ThinkFast: June 22, 2007
ThinkFast: June 22, 2007
“House Judiciary Committee Democrats warned yesterday they would pursue a contempt of Congress motion if the White House fails to respond to subpoenas for testimony and documents” related to the U.S. attorney scandal by June 28. “If the White House does not comply, it opens the possibility of a constitutional showdown between the two branches.”
29: Percentage of Americans who say the U.S. is winning the war against terror networks.
“The recent rise in U.S. troop deaths in Iraq is the ‘wrong metric’ to use” in assessing the effectiveness of escalation, outgoing Joint Chiefs chairman Gen. Peter Pace said yesterday. “[I]t’s not about levels of violence. It’s about progress being made, in fact, in the minds of the Iraqi people, so that they have confidence in their government in the way forward.”
Asked about the National Archives’ effort to have the Justice Department determine whether Vice President Cheney is exempt from an executive order designed to safeguard classified information, a DOJ spokesman said, “This matter is currently under review in the department.”
Pollution and smog standards are “too weak to protect people from the air they breathe,” EPA administrator Stephen Johnson said Thursday. Yet, “under pressure from big business,” Johnson ignored the recommendations of EPA scientific experts and “left the door open to keeping the rules as they are.”
In a “rebuke to President Bush,” “House Democrats narrowly passed a measure yesterday to provide contraceptives to overseas organizations that had been banned from receiving foreign aid because they provided or promoted abortion.”
Congressional leaders yesterday released a “Greening the Capitol” report, which listed “recommendations to make the House carbon-neutral by the end of the 110th Congress. It also called for a 50 percent reduction of energy consumption in 10 years.”
A House committee voted yesterday to give the Food and Drug Administration “more power to monitor the side effects of medicines after they reach the market,” though lawmakers also “lowered the potential fines for failure to comply with FDA directives to $50 million from $100 million after Republicans complained they were too high.”
And finally: A dozen Senators celebrated the first day of summer yesterday by donning seersucker outfits. Sen. Mel Martinez (R-FL) “made the unpardonable sin of wearing black shoes” with his outfit. Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS), wearing matching pink socks and tie set, boasted that he was “looking good.” “The clear fashion winner, though, was the debonair Sen. John Warner (R-VA), who accessorized his suit with a red tie and brown and white spats.” See photos here and here.
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“If the White House does not comply, it opens the possibility of a constitutional showdown between the two branches.â€
Now that I’d like to see. For a change, the ‘lords’ going into combat rather than the ‘peasants’… Might actually get the 18-25 year old demographic interested in politics.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:15 am“29: Percentage of Americans who say the U.S. is winning the war against terror networks.”
The view from underneath their beds is pretty deceiving…
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:16 amDo these networks include FOX and CNN?
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:16 amImpeachment is off the table = bushco is above the law!
looks like we are gonna have some very shitty years ahead of us……
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 amSen. Trent Lott (R-MS), wearing matching pink socks and tie set, boasted that he was “looking good.â€
Oh, goodie! That should look nice while he’s putting up that electric fence.
Trent, after you get that fence charged, piss on it. That should match the pink tie & socks nicely.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 amA dozen Senators celebrated the first day of summer yesterday by donning seersucker outfits.
Calling Al Franken… there’s another picture of Norm Coleman looking like the village idiot.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:18 am“Congressional leaders yesterday released a “Greening the Capitol†report, which listed “recommendations to make the House carbon-neutral by the end of the 110th Congress. It also called for a 50 percent reduction of energy consumption in 10 years.—
Perhaps THIS will convince Al Gore to join the race now? :D
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:18 amThey can call contempt all they want. The Executive is a sovereign branch of the government and they do not have to bow to the whims of the legislative body.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:18 am“29: Percentage of Americans who say the U.S. is winning the war against terror networks.”
Funny thing, that matches Bush’s popularity score. It’s very scary to know that 29% of our population are terminally stupid or terminally greedy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 amOh, goodie! That should look nice while he’s putting up that electric fence.
Comment by Zimzone — June 22, 2007 @ 9:17 am
That’s hilarious!
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:21 am“Asked about the National Archives’ effort to have the Justice Department determine whether Vice President Cheney is exempt from an executive order designed to safeguard classified information, a DOJ spokesman said, “This matter is currently under review in the department.—
“This matter is currently being ignored by the department.” There, I fixed that quote. If anyone things that this compromised Justice Department is going to do anything to embarrass Chaney, I have a bridge to sell you. Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:23 amThe Executive is a sovereign branch of the government and they do not have to bow to the whims of the legislative body.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:18 am
Is it that you haven’t read the Constitution, ever – or that you cannot comprehend what you read?
I’ll help you out. There are three branches of government that are EQUAL to one another for the purpose of oversight and balance. This means that they are all answerable to one another and none is sovereign, as you suggested.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:23 amRamboTroll reports to ‘unbelievable’:
Our military is all-volunteer. Liberals happen to be those with the policy drafting specifically the “18-25 year-old demographic” into combat. We ask, what’s next from them? Devising a draft policy on the youngins’ based on the income bracket of their families?
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:23 am#4: It’s not about what’s legal and illegal. It’s all about what’s right and wrong. You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs and that’s how this Executive is taking care of business: some laws may have to be broken and some evil people will not get to enjoy the due process of law, but by God we will be safer that way.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:26 amOur military is all-volunteer.
Not exactly… It’s your choice whether or not to volunteer to sign up, but from there, the choice to let you out has nothing to do with you.
Liberals happen to be those with the policy drafting specifically the “18-25 year-old demographic†into combat.
People are being drafted? By a group of people who are generally against war as anything but a last resort to DEFEND yourself? LOL. That’s really funny.
We ask, what’s next from them? Devising a draft policy on the youngins’ based on the income bracket of their families?
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 9:23 am
You didn’t get the memo? That’s already the Republican strategy… I mean strategery. See Iraq for proof.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 am#12: It may say so in the Constitution, but that is for the peace time. There are historical precedents clearly indicating that when the nation is at war, the executive should be running things.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:28 amDevising a draft policy on the youngins’ based on the income bracket of their families?
Haven’t you been paying attention to liberal blogs? Every time the Iraq war and the casualty numbers come up, some liberal left-wing jerk starts screaming about how Jenna Bush (or some other kid of a prominent Republican/Industrialist) should be shipped off to Iraq.
That’s exactly what they’d do if they . They’d start drafting people based on their parents income – just to punish those parents who are well off. It’s all part of the class war and general envy of the left. You know, if you’ve got money (unlike them), at least you should lose your kids in a war.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:31 amMAF54, so the constitution is a ‘peace time’ document eh? Where in the hell do they find you people?
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 amIt’s not about what’s legal and illegal. It’s all about what’s right and wrong.
Actually, legality is about establishing right and wrong, and the consequences for choosing wrong.
Did you sleep through your high school Government class?
You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs and that’s how this Executive is taking care of business: some laws may have to be broken and some evil people will not get to enjoy the due process of law, but by God we will be safer that way.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:26 am
You’re comparing breaking eggs to killing people? How very compASSionate of you…
If you truly believe this, you live in the wrong country. Our Constitution does not adopt your cowardly stance. In fact, there isn’t a single Founding Father that didn’t subscribe to the notion that anyone who would give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserves neither.
Our Founding Fathers would be ashamed of your fear.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 amMAF54;
Are you a scared little bed wetter? You know that Islam is growing faster than Christianity?
And that when the big war comes, you and your crusading white fat asses don’t stand a chance? We know the atheists in America pose no threat, and we will leave them alone once Christianity is wiped off the planet. BUHAHAHAHHAHAAHA!
MAF You’re a bed wetting little girl. And we’re coming for you!
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 amIt may say so in the Constitution, but that is for the peace time. There are historical precedents clearly indicating that when the nation is at war, the executive should be running things.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:28 am
No, the Commander-in Chief should be running the war. But the Legislative Branch still has an equal say in whether or not there is a war and whether or not to fund it.
War has never been declared by Congress, therefore, wartime precients do not apply at present.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 am#18: They don’t find us. We are here all the time – we stand up in defense of this country when our interests or even our very survival are in danger both because of you liberals and/or a foreign threat.
#19: Pfft. Founding Fathers didn’t face suitcase nukes and suicide bombers.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 amRamboTroll responds:
“Not exactly… It’s your choice whether or not to volunteer to sign up, but from there, the choice to let you out has nothing to do with you.”
At least we can still make a choice from the get-go. The Vietnam war started by Democrats, along with their reinstatement of the draft never provided that option.
“People are being drafted? By a group of people who are generally against war as anything but a last resort to DEFEND yourself? LOL. That’s really funny.”
You support a reinstatement of the draft, don’t you? Democrats invented it.
“You didn’t get the memo? That’s already the Republican strategy… I mean strategy. See Iraq for proof.”
It’s the Republican strategy to voluntarily recruit. It’s the Democratic strategy to reinstate the draft to put kids in uniform simply because their parents are rich.
You know, the military does have good educational and economic benefits.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:37 am#20: I’m perfectly aware that the scourge of a terrorist organization also known as “islam” is spreading fast. It’s festering in our immigration centers, inner cities and university campuses. It is an existential struggle and I’m just hoping that it won’t be too late when you wake up and realize the extent of this threat and start fighting it, too.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 amEvery time the Iraq war and the casualty numbers come up, some liberal left-wing jerk starts screaming about how Jenna Bush (or some other kid of a prominent Republican/Industrialist) should be shipped off to Iraq.
And you don’t see how this is a valid response to the fact that Republicans have imposed a draft by socio-economic status, and the liberals saying that are just trying to say that if you’re going to create a draft, then it should be honest? You really are a blind follower…
That’s exactly what they’d do if they . They’d start drafting people based on their parents income – just to punish those parents who are well off. It’s all part of the class war and general envy of the left.
No. It’s the rich who’ve already established the system based on wealth, the liberals are just calling them on it.
It’s never about punishing those who are well off, or anyone else. Punishment is your thing. We are about a level playing field. Why should the Bush twins be exempt from fighting in Iraq just because tehir father inhereted a lot of money from his father who inhereted a lot of money from his Nazi supporting father, and so on? Why should those who had rich parente and didn’t earn a dime of their money be given a pass? Why?
You know, if you’ve got money (unlike them), at least you should lose your kids in a war.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:31 am
Reverse the idea and you’ll have discovered the truth. The thing you claim not to want already exists – under the Republican system.
Wake up.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:42 amRamboTroll responds to ‘MAF54′:
The Democrony party castigating war supporters who choose not to serve is like being told not to call the police because you don’t plan on joining the force.
Our all-volunteer approach works well in this country.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 amAllright, get up, you lazy blanket asses.
That’s right, you’ve got a new camp counselor, and it’s going to be no picnic from here on out.
My name is confidential, but you are to call me Counselor Deadeye.
Your previous pansy pants counselor Timmy Griffy had an emotional breakdown yesterday after he found the wiretap in the bottom of his sleeping bag, no loss, he was just an interim appointee anyways.
I heard some bad language last night, after lights out, and I’m only going to tell you once that any ideas about honor, integrity, fairness, legality, peace and justice are out of line here at Camp GOPer.
You may have noticed the absence of Primvs, so you need to know that he has proven himself worthy of rapid advancement.
He has shown the ability to not only tirelessly and incoherently attack the liberal opposition, he has also shown a willingness to turn on his own fellow trolls, something you all need to remember, and embrace for future consideration.
He spent the night with Pastor Ted and his assistant Daryll, cramming for his final, oral exam today.
After breakfast, and I don’t want to hear any whining about being served nothing but pork, we are going to spend the day at the lake.
As some of you may have noticed, it is dry this year, due to the drought, and the new cornfields and feedlots which now surround us.
We have eliminated the swimming lessons therefore, and the rest of the day we will spend strip mining the bottom of the lake for coal, oil, and any other minerals we may exploit.
Questions?
Yes, all of your e-mails and text messages have been scrutinized, and filed with your dossiers.
What?
No, they will only be deleted after you have died.
What? Quit your whining! Don’t believe for a moment I won’t consider using extraodinary measures to keep you little cretins in line, I sleep with ol’ Double Shot right beside me, it’s loaded, and I haven’t shot anybody in a while……
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 am#14, here is a link you need to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution get back to us when you figure it out…. see you never.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 am#22 – from what you’ve written so far this morning M-F54, I’ll have to ask what country are you defending? Clearly it isn’t the USA, because everything you’ve written is so, ah, anti-american.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 am. . . but by God we will be safer that way. Comment by MAF54
Tell that to the 3,000 people who died on 9/11 because your boy Bush failed to stop the worst terrorist attack ever to occur on American soil.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 am#19: Pfft. Founding Fathers didn’t face suitcase nukes and suicide bombers.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Neither do you…
Chicken.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 amThe Democrony party castigating war supporters who choose not to serve is like being told not to call the police because you don’t plan on joining the force.
Exactly. But as you can see above, liberals aren’t happy with that. They think that Jenna Bush must go to Iraq, because his dad is rich and powerful.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 amWhat did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
This week we celebrate a special birthday. Monica Lewinsky turned 31. Can you believe it? It seems like only yesterday she was crawling around the White House on her hands and knees, and putting everything in her mouth. They grow up so fast, don’t they?
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 am#32. Your entire Republican leadership is made up of people who did all they could to shirk their responsibilities and run away from combat. Cowards.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 am#29: So, are you saying that standing by your commander-in-chief and wanting to protect your own people at any cost is un-American? I’ve never understood you liberals and I guess I never will.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 am“They can call contempt all they want. The Executive is a sovereign branch of the government and they do not have to bow to the whims of the legislative body.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:18 am”
REALLY???
So the President can just take tax payer money and do what he wishes????
So he makes the laws????
So he is to establish the RULES and the grounds for which the Military opperates????
I THINK NOT!!!!!
Whether you want to believe it or not….. If you look at what the 3 branches of govt. actually do…… The Congress has the MOST power….. But they are ALL EQUAL in the power they have over this country…..
Try picking up a Civics book sometime MORON!
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 am#31: So, you’re saying that there is no terrorist threat?
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 amThose who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 am#32 understand this:
Article One: Legislative power
Main article: Article One of the United States Constitution
Article One establishes the legislative branch of government, U.S. Congress, which includes the House of Representatives and the Senate. The legislative branch makes the laws. The Article establishes the manner of election and qualifications of members of each House. In addition, it provides for free debate in congress and limits self-serving behavior of congressmen, outlines legislative procedure and indicates the powers of the legislative branch. There is a debate as to whether the powers listed in Article 1 Section 8 are a list of enumerated powers. These powers may also be interpreted as a list of powers formerly either executive or judicial in nature, that have been explicitly granted to the U.S. Congress. This interpretation may be further supported by a broad definition of both the commerce clause, and the necessary and proper clause of the Constitution. The argument for enumerated powers can be traced back to 1819 McCulloch v. Maryland United States Supreme Court ruling. Finally, it establishes limits on federal and state legislative power.
Article Two: Executive power
Main article: Article Two of the United States Constitution
Article Two describes the presidency (the executive branch): procedures for the selection of the president, qualifications for office, the oath to be affirmed and the powers and duties of the office. It also provides for the office of Vice President of the United States, and specifies that the Vice President succeeds to the presidency if the President is incapacitated, dies, or resigns, although whether this succession was on an acting or permanent basis was left unclear. In practice, this has always been treated as succession, and the 25th Amendment provides explicitly for succession. Article Two also provides for the impeachment and removal from office of civil officers (the President, Vice President, judges, and others).
Article Three: Judicial power
Main article: Article Three of the United States Constitution
Article Three describes the court system (the judicial branch), including the Supreme Court. The article requires that there be one court called the Supreme Court; Congress, at its discretion, can create lower courts, whose judgments and orders are reviewable by the Supreme Court. Article Three also requires trial by jury in all criminal cases, defines the crime of treason, and charges Congress with providing for a punishment for it.
Article Four: States’ powers and limits
Main article: Article Four of the United States Constitution
Article Four describes the relationship between the states and the Federal government, and amongst the states. For instance, it requires states to give “full faith and credit” to the public acts, records and court proceedings of the other states. Congress is permitted to regulate the manner in which proof of such acts, records or proceedings may be admitted. The “privileges and immunities” clause prohibits state governments from discriminating against citizens of other states in favor of resident citizens (e.g., having tougher penalties for residents of Ohio convicted of crimes within Michigan). It also establishes extradition between the states, as well as laying down a legal basis for freedom of movement and travel amongst the states. Today, this provision is sometimes taken for granted, especially by citizens who live near state borders; but in the days of the Articles of Confederation, crossing state lines was often a much more arduous (and costly) process. Article Four also provides for the creation and admission of new states. The Territorial Clause gives Congress the power to make rules for disposing of Federal property and governing non-state territories of the United States. Finally, the fourth section of Article Four requires the United States to guarantee to each state a republican form of government, and to protect the states from invasion and violence.
dig it…
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 amRamboTroll makes an assessment:
You seem very loony with you “Nazi” assertions. I’d rather remain asleep, thanks.
“Why should those who had rich parente and didn’t earn a dime of their money be given a pass? Why?”
