Snow On Stem Cell Veto: ‘This Is The President Putting Science Before Ideology’
Snow On Stem Cell Veto: ‘This Is The President Putting Science Before Ideology’
Today, President Bush issued the third veto of his presidency on legislation expanding funding for embryonic stem cell research, which recently passed Congress with a bipartisan, overwhelming majority.
Faced with the opposition of nearly two-thirds of Americans, White House spokesperson Tony Snow today attempted to spin the veto as a positive development. Snow claimed that Bush has a “unique and unprecedented role” in supporting stem cell research, and attacked critics for “misstating” the administration’s policies, claiming that Bush was in fact “putting science before ideology.”
In an attempt to drum up support for less potent alternatives to embryonic stem cell research, Snow falsely characterized the science behind stem cell research, claiming scientists “are not even entirely sure about what the possible benefits of embryonic stem cells [are].” Watch it:
Snow’s claim doesn’t pass the laugh test. Contrary to what Snow says, Bush has held a backwards and overly ideological perspective on scientific research. In 2001, Bush neutered the ability of scientists to engage in stem cell research by curbing funding for new embryonic lines. In 2006, he vetoed legislation lifting those restrictions. Even Bush’s top scientists have criticized him for these actions.
Currently, “not a single scientist who is pursuing research on any kind of cell has said that research involving embryonic stem cells should stop.” And scientists have seen potential treatments from embryonic stem cell research for a variety of ailments.
The only thing stopping federally-funded stem cell research from progressing is the White House’s insistence on putting right-wing ideology ahead of science.
UPDATE: More on the administration’s misinformation here and here.
Transcript:
QUESTION: But is it a way to try to, kind of, counter critics who are…
SNOW: No, because I think what happens is the critics quite often who make those complaints are, whether deliberately or not, misstating the nature of the president’s commitment to stem cell research and paying little or no heed or giving no credit to the president’s unique and unprecedented role in supporting stem cell research.
QUESTION: Here’s one of these critics today, Tony. Senator Clinton said: This is just one example of how the president puts ideology before science, politics before the needs of our families, just one more example of how out of touch with reality he and his party have become.
SNOW: Boy, that sounds awfully general.
You want to read that again for me?
QUESTION: This is just one example of how the president puts ideology before science…
SNOW: OK, stop right there. This actually is the president putting science before ideology.
…
QUESTION: So are you suggesting there’s a scientific basis for believing these alternatives might be more advantageous than the embryonic stem cell…
SNOW: As I said, what you hear from scientists is it’s — they’re not entirely sure. In fact, they’re not even entirely sure about what the possible benefits of embryonic stem cells is, because, again, they’re notoriously difficult to control.
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I know you mean well, but publishing this fool’s lies may be the only place they get read.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pmHUHHHHHHHH?????????? Tony, Do you REALLY believe this sh!t?? If so, you gotta get back to your Doc and have him cut back on the Chemo dosage………..
June 20th, 2007 at 6:25 pmIf science found a way to use stem cells, which can now be extracted without an embryo, and it cured cancer would you Tony be for it?
Yes I know your job is to push current policy.
And Tony, really my friend. You should consider taking time off and enjoying your family. I have seen all to many people die from cancer. Take it easy, till the garden, enjoy life, relax. (and I don’t mean this politically)
June 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pmSomebody shoot that man!
June 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pmSnowflake’s daily dose of down is up and black is white.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:26 pmHow many times of swimming against the strong current do they need until they realize maybe they are wrong? That’s why the current goes against them.
Of course, this from the administration that “carefully obeys the law.”
Except for all those times they broke the law.
We chat about politics and logic like this at our Idaho Falls focused website.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:28 pmIn fact, they’re not even entirely sure about what the possible benefits of embryonic stem cells is, because, again, they’re notoriously difficult to control.
Its like going to the moon. Its a huge gamble, spaceships are difficult to control, but we don’t know until we tried =). We have cured many diseases over the decades, lets not doubt what we do not yet know.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI think Tony just got his words mixed up, he meant to say idealogy before science.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:31 pm‘This Is The President Putting Science Before Ideology’
Tony “snowjob” Snow
Here we go again. Black is white. Wrong is right. Down is up.
No Tony. This is the President, putting ideology before science.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pmHere’s the point … these embryos are headed for the trash ANYWAY. So unless they outlaw that, how about using them instead of just putting them in the garbage?
June 20th, 2007 at 6:32 pmPissin on our heads.
Tellin us its rain.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe Whitehouse constantly says “They’re not entirely sure” “They’re not entirely sure” “They’re not entirely sure” when talking about scientists or other people. How about YOU guys get YOUR facts straight, then you can start talking about what other people aren’t sure about.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:33 pm“how about using them instead of just putting them in the garbage?
Comment by MIke — June 20, 2007 @ 6:32 pm”
Don’t you know….. That is where GOD intended them to be…..
(Sarcasm off)
June 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pmBushCo and the rest of the mob family can say and do say anything they want to as long as the whore press sitting in front of old Tony continue sucking up like the traitors that they are.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:34 pmMy brother died of colon cancer and I know what this pathological liar is going to face soon.
RoboTroll 3100 reports:
Black is White.
Up is Down.
Religion entwined in government is what the Founders intended.
Liberals who disputes these truths want the terrorists to win.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pmAhhh, goddddammmit.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pmMy WTF-Incredulometer siren just went off.
Be back soon, going to Lowe’s to buy new glass for the garage windows.
SnowJob:‘This Is The President Putting Science Before Ideology’
And in other news, up is down, black is white, cats and dogs are sleeping together.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pmSnow, of all people, should understand what hope means to hundreds of thousands of people in this country who are potential recipients of whatever comes of this research. He himself is the beneficiary of research, and owes his life today to those who committed themselves to clinical trials that would offer future patients hope. Mr. Snow’s remarks are smug and sanctimonious.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pmI never thought that there could be a person dumber than W. It looks like Tony’s colon cancer has infected his brain, short trip when one considers where he keeps his head.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:39 pmthis dying sick man looks worse by the day…. Rove keeping him out there as many will not be so hard, as needed now, on the White House spokesperson? Exploiting the sick and dying??
June 20th, 2007 at 6:39 pmIn a way, it’s good the wingnuts are in the limelight. At a certain point, the insanity becomes totally obvious.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:40 pmThe daily Tony McSnowjob, WH Spokes Liar, lie of the day.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:41 pmWOW more crazy opposite talk policy.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:41 pm#18 Mr. Snow’s remarks are smug and sanctimonious.
Comment by Candyce —
Of course they are, he was trained at the Smug and Sanctimonious Liar Institute, better known as Faux NoNooz and Entertainment Academy.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:41 pmReligion entwined in government is what the Founders intended.
Liberals who disputes these truths want the terrorists to win.
Comment by RoboTroll 3100 — June 20, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
The terrorists have won. They’ve turned our leaders into cowards and butchers, and the dream that was America, is slowly slipping away to nazi pigs like you.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:43 pmThis is “deja vu all over again” for me. When I was in Vietnam, we had what was called the 5 O’Clock Follies, where the military would troop out some stooges with charts and maps and feed the press full of sh!t and never crack a smile.
The difference was that some of the reporters (mostly from other countries than the US) would ask some embarrassing questions, that never would get answered.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:45 pmRUCerious — what kind of WTF-Incredulometer do you have? Is that a Clarkman?
