Slate’s Fred Kaplan
Slate’s Fred Kaplan
on Rudy Giuliani:
The fact is, Giuliani has no idea what he’s talking about. On the campaign trail he says that the terrorist threat “is something I understand better than anyone else running for president.” As the mayor of New York City on Sept. 11, 2001, he may have lived more intimately with the consequences of terrorism, but this has no bearing on his inexperience or his scant insight in the realm of foreign policy. He is, in fact, that most dangerous would-be world leader: a man who doesn’t seem to know how much he doesn’t know.
Kevin Drum notes that “the academic name for this is the Dunning-Kruger Effect. … Dunning and Kruger, in a famous series of tests, found that ‘Incompetent individuals, compared with their more competent peers, will dramatically overestimate their ability and performance relative to objective criteria.’”
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there are those who know what they know, there are those who know what they don’t know, there are those who don’t know what they know, and there are those who don’t know what they don’t know… i agree… giuliani is in the latter and the most dangerous category…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
June 21st, 2007 at 10:13 pmWow, Kaplan, nice job! The fact that Giulliani said such sweet, comforting things does not mean he has any experience with stopping terrorism. As a matter of fact, terrorism was good for him.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:14 pmThe “Dunning-Kruger Effect” huh? How about the Bush-Cheney effect.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:14 pmTrudy give it up. Loooooooser.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:14 pmThe “Dunning-Kruger Effect†huh? How about the Bush-Cheney effect.
Comment by Texas Democrat
Great minds……
June 21st, 2007 at 10:17 pmThe most dangerous thing would be people actually buying Rudy’s bullshit. Rudy is a turd, no question, but people voting for him to be the 44th President, well, they’re far more dangerous.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:18 pmRUDEEEE would be a great candidate for the Dems to go up against. Given a reasonably smart campaign manager, they could blow this man’s dress off in the first two weeks of the campaign.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:18 pmHe is, in fact, that most dangerous would-be world leader: a man who doesn’t seem to know how much he doesn’t know.
No no no… “the most dangerous would-be world leader…”??? Sh*t, that’s most definitely Bruschâ„¢, hands down. Talk about desperate wannabees…
June 21st, 2007 at 10:23 pmI have a standing question for any of my fellow New Yorkers out there, prefaced by a comment: Wayne and I watched the news constantly in the hours, days, weeks that followed the 9/11 attack. We even kept the TV on in our conference room at work, and our boss allowed us to wander in and out to catch the news and updates pretty much at will. It was hard to tear oneself away from CNN or whatever news was on. NOT ONCE during that time do I remember anyone quoting Rudy Giuliani as saying “Thank God George Bush is our President right now” (or however he phrased it.) I know damned well that, if I had heard that, I would have remembered it (due to the feeling of complete disgust that would have been triggered.) It wasn’t until much, much later that I heard Rudy trotting out that line. So…
Does anyone else, particularly NYers, remember hearing Rudy say that, or hearing anyone quoting Rudy as saying that, at any time in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? Please correct me if I’m wrong, thanks.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:25 pmSPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%.”
June 21st, 2007 at 10:27 pmSPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%.”
SPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%.”
SPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%.”
“He is, in fact, that most dangerous would-be world leader: a man who doesn’t seem to know how much he doesn’t know.”
In other words, he’s another “Bush” league “Decider”.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:30 pmTC-14,
As the top 1% in this country owns 90% of it’s wealth I’d say it couldn’t possibly go below 1%, thats his base. Now how close it gets to that will be interesting.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:30 pmthey could blow this man’s dress off in the first two weeks of the campaign.
Comment by upside00
That’s a visual I can live without!
June 21st, 2007 at 10:36 pmRudy is the new Dubya.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:39 pmGiuliani is a typical incompetent GOPer, but he likes to wear women’s underpanties and bras > lol.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:40 pmGiuliani is a typical incompetent GOPer, but he likes to wear women’s underpanties and bras > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal
I don’t understand the “but” in your post.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:42 pmYeah, well there’s that - the Dunning-Kruger Effect - and then there are Guilani’s other character flaws that go far beyond incompetence. Duplicity, corruption, vanity (beyond Narcissism - we’re talkin’ sociopath material), greed, avarice, dishonesty, and rank hypocrisy.
Like all of the other Republic Party candidates, Guliani understands that if America was willing to put up with Bush for 8 years, the winner of the next election will be able to continue the orgy of corruption and immorality without missing a step, if that is their bent (do you wonder why the Dems are playing along?). Goodbye Republic, hello Empire.
He also knows that the Republican base are as sick or sicker than him, and that there is no depth to which he could sink in his attempt to to gain the mantle of President, Commander in Chief, and Holy Emporer of America, that the base would find objectionable.
Plus, he looks clammy.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:46 pm“Giuliani is, in fact, that most dangerous would-be world leader: a man who doesn’t seem to know how much he doesn’t know.” When will Think Progress will get it straight? That Giuliani is big fat parasitic liar, feeding of the dead bodies of 9/11. Excuse me, not parasitic–ghoulish!
June 21st, 2007 at 10:47 pmshane > typical GOPers do not wear women’s clothing, but Rudy does. In that sense he is not the norm. Lots of GOPer males are closeted hypocrites who hire male hookers for sex, but no evidence Rudy does that. He just likes to cross-dress.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:47 pm“a man who doesn’t seem to know how much he doesn’t know”
June 21st, 2007 at 10:50 pmperfect, isn’t that what conservatives look for in a candidate? Well, that and a man who forgets to remember.
Jay Randal ,
June 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmAs someone who lived in NY during the Rudy years he’s the man.
