t say it better myself… this needs repeated:
For crying out loud, Bush’s objection to stem cell research has NOTHING to do with protecting the unborn, as these embryos are being destroyed and his veto does NOTHING to prevent it.
All Bush’s veto does is guarantee that private industry will get the right to charge us an arm and a leg for the cures that they come up with through PRIVATE funding of stem cell research.
Bush is opposed to making medical breakthroughs available and affordable to ALL Americans.
That’s the bottom line.
Comment by TheToonGuy — June 20, 2007 @ 10:04 am
… and i agree.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:53 pm.
Thanks, katy!
June 20th, 2007 at 1:54 pm“Of course we shouldn’t force Americans to pay for research they don’t want. What is with the left lately wanting to force the average American to do, think, and buy what the left feels is right. What happened to make the left think Americans don’t enjoy free choice and free markets?
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 20, 2007 @ 1:51 pm”
I guess see you, like most Repubs, bring up “free market”…..
So why is it that under a free market I PAY MORE????
When the govt. regulated the electric, it was better maintained and controlled….. Under your “free market” they let the equipment degrade and wait until they have to fix or replace it.
You people always YELL that the LEFT want to make you do things you don’t want to….. Yet, I have NOT ONCE HEARD any of you YELL and scream about the ILLEGAL taxing of personal income that the MOB, umm the govt. FORCES you to pay.
You can’t have it both ways….. Though you would like too…..
June 20th, 2007 at 1:56 pmI guess this proves that the wacko reichwingers worship Dubya. If we pray for a solution to terrible diseases for years and one appears that Dubya disagrees with, it must be God’s will but not the will of Dubya the chief thug of the crime family. Do they worship God of money? The reason is taxpayer dollars? Give me a freaking break. These are the most hypocritical, greedy, evil, bastards on earth and they do in the name of the one who is going to be their judge.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:57 pmoh! … you’re so welome, toonguy…
i meant to add a note thanking you, but was so excited
to be able to use that comment, i clicked too soon!
glad you are ok with that… saved us both some time!
June 20th, 2007 at 1:57 pm…
Roger_Roger,
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3297755
“Of course we shouldn’t force Americans to pay for research they don’t want.”
Just because you don’t want it, doesn’t mean Americans don’t want it.
From the above poll “Most Americans long have backed stem cell research — 58 percent or more in ABC News/Washington Post polls since 2001. That’s peaked, at 68 percent support, in the latest ABC/Post poll to measure views on the issue, in April.”
Americans do want this!!!
June 20th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI don’t want to be forced to pay for an illegal and immoral war for the profits of the military industrial complex, but roger_roger is okay with that because he believes the lies of the thugs in the crime family. Go play in the traffic, moron.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:58 pmtoonguy,
You got it, but Chimp-In-charge and the rest of the relig-idiots will think they are saving babies so all is well. Ignorance is bliss.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:59 pmAnd since I don’t want to pay for SDI and improved nuclear weapons it’s not okay for BushCo to force me to pay my taxes.
Free market - yeah, right - I think I’ll choose which cable system to use, oh, wait, there’s only one available. I think I’ll buy a generic drug to keep me alive - oh, wait, the patent still has a few years to go, so I’ll pay premium price for that, too. Maybe I’ll search for much cheaper gas - nope, the best I can do is a few pennies.
Unless you’re the head of a corporation, independly wealthy or otherwise tied in to the oligarchy running the world, the whole free market thing is a crock - you are at the mercy of the military-industrial- government complex just like the rest of us. To believe otherwise is delusional.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:59 pmGeorge W. Bush IS a disease and the entire world could make use of a quick, absolute and somewhat humane cure.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:00 pmRemvoeBush,
Try to to argue with Roger too much, he really is one of the Dumbest mother f-ckers I’ve ran across in my 42 years of life, the only one dumber is Daryll.
Roger you never came back and debated on the economy thread yesterday, how come?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:01 pmRoger_Rhetoric sez:
But what if a majority of Americans do want it, RR?
Yeah! Why should I have to do what the majority wants, anyway?
(On a related note, RR, I’m against the Iraq occupation. How about I just stop paying taxes, since I don’t care to fund this illegal and immoral war of imperialist aggression?)
What happened to make you think that Americans don’t have a say in where their tax dollars go?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pm* * *
this is for all the troolls out there… please make a copy from the link and pass it on to your friends and relatives for ALL to sign…
… please.
