ThinkFast: June 20, 2007
ThinkFast: June 20, 2007
President Bush will issue the third veto of his presidency today, killing a bill “that would have eased restraints on federally funded embryonic stem cell research — work that supporters say holds promise for fighting disease.”
Senate leaders “moved Tuesday to force a vote on organized labor’s top legislative priority” — the Employee Free Choice Act, legislation that would make it far easier to organize workers. “But Republican leaders vowed to kill the measure, voicing confidence that they could defeat a motion cutting off debate and bringing it to a vote this week.”
New York’s state Assembly, backed by Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D-NY), approved legislation yesterday to “legalize same-sex marriage after an emotional three-hour debate, but the bill is not expected to be acted on any time soon in the Republican-led state Senate.”
“The Justice Department has opted out of at least 10 whistle-blower lawsuits alleging fraud and corruption in government reconstruction and security contracts in Iraq, and has spent years investigating additional fraud cases but has yet to try to recover any money.”
“At least 40 percent of State Department diplomats who have served in danger zones suffer some symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder,” an American Foreign Service Association official told Congress yesterday. “The State Department has provided limited help for diplomats under duress,” including dispatching just two psychiatrists to Iraq.
“Six detainees were transferred this week out of the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, including one detainee who was returned to Tunisian authorities over the objections of his attorneys amid fears that he will be tortured by a government known for human rights violations.”
Canon Electronics, Nike and Unilever “topped a list rating climate-friendly companies” released yesterday, while Jones Apparel Group, CBS, Burger King, Darden Restaurants, Wendy’s International and Amazon.com tied for last. Also, Google announced yesterday that it will be carbon neutral by 2008.
The ACLU “sued the U.S. government on Tuesday seeking to end what it said was a policy of drugging some immigrants facing deportation proceedings.” The suit alleges that two immigrants were forcibly injected with “powerful psychotropic drugs” in violation of the law.
And finally: At yesterday’s annual congressional picnic, “President Bush and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi were arm in arm,” “Karl Rove worked the crowd,” and “White House Press Secretary Tony Snow played the flute.” “I thank Tony Snow and his bunch of mediocre musicians…uh, great musicians,” said Mr. Bush, who enjoyed “the chance to zing his press secretary.”
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If you missed it last night, watch this amazing and shocking edition of Frontline…
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/endgame/
Amazing. Devastating.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:05 amLAREDO — In response to the Department of Homeland Security’s plans to construct hundreds of miles of fencing along the border with Mexico, the McAllen Chamber of Commerce started a campaign of their own: build a wall around Washington, D.C.
“My response is: Why don’t we just build around Washington, D.C.? It can protect us from some bad characters, some bad legislation and bad ideas.”
June 20th, 2007 at 9:07 amAnd nothing about Blomberg going independent?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:09 amPresident Bush will issue the third veto of his presidency today, killing a bill “that would have eased restraints on federally funded embryonic stem cell research — work that supporters say holds promise for fighting disease.â€
Good to know that Chimpy is fighting so gallantly to save clusters of human cells that are going to be washed down the drain anyway, while real people bleed and die in his psychotic war of imperialist aggression half a world away.
Heckuva job, Chimpy!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:09 amBush vetoes bill. Republics threaten to cut off debate. I say that the Democrats need to announce that as of today they will no longer try to pass any legislation since any legislation they try to pass will either be filibustered (by the “let’s have an up or down vote” Republics), so what’s the use. They should also announce that as of today, they will spend all of their time exposing the crimes committed by the Bush Crime Family. And then they should do it and stop writing letters!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:09 amHaving a picnic while war rages on is always a good idea. They should have invited the troops.
I’m surprised Rove attended – the last time he went to a picnic, someone stuck an apple in his mouth and tried to put him on the grill.
Badda bing. badda boom.
Good morning.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:10 amCaption Contest:
“If the Senate does not pass my Immigration bill, these two beautiful children behind me will be scarified to our dark lords Rove and Cheney.”
June 20th, 2007 at 9:13 amCaption:
“Heh heh, I wish these kids could grow up a little faster, recruitment levels are dropping… heheh”
June 20th, 2007 at 9:13 am#5 Kate Henry
I like the idea.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:13 amwhoa, cosmic alignment, a righty and a lefty on the same page… dude!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:15 amCaption: “Behind me are some of the future troops for the 50 year occupation of Iraq. Freedom is on the march. “
June 20th, 2007 at 9:15 am“President Bush will issue the third veto of his presidency today, killing a bill “that would have eased restraints on federally funded embryonic stem cell research — work that supporters say holds promise for fighting disease.—
Religious zealotry at its worst. My mother in law has juvenile diabetes. We had a good cry this morning. AGAIN.
When will we cast away the crutch of superstition and start making our decisions based on reason and evidence?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:16 am“President Bush and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi were arm in arm,†“Karl Rove worked the crowd,†and “White House Press Secretary Tony Snow played the flute.â€
Nice to see all’s well in fantasy land, D.C. Must have looked like Snow White & the 7 Dorks. Was that Dopey on the flute? Boy, Tony, you sure can blow that thing!
Why is Bi-partisanship only practiced at picnics? Baby Bush’s veto pen was still wet by the time he got to the picnic, continuing the WH stance against stem cell research.
I bet KKKarl was the life of the party, walking around with a 140,000 e-mails stuck up his white ass.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:18 amRamboTroll reports:
1. Liberalism means never having to say you’re sorry.
2. Academic Freedom means never having to admit you’re wrong.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:19 amheyzeus
whoa, cosmic alignment, a righty and a lefty on the same page… dude!
Me and you and you and me
June 20th, 2007 at 9:20 amNo matter how they toss the dice, it has to be
Thank the Lord that the President is for true Americans. It makes me proud to view that the President will veto a bill that relaxes restraints for funding of embryonic stem cell research. We will not kill our future to save a life that has been on earth long enough. If it is time for you to be removed from earth then Jesus will remove you, regardless of surgical operations. Also, it is no suprise that a democrat approved legislation to allow same-sex couples to enjoy marital bliss. NY has recently became a sinful state by passing this legislation and allowing the teaching of the evolution theory. Lastly, pertaining to the issue of illegal immigrants being drugged. If Juan/Roberto/Pedro/Iraida/Martina does not agree to leave willfully then he/she should be drugged so officers do not have to deal with their belligerency. Also, latinos/latinas (whatever), stop naming your sons Jesus, your child is not the second coming of Christ.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:21 am#5 IAWTC!!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:23 amuntill the capitol is completly clean of these vermon nothing significant can be accomplished.
DUHryll,
Hope you get cancer, or some other disease that stem cells could cure.
Hope you shove that symbol of torture through your left eye and puncture your brain. It won’t do any damage, because you can’t think any way. You just follow orders from a “man” not god like a good little sheep.
DUHryll your wonderful president has killed a million Afghani, and Iraqi people, 99% of them more innocent than you. How is that for respecting life.
Keep on supporting murderers, your time will come too.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:27 amI agree, squeegee @ 3… This is big news.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:28 amWow. the Trolls came in to the office early today. Only a little after 9:00am. They must be crackin’ down at the comment center.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:28 amRamboTroll continues to report:
3. It’s a good idea for unions to collect fees, even attemptinh to collect fees from non-members. We like to consider that a private form of taxation.
Individual freedom and liberty, go f*ck yourself.
4. Our goal of the ACLU clogging the legal system with sham lawsuits is in play. We hope to make it as tough as possible for others to get their legitimate suits in, the ACLU way. ACLU to the front of the line, please. That’s right, the ACLU’s concern always should come first.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:29 amToday Bush is killing families by killing medical research.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:30 amI posted it yesterday and I will post it again today:
Congress and the Executive have ceased to be responsive to the majority. If there is to be a solution that is representative of the will of the people then our only choice is to abolish the current government or resign to exist in the confines of the present Dictatorship! The government will simply not repair itself.
If your child becomes rude you give it a time out. If your child becomes a mass murderer you out it down. We are well past minor infractions here!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:34 amAlso, latinos/latinas (whatever), stop naming your sons Jesus, your child is not the second coming of Christ.
Comment by Daryll
BLASPHEMY ;)
June 20th, 2007 at 9:36 amDaryll
Why aren’t you calling for white Christians to stop naming their children Joshua? You do know that Jesus is the Greek version of the Hebrew name Joshua (Ya Shua = God Saves), which is what Christ was actually called?
Teaching evolution is NOT sinful. If you want to call LEARNING about evolution “sinful”, have at it FOR YOURSELF, but leave the rest of us alone.
When are you going to shake the TP dust off your sandals?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:37 am#16 Drivel.
Ignore.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:37 amThe Homeland Security Department, the lead U.S. agency for fighting cyber threats, suffered more than 800 hacker break-ins, virus outbreaks and other computer security problems over two years, senior officials acknowledged to Congress.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:37 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/dhs_computer_security
“White House Press Secretary Tony Snow played the flute.â€
Jazz Flute, or just regular flute?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:38 amHey RamboTroll, I like you spirit. You get in WAY earlier than the other guys. I’m sure the bosses will notice your ambition. One day you’ll make Assistant manager Troll for sure.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:38 amPatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
When are you going to shake the TP dust off your sandals?
Only hippies wear sandals, Daryll wears work boots, at his job, which is another thing you wouldn’t know about.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:39 amJazz Flute, or just regular flute?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 20, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Skin flute, just like you.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:44 am“….the second coming of Christ.”
Comment by Daryll
The spirit and incarnation of the ‘christ’ has returned many times since the execution for dissidence of your particular favorite historical figure.
The women and men embodying the peace and non-violence of the teachings of Jesus the Nazarene keep getting murdered by the powers of greed and authoritarianism.
(And, oh, by the way, your particular favorite christ is not the first child of god, son of man to have appeared here on this planet.)
(And, while not wanting to play the race card, still, you brought it up. Your racism is showing, brutha…..)
June 20th, 2007 at 9:45 amI wonder how many of our communist friends, well most of my left wing friends would like to read this story. so much for universal health care. I guess government run health truly DOESN’T work.
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070620/ids_photos_wl/r4117771763.jpg
“A woman, 44, who is suffering from cancer but cannot afford medical costs, sits on a rooftop during a suicide attempt as a rescue worker stops her in Shenyang, capital of northeastern China’s Liaoning province June 19, 2007. Picture taken June 19, 2007. REUTERS/Stringer (CHINA)”
June 20th, 2007 at 9:45 amPatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
When are you going to shake the TP dust off your sandals?
Only hippies wear sandals, Daryll wears work boots, at his job, which is another thing you wouldn’t know about.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 20, 2007 @ 9:39 am
Uh, no. Try Bostonians, shirt, tie and slacks (sometimes a suit).
June 20th, 2007 at 9:45 amI posted something like this yesterday and here it is again today:
Congress and the Executive have ceased to be responsive to the majority. If there is to be a solution that is representative of the will of the people then our only choice is to abolish the current government or resign to exist in the confines of the present Dictatorship! The government will simply not repair itself.
If your child becomes rude you give it a time out. If your child becomes a mass murderer you out it down. We are well past minor infractions here!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:46 amDaryll
Uh, no. Try Bostonians, shirt, tie and slacks (sometimes a suit).
You wear people? That’s just wrong on so many levels… then again, they do live in Kennedy land, so I guess it’s not so bad.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:47 amWill TP put this up? or does it want to keep its left wing readers ignorant about the truth. So much for a Democratic led Congress.
This numbers should really make us Democrat happy, right?
http://galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27937
June 20, 2007
Congressional Job Approval Dips Again This Month
Democrats, Republicans now almost equally likely to disapprove of Congress
by Joseph Carroll
PRINCETON, NJ — The honeymoon phase is over for the new Congress, as the public’s ratings of Congress are down again this month. The latest congressional job approval rating (24%) is the lowest for the institution since Democrats took control of both houses in January, and is far below the 37% registered in February. The decline has been most evident among Democrats, whose ratings of Congress now match those of Republicans. Congressional job approval ratings are typically not positive, but ratings as low as the current one are uncommon. The poll also finds that only about one in four Americans say they are satisfied with the way things are going in this country, little changed since last month but still at its lowest point in over a decade.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:48 amComment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 9:48 am
Congress and the Executive have ceased to be responsive to the majority. If there is to be a solution that is representative of the will of the people then our only choice is to abolish the current government or resign to exist in the confines of the present Dictatorship! The government will simply not repair itself.
If your child becomes rude you give it a time out. If your child becomes a mass murderer you out it down. We are well past minor infractions here!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:50 amI wonder how many of our communist friends, well most of my left wing friends would like to read this story. so much for universal health care. I guess government run health truly DOESN’T work.
http://news.yahoo.com/ photo/ 070620/ ids_photos_wl/ r4117771763.jpg
“A woman, 44, who is suffering from cancer but cannot afford medical costs, sits on a rooftop during a suicide attempt as a rescue worker stops her in Shenyang, capital of northeastern China’s Liaoning province June 19, 2007. Picture taken June 19, 2007. REUTERS/Stringer (CHINA)â€
Comment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 9:45 am
It should not be up to the government to provide healthcare. The cost is entirely too much. The responsibility is on the employer and the individual. If the individual has to work two jobs to afford health insurance then do it.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:51 amPLC, long time no talk… I think the “stem-cell” issue is an issue right up there with abortion that will be hard for liberals and conservatives to find common ground on. Everything else, (including gay-marriage, the war in Iraq, the budget and the deficit, etc..) I’m sure we could find middle-ground on.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:51 amBut I’m here and ready to debate… maybe we’ll find that elusive common ground on this issue… let’s see.
Comment by President Clinton
I notice you fixed healthcare totally, Mr. President. This administration is now trying to unravel all the remarkable work “you” have done.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:51 amRamboTroll shows its humorous side:
What is the only thing worse than an incompetent liberal President?