He cracked down on Gangs and Druggies.
He made it safe so that allowed business to flourish.
I was there, yiou weren’t!
He actually did accomplished something unlike you Ayatollah Hillary.
Hillary is the Left’s Bush!
That’s a visual I can live without!
Comment by shane
Ewwww… I sure hope he doesn’t forget to weaar undies that day.
June 21st, 2007 at 10:57 pmArmando Gomez,
June 21st, 2007 at 10:58 pmYour ignirant slave like follwing of the Racist Leftists disgusts me.
You’re a race traitor and a disgrace to the Latin race.
You Latin on the outside and Anglo inside.
Tu eres un traido a la raza idiota!
The Republic of Stupidity ,
June 21st, 2007 at 10:59 pmHey I have a perfect name for you.
The Islamic Republic of Stupidity!
Joker > lol I bet you cross-dress too. You probably like to wear silk thongs.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:00 pmRudy is a puppet AIPAC.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:02 pmHe’s a Zionist pig who should be exterminated.
Along with the whole Jewish race and Israel!
Jay Randal ,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:05 pmI thought you Leftists are tolerant of diverse lifestyle?
You tolerate suicidal Muslims, why not cross dressers.
What a person does in there persoanl life is none of our business.
I see in you’re simple mind is you’re stuck in the Right-Left paradigm.
I’m beyond that paradigm.
You’re obsolete like a Model T ford.
The joker, you just called Armando ignirant. Can you tell me what the problem with that is?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:06 pmJPARK,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:07 pmHe’s a race traitor.
Stay out of this you stupid Anglo.
The Islamic Republic of Stupidity!
Comment by The Joker
Sorry, son, different franchise…
As for the Republicâ„¢, we’re currently undergoing renovations and sadly cannot accept any new members at this time, even though you would appear to be a natural-born Stupidianâ„¢.
We will be re-opening soon at the same address, w/ an open-house, and of course, we will be giving away door prizes! Check back for details!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:07 pmYou probably like to wear silk thongs.
But who doesn’t?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:08 pmThe Islamic Republic of Stupidity,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:08 pmWho the hell would want to be part of your Jihad group!
Jay, I don’t know about joker and silk thongs but I can tell you for sure that his headband is w-a-a-a-a-a-a-y too tight.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:09 pmJay Randal,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:09 pmWhy are you so simple minded and dumb?
Joker > you are a complete nut. Your views of the world are crazy. Rudy likes to cross-dress in public, so it opens him to redicule.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:10 pmTom,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:10 pmThe Tolerance of the Left.
I laugh at archiac thing fools like you!
Rudy likes to cross-dress in public, so it opens him to redicule.
Does that mean anyone who cross dresses in public should be made fun of?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:11 pmJay Randal ,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:12 pmSo you’re bigot!
You’re against diverse lifestyles!
I’ll take a cross dressing Mayor who turned a city around as opposed to a Stalinist bitch who’s only accomplishment is getting fucked by Bill Clinton!
The joker, you f^cking moron. I ask you again!!! Why is calling Armando ignirant stupid? It isn’t that tough?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:13 pmDon’t worry about Rudy. Mitt Romney will take him to task for his terrible record on terrorism. That’s because Mitt is from the state where two of the planes took off. That’s almost as good as being from where they landed.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:14 pmI’ve got one question maybe you guys could help me with. Slate’s Fred Kaplin states that “The fact is, Giuliani has no idea what he’s talking about.” I’m just curious as to how Fred Kaplin knows what Giuliani knows? I have no opinion of Guiliani because I haven’t studied him well enough; however, I do know that education has taught that making statements based upon fact, as Fred claims his statement is, with out using any facts to support the statement lacks critical thinking and is an emotional based arguement. I would simply like to know ‘The facts’ that Mr. Kaplin knows. Further, for Kevin Drum to them make such a statement based upon hollow opinion, further demonstrates Mr. Drum’s inability to critically think for himself as well. Enjoy!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:14 pmOr should I say why is calling Armando “ignirant” stupid? Hint, it is the word “ingirant”.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:15 pmTundra > if a politician cross-dresses in public, then they deserve to laughed at. If they do it secretly at home, then it is their fetish.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:15 pmScott, tell me, what exactly does Giulliani know?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:16 pmif a politician cross-dresses in public, then they deserve to laughed at
So you are against a cross dressing mayor/senator/president if they do it in public?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:17 pmAnd I thought the J in JPark stood for Juan or Jose - I guess Jerker can read a persons’ race through their keyboard! What a talent!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:17 pmQue un tonto Gonzalito.
Yes Tundra I am against politicians cross-dressing in public. I am against them dressing up in leather bondage attire in public too.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:19 pmshane > typical GOPers do not wear women’s clothing, but Rudy does. In that sense he is not the norm. Lots of GOPer males are closeted hypocrites who hire male hookers for sex, but no evidence Rudy does that. He just likes to cross-dress.
Comment by Jay Randal
How can you be sure they don’t all wear women’s clothing? Certainly none of them show any traits that would imply they are too manly to do so. But I’m just teasing you anyway.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:20 pmJPark ,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:21 pmIt’s a Latin es. Latin thing.
Stay out of Anglo!
Go and post of how we should feel sorry for your Muslim allies!
Jay Randal,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:22 pmI thought the Left tolerates diverse lifestyles?
Oh that’s right you’re not a Leftist.
You a Muslim!
Thanks for exposing yourself Jihadi!
Does that mean anyone who cross dresses in public should be made fun of?