Stem Cell Research Living Will
I hereby certify that neither I, nor any member of my family, including but not limited to: children, grandchildren, cats, dogs, etc. and any “after acquired” family will never, ever, under any circumstances (even with my fingers crossed) take or ingest any form of drug treatment or medical breakthroughs that are in any way associated with or connected to Stem Cell research.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:05 pm[…]
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/ 2005_05_22_patriotboy_archive.html#111717017590938015
…
(scroll up to the top of that page for a great cartoon)
.
You got it, but Chimp-In-charge and the rest of the relig-idiots will think they are saving babies so all is well. Ignorance is bliss.
Comment by DUHryll
That’s the big lie as far as this debate goes. Not a scrap of truth to it, but that’s what they’re going to hang their justification on. Because if they went on the true reasons for opposing this legislation - making sure the results of this research are kept safe for corporate gouging, then they know they’d wouldn’t have a prayer.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThe world awaits this Emperor Fools exit from the world stage.
Heaven forfend he creates another 9/11-like event and declares martial law (which he can do, by law, that ReichWingNutScumBalls passed, and the Toy Emperor signed).
And the Dems don’t want to impeach? Geez.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:07 pmBelieve me, I am not one for income taxes. Furthermore, 58% are in favor, which means 42% are against. Why would we force this 42% to pay when we have a valid alternative? The free market is already pumping out research in this field. This allows people like yourselves to invest in this research and it also allows the many Americans that are morally against it to not be forced into paying for it.
The Iraq war is not the same however as we don’t have a free market willing to pony up the billions of dollars and 250,000+ soldiers to fight the war. I am looking at this from an obvious logical spot. We have a tool for this research to be done without forcing any American against it to pay for it. Why is that such a bad thing?
The government should only be allowed to force Americans when no other entity is willing to do it for us. When the free market is already covering something, it is very wrong to force Americans that are morally against it to pay. How can you not see that?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:07 pmPerhaps Frank Jake or one of the other “conservatives” here can tell me why there is no outcry about the regular destruction of excess embryos from fertility clinics?
You know that they are destroyed every day, right?
If they are examples of human life too precious to be used in stem cell research, then why is it okay for these facilities to just toss these “babies” in the trash?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pmA sad day. Bush, we support this research to cure current disease and future unknown maladies. How can you be so cruel to humankind?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:10 pmIf it has to do with saving lives or saving the enviornment this idiot will Veto it.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:10 pmAn old rat, cornered at last…
June 20th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI’m savin’ DOTS for Jeeeezus!!
June 20th, 2007 at 2:13 pmRamboTroll asks the the Democratic question:
Would our “chimpy” president sign one of our bills if we attach a banana or tape on a bag of peanuts?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:14 pmPraise His Holy War God’s Name!!!
Next veto? Any legislation that would stop tax subsidies of big oil.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:15 pmRoger,
What’s morally wrong is drug companies, and profits coming before the health and well being of any human on this planet.
That’s where govt comes into play, it doesn’t requirea profit. It runs for the benefit of it’s people, something you’ll never understand.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:15 pmVeto the BabyBush!
June 20th, 2007 at 2:16 pmIt is unfortunate.
Roger does have a valid point about people being forced to pay for things that they find morally problematic. The problem is that this should cut both ways. I see serious moral problems with my tax dollars going to fund a war in Iraq. I, as a “non-believer,” have problems with my tax dollars going to faith-based initiatives. But these things are not on the chopping block as a violation of this same tenant by the conservatives. They are using an argument selectively to promote another viewpoint, without applying it universally to other viewpoints.
If the open market let taxpayers choose whether to fund the Iraq war or stem cell research, I’d be cool with that.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:17 pmCan you think of any person more deserving to develop parkinsons disease and have a grandchild develop juvenille diabeties than George W Bush??
I can’t either…
June 20th, 2007 at 2:19 pmThe moron forgot Jesus was a healer, not a blood thirsty Preznut. How many people have to Bush crime family killed with their endless failed policies of building weapons and starting wars for oil.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:20 pmThey are using an argument selectively to promote another viewpoint, without applying it universally to other viewpoints.
