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Bush claims he’s not part of the executive branch.»

Vice President Cheney has exempted his office from a presidential executive order designed to safeguard classified national security information by claiming that the Office of the Vice President is not an “entity within the executive branch.” Today the LA Times reveals that the President has also exempted himself:

The White House said Friday that, like Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, President Bush’s office is not allowing an independent federal watchdog to oversee its handling of classified national security information.

An executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 — amending an existing order — requires all government agencies that are part of the executive branch to submit to oversight. Although it doesn’t specifically say so, Bush’s order was not meant to apply to the vice president’s office or the president’s office, a White House spokesman said.




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352 Responses to “Bush claims he’s not part of the executive branch.”

  1. konflikt Says:

    W T F ?


  2. gummitch Says:

    Well, then, dum basses, if it doesn’t specifically say so it APPLIES!


  3. olie Says:

    it’s a matter of whether Waxman catches Cheney before the ‘09 or not


  4. Candyce Says:

    You know, this is so elementary it’s hard to believe even this administration is trying to get away with it.


  5. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    #1, konflikt, you had the same reaction as I did. I’m hoping that anyone with half a brain has the exact same reaction.

    Time to impeach!


  6. freedomrings Says:

    ahahahahhaha hahahahahhAHAHHA


  7. david Says:

    So, does this mean Executive Privilege does NOT apply to the Vice President and perhaps even the President? I’m all for that.

    If you’re not in the Executive, you’re against the Executive.


  8. n69n Says:

    “We don’t dispute that the ISOO has a different opinion. But let’s be very clear: This executive order was issued by the president, and he knows what his intentions were,” Fratto said. “He is in compliance with his executive order.”

    but NOT CLEAR ENOUGH TO WRITE IT IN THE ORIGINAL ORDER?!?!?!

    this is the craziest thing ive heard yet.


  9. jim in austin Says:

    Thanks for the Saturday morning laugh.

    With this bunch that’s just about all you can do these days.

    IMPEACH!


  10. katie Says:

    Write Nancy Pelosi and tell her what you think. Do it today and do it often. It is part of my morning ritual.

    http://speaker.gov/contact/


  11. owlbear1 Says:

    For 222 years we got LUCKY!

    For 222 years we were working under a massive Delusion.

    For 222 years we deluded ourselves there laws that run this country and governed the activities of our Government.

    George Bush has demonstrated time and again those “laws” are little more than a “Gentlemens’ Agreement.”

    An “Executive Order” exempting themselves from ‘obeying the law’?

    Who exactly is supposed to ‘arrest’ George?

    Republicans have clearly shown they aren’t the “Gentlemen” to do it.


  12. celtic cynic Says:

    Holy crapinahat, Batman, it’s dipsydoodle time again. Mayhap Cheney and Bush are receiving messages from god.
    Let’s see if ABC, CBS or NBC report this latest outrage in the evening news tonight or anytime over the weekend.


  13. E_I Says:

    WTF!!!

    I’m convinced now that Bush will declare himself dictator soon. All that we need is another terrorist attack and we’re ****ed.


  14. VietVet Says:

    Well, Well Rep. Waxman and Rep Conyers….Do you suppose you could get going on Articles Of Impeachment forthwith? huh….Just maybe these criminals are hiding something….ya think?….maybe something to do with 9/11 or the stealing of elections or OUR Treasury?… TIME TO IMPEACH NOW…THESE CROOKS BELONG IN JAIL….REMEMBER …. RULE OF LAW!!!


  15. owlbear1 Says:

    Perhaps its time to stop acting like “Gentlemen”?


  16. katie Says:

    Write Nancy Pelosi and let her know what you think. Do it today and do it often. I do it every morning.

    http://speaker.gov/contact/


  17. katie Says:

    “I’m convinced now that Bush will declare himself dictator soon. All that we need is another terrorist attack and we’re ****ed.”

    I do believe that you are right. But, he won’t call himself Dictator, he will call himself the Dictator Guy.


  18. War4Sale Says:

    The Decider, The Big Dick and their accessories are a rogue nation unto themselves operating outside of our constitution and above U.S. and international law.

    It’s no use pretending we are a constitutional republic any longer. We are now living in a state of outright fascism and the only way to take our country back is to force congress to impeach them both.

    http://www.impeachbush.org


  19. curmudgeon Says:

    Looks to me like the United States now has its very own self-appointed Fuhrer and vice-Fuhrer. And what is there to stop them from doing this? The sock-puppets in the Supreme Court, or Congress, most of whom have been bought off, threatened, or both?


  20. He's Not Says:

    He’s correct, he’s not part of the executive branch, he’s part of the Nazi
    party.


  21. Godfry Daniel Says:

    It’s good to be king.


  22. Krazny Says:

    I realize this is issue is a little complicated, but nothing will turn the American people against Bush, and Cheney faster then saying they are above the law.

    And so far I haven’t found a single constitutional scholar who sides with them on this issue. They may have finally stepped so far outside the law, that impeachment will be demanded. I just wonder if they can do it before 2009?


  23. foolme1ns Says:

    Now in my uneducated opinion, THIS would qualify as a Constitutional Crisis!!!! Apparently we no longer have an Executive Branch as proscribed by the Constitution.

    If the Congress refuses to do it duty by impeaching the criminals who are tearing apart our government, can we as a people sue to MAKE them do their duty????? What remedy do the people have????

    Is there anybody out there who remembers what our country used to be???


  24. LandSurveyor Says:

    wtf?
    Impeach, indict-


  25. Godfry Daniel Says:

    The question is, who will be the piss-boy? It can’t be Pelosi.


  26. shane Says:

    The American people would be outraged, IF the msm ever told them what was going on any more. Will this even get mentioned, probably not.


