Ed Schultz: ‘How Many Markets Do I Have To Beat Hannity In Before I Get 200 Or 300 Stations?’
Ed Schultz: ‘How Many Markets Do I Have To Beat Hannity In Before I Get 200 Or 300 Stations?’
Progressive radio host Ed Schultz appeared on MSNBC last night to discuss the new report by the Center for American Progress and Free Press, which revealed the conservative monopoly that currently exists over talk radio.
Schultz — the host of the most popular progressive radio show in the country — debunked the right-wing myth that conservatives dominate simply because they are winning in a “free market.” Schultz explained that the market is being controlled by a few ownership groups that are forcing conservative talk shows into local markets:
I beat Sean Hannity in Denver. I beat him in Seattle. I beat him in Portland. I beat in San Diego. How many markets do I have to beat Hannity in before I get 200 or 300 stations? It’s an ownership issue. … The fact is, it’s market opportunities and liberal talkers, progressive talkers are being held to a totally different standard than conservatives.
Watch it:
John Halpin — one of the principal authors of the radio report — noted that there is no “free market” under the current system. “There is little free speech or free choice in a market system that pushes out one-sided information 90 percent of the time on the radio,” he said. “Radio stations are licensed to operate in the public interest. Promoting one point of view over all others does not meet any reasonable public-interest standard.”
Transcript:
SCHULTZ: When you are talking about the spoken word, it influences a lot of people and it influences election in this country. There is no question. We are talking about market opportunities. Right now the liberal progressive format in this country — we are all fighting over the same 100 stations. Michael, I offer to you that ownership is an issue.
There are conservative broadcast companies in this country that do not broadcast one single second of liberal talk radio.
SMERCONISH: But Ed, I have to tell you something –
(CROSS TALK)
SMERCONISH: CBS would fire me in the morning and replace me with a communist if that communist would get them more revenue. It’s all about the scratch.
SCHULTZ: That’s not true. Michael, that is not true. I have got one of the top talk shows in Seattle, and I am only on one station in the country with Infinity. That’s not true. We are not being given the fair market opportunity.
SMERCONISH: I just don’t see it that way. I think it’s totally demand driven. And if were there a demand for whatever the program happened to be, believe me, they would put it on the air, because all they want to do is sell advertising and there is nothing wrong with that.
SCHULTZ: You know, Michael that’s almost insulting me. I beat Sean Hannity in Denver. I beat him in Seattle. I beat him in Portland. I beat in San Diego. How many markets do I have to beat Hannity in before I get 200 or 300 stations? It’s an ownership issue. Salem Radio, Infinity does one, ABC owns Hannity. It comes down to ownership. Actually, Clear Channel has been better than any of them.
The fact is, it’s market opportunities and liberal talkers, progressive talkers are being held to a totally different standard than conservatives.
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Let’s face it. Progressive talkers are boring and their politics are what most Americans oppose.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:42 pmSo when will “The Right-Wing Rabid Lemming Rapid Respond Team”â„¢ show up en masse to hijack this thread?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:44 pmMAF54
Which is why the Republicans hold both Congress and the Senate… oh, wait.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:44 pmMAF54,
If that’s the case then why is Schultz beating down Hannity in nearly every market where they are both carried?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 pm#3: And does it look like the Congress and the Senate are being controlled by the dems? They’ve accomplished nothing and there’s a reason for that.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:46 pmheres the lineup on the biggest maine talk radio station (WVOM) :
6-9 Maine in the Morning
9-12 Glenn Beck
12-3 Rush Limbaugh
3-7 Howie Carr
7-10 Sean Hannity
10-6a Coast to Coast
in other words its right wing all the time (except coast to coast I guess). no progressive or liberal hosts in sight.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm#3: And does it look like the Congress and the Senate are being controlled by the dems? They’ve accomplished nothing and there’s a reason for that.
Comment by MAF54
“The Veto-Proof Majority”… coming to a Congress near you, Jan ‘09!
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:51 pmI don’t buy this one. Radio station owners would have their mothers diary read if it would make them more money.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:51 pmEd Schultz is on a progressive station in Chicago that is so staticy it makes you crazy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:52 pmFirst, he’s citing metropolitan areas, which tend to go blue over red, so he’s going to get a jump there.
Second Hannity has more conservatives to compete against than Schultz has liberals, which makes it easier for Schultz to take a large chunk of his potential demographic.
I’d like to see what would happen if they accounted for those two factors.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:52 pm#7: That and a dem president will never happen. There are safeguards in place against such a national security disaster.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:52 pmGood for Schultz pointing out the problems with the logic within the conservative screaming points: i. e., that the percentage of right wing to progressive programming is determined by a “free market” that is controlled by a monopoly.
How IS a situation where a few owners who control programming and push a strict conservative agenda in determiing the market a “free” market?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:53 pmLet’s face it. Progressive talkers are boring and their politics are what most Americans oppose.
Comment by MAF54
And if anybody know boring it you. But I bet you wouldn’t know facts if they landed on the point of your head.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:55 pmThese threads pull in the right wing cretins, sheeple, and troglodytes to repeat their assigned talking points, which are nothing more than fact-free bloviations.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:56 pmDon’t even reply to them, or we will see another 3000+ thread that most of us abandoned to the Drudge readers (see the definition of them above).
We know the progressive is definitively and determinedly shut out of the free market radio, so rather than reply to the brainless ones, we should be pointing out the facts clearly and repeatedly to the FCC and to the local radio stations in your area. Letters to the editor would be helpful as well as writing your senators. When we finally get their attention with facts (not propaganda) we may see some improvement in the future.
For now, however, we have to deal with Senators like Inhofe and outlets like Drudge and Breitbart to report blatantly false stories, made up from thin air, and repeated on their sister outlets, to be repeated as fact by the brainless ones. They have a very effective closed circuit in getting their lies repeated so often that listeners come to believe them.
#7: That and a dem president will never happen. There are safeguards in place against such a national security disaster.
Comment by MAF54
Riiiiiight…. that’s why even Bob Novak is predicting a Dem victory next fall, and GOP strategists are already talking about ‘10. Or perhaps you believe the “Cross-dressing Community” will finally come forth in number and help sweep TRudi into office.
Oh, BTW, MAF54, your mom’s looking for you. She wants her dress back so she can go to work.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:56 pmThat and a dem president will never happen. There are safeguards in place against such a national security disaster.
Comment by MAF54
Yeah i’MAFool, like control of the national media. So you’re arguing against yourself.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pmI listen to him here in SD where he dominates. And this is one the supposedly conservative towns in America.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:57 pmMAF54=Mark Foley
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:58 pm#1.
True, so true.
I tried listening to progressive radio no substance, all fluffy, not even funny.
It (progressive media) tries to be hip with SNL parodies that suck. Awful, shrill, nonsense, best describe Keith Odormann etc.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:58 pmHey MAF54…
Is there a reason you are using the screen name of former congressional pedophile Mark Foley?
Not that it’s surprising that someone with your views would seek to memorialize such behavior.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:59 pmBring in Hugo Chavez he’ll fix it real quick. Heh :D
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:59 pmMAF54, Tom Fooley Foley, is that you?…..I thought you were out thumbing through the pages these day’s..What’s ya doeing here you little reich winged pedephile player.? We libral’s would like to know.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:00 pmMAF54 – must really hate democracy and the free market. Arguing against allowing the people to choose their elected officials. Arguing against allowing the free market to work in talk radio. This is the face of the new GOP…anti-democratic, anti-free market, and full of hate.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmMAF54, Trudi Guliani called.
He wants his panties back.
And no skidmarks this time.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmTo answer Big Ed’s question:
‘How Many Markets Do I Have To Beat Hannity In Before I Get 200 Or 300 Stations?’
You can beat him in EVERY market you’re in and still not get that kind of distribution. At least not until there has been significant reform of the media and a roll back of consolidation (see my sig).
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmAwful, shrill, nonsense
Comment by Flaco
Awful, shrill, nonsense, that’s how we describe you too Flaky. Stop looking in the mirror and focus when you’re here, would you.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmyour mom’s looking for you. She wants her dress back so she can go to work.
Wow what is with all the cross dresser hatred on this site? I mean MAF54 is supposed to be the non-tolerant one. The only ones I have seen say anti cross dresser things are Jay Randall, Shane and Republic of Stupidity.
Is cross dressing that big of a deal with the left?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:02 pmYou are wrong. This is the free market at it’s best. TP is more then entitled to buy up airwaves, open 300 stations, and market all the lefty junk they want. The only reason that hasn’t happened is because the American consumer doesn’t want it, thus it fails once you get outside the niche markets lefty’s have limited success in.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 pmCorporate Media Fascism at its finest.
The USA is dead. Long live the Chimperor.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 pmThis is the face of the new GOP…anti-democratic, anti-free market, and full of hate.
Comment by ben
Don’t forget “anti-American”.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 pmI listened to Ed Schlutz while I was in Portland. I’d never heard his show before. I liked him because he’s not afraid to say what he believes, even if it might piss off his listeners.
I also heard Tom Hartman one morning — excellent.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:05 pmMAF54, Trudi Guliani called.
He wants his panties back.
And no skidmarks this time.
Comment by Tom3
That’s why i’MAFatass is keeping them. He LOVES the skidmarks best.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:05 pmTundra –
The new face of the GOP…anti-democratic, anti-free market, and full of hate.
That’s why you are here. To spread your partisan hate. No thanks buddy. We’re not buying.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:05 pmComment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
First, he’s citing metropolitan areas, which tend to go blue over red, so he’s going to get a jump there.
Second Hannity has more conservatives to compete against than Schultz has liberals, which makes it easier for Schultz to take a large chunk of his potential demographic.
Okay, that’s TWO excuses why the “free market” model doesn’t work best here…
I’d like to see what would happen if they accounted for those two factors.
You mean, like, if there was actually a level playing field?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:05 pmWay to go Ed!! Of course the sheeple and Kool-Aid swillers like Flake-o will never get it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:06 pmWhen the libs are shown facts and asked to answer tough questions they turn to whining, lying or just general intolerant behavior. They say they want freedom of speech (theirs) but then want laws to limit opposition. Rush pulls in top rating and they just don’t get it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmThanks for the Free Market link…….it confirmed exactly what 3000 people told you Wednesday when this whining fake study was conducted:
That’s the understatement of the year. Not only were they underserved, there were more of them than liberals (always has been). As if this knucklehead beat Hannity in San Diego. I’d like to see him back that up. Liberals don’t compete well and try to manipulate the government to help them in the free market. If there is a market for something, there will be something to fill that void. It’s a natural law as certain as the sun rising. The reason why there are few liberal programs are due to one of two reasons: There are not enough liberals listening or the programming sucks. I’m of the opinion it’s both.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmIs cross dressing that big of a deal with the left?
Comment by Tundra
I don’t get it either, Tundra. As far as I can tell, Rudy G dressed in drag for some show as a joke, and now he’s supposed to be a full-fledged cross-dresser? Please.
Who gives a shit anyway?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmAre you folks advocating that we force the free markets to remove popular shows with new shows that you pick regardless of how ratings get effected?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:08 pmOne way you can recognize a free market is that it represents its customers – if x% of cola drinkers prefer Pepsi, then roughly x% of cola sold will be Pepsi. For quite some time now, the US has been solidly 33% Democrat, 33% Republican, and 33% who declare themselves independant but tend to split equally between D and R. Obviously, the “free market” of talk radio does not reflect its customer (politically active Americans).
This doesn’t mean I support a legislative solution – I don’t think you can legislate freedom in any meaningful way. I say take talk radio for what it primarily is – entertainment. There are better forums for intelligent discussion of politics (such as blogs, newspapers, and magazines) and there is much better balance overall in these venues.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:09 pmWow what is with all the cross dresser hatred on this site? I mean MAF54 is supposed to be the non-tolerant one. The only ones I have seen say anti cross dresser things are Jay Randall, Shane and Republic of Stupidity.
Is cross dressing that big of a deal with the left?
Comment by Tundra
Oh if there was a cross dressing Dem candidate you people would have posters of him on every corner all ready. How hypocritical can you a$$holes be? Bill Clinton got a bl@wjob and you people acted like it was a disgusting act. I haven’t met the man yet who would say no if some young girl knocked on their door offering a freebie and Republicans acted like he was a freak of nature. Please get off your high horse and face your own stupidity.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:09 pmRoger_Roger –
Another hater from the right. Great! The new face of the GOP…anti-democratic, anti-free market, and full of hate.
That’s why you are here. To spread your partisan hate. No thanks buddy. We’re not buying.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:10 pm#8-
The point here is that radio stations are a government enforced monopoly ( its necessarily so- until recently there was only limited useable frequency space ) and there is no free market in place.
In otherwords, they dont have to read their mother’s diary on air, because there is no competition to take their revenue streams away from them.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:11 pmRush pulls in top rating and they just don’t get it.
Comment by Happy Guy
He spews propaganda, and you love the taste. We already got that part.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:12 pmTrudi Gliani has dressed up SEVERAL times.
As Bill Maher said, Julie-Annie knows his bra size…there’s something going on there.
Just another Republiqueer clOset case.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:12 pmTo you it is only a level playing field when you win.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 pmWhen the libs are shown facts and asked to answer tough questions they turn to whining, lying or just general intolerant behavior.
Comment by Happy Guy
“General intolerant behavior” is the hallmark of the Republican party. Who the f@ck do you think you’re talking to. You’re the people who believe every muslim should be treated to a stay at Gitmo or Abu Graihb and you call liber intolerant. What a moron.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 pmTo you liberals it is only a level playing field when you win.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:15 pmGood Morning Lady Z, …Troll’s enter stage reich in 3-2-1…..I skimmed the other huge thread the other day and noticed how many diffrent names with the duplicate message there were…Think just a hand full were working over time and using diffrent name’s….LOL…They can blow their usual snot all over the place today and I’m going to be playing out side….Such a wast of space and air, all of them….Black hearted, space user’s…..Have fun playing with them..Good thing what they are affected with isn’t catching…Poor thing’s, heir leader is at 26% and falling.
Hope you have a great day….Blessings
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:16 pmJust Me – Good call. But the folks on the right don’t come here to have a discussion. They simply want to spread their hatred for others.
Based on the the ball that Air America and Ed got rolling. I think station owners have just realized a huge market for talk radio. And as a few of the smaller stations take the risk, we will see a huge gain in market share for liberal and progressive talkers.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:16 pmLiberal radio doesn’t work because americans are afraid of the truth. Most american like being lied to, how else do you explain “Right-wingnut” radio?? Really, bring back the “Fairness Doctrine” and watch americans wise up right before your eyes
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 pmI’m confused about all this talk of “free markets”. Every economist, from Adam Smith on down, has agreed that free markets only exist in the absence of collusion, without a few players controlling most of the market share.