A competent liberal President.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:53 amIf the individual has to work two jobs to afford health insurance then do it.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 9:51 am
Wow how very “Christian” of you Daryll. compassionate conservatism at its best.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:54 am“The Justice Department has opted out of at least 10 whistle-blower lawsuits alleging fraud and corruption in government reconstruction and security contracts in Iraq, and has spent years investigating additional fraud cases but has yet to try to recover any money.â€
$Billions paid to multi-national corporations and criminals in Iraq and they’re not looking for it.
$250million paid to individual American hurricane victims in LA and MS and they’re cracking down.
There’s your fiscally-responsible compassionate conservatives in action.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:57 amWait, Stop, Hold On Just A Minute…. I have the solution… Let’s use the illegal aliens for stem-cell research! There, problem solved and everyone’s happy! ;-)
June 20th, 2007 at 9:58 amIf the individual has to work two jobs to afford health insurance then do it.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 9:51 am
Wow how very “Christian†of you Daryll. compassionate conservatism at its best.
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 9:54 am
My comment has nothing to do with holiness. For example, to ensure that I would be financially stable in society (and to follow my father’s footsteps), I chose to major in Computer Science. You have to sacrifice to survive in life. If you have to work two jobs to afford health insurance, THEN DO IT!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:59 amComment by President Clinton
I notice you fixed healthcare totally, Mr. President. This administration is now trying to unravel all the remarkable work “you†have done.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 20, 2007 @ 9:51 am
yes, funny thing is that there have been 40 million Americans without healthcare since my first day in office, back in the early 1990s. Of course 40 million is only 10% of our population, which means that 90% of our population does have healthcare. You see, us Liberals love playing with numbers, if we say 10% of our population is without healthcare it sounds better than saying 40 million people are without healthcare. So, we use 40+ million, instead of 10% of the population.
But yes, getting back to what did I do to fix this problem. Well my wife grab me by the balls, the first and only time and tried to run the White House during the early months of my Presidency, she tried doing some stupid Universal Healthcare thing in which we were going to force the rich in America, you know those americans that make $100,000 or more a year, and have them pay for everyone’s health care.
i mean, it is only fair, right? wealth redistribution. I mean, if you want to be lazy and don’t do anyting in life, why should you be poor, right? and if you worked hard, study hard and become a succesfull lawyer, doctor, etc, why should you enjoy the fruits of your labor and have income that exceeds $100,000 a year, right?
we are all equal and the rich need to be punished for being succesful and the lazy people need to be rewarded for being lazy.
my Hellary is still pushing this idea of universal health care even though it hasn’t worked in any country.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:59 amWait, Stop, Hold On Just A Minute…. I have the solution… Let’s use the illegal aliens for stem-cell research! There, problem solved and everyone’s happy! ;-)
Comment by coachjason — June 20, 2007 @ 9:58 am
Wrong, they are people, too. They maybe illegal immigrants, but we must treat them in a humane manner.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:00 am(And, oh, by the way, your particular favorite christ is not the first child of god, son of man to have appeared here on this planet.)
Comment by heyzeus
Fascinating… who was the first?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:01 amRe48: Daryll… that was a joke. Notice the winking emoticon @ the end of the post. Sorry you didn’t get it.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:02 amHey, D:
The fictionalized character you and your ilk refer to as “Jesus” died a long time ago. He ceased to function, lost conciousness and the ability to move, decomposed, and was reappropriated by the biosphere. He died, and he’s not coming back.
You should face facts.
BTW: Superman isn’t real, either.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:02 amWow how very “Christian†of you Daryll. compassionate conservatism at its best.
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Please point to the country where universal health care has worked. In Canada, England, France, etc the average wait time to see a doctor is three months! three months, there are countless of Canadians, French, English etc that run to the USA to get health care, why? if their system is so great why do Canadians constantly enter the USA to get treatment from American doctors and hospitals. why?
Furthermore, while you are it, answer why should I be punished for being rich and why should I be forced to pay for the health care of others, why?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:02 amOf course 40 million is only 10% of our population
since when has 40 million been 10% of 301,139,947 (thats 301 million with standard rounding practices)
You see, us Liberals love playing with numbers
but I guess saying 90% have health care sounds better than saying 86.7%. (once again with some minor rounding)
June 20th, 2007 at 10:03 amDaryll
June 20th, 2007 at 10:03 amI have returned.
You must leave your privileged neighborhood, give your Bostonians to
the poor across the river Potomac, and follow me.
We shall travel long, dusty roads to a great city in the south, where we shall tirelessly toil to spread the word of reducing the depth of our carbon footprints in the soil of the creators garden.
Bring a serape.
This is really depressing.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:04 amI just woke up and the 1st thing I see is bad news.
TP should run a positive story.
Negativity consumes a person too much.
I sick of being angry, I want to be happy again!
Wow how very “Christian†of you Daryll. compassionate conservatism at its best.
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 9:54 am
And I guess Christian for you means forcing people to give up their salary to pay for the health care of others, right? Is this what you consider Christian? forcing people to do what you liberals think is right?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:04 amFor crying out loud, Bush’s objection to stem cell research has NOTHING to do with protecting the unborn, as these embryos are being destroyed and his veto does NOTHING to prevent it.
All Bush’s veto does is guarantee that private industry will get the right to charge us an arm and a leg for the cures that they come up with through PRIVATE funding of stem cell research.
Bush is opposed to making medical breakthroughs available and affordable to ALL Americans.
That’s the bottom line.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:04 amThanks to Darryll and the other trolls, we all know what it’s like to wear hip-waders. The Troll scat gets deep in here at times.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:06 amOf course 40 million is only 10% of our population
since when has 40 million been 10% of 301,139,947 (thats 301 million with standard rounding practices)
You see, us Liberals love playing with numbers
but I guess saying 90% have health care sounds better than saying 86.7%. (once again with some minor rounding)
Comment by squegeebooo — June 20, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Ok sorry squegeeboo, 13% of Americans don’t have health care…..once again, a small percentage of the population. In that 13% people who chose not to have health care are also counted. So, the percentage is less than 13%.
but sorry, not 10%, but 13.3% of the population doesn’t have health care and 86.7% do have health care. WOW!! what a great difference than what I said of 10% versue 90% having health care.
Please guy, please. Don’t try to mess with the smarters, most intelligent President to ever have set foot on the Oval office rug, you all know that my IQ is over 150!!!
June 20th, 2007 at 10:08 amRe57: You are right. But what Bush is doing is trying to use us Christian Conservatives and fool us into believing that this will prevent embryos from being destroyed. It will do that, but it will also line the pockets of private industry. It sucks that moral decisions are always tied to someone getting rich.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:09 am“Fascinating… who was the first?”
Comment by 20wordsorless
Bog, son of Og, overcame his fright, and cultural programming; and ran to the tree which had just been struck by lightning.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:09 amGrabbing a handful of the flaming splinters, he carefully made his way back to the cave where the other members of his tribe waited with their raw troll meat.
As a matter of fact, the health care systems in Sweden, England, Canada, Australia, etc. all work much better than the system in the U.S. — leading to better infant mortality rates and longer and healthier lives for their citizens — and cost far less per patient than the U.S. system.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:10 amThis is really depressing.
I just woke up and the 1st thing I see is bad news.
TP should run a positive story.
Negativity consumes a person too much.
I sick of being angry, I want to be happy again!
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr. — June 20, 2007 @ 10:04 am
Gerald, blame the democrats for negativity in society (illegal immigration, embryonic stem cell research, same-sex marriage, re-deployment of soldiers, fear of terrorist organizations, etc.)
June 20th, 2007 at 10:10 amBTW: Superman isn’t real, either.
Comment by smafdy — June 20, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Oh please smafdy, just yesterday you claim, that I President William Jefferson Clinton, was Superman, now you claim that I am fictional?
you poor little tool of mine. I bit confused aren’t you.
Smafdy, son, I am Superman, you know that and I know that.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:10 amOkay, here’s the thing.
Junior veto’s the stem cell research bill, and why ?
His veto has nothing to do with religious beliefs.
It is money for the medical industry pure and simple.
Don’t forget folks, there’s no money in a cure for disease.
There’s only money in the treatment of disease.
May God NOT HAVE MERCY on the souls of these disgusting pigs.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:10 amPresident Clinton,
America does not have the best health care system in the world.
For the wealthy, there is no doubt that they have access to some of the finest providers in the world. But as a ’system’ it does not even measure up to the results that nearly every other post-industrialized nation gets. Our system is a survival of the richest system.
In 2000, the World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 37th in the world in overall health care quality. 37th!?!?!?!? Greatest system in the world? NO
June 20th, 2007 at 10:10 amMen wear trousers – women wear slacks.
I tried to wear a Bostonian once, but I couldn’t get her buttoned.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:10 amWow how very “Christian†of you Daryll. compassionate conservatism at its best.
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 9:54 am
And I guess Christian for you means forcing people to give up their salary to pay for the health care of others, right? Is this what you consider Christian? forcing people to do what you liberals think is right?
Comment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 10:04 am
I wish I could shake your hand in person. My response to your comment, AMEN!
June 20th, 2007 at 10:11 amWow how very “Christian†of you Daryll. compassionate conservatism at its best.
Comment by Krazny
Couldn’t resist taking a swipe at a Christian, could you? Classic cheap shot—criticize with no understanding of Biblical Christianity.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:12 amIn 2000, the World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 37th in the world in overall health care quality. 37th!?!?!?!? Greatest system in the world? NO
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 20, 2007 @ 10:10 am
I’m wondering how universal health care would help our ranking in our health care quality. That’s like saying that if the NFL had 50 more teams, they’d play better football.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:13 amDaryll,
Why did Jesus give out free health care?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:14 amPresident Clinton,
America does not have the best health care system in the world.
For the wealthy, there is no doubt that they have access to some of the finest providers in the world. But as a ’system’ it does not even measure up to the results that nearly every other post-industrialized nation gets. Our system is a survival of the richest system.
In 2000, the World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 37th in the world in overall health care quality. 37th!?!?!?!? Greatest system in the world? NO
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 20, 2007 @ 10:10 am
Yes, let us belive the W.H.O. right? they are so honest, ran by none Liberals, right? please Crump’s Sister, don’t let us Liberals fool you so easily.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:15 amOkay, here’s the thing.
Junior veto’s the stem cell research bill, and why ?
His veto has nothing to do with religious beliefs.
It is money for the medical industry pure and simple.
Don’t forget folks, there’s no money in a cure for disease.
There’s only money in the treatment of disease.
May God NOT HAVE MERCY on the souls of these disgusting pigs.
Comment by Keith H. — June 20, 2007 @ 10:10 am
Keith, if it would have been a morally sound bill for medical research, our President would have signed it. President Bush has stated many times that he is against embryonic stem cell research. We want to save lives, but, if the government gives funding, we want to ensure that this medical method is morally correct.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:16 am20wordsorless sez:
Long time no see, dolt.
Couldn’t resist taking a swipe at a rational thinker, could you? Classic cheap shot—criticize with no understanding of objective reality.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:17 amcoachjason,
“I’m wondering how universal health care would help our ranking in our health care quality. That’s like saying that if the NFL had 50 more teams, they’d play better football”
It’s a fair question. For starters, every country that ranks ahead of us on that list, has universal coverage.
Universal coverage would at least go a long way to insuring that children who get an earache, can actually get medication for that earache, instead of having to pray that the infection doesn’t spread to their brain.
At the very least this country should insure every child. Children can’t choose their parents.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:17 amNo, it doesn’t prevent them from being destroyed. The embryos in question are the excess from the invitro fertilization process. They harvest a substantial amount of eggs and fertilize them all and keep using the resulting embryos until there is a successful pregnancy. The remaining embryos ARE DESTROYED. The proposal is to use these and only these embryos (which I remind you are going to be destroyed anyway) for stem cell research.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:18 am#68
Jesus would look at both of you and mutter, “Dickheads!”
June 20th, 2007 at 10:18 amAnd I guess Christian for you means forcing people to give up their salary to pay for the health care of others, right? Is this what you consider Christian? forcing people to do what you liberals think is right?
Comment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 10:04 am
I wish I could shake your hand in person. My response to your comment, AMEN!
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 10:11 am
Daryll,
I was a terrible President, I did so many horrific things, the least I can do is try to amend things after leaving office, right?
Yes, unfortunatly, many on the left believe that the Christian thing to do is to force people to give up their salaries to the government and let the government redistribute these equally to all the population. Many of my friends believe that the rich must be punished for being rich, for working hard, for studying hard. We all know that the majority of rich people in the USA didn’t inherit their wealth like in European, Asian and most other countries, rather in the USA we have the greatest number of people that went from being dirt poor, or middle class to be filthy rich, why? because of their hard work.
So, many of my left wing friends believe that the Christian thing to do is to force people to give up their wealth to take care of the lazy people and even those that aren’t lazy, but are poor.
sad, truly sad.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:19 amRe75: Point taken… unfortunately, I’m a little against the government giving anything away for free… why can we not offer affordable healthcare options for all americans. A universal healthcare system would basically be another tax-break for corporate America.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:19 amDaryll sez:
Daryll, when you obstinately refuse to change course in a bloody conflict that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, you’ve pretty much lost the moral high ground.
Mocking someone who’s about to be executed doesn’t really help your case, either.
Try again.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:19 am#73,
If Bush would have morally stated that he needed serviced, you would’ve jumped to the front of the line. Why do Christians have to be such schmucks?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:19 am“Why did Jesus give out free health care?”
Comment by Crump’s Brother
awesome
June 20th, 2007 at 10:20 amPresident Clinton,
You win. I’m done discussing anything with someone who refuses to take facts into account. I choose to live in the reality based world. One where reason and evidence win out over mindless rhetoric.
Have a nice day!
(Here’s where you call me names and say that I’m a mindless sycophant or something.)
June 20th, 2007 at 10:20 amYou have to sacrifice to survive in life. If you have to work two jobs to afford health insurance, THEN DO IT!