  27. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    “…as proscribed by the Constitution.” Comment by foolme1ns — June 23, 2007 @ 11:45 am

    foolme1ns, don’t make the same mistake that Valiant Venus did - it’s “prescribed.” :-)

    .


  28. Just Me Says:

    As was raised by Krazny, constitutional scholars have not come forward to defend this and I look forward to their arguments if and when they do. Of more immediate interest, no trolls have yet put in their two-cents on this thread (which, of course, is too much to pay for their opinion). But, all jokes and put-downs aside, the standard for intellectual rigor is substantially lower for trolls and yet there is nothing being said.


  29. PeterE Says:

    If the executive order doesn’t apply to the president’s and the VP’s offices, Bush must believe that everyone (dozens? hundreds?) in those offices safeguards classified national security information properly– that they are more trustworthy than people in the FBI, Pentagon, etc. I wonder what Bush’s evidence is for his belief.


  30. Candyce Says:

    I’ve been all over Pajamas Media and conservative sites to see the outrage. Total silence on this issue.


  31. Gerald Gibson Says:

    In a country of the people, by the people, for the people this is called dictatorship. No man is exempt from “trust but verify” or else there is no reason for anyone to follow the law at all. If the people that are temporarily allowed to work in the positions of the president and vice president can get away with this then what protection does Americas system have from a human being or two that have gone mad with all that power in their hands? How is this any different in substance from a King?


  32. Krazny Says:

    Very valid point peter, this is an attempt to set the executive office above the other branches of government, and exempt it from any oversight at all. I wonder how the right wing would have reacted if Bill Clinton had tried a similar tactic? They would have demanded lynch mobs in the street.


  33. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    Candyce, notice there are no trolls so far on this or the Olbermann thread? Hmmm…


  34. Emerald Says:

    Impeach, indict and imprison these traitors. They pick and choose which laws to follow, which means the government of, by and for the people is obsolete in the USA.

    I was originally against this Congress impeaching Bush, because so very many screwups demand their attention, and Congress will become bogged down in the process. In addition, I surely didn’t want Cheney taking over the presidency. But with each succeeding day, the high crimes, misdemeanors, and flat-out incompetence of this misadministration is exposed, and now, there is only one way to restore the respect and integrity of the Executive Branch. Impeach Bush/Cheney NOW!


  35. Fan_of_Man Says:

    Article One: Legislative power

    Main article: Article One of the United States Constitution

    Article One establishes the legislative branch of government, U.S. Congress, which includes the House of Representatives and the Senate. The legislative branch makes the laws. The Article establishes the manner of election and qualifications of members of each House. In addition, it provides for free debate in congress and limits self-serving behavior of congressmen, outlines legislative procedure and indicates the powers of the legislative branch. There is a debate as to whether the powers listed in Article 1 Section 8 are a list of enumerated powers. These powers may also be interpreted as a list of powers formerly either executive or judicial in nature, that have been explicitly granted to the U.S. Congress. This interpretation may be further supported by a broad definition of both the commerce clause, and the necessary and proper clause of the Constitution. The argument for enumerated powers can be traced back to 1819 McCulloch v. Maryland United States Supreme Court ruling. Finally, it establishes limits on federal and state legislative power.

    [edit] Article Two: Executive power

    Main article: Article Two of the United States Constitution

    Article Two describes the presidency (the executive branch): procedures for the selection of the president, qualifications for office, the oath to be affirmed and the powers and duties of the office. It also provides for the office of Vice President of the United States, and specifies that the Vice President succeeds to the presidency if the President is incapacitated, dies, or resigns, although whether this succession was on an acting or permanent basis was left unclear. In practice, this has always been treated as succession, and the 25th Amendment provides explicitly for succession. Article Two also provides for the impeachment and removal from office of civil officers (the President, Vice President, judges, and others).

    [edit] Article Three: Judicial power

    Main article: Article Three of the United States Constitution

    Article Three describes the court system (the judicial branch), including the Supreme Court. The article requires that there be one court called the Supreme Court; Congress, at its discretion, can create lower courts, whose judgments and orders are reviewable by the Supreme Court. Article Three also requires trial by jury in all criminal cases, defines the crime of treason, and charges Congress with providing for a punishment for it.

    [edit] Article Four: States’ powers and limits

    Main article: Article Four of the United States Constitution

    Article Four describes the relationship between the states and the Federal government, and amongst the states. For instance, it requires states to give “full faith and credit” to the public acts, records and court proceedings of the other states. Congress is permitted to regulate the manner in which proof of such acts, records or proceedings may be admitted. The “privileges and immunities” clause prohibits state governments from discriminating against citizens of other states in favor of resident citizens (e.g., having tougher penalties for residents of Ohio convicted of crimes within Michigan). It also establishes extradition between the states, as well as laying down a legal basis for freedom of movement and travel amongst the states. Today, this provision is sometimes taken for granted, especially by citizens who live near state borders; but in the days of the Articles of Confederation, crossing state lines was often a much more arduous (and costly) process. Article Four also provides for the creation and admission of new states. The Territorial Clause gives Congress the power to make rules for disposing of Federal property and governing non-state territories of the United States. Finally, the fourth section of Article Four requires the United States to guarantee to each state a republican form of government, and to protect the states from invasion and violence.


  36. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    “Impeach Bush/Cheney NOW!”
    Comment by Emerald — June 23, 2007 @ 11:55 am

    Don’t forget Gonzales!


  37. MsJoanne Says:

    The president has already said that the constitution is nothing but a gotdammed piece of paper and this shows his contempt for our rule of law.