Because it’s their decision not to enlist. I thought you were for that “level playing field.” Choice, for one, is supposed to be part of that.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 am“It’s not about what’s legal and illegal. It’s all about what’s right and wrong. You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs and that’s how this Executive is taking care of business: some laws may have to be broken and some evil people will not get to enjoy the due process of law, but by God we will be safer that way.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:26 am”
IDIOT
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 am“It may say so in the Constitution, but that is for the peace time. There are historical precedents clearly indicating that when the nation is at war, the executive should be running things.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:28 am”
WRONG AGAIN M-O-R-O-N
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 am#36: “Civics books” are just fine and dandy, but they’re just theory. In practice, the Executive is – as it should be – the most powerful of the branches. Especially in a time of war like today.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 amWhy should the Bush twins be exempt from fighting in Iraq just because tehir father inhereted a lot of money from his father who inhereted a lot of money from his Nazi supporting father, and so on?
They aren’t exempt. They just choose not to join, just like the people in the service choose to join (except for any who stayed after getting drafted in ‘Nam)
And you don’t see how this is a valid response to the fact that Republicans have imposed a draft by socio-economic status, and the liberals saying that are just trying to say that if you’re going to create a draft, then it should be honest? You really are a blind follower…
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:51 amIt’s about as valid as the “but, but, but Clinton” knee jerk reaction we hear now and again.
That’s it. Ignore the troll. He’s just saying nonsense things because he gets his jollies out of stirring things up. Do not make him happy by giving him the attention he so pathetically craves.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 amAt least we can still make a choice from the get-go.
Again, that’s not entirely accurate. When you are poor and cannot afford college, the military might be the only choice you have to make a living wage… The Army is filled with people who had little choice.
I had dinner this week with someone who served in the Air Force when he was younger. He said that they offer to answer any question you have about the military when you are signing up – but that the problem is that if you don’t know what questions to ask – you aren’t exactly making an informed choice, now are you?
The Vietnam war started by Democrats, along with their reinstatement of the draft never provided that option.
Are you people that desperately afraid of history books or just reading non-fiction in general?
You support a reinstatement of the draft, don’t you? Democrats invented it.
No, I support a re-deployment.
It’s the Republican strategy to voluntarily recruit. It’s the Democratic strategy to reinstate the draft to put kids in uniform simply because their parents are rich.
No, it’s a liberal attempt to make the draft the Republicans started fair…
You know, the military does have good educational and economic benefits.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 9:37 am
I come from a military family. I know more people who got screwed out of their GI bill than received it as promised. There are loopholes for them to get out of it – just as they use loopholes to get out of playing their fair share of taxes…
And yes, Bush has demonstrated very well how much moeny has been made for the Military Industrial Complex in the name of faux wars…
Bottomline – Republicans don’t play fair, and liberals try to correct that.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:53 am#31: So, you’re saying that there is no terrorist threat?
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:48 am
I don’t think anyone can deny that there is a terrorist threat BUT you have to look at why they are terrorists to begin with. Most of them have been getting pissed on by the US government since before they were born. They begged and pleaded with us to stop making the sheiks rich and the regular people poor. We have basically been giving them the big F-U for 50 years. Just look at their targets… precisily planned and executed as statements to the world that they’ve had enough of us killing them.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 am“The Democrony party castigating war supporters who choose not to serve is like being told not to call the police because you don’t plan on joining the force.”
Rambletroll
If you start a fire (or cheer it on), you have some responsibilty to see that it is properly extinguished. You don’t start a conflagration (or cheer it on), and when it spreads to other buildings, simply walk away, saying: “well, that’s what the fire dept. is paid for.”
Unless you’re a sociopathic pyromamiac, that is.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 am#47 So you’re saying that there is no state-sponsored terrorism? Shoe fits on both feet….. do you agree?
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 am#49 was a response to #37….
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 amRE49: That’s exactly what I’m saying, our state has sponsored terrorism against these people for so long… Do I advocate appeasing them? No, but I do advocate that the oil wealth in the middle east be distributed FAIRLY.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 amIn practice, the Executive is – as it should be – the most powerful of the branches. Especially in a time of war like today.
Comment by MAF54 —
So, you’ll not let out a peep when the next president, who will probably be a democrat, excercises these war powers? Good to know in advance.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 amThey think that Jenna Bush must go to Iraq, because his dad is rich and powerful.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:46 am
No, we think Jenna and Barbara Bush should go to Iraq because they shouldn’t be exempt from fighting for their father’s war…
Especially when there is a need for them to go.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 amSorry, that’s “pyromaniac” – this is way too early for a night shift guy like me.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 amWTF MAF? Are you on a meth-binge or are you a collective? In a previous story you were posting here at 4-5 am and you’re still here.
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 am“the most powerful of the branches. Especially in a time of war like today.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:50 am”
WRONG AGAIN, you little chickenhawk……
We are NOT AT WAR!!!!
The president was provided AUTHORIZATION, and if he is so powerful as you state he would not need AUTHORIZATION……. Please provide the DECLARATION OF WAR!!!
Also, this “war” as you call it is ILLEGAL!!!!!!
In the very AUMF, the president was REQUIRED to go to the UN to get a second approval before he attacked…… HE DID NOT!!!!!
EVERYTHING this LYING sack of $hit has said has been a LIE!!!!
Follow that??? NO F^CKING WAY!!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 9:59 am#52: Fortunately that will never happen again.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 amThey think that Jenna Bush must go to Iraq, because his dad is rich and powerful.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:46 am
No, we think Jenna and Barbara Bush should go to Iraq because they shouldn’t be exempt from fighting for their father’s war…
Especially when there is a need for them to go.
Comment by unbelievable — June 22, 2007 @ 9:59 am
Unfortunately, Unbelievable, if you believe that, then Chelsea Clinton should also go due to the fact that Hillary voted for and still supports this war…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 am#53: And just what does Jenna have got to do with her father’s war? Nothing. Everybody in our military is a volunteer. Why do you want to change that? Doesn’t sound very liberal to me.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 amMAF54,
Well Christians have been the terrorists for 2000 years, now we’re taking over. Kinda like how GM used to be the worlds biggest and best. There’s only one way from the top, and that’s down. And I’m sure being a pervert like yourself “MAF54″, you know all about going down on little boys fleshy things don’t you?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:01 amRamboTroll issues yet another response to ‘unbelievable’:
“No, it’s a liberal attempt to make the draft the Republicans started fair…”
Again, the Republicans don’t have a draft. They can make their pitch, we have the option of ignoring it. And of note, there are many ways to fund a college education.
“Are you people that desperately afraid of history books or just reading non-fiction in general?”
I think you would need to actually prove that a Republican started the whole Vietnam war rather than use another talking-point.
“I know more people who got screwed out of their GI bill than received it as promised.”
I read about plenty of services members who’ve benefited without scam from the DoD’s education system and benefits. I’ll take their testimony and wisdom instead. It’s not perfect, but it’s still good.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:02 amMAF54 is Mark Foley’s nick.
This troll idolizes a pedophile.
He has ZERO credibility.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:02 am#56: Well, if he has overstepped his authority, the Congress should be doing something about it, right? Guess what. They’re not.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 am“Our military is all-volunteer. Liberals happen to be those with the policy drafting specifically the “18-25 year-old demographic†into combat. We ask, what’s next from them? Devising a draft policy on the youngins’ based on the income bracket of their families?”
Works for me. I say draft only the children of the people who are making enormous profits off this “war” (actually it’s an occupation). Since they are getting rich, they should have to send their children to defend their right to get rich. Problem is that that wouldn’t provide many recruits since the rich are about 2% of our population.
Seriously, the military is already populated by people depending on the “income bracket of their families”. A large majority of the people who enlist are from poor families in the heartland. They see joining the military as their only way out of poverty.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 amSo, you’re saying that there is no terrorist threat?
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 9:48 am
I’m saying that you have such a slim risk of being killed by a terrorist, that you should focus on the stuff that is highly likely to kill you instead.
You’re like the guy who runs out into the road to escape the boogeyman in his closet just to get run over by a bus… You are not being able to differentiate between a low-threat and high one, and are choosing to ignore the high risk threats at your own peril.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 ammaf54 is exactly the reason america is dead as we know it..the stupidity an ingnorance of what america stands for, what the constitution stands for by people like you is just unbelievable….. the 26% er’s are killing all of us…..
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 am“#56: Well, if he has overstepped his authority, the Congress should be doing something about it, right? Guess what. They’re not. Comment by MAF54″
Excuse me, but this information only came out yesterday. What do you expect, for Congress to drop everything they are doing (their kind of busy right now on about 20 other scandals) and go after this one. They will get around to it, just be patient.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 amFortunately that will never happen again.
Comment by MAF54
Go read Novak. He’s saying the republicans are terrified of a blowout in ‘08. And that includes the presidency …
While he’s a snake, he does get around to both the paleo-and neo-con beltway boys, and knows what they’re thinking.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 am#60: As a self-proclaimed muslim, you must know all about having your way with underage boys. Your prophet was quite a connoisseur of that particular form of perversion, you know.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 amunbelievable
we think Jenna and Barbara Bush should go to Iraq because they shouldn’t be exempt from fighting for their father’s war…
Once again, they aren’t exempt. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
The Vietnam war started by Democrats, along with their reinstatement of the draft never provided that option.
Are you people that desperately afraid of history books or just reading non-fiction in general?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 amEisenhower sent over a couple hundred military advisers. Kennedy and then Johnson escalated from that to thousands of US ground troops and pilots. Our large scale involvement in the Vietnam war lays directly at the feet of those two Democrat presidents. Perhaps you should also grab a history book (or website) or two.
Trent Lott is Pretty in Pink.
Another Republifairy comes out of the closet.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 amRamboTroll asks the question to ‘barfly’:
We’re sorry, were you talking?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 am“Everybody in our military is a volunteer. Why do you want to change that? Doesn’t sound very liberal to me.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:01 am”
Well in a time of “war”, as you call it, then the WHOLE country should be willing to support it…. And that does not mean by bumper stickers….. EVERYONE should be required to serve!!!!!
Just because they are volunteers, does not mean that gives the rest of the country a free pass in participating in the ILLEGAL “WAR”.
No time in history has people been told to “shop” and spend money….. Or have taxes cut….
No, in previous wars production lines were stopped and they were made to produce items needed for the war….
But I don’t expect your SIMPLETON mind to understand anything about supporting the troops, as you only support your party.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 amSince they are getting rich, they should have to send their children to defend their right to get rich.
Thank you for being so honest. Most liberals won’t admit that their envy of another person’s wealth is the source of all their complaints. They’d like a world where everybody’s made to suffer the same miserable quality of life regardless of abilities or achievements.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 amMAF,
Do not be fooled by your leader, this photo tells it all!
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0426/csmimg/04-26_DU.jpg
Remember the Antichrist will be well liked by all christians!
And you bush lickers love this man to death.
He is the start of the end for you!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 am“Unfortunately, Unbelievable, if you believe that, then Chelsea Clinton should also go due to the fact that Hillary voted for and still supports this war…”
Actually, I believe that everyone in Congress and the White House should be required to send their children to fight this “war”. It would be over in a nanosecond if that happened.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:08 amYou seem very loony with you “Nazi†assertions. I’d rather remain asleep, thanks.
Those who cannot argue an issue on merits resort to personal attacks against the messenger. You’ve admitted defeat in debating the topic by submitting an insult instead.
Because it’s their decision not to enlist. I thought you were for that “level playing field.†Choice, for one, is supposed to be part of that.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 9:49 am
And they have, because of their parent’s money, no reason to enlist – while I already gave a perfectly valid example of how enlisting is a limited choice for those without money. That means that not only is the playing field NOT level, but it’s Mt. Everest…
Because they have money, the rich don’t see enlistment as an option. How is that level?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:08 am“They’d like a world where everybody’s made to suffer the same miserable quality of life regardless of abilities or achievements.”
Only a moron like you would consider sitting beside a pool living off of your trust fund to be “abilities or achievements”.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 amMAF54 is Mark Foley’s nick.
This sick little troll thinks prdophilia is okay if you’re a Republiperv.
Don’t waste your time on him, he’s obviously psychotic.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 ammade to suffer the same miserable quality of life regardless of abilities or achievements.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:07 am
Yah I’ve seen the video of Paris Hiltons abilities!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 am#78: So, being born to parents who’ve worked hard and made a good fortune is a crime and should be punished?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 am“Unfortunately, Unbelievable, if you believe that, then Chelsea Clinton should also go due to the fact that Hillary voted for and still supports this war…â€
Actually, I believe that everyone in Congress and the White House should be required to send their children to fight this “warâ€. It would be over in a nanosecond if that happened.
Comment by katie — June 22, 2007 @ 10:08 am
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 amWe’re sorry, were you talking?
Comment by RamboTroll
Your police analogy is shot full of holes. And very old.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:10 am#77: No-one’s forced to enlist. Period. You can always flip burgers at McDonalds to make a living.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 amComment by katie
The military can be great for educational and economic development, character building, etc. I don’t think many poor people mind being in the military. I think many of them see it as a blessing in a number of ways besides the obvious risks, contrary to your “totally burdening” stance.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 amDo the sons bear the sins of the fathers?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 amJust ignore Tom3. He’s obviously deranged and has an obsession with paedophilia (must be a keyword to his twisted psyche, yet he keeps constantly misspelling it)
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 am“So, being born to parents who’ve worked hard and made a good fortune is a crime and should be punished?
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:10 am”
No IDIOT…..
They are part of this country, they too should have to provide in it’s protection….
ESPECIALLY in a time of “war” as you call it….
EVERY CITIZEN should not only want to, but be made to….
I bet if this happens, the next time a discussion of a war is on the table people (even the rich people) will think TWICE about it and really determine what the other options are.
MORON!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 am#80: I’m sure you have, but what does your “god” think of you watching porn?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 amTundra
Do the sons bear the sins of the fathers?
Only if your biblical.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 amThey aren’t exempt. They just choose not to join, just like the people in the service choose to join (except for any who stayed after getting drafted in ‘Nam)
Then what does that say about the validity of teh war oif they can’t get behind tehir father’s cause with enthusiasm and willingness to assist him in his time of need?
It’s about as valid as the “but, but, but Clinton†knee jerk reaction we hear now and again.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 9:51 am
That’s the best you could do? I’m disappointed. You usually put some thought into it…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 am#87: Well, what are you doing for this country’s protection? Enlist.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 amI don’t think many poor people mind being in the military. I think many of them see it as a blessing in a number of ways besides the obvious risks, contrary to your “totally burdening†stance.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Rambut.. Are you kidding me? If you’ve ever served in any branch of the military you’d know it’s a burden. Your pay is crap, the benifits suck, and the chances of getting killed (especially in preemptive war/occupation) is a thousand times greater than that of working at McDonalds. Your statement is defined by your first 3 words “I DON’T THINK…”
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 am#
#80: I’m sure you have, but what does your “god†think of you watching porn?
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:13 am
He thinks higher of it than someone who molests innocent children like you. And even making fun of that, you’ll surely go to hell. The adult naked body is a beautiful thing, and should be enjoyed as often as possible.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 amUnfortunately, Unbelievable, if you believe that, then Chelsea Clinton should also go due to the fact that Hillary voted for and still supports this war…
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 10:01 am
Fine, send her too….
Though, I read Hillary’s letter about her vote. She didn’t supoprt the war as the right is claiming, she supported the President to do the right thing. That was her mistake.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 amAl-Jazarri ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 amWhen the big war comes Mulsims will be exterminated.
Us Hispanics will defeat you the same way we did in the past.
Plus we’ll nuke Mecca!
There sure is, from idiots who think like you.
If you are such a fond supporter of the war, feel free to enlist and get shipped off to the front lines of Iraq.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 am“Well, what are you doing for this country’s protection? Enlist.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:15 am”
I have ALREADY SERVED you little chicken$hit chickenhawk!!!!!
Since your so ra ra about this war, and you have not served, get your a$$ down to the recruiters office and sign on the dotted line….
Put your money where your MOUTH is!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 amAnd now, for a tactic sure to increase the American body count:
Top US commanders in Iraq have been encouraging soldiers in Baghdad to “get out and walk.”
In fact — they’ve been using those very words. According to Friday’s LA Times, a counterinsurgency guidance memo “released last week by Army Lt. Gen Raymond T. Odierno, the commander of day-to-day military operations, urges Iraqi and American troops to ‘get out and walk.’
The paper notes that the memo argues that although Humvees offer protection, “they also make units predictable and ‘insulate us from the Iraqi people we intend to secure.’”
More to the point, according to soldiers interviewed for the article, walking is safer: “U.S. troops working the streets of the capital fear one Iraqi weapon more than others — a copper-plated explosive that can penetrate armor and has proved devastating to Humvees and even capable of severely damaging tanks,” writes the LA Times Julian Barnes.
“The power of what the military calls an EFP — for explosively formed penetrator, or projectile — to spray molten metal balls that punch through the armor on vehicles has some American troops rethinking their tactics,” Barnes adds. “They are asking whether the U.S. should give up its reliance on making constant improvements to vehicle defenses.”
The original draft of the memo, acquired by the Times, “notes that EFP attacks on Humvees damage them heavily. “Instead, these troops think, it is time to leave the armor behind, and get out and walk.”
“Foot patrols, of course, are not a fail-safe method,” Barnes adds. “On city streets, snipers remain a threat. And bombs can still kill dismounted troops. But when blasts occur in the middle of a foot patrol, the number of casualties are generally lower because the troops are more spread out.”
Look for more deadlier tactics, like sequenced mines, to deal with the now spread out troops.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 amThough, I read Hillary’s letter about her vote. She didn’t supoprt the war as the right is claiming, she supported the President to do the right thing. That was her mistake.