Kind of like ignoring the bible when it’s too weird but stressing other parts that are only partly weird.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:22 pmAnd adding on to my post #37…
In post #27, Roger says that since there isn’t a private sector entity willing to fund the Iraq war, or provide troops for the war, that the government should do it. This entirely skips the question of whether it should be done. In a strict open-market viewpoint, if there isn’t a private enterprise able to do this, then it shouldn’t be done. The open-market relies on an informed public that makes wise decisions about how to allott funds to promote their best interest. If the private sector can’t raise the resources necessary for the Iraq war, why should it have been waged?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:23 pmThis is what happens when you have Politicians that believe in the “Magical Invisible Guy in the Sky”. There is no God, it is made up, fiction, not there, not answering you prayers. I never like voting for anyone who thumps the bible, just shows that they are not rational and are superstitious.
You can believe what you want, but don’t put your false gods on me.
IGNORE THE TROLLS - Debate good, Trolls suck
June 20th, 2007 at 2:24 pm#38 -
The only issue is chimps can’t get Parkinson’s disease and the twins probably have had a few two many STDs to get pregnant anyway.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:24 pmRoger Roger
Don’t expect these “hypocritical, greedy, evil, bastards” to pony up and take the crowbar to their wallets. They are either welfare cases looking for another handout or feel good limousine liberals who want everyone else to pay but give very little. In either case they are takers.
They are not bright enough to understand that if this research showed half the promise they have been brainwashed into believing it has then there would be more research dollars then would be needed.
This is simply an oportunity to make political hay out of peoples suffering.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:30 pmIf anyone in the Bush or Cheney family needed Stem Cells to live the law would change. Bush could care less about the health needs of the American people. If you aren’t rich that’s your problem. Notice how many rich people go overseas for medical treatment that the US wont give.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWith Karl Rove’s new one party system the American people who aren’t rich will be owned by a Master. As Barbara Bush said you people should be glad we allow you to have some food. No worries for those who want to go to heaven looking at the GOP heaven wont be crowded.
#37 I also have a problem with money going to faith based crap as that is equally wrong. The Iraq war is completely different however as the markets cannot do what the government does thus our government has a need to force taxpayers to pony up. Faith based programs, Stem cell research, Abortions, etc. are all things the private sector can do on their own thus the Government should be paying ZERO. Why force anyone to pay for this stuff they find morally wrong when the private sector can do it for us?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:39 pm#41 the free market isn’t allowed to wage offensive wars by law. Are you interested in changing that?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:40 pmSpit Take
June 20th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYes indeed I and many others object to the destruction of embryos for the purpose of invitro fertilization but the cat is out of the bag and public funds are not being used.
Embryonic stem cell has not cured anything period.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWell, it’s too late to reverse George W Bush’s brain damage. There are no stem cells strong enough and healthy enough to give the boy Bush a brain.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:49 pmRoger_Roger,
“Why force anyone to pay for this stuff they find morally wrong when the private sector can do it for us?”
There are certain things that the private sector doesn’t do efficiently. Worse, there are things that the private has motivation to do because of the economic reality of the situation. Case in point, Big Pharma has little incentive to find cures for diseases when they make a fortune treating those diseases.
If the private sector is so good at doing all these things without regulation or a push, why do we have to pass laws that subsidize Big Oil and Big Pharma? They shouldn’t need our help right?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:50 pmYes indeed I and many others object to the destruction of embryos for the purpose of invitro fertilization but the cat is out of the bag and public funds are not being used.
Comment by Troll — June 20, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Since when does “public funds” have anything to do it? Abortion is called “murder” by the right even though it’s privately funded. What’s the difference here? Why is the destruction of these embryos not decried with the same fervor?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:51 pmFlaco
“Embryonic stem cell has not cured anything period.”
And the cure for polio never cured anyone, until it was researched and discovered. You have to do the work first.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:52 pmOf course we shouldn’t force Americans to pay for research they don’t want. What is with the left lately wanting to force the average American to do, think, and buy what the left feels is right. What happened to make the left think Americans don’t enjoy free choice and free markets?
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 20, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
70% of Americans DO WANT to fund this.
70% of Americans DO NOT WANT to fund the Iraq war.
You lying sack of liquid sh!t.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“I also have a problem with money going to faith based crap as that is equally wrong. The Iraq war is completely different however as the markets cannot do what the government does thus our government has a need to force taxpayers to pony up. Faith based programs, Stem cell research, Abortions, etc. are all things the private sector can do on their own thus the Government should be paying ZERO. Why force anyone to pay for this stuff they find morally wrong when the private sector can do it for us?
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 20, 2007 @ 2:39 pm”
That’s where your WRONG!!!!!
Since this war is about OIL, then let the OIL companies hire Malitia’s to fight their war….