    Nancy Pelosi’s email address is: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov

    Locate your congressperson/senator at: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

    WRITE THEM! DEMAND WE RETURN TO OUR RULE OF LAW!

    If people don’t start to do something immediately, our country will reach the point of no return. Bush already has an executive order in place to call martial law at any time for any emercency he so chooses. Congress will become powerless. Who is going to do something then? They already ignore Congress…Congress won’t be able to stop them.

    People talk about the election in 2008 and a transition in 2009. If martial law is called, do you think elections will take place? If they do take place yet the emergency takes place in the days or months before Jan/09, will that transition happen? WHO WILL ENSURE THAT OUR RULES OF LAW ARE FOLLOWED??

    These people are power hungry criminals. They are war criminals against other countries and they are criminals of our own rule of law.

    WRITE! WRITE! WRITE!


  38. Krazny Says:

    Jane,

    it would have to be the whole crew, from Bush down. A clean sweep to remove the trash, and establish a law abiding government.


  39. gah Says:

    “What will we tell the children?”


  40. MsJoanne Says:

    Krazny, let’s not forget the appointees to the SCOTUS. When Bush was originally elected that was (and continues) to be my biggest fear. I do think we will eventually rid ourselves of this administration, but the supreme court is the gift that will keep giving and giving (or in our case, taking and taking - our rights, that is).


  41. Martin O'Brien Says:

    Well, Bush may be right in this case.

    He has said repeatedly that he is the head of the ADMINISTRATIVE branch, and not the Executive branch!


  42. foolme1ns Says:

    I consider this to be a Constitutional Crisis. When the executives declare themselves to be outside or OUR government and the rules and laws of that government, then there can be only one remedy. They must be removed from office immediately before they can further damage OUR government.

    It is passed time to impeach and indict these traitorous criminals.

    It is passed time that we demand that our congress does its duty!!!!


  43. MAF54 Says:

    To be honest, I’m baffled by this statement too.


  44. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    it would have to be the whole crew, from Bush down. A clean sweep to remove the trash, and establish a law abiding government.

    Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2007 @ 11:57 am

    Fine by me! All of his political appointments now heading (ruining) the EPA, FDA, etc., etc., must go!


  45. Borkler Says:

    Why does the Executive hate the Executive so much?


  46. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    To be honest, I’m baffled by this statement too.

    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 12:07 pm

    Wow, if you’re really MAF54, thank you for your honesty.


  47. MAF54 Says:

    I am the real MAF54 and, as I said, I can see only a lose-lose situation developing with this line of argumentation. You may play fast and loose with stuff like habeas, which is not really that well an established concept in our system, but this is a political suicide.


  48. Krazny Says:

    Perhaps congress should look over the SCOTUS nominees as well. If Bush is removed, perhaps a case can be made to remove Alito, and Roberts


  49. kevkev Says:

    Know Thy Enemy: The Patriot Act
    Ultimately, the Patriot Act gives unchecked power to the Executive Branch of the government. That’s unconstitutional. The constitution sets up the government so that it’s run with check and balances of power-the legislative and judicial branches should have equal power to that of the executive. Under the Patriot Act, that doesn’t happen.

    God Bless The Enabling Act!
    Er, I Mean……
    God Bless The Patriot Act!


  50. DM Says:

    It’s not the law, it’s Calvinball!


  51. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    MAF54, it’s nice to know that we can agree on one thing, anyway. You are right in that it is political suicide, but that will only happen if other news outlets actually report on this, and the rest of the country actually realizes what Bush and Cheney are stating.


  52. j swift Says:

    It is true. It is true. They are not part of the Executive Branch but by his own decree King George has given himself Royal Prerogative.

    Let us just stop ignoring the elephant in the room. It is wearing purple and thinks it is King by divine right.

    Let us also hope that he give up his throne peaceably when the time comes.

    The Dems should have a friggin catalog of these instances available at a moment’s notice on the campaign trail, waving them in the air like dirty underwear at every opportunity.


  53. MsJoanne Says:

    MAF54, Habeus Corpus is the thing in the constitution that makes the othe rights enforcable. Without it, the constitution becomes a gotdammed piece of paper. Without it, there’s no remedy for ensuring you have any rights should you be carried off in the middle of the night by someone in the government. With no Habeus Corpus, you could disappear and never be heard from again.


  54. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    “…waving them in the air like dirty underwear at every opportunity.”
    Comment by j swift — June 23, 2007 @ 12:18 pm

    Good comparison, but also first “ewww” moment of the day! :D


  55. DitchMitchKY in 2008 Says:

    This teacher says it’s homework time for George and Dick.

    1. Take out your copy of the US Constitution and read Article II, about the Executive Branch. Don’t worry, it’s not too long.

    2. See all references to the phrase “Vice-President.

    3. In your own words, describe and explain the “Vice-President” as part of the Executive Branch. Turn in your test at the beginning of class on Monday morning.


  56. ScrewBush Says:

    ** Tee-Shirt Idea **

    You know how wingers have shirts, bumper stickers, and stuff with John 99:01 or whatever; how about:

    US Constitution:
    Article II Section IV

    These guys are so crazy. Now they’re just rubbing everyone’s face in their insanity because congress lets them. Not only am I pissed at Dems for not immediately impeaching these clowns, but i’m even more pissed at GOPers who continue to support a WH that is clearly anti-American. Talk about hating your country, it’s just disgusting.


  57. MAF54 Says:

    Habeus Corpus is the thing in the constitution that makes the othe rights enforcable.

    Habeas has been suspended before. The idea of three branches of the government has never been challenged. That was my point.


  58. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    Time to impeach!

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 11:18 am

    Impeachment will remain off the table until a Democrat is elected President.

    Didn’t you get the memo?


