“I’m not proposing an electrified goat fence.”
“I’m not proposing an electrified goat fence.”
Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-MS) offers some keen wisdom on curbing illegal immigration:
“If the answer is ‘build a fence’ I’ve got two goats on my place in Mississippi. There ain’t no fence big enough, high enough, strong enough, that you can keep those goats in that fence.”
“Now people are at least as smart as goats,” Lott continued. “Maybe not as agile. Build a fence. We should have a virtual fence. Now one of the ways I keep those goats in the fence is I electrified them. Once they got popped a couple of times they quit trying to jump it.”
“I’m not proposing an electrified goat fence,” Lott added quickly, “I’m just trying, there’s an analogy there.”
Asked for clarification as to what exactly the analogy was, Lott spokesman Lee Youngblood said…”A fence in and of itself is not enough… You can have technology to support the fence and to supplement the fence.”
It sounds like Lott should talk to Rep. Steve King (R-IA), who has “designed” an electric fence for the Southern border. “We do this with livestock all the time,” he said.
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Great idea!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:37 pmIs Tent that elitist or is he that much of a racist. Gotta be one or the other.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:40 pmAre you saying righties cannot have sex with goats? Cause that just ain’t going to work.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:40 pmElectrified fence for the Mexican border? How about a fence with barbed wire on top and regular patrols along it with US soldiers.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:41 pm#4 Hey, maybe we can set up some checkpoints too. Call one of them Charlie.
It sure worked well for the Soviet Union in Berlin, right?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:44 pmSo King is equating Mexicans with livestock? Nice guy. NOT!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:44 pmOr we could just ignore the problem and add a quarter of our current population over the next ten years. 1986 redux.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:45 pmupside > nope just regular border crossings. Most borders have fences, but I do not agree to have an electrified one. If all fences are wrong, then go yell at Israel for building their fences and walls on their borders.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:49 pmAsked for clarification as to what exactly the analogy was, Lott spokesman Lee Youngblood said that the senator supported a variety of measures in the immigration bill, including unmanned aerial surveillance vehicles, radar and more border patrol agents, as well as a fence to reduce the flow of illegal immigration.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:50 pmGoose, you don’t really get reality, do you?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:50 pmWho are these rethugs kidding? Bush opened up the door for illegals in 2000. Remember his speakin’ mexikan to Fox? He talked about making illegals citizens back then and what happened? Here we come amigo! Been pretty effective for things like putting the nails into unionisms coffin and driving down wages for unskilled labor. Amazing how their spin masters have twisted the issue. “Liburals†are for illegal immigration and conservatives against…please!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:52 pmWhats that jpark? I thought you had no interest in talking to a “right wing a$$ sucker” like me?
Your brethren may revoke the license if you get too chummy with me, so tread lightly for your own sake.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:55 pmAre you saying righties cannot have sex with goats? Cause that just ain’t going to work.
Comment by JPark
indeed… some people out there are a bit strange.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:57 pmHere Comes The Judge
are you kidding me trent lott
that hoodlum is included as one of crew’s 20 most corrupt in
June 21st, 2007 at 11:58 pmcongress
Been pretty effective for things like putting the nails into unionisms coffin
Guess it depends on which union you belong to, considering the Service Workers union supports the wide-open plan.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:58 pmOoooh, I like analogies too.
What is the best way to keep Rabbits from eating the carrots in your garden?
Not have a garden with carrots.
So, if we prosecuted business owners and individuals who hired undocumented workers, they would stop doing it and there would be no reason for them to come here.
There are laws already on the books that would just have to be enforced under the IRS
Was that close enough to something H Ross would have said?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:58 pmGoose, talk to the normal righties among you. I am always looking for people like Tundra and Primus to talk to. You? No, I will stomp your ass. I am not one to tread lightly. Thanks for the advice though.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:58 pmBy the way Goose, no lefty has ever jumped on me for talking to an actual conservative.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:00 amare you kidding me trent lott
that hoodlum is included as one of crew’s 20 most corrupt in
congress
Comment by jimbo DUDE — June 21, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Jimbo DUDE, lower case tonight, cool!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:05 am#14 The building trades aern’t too wild about the idea. Know many union carpenters? Not anymore!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:07 amDon’t wizz on the electric fence Trent.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 amStomp my ass…oh man, this is like being back in high school, are you for real? LOL! Wait, youre going to egg my house and steal my girl too, right? You still havent explained what I said that sent you into such a tiz.