The radio ownership world is the diametric opposite of a “free market”. Radio was a free market when maybe 1-2 stations were owned by a single concern. Consolidation made the market skewed and unfree.
“Free market” is just con-speak for “oligopoly”. It has no relation to the real economic meaning of the term.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 pmshane
Oh if there was a cross dressing Dem candidate you people would have posters of him on every corner all ready.
Your right, at least some of us, such as people like O’reilly. But you guys are supposed to be the party of tolerance and etc, so when you attack people for things like crossdressing you come of just as bigoted as you claim the right is.
mikey r
You mean, like, if there was actually a level playing field?
ZING!!
Not exactly, I meant that what if they tweaked the ratings to account for those factors, just like grades (for example) are tweaked due to income level or previous years performance, or any number of other factors, when people start talking about private vs public education.
Okay, that’s TWO excuses why the “free market†model doesn’t work best here…
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 pmAnd just to clarify, it was nothing against the ‘free market’ but more of a saturation comment, by which I mean Conservative radio is a lot closer to it’s saturation point than Liberal radio, which will create more stations, and more competition between conservatives, which will push down individual conservatives ratings due to the plethora of choices.
“Is cross dressing that big of a deal with the left?
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 2:02 pm”
NO!
The point is being made about the HYPOCRICY of the RIGHT!!!!
They stand for “family values” and condemn anyone who does not follow the bible, yet it is fine if they sleep with boys or dress as girls…… This is acceptable, but god forbid if two people who love each other want to have the same rights as a heterosexual couple…..
This is the reason for the remarks…..
They are POINTING out this hypocircy. Whether its right or wrong, I don’t know but I am just explaining it to you.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 pm#7: That and a dem president will never happen. There are safeguards in place against such a national security disaster.
Comment by MAFIOSO54 — June 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
You keep telling yourself that Hermann.
Right up to the trials.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:18 pmLiberals aren’t whining.
We are screaming bloody murder at this corporate fascist takeover of the US.
Repuke trolls are whiners.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:18 pmHere’s something I can’t understand:
Conservatives say “most talk radio is right-leaning because that’s what the people want.” Then they turn around and say “I hate the stupid liberal media, they don’t represent America.” So from what I can gather, by their logic, since the media (here I mean the dominant media of TV and newspaper) is liberal, doesn’t that mean that more people prefer liberal press and hence are themselves liberal?
This is of course all based on their position and is no way grounded in fact.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:19 pmOddly enough, one the most conservative owners, Clear Channel, is taking the lead on this. They understand that they have been holding back the free market, and thus shooting themselves in the foot…or the wallet. It doesn’t take a genius to see the growth over the last 2 years of progressive voices across America. An market equilibrium will be reached….and it’s not even close yet, based on the growth numbers.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:19 pmIf you can’t comment or debate the stace that you find on progressive talk shows with reasonable and fact filled discourse, you can always call the hosts shrill and boring.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:19 pmIs cross dressing that big of a deal with the left?
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Not if we’re electing a prom queen.
But for the position of President of the United States it might make us look just a little silly.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:20 pmNo shane, you are wrong. I save links to this site when a thread gets so overboard it is funny. Would you like me to post some of my favorites? You are a bunch of conspiracy nuts, liars and just general nut jobs. You like to say Republicans are the intolerant ones, but the fact is you are anti-Christian, anti-Jewish and anti-American…
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:20 pmShane,
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/21/slates-fred-kaplan/#comments
Oh if there was a cross dressing Dem candidate you people would have posters of him on every corner all ready.
Why looks like you would have denounced him already on this side?
So you are against a cross dressing mayor/senator/president if they do it in public?
Comment by Tundra — June 21, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
Yes Tundra I am against politicians cross-dressing in public. I am against them dressing up in leather bondage attire in public too.
Comment by Jay Randal — June 21, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
It means that anyone who cross dresses and decides to run for the office of president should be made fun of. Get it?
Comment by shane — June 21, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
Sure, all you neocons are just bundles of tolerance.
Comment by shane — June 21, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Umm yeah, you got me. I’m not the one that’s running around saying “It’s ok to laugh at cross dressers because they deserve it for doing something non-cross dressers should only be doingâ€
Comment by Tundra — June 21, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Tolerance my ass.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:20 pmBut since you seem to think I am on a high horse, feel free to link to any post where I have insulted any person based on race, creed, national origin, sexual preference.
Well the last post on this topic got over 5000 comments thanks to right wing trolls with their panties in a knot.
Well see how this one does.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:21 pmI would think another reason for the imbalance is progressive minded folks are a more, “think for yourself” types. As opposed conservative listeners who are more like sheep. They’ll follow and believe any BS that’s fed to them- as long as it comes out of the correct mouth. Limbaugh is a perfect example, big ratings- due to idiots that don’t have the common sense to think for themselves.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:22 pmAre you folks advocating that we force the free markets to remove popular shows with new shows that you pick regardless of how ratings get effected?
Comment by Roger_Roger
No just restore the rules of the Fairness Doctrine that congress voted on and that the Supreme Court upheld in 1969. Your guy Ronald Reagan arbitrarily decided that Congress’ mandate was nonbinding and started chipping away at the law. The FCC in 1987 voting 4-0 ruled they could ignore the law and the Court of Appeals in DC decided to uphold it. So much for the Congress and the Supreme Court, nobody listens to them anyway.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:23 pm57. erock
You make a good point.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:23 pmTundra –
You have insulted everyone here by staying off topic and making inane straw man arguments. The GOP is full of hatred and blind ideology it strikes me as amazing that you don’t recognize these patterns in your posts.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:23 pmOk then, you balance talk radio, I’ll balance the evening news. Replace Katie Couric with ED Hill and let Bill O’Reilly and Brian Williams rotate on NBC.
I DARE the left to try and shut us down. We will paint you as the fascists that you are and win the next election.
With just 14% of Americans confident the Democratic lead Congress, you would think you people would focus on the agenda you were elected to office to enact. Unfortunately, you just want shut down opposition in the media.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:24 pm#56 Tom3 – you are 100% correct, sir.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:25 pmTundra –
Follow up. If you stayed on subject, I’m sure that people here would gladly have a good conversation with you about why talk radio is the way it is and where it is heading.
Sincerely,
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:25 pmBen – liberals are full of hatred for their country and themselves. Don’t you dare attack the GOP. It is liberals who would sell their souls to al qaeda and satan if it meant lower poll numbers for Bush.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:26 pmYou have insulted everyone here by staying off topic and making inane straw man arguments.
So you can go off topic, but if I respond I’m the wrong one?
Hatred?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:27 pmYeah, feel free to find a post where I was hateful in the last 6 months
TP Hate Machine –
You don’t find it ironic that spew such vitriol in your posts using that moniker. The new face the GOP…enraged with hate.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:27 pmSo erock, let’s look at what your saying and turn it the other way.
Liberals own the media as in newspapers, network stations . . . . and have been pumping our their twisted liberal propaganda for years. Or as it has been called, “The Liberal Mediaâ€.
Conservatives find the small niche of Talk Radio and all of a sudden there is a need for “A Level Playing Fieldâ€.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:27 pmComment by ben — June 22, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
I made my comment number 8. No responses so I guess everyone agrees with me. I didn’t get a response from you till I defended cross dressers (Where I was called hateful)
Actually the most hateful thing I said was that radio owners would sell their mothers diary.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:29 pmBen – liberals are full of hatred for their country and themselves. Don’t you dare attack the GOP. It is liberals who would sell their souls to al qaeda and satan if it meant lower poll numbers for Bush.
Comment by TP Hate Machine — June 22, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
If your spew would be remotely close to the truth, I would have to ask you why is it we hate Bush and would want to see lower poll numbers? Really, I would llike to hear your train of logic on this.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:30 pmTP Hate Machine –
Your last post was very angry. I’m not sure where you get this deep sense of self hate causes you to talk like this. I personally don’t feel that you are adding anything of quality to the conversation of either side. If you are the new face of the GOP, you have not elegantly proven my point.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:30 pmThe Fuhrer was adept at using the airwaves for his divine purposes. Why do you think President Bush gives a radio address each week? Don’t let the liberal msm trash the airwaves by forcing stations to comply with silly rules and regulations that don’t make sense.
We write our own destiny people. Its in our stars.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:30 pmTP hate machine sure has some solid observations, but the only place where observations like his are truly deemed solid is on AM wing-nut radio.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:31 pmerock
Conservatives say “most talk radio is right-leaning because that’s what the people want.†Then they turn around and say “I hate the stupid liberal media, they don’t represent America.†So from what I can gather, by their logic, since the media (here I mean the dominant media of TV and newspaper) is liberal, doesn’t that mean that more people prefer liberal press and hence are themselves liberal?
Well you could look at the decline in ratings/circulation/etc in “traditional” media (the newspapers and TV news) and compare it to the increase in ratings of the “new” media (radio and some people include fox news) and use that to show that people are moving to a more conservative slant in their news sources.
Then you also have blogs, but I have no idea what total views are on them as a left vs. right argument. I know the left has the most popular one with the ‘daily kos’ but thats it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:31 pmLooks like this is headed for another 4000 message post, full of the sheeple spewing their usual brand of shrill hatred while failing to address the substance. Typical…all hot air, all the time.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:31 pm“Yeah, feel free to find a post where I was hateful in the last 6 months
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 2:27 pm”
Tundra, you are a rarity….. MOST of the Repubs that come here DO spew hate….
Just like the Right GENERALIZES the Dems as Terrorists for wanting to ensure we maintain our Constitution, the Left GENERALIZES that all Repubs spew hate….
Take it easy….. Most do come here and spew hate…. Just read the posts…..
So if some return in kind, well that’s their choice… And I have done this also, so I include myself in that statement.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmEd maybe, sean never, ads never, and music always. Simple solution.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmIf Schultz keeps this up year after year he’ll have more stations. [He's at around 100 now] Would any of you libs hazzard to guess how many years it took Hannity [talking politics, not sports] to get to where he is? It should also be noted that Schultz is the exeption rather than the rule.
Do I have to bring up Mario Cuomo, Jim Hightower, Gary Hart, Alan Dershowitz, Lowell Weicker and Air America again?
I’d also like to know just how liberal [pro firearm, anti gay marriage, anti abortion] Schultz is?
One should also be advised that Schultz moved his program into talk radio “prime time” to go up against Rush Limbaugh. Would you trade in your #1 earner by far for a relative newcomer who has a history of being a loose cannon? That would be bad business, but of course most libs are employees so I don’t blame you cats for not getting it.
Quit your bellyaching libs and learn to compete.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmYour right, at least some of us, such as people like O’reilly. But you guys are supposed to be the party of tolerance and etc, so when you attack people for things like crossdressing you come of just as bigoted as you claim the right is.
Comment by squegeebooo
Sorry I don’t fit your opinion of progressives. I am not tolerant at all of hatefilled, lie spewing neocons. Just like you’re not O’Reilly, we don’t all fit into your “liberal” niche.
In fact I think somebody like Rudy who uses the disaster of 9/11 to further his ambitions is the lowest form of scum and whatever it takes to bring him down, well it’s all right with me.
And I think Bush and Cheney are both guilty of treason. And if they are convicted, then I’m all for the death penalty. See how little you understand about many of us.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:33 pmMIKE MALLOY IS ON NOVA M Radio.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:33 pmComment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Point noted and appreciated, I was getting worked up there for a sec.
Thanks!
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:36 pmBen – you accused the GOP of being full of hatred. That accusation makes you HATEFUL. AND don’t worry, I know I am hateful. I hate what liberals have done to this country and am truly scared that the fascist left will take away my right to bitch about it.
Thankfully, John Paul Stevens is retiring in two weeks and we can finally have a right-wing majority on the Court. They will protect my right to free speech.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:36 pmYou like to say Republicans are the intolerant ones, but the fact is you are anti-Christian, anti-Jewish and anti-American…
Comment by Happy Guy
That’s pretty funny since most of us are Jewish or Christian and we’re almost entirely American, Mr. Happy. Go figure.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:36 pmNotice how 2 trolls continue to switch names and continue the same crap with different names? I think it makes them think they are more omnipotent! Really SSDD. Time to move on.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:37 pmDon’t worry libs, Clinton and Boxer will take care of the “conservative” voice of talk radio for you.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/2042.html
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:37 pmshane
whatever it takes to bring him down, well it’s all right with me.
I am not tolerant
then I’m all for the death penalty.
So the ends justify the means, -thats what were doing at Gitmo
your intolerant of people you disagree with, – thats how Bush treats diplomacy
and your pro-death penalties -thats how we like our hard criminals (murders and the such) and our terrorists
Sounds like its time to switch your registration card over to an R, your views mesh nicely with ours.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm#88: Ditto!
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:39 pm#85 Shane,
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:40 pmWell said. Rightwing radio talkhosts are full of vile truthiness. These same rightwing guys will move to the left, center or right as long as someone pays them.
#91 – they both deny it, but I am sure they at least believe it.
It will be nice when Hillary wins the nomination. We can expose her for the ultra-liberal fascist that she is. Barbara Boxer will be case in point #1.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:40 pm#90 Notice how 2 trolls continue to switch names and continue the same crap with different names? I think it makes them think they are more omnipotent! Really SSDD. Time to move on.
Comment by Bluedahlia
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:42 pmYeah, this is getting pretty obvious.
But since you seem to think I am on a high horse, feel free to link to any post where I have insulted any person based on race, creed, national origin, sexual preference.
Comment by Tundra
You support a party that believes only fundamentalist christians are good and everybody else is bad. You are guilty by association for supporting the neocon agenda. When you come out against the torture of muslim detainees by the administration I will listen to something you have to say about intolerance.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:43 pmMy name is really leftcoast but I have decided to clone myself in the hopes of increasing the writings of progressives.
Progressives rule
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:44 pmPresident Hillary will ship all you Repuke trolls to Gitmo.
When you whine about it, we’ll laugh at you and say, But Chimpy did it!
Precedent’s a bitch.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmDon’t worry libs, Clinton and Boxer will take care of the “conservative†voice of talk radio for you.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/2042.html
Comment by Tracy
Ahh, Tracy…. The little azzhole-licker of TRAITOR coxucker PUNK Bush.
You NEVER answered WHY Bush and Cheney REFUSED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission.
i.e., SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH to the AMERICAN PEOPLE
And then YOU refused to answer, commenting that I was a “bin Laden sympathizer”, when in REALITY,
TRAITOR Bush is a SAUDI OIL WHOREBAG, and an azzhole-licker of the Bin Ladens and Osama his BUDDY
which makes YOU a bin Laden sympathizer….