Comment by Tundra
It means that anyone who cross dresses and decides to run for the office of president should be made fun of. Get it?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:24 pmThe Joker, did you just tell me to stay out of “Anglo” and then just before claim you were speaking Latin? Do you not see a problem with that?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:24 pmJihad Park,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:28 pmGo post about some stupid Muslim kid getting killed.
You’re a worthless human who should’ve been aborted!
It’s a Latin es. Latin thing.
Stay out of Anglo!
Go and post of how we should feel sorry for your Muslim allies!
Comment by The Joker
Joker you are like a gay man refusing to come out of the closet but dancing around the issue constantly.
You’re a Bloomberg hack, trying to convince everybody they only possible solution in your independent of choice. Why don’t you just come out and say what you mean instead of prancing around here like a raving lunatic.
Unless you are just a raving lunatic, are you?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:29 pmIt means that anyone who cross dresses and decides to run for the office of president should be made fun of. Get it?
Sure, if that’s how you feel. Personally I would be more for someones point of view/experience/ability to do the job (Not stating Rudy qualifies there) as opposed to how they dress in public. While I wouldn’t care if they wore a cowboy hat, a suit, a feathered boa you may and that’s fine.
Of course I am pretty tolerant of others peoples choices, that’s just me though.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:29 pmOf course I am pretty tolerant of others peoples choices, that’s just me though.
Comment by Tundra
Sure, all you neocons are just bundles of tolerance.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:31 pmThe “iJhad” Joker,
I noticde taht yuo stlil haev nto dneied that you are a Muslim Magenta.
Whta are yuop afriad of, thta yuo mihgt nto gte yuor 27 virgnis whne yuo commti ijhad?
Yuor Muslim masters hvae lyd ot yuo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH
June 21st, 2007 at 11:32 pmThe Joker, you just called me Jihad Park, do you see nothing wrong with that? If not, you are just f^cking dumb.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:32 pmYou’re a worthless human who should’ve been aborted!
Comment by The Joker — June 21, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Ah, so you’re pro-abortion?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:33 pmSure, all you neocons are just bundles of tolerance.
Comment by shane — June 21, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Umm yeah, you got me. I’m not the one that’s running around saying “It’s ok to laugh at cross dressers because they deserve it for doing something non-cross dressers should only be doing”
And I’m not a Neocon by the way.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:33 pmPrimus, I know that was frickin’ deep. Nice job :)
June 21st, 2007 at 11:33 pmshane ,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:34 pmI post here to expose Naive thinking fools like you stuck in the Right/Left paradigm.
Your simple mind thinks Republicans=bad, Democrats=good.
You refuse to be honest and see that they’re both Anti-American and traitors.
You’re just an ignorant Hillary follower.
No different than an Al-Qaeda member.
You follow your Mullah’s instructions.
Think for your self.
Oh I forgot.
You can’t think!
You’re brainwashed!
#60 is an imposter.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:35 pm“Ah, so you’re pro-abortion?”
LOL, Jane, the testosterone laden would never have caught that. Very nice!!!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:35 pmYeah, JPark, I think you just have to talk to it the right way.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:36 pmOh, Primus, don’t start with the Left/Right paradigm. You just stopped with the right paradigm. Either shoot right into the left paradigm or do a agnostic paradigm (they don’t say much).
June 21st, 2007 at 11:36 pmAh, so you’re pro-abortion?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 21, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Now see I would of never pulled a move like that……Well OK maybe once :)
June 21st, 2007 at 11:37 pmSPREAD THE WORD: Bush is now officially known as “Mr. 26%.â€
Comment by TC-14 — June 21, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
As the top 1% in this country owns 90% of it’s wealth I’d say it couldn’t possibly go below 1%, thats his base. Now how close it gets to that will be interesting.
Comment by Texas Democrat — June 21, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
I had heard someone say once (and he may have been exaggerating) that something like 19% of the people think that they are in the top 1% of income. If true, or even close to it, I would say his approval will bottom out around 21%. That’s my guess. Should we start a pool?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:37 pmMr. Pres, Primus. I believe #60 is a tool. Sorry I responded to it.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:37 pmJane,
Ah, so you’re pro-abortion?
I’m personally against it, but for it legally
June 21st, 2007 at 11:37 pmIt’s a Woman’s body and they have a right to do whatever.
Women will have abortions anyway, so it’s better it’s legal so it’s safe.
I also favor legalizing Drugs, Prostitution and Gambling.
Freedom is God’s greatest gift to man!
Wayne, I don’t doubt that at all. Check any trailor park. 50% of them think they are middle class. Amazing.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:39 pmYeah, well there’s that - the Dunning-Kruger Effect - and then there are Guilani’s other character flaws that go far beyond incompetence. Duplicity, corruption, vanity (beyond Narcissism - we’re talkin’ sociopath material), greed, avarice, dishonesty, and rank hypocrisy.
Comment by smafdy — June 21, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
That reminded me of a great SCTV sketch. John Candy was doing an Alfred Hitchcock spoof, and he said, “Tonight’s story is about a woman whose greed was matched only by her avarice.”
Sorry, I had to mention it.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:39 pm23# The Joker
Hey, Joker, glad I’m appreiated. First, I believe you meant the word “ignorant†not ignirant, which is a mistake on your part, both in the choice of word and about me. Second, you refer me as a “Latin.†That too is incorrect. By acknowledging me by my name what you meant is “Latino,†not Latin. The word Latin refers to culture, languages. And third, the word “traitor†refers to someone who turn against his own kind. . Dead wrong again, buddy. To be a liberal is to believe in freedom for all. Since you have gotten every thing wrong about me, heres my Mexican reposnse: ¡Melleva la que me trajo! That means I’m ticked off from responding to a doofus like you. Happy trails, Bucko.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:39 pmDamn, The “Jihad” Joker is getting desperate!!!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:40 pmSorry abot that.