  59. MsJoanne Says:

    The dems now have the perfect opportunity to impeach. Any republican votes against impeachment would be a vote against our constitution.

    Let’s watch the spinmasters spin that!

    Why do I have to follow laws yet they don’t? Where’s the outrage there?

    And someone said it perfectly…if Clinton had tried this, he’d have been tarred and feathered and then drawn and quartered and then fed to the chickens.


  60. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    Didn’t you get the memo?
    Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 12:29 pm

    You mean the one that said, “Thanks for putting me in power, now go away”?


  61. cookie jill Says:

    Buh Bye Executive Privilege then.


  62. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    From the article:

    The archives administration has been pressing the vice president’s office to cooperate with oversight for the last several years, contending that by not doing so, Cheney and his staff have created a potential national security risk.

    Cheney’s office filed the reports in 2001 and 2002 but stopped in 2003.

    2003, the same year we invaded Iraq, and Valerie Plame’s status as a CIA covert agent was revealed, and the CIA Covert Operation for tracking WMD was “declassified.”

    And now we’re told that the President and Vice-President are exempted from oversight, and have been all along.

    And, he’s right, because Impeachment is off the table.


  63. Bruce Gorton Says:

    Seen as the executive branch is in fact, the presidency, does this mean Bush has resigned?


  64. Krazny Says:

    I wonder if we won’t go straight to arrests in the white house, just jump past the impeachment process, and send in the FBI.


  65. freedomrings Says:

    TIME FOR A NATIONAL STRIKE!!!!


  66. unbelievable Says:

    Dear Speaker Pelosi,

    With the recent proclamations by Vice President Cheney, and now President Bush, that they are not a part of the Executive Branch of our government, and are therefore above the Constutition they are circumventing, it is imperative for the Legislative Branch to take action. These acts by the Executive Branch are treacherous, and are the very platform upon which prior tyrants have come to power.

    I understand why Impeachement was previously off the table, but in light of these current proclaimations by the President and the Vice President, We the People see no viable alternative. Even if you don’t have the votes, and even if the opposition resorts to name calling, you must now consider the ramifications of not standing up to this obvious power grab that will destroy our 226 year old Democracy. You have the support of the American people. Please value it more than you value your position.

    Sincerely,


  67. Perry Logan Says:

    They weren’t elected. So they’re not part of the government.


  68. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    “What will we tell the children?”

    Comment by gah — June 23, 2007 @ 12:00 pm

    Tell them that Jesus Christ died for our sins, so we can do whatever we want and still get to heavan; that Bush is God’s Annointed on Earth and derives his power directly from God and that we are blessed to have Bush as our President; and that they should stop complaining and eat their genetically engineered corn flakes. Oh, and that they should stay inside and watch TV because the air outside is unhealthy.

    or simply tell them:


    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength


  69. unbelievable Says:

    Seen as the executive branch is in fact, the presidency, does this mean Bush has resigned?
    Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 23, 2007 @ 12:36 pm

    Let’s go with that…


  70. freedomrings Says:

    The responsibility to restore the Constitution now lay squarely on our shoulders. Clearly we are subjects of a Military Dictatorship that enforces the rules of the Plutocracy. The longer we wait the more difficult to restore the Constitution if indeed it is not already too late.
    GENERAL STRIKE GENERAL STRIKE GENERAL STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  71. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    Comment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007 @ 12:40 pm

    Great, Unb!


  72. Krazny Says:

    I just sent a letter to Jay Inslee, my local congressman that in light of these new revelations, it is necessary to remove Bush, and Cheney. I would suggest we all do the same through Congress.org


  73. Sharon Says:

    By their own lie’s they shall be known as traitors…Perhap’s we are looking at this in the wrong light…Maybe instead of impeachment our congress should go streight to eviction, arrest and seizing all asset’s..This administration cheney/bush say that the rules have changed once again..O.K. by their rules they are not intitled to reside in the white house, have security clearance and dictate war’s not declared by the congress..Instead of impeaching just arrest them for war crimes, treason, impersonating presidental power, violating the constitution, on and on..

    Well Madam Speaker what’s it gonna be, our way or their way.?.Just pick one damn it and throw their asses in jail…Blessings


  74. barfly Says:

    You may play fast and loose with stuff like habeas, which is not really that well an established concept in our system, but this is a political suicide.

    Comment by MAF54

    What, no “Clinton did it too?”


  75. Marie Says:

    Good! Then let’s throw the intruders out!


  76. freedomrings Says:

    I just sent a letter to Jay Inslee, my local congressman that in light of these new revelations, it is necessary to remove Bush, and Cheney. I would suggest we all do the same through Congress.org

    Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

    Writing letters helps improve our handwriting and typing skills and that is great. Doing so lets the Dictator know (through his minions) that you dissent and your name and your address. Rest assured that even if it appears that there are sides or points of view in this dictatorship the actual truth it that plutocrats (congress) are minions of the Dictator.

    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!


  77. Krazny Says:

    Who would arrest the president if it was necessary? The secret service? the FBI? Seriously who would have to go and do it?


  78. Publicus Says:

    Let’s help Bush and Cheney to NOT be a part of the executive branch: IMPEACH BOTH.


  79. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    “…by their rules they are not intitled to reside in the white house, have security clearance and dictate war’s not declared by the congress..Instead of impeaching just arrest them for war crimes, treason, impersonating presidental power, violating the constitution, on and on..”

    Comment by Sharon — June 23, 2007 @ 12:57 pm

    Can we arrest them for trespassing? :D


  80. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    Who would arrest the president if it was necessary? The secret service? the FBI? Seriously who would have to go and do it?

    Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2007 @ 1:06 pm

    From what Wayne tells me, it’s the Capitol police. Although I would love to go myself and make a citizen’s arrest!


  81. MAF54 Says:

    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
    Pathetic. This is for the Congerss to handle. What you’re advocating is fundamentally anti-democratic.


  82. freedomrings Says:

    Who would arrest the president if it was necessary? The secret service? the FBI? Seriously who would have to go and do it?

    Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2007 @ 1:06 pm

    I’m a citizen and I will do it as long as 1 million people join me (otherwise I would be out numbered)!


  83. dons Says:

    What a convenient post hoc interpretation.

    I mean I guess we need the other branches of government? Someone has to take the garbage out.


  84. Krazny Says:

    LOL it would be a bad idea for me to go, I would have to kick Bush in the balls a few times or work our my aggression.


  85. MAF54 Says:

    #81: Yes. You would do that. What is it with you people who think that mob action will solve anything?


  86. guns'n'bibles Says:

    People who consider themselves above the law are outlaws. They must be put into a jail where theybelong.


  87. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Geezus H. Christopher…

    When did we all go back to the playground?

    This is getting so bizarre it’s hard to even reply to it in words anymore..

    #%*&&@!!! *&^+#%!!! IMPEACH THE BAS#*ARDS, already!!!!


  88. freedomrings Says:

    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
    Pathetic. This is for the Congerss to handle. What you’re advocating is fundamentally anti-democratic.

    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

    Is it? LOL well great then and so doesn’t matter since we have a DICTATORSHIP NOW

    You go girl!

    By the way a GENERAL STRIKE is covered under the 1st Amendment as protest!


  89. Wretched Refuse Says:

    So then shooting him right between the eyes is NOT assinating the President?
    I confused


  90. barfly Says:

    “What you’re advocating is fundamentally anti-democratic.”

    Comment by MAF54 —

    Well, now that the corporate viewpoint has been aired …

    Where’s the “Clinton did it, too?”


  91. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Come to think of it, Bruschâ„¢ is right. He’s definitely not part of any identifiable, definable branch of the government that I can see.


  92. MAF54 Says:

    #87: General strike means that everyone agrees with it. I don’t. There are means that the House can use to rein in a run-away executive. No need for you plebs to get involved.


  93. Mudshark Says:

    “By the way a GENERAL STRIKE is covered under the 1st Amendment as protest!”

    Doesn’t mean it’ll ever happen. Have you forgotten that we live in a country with more bread and circuses per capita than any nation on earth?


  94. barfly Says:

    What is it with you people who think that mob action will solve anything?

    Comment by MAF54

    What is it with you corpro-trolls? Why must you characterize a strike as the actions of a “mob?”


  95. Wretched Refuse Says:

    #87: General strike means that everyone agrees with it. I don’t. There are means that the House can use to rein in a run-away executive. No need for you plebs to get involved.

    Comment by MAF54

    MAF you dipshit, why do you America so much.


  96. freedomrings Says:

    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

    Who is this MAF54? Why does this agent of disinformation and lies come among the citizens of this nation? It claims a GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE is anti-democratic.

    Do you want me to start quoting the Founding Fathers MAF54?


  97. marlow Says:

    And at what point will congressional republicans decide to save their country? When will they decide enough is enough and make impeachment possible? Compared to the sh*t they just pulled, refusing to honor the results of an election and step down are no big deal.


  98. NevadaBlue Says:

    You can’t really be surprised by this… He told us what he was gonna do…
    http://politicalhumor.about.com/ library/ blbushism-dictatorship.htm


  99. MAF54 Says:

    #93: What else would it be? Radical and often badly thought action by a group of people who just don’t see the big picture.

    #94: Why do I love America so much? I just do, man. I just do.


  100. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Just a tought, and a scary one at that…

    If the regular “rules” no longer apply to BruschCoâ„¢, does that include concepts like, I dunno, term limits and elections too?

    Is this the Idjit-In-Chief’s opening gambit to not leave the WH in ‘09?


  101. marlow Says:

    Yeah MAF54. And there was no need for us “plebs” in 1776 either.


  102. MAF54 Says:

    #95: It’s anti-democratic, because no-one asks me if I approve of a general strike or not. Where’s the mechanism that lets me have a say in it?


  103. Wretched Refuse Says:

    #87: General strike means that everyone agrees with it. I don’t. There are means that the House can use to rein in a run-away executive. No need for you plebs to get involved.

    Comment by MAF54

    MAF you dipshit, why do you HATE America so much?

    The word was hate, is hate, will always be hate, because that is what you koolaid mofukers do is HATE America. The democratically controlled America. You are more confortable with the Big father-type telling you who to suck and who to f*ck, and what to do. SO, good luck to you when the mobs come a calling on any and all of you neo-con scumbags who supported, yes your words here support King dumbshit. And we will have one question for you:
    Nylon or hemp?
    http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/hangmansnoose.html


  104. barfly Says:

    “There are means that the House can use to rein in a run-away executive. No need for you plebs to get involved.”

    Comment by MAF54

    And the 109th congress did so well at that, after how many years of being shown Bush’s true, anti-democratic nature, by his dictatorial acts?


  105. MAF54 Says:

    #95: “come among the citizens of this nation”. What’s wrong with you, dude. You sound like some tired old actor making a historical speech on a stage. “citizens of this nations” my ass.


  106. freedomrings Says:

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
    – Thomas Jefferson


  107. criticalthinker Says:

    The reason George Bush gets away with what he does is because Congress is not willing to use the power of the purse.

    Congress can cut off funds to the executive branch including the president’s pay check, if the scared “kitty cats” wanted to!


