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	<title>Comments on: Health Insurance Industry, Big Pharmaceuticals Launch Michael Moore Smear Campaign</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Kramer - Mediatorguy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3909978</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Kramer - Mediatorguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moore&#039;s film exposes a system devised by the kind of person I call a &quot;predatory leader&quot;. When someone takes action that will benefit them at the expense to others or while the action causes harm to others, that is a predatory action. 

A predatory leader (in some cases, a sociopath) is a person who will do absolutely anything to gain power and control over others. To become a leader of an industry requires major efforts to get the results that will win them a position of power and profit. A sociopath has no conscience, therefore has no personal constraint against doing whatever it takes to achieve his goals. A person of conscience seeking advancement in the same organization will not stand a chance competing against the sociopath. 

Our HMO system is designed to do one thing - deliver large profits to the owners/shareholders of the companies. By delivering minimal service or denying service to the paying customers, the profits are larger. These health companies are not run by people interested in helping heal people in need. Every expectation of their employees is about delivering profit under the guise of providing service. This is a system run by predatory leaders. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moore&#8217;s film exposes a system devised by the kind of person I call a &#8220;predatory leader&#8221;. When someone takes action that will benefit them at the expense to others or while the action causes harm to others, that is a predatory action. </p>
<p>A predatory leader (in some cases, a sociopath) is a person who will do absolutely anything to gain power and control over others. To become a leader of an industry requires major efforts to get the results that will win them a position of power and profit. A sociopath has no conscience, therefore has no personal constraint against doing whatever it takes to achieve his goals. A person of conscience seeking advancement in the same organization will not stand a chance competing against the sociopath. </p>
<p>Our HMO system is designed to do one thing &#8211; deliver large profits to the owners/shareholders of the companies. By delivering minimal service or denying service to the paying customers, the profits are larger. These health companies are not run by people interested in helping heal people in need. Every expectation of their employees is about delivering profit under the guise of providing service. This is a system run by predatory leaders. </p>
<p>Mediatorguy<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3909978', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Granny Gail</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3904148</link>
		<dc:creator>Granny Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be with Kaiser and then I was with Blue Cross.
Now I am with Medicare, which is essentially national health care for seniors.
Now I can CHOOSE my doctors and not be limited to anybody&#039;s list.
Are there things I would change about Medicare? Sure. But basically it works WAY BETTER than the private insurance system.

When I had Blue Cross HMO I was limited to the doctors at two local clinics, including Stanford Clinic. Sounds impressive, but
I have gotten BETTER care by being able to pick doctors since I got on Medicare. 

Since I got Medicare I got my thyroid cancer diagnosed after the docs on the Blue Cross list missed it. Got the source of my breathing problem diagnosed and greatly improved, after the HMO specialists were no help at all. 

Comparing national health care to the DMV is misleading since you will be able to see the same doctors and go to the same hospitals you do now.

Besides,  I have no problem with the DMV. Works fine--WAY better than the privately owned telephone company.