With such a tidy site-name and tasteful presentation I thought I could expect more insightful comments than that on this blog.
Barnum has nothing on this place.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:10 am#14 The building trades aern’t too wild about the idea. Know many union carpenters? Not anymore!
Youre right about that, even our electrical and plumbing outfits are getting hammered around here. I expected the roofers and framers, but the electricians?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:12 amGoose, you don’t really get it do you? You say stupid things. You have no points. Stomping your ass or not…it doesn’t matter. Or don’t you get it?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:12 amLott has a good memory that’s what Americans thought of slaves as less valuable as animals. Now I saw pictures of how slaves and before the civil rights bill was passed blacks living in the fenced areas. Lott is doing his best to bring back the pass. It will be interesting to see just have far America has come to treating people equal. Now I wonder with all the lip service about our troops giving their lives for the United States of America how would they feel about what Lott and other GOP officials really think of them. Before we tell others countries to follow American Democracy maybe we should clean our own house first.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:15 amI would think old Lottie would have learned to engage his brain before speaking after the Strom Thurmond faux pas.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 am21. Goose: “I thought I could expect more insightful comments than that on this blog”
You’ld think you could expect more insightful comments from Republican Senators, but we’re talking about Trent “we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years” Lott.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 amGoose,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 amBetter the Mexican than the Muslims.
In fact we should deport the Muslims in America and legalize the Mexicans!
Oh, screw both the Mexicans and the Muslims!!! You know what? I would love for both of you to meet both a beefy Mexican and a beefy Muslim. Or if they are not available I am.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:26 amlet’s fight the goats there so we don’t have to fight them here!!! – they hate us for our freedom so let’s fence ‘em all in!!!….lott is a genius!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:29 amThe Joker,
It is I, St. Augustin, the Church Father.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:31 amConfess your Sins, my son.
Give up your Manichaean beliefs.
Embrace the Lord,
Let Him kindle the fire in your soul,
and carry you away to Heaven.
LOL, Augie, it won’t work but that was clever. :)
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 amBack in Nam, we used razor wire and claymores, with fougass cannisters hooked up to trip wires around our base perimeters.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 amThat kept the VC pretty much at bay.
Is that where we’re headed with this crazy shit?
JPark ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:37 amI’ve beaten up many a Muslim in my lifetime.
I’ve told them to their face I hate them.
I once burned a Koran outside the Saudi Consulate in NY.
Left Bacon on Mosque during their Friday Parayers with them there.
Walk my Dog and had him piss on Mosque with them loooking.
I back my thoughts up!
I would think old Lottie would have learned to engage his brain before speaking after the Strom Thurmond faux pas.
Comment by Zooey
was thinking the same thing…he just doesn’t get it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 amThe Joker, you have never met a Muslim so how could you “beat” them. Let me introduce you to Mike Tyson.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:39 amThe Joker,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:42 amIt is I, St. Augustin… again.
I repeat, if you do not confess and repent you shall not reach the City of God!!!
But you shall suffer the Fires of Hell for Eternity!!!
I would think old Lottie would have learned to engage his brain before speaking after the Strom Thurmond faux pas.
Comment by Zooey
was thinking the same thing…he just doesn’t get it.
Comment by had enough
Y’all are giving Lott way more credit than he’s due. Essentially, he’s another dumbfk Republic politician who figgers he can get away with anything. “Look over there!”
He cain’t engage what he don’t have.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 amJoker is living proof that the reichwing is the party of hate, bigotry and piss-soaked trolls.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 amJPark ,
I’ve beaten up many a Muslim in my lifetime.
I’ve told them to their face I hate them.
I once burned a Koran outside the Saudi Consulate in NY.
Left Bacon on Mosque during their Friday Parayers with them there.
Walk my Dog and had him piss on Mosque with them loooking.
I back my thoughts up!
