Bush claims he’s not part of the executive branch.
Bush claims he’s not part of the executive branch.
Vice President Cheney has exempted his office from a presidential executive order designed to safeguard classified national security information by claiming that the Office of the Vice President is not an “entity within the executive branch.” Today the LA Times reveals that the President has also exempted himself:
The White House said Friday that, like Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, President Bush’s office is not allowing an independent federal watchdog to oversee its handling of classified national security information.
An executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 — amending an existing order — requires all government agencies that are part of the executive branch to submit to oversight. Although it doesn’t specifically say so, Bush’s order was not meant to apply to the vice president’s office or the president’s office, a White House spokesman said.
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June 23rd, 2007 at 11:14 amWell, then, dum basses, if it doesn’t specifically say so it APPLIES!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 amit’s a matter of whether Waxman catches Cheney before the ‘09 or not
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 amYou know, this is so elementary it’s hard to believe even this administration is trying to get away with it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 am#1, konflikt, you had the same reaction as I did. I’m hoping that anyone with half a brain has the exact same reaction.
Time to impeach!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:18 amahahahahhaha hahahahahhAHAHHA
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 amSo, does this mean Executive Privilege does NOT apply to the Vice President and perhaps even the President? I’m all for that.
If you’re not in the Executive, you’re against the Executive.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 am“We don’t dispute that the ISOO has a different opinion. But let’s be very clear: This executive order was issued by the president, and he knows what his intentions were,” Fratto said. “He is in compliance with his executive order.”
but NOT CLEAR ENOUGH TO WRITE IT IN THE ORIGINAL ORDER?!?!?!
this is the craziest thing ive heard yet.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 amThanks for the Saturday morning laugh.
With this bunch that’s just about all you can do these days.
IMPEACH!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 amWrite Nancy Pelosi and tell her what you think. Do it today and do it often. It is part of my morning ritual.
http://speaker.gov/contact/
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 amFor 222 years we got LUCKY!
For 222 years we were working under a massive Delusion.
For 222 years we deluded ourselves there laws that run this country and governed the activities of our Government.
George Bush has demonstrated time and again those “laws” are little more than a “Gentlemens’ Agreement.”
An “Executive Order” exempting themselves from ‘obeying the law’?
Who exactly is supposed to ‘arrest’ George?
Republicans have clearly shown they aren’t the “Gentlemen” to do it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 amHoly crapinahat, Batman, it’s dipsydoodle time again. Mayhap Cheney and Bush are receiving messages from god.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:27 amLet’s see if ABC, CBS or NBC report this latest outrage in the evening news tonight or anytime over the weekend.
WTF!!!
I’m convinced now that Bush will declare himself dictator soon. All that we need is another terrorist attack and we’re ****ed.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 amWell, Well Rep. Waxman and Rep Conyers….Do you suppose you could get going on Articles Of Impeachment forthwith? huh….Just maybe these criminals are hiding something….ya think?….maybe something to do with 9/11 or the stealing of elections or OUR Treasury?… TIME TO IMPEACH NOW…THESE CROOKS BELONG IN JAIL….REMEMBER …. RULE OF LAW!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 amPerhaps its time to stop acting like “Gentlemen”?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 amWrite Nancy Pelosi and let her know what you think. Do it today and do it often. I do it every morning.
http://speaker.gov/contact/
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:31 am“I’m convinced now that Bush will declare himself dictator soon. All that we need is another terrorist attack and we’re ****ed.”
I do believe that you are right. But, he won’t call himself Dictator, he will call himself the Dictator Guy.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 amThe Decider, The Big Dick and their accessories are a rogue nation unto themselves operating outside of our constitution and above U.S. and international law.
It’s no use pretending we are a constitutional republic any longer. We are now living in a state of outright fascism and the only way to take our country back is to force congress to impeach them both.
http://www.impeachbush.org
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:33 amLooks to me like the United States now has its very own self-appointed Fuhrer and vice-Fuhrer. And what is there to stop them from doing this? The sock-puppets in the Supreme Court, or Congress, most of whom have been bought off, threatened, or both?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:35 amHe’s correct, he’s not part of the executive branch, he’s part of the Nazi
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:35 amparty.
It’s good to be king.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:36 amI realize this is issue is a little complicated, but nothing will turn the American people against Bush, and Cheney faster then saying they are above the law.
And so far I haven’t found a single constitutional scholar who sides with them on this issue. They may have finally stepped so far outside the law, that impeachment will be demanded. I just wonder if they can do it before 2009?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:38 amNow in my uneducated opinion, THIS would qualify as a Constitutional Crisis!!!! Apparently we no longer have an Executive Branch as proscribed by the Constitution.
If the Congress refuses to do it duty by impeaching the criminals who are tearing apart our government, can we as a people sue to MAKE them do their duty????? What remedy do the people have????
Is there anybody out there who remembers what our country used to be???
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 amwtf?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:45 amImpeach, indict-
The question is, who will be the piss-boy? It can’t be Pelosi.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:47 amThe American people would be outraged, IF the msm ever told them what was going on any more. Will this even get mentioned, probably not.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:48 am“…as proscribed by the Constitution.” Comment by foolme1ns — June 23, 2007 @ 11:45 am
foolme1ns, don’t make the same mistake that Valiant Venus did – it’s “prescribed.” :-)
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June 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 amAs was raised by Krazny, constitutional scholars have not come forward to defend this and I look forward to their arguments if and when they do. Of more immediate interest, no trolls have yet put in their two-cents on this thread (which, of course, is too much to pay for their opinion). But, all jokes and put-downs aside, the standard for intellectual rigor is substantially lower for trolls and yet there is nothing being said.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 amIf the executive order doesn’t apply to the president’s and the VP’s offices, Bush must believe that everyone (dozens? hundreds?) in those offices safeguards classified national security information properly– that they are more trustworthy than people in the FBI, Pentagon, etc. I wonder what Bush’s evidence is for his belief.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 amI’ve been all over Pajamas Media and conservative sites to see the outrage. Total silence on this issue.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 amIn a country of the people, by the people, for the people this is called dictatorship. No man is exempt from “trust but verify” or else there is no reason for anyone to follow the law at all. If the people that are temporarily allowed to work in the positions of the president and vice president can get away with this then what protection does Americas system have from a human being or two that have gone mad with all that power in their hands? How is this any different in substance from a King?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:53 amVery valid point peter, this is an attempt to set the executive office above the other branches of government, and exempt it from any oversight at all. I wonder how the right wing would have reacted if Bill Clinton had tried a similar tactic? They would have demanded lynch mobs in the street.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:53 amCandyce, notice there are no trolls so far on this or the Olbermann thread? Hmmm…
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:54 amImpeach, indict and imprison these traitors. They pick and choose which laws to follow, which means the government of, by and for the people is obsolete in the USA.
I was originally against this Congress impeaching Bush, because so very many screwups demand their attention, and Congress will become bogged down in the process. In addition, I surely didn’t want Cheney taking over the presidency. But with each succeeding day, the high crimes, misdemeanors, and flat-out incompetence of this misadministration is exposed, and now, there is only one way to restore the respect and integrity of the Executive Branch. Impeach Bush/Cheney NOW!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 amArticle One: Legislative power
Main article: Article One of the United States Constitution
Article One establishes the legislative branch of government, U.S. Congress, which includes the House of Representatives and the Senate. The legislative branch makes the laws. The Article establishes the manner of election and qualifications of members of each House. In addition, it provides for free debate in congress and limits self-serving behavior of congressmen, outlines legislative procedure and indicates the powers of the legislative branch. There is a debate as to whether the powers listed in Article 1 Section 8 are a list of enumerated powers. These powers may also be interpreted as a list of powers formerly either executive or judicial in nature, that have been explicitly granted to the U.S. Congress. This interpretation may be further supported by a broad definition of both the commerce clause, and the necessary and proper clause of the Constitution. The argument for enumerated powers can be traced back to 1819 McCulloch v. Maryland United States Supreme Court ruling. Finally, it establishes limits on federal and state legislative power.
[edit] Article Two: Executive power
Main article: Article Two of the United States Constitution
Article Two describes the presidency (the executive branch): procedures for the selection of the president, qualifications for office, the oath to be affirmed and the powers and duties of the office. It also provides for the office of Vice President of the United States, and specifies that the Vice President succeeds to the presidency if the President is incapacitated, dies, or resigns, although whether this succession was on an acting or permanent basis was left unclear. In practice, this has always been treated as succession, and the 25th Amendment provides explicitly for succession. Article Two also provides for the impeachment and removal from office of civil officers (the President, Vice President, judges, and others).
[edit] Article Three: Judicial power
Main article: Article Three of the United States Constitution
Article Three describes the court system (the judicial branch), including the Supreme Court. The article requires that there be one court called the Supreme Court; Congress, at its discretion, can create lower courts, whose judgments and orders are reviewable by the Supreme Court. Article Three also requires trial by jury in all criminal cases, defines the crime of treason, and charges Congress with providing for a punishment for it.
