McClatchy’s military analyst Joseph Galloway writes:
The president and his men, and Rumsfeld and his, happily put Abu Ghraib behind them and went merrily along knowing that the network of secret CIA prisons where high-value prisoners were subjected to extreme interrogation techniques was still secret.
The examples made of Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric K. Shinseki and Gen. Taguba weren’t lost on military commanders in the field or at home: If you dare speak truth to power in this administration, your career is toast, and any hopes you have of landing a cushy job in one of the defense industry behemoths are finished.
It’s long past time for Congress to reopen the matter of who’s really responsible for Abu Ghraib and let the chips fall where they may - even if that means they pile up around the retirement home of a former secretary of defense or the gates of the White House itself.
YES! THATS WHAT WE NEED!!! MORE INVESTIGATIONS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO REPERCUSSIONS or ANYONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE! WAY TO GO!
June 20th, 2007 at 8:43 pmThank you for beating this horse!! It is ALREADY dead and is stinking up the place…. What was the name of the female commander who lost her job?? anyone….anyone??
June 20th, 2007 at 8:47 pmKarpinski…
June 20th, 2007 at 8:55 pmRE-OPEN…..shine a light on these cockroaches
You couldn’t open that can-o-worms wide enough. BRING IT ON.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThank you for beating this horse!! It is ALREADY dead and is stinking up the place…. What was the name of the female commander who lost her job?? anyone….anyone??
Comment by valiant venus
You’d like that. Neocons hate oversight. You people are the ones that have allowed this country to lose its reputation as a world leader in human rights.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:59 pmIt’s not the “horse” that we want to beat, it’s the “horse’s a**” behind it.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:04 pmHey, mighty valiant aphrodite venus, is the torture in our name as funny as the dead baby jokes you tell?
well if the democrats had any balls they would, but unfortunately we are stuck with the neutered ones who fail miserably to stand by their guns in the face of this criminal White House and then congratulate themselves for nothing while tucking tail and running back up under the porch.
We don’t have a party of the people anymore, we just have the republicans and the “republican lites”. That is what having a democratic consultant will do for you. They will tear the balls right off of any democrat in office or trying to get into office.
So as with the Gonzales hearings where we get a first hand vision of how corrupt this White House IS, nothing will be done, because if you’re looking for the democrats to do something, boy have you picked the wrong horse, and the wrong group of horses asses.
When Nancy “we won’t give George Bush a blank check” Pelosi puts impeachment back on the table, then, maybe then, just maybe, I might believe something will be done about these blatant criminals. But as long as impeachment is off the table NOTHING, repeat NOTHING is going to be done to this criminal administration!!!!!
They have sold us out.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:05 pmReally, it’s just time for IMPEACHMENT.
Come on guys.
IMPEACH!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:07 pmLet’s open up another investigation of 9/11 also … get it ALL out there. Could the American people handle the truth?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:10 pm#9, most americans are too pussified to handle any other truth than paris getting 45 days in jail….. anything else would be too shocking.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:11 pm#7, foolme1ns
I really hate to agree with you but you hit the nail on the head with your comments. As soon as January 2007 rolled by with Pelosi’s “impeachment is off the table,” I was floored. That meant, to Pelosi, that Bush is above the law.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:14 pmwake up and smell the rancid crap that covers DC. Stop wasting the time calling for hearings, special prosecuters or any of the other fraudulent crap that passes for “oversight”. They are all in bed with each other and the only questions are: Who is going to be on top and how do we split up the pie?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:16 pmYjis country is a dead issue. Dead. is there anyone out there that doesn’t think that us bugs will be squashed as soon as we step too far over the line.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ gallup/ 2007/ 06/ what_do_hmos_an.html
New Gallup data show confidence in Congress at all time low
June 20th, 2007 at 9:18 pmJust 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress.
Thank you for beating this horse!! Comment by valiant venus — June 20, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
You aren’t a *horse*, you’re a jack*ss. As for you getting beatings, we all know that’s the only way you get the big Onion-Ring - c*nt…
It is ALREADY dead and is stinking up the place…. What was the name of the female commander who lost her job?? anyone….anyone?? Comment by valiant venus — June 20, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
What’s *dead* and stinking up the place, is your vile, putrid terrorism sympathizing wingnut extremism. You f*ckers could care less about illegal acts, as long as someone cuts your *taxes* and *daddy* tells you he’ll protect you from the big bad world. You’re nothing but a BORING st*pid, cowardly little c*nt - that’s so skanky, we call smell your stinky flesh over the internet. Shove that f*cking arrogant attitude up your sl*tty *ss.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:20 pmWhat was the name of the female commander who lost her job?? anyone….anyone??
Comment by valiant venus — June 20, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Why should we answer any of your questions. You refuse to answer mine.
Look familiar?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:26 pmhttp://profile.myspace.com/ index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
It’s Whack-A-Troll time!!! In this corner, Mighty Asswipe, AKA Valiant Venereal! In the other corner, all sentient creatures!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:30 pmDamn - you ‘d think she would get bored with being reviled and disrespected. I guess she likes it rough.
Abu Ghraib - up to 70 pct were in the wrong place at the wrong time and were released after being charged with nothing.
But you ram a broomstick up my butt while I’m in prison and ill fight you and yours to my last breath.
Creating terrorists - one broomstick at a time - Bush/Cheney 2000-2008
June 20th, 2007 at 9:34 pmVacuuous Venality looks kinda smashed there in front of those pinball machines……
June 20th, 2007 at 9:35 pm7
June 20th, 2007 at 9:40 pmI share your agony as many others do. We do not know for sure… yet - as the investigations are still in the process in revealing the smoking guns. I feel in time with enough evidence we may see some action.
Also, let’s not forget the good democrats such asKucinich
who wants to bring impeachment against Cheney first.