Comment by The Joker — June 22, 2007 @ 12:37 am
All while busy at the job of yours where you can do as you please, correct? I think I enjoy bacon with my “parayers” but “loooking” at animals urinate doesn’t really do much for me. Other than Muslims what other groups do you dislike and what crazy shit have you done to back up those thoughts? Assuming you are more than an adolescent you must have had to have some other group/s to keep busy with prior to “War on Terror”.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:49 amJPark ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:51 amAre you kidding!
I’ve met plenty of them!
When topics come up and they start they’re victims crap, I remind them about the genocide they commited against my ancestors, that Mohamad was a pedophile and that they hate Dogs!
It leads to heated words and the I beat the shit out of them!
As for Mike Tyson, he’s not Muslim anymore.
He’s agnostic and just belives in a God in general.
He’s not of any particular religion.
I once banged a Persian woman just for the hell of it.
It felt good screwing someone you hate.
I then kicked her out and told here to lose my number!
That was a classic!
dbadass,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:53 amI did those actrs ion my spare time.
I only hate Muslims, no one else.
Let me alos remind you I’m Latin!
So I’m an opressed minority.
Joker, I am sure there are plenty of Muslims that would kick your pathetic ass. If they are not willing I, as an atheist, am willing to. Now, if no Christians are willing to kick Muslim ass I am willing to.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 amCpt. Crepitus,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 amI’m not a Republican.
I hate the Bushbots as musch as I hate you Dhimmicrats!
The Joker, you are not tough. You are kind of a wuss. Let’s go!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 amThe Joker, you are not a Republican? Do you think ANYBODY is a retarded as you?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:55 amJPark,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:58 amUnlike you lilly white Suburban Miomma’s boy spoonfed chump ass, I grew up in the hood.
I don’t fight fair, I fight to win.
Keep that in mind!
That’s what you’re dealing with.
You being an Atheist would be quiet easy.
You belive in nothing and the the thought of death would frighten you.
I believ in something so death doesn’t scare me.
Let’s go back to blogging.
JPark,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:59 amI’m not a brainwashed idiot like you.
I see that you’re a Muslim ass kisser.
How’s the Chocolate Cake?
The Joker, I am not suburban. I am actually small town Wisconsin. easy? Not so much. Being a non-believer is not a great thing in your Christian little world.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:00 amJoker:
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:01 amI feel for you and the oppression you have faced. I sort of figured you might have suffered the poor access to quality education that many minority students in this country often do. A dictionary might help with this. BTW: you never did get back to me on what exactly that job is. It sounded pretty cool and I sure am up for a career change.
The Joker, what the f^ck are you talking about? Muslim ass kisser? Honestly, I don’t know any Muslims. I am a Wisconsinite, we don’t know Muslims. We do hate you f^cking extremist Christians though.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:01 amJPark,
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:08 amI don’t care what your persoanl beliefs are.
Heck you can worship a tree for all I care!
I’m secure in my faith that I don’t preach it.
Heck I barely practice it.
The only people I hate are Muslims.
Thay have too much power in america.
They recieve speacial priveldges myu people don’t.
Heck how come no one is bitching about Bush giving 50,000 students visas to Saudis and Pakistanis?
why are Hispanics always portrayed in a negative light in the media, but Muslims are treated like Gods?
Why are the Minutremen who are a rcaist organization given respect in the media.
The fact I resent that Muslims are given respect and my people not.
Do you think that if Elian Gonzales was Muslim, Clinton would order the FBI would seize him.
Iran commits human rights violations yet the Democrats praise Iran and want to talk with them.
Colombia an American has a President alvaro Uribe who’s restored order there and the Democrats didn’t want to meet him and want to cut off aid to Colombia?
Why?
Why are Muslims treated better than Hispanics?
Why?
“We do this with livestock all the time”
And until the cows start using wire cutters and rubber gloves, you’re fine.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:10 amddbadass
” sort of figured you might have suffered the poor access to quality education that many minority students in this country often do”
Ha ha!
Yes, we had Leftist running our schools who taught us lies and that we Hispanics need white Liberals to help us.
By the way.
My HS was 1/2 white and I graduated in the top 10% of my class.
I detest the Democrats who view us as helpless and that we’re too stupid to make it on our own without their help.
I hate Republicans who just hate us.
I’m a Inforamtion Security Analyst.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:13 amI monitor the Network for intrusions, Emails for viruses and that users aren’t violating Company policies.