Granny Gail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be with Kaiser and then I was with Blue Cross.<br />
Now I am with Medicare, which is essentially national health care for seniors.<br />
Now I can CHOOSE my doctors and not be limited to anybody&#8217;s list.<br />
Are there things I would change about Medicare? Sure. But basically it works WAY BETTER than the private insurance system.</p>
<p>When I had Blue Cross HMO I was limited to the doctors at two local clinics, including Stanford Clinic. Sounds impressive, but<br />
I have gotten BETTER care by being able to pick doctors since I got on Medicare. </p>
<p>Since I got Medicare I got my thyroid cancer diagnosed after the docs on the Blue Cross list missed it. Got the source of my breathing problem diagnosed and greatly improved, after the HMO specialists were no help at all. </p>
<p>Comparing national health care to the DMV is misleading since you will be able to see the same doctors and go to the same hospitals you do now.</p>
<p>Besides,  I have no problem with the DMV. Works fine&#8211;WAY better than the privately owned telephone company.</p>
<p>Granny Gail<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3904148', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3899782</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sicko is an enlightening and thought provoking film! In it, Moore does a fantastic job of exposing the shortcomings and downright failures of our system...
But did you know that there is already a Bill in the House that proposes a solution? Its called HR676: National Health Insurance Act and 70+ Reps have already signed on to it!
Go here: http://hr676.theunderrepresented.com/ to ask your rep to support this revolutionary legislation!
HR676 may not be the ultimate final answer to this massive problem, but we need to push Congress to continue the dialogue on this issue now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sicko is an enlightening and thought provoking film! In it, Moore does a fantastic job of exposing the shortcomings and downright failures of our system&#8230;<br />
But did you know that there is already a Bill in the House that proposes a solution? Its called HR676: National Health Insurance Act and 70+ Reps have already signed on to it!<br />
Go here: <a href="http://hr676.theunderrepresented.com/" rel="nofollow">http://hr676.theunderrepresented.com/</a> to ask your rep to support this revolutionary legislation!<br />
HR676 may not be the ultimate final answer to this massive problem, but we need to push Congress to continue the dialogue on this issue now!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3899782', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3899140</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please excuse my typo in the previous post.  The book is &quot;How Health Care in America became.....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please excuse my typo in the previous post.  The book is &#8220;How Health Care in America became&#8230;..&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3899140', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3899138</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who wants to know moer of the truth behind the mess we&#039;re in should read &quot;Critical Condition: How Health Care in American Became Big Business and Bad Medicine&quot; by Donald Steele and James Bartlett.  Dry reading but an eye opener.   Moore&#039;s film is a believable documentary to anyone who has ever experienced a serious illness or loss of health insurance.  When my health insurance premium went to $650 under COBRA, I shopped for a better rate.  One company turned me down because of pre-existing conditions.  I decreased my coverage with my insurer and am saving $200 per month on the premium.  HOWEVER, if I had not transferred my coverage within 60 days of ending the COBRA coverage, my premium would now be over $700 a month!  And my insurer is very active in sponsoring an ice-skating rink, fireworks, theatre, etc. in Philadelphia.  It&#039;s executives earn huge salaries.  About 30 years ago, this insurer had administrative overhead costs of about 3%...I wonder what it is now!  I resent my premium dollars going to support an ice rink, etc.   Excess dollars should be returned to the subscribers in form of reduced premiums!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who wants to know moer of the truth behind the mess we&#8217;re in should read &#8220;Critical Condition: How Health Care in American Became Big Business and Bad Medicine&#8221; by Donald Steele and James Bartlett.  Dry reading but an eye opener.   Moore&#8217;s film is a believable documentary to anyone who has ever experienced a serious illness or loss of health insurance.  When my health insurance premium went to $650 under COBRA, I shopped for a better rate.  One company turned me down because of pre-existing conditions.  I decreased my coverage with my insurer and am saving $200 per month on the premium.  HOWEVER, if I had not transferred my coverage within 60 days of ending the COBRA coverage, my premium would now be over $700 a month!  And my insurer is very active in sponsoring an ice-skating rink, fireworks, theatre, etc. in Philadelphia.  It&#8217;s executives earn huge salaries.  About 30 years ago, this insurer had administrative overhead costs of about 3%&#8230;I wonder what it is now!  I resent my premium dollars going to support an ice rink, etc.   Excess dollars should be returned to the subscribers in form of reduced premiums!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3899138', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dilberto</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3895638</link>