It might be time to start moderating your comments. (past time, really)
June 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pmIn January 2002 Bush declared that al Qaeda and Taliban suspects were a new kind of enemy, and he reversed the military’s order for Article 5 hearings by issuing an executive order establishing that all detainees in U.S. custody in Afghanistan were in one way or another associated with al Qaeda or the Taliban, and thus “enemy combatants.†The executive order also declared that detained al Qaeda suspects weren’t covered by any aspect of the Geneva Conventions.
Among the data revealed by the REPORT ON GUANTANAMO DETAINEES:
1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
2. Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive
affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
3. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;†30% considered “members of;†a large majority – 60% — are detained merely because they are “associated with†a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist group is unidentified.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected
enemies.
5. Finally, the population of persons deemed not to be enemy combatants – mostly Uighers – are in fact accused of more serious allegations than a great many persons still deemed to be enemy combatants.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pmGo for it, clear the air, let’s reveal the truth.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:42 pmSo what if they don’t like it.
What is our congress afraid of?
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Congress is useless …
When will TP report this?
New Gallup data show confidence in Congress at all time low
Just 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress.
This 14% Congressional confidence rating is the all-time low for this measure, which Gallup initiated in 1973.
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June 20th, 2007 at 9:54 pmLet them all loose!! They’re only terrorists!!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:59 pmImpeach, try, convict and, execute, the Bushies.
It’s not plausible. I’m not certain it’s a good idea. However, I think that history will judge any lesser sentence inadequate.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pmWhat was the name of the female commander who lost her job?? anyone….anyone??
Comment by valiant venus
Karpinski, you BLEEPIN’ idiot.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:01 pmIt’s Whack-A-Troll time!!!
Comment by SKdeA
Don’t forget that little “â„¢” thingy at the end of Whack-A-Trollâ„¢, SKdeA.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:03 pmLet them all loose!! They’re only terrorists!!
Comment by JT
Where??? Where???? Wait a minute, we haven’t locked THAT many Bushies up yet.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:04 pmThank you for beating this horse!! It is ALREADY dead and is stinking up the place….
Comment by valiant venus — June 20, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
What you guys are beating horses now in there?
Are those like Arabian horses or something?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:05 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — June 20, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Thanks BnF, I still get nauseous every time I see those pictures. But what happened to vv’s husband and kids and military career. Oh I know, it’s all fabrication.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:08 pmLet them all loose!! They’re only terrorists!!
Comment by JT — June 20, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
Really?
The tens of thousands who have been “processed” through Abu Ghraib, and its even worse sister, Camp Bucca, were “all terrorists”?
So why does the red cross say about 90 percent of them are just people turned in for money?
And why do we let thousands go at a time, after lengtjy stays riddled with extensive “interrogation” periods?
If they are terrorists, why are they released with no charges being filed?
I know why.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:13 pmYou mean tell the truth.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:28 pm12#, billjpa
Don’t throw in the towel just yet, billipa. We “bugs” were here long before ‘em two-legged critters known as Republicans and we’ll still be here long after they’re extinct in jall. We’ll do what we do best: bugged ‘em to death!
June 20th, 2007 at 10:33 pmStrange, ValianttheVenusHater thinks this is a dead horse issue and not worth reopening. And yet we are still charging a prosecuting minor Nazi concentration camp guards and operatives? Why are those crimes against humanity worth pursuing to the end of time but these crimes are of no consequence?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:47 pmnice armando, really nice. Bugs- ok, as good as anything else. but, go read the comments coming in and tell me that it ain’y just a bloody joke. Ya know why there are so many bugs? cause they don’t live long. im telling you- you may be right but I ain’t gonna cover that bet.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:48 pman example- just look at the way the lemings grab onto “the latest gallyp bullshit” My god- congress at 14%. Wow.!!
Guess what old bean- all that number represents is one more success for the controlled media. thats all. shift the focus and maintain control.
nope- its a dead issue.
I am shocked that I got at least one comment.
NOW OR LATER?
After we clean house in 2008 I hope various committees will continue to prusue these lawless bastards and either put them in jail or offer them up to international tribunals.
THIS ISN’T OVER!
June 20th, 2007 at 10:49 pmbilljpa,
…seething with frustration and the sense of hopelessness…
…shared by billions…
…but…
…JUSTICE always comes…
…maybe not when we want it to…
…but it comes…
June 20th, 2007 at 10:53 pmWe need to systematically explore day by day, year by year this administration routing out all the illegal actions, treasonous persons and ethical violations until every stone is overturned and scrutinized.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pmThey’re only terrorists!!
Comment by JT
I agree. People who run Abu Ghraib are terrorists.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:08 pmWhat is our congress afraid of?
Comment by celtic cynic
My guess. The elite ruling class will always procure to perpetuate themselves in power. Dems and Reps are two faces of the same coin: people in power. Now, if they execute the law as it should be done they would have to hang some people other than Saddam, but the thing is that, somewhere in the future, they could be the next ones. Thats is not a good thing. Ruling class will always protect their interests, even if it means to put in jail some middle size fishes. And of course, some people will go to jail, but thats only a PR display to put people at ease. Do you imagine what would happen if people start pressing on delicate issues? Let me introduce you to: martial law. When people gets too close to real democracy, the army goes into the streets. I know, I lived in Argentina and Chile and thats what happened there.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:15 pmWe need to re-open this investigation PRONTO. The libettes need a new excuse for crapping on the nearest soldier and this would fit the bill.
Libs…you just gotta laugh.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:19 pmOh look.
The nazi wannabee thinks we’re going to investigate the soldiers.
Or maybe its just wishful thinking.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:23 pmSorry Death Spiral.
You’re not gonna pin this one on the soldiers.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:24 pmForgot to add: Im new to this strange and otherworldly blog and I must admit Im a bit perplexed at the feverish and comically hysterical tone of most of the libtoons here. Where do you ladies get this shiite from?