I have a Security+ and CISSP Certifications.
The Joker, you just said…
“I don’t care what your persoanl beliefs are.”
You sure? Ok. Go to hell is one belief…if only it were a persoanl belief you dumb little sh!t.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 amJPark,
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:18 amNow I know why you’re Pro-Muslim.
You hate Christians.
Well let me let you in on something.
Do you think if this was an Islamic state that Atheists would be tolerated?
As a Christian who’s not all that religious and commits alot of sins.
I’m glad there are people that don’t believe God.
Heck it makes it easier for me to get into heaven.
Except for the Bible nuts most Christians could care less what others believe.
If I’m a bigot, so are you!
Takes one to know one right?
Been pretty effective for things like putting the nails into unionisms coffin and driving down wages for unskilled labor. Amazing how their spin masters have twisted the issue.
Comment by Mycelium — June 21, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Actually, that would never have become the problem it is today if so many employers weren’t so eager to illegally hire the illegal immigrants. You should put a great deal of the blame on their shoulders. If the jobs weren’t being offered to them because they are non-union and undocumented, perhaps they wouldn’t be so eager to come to this great nation.
Have you ever considered that? There happens to be an illegal employer problem in this country, as well, but I don’t hear many conservatives denouncing these businessmen.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:19 amJoker:
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 amOnly ten minutes passed between #50 and #53. Either you liked the dictionary idea or somethings amiss. Care to explain?
Wayne,
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:21 amI agree with you.
It’s not the Central American’s fault that they’re here to work.
It’s the greedy Comapnies that want to pay below market wages to increase their profits.
That way they can afford thewir Private Yachts and planes in the Cayman Islands with their 20 year old Mistresses!
Wayne,
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:24 amIt’s strange that me and you agree on many things.
Me coming from the Right and you from the Left.
That shows that if Americans get beyond the Rep/Dem divide we can tackle the real issues facing this nation!
Pretty sure Wayne doesn’t agree with you, Joker. You are an assmonkey.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:26 amComment by The Joker — June 22, 2007 @ 1:08 am
Almost looks like more Visa’s were given to people from Mexico than anywhere else.
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableIII.pdf
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:26 ambut I don’t hear many conservatives denouncing these businessmen.
Except this one, post 16
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:27 amWayne,
It’s strange that me and you agree on many things.
Me coming from the Right and you from the Left.
That shows that if Americans get beyond the Rep/Dem divide we can tackle the real issues facing this nation!
Comment by The Joker — June 22, 2007 @ 1:24 am
Pretty sure Wayne doesn’t agree with you, Joker. You are an assmonkey.
Comment by JPark — June 22, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Actually, JPark, I think it’s just our libertarian sides converging. I mean, I am fully confident that you are not a “Muslim agenta”, so he and I disgree there.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:29 amTundra, why? I am an accountant. I know that an overabundence of money is not so great for the rest of the country. Why are against for the rest of the country?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:30 amAlmost looks like more Visa’s were given to people from Mexico than anywhere else.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Yeah, but that’s only because they didn’t qualify for American Express.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 amUgh, Wayne, libertarians are shite. They agree with liberals with certain things but it is because they want everybody to leave them alone, not because they actually believe in the Constitution.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 amBy the way, Wayne, Joker is not libertarian. He is just a pain in the ass.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 amYeah, but that’s only because they didn’t qualify for American Express.
I had to doublecheck my link, That is a mistake I would have made.
Why are against for the rest of the country?
Do you mean prosecuting business owners for avoiding paying their share of taxes?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:37 amYes, Tundra, the English wasn’t so good. Why are big business (corporations) unwilling to pay their fair share?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:40 amActually, JPark, I’m a liberal liberatarian who DOES believe in the Constitution. I just want it to be interpreted from a liberal point of view. But I’m wise enough to know that we all can’t get what we want from our government. I, for one, would like our government to help people who genuinely need it, not multi-billion-dollar corporations like Exxon, which has no excuse taking money from the government when they have enough to invest in whatever they want. I want what’s fair for everyone (people). And, yes, I do want them to leave me alone when I don’t ask for help, but when I do need help, I fully expect that any help my tax dollars should have bought for me should be provided (since I paid for it already). I’m strange like that.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:41 amYes, Tundra, the English wasn’t so good. Why are big business (corporations) unwilling to pay their fair share?