Our Constitution only allows for the military to protect the US, not OIL.
And if you don’t think we are not paying Malitia’s in Iraq and Afganistan, then you truely are crazy.
Sorry, but the “free market” is only worth while when the govt. does regulate and ensure that the PEOPLE are not being taken advantage of.
I LONG for the days that govt. steps back in and regulates…… This way we will have EQUIPMENT maintained….. After all in a “free market” the only concern with the companies is the BOTTOM LINE, and the equipment is last! At lease with regulation they are REQUIRED to ensure that the equipment is maintained and held above a standard of a 3rd world country……
I see that MONEY is more important to you than people!!!!!!
What will you do when the equipment is so warn out that the companies cannot deliver service to you because it will cost to much to repair???? Just think of the money that you would have saved by having just 10 cents of your taxes going to ensure that these companies maintained their equipment……
The problem is with your logic is that you apply “free market” to everything!!!!
Only those things that are NOT REQUIRED for basic life can function in that fashion…….
June 20th, 2007 at 2:55 pmkaty - great cartoon. Heysus (Jesus) does one heck of good job on his blog.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:56 pmSince when does “public funds†have anything to do it? Abortion is called “murder†by the right even though it’s privately funded. What’s the difference here? Why is the destruction of these embryos not decried with the same fervor?
Comment by spit take
June 20th, 2007 at 2:57 pmHey idiot Planned Parenthood recieved over 300 million for abortions from the US goverment, privately funded?
Roger (in response to #46 and #47),
No, I don’t think that the private sector should be allowed to wage wars (although, considering the mercenaries of Blackwater and other security companies, the line does appear to be blurring). Still, the open-market premise of cost-benefit should apply. If an informed public is not willing to pony up the resources, the war certainly shouldn’t be waged because it will force people that are not willing to fund it into funding it. The mechanism for this could be war-bonds or whatever. I don’t know if the funding could be raised for the Iraq war, but even if it could have been, it would not have been raised from an *informed* public. There is plenty of evidence that shows that intentional or not (personally, I think it was intentional, but it doesn’t matter) the public was uninformed of the realities of the need to go to war with Iraq. Had the public been informed, they surely would have rejected the funding. Well, unless the oil companies would have financed it, hoping for a huge return on taking the Iraqi oil… which is where the whole idea that the open-market provides what is best for a society fail. The open-market provides what is best for members of a society based upon how much they have to invest… Still, the open market does have some merits.
As for the #46 post, as long as the government is in the business of funding projects that some people oppose morally, they should try to pick the ones that are supported by the most people and will yield the greatest benefits to society. That’s why it is unfortunate that the stem-cell stuff was vetoed. The government is currently taking my “non-believer” dollars and investing them in faith-based crap instead of stem cell research. Until the system is repealed as a whole, the federal stem cell funding would at least get my money (and a lot of people’s money) flowing to where we’d put it if we had an open-market decision on the issue. That would at least be a small win.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:58 pmWould our “chimpy†president sign one of our bills if we attach a banana or tape on a bag of peanuts?
Comment by RamboTroll — June 20, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
ROFL - only if it comes with a beer.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:59 pm#51 Giving hand out to Big Oil and Big Pharma is equally wrong. I am completely against it. To those that want to get rid of the free markets, I suggest moving to China. It would be easier for you to simply jump into an already communist country then to change the USA to a communist country IMO.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:01 pm“To those that want to get rid of the free markets, I suggest moving to China. It would be easier for you to simply jump into an already communist country then to change the USA to a communist country IMO.
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 20, 2007 @ 3:01 pm”
Who here has suggested “getting rid of free markets”?????
Most have suggested more govt. control/regulation on those that DIRECTLY effect peoples lives…. Such as:
OIL
HEALTHCARE
UTILITIES
DRUG COMPANIES
These are the largest companies in America that effect our lives more than anything….. Yet they are OFTEN given money, when they don’t need it, and provided free reign…..
When a company does not have to worry about the people when they DIRECTLY effect their lives then they need to be regulated.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:06 pmR_R
Speaking of China… in China, the bodies of the Chinese are owned by the government. Prisoners are executed by a single bullet to the head so that the body’s organs can be removed and used for organ transplants. Also, the corpses of Chinese are sold and sent to Australia to be used as cadavers in medical schools. This is all part of China’s “free market”.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:11 pmNeocon reply: “Hey! I know that kid!”
June 20th, 2007 at 3:13 pmStem cell embryos are the size of the period at the end of this sentence.