I was responding Subness and it was in my name.
I posted 60 and 68 by accident.
Subpamus,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:41 pmI am not a Muslim!
I am a Roman Catholic.
I’m Spaniard/Italian.
I eat Pork.
I Drink Liqour.
I own Dopgs.
The above disqualifies me from being a Jihadist.
You on the otherhand are a Jihadist.
I kknow.
You speak lies and
Sorry abot that.
I was responding Subness and it was in my name.
I posted 60 and 68 by accident.
Comment by The Joker — June 21, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
Yeah, we figured it was you… but how did you do it “by accident”?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:43 pmCrap, Armando, what is wrong with you???? :) You gave him the answer to the ignirant question!!!!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:43 pmRoman Catholic, Joker? Are you kidding??? That is f^cking hilarious!!!!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:44 pmWhat is a “Dopgs”?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:45 pmArmando,
You have been brainwashed by the Anglo establishment.
Latino is Latin Idiot fool.
But since your a good little stooge of the Anglos you can’t get that in your deformed mind.
Sublis.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:46 pmYou’re no Octavian.
He was one of the greatest Latin leaders in world History.
You are neither Latin nor great.
Maybe you should post as
Caliph Abu Bakr.
That’s your history pal!
You speak lies and
Comment by The Joker — June 21, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
Well… are you going to finish?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:46 pmFake Ceasar,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:49 pmI posted your name by accident.
I was typing a response and I put it in the name.
Look I don’t like you and believe your a Muslim stooge.
But I do apologize.
I have no need to name jack as I’ve been straight up on my opinions.
I just did.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:49 pmThe Joker, what? I thought Enrique Iglesius was the biggest latin conquerer!!! Oh, wait, no, it is only you small cocked little girls that think the Mexicans are taking over the Earth. You guys do know how stupid you sound, right?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:49 pmJPark,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:50 pmBetter to be Roman Catholic that to be a Suicidal Muslim!
Well, sh!t, Joker, I am neither. I guess I win. I am NOT a freaking extremist!!!
June 21st, 2007 at 11:51 pmHint Joker…you are.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:51 pmSo afraid of Rudi, so utterly afraid of the man. I would be scared too if Hillary was the heir apparent to your DFL throne.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:52 pmThe “iJhad” Joker,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:52 pmAh-Ha!!! So yuo amdit thta yuo arte a Muslim Magenta!!!
Goose, who gives one sh!t about Hillary? You go ahead and target her. I am happy.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:52 pmJPark ,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:54 pmHa you ignorant fool.
Why would I hate Mexicans?
Mexicans are my Latin brothers.
Why would I hate them.
Heck I wish Mexicans would take over this country!
Better them than the Muslims and their anglo lackeys that run it now!
37# Jpark
Appreciate the back up, buddy. Now for the real problem: The Joker. His problem is just that: The Joker is a “joke.†A loser who kisses his masters’ buttocks—and gets paid squat, especially when the master is squatting.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:54 pmDunning-Kruger Effect, huh? I didn’t know they had a name for the condition our trolls are suffering from.
June 21st, 2007 at 11:55 pmSo afraid of Rudi, so utterly afraid of the man. I would be scared too if Hillary was the heir apparent to your DFL throne.
Comment by Goose
You support Rudy G? Pick someone else, Goose, cuz Rudy’s not going anywhere in this race.
You won’t hurt our feeling being silly about Hillary. Just sayin’
June 21st, 2007 at 11:55 pmJihadi PARK,
June 21st, 2007 at 11:56 pmYou’re either an Islamic extermist or a Dhimmi sympathiser.
Why in your posts you always support Muslim causes?
I’ve got one question maybe you guys could help me with. Slate’s Fred Kaplin states that “The fact is, Giuliani has no idea what he’s talking about.†I’m just curious as to how Fred Kaplin knows what Giuliani knows? I have no opinion of Guiliani because I haven’t studied him well enough; however, I do know that education has taught that making statements based upon fact, as Fred claims his statement is, with out using any facts to support the statement lacks critical thinking and is an emotional based arguement. I would simply like to know ‘The facts’ that Mr. Kaplin knows. Further, for Kevin Drum to them make such a statement based upon hollow opinion, further demonstrates Mr. Drum’s inability to critically think for himself as well. Enjoy!
Comment by Scott — June 21, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Did you read the sentences immediately following the one you quoted? He gave an example of a ridiculous statement Rudy made to convince people he’s qualified to be a world leader, and showed how it did no such thing. Does that answer your question?
June 21st, 2007 at 11:57 pmArmano Traido a la Raza Latino,
“A loser who kisses his masters’ buttocks—and gets paid squat, especially when the master is squatting.”
That’s what you do when when your Leftist Anglo Masters tell you how to think.
That’s how they have you brainwashed, since you believe yourself to be inferior and need their help.
Thay have convinced you, that you can’t make it with out them.
How does that Chocolate Shake taste!
Now here’s my Castillian responce to your Mexican!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:01 amYo nunca necesitado ayuda de los Anglo Barbaros !.
I’m a Muslim joker, and since I run the whole world, I know where you live and I’m coming to get you. Be scared, be very scared.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 am“Jihadi PARK,
You’re either an Islamic extermist or a Dhimmi sympathiser.
Why in your posts you always support Muslim causes?”
Realism isn’t your forte, is it?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 amArmando, The Joker is a joke. There is really nothing intelligent or deep about him. Actually, he is kinda dumb.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 amOmar Ali ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:05 amBring it on Jihadist.