As far as I am concerned (Here is where the corporate libertarian part of me comes out): Any business should have to hire legal workers and pay all taxes associated with them.
Yes this includes farms, If I have to spend more money on all my food because it was done legally, well so be it. That was an argument against stopping slavery, “The cost of cotton will get to high”.
All of our food bills would increase but we would be safer overall and we wouldn’t be using the backs of illegal immigrants (Which will come back to bite us) to save a few bucks.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 amWayne, if you are agreeing with Joker you need some help. I don’t think you do though. Yeah, he is against the corporatists in this case but that is a fluke. If you really think a guy like Joker believes in the Constitution you might want to rethink your position.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:46 amHey JPark,
I am a Libertarian and I fully believe in the constitution. Unlike Wayne though, I want it to be more conservative on the Federal end and the States can do what they want on their end.
Of course, I also like the idea of them leaving me alone.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:49 amIf it were Primus or Tundra I would buy it but this Joker…are you kidding?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:50 amTundra, I get your point and I respect it. I am not impressed with Wayne and his agreement with Joker. It is disappointing.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:52 amJPark,
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:55 amWell, you know that I am telling the truth about believing in the constitution. That’s why I took an oath to support and defend it when I joined the Air Force back in ‘83. And as far as I’m concerned, I’ve never rescinded that oath, so I will defend with my life his right to say the things he says. I just don’t have to agree with him all the time. Or rather, he is not likely to agree with me.
I am not impressed with Wayne and his agreement with Joker.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 am(And I don’t mean Wayne)
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day
(And I don’t mean Wayne)
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 1:57 am
Damned straight! I’ve been known to be right three or four times in one day! (Once I almost hit five, but I was mistaken.)
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:00 amWayne, if you believe in the same libertarian god of Tundra that is fine. I am not really sure why though.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:00 am“Damned straight! I’ve been known to be right three or four times in one day! (Once I almost hit five, but I was mistaken.)”
Are you kidding Wayne? Tundra is a good guy but he is not exactly right. Are you sure you are really that right wing?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:01 amWayne, are you going to keep hitting the Republican (libertarian) bong?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:11 amJPark,
I do not consider myself right-wing, and it IS possible to be libertarian AND liberal. Have you ever gone to http://www.politicalcompass.org? My ratings there typically come out at around 7 on both the liberal and libertarian side. I’m more so than either Nelson Mandela or Ghandi.
Perhaps I was mistaken when I presumed that my common views with Joker were due to our libertarianism. I certainly knew it wasn’t our liberalism we had in common!
But, no, I don’t believe in “the same libertarian god of Tundra.” Tundra and I have an understanding about that. Besides, I’m atheist.
Check out that website if you haven’t already. Takes less than ten minutes. I learned something about myself when I did.
Peace on Earth, my friend.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 amJPark, I saw the way the link I posted came out and it mightnot work right. Take out the question mark. I should have left a space in ther. My bad.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:15 amWayne, how are you liberal AND libertarian? Do you care about the poor? Are you a supporter of the ABCs?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 amBy the way, Wayne, I would much rather have you be close to Tundra than that jackass Joker. Are you joking???
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:19 amSo, Wayne, are you a fan of those that are without homes?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:22 amWayne, how are you liberal AND libertarian? Do you care about the poor? Are you a supporter of the ABCs?
Comment by JPark — June 22, 2007 @ 2:17 am
Yes, very much so! Unlike conservative libertarians, I want the government to help the poor when they need it, and I certainly want some education standards established on a national level. But I know that we have to pay taxes to do these things, and I am willing to do that. Again, unlike my counterparts, I do not view taxation in and of itself as some kind of invasion of my privacy. I understand the need for it, because we all have to get through this together. But I do believe in the privacy of my own home, and I don’t want the government violating my fourth amendment rights.
Like I said, I’m kind of strange, but I don’t think I’m a lunatic.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:26 amWayne, that is why I am surprised. You seem to be going with the Joker. Tundra is more of a middle guy but you are going with that fuck Joker????
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:33 amJPark,
As I tried to say before (however inelegantly), it is probably more a case of him (Joker) agreeing with me than the other way around. And as Tundra correctly pointed out, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. However briefly.