Comment by Daryll
What if Private Health companies decide to raise their prices all together. Govt cant do nothing and people have to work three jobs to afford health insurance? What if one must work 4, 5, 6 or 10 jobs? Whos gonna stop the corporations from deciding the prices they want? You think this is fiction? Go to Latinamerica.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:20 amThis is really depressing.
I just woke up and the 1st thing I see is bad news.
TP should run a positive story.
Negativity consumes a person too much.
I sick of being angry, I want to be happy again!
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr.
Well said Gerald. Conservatives have known this about liberals for quite some time—they are consumed with negativity and anger. Rather than expecting TP to post something positive, try limiting your exposure to this virulent environment. :)
June 20th, 2007 at 10:21 amcoachjason,
“I’m wondering how universal health care would help our ranking in our health care quality. That’s like saying that if the NFL had 50 more teams, they’d play better footballâ€
It’s a fair question. For starters, every country that ranks ahead of us on that list, has universal coverage.
Universal coverage would at least go a long way to insuring that children who get an earache, can actually get medication for that earache, instead of having to pray that the infection doesn’t spread to their brain.
At the very least this country should insure every child. Children can’t choose their parents.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 20, 2007 @ 10:17 am
and who pays for this universal health care crump’s brother? who? why do you want to force people to pay for YOUR universal health care?
furthemore, you are talking out of your behind, children today are given medications, etc for whatever ache they have if you take them to an emergency room, and even today the prescription is almost free, or free if you tell the hospital that you can’t afford it.
but answer the question, who would pay for this universal health care? and are you in favor of forcing people to give up a larger amount of their salaries to the government to pay for this universal health care?
and once again, Crump’s brother, only 13% of the population in the USA is without health care.
and having an universal health care system is NOT gonig to improve the health of americans, what is going to improve it is more movement, exercise and such and eating better, not a universal health care system.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:23 amcoachjason,
“unfortunately, I’m a little against the government giving anything away for free”
It’s not free. I’m in favor of a single payer system. That would be where we the people pool our collective resources and negotiate with individual providers for services. The providers will not work for the government like they do in the VA system. But the insurance industry (which is the source of nearly every downfall of our system) will be made obsolete.) ANd of course the wealthies among us can opt out and pay for their own care if they so choose.
It’s not free, and it actually will make things less expensive on a per patient basis. THis system actually puts more money back in the pockets of the average tax payer.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:24 amPublic health is good for the economy in addition to being indispensable to a functioning society (see also: Cholera, Bubonic plague, Polio, Cigarette smoking, Typhiod fever, Yellow fever, etc.). Healthcare is only costly when the corporations take over and the doctors, scientists and other providers become employees – did you ever wonder where all of this money goes?
Did you ever wonder why there is no corporate “ownership” of lawyers or law firms – the other huge “professional” discipline? You know why? well, I’ll tell you: the lawyers know what will happen to their incomes if thay let the “Professional Managers” take a superior position within the profit/income hierarchy.
Might I add – those are very attractive slacks you’re wearing. Did you buy them at Ann Taylor?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:24 amYes, let us belive the W.H.O. right? they are so honest, ran by none Liberals, right?
Comment by President Clinton
Wow. Just when you thought you have listened to everything.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:24 amDaryll sez:
Keith, if it would have been a morally sound bill for medical research, our President would have signed it.
Daryll, when you obstinately refuse to change course in a bloody conflict that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, you’ve pretty much lost the moral high ground.
Mocking someone who’s about to be executed doesn’t really help your case, either.
Try again.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 20, 2007 @ 10:19 am
Well, Trip, here is my question to you? Was your office bombed? Do you have a physical ailment because of exposure to nuclear material?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:24 am20wordsorless sez:
That’s because, unlike your ilk, we’re intellectually honest enough to see the world as it is, rather than ignoring the facts and trying to live in an infantile little fantasy world.
You’re entitled to your own opinions, dolt (however flawed they may be), but you are not entitled to your own facts.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:25 amYou have to sacrifice to survive in life. If you have to work two jobs to afford health insurance, THEN DO IT!
Comment by Daryll
What if Private Health companies decide to raise their prices all together. Govt cant do nothing and people have to work three jobs to afford health insurance? What if one must work 4, 5, 6 or 10 jobs? Whos gonna stop the corporations from deciding the prices they want? You think this is fiction? Go to Latinamerica.
Comment by Juan C — June 20, 2007 @ 10:20 am
Explain China, why can’t Chinese, with a universal health care, afford medicine?
how about in Venezuela, same thing, universal health care system is there and guess what…..people still cant’ afford it.
and why do us Liberals always want government to present solutions to our problems, are you not the first ones to claim that government doesn’t work?
I mean think about it, they can’t even get our passports on time, how the hell are we going to get government to give us health care on time? explain!
June 20th, 2007 at 10:26 amDaryll is not constrained by meer logic, facts, truth, or sense.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:27 amDaryll,
Why did Jesus give out free health care?
Comment by Crump’s Brother
I’ll answer this…
He healed the sick and raised the dead in order to fulfill the scriptures concerning him, and to prove that he was from God. It should be noted that he did not heal everyone, nor was his heath care as you put it, universal.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:27 am#73,
If Bush would have morally stated that he needed serviced, you would’ve jumped to the front of the line. Why do Christians have to be such schmucks?
Comment by Barbarian — June 20, 2007 @ 10:19 am
Barbarian, I support our President because he upholds moral standards in every aspect of our government. Can make the same implication about your previous President, Bill Clinton?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:27 amExactly.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:28 am#16
Jesus hates you, Daryll.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:28 am20wordsorless sez:
Conservatives have known this about liberals for quite some time—they are consumed with negativity and anger.
That’s because, unlike your ilk, we’re intellectually honest enough to see the world as it is, rather than ignoring the facts and trying to live in an infantile little fantasy world.
You’re entitled to your own opinions, dolt (however flawed they may be), but you are not entitled to your own facts.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 20, 2007 @ 10:25 am
yes, we are sad, depressed little creatures, aren’t we Liberals?
we make up facts, TripMaster knows this too well, we make up facts and we make up things to depress everyone and anyone around us.
yes, we are sad little creatures….
In the 1960s, it was overpopulation that was going to destroy the world….oh the horrors, the pain, the suffering.
In the 1970s it was Global Icing, oh the horrors, the pain and the suffering.
In the 1980s it was going to be Reagan and his cowboy ways, which was going to force the USSR to launch nuclear weapons against us….oh the horrors, the pains, the suffering
In the 1990s….well I ruled the 1990s, and I had so many Liberals sucking my….well you know what, that they were in Heaven!
and now in the 21st century, it is Global Warming, Bush, etc who are going to destroy the world….oh the horror, the pain, the suffering!
there is much to be depressed about….. :(
June 20th, 2007 at 10:29 amIf the individual has to work two jobs to afford health insurance then do it.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 9:51 am
Wow how very “Christian†of you Daryll. compassionate conservatism at its best.
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Daryll is not constrained by meer logic, facts, truth, or sense.
Comment by smafdy — June 20, 2007 @ 10:27 am
Once again, smafdy, you are another toolish Liberal who believes that being a good Christian (even though you are an athiest) means forcing people to give up their paychecks to take care of others.
“forcing” being the key word in your universal health care.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:30 amhow about in Venezuela, same thing, universal health care system is there and guess what…..people still cant’ afford it.
Comment by President Clinton
If it is universal how is that some people cant afford it? Im at a loss here.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:31 amOh, and Jesus didn’t give out free health care…..
He cured the sick expecting that these would turn their lives and be God’s servants.
Nothing is free in this world, not even Jesus’ healings.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:31 amDaryll sez:
The fact that you think that that’s an argument speaks volumes about your abysmal lack of moral character, Daryll.
Read this and reflect on your shortcomings.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:31 amhow about in Venezuela, same thing, universal health care system is there and guess what…..people still cant’ afford it.
Comment by President Clinton
If it is universal how is that some people cant afford it? Im at a loss here.
Comment by Juan C — June 20, 2007 @ 10:31 am
People can’t go to hospitals, people don’t get cured, people are ran out of hospitals, etc, etc, etc.
but all of you, my Liberals, have avoided the main question here, how do you plan to pay for this universal health care system? anyone dare answer this question?
and if the government can’t get our passports back to us on time, how do you expect that the government give us timely health care?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:33 am20wordsorless,
“He healed the sick and raised the dead in order to fulfill the scriptures concerning him, and to prove that he was from God. It should be noted that he did not heal everyone, nor was his heath care as you put it, universal.”
I don’t think Jesus healed anyone. I was trying to make a point (that was obviously lost on you) that those who follow Jesus, might be troubled by the fact that our privatized health care system, leaves the least among us, without access to care. Including children, which by my reading of the bible, is morally reprehensible.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:33 amPresident Bush has stated many times that he is against embryonic stem cell research. We want to save lives, but, if the government gives funding, we want to ensure that this medical method is morally correct.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Let me explain it to you again Daryll, and for your brother Daryll as well.
The REASON dipshit says he’s against stem cell research has NOTHING to do with being morally correct.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:34 amIt is simply the fact that the sooner a cure for a particular disease is found, the sooner the medical industry makes less money selling drugs and otherwise TREATING the disease.
Now, do ya get the picture Daryll ? Or is that to complex for you ?
Well, your Jesus dude said that you most likely (actually, in his story he said that it was an impossibility) for a rich man to enter his kingdom. You got a beef with Jesus, or will you tell me that’s not what he meant?
You are forced to pay for the healthcare of others because you are too cheap and unfeeling to do so on your own.
As to your “wealth”, I guess you are the seldom seen “self-made man”.
I’ll bet you got help.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:35 am“forcing†being the key word in your universal health care.
Comment by President Clinton
Oh, funny stuff. Do you know which side of the political spectrum won for you an 8 hour/day labor, which side banned child labor, which side fought for women´s right to vote? mmmm…nope. I guess you dont have a clue of what happened in Europe on 1848.
Funny how factory owners at that time defended the use of child labor saying that it was a “christian virtue of work” in comparison with atheist cruelty for forbidding those children virtue. Hehehehe.
Keep on defending that.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:35 amDaryll sez:
Well, Trip, here is my question to you? Was your office bombed? Do you have a physical ailment because of exposure to nuclear material?
The fact that you think that that’s an argument speaks volumes about your abysmal lack of moral character, Daryll.
Read this and reflect on your shortcomings.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 20, 2007 @ 10:31 am
Trip, If both scenarios did not happen, please thank Jesus and President Bush. We are in this war to ensure that terrorist cells and organizations do not attack us on our soil. As indicated prior to the beginning of the war, the President warned Americans/Iraqis that there would be sacrifices for protection and liberation. Many soldiers and civilians have died, but their death is not in vain.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:37 amJuan C.
Explain how universal health care in China has helped this woman…..
http://news.yahoo.com/ photo/ 070620/ ids_photos_wl/ r4117771763.jpg
“A woman, 44, who is suffering from cancer but cannot afford medical costs, sits on a rooftop during a suicide attempt as a rescue worker stops her in Shenyang, capital of northeastern China’s Liaoning province June 19, 2007
June 20th, 2007 at 10:37 ambut all of you, my Liberals, have avoided the main question here, how do you plan to pay for this universal health care system? anyone dare answer this question?
Comment by President Clinton
Stop funding wars. Thank you.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:39 amUniversal Health care seems to work in Canada, the UK, France, etc. I enjoy how you always point out that it fails in third world countries, unless I am mistaken, the US is not a 3 world country. I took a swipe at Daryll’s false piety, and use of Christianity to justify his hatred and bigotry. You can attack me for being a non-Christian, or for attacking Christains, that is fine by me, however I am not an atheist nor have I ever claimed not to be Christian. I was raised Lutheran, and the teachings and gospel I heard every Sunday don’t match up with the cult Daryll, and people like you follow.
Another Question Daryll, how would a person suffering from MS be able to work 2 jobs to pay their medical bills?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:40 amJesus Christ!
My hip waders aren’t tall enough to wade through the Trollshit here this morning.
What’s with these jokers? Hanging out with people you don’t agree with must be a Rightard genetic flaw.
Hey Trolls, we’ll pay you a penny for each lost e-mail of KKKarls. C’mon, do the math…one of you could make as much as $140 today! That’s at least twice as much as Ken ‘Barbie’ Mehlman’s paying you now!
Plus, you get to dig in KKKarl’s ass! Daryll, I knew you’d be first in line!
June 20th, 2007 at 10:40 am“forcing†being the key word in your universal health care.
Comment by President Clinton
Oh, funny stuff. Do you know which side of the political spectrum won for you an 8 hour/day labor, which side banned child labor, which side fought for women´s right to vote? mmmm…nope. I guess you dont have a clue of what happened in Europe on 1848.
Funny how factory owners at that time defended the use of child labor saying that it was a “christian virtue of work†in comparison with atheist cruelty for forbidding those children virtue. Hehehehe.
Keep on defending that.
Comment by Juan C — June 20, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Unions were good during their times, and sorry, these unions were not made up of atheists, Juan C., but rather Christians.
and about child labor, yes horrific, but guess what, before it was banned in the late 19th century and early 20th century, it had been happening for millenias, nothing to do with being Christian or not.
nice try though, my ignorant Juan C.
you ignorant atheist, or more like you militant atheist never fail to sound completly and utterly ignorant.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:40 am#73 Daryll
President Bush has stated many times that he is against embryonic stem cell research. We want to save lives, but, if the government gives funding, we want to ensure that this medical method is morally correct.
So, keeping hundreds of thousands of blastocysts in freezers forever, or perhaps throwing them in the trash after several years and a bit of freezer-burn, is your idea of saving lives?