I’m very well armed .
You don’t scare me.
That’s why I speak out against you.
There’s a growing Anti-Muslim movement in America!
Be aware!
Joker, Joker, quit while you aren’t ahead. You keep making that same erroneous “Latin” phrase. And it’s not “Octavian,” but Octavio Paz, the great Mexican writer. You just can’t seem to get it straight, bucko. Even you handle is wrong: it should be “the Joke” not the “The Joker.”
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:05 amLOL, Omar Ali, do you think you terrorists know were he lives? Or is that the Bush administration? Personally, I know that Bushies know where I live and I can only hope they aren’t going to abduct me. Terrorists? I am pretty sure they don’t know me.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:05 amJPark ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:07 amYou’re brainwahed!
Here’s how you think:
“Republicans=Bad
Democrats=Good
Christians/Jews=bad
Muslims=good
Hillary should be made President for life!”
That’s your sad exuse for a brain!
Hillary should be made President for life!â€
Joker,
Actually very few people on this board like Hillary to be honest. Sure they may like her over almost every Republican candidate, but she isn’t the crowd favorite.
To get the reaction you want say:
Feingold should be made President for life!â€
Just trying to help
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:11 amThe Joker, how is the old McNulty?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:13 amHey, I have the solution to The “Joke” Joker: Ignore him. He’s running empty on quips. Wait–he never had any. Now everyone–IGNORE HIM.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:14 amAramndo the fool,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:15 am” And it’s not “Octavian,†but Octavio Paz, the great Mexican writer. You ”
Why is his name Octavio?
Care to guess?
He was named after Octiavin Ceasar also known as Agustus or Augusto in Spanish.
He was the 1st Emperor of the 1st great Latin civilization:
Imperium Romanorum or el Imperio Romano.
In case you didn’t know the Romanos called themsleve Latino.
It’s called Latin America because the settlers were from Latin Europe.
That’s Espana, Portugal Y Italia.
Castillian/Spanish comes from Latin you fool.
Latins are Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese, Romanians, Latin Americans, Filipino and Angolans.
I studied the history of Latin people’s.
You’re brainwashed into thinking you’re some helpless minority that needs the Leftist anglo to help you.
That’s why you don’t know this.
Oh well.
I guess ignorance is bliss!
Armando, The Joke just made it easier to ignor him. I hate poetry.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 amignore.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 amEspecially bad poetry.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:17 amAs one of her constituents, I can back that one up. I don’t want her to be president. I want her to finish serving the six year term she asked us to give her. If she wants to run in 2012, we’ll worry about her then.
Besides, hardly anyone in the lead this early has stayed in the lead all the way to the end. Third party candidates will begin emerging (not just Bloomberg, but others), and when people begin to understand that the Democrats and Republicans are not their only choices, they will scare the two major parties.
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 amVOTE FOR A THIRD!
I hate poetry.
Comment by JPark — June 22, 2007 @ 12:16 am
You mean you didn’t like “The Craving”? I’m hurt! ;-)
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 amI want her to finish serving the six year term she asked us to give her.
I hear that, Everyone of them that has a job on our dime, needs to be doing it.
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD,
VOTE FOR A THIRD!
Here! Here!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 amIGNORE THE JOKE: HE’S GONE CUCKOO! COOTIE CRAZY. Am I attacking him or the content of his statement? HIM! THERE’S NO CONTENT IN ANYTHING HE SAY.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:22 amLOL, Wayne, I am not a fan of poetry but “The Craving” spoke to me!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:23 amTruly Fair and Balanced:
The facts about 9/11 and Rudy:
About 5,000 active and retired FDNY employees are receiving medical treatment for injuries and illnesses connected to the World Trade Center attacks, according to a Fire Department document.
“That is an absolutely staggering number, and it’s a number that speaks volumes,” said Andrew Carboy, a lawyer who represents more than 200 firefighters in a negligence suit against the city. “That’s half of what the force was on 9/11.” About 3,000 firefighters and EMS workers are receiving counseling for emotional problems. Another 1,500 are suffering respiratory ailments.
While the mayor himself flew out of New York on a magic carpet, thousands of cash-strapped cops, firemen and city workers involved with the cleanup at the World Trade Center were developing cancers and infections and mysterious respiratory ailments like the “WTC cough.” This is the dirty little secret lurking underneath Rudy’s 9/11 hero image — the most egregious example of his willingness to shape public policy to suit his donors. While the cleanup effort at the Pentagon was turned over to federal agencies like OSHA, which quickly sealed off the site and required relief workers to wear hazmat suits, the World Trade Center cleanup was handed over to Giuliani. The city’s Department of Design and Construction (DDC) promptly farmed out the waste-clearing effort to a smattering of politically connected companies, including Bechtel, Bovis and AMEC construction.
Rudy giuliani is a true American hero, and we know this because he does all the things we expect of heroes these days — like make $16 million a year, and lobby for Hugo Chávez and Rupert Murdoch, and promote wars without ever having served in the military, and hire a lawyer to call his second wife a “stuck pig,” and organize absurd, grandstanding pogroms against minor foreign artists, and generally drift through life being a shameless opportunist with an outsize ego who doesn’t even bother to conceal the fact that he’s had a hard-on for the presidency since he was in diapers. In the media age, we can’t have a hero humble enough to actually be one; what is needed is a tireless scoundrel, a cad willing to pose all day long for photos, who’ll accept $100,000 to talk about heroism for an hour, who has the balls to take a $2.7 million advance to write a book about himself called Leadership. That’s Rudy Giuliani. Our hero. And a perfect choice to uphold the legacy of George W. Bush.