Im in the wrong business, I should have been a psychotherapist. You lefteenies are a goldmine of potential business.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:24 pmForgot to add: Im new to this strange and otherworldly blog >/em>
Comment by Death Spiral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
And for those of you who believe that we have some nice parcels left in western Florida if you’re interested.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:26 pmIm not pinning anything on the soldiers, Im just waiting for the inevitable rabid reaction from the left (AGAIN) that the dozen fools who committed the crimes at AG are full and valid representatives of the entire military.
Dont bother trying to convince me that you love the troops, it just wont wash.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:28 pmIm in the wrong business,
Comment by Death Spiral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
You’re also in the wrong country.
I’d try Germany. I hear the Nazi party’s making a comeback over there.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:28 pmDont bother trying to convince me that you love the troops, it just wont wash.
Comment by Death Spiral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
I wouldn’t try to convince an idiot like you that the world wasn’t flat nimrod.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:29 pmIm not pinning anything on the soldiers,
Comment by Death Spiral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Sure you are.
You’re a peice of shit regular troll too much of a wimp to use your real handle, trying to start the same old tired right wing nazi bullshit you’ve been trying to sell in here all along.
We smelled you before you even crapped your way in here.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:31 pmYou piss on the troops, send them to die for your corruption and cowardice, and talk like a big patriot, when really you’re just a wimp.
You cry like a little girl about terrorists and stick your nose up Bush’s anus as far as you can get it.
You’re a joke.
Only no ones laughing.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:33 pmThe nazi wannabee
Heh, almost missed that one. Right out of the ‘Liberal Handbook for Dhimmitude and Passivity’ (volume two)©: “when you have no valid argument, brand your conservative opponent as a nazi”.
Here is the conundrum..what if I actually WAS a nazi, you would be simply be praising my status and the intended insult would fail. Try something else, I would suggest “warmonger” or “neocon fascist”. Personally I prefer warmonger, it has such a masculine tone.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:34 pmIm just waiting for the inevitable rabid reaction from the left (AGAIN)
Comment by Death Spiral
I have always wondered what do these idiots mean by Left? It is such a wonderful word to describe something they dont have a clue.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:36 pmPersonally I prefer warmonger, it has such a masculine tone.
Comment by Death Spiral
mmmm…gay issues in a neocon. Who could have though?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmIm not pinning anything on the soldiers, Im just waiting for the inevitable rabid reaction from the left (AGAIN) that the dozen fools who committed the crimes at AG are full and valid representatives of the entire military.
No, not the ENTIRE MILITARY.
On WAR CRIMINAL TRAITORS Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Gonzales, etc.
Gen. Janice Karpinski and Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, convicted as the fall “guys” said it was Rumsfeld, etc.
They BOTH had brilliant military records.
Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Gonzo are KNOWN TO BE TRAITORS and LIARS already.
I’d believe the GENERAL and the COLONEL first.
If YOU don’t, WHY do YOU hate the military and LOVE such
TRAITORS as Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Gonzo???
June 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmI didn’t say nazi idiot.
I said Nazi “wannabee”, which if you’d read your own post, you’d see you copied the word “wannabee” with your quote of me.
You’re not very smart, are you?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmPersonally I prefer warmonger, it has such a masculine tone.
Comment by Death Spiral
And no doubt, you need all the help you can get that one…
June 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmDeath Spiral, lol.
What a great handle. I like it.
All I wanna know is when you’re going to be done with the spiraling part.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:39 pmIm in the wrong business, I should have been a psychotherapist. You lefteenies are a goldmine of potential business.
Comment by Death Spiral
Actually DS, there is a new medical specialty that can give you the help you desperately need.
It’s called “psychoproctology”… it’s the study of WHY someone like you enjoys behaving like an ASSHOLE.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:39 pmHaysoos Marimba bart, you and the rest of whomever is included in “we” seem to have quite the language skills, Im impressed. “Wimp, nazi, POS, troll”…all the latest inclusions for the upcoming edition of ‘The Liberal Handbook for Dhimmitude and Passivity’ (volume three), due out in 2008. Amazon will be selling early release copies.
I didnt send the troops anywhere, Bush did. Wait…unless IM President Bush! Holy Gaia Earth Mother! Ill bet you never thought you would talk directly to the man responsible for everything from blowing up the New Orleans dikes to your toilet overflowing every morning.
Lucky you.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pmPersonally I prefer warmonger, it has such a masculine tone.
Comment by Death Spiral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Like that “masculine” stuff huh? Is that why you’re not in the army?
Oh well, whatever your fancy. Warmonger, pig, inbred dickhead…. they all work for me.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pmI didnt send the troops anywhere,
Comment by Death Viral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
Sure you did felonius.
When you voted for Bush, and every time you open your big fat inbred mouth in here supporting it.
But you keep telling yourself that.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:43 pmDeath Spiral finds it much saafer to man the keyboard here in the US of A then carry a M16 in Iraq. Kinda like all the trolls here.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:43 pmI have always wondered what do these idiots mean by Left
Ok, Ill take a stab at it.
“Left”-as in “left” reason and sanity behind long ago.
I could have used the left foot/right foot explanation that parents use with children but I figure that such a concept might be too advanced for a member of the “left”.
Heh, I crack myself up!
June 20th, 2007 at 11:44 pmHeh, I crack myself up!
Comment by Death Spiral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Well that works too.
I’d start with a jack hammer.
I have a feeling you’ll need it for the cranium.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pmpscychoprotology……..lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!
…..beeen a while…..