  108. freedomrings Says:

    #95: “come among the citizens of this nation”. What’s wrong with you, dude. You sound like some tired old actor making a historical speech on a stage. “citizens of this nations” my ass.

    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:20 pm

    You are an agent of tyranny! You will be crushed along with tyranny!


  109. krazeeinjun Says:

    Well imagine that! All that krap we were taught in history and civics classes was just a bunch of phooey. There is no executive branch - it doesn’t exist. Bush and Cheney have just said so.

    You got to admit the hubris and arrogance of these treasonous bastards is unparalleled. And pardon me for saying so, but you can’t get any Orwellian than Bush issuing an EXECUTIVE order then claiming it doesn’t apply to himself and Cheney because they are not the EXECUTIVE branch of government. Simply Fu%*ing Amazing.


  110. MAF54 Says:

    good luck to you when the mobs come a calling on any and all of you neo-con scumbags who supported…nylon or hemp?

    Ah yes. Many liberals will object to a death penalty you seem to be advocating, you know, but I’m sure you with all your political purity and rage will just silence them by force if necessary - like you’d do with those who oppose mindless mob action like a general strike and actually favor democratic means like a due process in Congress.

    I guess you’ll just silence your conscience by making yourself believe that you’re a good soldier for the revolution and that ends will justify the means.


  111. MAF54 Says:

    #108: You will be crushed along with tyranny! Mao, Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot would be proud of you, my friend.


  112. freedomrings Says:

    Here are the instructions to restore liberty…..

    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


  113. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    #95: It’s anti-democratic, because no-one asks me if I approve of a general strike or not. Where’s the mechanism that lets me have a say in it?

    Comment by MAF54

    You can strike, or you can choose to not strike. Who are you to tell everyone else waht to do?

    Quick, LOOK! There’s a new page lounging around the pool in an extremely tight pair of Speedos…


  114. j swift Says:

    “Habeas has been suspended before. The idea of three branches of the government has never been challenged. That was my point.”

    Yes, and that was during the Civil War which is one to the circumstances when it can done constitutionally. The other is invasion. We are under neither of those conditions and His Highness has no business f*cking with it.


  115. james k. sayre Says:

    A couple of days ago, Vice President Cheney declared, oddly, that his office was not part of the Executive branch of our federal United States of America government. Now a second three-year-old, our little Royal Bushie, has decided that he also wants to play that “No no, no” game: Bush has declared that his office is also not part of the Executive branch of our federal United States of America government, as far as any oversight by an independent federal oversight agency is concerned…

    Some Republican bigwig said a couple of days ago that “reality frightens the progressive blogosphere” or some such. I guess that Cheney and Bush are really scared by reality - even a thin sliver of slight oversight has them sh*tting proverbial bricks… Will the lying compliciit corporate baloney media bother reporting these musings by Cheney and Bush and the implications thereof?

    What are Cheney and Bush hiding? Can’t they just plead “insanity” during their upcoming treason trials?


  116. MAF54 Says:

    You can strike, or you can choose to not strike.

    Ah yes. And being physically attacked for being a scab is the price for not striking.


  117. krazeeinjun Says:

    #

    #108: You will be crushed along with tyranny! Mao, Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot would be proud of you, my friend.

    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:25 pm

    Blow it out your fascist ass you treasonous little twat. — as an earlier poster stated, when the revolution comes — you’ll have your choice of a hemp or nylon necktie — it’s the only courtesy your ilk will be afforded.


  118. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Ah yes. And being physically attacked for being a scab is the price for not striking.

    Comment by MAF54

    Sorry, not a coherent meaningful naswer, nor is it funny. There was nothing in what I said that hinted at attacking you for exercising your rights. If you have no real reply, then you have no real argument for what you say.

    Maybe it’s simply time to turn over a new page.


  119. freedomrings Says:

    #108: You will be crushed along with tyranny! Mao, Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot would be proud of you, my friend.

    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:25 pm

    When the government stops honoring the will of the people the people should revolt.

    The First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    General Strike is allowed in the 1st Amendment


  120. MAF54 Says:

    #116: My dear Zooey and the other lovely, although oh-so-misguided, liberals. Please take notice of posts #108 and #116. You really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?


  121. MAF54 Says:

    #117: No, but that’s what’s going to happen if I or many people I know go to work when the unions and other anti-democratic organizations have decided to declare a general strike.


  122. Mudshark Says:

    #97: “You can’t really be surprised by this… He told us what he was gonna do…”

    Yeah, not to mention this:

    We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

    There you have it. Der Shrubbenfuhrer and Big Time Dick are creating their own reality…which applies to them and them alone.


  123. barfly Says:

    And now, the precedent has been set for the next democratic president to do the exact same thing. How galling will it be to these “conservatives” after the next election, and their attempts to gain insight into the future admin’s handling of secret material are met with the same straight-arm tactics? Get ready for an avalanche of “But Bush was the first to do it, so how can you so-called ‘conservatives’ complain?” — and truckloads of “STFU.”


  124. Wretched Refuse Says:

    Hey MAF54,
    Zooey would be afforded the second slot for lever pulling. If she declined, then it goes to the next.
    MAAF54, no one here respects you. We would sooned slit your throat than continue to have to read your shit.


  125. marlow Says:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
    Tories fought for King George then, and they’ll fight for King George now.


  126. barfly Says:

    You really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?

    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007

    Says the guy who associates himself with a pedophile.

    Got irony?


  127. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    #116: My dear Zooey and the other lovely, although oh-so-misguided, liberals. Please take notice of posts #108 and #116. You really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?

    Comment by MAF54

    There’s nothing fanatical about what #108 says. No threats were made. Clearly the person posting that is frustrated beyond words w/ the rampant insanity of BruschCoâ„¢.