The FACT that Bush and Cheney REFUSED to testify UNDER OATH pretty much tells the story that they are TRAITORS to the USA and its LAWS.
See YOU in hell tracy (cause I’LL be THERE, and so will YOU),
Mr. Bush
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COWARDLY AWOL COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA
TM-BushCrimeCo, Inc.
I hope you’re not taking about me my paranoid friends. I’ve been posting here using one name and email for a couple months now. Watch out for the black helos.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmOH CRAP here we go again with 3000+ rightwingnutz posts pure crap again…Hey Conservatives face it you suck a$$ 24/7.
And no don’t respond to this post you inbreed scum, I won’t be coming back to read your stupid talking points.
Conservatives suck
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:47 pmAdam (leftcoast) says-
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmAs a christian (non-fundamentalist) I will never vote lock-step with those who follow any pied-piper. I will never attend a church that preaches politics from the pulpit. I will only listen to those who speak of the love of Christ and learn discernment when approached by people who say they are christian but are not really.
#103 Adam, Way to go!
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:51 pmSounds like its time to switch your registration card over to an R, your views mesh nicely with ours.
Comment by squegeebooo
No it’s just time Democrats started playing the game with the same rules in Rove’s Republican playbook. Dems have been playing fair and it cost us our way of life. It’s time to play dirty just like you guys.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:51 pmNew York City is the perfect example of a network ownerships pushing the rightwing shitmachine down people’s throats who OVERWHLEMINGLY know better and aren’t interested.
Not only is Ed Shulz – the biggest name in progressive radio – not on ANY station in the NYC/NJ area, but neither is Stephanie Miller, or Air America’s own morning host Cenk Uygur . Instead, we get 24 hour rightwing fringe mentality on WABC and WOR.
The majority of New Yorkers are hardly interested in the hate speech of the “white christian male power structure”, yet that is what you are forced to contend with every time you turn on AM radio.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:51 pmAdam,
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmSo do you think these troll repubs should face public ridicule?
Leftcoast, Yes Adam. Place these Trolls in the stock without trial. Put a Scarlet Letter on their forehead. That’ll teach them.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:53 pmI really agree with this schultz guy.If I had a liberal to listen to I sure in the hell would not be listenin to all these lies the repubs tell and there fans soak it up.The only way we can get liberal talk is through xm or sirus.Common sense alone will tell you that this all politics.Why else would bush invite all these losers up to the white house before the elections.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pm#105: I agree wholeheartedly. If you want to play with us, learn the goddamn new rules.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmYou support a party that believes only fundamentalist christians are good and everybody else is bad
I am a Libertarian who doesn’t believe in god, Where did I ever support the Christians?
You are guilty by association for supporting the neocon agenda.
Feel free to demonstrate a post that does that.
When you come out against the torture of muslim detainees by the administration I will listen to something you have to say about intolerance.
I have been against torture since the beginning.
Do you assume everything you post?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmThe topic of Radio and the Fairness Doctrine is obviously a very sensitive area for neo-cons. Just witness the 3,000+ replies to yesterday’s post about talk radio. That should tell all of us that this is an area we progressives/independents should keep attacking. They own AM talk radio 98% to 2%. They’re deathly afraid of having to give up even a single percent more. They know how powerful talk radio is. And they know that if the public were exposed to ideas, progressive ideas, that Rush’s ideas couldn’t compete. You see neo-cons know their ideas aren’t as good as ours. So they can only win when they prevent our ideas from being heard.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmAdam, But what about habeas corpus? Oh yeah, we don’t have that. Then let’s throw trolls in with the lions.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:55 pmLet’s face it. Progressive talkers are boring and their politics are what most Americans oppose.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007
No. In markets that carry progressive radio, progressives do quite well, thankyouverymuch. Now, if you’d bother to read anything other than Drudge, you would have noted this in the report:
“…the gap between conservative and progressive talk radio is the result of multiple structural problems in the U.S. regulatory system, particularly the complete breakdown of the public trustee concept of broadcast, the elimination of clear public interest requirements for broadcasting, and the relaxation of ownership rules including the requirement of local participation in management.”
Too many big words for you?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:55 pmLet’s just clear one thing up right now.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:55 pmSean Hannity is not conservative.
I agree wholeheartedly. If you want to play with us, learn the goddamn new rules.
Comment by MAF54
That’s right, live by the sword, die by the sword. Hope you neocons are happy with all the changes you made after the next election.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmED SHULTZ YOU BEAT HANNITY IN RATINGS FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON, **THE AMERICAN POPOLUS FINALLY CAUGHT-ON TO THE BULLSHIT THAT HANNITY, LIMBAUGH, INGRAHAM AND I’M SORRY TO SAY, MICHAEL REAGAN (DADDY IS ROLLIN’ OVER IN GRAVE) PREACH EVERYDAY. NOW YOU KNOW WHY THEY WEAR HEADPHONES, SO THEY CAN “HEAR THEMSELVES”……the self-righteous bastards.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmThus does a minority of creeps rip off the people’s airwaves.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmIn Chicago, WLS AM 890 broadcasts the Rush Limbaugh show. WLS (Disney/Citadel owned) got the license to broadcast on 890 AM for FREE. Its a powerhouse signal, 50,000 watts. Virtually any show they run will make millions of dollars. Its a FREE license to print money.
Since Disney/Citadel had the free license in 2006 when is it my turn to have ownership of this free license? What year will the guy down the street get his turn to own this license? Why should this free license be given to Disney/Citadel every year? If the license to this signal is free, and owned by the public, why can’t we all take turns owning it?
Is it too much to ask that if this license is given to Disney/Citadel free every year, and they make millions $$ with it, that they should offer programming representing the full spectrum of public interest? And not just 12 hours of neo-con programming all day?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:58 pm#65
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Regulation/EM368.cfm
“The fairness doctrine’s constitutionality was tested and upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in a landmark 1969 case, Red Lion Broadcasting v. FCC (395 U.S. 367). Although the Court then ruled that it did not violate a broadcaster’s First Amendment rights, the Court cautioned that if the doctrine ever began to restrain speech, then the rule’s constitutionality should be reconsidered. Just five years later, without ruling the doctrine unconstitutional, the Court concluded in another case that the doctrine “inescapably dampens the vigor and limits the variety of public debate” (Miami Herald Publishing Co. v. Tornillo, 418 U.S. 241). In 1984, the Court concluded that the scarcity rationale underlying the doctrine was flawed and that the doctrine was limiting the breadth of public debate (FCC v. League of Women Voters, 468 U.S. 364). This ruling set the stage for the FCC’s action in 1987. An attempt by Congress to reinstate the rule by statute was vetoed by President Ronald Reagan in 1987, and later attempts failed even to pass Congress.”
Sound like to me the the PEOPLE of the United States basically told the Supreme Cout that contradicting yourself with your rulings is a sure way to get a BS law overturned.
BTW the TV news networks don’t abide and have NEVER abided by this doctrine…why should talk radio markets?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:58 pmLeftcoast,
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:58 pmThe illiterate trolls have captured the site. What do we do? Nuke the site?
No, a better idea is to trace their IP the Homeland Security and have the NSA look into their lives (without a courtorder)
#116: That would apply if the next elections actually mattered.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:58 pm#121: Yes. Get rid of us and you’ll have your own, little echo-chamber for discussing your pretty little progressive ideas without anyone injecting nasty, opposing opinions into the discourse.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:00 pmDo you assume everything you post?
Comment by Tundra
No. I assume because you espouse most of the issues of the neocons and you argue against everything progressive you are a Republican. Of course posters like you are always independent or libertarians. Convenient hedge if you ask me.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:01 pmRandi Rhodes makes a similar claim about beating Rush Limbaugh.
I live in the northern California region, not exactly a conservative mecca. Until KQKE started carrying some of Air America’s programs (more than a year after Air America began), all stations up here were all-conservative, all the time. KGO’s ‘liberal’ broadcasters were on at night (Bernie Ward), and I wouldn’t exactly call them ‘liberal’–’corporate’, yes.
The couple of stations that claimed to be mixed and balanced (like KGO) have their TV newscasters doubling as radio broadcasters, and their right-wing roots come through loudly. Pete Wilson, KGO-TV’s anchor and on the afternoon radio schedule thinks of himself as a moderate. But how deluded is that when he calls the birth of gay San Francisco Supervisor Bevan Dufty and his friend lesbian Rebecca Goldfader’s baby Sidney a “travestyâ€?
On the other local stations, there’s a line-up to satisfy any WorldNet fan. Melanie Morgan, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Dr. James Dobson, Matt Drudge, Dennis Miller, Michael Savage, Brian Sussman, Barbara Simpson, Dr. Laura, Bill O’Reilly, Dave Gold. I’m only listing the more famous ones. The rest of the air time is filled with the lesser knowns or wannabe Limbaughs.
Ed Schultz isn’t really liberal either. He started as a conservative broadcaster and couldn’t compete up against Hannity and Limbaugh in that format. It wasn’t until he converted to liberalism in the late 1990s, in a marketplace bereft of liberal broadcasters (most left the business when they couldn’t find work after Reagan killed equal time doctrine) that he did well. Schultz isn’t well-versed or well-read in liberal politics. His democratic political beliefs are tightly nuanced. He’s what you would call a ‘Reagan democrat,’ who you may remember aren’t all that swift.
Corporations that own media organizations also own other businesses in other industries, so they can afford to not make money, and even lose money, in their media businesses. Whatever money they lose in radio, they write-off in taxes. They also get to control the microphone. They choose who gets to pitch to the public. Owning the microphone lets them prevent competitors from getting their advertising out.
I listen to the radio when I drive. If the only choices are Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly or Michael Savage, I switch the channel every couple of minutes out of irritation. When the only programming on the radio is conservative, that’s not a free market. That’s a monopoly.
When the choice is between anyone from Air America and any conservative, I turn the dial to the liberal and leave it there. Until a commercial, and then I start switching again. Until I realize it’s either the liberal or a Limbaugh type. By then, the commercial is over and it’s back to Air America.
Do you know any liberal who would prefer listening to right-wing broadcasters over left-wing broadcasters?
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:01 pm“Yes. Get rid of us and you’ll have your own, little echo-chamber for discussing your pretty little progressive ideas without anyone injecting nasty, opposing opinions into the discourse.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 3:00 pm”
Absolutely……
We don’t care for “nasty, opposing opinions”…
Now if the Right wants to debate on the FACTS and in a CIVIL manner, then great!!!
But I won’t hold my breath for that!!!
All you know is HATE HATE HATE!
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:04 pm#100
“You NEVER answered WHY Bush and Cheney REFUSED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission.”
You asked me? When?
“And then YOU refused to answer, commenting that I was a “bin Laden sympathizerâ€, when in REALITY,”
Which thead was this in?
“TRAITOR Bush is a SAUDI OIL WHOREBAG, and an azzhole-licker of the Bin Ladens and Osama his BUDDY”
Well if you have some evidence of bin Laden today being in cahoots with Bush by all means present some….LOL!
“See YOU in hell tracy (cause I’LL be THERE, and so will YOU),”
Oh, no you go by yourself, no thanks.
BTW are you going to respond to the contents of the audio clip?…or do you think that Clinton and Boxer have no designs on trying to limit free speech and the freemarket?
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:05 pmSound like to me the the PEOPLE of the United States basically told the Supreme Cout that contradicting yourself with your rulings is a sure way to get a BS law overturned
BTW the TV news networks don’t abide and have NEVER abided by this doctrine…why should talk radio markets?
Comment by Tracy
How do four members of the FCC speak for the PEOPLE.
And yes, TV news networks did abide by the doctrine. Nice way to misinterpret.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:06 pm#105
“Dems have been playing fair and it cost us our way of life.”
Now that’s the funniest thing I have heard in a long time!
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:07 pmTracy, how old are you?
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmKen, you are right about Schultz, but who knows? Maybe he’s sincere, but no, he isn’t exactly progressive and his grasp of the issues seems to consists of what he reads on blogs each day. No independent thinking.
Then there’s Lionel on Air America. This supposed progressive really is a travesty. I’ll never tune my XM to him again, although I did try to like him, after his kid glove treatment of Donohue on the show a couple weeks ago. The very idea that they replaced a real progressive, Sam Seder, with this clown is insane.
Rachel Maddow is my talk show host of choice. Randi comes second.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:08 pm#121: Yes. Get rid of us and you’ll have your own, little echo-chamber for discussing your pretty little progressive ideas without anyone injecting nasty, opposing opinions into the discourse.
Comment by MAF54
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 pmNo, not rid of you, because you will still sit in the stockade. Eventually, you will be released once habeas corpus is returned and you have a fair trial.
NO, your ideas are not opposing; they are just filled with unitelligible remarks that are desinged to do nothing but disrupt intercourse.
Adam, Right on. MAF54 is beyond help
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:10 pm“Now that’s the funniest thing I have heard in a long time!
Comment by Tracy — June 22, 2007 @ 3:07 pm”
Please provide evidence of the Dems “caging” voters……
This is just ONE example of MANY!!!!
I’ll await your evidence of the Dems doing this….
Keep in mind that the Repubs did it 2x in the 1980’s and “Prommised” by signing a document stating so that they would not do this anymore….
So YES, the Dems have been playing fair…..
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:11 pmIt’s Bought Speech, not Free Speech.
The Media in America is consumed by Advertisers. They are the real customers. The audience doesn’t pay for programming. It’s the advertiser who pays for a demographic and there interest is not in high ratings, but in a target demo of age and gender.
That’s why my mother can say that every show she loves gets cancelled. Half of the time it’s true because she isn’t in the main consumer demographic of males, 18 to 34. Nope, sixtysomething females are invisible.
And that’s true about liberals and progressives. The adverstisers fear them because they actually engage in critical thinking. They don’t just drink whatever beer, drive whatever muscle car, eat whatever pizza, listen to whatever music is pitched at them. And so the Ditto Head is born.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:12 pmMAF54
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:13 pmWe all love you….but take a hike. You make no sense for our cause.
Tracy, that’s the whole debate. Should the people’s airwaves be at the mercy of the highest bidder? I already know your answer, so don’t bother. But nice to meet a friend of MAF54’s. He’s been too lonely too long.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:13 pmOne of the trolls earlier highlighted an important point. All of the places that Ed mentioned where he is beating slant head are metro areas. However some of those metro areas – San Diego for one – is so un liberal its pathetic.
The point, however, is that progressive talkers need to break into the “heartland” midwest, the intermountain west and the redneck south to have real impact. Ed is really popular here in the northern Virginia suburbs of DC but he’s preaching to the choir. We won’t succeed and the 50 state strategy won’t succeed until places like Liberal, Kansas (thats really the towns name) have progressive talkers on the radio rather than Rush, and places like Wedowee Alabama wake up to Stephanie Miller each morning. Progressive talkers and progressives in general have made considerable strides in recent years breaking down the redneck ceiling. We just need more straight shooters like Ed Schultz and we need them on the air in lesser markets soon.