Yes, Rudy is smarter than Bush. But his political strength — and he knows it — comes from America’s unrelenting passion for never bothering to take that extra step to figure shit out.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 amWayne A. Schneider ,
I actually agree with you!
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD,
VOTE FOR A THIRD!
Catchy Phrase!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:26 amAww, the Joker wants you to vote for Bloomberg. Sweet.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:29 amArmando Gomez ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:29 amYes ignore me.
You were never taught Latin history.
I feel soory for you.
You should read about our Civilization’s heritage.
Did you know the alphabet we used is called the Latin Alphabet?
Oh well I guess this is causing your brainwashed brain to malfunction.
So how does it feel being Latin on the outside and anglo inside.
Can I call you Coconut?
If you want to vote for Bloomberg, just remember, that is what the Joker wants you to do.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:30 amThe Joker, hatred isn’t cool. Stop.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:30 amJPark ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:30 amAbsolutely.
Bloomberg has my vote!
He’s made his own money and owe no one!
He’sll dismantle the Muslim network running America!
You know what Joker? Bloomberg would get my vote over Hillary. However, he is not going to do the “KILL ALL MUSLIM” thing you want. You might want to check out Tancredo you hateful little b!tch.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:32 amComment by FOX News — June 22, 2007 @ 12:24 am
Bravo!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:36 amFacts on Immigration:
There is no evidence that the economic slowdown that began in 2000 or the terrorist attacks in 2001 have significantly slowed the rate of immigration. More than 3.3 million legal and illegal immigrants have entered the country since January of 2000.
By historical standards, the 33.1 million immigrants living in the United States is unprecedented. Even at the peak of the great wave of immigration in the early 20th century, the number of immigrants living in the United States was only 40 percent of what it is today (13.5 million in 1910).
Immigrants account for 11.5 percent of the total population, the highest percentage in 70 years. If current trends continue, by the end of this decade the immigrant share of the total population will surpass the all time high of 14.8 percent reached in 1890.
Immigration has become the determinate factor in population growth. The arrival of 1.5 million immigrants each year, coupled with 750,000 births to immigrant women annually, means that immigration policy is adding over two million people to the U.S. population each year, accounting for at least two-thirds of U.S. population growth.
Although immigration has a very large effect on the overall size of the U.S. population, it has a much more modest effect on the age structure in the United States. The nearly 16 million immigrants who arrived in the United States since 1990 have lowered the average age in the United States by only four months.
The percentage of immigrants without a high school diploma is 30 percent, more than 3.5 times the rate for natives. Since 1990, immigration has increased the number of high school dropouts in the labor force by 21 percent, while increasing the supply of all other workers by 5 percent.
The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is two-thirds higher than that of natives and their children, 17.6 percent versus 10.6 percent. Immigrants and their minor children now account for almost one in four persons living in poverty.
The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent compared to 16.3 percent for native households.
One-third of immigrants do not have health insurance — 2.5 times the rate for natives. Immigrants who arrived after 1989 and their U.S.-born children account for 95 percent (7.5 million) of the 7.8 million increase in the size the uninsured population since 1989.
The low educational attainment and resulting low wages of many immigrants are the primary reasons so many live in poverty, use welfare, and lack health insurance, not their legal status or an unwillingness to work.
Immigration accounts for virtually all of the national increase in public school enrollment over the last two decades. In 2002, there were 9.7 million school-age children from immigrant families in the United States.
In 2002, 39.2 percent of immigrants 18 and older were citizens and they comprised 6 percent of all eligible voters.
Immigrants and natives exhibit remarkably similar rates of entrepreneurship, with about 1 in 10 being self employed.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 amJPark,
Apology accepted, let’s move on! :D (I’m a Colbert fan, of course.)
Glad it touched you. Do visit my blog now and then. Something new (and very silly) up there tonight. But this thread isn’t about me, it’s apparently about The Joker. Or Rudy. Same thing.
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD,
VOTE FOR A THIRD!
Catchy Phrase!
Comment by The Joker — June 22, 2007 @ 12:26 am
Thank you. I hope it catches on before the next election. And I meant it to apply to Congress, too.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 amThe arrival of 1.5 million immigrants each year, coupled with 750,000 births to immigrant women annually,
Does that mean half the imigrants are pregnant women?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:40 amTundra, somehow, yes, that is exactly what they are saying. And if not we will impregnate the rest.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:42 am“Did you read the sentences immediately following the one you quoted? He gave an example of a ridiculous statement Rudy made to convince people he’s qualified to be a world leader, and showed how it did no such thing. Does that answer your question?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 21, 2007 @ 11:57 pm”
Mr. Schneider, I clearly asked, “What does Mr. Kaplan know about Mr. Guiliani as to know that Mr. Guiliania doesn’t know what he is talking about?” Mr. Kaplan quoting a statement by Mr. Guiliani does not provide any fact that he doesn’t know what he is talking about. An example, If Mr. Kaplan says. . . “The fact is, Scott doesn’t know what he is talking about. ” Then quotes me saying, “I know more about bicycle racing than any other bicyclist,” that doesn’t provide any facts to substantiate Mr. Kaplan’s statement that I don’t know what I’m talking about. All he is doing is quoting a statement I made.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:42 amFurther, if you would like to make the attempt that Mr. Kaplan provides facts by stating: “As the mayor of New York City on Sept. 11, 2001, he may have lived more intimately with the consequences of terrorism, but this has no bearing on his inexperience or his scant insight in the realm of foreign policy. He is, in fact, that most dangerous would-be world leader: a man who doesn’t seem to know how much he doesn’t know.” That is simply an opinion and bears no facts to his initial claim. Thus, I again ask: “I’m just curious as to how Fred Kaplin knows what Giuliani knows?” Further, let me ask you this: Which of the democrat nominees would know more about terrorism than the man who was the mayor of the town that had the largest terrorist attack in our nations history? I’m not saying because of that horrible experience he knows everything about terrorism. I simply am saying that John Kerry, Obama and Hillary certainly have never had to deal with a situation such as that in their lives.