		<dc:creator>Dilberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hats-off, to Michael Moore and SiCKO. The USA is the richest country in the free world, because of all the taxes the MAJORITY MIDDLE CLASS has to pay. Through charitable contributions, the wealthy pay virtually no tax. Corporations get huge tax breaks, credits, etc. from hiring minorities, and encouraging growth. They pay proportionately lower taxes than entire families! And for some of us who pay for worthless HMO coverage- stop wasting your money! So much red tape is involved, trying to cover as much as a broken toe. This is absurd. We are all getting ripped-off BLIND. Bottom-line is if we pay taxes, we should receive coverage provided by the government. I also agree government MUST be overhauled first, before this can ever happen. If we don&#039;t do that- then we are in for MORE of a shock, if government allows free coverage. I am hoping this film will ignite a movement of revolutionary proportions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hats-off, to Michael Moore and SiCKO. The USA is the richest country in the free world, because of all the taxes the MAJORITY MIDDLE CLASS has to pay. Through charitable contributions, the wealthy pay virtually no tax. Corporations get huge tax breaks, credits, etc. from hiring minorities, and encouraging growth. They pay proportionately lower taxes than entire families! And for some of us who pay for worthless HMO coverage- stop wasting your money! So much red tape is involved, trying to cover as much as a broken toe. This is absurd. We are all getting ripped-off BLIND. Bottom-line is if we pay taxes, we should receive coverage provided by the government. I also agree government MUST be overhauled first, before this can ever happen. If we don&#8217;t do that- then we are in for MORE of a shock, if government allows free coverage. I am hoping this film will ignite a movement of revolutionary proportions!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3895638', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: friend of voltaire</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3895000</link>
		<dc:creator>friend of voltaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Eric: 
Should quoting De Toqueville and Churchill awe us into agreement with you? Churchill was a warmongering Tory of aristocratic origin (no wonder he hated socialism!) who never met a war he didn&#039;t like, and was a ruthless imperialist who used poison gas, long before Saddam, against the Kurds. Only white Europeans, apparently, deserve democracy, and only insofar as the ruling elites decide it is OK. De Toqueville&#039;s study of Democracy in America, which I&#039;ve read in the original, is a great work, and not always flattering to us. But Tocqueville also supported black slavery at a time when it was already being seriously questioned and indeed moving toward abolition grace Ã  Wilberforce in England. Tocquevill approved of that abolition, but  later service to French colonialism, including slavery, demonstrates that he is hardly an infallible Democrat, whatever he might self-proclaim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Eric:<br />
Should quoting De Toqueville and Churchill awe us into agreement with you? Churchill was a warmongering Tory of aristocratic origin (no wonder he hated socialism!) who never met a war he didn&#8217;t like, and was a ruthless imperialist who used poison gas, long before Saddam, against the Kurds. Only white Europeans, apparently, deserve democracy, and only insofar as the ruling elites decide it is OK. De Toqueville&#8217;s study of Democracy in America, which I&#8217;ve read in the original, is a great work, and not always flattering to us. But Tocqueville also supported black slavery at a time when it was already being seriously questioned and indeed moving toward abolition grace Ã  Wilberforce in England. Tocquevill approved of that abolition, but  later service to French colonialism, including slavery, demonstrates that he is hardly an infallible Democrat, whatever he might self-proclaim.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3895000', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: theswan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3890250</link>
		<dc:creator>theswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael is on top of this one.  Mr Brilliant out foxess the fox.  And people will hear.  And it will be good!  
Just why do they(the pharm/insurers) dislike this American sooo much?  Is it because he commands the truth?  
This is refreshing!
May the youngsters see this one.  And I as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael is on top of this one.  Mr Brilliant out foxess the fox.  And people will hear.  And it will be good!<br />
Just why do they(the pharm/insurers) dislike this American sooo much?  Is it because he commands the truth?<br />
This is refreshing!<br />
May the youngsters see this one.  And I as well.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3890250', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mparker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3882938</link>
		<dc:creator>mparker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The V.A works,