By the way if you’ve not read Ed’s book “Straight Talk from the Heartland” get it and read it. There’s a very good story in there about how this former right winger was overwhelmed by some social issues that made him realize that the best side of the fence to be on was the progressive side.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:15 pmleftcoast/adam
You’re hilarious. :D
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:15 pmMAF54
We all love you….but take a hike. You make no sense for our cause.
Comment by free man
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:17 pmfree man,
I believe there is a voice of reason in you. Thanks.
Zooey,
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:18 pmIt’s just so damn fun!
Candyce, #131,
To me, Lionel is the left-wing’s Mark Levin. I don’t like him, but if it’s a choice between him and Mark Levin, I’ll pick Lionel.
I love Randi, but they moved her to the night shift and put Rachel Maddow in her place. I like Rachel, but I loved Randi. I switch the channel more since the change. That’s what radio execs don’t want listeners doing.
Sam Seder was great, and he’s been replaced with Mike Malloy in my region. Malloy’s politics are fine, but I don’t happen to like Malloy’s style. When he goes off on rages, it hurts my ears. I, again, switch the channel until I think he’s stopped yelling.
I love Laura Flanders, too. I love smart, interesting conversations, chock full of facts and explanations. I think most people do, too, and would welcome a return to thoughtful dialogues.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:20 pm#126
“Ed Schultz isn’t really liberal either. He started as a conservative broadcaster and couldn’t compete up against Hannity and Limbaugh in that format.”
So Schultz is fraud just looking for the big bucks?
“When the only programming on the radio is conservative, that’s not a free market. That’s a monopoly.”
BS! Here in Dallas Air America use to be on AM910, their rating stunk and the station couldn’t pay their bills because companies wouldn’t buy air time during Air America’s show time. The station had to change their line up to stay in business. If companies aren’t realizing any benefit of putting their commericals on certain radio station because of their broadcasters, then the radio station better get someone on who will get companies to commit. Remember people, radio stations need revenue to operate, and the money comes from commericals. They don’t operate for free. BTW NPR is always there.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:23 pmZooey,
It’s just so damn fun!
Comment by leftcoast/adam/free man
Heh. I didn’t pick up “free man.”
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:25 pmI wrote the FCC to ask that they expand more markets available for Sean Hannity. They IMMEDIATELY responded: ” We don’t know the hell who Hannity is, but we will give some thought to that guy Shultz, we like him?
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:26 pm#144 Zooey- here it is.
MAF54
We all love you….but take a hike. You make no sense for our cause.
Comment by free man
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:28 pm#128
Congress tried to revive the Fairness Doctrine many times AFTER 1987, and couldn’t get other members to support it. The people didn’t want it and still don’t.
“And yes, TV news networks did abide by the doctrine.”
No they didn’t. Do you know who Andy Rooney is?
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:33 pm#130
I will be 34 in August.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:33 pm“Second Hannity has more conservatives to compete against than Schultz has liberals, which makes it easier for Schultz to take a large chunk of his potential demographic.
I’d like to see what would happen if they accounted for those two factors.
Comment by squegeebooo ”
What I would like to see is an equal number of progressive talk shows to conservative talk shows. Then you could tell which are the most popular. As long as there are five conservative talks shows to one progressive talk show, people will always be able to say that conservative talk is more popular.
Lets ignore MAF54 – he’s a total moron and responding to him simply takes you down to his level. I promise that I will never again respond to this idiot. Except for my parting shot:
MAF54 – There is a special place in hell waiting for you and your ilk. You will be very pleased when you end up there because you will be able to hang out with all of your idols like the Bush Crime Family, O’Lielley, Hanndity and Malkin. You can all complain through eternity about those damn libtards and how they took back the country and spoiled all your plans.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:36 pmMedia consolidation has really hurt this country. In some small towns, they don’t have any local radio stations at all. If there is a natural disaster, i.e. a fire or tornado, etc. there’s no way to communicate that over the radio because the station is 1000 or 1500 miles away.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:36 pmThis really is a tragedy since local voices are not being heard at all. Before radio stations were bought up by Clear Channel, you had a lot of diversity on the air. Liberal, progressive, etc. The FM dial was more diverse as well since you didn’t have every station playing Top 40 all day everyday.
There’s virtually no competition at all not because of the free market, but because of lobbying to change the laws. It’s shameful.
The Sun Is Hot
An MSNBC study found that journalists’ political donations are 9 to 1 to Democrats and liberals. Journalists responded by vowing to hunt down that 1. Actually, there’s this whole website Media Matters devoted to finding and destroying the insidious bias of that 1.
What I wonder about are the liberals who insist that the media isn’t liberal despite all the evidence. There are even some who argue it’s biased towards conservatives. That’s pretty much like arguing the sun is cold.
LIBERAL: I hate the sun! It’s so cold!
NORMAL PERSON: Um… the sun is hot.
LIBERAL: Really? Then give me one example of the sun being hot!
NORMAL PERSON: It’s always hot. Right now, as we’re speaking, the sun is hitting us with its heat.
LIBERAL: It’s not hot; it’s corporate biased… and it’s cold!
Liberals are so stupid. Sometimes I want to burn them with fire — which is hot. Before anyone misconstrues my point, I’m not saying that liberals should be burned with fire, I’m just saying that I find it entertaining when pain is inflicted upon them.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:38 pm#149 MAF54 – There is a special place in hell waiting for you and your ilk.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:39 pmComment by Katie
Katie- Sooo well said. All of the post.
An MSNBC study found that journalists’ political donations are 9 to 1 to Democrats and liberals.
Where journalists money goes means nothing. It is the editors that call the shots, kill stories, assign stories and most importantly EDIT those stories to fit an agenda.
You would know that if you worked with the media or knew anything about them.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:41 pmThis is the first time Ive read a thread all the way down you people are nuts(in a good way)I think we need diversty.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:43 pm#151 Liberals are so stupid. Sometimes I want to burn them with fire — which is hot. Before anyone misconstrues my point, I’m not saying that liberals should be burned with fire, I’m just saying that I find it entertaining when pain is inflicted upon them.
Comment by Frank J
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:44 pmFrank J- Read Chomsky. All news is filtered. It takes a discerning mind to read between it all. None of us are so prepared as to ferrret out all the bull. left and right. Read, Read, Read. Whether liberal or right or indep. We all must make sure we question. It isn’t black and white.
I will pray for your soul when you ask for pain to others.
Comment by Frank J — June 22, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Please. Your post is completely and utterly ridiculous, completely devoid of anything APPROACHING fact! If the media was truly liberal the Bush Crime Family and their henchmen suck-ups who continue to shill for them would get bombarded with tough questions the same way Harry and Marv got jumped by those birds at the end of Home Alone 2.
I’m not even sure why I acknowledged your case of cranial rectumitis with a response, people such as yourself wouldn’t know the truth if it hit you upside the head with a 2×4.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:47 pmLano- There is diversity here. But I’m so diverse I can’t find my left wrist from my right. Lets continue to make this site all that it can be.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:47 pm#134
I am not talking about “caging” voters. I am referring to the Dems in 2000 for example trying to get felons on voter rolls and in many case letting them vote even though Florida law denies it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/samples200404080851.asp
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:48 pmSHUTTLE HAS LANDED.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:50 pm#137
“Should the people’s airwaves be at the mercy of the highest bidder?”
How do you suggest that radio stations pay for their operations is companies don’t buy air time?
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:52 pm“I am not talking about “caging†voters. I am referring to the Dems in 2000 for example trying to get felons on voter rolls and in many case letting them vote even though Florida law denies it.
Comment by Tracy — June 22, 2007 @ 3:48 pm”
There is a DIFFERENCE in arguing that something should be this way and PERFORMING ILLEGAL ACTS!!!!
You FAILED to show how the Dems performed anything illegal…..
Trying to get more voters by making an argument is NOT illegal…..
Preventing people from voting by “caging” IS illegal…
Care to try again???
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:53 pmWe felt the shuttles sonic booms over here. That was cool.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:53 pmThe ratings are only one side of the profit equation. The other side is the cost of content.
This guy should approach Hannity’s syndicator and offer his show to them for a nominal sum. If they still refuse to take it, he might have a case that they are willing to lose money to avoid liberal talk. Somehow I doubt they would.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:57 pmHow do you suggest that radio stations pay for their operations is companies don’t buy air time?
Comment by Tracy
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:57 pmTracy, So true. We really do not have independent radio in America with the exception of PBS, and even the administration has tried to limit content there. It costs a great deal of money to run a station with any wattage. The free marketplace is not totally wrong, but must be balanced with non-partisan assistance which is being eliminated by Bushies.
#11 “a dem president will never happen. There are safeguards in place against such a national security disaster.”
MAF54
Are the safeguards illegal voter tampering and Die-Bold eectronic voting machines?
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:02 pmI think MAF54 not only drinks the koll-aid, but he brews it as well.
No, a better idea is to trace their IP the Homeland Security and have the NSA look into their lives (without a courtorder)
Comment by adam — June 22, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Excellent become what you hate!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:03 pmI am not talking about “caging†voters. I am referring to the Dems in 2000 for example trying to get felons on voter rolls and in many case letting them vote even though Florida law denies it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/ comment/ samples200404080851.asp
Comment by Tracy — June 22, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
BAHAHA, you mean the state which was yelled at because it had incorrectly used a GOP related *scrubbing* company to remove minorities from the roles that had a right to vote – citing that they *might* be felons? You know, if they happen to say, have the same name for instance? Yeah, like two people never exist with the same name…
You f*ckers are such idiots – Tracy. You must be from texas, they grow *everything* bigger there – including *ssh*le lying jerks like you.
Oh, and citing the National Review as a *resource*, is like citing a *press-release* from the whitehouse. You can be *assured* that it’s inaccurate, deceptive, dishonest and full of sh*t – like you – *ssh*le.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:07 pmExcellent become what you hate!!
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Tell that to those that believe we should murder and torture because the terrorists do it (yourself) – hypocrite.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:08 pmI would like to take this opportunity to apologize to everyone on this board for my bad behavior. I am not really as retarded as I seem when I post. I promise to do better in the future.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by Jake — June 22, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
What??????
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:10 pmYou made me look good, now you are going to take that away from me?
The 13th largest radio market, Cleveland, has absolutely no progressive/liberal talkers on the air. We have Jesus & national and local conservative facists, but not one liberal.
I know. I used to be the only liberal on the air in nearby Akron.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:10 pmCongress tried to revive the Fairness Doctrine many times AFTER 1987, and couldn’t get other members to support it. The people didn’t want it and still don’t.
“And yes, TV news networks did abide by the doctrine.â€
No they didn’t. Do you know who Andy Rooney is?
Comment by Tracy
No Tracy, congress tried to revive it one time and George HW Bush threatened to veto it. ONCE. And what does Andy Rooney have to do with the Fairness Doctrine? More anecdotal bullshit from the neocon sheeple.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:11 pmIt’s revenue you idiots. I’ve been a station manager and we would have play animal fart sounds if it paid well.
There simply isn’t the audience for what you offer which is usually anti-american, socialist drivel. It has not and will not ever sell in America.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:12 pmAny chance the lefty’s could actually “compete” or do they now want more government handouts and rules because they can’t compete in the market of free ideas and free speech? You still haven’t answered why you simply can’t get an investment group and start your on programming and your own stations. Why not try actually doing something the American Free Market Democratic way? Why do you have to rely on the government and beg for socialized airwaves?
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:13 pmFrank J- Read Chomsky. All news is filtered. It takes a discerning mind to read between it all. None of us are so prepared as to ferrret out all the bull. left and right. Read, Read, Read. Whether liberal or right or indep. We all must make sure we question. It isn’t black and white.
I will pray for your soul when you ask for pain to others.
Comment by leftcoast
You are too charitible leftcoast. FrankJ can’t even read a study without misinterpreting the data. You want him to understand a book!
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:18 pm“Any chance the lefty’s could actually “compete†or do they now want more government handouts and rules because they can’t compete in the market of free ideas and free speech? You still haven’t answered why you simply can’t get an investment group and start your on programming and your own stations. Why not try actually doing something the American Free Market Democratic way? Why do you have to rely on the government and beg for socialized airwaves?
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 22, 2007 @ 4:13 pm”
Roger, you ignorant tool….
That’s like having 2 people on the same street selling the same thing…. One person sends a bunch of his people over to BLOCK other people from seeing his competitions product, which is the same, and sending them to himself….
Then when the person that is being blocked says “hey how about a little fair play here”, the other person yells “what’s the matter, can’t compete”….
Why are you affraid to have a level playing feild????
Are you that affraid that the only way you can “win” is by cheating and stealing????
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:19 pmThis guy should approach Hannity’s syndicator and offer his show to them for a nominal sum. If they still refuse to take it, he might have a case that they are willing to lose money to avoid liberal talk. Somehow I doubt they would.
Comment by Fluffy — June 22, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
It probably would not work because of the content of liberal talk. Conservative talk usually defend corporations at all cost and this is not something Liberal talk is willing to do. It’s probably more beneficial to these radio stations to have on a lowly rated conservative talker who will defend corporations no matter what they do versus a highly rated liberal talker who won’t do it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:20 pmNo, a better idea is to trace their IP the Homeland Security and have the NSA look into their lives (without a courtorder)
Comment by adam — June 22, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Excellent become what you hate!!
Comment by Tundra
No Trundra, you people would prefer we remain victims.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:22 pmWeird.
He actually LOOKS just like he sounds.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:23 pm88 – I think TP Hate Machine is a little confused.
Here’s the definition of FASCISM: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
Illegal wire taps, ignoring the FISA courts, suspension of habeas corpus, ignoring subpeonas, disappearing people to different countries for the purposes of torture, advocating torture and ingoring the Geneva Convention..etc… etc… etc.
Sound like anyone we know? THAT’S the textbook definition of fascism. TP is living in Bizarro Backwardsland with Chimpy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:24 pmNo Trundra, you people would prefer we remain victims.
Comment by shane — June 22, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
I’ll tell ya what Shane I won’t ever respond to any of your posts again. Quite frankly you generalize and assume way to much for me to carry on a conversation with. I would appreciate the courtesy of doing the same to me.
Thank you!
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:26 pmKatie
What I would like to see is an equal number of progressive talk shows to conservative talk shows. Then you could tell which are the most popular. As long as there are five conservative talks shows to one progressive talk show, people will always be able to say that conservative talk is more popular.