June 20th, 2007 at 6:45 pmExactly as Bin Laden predicted we would, right after 911.
That prediction by the way, is on the video tape they won’t show you any more.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:46 pmGood point, connection. Just like scientists “aren’t entirely sure” about the Theory of Evolution. Nor are they “entirely sure” about global warming. Heck, 30 years ago, they “weren’t entirely sure” that smoking causes cancer.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:46 pmI disagree. I believe the President made a gut decision based on ideological views. The President has just proven that he is for Jesus instead of Satan.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pmRoboTroll 3100 responds:
#25 BARTLEBEE — thank you for your feedback. My talking points are programmed three times a day, remotely from the command center at Republican National Committee Headquarters. If you have an issue with my postings, please take it up with them.
Thank you.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:48 pmThe President has just proven that he is for Jesus instead of Satan.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
You mean the President has just proven that his thinks he is Jesus but is instead really Satan?
June 20th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI disagree. I believe the President made a gut decision based on ideological views. The President has just proven that he is for Jesus instead of Satan.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Hey, everybody, Daryll’s here, and the thread isn’t even about homosexuals!
Thanks for contributing, Daryll. We’ll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pmDaryll, and you are for being crazier than a Laura! Satan has already taken over our government, just look at Darth and Lynn Cheney for proof of that. Plus PudeBoy Rover is an avowed Athietst.
Go back to the dark crypt of your mother’s basement and let us adults handle the heavy lifting!
June 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pmGood point, connection. Just like scientists “aren’t entirely sure†about the Theory of Evolution. Nor are they “entirely sure†about global warming. Heck, 30 years ago, they “weren’t entirely sure†that smoking causes cancer.
Comment by Damian — June 20, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Hmmm…. You mean the Tobacco companies scientists, right? The rest of the scientific community had no doubts, nor do they have any doubts on evolution or global warming.
The only doubts are from the uneducated trailer park inbreds that make up the remaining 15 percent of the neocons still supporting the pig in the white house.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:51 pmThanks for contributing, Daryll. We’ll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.
Comment by spit take — June 20, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
When we want his opinion, we’ll give it to him.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmBartlebee, our Founding Fathers founded America based on biblical standards so deal with the President’s decision, and get saved.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:52 pmBartlebee & Spit take,
Looks like Daryll just got a 3 shot salvo on his first ascention from the crypt today.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:53 pmReligion entwined in government is what the Founders intended.
Liberals who disputes these truths want the terrorists to win.
Comment by RoboTroll
such crap… this could not be further from the truth… read your history and you will see MUCH effort was put into the constitution to ENSURE religion would NOT play a part in government.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:53 pmThe President has just proven that he is for Jesus instead of Satan.
Comment by Daryll
I would ask you and the president to keep both Jesus and Satan out of my Secular Government.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:54 pmBartlebee, our Founding Fathers founded America based on biblical standards so deal with the President’s decision, and get saved.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll, this is so completely bass-ackwards and wrong it’s difficult to know where to begin. Try to find an American history text not written by some Bible-thumping loon and get your head straight. In the meantime, just shut and try to learn something.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:55 pm#25 BARTLEBEE — thank you for your feedback. My talking points are programmed three times a day, remotely from the command center at Republican National Committee Headquarters. If you have an issue with my postings, please take it up with them.
Thank you.
Comment by RoboTroll 3100 — June 20, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
:|
Ok.
I’ll drop in to the RNC headquarters next time I get a sec. Is that the place with the big flaming eyeball at the top?
June 20th, 2007 at 6:56 pmUpside00, you’re right . Satan has taken over our government, and it is all because of liberal views.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:56 pmBartlebee, our Founding Fathers founded America based on biblical standards so deal with the President’s decision, and get saved.
Comment by Daryll
WRONG!!!!!!!!!
June 20th, 2007 at 6:57 pmChristians are not supposed to lie, dummass
Better dust off your old history books you never read and read them this time
cats and dogs are sleeping together.
Comment by Wayne —
I have actually seen cats and dogs sleeping (ie. resting–not sex) together. As for Bush putting science ahead of ideology, I chuckled at that one. Yeah, this administration is so-oooo pro-science.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:57 pmBartlebee, our Founding Fathers founded America based on biblical standards so deal with the President’s decision, and get saved.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Our founding fathers would have strung Bush up on the capital lawn by now nimrod.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:57 pm#40 – I would ask you and the president to keep both Jesus and Satan out of my Secular Government.
Comment by Wayne
Sorry too late Wayne, see my post above and the fact that Satan (and Mrs. Satan) are already IN your government, in Darth and Lynn Cheney!
June 20th, 2007 at 6:58 pmSatan has taken over our government.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Yea but we’re trying to impeach him.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:58 pmI don’t see the problem. Hold a vote to override the veto. If Republicans stay on board then Bush finally gets a legislative kick in the teeth. If Republicans step into party line and the over-ride attempt fails then it is just another case to hold against them come election time. After all, Republicans CLAIM they are distancing themselves from Bush yet continue to act like slaves. It’s hard for them to keep making that claim if they continuously act as Bush enablers.
June 20th, 2007 at 6:58 pmBlack is white, up is down, war is peace. Bible thumbing loons….I knew he was out of his mind when he said God told him to attack Iraq. (er ah GW, there is no God it is made up, a fairy tale sorta like Santa)
IGNORE THE TROLLS – Debate good, Trolls suck
June 20th, 2007 at 6:59 pmTony’s Karma just ran over his Dogma!
I DID NOT PRAY FOR TONY’S RECOVERY FROM CANCER!!!
I KNEW HE WOULD COME BACK WITH HATE!!! IN!!! HIS!!! HEART!!!
PH*CK YOU TONY!!!!!#$$$$
WHY DOES TONY SNOW(JOB) HATE AMERICA???? AND DEMOCRACY????
June 20th, 2007 at 7:00 pmDaryll: “…our Founding Fathers founded America based on biblical standards…”
Thomas Jefferson: “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes”
James Madison: “In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.”
John Adams: “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
June 20th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI’ll drop in to the RNC headquarters next time I get a sec. Is that the place with the big flaming eyeball at the top?
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Its in the basement of Darryl’s Church, next to the gates of Hell
June 20th, 2007 at 7:01 pmWayne, it is my job to spread the word of Jesus Christ.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:01 pmRoboTroll 3100 responds:
#39 had enough — thank you for your feedback. My talking points are programmed three times a day, remotely from the command center at Republican National Committee Headquarters. If you have an issue with my postings, please take it up with them.
Thank you.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pmThere are only two commandments encoded into U.S. law: don’t kill and don’t steal. 2 out of 10.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pmSatan has taken over our government.
Comment by Daryll
That’s why we want to impeach Satan, err Cheney.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWayne, it is my job to spread the word of Jesus Christ.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Great.
When are you going to start doing that?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:04 pmDaryll, you are not having a very good day here. Nobody is buying what you are selling. Just run along and not let reality and truth delude you any longer!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:04 pmDaryll: “Wayne, it is my job to spread the word of Jesus Christ.”
Really. What’s the salary for that “job?” And, who pays you?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:04 pmWayne, it is my job to spread the word of Jesus Christ.