[edit] Article Four: States’ powers and limits
Main article: Article Four of the United States Constitution
Article Four describes the relationship between the states and the Federal government, and amongst the states. For instance, it requires states to give “full faith and credit” to the public acts, records and court proceedings of the other states. Congress is permitted to regulate the manner in which proof of such acts, records or proceedings may be admitted. The “privileges and immunities” clause prohibits state governments from discriminating against citizens of other states in favor of resident citizens (e.g., having tougher penalties for residents of Ohio convicted of crimes within Michigan). It also establishes extradition between the states, as well as laying down a legal basis for freedom of movement and travel amongst the states. Today, this provision is sometimes taken for granted, especially by citizens who live near state borders; but in the days of the Articles of Confederation, crossing state lines was often a much more arduous (and costly) process. Article Four also provides for the creation and admission of new states. The Territorial Clause gives Congress the power to make rules for disposing of Federal property and governing non-state territories of the United States. Finally, the fourth section of Article Four requires the United States to guarantee to each state a republican form of government, and to protect the states from invasion and violence.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 am“Impeach Bush/Cheney NOW!”
Comment by Emerald — June 23, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Don’t forget Gonzales!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:56 amThe president has already said that the constitution is nothing but a gotdammed piece of paper and this shows his contempt for our rule of law.
Nancy Pelosi’s email address is: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
Locate your congressperson/senator at: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
WRITE THEM! DEMAND WE RETURN TO OUR RULE OF LAW!
If people don’t start to do something immediately, our country will reach the point of no return. Bush already has an executive order in place to call martial law at any time for any emercency he so chooses. Congress will become powerless. Who is going to do something then? They already ignore Congress…Congress won’t be able to stop them.
People talk about the election in 2008 and a transition in 2009. If martial law is called, do you think elections will take place? If they do take place yet the emergency takes place in the days or months before Jan/09, will that transition happen? WHO WILL ENSURE THAT OUR RULES OF LAW ARE FOLLOWED??
These people are power hungry criminals. They are war criminals against other countries and they are criminals of our own rule of law.
WRITE! WRITE! WRITE!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:56 amJane,
it would have to be the whole crew, from Bush down. A clean sweep to remove the trash, and establish a law abiding government.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:57 am“What will we tell the children?”
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 pmKrazny, let’s not forget the appointees to the SCOTUS. When Bush was originally elected that was (and continues) to be my biggest fear. I do think we will eventually rid ourselves of this administration, but the supreme court is the gift that will keep giving and giving (or in our case, taking and taking – our rights, that is).
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 pmWell, Bush may be right in this case.
He has said repeatedly that he is the head of the ADMINISTRATIVE branch, and not the Executive branch!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:04 pmI consider this to be a Constitutional Crisis. When the executives declare themselves to be outside or OUR government and the rules and laws of that government, then there can be only one remedy. They must be removed from office immediately before they can further damage OUR government.
It is passed time to impeach and indict these traitorous criminals.
It is passed time that we demand that our congress does its duty!!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:07 pmTo be honest, I’m baffled by this statement too.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:07 pmit would have to be the whole crew, from Bush down. A clean sweep to remove the trash, and establish a law abiding government.
Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Fine by me! All of his political appointments now heading (ruining) the EPA, FDA, etc., etc., must go!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 pmWhy does the Executive hate the Executive so much?
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 pmTo be honest, I’m baffled by this statement too.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Wow, if you’re really MAF54, thank you for your honesty.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:09 pmI am the real MAF54 and, as I said, I can see only a lose-lose situation developing with this line of argumentation. You may play fast and loose with stuff like habeas, which is not really that well an established concept in our system, but this is a political suicide.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:11 pmPerhaps congress should look over the SCOTUS nominees as well. If Bush is removed, perhaps a case can be made to remove Alito, and Roberts
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:12 pmKnow Thy Enemy: The Patriot Act
Ultimately, the Patriot Act gives unchecked power to the Executive Branch of the government. That’s unconstitutional. The constitution sets up the government so that it’s run with check and balances of power-the legislative and judicial branches should have equal power to that of the executive. Under the Patriot Act, that doesn’t happen.
God Bless The Enabling Act!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:12 pmEr, I Mean……
God Bless The Patriot Act!
It’s not the law, it’s Calvinball!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:15 pmMAF54, it’s nice to know that we can agree on one thing, anyway. You are right in that it is political suicide, but that will only happen if other news outlets actually report on this, and the rest of the country actually realizes what Bush and Cheney are stating.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:16 pmIt is true. It is true. They are not part of the Executive Branch but by his own decree King George has given himself Royal Prerogative.
Let us just stop ignoring the elephant in the room. It is wearing purple and thinks it is King by divine right.
Let us also hope that he give up his throne peaceably when the time comes.
The Dems should have a friggin catalog of these instances available at a moment’s notice on the campaign trail, waving them in the air like dirty underwear at every opportunity.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmMAF54, Habeus Corpus is the thing in the constitution that makes the othe rights enforcable. Without it, the constitution becomes a gotdammed piece of paper. Without it, there’s no remedy for ensuring you have any rights should you be carried off in the middle of the night by someone in the government. With no Habeus Corpus, you could disappear and never be heard from again.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 pm“…waving them in the air like dirty underwear at every opportunity.”
Comment by j swift — June 23, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Good comparison, but also first “ewww” moment of the day! :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 pmThis teacher says it’s homework time for George and Dick.
1. Take out your copy of the US Constitution and read Article II, about the Executive Branch. Don’t worry, it’s not too long.
2. See all references to the phrase “Vice-President.
3. In your own words, describe and explain the “Vice-President” as part of the Executive Branch. Turn in your test at the beginning of class on Monday morning.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:22 pm** Tee-Shirt Idea **
You know how wingers have shirts, bumper stickers, and stuff with John 99:01 or whatever; how about:
US Constitution:
Article II Section IV
These guys are so crazy. Now they’re just rubbing everyone’s face in their insanity because congress lets them. Not only am I pissed at Dems for not immediately impeaching these clowns, but i’m even more pissed at GOPers who continue to support a WH that is clearly anti-American. Talk about hating your country, it’s just disgusting.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:24 pmHabeus Corpus is the thing in the constitution that makes the othe rights enforcable.
Habeas has been suspended before. The idea of three branches of the government has never been challenged. That was my point.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pmTime to impeach!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Impeachment will remain off the table until a Democrat is elected President.
Didn’t you get the memo?
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pmThe dems now have the perfect opportunity to impeach. Any republican votes against impeachment would be a vote against our constitution.
Let’s watch the spinmasters spin that!
Why do I have to follow laws yet they don’t? Where’s the outrage there?
And someone said it perfectly…if Clinton had tried this, he’d have been tarred and feathered and then drawn and quartered and then fed to the chickens.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 pmDidn’t you get the memo?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
You mean the one that said, “Thanks for putting me in power, now go away”?
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 pmBuh Bye Executive Privilege then.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:34 pmFrom the article:
2003, the same year we invaded Iraq, and Valerie Plame’s status as a CIA covert agent was revealed, and the CIA Covert Operation for tracking WMD was “declassified.”
And now we’re told that the President and Vice-President are exempted from oversight, and have been all along.
And, he’s right, because Impeachment is off the table.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 pmSeen as the executive branch is in fact, the presidency, does this mean Bush has resigned?
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 pmI wonder if we won’t go straight to arrests in the white house, just jump past the impeachment process, and send in the FBI.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 pmTIME FOR A NATIONAL STRIKE!!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 pmDear Speaker Pelosi,
With the recent proclamations by Vice President Cheney, and now President Bush, that they are not a part of the Executive Branch of our government, and are therefore above the Constutition they are circumventing, it is imperative for the Legislative Branch to take action. These acts by the Executive Branch are treacherous, and are the very platform upon which prior tyrants have come to power.
I understand why Impeachement was previously off the table, but in light of these current proclaimations by the President and the Vice President, We the People see no viable alternative. Even if you don’t have the votes, and even if the opposition resorts to name calling, you must now consider the ramifications of not standing up to this obvious power grab that will destroy our 226 year old Democracy. You have the support of the American people. Please value it more than you value your position.