JPark,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 amTancredo is a race traitor.
He’s sicilian.
Sicilan are Latin.
Sicily was a province of Aragon, then Spain for over 700 years.
That means he has spanish blood.
Heck he l;ooks Spanish, he’s not exactly White.
By him hating Mexicans he hates his own cousins.
Hence he’s a race traitor!
*I meant John Edwards, not John Kerry.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:45 amWayne,
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:46 am“Thank you. I hope it catches on before the next election. And I meant it to apply to Congress, too.”
Agreed it time reasonable people on the Right and Left unite to solve our countries problem and get beyond the Right/Left paradigm!
How about the america Patriotic Party!
Bloomberg has the money to build an organization!
It’s time to end the Republicat one party state!
So, Joker, if there were a bunch of whiteys around. Would you feel good?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:52 amAKA Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
Born: 28-May-1944
Birthplace: New York City
Gender: Male
Religion: Roman Catholic
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Cross-dresser
Occupation: Politician
Party Affiliation: Republican/Neo-Conservative
Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Mayor of New York City, 1994-2001
Rudy Giuliani’s father was a plumber and bartender who had been arrested for petty crimes before marriage straightened him out. His mother was a bookkeeper who had a keen interest in the news, reading up to half a dozen newspapers daily. As a boy, young Giuliani considered becoming a priest, but instead studied law. He first gained national prominence as a U.S. Attorney, prosecuting the insider trading trials of Ivan Boesky and Michael Milken and other high-profile cases. In one of his most infamous assignments, Giuliani argued in an immigration case — preposterously but successfully — that repression in Haiti “simply does not exist”, and that there had been “no political repression” in Haiti under President Jean-Claude Duvalier.
As U.S. Attorney, he oversaw more than 4,000 convictions, enabling him to run for mayor as the candidate who’d be “tough on crime”. He defeated David Dinkins in the elections of 1993, and as mayor immediately pursued aggressive policies against the kind of street crime New York had become famous for. Giuliani backed the police ferociously, and in what had been a crime-infested metropolis, it became reasonably safe to ride the subway or stroll city parks. Fewer tourists returned to their hometowns with tales of being mugged, and more left with pleasant memories.
Of course, police crackdowns have certain distasteful side effects, and blacks and other minorities often spoke of feeling harassed, “presumed guilty”. Many complained that Giuliani’s gung-ho support for the police department led to an atmosphere where troubled cops knew they could get away with almost anything. Under Giuliani’s administration, some of the city’s widely-reported cases of police brutality included the death of Amadou Diallo, a black, unarmed man walking near his apartment who was shot 19 times by four plainclothes cops, and the Duvalier-esque beating and plunger-rape of Abner Louima, a Haitian immigrant. When a 16-year-old black teenager was shot and wounded by police as he was walking home from the city’s “midnight basketball” games (a program designed to keep kids out of trouble), Giuliani’s public response was that the boy “should have been home at that hour”.
Street artists and political protesters also complained of police harassment. Almost 70,000 people filed lawsuits against New York Police during Giuliani’s two terms as mayor, claiming they were strip-searched for minor offences like jaywalking and fare-dodging. Giuliani’s zero-tolerance for scum saw the traditional porn shops and lap dancers of Times Square redeveloped away, and replaced by family-friendly stores and theaters, including the MTV studios and an enormous Disney store and cinema. While championing a voucher system as an alternative to public education, Giuliani described New York’s schools as “dysfunctional”, “just plain terrible”, and said “the whole system should be blown up”.
When the World Trade Center was hit by hijacked jets on September 11, Giuliani rushed to Ground Zero — because, even after the World Trade Center was first struck by terrorists in 1993, he had placed the city’s terrorist response center inside the WTC. That decision undoubtedly cost lives on 9/11, but Giuliani’s take-charge and take-no-crap demeanor was exactly what most New Yorkers wanted in the aftermath of disaster, and across the nation, millions saw Giuliani’s stalwart response as genuine leadership. He was named Time’s Person of the Year for 2001, dubbed “America’s Mayor” by the media, and given an honorary knighthood by Queen Elizabeth II in 2002.
In October 2001, as anthrax-by-mail subjected New York to further drama, Giuliani publicly urged all New Yorkers to get flu shots. Flu symptoms are similar to early anthrax symptoms, so Giuliani’s reasoning was that minimizing the flu would lead to less confusion and less public panic. But he neglected to run the idea past health experts, who pointed out that there’s nowhere near enough flu vaccine for everyone in New York.
Giuliani’s first marriage was to his second cousin, Regina Peruggi. They were married for 14 years, before Giuliani had their marriage annulled by the Catholic church. His second marriage was to Donna Hanover, a reporter and sometimes soap-opera actress. Havover was the city’s First Lady while Giuliani was mayor, but she stayed farther and farther out of the public spotlight as Giuliani was widely whispered to be swiving his press secretary, Cristyne Lategano. After Lategano left City Hall, Giuliani took up with a divorced nurse, Judith Nathan, paying her $10,000 per month as his speechwriter. Never one for subtlety, Giuliani and Nathan marched side-by-side in the St. Patrick’s Day parade, where the city’s mayor traditionally walks with his wife.