June 20th, 2007 at 11:46 pmyou really don’t have to be to smart to know it was approved by Rummy and Cheney. All the investigations in the world will end up with those two names. The soldiers who were jailed where scapegoats for the upper management. Remember the soldiers were taught how to torture by the contract soldiers. The media forgot to tell Americans Bush has hired thousands of contract soldiers to kill and torture. Our military troops were just following orders and for that they were put in jail for following the orders of Rummy. Save the ink and more on. Americans don’t care about the illegal torture just as long as it’s not done to an American soldier then there will be hell to pay. We can torture and kill but if someone does that to the US it’s called Axis of Evil.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:46 pmOff topic, but interesting POV about Palestine current situation.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:46 pmMcClatchy is still hanging in there as a credible news source. Get ‘em, McClatchy.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:47 pm#40 I hope not, but who knows. What the present government at this time and maybe can not understand at this point (which I do not believe) is that this world will be sucked in again another religious war.
Is this God’s way of reducing the population of the world, the survival of the ___?
Why can mankind just get along.
The difference, tech
June 20th, 2007 at 11:47 pmWhy are the wingnut trollies so worried about re-opeing the invesigation of Abu Ghraib? If there’s nothing to hide, there’s nothing to worry about, right?
Right?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:48 pmThe neocons pulled a fast one on the soldier who brought all the abuse to the attention of his superiors. It is army policy to keep their names secret but Rumsfield announced on national t.v. his name. Another threat to would be troops who did their job.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:49 pmWhoa…this has turned into a regular circle-jerk of liberal outrage. What, did bart get on his pink phone and call in the troops? You ladies need to get back to work, those latte machines dont operate themselves you know.
Hey upside, if I were too old or perhaps of a handicapped nature that I couldnt actually carry a rifle in Iraq, would you still allow me to have an opinion on the war?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:50 pmWhy are the wingnut trollies so worried about re-opeing the invesigation of Abu Ghraib? If there’s nothing to hide, there’s nothing to worry about, right?
Comment by Zooey — June 20, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Cause someone reminded them we hung the last cocksuckers that tried this crap.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:50 pmHey upside, if I were too old or perhaps of a handicapped nature that I couldnt actually carry a rifle in Iraq, would you still allow me to have an opinion on the war?
Comment by Death Viral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
But you’re not.
You’re just another chickenhawk right wing coward, with a big mouth and miniature balls, too afraid to fight the war you promote.
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Mark Twain
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June 20th, 2007 at 11:55 pmCause someone reminded them we hung the last cocksuckers that tried this crap.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
So they DO have something to hide!!
I knew it!
June 20th, 2007 at 11:56 pmSo Rumsfeldt cooks up this scheme to fool the world that he wasnt torturing people in AG, then he decides to allow cameras inside such a sensitive area? Makes sense…uh yeah…makes sense. Achoo!
AG was for the low-level jihadis, the really bad guys are now languishing in the secret CIA gulag systemâ„¢ somewhere in Mississippi. Keep your conspiracies straight, bitte.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pmSo they DO have something to hide!!
I knew it!
Comment by Zooey — June 20, 2007 @ 11:56
Yea. Their necks.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:59 pmWhy can mankind just get along.
The difference, tech
Comment by Joneses
The sad thing is that we assume that armed conflicts are motivated by religious goals. Thats simply wrong. Thats the flavor, but the content, as it has been proven every single time, is an economic goal. We speak about the clashes of civilization and religion. Thats BS.
For example, the jihadist case if it is really, really important to kill infidels, why Al-Sadr doesnt collabaorate to this goal by being the first one to do a suicide bombing? mmmm??? Anyone??? Because the whole Allah/Jesus stuff is crap. Now, the “western” case, if it is really a fight for survival, as it has been named by several supporters in the govt like GWB, why is he not fighting in the frontlines? I mean, I would fight to death if my family´s survival was on jeopardy. Everything is crap and propaganda, from both sides, in order to send the poor uneducated minions towards the path the ruling class (western and arab) wants.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:59 pmYou’re just another chickenhawk right wing coward, with a big mouth and miniature balls, too afraid to fight the war you promote.
You didnt answer the question, bart, so Ill try again on a slightly different tack. Take a swing at it if you have non-miniature balls.
Would a person (not me, in this case) who was too old, too young or of a handicapped nature to serve in the military be allowed to support the war? Would these be the ONLY people who can support it?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:00 amWould these be the ONLY people who can support it?
Comment by Death Spiral
It is called consequence. You have to be consequent with your ideas, otherwise you are hypocrite.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:02 amAnd to think, just over fifty years ago, Gen. MacArthur was fired because he wanted to drop some nukes on the Red Chinese, which would have precipitated, I presume, World War III, possiblyproviding an exclamation point to World War II, which had only ended less than ten years earlier.
So, in a perverse twist of Truman, George W. Bush fires one general, Gen. Shinseki, who called for too many troops (according to Rumsfeld) in preparation for our troops invading another country, and fires another general, Gen. Taguba, who was ordered to get to the bottom of the Abu Ghraib “torture” scandal, only to do too good a job, while having one hand tied behind his back, because he was not allowed to investigate who in the White House was actually responsible for the “torture” directives that led to the scandal.
In other words, while Gen. MacArthur was canned for being a little bit overzealous and slightly insubordinate, Gen.’s Shinseki and Taguba were fired for just doing their job, efficiently and competently, obeying orders to prepare for war based on one’s military expertise and sanity (Gen. Shinseki) or conducting an investigation into Geneva Convention violations at a White House-controlled prison in Iraq (Gen. Taguba).
One thing one can say, Bush is definitely no Truman, or Eisehnower, or FDR, or Reagan, or JFK, or…well, about any previous president who had some honesty, some integrity, some compassion and some sanity.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:03 amYou didnt answer the question, bart, so Ill try again on a slightly different tack.
Comment by Wormwood — June 21, 2007 @ 12:00 am
Oh didn’t I tell you?
Your question is moot, because you’re a big mouth chickenhawk peice of crap.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:03 amBut we’ll be happy to handicap you, so you can find out.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:05 amIn fact, I bet you could use a few months in Abu Ghraib yourself.