Sincerely,
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:40 pmThey weren’t elected. So they’re not part of the government.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:45 pm“What will we tell the children?â€
Comment by gah — June 23, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Tell them that Jesus Christ died for our sins, so we can do whatever we want and still get to heavan; that Bush is God’s Annointed on Earth and derives his power directly from God and that we are blessed to have Bush as our President; and that they should stop complaining and eat their genetically engineered corn flakes. Oh, and that they should stay inside and watch TV because the air outside is unhealthy.
or simply tell them:
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Seen as the executive branch is in fact, the presidency, does this mean Bush has resigned?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 23, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Let’s go with that…
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:48 pmThe responsibility to restore the Constitution now lay squarely on our shoulders. Clearly we are subjects of a Military Dictatorship that enforces the rules of the Plutocracy. The longer we wait the more difficult to restore the Constitution if indeed it is not already too late.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:49 pmGENERAL STRIKE GENERAL STRIKE GENERAL STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Great, Unb!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:50 pmI just sent a letter to Jay Inslee, my local congressman that in light of these new revelations, it is necessary to remove Bush, and Cheney. I would suggest we all do the same through Congress.org
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:55 pmBy their own lie’s they shall be known as traitors…Perhap’s we are looking at this in the wrong light…Maybe instead of impeachment our congress should go streight to eviction, arrest and seizing all asset’s..This administration cheney/bush say that the rules have changed once again..O.K. by their rules they are not intitled to reside in the white house, have security clearance and dictate war’s not declared by the congress..Instead of impeaching just arrest them for war crimes, treason, impersonating presidental power, violating the constitution, on and on..
Well Madam Speaker what’s it gonna be, our way or their way.?.Just pick one damn it and throw their asses in jail…Blessings
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:57 pmYou may play fast and loose with stuff like habeas, which is not really that well an established concept in our system, but this is a political suicide.
Comment by MAF54
What, no “Clinton did it too?”
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:01 pmGood! Then let’s throw the intruders out!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:03 pmI just sent a letter to Jay Inslee, my local congressman that in light of these new revelations, it is necessary to remove Bush, and Cheney. I would suggest we all do the same through Congress.org
Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Writing letters helps improve our handwriting and typing skills and that is great. Doing so lets the Dictator know (through his minions) that you dissent and your name and your address. Rest assured that even if it appears that there are sides or points of view in this dictatorship the actual truth it that plutocrats (congress) are minions of the Dictator.
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:06 pmGENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
Who would arrest the president if it was necessary? The secret service? the FBI? Seriously who would have to go and do it?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:06 pmLet’s help Bush and Cheney to NOT be a part of the executive branch: IMPEACH BOTH.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:06 pm“…by their rules they are not intitled to reside in the white house, have security clearance and dictate war’s not declared by the congress..Instead of impeaching just arrest them for war crimes, treason, impersonating presidental power, violating the constitution, on and on..”
Comment by Sharon — June 23, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Can we arrest them for trespassing? :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:07 pmWho would arrest the president if it was necessary? The secret service? the FBI? Seriously who would have to go and do it?
Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
From what Wayne tells me, it’s the Capitol police. Although I would love to go myself and make a citizen’s arrest!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:09 pmGENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:09 pmPathetic. This is for the Congerss to handle. What you’re advocating is fundamentally anti-democratic.
Who would arrest the president if it was necessary? The secret service? the FBI? Seriously who would have to go and do it?
Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
I’m a citizen and I will do it as long as 1 million people join me (otherwise I would be out numbered)!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:10 pmWhat a convenient post hoc interpretation.
I mean I guess we need the other branches of government? Someone has to take the garbage out.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:10 pmLOL it would be a bad idea for me to go, I would have to kick Bush in the balls a few times or work our my aggression.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:10 pm#81: Yes. You would do that. What is it with you people who think that mob action will solve anything?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 pmPeople who consider themselves above the law are outlaws. They must be put into a jail where theybelong.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 pmGeezus H. Christopher…
When did we all go back to the playground?
This is getting so bizarre it’s hard to even reply to it in words anymore..
#%*&&@!!! *&^+#%!!! IMPEACH THE BAS#*ARDS, already!!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:12 pmGENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
Pathetic. This is for the Congerss to handle. What you’re advocating is fundamentally anti-democratic.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Is it? LOL well great then and so doesn’t matter since we have a DICTATORSHIP NOW
You go girl!
By the way a GENERAL STRIKE is covered under the 1st Amendment as protest!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:12 pmSo then shooting him right between the eyes is NOT assinating the President?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:13 pmI confused
“What you’re advocating is fundamentally anti-democratic.”
Comment by MAF54 —
Well, now that the corporate viewpoint has been aired …
Where’s the “Clinton did it, too?”
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:14 pmCome to think of it, Bruschâ„¢ is right. He’s definitely not part of any identifiable, definable branch of the government that I can see.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:14 pm#87: General strike means that everyone agrees with it. I don’t. There are means that the House can use to rein in a run-away executive. No need for you plebs to get involved.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:15 pm“By the way a GENERAL STRIKE is covered under the 1st Amendment as protest!”
Doesn’t mean it’ll ever happen. Have you forgotten that we live in a country with more bread and circuses per capita than any nation on earth?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmWhat is it with you people who think that mob action will solve anything?
Comment by MAF54
What is it with you corpro-trolls? Why must you characterize a strike as the actions of a “mob?”
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:16 pm#87: General strike means that everyone agrees with it. I don’t. There are means that the House can use to rein in a run-away executive. No need for you plebs to get involved.
Comment by MAF54
MAF you dipshit, why do you America so much.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmComment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Who is this MAF54? Why does this agent of disinformation and lies come among the citizens of this nation? It claims a GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE is anti-democratic.
Do you want me to start quoting the Founding Fathers MAF54?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:17 pmAnd at what point will congressional republicans decide to save their country? When will they decide enough is enough and make impeachment possible? Compared to the sh*t they just pulled, refusing to honor the results of an election and step down are no big deal.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:18 pmYou can’t really be surprised by this… He told us what he was gonna do…
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:18 pmhttp://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-dictatorship.htm
#93: What else would it be? Radical and often badly thought action by a group of people who just don’t see the big picture.
#94: Why do I love America so much? I just do, man. I just do.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:18 pmJust a tought, and a scary one at that…
If the regular “rules” no longer apply to BruschCoâ„¢, does that include concepts like, I dunno, term limits and elections too?
Is this the Idjit-In-Chief’s opening gambit to not leave the WH in ‘09?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:18 pmYeah MAF54. And there was no need for us “plebs” in 1776 either.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:19 pm#95: It’s anti-democratic, because no-one asks me if I approve of a general strike or not. Where’s the mechanism that lets me have a say in it?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:19 pm#87: General strike means that everyone agrees with it. I don’t. There are means that the House can use to rein in a run-away executive. No need for you plebs to get involved.
Comment by MAF54
MAF you dipshit, why do you HATE America so much?
The word was hate, is hate, will always be hate, because that is what you koolaid mofukers do is HATE America. The democratically controlled America. You are more confortable with the Big father-type telling you who to suck and who to f*ck, and what to do. SO, good luck to you when the mobs come a calling on any and all of you neo-con scumbags who supported, yes your words here support King dumbshit. And we will have one question for you:
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:20 pmNylon or hemp?
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/hangmansnoose.html
“There are means that the House can use to rein in a run-away executive. No need for you plebs to get involved.”
Comment by MAF54
And the 109th congress did so well at that, after how many years of being shown Bush’s true, anti-democratic nature, by his dictatorial acts?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:20 pm#95: “come among the citizens of this nation”. What’s wrong with you, dude. You sound like some tired old actor making a historical speech on a stage. “citizens of this nations” my ass.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:20 pmThe tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:21 pm– Thomas Jefferson
The reason George Bush gets away with what he does is because Congress is not willing to use the power of the purse.
Congress can cut off funds to the executive branch including the president’s pay check, if the scared “kitty cats” wanted to!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:21 pm#95: “come among the citizens of this nationâ€. What’s wrong with you, dude. You sound like some tired old actor making a historical speech on a stage. “citizens of this nations†my ass.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
You are an agent of tyranny! You will be crushed along with tyranny!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:22 pmWell imagine that! All that krap we were taught in history and civics classes was just a bunch of phooey. There is no executive branch – it doesn’t exist. Bush and Cheney have just said so.
You got to admit the hubris and arrogance of these treasonous bastards is unparalleled. And pardon me for saying so, but you can’t get any Orwellian than Bush issuing an EXECUTIVE order then claiming it doesn’t apply to himself and Cheney because they are not the EXECUTIVE branch of government. Simply Fu%*ing Amazing.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:22 pmgood luck to you when the mobs come a calling on any and all of you neo-con scumbags who supported…nylon or hemp?
Ah yes. Many liberals will object to a death penalty you seem to be advocating, you know, but I’m sure you with all your political purity and rage will just silence them by force if necessary – like you’d do with those who oppose mindless mob action like a general strike and actually favor democratic means like a due process in Congress.
I guess you’ll just silence your conscience by making yourself believe that you’re a good soldier for the revolution and that ends will justify the means.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:24 pm#108: You will be crushed along with tyranny! Mao, Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot would be proud of you, my friend.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pmHere are the instructions to restore liberty…..
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm#95: It’s anti-democratic, because no-one asks me if I approve of a general strike or not. Where’s the mechanism that lets me have a say in it?