Comment by unbelievable — June 22, 2007 @ 10:16 am
I understand Hillary’s point… BUT she still supported the President and in turn this war. She is responsible for her votes in the Senate just like everyone else (duped or not). Unfortunately I don’t think they let White Nerd Females into the military, unless there’s a don’t ask don’t tell that you’re a geek policy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 am#94: “She didn’t supoprt the war as the right is claiming”.
Bwahahaha! Your beloved Hil-dog is up to her ears in very lucrative business with contractors working in Iraq.
You know what? Democrats are playing you just like we’re playing the religious right morons. They give us votes and if they’re not happy with what we do, we tell them to go ahead and vote for you dems. Every time they come back and vote for us. Hillary and DLC/DNC are pulling off exactly the same kind of scam with you. Not happy with Hillary? You’re welcome to vote a Republican instead.
Ah. The beauty of a two-party system.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 amAnd just what does Jenna have got to do with her father’s war?
Do you not know that Jenna has a twin sister named Barbara?
Actually, they are proof that the middle and lower classes are the ones defending our country, while the rich keep taking a pass.
Everybody in our military is a volunteer. Why do you want to change that? Doesn’t sound very liberal to me.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:01 am
I don’t. The problem is the Occupation of Iraq. We don’t have enough volunteers to fight the endless decable of invading a sovereign nation for oil, so how do you suggest we solve the problem of not enough volunteers? Hmmm?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 amAl-Jazarri,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 amMohamd was a pedophile.
He had sex with a 9 year old.
He was a ytotal genocidal madman.
Hey did he screw sheep also?
#97: So what’s holding you back. Do another tour. Don’t feel like? Oh, that’s your prerogative. Just like it’s Jenna’s.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:21 amWhy would anyone use the nickname of a Repuke pedophile who had to resign from Congress in disgrace?
This troll is a real sicko. He pukes up talking points to defend his fascist regime.
Meanwhile, our air is not fit to breathe, thanks to the Repukes.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 amThat’s the best you could do? I’m disappointed. You usually put some thought into it…
Give me something to put thought into and I will. If your whole argument is “Bush has kids, so they must serve.” Theres no point to getting further into it.
Having said that:
Then what does that say about the validity of teh war oif they can’t get behind tehir father’s cause with enthusiasm and willingness to assist him in his time of need?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 amIt says nothing about the validity of the war. All it says is that his children, as adults, have come to a decision on their own on if they want to serve their country or not, just like every person does when they turn 18. Some choose to serve, others choose not to and theres nothing more to read into it, unless they, not you, then try and turn their decision into a political statement.
Al-Jazarri,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 amWhere are you Moon worshipper?
I’m Latin anti-Muslim?
I know you guys run this country and I’m here to expose you’re genocidal madness.
Actually, they are proof that the middle and lower classes are the ones defending our country, while the rich keep taking a pass.
Yes. That’s what the left is all about: “Oooh… the man is keeping us down!”. How about you work hard and become rich instead of whining and expecting the state to provide you with welfare?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 am“So what’s holding you back. Do another tour. Don’t feel like? Oh, that’s your prerogative. Just like it’s Jenna’s.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:21 am”
Why do I need to provide my services to my country AGAIN, when there are little chickenhawks like YOU that have NEVER served available?????
Get off your knees, pull that pole out of your mouth, and service your country not your boyfriend…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:23 amI have ALREADY SERVED you little chicken$hit chickenhawk!!!!!
Sure, sure you have. Being a comfort-lady for Afghan conscripts isnt really military service no matter how much you claim it to be.
Paper tigers abound on this site, this circus of fools.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:23 amAl-Jazarri,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 amWhere are you goat herding pedophile?
RamboTroll submits a response:
“Those who cannot argue an issue on merits resort to personal attacks against the messenger. You’ve admitted defeat in debating the topic by submitting an insult instead.”
Irony at its best. I think I was pointing out your insults. Think calling somebody a “Nazi” is relevant to discussion? Your head is on backwards, but the simple-minded always have the ACLU to mouth to, or Media Matters to consult for reference.
“And they have, because of their parent’s money, no reason to enlist – while I already gave a perfectly valid example of how enlisting is a limited choice for those without money. That means that not only is the playing field NOT level, but it’s Mt. Everest…”
I thought we were encouraging parents to work hard and provide well for their children. Picking off kids of to combat when they grow-up, in my view, because of the hard work of their parents amounts to a gruesome form of taxation.
“Because they have money, the rich don’t see enlistment as an option. How is that level?”
Until the forces under the all-volunteer system dwindle to concern, there’s no need for your draft pitch. Recruiters may not be meeting targets in full, but the numbers of volunteer-enlistments are reasonably well given all the media hustling. Should there be a need for a draft, however, all 18-26ers, regardless of economic status, should be subject to recall – not just Jenna & Barbie Bush. I sense you having motives other than “fairness” to put them in an inherently dangerous environment against their will.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 amAgain, the Republicans don’t have a draft.
Yes, they do. They drafted a bunch of people who joined the military for the sake of defending this country into an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation. And now they are keeping them there against their will and that of the American people. That’s a draft…
They can make their pitch, we have the option of ignoring it.
The informed option? No. And that’s the problem.
And of note, there are many ways to fund a college education.
Not everyone qualifies… Though the Democrats just did a bit in helping to reverse the Republican drain on financial assitance for these people.
I think you would need to actually prove that a Republican started the whole Vietnam war rather than use another talking-point.
No, you asserted that a liberal started it first – so you prove that first. Then, I’ll prove you wrong…
I read about plenty of services members who’ve benefited without scam from the DoD’s education system and benefits. I’ll take their testimony and wisdom instead. It’s not perfect, but it’s still good.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 10:02 am
You’ve read about. I know people. I’ll take real people over your fictional people…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 amTom3: No-one’s buying into your delusions anymore. Give it up.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 amPaper tigers abound on this site, this circus of fools.
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:23 am
And here you are posting on this site! Is that you on the trapeze? Or are you the fool sticking your head in the Tigers mouth?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 am#
Al-Jazarri,
Mohamd was a pedophile.
He had sex with a 9 year old.
He was a ytotal genocidal madman.
Hey did he screw sheep also?
Comment by The Joker — June 22, 2007 @ 10:20 am
And Jesus was gay, what else would explain a man not married in those days? As for you hispanics, you can’t even fix your home country, you think we’re afraid of you?
And do all you Hispanics start your careers in Tiajuna having sex with the donkey?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 am“Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:23 am”
Hey a$$wipe….
What is a dd214???
Or MOS???
So what was YOUR job in the military??? Provide the military identification and description.
LOOOSSSEEEERRRRR!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 amAl-Jazarri,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 amThe american people are waking up to the fact that your cult controls our nation.
Sunnis run the Republicans and Shia run the Democrats.
Mulsims control the press!
My organization is aware of this and will soon expose you.
Then the American people will rise up and deport you clowns!
Go read Novak. He’s saying the republicans are terrified of a blowout in ‘08. And that includes the presidency …
While he’s a snake, he does get around to both the paleo-and neo-con beltway boys, and knows what they’re thinking.
Comment by barfly — June 22, 2007 @ 10:04 am
They should be afraid. Nearly every Republican I know, except maybe my brother, will vote for a Democratic President in 2008. And keep in mind that I live in Georgia…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 am“How about you work hard and become rich” – ah the myth of social mobility.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/79357
So where are the best schools in the US located? In the best housing suburbs with the largest property tax base. It all starts from there… add in inherited unearned wealth and you have the class structure de facto that belies the myth. Sure there are odd cases here and there and probably more in the US because of the relaxed new business rules. But you have far more Paris Hiltons than you have Bill Clintons.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 amI cant believe we invaded a nation on the other side of the earth without U.N. permission, a country which didnt directly threaten us, was busily engaged in slaughtering its own citizens and whose government embraced genocide. Now we occupy a foreign nation while allowing Halliburton to enjoy its no-bid reconstruction contracts!
Out of Kosovo NOW! No blood for Amselfelder!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 amHey a$$wipe….
What is a dd214???
Or MOS???
So what was YOUR job in the military??? Provide the military identification and description.
LOOOSSSEEEERRRRR!
Comment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 10:26 am
You might as well not bother… he’ll just Google your questions to get an answer. It’s blatantly obvious when someone has not served.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 am“You might as well not bother… he’ll just Google your questions to get an answer. It’s blatantly obvious when someone has not served.
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 10:30 am”
I agree, but I want to see what lie he says….
Then I will pry futher with military questions, you know those ones that only being in the service one can answer…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 amThe closest thing that “MAN” did to service this country was watch “Band of Brothers” on HBO
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 amAl-Jazarri ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 amLook at you pathetic countries!
You guys blow each other up and have sex with 9 year old.
You’re cult hasn’t developed crap.
Latin Amereica is in better shape than any Muslim country.
Spain, Italy, Chile and Costa Rica are richer than any Muslim country.
We defeated you in the past and we can defeat you clowns again.
We will exterminate you and Nuke Mecca off the map!
I doubt Jesus was Gay, but better being Gay than a genocidal pedophile!
In addition to worshipping a pedophile, MAF54 suppports the fas ist “unitary executive” theory.
Typical Reich Wingnut, he thinks Chimpy is “sovereign”
Meanwhile, pollution and smog standards are “too weak to protect people from the air they breathe”.
How many Americans have the Repukes and their polluter pals murdered?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 am“Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 10:32 am”
How true…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 amask him what s.o.s. is in the mess hall…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 amOnce again, they aren’t exempt. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Yes it does. You just don’t understand how their money does exempt them – not literally – but figuratively.
The Vietnam war started by Democrats, along with their reinstatement of the draft never provided that option.
Democrats didn’t start Vietnam.
Eisenhower sent over a couple hundred military advisers.
Boy is that downplaying what Eisenhower did… Although, at least you admit that he started it.
Kennedy and then Johnson escalated from that to thousands of US ground troops and pilots. Our large scale involvement in the Vietnam war lays directly at the feet of those two Democrat presidents.
But that wasn’t the point… The point was who started it. Eisenhower started it.
Now as for what Kennedy and Johnson did, I don’t agree with it. But neither of them started it…
Perhaps you should also grab a history book (or website) or two.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 10:05 am
I’ve read more on the subject BEFORE this thread started than you googled after it did.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 amWhat is a dd214???
Basically a cutsheet describing your military service, a synopsis history of sorts.
Or MOS???
Military occupation specialty, though in the Navy we didnt call it that, your job was known as your “rating”.
So what was YOUR job in the military??? Provide the military identification and description.
Nope, gunners mate, USS Vincennes, USS Carl Vinson.
LOOOSSSEEEERRRRR!
Comfort-girl.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 amRemove Bush,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 amdd214 sounds like a chemical lawn fertilizer!
“ask him what s.o.s. is in the mess hall…
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 10:33 am”
How about what “airborne” means???
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 am“Rambut.. Are you kidding me? If you’ve ever served in any branch of the military you’d know it’s a burden. Your pay is crap, the benifits suck, and the chances of getting killed (especially in preemptive war/occupation) is a thousand times greater than that of working at McDonalds. Your statement is defined by your first 3 words “I DON’T THINK…—
Comment by coachjason
I think you’re entitled to your opinion. I will take the many accounts of service members I’ve read, especially those under duress prior to joining, over yours. Promotion opportunity is good, the pay is adequate according to age/private sector estimates.
War, of course, includes the risks of death. Our service-members are intelligent and can understand that. That’s why training, education, etc., etc., is important to reduce those risks and save other lives, as well.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 am“make the House carbon-neutral by the end of the 110th Congress.”
That’s easy. Disband Congress. After all, under the Unitary Executive doctrine, Congress is superfluous.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 amI am a great man you Americans can see my videos here
http://www.memritv.org/
#1485 – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Offers To Sell America Nuclear Fuel 30% Cheaper Than Current Prices
#1482 – Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Israelis Are Not Jews and American Leaders Are Not Christians. Life-Curve of the Superpowers Is on the Decline
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 amOk remove, fire away.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:36 amThe Joker isn’t very funny. Am I missing something?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:36 amask him what s.o.s. is in the mess hall…
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 10:33 am
LOL I wasn’t in the military, but I did grow up poor, so even I know what s.o.s. stands for,
Sh!t on a shingle, ie any sort of sauce on toast
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:36 amI’m guessing he was a swabjockey!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:36 am“Ok remove, fire away.
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:36 am”
I have already provide my questions…..
Answer them first, then I’ll ask more.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:37 amMahmoud Ahmadinejad: I went there as your representative in order to say: Dear sir, you sit there and tell Iran what to do from afar? The Iranian people, right next to you [in Iraq], will tell you what to do, and we will give you your marching orders.
Death to America
Death to America
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When we went to [South America], the officials there did not even know that there had been a resolution. They said to us: “What resolution?” They were told that a resolution had been passed about sanctions against Iran. They answered: “Forget it, tear it up, and throw it away, it is worthless.”
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They made an unlawful decision to refer the dossier to the Security Council. We said to them: If you do so, bad things will happen to you. After all, it is the Iranian people you are dealing with, and you don’t know the Iranian people.
[...]
Eventually, they referred the dossier to the Security Council. We said: “Our response is to open the will be to open the uranium enrichment [facilities] in Natanz, and to start enrichment, so that you will know exactly who you are dealing with.” Then we opened the Natanz [facilities]. They raised hell, but we activated two cascades there, and on April 9, 2006, we held a ceremony in Mashhad, and announced that we have become nuclear. They realized that things were really bad, and they made us a proposal. They said: “We will offer you power plants, refrigerators, television sets, stoves, and even those things to heat food in, on condition that you close down these facilities.” We answered that we are indeed in favor of dialogue, but that we will give you all those things you mentioned, on condition that you close down your own [nuclear] facilities. We will manufacture [nuclear] fuel, and sell it to you at a cheaper price.”
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:37 amSOS, also known as Shit On A Shingle, though we werent forced to have that very often. Navy chow is top notch, unless there was a GQ drill happening, in which case it was coldcuts and warm bugjuice.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:38 am“Comment by Krazny — June 22, 2007 @ 10:36 am”
You gave the answer away…….
That was for the brave souls that claim they have military experience, when we all know they don’t.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:38 amThat was for the brave souls that claim they have military experience, when we all know they don’t.
Comment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 10:38 am
Didn’t mean to give the answer away, was just pointing out that it wasn’t a very good question. Hehe I am sure there are better ones
=)
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:39 amPresident Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:39 amWhy are you very popular with the Leftists?
So, being born to parents who’ve worked hard and made a good fortune is a crime and should be punished?
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:10 am
No, the other way around. Those who DON’T have rich parents shouldn’t be punished because of the circumstances of their birth.
There is no such thing as a self-made man, by the way. Every person who attains wealth did so on the back of those who came before him or her. They relied on a system that relied on the hard work of others who didn’t get rich. Therefore, it is an insult to those people’s children for the rich to avoid paying their fair share…
No-one’s forced to enlist. Period. You can always flip burgers at McDonalds to make a living.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:11 am
Actually, no you cannot. Mimimum wage jobs are not living wage jobs.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:39 amNavy chow is top notch…
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:38 am
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHA!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 am“The recent rise in U.S. troop deaths in Iraq is the ‘wrong metric’ to use†in assessing the effectiveness of escalation, outgoing Joint Chiefs chairman Gen. Peter Pace said yesterday. “[I]t’s not about levels of violence. It’s about progress being made, in fact, in the minds of the Iraqi people, so that they have confidence in their government in the way forward.â€
Have to say this made sense to me to a certain extent, but not if the overall levels of violence increase without any corresponding increase in order and control over more areas of the country…. but Mr Pace, how do you measure progress and how are you going to know when you have won?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 am“The recent rise in U.S. troop deaths in Iraq is the ‘wrong metric’ to use†in assessing the effectiveness of escalation, outgoing Joint Chiefs chairman Gen. Peter Pace said yesterday. “[I]t’s not about levels of violence. It’s about progress being made,…”
Actually, I agree with him. The problem is, to keep the successes, we need 10x the force. There must be enough troops to essentially lock down an entire country. We don’t have that now, and won’t have that in any meaningful time frame.
So more kids will die in a futile exercise, just so Bush can say “we would have won the war if only we’d have stayed the course.”
It’s all about blaming the other party now, while keeping control of Iraqi Oil.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:41 amThis week we celebrate a special birthday. Monica Lewinsky turned 31.
Comment by Tundra
I will never understand the moralistic crap involved in the Lewinsky affair. What is SO freaking wrong with the US that a blowjob is much more important than bombing civilians? Im not a Clinton fan, but the whole Lewinsky thing was seen from here as the proof that US citizens ought to be crazy. Who cares if he got a blowjob? Damn, you cheer Shock and Awe but disapprove a blowjob? There is something really, really wrong.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:41 amIs that it? Bored and bored again. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 amunbelievable
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 amBoy is that downplaying what Eisenhower did… Although, at least you admit that he started it.
Actually Truman sent Military advisers and non-combat troops to help out the French. So if your going to use advisers as opposed to combat troops as a starting point, it’s still the Democrats that got us involved.
Yes it does. You just don’t understand how their money does exempt them – not literally – but figuratively.
Your absolutely right, I can’t get any service at the grocery store or the gas station or the fast food place, because all the middle and lower classes are gone. Every one of them was forced to enlist due to their economic situation. All thats left is a line of people at the StarBucks drive thru in their H3s and Mercedes wondering where all the huddled masses who used to serve them went.
coachjason,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 amI think Man is a fraud!