We’ll do everything in our power to make you comfortable, like smearing feces on you, putting womens underwear on your head, beating you senseless and then taking your picture.
You know. All the stuff you love.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:06 amIt is called consequence. You have to be consequent with your ideas, otherwise you are hypocrite.
Ahhh, I see. So support must have consequence, not only in this venue but presumably in all? No opinion allowed unless you face a direct consequence, huh.
When I expect the local police to shut down a meth-lab I must first place myself at the head of the team, swinging the breaching hammer to open the door? What a hypocrite I must be for expecting others to face danger while I simply watch from the safety of my house.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:07 amIn fact, bring the whole family.
Then we can force you to sodomize your father.
:|
Of course, that horse might have already left the barn.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:08 amYea. Their necks.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
They are right to hide their guilty necks. Doesn’t mean we won’t find them!
Sorry, I’m having wine. I think my edge is off…
June 21st, 2007 at 12:08 amWhen I expect the local police to shut down a meth-lab I must first place myself at the head of the team, swinging the breaching hammer to open the door? What a hypocrite I must be for expecting others to face danger while I simply watch from the safety of my house.
Comment by Death Spiral — June 21, 2007 @ 12:07 am
Well thats a trick question, since the meth lab they’ll be raiding will most likely be at your house.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:09 amYour question is moot, because you’re a big mouth chickenhawk peice of crap.
Your teachers certainly graded you highly for consistency, if nothing else. Dont worry, others seem to be picking up your slack.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:10 amSorry, I’m having wine. I think my edge is off…
Comment by Zooey — June 21, 2007 @ 12:08 am
Funny. Always seems to help mine.
:D
I’m watching “Lil Bush”.
A cartoon dedicated to our current sitting President, and the devastation he has made of our government, our country and Iraq.
:|
Funny stuff.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:11 amWhat a hypocrite I must be for expecting others to face danger while I simply watch from the safety of my house.
Comment by Death Spiral
Exactly.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:14 amFunny stuff.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
I saw a commercial for that at my son’s apartment this morning. It does look funny — no tv at my house. :)
The wine would normally help my edge as well, but I drove back home from Portland today, and I’m tired.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:14 amSorry, I’m having wine. I think my edge is off…
Comment by Zooey
Hey, hey, hey!!!! ;)
June 21st, 2007 at 12:15 amHey, hey, hey!!!! ;)
Comment by Juan C
Hey, hey, hey Juan! :D
June 21st, 2007 at 12:16 amYour teachers certainly graded you highly for consistency, if nothing else. Dont worry, others seem to be picking up your slack.
Comment by Duck Of Death — June 21, 2007 @ 12:10 am
Oh I’m sorry. Have I not been clear enough in expressing my absolute lack of all respect for you and the whore who had you?
My bad.
Please accept my apologies.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:16 am) saw a commercial for that at my son’s apartment this morning. It does look funny — no tv at my house. :)
Comment by Zooey — June 21, 2007 @ 12:14 am
Its actually hilarious.
But its also ground breaking.
This has got to be the first TV show ever dedicated to humilating a sitting President, and his entire family.
Last week, it showed Barbara Bush using little Dick Cheney as a dildo, and he ended up getting sucked up inside of her.
I am not making this up.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:20 amExactly.
Glad we agree that hypocrisy takes many daily forms. Try to remember that the next time you call the cops to deal with a dangerous situation, unless you plan on donning a vest and chasing down the armed felon yourself.
Of course, the next time I see someone barking about the plight of the downtrodden masses in some third-world stinkhole, Ill be sure to immediatly ascertain whether they are posting from a refugee camp in said stinkhole, doing their best to actually assist those they claim to support. I wouldnt want to think you would be guilty of..GASP!..hypocrisy.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:21 amLast week, it showed Barbara Bush using little Dick Cheney as a dildo, and he ended up getting sucked up inside of her.
I am not making this up.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Oh god, Mama Babs must be ever so pleased. :D
June 21st, 2007 at 12:22 amNever before have the people been so utterly disgusted with a sitting president, that they’d air a weekly television show dedicated to absolutely desecrating him, and his family. They even call them by name!
It is the most disgusting and simply beautiful show I’ve ever seen.
Because it sends a message. We no longer respect this man, his people and followers, or anything they do.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:22 amWow.
Death Spiral is in a frickin’…….er, death spiral.
Heh.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:23 amBecause it sends a message. We no longer respect this man, his people and followers, or anything they do.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Absolutely, Worf (?).
The message is loud and clear — to those with discerning minds.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:24 amMaybe they will finally release the videos, of underage Iraqi boys being raped, that Sid Hersh claims to have seen…
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/800
For those of you, whom want to see this war end, the release of these videos would do it for sure!
June 21st, 2007 at 12:24 amGlad we agree that hypocrisy takes many daily forms. Try to remember that the next time you call the cops to deal with a dangerous situation, unless you plan on donning a vest and blah blah blah blah blah
Comment by Chickenhawk Coward — June 21, 2007 @ 12:21 am
I see the nazi wannabee is still trying to explain why he’s not a coward for selling a war with his mouth that his body can’t cash.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:25 am“… then he decides to allow cameras inside such a sensitive area?”
Comment by Death Spiral
Hey, DS (could also stand for Dumb Sh*t, couldn’t it…) and you’re just the person to answer this one, is which GOP pervert got wood in his Depends looking at those photos?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:25 am#79, money and power always relate to religion or control over people re fear.
But money flows to the ones who create this. May God have mercy on your soul is what I am taught, after countless wrong, all they have to do is say I’m sorry, before they go to. . ., WTF
June 21st, 2007 at 12:25 amOh I’m sorry. Have I not been clear enough in expressing my absolute lack of all respect for you and the whore who had you?