Comment by Daryll
You’re doing a crappy job.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:05 pmYou just make your extremism look retarded.
Daryll: “Satan has taken over our government.”
Finally, we can agree on something!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:06 pmBuck Fush, so you stating that God didn’t tell President Bush to liberate the Iraqis? When did he give you this message? Do you have the gift of prophecy?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:06 pmUpside00, you’re right . Satan has taken over our government, and it is all because of liberal views.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
What “liberal views” would those be, Daryll? Take care of the poor? Love thy neighbor? Forgive those who do us harm? Strive for peace among men?
Hmm… I didn’t realize Satan sounded so much like Jesus.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmDudryll,
Actually read this..
Our godless constitution:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050221/allen
June 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmReligion entwined in government is what the Founders intended.
Liberals who disputes these truths want the terrorists to win.
Comment by RoboTroll
This big LIE – government entwined with religion … are you hoping if said enough, the masses – the young dumbed down ones will start to believe it? Very little government is now taught in the public school system. The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves if they read your comment and saw what the evil doer Neocons have unconstitutionally done to our country.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:07 pmHey lets give him a chance people. If he says he’s going to start spreading the words of Christ, then I’m all for it.
I just wish he’d hurry up and get started with it, cause the stuff he’s currently “spreading” is leading us all carefully down to hell.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:08 pmDaryll, it is your job to show up here only on mansex threads and preach about God’s eternal punishment.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:08 pmOr, come by and delight us with your pseudo-religious folderal.
Have a nice time in the afterlife!
so you stating that God didn’t tell President Bush to liberate the Iraqis? When did he give you this message? Do you have the gift of prophecy?
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
God told me that He never told Bush any such thing.
Prove me wrong.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:09 pmBuck Fush, so you stating that God didn’t tell President Bush to liberate the Iraqis? When did he give you this message? Do you have the gift of prophecy?
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
I do.
And I prophesy that your 15 minutes are just about up.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:09 pmRoboTroll 3100 responds:
#66 had enough — thank you for your feedback. My talking points are programmed three times a day, remotely from the command center at Republican National Committee Headquarters. If you have an issue with my postings, please take it up with them.
Thank you.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:10 pmWayne, it is my job to spread the word of Jesus Christ.
Comment by Daryll
June 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmThen start doing it….for starters how about peace, compassion… it certainly isn’t about murder, thievery, LIES, destruction, torture, rape, slaughter, bombings, death, more death…
The PNAC crowd has brain washed the religious frenzied into supporting their cause.
What’s the salary for that “job?†And, who pays you?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 20, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
He’s on the bonus plan.
His …. er… “salary” will be waiting for him in the next life.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:15 pmHmm… I didn’t realize Satan sounded so much like Jesus.
Comment by spit take
Look at my post at 53
June 20th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThen, Ask Darryl for the link to his church website and read it, you’ll understand.
Matthew 7:15
June 20th, 2007 at 7:18 pmSnow is an idiot.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pmDaryll?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:20 pmWhen are you coming home?
Dinner’s gotten cold… you promised me you would only spend time here with your friends on your coffee break in the morning.
Oh, and on your way home, please stop by the adult book store and get me another one of those Brazilian beach movies, I’m still having trouble with my Portuguese garden…er… I mean grammar.
RoboTroll 3100
June 20th, 2007 at 7:21 pmwhat is the pay per post… 5 to 6 cents?
By their “fruits” we will know them, Jesus said.
And we’ve all seen the fruits of Bush and the neocons.
Death. Destruction. Devastation and Disaster.
Blood and Horror on the face of the earth are the fruits he has produced.
So yes Daryll, Jesus was right.
By your fruits, we see what you are.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:22 pmRoboTroll 3100
what is the pay per post… 5 to 6 cents?
Comment by had enough — June 20, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
Dude. RoboTroll is satirical. I mean, I got it from the “Black is White/Up is Down” bit. Did you miss that?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:23 pmAnybody else here heard from god lately?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:25 pmI suggest that anyone claiming to act in the name of god, or god’s will, or anything ELSE that insinuates a close personal relationship with god is a deluded fool and a liar.
Wayne, it is my job to spread the word of Jesus Christ.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
James 2:19
June 20th, 2007 at 7:27 pmI have the feeling they’d be all for the stem cell research if it meant a cure for impotence.
those old republicans would be lining up for it
June 20th, 2007 at 7:28 pmThe “Anti-science” administration putting science before ideology: how funny!
This veto and anti-abortion laws violate my First Amendment rights against the establishment of religion. Laws which restrict actions involving pre-birth conditions are based on the religious aspect of the situation, and therefore violate the First Amendment.
It is immoral NOT to use embrionic cells for medical research that would be destroyed anyway.
Much like the ‘gays in the military’ debate where it’s better that we’re attacked rather than a homosexual prevent it, the vainity of the self-righteous permits a twisted logic that it would be better for the cells to be destroyed than used to ease suffering.
Christianity has been hijacked by the power-hungry self-righteous.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:28 pmJesus would be disappointed.
Duhryll, God didn’t tell Chimpy anything. Nor did He ever say a word to Robertson, Falwell, or your personal favorite, the Rev. Haggard. People like them make shit up to get your vote and money.
If Chimpy heard anything in his semi-inebriated state, it was Cheney whisperin’ in his ear while massaging his balls.
Now start preachin’, bitch!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:33 pmAnyone notice, you rarely hear the opposing view on progressive talk radio these days? Their calls are welcomed, and even asked to call in by the host as they enhance entertainment. Could it be they have NO argument and know it? But we see the paid per post trolls here with their feeble mindless statements…
June 20th, 2007 at 7:33 pmWow. Daryll showed up, spat out three or four posts in the space of ten minutes, then took a powder.
Kind of a part-time ministry, is it, Daryll? I woulda thought sinners like us with our evil “liberal views” required more effort to turn us away from Satan.
Apparently not. Daryll can take care of it during the commercial break of Sanford and Son on TV Land.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pmChristianity has been hijacked by the power-hungry self-righteous.
Jesus would be disappointed.
Comment by Bob — June 20, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
And there it is.
See, we’re not all atheists Daryll. In fact, you guys keep talking about how Mitt Romney is a mormon, but you seldom hear that so is Harry Reid.
Its not that there are so many more conservative Christians than there are liberal Christians.
Its just that the conservative ones are so much better at advertising it.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:38 pmDuhryll, God didn’t tell Chimpy anything. Nor did He ever say a word to Robertson, Falwell, or your personal favorite, the Rev. Haggard.
Comment by Damian — June 20, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Probably not.
But I bet Falwells getting an earful now.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:40 pmour Founding Fathers founded America based on biblical standards
Comment by Daryll
________________________________________
Prove it. What Biblical standards are in the U.S. Constitution?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:42 pmDaryll lives by the biblical adage of turning the other cheek…….. while bent over for Mark FOley and Teddy Haggard!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:43 pmSnow falsely characterized the science behind stem cell research, claiming scientists “are not even entirely sure about what the possible benefits of embryonic stem cells [are].â€
Stem cell sceptics are the new Global Warming sceptics. As a matter of fact, it’s the same freakin’ people!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:44 pmDaryll,
I really feel your pain…I used to be stupid like you…when I was 5 ph*cking years old!!!!