It’s purely symbolic, Daryll. And, considering how quickly and effortlessly your pal Bush will drop a bomb on innocent civilians of all ages (even fetuses in their mothers’ wombs!), your symbolic gestures are a joke. A very sick joke. You obviously don’t count Iraqi lives as human lives.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:42 am...That’s because, unlike your ilk, we’re intellectually honest enough to see the world as it is, rather than ignoring the facts and trying to live in an infantile little fantasy world…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
To follow your logic—negativity and anger equals intellectual honesty, and being positive and happy equals ignoring the facts. No my friend, your anger and your dour outlook are not products of intellectual honesty. They come from ignoring the facts; There is a God, you are a sinner, and you are lost.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:43 amUniversal Health care seems to work in Canada, the UK, France, etc. I enjoy how you always point out that it fails in third world countries, unless I am mistaken, the US is not a 3 world country. I took a swipe at Daryll’s false piety, and use of Christianity to justify his hatred and bigotry. You can attack me for being a non-Christian, or for attacking Christains, that is fine by me, however I am not an atheist nor have I ever claimed not to be Christian. I was raised Lutheran, and the teachings and gospel I heard every Sunday don’t match up with the cult Daryll, and people like you follow.
Another Question Daryll, how would a person suffering from MS be able to work 2 jobs to pay their medical bills?
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 10:40 am
WRONG!!! universal health care systems are not working in 1st world nations. You are completly and utterly mistaken.
Countless rich French, English, Swedish, Canadians, etc are constantly traveling to the USA to get the health care that their universal health care system denied them.
there are horror stories in these nations of people having to wait months, if not years before a doctor could see them because the universal health care system said that what they had wasn’t an emergency.
you are lying to yourself and allowing Liberals like me to use you like a tool.
universal health care systems don’t work. Furthermore, these punish the poor, since it is the rich that can afford to come to the USA to get the treatments denied to them in their countries.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:43 amSo, I see China is communist, right? mmmm…ok. China´s government is made by the proletariat? So, again and really slow, is China a communist country? Its health care program is from a communist country?
Nahhh.
Who said I defend China´s health care program?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:47 amDaryll and the asswipe who thinks he’s President Clinton,
Read the parable of the Good Samaritan. Jesus made his thoughts pretty clear when he told this. If you’re still too dense to understand what he’s talking about, admit it and ask someone to explain it to you.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:48 amMy, Daryll – you’re so full of self-disclosure today! Your office was bombed? Was it the The Coyote or Marvin the Martian? (if you work at the WTC or Pentagon, then technically, you weren’t bombed – you were the victim of box-cutters being misused).
I am certain you have an “ailent caused by exposure to nuclear (actually, its NukUlar) radiation. I’ve told you before: never take off your tin-foil hat.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:48 amIt’s not free. I’m in favor of a single payer system. That would be where we the people pool our collective resources and negotiate with individual providers for services. The providers will not work for the government like they do in the VA system. But the insurance industry (which is the source of nearly every downfall of our system) will be made obsolete.) ANd of course the wealthies among us can opt out and pay for their own care if they so choose.
It’s not free, and it actually will make things less expensive on a per patient basis. THis system actually puts more money back in the pockets of the average tax payer.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 20, 2007 @ 10:24 am
If this kind of system could be implemented, I’d be all for it. But what you’re proposing is not “universal health care”
June 20th, 2007 at 10:48 amAnd before I forget, many of the reasons that we’re so low on the quality of health care ratings has as much to do with our social medical practices as it does with our insurance industry.
Universal health care has been proven to provide better care to citizens of those countries where it has been adopted, and for less cost than the current U.S. system. Plain and simple: IT WORKS BETTER AND COSTS LESS.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:48 amDaryll sez:
I don’t know what’s sillier, thanking a mythological figure for passing over me as he allegedly smites countless others (most of whom don’t deserve such treatment), or thanking the psychotic chimpanzee who started this idiotic war of imperialist expansion in the first place. In either case, it’s akin to thanking a disgruntled employee for not shooting me as he guns down my friends and co-workers. You might think there’s reason to thank him, but I certainly don’t.
BZZZT! Try again, Daryll. We stopped buying the ridiculous “fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here” canard a while ago.
I don’t need Chimpy’s “protection”, and I’m pretty damned sure the 700,000+ dead Iraqi civilians, plus the survivors who now get to live through generations of horror thanks to all the DU we’ve dropped on their country, aren’t thanking Chimpy for their “liberation”, either. Chimpy “liberating” the Iraqis from Saddam Hussein is a bit like “liberating” an egg from the frying pan by dumping it into the fire, and then castigating the egg for not being properly grateful.
Oh, most certainly not. Their deaths have ensured that Amerika will enjoy a permanent presence in the Middle East, and that untold profits will continue to flow to Big Oil and the war profiteers. Not in vain at all.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:48 am#73 Daryll
President Bush has stated many times that he is against embryonic stem cell research. We want to save lives, but, if the government gives funding, we want to ensure that this medical method is morally correct.
So, keeping hundreds of thousands of blastocysts in freezers forever, or perhaps throwing them in the trash after several years and a bit of freezer-burn, is your idea of saving lives?
It’s purely symbolic, Daryll. And, considering how quickly and effortlessly your pal Bush will drop a bomb on innocent civilians of all ages (even fetuses in their mothers’ wombs!), your symbolic gestures are a joke. A very sick joke. You obviously don’t count Iraqi lives as human lives.
Comment by chimpeach — June 20, 2007 @ 10:42 am
Chimpeach, read post 109. Death is a part of war.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:50 amPlease limit your posts to 20 words or less.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:50 amDear rightards,
Despite the hype from you beloved comedian rush limbaugh, go talk to a Canadian, a Frenchmen, or a Brit. they will tell you that the healthcare system works fine. No 3 month waits, no dying while they put you on a waiting list, etc. you are being fed a lie, and big lie by those who don’t want to see a one payer system. Keep it up though. Eventually there will be such a system in this country. The Insurance companies will be forced out, and have to earn a real living.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:51 amUniversal health care has been proven to provide better care to citizens of those countries where it has been adopted, and for less cost than the current U.S. system. Plain and simple: IT WORKS BETTER AND COSTS LESS.
Comment by No Pardon for Treason. — June 20, 2007 @ 10:48 am
wrong, universal health care is not cheaper! do you know the rate percentage that European nations that have universal health care tax their citizens? do you know?
Universal health care doesn’t work and it is not cheaper. don’t be so naive and gullible.
answer this question, if universal health care works so well then why are the rich people of these countries constantly coming to the USA to get treatments that they could not get through their universal health care system. Explain.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:52 am20wordsorless sez:
Given the current state of reality, that is correct. Of course, as you are constitutionally incapable of recognizing objective reality, the argument is predictably lost on you.
Did anyone else hear that spring snap?
TP admins: new troll, please. This one is broken (again).
June 20th, 2007 at 10:53 amDear rightards,
Despite the hype from you beloved comedian rush limbaugh, go talk to a Canadian, a Frenchmen, or a Brit. they will tell you that the healthcare system works fine. No 3 month waits, no dying while they put you on a waiting list, etc. you are being fed a lie, and big lie by those who don’t want to see a one payer system. Keep it up though. Eventually there will be such a system in this country. The Insurance companies will be forced out, and have to earn a real living.
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 10:51 am
Bullshit Krazny, I have spoken to English, Canadian, French, etc. the horror stories are real, there are 3 months or more waiting period for things that the government deems non-threatening, people have died waiting to receive health care. People from Canada, England, France, etc., rich people that is, come to the USA to get the treatment that their universal health care system refuse to give them.
Krazny, you are ignorant and talking out of your behind. Stop with the lies.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:54 amChimpeach, read post 123. Idiocy is unavoidable.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:54 amI’m afraid that President Clinton has a point, though his methods are strange (at best). We should never copy another country’s healthcare system, or any other system for that matter, just because it works. If their systems are great, we could use them as a base to start at, then improve it and make our system the envy of the world. We’ve done this in so many other ways in our history, why would we stop now?
June 20th, 2007 at 10:55 amI don’t think Jesus healed anyone. I was trying to make a point (that was obviously lost on you) that those who follow Jesus, might be troubled by the fact that our privatized health care system, leaves the least among us, without access to care. Including children, which by my reading of the bible, is morally reprehensible.
Comment by Crump’s Brother
Your reading of the Bible is sorely lacking in comprehension. How anyone could read it and not see that Jesus healed the sick is beyond me. I suspect that you don’t even believe the Bible. I think, based on your limited understanding of it, you are trying to hold those who are opposed to government health care, to some sort of moral standard. By the way, the teaching that you referenced has nothing to do with government responsibility.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:56 amSo, I see China is communist, right? mmmm…ok. China´s government is made by the proletariat? So, again and really slow, is China a communist country? Its health care program is from a communist country?
Nahhh.
Who said I defend China´s health care program?
Comment by Juan C — June 20, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Juan C. try to follow…..you are for universal health care, right? China has universal health care, right? China’s universal health care doesn’t work. As the story shows and there are many more similar stories, this woman is willing to commit suicide since she can’t get treatment for her cancer thanks to China’s universal health care system.
so, as you see, you are defending China’s health care system which is a universal health care system.
try to keep up my communist friend.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:56 amyou ignorant atheist, or more like you militant atheist never fail to sound completly and utterly ignorant.
Comment by President Clinton
Not a lot of vocabulary, right?
BTW, I noticed that you said nothing about the costs of Afghanistan and Iraq´s occupation, that would easily pay for universal health care. I guess making wars is far more important than caring about your fellow citizens. Really christian.
Who said ONLY Christians defended and used child labor, huh? I posted the historical scenario that brought the working rights you have right now. But, Im guessing you are not a rocket scientist. Keep on the Clinton stuff. It is really amusing.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:57 amPresident Clinton
wrong, universal health care is not cheaper! do you know the rate percentage that European nations that have universal health care tax their citizens? do you know?
Yes, there are higher taxes, which are offset by not having to pay a monthly premium.
The cost of Universal Healthcare is roughly 40 Billion a year(Google it, theres some decent studys that break it down for you), once you account for the savings to the system for the uninsured having insurance.
40 Billion divided by 300 million is roughly 134 dollars a year. Currently I spend roughly 2.5K a year for the bare minimum health care. Sounds like a savings to me. Other people I know, with much better plans, pay any where from 200 a year to 1K a year. Still a savings for them.
Now if your going to look at these other countries tax rates, you have to realize that there are many, many, more entitlements and the such that raise the tax rates, not just healthcare.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:00 amBullshit Krazny, I have spoken to English, Canadian, French, etc. the horror stories are real, there are 3 months or more waiting period for things that the government deems non-threatening, people have died waiting to receive health care.
Comment by President Clinton
IT IS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE HAPPY HOUR!!!!
June 20th, 2007 at 11:01 amI am an atheist, having become on after studying world religions with a heavy focus on Judeo-Christianity (a cultural emphasis). As a result, I know the Bible quite well (you don’t want to fu(k w/me on this, I’ll knock your punk-ass out). As a rational human, I am able to get the “Christian” message without having to twist it to justify my own lack of moral perfection. Thus, I do not have to live a contradiction. You have appropriated the ideas of Jesus for your own nefarious ends, and in doing so, you betray him.
All taxes are forced. Why should I pay for your bloodbath in Iraq? You’re healthy (at least, you have insurance), you should go fight in the war. Why am I paying for you?
finally, you really attack my posts. Good to know I’m not just wasting time.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:02 am20wordsorless,
“I suspect that you don’t even believe the Bible.”
You catch on pretty quick. I think the bible is a crock of sh*t. I tend not to believe everything I read. Especially when what I’m reading makes moronic claims about virgin births and resurrections. When it justifies slavery and stoning of children that get out of line.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:02 amSorry President dude, I have friends in Canada, one just had 6 months worth of surgeries to repair his eyes, not only was he in and out of the hospital in the same time frame as he would have been in the US, but he also was able to stay home, because he couldn’t work, and not have to worry about making the house payment.
I think 20words is correct. We don’t need to exactly copy someones system. it is a matter of making our own working system. The biggest step, I think would be to remove the for profit insurance industry. It has been a detriment to the US healt care system
People before profits
June 20th, 2007 at 11:04 amJuan C
IT IS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE HAPPY HOUR!!!!
Well what are statistics in the non-scientific community besides just a large collection of anecdotal evidence?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:05 amBlasphemy! (if there was such a thing. Being that we are talikng fiction, I’ll play along). Jesus preached taking care of the poor and the sick. You are an enemy of the teachings of the man referred to as “Jesus”. Spineless and disgusting.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:05 am20wordsorless,
“I suspect that you don’t even believe the Bible.â€
You catch on pretty quick. I think the bible is a crock of sh*t. I tend not to believe everything I read. Especially when what I’m reading makes moronic claims about virgin births and resurrections. When it justifies slavery and stoning of children that get out of line.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 20, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Isn’t there a saying about athiests in foxholes???? Is it safe to assume you never served your country?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:07 amWell what are statistics in the non-scientific community besides just a large collection of anecdotal evidence?
Comment by squegeebooo
Huh? Statistics = mathematical method. Anecdotal Evidence = folklore.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:08 amJesus preached taking care of the poor and the sick. You are an enemy of the teachings of the man referred to as “Jesusâ€. Spineless and disgusting.
Comment by smafdy — June 20, 2007 @ 11:05 am
smafdy, if you’d be so kind as to point out the scripture where it says to take care of the sick and poor using government mandated programs that tax everyone but the sick and poor?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:09 amIs it safe to assume you never served your country?
Comment by coachjason
Serve means only to be trained to kill? Or means to raise a family, be a teacher, a firefighter, a single mom or the guy who picks up your trash?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:10 amJuan C
Huh? Statistics = mathematical method. Anecdotal Evidence = folklore.
Only in certain arenas, if your looking at a hard science like physics or chemistry, then there is a difference, if your looking at a soft science, then statistics are just based on a larger sampling of Anecdotal evidence.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:11 amJesus preached taking care of the poor and the sick. You are an enemy of the teachings of the man referred to as “Jesusâ€. Spineless and disgusting.