People who serve don’t go on blogs and discuss it.
I was in the service and I don’t talk or brag about it.
It’s none of anyone’s business!
Comment by unbelievable
“Fictional people”
We see, accounts on the Internet are “fictional.” We think you have extreme self-righteousness issues. Do you know every member of the military, or do you know only those hate the military? Professional victims don’t count, you should know.
Your account doesn’t speak for everyone. In fact, it speaks for very few people.
(Actual service members documented, by the way, with actual names, photos and other biographical information aren’t exactly “fictional people.”)
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 amDo the sons bear the sins of the fathers?
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Only if they are also going to bear the fruits of their fathers…. And in our country, they do. It’s called inheritance.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 amThey relied on a system that relied on the hard work of others who didn’t get rich. Therefore, it is an insult to those people’s children for the rich to avoid paying their fair share…
Comment by unbelievable
Spot on, girl!!! :)
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 amJoker:
HAHA, go ahead, let the nukes fly, that stupid Christian cross wont keep you safe from nuclear winter. You’re a typical beaner, all mouth, no brains.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 amWho cares if he got a blowjob?
I could care less if the man had an orgy with circus dwarves in the rose garden, its the lying to the grand jury that is the problem.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 amJuan C
What is SO freaking wrong with the US that a blowjob is much more important than bombing civilians?
That neither I, nor Tundra, got to share in that executive perk.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 amcoachjason,
I think Man is a fraud!
People who serve don’t go on blogs and discuss it.
I was in the service and I don’t talk or brag about it.
It’s none of anyone’s business!
Comment by The Joker — June 22, 2007 @ 10:42 am
I’m sure he’ll be on here next telling us he had 150 confirmed kills in ‘Nam of which 200 were children but he only gets credit for fifty since they only count as 1/4 of a CK.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:45 amNot happy with Hillary? You’re welcome to vote a Republican instead.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 10:20 am
Go read Hillary’s letter. She didn’t support the war outright. She supported Bush. And I do think she was wrong for doing that, as I previously stated.
I’ll write in Al Gore before I vote for any of the scumbags the Republican Party is parading around as Presidential candidates.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:45 am“I could care less if the man had an orgy with circus dwarves in the rose garden, its the lying to the grand jury that is the problem.
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:44 am”
YET…… You seem to have no problem with ALL the lies this adminstration has performed, as well as the laws they have broken…..
Can you say H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 amPresident Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,
Why are you very popular with the Leftists?
Comment by The Joker
He is a stud. You could land a Boeing 737 between those shoulders. ;)
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 amThat neither I, nor Tundra, got to share in that executive perk.
Comment by squegeebooo
We’ve known all along that contempt for Bill is just misplaced jealousy.
Poor baby, can’t find anyone to suck your little ding-ding? WAAAAH!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:47 amits the lying to the grand jury that is the problem.
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:44 am
What about lying to the whole country to start a war we didn’t need to fight, that has killed over 3,000 American Service men, and unknown number of Iraqi’s, squandered our standing in the world, and placed our country deeply in debt?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:47 amIs that it? No more military questions? Hello? Is that the best you can do?
Good gravy, the liberal comfort-girls service a few Filipino merchant sailors and start calling themselves veterans. Sad state of affairs, yes indeedy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:47 amJuan C,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:47 amYou see Al-Jazarri is didding us Hispanics?
You live in Mexico and he’s attacked Mexicans.
Want to join me in atatcking this Moon worshiping, Dog hating Cultist?
Damn, you cheer Shock and Awe but disapprove a blowjob? There is something really, really wrong.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 10:41 am
King James I should have locked the Puritans up instead of letting them go take over a big country….see what the result is now?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:48 amI’ll write in Al Gore before I vote for any of the scumbags the Republican Party is parading around as Presidential candidates.
Comment by unbelievable — June 22, 2007 @ 10:45 am
Sweet Jesus! Look at what you’re saying… Has America sunk so low that neither party has a candidate worthy of becoming President and that we’d even consider speaking the words “President Al Gore”?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:48 amGive me something to put thought into and I will.
I did. I gave plenty. Not my fault if it’s over your head.
If your whole argument is “Bush has kids, so they must serve.†Theres no point to getting further into it.
Except that that’s no where near my argument. Sheesh…
It says nothing about the validity of the war.
Yes it does. If it were such a humanitarian war, then there are plenty of non-combat jobs for the twins…
All it says is that his children, as adults, have come to a decision on their own on if they want to serve their country or not, just like every person does when they turn 18.
Except that their father is the President…
Some choose to serve, others choose not to and theres nothing more to read into it, unless they, not you, then try and turn their decision into a political statement.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 10:22 am
It is political. And socio-economic.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:49 am‘Actually, no you cannot. Mimimum wage jobs are not living wage jobs.”
Comment by unbelievable
Minimum-wage jobs are designed to aide starter-workers in getting in the basic work experience they need. It’s been verified that the raising of the minimum-wage has actually cut these jobs and has made it tougher for someone needing experience to start-on so they can move-up. It’s not about a “living wage” in this case. If someone needs more money, they should man it out for the time being and get a second job. Hey, more experience can’t hurt.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:49 amunbelievable
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:50 amI’ll write in Al Gore before I vote for any of the scumbags the Republican Party is parading around as Presidential candidates.
Hey, what about Ron Paul? Or are you only talking about the ones who have an actual shot of getting the nomination.
coachjason,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:50 amThere is a choice Bloomberg 2008!
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Let’s see if I can think of one that you can’t google…
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:50 amWhat’s Rumint?
its the lying to the grand jury that is the problem.
Comment by Man
Oh, Lying!!! Oh, thats a terrible offense, right? So lie about a blowjob you get impeached, but lie about aluminium tubes, mushroom clouds and sh*t…and you get a library? Hypocresy as always.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:51 am“Is that it? No more military questions? Hello? Is that the best you can do?
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:47 am”
I’m still waiting for you to answer my original questions about the military…..
Provide the damn information or shut the hell up….
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:51 amSweet Jesus! Look at what you’re saying… Has America sunk so low that neither party has a candidate worthy of becoming President and that we’d even consider speaking the words “President Al Gore�
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 10:48 am
America is a perfect democracy. HL Mencken called it 100 years ago.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 amCan you say H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-?
Can you? Have you been spending your time demanding prison time for Clinton after engaging in his illegal war in the Balkans? Arent you a bit suspicious of the no-bid contracts Clinton awarded to Halliburton after the illegal 78-day bombing campaign he initiated without U.N. sanction? Serbia was no threat to us, yet we bombed and invaded…the horror!
Please, if Bush had a (D) after his name you mewlers wouldnt be saying a peep.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 amRamboTroll ,
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:53 amLike an ignorant Conservative you don’t get it.
With cost of living, the minimum wage should be $30,000-35,000.
Although I’m on the Right I’m not a Corporatist like you.
Look at Hedge funds only paying 15% on taxes.
Yet I’m in the 28% bracket!
They should pay 40% as thaey have made billions over the last 3 years!
Restate the question or see #129 and presumably learn to read.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 amI have to admit, I am pretty underwhelmed by all of the available candidates for president so far. I think 2008 is going to be a long year.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:55 amWant to join me in atatcking this Moon worshiping, Dog hating Cultist?
Comment by The Joker
Let me see my activities in the weekend and I will let you know. Yes, Im as concerned as you. The problem in Mexico is that 60 million people live in poverty. Thats got to be Muslim´s fault.
see what the result is now?
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:55 amComment by TerrytheTurtle
Ronald McDonald culture.
Ronald McDonald culture.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 10:55 am
Good choice for the ‘write in’ vote in 2008.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:56 amPlease, if Bush had a (D) after his name you mewlers wouldnt be saying a peep.
Comment by Man
Look at the past threads of TP when Congress approve the Iraq funding and read what people said about that.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 amComment by The Joker
The cost-of-living is one thing, the employer’s willingness to pay that minimum wage is another. They can simply eliminate the jobs.
I’m not a full-fledged corporatist. I was actully making a case to keep employment available to ill-educated, ill-experienced people. I’m forecasting on the economy as a whole, not advocating class warfare.
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 amDamn, you cheer Shock and Awe but disapprove a blowjob? There is something really, really wrong.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 10:41 am
You can say that again… :D
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 amSo now its congress? I thought we were talking about that nazi Bush and his oil war?
What exactly did we go into the Balkans for, to steal Tito’s gravestone?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:00 amExcept that that’s no where near my argument. Sheesh…
Your argument seems to consist of there being an de-facto economic draft and your example is the Bush twins.
Except that their father is the President…
Their father, not them. While it would be nice if they just played the political game he(probably) wants them to play, they don’t have to. President isn’t an inherited role in this country.
Yes it does. If it were such a humanitarian war, then there are plenty of non-combat jobs for the twins…
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 amBut there is still no requirement that they must serve. You need to expand your evidence beyond the Bush girls. Maybe use some statistics showing the economic make up of the military compared to the whole of the US for example. But so far you’ve been resting your entire argument on “But but but the Bush Twins.”
Hey remove, did you find #129 yet or are you still trying to figure out how to work the mouse?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 amWhat is SO freaking wrong with the US that a blowjob is much more important than bombing civilians?
First of all, it was never about a blowjob per se. It was about lying about it.
Secondly, what’s your point? You’re comparing immorality and corruption (blowjob + the lie) to actually performing as a commander-in-chief should (waging war against those who attacked us).
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:04 amWell for cripes sake, the libs have every right to pick on the Bush girls. Chelsea Clinton flew two dozen sorties against the serbs in her F-16…what did Jenna ever do?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:04 am“Hey remove, did you find #129 yet or are you still trying to figure out how to work the mouse?
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 11:02 am”
I’m still waiting for my questions to be answered……
Answer them, then this conversation can continue….
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:05 amWhat exactly did we go into the Balkans for, to steal Tito’s gravestone?
Comment by Man
I will agree with you everytime about that. Clinton bombed 5 countries, killed a lot of civilians. NATO excuse of going into the Balkans was to save people from genocide, but the real genocide began after the bombings, when exiled people tried to get back to their places. It was sold as a “humanitarian war”. I mean, WTF is that? States are no moral agents. Couldnt they possibly took Milosevic (IMF´s agent) before the conflict began? No, they solved things by bombing as if that has given good results before.
BUT!!! Bush record is ten times worse, and trying to defend that by saying Clinton did it…is…you know, STUPID.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:05 amRamboTroll,
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:06 amCorporations profits are at an all time high.
They can afford to pay their workers better.
Instead they spend it on their Mistresses in the South of France.
They’re traitors and the governemnt should brreak up the Corporate monopolies!
” (waging war against those who attacked us).
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 11:04 am”
HEY IDIOT!!!!!
Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:06 amto actually performing as a commander-in-chief should (waging war against those who attacked us).
Comment by MAF54
STFU. You are the laughing stock of the world.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 amI’m still waiting for my questions to be answered……
Answer them, then this conversation can continue….
Are you working a braille keyboard or something? RESTATE or see post #129. If there were questions that came after that they got lost in all the hubbub.
You dont even have to laboriously retype, just have someone copy and paste the questions for you.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 amActually Truman sent Military advisers and non-combat troops to help out the French. So if your going to use advisers as opposed to combat troops as a starting point, it’s still the Democrats that got us involved.
If you cannot differentiate between advisors and troops, I really don’t see how you’ll come to a non-biased opinion here.
Your absolutely right, I can’t get any service at the grocery store or the gas station or the fast food place, because all the middle and lower classes are gone.
Most of those people are students, not single, living with multiple roommates, deeply in debt, or are working another job. Get your facts straight before you try to suggest that those people are making it on their own.
Every one of them was forced to enlist due to their economic situation. All thats left is a line of people at the StarBucks drive thru in their H3s and Mercedes wondering where all the huddled masses who used to serve them went.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 10:42 am
Stop assuming absolutes. I never said everyone.
Actually, Starbuck’s has medical coverage for its employees – so it is an exception. So are grocery stores, by the way.
Try it for a year. Go work at a minimum wage job and see how that goes. Until you’ve experienced it, you really don’t know now do you? And before you ask, yes, I have. Short of doing it, however, Morgan Spurlock did it for you. He and his finance tried it. Together, they barely got by….
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 amIraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!!!!
Comment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Sure they did… they bought yellowcake from nigeria and Valerie Plame’s undercover husband (Joe Wilson) proved it except he would’nt tell the truth so we had to out his wife’s “undercover” status. DUH! ;-)
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 am“You dont even have to laboriously retype, just have someone copy and paste the questions for you.
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 11:08 am”
Tour just as capable of scrolling up the messages and finding them as I am…..
Answer the damn questions…
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:09 am#195: Did I say anything about 9/11. They attacked our allies in the early 1990s and GHB never finished the lesson he should have given them.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:09 amBUT!!! Bush record is ten times worse, and trying to defend that by saying Clinton did it…is…you know, STUPID.
No, what is stupid is the left deciding that Iraq is a bad war and Afghanistan is a good war while completely ignoring Clinton’s lack of cause for his “illegal” war.
Why arent you guys screaming about Afghanistan, they didnt attack us on 911?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 am“Sure they did… they bought yellowcake from nigeria and Valerie Plame’s undercover husband (Joe Wilson) proved it except he would’nt tell the truth so we had to out his wife’s “undercover†status. DUH! ;-)
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 11:08 am”
Oh…. That’s right…..
I forgot about that…. And it was written on that letterhead and stamp that was stolen from an Embasy just 2 months prior to the documents discovery to……
Slap me and call me Shirley….
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 amRamboTroll remarks:
“The Bush twins are just two pretty white girls, so they need to be kidnapped by Arabs so the media can ignore them and move on to actual unimportant non-sense.”
Here’s a pointer: The Bush twins aren’t responsible, nor do they provide any decisive input to their father’s policy. You should restrain yourself, ‘unbelievable’, to criticizing the actual administration instead of allowing your anger to spread towards any of their children.
No one people can’t take you leftists seriously, tripping over yourselves and all.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 amMAF54,
“They attacked our allies in the early 1990s and GHB never finished the lesson he should have given them.”
That’s because he was smarter than his boy. He realized that, while he could have taken Saddam down, he would be stuck in there the same way we are now. The end result would have been the same.
Unfortunately, ‘Lil Bush is a dumbass that answers to a higher father.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 am“Did I say anything about 9/11. They attacked our allies in the early 1990s and GHB never finished the lesson he should have given them.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 11:09 am”
Your comment was: “waging war against those who attacked us”
Now you want to TWIST it arround to mean something else….
Just like a typical Republican scum.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 amWe see, accounts on the Internet are “fictional.â€
Prove they are real…
I’m still waiting for you to prove the Democrats started Vietnam.
We think you have extreme self-righteousness issues.
We? You have multiple personalities?
You also think killing people is a good idea. What you think it obviously soooo valid. LOL
Do you know every member of the military, or do you know only those hate the military? Professional victims don’t count, you should know.
What the hell does that have to do with anything? Why must it be all or nothing for you trolls? Ridiculous.
Your account doesn’t speak for everyone. In fact, it speaks for very few people.
I never claimed to speak for everyone, as you do.
However, my percent is a sampling of enough actual people to qualify as valid. Yours is just speculative. Nor do you speak for all of anything either, so stop asserting that you do.
(Actual service members documented, by the way, with actual names, photos and other biographical information aren’t exactly “fictional people.â€)
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Yes, I’m sure in this day and age of stolen identities that people actually post ALL of that information. Stop lying. It’s obvious when you do.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 amTour just as capable of scrolling up the messages and finding them as I am
Heh, I just did. Your questions were answered at #129 and you got busted. Game over, you lose.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:13 amSpot on, girl!!! :)
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Thanks, but I doubt the trolls get it… Or they do get it but are to selfish to acknowledge that they get it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:14 amHere’s a pointer: The Bush twins aren’t responsible, nor do they provide any decisive input to their father’s policy.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Here’s the point you’re blatantly MISSING: If Bush had to consider, for just one second, that his daughters might have to serve in Iraq, he’d have thought twice before attacking. Now he’s looking to Iran? Easy to do when you play with other people’s kids. kind of like when he ruined his father’s companies… it wasn’t his company or his money so what did he care.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:15 amNo one people can’t take you leftists seriously, tripping over yourselves and all.
Indeed. It is kind of startling to see these “bleeding-heart, tolerant and compassionate” liberals calling for compulsory military service for the children of known public figures simply because the liberals disagree with their parents’ policies. Sins of the fathers to the sons and the daughters, indeed…
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 amSweet Jesus! Look at what you’re saying… Has America sunk so low that neither party has a candidate worthy of becoming President and that we’d even consider speaking the words “President Al Gore�
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 10:48 am
I sure hope so :D
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 amCorporations profits are at an all time high.
They can afford to pay their workers better.
Instead they spend it on their Mistresses in the South of France.
They’re traitors and the governemnt should brreak up the Corporate monopolies!
Comment by The Joker
You have an excellent point there, and I know that corporations can afford to pay higher wages. Perhaps imposing a higher-minimum wage on companies with a certain asset range and making it flexible with mom-and-pop businesses should be in order. Mom-and-pop business, to clarify, are where I am centering my arguments.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 am“Heh, I just did. Your questions were answered at #129 and you got busted. Game over, you lose.
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 11:13 am”
OK, sorry my bad…….