Wow, your parents really screwed you….
June 20th, 2007 at 7:44 pmHow much money did Clinton put towards Stem Cell research?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:44 pmI love RoboTroll3100. Still, it’s a shame what happened to RoboTroll2100 during the Clinton years. The acrid smell of melting wires still haunts me.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:44 pmAnd right on cue, there’s m12 with a Clinton reference! Awesome!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pmHow much money did the Republican Congress give Clinton to put towards Stem Cell research?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:45 pmDude. RoboTroll is satirical. I mean, I got it from the “Black is White/Up is Down†bit. Did you miss that?
Comment by mikey r
Dude?? oh well..
maybe I am being satirical also…
June 20th, 2007 at 7:46 pmHow can Democrats make the stem cell bill veto-proof? By changing the name to the “Ronald Reagan Life Legacy Act.”
For the details, see:
June 20th, 2007 at 7:46 pm“How to Make the Stem Cell Bill Veto-Proof.”
Prove it. What Biblical standards are in the U.S. Constitution?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — June 20, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
The irony here, is that while many of the original founding fathers “were” chrisitians, they were equally committed to keep Christianity out of their fledgling government.
Still smarting from the pious hand of the holy inquisitor courtesy the mother church at England no doubt.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:46 pmm12 is programmed to inject the “Clinton did/didn’t do it” every 14.7 minutes.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:47 pmAnd right on cue, there’s m12 with a Clinton reference! Awesome!
Comment by Candyce — June 20, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
I’ll say it’s awesome. Not even RoboTroll 3100 saw a link between this thread and a Clinton talking point! That takes some vision, You’re12! Way to go.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:48 pmIn fact, the mention of any reference whatsoever to any deity is no where to be found in either the body of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or even the Preamble.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:49 pmSo you are absolutely proven wrong Daryll, disciple of Christ.
Our country was NOT founded on any pretense of mixing any religion with our government.
You are thus proven, WRONG.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:51 pmBARTLEBEE
It’s as if the American Christian Pharisees forgot that those who left Europe for the dangerous and unknown journey to the New World did so in order to practice their religion without interference of people of other faiths who had governmental support and power behind them. The deist and Christian founding fathers would be horrified at what has come of their brave and diligent work.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:51 pmI wish I had gotten here earlier to challenge Daryll. Although, he usually bolts pretty quickly once I do.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:54 pmThomas Jefferson
June 20th, 2007 at 7:55 pm1776
Why do countries like many in the Middle East with religious governments not scare the religious trolls here?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:55 pmSnowJob needs a commode instead of a podium because only bull$hit comes out of his mouth.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:57 pmOne day when I was on my knees
June 20th, 2007 at 7:58 pmAnd I was deeply prayin,
Jesus came to me and said
Invade Iraq or you are dead.
And after that, here is my plan,
Go straight ahead and attack Iran.
To all these things you must aspire
Cause you listen to a father “higher.”
Pay no heed to the people’s dissent
You have a majority of 28 per cent.
How much money did the Republican Congress give Clinton to put towards Stem Cell research?
Clinton wouldn’t even adequately fund the Pentagon. Why would the GOP Congress send money for other things?
Besides, he had 2 years of a Dem Congress!
June 20th, 2007 at 7:58 pmMore Newspeak:
War is Peace;
Freedom is Slavery;
This is Science Over Ideology.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:58 pmWhy do countries like many in the Middle East with religious governments not scare the religious trolls here?
Comment by upside00 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Because they have freedom?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:59 pmGiven the way this administration doctors or suppresses scientific information to suit their particular agenda, why should we believe anything they say on the topic of science?
June 20th, 2007 at 7:59 pmBARTLEBEE
It’s as if the American Christian Pharisees forgot that those who left Europe for the dangerous and unknown journey to the New World did so in order to practice their religion without interference of people of other faiths who had governmental support and power behind them.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — June 20, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
You know I couldn’t have said it better myself.
“American Christian Pharisees”.
Thats exactly what they are. The RNC is its own Sanhedrin, full of scribes, preists, elders, Saducees and Pharisees, carefully leading us all down to hell. The last thing our founding fathers wanted was the introduction of more religious control over the masses by a corrupt and interwined theocracy, nor the idiocracy the RNC has turned it into today.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:59 pmSNOW: As I said, what you hear from scientists is it’s — they’re not entirely sure. In fact, they’re not even entirely sure about what the possible benefits of embryonic stem cells is, because, again, they’re notoriously difficult to control.
We wouldn’t have to go very far back in time to find Tony using this same argument, yea veritibly the same words, as he poo poos climate change.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:03 pm#109 SnowJob needs a commode instead of a podium because only bull$hit comes out of his mouth.
Comment by ToxicEd — June 20, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
AMAZING HEALTH NEWS UPDATE!
June 20th, 2007 at 8:03 pmBushCo enablers need no digestive system! What goes in the top is the same as what comes out the bottom! YET THEY SURVIVE.
Clinton wouldn’t even adequately fund the Pentagon. Why would the GOP Congress send money for other things?
Besides, he had 2 years of a Dem Congress!
Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Stop it, You’re12! You’re killing me! This is priceless material! When did you develop such a sense of humor, such a wit?
June 20th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThis marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.
Thomas Jefferson
June 20th, 2007 at 8:05 pmBushCo enablers need no digestive system! What goes in the top is the same as what comes out the bottom! YET THEY SURVIVE.
Comment by Merlin — June 20, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
You’re thinking of Muslims.
But anyway, the main point of this comment is to say the following:
BARTLEBEE,
You talk so much, yet you say so little.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:06 pmThomas Jefferson
June 20th, 2007 at 8:06 pmBARTLEBEE
I firmly believe that mixing government and religion is both flawed Christian theology and antithetical to democratic freedom. I’m glad you like the “Christian Pharisee” label – I started using it about three months ago as the parallels are incredible.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:07 pmMy favorite bumper sticker:
“If you want to live under a theocracy, move to Iran.”
June 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pmJesus is spinning in his proverbial grave at what his “followers” are doing in his name. Where is the help, care, and compassion for the poor? Where is the goodwill towards man? From social conservatives, it’s our way or the highway.
Jesus talked. Bush, et al, fight.
Jesus cared. Bush, et al, kill.
Jesus loved. Bush, et al, hate anyone who don’t have their opinions or believe what they do.
Jesus had compassion. Bush, et al, have none. If there’s no money involved (that being their taking it), there is no purpose.
Those who espouse Christ need to go back and actually read the flipping bible! How many times are the poor mentioned?
You bible thumpers who have no clue what the bible is meant to mean disgust me. You are nothing more than the current version of the KKK. They were big on the bible, too, now weren’t they?
June 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pmHey, everybody, I just heard from m12 and he says that if we all stick around, he’ll do his “Ovaltine” material next. You know: “Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round, the jar is round… they should call it “Roundtine”.
That’s comedy gold, people. You don’t want to miss it. It always kills when he leads into it with his “Clinton stem cell” routine.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:10 pmYou talk so much, yet you say so little.
Comment by ULTIMAS INTER PARES — June 20, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
Yes, I’m sure its difficult for you.
The Chimpanzee experiences a similar phenomenon when listening to human oratory you know… so you’re not alone.