Comment by Tom3 — June 20, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
I thought they looked like snow flakes.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:14 pmHey idiot Planned Parenthood recieved over 300 million for abortions from the US goverment, privately funded?
Comment by Flaco — June 20, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
You’re saying that all abortions are publicly funded? Or that the privately funded ones you have no problem with? Pay attention, IDIOT.
If you’re going to make an IDIOTIC comment about my post, at least TRY to make it about the POINT I was making — not some IDIOTIC attempt at misdirection. BONEHEAD.
Unless, of course, you have no good answer for my question.
Oh, that’s it? Okay then. Now your hostility makes sense.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:17 pmbush vetoed to fund bush’s war…. go figure.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:17 pm#58 This is where we differ. I believe that any program the private sector can accomplish that Americans find morally wrong (Stem Cell, Religion, Abortion, etc.) we should not allow the government is participate. My opinion is that even if the private sector will cost $$$ more money it is better we allow Americans that are morally against this stuff to not be forced. The Iraq war is a completely different Animal. Government is and should be the only one allowed to wage offensive wars. The only way we the people stop wars is by elections. Social programs that Americans are morally against but the market can accomplish seems like a very easy fix. TP groupies can invest in the companies doing this research. Conservatives can invest in Church’s. The government can stay out of it. This allows us to not force any American into a really rough spot.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pmBTW, I fully support Stem cell research and I am pro choice
June 20th, 2007 at 3:19 pm#66 - now wouldn’t that be ironic… if the illegal Iraq war spending was hidden in this stem cell bill and boy Bush just vetoed it. Just wishful thinking.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:21 pmNine of the ten states that get the most federal tax dollars and pay the least are red states. Eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most are blue states. Courtesy of annotatedrant.com.
Who are the takers?
June 20th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#70 I don’t like any takers. We should never take from one group to provide handouts for another be it big Oil or Entitlement programs.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:28 pm#70 I don’t like any takers. We should never take from one group to provide handouts for another be it big Oil or Entitlement programs.
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 20, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
But you like taking from the less advantaged to give to the ultra wealthy…like the Bush tax cuts…now that is really biblical since the Bible mentions helping the needy and poor well over 2000 time and doesn’t mention abortion or gay marriage once.
Hypocrite on the board!
June 20th, 2007 at 3:35 pmOkay here is an idea:
America gets together a census of who is in favour of stem cell research, and who isn’t.
Those who are in favour pay a small, voluntary amount in with their taxes specifically to fund stem cell research. Those who are against it, don’t have to pay a red cent.
When cures get developed, those who were in favour get to use those cures. Those who weren’t, don’t.
There, problem solved.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:38 pmAnd the fact that your precious ‘free market’ has no interest in paying for the Iraq war doesn’t tell you that it’s a losing proposition?
June 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pmFRGGIN ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING…….
THAT’S WHAT I AM WITH OUR TRUSTY SERVANTS
HOODLUMS I SAY
FRIGGIN TOTALLY CORRUPTED
AND YEAH THEY SERVE THE PEOPLE ALL RIGHT
LIKE SPILLING CORRUPTION ALL OVER THE GREASE DUMPS
THAT’S THE KIND OF SERVICE WE GET FROM THESE POLITICAL
PARASITES
FRIGGIN CORRUPTION SPILLED ALL OVER THE FRIGGIN GREASE DUMP
THAT’S THE KIND OF SERVICES WE THE PEOPLE GET
AND I LITERALLY CALL THEM HOODLUMS DUDE, FRIGGIN CORRUPT
June 20th, 2007 at 3:47 pm“There, problem solved.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 20, 2007 @ 3:38 pm”
That’s great, but you know that when the time comes to try and get the benefits of the cure and they are denied because they did not believe in it then, they will claim discrimination and file a lawsuit to open it up to everyone…..
After all the work would be done then and they could reap the benefits………
June 20th, 2007 at 3:47 pmspit take
To help you understand why prolifers do not protest against the destruction of embyos in fertility clinics I offer this.
Liberals decry the overpopulation of the planet, why do they not speak out against the vast sums of money and resources used to overcome fertility problems particularly when the humane and rational thing to do in cases of infertility is to adopt?
Unfortunately people are more emotional than rational. Fertility and child bearing are such emotionally charged issues that any who dare challenge the status quo from the left or the right would immediately be seen as heartless. It is a losing battle.