However, your still did not provide the information…… I realize that there are differences between the services, but ALL of them have identification to their MOS, or job title…….
“Nope, gunners mate, USS Vincennes, USS Carl Vinson.
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 10:34 am”
OK…. Site the military alphabet.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:17 amNo, what is stupid is the left deciding that Iraq is a bad war and Afghanistan is a good war while completely ignoring Clinton’s lack of cause for his “illegal†war.
Comment by Man
Im going to ask you. What do you mean by the left? I hope you can provide a meaningful answer, cuz I ask all trolls about this, and they really dont know what they mean by left, eventhough they are very fond of that word.
Im against the occupation of Afghanistan as well. Terrorism cant be fought by invading countries. Afghanistan is about surrounding Iran, getting the oilpipes and getting opium record production.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:17 amunbelievable
If you cannot differentiate between advisors and troops, I really don’t see how you’ll come to a non-biased opinion here.
Really is that how you remeber it, cause heres what happened, just scroll up the comments:
1. I say Eisenhower sent advisers, Kennedy sent troops
2. You say, at least you admit that Eisenhower started it
3. I saw, well if your counting advisers as starting it, Truman sent advisers before Eisenhower, so Truman started it using that logic
4. You try and claim that I don’t know the difference between troops and avisers.
How the heck did you get to 4? Your the one who claimed advisers count as starting it, and then claim I’m un-biased when I bring Truman’s contribution’s into it, to show that either by combat troop standards or military adviser standards it’s still a democrat who got the ball rolling. Really? Really?
Most of those people are students, not single, living with multiple roommates, deeply in debt, or are working another job. Get your facts straight before you try to suggest that those people are making it on their own.
I never said they were making it on their own, I just used it to show that not everyone in the middle or lower class, not even the majority of those people, are serving in the military.
Try it for a year. Go work at a minimum wage job and see how that goes. Until you’ve experienced it, you really don’t know now do you?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 amYou mean like I did for 6 years? 4 of which were living on my own?
Why arent you guys screaming about Afghanistan, they didnt attack us on 911?
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 11:10 am
But the person who did attack us was hiding in Afghanistan, and the Taliban was refusing to hand him over, or is Bin Laden, just not that important to you?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 amEasy to do when you play with other people’s kids
Who have volunteered for the job. Why don’t you get it?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 amI sure hope so :D
Comment by unbelievable — June 22, 2007 @ 11:16 am
I know millions agree with you, but he’s a one subject candidate (we’ll 2 if you count that he’s not a repub.)
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 amMinimum-wage jobs are designed to aide starter-workers in getting in the basic work experience they need.
That’s fine in theory – in reality, it’s not the case. Corporate greed is the reason the reality is so different from the theory.
It’s been verified that the raising of the minimum-wage has actually cut these jobs and has made it tougher for someone needing experience to start-on so they can move-up. It’s not about a “living wage†in this case.
Link? You’ll have to prove that with verifiable data, because everything I’ve ever seen proves the exact opposite.
If someone needs more money, they should man it out for the time being and get a second job. Hey, more experience can’t hurt.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 10:49 am
Get a second job? And then you’ll bitch that their kids are juvenile delinquents because their parents aren’t spending time with them…. Jesus you’re callous.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:19 amWho have volunteered for the job. Why don’t you get it?
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 11:18 am
No they volunteered to SERVE AMERICA, not Iraq. If for one second the option of preemptively entering, controlling, and/or conquering a destitute soverign nation was a possibility, I know I would not have enlisted. I got duped and so did millions of others.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 amIf someone needs more money, they should man it out for the time being and get a second job.
Comment by RamboTroll
mmmm…the classical, ignorant two jobs card. Stupidly played as always.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 ammmmm…the classical, ignorant two jobs card. Stupidly played as always.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Well DUH! We all have an extra 30-40 hours a week, on top of the 40 we already work.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:23 amYou’re comparing immorality and corruption (blowjob + the lie)
Comment by MAF54(Foley?) — June 22, 2007 @ 11:04 am
since when is receiving oral favors, and then denying it to save your marriage, considered corrupt?
Secondly, I’ve brought this up many a times here at TP (only to be filtered half the time for using anatomically correct wording), yet no troll can respond. Here I go again:
According to the Paula Jones legal case, “sexual relations” was defined as “when the p*nis pentrates the v*gina”
When Clinton was asked “Did you have sexual relations with that girl?”, and he answered “no”….
He
Was
Not
LYING!!!
Do ya’ll get it yet?
Immoral? Yes
Liar? No
Worth the millions upon millions taxpayer’s money for impeachment? HELL NO!
But what is so friggin’ funny, is, that is all you got on “Slick Willy”
Your “Blame Clinton for 9/11″ always falls flat.
What is not so friggin’ hilarious, is you’re more worried about someone
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:23 amelse’s fellatio, then the families of the more than 3000 soldiers dead, all due to bogus claims
Shame!
If you’ve ever served in any branch of the military you’d know it’s a burden. Your pay is crap, the benifits suck
I didn’t take my time as a burden, sorry to hear you did. I was proud to do it.
The pay is crap, well… Considering you get free food/housing and free medical/dental I wasn’t that upset (Cola was nice too)
Benefits suck? The health care and dental while you are in are insane. You get anything fixed you need and no waiting. It’s when you get into the VA system everything sucks.
Before you ask I was an 11Bravo in the Army stationed at Ft Ord California before they closed it, Schofield Barracks HI and South Camp Sinai Egypt. I had 2 deployments.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:23 ambut ALL of them have identification to their MOS, or job title…….
There is no MOS in the navy, your job is called your “rating”. I was a Gunners Mate (GM), and made E5 which would have been petty officer second class (two chevrons under the crossed cannons and eagle), about equal to a sergeant had I been in the Marines.
Im not citing the military alphabet since I honestly dont remember all of them (I would definately trip up at Q), I wasnt a signalman and GM’s dont have to worry about it. Wait, Ill take a shot.
Alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot golf hotel india (dont remember J) kilo lima mike november oscar (dont remember Q) romeo sierra tango uniform victor whiskey xray (dont remember Y) zulu.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:24 amOh, this just happened.
NATO airstrikes, clashes kill 25 Afghans
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:24 amJuan C
mmmm…the classical, ignorant two jobs card. Stupidly played as always
Two jobs suck. 70+ hour weeks, 0 overtime. But still better pay than just one 40 hour a week job.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:24 amSomeone actually works only for 30-40 hours a week? Jeez….
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:25 am“Who have volunteered for the job. Why don’t you get it?
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 11:18 am”
Yet your too chicken$hit to support something physically, as you would rather provide LIP service…… Are you sure your name is not Monica??
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:25 amWe all have an extra 30-40 hours a week, on top of the 40 we already work.
Comment by coachjason
Are we actually agreeing? Sorry, about the namecalling last time.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 am“Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 11:23 am”
From one vet to another…..
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 amComment by coachjason
“Here’s the point you’re blatantly MISSING: If Bush had to consider, for just one second, that his daughters might have to serve in Iraq, he’d have thought twice before attacking. Now he’s looking to Iran? Easy to do when you play with other people’s kids. kind of like when he ruined his father’s companies… it wasn’t his company or his money so what did he care.”
Except that his daughters, like anyone else, can currently choose whether or not to serve. Some are not the combat-type, by the way, so let’s not assume that his daughters would be fit. If there was a genuine threat to our country, certainly debatable, I wouldn’t base a defense strategy on the prospects of my own children serving.
These are kids (or they were when the conflicts started) and these are full grown-ups making these choices. You’re projecting an isolated scenario that should never come about in making tough decisions like these.
There is already an all-volunteer military in place. Blame the congress, including Democrats, for enabling this conflict.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:27 amYour argument seems to consist of there being an de-facto economic draft and your example is the Bush twins.
Nope. My argument is that the rich generally will not voluntarily serve in the military, while the poor are it’s main component, and that this is predicated on the fact that they are poor in the first place, not because they are some how more interested in getting shot at that other people.
President isn’t an inherited role in this country.
But money is? Why the double standard? If you’re going to get Daddy’s $ because you some how earned them, then why get a pass on his other attributes?
But there is still no requirement that they must serve.
I never said that they must serve. I said that their lack of service is telling to the validitiy of their father’s cause. And it is…
You need to expand your evidence beyond the Bush girls. Maybe use some statistics showing the economic make up of the military compared to the whole of the US for example.
And waste my time in posting numbers that will be dismissed because since when do facts matter to you righties?
But so far you’ve been resting your entire argument on “But but but the Bush Twins.â€
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Not at all. That’s just what you’ve tried to reduce it to because you can only take down a strawman and not my actual argument.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:27 amPride can be a burden in any situation… wasn’t just my burden to bear either (my wife and son had to also). The free food and housing sucked, maybe it was better in California and Egypt.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 amLoved the dentist too, having a tooth pulled was such a blast. It was surely a step above pliers and Jack Daniels… come to think of it, I’d have preferred the J.D.
YES the VA Sucks!
No they volunteered to SERVE AMERICA, not Iraq.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 amThat’s not a soldier’s call to make – as any of our brave veterans here will surely tell us.
No, we think Jenna and Barbara Bush should go to Iraq because they shouldn’t be exempt from fighting for their father’s war…
Especially when there is a need for them to go.
Comment by unbelievable — June 22, 2007 @ 9:59 am
Unfortunately, Unbelievable, if you believe that, then Chelsea Clinton should also go due to the fact that Hillary voted for and still supports this war…
Comment by coachjason
Zing! Ouch! unbelievable never mentions Chelsea
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 amTwo jobs suck. 70+ hour weeks, 0 overtime. But still better pay than just one 40 hour a week job.
Comment by squegeebooo
This is the thing. What if life becomes so expensive you need 3 jobs? or 4 or 5? Who is goona stop that? Will you say, hey, bad financial decisions or get another job? Or get a better job? It is not about the jobs, it is about the system. But, ok, we clap when a Wal-Mart CEO makes 22 million bonus for getting to the goal. That how dumb we are.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:29 amWhat is SO freaking wrong with the US that a blowjob is much more important than bombing civilians?
Nothing, I just noted it was Monica’s birthday this week.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:30 am“Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 11:24 am”
OK, but this could be retrieved with some well searched web sites….
Though from your comments, I believe you know them (or at least did).
If a squad is being marched toward a cliff, and they are one step from being led over the cliff….. What is the only word(s) that can be uttered to stop them in their place so they do not fall off the cliff?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:30 amBut the person who did attack us was hiding in Afghanistan, and the Taliban was refusing to hand him over, or is Bin Laden, just not that important to you?
So we will overthrow the legitimate government of a sovereign nation just to get one guy? Your liberal friends are starting to question your allegiance.
Then I would expect you have been ringing up the White House to voice your support for attacking Iran. Iran is the training hub for Hezbollah, you remember, the guys that killed 200+ Marines in Lebanon and have committed countless other atrocities against our citizens and our allies. Hezbollah is considered by terrorism experts as being as potentially deadly as AQ. Or is that just not important to you?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:30 amMan, still waiting for your definition of left… Hello? Hello?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 amTHANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!
Comment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 11:26 am
THANK YOU TOO RemoveBush!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 amYou should restrain yourself, ‘unbelievable’, to criticizing the actual administration instead of allowing your anger to spread towards any of their children.
You’re the one foaming at the mouth. Stop projecting your hate onto me.
The Bush twins are following in Daddy’s footsteps – drunka nd useless. I was simply suggesting a more patriot route for them, and you call that anger? LOL Silly troll.
No one people can’t take you leftists seriously, tripping over yourselves and all.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Huh? Now you’re just making incoherent generalizations because you can’t prove that the Democrtas started Vietnam or refute anything else I’ve said? Just better to pretend your going to lunch now. Saves you more face than if you stay and keep proving you can’t argue on merits…
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 amIf a squad is being marched toward a cliff, and they are one step from being led over the cliff….. What is the only word(s) that can be uttered to stop them in their place so they do not fall off the cliff?
I have no idea, I was a swabbie not a grunt so Im afraid I cant answer this one.
Why do they call the forecastle (foc’sle) of a ship the ‘zoo’? Or better yet, who is the first guy into the room when fighting a compartment fire?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 amNot at all. That’s just what you’ve tried to reduce it to because you can only take down a strawman and not my actual argument.
Your actual argument is a strawman until you get some actual facts to back it up. The war, and inherently the entire structure of the military, isn’t valid because not enough rich people, such as the Bush twins, are serving in the military is what you keep repeating, now back it up.
Nope. My argument is that the rich generally will not voluntarily serve in the military, while the poor are it’s main component
Does the military have a higher percentage of poor people in it than any other industry? The poor and middle class tend to make up large parts of retail chains, and restaurants, and the majority of industries, because the poor and middle class tend to make up the majority of our population.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 amI never said that they must serve. I said that their lack of service is telling to the validitiy of their father’s cause. And it is…
No it’s not…
“Hezbollah is considered by terrorism experts as being as potentially deadly as AQ. Or is that just not important to you?
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 11:30 am”
It’s important, but you can’t fight terrorism by INVADING countries….
Its done through LAW ENFORCEMENT TECHNIQUES…..
Things like surveilence, infiltration, and capture and conviction, sentencing, jail.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 am“I have no idea, I was a swabbie not a grunt so Im afraid I cant answer this one.
Why do they call the forecastle (foc’sle) of a ship the ‘zoo’? Or better yet, who is the first guy into the room when fighting a compartment fire?
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 11:34 am”
So the Navy does not march in basic????
They don’t train how to use gas masks????
ODD…. Considering that in the ocean they would have no protection from a chemical bomb dropped on the ship.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 amIran is the training hub for Hezbollah, you remember, the guys that killed 200+ Marines in Lebanon and have committed countless other atrocities against our citizens and our allies. Hezbollah is considered by terrorism experts as being as potentially deadly as AQ.
I’m sure you can back all of that up with some facts and sources or perhaps not. Go for it.
I’d careful with your causus belli based on nations who allegedly align themselves with non-governmental militaries…..
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 amThe Bush twins are following in Daddy’s footsteps – drunk and useless.
Sounds like just about every liberal I’ve known. Except perhaps that they’re not averse to doing illegal drugs, too.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 amEasy to do when you play with other people’s kids. kind of like when he ruined his father’s companies… it wasn’t his company or his money so what did he care.
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Well said!
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 amZing! Ouch! unbelievable never mentions Chelsea
Homo, if your name didnt give me the creeps Id shake your hand. Good on ya.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 amIf a squad is being marched toward a cliff, and they are one step from being led over the cliff….. What is the only word(s) that can be uttered to stop them in their place so they do not fall off the cliff?
The prepatory command is Squad.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 am“That’s fine in theory – in reality, it’s not the case. Corporate greed is the reason the reality is so different from the theory.”
THEORY? Have you ever heard of entry-level jobs? People have to start somewhere, don’t they? I didn’t give a crap what the pay was, I was grateful for the opportunity to work that first job! Yikes.
“Link? You’ll have to prove that with verifiable data, because everything I’ve ever seen proves the exact opposite.”
Retrieving, will post momentarily…
“Get a second job? And then you’ll bitch that their kids are juvenile delinquents because their parents aren’t spending time with them…. Jesus you’re callous.”
I think I was speaking for younger people needing to move-up. As for the kids, if people don’t have the education/skill set/experience to adequately support them and not have to work at menial jobs 40+ hours a week, they should decide not to have children until then. Having children while being in poverty is not mandatory. I don’t like the defense of people who choose to make uninformed decisions.
Your ideology, frankly, wouldn’t help workers, it would destroy the economy. I think you need a brush-up on the way the class system works along with other economic complexities.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:38 amComments by unbelievable are full of hate.
Must be a religious nut in some wacky cult.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 amHow the heck did you get to 4?
Reading comprehension
Your the one who claimed advisers count as starting it, and then claim I’m un-biased when I bring Truman’s contribution’s into it, to show that either by combat troop standards or military adviser standards it’s still a democrat who got the ball rolling. Really? Really?
No, I didn’t. Stop putting your words in my mouth.
There’s a difference between advising the French fighting their war, and sending in troops to participate. Hello?
I never said they were making it on their own, I just used it to show that not everyone in the middle or lower class, not even the majority of those people, are serving in the military.
Oh yes you did. And to claim you weren’t is still invalid because I never claimed that everyone poor was in the military.
You mean like I did for 6 years? 4 of which were living on my own?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Student loans and trust funds don’t count. As I already stated, not everyone qualifies.
Look, not everyone can go to college. As long as those people can make a living wage, then that’s acceptable. It’s when the rich aren’t happy with rich and want super-rich status at the expense of full-time hard-working people that it’s neither fair nor ethical and we’re going to call you out on it.
Stop being greedy. That’s the point.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 am“Hezbollah is considered by terrorism experts as being as potentially deadly as AQ. Or is that just not important to you?
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 11:30 amâ€
Funny how Israel didnt complain about Hezbollah becuz it was an organization opposing OPL.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 amThis is silly you all have allowed MAF54 to turn the conversation into a class war. That is not what this is about it is about people who vehemently support the war who refuse to serve and who do not encourage their children to serve either. War supporters tend to not support the war with their own physical presence or their tax dollars because it is eminently apparent today that the war supporters are republicans and they do not want to fund the war, they only want to reduce governmental income as they ratchet up their spending. Case in point if military recruiters went to a college republican meeting they would come up with 100% support for the work they do, 100% support for the war and 0% enlistments. I have a friend who is a recruiter and he laughed at me when I suggested that he go to a college republican meeting to recruit. He had tried and failed. His best success is with the younger set who would typically be described as democrats based on their demographics.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 amMust be a religious nut in some wacky cult.