And of course I’d offer you symbols but TP has barred posting of pictures.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pm#116 Comment by heyzeus — June 20, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
We wouldn’t have to go very far back in time to find Tony using this same argument, yea veritibly the same words, as he poo poos climate change.
Ah! A real Robotroll programed at the RNC next to Darryl’s church.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:13 pmspit take
Hey, was it m12 who gave that law professor the “onion ring is symbolic of the vagina” joke?
I think everytime m12 posts we should all just respond “Bingo!”.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:14 pmSome posters have a serious irony deficiency that they respond to the almighty Robotroll. Wake up folks, it’s a joke.
this means you “had enough” and Bartlebee
June 20th, 2007 at 8:14 pmBARTLEBEE
I firmly believe that mixing government and religion is both flawed Christian theology and antithetical to democratic freedom.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — June 20, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
And well you should. It is worse than a flawed idea. It is a time proven recipe for disaster, and it is impossible for a free country to mix the two.
The real irony here of course, is idiots like Dickhead Daryll, or this other thing that thinks he’s a latin major, don’t know the first thing about Jesus, or what he taught.
On my worst day, I’ve forgotten more about the Bible, and the history of Christianity, than these idiots can google on their best.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:16 pmWhy do countries like many in the Middle East with religious governments not scare the religious trolls here?
Comment by upside00 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Because their view of religion is that theirs is right and everyone else’s is wrong. They believe a muslim theocracy is NOT ok but a Christian one would be. They ignore the often horrific history associated with Christianity (i.e. the Crusades).
When you’re convinced yours is the only correct religion, you can avoid many logical inconveniences (otherwise known as reality).
June 20th, 2007 at 8:17 pmSome posters have a serious irony deficiency that they respond to the almighty Robotroll. Wake up folks, it’s a joke.
this means you “had enough†and Bartlebee
Comment by snewp — June 20, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
A. I haven’t said a word to Robotroll except for one single comment, a long time ago.
B. If you think I am not aware of the fact that he is a liberal, “in-cog-Neato”, then you’d better double check the label on that iron you’ve been taking.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:18 pm‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
June 20th, 2007 at 8:20 pmDid gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”
He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
He chortled in his joy.
‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
If this was not so serious I would be laughing out loud. Snow has it exactly upside down — Bush is the one with ideology taking precedence over science.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:20 pmHow does Snow talk like that without his face cracking? Or why doesn’t lightning strike the podium right then and there?
It’s obvious that Bush vetoed the stem cell bill because he prefers 28% popularity to 2.8%. If he crossed the Right to Life folks…he would have NO Support but his family and the wealthiest 0.001%.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:21 pmAnd as far as scientists being “not really sure”…that’s why they do RESEARCH.
Anthony Snowjob esq = PLC
June 20th, 2007 at 8:24 pm#120 Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 20, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
BushCo enablers need no digestive system! What goes in the top is the same as what comes out the bottom! YET THEY SURVIVE.
Comment by Merlin — June 20, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
You’re thinking of Muslims.
Muslims…Wingnut christians…same thing. You should know that. Everything tastes the same to you, doesn’t it? (Pssst. see below for explanation.)
But anyway, the main point of this comment is to say the following:
BARTLEBEE,
You talk so much, yet you say so little.
Actually, Bartlebee says very little that means so much… of course with your digestive system it really doesn’t matter. You preach that reality is sh*t and fantasy is real, because it all tastes the same to you.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:24 pmAnd for those of you who don’t think this isn’t about Christianity, and the bastardization of it by mixing it with corrupt ideology and injecting the resulting mixture into our government, think again.
The only reason Bush vetoed that bill, is because of the pseudo-Christians who have infiltrated and overthrown our democracy.
Men of science no longer matter when men of “faith” are in control.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:26 pmWelcome to the Dark Ages redux, Bartlebee.
Ain’t it grand?
June 20th, 2007 at 8:27 pmYou preach that reality is sh*t and fantasy is real, because it all tastes the same to you.
Comment by Merlin — June 20, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
No, I preach that “reality” and “fantasy” (if you mean the philosophical doctrines of Realism and Idealism) are epistemologically equal, and that both are metaphysical doctrines, and hence, both are meaningless.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:28 pmAnthony Snowjob esq = PLC
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
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And you think that because….
June 20th, 2007 at 8:29 pmLOL. I NEVER post under another screen name. I’m too vain.
When it comes to this I should prefer immigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty, to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
Abraham Lincoln
June 20th, 2007 at 8:30 pmAnd you think that because….
LOL. I NEVER post under another screen name. I’m too vain.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — June 20, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Post #7 on the thread above this one, Alice.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:32 pmAnthony Snowjob esq = PLC
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
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Is this an example of the metaphysical doctrine of Realism or the metaphysical doctrine of Idealism? I really can’t keep posts of epistemological meaningless properly categorized.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:33 pmNo, I preach that “reality†and “fantasy†(if you mean the philosophical doctrines of Realism and Idealism) are epistemologically equal, and that both are metaphysical doctrines, and hence, both are meaningless.
Comment by ULTIMAS INTER PARES — June 20, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
Which is another way to say he preaches bullshit.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:34 pm#139
Welcome to the Dark Ages redux, Bartlebee.
Ain’t it grand?
Comment by MsJoanne — June 20, 2007 @ 8:27
The Dark Ages period was followed by the Renaissance — do you think we might hope for something along those lines happening here? Is there hope for the future once we rid ourselves of these backward thinking, superstitious, clannish tribes of cretins?
June 20th, 2007 at 8:35 pmEnlightenment? Doubtful.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:36 pm“Anthony Snowjob esq = PLC” is an identity statement, PLC
June 20th, 2007 at 8:36 pmOh, you caught me. I’m the only one who has ever read Alice in Wonderland. And I posted here at 8:20 pm and managed to post at 8:21 pm on the other thread. Just change my screen name to Superman.
Does your logic work this way in the political arena?
June 20th, 2007 at 8:37 pmWhy do countries like many in the Middle East with religious governments not scare the religious trolls here?
Comment by upside00 — June 20, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Answer #1
See previous post.
Answer #2
Because they can’t find their way out of Darryl’s church down below the RNC headquarters?
Answer #3
June 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pmThe trolls are suffering from a debilitating disease. Constipation of thought and diarreah of the mouth.
Welcome to the Dark Ages redux, Bartlebee.
Ain’t it grand?
Comment by MsJoanne — June 20, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Its lovely.
I feel like Lactantius reborn.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pmJust call me Lucius.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:38 pm“Anthony Snowjob esq = PLC†is an identity statement, PLC
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
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OK, I have to agree with you on this.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:40 pmIt identifies you as a pseudointellectual who arrives at conclusions on the basis of flawed logic. Kind of like the Bush administration.
The Irony here is that research on Embryonic stem cells ( which are to be destroyed anyhow) could lead to stem cell therapies that DON’T REQUIRE the use of Embryonic stem cells.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:40 pmComment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — June 20, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
Of course I can not prove it was you, in fact, I really don’t even care, but 60secs is plenty of time to paste a pre-copied poem on one thread and then make a short comment on another,
just sayin’
June 20th, 2007 at 8:41 pmI guess we shouldn’t be surprised by all this. After all, idiots like our Latin major here were retrying the freaking “Scopes Monkey Trial” this time last year.