Comment by smafdy — June 20, 2007 @ 11:05 am
yes, he preached this, but not that you should be forced to take care of the poor and sick, but rather that out of your own free will you do it.
see the difference. Us Liberals want to force people to take care of the poor and sick. When we should encourage it, but not force it on people.
Forcing people to take care of the poor and sick is not what Jesus preached.
smafdy, please shut up, your ignorance it pathetic.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:13 amServe means only to be trained to kill? Or means to raise a family, be a teacher, a firefighter, a single mom or the guy who picks up your trash?
Comment by Juan C — June 20, 2007 @ 11:10 am
I mean to voluntarily enlist in the protection of your country. I’m wondering how a single mom can protect you from a foreign invasion. Being a single dad for 8 years, I’m pretty sure you will not call me as a hero like you just regarded single moms.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:13 amWhat do you mean by soft sciences? If you use Statistics as a mathematical method of obtaining info, it cant be anecdotal evidence.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:14 amI do know that Jesus did not preach greed, arrogance and self-centeredness. you can define it anyway you want PC, but in the end you are not following the teachings of Christ. Instead you are altering his words to suit your views.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:15 amcoachjason,
“Isn’t there a saying about athiests in foxholes???? Is it safe to assume you never served your country?”
This always comes off as the most arrogant statement. It assumes that atheists are cowards who wont fight and die for their country. It also assumes that the only true service is that of the military variety. Sad.
But to answer your question, I have served in my country. Not that it in anyway is substantive to being atheist. You are atheist as well. I guessing I’m atheist in comparison to you because I believe in only one less god than you do. Are you atheist in regards to Odin or Zeus? I thought so.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:16 amJesus preached taking care of the poor and the sick. You are an enemy of the teachings of the man referred to as “Jesusâ€. Spineless and disgusting.
Comment by smafdy — June 20, 2007 @ 11:05 am
smafdy, if you’d be so kind as to point out the scripture where it says to take care of the sick and poor using government mandated programs that tax everyone but the sick and poor?
Comment by coachjason — June 20, 2007 @ 11:09 am
careful coachjason, smafdy supposedly knows the Bible inside out. hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha!!!!
June 20th, 2007 at 11:16 amExactly. Nothing in politics or governance has to do with being Christian or not – so stop trying to back your hideous political philosophy with the name of a moral philosophy you do not espouse.
I gotta’ tell ya’: yer’ lookin’ really stupid this morning. Have a cup of coffee and try again.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:17 amI’m wondering how a single mom can protect you from a foreign invasion.
Comment by coachjason
Propaganda boy, when was the last time you have to actually defend your country from an invasion?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:18 amI do know that Jesus did not preach greed, arrogance and self-centeredness. you can define it anyway you want PC, but in the end you are not following the teachings of Christ. Instead you are altering his words to suit your views.
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 11:15 am
no, Jesus Christ didn’t preach to force anyone to do anything, my friend.
Yes, he preached that the poor, sick and all should be taken care of, but He didn’t preach that government should force people to force anyone to do anything.
Free will my friend, free will, it is big in Christianity.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:18 amAmong the six nations studied — Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States — the U.S. ranks last, as it did in the 2006 and 2004 editions of [our report]. Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and … the U.S. is last on dimensions of access, patient safety, efficiency and equity.
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/5401/1/266/
June 20th, 2007 at 11:21 amFree will my friend, free will, it is big in Christianity.
Comment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Not really, the catholic church in the past hasn’t been that big into free will. Nor are many of the small cult sects of christianity.
As for the whole government issue, well I will pray that God forgives you for you greed, and hatred.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:22 amRE 150: As much as I’d like to argue religon with you… you bring up a good point, and you make me laugh…
June 20th, 2007 at 11:22 amI repect that you do not believe in a higher power, and I would die fighting for you to have that right. That being said, is there ever any part of you that is afraid you are wrong? I know that from time to time, I question whether there’s a God and whether or not Jesus was his son. I’m afraid that I could be wrong. But what scares me even more is that when I die, there’s nothing else. I personally think I’ve witnessed too many miracles for there to not be any more after I die.
But like I said, I don’t want to start a fight with you, I’m just pleasantly curious.
Juan C
What do you mean by soft sciences?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_science
“Soft science is a colloquial term, often used for academic research or scholarship which is purportedly “scientific” while its adherence to or rigor of scientific method is considered to be lacking, not based on reproducible experimental data, and/or a mathematical explanation of that data. The term is usually used as a contrast to hard science.”
If you use Statistics as a mathematical method of obtaining info, it cant be anecdotal evidence.
Heres what I’m getting at:
Anecdotal Evidence = “I have a friend that says the answer is A, and another friend who says the answer is B”
Statistics = “I have 5 friends that say the answer is A, and 8 friends that say the answer is B”
June 20th, 2007 at 11:22 amNow I understand. So that makes it right. Just like it says in the Book of Hiopcrites, Chapter 2, verses 11-17. Good excuse. Too bad it’s BS.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:23 amHa!
June 20th, 2007 at 11:24 amAmong the six nations studied — Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States — the U.S. ranks last, as it did in the 2006 and 2004 editions of [our report]. Most troubling, the U.S. fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and … the U.S. is last on dimensions of access, patient safety, efficiency and equity.
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/ article/ articleview/ 5401/ 1/ 266/
Comment by No Pardon for Treason. — June 20, 2007 @ 11:21 am
hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your study from a Marxist, anti-capitalist, anti-USA website?
please my friend, you are the only fool believing this propaganda.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:25 amMan, I am tired of the same old trolls (some with different names, some with the same) with the same empty arguments day after day. It’s like they think that we think like they do. If it is repeated enough, we will believe it whether it is true or not. I really don’t think they can wrap their little minds around the fact that we think for ourselves instead of being told by someone. And they think that if they just tell us enough, we will be brought into their mindless unthinking fold. Meanwhile, everyone is frustrated.
Heyzeus, your posts are hilarious! I love the little irreverent zingers you throw in and have come to look forward to them on the threads.
Crumps brother. I weep for you and your family. While at the moment it doesn’t directly affect my family, I can empathize. This is why we all continue to fight for what is right. Because we haven’t lost what it really means to make us human and to care about one another.
To all you fools that mock Juan,
June 20th, 2007 at 11:27 amI doubt you have a tenth of his intelligence. I don’t hear about you blogging about what matters to you in a language other than your native one. Juan’s world view brings untold depth to this blog. Get out of your hive once in a while. Sheesh
coachjason,
“But like I said, I don’t want to start a fight with you, I’m just pleasantly curious.”
I’m more than willing to talk to you about it.
“I’m afraid that I could be wrong.”
This is understandable. It’s one of the tools of religion that gets people to fall in line. But ask yourself this; if I’m only believeing because I’m scared of what happens after I die, is that really belief? I would argue that its not faith or belief. That’s just fear of the unknown.
It’s understandable to be scared of death. No one, no matter what they say, KNOWS what happens after this life ends. But I simply refuse to be intellectually dishonest with myself and buy the idea that there is a heaven or hell, when there is no evidence to support that idea.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:27 amI’m wondering how a single mom can protect you from a foreign invasion.
Comment by coachjason
Propaganda boy, when was the last time you have to actually defend your country from an invasion?
Comment by Juan C — June 20, 2007 @ 11:18 am
I knew this would be an impossible discussion without someone resorting to childish namecalling. Just because I haven’t called in an airstrike on Omaha, Nebraska to fend off a foreign invasion, does not mean that we don’t need a military. If we don’t have one and everyone else does, who do you think is more vulnerable. But then again you resorted to sophomoric tactics by dismissing the question and making fun of the questioner. I guess I shouldn’t have expected more from the so-called elites.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:27 amSo, you don’t believe we live in a Judeo-Christian society? Isn’t that what the rethuglican base is always whining? Can’t have it both ways. Jesus don’t do loopholes.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:27 amWelcome to straw man city. I’ll tell you what your position is, and you defend it.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:29 amFree will my friend, free will, it is big in Christianity.
Comment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Not really, the catholic church in the past hasn’t been that big into free will. Nor are many of the small cult sects of christianity.
As for the whole government issue, well I will pray that God forgives you for you greed, and hatred.
Comment by Krazny — June 20, 2007 @ 11:22 am
what?! The Roman Catholic Church is huge into Free Will my friend. Stop being so ignorant.
and greed and hatred? hatred towards who? nice to see that you run out of ideas and you start attacking, my lap dog.
greed? why because I don’t want government forcing me to pay for your health care?
how about giving me the choice to pay for your health care, right?
aren’t we Liberals huge into choice? or only when it comes to murdering babies?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:30 amwhile its adherence to or rigor of scientific method is considered to be lacking, not based on reproducible experimental data, and/or a mathematical explanation of that data. The term is usually used as a contrast to hard science.â€
Soft science, right? But then you can use Statistics (MATH explanation) to give a trend… Im at a loss. But I agree with you.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:31 amWelcome to straw man city. I’ll tell you what your position is, and you defend it.
Comment by smafdy — June 20, 2007 @ 11:29 am
smafdy,
wait my ignorant friend, I was waiting for all those quotes in the Bible where Jesus said that governments have to force their citizens to pay for universal health care.
what happened?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:31 amIt’s understandable to be scared of death. No one, no matter what they say, KNOWS what happens after this life ends. But I simply refuse to be intellectually dishonest with myself and buy the idea that there is a heaven or hell, when there is no evidence to support that idea.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 20, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Doesn’t the “what if I’m wrong” feeling ever enter your mind? Like you said “No one knows what happens after this life ends”. If my beliefs are right and yours are wrong, aren’t you in for an eternity of hell? I know that’s an old cliche’ but I think the question is still pertinent.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:33 amThe trolls seem to be out in force right now…something bad must be coming down the pipeline that they want to divert attention away from, or it has already come down the pipe and they are blowing smoke to cover.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:35 amCrump’s Brother… one more question… and I need to ask this to understnd you a little better. Have you ever watched someone die (and I don’t mean on t.v., I mean really watched someone take their last breath in this world?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:35 amGeez I have bad grammer… and my gramper ain’t so good either…
June 20th, 2007 at 11:36 amComment by coachjason
Are you going to answer the question? Thats the whole point of name calling: description. You just used an argument brought from Manifest Destiny.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:36 amOh sorry juan, I missed the question mixed in with the other garbage. The answer is that I’ve never protected my country form an invasion. So when was the last time you were a single mom?
June 20th, 2007 at 11:38 amWhy do Republicans fight so hard against a system that PROVIDES BETTER CARE AT A LOWER COST? Must be that they want to continue to funnel money to their fatcat friends at the pharmaceutical and health care companies.
Greedy Republicans. “Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers . . . ” means nothing to these people.
Have a lovely day.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:38 amComment by Bluedahlia — June 20, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Looks like you covered all the important stuff, BD! :)
Gotta get ready to head home.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:39 amJuan C
Soft science, right? But then you can use Statistics (MATH explanation) to give a trend… Im at a loss. But I agree with you.
Yah, I think I picked the wrong word originally when I used ‘Statistics’ not sure which one would fit better though. Basically I was arguing that in soft sciences, such as political science, cases are often built on a whole bunch of anecdotal evidence to show a trend or to support a theory, where as in hard sciences, such as physics, you need something better than “well, a bunch of other scientists support my thought process”.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:40 amsmafdy, if you’d be so kind as to point out the scripture where it says to take care of the sick and poor using government mandated programs that tax everyone but the sick and poor?
Comment by coachjason — June 20, 2007 @ 11:09 am
I never claimed that the J-dude said the government was supposed to do it. What I’m asking is why a “Christian” would object to it. Especially a “Christian” or “Christians” who claim to be wealthy, and who are clearly demonstrating their love of Mammon over their love of their fellow man. i didn’t inject jesus into the conversation. When I use your own words regarding Jesus’ teachings to beat you senseless, please don’t complain – you brought the weapon, I took it from you and showed you how to use it.
My god you are a dumbass. Shorter coachjason (BTW – stay away from my kids): The poor and sick should be taxed for the services they recieve. Long live the Roman empire. Jesus was a liberal criminal.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:42 amNo Pardon for Treason.
Why do Republicans fight so hard against a system that PROVIDES BETTER CARE AT A LOWER COST?
I fight against it because I fight against most things that can be viewed as entitlements, and generally support the private business over the gov’t , additionally I think there are some hidden costs, such as a reduced rate of new drug development, that will occur if we go to a gov’t health care system.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:42 amSo when was the last time you were a single mom?
Comment by coachjason
See? We are both heroes without having done a THING.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:42 am181: again you didn’t answer the question.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:44 amSee? We are both heroes without having done a THING.
Comment by Juan C
Heh. Nice work, Juan. :)
June 20th, 2007 at 11:46 amcoachjason,
“Doesn’t the “what if I’m wrong†feeling ever enter your mind?”
It had to enter my mind for me to answer the question. But other than that, no, I’m not worried about.
“If my beliefs are right and yours are wrong, aren’t you in for an eternity of hell?”
If your beliefs are correct, then I guess God will have to decide to do what he/she/it thinks is best. But if your conclusions are wrong, then have you not led a life based on fear of a lie?
“Have you ever watched someone die (and I don’t mean on t.v., I mean really watched someone take their last breath in this world?”
I was with my best friend when he passed away from falling into a diabetic coma that he did not wake from. I held his hand while it happened. I’m curious why this has anything to do with our beliefs however.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:47 amThe trolls seem to be out in force right now…something bad must be coming down the pipeline that they want to divert attention away from, or it has already come down the pipe and they are blowing smoke to cover.