Comment by Ima Homo
I doubt unbelievable is raping boys and throwing bombs over kids.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 amEasy to do when you play with other people’s kids.
Once they are 18 they are no longer kids. They are adults who made a choice. Each and everyone of them deserves that respect, calling them uninformed kids who made poor choices is BS.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 amSo the Navy does not march in basic????
Oh sure we marched a bit, some basic drill with old Springfields and such (we called marching ‘The Grinder’) but certainly nothing on par with what the army does. Not much need for marching on ships, ya know? I would expect my bootcamp used phrases that you wouldnt recognize either.
They don’t train how to use gas masks????
We had the basic teargas house; drop your mask, breath in, run like hell for the door. The ships had better and more advanced equipment but geared toward firefighting.
ODD…. Considering that in the ocean they would have no protection from a chemical bomb dropped on the ship
Thats where youre wrong. Ships have something called a washdown system, basically a fire suppression system mounted on the outside of the ship which uses pumped seawater to create a constant halo of water to sluice the vessel. Meanwhile, the crew is in condition Z which is as tight as you can make things. Unfortunately my ABC attack shelter was the forward pump room, and when the ship was dead in the water, sloshing around in that little room got people to upchucking.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 am“The prepatory command is Squad.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 11:37 am”
Wrong…..
There is ONLY ONE WORD that will stop the squad that is one step away from going off the cliff…..
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:44 amJuan C.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:45 amThis is the thing. What if life becomes so expensive you need 3 jobs? or 4 or 5? Who is goona stop that?
I tried the 60+ hour thing while in school, nearly collapsed after about 1/2 a semester, so I quite on of the jobs and only worked like that over the summers/breaks. Meant I had to get a bigger loan for school, but it was the right decision. I had friends who choose to quit school instead, they had extra spending money for a few years, but now they generally regret the decision they went with.
“Once they are 18 they are no longer kids. They are adults who made a choice. Each and everyone of them deserves that respect, calling them uninformed kids who made poor choices is BS.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 11:44 am”
To some degree this is true…
However, if I came from a family that had money then I would not have eyed the military to provide me with experience in the field of my AA degree and to provide funding for my BS degree…..
The people in the military are LARGELY from households that are lower middle class and below.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 amWrong…..
There is ONLY ONE WORD that will stop the squad that is one step away from going off the cliff…..
Comment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 11:44 am
I beg to differ sir. Since you mentioned a squad sized element the command would be “Squad Halt”
With squad being the prepatory command.
If you were doing a platoon it would be
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 am“Platoon Halt”
With platoon being the ffirst or prepatory portion of the command. Which is uttered as the left foot strikes the marching surface.
Funny how Israel didnt complain about Hezbollah becuz it was an organization opposing OPL.
Not funny really, its survival. Funny too how Israel suddenly released frozen funding for Fatah once Hamas kicked them out of Gaza, the better of two bad options in this case considering the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade belongs to Fatah.
The enemy of my enemy and all that.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 amSqueegee, sorry if im too blunt. I dont care about you or your anecdotal evidence (soft science!!! ;) The system is wrong if a single mom has to feed their kids with 3 jobs. Tundra and you, live in lala land thinking that everyone have access to the same opportunities you had. Your arguments are always: But I did…my friend had…all the people I know…come on. Get real, take a look at the world and tell how many people do not struggle to survive.
MAN, IM STILL WAITING, BUDDY. THANKS.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 amThe people in the military are LARGELY from households that are lower middle class and below.
Comment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 11:47 am
I did not dispute that at all. I just said that they wern’t “Kids”, they were adults and think they earned that title.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 amOnce they are 18 they are no longer kids. They are adults who made a choice. Each and everyone of them deserves that respect, calling them uninformed kids who made poor choices is BS.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Okey dokey pokey… So since they are 18, their parents don’t consider them their childern anymore? Now I get it, I’m supposed to cut my kids off when they turn 18. Besides that, how many of those all grown up 18 year olds have had the chance to vote yet? So they never even get to decide who’s sending them where.
Each and everyone of them deserves that respect, calling them uninformed kids who made poor choices is BS.
So I guess we’ll call them respectable men (and women) who have made poor uninformed choices. That make you happy?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 am“You’re the one foaming at the mouth. Stop projecting your hate onto me.”
WOW, you’re head is truly on backwards. “Liberalism means never having to say your sorry.” I bet you cherish that cheap protection so much. Stop projecting your extremist views, please.
“The Bush twins are following in Daddy’s footsteps – drunka nd useless. I was simply suggesting a more patriot route for them, and you call that anger? LOL Silly troll.”
They’re both graduates of top-notch colleges and reportedly have been engaged in community service, including teaching, etc. They partied while in college, what of it? They’re fit for combat all of a sudden because of it.
“Huh? Now you’re just making incoherent generalizations because you can’t prove that the Democrtas started Vietnam or refute anything else I’ve said? Just better to pretend your going to lunch now. Saves you more face than if you stay and keep proving you can’t argue on merits…”
Actually, squegeeboo made short work of your outdated contention. Have there been any of your fellow leftists on this thread rushing to defend your ridiculous assertions? If so, any substantial postings besides loony talking points? If John F. Kennedy gave the official call to send combat troops there, that’s all I need to know in terms of the war’s beginning.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 am“I beg to differ sir. Since you mentioned a squad sized element the command would be “Squad Haltâ€
With squad being the prepatory command.
If you were doing a platoon it would be
“Platoon Haltâ€
With platoon being the ffirst or prepatory portion of the command. Which is uttered as the left foot strikes the marching surface.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 11:48 am”
Wrong again….
That takes two steps to complete the command….
The ONLY word that will stop the squad in its steps is…..
GAS!
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 ammmmm…the classical, ignorant two jobs card. Stupidly played as always.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 11:21 am
“You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that.” (Bush speaking to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005)
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 amThe enemy of my enemy and all that.
Comment by Man
Let me introduce you to: Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Contras and all the terrorist organizations that US and Israel supports right now that will turn against you.
I guess that when you saw the two planes crashing the WTC, you said: Jeez…the enemy of my enemy and all that.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 amTundra and you, live in lala land thinking that everyone have access to the same opportunities you had.
Since you decided to come to me on this Juan. Most everybody does have the same opportunities I did. It’s called the military.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:52 amThat’s not a soldier’s call to make – as any of our brave veterans here will surely tell us.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 11:28 am
Then it isn’t voluntary…
Make up your mind.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:53 amJuan C
Your arguments are always: But I did…my friend had…all the people I know…come on.
And the issue with that is what?
Single mom with kids working 3 minimum wage jobs? Unless her partner died or left her, she made some bad decisions to get into that position. Now she gets to live with them. Hopefully her kids will notice this and make better decisions. If they don’t? Oh well, some one has to be on the bottom tier. Hopefully their kids will see dad and grandma, and then make the right choices.
Get real, take a look at the world and tell how many people do not struggle to survive.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 amThe ones who choose not to, and then actively pursue that choice.
Wrong again….
That takes two steps to complete the command….
The ONLY word that will stop the squad in its steps is…..
GAS!
Comment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Touche sir’
I got wrapped up in the general premise and missed the specifics. Well played.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 amZing! Ouch! unbelievable never mentions Chelsea
Comment by Ima Homo — June 22, 2007 @ 11:28 am
Keep reading the comments Einstein, I think she’s fair game as well.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:55 amSorry juan, I had more interesting convos going. What I meant by “the left” or “lefties” (or whatever I said) is the colloquial use of the term to describe those who more probably devote themselves to the DFL.
Sorry, nothing deeper than that Im afraid. Im not going to get into full blown arguments about ‘progressive’ or ‘liberal’ or whatever. I use “the left” as a shortcut for democrats, interchangable with liberals, libs, lefties, dems, whatever. Take it for what it is. Happy now?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:55 amIt’s called the military.
Comment by Tundra
really? How about 15 y/o Albanian hookers? Bangladesh 8 y/o labor slaves? Nicaraguan kids? Huh? Do they have the military too? US centrism…as always.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:56 am#275: What’s your problem? They signed a contract voluntarily. Either they break the contract and face the consequences (which does not make the service involuntarily) or they uphold their oath and do as they’re told.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:56 amLunch time, I’ll chekc back later
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 amTake it for what it is. Happy now?
Comment by Man
Heh. You really dont have a clue, right? Ok. This is a suggestion. You need to go to Europe, talk to the Unions there, to University students and learn what the left is. What you have in the US is the dumb ignorant inbred kind of right and a moderate faction. Thats all. You could choke knowing what the left is.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:59 amLet me introduce you to: Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Contras and all the terrorist organizations that US and Israel supports right now that will turn against you.
Well these relationships evolve and sometimes regress, now dont they? Ive seen some embarrassing pics of FDR sitting chummily with Stalin at Yalta. Expediency sometimes trumps long-term concerns.
Ok, its lunch, Ill be back later to continue if you like.
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:59 amreally? How about 15 y/o Albanian hookers? Bangladesh 8 y/o labor slaves? Nicaraguan kids? Huh? Do they have the military too? US centrism…as always.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Unlike most of my counterparts (and you as well). I choose to stay out of other countries affairs. Personally I couldn’t give a rats furry bottom about them. I wish the U.S would just stop giving money to the lot of them. You think we have some civic duty to tell them what to do, then when we do you complain that we aren’t doing it your way.
Which is it. Go to Albania, Bangledesh and Nicaragua and forse them to do things our way (Using force if it gets that far, because anything else is just a bully threatening) or stay out of their business? You don’t get to have it both ways.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:00 pm“What’s your problem? They signed a contract voluntarily. Either they break the contract and face the consequences (which does not make the service involuntarily) or they uphold their oath and do as they’re told.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 11:56 am”
Right!!!!
And if they don’t follow the order, even if they believe it to be illegal and can prove it, they are punished heavily under this administration…..
Nice try, and thanks for showing us that you know nothing about the military.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:00 pmYour actual argument is a strawman until you get some actual facts to back it up.
The facts do back me up. You just won’t accept it. Here’s a fact for you – name all the rich people serving in Iraq. Or, you can just name the children of the rich people who ‘represent us’.
The war, and inherently the entire structure of the military, isn’t valid because not enough rich people, such as the Bush twins, are serving in the military is what you keep repeating, now back it up.
I have. Not my fault if you cannot or will not comprehend.
No it’s not…
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Wow… You’re really the mdoel for proving facts, aren’t you. Silly…
http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/Demographics.asp
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:01 pmSounds like just about every liberal I’ve known. Except perhaps that they’re not averse to doing illegal drugs, too.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 11:36 am
Liar
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 pmRe281: There is your problem again. When you volunteer to join the military and “do your part” you are led to believe that it’s to protect you fellow countrymen (as others have done for you). When you sign up and go thru basic and all that thinking you’ll be ready to fight off any attacker. Then they tell you the enemy is someone who poses no threat to our security but they MIGHT have a nuke that no one has seen (and has yet to see).
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 pmOf course, basically they volunteered, but using your logic, we could just tell them they don’t get chow anymore, they get turdburgers. Hey, after all, they volunteered to eat turdburgers right?
Thats all. You could choke knowing what the left is.
One last post before I hit the B-King. Youre getting all worked up over nothing, its just a freelance casual term and youre getting bent out of shape over it. Its nothing personal dude, I just dont feel like typing out “progressives” (or whatever you call yourselves these days) every time I talk about you guys. Relax.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 pm“You think we have some civic duty to tell them what to do, then when we do you complain that we aren’t doing it your way.
Which is it. Go to Albania, Bangledesh and Nicaragua and forse them to do things our way (Using force if it gets that far, because anything else is just a bully threatening) or stay out of their business? You don’t get to have it both ways.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 12:00 pm”
Actually, that is largely the Republican mode of thinking….
Sure the Dems like to help, but their general premis is to offer assistance.
The Republicans general premis is DO IT OUR WAY OR WE WILL BOMB THE CRAP OUT OF YOU.
Don’t thinks so??? Well then….. How about that little document that sat on the Presidents desk just days before 9/11 that would AUTHORIZE a strike against the Taliban in Afganistan for REFUSING to allow the oil pipe to cut through the country…..
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 pmre289: I Meant Re282 my bad… fat fingers…
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:06 pmTHEORY? Have you ever heard of entry-level jobs? People have to start somewhere, don’t they? I didn’t give a crap what the pay was, I was grateful for the opportunity to work that first job! Yikes.
Your reading comprehension is missing some critical thinking skills.
When many older people are filling these ‘entry level’ jobs, it blows your theory.
I think I was speaking for younger people needing to move-up. As for the kids, if people don’t have the education/skill set/experience to adequately support them and not have to work at menial jobs 40+ hours a week, they should decide not to have children until then. Having children while being in poverty is not mandatory. I don’t like the defense of people who choose to make uninformed decisions.
Make up your mind. Either you want these people to be obedient little Christian sheep who be fruitful and multiply or you do not…. Sheesh.
Your ideology, frankly, wouldn’t help workers, it would destroy the economy. I think you need a brush-up on the way the class system works along with other economic complexities.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 11:38 am
I have. Your turn…
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:06 pmSure the Dems like to help, but their general premis is to offer assistance.
And which side are you thinking of offering assistance to in Sudan?
The whole thought sounds like equipping Saddam or the Taliban and then fighting them later to me.
The original comment was about what we should do with the 15 yeahr olds and sex slaves etc. My answer is nothing, it’s their problem. As far as Bush or the Republicans, you won’t get me defending them on this one.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:08 pm…obedient little Christian sheep…
Comment by unbelievable — June 22, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Unbelievable… I know of your dislike for us christians, but this arguement had nothing to do with any religion… let’s not go down that road again please.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmI just dont feel like typing out “progressives†(or whatever you call yourselves these days) every time I talk about you guys. Relax.
Comment by Man — June 22, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Oh, so you have to be ‘Left’ to be ‘Progressive’ now do you?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmUnbelievable… Keep in mind that Christians are fed up with the Republicans and Bushco too.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:10 pmI choose to stay out of other countries affairs. I wish the U.S would just stop giving money to the lot of them. You think we have some civic duty to tell them what to do, then when we do you complain that we aren’t doing it your way.
Comment by Tundra
LMAO!!! Hahaha!! Man, I cant write, Im not trying to insult you in anyway, but thats simply so ridiculous.
If your country is the superpower it is becuz ALL THE RESOURCES YOU HAVE STOLEN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. Do you know how much you have robbed from Brazil? Columbia? Chile? Do you know how you force other countries to buy your shit? Do you know how much your corporations use child labor overseas so your products are cheaper? Do you know free trade is unexistant? Do you know that you forbid any country in Latinamerica to build an Otto engine?
I know, China will be the next Superpower, no doubt about that. And they will steal from other countries as Britain did before you. It is that simple. I recommend you a book: The Open Veins of Latinamerica of Eduardo Galeano. It will get you a good picture of what US, and Europe have done and are still doing.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:10 pmAnd if they don’t follow the order, even if they believe it to be illegal and can prove it, they are punished heavily under this administration…..
As they should. Maybe you’ve got some quaint idea of what military is supposed to be, but at least to me it means that the generals obey the civilian leadership and those commands are passed down the chain of command with no hesitation or resistance.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:13 pmWOW, you’re head is truly on backwards. “Liberalism means never having to say your sorry.†I bet you cherish that cheap protection so much. Stop projecting your extremist views, please.
I see you’re again admitting you have nothing, just a bunch of insults to hide behind. I figured as much. Get back to me when you have something of substance, otherwise, I’m bored with your lack of intelligence…
They’re both graduates of top-notch colleges and reportedly have been engaged in community service, including teaching, etc. They partied while in college, what of it? They’re fit for combat all of a sudden because of it.
Again, Daddy bought them the best, just like his daddy bought him. None of them have earned anything. Thanks for helping to make my point…
Actually, squegeeboo made short work of your outdated contention.
No he didn’t. But interesting to admit that you can’t.
Have there been any of your fellow leftists on this thread rushing to defend your ridiculous assertions?
They see that I’m handling you just fine on my own, but actually to answer your question – yes they have. It’s why you call us communists – because we work as teams rather than selfish individuals.
If so, any substantial postings besides loony talking points? If John F. Kennedy gave the official call to send combat troops there, that’s all I need to know in terms of the war’s beginning.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 11:49 am
How many history books have you published?
Exactly… Sheesh…
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:15 pm“And which side are you thinking of offering assistance to in Sudan?”
Neither….. We should bring them to the table and only assist in negotiations. We should never get into other countries business….. We should only offer assistance in working things out between the rivals.
“The whole thought sounds like equipping Saddam or the Taliban and then fighting them later to me.”
WHAT??? Where did anyone make that kind of statement?
“The original comment was about what we should do with the 15 yeahr olds and sex slaves etc. My answer is nothing, it’s their problem. As far as Bush or the Republicans, you won’t get me defending them on this one.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 12:08 pm”
Well, that is where I disagree… Especially when the Republicans have a sweat shop in the (I believe its the Virgin Isl..) that Ambroff was part of. That is why the Investigation into Ambroff was squashed (Partly).