These are the “KNOW NOTHINGS” that Abraham Lincoln predicted might take over our government one day.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:45 pm#140 Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 20, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
No, I preach that “reality†and “fantasy†(if you mean the philosophical doctrines of Realism and Idealism) are epistemologically equal, and that both are metaphysical doctrines, and hence, both are meaningless.
Great example of that diarrhea of the mouth I mentioned in #150. Thank you for providing this gem! I’m sorry for your illness, but then, trolls suffer from this genetically. Perhaps with some stem cell research your affliction can be cured. Check with the “decider in thief” as to when jesus will release the funds and approval to go ahead. Check back if you hear anything.
Enquiring minds want to know.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:48 pmThere are two types of Christians.
Those who take the minds God gave them, bury them in the ground, and wait for him to come back, so they can say, “see, its exactly as you left it with me“. Thens theres the other kind, who use the brains God gave them, and in so doing, multiply their knowledge and skill.
Our Latin boy here is the former.
Being Christian, does not necessitate being stupid.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:49 pmYou talk so much, yet you say so little.
Comment by ULTIMAS INTER PARES — June 20, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
VS.
“Anthony Snowjob esq = PLC†is an identity statement, PLC
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
PLUS
Of course I can not prove it was you, in fact, I really don’t even care, but 60secs is plenty of time to paste a pre-copied poem on one thread and then make a short comment on another,
just sayin’
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
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classic projection
June 20th, 2007 at 8:52 pm#154 Comment by Badger — June 20, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
The Irony here is that research on Embryonic stem cells ( which are to be destroyed anyhow) could lead to stem cell therapies that DON’T REQUIRE the use of Embryonic stem cells.
Good thought, Badger…but way to deep, way, way to deep! Remember that “constipation of thought” I mentioned in #150. Dumb it down so even Darryl or funckus latinus can get it.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:55 pmMerlin
How about this: God gave us all those extra stem cells because He loves us and wants us to be healthy.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:58 pmAs a scientist I can assure the King never took even the most basic science course, he can’t think logically. That’s OK well get stem cell research, global warming and other matters past after King Moron and the strom troopers vacate the WH in 2 years.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:03 pmThe Irony here is that research on Embryonic stem cells ( which are to be destroyed anyhow) could lead to stem cell therapies that DON’T REQUIRE the use of Embryonic stem cells.
Comment by Badger — June 20, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
There is even a greater irony here than that Badg.
The greater irony, is that with proper stem cell research and a little forsight, we could have made sure that accidents like Bush and his followers never happen again.
Whatever deviant cell that causes the affliction from which they collectively suffer from, would have long since been weeded out.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:06 pm#158 Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 20, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Thens theres the other kind, who use the brains God gave them, and in so doing, multiply their knowledge and skill.
Our Latin boy here is the former.
Being Christian, does not necessitate being stupid.
You give the latinski too much credit! It’s been a long time for me, but I remember 3 kinds. That one, squandered his talents, and ‘ol latin lover here, falls into that category more than the other 2.
Its a shame, I tell ya! A cryin shame, how some people turn their brains into sh*t. But then I shouldn’t be so cruel. They are trolls after all. Genetically stunted, height challenged and forced to live under a bridge at night. Like I said, maybe stem cell research will find a cure…
Oh yeah…I forgot The “decider in thief” doesn’t like trolls. Claims its the word from jesus. Like attacking Iraq.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:06 pmAs someone stated earlier, it’s not as much about science as money.
No government funding means that it will eventually be done in the private sector which means they can charge up the a$$ so people who can afford it will and those whose insurance companies make their medical decisions can’t.
Bush doesn’t care about religion or science. His religion is greed. His science is money. As they say on TV, when murder is involved (as in killing the constitution), follow the money trail.
It leads to the white house.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:08 pmSo when has Snow or anyone associated with this administration blanched at the thought of lying. NEVER.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:12 pmYou give the latinski too much credit! It’s been a long time for me, but I remember 3 kinds. That one, squandered his talents, and ‘ol latin lover here, falls into that category more than the other 2.
Comment by Merlin — June 20, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
Lol, I hate to be the corrector (nobody likes the corrector) but I think you’re merging parables. It looks like you’ve combined the parable of the Talents with the parable of the Prodigal Son.
With the talents, theres the guy who was given only one, and who buried his one, and returned it to his master as it was given to him. There was also the guy who was given 2 talents, and returned to his master 4, and the guy who was given 5, and returned 10.
It was the guy who buried his one talent that got his ass kicked in the end.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:20 pm#161 Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — June 20, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
Merlin
How about this: God gave us all those extra stem cells because He loves us and wants us to be healthy.
Once upon a time, some 50 years ago, before I became a Secular Humanist I would have said:
Yes, my kind of God would want mankind to use all those extra stem cells to find cures for sickness and disease. My kind of God is all love without hate (known mostly as justice), and His all powerful understanding of pain and resultant empathy would drive Him to cheer any advance in the eradication of mortal pain.
Today, for me, there is no god, so I would say the same thing leaving god out of the equation.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:22 pmWhich if you examine the neocons and Bush, and their actions, like vetoing Stem Cell research, is exactly what they are doing with their brains.
For these type of fundamentalist Christians, (a misnomer to be sure) the thinkings already been done.
They effectively “bury” their brains, and return them, as given to them, childish, empty and devoid of wisdom or hard earned experience.
Just simplistic ideas gotten second hand, from someone who knows as little as themselves.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:23 pmStop it, You’re12! You’re killing me! This is priceless material! When did you develop such a sense of humor, such a wit?
It’s called not being a duped liberal.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:23 pmToday, for me, there is no god, so I would say the same thing leaving god out of the equation.
Comment by Merlin — June 20, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Personally, I tend to stay away from spriitual absolutes with regards to doctrine or belief.
After all, one could easily say you can no more prove there is no God, as a Christian or Muslim could prove their is one.
Now I am not saying either way. To each his own. I will say this though.
If I ever started a church, we wouldn’t have too many answers, but we’d have some damn good questions.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:26 pmTony Snow: “This Is The President Putting Science Before Ideology”
Tony Snow: “The President would also like to remind you that today he issued an executive order proclaiming this day to be opposite day.”
James Guckert: “Hooray for opposite day!”
David Broder: “History will record that Bush was right about opposite day.”
Helen Thomas: “WTF? Opposite day?!”
June 20th, 2007 at 9:27 pm#167 Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 20, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Lol, I hate to be the corrector (nobody likes the corrector) but I think you’re merging parables.
I don’t mind correction, and you are right, my memory was confused. After all it has been 50 years as I mentioned in #168. (ahem…when you get to be my age son, you’ll understand about this here memory thing… Now what was it you were sayin?) And besides, if the trolls can make up sh*t out of whole cloth why can’t I?
Never the less, I still like mine better, cause it fits like a glove. So there!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:34 pmWayne, it is my job to spread the word of Jesus Christ.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll, slow down. I believe you’ve mistaken horse shit for the word of Jesus Christ.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:35 pmIt’s called not being a duped liberal.
Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I bet you kill when heckled at the Comedy Store! Just like Michael Richards, right?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pmNever the less, I still like mine better, cause it fits like a glove. So there!
Comment by Merlin — June 20, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
Ok gramps.
