U.S. special ops forces on American soil.
U.S. special ops forces on American soil.
“The U.S. military command in charge of protecting the homeland asked the Pentagon earlier this year for a contingent of special operations officers to help with domestic anti-terrorism missions.”
Military sources told The Examiner that U.S. Northern Command, established at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado in 2002, requested its own special operations command similar to ones assigned to overseas war-fighting commands, such as U.S. Central Command.
The request was approved six months ago by the then-commander of NorthCom, Adm. Timothy Keating, who has since moved to U.S. Pacific Command.
Keating’s decision, which “raised some eyebrows because of the sensitivity of deploying commandos domestically,” is now being reviewed by the new NorthCom commander, Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart.
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That’s what the FBI is for. Personally, I suspect this is a funding grab.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:38 pmBeing an Air Force general, Renaurt will promptly dismiss the need for Special Forces operations on American soil, and redirect the funding towards strategic bombing as a domestic counter-terror tool.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:40 pmFor the record, the military should perform illegal police functions on American soil. We are at war after all. It is about protecting the country and spying on political enemies. These things must be done!!!
The president is just trying to protect you. Weher would you be without him or his fatherly instincts?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:41 pmTP, your link is messed up.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:42 pmI support this plan. We are, after all, our own worst enemy. I can only hope that these brave commandos will quickly liberate the United States of America from the yoke of tyranny.
I’m'a stock up on flowers and tiramisu just in case…
June 21st, 2007 at 12:46 pmIf you think that these guys are goign to be here to PROTECT you, think again! They will be needed when Martial Law hits, and that could be just one year away.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:46 pmTP: Check out attempts by the administration to weaken Posse Comitatus in the wake of the fallout from Katrina ,and the trial balloons floated in 04-05 over using the military to quarantine areas of HN51 outbreak.
This is part and parcel of an overall effort by the administration to subject American civil society to military control.
There is much more to this story and much of it relates to the impetus for creating NORTHCOM and its writ of authority to conduct military operations within the United States.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:51 pmCORRECT LINK:
http://www.examiner.com/ a-790871~Military_reviews_placing_special_ops_on_U_S__soil.html
June 21st, 2007 at 12:52 pmYah, what a stupid idea! Why would anyone want to use the best trained and equipped people in anti-terrorism in..uh..anti-terrorism operations?
What the flock is wrong with these people? Dont they know that a sensitive diversity professor would be a better option for dealing with terrorists? Good gravy, its time to abolish the military and allow the Duke 88 to take over protection of this country.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:54 pm#8 - Barry
Thanks for the link!
June 21st, 2007 at 12:56 pm“Yah, what a stupid idea! Why would anyone want to use the best trained and equipped people in anti-terrorism in..uh..anti-terrorism operations?”
That’s because it’s illegal!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
June 21st, 2007 at 12:57 pmThis is part and parcel of an overall effort by the administration to subject American civil society to military control.
Cue the scary music. Ok everyone, I want you to dust-off that copy of “V for Vendetta” and prepare to fight back! The tanks are coming any day now and we MUST be ready.
Now where the schmeck did I leave my mask and cape?
June 21st, 2007 at 12:58 pmYah, what a stupid idea! Why would anyone want to use the best trained and equipped people in anti-terrorism in..uh..anti-terrorism operations?
Comment by Little Brown Person — June 21, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
You have a good point. Remember the way they caught Usama bin Laden? That was awesome.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:58 pmHaving “special ops forces” on US soil is concerning. We have the police, sheriff’s deprtments, Homeland Security, and the FBI, for heaven’s sake.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:59 pmZooey,
Try this link:
http://www.examiner.com/ a-790871~Military_reviews_placing_special_ops_on_U_S__soil.html
June 21st, 2007 at 1:00 pmI guess it depends if you consider terrorism incidents law enforcement or war. I think of it as war, but then again I dont trust the Oregon State Patrol to stop the likes of AQ.
Gotta go. Peace.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:00 pm“The U.S. military command in charge of protecting the homeland asked the Pentagon earlier this year for a contingent of special operations officers to help with domestic anti-terrorism missions.â€
A ++ good way to say…
“The Gestapo (in charge of protecting the Fatherland) asked Hitler earlier this year for a contingent of special SS officers to help with domestic anti-terrorism missions.â€
June 21st, 2007 at 1:03 pmLBP - I hear the 1812 Overture buidling. Many of us believe that there will be a ‘terrorist attack’ an attempt to cancel elections and declare martial law before November 2008. The rot and corruption of BushCo is so pervasive, so much money has been stolen that they cannot leave in 2009 and avoid prosecution for their crimes. I only hope that the honorable men and women in the military are true to their oath in a way that the criminals in the Executive branch have not been.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:04 pmUsing military on US citizens WAS illegal before the John Warner act gutted Posse Comatatus ( I screamed on TP about this back when it was “privately” signed by Bush )
June 21st, 2007 at 1:06 pmAnti terror operations here? I guess they’ll be going after the gays, environmentalists and Quakers.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:06 pm“I guess it depends if you consider terrorism incidents law enforcement or war. I think of it as war, but then again I dont trust the Oregon State Patrol to stop the likes of AQ.”