And that&#039;s why Bush and his cronies had to destroy it.

It is the Neocon philosophy that Government Dosen&#039;t Work.

They have done their best every day to make sure everything they do makes things worse for the average citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The V.A works,</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why Bush and his cronies had to destroy it.</p>
<p>It is the Neocon philosophy that Government Dosen&#8217;t Work.</p>
<p>They have done their best every day to make sure everything they do makes things worse for the average citizen.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882938', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3882927</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals constantly whine about  unnecessary war, dependence on foreign oil, global warming, outsourcing of jobs, eroding civil liberties, politically motivated firings in the Justice Department, etc. When are they going take a serious look at the true villain? What about all the chaos and destruction wreaked by Michael Moore? Canâ€™t they at least get it through their thick heads that the guy is FAT? Are they blind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals constantly whine about  unnecessary war, dependence on foreign oil, global warming, outsourcing of jobs, eroding civil liberties, politically motivated firings in the Justice Department, etc. When are they going take a serious look at the true villain? What about all the chaos and destruction wreaked by Michael Moore? Canâ€™t they at least get it through their thick heads that the guy is FAT? Are they blind?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882927', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3882702</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, but I live in Nordic and I think m12 is full of sh!t.

As is the NY Times article he posted for that matter...Norway isn&#039;t even part of the European Union, let alone Euro, yet they have the world&#039;s highest living standard. How do you rebuke *that*?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, but I live in Nordic and I think m12 is full of sh!t.</p>
<p>As is the NY Times article he posted for that matter&#8230;Norway isn&#8217;t even part of the European Union, let alone Euro, yet they have the world&#8217;s highest living standard. How do you rebuke *that*?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882702', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Boycottting Big Pharma</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3882494</link>
		<dc:creator>Boycottting Big Pharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the book &quot;The Body Hunters&quot; by Sonia Shah, with foreword by John Le Carre (author of &quot;The Constant Gardener&quot;.)

Here&#039;s a portion of the forward:
&quot; This book is an act of courage on the part of its author and its publisher. Ever since I wrote The Constant Gardener I have received approaches and sometimes complete typescripts, from investigative writers determined to lift the veil on the darker side of the world&#039;s most profitable  trade: the pharmaceutical industry... Yet not one of the authors, so far as I was aware, saw his project realized.  And if months later I delicately inquired why not, the answer, however wrapped up, was always the same: too risky.&quot;

The bottom line is this: the drug industry has no regard at all for either the poor 3rd world human beings they are currently testing 80% of their drugs on, has no interest in actually curing any of its many millions of end-users, or even in keeping them in general &quot;good health&quot;. 

There is very LITTLE, if any, INDUSTRY PROFIT in &quot;good health&quot;. If everyone enjoyed good health, then obviously doctors, specialists, hospitals and above all the drug industry which supplies them, would quickly be out of business... No demand? No supply. Everyone KNOWS ya gotta create a HIGH DEMAND for a product in order to SELL IT AT A GOOD PROFIT.

That&#039;s why it does everything in its power, and its power is ENORMOUS, to debunk health practitioners who for the most part are not trained in &quot;orthodox&quot; medical schools which are all endowed by Big Business and Big Pharma. (Big Pharma donates ZERO dollars to schools who train Natural Medicine Practitioners. And why would they?)

&quot;Alternative&quot; health practitioners are vilified as &quot;quacks&quot; by most allopathic physicians because they ESCHEW drugs &amp; surgery and instead tackle health issues at their ROOTS. They do not offer their patients chemical cocktails, but treat the whole patient, normally from the inside out with natural foods and vitamins and complete lifestyle or diet changes...

Parma drugs do nothing to &quot;cure&quot; common ailments like high blood pressure, high cholesterol, allergies and diseases caused by stress, improper diet &amp; not enough physical exercise. Drugs will &quot;suppress&quot; or temporarily alleviate symptoms, thus keeping the disease in &quot;check&quot; while allowing people to continue to LIVE with the disease but ignore the root causes of disease and thus they can blithely continue to &quot;enjoy&quot; the lifestyle/diet which created all this dis-ease. Enriching BIG PHARMA and the orthodox medical community in the process... &quot;Win-WIN&quot; situation!