Comment by Mark
Very intuitive Mark,
Why just this morning down at troll headquarters, we were given orders to launch a surge on the TP comment boards. Cleverly disguised as a collection of insignificant malcontents, full of their own virtue, TP is acutually the biggest threat to conservatism and Christianity on the planet. My old troll commander called me out of retirement and reactivated me to fight against your effots to destroy all that is good and holy—and the pay isn’t bad either.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:47 amSo, don’t listen to Jesus – what do I care? You’re the one who claims to be a follower. I still can’t understand why you don’t simply pay the tax (J: Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s…), and then send the rest of your money as a contribution to the greater good (…and unto God that which is God’s).
BTW: you’re a punk, a bitch, and an intellectual lightweight. Oh yeah – and as dishonest as the day is long.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:49 amI never claimed that the J-dude said the government was supposed to do it. What I’m asking is why a “Christian†would object to it. Especially a “Christian†or “Christians†who claim to be wealthy, and who are clearly demonstrating their love of Mammon over their love of their fellow man. i didn’t inject jesus into the conversation. When I use your own words regarding Jesus’ teachings to beat you senseless, please don’t complain – you brought the weapon, I took it from you and showed you how to use it.
Comment by smafdy — June 20, 2007 @ 11:42 am
I’m not against helping the sick and the poor, what I am against is arrogant elitists telling me what my faith says I should do. I will continue to do the best I can for my fellow man, whether you approve or not. If there’s a tax, I’ll pay it. But you can’t use God or the” J-dude” in your political arguements with me just because I have a religous belief. You and your ilk keep telling me that I have to separate the two, when you can’t seem to do it yourself.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:49 amLeaving God out of it, I’m against anyone receiving anything for free. Earn it one way or another.
Heh. Nice work, Juan. :)
Comment by Zooey
Sorry, Zoo. I know people are very fond of military. I am not. Your family was in the military, so I apologize if I said something that hurts you.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:52 amRE 184: First of all, I’m sorry about your friend, I can definitely relate. The reason I asked is that my experience with athiesm, watching someone die usually leads them to question their beliefs. If this is not the case with you, I apologize for asking. I’ve watched several (too many) people die, it’s painful when the notion enters my mind that that’s it for them.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:53 amI thanks you for letting me pick your brain… it’s been insightful.
…conservatism and Christianity…
Comment by 20wordsorless — June 20, 2007 @ 11:47 am
I’ve been wondering: What makes cons think they can speak for all Christians, and vice-versa.
I happen to know that many Christians are liberals.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:54 amRe 190: And there and many athiest conservatives also…
June 20th, 2007 at 11:55 amcoachjason,
No need for apology. I have no issues with discussing my beliefs. I appreciate it actually. Its rare on here when people who disagree can actually be civil and have a conversation with one another. Thanks!!!
June 20th, 2007 at 11:56 amDon’t miss the live chat with WaPo journalist Richard Cohen will defend yesterday’s column and explain to us why Scooter Libby should be spared the slam!
He’s live in just five minutes and you can even ask him questions!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/06/19/DI2007061901259.html
June 20th, 2007 at 11:56 amAgain, I didn’t inject god into the conversation. You leave god out of it, or I’ll use him (she? It?) to beat your weak ass down.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:58 am192: I know, I try often… but I’m usually met with hostility just because I don’t fall in line.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:00 pm194: My weak ass, you keep handing out beat down’s in front of your mom’s computer and me and my ilk will keep this country free for you to do so.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:02 pmCrump’s Brother: Case in point, see post 194!
June 20th, 2007 at 12:04 pmLooks like SMAFDY gave up on mommy’s puter for the day. It must be time to meet all his buddies on X-Box live to play splinter cell and hand out some more “beat down’s”.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:13 pmsupport the birth, kill them afterwards…that’s the reThuglican way
June 20th, 2007 at 12:15 pmsupport the birth, kill them afterwards…that’s the reThuglican way
Comment by YouCantHandleDaTruth — June 20, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
And you’ve done exactly what to help either situation?
June 20th, 2007 at 12:18 pmOf course 40 million is only 10% of our population, which means that 90% of our population does have healthcare.
Let’s see… if 10% of the country equals 40 million, then the population must be 400 million… OOOOPS!!! NOT TRUE! Hmmm, a little “math-challenged”, are we??
my Hellary is still pushing this idea of universal health care even though it hasn’t worked in any country.
Comment by President Clinton
Many countries have a united or national health care system, and all industrialized countries except for the U.S., have some sort of single-payer universal health care system. Most notably Canada and the UK have coverage under this type of united health care.
Wrong again… own stock in health care companies?
June 20th, 2007 at 12:21 pmcoachjason
And you’ve done exactly what to help either situation?
He’s added a well thought-out, highbrow comment to this razor sharp political discourse of course.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:21 pmI’ve been wondering: What makes cons think they can speak for all Christians, and vice-versa.
I happen to know that many Christians are liberals.
Comment by pete
Christianity is not subject to the whims of its adherents. When one truly understands the clear teachings of scripture and what Jesus taught, and follows these things, their values will become conservative in nature. Those who claim to be both Christian and liberal are oxymoronic. The term “Liberal Christian†is as contradictory as “wise fool†or “honest liar.†There are many in this world who claim to be Christians, yet they embrace ideals and values condemned by the Bible. I’d say the liberal Christians you know are Christian in name only.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:22 pmComment by 20wordsorless
And you’re a hypocritical, condescending HORSE’S ASS, pal.
Please pry the day-glo Jesus loose from the dashboard of your car and stick Him where the sun never shines.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:25 pmPlease pry the day-glo Jesus loose from the dashboard of your car and stick Him where the sun never shines.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 20, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
And if you ever have kids… I hope their dog dies.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:26 pmcoachjason
And you’ve done exactly what to help either situation?
He’s added a well thought-out, highbrow comment to this razor sharp political discourse of course.
Comment by squegeebooo
Yet the argument we conservatives hear from those who oppose the war in Iraq is, “If you support the war, why don’t you go and fight?” This sort of weak argumentation is completely acceptable to you when it suits your needs.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:31 pm20wordsorless: Actually if we truly understood the teachings of Jesus, we would understand first that he was (for all intents and purposes) a liberal. But I believe that Jesus would have encouraged us to stay out of politics and to leave his teachings out of politics as well.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:31 pm206: They can say that to me all they want, because I’ve been there. I did my part then and I’ll do it now. The only thing more important to me than ending abortion, is ending this war in Iraq. (Not what you expect a conservative to say is it?)
June 20th, 2007 at 12:34 pmcoachjason,
“But I believe that Jesus would have encouraged us to stay out of politics and to leave his teachings out of politics as well.”
I think this is a very smart statement.
James Madison and Thomas Jefferson believed this as well, although they came from opposing viewpoints to reach the same conclusion. Madison felt that the mix of religion with the state, would taint religion, Jefferson felt that mix tainted the state. Eother way, they were both right.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:36 pm20wordsorless
Yet the argument we conservatives hear from those who oppose the war in Iraq is, “If you support the war, why don’t you go and fight?†This sort of weak argumentation is completely acceptable to you when it suits your needs.
Hey champ, in this case your ‘we’ includes me.
The best defense to the ‘why don’t you go fight’ argument is to ask that person if they are an active member in every service they support. Are they teachers? Are they firefighters? Are they policemen? If not, how can they then support that organization and/or what that organization does.
Additionally, I love that you appear to have the need to comment on my slam on a liberal for the usage of terms like “reThuglican” and broad blanket statements such as “support the birth, kill them afterwards”
June 20th, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by President Clinton
Many countries have a united or national health care system, and all industrialized countries except for the U.S., have some sort of single-payer universal health care system. Most notably Canada and the UK have coverage under this type of united health care.
Wrong again… own stock in health care companies?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 20, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
yes, and these many countries have failed at it. Fact of live that we Liberals love denying.
and no, neither Hellary or I own stocks in the health care system, but we do own Oil company stocks and Walmart stocks. As well as stocks from defense companies that make a huge amount of money during wars.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:39 pm209: The problem I run into time and time again is that when I present an arguement, and I base it on fact, a liberal will always say it’s because I’m a Christian. I believed in ending abortion, long before I found Christ. I believed in doing my part to feed the hungry and aid the sick, long before Christ told me to do so. I an rattle off several other instances, but I’d like to leave my religon out of a political debate. But it never fails that some dunderhead will come along and make fun of my religon or my God as justification for the reason that I can’t be right.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:42 pmI hope you don’t fall into that trap. So far you’ve been intellectually honest and forthright and I can’t tell you how much it’s appreciated.
coachjason,
“But I believe that Jesus would have encouraged us to stay out of politics and to leave his teachings out of politics as well.â€
I think this is a very smart statement.
James Madison and Thomas Jefferson believed this as well, although they came from opposing viewpoints to reach the same conclusion. Madison felt that the mix of religion with the state, would taint religion, Jefferson felt that mix tainted the state. Eother way, they were both right.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 20, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
i am with Madison Crump’s brother. But can you explain this reality, can you seperate your religious believes to how you live, to how you lead, to how you work, how you do anything in life?
in your case it would be your moral believes, right? can you seperate what you believe in and how you live your life and your moral believes to how you work, how you lead, to how you do anything in life.
Religion and politics are interwined in almost every single society and government that exists. In some cases much stronger than others, that’s when you have a Theocrasy, but even in atheist nations like the USSR religion was there and mixed with government, how you claim? government forbid the practice of any religion in the open, right?
here in the USA Judeo-Christian values are intertwined in our Constitution, in our government, etc.
Let us not forget that Congress begins its sessions with a Christian prayer, let us also not forget that all of our bills are signed, “In the year of Our Lord xxxx…” that all Presidents since George Washington have finished their Oath to the Presidential office with, “So Help Me God!”
I believe what the Constituton says, “Congress shall make now law that forces anyone to practice any religion…” what I disagree with is the push by many Liberals, atheists or not, that religion should be not be anywhere in the public eye.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:45 pmPresident Clinton: Our religon is as tainted by politics as we are. Why? Because we’ve allowed it to be. When the Moral Majority decided to interject themselves into a politics, we became corrupted by the system they wanted to change.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:51 pmWe don’t need religon in schools, on our money, on our Congressional bills, for anything other than bragging rights. My, and my family’s, belief in Jesus Christ as our savior would not change if tomorow we could pray in school. Nor would it change if they took the “In God we trust” off our money. We need a separation of church and state, but moreso, we need a separation of politics and religion.
Sorry, Zoo. I know people are very fond of military. I am not. Your family was in the military, so I apologize if I said something that hurts you.
Comment by Juan C
Not at all, Juan. No offense taken. :)
June 20th, 2007 at 12:52 pmYou’re keeping our country free? Pray tell, exactly how are you doing that?
June 20th, 2007 at 12:54 pmouch. that stings. good one.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:55 pmAnd if you ever have kids… I hope their dog dies.
Comment by coachjason — June 20, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
nice. nothing like a pox on the children. mighty christian of you.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:59 pmAnd if you ever have kids… I hope their dog dies.
Comment by coachjason
Why coachjason, imagine finding you down here in the gutter…
Say hi to Mark Foley for me, next time you 2 are hangin’ w/ the chillun…
June 20th, 2007 at 1:00 pmRe 216: It’s called the United States Marine Core —OOH RAH!! You should try it some time, they’d make a man out of you.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:01 pmsmafdy
nice. nothing like a pox on the children. mighty christian of you.
I know what you mean, if he was really a Christian he would have hoped for the death of your first born, as opposed to just the death of the family dog.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:02 pmHis name is “coachjason”. Like I said earlier – stay away from the kids.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:02 pm20wordsorless: Actually if we truly understood the teachings of Jesus, we would understand first that he was (for all intents and purposes) a liberal. But I believe that Jesus would have encouraged us to stay out of politics and to leave his teachings out of politics as well.
Comment by coachjason
What are you saying? That Christians shouldn’t be Presidents, or Senators, or Cogressmen? Are you suggesting that any Christian who ventures into these areas is being disobedient to Christ? Are you also suggesting that any Christian who does find himself in the political arena, turn off their Christianity? Are you saying that the values that guide them in every other area of their lives should be kept out of their profession? Just what brand of Christianity do you embrace coachjason? You’ll not find what you’re expressing anywhere in the Bible.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:04 pmIf karmic justice is real, Bush will get Alzheimer’s while still in his 50’s.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:05 pmIs he 60 yet?
coachjason,
“But it never fails that some dunderhead will come along and make fun of my religon or my God as justification for the reason that I can’t be right.
I hope you don’t fall into that trap. So far you’ve been intellectually honest and forthright and I can’t tell you how much it’s appreciated.”
I understand that people’s religious, family, and environmental backgrounds make up, in large part, their value system. We can have debate on issues without bringing up religion at all. I know many atheists that are against abortion and I know many people who consider themselves Christians who believe that it is a personal matter between a woman and her doctor.
All I ask is that people have good reasons for their positions. I personally believe that bible doesn’t isn’t a solid resource for discussing matters of state. Imagine if someone stood up in the Senate and “Poseidon has taught us that those who live in New Orleans felt his wrath because he doesn’t like offshore oil drilling.” They would laughed out of Congress. But when people do the something similar while invoking ‘god’, people can’t debate that. It’s a wierd reverance we give religion in our society. As though it is above reproach. I can mock and ridicule someone for their political beliefs, but if I try to critique someone’s views on superstition, then I have stepped over some imaginary line. (Of course you have proven to be an exception to this, much to my relief.)