BTW The public funding of planned parenthood and big oil should stop also. As a libertarian I also object to faith based initiatives.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:48 pmSmafdy
See http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/ cfp/ db/ generosity.php?year=2004
and see who the real takers are.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWHAT I’M SAYING DUDE IS WE THE PEOPLE GET FAR FAR SUPERIOR
SERVICE AT MCDONALDS
COMPARED
TO WE THE PEOPLE GETTING SERVICE FROM THE HIGH CLASS HOUSE OF
INTEGRITY ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY………
WE GET THE FRIGGIN SERVICE OF CORRUPTION SPILLED ALL OVER THE
FRIGGIN GREASEPITS.
CONSITIUTIONAL SERVICE - LIKE A GOD DA** OBSOLETE PIECE OF PAPER
DO WHAT I SAY I’M ALMIGHTY GOD.
FRIGGIN HOODLUMS I SAY, FRIGGIN TOTALLY CORRUPTED AND EQUIVALENT
June 20th, 2007 at 3:53 pmTO THE FRIGGIN GREASE DUMP, WE THE PEOPLE GET THE FRIGGIN GREASE
DUMP FOR SERVICE
#72 HAHAHA
Cutting someones taxes is NEVER taking away from someone. You are simply althoughing people to keep more of what they earned. Just because we historically robbed certain groups and gave handouts to others doesn’t mean that money belongs to the takers. It always belonged to those that got it taken away.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:56 pmHIGHEST CLASS HOUSE OF THE LAND
CORRUPT
HIGHEST CLASS DEPT. OF UTMOST “LEGAL” , TRUTH/INTEGRITY
CORRUPT
SENATE/CONGRESS
BOUGHT OUT TOTALLY FRIGGIN BOUGHT OUT
DEPT OF DEFENSE
TOTALLY CORRUPTED
FDA/EPA AND THE REST OF THE BLOAT
BOUGHT OUT, SOLD OUT, AND TOTALLY CORRUPTED
DEPT OF ULTIMATE WISDOM (EDUCATION)
CORRUPTED
MONETARY DEPT’S
TOTALLY FRIGGIN BOUGHT OUT AND TOTALLY CORRUPTED
AND ALL THE WONDERFUL SERVICES WE ALL DESPERATELY NEED
YET FRIGGIN CAN’T GET
THIS MAY EXPLAIN WHY WE THE PEOPLE GET THE FRIGGIN GREASE PITS
FOR SERVICE, ALL THE FRIGGIN CORRUPTION GOING DOWN
GUESS THE DEMOCRATS HAVE RESTORED INTEGRITY TO SERVE US, BUT
THINGS WENT WRONG WITH BEING OFF THE TABLE
REAL QUICK
ALL FRIGGIN CORRUPTED LIKE A COMPLETE CESSPOOL OF PARASITES DUDE
June 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmWould the boy Bush veto this stem cell bill if pappa Bush was diagnosed with Parkinsons? Just asking.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:59 pmkasinca
June 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmThe bible encourages people to care for the needy from their hearts. It does not proscribe a robbin hood mentality.
“Cutting someones taxes is NEVER taking away from someone. You are simply althoughing people to keep more of what they earned. Just because we historically robbed certain groups and gave handouts to others doesn’t mean that money belongs to the takers. It always belonged to those that got it taken away.
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 20, 2007 @ 3:56 pm”
It can be, and in this case it is…….
When the middle class or poor are FUNDING this war and they get a very small tax break compared to corporations, then it is a problem…..
When the tax cut is 2%, this you would say is FAIR!!!! WRONG!
When someone makes MILLIONS, they should have to bear a little more of the burden…… Simply because they are afforded MORE tax loop holes and can in the long run keep more of their money. Where the “little guy” has to give up his money and hardley gets any of it back.
Nice try…….
NEXT!
June 20th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWow - this thread has been captured by the trolls who now control the content of the discussion. This is so removed from the fact that the boy Bush really doesn’t care about the lives of others.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:01 pmkasinca
June 20th, 2007 at 4:04 pmA flat tax would simplify the issue. All would pay the same percentage accross the board.