Comment by MAF54
You can strike, or you can choose to not strike. Who are you to tell everyone else waht to do?
Quick, LOOK! There’s a new page lounging around the pool in an extremely tight pair of Speedos…
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm“Habeas has been suspended before. The idea of three branches of the government has never been challenged. That was my point.”
Yes, and that was during the Civil War which is one to the circumstances when it can done constitutionally. The other is invasion. We are under neither of those conditions and His Highness has no business f*cking with it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:26 pmA couple of days ago, Vice President Cheney declared, oddly, that his office was not part of the Executive branch of our federal United States of America government. Now a second three-year-old, our little Royal Bushie, has decided that he also wants to play that “No no, no” game: Bush has declared that his office is also not part of the Executive branch of our federal United States of America government, as far as any oversight by an independent federal oversight agency is concerned…
Some Republican bigwig said a couple of days ago that “reality frightens the progressive blogosphere” or some such. I guess that Cheney and Bush are really scared by reality – even a thin sliver of slight oversight has them sh*tting proverbial bricks… Will the lying compliciit corporate baloney media bother reporting these musings by Cheney and Bush and the implications thereof?
What are Cheney and Bush hiding? Can’t they just plead “insanity” during their upcoming treason trials?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:27 pmYou can strike, or you can choose to not strike.
Ah yes. And being physically attacked for being a scab is the price for not striking.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:27 pm#
#108: You will be crushed along with tyranny! Mao, Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot would be proud of you, my friend.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
Blow it out your fascist ass you treasonous little twat. — as an earlier poster stated, when the revolution comes — you’ll have your choice of a hemp or nylon necktie — it’s the only courtesy your ilk will be afforded.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:27 pmAh yes. And being physically attacked for being a scab is the price for not striking.
Comment by MAF54
Sorry, not a coherent meaningful naswer, nor is it funny. There was nothing in what I said that hinted at attacking you for exercising your rights. If you have no real reply, then you have no real argument for what you say.
Maybe it’s simply time to turn over a new page.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:30 pm#108: You will be crushed along with tyranny! Mao, Stalin, Lenin and Pol Pot would be proud of you, my friend.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
When the government stops honoring the will of the people the people should revolt.
The First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
General Strike is allowed in the 1st Amendment
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:30 pm#116: My dear Zooey and the other lovely, although oh-so-misguided, liberals. Please take notice of posts #108 and #116. You really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:31 pm#117: No, but that’s what’s going to happen if I or many people I know go to work when the unions and other anti-democratic organizations have decided to declare a general strike.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:32 pm#97: “You can’t really be surprised by this… He told us what he was gonna do…”
Yeah, not to mention this:
We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.
There you have it. Der Shrubbenfuhrer and Big Time Dick are creating their own reality…which applies to them and them alone.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:33 pmAnd now, the precedent has been set for the next democratic president to do the exact same thing. How galling will it be to these “conservatives” after the next election, and their attempts to gain insight into the future admin’s handling of secret material are met with the same straight-arm tactics? Get ready for an avalanche of “But Bush was the first to do it, so how can you so-called ‘conservatives’ complain?” — and truckloads of “STFU.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:33 pmHey MAF54,
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:33 pmZooey would be afforded the second slot for lever pulling. If she declined, then it goes to the next.
MAAF54, no one here respects you. We would sooned slit your throat than continue to have to read your shit.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:34 pmTories fought for King George then, and they’ll fight for King George now.
You really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007
Says the guy who associates himself with a pedophile.
Got irony?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:34 pm#116: My dear Zooey and the other lovely, although oh-so-misguided, liberals. Please take notice of posts #108 and #116. You really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?
Comment by MAF54
There’s nothing fanatical about what #108 says. No threats were made. Clearly the person posting that is frustrated beyond words w/ the rampant insanity of BruschCoâ„¢.
As far as #116, you’re right. It’s over the top, just like at least 4200 of the 4300 plus postings over at the Conservatives/Talk radio thread from a couple of days ago. The rest of us aren’t responsible for what a few posters say here, nor does one individual represent all of us.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:35 pm#123: Ah. I see. I should have written hothead, homicidal fanatics…
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:35 pm#127: I do no such thing. Show me where I’ve said such a thing.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:36 pmWe would sooned slit your throat than continue to have to read your shit.
Comment by Wretched Refuse
This is a little over the top, too.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:36 pmAh yes. And being physically attacked for being a scab is the price for not striking.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
So, show me the law that forces me to go to work like a good slave…
The MAJORITY wants resolve YESTERDAY
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:37 pmJust a thought, if Bruschâ„¢ is not part of the Executive branch, then why does he make Executive Orders?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:37 pmI have no problem killing neo-cons. I have desensitized myself over the last 6 years to their even being human. I have NO compunction to kill them. MAF included.
Remember, BRING IT ON!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:38 pm#116: My dear Zooey and the other lovely, although oh-so-misguided, liberals. Please take notice of posts #108 and #116. You really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
I’ll return the favor of your honesty in your earlier comment: Not really. While it’s human to want revenge (and I’ll admit that I have thought that Cheney deserves the same torture tactics that he so readily dismisses as torture), I prefer to be a law-abiding citizen (also something that Cheney so readily dismisses.) As I have said before, I only regularly break two laws, one of which is exceeding the speed limit on the highway.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:39 pmTHERE ARE NO LAWS ANYMORE.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:40 pmDON’T YOU ALL GET IT!!!????
“This is a little over the top, too.”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
Yeah, just a tad. (”What’s a tad? In space terms, about a million miles.” “Airplane” fans?)
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:41 pm“He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:42 pm“No need for you plebs to get involved.”
“You” plebs? What are you, then?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:42 pmAs I have said before, I only regularly break two laws, one of which is exceeding the speed limit on the highway.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Since you phrased it this way, I gotta ask, Jane… what’s the other one?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:43 pm“You†plebs? What are you, then?
Comment by Bernard Quatermass
Righto, Bernardo… just out of curiosity, what social status does MAF54 assign himself? This otter be good, and rather self-serving.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:44 pmRecommendation:
MAF54 believes that it’s wrong to oppose the policies of this government, and even worse to do something about it. He’s entitled to his opinion. But it’s just stupid and requires no “refutation”…so save your typing fingers for responding to the actual post…and not the troll.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmFunny, I never promoted violence. In many posts I have been determined to post the last remaining non violent option of the people…
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
Basically, this means those who want to participate, simply stay home and cease doing any business at all.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmIf there is no resolve then GENERAL STRIKES combined with marches and protests begin.
If none of that works there will be an open revolt.
That is the order of things! You want your free speech zones don’t you?
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
R.I.P.
Born: July 4, 1776
Died: December 12, 2000*
* Bush v. Gore, United States Supreme Court case decision December 12, 2000
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:49 pmTHERE ARE NO LAWS ANYMORE.
DON’T YOU ALL GET IT!!!????
Comment by Wretched Refuse
This is taking us onto shakiy ground, Wretched. I’m totally w/ you in your rage here. This kind of gets at waht’s so wrong w/ BruschCoâ„¢, though, and shows where this sort of thing drags us all if we’re not careful.
The problem w/ Gitmo was that we “libruls” wanted to mollycoddle the “terraists”, it was that by resorting to torture, we had become as bad as the peopel we were fighting. We were no longer pulling the world up to a higher standard, we had sunk down to their level.
If we do not hold OURSELVES to certain standards, then we are no longer the people we claim and want to be.
I feel the same when I read some of these hyper-vitriolic statements here. Don’t get me wrong, i say some awfully sharp, nasty things here, but if you start talking mob violence, we’ve lost, because we become JUST LIKE THEM.
I totally agree w/ your rage, BTW.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:49 pmYep, if the highest office in the land is not bound by any of the laws of said land then it is a full blown DICTATORSHIP. Now watch the Congress do nothing. So, now you know what is at stake. The will of the People is the Law of the land!
TIME TO STRIKE
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:54 pm“Since you phrased it this way, I gotta ask, Jane… what’s the other one?”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Oh, I’m still enjoying a recreational habit from my youth.;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 pmeven worse to do something about it. He’s entitled to his opinion
It would be worse to do anything on a grassroot level because that really doesn’t matter – at least until just about the elections. Strike, and you will be either ignored by the federal government, or you will be brought to your knees like when Reagan dealt with the air traffic controllers. You can’t win by fighting, and there’s no point in trying.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 pmOkay, that’s it. Bush issued an executive order, and exempted himself from it. That is indisputably a violation of his oath of office to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and to execute his office.
It’s time. Enough games. Impeach him and Cheney!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:58 pmOh, I’m still enjoying a recreational habit from my youth.;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Ah yes, I thought so… (snicker**snicker**)…
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:58 pmYou can’t win by fighting, and there’s no point in trying.