Every terrorist plot disrupted in the US since 9/11 has been broken up by the FBI and local law enforcement.
We don’t need to turn the country into a military dictatorship because you can’t stop wetting the bed.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:10 pmpowkat #18.
I have little hope that the military will adhere to their oath. Look at what happened in New Orleans when guns were confiscated from law abiding citizens by military personnel. No one, either civilian of military were prosecuted. The precedent has been set.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:11 pmIt seems the legions have finally crossed the Rubicon.
The Republic is dead, long live the Republic.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:12 pmHaving “special ops forces†on US soil is concerning.
Comment by Zooey
It is> personal experience, special ops are trained to KILL, not consider the rights of citizens.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:14 pmThey are NOT police.
It is> personal experience, special ops are trained to KILL, not consider the rights of citizens.
They are NOT police.
Comment by Wayne
That’s my concern, Wayne. And WHO, exactly, are they looking at as potential “domestic terrorists?”
June 21st, 2007 at 1:18 pmI guess it depends if you consider terrorism incidents law enforcement or war. I think of it as war, but then again I dont trust the Oregon State Patrol to stop the likes of AQ.
Comment by Little Brown Person
Look at it this way:
June 21st, 2007 at 1:24 pmIf they suspect for some reason YOU ( whether or not you are ) are a terrorist, the police/FBI will arrest you.
Special Forces ( Rangers, Seals, Green Beret ) will KILL YOU.
their here for the next false flag attack.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pmThat’s my concern, Wayne. And WHO, exactly, are they looking at as potential “domestic terrorists?â€
Comment by Zooey
Since they have the passifist Quakers being watched, it is potentually anyone who speaks out against the Administration
June 21st, 2007 at 1:28 pmI guess it depends if you consider terrorism incidents law enforcement or war. I think of it as war, but then again I dont trust the Oregon State Patrol to stop the likes of AQ.
Gotta go. Peace.
Comment by Little Brown Person — June 21, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
There exist already a lot of elite groups in the police force of the USA, FBI and Homeland Security. And, in the hypothetical case of a terrorist moving inside the USA, you can’t dismiss the possibility of a state patrol cop discovering a terrorist while, say, transporting explosives. No amount of military can cover entirely the USA.
And, to stop a terrorist organization, you need investigators, not simply bomb everything left and right, at least to define the target.
And, as I said, you have both investigators and elite forces in your civil society. The FBI has had a department to investigate terrorism in the USA forever. These are guys with a physical training and, surprise, a mind to know when to shoot or when to spy on suspects to discover the whole net.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:28 pmSince they have the passifist Quakers being watched, it is potentually anyone who speaks out against the Administration
Comment by Wayne
I think we’re close to the tipping point in this country.
Fascist state or revolution.
Wayne, were you in Special Ops?
June 21st, 2007 at 1:33 pmWayne,
You need to get to Rambo style mentality of what Special Forces’ mission is out of your head. Direct action is only one if there many missions which include: “unconventional warfare, foreign internal defense, special reconnaissance, direct action, combatting terrorism, counter-proliferation, and information operations. Other duties include coalition warfare and support, combat search and rescue (CSAR), security assistance, peacekeeping, humanitarian assistance, humanitarian de-mining and counter-drug operations”. And since we are on the topic of troops on our soil, I do remember a line in the oath I took when I joined the Army almost 6 years ago which said “…support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC…” I think everyone is jumping to conclsuions that because the Special Forces are being mention in connections with domestic terrorism, that one day a couple of them will be kicking down your door.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:34 pmWould “domestic terrorists” be the same thing as “Enemy Combantats”? Just remember we too can be labeled an enemy combatant now that they have changed things. Would our own army be used against US Citizens who are questioning or are seen as a threat to this Administration? This is really scary.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:35 pm>> For the record,
>> Comment by Jake
Hey Jake, what’s with you and your record? Truly bizarre. You fancy you are here for official business or something?
June 21st, 2007 at 1:40 pmYou need to get to Rambo style mentality of what Special Forces’ mission is out of your head. — Chris
I was in 82nd Airborne, stationed at Fort Brag. 9 Years.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:50 pmSpecial Weapons Seargent.
Don’t tell me what Special Forces do Dude.
I know, been there, done that.
JG sez:
The Patriot Act defines a “domestic terrorist” as someone who commits “acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws…[and] that appear to be intended…to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion.”
In other words, anyone attending a demonstration, even a peaceful one, could be labeled such.
In contrast, the Patriot Act defines an “enemy combatant” as anyone who may have violated any of the provisions of section 802 (the definition of “domestic terrorist” outlined above).
In other words, we’re all “enemy combatants” right now, and have no rights in the eyes of the Chimperor.
Democracy is not dying…it’s dead and buried.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:53 pmChris sez:
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF WHICH is ILLEGAL under Posse Comitatus.
June 21st, 2007 at 1:55 pmFolks, this give me a feeling of foreboding. Special ops in the US?
June 21st, 2007 at 1:57 pmWho will they be “checking?” Protestors? Liberals?
A step in the direction of martial law in the future.
We will see the Blackwater guys, well trained, well armed, and not accustomed to customary supervision.
We have seen Bush give himself super powers in the legal sense when it comes to anything he declares to be a threat to the US - he will be totally in charge of all branches of government, and the supreme leader in a time of crisis, with everyone answering to him and he answering to no one.
His plan is to get his military police in place, and declare himself the leader who cannot be removed from office.
All he needs to do is have another Maine, or Gulf of Tonkin, or invade Iran to provoke retaliation, or have Israel spark a war, and he will have fulfilled his dream.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF WHICH is ILLEGAL under Posse Comitatus.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Posse Comatatus was gutted by Public Law 109-364, or the “John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007″ by the 109th.
June 21st, 2007 at 2:14 pmEven before Posse Comitatus was nullified, Special Forces and Delta Force personnel were in on the Waco massacre. I suspect they were practicing. If you haven’t seen the documentary “Waco: Rules of Engagement,” I most strongly suggest you do. It puts the above statements into color and 3D.
June 21st, 2007 at 2:45 pmEven before Posse Comitatus was nullified, Special Forces and Delta Force personnel were in on the Waco massacre.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow
They were there as advisors only.
June 21st, 2007 at 2:56 pmThey took no action, as per law.
That was all FBI and local law enforcement.
#9 - I guess you missed the part about how these troops were needed for “domestic anti-terrorism missions”. I read that to mean US. The Bush administration considers people like myself to be a terrorist because I oppose the illegal occupation of Iraq. It’s just a matter of time before these special ops guys start rounding up people in this country and putting them into those “detainment facilities” that were built by Haliburton. Watch our folks, we are in for a very scary ride.
June 21st, 2007 at 3:21 pmThe next thing we will see is armed troops standing on our street corners - for our safety- of course.
Bush already has it set up to take over all branches of the federal government. He did it earlier this year, with no announcement to the press (or at least no aknowledgment from them that he did it). Sooner or later, either through a legitiment terrorist orginization, or through one of the dark lords minions, an attack will be staged on American soil. When that happens, Bullshit will disband the Congress and the Judiciary and make himself the defacto dictator of the US. Anybody with a bit of common sence can see it coming from a mile away. Why do you think they gutted posse comitatus, nullified habeas corpus and signed secret legislation to take over the government? Do you really think he went through all that trouble for nothing?
June 21st, 2007 at 5:35 pmIt is all too easy to see why Dano believes what he/she does. It simply does look like the Bushies are setting us up for a dictatorship. And they could get away with it because so many people simply believe that they couldn’t get away with it. Oh yes, they are bad, incompetent, etc. etc. but they would NEVER do such a thing. It’s un-American and the President of the United States would NEVER be un-American. Just like he would never take us to war based on a pack of lies, right?
June 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pmWell, he won’t get away with it, even if that is his plan, which it may well be. He won’t get away with it because the American people don’t cotton to dictators. And, in the end, we still DO have the power - and if he believes we won’t exercise that power he is as wrong as he has been about everything else. Do not despair, Dano.
June 21st, 2007 at 7:37 pm
And the founding fathers were afraid of standing armies. Imagine their righteous anger at this fascist idea.
June 21st, 2007 at 8:15 pmAnybody who thinks they would be there to protect American citizens is nuttier than the loons who voted for Bush.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:24 amTime to get out of the country is fast running out…
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 amLBP, feel free to clock out now. It’s lunch time @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
A two (or ten) martini lunch may lend some humor to the verbal vomit you so effortlessly spew forth.
toasterhead rocks!
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:19 pmThe military involvement in domestic law enforcement is just a prelude to the outsource contracting of such activities to mercenary forces the likes of Blackwater and KBR. The difference being that they will cost a lot more, not be accountable to American law and will be both run and staffed by people who like to kill for money.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:23 pm