CURING affluent North Americans of dis-ease (*including Cancer) is obviously VERY BAD BUSINESS. (*and where&#039;s the money in alleviating the suffering in 3rd world countries? These people dying of AIDS and PARASITIC DYSENTERY can&#039;t AFFORD the pricetag of Big Pharma drugs. They can&#039;t even afford ELECTRICITY!)

&quot;Controlling&quot; North American/ European (*read &quot;white people&#039;s) diseases indefinitely by prescribing &amp; selling millions of daily doses of high-priced pharmaceutical cocktails is a much more LUCRATIVE BUSINESS, and Big Pharma happily cuts every cooperative golfer on their private course a nice little piece of their big FAT American Pie...

With regard to &quot;modern medicine&quot;, just FOLLOW THE MONEY and see where it leads to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the book &#8220;The Body Hunters&#8221; by Sonia Shah, with foreword by John Le Carre (author of &#8220;The Constant Gardener&#8221;.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a portion of the forward:<br />
&#8221; This book is an act of courage on the part of its author and its publisher. Ever since I wrote The Constant Gardener I have received approaches and sometimes complete typescripts, from investigative writers determined to lift the veil on the darker side of the world&#8217;s most profitable  trade: the pharmaceutical industry&#8230; Yet not one of the authors, so far as I was aware, saw his project realized.  And if months later I delicately inquired why not, the answer, however wrapped up, was always the same: too risky.&#8221;</p>
<p>The bottom line is this: the drug industry has no regard at all for either the poor 3rd world human beings they are currently testing 80% of their drugs on, has no interest in actually curing any of its many millions of end-users, or even in keeping them in general &#8220;good health&#8221;. </p>
<p>There is very LITTLE, if any, INDUSTRY PROFIT in &#8220;good health&#8221;. If everyone enjoyed good health, then obviously doctors, specialists, hospitals and above all the drug industry which supplies them, would quickly be out of business&#8230; No demand? No supply. Everyone KNOWS ya gotta create a HIGH DEMAND for a product in order to SELL IT AT A GOOD PROFIT.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it does everything in its power, and its power is ENORMOUS, to debunk health practitioners who for the most part are not trained in &#8220;orthodox&#8221; medical schools which are all endowed by Big Business and Big Pharma. (Big Pharma donates ZERO dollars to schools who train Natural Medicine Practitioners. And why would they?)</p>
<p>&#8220;Alternative&#8221; health practitioners are vilified as &#8220;quacks&#8221; by most allopathic physicians because they ESCHEW drugs &amp; surgery and instead tackle health issues at their ROOTS. They do not offer their patients chemical cocktails, but treat the whole patient, normally from the inside out with natural foods and vitamins and complete lifestyle or diet changes&#8230;</p>
<p>Parma drugs do nothing to &#8220;cure&#8221; common ailments like high blood pressure, high cholesterol, allergies and diseases caused by stress, improper diet &amp; not enough physical exercise. Drugs will &#8220;suppress&#8221; or temporarily alleviate symptoms, thus keeping the disease in &#8220;check&#8221; while allowing people to continue to LIVE with the disease but ignore the root causes of disease and thus they can blithely continue to &#8220;enjoy&#8221; the lifestyle/diet which created all this dis-ease. Enriching BIG PHARMA and the orthodox medical community in the process&#8230; &#8220;Win-WIN&#8221; situation!</p>
<p>CURING affluent North Americans of dis-ease (*including Cancer) is obviously VERY BAD BUSINESS. (*and where&#8217;s the money in alleviating the suffering in 3rd world countries? These people dying of AIDS and PARASITIC DYSENTERY can&#8217;t AFFORD the pricetag of Big Pharma drugs. They can&#8217;t even afford ELECTRICITY!)</p>
<p>&#8220;Controlling&#8221; North American/ European (*read &#8220;white people&#8217;s) diseases indefinitely by prescribing &amp; selling millions of daily doses of high-priced pharmaceutical cocktails is a much more LUCRATIVE BUSINESS, and Big Pharma happily cuts every cooperative golfer on their private course a nice little piece of their big FAT American Pie&#8230;</p>
<p>With regard to &#8220;modern medicine&#8221;, just FOLLOW THE MONEY and see where it leads to&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882494', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3882318</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, just because organizations such as Cato receive funding from the insurance industry, it doesn&#039;t mean that their arguments should be dismissed out of hand. The Cato article &quot;Sicko or Wacko&quot; highlights the problems faced by the nationalized British and Canadian systems, and how Moore attempts to mislead the audience into believing that such problems are of no concern. While other industry-funded organizations may not take the balanced and nuanced approach that Cato takes, the points they make are still valid and should be considered in America&#039;s health care debate, and should not be brushed aside as a &quot;smear campaign.&quot;