Comment by BottomBoy
Oh God, you again… aren’t you and MAF54 due to molest a helpless child on another thread, somewhere far far away?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:00 pmOh, I’m still enjoying a recreational habit from my youth.;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
You like to roller skate too? I didn’t know it was illegal. ; )
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:02 pmWrite Nancy Pelosi and tell her what you think. Do it today and do it often. It is part of my morning ritual.
http://speaker.gov/contact/
Comment by katie — June 23, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Thanks for the link, katie. I sent her am e-mail a few minutes ago and I posted it on my blog.
And thanks for practicing good citizenship.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:02 pmComment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
So, according to your post you took the Star Trek Next Generation approach and made the claim of the Borg that, “Resistance is Futile!”
So, why bother? Hark; you are another agent of FUD for the Dictator. You will also be crushed along with tyranny!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:03 pmYou can’t win by fighting, and there’s no point in trying.
Comment by BottomBoy
So, you are advocating that we should allow the United States to become a dictatorship and do nothing but sit and home and watch it happen?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:03 pm“Ah yes, I thought so… (snicker**snicker**)…”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Well, I don’t really drink anymore, and, in these dark times, one needs a little escape, right? :D (Besides, I still have a few brain cells left undamaged!)
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:04 pmKafka on the Potomac! Bush is really the “über-president”.
Need a sign the WH:
“Closed for full renovation. Come back soon.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:04 pmSo what have Dick and the Shrub reclassified themselves to, the F.U. branch?
Perhaps this is the dictator’s way of pushing back against the congressional oversight and just seeing how far he can take this. The importance of this constitutional showdown should not be under emphasized.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:05 pm“You like to roller skate too? I didn’t know it was illegal. ; )”
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 23, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Is that what the kids are calling it these days? ;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:06 pm#153: Yes. Unless you want to die for your cause, which, of course, is commendable. There are big wheels turning right now and there’s no going back to the pre-9/11 world. Democracy as we know it will never be the same.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:06 pmfreedomrings,
I’m not up on all my internet abbreviations for blogging. What does “FUD” mean? I’ve seen you use it numerous time, and while I am usually good at puzzling them out, this one has me stumped. Thanks.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:06 pmBottomBoy -
No need to be so pessimistic. Gandhi expelled the British Empire from his country through non-violent resistance. The Czech ultimately did a pretty good job against the communists. We can rid ourselves of our tyrants…might not be easy or quick. But tyrants ultimately lose support, and then just lose.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:07 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — June 23, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
He is suggesting that we don’t protest, strike, march or revolt since he is an agent of the dictator. He wants us to believe that we have lost and that resistance is foolish. He wants us to accept our fate and live as slaves!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmCan’t win by fighting????? The British had the best army in the world, an essentially invincible fleet, and every other advantage other than colonists who had had enough and wanted to fight, WIN OR LOSE. I wish our goddamn congress would remember that.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:09 pm#153: Yes. Unless you want to die for your cause, which, of course, is commendable. There are big wheels turning right now and there’s no going back to the pre-9/11 world. Democracy as we know it will never be the same.
Comment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
And you are okay with this or are you mad as hell? Or is it that you gave up a long itme ago and are along for the ride? I mean are you really okay with advocating what you clearly see is going on or do you think that you will be one of the special ones that doesn’t get treated like every other citizen? Or do you plan on taking up arms against your fellow Americans for stopping what you have admitted is going on?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:11 pm“Closed for full renovation. Come back soon.â€
Comment by El Tonno
Right… this crowd is so F*&kin’ dumb they’ll probably try,
a) Changing the locks…
b) Painting the place a different color…
c) Changing the numbers in the address…
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:12 pmFUD = FEAR UNCERTAINTY & DOUBT
You can’t do that you will be killed! = FUD
That is just as wrong as their side so don’t even think it. = FUD
The jack boots are here just surrender! = FUD
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:13 pmWhat does “FUD†mean?
Fear Uncertanty and Doubt.
It is used a lot in the technology industry. As a PR person it is my job to spread FUD about my compettitors products.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:13 pmThere are big wheels turning right now and there’s no going back to the pre-9/11 world. Democracy as we know it will never be the same.
Comment by BottomBoy
And what will be your reward for helping this all come about? 72 virgins?
So many frightened little boys, so little time…
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:14 pmbe brought to your knees like when Reagan dealt with the air traffic
TRAITOR Reagan is DEAD. And in hell for his TREASON…
When TRAITOR Bush’s time comes, he will join TRAITOR Ronnie…
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:15 pmWell, I don’t really drink anymore, and, in these dark times, one needs a little escape, right? :D (Besides, I still have a few brain cells left undamaged!)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Well, what can I say, other than, been there, tried that, and tried it again, and again… and I’m just going to have to give as many tries as it takes… ;-)…
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:16 pmMAF54 & BottomBoy are agents spreading FUD in an attempt to break the unity of the people against the tyranny that they are part of. If you set out to do something there is always some Doubting Thomas hanging around. These agents are more sophisticated then that though. They create doubt in our minds if we allow them to and are actual traitors to the People. In an open revolt they would be weeded out and killed since they are agents of tyranny. Here we are considering peaceful protest by GENERAL STRIKE and according to these 2 agents we are defeated before we even start………….
Ahahahahahahhahahhahahahahhaah
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:21 pmGENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
Section 3.5 (b) of the Executive Order seems to equate the President and the Vice President with “other entities in the Executive Branch.” How could they be “other entities” if the Vice President and his staff weren’t entities themselves?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:26 pmGENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
Pathetic. This is for the Congerss to handle. What you’re advocating is fundamentally anti-democratic.
Comment by MAF54
Idiot. General Strikes brought you DEMOCRACY. Learn History.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:27 pmBush has a believable excuse ready for his impeachment hearings – he can claim that he didn’t understand that the president was part of the executive branch and the American people will believe him!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:30 pmA noted Cuban revolutionary, whose face is found on tee-shirts everywhere but whose ideology it is not necessary to share, wrote a book on how a people confront and defeat overwhelming power. Everyone offended by what is happening, think hard about what YOU are prepared to do, and who you can trust absolutely to help. No one is going to stand out and give us a place to gather and rally. I doubt even the generals at this point.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 pmThe British had the best army in the world, an essentially invincible fleet, and every other advantage other than colonists who had had enough and wanted to fight, WIN OR LOSE. I wish our goddamn congress would remember that.
Comment by marlow
Maybe you should call the French again and make Haiti being more important in trade than the 13 colonies.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 pm#170: I bet you are the guy in your union meeting who shouts down people with opposing viewpoints and threatens them when they’re leaving.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 pmA noted Cuban revolutionary, whose face is found on tee-shirts everywhere but whose ideology it is not necessary to share, wrote a book on how a people confront and defeat overwhelming power.
Comment by marlow
He was from Rosario, Argentina.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:32 pmI bet you are the guy in your union meeting who shouts down people with opposing viewpoints and threatens them when they’re leaving.
Comment by MAF54
they are no more unions here. The ones that we have are corrupted. I live in a 3rd World Country. But thanks for the input.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:33 pmBlow it out your fascist ass you treasonous little twat. — as an earlier poster stated, when the revolution comes — you’ll have your choice of a hemp or nylon necktie — it’s the only courtesy your ilk will be afforded.
Comment by krazeeinjun
I like your style sir. It’s about time we started playing by the rules that the Republicans have been using. Playing “nice” is off the table.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:34 pmYou really want to associate with hothead fanatics like these?
Comment by MAF54
In a word, YES. Thanks for asking.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:36 pmYou’re right, I believe, #177, I can’t believe I made that mistake. Apologies.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:36 pmComment by Juan C — June 23, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
People disagree with me about all sorts of things. Here I am suggesting that the majority of us are acting like pussies, me included! ‘Doubting Thomas’es†like these picked the Dictator as salvation. They choose to support a “man†and have no true “faithâ€. Even if I disagree with 1000 people here the reality is that I am a member of the MAJORITY and don’t dig DICK Tators!
A GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE would be a great first step to unify the MAJORITY in peaceful protest and by cutting off funding (we don’t conduct business) to the DICTATOR and his war!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:37 pmThank you freedomrings and Spudge_Boy. I learned something today. That makes it a good day. :)
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:38 pmThe founders would have been considered “hothead fanatics” by the Tories who opposed them.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:38 pmOk, so it’s not officially on the the table #180, but don’t you think that militant union members might fall under certain legislation we have in this country. So pick your friends carefully…
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:39 pmwe are all wearing the Blue Dress Now….
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:39 pmApologies.
Comment by marlow
For what? :)
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:41 pmIt would be worse to do anything on a grassroot level because that really doesn’t matter – at least until just about the elections. Strike, and you will be either ignored by the federal government, or you will be brought to your knees like when Reagan dealt with the air traffic controllers. You can’t win by fighting, and there’s no point in trying.