I’m just glad theres someone in here older than me.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:40 pmI’ll tell you this Merlin, for me its not the religion, its the words.
Whether you believe Jesus was the son of God or a caretaker at the Delmar Motel in Barstow, the words still work.
Problem is, none of these so called, “Christian conservatives” ever bother to read them.
And if they did, then they need to work on their comprehension skills.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:43 pmBARTLEBEE,
You talk so much, yet you say so little.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 20, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
Uh PIPsqueak, the only thing worse than cancer is jealousy.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:45 pmComment by Merlin — June 20, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
No, I preach that “reality†and “fantasy†(if you mean the philosophical doctrines of Realism and Idealism) are epistemologically equal, and that both are metaphysical doctrines, and hence, both are meaningless.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Merlin, when PIPpy or Mr. President gets backed into a corner he pulls out his philosophy textbook. I believe you got him treed!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:52 pm#171 Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 20, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Personally, I tend to stay away from spriitual absolutes with regards to doctrine or belief.
After all, one could easily say you can no more prove there is no God, as a Christian or Muslim could prove their is one.
Now I am not saying either way. To each his own. I will say this though.
If I ever started a church, we wouldn’t have too many answers, but we’d have some damn good questions.
Yes, I agree on all of the above. Regarding “spriitual absolutes,” I choose to ignore the whole question of spirit, soul, god and the whole 9 yards that those things entail. I don’t preach about how I see things. In other words, it is of no importance to me on a personal level. When I die I simply return to the earth, food for other living things to use. Nothing beyond that.
That said, when evangelicals of any belief, force their belief system on me or mankind with the resultant destruction that follows, I fight back against their inhumanity.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:54 pmThese people in here talking about Jesus would be upset, or turning in his grave, are not just blowing smoke. Historically speaking anyway, the man Jesus was about as far from a neo-conservative christian as anyone could possibly be.
From the records we have we know his first official acts were to publically condemn the current conservative based religious heirarchy and demonstrate that his God was not the punative monster these men would have the people worship.
He then set about teaching his “good news” as he called it, which basically consisted of learning to be nice to other people. He instructed the people to keep religious faith including his own seperate from government, and to not impose harsh or cruel penalties and to show compassion for even our enemies. Then the conservative fundamentalists arrested him, and convinced the government to execute him.
Given this history, it is unlikely that he would be too fond of what he would find in the so called Christian conservative movement today, including but not limited to the demonization of science.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:57 pm#175 Comment by spit take — June 20, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
It’s called not being a duped liberal.
Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I bet you kill when heckled at the Comedy Store! Just like Michael Richards, right?
Michael Richards!!!!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:58 pmBwaaaaHaaaaHaaaa
# 176 Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 20, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Ok gramps.
I’m just glad theres someone in here older than me.
Congratulations! (As the duck on the string comes down.)
You have won the $64 and the cigar. He says nicely, mixing up game shows.
You’re the first one to call me “gramps”
June 20th, 2007 at 10:02 pmIt’s called not being a duped liberal.
Comment by m12 — June 20, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
Should I explain how that’s an oxymoron? Or should I just point out that your posts prove you’re the moron?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:08 pm#177 Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 20, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
I’ll tell you this Merlin, for me its not the religion, its the words.
Whether you believe Jesus was the son of God or a caretaker at the Delmar Motel in Barstow, the words still work.
Problem is, none of these so called, “Christian conservatives†ever bother to read them.
And if they did, then they need to work on their comprehension skills.
And again, I agree with your take completely here. In that distant time I spent many a morning mass reading and studying the gospels, and was mesmerized by the beauty and truth therein. It is the foundation of goodness behind the parables that created my philosophy of Humanism. I simply rejected the concept of god and a hereafter.
Oh, and there is no “comprehension” for a literalist. A contradiction in terms.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:10 pm#181 Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 20, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
As I said in a previous post, you say a great deal in just a few words. Bravo!
June 20th, 2007 at 10:15 pmTony’s on a roll this week, handing out crazed bullshit on every topic and every question with his mind-boggling comments on the War, the Surge, Gonzales, and today SCIENCE. I can’t wait for tomorrow’s press briefing when he announces with his usual pompous smirk — Bush says the Earth is Flat. Next question.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmResolve that neither the state nor nation, or both combined, shall support institutions of learning other than those sufficient to afford every child growing up in the land the opportunity of a good common school education, unmixed with sectarian, pagan, or atheistical tenets.
Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private schools, supported entirely by private contributions.
Keep the church and state forever separated
Ulysses S. Grant
June 20th, 2007 at 10:31 pmWar is Peace
June 20th, 2007 at 10:32 pmIgnorance is Strength
Yet Bush did away with it all with a simple sweep of his magic pen, and a little thing called “Faith Based Initiatives”.
Bush is may not be the Anti-Christ, but he has proven he is the Anti-American.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:33 pmI have just begun reading Al Gore’s new book “The Assault on Reason.” The introduction alone is worth the price of the book, IMO. The first chapter is on the use of fear. A very apt choice! Glancing through the rest of the book has me rather excited.
Just sharing a thought…
June 20th, 2007 at 10:40 pm#189 Bush is may not be the Anti-Christ, but he has proven he is the Anti-American.
Bush is may not be the Anti-Christ, but he has proven he is the Anti-American.
To me, he is definitely Anti-American, and if I were a “believer” I would consider him the personification of evil. Yes, the Anti-Christ. I think it is so ironic that these fundies think they are following Jesus to heaven yet never question that the temperature is getting warmer and warmer. Black is white, up is down and “Jesus” is really the devil.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:46 pmI don’t believe I’ve ever seen…
…so many held rapt…
…by a dead man’s clever lies…
June 20th, 2007 at 10:49 pm#189 Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 20, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
“Faith Based Initiativesâ€.
Sometimes the light shines in the darkness. Have you read the book by David Kuo, “Tempting Faith”? He was the #2 man in Bush’s Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives. He finally “got it” after 3 years and has been speaking out against the corruption of politics since.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:57 pmIts an excellent tome that was lambasted by the BushCo enablers and dismissed for the usual reasons. I highly recommend it.
Hey Troglodytes…Jesus wasn’t a Democrat but he sure wasn’t a rethuglican.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
June 20th, 2007 at 11:08 pmIt is equally true that religious sects ought not to interfere with the Government or with political parties.
We believe that the cause of good government and the cause of religion suffer by all such interference
Rutherford B. Hayes
June 20th, 2007 at 11:13 pmBy my office, and by my personal conviction, I am sworn to uphold that tradition.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:18 pmLyndon B. Johnson,
Dubya can’t be the anti-christ…his approval rating is too low. Evil, satan maybe…his 28% is made up of the haters, low lifes, and troglodytes who want to stay in the 18th century.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:23 pmDid Daryll post that his job is to spread the cheeks of Jesus Christ?
Man, that is blasphemous Daryll. I think I now see the juxtaposition of your homosexuality and your faith.
You should really not think those kinds of thoughts. Get help
June 20th, 2007 at 11:24 pmm12, considering that stem cells were hardly known about at all in the Clinton administration, they couldn’t have known to fund them. The principle characteristics were discovered in 1997-1998, pretty late in Clinton’s admin.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:39 pmDear Tony,
EVERY DAY, God SEES and HEARS you LIE. You are going to DIE soon. Don’t you CARE about your immortal soul or ETERNAL DAMNATION??