You must have missed the memo from Kucinich..or was it Howie…whatever; Neocon Fascist Warmongers such as myself are created at a special lab in the basement of the Crawford Ranch.
You can find the memo in the archives at DNC.dum
June 21st, 2007 at 12:26 amFor those of you, whom want to see this war end, the release of these videos would do it for sure!
Comment by JPV
Somehow, I think the sheeple would find some hideous justification for this horror.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:26 amWow.
Death Spiral is in a frickin’…….er, death spiral.
Comment by Zooey — June 21, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Well I wish he’d hurry up and get done with the spiraling part and get on with the dying part.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:26 amWhoa…this has turned into a regular circle-jerk…
Comment by Death Spiral
At last, SOMETHING you’re qualified to talk about…
June 21st, 2007 at 12:26 amThey’ve got lil John Aschroft singing “Let the Eagle soar” in a camp talent show.
And they’re playing Jeb Bush as an incoherent babbling idiot.
Its sooooooooooooooo funny!
LIL BUSH ROCKS!
June 21st, 2007 at 12:27 amWell I wish he’d hurry up and get done with the spiraling part and get on with the dying part.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Or at least the shutting up part. That one definitely came from the bottom of the trollie barrel.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:28 amZoo, I had an idea. Once you are a little drunk, take some pictures.
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June 21st, 2007 at 12:29 amWhoa…this has turned into a regular circle-jerk
Comment by Meth Vile — June 20, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Thats right…. now open wide…
June 21st, 2007 at 12:29 amZoo, I had an idea. Once you are a little drunk, take some pictures.
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Comment by Juan C
My darling, I’m already a little drunk. :P
Pictures of what?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:30 amHey, DS (could also stand for Dumb Sh*t, couldn’t it…) and you’re just the person to answer this one, is which GOP pervert got wood in his Depends looking at those photos?
I love you ladies! You go to such great lengths in an effort to showcase your command of the english language and then ruin it by adding the asterisk in “Sh*t”. Stand tall and be proud of your abilities.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:31 amGeez, have you guys gone over and looked in on the the talk radio thread? Holy Shi-ite!!! It’s like army ants swarming all over Rush Limbaugh after he’s greased himself up w/ some lard and decided to take a nap in the sun… they’re up to over 1200 posts.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:32 amI love you ladies! .
Comment by Death Spiral — June 21, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Good. Then stop talking and open wide……
June 21st, 2007 at 12:33 amStand tall and be proud of your abilities.
Comment by Death Spiral
Indeed, Dead Wood… bend over and be true to your “conservative values”… what’s that ticking noise? Whoa… it’s Jeff Gannon’s wrist watch!
June 21st, 2007 at 12:34 amI love you ladies! You go to such great lengths in an effort to showcase your command of the english language and then ruin it by adding the asterisk in “Sh*tâ€. Stand tall and be proud of your abilities.
Comment by Death Spiral
We’ve been around TP long enough to know what gets caught in the f*ck filter.
Sorry you have no abilities.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:36 amPictures of what?
Comment by Zooey
I dont know. I did it once, and it was hilarious. Mostly pics of my friends and myself.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:36 amwhat’s that ticking noise? Whoa… it’s Jeff Gannon’s wrist watch!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 21, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Yea but why’s it coming from his mouth…?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:37 amI dont know. I did it once, and it was hilarious. Mostly pics of my friends and myself.
Comment by Juan C
Ok, I’m coming down there to take pictures of you and your friends.
Sneaky bast*rd!! :-D
June 21st, 2007 at 12:38 amI can’t believe this lame ass Republic-Bush-Bot-Rove-Troll Val Venus named himself after a lame-ass wrestling loser from WWF.
Good God, no wonder this nation is so far in the ditch.
-GSD
June 21st, 2007 at 12:39 amOk, I’m coming down there to take pictures of you and your friends.
Sneaky bast*rd!! :-D
Comment by Zooey
LMAO!!! :D
I had to give it a shot.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:39 amYea but why’s it coming from his mouth…?
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Hmmmm… well… both ends are connected, or… there could be a… ahem… more accurate explanation…
Tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock…
It’s kind of like The Tell-Tale Heart, isn’t it?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:43 amWell, unfortunately for me I seem to be dealing with the C-Team on the liberal debate squad.
So far 95% of the comments consist of “poopy head” and “Yeah! What he said!” Is this really the best I can expect here? Its sad, really. Im crying on the inside, honest.
Ill let you ladies get back to your..uh..cartoons.
Cartoons….why does that not surprise me?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:43 amWe’ve been around TP long enough to know what gets caught in the f*ck filter.
Sorry you have no abilities.
Comment by Zooey
Thanks, Zooey. You can’t expect a troll to understand that.
BTW, last night was hilarious… :-D!!!
June 21st, 2007 at 12:45 amIll let you ladies get back to your..uh..cartoons.
Comment by Death Spiral
You are free to go. Your only argument here was something about Libs and laughs. You know, deep and insightful. But keep it on, someday you might find OBL and those WMDs.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:46 amCartoons….why does that not surprise me?
Comment by Death Spiral
I’m sorry, but you haven’t made a comment worth replying to yet, D*#KHEAD… damn, there I go again, mit der astericks and the slanty thingy
June 21st, 2007 at 12:46 amsomeday you might find OBL and those WMDs.
Comment by Juan C
Right, sitting right next to Jeff’s wrist watch…
June 21st, 2007 at 12:47 amBTW, last night was hilarious… :-D!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Zoo, WTF is going on here? :^|
June 21st, 2007 at 12:47 amLMAO!!! :D
I had to give it a shot.
Comment by Juan C
I’d be disappointed if you didn’t. :D
June 21st, 2007 at 12:49 am.
Cartoons….why does that not surprise me?