Before I had to give up posting for about six months, I did manage to put some of my views up on my blog (along with the silly songs). How about you peruse those for a better flavor of who I am. Then you can compare them to the views on Joker’s blog.
That’s right, he posting anonymously and doesn’t have one.
Please have a good night and I’ll return tomorrow evening. Peace, my friend.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:39 amOk, I am not a happy with Joker. I am happy without him.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:39 amWayne, it doesn’t matter. Joker was an idiot. Tundra is wrong. But you don’t buy that. I don’t blame you. However I would choose Tundra over Joker.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:41 amMr Lott really needs to learn how to form an analogy BEFORE attempting to verbalize it. (Just because he says there’s an analogy doesn’t make it so.)
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:08 amAt any rate, regarding an electrified fence along the US-Mexican border, has anyone actually explained to these loons just how much longer the border is compared to the farms they mention? An acre (the usual measure for farmland) is 43560 square feet in size. A perfectly square piece of land measuring one acre would have a side length of 208.71 feet with a perimeter of just under 835 feet in length (208.71 x 4). Now, 1 mile consists of 5280 feet which means that the perimeter of one acre is less than 1/6 of a mile. Let’s presume someone has a farm of 1000 acres; that’s a total of 43,560,000 square feet. If that 1000 acres is perfectly square in shape, each side will be 6600 feet in length for a perimeter of 26,400 feet (6600 x 4) which just happens to come to exactly 5 miles. Now, 5 miles doesn’t seem like much, but that is only 7/10 of 1% of the 674-mile LAND border between the US and Mexico (there’s roughly 1278 miles of river border–the Rio Grande and Colorado River–that can’t be electrified). Which city or state is going to be responsible for providing the electricity to this vast fence? There are three states along this lengthy border (the Texas-Mexico border is almost exclusively formed by the Rio Grande; there’s at least one small land border that I’m familiar with–at El Paso, due to a border demarcation following a shift in the Rio Grande’s flow) but I can’t imagine those three states accepting responsibility for guaranteeing electric power to a fence which will be largely set out in the middle of the desert. What happens to the fence if/when California has another one of those massive brownouts? Does anyone honestly think that Californians are going to accept their being left in the dark so that the fence can be powered? Somehow, I doubt it.
When a farmer puts up an electric fence on HIS property, HE accepts the fact that HE will pay the power bill (and, if he fails to pay the power bill, the power company won’t keep that fence electrified out of the goodness of the company’s “heart”). He doesn’t rely on his neighbors to pay for HIS fence. But, I’ll also guarantee that most farmers don’t put up electric fences.
It’s really funny to watch you liberals getting into a fight over political purity. “Oh, you can’t be liberal/progressive/good person because…”
Talk about tolerance. Maybe one day you’d like to take a look into that behavior – that is, if you want to win any elections in near future.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:37 amListen to this guy. We’re going to need some kind of fence to hold the Republicans once we take over.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:02 ama elect-ified GOPe fence
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:19 amRead Lott’s statement carefully. I guess if we could get someone to electrify Mexicans as Lott electrified his goats, all of our problems would be solved!
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:27 am‘Deep Thoughts’ by Trent Lott
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:28 am# 54
No doubt Wayne. Very few employers have faced legal troubles for illegally hiring illegals- barely a slap on the wrist when caught. Business interests have gotten everything they wanted- from ridiculus tax breaks to near slave labor. The illegal floodgate was opened to level the playing field in a globalized economy IMO. The middle class standard of living had to be lowered to compete with the serfs in the rest of the world. Illegals might be considered a weapon in the war on the middle class.
I’m about as “progressive†as can be until it comes to this issue. I’m a strong union man (skilled tradesman) whom is bothered more than most by the weakening of the unions that made the middle class. Like unions or not, they are (or used to be) the check & balance of corporate greed run amok.
The problem is that no political party really cares about unions anymore. The rethugs have nearly won their undeclared war on them and the democrats could care less. They honestly seem to care more about Fred & Joes ability to get married than their ability to make a decent wage.