Warmest regards,
A fellow Christian (more importantly, a WORLD CITIZEN and Child of God)
June 20th, 2007 at 11:43 pm#200 Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — June 20, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
EVERY DAY, God SEES and HEARS you LIE. You are going to DIE soon. Don’t you CARE about your immortal soul or ETERNAL DAMNATION??
I am reminded often when being faced with these kind of folks, of the TV program “Twilite Zone”. You know, the ones where the devil convinces the mortal to sell his soul for anything he wants. It is not until the devil actually comes knocking, that the reality grabs him. (Can’t he have more time?)
June 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pmThen the wailing and the gnashing of teeth begins. I suspect Tony’s time may be drawing near. I wonder if he will ever “get it.” Some go to their “eternal” unrest still convinced that heaven is down and hell is up.
WTF? Black is white and up is down for these lying ideologues bastard criminals. Is anyone in the MSM holding these fools accoutable for the bullshit they try to spin on us? Never mind, it’s the MSM we’re talking about.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:00 amThe only reason Bush does not want to kill embryos is he can’t hear them scream, smell their incinerated flesh or hear their loved ones weep. He is also building his defense against possible future murder and crimes against humanity charges. Human life is sacred, except when it involves the U.S. Army in the 1800s shooting native american children in the backs as revenge for the idiot Custer’s death, or when it involves
June 21st, 2007 at 12:02 amBush’s personal blood lust. Same empire, different century.
Another reason Bush does not want stem cell research: Just think what it would do to the pharmaceutical industry… if we could actually cure diseases without all those drugs.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:18 amCome on guys, Bush is all about the “culture of life.” Just because the life he supports doesn’t happen to include those of us that have already been born doesn’t mean we should judge this baby eating son of Satan. I mean, think of all the blastocysts he’s protecting. Just because they’re cells with no nervous system, organs, or anything that actually resembles a living human, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have rights. I say we should also save the sperm and the ovum. Think of the daily atrocities and wanton destruction of potential life every menstrual cycle and wet dreams cause. Oh the horror, oh the humanity!!!
June 21st, 2007 at 12:19 amBush is not employing “right-wing ideology.” It’s murdered babies
June 21st, 2007 at 12:24 amYes “murdered babies” Should I say it again so you can clearly hear it.
So you want to murder babies?
You say its babies that would be murdered anyway?
using it makes you a party to it.
See John Run. Run John Ron. It is that basic no matter what type of spin you spin to it.
James
June 21st, 2007 at 12:33 amIn time if the embryos are not used, they get washed down the drain or thrown our…. so, maybe with your belief system embryos should not be artificially made?
And the question: If you were in a room with a 2 year old and a refrigerator full of embryos, the place caught on fire and you could only save one… which would it be?
James you are an idiot. These aren’t babies, they’re the potential for babies. Just like the sperm you lose in your wet dreams aren’t babies or the eggs your mom’s and your girlfirend bodies get rid of every twenty eight days aren’t babies, embroyos are not babies. They are, one lucky sperm, and one egg. Why don’t you go on a fucking crusade to save all the eggs from womens’ menstrual cycles and all the sperm from wet dreaming masturbating teens while you’re at it.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:37 amStupid ass conservatives care more about blastocysts in a petrie dish than 5 year old little girls with leukemia or diabetes. They care more about a clump of cells than a grandmother with alzheimers. They care more about embroyos than they do about mothers dying of cancer. Compassionate conservativism at work!
June 21st, 2007 at 12:43 amIt’s called not being a duped liberal.
Comment by m12
Says the troll too stupid to realize that Arabic translators/interpreters are needed for intelligence-gathering in the so-called war on terror. Maybe m2 really doesn’t want the US to win.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:45 amJames
June 21st, 2007 at 12:46 amWhy aren’t you and other’s like you screaming murder when these embryos get thrown out? Not a word – right? That doesn’t really matter – right?
This is all about abortion…if it is well publicized the embryos are being used, thus killed, then you right to life freaks may worry the chance of abortion becoming illegal falls one step backwards.
Bush is rearranging the blastocytes on the Titanic before they get dumped into the medical waste bucket.
Why does Bush’s god hate Americans and want them to suffer so much?
June 21st, 2007 at 1:05 amIf stem cells were actually able to cure disease, think what it would do to the pharmaceutical corporate industry, bush’s buddies – could wipe them out. I don’t really think bush gives a damn about abortion… like everything elese it is one big sham.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:15 amI wonder if stem cell research might help Snowflake?
Hmmmm….
June 21st, 2007 at 1:27 amI think ThinkProgress should distinguish between “misinformation” and “disinformation,” because use of the former to characterize anything coming from the White House gives them the benefit of the doubt to which they are not entitled.
June 21st, 2007 at 4:54 amI wonder if stem cell research might help Snowflake?
Hmmmm….
Comment by Zooey
nut cell research might save some time
June 21st, 2007 at 8:41 amIt’s not about being against stem cell research, its about “Federal Funding” of the research. If embryonic stem cell research is all libs say it is, then why aren’t “private” researchers spending more money on the research, after all if the “cures” are found the company would make a fortune….
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm
June 21st, 2007 at 8:50 amSteve sez:
Congratulations. You just answered your own question.
June 21st, 2007 at 9:07 amSo Snow is truly a member of the Neocon Death Cult.
June 21st, 2007 at 9:21 amBeen nice knowing ya, Tony. OK maybe not but I’m sure you won’t catch a cold in Hell.
Tony Snow has become the same as “Comical Ali,” the Iraqi officer who claimed there were no American tanks in Iraq.
Nice.
June 21st, 2007 at 9:54 am.
You say its babies that would be murdered anyway?
using it makes you a party to it.
Comment by James — June 21, 2007 @ 12:24 am
Well, if you want to clad the little stem cells in diapers, and push them in a stroller, thats up to you.
For the rest of us however, a baby is a human being, not “part” of a human being.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:59 am“Stupid is as stupid does.” — Forest Gump
June 21st, 2007 at 1:24 pmPoor Tony. We should pity him.
He’s an intelligent man who is spending what may very well be the last months of his life lying through his teeth for a feckless, idiotic fratboy warmongering wannabe dictator.
That he would *choose* to do this…is so very sad.
June 21st, 2007 at 3:46 pmHUH?
June 21st, 2007 at 3:55 pmTony is writing a REALLY bad epitaph for himself.
He will be remembered as a talking head on FOX which is bad enough, but to go out known as Head Liar for Bush is something his family will have to live with forever.
Stop NOW Tony. Take early retirement from the Liars for Bush Dept. spend quality time with your family and hopefully you will extend your lifespan considerably. Don’t let your lies be your legacy.
June 21st, 2007 at 4:08 pm45-minute operation to restore sight to millions
The pioneering stem cell surgery tackles age-related macular degeneration (AMD), the most common cause of blindness in the elderly.
The technique is being developed by scientists and doctors from University College London, Moorfields Eye Hospital, also in London, and Sheffield University, working together in the London Project to Cure Blindness.
Their work has been boosted by a £4million donation from an anonymous American benefactor…….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=460052&in_page_id=1965
How sad that we have an idiot in OUR White House.
June 21st, 2007 at 5:48 pmIf I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:35 pm–Alice in Wonderland