Comment by Meth Trial — June 21, 2007 @ 12:43 am
It shouldn’t.
After all, you guys come straight out of a comic book.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:50 amZoo, WTF is going on here? :^|
Comment by Juan C
Ah… ah, nothing, yeah, that’s it, nothing… at… all… Juan C. Uh, next time you see Wayne Schneider, make sure to ask him “BTW, where’d you get that lump on your head from”?
And then offer him some of your onion rings…
June 21st, 2007 at 12:51 amZoo, WTF is going on here? :^|
Comment by Juan C
Not really sure, Juan. Was I drinking last night….? Heh.
He means this thread:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 06/ 19/ althouses-clinton-obsession/
June 21st, 2007 at 12:51 amWell, unfortunately for me I seem to be dealing with the C-Team on the liberal debate squad.
So far 95% of the comments consist of “poopy head†and “Yeah! What he said!†Is this really the best I can expect here?
Comment by Needs2UseDial — June 21, 2007 @ 12:43
Yup. Thats the best YOU can expect here.
You come in shooting off your mouth, calling US “libbetes”, and then cry when you get it back in spades.
Next time wimp, don’t open your big, fat mouth, if you’re too much of a sissy to take back what you put out.
Don’t like it?
Don’t start it.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:54 amCan’t handle it?
Then don’t come looking for it.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:56 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 21, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Comment by Zooey
Got it. You, Zoo and gummich were hilarious!!!
BTW, I was joking with the WTF comment and little serious face. :)
June 21st, 2007 at 12:59 amBy the way, just so their is no confusion, here is the crybabies first UNSOLICITED posts this evening.
———–
The libettes need a new excuse for crapping on the nearest soldier and this would fit the bill.
Libs…you just gotta laugh.
Comment by Death Spiral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
And then he posted this beauty immediately after the first.
Forgot to add: Im new to this strange and otherworldly blog and I must admit Im a bit perplexed at the feverish and comically hysterical tone of most of the libtoons here. Where do you ladies get this shiite from?
Im in the wrong business, I should have been a psychotherapist. You lefteenies are a goldmine of potential business.
Comment by Death Spiral — June 20, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
————-
Just in case anyone was thinking someone was unclear as to who started the “name calling”.
Republicans.
Always starting trouble, and the first to cry when it comes back to them.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:01 amIt’s like army ants swarming all over Rush Limbaugh after he’s greased himself up w/ some lard and decided to take a nap in the sun… they’re up to over 1200 posts.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
It is amazing, they must be scared of something. There’s no point in posting there though, way too much troll excrement stinking up the thread. And I don’t think they know how to read.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:02 amGot it. You, Zoo and gummich were hilarious!!!
BTW, I was joking with the WTF comment and little serious face. :)
Comment by Juan C
I know you were. :)
June 21st, 2007 at 1:03 amIt is amazing, they must be scared of something. There’s no point in posting there though, way too much troll excrement stinking up the thread. And I don’t think they know how to read.
Comment by shane
I put one on there, just cuz. :)
Hi shane!
June 21st, 2007 at 1:04 amCan you guys believe that wimp?
Zooey was write. They must have been scraping the bottom of the barrel to find this one.
He comes in, calling everyone names, and then, when he gets it back, he runs away crying that he got called names.
What wimps.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:04 amIm off, Zoo. Take care, my A+ student. ;)
Chau, everyone. Be well.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:07 amIm off, Zoo. Take care, my A+ student. ;)
Chau, everyone. Be well.
Comment by Juan C
Goodnight, Juan. You’re a sweetie. :)
June 21st, 2007 at 1:10 amI put one on there, just cuz. :)
Hi shane!
Comment by Zooey
You put one on that long thread? Now I have to go read another 200 comments to find it - yeesh.
Glad you made it home safe. Do you miss television yet?
June 21st, 2007 at 1:12 amYou put one on that long thread? Now I have to go read another 200 comments to find it - yeesh.
Glad you made it home safe. Do you miss television yet?
Comment by shane
Nah, don’t bother. It’s drivel.
I made it home in 6.5 hours — a record! I don’t miss TV, but I miss the highspeed internet. Oy….
June 21st, 2007 at 1:13 amHe comes in, calling everyone names, and then, when he gets it back, he runs away crying that he got called names.
What wimps.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
It amazes me how often that happens. They show up calling us “libtards” and “cut & runners,” but get all pouty when we throw it back at them. Frickin’ weenies.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:15 amAbu Ghraib Abuse Photos:
http://www.thememoryhole.com/war/iraqis_tortured/
Let these pictures burn into your soul if you have one. Don’t ever forget!
June 21st, 2007 at 1:26 amI’m hammered.
Goodnight all!
June 21st, 2007 at 1:29 amIt amazes me how often that happens. They show up calling us “libtards†and “cut & runners,†but get all pouty when we throw it back at them. Frickin’ weenies.
Comment by Zooey — June 21, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Frickin weenies.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:33 amIf we don’t trust the report Gen. Taguba put in, why do we trust what he says now?
June 21st, 2007 at 1:38 amIf there’s nothing to hide, there’s nothing to worry about, right?
Didn’t a certain prosecutor make such statements against a Lacrosse team?
June 21st, 2007 at 1:40 ammake such statements
SHOULD have read a “Similar Statement”
My apologies
June 21st, 2007 at 1:52 amBin Laden may have arranged family’s US exit: FBI docs
Osama bin Laden may have chartered a plane that carried his family members and Saudi nationals out of the United States after the September 11, 2001 attacks, said FBI documents released Wednesday.
The papers, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, were made public by Judicial Watch, a Washington-based group that investigates government corruption.
One FBI document referred to a Ryan Air 727 airplane that departed Los Angeles International Airport on September 19, 2001, and was said to have carried Saudi nationals out of the United States.