Comment by BottomBoy
No your type would prefer to keep the masses down and your leaders ruling indefinitely. Your opinion is just self serving crap.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:43 pmPeaceful protest depends on a significant measure of decency on the part of the entities being protested. Ghandi’s tactics depended, rightfully, on such decency, not without its failings, on the part of the British. Imagine a “peaceful protest” against Hitler’s regime and that is the way it will be here.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:44 pmAlthough it doesn’t specifically say so, Bush’s order was not meant to apply to the vice president’s office or the president’s office, a White House spokesman said.
You know, if was never meant to apply to Bush and Cheney, then it should have said so. Otherwise it’s just another “goddamned piece of paper.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:46 pm#170: I bet you are the guy in your union meeting who shouts down people with opposing viewpoints and threatens them when they’re leaving.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
What UNIONs your leader destroyed them all! Wait, till you see what happens when people exercise their Constitutional Rights! The majority has clearly spoken. We want the war stopped, the patriot acts repealed and Bush&Co IMPEACHED. Congress seems to be on another agenda so according to the Constitution & The DoI The People can and should now directly deal with this! All of these blood suckers will bathe in Tar & Feathers before they are exercised from our buildings! Maybe you will join them?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:46 pm#176: I bet you are the guy in your gated community who goes out at night to find schizophrenic people to urinate on while you are on your cell phone “making a killer deal.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:46 pm#170: I bet you are the guy in your union meeting who shouts down people with opposing viewpoints and threatens them when they’re leaving.
Comment by MAF54
You mean like the 4300 plus posts from the other night on the con talk show thread?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:47 pmNow that you’re in a hetrosexual marriage, you can “roller skate” to your heart’s content. In fact, “roller skating” in such a relationship is not only legal, it is expected.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:47 pmNo your type would prefer to keep the masses down and your leaders ruling indefinitely.
I’ll never accept a mob rule, meaning unfettered access of “the masses” to the decision making progress, but a qualified democrat is not a problem for me.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:48 pmBottombuy,
I have a simple question. Does anyone in your administration, especially at the higher-up levels, believe that you (all) are there to serve the people, or do all of you believe that you are there to serve the president?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:48 pmI see Zooey managed to post something (ex116) that upset the power of TP.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:49 pm#191: “We want the war stopped, the patriot acts repealed and Bush&Co IMPEACHED.”
Then vote for candidates that, if elected, will do just that. Don’t complain if the will of the people is not the same as your will. That’s un-democratic and un-American!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:49 pmNot to throw an outfield monkeywrench into an otherwise imbecilic Bush-ism, but isn’t the President THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the government????
Perhaps he’s just a branch without the executive part of it?? Perhaps that’s why some more intelligent posters have been calling him “The Shrub”?? Is it the Shrub in Chief or the Shrub in Chef??
He’s planning to do a primo “bait & switch” on the american people….who me?? President??? Surely you’ve mistaken me for Alfred E. Newman?? Or perhaps it was just some passing Shrub??
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmIt is time. It is time for real Americans to demand our leaders throw these thugs from office and hang them from the highest tree. There is no more reason to allow this to go on.
Nixon would be very jealous.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:51 pm#196: We serve this country. We shoulder the responsibility for not only our own existence, but our country’s, and the world’s as well. Some of us believe that we should look to another form of government, and we have taken control of that belief. So, in that respect, we view ourselves as extraordinary men with a destiny.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmOr maybe he’s Chef Boy Ar ‘douche??
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:52 pmA GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE would be a great first step to unify the MAJORITY in peaceful protest and by cutting off funding (we don’t conduct business) to the DICTATOR and his war!
Comment by freedomrings
I agree with you. I remember 3 million French went out to the streets about a year ago to fight a labor law against students. Thats called the strength of people.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:53 pmWe shoulder the responsibility for not only our own existence, but our country’s, and the world’s as well.
Comment by BottomBoy
Iraqi civilians are in that picture of responsibility?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 pmPeaceful protest depends on a significant measure of decency on the part of the entities being protested. Ghandi’s(SIC) tactics depended, rightfully, on such decency, not without its failings, on the part of the British. Imagine a “peaceful protest†against Hitler’s regime and that is the way it will be here.
Comment by marlow — June 23, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Keep something in mind Gandhi was a pacifist and more than that was not an American. A General Strike is just one step the nation needs to take. Odds are that the Dictator will meet the threat with Martial Law. I doubt that you will like that but it is a possibility. The American thing to do at that point is to meet violence with violence. The Jack Boots want to kick in your doors and go through your property. It is preferable to live but it is better to die free than to suck ass!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 pm#203: It’s also called undemocratic. Don’t you agree: we elect our representatives in the elections and they make the laws. Unions with all their strikes and other harassment tactics are out there subverting the democratic process.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:55 pm#201. I hear you shit for brians Bottom Dweller.
You will be hung with those you defend and apologize for. You don’t like this country, then you will be deported to the black holes you defend the right of the crime family to use. Shut your face, for you are an accomplice to treason.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:56 pm#204: As I said: “OUR own existence”. Our own people come first.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:56 pmNow that you’re in a hetrosexual marriage, you can “roller skate†to your heart’s content. In fact, “roller skating†in such a relationship is not only legal, it is expected.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
Oops, sorry, Bris, the “roller skating” that we’re referring to has nothing to do with being married! ;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:56 pm#207: Ah yes. Another brave militant progressive. What a posterboy you are for your cause.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:57 pmAgree completely, #205
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:58 pm“I see Zooey managed to post something (ex116) that upset the power of TP.”
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Why am I not surprised? :-D Whadja do this time, Zookeeper?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:58 pmMy cold, dead hands.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:58 pmKeep something in mind Gandhi was a pacifist and more than that was not an American.
I wonder how well Gandhi would have done against the current terrorist threat? “Oh, you’re just going to sit there. Passive resistance? We’ll just take over then, thank you very much, and kill everyone who opposes us”.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:59 pmUnions with all their strikes and other harassment tactics are out there subverting the democratic process.
Comment by MAF54
Ya think? Now, when child labor was approved by all owners and the Unions were making strikes to ban that, to raise income and to give you 8 hours/day journal, that was also undemocratic? How long we forget all the brave people that gave us all our rights.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:00 pmAs I said: “OUR own existenceâ€. Our own people come first.
Comment by BottomBoy
Why Im not surprised? Remember 9/11? It is called Karma.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:01 pmOk, so it’s not officially on the the table #180, but don’t you think that militant union members might fall under certain legislation we have in this country. So pick your friends carefully…
Comment by BottomBoy
Why the “veiled” threat. Why don’t you say what you mean. Which “certain legislation” are you referring to?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:03 pmYou have got to be shitting me! If what you are saying is true, then every one of you needs to be removed from power. It is not up to you to “look to another form of government”, and it is certainly not within your constitutional authority to “[take] control of that belief.”
Perhaps all of you need to be reminded that it is the role of the Legislative branch, not the Executive branch, to decide how our giovernment will operate. Congress can leave certain details up to the president to decide, but the president’s role is NOT to supplant the Congress.
I strongly suggest that you take out your pocket constitution and read it over once again. Or for the first time, as appears to be the case.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
That means the Executive (and Judicial branches), as well, including you and the Office of the President.
But thanks for answering my question.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:04 pmSorry for the typo on my html tags. Comment #218 was directed at BottomBoy’s reply to me in #201.
I will try to be more careful next time.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:05 pm#217: I’ve posted no threats – just facts.
#216: Don’t tell me that as a logical progressive you actually believe in an irrational superstition such as karma?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:06 pmThen vote for candidates that, if elected, will do just that. Don’t complain if the will of the people is not the same as your will. That’s un-democratic and un-American!
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
The elections appear to be fixed and they use devices to cast votes that are the product of the Plutocracy! The will of the MAJORITY is to IMPEACH Bush 43 and his minions! Impeachment is American and more democratic than you and your FUD! If it should come to an open revolt you will be found out for exactly what you are and that sort of open betrayal of the will of the people would cause you to be viewed as a traitor.
Your King said, “You are with US or you are with the terrorists!†Who are the terrorists and who are “US� Talk that one over with your KING. Talk to him about the fact that 1/3rd of the nation believes that “The 9-11 Commission Report†is a fraud! Who are you with? You’re not with US and so are you calling me a terrorist?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:06 pmIf We the People initiate a
Bush will declare MARTIAL LAW and shut
down that GENERAL STRIKE in 48hours.
Turn off the Power Plants…
No Electricity
No T.V.
No Radio
No Newspapers
No Internet
No ATM’S
No Gas for your Cars……or Transport Trucks…
No More Food in the Stores…..
Total CHAOS!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:06 pmthen comes
ORDO AB CHAO
#221: Ah yes. If you can’t win elections, they must be fixed. Tin-foil hat time.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:07 pmI wonder how well Gandhi would have done against the current terrorist threat?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:07 pmComment by MAF54
Specifically name date and hour when you were personally threatened by a terrorist.
Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill:
Following Vice President Dick Cheney’s assertion that his office is not a part of the executive branch of the US government, Democratic Caucus Chairman Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) plans to introduce an amendment to the the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations bill to cut funding for Cheney’s office.
The amendment to the bill that sets the funding for the executive branch will be considered next week in the House of Representatives.
“The Vice President has a choice to make. If he believes his legal case, his office has no business being funded as part of the executive branch,” said Emanuel in a statement released to RAW STORY. “However, if he demands executive branch funding he cannot ignore executive branch rules. At the very least, the Vice President should be consistent. This amendment will ensure that the Vice President’s funding is consistent with his legal arguments.”
At a press briefing yesterday, White House Deputy Press Secretary Dana Perino said that Cheney’s assertion that he operates outside of the executive branch of government was “an interesting constitutional question that people can debate” and a “non-issue.”
On Thursday, Emanuel suggested that if Cheney feels his office is not part of the executive branch “he should return the salary the American taxpayers have been paying him since January 2001, and move out of the home for which they are footing the bill.”
New 4 Branches of Government:
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmLegislative Executive Judicial Dick Cheney
Like I said last night, these are now the Exemptutive Branches of gummint. The Vice Emperor’s office is also separate from the Chymperor’s.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmDon’t tell me that as a logical progressive you actually believe in an irrational superstition such as karma?
Comment by BottomBoy
Superstition? You have been supporting terrorist groups before the CIA was born. Why makes you think it wasnt going to backfire sometime? Come on.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmPeaceful protest depends on a significant measure of decency on the part of the entities being protested. Ghandi’s tactics depended, rightfully, on such decency, not without its failings, on the part of the British. Imagine a “peaceful protest†against Hitler’s regime and that is the way it will be here.
Comment by marlow
Sooner or later the people of this country will have had enough. And the protest will be what it will be. There are always people brave enough to stand up for what’s right. There will be this time too.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:09 pmHave to run. Pissed girlfriend. :{
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:10 pmI bet you are the guy in your union meeting who shouts down people with opposing viewpoints and threatens them when they’re leaving.
Comment by MAF54
I guess you haven’t noticed that you’re the guy here threatening people with opposing viewpoints.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:12 pm#18 ~ I am proudly # 899397
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:14 pm#221: Ah yes. If you can’t win elections, they must be fixed. Tin-foil hat time. Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Say the wingnuts whining about “registration-fraud”. Pure projection, as usual, poor st*pid little f*cker.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:17 pmI see Zooey managed to post something (ex116) that upset the power of TP.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Did it get deleted?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:18 pmI see Zooey managed to post something (ex116) that upset the power of TP.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
No, MAF54 seems to think I’m a “krazeeinjun.”
TP did delete my response to him, so I guess I did piss off the power of TP, afterall.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:18 pmSome of us believe that we should look to another form of government, and we have taken control of that belief. So, in that respect, we view ourselves as extraordinary men with a destiny.
Comment by BottomBoy
And what “form of government” are you advocating, tyranny?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:20 pmAbsolutely, #228. But no one will hand us the time, place, and materials. It’s entirely up to us as individuals who still love our nation. Unity under a larger authority may come at some point. In the meantime we will have to decide for ourselves on a one-to-one basis what we are prepared to do for our country. I would suggest that any individual or agency that attempts to enforce the powers of these criminals are de facto illegitimate and may be opposed by any means necessary.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:20 pmMAF54 & BottomBoy forget that the “People†no longer TRUST Bush or Congress. Trust is important! Pretend for a moment that the once silent majority “trusted me†and determined that while we didn’t agree on everything there was no dispute that the Citizenry was DONE with tyranny. If people were put into leadership roles those leaders have to be trustworthy. The current leader has betrayed the will of the people. He should simply step down but instead he has drawn a line and dared anyone to cross it. Now Congress is hamstrung!
You 2 have plenty to fear! Setting everything back to order will be messy. If seen as part of that mess you will be swept away as the garbage that you are. How dare you suggest that we can’t do something. When the people strike you will see how vast support for law and order is! The President is not above the law so it looks to the majority of us that we have a DICTATOR!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:21 pmThe Jack Boots want to kick in your doors and go through your property. It is preferable to live but it is better to die free than to suck ass!
Comment by freedomrings
And never have the people been as heavily armed as they are in this country today.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:23 pm#234: Sorry to hear about that, dear. You can always mail your comments to me at matthews.frank@gmail.com.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:23 pmPresident Bush claims he’s exempt from security oversight as well.
Saturday June 23, 2007
“The White House said Friday that, like Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, President Bush’s office is exempt from a presidential order requiring government agencies that handle classified national security information to submit to oversight by an independent federal watchdog,”
“The executive order that Bush issued in March 2003 covers all government agencies that are part of the executive branch and, although it doesn’t specifically say so, was not meant to apply to the vice president’s office or the president’s office, a White House spokesman said.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:25 pmIf We The People thought what the
Bush Crime Family pulled off on 911
Was bad…..
“You Ain’t Seen Nothing yet !â€
The Curtain hasn’t Fallen;
The Drama has Just Begun….
War, children, it’s just a shot away
It’s just a shot away
It’s just a shot away
It’s just a shot away
It’s just a shot away
Novus Ordo Seclorum
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:27 pmReport: IAF preparing for Iran strike
Jerusalem Post
Saturday June 23, 2007
The Israeli Air Force (IAF) has been training on long-range flights, including refueling in mid-flight, in preparation for potential strikes against Iranian nuclear targets.
The training program has been taking place for some time but has only been released for publication Friday, the Ma’ariv daily reported.
Intelligence assessments received by the defense establishment concur that once Iran passes the point of no return in its nuclear efforts, the entire Middle East will enter a frantic nuclear armament race. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are expected to take the lead should such a scenario become reality.
At the end of 2007 the US and Israel are expected to hold a joint assessment to ascertain the influence of economic sanctions against Iran.
A new package of upgraded sanctions prepared jointly by Israel and the US, includes exerting pressure on European governments to cancel US $22 billion in loan guarantees given annually to European companies trading with Iran.
The new package also includes sanctions against banks working with Iran, non-renewal of oil infrastructure in Iran and a long series of economic actions that are meant to seriously hurt the Iranian economy.
Following the end-of-year assessment, Washington will decide how to move forward in the struggle against Iran’s nuclear race.
Members of the international community – the US and Israel leading – are convinced that Iran’s race to enrich uranium is aimed at producing nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic, on its side, insists it is looking for energy sources that would be an alternative to fossil fuels.
Iran has so far remained defiant in face of the demands voiced by the international community that it make its nuclear program transparent to UN-mandated monitoring.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:27 pm#196: We serve this country. We shoulder the responsibility for not only our own existence, but our country’s, and the world’s as well. Some of us believe that we should look to another form of government, and we have taken control of that belief. So, in that respect, we view ourselves as extraordinary men with a destiny.
Comment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
This is BottomBoys admission of treason.
You will see that he skipped over my post to him when we were in the middle of conversation when I saked him if he was okay with our country being taken over by a dictator.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:28 pmWhat did you say you cute little radical you … oops … I had baby animals on the brain again.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:30 pmThis is BottomBoys admission of treason.
You will see that he skipped over my post to him when we were in the middle of conversation when I saked him if he was okay with our country being taken over by a dictator.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Yes it is treason. How dare they?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe New World Order Tracking Device: RFID
Mick Meaney
RINF Alternative News
Saturday June 23, 2007
The Bermuda Government are issuing vehicle owners with credit card sized stickers containing a RFID chip and it is expected that every vehicle in Bermuda will carry one within a year or two.
The scheme is mandatory and a $10,000 penalty applies if owners remove the chips.
The first country to back the system was Singapore, well known for its lack of human rights.
RFID readers are being placed in telephone poles and buildings throughout Bermuda, which enable authorities to monitor the past and present location of vehicles and record the speed at which they are travelling.
The information is being sent to high speed computers that calculate everything you could possibly imagine about a travellers journey, even the route taken.
The chip system is the perfect method for keeping close track of citizens, a dictator’s dream,†said concerned citizen Mr. Crombie.
Similar RFID systems are being used in New York and London, which has reduced traffic and cut business profits by 40%.
The use of RFID chips are increasing around the world at an astonishing rate, with continuous promotion from New World Order heavyweights including the Bush Administration and also from the VeriChip Corp, who manufacture human implantable chips and have been pushing for RFID chips to be tested on the U.S. military.
We have already seen the use of RFID being used in unethical ways that not only strip away personal privacy but also personal freedoms, removing the right to refuse the chips.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:33 pm#245: We dare because it has to be done for us to survive.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:37 pm“I had baby animals on the brain again.”
Comment by shane — June 23, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
I just took a “play with the kittens” break a few minutes ago. :-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:37 pmRFID implants for “guest†workers?