That would be cool, but to get there in the short term it seems the fairness doctrine is the only way to go, as opposed to a longer term market solution of some sort. I think that if we were to use the fairness doctrine it would then be to convenient to use in the future and would take another 25+ years to get rid of like it did the last time.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:26 pmConservatives find the small niche of Talk Radio and all of a sudden there is a need for “A Level Playing Fieldâ€.
Comment by Happy Guy — June 22, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
I didn’t say that at all. I just pointed out the contradiction created by the prevalent conservative position.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:26 pmAny chance the lefty’s could actually “compete†or do they now want more government handouts and rules because they can’t compete in the market of free ideas and free speech?
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 22, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
We’ll all for competition and that’s why these media conglomerates should be broken up. This will allow some of the smaller companies to have access to high frequency channels and lead to more diversity on the air waves.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:26 pmWhat a bunch of left-wing socialist nutjobs. Don’t you have anything better to do than read this lunatic-fringe ThinkRegression blog? Get a life… then get a job, pinkos.
I’m tired of paying for you fools to sit around doing nothing all day but creating ridiculous conspiracy theories about Republicans and lionizing the Socialistcrats trying to institue a failed ideaology onto America.
What are we going to do about the socialist nutjob dominance of our educational system? Of newspapers? Of television? Of Hollywierd? Of ABC? Of NBC? Of CBS? Of PBS?
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:27 pm“We’ll” should be “We’re” in my previous post.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:29 pmKatie,
What I would like to see is an equal number of progressive talk shows to conservative talk shows. Then you could tell which are the most popular. As long as there are five conservative talks shows to one progressive talk show, people will always be able to say that conservative talk is more popular.
Interesting point. I only worry that by “force feeding” a certain type of bias (Either way) that we are forcing a political slant. Shows with no political bias will be pushed around and forced off. Shows without a slant will have people looking at each episode and saying “Married with children is conservative”. With that we may end up mixing programming like “Conservative Cooking” which forces a viewer interested in a fruit cake recepie to hear politics.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:31 pm#175 Your example was wrong. You are trying to force your competition to provide you with air time. That is very unAmerican. How are they blocking you from starting your own programming and opening your own 300+ radio stations? Please explain.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:32 pmI’ll tell ya what Shane I won’t ever respond to any of your posts again. Quite frankly you generalize and assume way to much for me to carry on a conversation with. I would appreciate the courtesy of doing the same to me.
Thank you!
Comment by Tundra
You can’t always get what you want Tundra. But Tundra you can ignore me all you want, after all this used to be a free country.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:36 pm“Interesting point. I only worry that by “force feeding†a certain type of bias (Either way) that we are forcing a political slant. Shows with no political bias will be pushed around and forced off. Shows without a slant will have people looking at each episode and saying “Married with children is conservativeâ€. With that we may end up mixing programming like “Conservative Cooking†which forces a viewer interested in a fruit cake recepie to hear politics.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 4:31 pm”
Tundra, it’s not that difficult……
The one way is to ensure that PRESSURE cannot be put on stations to keep off or put on a certain show….
Let the communities tell the stations what programs they would like to hear…. If a station is already sponsoring a Repub host, goto another station and ask for a competative host….
Unfortunately, that does not happen now under the current situation……
For example, in Phoenix AZ there are SEVERAL Republican stations. The only Dem station was bought by a Repub and the content changed to Repub. So the Dems had to find another station…
Now why do the Repubs need more than ONE station, if not to SUPRESS the Dems voice???
This is just one of MANY examples of what we are talking about.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:36 pmNever mind that Schultz is pretty damned conservative himself….I remember throwing up in my mouth as he was advocating for George W Bullshit on his show before the 2004 election.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:37 pm“Your example was wrong. You are trying to force your competition to provide you with air time. That is very unAmerican. How are they blocking you from starting your own programming and opening your own 300+ radio stations? Please explain.
Comment by Roger_Roger — June 22, 2007 @ 4:32 pm”
See post #188
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:37 pmThe radio station owners treat liberal radio the same way GM treated the electric car. THe y make the car as ugly as sin. This s equal to putting the liberal radio on a crap signal, then they shut it down and say “Nobody likes it” Then like a good bunch of sheep, everybody beleives them.
It is interesting to see over the past couple of days that this IS the number one isses for right wingers. I have been posting here for years and I have never seen anything like the troll turn out for this topic. Nothing else has caused this kind of troll tunr out. Not guns, not abortion, gay marriage, the death penalty, not terrorism, not port seurity. Nothing has gotten this much troll attention ever.
Keep your finger on their button Think Progress, You found it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:44 pm#7: That and a dem president will never happen. There are safeguards in place against such a national security disaster.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
National Security Disaster?????
Let’s see…………………who was the President and what party did he head up on 911?
Oh yeah……………….GWB. A Republican.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pmAtrios points out that Tucker has dismal ratings on MSNBC, and Glenn Beck has the worst set of ratings on prime-time cable news, yet some profound anti-competitive force keeps them on the air. Could it be the same anti-competitive force that threw the highly-rated Donohue show off MSNBC and replaced him with that wacko Savage?
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:48 pm#121: Yes. Get rid of us and you’ll have your own, little echo-chamber for discussing your pretty little progressive ideas without anyone injecting nasty, opposing opinions into the discourse.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 3:00
Kinda like righttard radio and your little teevee show Faux Noise?
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:56 pm“For example, in Phoenix AZ there are SEVERAL Republican stations. The only Dem station was bought by a Repub and the content changed to Repub. So the Dems had to find another station…”
Comment by RemoveBush
You referring to KFNX? I’m in Phoenix too, I know what you mean. I don’t know how Charles Goyette keeps his sanity being on the same frequency with propagandists like Bill O and Savage.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:07 pmMAF54: “Progressive talkers are boring and their politics are what most Americans oppose.”
The pedophile repeats the standard conservative talking point here, but is it true? Go to http://www.pollingreport.com and click on issues and summary tables. In it you will find quantitative data to support the position that the views of most Americans are in line with progressive values across a wide range of issues. Does the pedophile really believe, for example, that the majority of people in San Francisco agree with Michael Weiner Savage, Melanie Morgan or Rush Limbaugh? Please. Those bastards dominate the airwaves in the San Francisco Bay area, one of the most liberal places in the nation.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:18 pmI have listened to conservative talk radio since I was 18 years old. I have watched and read the liberal media as well. There was not a balance between the two untill the last decade or so. I paid damn close attention to it all!! Anyone who thinks that talk radio is unfair and the print and tv media are fair, are ignorant, self centered, uneducated,and blinded by their hatred for those they oppose. I listened to Air America when it was on here in New Orleans(It only lasted a year or so by the way,the free market decided it’s fate,no one was listening but the right for laughs)and was very entertained.I enjoyed listening to all the Bush haters. All I heard was how bad the president is,how awful the economy is,how pathetic the neocons are,and on and on and on. No ideas at all. Just tear down the administration at all cost to the country. Just like the hippies in the 60’s, who are now the majority in Washington. Still without working and sound alternatives to what we have now. Right wing talk takes calls from all points of view. When you listen to Randy(Buffet Eating) Rhodes, you will not hear one voice that opposes hers. Why, because she is a coward. if she were more like Ann Coulter and grow a set, I would respect her a bit more. But they won’t.
And the last fact that the leftist will not bring up is, who is listening to what. Over thirty working people with kids tend to be more conservative, and therefore want to be more informed. They have heard all the same songs over the years on the FM dial and want something new,to be informed and entertained. Kids in college and unemployed people tend to listen to the FM dial. They are to busy sitting around doing nothing and don’t care whats going on in the world. They just want to know what panties Paris Hilton is wearing,or not wearing,and listen to the new tunes. Ask 100 unemployed FM radio people how many Senators there are in the Senate, and I gurantee less than five percent know the answer. Ask that same question to 100 right wing talk show listeners. and I gurantee at least 75 percent know the anwser. Right wing talk radio not only informs the listener,it educates them as well. The only education I received from Air America was how to destroy America incimentally.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:19 pmRight wing talk radio not only informs the listener,it educates them as well. The only education I received from Air America was how to destroy America incimentally.
Comment by Johnny Swank
Right on man! Peace out!
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:23 pmSome thoughts, from a lifelong broadcaster:
the free market is not free, really. I’ve said in jest that if a test-pattern was popular, there would be a test pattern channel. What is happening under the guise of free market, is the exercise of the power the ownership possesses. There is no other way to interpret it. Now, I’m no huge fan of Ed; he’s as vapid as anybody out there, just listen when he speaks about Holy Joe. And this topic is his favorite ax to grind.
America is by and large a land of sheeple. Things scare them, and you often don’t know how. So the pendulum will swing our way when the sheeple begin to be more afraid of government policies than they are now of some six guys in Miami. It’s going to be a long, long process, and I seriously doubt that we have that long.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:26 pmJohnny, those are some sweeping statements. One problem. If everyone was as conservative as you claim, why do the polls say the opposite (see Pollingreport.com) and why are Bush’s ratings in Nixon territory?
Plus, many of your assertions are just plain wrong. Tom Hartman, for example, brings a conservative on to debate almost every day. Which conservative talk show host does that? And, over-30 people with kids, do NOT tend to be more conservative. I don’t know where you get your numbers, but I suspect you pull them out of the cosmos or someplace darker and smellier.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:30 pmDon’t forget Glenn Beck’s shitty show. Lots of markets, very little listenership.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:30 pmI gurantee at least 75 percent know the anwser. Right wing talk radio not only informs the listener,it educates them as well. The only education I received from Air America was how to destroy America incimentally.
Comment by Johnny Swank — June 22, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Will you people please stop taking this whole thing out of context no one is trying to quiet you guys were just asking for more then just the right to listen to I am one of the biggest fans of free speech(I have a big ass mouth) I just would like at least one liberal when Im driving just one.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:32 pmHey Spooge girl. tThere was a link from Matt Drudge that introduced me here,where I plan to make you keep on squeeling like a little girl. People are interested because without the 1st Amendment,even you would not be writting what you do. Freedom of speech and the right to assemble,like we are doing here,is in jeoprady thanks to people like you. Thats why im here.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:35 pmJohnny Skank: “Right wing talk radio not only informs the listener,it educates them as well.”
Is that so? Why then would the majority of listeners of right wing radio still believe Saddam had WMD’s and that Saddam had a role in the 9-11 attack?
Man, you’re a walking, talking demonstration of how right wing radio scrambles peoples’ brains.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:39 pmJohnny Skank: “Freedom of speech and the right to assemble,like we are doing here,is in jeoprady thanks to people like you. Thats why im here.”
“people like you???!!!” Hey, stupid. People like us are not running the Judicial branch and the Justice Department. If you think your freedoms are being threatened, talk to the people responsible for defending the constitution and enforcing the law. Last time I checked, the boss over there was Alberto Gonzolves, so what the hell are you even talking about?
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:43 pmREMOVEBUSH,
Again, your example is wrong. The Dem station SOLD itself which is a business decision and is fine. The new owners are free to put anything they want up. If Pheonix (the market) wants a new Dem station, it should happen. I say put your money were your mouth is. Start your own station there and see if its profitable.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:44 pmRoger: “If Pheonix (the market) wants a new Dem station, it should happen.”
OK, the point of this discussion is that there really isn’t a free market. Radio is being used by corporate conservatives to push a conservative agenda regardless of what the people in a given market want. If we were talking about a free market, conservatives wouldn’t dominate airwaves in an area like San Francisco.
As Schultz says over and over, it’s not about ratings, it’s about ownership.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:48 pm#207 By your rationale, I should be able to start a Dem radio station and get it bought out for a nice profit OVER AND OVER AGAIN. If that is happening, something is wrong. I highly doubt that is happening however. The Market always speaks and gets what it wants. If there is demand for a Dem station, YOU would be a fool not to start one. It is a win win as you either make a very nice operating profit from your mass of listeners or you get bought out for a nice profit from evil corporate America. If that isn’t what happens, then it proves Dems are not wanted by that market.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:53 pmIf we were a nation that would teach our children economics,civics,and responsibility,I gurantee there would be more interest in left wing radio. There are always going to be different points of view. And I like that we can discuss them,left or right. But some faction of goverment decided forty years ago that teaching our children wasn’t a smart thing to do. I believe the democrats were the majority then. America is stupid,plain and simple. Jerry Springer taught us that. What happens is,the uninformed don’t care. They have more exciting choices to entertain them than inform them of what is really important. Like the well being and security of our great country. There are more ignorant people who vote democrat than ignorant people who vote republican. Thats a fact. And to Col. Jack, the majority of the country is conservative,just look at the low poll numbers for congress,worse than Bushs’. If you think the majority of the country wants more abortions,higher taxes, bigger goverment,and the way the public school sytem is running,you are wrong.Go check your facts. Get away from your lefty elitist friends and you might learn something.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:54 pmHey Spooge girl. tThere was a link from Matt Drudge that introduced me here,where I plan to make you keep on squeeling like a little girl. People are interested because without the 1st Amendment,even you would not be writting what you do. Freedom of speech and the right to assemble,like we are doing here,is in jeoprady thanks to people like you. Thats why im here.
Comment by Johnny Swank — June 22, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Wow, glad you came. Another troll for me to kick around. For you to keep me squealing, I would have to be squealing to start with. You people don’t bother me one bit. You are marginal. Nothing more. I don’t know any real republicans like you zombies and our resident trolls from CA will tell you, I live in a hot bed of republicans. None like you people and that is what keeps me going. Knowing you people don’t even make up a precentage of the republican party.
There is hope for this country once we get rid of people like you.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:59 pmJohnny: “And to Col. Jack, the majority of the country is conservative,just look at the low poll numbers for congress,worse than Bushs’. If you think the majority of the country wants more abortions,higher taxes, bigger goverment,and the way the public school sytem is running,you are wrong.Go check your facts.”
Again, I’ve got the facts. You’re the one making things up. If you don’t believe me, go to http://www.pollingreport.com and see for yourself. Only about 20% think abortion should be illegal, a strong majority believes we should raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for universal healthcare, the vast majority of American support the idea of public education, a vast majority favors strong government action to protect the environment and over 70% do not agree with the way this conservative administration has been running things. In short, your belief that most Americans are “conservative” is not fact-based. I suspect you heard it on right-wing radio where they lie in your face very single day.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:04 pmThe Justice Department has been run by idiots on both sides of the aisle. The Judiciary has let us down since they all want to legislate from the bench, not the House! They can’t get what they want,screw you,Iminent Domain, and theres apparently nothing you can do about it. I’m angry at both sides. I am sick of people on both sides defending everything their side does and tearing down the other. Col. Jack, I get it. If John Doe republican was in office as Attorney General,and Gonzales was not,you would find reason to hate him as well. I get it,stupid.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:06 pmSpudge: “You are marginal. Nothing more…”
Ain’t it the truth. Down to about one in four dead-enders. But, he still has this fantasy that the numbers are with him. Very strange.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:07 pmJohnny: “Col. Jack, I get it. If John Doe republican was in office as Attorney General,and Gonzales was not,you would find reason to hate him as well. I get it,stupid.”