In 83 I meant prescribe sorry
June 20th, 2007 at 4:11 pmDUDE
I AM REFERRING TO THE ISSUE OF THE
VETO
RELATED
TO STEM CELL BILL
HOWEVER I AM ALSO RELATING TO THE QUALITY OF SERVICE WE THE
PEOPLE GET FOR A 66% PAYMENT FOR ALL THOSE WONDERFUL SERVICES
jimbo DUDE IS ROCK SOLID TRUTH/INTEGRITY AND WHAT I’M SAYING DUDE
IS WE THE PEOPLE GET THE FRIGGIN CORRUPTION SPILLED ALL OVER THE
GREASE DUMPS
FOR SERVICE DUDE
NOW ANSWER ONE QUESTION FOR YOURSELF, CAN YOU EVEN RECALL ONE
SINGLE SERVICE BUSH/CHENEY HAS RENDERED TO YOU
OR HAS IT ALL BEEN FRIGGIN CORRUPTION AND THE FRIGGIN DUMPS DUDE
WHAT I’M SAYING IS IT IS UNBELIEVABLE BUSH/CHENEY AIN’T IMPEACHED
DUDE… THIS IS SO FRIGGIN CORRUPT IT’S ENOUGH TO BARF/PUKE THEM OUT… BUT YOU CAN’T… THEY EVEN RIGGED THE DOJ AND IRAQ AND STEM
CELL, IT’S ALMOST ALL FRIGGIN CORRUPTED DUDE
JIMBO DUDE
ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY
ROCK SOLID TRUTH (unless you get some fast smooth shifty eyed)
jimbo dude ROCKS
ps: fast smooth, shifty eyed lawbreakers refers to all the friggin lawbreaks
June 20th, 2007 at 4:13 pmcorrupting the hell out of the system, literally a bunch of shisters, swindlers,
hoodlums, like the GD piece of paper that’s obsolete, friggin throw them
all in the friggin SLAMMER + bulldoze k street so we can begin getting services once again
#86. It would not be as big a problem if the cronies in the upper 2% were not the ones who own the military industrial complex and the oild companies. Here we have the government cutting handouts to the needy, as you say, and giving handouts to the corporate whores. The logic doesn’t hold up. Look at a pie chart of the payouts. The stupid logic the wingers get from FAUXNOIZ and lard assed, drug addled university is laughable.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pm83. Those principles in the Bible are only to be practiced in the church life, but that stops at the work life or government life? What kind of logic is that? How many lives do you live? Are you a good person to some and an asshole to others? You believing to throw a buck in the collection plate at church and not willing to help a neighbor in need? Is it easier for us all to pick up a brother in need than to leave it to others? Wingers need some help in Christian living.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
June 20th, 2007 at 4:35 pmA Flat tax would be a very good solution indeed. Obviously those making more money should pay more, but not a bigger percentage. A Flat percentage tax across the board would also give more Americans a stack in our government. Right now 90%+ of all government funding comines from around 5% of the population. This is incredibly wrong and very dangerous. A flat tax should be someone all Americans would cheer for. No illegal income tax at all would still be the best solution, but we have way to many communist for that to ever pass.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:40 pmR_R - a flat tax would mean that you would be paying more per capita of your hard earned dollars that the rich.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:49 pmRoger (#67),
I understand your point about letting the private sector handle a lot of what federal funds are going toward. It’s a general libertarian type of view point, and I think it has some merit. On this issue, though, the reason why I am upset is that currently, my tax funds are disproportionally going toward things I don’t want compared with things I do want funded. The ultimate would be letting the private sector fund all this stuff, but since that’s not happening, this bill was a way to bring federal funding more in line with how funds would be distributed in a open-market… It’s sort of like saying the funds Mr. Conservative has to donate to stem cell research cancel out the funds that I have to donate for faith-based crap.
On the issue of war, I don’t know why you say elections should be the only way to check wars. Why can’t the government be forced to raise money through voluntary contributions? I agree that the government is the only entity that has the authority to wage war, but I think it should only be done so long as enough people are willing to fund it.
This would at least help some people out of the “rough spot” you’re talkign about.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThere, problem solved.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 20, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
That’s great, but you know that when the time comes […]
they will claim discrimination and file a lawsuit […]
Comment by RemoveBush — June 20, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
ya think? … think they might just employ some dirty
“trial lawyer” to try to make that happen?…
why shore they would… … f’n hypocrites…
June 20th, 2007 at 5:14 pm…
With the rest of his day ahead of him maybe he could go out and stomp on some kittens. He’s just so darn compassionate:)
June 20th, 2007 at 5:17 pmBush said: “America is a nation founded on the principle that all human life is sacred. And our conscience calls us to pursue the possibilities of science in a manner that respects human dignity and upholds our moral values.”