Term limits prevented Giuliani from seeking a third term as mayor in 2001. He was expected to run for the Senate against Hillary Clinton, but he backed out of the race to undergo prostate surgery. And also, perhaps not coincidentally, because his marital infidelities were all over the newspapers around that time. Shortly after Giuliani left office, he filed for divorce, accusing Hanover of “cruel and inhuman treatment.” In her response, Hanover blamed the ex-mayor’s “open and notorious adultery.” When their divorce was finalized, she got a million dollars a year in alimony. In May of 2003, Giuliani returned to Gracie Mansion, the official residence of New York’s mayor, for a lavish ceremony to marry his former paramour, Judith Nathan. The city’s new mayor, Michael Bloomberg, officiated.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:53 amComment by Scott — June 22, 2007 @ 12:42 am
Well, why don’t we just agree that Mr. Kaplan should have chosen his words more carfully, and not stated an opinion as a fact (as many right-wing TV and radio personalities do to a much, much greater extent than the liberal ones.)
Perhaps Mr. Kaplan should have left that first sentence out and started with the next one. Then, I think it would have been okay.
BTW, many of us who live in New York believe that Giuliani doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but that comes from years of listening to him. He told Pres Bush that Bernie Kerik would make a good head of Homeland Security. A corrupt, immoral, insensitive one, maybe, but a “good” one? Personally I didn’t think he knew what he was talking about.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:55 am(as many right-wing TV and radio personalities do to a much, much greater extent than the liberal ones.)
Objection your honor: Projecting :)
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:59 amFOX news,
You’re doing great! Keep on telling the world about the real “America’s Mayor”!
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:00 amComment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 12:59 am
You forget, I know what you’re up to. ;)
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:01 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 22, 2007 @ 1:01 am
hehe
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 amWho told me I was apologizing? I don’t remember doing that tonight.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:11 amWho told me I was apologizing? I don’t remember doing that tonight.
Comment by JPark — June 22, 2007 @ 1:11 am
I did, and being the bigger man, I accepted it. :D
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 amLOL, Wayne, I apologize to you. That is cool :)
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:22 amWayne, I am pretty sure I didn’t apologize to Joker, though. I don’t much like aholes.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:27 amThey sure don’t smell like flowers.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:35 amLOL, Wayne, I don’t think I offended you!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:36 amThe Rise Of The Fourth Reich:
Everyone likes to say, “Hitler did this”, and, “Hitler did that”. But the truth is Hitler did very little. He was a world class tyrant, but the evil actually done by the Third Reich, from the death camps to WW2 was all done by German citizens who were afraid to question if what they were told by their government was the truth or not, and who because they did not want to admit to themselves that they were afraid to question the government, refused to see the truth behind the Reichstag Fire, refused to see the invasion by Poland was a staged fake, and followed Hitler into national disaster.
The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn’t wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.
But so trapped are Americans by their belief in their own bravery that they will themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they can nod in agreement with the government while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoid the one situation which most requires real courage; to stand up to the government’s lies and deceptions. The vast majority of the American people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to the government’s deceptions, never question why Afghanistan would have done something so stupid as to attack the United States, and as a result, Americans find themselves in a war.
Tyrants become obvious only when looking back, after what they have done becomes known. The German people did not stand up to Hitler because their media betrayed them, just as the American media is betraying the American people by willingly, voluntarily, even proudly, abandoning its traditional role as watchdog against government abuse.
It is the very nature of power that it attracts the sort of people who should not have it. The United States, as the world’s last superpower, is a prize that attracts men and women willing to do absolutely anything to win that power, and hence are also willing to do absolutely anything with that power once they have it. If one thinks about it long enough, one will realize that all tyrants, past and most especially present, MUST use deception on their population to initiate a war. No citizen of a modern industrialized nation will send their children off to die in a war to grab another nation’s resources and assets, yet resources and assets are what all wars are fought over. The nation that wishes to initiate a war of conquest must create the illusion of an attack or a threat to start a war, and must always give their population of cowards an excuse never to question that carefully crafted illusion.
It is naive, not to mention racist to assume that tyrants appear only in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply because we’re Americans. America has escaped the clutches of a dictatorship thus far only through the efforts of those citizens who, unlike the Germans of the 1930s, have the moral courage to stand up and point out where the government is lying to the people.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:43 amUnless more Americans are willing to have that kind of individual courage, then future generations may well look back on the American people with the same harshness of judgement with which we look back on the 1930s Germans.
LOL, Wayne, I don’t think I offended you!!!!
Comment by JPark — June 22, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Not at all, my friend. Like most people who post seriously here, I like having my opinions validated. But it does frighten me sometimes when I see who does agree with me. I start to wonder what else I have in common with them. (Such as the fact that both Karl Rove and I are intelligent, overweight and bespectacled just gives me the willies. But at least I am a human being. So I got that going for me. Which is nice.)
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:50 amWhich is nice.
lol. I remeber that one.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:08 amsorry should have read…
Gunga Gunga Galunga
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:09 amGetting back on track here, Gulianni put the NY Emergency Command Center in the 12th floor of 7 World Trade. Many people, myself among them, questioned why you’d put an Emergency Command Center on the 12th floor of Any building, much less one right next to 1 World Trade. We were told to shut up, the mayor and his experts knew what he was doing. For those of you who don’t remember, 7 World collapsed a few hours after 2 and 1 World did. And does anybody out there either know or have a link to why that building Really fell down?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmMy point in this post is simple. A man who put a vital command center 12 floors up in a building now wants to run the country. He was pig headed then and he hasn’t changed.