“The plane was chartered either by the Saudi Arabian royal family or Osama bin Laden,” according to the document, which was among 224 pages posted online.
The flight made stops in Orlando, Florida; Washington, DC; and Boston, Massachusetts and eventually left its passengers in Paris the following day.
In all, the documents detail six flights between September 14 and September 24 that evacuated Saudi nationals and bin Laden family members, Judicial Watch said in a statement.
“Incredibly, not a single Saudi national nor any of the bin Laden family members possessed any information of investigative value,” Judicial Watch said.
“These documents contain numerous errors and inconsistencies which call to question the thoroughness of the FBI’s investigation of the Saudi flights.
“For example, on one document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 20 of 23 passengers on the Ryan International Airlines flight … on another document the FBI claims to have interviewed 15 to 22 passengers on the same flight.”
Asked about the documents’ assertion that either bin Laden or the Saudi royals ordered the flight, an FBI spokesman said the information was inaccurate.
“There is no new information here. Osama bin Laden did not charter a flight out of the US,” FBI special agent Richard Kolko said.
“This is just an inflammatory headline by Judicial Watch to catch people’s attention. This was thoroughly investigated by the FBI.”
Kolko pointed to the 9-11 Commission Report, which was the book-length result of an official probe into the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington that killed nearly 3,000 people.
“No political intervention was found. And most important, the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals that left on chartered flights. This is all available in the report,” Kolko said.
On the issue of flights of Saudi nationals leaving the United States, the 9-11 report said: “We found no evidence of political intervention” to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals.
The commission also said: “Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.”
Meredith Diliberto, an attorney with Judicial Watch, said that her group had seen a first version of the documents in 2005, although the FBI had heavily redacted the texts to black out names, including all references to bin Laden.
Nevertheless, unedited footnotes in the texts allowed lawyers to determine that bin Laden’s name had been redacted. They pressed the issue in court and in November 2006, the FBI was ordered to re-release the documents.
Diliberto said mention that “either” bin Laden or Saudi royals had chartered the flight “really threw us for a loop.”
“When you combine that with some of the family members not being interviewed, we found it very disturbing.”
June 21st, 2007 at 2:10 amLink to the 9/11 Osama FBI Documents:
June 21st, 2007 at 2:33 amhttp://www.judicialwatch.org/ archive/ 2007/ Saudi%20Docs%202.pdf
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/23812
Soldier in Iraq Resists the Occupation
Submitted by davidswanson on Wed, 2007-06-20
Nonviolent Resistance
On June 19, 26 year old SPC Eli Israel put himself at great personal risk by making the courageous decision to refuse further participation in the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Eli told his commanding officer and sergeants that he will no longer be a combatant in this illegal, unjustified war. Eli believes that the U.S. government used the attacks of September 11, 2001 as a pretense to invade Iraq and that “we are now violating the people of this country (Iraq) in ways that we would never accept on our own soil.” Eli is stationed at Camp Victory in Baghdad with JVB Bravo Company, 1-149 Infantry of the Kentucky Army National Guard. This soldier’s decision to refuse orders puts him at great risk, especially because he is in Iraq, isolated from legal assistance and other support. The following is a message that Eli sent yesterday to a friend back home:
“I have told them that I will no longer play a ‘combat role’ in this conflict or ‘protect corporate representatives,’ and they have taken this as ‘violating a direct order.’ I may be in jail or worse in the next 24 hours.
Please rally whoever you can, call whoever you can, bring as much attention to this as you can. I have no doubt that the military will bury me and hide the whole situation if they can. I’m in big trouble. I’m in the middle of Iraq, surrounded by people who are not on my side. Please help me. Please contact whoever you can, and tell them who I am, so I don’t ‘disappear.’”
Eli is taking an incredible risk by refusing orders in Iraq and will most likely be court martialed. Please help him by contacting his Senator and requesting that he take any steps necessary to support and protect this soldier and ensure that the Army respects his rights and does not illegally retaliate against him.
http://senate.gov/ general/ contact_information/ senators_cfm.cfm?
State=KY
Bunning, Jim- (R - KY)
(202) 224-4343
Web Form: bunning.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Email
McConnell, Mitch- (R - KY)
(202) 224-2541
Web Form: mcconnell.senate.gov/contact_form.cfm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/ discuss/ duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×1149346
June 21st, 2007 at 3:08 amLet’s take care of the earth.recycling, enviornmental, wastes, reuse, computer recycling, buy/sell, international trade, equipment, match, manufacturing, scarp metal, metal recycling, machinery, hardware
http://www.recyclesources.com
June 21st, 2007 at 6:17 amYou gotta love McClatchy news. It’s the only news organization that comes close to doing any investigative reporting and who speaks the truth. Keep up the good work guys.
So Rumsfeldt cooks up this scheme to fool the world that he wasnt torturing people in AG, then he decides to allow cameras inside such a sensitive area? Makes sense…uh yeah…makes sense. Achoo!
I doubt that those pictures were “official” pictures. They were pictures that the soldiers took with their personal cameras as “souvenirs”. I don’t think that they “allowed” the cameras to be there. But, I bet after the scandal broke, the military started searching the soldiers working at AG before they went on duty.
So, back to the drawing board for you. Perhaps you can come up with a more intelligent argument to defend the indefensible.
June 21st, 2007 at 9:26 amMore investigations? For what? The current hearings have done absolutely nothing to hold this Administration accountable. Both Conyers and Leahy’s hearings have been a bust. They refuse to get tough and continue to play nice which plays into the hands of the regime and demonstrates the Dems incompetence.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:19 amIrina, the army would not be taking “illegal” action against this young man by court martialing him. If he violates the UCMJ (still the military guide, although antiquated), he is still subject to punishment under it’s law. He signed the contract, he knows this. Not doubting his intentions, nor am I calling him any bad names, but if he makes this bed, he must lie in it.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:34 am