You seem to have good reasons for your beliefs. (Of course I think your belief in the Bible is misplaced, but we just disagree there. Neither of us called each other nasty names in defense of our positions.) We disagree on certain issues, but we both have good reasons for where we stand. The best reasoning will rise to the top of the pile of ideas and become policy.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:06 pmWhy coachjason, imagine finding you down here in the gutter…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 20, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
I’ve been in the gutter for a while, I’m here talking to liberals who can do nothing buy name call. I just couldn’t let you guys have all the fun spouting off at the mouth so I thought I’d give it a try. It was kind of refreshing really to see the splinter cell guy run and hide when he could no longer use my God against me.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:06 pmRE 225: Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness… To me, it all starts with life.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:11 pmPart of the problem with people like us is that when I hear the word athiest, I immediately think “someone who’s views oppose mine” as I’m sure the same is true when you hear the word Christian. If we can just put that one difference aside, the trhee things mentioned above will come to us a lot smoother than they do today…
What are you saying? That Christians shouldn’t be Presidents, or Senators, or Cogressmen? Are you suggesting that any Christian who ventures into these areas is being disobedient to Christ? Are you also suggesting that any Christian who does find himself in the political arena, turn off their Christianity? Are you saying that the values that guide them in every other area of their lives should be kept out of their profession? Just what brand of Christianity do you embrace coachjason? You’ll not find what you’re expressing anywhere in the Bible.
Comment by 20wordsorless — June 20, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
No what I’m saying is that we elect these people despite their religous beliefs, not because of them. Sometimes what is best for the people contradicts your religion. And no you do not turn off your faith when you get elected, you do what’s best for the majority of people despite what your god tells you to do. If you want to hold a political office, these are the demons you are going to have to deal with. and when you justify your position to your constituents, you should be able to do so without saying “God told me to do it”, even if he did.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:17 pmAnd of course you will not find this in a bible, Jesus asked us to do his work and be servants of God. This cannot be done in congress or the White House.
BTW: I’m Bretheren…
RE 225: Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness… To me, it all starts with life.
Part of the problem with people like us is that when I hear the word athiest, I immediately think “someone who’s views oppose mine†as I’m sure the same is true when you hear the word Christian. If we can just put that one difference aside, the trhee things mentioned above will come to us a lot smoother than they do today…
Comment by coachjason
You know coachjason, the more you say the less I believe that you really are a Christian. There’s no reconciling Christianity with atheism. You cannot put that difference aside. If you read your Bible you will see the stark contrasts. The world is going to hate you because it first hated Jesus. Jesus said that we are either for him or against him. James 4:4 says that whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Yes we can and should get along with others, but not at the expense of laying aside your Christianity for the sake of peace. If your are hated and pursecuted because you belong to Christ—then so be it.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:28 pm20wordsorless: Actually if we truly understood the teachings of Jesus, we would understand first that he was (for all intents and purposes) a liberal. But I believe that Jesus would have encouraged us to stay out of politics and to leave his teachings out of politics as well.
Comment by coachjason
Jesus Christ was NOT a Liberal. I mean do tell, would Jesus Christ be for abortions?
June 20th, 2007 at 1:32 pmbah!
the flying spaghetti monster would of had this settled in well
under 137 posts.
nuts.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:34 pm229 Comment by 20wordsorless
I’m sorry that you feel the need to tell me how to be a Christian. All I’ve done is state what is necessary to be a politician. Christians are not to judge non-christian also, yet it’s done everyday.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:40 pmI have His word and His church for me and my family. I also have my mission and responsibilities laid out before me by christ himself. If I want to accomplish any of the tasks in his name, I will not try to do so in a political arena like congress. I will do it on the streets, where the seeds I plant can be sewn by Him. I will do it at the himeless shelters where a warm blanket from me is the same as getting it from Jesus himself. I will do it at the soup Kitchens, where a warm meal does not just ease hunger, it feeds the soul. One cannot place a tax on people to force them to give money to the poor because God wants them to. One cannot use God as a reason to start a war with another country. I cannot use this (or any) government to force my religious convictions on free people in a free society. If I do, then I just tainted the word “free”.
…And no you do not turn off your faith when you get elected, you do what’s best for the majority of people despite what your god tells you to do…Jesus asked us to do his work and be servants of God. This cannot be done in congress or the White House.
Comment by coachjason
I’m sorry brother, but you do not disobey God for the sake of a majority of people. How could a Christian possibly justify this before his God? Again, read your Bible. You’ll not find any example of this anywhere. The same goes for where you draw the line regarding Christian service. Do you know what many of our founding fathers believed? Do you know what guided and shaped their values, and ultimately the framing of our Constitution? Can you honestly say that none of them were servants of God? The problem with you coachjason is that as a professed believer, you are using your own feelings as your final authority instead of the word of God. Our feelings need to take a back seat to the Bible.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:43 pmJesus Christ was NOT a Liberal. I mean do tell, would Jesus Christ be for abortions?
Comment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
Not a liberal by today’s standards, but if you look at what he did and the times in which he did them, they were extremely liberal with the current practices of the day. He changed everything that was thought to be “common knowledge” with his teachings. That is why he was crucified, the people wanted no part of what he had to say because it was in contrast to what they spent their lives learning.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:44 pmOne of today’s liberals asked me one time why Jesus never addressed abortion in the bible. They had abortions back then, though they were more barbaric then today. I still have not been able to answer him, and I would die today if it would bring an end to abortion.
I would die today if it would bring an end to abortion.
Comment by coachjason
Live on, coachjason.
Because even if you and your kind manage to make abortion illegal, abortion will continue.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI would die today if it would bring an end to abortion.
Comment by coachjason
Live on, coachjason.
Because even if you and your kind manage to make abortion illegal, abortion will continue.
Comment by Zooey — June 20, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Dream on Zooey, the day that abortion becomes illegal again, monsters like you, who don’t care about the life of a human baby, will be put in jail. YES! YES! YES!
retard, murder is illegal, and still there are murders today, should we not make murder illegal since murders are still going to happen?
stupid, slow, retard, female. I tell you, all you are good for is to be used, screwed, and thrown to the side walk. That is what I did with all my lovers, ask Monica, Jennifer, Lisa, Juanita, etc. The sad part is that the weaker sex, females, still write me lover letters despite the fact that I only want them for sex.
how great it is to be President Clinton!
June 20th, 2007 at 1:53 pmRe:233: Let me put this in perspective for you. You and I will agree that gay marriage goes against God’s will. But why do 2 grown people that are both capable of making their own decisions in life, not have the right to spend their lives together? Maybe you don’t see it as punishing them, but it places “straight” people into a category or status that gays could never achieve even though they’ve never done anything to hurt another human being. I’m not for “gay-rights” but I am for fairness. It will make little difference in my life if two men get married, nor will it effect your life. What I would be against is if these 2 men wanted to get married in my church, then I would have a legitimate protest. But if they want to go to a courthouse (a place where fairness and equality should reign supreme) to get married, I can see no reason why they shouldn’t be “married”. This is not a product of my religion but of the country in which I chose to practice that religion.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:54 pmRe 235: Zooey your statement is sad but true. Making abortion illegal will not end the practice. It’s just a sad sad statement that our society claims to be so advanced ethically, morally, technologically, and politically, yet we can find no way to end this barbaric practice in a way that is suitable for everyone (or at least the majority).
June 20th, 2007 at 1:58 pmDream on Zooey, the day that abortion becomes illegal again, monsters like you, who don’t care about the life of a human baby, will be put in jail. YES! YES! YES!
No way, Zooey, I had no idea you were a doctor. Although practicing abortion might not have been the best course to choose. Man you got thru college fast.
They grow up so fast. (wipe tear from eye)
June 20th, 2007 at 1:59 pmstupid, slow, retard, female. I tell you, all you are good for is to be used, screwed, and thrown to the side walk.
Comment by President Clinton
Someone has problems with mommy.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:01 pmRe:233: Let me put this in perspective for you. You and I will agree that gay marriage goes against God’s will. But why do 2 grown people that are both capable of making their own decisions in life, not have the right to spend their lives together? Maybe you don’t see it as punishing them, but it places “straight†people into a category or status that gays could never achieve even though they’ve never done anything to hurt another human being. I’m not for “gay-rights†but I am for fairness. It will make little difference in my life if two men get married, nor will it effect your life. What I would be against is if these 2 men wanted to get married in my church, then I would have a legitimate protest. But if they want to go to a courthouse (a place where fairness and equality should reign supreme) to get married, I can see no reason why they shouldn’t be “marriedâ€. This is not a product of my religion but of the country in which I chose to practice that religion.
Comment by coachjason — June 20, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Coachjason, do you not realize what you just said? You just claimed that in a human court of law fairness and equality should reign supreme, right? with your rant about two gays getting married. Thus, what youa re saying that in your church fairness and quality is not supreme? or that Christianity is not fair or equal?
think before you speak, you are doing more harm to your cause than good.
Fairness and equality is the teaching of Christianity. It doesn’t mean that gay marriage is equal or should even be condone. Gays having gay sex is a complete immorality, this is fair and justice. this is a fact of life that Liberals will find out once they die and face the Almighty.
Only in God’s court will you find complete fairness, justice, love, mercifulness, and the Wrath of God.
You see, the problem with many Liberals today, not all, but the majority of them is that they want to live as they wish, doing whatever they want, when ever they want and they want to be told that there are no consequences for their actions. Many hate religion because it tells them that their life or actions are bad. Liberals don’t like to feel guilty, they don’t like to feel that they are doing anything wrong, so what is the easiest way to do this? Deny that there is a God, deny that religion is necessary, deny anything that tells them that their believes, their life, their moral compass is wrong.
by the way, our human courts are full of injustice, unfairness and inequality.
once again, only God’s court is perfect.
you are mixed up my friend.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:01 pmstupid, slow, retard, female. I tell you, all you are good for is to be used, screwed, and thrown to the side walk.
Comment by President Clinton
Someone has problems with mommy.
Comment by Juan C — June 20, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
yes, i do, so what?! mommy screwed someone else besides my biological father, I mean shit he left us and that is why I became a sex addict, you know.
but it was good to be governor and then President and to abuse my power to screw women and then screw with their lives when they dare say that I was an evil womanizer.
it was great, my communist friend, much like your gods, Castro, Stalin, Chavez, Mao Tsung, etc.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:03 pmyou are mixed up my friend.
Comment by President Clinton
Says the troll who hates Clinton so much he takes his name.
Unintended comedic gold!
June 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pmFirst:
once again, only God’s court is perfect.
Comment by President Clinton
Then:
you are mixed up my friend.
Priceless!!! :D
June 20th, 2007 at 2:04 pmPresident Clinton
once again, only God’s court is perfect.
The real question though, is how’s his backhand?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:07 pmit was great, my communist friend, much like your gods, Castro, Stalin, Chavez, Mao Tsung, etc.
Comment by President Clinton
You left out Maradona, Riquelme, Batistuta, Totti, Beckenbauer, Figo, Messi, Ronaldo, etc.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:07 pmRe 235: Zooey your statement is sad but true. Making abortion illegal will not end the practice. It’s just a sad sad statement that our society claims to be so advanced ethically, morally, technologically, and politically, yet we can find no way to end this barbaric practice in a way that is suitable for everyone (or at least the majority).
Comment by coachjason — June 20, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
coachjason, stop with this majority crap, let us not forget that the majority in the world once believed that slavery was ok. Just because the majority believes that something is right, it doesn’t mean that it is.
Abortion is beyond barbaric, it is horrific, pathetic, sad, the killing of an innocent life for no good reason. Not that there is ever a good reason. But this is a baby, an innocent life, and the main reason taht women have abortions is not the reasons that the media or Liberal groups like NOW, NARAL, etc tell you. The majority of abortions are performed on white, middle and high middle class females. What does this tell you? that abortions are used as contraceptives and not because someone was poor, or someone was raped, or incest occured, etc.
Abortion is used because men and women want to have sex and for there not to be any consequences.
it goes along well with the Liberal ideology. Let us live like we want and let tehre be no consequences.
they don’t realize that of the millions of baby who have been aborted, how many of them could have found the cure for cancer, aids, been another Einstein, etc, etc, etc.
but Liberals live for the here and now and they don’t want to take responsability for their actions.
don’t take me wrong, as a man, as the greastes President that can screw any woman he wants, including Zooey, it is great for me. I screw a woman, break her heart, and if she gets pregnant, I pay for her abortion and she doesn’t ruin my reputation.
It is a great tool for womanizers and Don Juans, don’t you think. The silly women don’t realize how they are being used an dhow abortion has always been pushed by men like me who don’t want to pay the price for being a cheater or screwing as many women possible.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pm#116 there are horror stories in these nations of people having to wait months, if not years before a doctor could see them because the universal health care system said that what they had wasn’t an emergency.
Comment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 10:43 am
First, we have heard too from USA private health system horror stories too. Such as the many people that go unattended when they can’t pay the costs or its insurance doesn’t cover all the costs… All lies? I bet that I can find a motherload of cases if I seek in the internet. Frankly, if the choice is between having the odds of a doctor diagnosing wrongly my case or having no health care because I can’t afford it… well, I know what I would choose.
And second, your assumption of how works a modern universal healthcare system is wrong in so many levels… Let me explain some of the causes: we have the right of a second opinion, the right to choose our doctor, the freedom to have a private insurance if we want a “posh” treatment, like silk sheets or cable TV, or private room. The doctors are the same for the public healthcare and for the private healthcare. Last time I went through a surgery in our universal healthcare system, the doctor that attended me was listed under “surgeons” in my private insurance (VIP class) handbook, and in the best clinics in my city (that has very good healthcare level, world class).
I finally decided to undergo the surgery procedure through my private insurance because there exists a private clinics 100 yards away from my doorstep (the public one was 20 minutes away in car, anyhow).
You can adduce a series of motives against universal healthcare (and against private healthcare), but horror stories? Please. It’s infantile.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:09 pmThe real question though, is how’s his backhand?
Comment by squegeebooo
Devine.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:10 pmyou are mixed up my friend.
Comment by President Clinton
Says the troll who hates Clinton so much he takes his name.
Unintended comedic gold!
Comment by barfly — June 20, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Troll that takes his name? barfly, I must go Chinese Embassy in Serbia on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am the Democratic god, I am President Clinton, I play the saxophone, I have screwed more women, ugly though, but more women that you could ever dream of.
Stop being jelouse and keep on being my tool. Respect me, the Democratic god, or there will be consequences.