However, it is simply unacceptable and immoral for America--the wealthiest nation in the history of the world--to not provide health care for all its citizens. The rest of the industrialized world does; we must do as well. What good human beings would we be if we sit back and allow the uninsured and underinsured to get sick and die in this supposedly great nation?

I agree with Moore and the rest of the single-payer advocates that health care is a human right, and must be provided to all people regardless of the circumstances, regardless of the cost. However, how we achieve universal health care as fast as possible is a very important debate, and all facets of the issue must be explored rationally before we reform our health care system to ensure that all Americans have health care and are treated fairly.

And that noble goal can only be frustrated by the emotionalist and populist rhetoric on either side of the health care debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, just because organizations such as Cato receive funding from the insurance industry, it doesn&#8217;t mean that their arguments should be dismissed out of hand. The Cato article &#8220;Sicko or Wacko&#8221; highlights the problems faced by the nationalized British and Canadian systems, and how Moore attempts to mislead the audience into believing that such problems are of no concern. While other industry-funded organizations may not take the balanced and nuanced approach that Cato takes, the points they make are still valid and should be considered in America&#8217;s health care debate, and should not be brushed aside as a &#8220;smear campaign.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, it is simply unacceptable and immoral for America&#8211;the wealthiest nation in the history of the world&#8211;to not provide health care for all its citizens. The rest of the industrialized world does; we must do as well. What good human beings would we be if we sit back and allow the uninsured and underinsured to get sick and die in this supposedly great nation?</p>
<p>I agree with Moore and the rest of the single-payer advocates that health care is a human right, and must be provided to all people regardless of the circumstances, regardless of the cost. However, how we achieve universal health care as fast as possible is a very important debate, and all facets of the issue must be explored rationally before we reform our health care system to ensure that all Americans have health care and are treated fairly.</p>
<p>And that noble goal can only be frustrated by the emotionalist and populist rhetoric on either side of the health care debate.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882318', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: VietVetAndTiredOut</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3882176</link>
		<dc:creator>VietVetAndTiredOut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day I was pointing out at the hospital where I work that we (the USA) is the only firstworld country that does not offer basic healthcare to all citizens.

I was roundly attacked for trying to spread commie-socalistic medicine. My fellow nurses went on at great lenght about how awful this would be.

Finally, I had to point out to them how ridiculous what they were saying was. We work in a Veteran&#039;s Admin hospital!! Virtually all of the nurses around the table were retired military &amp; got their, and their families, healthcare for free at this very VA hospital!!

If the military, and the subsequent VA, healthcare systems are not &#039;socailistic&#039; then the term has no meaning.

What they meant I guess, was that they did not want public healthcare for anyone else.

At least a couple could see that this was true. The rest just said &quot;that&#039;s not the same. We EARNED our healthcare by SERVING&quot;. But, what they earned is precisely a (quite inefficient) socailized healthcare system: a system that is ALWAYS there for them, as it should be for all citizens.