This is pretty sick and demented from someone who is proud to be a “war president”. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid to see the irony.
June 20th, 2007 at 5:31 pm“This is pretty sick and demented from someone who is proud to be a “war presidentâ€. Too bad the Republicans are too stupid to see the irony.
Comment by Willy — June 20, 2007 @ 5:31 pm”
Don’t forget he also said:
“Sometimes money trumps peace”. Meaning the Iraq war……
June 20th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThis veto and anti-abortion laws violate my First Amendment rights against the establishment of religion. Laws which restrict actions involving pre-birth conditions are based on the religious aspect of the situation, and therefore violate the First Amendment.
It is immoral NOT to use embrionic cells for medical research that would be destroyed anyway.
Much like the ‘gays in the military’ debate where it’s better that we’re attacked rather than a homosexual prevent it, the vainity of the self-righteous permits a twisted logic that it would be better for the cells to be destroyed than used to ease suffering.
Christianity has been hijacked by the power-hungry self-righteous.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:20 pmJesus would be disappointed.
This veto and anti-abortion laws violate my First Amendment rights against the establishment of religion. Laws which restrict actions involving pre-birth conditions are based on the religious aspect of the situation, and therefore violate the First Amendment.
You are not restricted from doing anything. You are free to use your own money on stem cell research to your heart’s content.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:35 pmSo once again Chimpy McFlightsuit goes against what 70% of right thinking Americans want.
How many of those 70% don’t pay a cent in income taxes? Their opinion is dismissed!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pmSince when does “public funds†have anything to do it? Abortion is called “murder†by the right even though it’s privately funded. What’s the difference here? Why is the destruction of these embryos not decried with the same fervor?
It has everything to do with it. The lefties are lying to you when they label this a ban on anything.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:40 pmThat’s great, but you know that when the time comes to try and get the benefits of the cure and they are denied because they did not believe in it then, they will claim discrimination and file a lawsuit to open it up to everyone…..
Other countries leech off Prescription drug research in the US by strongarming the corporations with an iron fist. Let them do this stem cell voodoo!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:43 pmHow many of those 70% don’t pay a cent in income taxes? Their opinion is dismissed! Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
What about the 30% of corporations and wealthy individuals that don’t pay income tax? dismissed? Because that would gut much of the GOP power structure!
So now you’re saying that people that are disabled have no right to vote or have an opinion that is to be heard?
You’re saying that people that are retired have no right to vote or have an opinion that is to be heard?
You’re saying that people pay other taxes, but not income taxes also don’t have a right - what about no taxation without representation?
Wow, you’re not very *american* - little nazi f*cker.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:12 pmOther countries leech off Prescription drug research in the US by strongarming the corporations with an iron fist. Let them do this stem cell voodoo! Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Didn’t you hear? Big Pharma does almost no drug research (at least none that yields results) in the us. Most new drugs come through startups and universities, and government funded programs (like the ones you want to axe - f*cker), and those startups get *bought* by the big marketing machines. Or didn’t you know how the *real-world* worked? Dum bass?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:14 pmIt has everything to do with it. The lefties are lying to you when they label this a ban on anything. Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
And the righties are st*pid dum bass idiots, that believe religious zealots, and ignore reality.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:15 pmLet them do this stem cell voodoo! Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
How do you get the pins in those tiny masses of undifferentiated cells?
June 21st, 2007 at 1:05 amEmbryonic stem cell has not cured anything.
June 21st, 2007 at 2:06 pmWhat about the 30% of corporations and wealthy individuals that don’t pay income tax? dismissed? Because that would gut much of the GOP power structure!
Name 3 corporations and 3 wealthy individuals who didn’t pay any income taxes.
June 21st, 2007 at 4:36 pmYou’re saying that people pay other taxes, but not income taxes also don’t have a right - what about no taxation without representation?
“Other” taxes aren’t going to pay for stemcell research. Income taxes are.
June 21st, 2007 at 4:37 pmDidn’t you hear? Big Pharma does almost no drug research (at least none that yields results) in the us. Most new drugs come through startups and universities, and government funded programs (like the ones you want to axe - f*cker), and those startups get *bought* by the big marketing machines. Or didn’t you know how the *real-world* worked? Dum bass?
Research isn’t easy when it costs $800 million to bring a drug to market, especially when governments are forcing to you firesell your drugs at ridiculously low prices, stealing your intellectual property, and forcing you to take a loss on your hard work.
June 21st, 2007 at 4:40 pm