I am President William Jefferson Clinton, the Come Back Kid!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 20th, 2007 at 2:10 pmSatan
Devine
You win this round.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:13 pmYou can adduce a series of motives against universal healthcare (and against private healthcare), but horror stories? Please. It’s infantile.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — June 20, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Yes, i guess it is infantile when a woman with cancer is ready to jump off a building because universal health care in her country won’t take care of her, right?
it is infantile when a government decides what procedures you need and don’t need.
I mean it is great that you could chose your private doctor and your private hospital, but how about the poor people that can’t pay a private doctor, then what?
they are at the mercy of the universal health care of that country and that country, that government will decide if the procedure is necessary or not.
I am sure you don’t care since you are wealthy enough to go to private hospitals in Spain, right? screw the poor that have to go through government hospitals that are a piece of crap.
you are a good Liberal, my infintile fool, I mean tool.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:14 pmThe real question though, is how’s his backhand?
Comment by squegeebooo
Devine.
Comment by Satan — June 20, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
Am I, William Jefferson Clinton, going to Hell? Am I on the naughty list or on the good list? can you tell me Satan?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:16 pmI’d say the liberal Christians you know are Christian in name only.
Comment by 20wordsorless — June 20, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
You want to know something funny? They said you might say that.
I asked if that would make you a hypocrite.
They said it wasn’t their place to judge you. Something about how judging you was God’s job. They went on and on about being meek and making peace and so on.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:21 pm#252 Nope, the government doesn’t decide if the procedure is necessary or not. It’s the doctor, based in medical factors who decides.
Looks as if you fear that a government bureaucrat dictates your options. But you don’t fear that a private insurance bureaucrat dictates them? Last time I checked, the ones wanting to benefit from your health needs are private insurers.
And beware, you’re the one arguing against yourself.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:25 pmI believed in ending abortion, long before I found Christ.
Comment by coachjason
Where did you meet him, shopping at Kmart?
June 20th, 2007 at 2:26 pmCoachjason, do you not realize what you just said? You just claimed that in a human court of law fairness and equality should reign supreme, right? with your rant about two gays getting married. Thus, what youa re saying that in your church fairness and quality is not supreme? or that Christianity is not fair or equal?
think before you speak, you are doing more harm to your cause than good.
Comment by President Clinton — June 20, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
I am just a man and can do no harm to God’s word, and if you think otherwise, you are fooling only yourself. I once swore an oath to protect this country and I did so before God. Like my wedding vows, I will die fulfilling those oaths. This country, though founded by Christians, is not a Christian nation. We, as Christians, have the obligation to love all people. We, as Americans, have the duty to protect the freedoms of those who’s opinions differ from ours. Yes, as christians, we also have the duty to teach them about Christ. But without there being a country like America, we’d never have the privlidge of knowing the teachings of Christ. Therefore our obligation is to ensure that, just as we expect to openly practice our beliefs, we provide the security for other Americans to pracrice theirs.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:31 pmI believed in ending abortion, long before I found Christ.
Comment by coachjason
Where did you meet him, shopping at Kmart?
Comment by the republic of stupidity — June 20, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
What kind of moronic question is that. I thought you were one of the “elites”… it shows.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:34 pm#252 Oh, and I’m not wealthy enough to buy a private insurance. It’s a premium for my hard work (instead of a raise) given by my employer.
Believe me, I have used a lot the Universal Healthcare system, and I see no significative difference. Even my mother (that never had a private insurance), and who underwent a cataract surgery, was sent by our Social Security (Universal Healthcare System) at a top tier ophtalmoly clinic, the Clinica Barraquer, http://www.barraquer.com/english/index.htm, because our Social Security system has such deals with private clinics. Social Security manages the patient’s flow and good treatment, and private clinics have a constant quota of patients. Everyone wins.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:38 pmAm I, William Jefferson Clinton, going to Hell? Am I on the naughty list or on the good list? can you tell me Satan?
Comment by President Clinton
Shhh! Nixon and I just got out of the brimstone hot tub! If you make him mad, we’ll have to pop the pimples on his back for all eternity!
June 20th, 2007 at 2:38 pmIt will make little difference in my life if two men get married, nor will it effect your life. What I would be against is if these 2 men wanted to get married in my church, then I would have a legitimate protest. But if they want to go to a courthouse (a place where fairness and equality should reign supreme) to get married, I can see no reason why they shouldn’t be “marriedâ€. This is not a product of my religion but of the country in which I chose to practice that religion.
Comment by coachjason
Try expanding your view a bit coachjason. You said that you would have a legitimate protest if two guys tried to get married in your church—why? Why limit it to just your church? What if it’s happening in the church down the road? Is that ok with you? How about in your state, or the fact that it is happening in your country? Think about what will be lost in the process of making gay marriage constitutional. How will your church be able to legally say no to them? Imagine what will happen if it did. How would you like to cross through lines of angry protestors in order to attend a church service? You and your fellow church members would be harangued with scathing charges of homophobia and bigotry. You will be branded as unconstitutional hate-mongers, and your church may even face law suits. So where would you rather have this fight—at the local church level or at a national level? I know this is difficult for you to believe, but there are men and women who are in God’s service who oppose gay marriage, and are fighting at a national level so your local church doesn’t have to. Aside from that, there is an even greater reason to oppose the immoralities that liberals attempt to foist upon society—the wrath of God. The Bible is clear about what happens to a people when they turn from Him. Judgement will fall upon our nation coachjason, and if you are a citizen of this country that should concern you.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:39 pm#259 Ooops, wrong link. Try
http://www.barraquer.com
June 20th, 2007 at 2:41 pmAside from that, there is an even greater reason to oppose the immoralities that liberals attempt to foist upon society—the wrath of God. The Bible is clear about what happens to a people when they turn from Him. Judgement will fall upon our nation coachjason, and if you are a citizen of this country that should concern you.
Comment by 20wordsorless
Like starting an unjust war, that has killed hundreds of thousands, and calling it a crusade? God reserves his worst judgements for those who claim to be Christian, yet endorse un-Christ-like solutions to problems. Another pious hypocrite. The world is full of them.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThe Bible is clear about what happens to a people when they turn from Him.
Comment by 20wordsorless
Oops…wacko talk. Sorry.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:54 pm’d say the liberal Christians you know are Christian in name only.
Comment by 20wordsorless — June 20, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
You want to know something funny? They said you might say that.
I asked if that would make you a hypocrite.
They said it wasn’t their place to judge you. Something about how judging you was God’s job. They went on and on about being meek and making peace and so on.
Comment by pete
Do want to know something even funnier? I knew your friends would say that—it’s the classic liberal defense. Do you want to know something funnier still? Knowing that I would probably receive the standard “Don’t judge me” response, I made my comment anyway.
The fact remains pete. Christians who accept the Bible as their sole authority are conservative in nature. The more a Christian embraces the values of this world, the more his own feelings take preeminence over the Bible, and the more liberal he becomes.
Now for the really hillarious part—I fully expect this concept to be completely foreign to you, but I said it anyway.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:01 pmtry expanding your view a bit coachjason. You said that you would have a legitimate protest if two guys tried to get married in your church—why? BECAUSE THAT GOES AGAINST THE TEACHINGS OF MY LORD IN HIS HOUSE.Why limit it to just your church? BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY HAS LWAS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WALLS THAT I HAVE TO OBEY. What if it’s happening in the church down the road? IF THEY WANT MY HELP, ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS ASK. Is that ok with you? IF IT’S OKAY WITH THEM, ITS THEIR CHURCH.How about in your state, or the fact that it is happening in your country? WE LIVE IN A “FREE” COUNTRY. NOT HAVING OTHERS VIEWS IMPOSED ON ME AND NOT IMPOSING MY VIEWS ON OTHERS IS WHAT FREEDOM IS ALL ABOUT .Think about what will be lost in the process of making gay marriage constitutional. How will your church be able to legally say no to them? EASY, THEY ALREADY SAY NO TO TAXES. THE STATE CANNOT INTERFERE WITH THE CHURCH AS MUCH AS THE CHURCH CANNOT INTERFERE WITH THE STATE. Imagine what will happen if it did. IT WON’T SO DON’T WORRY How would you like to cross through lines of angry protestors in order to attend a church service? WOULD FIND IT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE GOOD NEWS. You and your fellow church members would be harangued with scathing charges of homophobia and bigotry. STICKS AND STONES… JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED FOR HIS BELIEFS, I CAN HANDLE SOME NAME CALLING. You will be branded as unconstitutional hate-mongers, and your church may even face law suits. BRING IT ON, GOD IS MORE POWERFUL THAN A LAWSUIT, AND HE HAS MORE MONEY THAN THEY CAN CHARGE US. So where would you rather have this fight—at the local church level or at a national level? WOULD RATHER DO IT IN MY CHURCH WHERE MY FELLOW BELIEVERS HAVE MY BACK AND I THEIRS.. I know this is difficult for you to believe, but there are men and women who are in God’s service who oppose gay marriage, and are fighting at a national level so your local church doesn’t have to. EASY TO BELIEVE. I THANKS THEM FOR FIGHTING A BATTLE THEY CANNOT WIN BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE WRONG PLAYING FIELD. Aside from that, there is an even greater reason to oppose the immoralities that liberals attempt to foist upon society—the wrath of God. GOD WILL FIND THOSE WHO OFFEND HIM, I BELIEVE THAT MY SERVICE TO HIM WILL BE REWARDED. GOD WILL NOT PUNISH SOMEONE JUST BECAUSETHEY ARE LIBERAL, JUST AS GOD WILL NOT PUNISH PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES. The Bible is clear about what happens to a people when they turn from Him. I PRAY TO HIM CONSTANTLY, BELIEVE IN HIM, AND LOVE HIM, IF THAT’S TURNING FROM HIM, THEN I’LL ACCEPT MY PUNISHMENT Judgement will fall upon our nation coachjason, and if you are a citizen of this country that should concern you. I AM A CITIZEN OF THIS NATION BECAUSE I HAVE THE FREEDOM TO WORSHIP WHEN, WHERE, AND HOW I CHOOSE. IF I DON’T FIGHT FOR THAT RIGHT, I WOULD NOT HAVE A RELIGION LEFT TO FIGHT FOR EITHER. HOPE THAT HELPS…
Comment by 20wordsorless — June 20, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
June 20th, 2007 at 3:05 pm20wordsorless
Do want to know something even funnier
Family Guy?
Benny Hill?
Monty Python?
Catholic Jokes?
June 20th, 2007 at 3:10 pmCatholic Jokes?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 20, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Isn’t that redundant?
June 20th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI AM A CITIZEN OF THIS NATION BECAUSE I HAVE THE FREEDOM TO WORSHIP WHEN, WHERE, AND HOW I CHOOSE. IF I DON’T FIGHT FOR THAT RIGHT, I WOULD NOT HAVE A RELIGION LEFT TO FIGHT FOR EITHER. HOPE THAT HELPS…
Comment by coachjason
You have that freedom because many have paid for it with their lives. God only know how many of them were Christians, but according to you they died on the wrong battlefield. Don’t you think God used his people to help build a nation? If they did what God intended, don’t you think they were doing His work? There has never been a country like the United States of America in human history. Our founding fathers and many others after them have felt that our nation was blessed by God. Their Christian influence has shaped our Constitution and many of our laws. You said that you’d fight for your freedom to worship, but that is only one facet of our freeedoms. Would you not fight for the rest of our freedoms? As Christians we are to uphold righteousness. Would you not agree? If then we are to uphold righteousness, should we sit in silence while unrighteousness abounds? According to you the answer would be yes—unless your freedom to worship at your local church is threatened. Don’t get me wrong—I’m not condemning your position on this. However, I am encouraging you to not condemn those who have a greater vision than you. There are many gifts and callings of God, and a Christian’s missionfield is his station in life—even if it is inpolitics
June 20th, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by 20wordsorless — June 20, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew I would say that.
But, I said it anyway, knowing that you wouldn’t understand any of it.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:03 pmRe269: You don’t have to remind me who paid for my freedoms and how. I come from a family with a strong military background. I never said they died on the wrong battlefield. I said that those fighting to change American laws to Christian laws are fighting on the wrong battlefield.
June 20th, 2007 at 4:09 pmOur nation has been blessed by God, but to make that a law would be to spit in the face of those who died for America’s freedom. How many jews or muslims or buddahists have died because they too love this country? They died so you have the right to worship the same as them, no better no worse. Christian influence has shaped our country, so has the jewish influence. Don’t forget the influence of the Roman Empire, African-Americans, American Indians, and just about any other religion or culture that you can think of.
I only said I’d fight for our freedom to worship because that was the only ideal of mine you were testing. I served in the military and have been to Iraq. What and where have you been?
I have the obligation to uphold righteousness huh… so if what God tells me is righteous and that differs from what he told you then who’s right? god told me to go to Iraq when my country called on me, still not sure why, but I prayed about it every night and he never once told me to stay home. Did he tell you to go to Iraq? If not then does that make you less righteous than me?
You cannot condem my beliefs (at least with any success) if I do not let you. Why is their vision of a Christian America greater than my vision of a free America?
And if you have a minimal understanding of Christ and his teachings, you would run from political power not embrace it.
Wrong, they are people, too. They maybe illegal immigrants, but we must treat them in a humane manner.
Comment by Daryll — June 20, 2007 @ 10:00 am
ok daryll – just as long as their name isn’t jesus,right?
June 20th, 2007 at 8:01 pmThe more a Christian embraces the values of this world, the more his own feelings take preeminence over the Bible, and the more liberal he becomes.
Comment by 20wordsorless
And the more a Christian embraces conservative fantasy, the more divorced from reality (and relevance) one becomes. It’s the hypocritical world-view, that makes pretense at telling others how to live – while visibly violating every precept they claim to espouse – that most graphically demonstrates conservatives’ feet of biblical clay.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:52 pm