    As far as #116, you’re right. It’s over the top, just like at least 4200 of the 4300 plus postings over at the Conservatives/Talk radio thread from a couple of days ago. The rest of us aren’t responsible for what a few posters say here, nor does one individual represent all of us.


  128. MAF54 Says:

    #123: Ah. I see. I should have written hothead, homicidal fanatics…


  129. MAF54 Says:

    #127: I do no such thing. Show me where I’ve said such a thing.


  130. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    We would sooned slit your throat than continue to have to read your shit.

    Comment by Wretched Refuse

    This is a little over the top, too.


  131. freedomrings Says:

    Ah yes. And being physically attacked for being a scab is the price for not striking.
    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:27 pm

    So, show me the law that forces me to go to work like a good slave…

    The MAJORITY wants resolve YESTERDAY


  132. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Just a thought, if Bruschâ„¢ is not part of the Executive branch, then why does he make Executive Orders?


  133. Wretched Refuse Says:

    I have no problem killing neo-cons. I have desensitized myself over the last 6 years to their even being human. I have NO compunction to kill them. MAF included.

    Remember, BRING IT ON!


  134. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    #116: My dear Zooey and the other lovely, although oh-so-misguided, liberals. Please take notice of posts #108 and #116. You really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?

    Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

    I’ll return the favor of your honesty in your earlier comment: Not really. While it’s human to want revenge (and I’ll admit that I have thought that Cheney deserves the same torture tactics that he so readily dismisses as torture), I prefer to be a law-abiding citizen (also something that Cheney so readily dismisses.) As I have said before, I only regularly break two laws, one of which is exceeding the speed limit on the highway.


  135. Wretched Refuse Says:

    THERE ARE NO LAWS ANYMORE.
    DON’T YOU ALL GET IT!!!????


  136. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    “This is a little over the top, too.”
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 1:36 pm

    Yeah, just a tad. (”What’s a tad? In space terms, about a million miles.” “Airplane” fans?)


  137. marlow Says:

    “He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.”


  138. Bernard Quatermass Says:

    “No need for you plebs to get involved.”

    “You” plebs? What are you, then?


  139. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    As I have said before, I only regularly break two laws, one of which is exceeding the speed limit on the highway.

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Since you phrased it this way, I gotta ask, Jane… what’s the other one?


  140. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    “You” plebs? What are you, then?

    Comment by Bernard Quatermass

    Righto, Bernardo… just out of curiosity, what social status does MAF54 assign himself? This otter be good, and rather self-serving.


  141. Publicus Says:

    Recommendation:

    MAF54 believes that it’s wrong to oppose the policies of this government, and even worse to do something about it. He’s entitled to his opinion. But it’s just stupid and requires no “refutation”…so save your typing fingers for responding to the actual post…and not the troll.


  142. freedomrings Says:

    Funny, I never promoted violence. In many posts I have been determined to post the last remaining non violent option of the people…

    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

    Basically, this means those who want to participate, simply stay home and cease doing any business at all.
    If there is no resolve then GENERAL STRIKES combined with marches and protests begin.
    If none of that works there will be an open revolt.
    That is the order of things! You want your free speech zones don’t you?
    GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!


  143. kevkev Says:

    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    R.I.P.
    Born: July 4, 1776
    Died: December 12, 2000*

    * Bush v. Gore, United States Supreme Court case decision December 12, 2000


  144. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    THERE ARE NO LAWS ANYMORE.
    DON’T YOU ALL GET IT!!!????

    Comment by Wretched Refuse

    This is taking us onto shakiy ground, Wretched. I’m totally w/ you in your rage here. This kind of gets at waht’s so wrong w/ BruschCoâ„¢, though, and shows where this sort of thing drags us all if we’re not careful.

    The problem w/ Gitmo was that we “libruls” wanted to mollycoddle the “terraists”, it was that by resorting to torture, we had become as bad as the peopel we were fighting. We were no longer pulling the world up to a higher standard, we had sunk down to their level.

    If we do not hold OURSELVES to certain standards, then we are no longer the people we claim and want to be.

    I feel the same when I read some of these hyper-vitriolic statements here. Don’t get me wrong, i say some awfully sharp, nasty things here, but if you start talking mob violence, we’ve lost, because we become JUST LIKE THEM.

    I totally agree w/ your rage, BTW.


  145. freedomrings Says:

    Yep, if the highest office in the land is not bound by any of the laws of said land then it is a full blown DICTATORSHIP. Now watch the Congress do nothing. So, now you know what is at stake. The will of the People is the Law of the land!

    TIME TO STRIKE


  146. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    “Since you phrased it this way, I gotta ask, Jane… what’s the other one?”
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 1:43 pm

    Oh, I’m still enjoying a recreational habit from my youth.;-)


  147. BottomBoy Says:

    even worse to do something about it. He’s entitled to his opinion

    It would be worse to do anything on a grassroot level because that really doesn’t matter - at least until just about the elections. Strike, and you will be either ignored by the federal government, or you will be brought to your knees like when Reagan dealt with the air traffic controllers. You can’t win by fighting, and there’s no point in trying.


  148. BlueArkansas Says:

    Okay, that’s it. Bush issued an executive order, and exempted himself from it. That is indisputably a violation of his oath of office to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and to execute his office.

    It’s time. Enough games. Impeach him and Cheney!


  149. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Oh, I’m still enjoying a recreational habit from my youth.;-)

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Ah yes, I thought so… (snicker**snicker**)…


  150. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    You can’t win by fighting, and there’s no point in trying.

    Comment by BottomBoy

    Oh God, you again… aren’t you and MAF54 due to molest a helpless child on another thread, somewhere far far away?