In a sense I can’t blame the democrats too much though. They can’t count on a solid union vote anymore. BushCo et al has been genius in propaganda and emotional issue twisting. They actually convinced many I know that the democrats were going to take their guns away, turn their sons and daughters into “queersâ€, abort any fetus they could find, and do all this while hating Jesus and those who serve in the military because they are immoral! Sad but true.
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:36 amThe very mentality that men like Hitler possessed… That some humans are lesser humans.
Of course, I have a problem with how we treat animals as lesser life forms, because not only who are we to judge, but once you divide yourself into catagories of ‘better than’ and ‘lesser than’, you won’t ever stop doing it. Value ALL life and these sorts of outrageous comments will cease to be supported.
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:46 amTrent Lott and his ilk are still living in the late 1800’s.
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:52 amLott’s moral character is as alive as his hairpiece.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:12 amAn electric fence would be a very good solution. Just knowing it was there would keep the illegals away. The only question is if the communist congress is interested in protecting Americans from illegals. My guess is no, just like the last congress.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 amBox of rocks, Trent…. can’t tell the difference.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 amI know it helps to make the republicans look bad by them using the words livestock when talking about keeping human beings out but the idea (which they seem incapable of intelligently expressing) is better than the idea of a fence alone. Electricity would help keep people from climbing over it… however don’t people have ways of cutting or breaking through electric fences? What about tunneling under. There are many tunnels under then border right now… I wish the politicians would quit trying to think like engineers and let the engineers figure out an all encompassing way to totally protect the borders or certify that it is not possible given the cost involved in implementing a full proof solution.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 amRoger_Roger,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 amHow about we electrify jerks like you.
Why are you against Mexicans but support Muslims?
It wasn’t 19 Mexicans than rammed planes into the Twin Towers!
Grealg Jihad Gibson.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 amI know you’re a Hizb’Allah member loser!
Wayne Schneider, took your test – I didn’t see ‘crypto-Trot’ on the chart but came out left of Ghandi and Mandela and north of the Dalai Lama.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 amThe offense here is not that Lott may have proposed an electrified fence. Rather it’s that he compared illegal aliens to goats and suggested that Americans are more intelligent and should be able to find a way to keep them out.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 am#101 I am not against Mexicans. I am against any people breaking into my country illegally. An electirc frence would not harm Mexicans. It is a deturrent as no human would try to cross it thus no human would be hurt. What is your solution is keeping all illegals out of our country?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 amJose and Carlos are panhandling at the freeway offramp.
Jose drives a Mercedes, lives in a mortgage free house and has a lot of money to spend. Carlos only brings in 2 to 3 dollars a day.
Carlos asks Jose how he can bring home a suitcase full of $10 bills every day.
Jose says, “Look at your sign.” It reads: “I have no work, a wife & 6 kids to support”
Carlos looks at Jose’s sign. It reads: “I only need another $10.00 to move back to Mexico”
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:13 pmFolks,
The solution is multi-faceted.
First, build the fence. Electrified or not, build it. Along the Canadian border too. Also inspect 100% of containers, where some illegals come in from overseas ports. This will help with other aspects of homeland security too.
Second, bring home the Army from Iraq and place them on our borders. This is the proper job for a country’s army, not going off into foreign entaglements (per George Washington) to secure the world’s oil supply for ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, ChevronTexaco, and Shell.
Third, publicly arrest the CEOs of companies that employ illegal immigrants, make them do the TV perp walk, try and convict them and send them to jail for 10 years, and fine their corporations a million dollars for each case of employing an illegal immigrant. That’s $500 million for the meat-packing house that employs 500 illegals.
Fourth, offer an Amnesty program–for illegals who agree to return home. A thousand dollars in cash, payable as they exit the country. Fingerprint them on the way out so that they can be identified in the future as illegals if they choose not to come back through legal immigration means.
Fifth, raise minimum wage to $15.00 per hour, and require that all coprorations that use seasonal or unskilled labor provide health care insurance for their employees. Then Americans will want to do the jobs that allegedly only illegal immigrants will now do.
There is no will to do these things in either party, because no one wants to take the political fall for rising consumer prices that will occur if we place the cost of doing business on the corporations instead of having it rest on our local governments (emergency rooms, subsidized housing, etc.).
So either accept things as they are or vote to change them. Half-measures that offer winks and nods to corporate interests do not work.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 am