Apparently, it is difficult to be a &#039;conservative&#039;, and not, of necessity, be a hippocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day I was pointing out at the hospital where I work that we (the USA) is the only firstworld country that does not offer basic healthcare to all citizens.</p>
<p>I was roundly attacked for trying to spread commie-socalistic medicine. My fellow nurses went on at great lenght about how awful this would be.</p>
<p>Finally, I had to point out to them how ridiculous what they were saying was. We work in a Veteran&#8217;s Admin hospital!! Virtually all of the nurses around the table were retired military &amp; got their, and their families, healthcare for free at this very VA hospital!!</p>
<p>If the military, and the subsequent VA, healthcare systems are not &#8217;socailistic&#8217; then the term has no meaning.</p>
<p>What they meant I guess, was that they did not want public healthcare for anyone else.</p>
<p>At least a couple could see that this was true. The rest just said &#8220;that&#8217;s not the same. We EARNED our healthcare by SERVING&#8221;. But, what they earned is precisely a (quite inefficient) socailized healthcare system: a system that is ALWAYS there for them, as it should be for all citizens.</p>
<p>Apparently, it is difficult to be a &#8216;conservative&#8217;, and not, of necessity, be a hippocrite.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882176', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: theswan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3882002</link>
		<dc:creator>theswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micharl, we are all lovin lookin on while handle the biggies.  Right on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micharl, we are all lovin lookin on while handle the biggies.  Right on!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882002', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: m12</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3881261</link>
		<dc:creator>m12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Reading about the problems with the National Health Service in the UK and the universal health service in Canada, I just couldnâ€™t help wondering what an infusion of cash would do to the problems of long waits in those places? Say something along the lines of a couple of months of what it costs to continue the occupation in Iraq?&lt;/i&gt;

You want us to give cash to Canada?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Reading about the problems with the National Health Service in the UK and the universal health service in Canada, I just couldnâ€™t help wondering what an infusion of cash would do to the problems of long waits in those places? Say something along the lines of a couple of months of what it costs to continue the occupation in Iraq?</i></p>
<p>You want us to give cash to Canada?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881261', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: justwondering1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3881171</link>
		<dc:creator>justwondering1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading about the problems with the National Health Service in the UK and the universal health service in Canada, I just couldn&#039;t help wondering what an infusion of cash would do to the problems of long waits in those places?  Say something along the lines of a couple of months of what it costs to continue the occupation in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading about the problems with the National Health Service in the UK and the universal health service in Canada, I just couldn&#8217;t help wondering what an infusion of cash would do to the problems of long waits in those places?  Say something along the lines of a couple of months of what it costs to continue the occupation in Iraq?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881171', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Canuck1963</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3881169</link>
		<dc:creator>Canuck1963</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at this:


http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html 

I think I&#039;ll let the right-wing idealogues chew on THAT for a while, &#039;cuz if THIS ain&#039;t a wake-up call for them, then NOTHING will be. 

Canuck1963</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html</a> </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll let the right-wing idealogues chew on THAT for a while, &#8216;cuz if THIS ain&#8217;t a wake-up call for them, then NOTHING will be. </p>
<p>Canuck1963<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881169', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Canuck1963</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/moore-smears/comment-page-6/#comment-3881167</link>
		<dc:creator>Canuck1963</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if anyone here looks at the video clips on Glumbert.com, but I just recently finished out a long, long, argument/discussion on one of their threads, re: a video of a woman who died on the floor of a hospital in L.A., and the staff actually REFUSED to treat her; other people saw her vomitting blood in the waiting room, and actually called 911, pleading for them to send someone who WILL help. It&#039;s a horrendous, disturbing  video. Anyways, a few Americans actually came out on this thread and STILL defended the profit-driven health care system in the U.S. Because of this, when I called them on it, some predictably called me &quot;anti-American&quot;, &quot;leftist&quot;, blah-blah-blah. Bottom line is this: the U.S. is a very rich nation, yet in terms of looking after the health and welfare of its citizens, the World Health Organization ranked it #37 for timely, quality health care; Costa Rica was #36; Slovenia was #38. France ranked #1. Canada (surprisingly) clocked in at #30. Although as a Canadian I know our own system isn&#039;t perfect, this study shows that it&#039;s still at least BETTER than a &quot;for-profit-system&quot;.  Does this make me &quot;anti-American&quot;? Nahhh, not at all. Not &quot;anti-American&quot; any more than any American who thinks George Bush and Dick Cheney are a couple of lying pricks. 