  151. Spudge_Boy Says:

    Oh, I’m still enjoying a recreational habit from my youth.;-)

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 1:55 pm

    You like to roller skate too? I didn’t know it was illegal. ; )


  152. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Write Nancy Pelosi and tell her what you think. Do it today and do it often. It is part of my morning ritual.

    http://speaker.gov/contact/

    Comment by katie — June 23, 2007 @ 11:24 am

    Thanks for the link, katie. I sent her am e-mail a few minutes ago and I posted it on my blog.

    And thanks for practicing good citizenship.


  153. freedomrings Says:

    Comment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 1:55 pm

    So, according to your post you took the Star Trek Next Generation approach and made the claim of the Borg that, “Resistance is Futile!”

    So, why bother? Hark; you are another agent of FUD for the Dictator. You will also be crushed along with tyranny!


  154. Spudge_Boy Says:

    You can’t win by fighting, and there’s no point in trying.

    Comment by BottomBoy

    So, you are advocating that we should allow the United States to become a dictatorship and do nothing but sit and home and watch it happen?


  155. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    “Ah yes, I thought so… (snicker**snicker**)…”
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 1:58 pm

    Well, I don’t really drink anymore, and, in these dark times, one needs a little escape, right? :D (Besides, I still have a few brain cells left undamaged!)


  156. El Tonno Says:

    Kafka on the Potomac! Bush is really the “über-president”.

    Need a sign the WH:

    “Closed for full renovation. Come back soon.”


  157. Toss these losers Says:

    So what have Dick and the Shrub reclassified themselves to, the F.U. branch?

    Perhaps this is the dictator’s way of pushing back against the congressional oversight and just seeing how far he can take this. The importance of this constitutional showdown should not be under emphasized.


  158. Jane E. Schneider Says:

    “You like to roller skate too? I didn’t know it was illegal. ; )”
    Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 23, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

    Is that what the kids are calling it these days? ;-)


  159. BottomBoy Says:

    #153: Yes. Unless you want to die for your cause, which, of course, is commendable. There are big wheels turning right now and there’s no going back to the pre-9/11 world. Democracy as we know it will never be the same.


  160. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    freedomrings,

    I’m not up on all my internet abbreviations for blogging. What does “FUD” mean? I’ve seen you use it numerous time, and while I am usually good at puzzling them out, this one has me stumped. Thanks.


  161. Publicus Says:

    BottomBoy -

    No need to be so pessimistic. Gandhi expelled the British Empire from his country through non-violent resistance. The Czech ultimately did a pretty good job against the communists. We can rid ourselves of our tyrants…might not be easy or quick. But tyrants ultimately lose support, and then just lose.


  162. freedomrings Says:

    Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 23, 2007 @ 2:03 pm

    He is suggesting that we don’t protest, strike, march or revolt since he is an agent of the dictator. He wants us to believe that we have lost and that resistance is foolish. He wants us to accept our fate and live as slaves!


  163. marlow Says:

    Can’t win by fighting????? The British had the best army in the world, an essentially invincible fleet, and every other advantage other than colonists who had had enough and wanted to fight, WIN OR LOSE. I wish our goddamn congress would remember that.


  164. Spudge_Boy Says:

    #153: Yes. Unless you want to die for your cause, which, of course, is commendable. There are big wheels turning right now and there’s no going back to the pre-9/11 world. Democracy as we know it will never be the same.

    Comment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 2:06 pm

    And you are okay with this or are you mad as hell? Or is it that you gave up a long itme ago and are along for the ride? I mean are you really okay with advocating what you clearly see is going on or do you think that you will be one of the special ones that doesn’t get treated like every other citizen? Or do you plan on taking up arms against your fellow Americans for stopping what you have admitted is going on?


  165. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    “Closed for full renovation. Come back soon.”

    Comment by El Tonno

    Right… this crowd is so F*&kin’ dumb they’ll probably try,

    a) Changing the locks…

    b) Painting the place a different color…

    c) Changing the numbers in the address…


  166. freedomrings Says:

    FUD = FEAR UNCERTAINTY & DOUBT

    You can’t do that you will be killed! = FUD

    That is just as wrong as their side so don’t even think it. = FUD

    The jack boots are here just surrender! = FUD


  167. Spudge_Boy Says:

    What does “FUD” mean?

    Fear Uncertanty and Doubt.

    It is used a lot in the technology industry. As a PR person it is my job to spread FUD about my compettitors products.


  168. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    There are big wheels turning right now and there’s no going back to the pre-9/11 world. Democracy as we know it will never be the same.

    Comment by BottomBoy

    And what will be your reward for helping this all come about? 72 virgins?

    So many frightened little boys, so little time…


  169. Mr. Bush Goes To Hell Says:

    be brought to your knees like when Reagan dealt with the air traffic

    TRAITOR Reagan is DEAD. And in hell for his TREASON…

    When TRAITOR Bush’s time comes, he will join TRAITOR Ronnie…


  170. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Well, I don’t really drink anymore, and, in these dark times, one needs a little escape, right? :D (Besides, I still have a few brain cells left undamaged!)

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Well, what can I say, other than, been there, tried that, and tried it again, and again… and I’m just going to have to give as many tries as it takes… ;-)…


  171. freedomrings Says:

    MAF54 & BottomBoy are agents spreading FUD in an attempt to break the unity of the people against the tyranny that they are part of. If you set out to do something there is always some Doubting Thomas hanging around. These agents are more sophisticated then that though. They create doubt in our minds if we allow them to and are actual traitors to the People. In an open revolt they would be weeded out and killed since they are agents of tyranny. Here we are considering peaceful protest by GENERAL STRIKE and according to these 2 agents we are defeated before we even start………….

    Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahahhaah