Officials near decision to close Guantanamo.
Officials near decision to close Guantanamo.
“The Bush administration is nearing a decision to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and move the terror suspects there to military prisons elsewhere, The Associated Press has learned.”
President Bush’s national security and legal advisers are expected to discuss the move at the White House on Friday and, for the first time, it appears a consensus is developing, senior administration officials said Thursday.
The advisers will consider a new proposal to shut the center and transfer detainees to one or more Defense Department facilities, including the maximum security military prison at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas, where they could face trial, said the officials. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing internal deliberations. […]
It was not immediately clear if the meeting would result in a final recommendation to Bush.
UPDATE: The White House denies the report:
The White House on Thursday denied a report that top administration officials were expected to meet Friday to discuss closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility and move the terror suspects there to military prisons elsewhere.
“No decisions on the future of Guantanamo Bay are imminent, and there will not be a White House meeting tomorrow,” White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said in response to a report by the Associated Press.
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They’re not stopping the atrocities.
They’ll just do it in a different place.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:21 pmMay I remind you the ‘decision maker’ for these historical critical constitutional decisions is a dry drunk AWOL male cheerleader and C student.
God help us all.
BTW, any other President lose two wars simultaneously?
June 21st, 2007 at 6:23 pmWhat about the $1 billion dollar court building that Haliburton is building down at Gitmo? Will that continue?
June 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pmBut, but. . . the chicken dinners. What about the great chicken dinners?
June 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pmOh, they’re just clearing out the gulag for the influx of us liberals that they’re planning to ship there instead.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:29 pmslightly O/T but breaking!
new video of sen. kennedy
shellacking the head of the DoJ
civil rights division at today’s hearing!
only 2:30, to boot!
a must-see, missed by the MSM!
June 21st, 2007 at 6:29 pmAs long as these members of a terrorist organization also known as “islam” aren’t released, I’m ok with that.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pmBTW, any other President lose two wars simultaneously?
Comment by Your Conscience — June 21, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Did any other President take on two wars simultaneously? Doesn’t that count as another mark against him?
June 21st, 2007 at 6:31 pmAs long as these members of a terrorist organization also known as “islam†aren’t released, I’m ok with that.
Comment by MAF54 — June 21, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Nah, they’re just putting them in with the other terrorist organization also known as “christianity” (the population of prisoners is overwhelmingly Christian, by the way).
June 21st, 2007 at 6:33 pm#6: Well, ok. And what do you think that show-boating will accomplish? Nothing.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe closing of Guantanamo is much overdue and only the beginning of necessary change. Regardless of the reasons why the United States chose to invade Iraq or even why a US presence remains there today, it is clear that the Bush Administration is putting too many of its resources into remaining there. To date, the war has cost over $340 billion dollars—money which could have been spent much more wisely and with better end results. It is estimated, for example, that the expenditure of a mere $19 billion would eliminate starvation and malnutrition worldwide. In a time when the current defense budget is $522 billion, the goal of eradicating world hunger is clearly well within reach. Thus, it is clear that the occupation of Iraq needs to end, and it needs to end now without regard to what this will do to United States interest in Iraq’s oil. There are simply much more important issues that need to be addressed.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:35 pm#10: And just how many acts of terrorism have been committed by practising christians lately and how many by muslims? Taliban’s terror regime in Afghanistan, 9/11, Madrid, bombs in Bali, …
And bother with claims such as “the crusades” or “IRA” to this. That’s history.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:38 pmThe detainees need to be charged with a crime and tried in a court. To detain them indefinitely without charges is unAmerican.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:40 pmIt is estimated, for example, that the expenditure of a mere $19 billion would eliminate starvation and malnutrition worldwide.
Pfft. Hunger is a political problem, not a resource problem. Pour those 19 million into some UN food program and that money will simply disappear into the coffers of some African warlord.
Besides, defense expenditure is absolutely necessary for our survival and our own people must come first every time.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:41 pmAnd bother with claims such as “the crusades†or “IRA†to this. That’s history.
Comment by MAF54
And the good Lord knows we don’t want to know about history. The IRA is so 90s.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pmEveryone, are your names and info under “leave a comment” reverting back to null, null and null at every thread?
June 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pm#13: They chose to fight against us and now they’re paying for that. I’d say it’s fair. In WWII they probably would have been summarily shot since they were caught on a battlefield fighting us wearing no uniforms or without being members of any officially recognized military.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:44 pmDamn those typos. Percocet makes it difficult to concentrate.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:46 pmIn WWII they were captured and sent to POW camps all over America. Despite your claims, the US did not summarily execute fighters in the field.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:46 pm#11, Jessica, well said.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pmMoney spent on not one but two failed wars by Bush could well have assisted World Hunger and the millions of internally displaced people caused by U.S. and China policies, but mostly U.S.
P.S. #16, Yes.
whether the bush criminals close guantanamo or not is moot. They’ll just move these people to another location with the same kind of treatment.
The congress can absolutely shut this, and all other such prisons down - now.
some reading:
“Can the Congress Close Guantanamo Bay?”
June 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/ can_the_u_s_congress_close_guantanamo_bay
Of course closing Guantanamo is a good thing. The Administration won’t be doing it for a good reason. Right now it is bad press and a lot of pressure while they are trying to do it ‘their way’ - in secrecy with no limits on what they can do (holding people indefinitely without ever charging them, and using torture; oh, excuse me, enhanced interrogation techniques).
June 21st, 2007 at 6:49 pmThose people will be sent somewhere secret. We won’t know where and what is happening to those people. They will just ‘disappear’, just vanish. Out of sight, out of mind.
That doesn’t mean the atrosities and torture to these prisoners will end. It could actually be worse. This is just a shell game to redirect people’s attention away from what they are doing.
And just how many acts of terrorism have been committed by practising christians lately and how many by muslims?
Let’s see…
Osama got 3,000 Americans on 9/11
Bush is still adding Americans to the nearly 4,000 he’s already had killed with his occupation of Iraq, as well as half a million Iraqis!
Taliban’s terror regime in Afghanistan, 9/11, Madrid, bombs in Bali, …
Still no where near Bush’s half a mil…
And bother with claims such as “the crusades†or “IRA†to this. That’s history.
Comment by MAF54 — June 21, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
So you dismiss past offenses because you can’t win without cheating? Figures.
The IRA is still going on, by the way… Not that we expect you to know anything about current world events.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:50 pmBesides, defense expenditure is absolutely necessary for our survival and our own people must come first every time.
Comment by MAF54
June 21st, 2007 at 6:50 pmWorld Hunger and internal displacement will always be with us, but if we do not continue to find ways to improve relief we breed more terroris.
#19: Wrong. If you were caught fighting the GIs without a uniform or in a wrong uniform (as some Germans did during the Battle of the Bulge), you got shot.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:50 pmKnowing these closet S&Ms, they’ll close Gitmo then “loose” three hundred plus prisoners.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:51 pm“As long as these members of a terrorist organization also known as “islam†aren’t released, I’m ok with that. Comment by MAF54″
It’s only neocon creeps like you that define islam (the religious faith of Muslims) as a “terrorist organization”. How would you like it if someone defined Christianity as a “terrorist organization” (they may actually have a point there, but I digress). Wouldn’t you resent that. Wouldn’t you cry foul…saying that you can’t label everyone who is of a certain faith with such a broad brush. But, that would require you to be able to do some critical thinking which is something you are sorely lacking the ability to do.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:53 pmThe bottomline with terrorism is that they are bred by their circumstances. If we solved the majority of the poverty problems in the world (whichare tied to population problems), there wouldn’t be many terrorists in the first place. But let’s face facts, the neocons want terrorists. They breed terrorists like rabbits breed bunnies… Without these boogeymen, the Military Complex wouldn’t get the funding it needs to exploit the American Middle Class…
We’re still in Iraq for oil, empire building and causation. Nothing else…
June 21st, 2007 at 6:55 pm#27 Katie- well said. Every bit of it.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:56 pmWe are a country of conscience or not a country all, and with no moral standing.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pmBout time. need room for maf54, jake and the other freakshows that crap around the site.
June 21st, 2007 at 6:59 pmGITMO and the trumbed up and ill intentions of it long played out. Close it today and hold hearings tomorrow for the adjudicaton of all these cases.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:01 pm#30: Indeed. What has happened now is that we’ve grown up, decided what good and evil means and imposed that on others. Our moral standing is very clear.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:01 pm“#13: They chose to fight against us and now they’re paying for that. I’d say it’s fair. In WWII they probably would have been summarily shot since they were caught on a battlefield fighting us wearing no uniforms or without being members of any officially recognized military.
Comment by MAF54 ”
You know MAF54, your stupidity is breathtaking. Most of the people in Gitmo were sold to the US by war lords or even neighbors for $5,000 each. The reason why they have not been brought up on charges is because they have no proof that any of those people did anything wrong. If our government had proof that these people are “terrorists” (whatever that is), then don’t you think they would have charged them with a crime. That way Bush could say “Look, I captured, prosecuted and convicted X number of terrorists, aren’t I a good boy”. Unfortunately Bush can’t brag about any convictions except for our American Taliban.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:02 pm#32: Why is it that you liberals keep insisting that the government should release hundreds of dangerous individuals so that they could keep waging their “holy war” against us and our allies?
June 21st, 2007 at 7:02 pm#34: Ah yes. Of course they are innocent, in the camp for no good reason except perhaps that are just being oppressed by our evil republican government. Why am I not surprised. To you, it’s always our (US) fault.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:05 pm#19: Wrong. If you were caught fighting the GIs without a uniform or in a wrong uniform (as some Germans did during the Battle of the Bulge), you got shot.
Comment by MAF54
June 21st, 2007 at 7:05 pmYour argument lacks credibility. Germans shed uniforms as a last ditch effort to survive as they thought we would kill their soldiers without taking prisoners. Some did fight but the majority surrendered in droves.
“#10: And just how many acts of terrorism have been committed by practising christians”
Oh I don’t know. The name Timothy McVay comes to mind. I also read recently about some Christian guy who was convicted of something like plotting to blow up a state capitol building, but that was not covered by the MSM so no one knew about it.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:06 pmWhoa! MAF is having a meltdown today.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:06 pm#30: Indeed. What has happened now is that we’ve grown up, decided what good and evil means and imposed that on others. Our moral standing is very clear.
How concrete of you. What are you, like 12?
June 21st, 2007 at 7:07 pm“#34: Ah yes. Of course they are innocent, in the camp for no good reason except perhaps that are just being oppressed by our evil republican government. Why am I not surprised. To you, it’s always our (US) fault. `Comment by MAF54 ”
What is it about their being sold to our government that is so hard for you to understand you pea brain. Even our government has admitted that they purchased many of the people in Gitmo. So, idiot, if they are all guilty of crimes, why have none of them been charged with a crime in nearly 5 years?
June 21st, 2007 at 7:08 pmMAF54, BESIDES that great incident was showed the better side of American policy. Since then our moral authority to conduct similar operations is totally without basis. We will never be treated with POW camps again. Never.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:08 pm#37: I’m not lacking credibility on that issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Greif
#38: “covered up”. Ah yes. Of course…
June 21st, 2007 at 7:09 pm#41: Because then we’d get grandstanding lawyers working hard, pro bono, trying to get them freed on some technicality. There is also the danger that a trial would result in release of information that hinders our intelligence gathering and interrogation methods.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:10 pm“#32: Why is it that you liberals keep insisting that the government should release hundreds of dangerous individuals so that they could keep waging their “holy war†against us and our allies? Comment by MAF54″
You know, hundreds sounds like a very small number compared to the thousands of new terrorists that Bush has created by invading Iraq. And what are these terrorists? They are people who are very angry that we invaded a country and have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people so we can steal that country’s oil. I don’t know, if I lived in that region and saw that going on, I think I would be very pissed at the US and would probably become a terrorist. I bet you consider all the people in Iraq who are fighting the people who invaded their country and now occupy their country (you know, the good old USA) as terrorists. If that’s the way you think, then if someone invaded our country and you were fighting the invaders, you would be a terrorist.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pmOne last statement on this GITMO ISSUE: Destroy habeous corpus and destroy the last American bastien of true democracy.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:13 pmAnd if you NEO-Idoits cannot understand the ramifications of ending habeous corpus then you are doomed to walk along side the Third Reich with Hitler as you god.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:14 pmYour argument lacks credibility. Germans shed uniforms as a last ditch effort to survive as they thought we would kill their soldiers without taking prisoners. Some did fight but the majority surrendered in droves.
Comment by leftcoast
He’s understandably confused. It was the Nazis who summarily executed partisans. The Allies had this triviality called a trial.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:15 pmAnd just how many acts of terrorism have been committed by practising christians lately and how many by muslims?
Clinic bombing and killing abortion doctors are forms of terrorism designed to scare clinics from performing the procedure. In most cases those actions are done by christian extremists defending what they did by using the bible.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:24 pmhttp://findarticles.com/ p/ articles/ mi_m1058/ is_n5_v115/ ai_20334585
“Army of God”
June 21st, 2007 at 7:28 pmYou can’t be seriously comparing those domestic crimes to terrorism like 9/11, Bali, Madrid or the threat of suitcase nukes or dirty bombs in our cities?
June 21st, 2007 at 7:30 pmThis report means nothing. First of all, even if Bush is given unanimous advice, he clearly won’t feel compelled to take it. Second of all, we heard all sorts of BS reports, like that Bush was planning to withdraw troops, etc. Every time Bush was “expected” to do something good, he did the opposite instead…or simply nothing.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:31 pmI am a Christian, and I know I will be unpoluar here. But most of you know it anyway. And I’ve said things in a very un-christian manner. I appoligize. Islam IS a peacful religion hijacked by extremist as they see a polictical opportunity. Oh, does that not sound like Christians and Bush’s elections and the hijacking of my religious beliefs. I can never stand for the rhetoric of fellow Christians who belive we are doing the right thing in Iraq. or for that matter in wars we start with our guns everywhere. We must strive to help the least among us.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pmhttp://www.answers.com/terrorism&r=67
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Perhaps you need another definition for what you are describing
June 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pmCalifornia manufactures the most guns in the U.S. And is damn importand that we sell and smuggle to Hamas thur Egypt. But is the only money the poor Palestinans in Gaza can make money any more. That wa the hep they needed this week. Egypt is the conduit of these guns thru massive tunnels. We need one Palestine. Perhaps Hamas Gaza thing will have the effect of unifying with the West Bank.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:35 pm“#41: Because then we’d get grandstanding lawyers working hard, pro bono, trying to get them freed on some technicality. There is also the danger that a trial would result in release of information that hinders our intelligence gathering and interrogation methods.Comment by MAF54″
You know, you still haven’t answered my question, why have none of them been charged with a crime. You haven’t answered it because you can”t answer it. And you are so full of crap. We can’t try these individuals because we would be releasing classified information. That’s a bunch of hooey and you know it.
As far as their lawyers being pro bono, exactly how would you expect them to be able to pay a lawyer? Oh, I get it, you don’t have any money to pay a lawyer, then you shouldn’t get a lawyer. They don’t have any money to pay a lawyer because their families don’t even know that they are at Gitmo. For all their families know, they are dead.
I really hope that some day God smites you good. Maybe someone will kidnap someone near and dear to you and you will have to spend the next 5 years now knowing whether they are dead or alive. It would serve you right for your lack of heart and lack of soul. I feel very sorry for anyone you live near. Your stench must be very hard to bear.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:39 pmMaybe someone will kidnap someone near and dear to you and you will have to spend the next 5 years now knowing whether they are dead or alive.
WOW Katie, I have never seen you wish pain on an innocent just to hurt someone else.
I’m kinda scared of you now :)
June 21st, 2007 at 7:41 pmEverything with this Administration is about appearances. It is all about selling the story they want to portray. We have seen this over and over and over again. Scripted, staged, choreographed, manufactured, etc..
Just read “The Greatest Story Ever Sold” by Frank Rich. Just like the Crawford ranch Bush bought right before he announced his run for presidency. It was not a working ranch at all, as Frank Rich put it, it was “more like a movie set”. Or, when Bush went to New Orleans right after Katrina struck for his famous photo op/message from Jackson Square in New Orleans. They brought in huge special generators so that the President would have the perfect lighting and backdrop. The French Quarter was deserted when he spoke about all he was going to do for the city. As soon as his speech ended, they unplugged the generators and put the city back in darkness…
I guess I don’t need to point out the wonderful “Mission Accomplished” debackle. That ship was stationed right off San Diego and they turned the ship around and taped it late in the day so that it would give the viewer the impression they were out to sea (instead of being able to see San Diego’s skyline 40 miles away).
I think Guantanamo has a lot to do with the visual. We are at war. Guantanamo provided a POW camp with captured “terrorists”. It is very visual, that’s for sure. It gave a visual early on of victories in catching “the enemy”. These were the people we needed to be very afraid of. Ony thing is, we don’t know how many are enemies, and how many were just scooped up (and now undoubtedly ARE our enemies. They certainly have reason to hate us). If they were captured for acts of terrorism, then why NOT charge them and try them. I think the American people could get behind that. It seems to me it is much more beneficial to SHOW that we have a prison full of ‘terrorists’.
We are a nation of laws. That has set us apart from other parts of the world. We adhered to those laws, including the Geneva Conventions. All of that has gone away. In the eyes of the rest of the world we have lost credibility and standing. It certainly makes me feel less safe.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:42 pmleftcoast “I am a Christian, and I know I will be unpoluar here.”
Why would you think you will be unpopular here because you are a Christian. As far as I can tell the people on this site have nothing against Christians who behave the way God would want them to behave. I will have a serious problem with God if he really does talk to George Bush, though. The fact that you resent your religion being hijacked by the religious right says volumes about you. You are a good person and you will never be made to feel unpopular here just because you are a Christian.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:43 pmKatie, All I can hope for is that those who belive GITMO was correct will wind up charged with “anything”. These mambie pambies couldn’t take a day in jail with bubba. “Attica! Attica!
June 21st, 2007 at 7:45 pmKatie, Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:46 pm“WOW Katie, I have never seen you wish pain on an innocent just to hurt someone else. I’m kinda scared of you now :) Comment by Tundra”
Yeah, you’re right, I take it back. I really wasn’t thinking about the innocent victim in my scenario. I am just so fed up with evil people like MAF54. It really creeps me out knowing that there are people like him out there. I certainly hope I never run into him. I don’t think I could stand being in the vicinity of that kind of evil. It’s the same thing with Bush. I can’t even watch him on TV or listen to him any more. Any time I see him or hear him, I immediately tune into something else.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:47 pmFDR took on three wars , won two of them before he died and had the process in place to win the third. It took about four years to complete the entire cycle. W is more than 4 years into a war where he was never attached and 6 years into one where he was, and is still trying to hide his brown pants. He is suffering defeat on all fronts.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:51 pmYeah, you’re right, I take it back.
WHEW, I feel better now.
Don’t get fed up, keep up the fight, you do it well.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:52 pm“WHEW, I feel better now. Don’t get fed up, keep up the fight, you do it well. Comment by Tundra ”
Well, thanks for the glass of ice water in the face. I needed that! The last thing in the world I ever want to do is to become evil like they are.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pmExcuse me…but weren’t many of the prisoners at Guantanamo RELEASED because they were innocent….innocent without the benefit of a trial. Habeus Corpus is vital to America’s standing in the world. The reason they are closing this awfull place is because of the International Brick Wall our diplomats run into…whenever they try to smooth over relations with the rest of the World.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:54 pmI leave for Sudan in the next few weeks on a photo shoot. My third. Shooting photos harldy does the the travesty justice. So many refugees have hope and try to live “normal” lives. They are so kind. God, we sit at our computers at our 700to 5000 SF homes spouting out political pamblum that offers no hope. Catch a plane, look into the faces of our destruction. And it is ours, it is yours. We blame our Pres. and administration,but who does the blame with?
June 21st, 2007 at 8:00 pmLeftcoast, be safe. You have my respect. I am not in a position where I can ever leave. I am parent and caregiver to two young adults with intense special needs. I am tied to my home (which is how I manage to spend too much time on my computer.) My husband is the one who does the volunteer around the world trying to make a difference. He spent three weeks in New Orleans back in March. For myself, I don’t know how to make a difference other than talking and writing. So, I do it.
June 21st, 2007 at 8:11 pmFor myself, I don’t know how to make a difference other than talking and writing. So, I do it.
Comment by JG
JG, You do make a difference! Bless you. And I will take your words with me to share. Every bit of sentiment in our world will help. It’ll help all over.
June 21st, 2007 at 8:18 pm“And just how many acts of terrorism have been committed by practising christians lately and how many by muslims? Taliban’s terror regime in Afghanistan, 9/11, Madrid, bombs in Bali, … ”
JHC on a cracker, MAF. You don’t need to resort to terrorism when you are in power. You just drop bombs on little brown people!!
June 21st, 2007 at 9:13 pmWhy do I get the feeling the detainees are really hostages? Why is everything the WH does backed up by taking hostages?
June 21st, 2007 at 9:52 pmSPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%!”
June 21st, 2007 at 10:31 pmSPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%.”
SPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%.”
SPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%!”
It’s called throwing a bone. Distract from the 250,000 Americans in Iraq, some of who will certainly die this summer while Chimpy continues to try to extend the war so that he can pass it on to the Democrats in January of 2009. Pissing away 100s of billions.
Here boy..
June 21st, 2007 at 10:35 pmComment by leftcoast — June 21, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
Wow. That’s amazing, leftcoast. Like JG says, stay safe. When you get back, let us know if we’ll be able to see your photos anywhere.
Peace & blessings
June 21st, 2007 at 11:17 pmI don’t know how to make a difference other than talking and writing. So, I do it.
Comment by JG
Oh my god, you’re doing more than most of us will ever do, JG. I admire you so much! You’re probably thinking, “Well it’s just what I have to do.” And it is, but so many people don’t.
My son and I had a great time on my visit to Portland. We ran around on the train and went to the Saturday Market and Powells Books.
Why does this seem so special to me? My son has autism. He’s got a job and his own place, and it’s such an achievement for him. Just a year ago, I thought he’d live with me for the rest of his life!
You’re an amazing woman, JG!
Blessings to you….
June 21st, 2007 at 11:23 pmSafe journey leftcoast!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:25 pmThanks Zooey. My one son has Down Syndrome and is hearing impaired. My other son is adopted and has FAE and RAD. It is a pretty interesting household..
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:48 amGlad you enjoyed Portland. We drove on Sunday to Hood River. It was gorgeous. There is no place like Oregon.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:49 amI would love to be able to swap stories sometime..
Glad you enjoyed Portland. We drove on Sunday to Hood River. It was gorgeous. There is no place like Oregon.
I would love to be able to swap stories sometime..
Comment by JG
Hood River is where the Gorge starts getting really good. I love it. My son and I went up to Vista House. The re-model is great.
I’m on facebook. A lot of the TP commenters are, actually, on the Thinkprogress group. If you want, go to facebook.com and join up. Search for Zooey Z, and send me a message!
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:12 amAnd just how many acts of terrorism have been committed by practising christians lately and how many by muslims? Taliban’s terror regime in Afghanistan, 9/11, Madrid, bombs in Bali - MAF54
Don’t even dare to mention the attack in Madrid. It was the direct consequence of our rightist governemnt playing the poodle of Bush in the illegal war of Iraq, so it DOESN’T HELP YOUR SIDE, moron. You can’t even start to understand foreing policy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:51 am