Anyways, like I said, Glumbert.com....and check out the long, long thread.

It&#039;s a show-stopper. 

Canuck1963</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if anyone here looks at the video clips on Glumbert.com, but I just recently finished out a long, long, argument/discussion on one of their threads, re: a video of a woman who died on the floor of a hospital in L.A., and the staff actually REFUSED to treat her; other people saw her vomitting blood in the waiting room, and actually called 911, pleading for them to send someone who WILL help. It&#8217;s a horrendous, disturbing  video. Anyways, a few Americans actually came out on this thread and STILL defended the profit-driven health care system in the U.S. Because of this, when I called them on it, some predictably called me &#8220;anti-American&#8221;, &#8220;leftist&#8221;, blah-blah-blah. Bottom line is this: the U.S. is a very rich nation, yet in terms of looking after the health and welfare of its citizens, the World Health Organization ranked it #37 for timely, quality health care; Costa Rica was #36; Slovenia was #38. France ranked #1. Canada (surprisingly) clocked in at #30. Although as a Canadian I know our own system isn&#8217;t perfect, this study shows that it&#8217;s still at least BETTER than a &#8220;for-profit-system&#8221;.  Does this make me &#8220;anti-American&#8221;? Nahhh, not at all. Not &#8220;anti-American&#8221; any more than any American who thinks George Bush and Dick Cheney are a couple of lying pricks. </p>
<p>Anyways, like I said, Glumbert.com&#8230;.and check out the long, long thread.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a show-stopper. </p>
<p>Canuck1963<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881167', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: upright left</title>
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		<dc:creator>upright left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you work for a MEGA MAJOR corporation, your insurance pretty well blows.
Smears may work for the people who have outstanding insurance, but how many of those are there these days?
Comment by MsJoanne â€” June 22, 2007 @ 7:09 pm

I have excellent insurance with my smallish local firm.
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I really need to get those books NOW because I have a feeling in a few years theyâ€™ll be banned completely.

Comment by jake3988 â€” June 23, 2007 @ 11:01 pm

What&#039;s been keeping em from being banned for the last 30 years?  That drivel will always be with us.
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I, for one, am looking forward to the year long waits for non-emergency surgery we have to look forward to when we copy Canada&#039;s system.  And what ever came of the lawsuit by the Quebec man who needed hip replacement surgery and found out it was against Canadian law to pay for it privately even though he would have to go on a waiting list to get it through their socialized care system?  Are we going to add that little gem to our system when we follow Canada&#039;s lead? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you work for a MEGA MAJOR corporation, your insurance pretty well blows.<br />
Smears may work for the people who have outstanding insurance, but how many of those are there these days?<br />
Comment by MsJoanne â€” June 22, 2007 @ 7:09 pm</p>
<p>I have excellent insurance with my smallish local firm.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
I really need to get those books NOW because I have a feeling in a few years theyâ€™ll be banned completely.</p>
<p>Comment by jake3988 â€” June 23, 2007 @ 11:01 pm</p>
<p>What&#8217;s been keeping em from being banned for the last 30 years?  That drivel will always be with us.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
I, for one, am looking forward to the year long waits for non-emergency surgery we have to look forward to when we copy Canada&#8217;s system.  And what ever came of the lawsuit by the Quebec man who needed hip replacement surgery and found out it was against Canadian law to pay for it privately even though he would have to go on a waiting list to get it through their socialized care system?  Are we going to add that little gem to our system when we follow Canada&#8217;s lead? ;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881030', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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