You obviously think you get it, but you clearly don’t get it. This is the administration which has eroded constitutional rights and eliminated 800-year old legal precedents. This is the administration which has been breaking the law. They’ve been there 6 years now. Isn’t it time you step up to the plate and hold them responsible for the state of our constitutional rights? Or are you too cowardly to admit you made a mistake in supporting them (assuming you’re not bs-ing about your concern for constitutional rights.)
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:12 pmMarkets are only free to the people who own them.
You’d think this would be obvious to everyone, but it isn’t apparently. I don’t understand why people have such a hard time seeing it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:14 pmWho owns and runs pollingreport.com? I did a little digging and what do you know,a lberal think tank maybe? Did they poll registered voters? I can’t tell,they don’t tell you that. Would that not be important since all the major polls at least do that? Again, ignorant people can vote too. Ignorant people bussed to voting stations and given lunch to vote democrat. Thats American man. The same unregistered voters who could care less, anwsering loaded left wing questions.
Have you seen our tax receipts for the last year by the way. They are bigger and better than expected. The economy is rolling and you want to tax the rich even more? Thats stupid. Even JFK understood the importance less taxes.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:16 pmJohnny: “Even JFK understood the importance less taxes.”
Everything you post is a lame repeat of a right wing distortion. This is a perfect example. If you go back and actually read what JFK said on the subject, he was actually looking to collect MORE revenue from corporations and the wealthy by marginally cutting rates, but eliminating loopholes. Again, your right wing guys have been lying to you. How about this, Johnny: if you think JFK was right in his tax policy, maybe you’d like to return to his lowered rates. Do you even know what they were? His LOWERED corporate rates were at least 15% HIGHER than rates today. His LOWERED rates on the top earners was at about 55%, which is 21% HIGHER than today.
Bottom line: you don’t know what you’re talking about.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:22 pm#161
“Trying to get more voters by making an argument is NOT illegal…..”
Trying to get felons on voter rolls in Florida is most certainly in violation of state election laws!
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:22 pm#164
“The free marketplace is not totally wrong, but must be balanced with non-partisan assistance which is being eliminated by Bushies.”
So you want the government to control the air waves?
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:24 pmAnd, Johnny, Pollingreport is a compilation of all the major poll results from a wide range of polling companies. But, nice try on the “liberal thinktank” argument. It’s just another example of you making things up.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:24 pmTracy: “Trying to get felons on voter rolls in Florida is most certainly in violation of state election laws!”
Republicans have already tacitly admitted that they have engaged on “vote caging” which is a federal crime. Since you’re so consistent in your views, I’m sure this bothers you a great deal.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:27 pmHey Johnny, The Justice Dept is part of the Executive Branch. The Supreme court is part of the Judicial Branch. Turn off the right-wing radio and learn the difference between our branches of gov’t.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:28 pm#167
Again why do you censor your vulgar mouth that you body couldn’t back it up if your life depended on it?
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:28 pmSo you want the government to control the air waves?
Comment by Tracy — June 22, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
The government DOES control the air waves. Have you ever heard of the FCC? Do you people read what you type before you press Post-I Agree?
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:29 pmTracy: “So you want the government to control the air waves?”
Evidently, you see no problem with a small contingent of wealthy corporations controlling the public airwaves. Do you see plutocracy and oligarchy as an American value?
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:30 pmTracy: “Again why do you censor your vulgar mouth…”
Poor Tracy. Her delicate sensibilities have been offended. She’s got the vapors. We’ll have to call off the cotillion.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmTracy has got to be the stupidest fool I’ve ever seen here! you want gov’t to control the airwaves?!? lol!! What an idiot! The airwaves are public property and are regulated by the gov’t! LOL, jesus! These trolls are dumber than rocks! LMAO!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmYou can’t throw facts at the right, they don’t know how to handle them. If Rush or one of the others hasn’t provided the talking points and repetition of bull$hit, they can’t discern fact from fiction or right from wrong.
If you use “thinking” and “neocon” it’s like “compassionate conservative;” a complete oxymoron (or just moron if you like).
Lie, lie, repeat. Lie, lie, repeat. Lie, lie, repeat.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmFood for Thought:
What do most owners of large corporations look like?
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmWhat do owners of the large media conglomerates which currently have a stranglehold on licenses for the “public airwaves” look like?
What do a large percentage of Republicans look like?
What does the demographic look like that experiences almost zero discrimination?
Now let us debunk this pathetic so called study that the Center for American Progress did. It is obvious that they played with the numbers a little bit and introduced us all to the Al Gore fudge math once again. Nice try Liberal wackos that run this Liberal site, but the truth shall set you free, or make look like the idiotic partisan hacks that you are. Now read the truth and educate yourself you silly little liberal hacks.
This is how you fools cooked up your numbers. How sad that Liberals need to lie in order to win anything. Let us see who is the Liberal idiot that denies these facts.
In cooking up their now- infamous report on talk radio’s “imbalance”, what exactly was the Center For American Progress trying to accomplish?
Though your Radio Equalizer has argued the study should be ignored, it’s getting so much attention that its overt flaws need to be addressed.
After the near- total failure of libtalk across the country, do they really believe they can force stations to carry what programmers already know won’t work?
Short of the legislative action Hillary and Boxer are apparently planning, it just isn’t going to happen. Any manager crazy enough to propose a libtalk format for one of their stations would be laughed out of the building.
Interestingly, libtalk still exists, though with few land- based affiliates. But it can be found on both XM and Sirius Satellite Radio, in addition to Internet streaming. Why doesn’t that count?
That’s why the whining is incredible. While your Radio Equalizer and syndicated host Mark Levin (photo right) have already revealed the personal connection one of the report’s authors has to liberal talk radio, a quick glance at the study reveals something else: they’ve greatly downplayed the amount of lefty talk actually airing.
In fact, the mistakes are so obvious, they shatter the study’s credibility. According to the methodology cited on page seven, “hosts were categorized as conservative, progressive/ liberal, or indeterminate/ neither based on self- identification, show descriptions, and listings in Talkers Magazine. Only hosts with evident and near- indisputable leanings were categorized.”
That’s where the survey’s clear bias is exposed: they clearly have a much easier time labelling a “conservative” host than a “progressive” one. The results are comical:
San Francisco’s KGO is listed as featuring only three hours of daily liberal talk! If this refers to Bernie Ward, what about the four hours of hyper- lefty Ray Taliaferro (shown in top- left photo)? Or two hours of liberal- leaning Pete Wilson? Finally, why don’t the 17 hours or more of “progressive” weekend programming count?
The report lists KABC / Los Angeles as featuring no liberal talk, but morning host Doug McIntyre’s four- hour show fits the study’s “progressive” criteria, having sat on the “left” side of the Talk Radio Rumble panel at the recent New York City convention organized by Talkers.
In New York City, why weren’t WOR- AM afternoon hosts Hennican & White listed in the “progressive” column? Ellis Hennican is not shy when it comes to promoting a leftist viewpoint.
In Washington, why isn’t urban talker WOL listed on the liberal side as well? Take a look at the schedule: is there anything unclear about Al Sharpton’s leanings? The same goes for the stations with this format in Detroit, Philly, Chicago and elsewhere.
In addition:
Why was Salem’s lineup listed in the report at all? Like Air America Radio on the left, Salem is a network designed to provide syndicated conservative talk. Should Air America add righty hosts?
In the corporate survey, why leave out other major operators such as Entercom, where Seattle’s KIRO features a considerable amount of lefty programming? Why was ABC Radio omitted? Yes, it did just merge with Citadel, but its stations aren’t listed there, either.
And that’s just scratching the surface in a report that is so full of holes it looks like a fence along the Mexican border
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:38 pm#172
“And what does Andy Rooney have to do with the Fairness Doctrine?”
You said the before 1987 that the TV media abided by the Fairness Doctrine. Rooney is a prime example of CBS being biased and leaning to the left. Not one commentator or news anchor at CBS before 1987 was not politically on the left and slanted their news reports that way. Hell it’s still that way! Dan Rather…..
“ONCE”
Kuchinich announced that he will be tring to revive the doctrine just this year! LOL!
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6408453.html
BTW I am not talking about bills that actually had a chance to be brought before the congress, i.e. the one Bush Sr. threatened to veto. I am referring the multiple attempts by congressmen since 1987 to bring it back.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:44 pmYou’re contradicting yourself. You start out saying libtalk is a failure but than try and classify a bunch of radio talk show hosts as liberals. If they’re failing then why are so many of them on the air?
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:44 pm#175
Tell us again with facts this time that liberals are being “blocked” from talk radio?
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:46 pmYou’re contradicting yourself. You start out saying libtalk is a failure but than try and classify a bunch of radio talk show hosts as liberals. If they’re failing then why are so many of them on the air?
Comment by D. — June 22, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
There is no contradiction buddy. Liberal radio is a failure, AirAmerica is a failure and they are still around, right? Just because Liberal hosts don’t get canceled it doesn’t mean that there are a bunch of Liberal radio hosts that Thinkprogress.org/Central for american progress purposedly left out of their study.
Amazing that this pathetic website has to lie 99% of the time in order to get left wing wackos to agree with it.
The study is beyond flawed, the numbers were cooked up, that’s a fact.
The problem is that Liberals can’t win with the truth, they can’t. Liberals have to lie about what they do, who they are in order to get Americans to believe them and vote for them.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:50 pm#244
No…do you want the governement to control what points of view are heard?
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:52 pm#225
“Evidently, you see no problem with a small contingent of wealthy corporations controlling the public airwaves.”
The listners dictate the sucess or failure of program like Rush’s….not those “evil” corporations. Please.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:53 pmLiberalsarebeneathme. not a single fact in sight. Lies and twisted “logic”, all bullshit, all the time. Your hatred of fredom and democracy puts you on the side of the terrorists, just like Bushco and Cheney, the biggest traitor to America since Benedict Arnold. We’ll be better off in ‘09, when freedom returns to this country with a democratic president and congress. You assholes are in the minority, but your lies and outrageous thievery of the treasury will end and your party will self-destruct, as most Republican politicians and consultants fill the prisons, as is now happening. You don’t deserve the freedom that you’re too much of a coward to fight for.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:55 pm#226
No, I have mind to kick his ass. We once again have a bigot who thinks I am a woman.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:55 pm#227
If you would slow down you will see that I never said I want the gov’t to control the airwave’s point of view content. Go back to sleep.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:56 pmNo, I have mind to kick his ass. We once again have a bigot who thinks I am a woman.
Comment by Tracy — June 22, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
You could use the screen name “Tracy the Guy” the people wouldn’t assume you were a girl.
June 22nd, 2007 at 6:57 pmConservatard: “The problem is that Liberals can’t win with the truth, they can’t. Liberals have to lie about what they do, who they are in order to get Americans to believe them and vote for them.”
This is a classic case of projection. The modern neocon movement’s philosophical “father” is Leo Strauss. Strauss argued that lies must be told to the public, because the public wouldn’t really agree with the aims of a ruling elite. He even referred to them as “noble lies.”
There is no reason for liberal to lie about their intentions. We want universal healthcare (as does the majority of Americans), we want economic justice and lower poverty rates (again, the majority is with us). We want the environment vigorously protected (again, the majority is with us). We want peace and cooperation with other nations (majority with us).
How many conservatives have you seen willing to publically state that they would like to abolish the Department of Education and the EPA?
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:00 pmNo, I have mind to kick his ass. We once again have a bigot who thinks I am a woman.
Comment by Tracy — June 22, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
You could use the screen name “Tracy the Guy†the people wouldn’t assume you were a girl.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 22, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
Well look at Pudgy_boy, so you, Mr. “brave” GI Joe never gave up your name and address. I thought you were a brave Liberal….oh sorry fool….a brave “progressive”.
you know where I live and work, now it is your turn my youngen to show how truly brave you are, GI Joe boy who plays in sandboxes and claims he fought in Iraq.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:01 pmTracy, I would apologize if I thought mistaking you for a woman was an insult. I don’t. Again, classic projection. You think it’s an insult, so you are the bigon, not me.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:03 pmHow many conservatives have you seen willing to publically state that they would like to abolish the Department of Education and the EPA?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
How many Liberals have you seen to openly say that what they want is wealth redistribution and to punish what they consider the rich in America for being succesful and to reward the lazy in America?
shut up you fool, you are a typical moronic spew Liberal talking points Liberal puppet.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:03 pmPhony Clinton wannabe: “you know where I live and work, now it is your turn my youngen to show how truly brave you are, GI Joe boy who plays in sandboxes and claims he fought in Iraq.”
Conservatives shoot liberals. Not the other way around. Does the name Alan Berg ring a bell, dumbass?
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:05 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus,
The National Review cited The Palm Beach Post my unhinged friend.
Get back on our meds.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:05 pmConservatard: “How many Liberals have you seen to openly say that what they want is wealth redistribution and to punish what they consider the rich in America for being succesful and to reward the lazy in America?”
I don’t know of any liberals who want that, Mr. Strawman. Why is it that you conservatards are only hysterical about a downward redistribution, but have nothing to say about upward. Reagan doubled the Social Security tax, a huge SS surplus was built, and then Bush gave most of it to the top 2% in America. Billions were redistributed from the working class to the wealthy and you couldn’t care less.
Oh, and I guess in the pig corral where you live, “shut up you fool” passes as a cogent argument. How tragicomic.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:09 pmThere is no reason for liberal to lie about their intentions. We want universal healthcare (as does the majority of Americans), we want economic justice and lower poverty rates (again, the majority is with us). We want the environment vigorously protected (again, the majority is with us). We want peace and cooperation with other nations (majority with us).
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
Did you come up with this during your wet dreams? while you were masturbating to Nancy Pelosi pictures? how sad that you are such a Liberal puppet that you believe the crap that you spew out.
So, did you find how many Liberals are openly telling the public that the way they will fund universal health care is by wealth redistribution?
yes, most Americans, and I am included there want peace, but real peace. Stupid dumb Liberal puppet, the abscense of conflict doesn’t equal true peace, idiot. How patheticly stupid can you be?
Yes, we want the environment protected, but what Liberals want is to take us back to the pre-industrial and technology area and once again you want to so call protect the environment through wealth redistribution.
anyway, half of the crap that you claim that americans agree with Liberals is from your wet dreams and the voices in your head. I would suggest you wake up and smell reality LIberal puppet.