When it comes to the kids, we should help them. They don’t have control over their lives until they are older, if we can’t protect them then what kind of a country are we?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:15 pmHugo Chavez sez: chupame Juan C!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 pm“As they should. Maybe you’ve got some quaint idea of what military is supposed to be, but at least to me it means that the generals obey the civilian leadership and those commands are passed down the chain of command with no hesitation or resistance.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 12:13 pm”
Then YOU should join the military and find out what it REALLY MEANS!!!!
BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:17 pmI know of your dislike for us christians, but this arguement had nothing to do with any religion… let’s not go down that road again please.
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
No deal Jason. Until you liberal Christians get the radicals under control, you are actually helping them turn our country into a theocracy – and as long as that is that case, I will not differentiate when I point out the violence, contradictions, and nonsense that is Christianity.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 pmComment by unbelievable
Your response to my latest post was absolutely nothing but talking points and other cheap one-liners. I think you need some help. Thankfully, those of your crazy ideology are not in the majority.
You ought to quit overrating yourself.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 pmOh, so you have to be ‘Left’ to be ‘Progressive’ now do you?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
I dont think he knows a lot of what is he talking about. He forgot about the semantics part of words.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:20 pm#303: If our military is beyond civilian control and the chain of command does not work as it should, we’re in some serious trouble.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:20 pmThey see that I’m handling you just fine on my own, but actually to answer your question – yes they have. It’s why you call us communists – because we work as teams rather than selfish individuals.
Comment by unbelievable
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This one thinks mighty high of itself.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmPlease keep reminding us how you are
so selfless – Remember to put it on your gravestone too.
Your response to my latest post was absolutely nothing but talking points and other cheap one-liners. I think you need some help. Thankfully, those of your crazy ideology are not in the majority.
Translation: RamboTroll is out of talking points.
You ought to quit overrating yourself.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Translation: RamboTroll hates people who don’t hate themselves.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:22 pm“ If our military is beyond civilian control and the chain of command does not work as it should, we’re in some serious trouble.
Comment by MAF54 — June 22, 2007 @ 12:20 pm”
Go back and READ!!!!
You are now TWISTING the conversation to fit your NEEDS.
Stay on point son!!!!
This was not the point, go re-read what was said and how your responded….
Then come back and correct your IGNORANCE!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 pmRemember to put it on your gravestone too.
Comment by Flaco — June 22, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Look who got out of his gated yard again and is now crapping in ours…
Gotta run for now, will check back later…
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 pmNo deal Jason. Until you liberal Christians get the radicals under control, you are actually helping them turn our country into a theocracy – and as long as that is that case, I will not differentiate when I point out the violence, contradictions, and nonsense that is Christianity.
Comment by unbelievable — June 22, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Actually when a group of athiests get together and feed some hungry children, clothe and shelter homeless people, or do anything besides propose taxation of the rich or an end to Christianity then you’ll have room for your assertions. I can do nothing to get extremisits under control just as you can do nothing to get extremist muslims under control.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:29 pmNone of which has anything to do with the topic of this thread.
Have there been any of your fellow leftists on this thread rushing to defend your ridiculous assertions?
When I see a ‘ridiculous assertion’ made by UNB, I’ll be the first to defend it….. no, wait a minute….
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:30 pmI see you’re again admitting you have nothing, just a bunch of insults to hide behind. I figured as much. Get back to me when you have something of substance, otherwise, I’m bored with your lack of intelligence…
It seems that you’re gasping for air. You sound like a broken record while your assuming and projecting. You call yourself the winner though you’ve provided nothing substantiation. It doesn’t work that way.
“Again, Daddy bought them the best, just like his daddy bought him. None of them have earned anything. Thanks for helping to make my point…”
That’s not your business. You can’t put that on two innocent people simply because of your own failures. You can keep your views to yourself, I’m not helping you make any point. If parents are successful and seek to provide well for their family, it’s not for you to reprimand. They’ve earned their degrees, etc., so you have no right to judge those children.
“Actually, squegeeboo made short work of your outdated contention. ”
Actually he did, and he did it quickly. It’s widely known that he who pulled the first trigger was JFK. Can democrats do no wrong in your pathetic mind?
“They see that I’m handling you just fine on my own, but actually to answer your question – yes they have. It’s why you call us communists – because we work as teams rather than selfish individuals.”
Look, you’re a small group. You can try to work in teams to punish other’s hard work, but you’ll eventually get set aside. You have to PROVE that you’re “handling me.” Quick assumptions don’t count.
“How many history books have you published?”
No relevant question, of course. I liked my history text, “The American Pageant” (written in a progressive theme) just fine. Even they state clearly what you seek to re-write.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:32 pmBTW unbelievable… In your rant against Christians, you left out Hypocrites… That is usually your favorite name for us. ;-)
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:32 pmActually when a group of athiests get together and feed some hungry children, clothe and shelter homeless people, or do anything besides propose taxation of the rich or an end to Christianity then you’ll have room for your assertions.
Comment by coachjason
Errr… I guess it was us atheists that fight against Child Labour and Christians that wanted them to keep working.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:34 pmunbelievable has NPD
sorry to break the news here at TP
Keep her in your prayers.
(NPD), Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by extreme focus on oneself, and is a maladaptive, rigid, and persistent condition that may cause significant distress and functional impairment.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 pm“Translation: RamboTroll hates people who don’t hate themselves.”
Comment by unbelievable
Sorry, radical lefty, I don’t take assertions from people who protest for a living.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 pmErrr… I guess it was us atheists that fight against Child Labour and Christians that wanted them to keep working.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Another assertion Juan??? Maybe A christian wants to keep them working, but you speak in generalities while trying to avoid being generalized. Athiests speak of tolerance towards everything except Christianity. So fight the good fight bro! Keep bragging about what you haven’t done!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:39 pmWe call her “hit and run” here at TP
No deal Jason. Until you liberal Christians get the radicals under control, you are actually helping them turn our country into a theocracy – and as long as that is that case, I will not differentiate when I point out the violence, contradictions, and nonsense that is Christianity.
Comment by unbelievable
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Sounds so open minded. Can’t you feel the love from this individual.
unbelievable is a good person really.
When I think of good I think of unbelievable. She can save you too.
Just ask.
Too much indoctrination (higher learning) you become like this.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhen it comes to the kids, we should help them. They don’t have control over their lives until they are older, if we can’t protect them then what kind of a country are we?
So we stay out of other countries business except where it has to do with their kids? I may be reading it wrong?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmErrr… I guess it was us atheists that fight against Child Labour and Christians that wanted them to keep working.
Comment by Juan C
Keep up the noble cause Juan.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmDo not listen to those bad old Christians.
Too much indoctrination (higher learning) you become like this.
Comment by Flaco — June 22, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Unbelievable and I have had our go-rounds several times. Religion is completely off-topic here but (s)he just can’t leave well enough alone. (S)he wants everyone to get along and do the right thing… except Christians, we’re not as edjumakated as he/she is, therefore we’re the enemy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:48 pmUnbelievable.
No offense, but your constant anti-religion bashing on every single thread could be miscontrued as a cry for help.
Seriously, you’d be annoyed if a Jehova’s Witness came on here and preached on every single thread
You’re almost an anti-Jehova’s witness. Or can we call you a ATHIEST WITNESS?
give it a rest, sister. Not everyone wants to hear your Bible trashing day in and day out.
Now, go feed your cats!
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:51 pm…when a group of athiests get together and feed some hungry children, clothe and shelter homeless people…
Comment by coachjason
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Where is this happening? How come TP is not covering this story?
Did the Christians just give up feeding the hungry etc.?
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:52 pmComment by Venusly Valiante — June 22, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
OOOOhhhh your in trouble now!!!!!
I said that once…. Once
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 pm“So we stay out of other countries business except where it has to do with their kids? I may be reading it wrong?
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 12:44 pm”
No….
We provide assistance but ONLY for the children. We assist the CHILDREN anyway we can.
I guess by your “christian” values that the children are not sacred??
I’m not a religious person now, having grown up and seeing that the bible is written by man, but it does state in there that the children are special to god.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 pmComment by RemoveBush — June 22, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
No I am not religous at all. I couldn’t care less what is written in that book. While I respect someone else’s choice to believe in it, I personally do not.
The problem I see with providing assistance but only to children is that we are still giving them money and “expecting” them to use the assistance that way.
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:56 pmWhere is this happening? How come TP is not covering this story?
Did the Christians just give up feeding the hungry etc.?
Comment by Flaco — June 22, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Believe me, if it were to happen, TP would be all over it. And Christians will never give up on the poor, at least not ones that obey God.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:00 pm“Too much indoctrination (higher learning) you become like this.
Comment by Flaco — June 22, 2007 @ 12:44 pm”
It’s obvious from your postings that you’ve never had to worry about ‘indoctrination’ Flaco. Perhaps you should change your moniker to ‘tonto’ eh?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmSo fight the good fight bro! Keep bragging about what you haven’t done!
Comment by coachjason
take a dive on this. It is a fact, not an assertion.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmunbelievable is a Christopher Hitchens wannabe
She loves skewering any and all Christians
unbelievable your name says it all!
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmAnd Christians will never give up on the poor, at least not ones that obey God.
Comment by coachjason
So, the ones that dont obey God can simply starve? I am asking cuz I dont understand the rules.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:03 pm“No I am not religous at all. I couldn’t care less what is written in that book. While I respect someone else’s choice to believe in it, I personally do not.”
By your comments I took it to be that you were….. Not that it is a bad thing, as you I just don’t follow any faith.
“The problem I see with providing assistance but only to children is that we are still giving them money and “expecting†them to use the assistance that way.
Comment by Tundra — June 22, 2007 @ 12:56 pm”
Your making it out to be much more complicated than it needs to be…..
We provide assistance, but we also have quality checks to ensure the country is in fact using the assistance (whatever it may be) as initially setup for the children.
If they breach that trust, then we apply HEAVY sanctions on them and cut back on assistance… Sure it will take time, but it’s better than doing nothing.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:03 pmPerhaps you should change your moniker to ‘tonto’ eh?
Comment by Quadrajet
What do you expect from a person that doesnt “believe” in Evolution. He says the transitions are not proved. Hehehe, priceless. He thinks Evan Almighty is a true story.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:05 pmSo, the ones that dont obey God can simply starve? I am asking cuz I dont understand the rules.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Juan C… my friend you misunderstood me, I was talking about the Christians who obey God. We’ll feed the hungry no matter what religion (or lack thereof) they are. Sorry for the confusion.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:05 pmWhat do you expect from a person that doesnt “believe†in Evolution. He says the transitions are not proved. Hehehe, priceless. He thinks Evan Almighty is a true story.
Comment by Juan C
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Juan C lover of the children
Monkey to man you are.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:09 pmHe says the transitions are not proved. Hehehe, priceless. He thinks Evan Almighty is a true story.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Pobrecito Flaco, una boca grande pero no tiene nada en su cabeza
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:10 pmKeep drinking the water there Juan.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:10 pmWhat do you expect from a person that doesnt “believe†in Evolution. He says the transitions are not proved. Hehehe, priceless. He thinks Evan Almighty is a true story.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Who says Christians don’t believe in evolution, you went from hero to zero in one thread on this site in a matter of minutes.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:12 pmI just can’t decide which monkeys I like better, the ones in the Zoo or the ones in Congress.
Pobrecito Flaco, una boca grande pero no tiene nada en su cabeza
Comment by Quadrajet
My guess is that Flaco doesnt understand spanish. Just got some words and put them together.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:12 pmWho says Christians don’t believe in evolution,
Comment by coachjason
Well, some dont. Read #337.
you went from hero to zero in one thread on this site in a matter of minutes.
I have this gift. :)
I just can’t decide which monkeys I like better, the ones in the Zoo or the ones in Congress.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 pmComment by coachjason
I will go with the zoo´s all the way. And it is not a joke.
Interesting Juan, having read some of his work I’d assumed the same thing about his english.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:15 pmI will go with the zoo´s all the way. And it is not a joke.
Comment by Juan C — June 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
At least they (the zoo monkeys) make sense from time to time. And they’re usually better looking. I mean I’d kiss a zoo monkey before I’d kiss Hillary… ;-)
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:16 pmCoach, I see you’ve made an interesting assertion further up thread. So the only ones feeding the poor and housing the homeless are christian eh? No one with an athesist point of view has ever done these things?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:21 pmRE345: Not at all, I just know that if I were hungry, freezing, and/or homeless I’m sure I could stop by any church in America and get some assistance. Not sure where I’d go if I wanted an athiests help and if it’s even available.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:24 pmHugo Chavez is Juan C’s hero.
Go Chavez!!!!
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:26 pmNot sure where I’d go if I wanted an athiests help and if it’s even available.
heh, priceless.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:27 pmRE345: Not at all, I just know that if I were hungry, freezing, and/or homeless I’m sure I could stop by any church in America and get some assistance. Not sure where I’d go if I wanted an athiests help and if it’s even available.
Comment by coachjason
Good point cj.
athiests like to brag that they do not need a god to tell them to do good for others.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:28 pmRE346: Also please don’t misunderstand me, I mean not to attack athiesm in general. I just get defensive when someone attacks my religion or me for believing in God. I still cannot fathom why I’m attacked so viehemently for wanting to help my fellow man.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:30 pmCommunists/athiests have a pretty good track record for helping.
They are very helpful at destroying churches.
Sound like unbelievable, Juan, and a few others here at TP would love to carry on the tradition.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmI still cannot fathom why I’m attacked so viehemently for wanting to help my fellow man.
Comment by coachjason
The same here. I dont know what is so bad about wanting everything for everybody: Socialism.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:36 pmNot sure where I’d go if I wanted an athiests help and if it’s even available.
heh, priceless.
Comment by Tundra
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It is called the Federal Government.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:37 pmNo one with an athesist point of view has ever done these things?
Comment by Quadrajet
We know this guy feeds the poor everyday. He sends his money via paypal.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:40 pmThen sits back and pops a cold one knowing he is good.
Not sure where I’d go if I wanted an athiests help and if it’s even available.
Comment by coachjason
Maybe we should build non-churches so you may find us. :)
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:41 pmunbelievable
The facts do back me up. You just won’t accept it. Here’s a fact for you – name all the rich people serving in Iraq. Or, you can just name the children of the rich people who ‘represent us’.
Then why not provide a link with your facts. The one you gave had gender and race breakdown, nothing about income and/or poverty levels. Making it a useless link for this converstation.
Name all the rich people? Well why don’t you name all the poor people serving us? But heres 1 for you:
Pat Tillman was doing all right before he joined the military. (I know, Afghanistan, not Iraq, but the right time frame, and he was active combat duty) Additionally, all the generals and higher level officers make a decent bank, although I don’t know if that fits in your definition of ‘wealthy’ or just upper middle class.
I have. Not my fault if you cannot or will not comprehend.
No, no you haven’t. All you’ve ever stated is that you don’t think it’s fair that there is more poor people in the military than rich people, and that it some how invalidates the war and the military in general, using solely the Bush twins as an example.
I can’t get into any more detail about the flaws in your position, because thats as far as your willing to go. You have provided no facts, besides the racial and gender breakdown (once again, not any kind of income/poverty breakdown) and even that took multiple times of me asking to get.
Wow… You’re really the mdoel for proving facts, aren’t you. Silly…
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:41 pmWell I provided facts on who started the Vietnam war. But then you just called me biased and ignorant.
unbelievable’s middle name is Nero, after the one that use to light his place with burning Christians till it become clear it contributed to global warming.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:44 pm… except Christians, we’re not as edjumakated as he/she is, therefore we’re the enemy.
Comment by coachjason
unbelievable hijacked this TP thread does that make her/him a troll?
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:51 pmunbelievable’s middle name is Nero, after the one that use to light his place with burning Christians till it became clear it contributed to global warming.
June 22nd, 2007 at 1:52 pmOnce they are 18 they are no longer kids. They are adults who made a choice. Each and everyone of them deserves that respect, calling them uninformed kids who made poor choices is BS.
Comment by Tundra
And the reason American society doesn’t believe they are emotionally and intellectually developed enough to buy and consume alcohol? If they are so adult, why must they wait four years more to legally drink booze?
You can’t have it both ways. If they are adult enough to be making life-and-death decisions for others at 18, why does american society think them so immature as to deny them alcohol?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:01 pmI guess that should be three years more – sorry, I’m hung-over today, but I’d still like an answer. I’ll check back later…
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 pmbarfly
I guess that should be three years more – sorry, I’m hung-over today, but I’d still like an answer. I’ll check back later…
*GOLF CLAP* Awesome dude, screw up on an alcohol statement due to being hungover. I love it.
But it’s because of nanny state type people who were concerned by the increases in binge drinking (and the side effects of such drinking, death/Alcoholism/etc) in young drinkers in the late 70’s. So they got the feds to tie in highway funding to the states raising the legal drinking limit.
Large segments of our society have no real issues with it, but a vocal minority can force change on issues if they know what they’re doing.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmYou can’t have it both ways. If they are adult enough to be making life-and-death decisions for others at 18, why does american society think them so immature as to deny them alcohol?
Comment by barfly — June 22, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
You darn sure won’t have me arguing against that one. I am all for if you are in the service you should be allowed to drink. But I’ll try and give an answer as to why they can’t.
The Federal Government has used the words “Provide for the general welfare” in the constitution as an excuse. Same words that allow them to think they are allowed to make universal health care, same thing that allows them to think that seatbelts are mandatory, same words that let them think they are allowed to decide abortion. When in reality they have no right for any of it. States should be allowed to determine their own drinking ages with the federal government staying out of it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:11 pmActually when a group of athiests get together and feed some hungry children, clothe and shelter homeless people, or do anything besides propose taxation of the rich or an end to Christianity then you’ll have room for your assertions.