Liberals need to lie in order for Americans to vote for them. Look at all the promises that they made to the American people before they were elected, now that they are in power, how many of these promises have they kept?
so sorry to burst your bubble. Wake up from your wet dream and realize that you my friend are but a silly puppet and your strings are being pulled by the Liberals.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:09 pmWell look at Pudgy_boy, so you, Mr. “brave†GI Joe never gave up your name and address. I thought you were a brave Liberal….oh sorry fool….a brave “progressiveâ€.
you know where I live and work, now it is your turn my youngen to show how truly brave you are, GI Joe boy who plays in sandboxes and claims he fought in Iraq.
Comment by President Clinton — June 22, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
And this from the guy who I waited for hours for a response from and you never did. If you posted something after I gave up, after waiting for hours, post a link or repost it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:11 pmAllowing people to keep THEIR MONEY is not “giving” anything.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:12 pmConservatard: “How many Liberals have you seen to openly say that what they want is wealth redistribution and to punish what they consider the rich in America for being succesful and to reward the lazy in America?â€
I don’t know of any liberals who want that, Mr. Strawman. Why is it that you conservatards are only hysterical about a downward redistribution, but have nothing to say about upward. Reagan doubled the Social Security tax, a huge SS surplus was built, and then Bush gave most of it to the top 2% in America. Billions were redistributed from the working class to the wealthy and you couldn’t care less.
Oh, and I guess in the pig corral where you live, “shut up you fool†passes as a cogent argument. How tragicomic.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
Hey fool, live in the here and now, you do know that Reagan was President in the 1980s, right?
If you are going to bring old Presidents, why don’t you talk about what Clinton did to the Social Security funds, you silly little fool? Oh that is right, he used whatever funds were left there to fool the American people into believing he was trying to balance the budget. Oh ooops, so much for Liberals caring about Social Security.
and name one thing that any Liberal has done in order to replenish the Social Security funds? c’mon son, you can do it, YOU CAN DO IT!
and there you go with your Liberal talking points, you Liberal puppet, sorry to burst your bubble again, the FACT is that it was the middle class that got the majority of the tax cuts. Tell me, fool, how can the poor in America get tax cuts IF THEY DON’T PAY INCOME TAXES!….
here is a simple question for you….what percentage of income taxes is paid by the top 10% wealthy people in America versus the rest of America?
I would urge you greatly that you do an IRS search before you let the voices in your head answer for you?
Liberals love puppets like you, they adore them, they stick poles up your asses and move you around like a silly puppet.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:16 pmConservatard, your arguments would have a lot more weight if they weren’t pulled out of your anus. I keep pointing this out to you dumbasses: we don’t have to argue about what Americans want. Pollingreport.com has a wide range of polls which reflect American opinion. Go look at them, smart guy. Please look at the facts.
And, again with the projection. Conservatives are the ones with the authoritarian personalities, the ones who need a strong daddy pulling the strings. Conservatives are the ones much more likely to blindly follow leaders. Liberals are, by nature, NOT followers. That’s just one of the reasons why liberals have a hard time agreeing with eachother about candidates and election strategies and conservatives often walk in lock step. It’s also why fascists and dictatorial regimes on the left and the right ALWAYS purge liberals.
The sad thing about you, conservatard, is that you think you know what’s going on, but you’re just making things up.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:16 pmWell look at Pudgy_boy, so you, Mr. “brave†GI Joe never gave up your name and address. I thought you were a brave Liberal….oh sorry fool….a brave “progressiveâ€.
you know where I live and work, now it is your turn my youngen to show how truly brave you are, GI Joe boy who plays in sandboxes and claims he fought in Iraq.
Comment by President Clinton — June 22, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
And this from the guy who I waited for hours for a response from and you never did. If you posted something after I gave up, after waiting for hours, post a link or repost it.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 22, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Unlike you, I have women to cheat with, I have women to abuse and force to have abortions after they threaten to tell my wife Hellary. In other words, I have a life and I never read anything of what you posted silly little youngen.
Now post it again, if you are truly a brave so called progressive and I’ll be glad to respond.
but as I told you, where I work and where I live is public information. Soon it might be the White HOuse, so in a year and a half you may find me there being Hellary’s bitch.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:19 pmConservatard: “the FACT is that it was the middle class that got the majority of the tax cuts. Tell me, fool, how can the poor in America get tax cuts IF THEY DON’T PAY INCOME TAXES!….”
You call me a fool, and yet you don’t understand that the working poor still pay payroll taxes. A self-employed worker in the lowest bracket still pays 15%, dumbass. Do you even get a paycheck? Why don’t you examine it for a moment, Einstien. You may find that “income taxes” are not the only things being withheld. And, you’re still sadly unaware of the fact that the vast majority of the money went to the top 2% in America.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:21 pmPhony Clinton wannabe: “I have women to abuse and force to have abortions…”
The only current politician I know of who forced a girlfriend to get an abortion is George W. Bush.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:22 pmDude I don’t even understand your last post. Try again in English this time.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:23 pmFather of our Country and our only athiest president, George Washington:
“As mankind becomes more liberal they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protection of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations in examples of justice and liberality.â€
You see, conservatards, liberalism is an American value.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:25 pmConservatard, your arguments would have a lot more weight if they weren’t pulled out of your anus. I keep pointing this out to you dumbasses: we don’t have to argue about what Americans want. Pollingreport.com has a wide range of polls which reflect American opinion. Go look at them, smart guy. Please look at the facts.
And, again with the projection. Conservatives are the ones with the authoritarian personalities, the ones who need a strong daddy pulling the strings. Conservatives are the ones much more likely to blindly follow leaders. Liberals are, by nature, NOT followers. That’s just one of the reasons why liberals have a hard time agreeing with eachother about candidates and election strategies and conservatives often walk in lock step. It’s also why fascists and dictatorial regimes on the left and the right ALWAYS purge liberals.
The sad thing about you, conservatard, is that you think you know what’s going on, but you’re just making things up.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
You do pull your crap from your wet dreams after masturbating to pictures of Nancy Pelosi or the voices in your head!
retard, Liberal puppet, you do know that LIberals for the most part have already made up their mind on who they are going to vote in the primary, right? They have AGREED who they are going with, right?
It is Republicans who have NOT AGREED who to vote for and can’t agree on who is the better candidate.
You also do know that it is Republicans who are in complete disagreement over the Amnesty Immigration Bill, right? ON the other hand, Democrats are in complete agreement.
No my friend, Liberals by nature are blind followers, they are also blind haters and they love being puppets.
Liberals walk in lock-step. All Liberals agree that homosexuals should have special rights that the rest of Americans don’t enojoy. All Liberals agree that abortion should remain legal.
I mean retard, you go and quote me polls that clearly show that all Liberals agree and then you, like a poorly educated fool, claim that Liberals don’t agree on things.
how dumb and stupid can a Liberal be? just read Ret. Col. Jack Ripper posts.
the poor fool can’t even see how much he contradicts himself.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:26 pmThomas Jefferson: ““I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. â€
See, conservatards, worshipping corporate power is not an American value.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:27 pmFather of our Country and our only athiest president, George Washington:
“As mankind becomes more liberal they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protection of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations in examples of justice and liberality.â€
You see, conservatards, liberalism is an American value.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
That is how little you know, you believe that this founding father was speaking of your Liberalism. Notice that one is capitalize and the other one is not.
you poor Liberal puppet. I would pray for you, but you might start melting.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:28 pmSorry pudgy_boy,
Monica was giving me a blow job and I was trying to type while I was in my own heaven.
Now what I said was……type what you typed the other day and I’ll answer you. got it?
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:29 pmIt’s obviously right-wingers don’t listen to logic, facts or reason. It’s all ideology. If lowering taxes and privatizing SSI would improve the USA, I would be all for it. The facts are that we as a nation have to pay taxes in order for the gov’t to continue to run. Social Security is a successful social insurance program that’s been around for 70 years but they want to privatize it because it’s SOCIALISTIC!. ok, but does it work? They never even think to ask that question.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:31 pmI’d swear The GOP is schizophrenic. They want a border put up on the Mexican border, they want to send troops to Iraq for the next 50 years, BUT they don’t want higher taxes to pay for it.
Conservatard: “I mean retard, you go and quote me polls that clearly show that all Liberals agree and then you, like a poorly educated fool, claim that Liberals don’t agree on things.”
OK, I can see that critical thinking is not your strong suit so let’s go slowly here. I said it was hard to get liberals to agree on candidates and election strategies. And the polls I cited were about how the American people poll on issues, not strictly liberals.
You’re not making sense, conservatard. You’re getting hysterical because you’re being beaten silly by the facts. All you have is invective and made up distortions. If you’d like, I can use smaller words for you. You seem to need that. You’re brain has been so fried by right-wing distortion that you clearly can’t think straight.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:31 pmThomas Jefferson: ““I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. â€
See, conservatards, worshipping corporate power is not an American value.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
I can also make up quotes!
let’s play this fun game.
Ret. Col. Jack Ripper said, “Yes, I am a poor puppet that is being manipulated by the Liberals in America. I love it when the left in America sticks a pole up my ass and moves me around like their puppet.”
you see Ret. Col. Jack Ripper, even you agree with me.
thank you.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:31 pmConservatard: “I mean retard, you go and quote me polls that clearly show that all Liberals agree and then you, like a poorly educated fool, claim that Liberals don’t agree on things.â€
OK, I can see that critical thinking is not your strong suit so let’s go slowly here. I said it was hard to get liberals to agree on candidates and election strategies. And the polls I cited were about how the American people poll on issues, not strictly liberals.
You’re not making sense, conservatard. You’re getting hysterical because you’re being beaten silly by the facts. All you have is invective and made up distortions. If you’d like, I can use smaller words for you. You seem to need that. You’re brain has been so fried by right-wing distortion that you clearly can’t think straight.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
You can’t be this stupid, can you?
Liberals have already agreed on who their next Presidential candidate is going to be. They have also agreed on how to go about defeating the Republican candidate and how to pick up more seats in both houses of Congress.
It is Republicans, you retard that have not agreed and can’t agree on anything beside the fact that Liberals in America are part of the problem and not the solution. Other than this, they can’t agree on border control, they can’t agree on how to finish Iraq, what special rights homos should have, etc, etc.
I mean name the Guliani, McCain, Aaarrrnold equilants of your party, you fool?
wow, it is obvious that your IQ stands below an eighty. Once again, I would pray for you, but you will start melting.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:34 pmConservatard, Washington and the majority of the founders were speaking of liberalism as it is expressed by the philosophers of the Enlightenment. Their philosophical enemies were those who are now considered the fathers of conservatism. But, even the most conservative of the founders were far to the left of your philosophy. You need to crack open a history book not edited by objectivists or dominionists – that is if you even know what I’m talking about. You probably don’t.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:35 pmConservatard: “I mean name the Guliani, McCain, Aaarrrnold equilants of your party, you fool?”
There is far more diversity among Democrats than republicans. Guiliani will never be nominated with your born-again maniacs in control. Arnold can’t run by law. McCain has flipped and flopped so much you don’t know where he stands. But, beyond them, where is the diversity? Can you go on. Dems run the gammut from anti-abortion, pro-gun conservatives like Tester to far-left liberals like Kuchinich. We’ve got centrists like Hillary Clinton and leftists like Lynn Woolsey. You’ve got a buncy of white guys who don’t believe in evolution.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:40 pmConservatard: “Once again, I would pray for you, but you will start melting.”
Don’t waste your time talking to yourself. I don’t need your help.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmConservatard, Washington and the majority of the founders were speaking of liberalism as it is expressed by the philosophers of the Enlightenment. Their philosophical enemies were those who are now considered the fathers of conservatism. But, even the most conservative of the founders were far to the left of your philosophy. You need to crack open a history book not edited by objectivists or dominionists – that is if you even know what I’m talking about. You probably don’t.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
Oh man, you are even dumber than I thought. Poor you, where did you go to school, Clown University? obviously you did. Oh no wait, you went to Liberal American University, right? and now you spew the crap that your Liberals professors ordered you to spew. poor fool.
Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, etc would be appauled today at how Liberals have succesfully and willing taken out of our society God.
If you truly knew any history you would know that they all knew and believed that God is an important component to a succesful government and nation. Now they didn’t want a theocracy, but they knew that without God, the USA would be a failure.
Now name me how many Liberals believe this?
Furthermore, if by Liberalism you say that sadly enough our founding fathers believed that slavery was ok, then I would agree with you, since the Democratic party fought for slavery and even as late as the 1960s Democrats like Al Gore’s dad, current Senatore Byrd, etc fought hard againt the Civil Right Bills, then I would agree then on this, I would agree.
other than that, our founding fathers don’t have one thing in common with the Liberals of today.
George Washington would put a bullet inside of you, and all the Liberals in America if he knew what you have tried to do and done with this great nations of ours.
It is obvious that it is you that needs to crack opn a history book that hasn’t been written by revisionist.
I pity you my kid, i truly do.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmNow what I said was……type what you typed the other day and I’ll answer you. got it?
Comment by President Clinton — June 22, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Dude we were typing for hours in hundreds of posts.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:43 pmConservatard: “I mean name the Guliani, McCain, Aaarrrnold equilants of your party, you fool?â€
There is far more diversity among Democrats than republicans. Guiliani will never be nominated with your born-again maniacs in control. Arnold can’t run by law. McCain has flipped and flopped so much you don’t know where he stands. But, beyond them, where is the diversity? Can you go on. Dems run the gammut from anti-abortion, pro-gun conservatives like Tester to far-left liberals like Kuchinich. We’ve got centrists like Hillary Clinton and leftists like Lynn Woolsey. You’ve got a buncy of white guys who don’t believe in evolution.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is more diversity in the Democratic party than in the Republican party?
that is why individuals like Liberman had to leave your party, right? that is why Zell Miller was mocked by his own Democratic party, right?
please son, stop it, you are making me laugh hard with your complete and utter ignorance.
Diversity for a LIberal is…..a Liberal white woman, Liberal asian woman, a Liberal latino woman, a LIberal latino man, liberal asian man, Liberal black man, etc. I am sure you get the picture since you are a Liberal.
Diversity of ideas is not something that Democrats know or care about.
stop fooling yourself fool.
Liberals go after any candidate in their party that doesn’t walk in lock step with their Liberal ideology.
get your head out of the ground, naive puppet of the Liberals.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:45 pmHaven’t read entire thread, but:
re: #8 I don’t buy this one. Radio station owners would have their mothers diary read if it would make them more money.
Pushing conservative radio is in their interests. Period.
Securing the source for the money well is just as important to making it. IOW power is as important as money. These are the big 2 or 3 interests in the nation that are controlling programming. They want to be able to secure their interests and the GOP is ideologically aligned w/ their interests.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmNow what I said was……type what you typed the other day and I’ll answer you. got it?
Comment by President Clinton — June 22, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Dude we were typing for hours in hundreds of posts.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 22, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Yes, i think we got up to 300 posts in one thread, right?
anyway guy, don’t take it personal, half of the time, as you well know I am talking out of my ass.
I wish that America wasn’t so divided. Yes I know you think it is conservatives and that I think it is Liberals. At the end, I just wish we weren’t so divided and that Liberals and Conservatives didn’t think so badly of each other.
Oh well, let us raise a glass of wine, oh shit, a bottle of the best Summerfest Samuel Adam to the next Civil War, Liberals against Conservatives.
but you have to agree, Conservatives would win. You have too many love/peace hippies in your party.
:)
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmComment by President Clinton — June 22, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
You know we’d probaly get along just fine in real life. It actually might be fun. A lot of people just aren’t politically active at all. I think those people are worse than you or I with our opinions. At least we care what happens to the country. So many people just don’t.
I think both of us agree that the problem in Washington is really Washington itself.
And as far as Sam Adams goes. I will raise one with you.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:51 pmConservatard: “I mean name the Guliani, McCain, Aaarrrnold equilants of your party, you fool?â€
There is far more diversity among Democrats than republicans. Guiliani will never be nominated with your born-again maniacs in control. Arnold can’t run by law. McCain has flipped and flopped so much you don’t know where he stands. But, beyond them, where is the diversity? Can you go on. Dems run the gammut from anti-abortion, pro-gun conservatives like Tester to far-left liberals like Kuchinich. We’ve got centrists like Hillary Clinton and leftists like Lynn Woolsey. You’ve got a buncy of white guys who don’t believe in evolution.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 22, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Bunch of white guys? wow…I guess you have never heard of Alan Keys, Dr. Condi Rice, Michael Steele, Alberto Gonzalez and many other minorities who belong to the Republican party and have been or are currently in very powerful appointed positions of our government thanks to a REPUBLICAN President. Who have all been called oreos by the Liberals in America, who have all been called either an Aunt Jemima, or an Uncle Toms and many other racist insults for being people of color, or Latinos that don’t walk in lock step with the Democratic party and Liberal ideology.
and here is a clue for you, none of the Clintons have ever been centrist. You had a few centrist and either they left your party or you voted them out of power. Liberman and Zell Miller being the first that come to mind.
once again, your are one ignorant Liberal puppet. so sad to be you.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:53 pmConservatard: “George Washington would put a bullet inside of you, and all the Liberals in America if he knew what you have tried to do and done with this great nations of ours.”
You don’t know anything about George Washington. Even though the British were torturing colonists for consorting with revolutionaries, Washington wouldn’t allow any of his men to mistreat a British prisoner. He wanted Americans to stand for justice and fairness. Compare that to your bastard, piece of shit president who has stomped all over our constitution.
George Washington was one of the most liberal of all the Founders. He was an athiest, you sorry excuse for a human being. That’s it. You have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Arguing with you is like arguing with a petulant brat. Now, you start stinking up the reputation of a great man, someone we should all revere as an originator of what it means to be an American. You’re about as unamerican as you can get and you don’t even realize it. You’re not worth the effort.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:54 pm“Right wing talk takes calls from all points of view. When you listen to Randy(Buffet Eating) Rhodes, you will not hear one voice that opposes hers.”
Comment by Johnny Swank
Looks like we got another victim of cranial rectumitis. You obviously haven’t listened to Randi Rhodes for more than ten minutes, or you would know that wackos like you that call into her show get put at the FRONT of the line! Then she brilliantly exposes the people of your ilk for the ignorant sheeple that they (you) are.
I seem to recall there was a study that came out not too long ago that pointed out that it was the RIGHT-WING blowhards who by and large did not accept opposing points of view, especially Insannity. Get your facts straight instead of repeating what you’re spoonfed.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:54 pm“Bunch of white guys?”
Oh come on, even you know that was lame.
Hillary Clinton and Barrak Obama are white guys.
Come on. That was lame.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:55 pmComment by President Clinton — June 22, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
You know we’d probaly get along just fine in real life. It actually might be fun. A lot of people just aren’t politically active at all. I think those people are worse than you or I with our opinions. At least we care what happens to the country. So many people just don’t.
I think both of us agree that the problem in Washington is really Washington itself.
And as far as Sam Adams goes. I will raise one with you.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 22, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
I am sure, I have many Liberal friends and we get into it deep and we have our shouting matches, but guess what, I married a Liberal woman, gorgeous, beautiful smart, intelligent, amazing, and yes very Liberal!
I am sure we would get along just find.
Yes, the problem in Washington is the politicians. We need a new breed of politicians, neither party is listening to their base and they are both in a lot of trouble. I truly believe, as much fun as I make of Clinton, he was a very smart politician, I could careless for his policies, but the man knew to at least pretend to listen to the American people, you know.
Yes, the problem with the American people is that there is so much apathy, it drives me nuts when I talk about politics and people turn me off and they rather talk sports, etc, etc.
Yes, we need more people like you and me that are more active in politics and that no matter their ideology, that they cared about America.
I am sure that you love the USA and while I think you are wrong for being a Liberal, at least you love this nation enough to try to push for the ideology that you believe is best for it. Too many people just don’t care.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by Liberalsarebeneathme
Project much? I’m not even gonna comment about your ignorant, hypocritical ranting, your name tells me all I need to know. (eyeroll)
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:58 pmComment by Liberalsarebeneathme — June 22, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
ooops, gave away who I am, eh? oh well.
June 22nd, 2007 at 7:59 pm“Yes, we need more people like you and me that are more active in politics and that no matter their ideology, that they cared about America.”
And this is what I will raise my Sam Adams to.
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:29 pmSo much blather from people who know nothing about radio. As a part of the first community activists that tried to do “community talk”, Ed Schultz is falling into the false debate of conservative syndicators. News Talk stations that suceed don’t brand themselves as conservative. We know they’re dominated by conservative talkers, but they are able to sell themselves as a-political news talk. Most listners, and almost all advertisers don’t want to be politically branded believe it or not. Conservative news talk stations have the upper hand here. A conservative news/talk station will in almost all cases dominate a progressive talk station, but the same can be said of a progressive news/talk station over a conservative talk only station. Branding the station with a political moniker seriously limits the level of sucess that station can achieve without being seen as a service oriented news station. Thems the facts, political fanboys should get a fucking clue.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pmEd is right, market forces do not power the mighty right wing wurlitzer, ideology does. Bring back the fairness doctrine.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:22 pmEd Schultz? Yuck. I’m a progressive, and he doesn’t say anything useful I want to hear. In fact, I pay for XM radio and I really resent that he’s in the 12 to 3 spot instead of Tom Hartmann.
This may have been discussed earlier in this thread, but after reading a few waste-of-time posts from trolls, I had to give up reading any other comments… many, I’m sure, were worthwhile.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 amSwell.
When the right wing attacks it’s nice to know we have people like you.
I guess you didn’t want to hear Harry Reid, Wes Clark, John Sweeny, Dennis Kucinich, John Edwards, or Russ Feingold this last week.
We are fighting the same fight; quit being a hater for hater’s sake.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 am#8 I don’t buy this one. Radio station owners would have their mothers diary read if it would make them more money.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
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Sorry I’m so late to this convo … Tundra probably posted what many people think is correct. However, the FACTS regarding airing of liberal/progressive vs. neocon/conservative programming shows completely the opposite except in a few cases with (gasp!) ClearChannel which has recognized the tremendous desire for and ability of progressive talk to bring in audiences and revenue. Ed is spot on. And a big kudos to the Center.
In market after market where progressive/liberal talk has beaten Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, etc., the corporatacry, conservatives, and religious wrong (sic) CAN’T STAND another voice, the voice of truth and fact, and have shut down stations offering liberal/progressive voices, often buying up stations, so I guess it is ‘revenues,’ per se but not in advertising shares, audience share, etc.
So in Phoenix, for example, the prior liberal/progressive station was taken over by a FIFTH conservative religious station in that market. (These people must be on the fast track to hell, huh?) Many other markets have been taken over by yet another sports talk station. The local community in Phoenix fought back (as they did in Madison) to bring progressive/liberal talk back at KPHX. And what about Boston? They’re isn’t a liberal market in beantown? Are you effing kidding me?
And who has the story about the station in Ohio where the staff of the progressive station actually were LOCKED OUT by some conservative insider while the station was up and running AirAmerica?
And if you missed it, during Friday’s show, Schultz apparently had a call to go onto H&C that evening but when he found out that Hannity wasn’t going to be on he told his producer to call back the show and reschedule for when the “A Team” would be on–otherwise, it was a no-go. I couldn’t agree more. I’ve always thought the combo for that show should be Hannity and (James) Carvel–we could watch their veins pop and heads explode in that (ahem) tete-a-tete. Talk about entertainment!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:34 amEd Schultz a cool dude.
I live in Southern California and spent the past ten years traveling the Dakota’s and mid west on business.
I had no idea he broadcasted from Moorehead/Fargo.
I took a lotta shit up there, in awierd way I respect and understand them more now….because of Ed.
We all are American, I don’t want to kill Indians and Arabs like those I visited, but I get it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:00 amThe public air waves exist for the common good, and yet when Conservatives have controlled the air waves, they’ve broadcasted for their own (Corporate) good and discouraged the free flow of ideas. Conservatives manage media as they manage their websites: Conservative trolls post freely on progressive blogs like Think Progress, yet liberals are blocked from posting on comparably popular conservative blogs (like Free Republic).
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:49 amPlease tell me that Ed Schultz’s radio show isn’t one of the most popular. Please.
There is no way he’s a progressive either. Far from it!
Ed Schultz doesn’t represent liberals. Come one. I can’t even stand to listen to him. Can we defend someone worth defending?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:26 amI noticed that the percentage of conservitive verses liberal talk radio in NY was just about even on the map posted yesterday, well that’s not so in upstate NY, maybe in the city but not up here in the sticks. We have ONLY rightwing talking heads, from 9:00 am on into the night.
If you live in the city or Ithica NY, you have a choice, other wise it’s Right talk radio or NPR
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:15 amIts a free-market. There going to put on whoever gets the most listeners. Obviously the talk-radio listening community in pro dominantly conservative. The people choose.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 pm#223
Absolutely! I am just getting tired of many here painting Democrats as saints. They are as dirty as they come.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:08 pm#242
Well shane could put “shane the girl”….couldn’t she? I remember her telling someone that they were basically stupid for assuming she was a man because of her screen name. It’s real easy….don’t assume.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:12 pm#245
I don’t consider it to be an insult but it would make your life alot easier if you wouldn’t assume.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:15 pm#248
Don’t worry TPs #1 trash mouth is done in this thread. He chimes in to insult people the runs to other threads to do more of TP’s dirty work.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:19 pmKman laughs at the chester da molester Maf54. LOL
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:39 pmLiberals get screwed on radio and cable . They have one Lib, KOlbermann) they have a dozen or more.
Its because cons represent corporate power and the elite wealthy class. They represent the owners.
We dont We Libs refuse to brownnose and smooze rich folks. They can pay for that. The regular folks are represented by Libs.
In market after market where progressive/liberal talk has beaten Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, etc., the corporatacry, conservatives, and religious wrong (sic) CAN’T STAND another voice, the voice of truth and fact, and have shut down stations offering liberal/progressive voices, often buying up stations, so I guess it is ‘revenues,’ per se but not in advertising shares, audience share, etc.
Comment by Sandy — June 23, 2007 @ 12:34 am
You ought to be slamming the liberals for selling to the conservatives. Liberals are free to buy and run stations just like conservaties do. Then they can devote all the time they want to liberal programming. Wonder what’s stopping em? Maybe the hope that they can use the government to force other stations to give them time? You know, what’s yours is mine and all that. ;)
June 24th, 2007 at 12:14 amI saw a statistic that 90% of radio stations are owned by “conservatives.” Saw another article that noted that a radio station will either be liberal/progressive or conservative. They do not mix their hosts and keep with one political view. If in fact this is the case, then the number of nonconservative hosts may not be an indication of anything other than political orientation of the ownership.
June 24th, 2007 at 10:41 amIf it was the other way around, and the airwaves were choked with Progressive propaganda, we liberals would be the first to demand airwave fairness.
And if Gore won like Bush did, we’d have demanded a new election.
June 24th, 2007 at 5:11 pmSo let me get this straight libs…. You complain that the country is on the verge of fascism because big business and this administration will do anything for a buck (including go to war). Now you are saying that this radio fairness doctrine has nothing do do with money?!?!? Can’t have it both ways.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:22 pm“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.†– Joseph Goebbels
June 25th, 2007 at 5:08 amInteresting article sees Hillary talking about this 3 years ago….
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285933,00.html
“There’s this crazy thing called the market,” Bozell said. “It’s not to
say liberal talk radio has not been in existence. It’s been tried over
and over again, whether it’s … Mario Cuomo or Doug Wilder or Jim
Hightower or Air America and Al Franken and every single time, it’s a
miserable failure because there’s no market appetite.”
Air America — the liberals’ most prominent effort to counter
conservative talk radio, called “talk radio for progressive patriots” —
has featured big names like Al Franken and Jeanine Garofalo. But that
venture filed for bankruptcy last fall in an effort to reorganize. It
was officially taken over by Green Family Media in March and then could
be heard on 70 affiliates reaching a weekly audience of 1.7 million
listeners, according to its Web site. It was producing 19 hours of
original programming daily.
It recently revamped its voice and relaunched Air America 2.0, saying
the likes of Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama would be just a few
of its celebrity guests.
Some of the bigger liberal voices on the airwaves in general include:
Thom Hartmann from “The Thom Hartmann Show;” Stephanie Miller of Jones
Radio Networks; Karen Hunter of WWRL in New York; FOX News’ Alan Colmes;
and Steve Malzberg of WABC in New York.
But in many major markets at the local level, Bozell said, progressives
are put on the air after liberals raise a ruckus their viewpoint isn’t
being heard. But more often than not, he said, “It absolutely bombs and
that’s why they’re not on the air.”
He added: “Look at Air America. What more can I say?”
The Center for American Progress released a report Thursday that
identified 75 talk show hosts as either conservative or progressive
(liberal). Of those 75, 53 were identified as conservative (71 percent),
while 22 (29 percent), were identified as progressive.
“The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio” confirmed that talk
radio, one of the most widely used media formats in America, is
dominated by conservatives. It also raised questions about whether
public radio broadcasts are serving the listening needs of Americans.
June 25th, 2007 at 10:20 amI am surprised how the right wing nuts can write comments when their heads are so buried in the ir respective a**es. I guess there is hope for all retarded people in America. Go Eddie -continue to talk straight.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:32 pm