Actually we do those things – we just don’t do them to promote Atheism or for self-glorification. We don’t go the billboard route in announcing that we do work for Habitat for Humanity or a host of other volunteer organizations that better our community. We also join the military, pay taxes, and have a lower incarceration rate than all other religions.
So don’t try to claim that we aren’t part of the liberal volunteer organizations. And, actually, we don’t go around demanding conversion for food or assitance the way many Christian missionaries do.
I can do nothing to get extremisits under control just as you can do nothing to get extremist muslims under control.
I’m not a Muslim. But, actually you can control the extremists – stand up to them, call them on their bullshit, and kick them out of the club, or start your own version that excludes them. Many people have done just that in the past to disassociate themselves with extremism…
There’s plenty you can do.
None of which has anything to do with the topic of this thread.
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
It’s an open thread jason – deal with it.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmWhen I see a ‘ridiculous assertion’ made by UNB, I’ll be the first to defend it….. no, wait a minute….
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 22, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Thanks Terry, I can always count on your support when I make ridiculous assertions :D
Silly trolls. I wonder how rabid they will become when Bush’s approval dips to 20%?
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmA lot of incoherent and pointless babble and then you said :
They’ve earned their degrees, etc., so you have no right to judge those children.
How totally hypocritical to tell me I can’t judge them (which I wasn’t actually doing), while you are judging me. LOL.
Grow a brain cell – your one is lonely.
Actually he did, and he did it quickly. It’s widely known that he who pulled the first trigger was JFK. Can democrats do no wrong in your pathetic mind?
No he didn’t. He attacked a strawman quite well, but not my argument.
I’m not a Democrat. I’m. unlike you, and Independent. I just don’t see any Republicans worth defending these days… Sad. I used to be one. But you neocons have ruined what Lincoln used to represent.
Look, you’re a small group. You can try to work in teams to punish other’s hard work, but you’ll eventually get set aside. You have to PROVE that you’re “handling me.†Quick assumptions don’t count.
Now your pissy because I can thinking quickly? LOL that’s rich. Grow a third brain cell and you might developsome critical thinking skills and learn how yourself.
No relevant question, of course. I liked my history text, “The American Pageant†(written in a progressive theme) just fine. Even they state clearly what you seek to re-write.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Of course it’s relevent to ask how many history books you’ve had published when you say asinine things about your opinion being all that matters… Silly boy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmIn your rant against Christians, you left out Hypocrites… That is usually your favorite name for us. ;-)
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
I made one brief reference to Christianity today and you’re turning it into this?
It’s not about you personally Jason. Don’t take it that way. Because I assure you, I’m not going to stop until Atheism is given the same latitude in this country as all other religions… And I’m not alone.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:08 pm(NPD), Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by extreme focus on oneself, and is a maladaptive, rigid, and persistent condition that may cause significant distress and functional impairment.
Comment by Flaco — June 22, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
So now we all know what’s wrong with Flaco.
Sorry, radical lefty, I don’t take assertions from people who protest for a living.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Take assertions? Dude you’re bizarre.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:11 pmUnbelievable and I have had our go-rounds several times. Religion is completely off-topic here but (s)he just can’t leave well enough alone. (S)he wants everyone to get along and do the right thing… except Christians, we’re not as edjumakated as he/she is, therefore we’re the enemy.
Comment by coachjason — June 22, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
I can’t let it go? LOL. I made one remark today and this is about your 10th rant on the matter. Why so touchy? Why the need to surpress my right to freedom of speech? Sounds like I’ve hit a nerve…
Well, I promise you Jason, I will say as much as I like on the matter and if you don’t like it, then it is you who has to deal with it. Not my problem you can’t handle the criticism.
No offense, but your constant anti-religion bashing on every single thread could be miscontrued as a cry for help.
Not on every thread, so, so much for your little theory.
Seriously, you’d be annoyed if a Jehova’s Witness came on here and preached on every single thread
You’re almost an anti-Jehova’s witness. Or can we call you a ATHIEST WITNESS?
Not really. It’s you guys who can’t handle the fact that I point out the gaping holes in your ideology. Why is that? And instead of debating me on them, you make it personal and try to insult me. It just makes me all the more determined to talk about it…
give it a rest, sister. Not everyone wants to hear your Bible trashing day in and day out.Now, go feed your cats!
Comment by Venusly Valiante — June 22, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
No. Deal with it. Sheesh…
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:18 pmThen why not provide a link with your facts.
I did.
The one you gave had gender and race breakdown, nothing about income and/or poverty levels. Making it a useless link for this converstation.
How far did you look?
Pat Tillman was doing all right before he joined the military. (I know, Afghanistan, not Iraq, but the right time frame, and he was active combat duty) Additionally, all the generals and higher level officers make a decent bank, although I don’t know if that fits in your definition of ‘wealthy’ or just upper middle class.
My point – not many…
No, no you haven’t. All you’ve ever stated is that you don’t think it’s fair that there is more poor people in the military than rich people, and that it some how invalidates the war and the military in general, using solely the Bush twins as an example.
First of all, I’m allowed to believe that.
Secondly, I did make the argument on several levels.
Don’t forget Chelsea Clinton. Or any of the other politicians’ kids who supported the Iraqi occupation.
I can’t get into any more detail about the flaws in your position, because thats as far as your willing to go. You have provided no facts, besides the racial and gender breakdown (once again, not any kind of income/poverty breakdown) and even that took multiple times of me asking to get.
Stop exaggerating. This is ridiculous. You own Google – you can’t go find what you’re looking for yourself? If what I provide isn’t adequate to yor standards, sir, then by all means – go find it yourself. I’m not your personal rover.
Well I provided facts on who started the Vietnam war. But then you just called me biased and ignorant.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
No you didn’t – not by your standards.
This is silly and annoying. I made my case. You are free to reject it, I don’t care. Just stop building strawmen to impress your new trolls friends. They get all excited and start masturbating in public again.
June 22nd, 2007 at 3:31 pmI did.
No you didn’t. It only had race/gender and the such, no income or poverty levels which seem to be the basis of your argument.
How far did you look?
Thru several years and styles of pdfs provided off the link
First of all, I’m allowed to believe that.
Belief doesn’t make it correct. And for someone who thinks people should be allowed to believe, you sure seem to have a bone to pick with Christians.
Don’t forget Chelsea Clinton. Or any of the other politicians’ kids who supported the Iraqi occupation.
What about them? Some of the politicians have children serving. Bush even insulted one of them a few months ago by accident.
My point – not many…
The rich are a smaller % of the population, of course there is going to be less of them. What matters is the ratio compared to the general populace and other industries.
Stop exaggerating. This is ridiculous. You own Google – you can’t go find what you’re looking for yourself? If what I provide isn’t adequate to yor standards, sir, then by all means – go find it yourself. I’m not your personal rover.
I couldn’t find anything that backed you up if that’s what you meant. And what your provided was unrelated to the general thrust of the conversation.
No you didn’t – not by your standards.
Holy cow, you do understand and use logic, but apparently only when it helps you. Your right, my bad, here’s one of the links I used Now if you could just apply that logical thinking to your own posts, you’ll see the gaping holes in your arguments, and possibly even fill them in with supporting evidence.
This is silly and annoying.
Yes it is.
I made my case.
No, you used hyperbole and anecdotal evidence.
You are free to reject it, I don’t care.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:10 pmConsider it rejected
Just stop building strawmen to impress your new trolls friends.
As far as I recall, I have yet to build a strawman, I’ve only been tearing yours down.
What’s going on with TP? I have seen any updates since this morning?
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:33 pmIgnoranceIsNotBliss
What’s going on with TP? I have seen any updates since this morning?
If I understand it correctly (because it’s not happening to me) some people have been unable to see updates unless they post a comment, so who knows if you’ll even see this one. Although I’ve heard FireFox(me) and Safari users haven’t had this issue.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:37 pmunbelievable has NPD
sorry to break the news here at TP
Keep her in your prayers.
(NPD), Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by extreme focus on oneself, and is a maladaptive, rigid, and persistent condition that may cause significant distress and functional impairment.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:38 pmunbelievable’s middle name is Nero, after the one that use to light his palace with burning Christians till it became clear it contributed to global warming.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:42 pmunbelievable has NPD(Narcissistic personality disorder) & BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) with a poor prognosis.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pm#372 Thanks. I don’t have fireforx or safari. THe only updates that I saw when I posted my comment was in the comments box itself. I’m still seeing only the “Think Fast” spread. It’s been like that all day. Well, maybe I need to reboot or something. Time to go home anyway for the day. Thanks again for the info.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pmStates should be allowed to determine their own drinking ages with the federal government staying out of it.
Comment by Tundra —
And many states did just that, prior to being held hostage to federal highway funding. If you hadn’t noticed, some of those states had previously decided 21 was the proper drinking age – and yet they were ok with allowing the federal government to send these 18 year-old “adults” into battle, knowing that they couldn’t be trusted to operate a motor vehicle without succumbing to the lure of drunk driving in such numbers that they presented a hazzard to public safety. So which is it? An overbearing federal govenment, interfereing with states’ rights, and over-rulling local officials – or local political pressure to keep their streets safe from post-adolescent drunk drivers, which then coelesced into a federal standard? It can’t be both.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:57 pmComment by Flaco
And Flaco has delusions of adequacy.
June 22nd, 2007 at 4:58 pmbarfly
So which is it? An overbearing federal govenment, interfereing with states’ rights, and over-rulling local officials – or local political pressure to keep their streets safe from post-adolescent drunk drivers, which then coelesced into a federal standard? It can’t be both.
Sure it can, you get enough local pressure in a few states to change their system, then they go up to the federal level and figure out ways to turn the screws on all the other states.
How about pistol permits, a lot of states you have to be 21 to get one, but you can shoot a pistol in the military, or own a shotgun or assult rifle at a much younger age.
Theres all sorts of crazy laws that don’t make any real sense. NY state finally got rid of it’s ban on liquor sales on Sunday, and it’s ban on beer sales before noon on Sunday just this year. It’s amazing what the Puritans and/or nanny-staters can do when they get organized.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:00 pmWait, no, it was within a year from now, but not this calender year that they changed. My bad.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:02 pm“A lot of incoherent and pointless babble and then you said”
You consider it incoherent and “pointless” because you seem to be illiterate.
“How totally hypocritical to tell me I can’t judge them (which I wasn’t actually doing), while you are judging me. LOL.”
Thanks, keep playing with yourself.
“Grow a brain cell – your one is lonely.”
Again, not proving anything.
“I’m not a Democrat. I’m. unlike you, and Independent. I just don’t see any Republicans worth defending these days… Sad. I used to be one. But you neocons have ruined what Lincoln used to represent.”
Yes, O’Reilly calls himself an independent, and others with controversial speech label themselves “independent.” The “independent” declaration is tiresome from a number of clear far-right/left posters here. The itemized views are what count. I’m a stern Republican, but not a “neocon” as you regularly spout.
“Now your pissy because I can thinking quickly? LOL that’s rich. Grow a third brain cell and you might developsome critical thinking skills and learn how yourself.”
No, I’m not unsettled. I have nothing to worry about since you’ve proven not a thing here. I may as well talk to the ceiling for credible information.
I need to know what these “asinine” things were I supposedly said. The “publishing history books” question was irrelevant and odd, as well.
June 22nd, 2007 at 5:20 pm“Sure it can, you get enough local pressure in a few states to change their system, then they go up to the federal level and figure out ways to turn the screws on all the other states.”
But that’s hardly an example of a top-down bureaucracy, interfering in states’ rights. It’s more an example of democracy in action, since it would take a majority of states who agreed that regulating the age to 21 was what they wanted, to push for legislative, and ultimately administrative change. If a majority had opposed it, we both know it would never have been enacted..
June 22nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmIt’s more an example of democracy in action
which would be fine if we lived in a democracy not a republic
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:32 pmNo you didn’t. It only had race/gender and the such, no income or poverty levels which seem to be the basis of your argument.
Funny that they don’t make that information easy to find, huh? Why do you think that is? Hmmm?
Thru several years and styles of pdfs provided off the link
Sure…
And for someone who thinks people should be allowed to believe, you sure seem to have a bone to pick with Christians.
They have a right to believe. They don’t have a right to force their beliefs on others, this country, or suppress others form speaking out against the dangers in what theybelief when forced on others or our country. Big difference. Not surprising anymore that you can’t see the difference. Typical conservative absolutism…
Don’t forget Chelsea Clinton. Or any of the other politicians’ kids who supported the Iraqi occupation.
I didn’t. This was addressed a long time ago and couple time ssince. Grow an attention span… Sheesh.
What about them? Some of the politicians have children serving. Bush even insulted one of them a few months ago by accident.
What about them? No one was criticizing them…
The rich are a smaller % of the population, of course there is going to be less of them. What matters is the ratio compared to the general populace and other industries.
Yes, ratios IS the point… Catch up.
I couldn’t find anything that backed you up if that’s what you meant. And what your provided was unrelated to the general thrust of the conversation.
Then you’re not as bright as I’d given you credit for being….
The reason you can’t readily find it is because: “The Department of Defense (DOD) does not track family income data for recruits, and there are no individual income data for enlistees. Military service is the first full-time job for most of them.”
http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=3412
“As the United States engages in its first major land war in a decade, the soldiers, sailors, pilots and others who are risking, and now giving, their lives in Iraq represent a slice of a broad swath of American society but by no means all of it.
Of the 28 servicemen killed who have been identified so far, 20 were white, 5 black, 3 Hispanic; proportions that neatly mirror those of the military as a whole. But just one was from a well-to-do family, and with the exception of a Naval Academy alumnus, just one had graduated from an elite college or university.
A survey of the American military’s endlessly compiled and analyzed demographics paints a picture of a fighting force that is anything but a cross section of America. With minorities overrepresented and the wealthy and the underclass essentially absent, with political conservatism ascendant in the officer corps and Northeasterners fading from the ranks, America’s 1.4 million-strong military seems to resemble the makeup of a two-year commuter or trade school outside Birmingham or Biloxi far more than that of a ghetto or barrio or four-year university in Boston.”
Happy now that I did your homework for you? Jesus Christ – you cons are annoying.
Holy cow, you do understand and use logic, but apparently only when it helps you. Your right, my bad, here’s one of the links I used Now if you could just apply that logical thinking to your own posts, you’ll see the gaping holes in your arguments, and possibly even fill them in with supporting evidence.
You’re being ridiculous. You said you couldn’t get the information, but now you’ve jumped to conclusions? Sheesh…
“It’s just not fair that the people that we ask to fight our wars are people who join the military because of economic conditions, because they have fewer options,” said Representative Charles B. Rangel, a Democrat from Manhattan and a Korean War veteran who is calling for restoring the draft.
Some scholars have noted that since the draft was abolished in 1973, the country has begun developing what could be called a warrior class or caste, often perpetuating itself from father or uncle to son or niece, whose political and cultural attitudes do not reflect the diversity found in civilian society potentially foreshadowing a social schism between those who fight and those who ask them to.”
No, you used hyperbole and anecdotal evidence.
No, I used critical thinking skills. You cons need everything handed to you on a silver platter. No wonder you are collectively so ignorant. Read on your own, go beyond the first two links Google presents you, and start connecting the dots.
Consider it rejected
I already did. It required effort.
As far as I recall, I have yet to build a strawman, I’ve only been tearing yours down.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 22, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
You’ve built several. I even pointed them out.
I don’t build strawmen. I don’t have to. Reality has a liberal bias after all…
https://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=401227
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:17 amYou consider it incoherent and “pointless†because you seem to be illiterate.
Yes, that’s why I can read what you have written. Do you not understand what illiterate actually means?
Thanks, keep playing with yourself.
Because you’re not competent? Yeah, I noticed.
Again, not proving anything.
No, you proved that you are mentally deficient all on yor own… LOL
Yes, O’Reilly calls himself an independent, and others with controversial speech label themselves “independent.â€
Except that O’Reilly is a registered Republicans and when I lived in California, I registered as an Independent years ago, before it was the trendy thing to do. In Georgia, I don’t have to claim a party.
The “independent†declaration is tiresome from a number of clear far-right/left posters here. The itemized views are what count.
To you that’s all that counts. To me, the fact that I vote across party lines is what counts. That’s the definition of Independent silly.
I’m a stern Republican, but not a “neocon†as you regularly spout.
The only people left defending the Bushites are neocons.
No, I’m not unsettled. I have nothing to worry about since you’ve proven not a thing here. I may as well talk to the ceiling for credible information.
LOL. You said you were going to post proof of your assertions, and hours later – NOTHING> You must be talking about yourself here, because I don’t post without having first done my homework to know that my opinions are based on facts. Try it.
I need to know what these “asinine†things were I supposedly said.
If you cannot discern from the nonsense you’ve posted in this thread, then I cannot help you. But you can help yourself by becoming informed from non-biased sources.
The “publishing history books†question was irrelevant and odd, as well.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 22, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Only if you’re stupid. Are you saying that you are stupid RT? Well, admitting a problem is the first step in solving it… Good luck with that.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:25 amAnd Flaco has delusions of adequacy.
Comment by barfly — June 22, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
That might just be an over-exaggeration of his delusions. :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:27 am