Recently, Mayor Mike Bloomberg proposed a massive biometric database for every worker in the U.S.
In a perhaps unrelated story, VeriChip Corporation has proposed RFID implants for “guest†workers: “Makers of VeriChip have been planning for this day. They’ve lost millions of dollars trying to sell their invasive product to North America, and now they see an opportunity in the desperation of the people of Latin America,†[Katherine Albrecht, author of “Spychips: How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track your Every Move with RFIDâ€] observes.
VeriChip’s [Chairman Scott Silverman] bandied about the idea of chipping foreigners on national television Tuesday, emboldened by the Bush Administration call to know “who is in our country and why they are here.†He told Fox & Friends that the VeriChip could be used to register guest workers, verify their identities as they cross the border, and “be used for enforcement purposes at the employer level.†He added, “We have talked to many people in Washington about using it….†Note that the former head of HHS, Tommy Thompson, sits on Verichip’s board. He’s apparently said he was going to “get chippedâ€, but has so far refused to follow through.
And, it’s not just purported Americans proposing this, but also Alfaro Uribe, the president of Colombia:…according to Sen. Arlen Specter, (R-Pa.) who said in a speech before Congress (PDF) that “President Uribe said he would consider having Colombian workers have microchips implanted into their bodies before they are permitted to enter the United States to work on a seasonal basis.â€
And if you think that’s going to work, consider what Specter thought of the idea. “I doubted whether the implantation of microchips would be effective since the immigrant worker might be able to remove them,†he said. It’s not like he’s opposed to them on principle, he just doesn’t think they’d work. If something were developed that would be assured of working, have no doubt that a fine American such as Arlen Specter would support it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:38 pmThis is BottomBoys admission of treason.
You will see that he skipped over my post to him when we were in the middle of conversation when I saked him if he was okay with our country being taken over by a dictator.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 23, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Clearly these are agents (BottomBoy & MAF54) of disinformation and they will be weeded out when liberty is restored. The issue at hand is,â€Standing United Against Tyranny†and so far on this thread so good. We see agents of tyranny around us and unify since that is the Will of the People at work.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:40 pm#245: We dare because it has to be done for us to survive.
Comment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
See, flat out crazy and tresonous. And the righties attack me.
Oy.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:40 pm#234: Sorry to hear about that, dear. You can always mail your comments to me at matthews.frank@gmail.com.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
I always knew you were cruising. F*ck off, prick.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:40 pmI mentioned this on another thread….
What about a General Strike, other than a few days of pay what is there to loose?
Stay home and read a book or play with your kids!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:43 pmSo, in that respect, we view ourselves as extraordinary men with a destiny.
Comment by BottomBoy
Unfortuantely, the rest of us view you as common, garden variety fruitcakes… and we foresee… bars in your future, and not the kind where you hit on pages…
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:45 pm#250: Wedged out? Why don’t you just fall back to the language of your idols like Stalin and his favorite torturer Iron Felix and talk about liquidating your political opponents. Because that’s what you just meant in your post.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:45 pm#250: Wedged out? Why don’t you just fall back to the language of your idols like Stalin and his favorite torturer Iron Felix and talk about liquidating your political opponents. Because that’s what you just meant in your post.
Comment by M AF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
When our political opponents are talking about destroying our current form of democracy, then yes, we are talking about liquidating you.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:47 pm#256: yes, we are talking about liquidating you.
Glad to see that you’re at least honest about it. It’s not democratic, or very humane, but at least you are – as BottomBoy said above – taking control of your own beliefs and acting upon those beliefs even when they contradict well-established moral standards. Kudos for becoming a player!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:50 pmStalin and Iron Felix are idols of the Bush/Cheney regime. Who made the “joke” about things being easier if he were a dictator? What other president ever came close to making such a statement? Take your projections of totalitarianism and shove them up your ass.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 pmor do all of you believe that you are there to serve the president?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Wayne, they’re not there to serve the President, they’re there to SERVICE the President…
Indeed, a Tool of the State…
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 pm#256: “to SERVICE the President”. I’m sure Bill Clinton can appreciate that bit of wisdom.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:54 pm#256: yes, we are talking about liquidating you.
Glad to see that you’re at least honest about it. It’s not democratic, or very humane, but at least you are – as BottomBoy said above – taking control of your own beliefs and acting upon those beliefs even when they contradict well-established moral standards. Kudos for becoming a player!
Comment by M AF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
I love how you left the most important part of my statement off. And that would be:
“When our political opponents are talking about destroying our current form of democracy, then yes, we are talking about liquidating you.”
Then you said:
“even when they contradict well-established moral standards.”
I will fight to keep what IS ESTABLISHED. The democracy known as the Untied States of America. BottomBoy is advocating the destruction of this democracy and you are supporting him. That makes you no better than BottomBoy. Otherwise condem what he is saying here and now.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:54 pm#250: Wedged out? Why don’t you just fall back to the language of your idols like Stalin and his favorite torturer Iron Felix and talk about liquidating your political opponents. Because that’s what you just meant in your post.
Comment by M AF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
I said “weeded out†and what I stated clearly is that once you are discovered to be the minions of tyranny that you clearly are in real life you will be shot, hung, stabbed or any number of other mortal fates since sedition is about as bad as you can get. You openly support a DICTATORSHIP and that is SEDITION, TYRANNT and BETRAYAL. You are a Benedict Arnold of 2007! You aren’t a political opponent since the true politics of tyranny is FUD.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:55 pmStalin and Iron Felix are idols of the Bush/Cheney regime. Who made the “joke†about things being easier if he were a dictator? What other president ever came close to making such a statement? Take your projections of totalitarianism and shove them up your ass.
Comment by marlow — June 23, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
And never forget that he didn’t tell that “joke” once. He made that same “joke” THREE TIMES.
Bush said he wanted to be dictator 3 times.
In marketing, we call that branding. You say the same thing three times, that way people will remember it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:56 pmYou are a Benedict Arnold of 2007! You aren’t a political opponent
Oi! You go dude/dudette!
Embrace your hate and make us into what we’ve made all the enemy combatants into. Victory lies in drastic, often violent actions and when you’re done, you can always re-write the history.
You really are becoming a player.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:00 pm“Embrace your hate”
We don’t have to hate you or be angry to know you are a traitor that needs to be dealt with. We can be unphased and uncaring toward you.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:01 pmAnd never forget that he didn’t tell that “joke†once. He made that same “joke†THREE TIMES.
Bush said he wanted to be dictator 3 times.
In marketing, we call that branding. You say the same thing three times, that way people will remember it.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 23, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
And for those who would like to see the whole quotes, vist here:
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:02 pmhttp://www.dubyaspeak.com/search.phtml?nq=dictatorship&stype=all&em=
I always knew you were cruising. F*ck off, prick.
Awww. I just love you liberal chicks, you know.
Ok. I won’t post to you anymore so that I won’t be charged of harassment (you never know about these liberal sites). Good night and good luck.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:03 pm“Embrace your hateâ€
I’ve heard white supremacists say that. Word for word. And I don’t just mean Clayton Bigsby.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:04 pm#268: I don’t wonder about that. It’s a good advice for those who wish to effect a change. Hate is a powerful, focusing thing.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pmComment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Everybody look at this sig from post #43.
Comment by M AF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Now take a look at this one.
This is clear evidence that MAF54 is changing his screen name. He was either 1) banned or 2) is posting as multiple names. I am going to go with MAF54 is BottomBoy also.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pmOops. Looks like I had an additional white space in my name. Sorry about that.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:09 pmCarlyle Group Subsidiary Named “MATRICS” is Brimming with NSA and CIA Operatives and pushing a Swastika-Shaped RFID Chip
Great Picture Here:
http://www.none-o-your.biz/issues/rfid.html
And Here:
http://www.none-o-your.biz/issues/rfid.html
How will President George W. Bush personally make millions (if not billions) from the War on Terror and Iraq? The old fashioned way. He’ll inherit it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pmMeet The Carlyle Group
http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html
Oops. Looks like I had an additional white space in my name. Sorry about that.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Uh huh.
No problem BottomBoy….er M AF54
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pm#272: Well, ok. What’s your point? Designers of RFIDs are secretly nazis? Look, man, you’re starting to sound like those christian nuts we have to deal with. The kind who are afraid of the number 666 (and it’s alphanumerical representations) appearing anywhere. Pathetic superstition.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmOk. I’m going to out and enjoy a lovely steak dinner. I’ll be back later on.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmOi! You go dude/dudette!
Embrace your hate and make us into what we’ve made all the enemy combatants into. Victory lies in drastic, often violent actions and when you’re done, you can always re-write the history.
You really are becoming a player.
Comment by M AF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
No, that is not hate to shoot you or hang you if you are found to be a traitor or seditionist. It would be our duty to hang you, behead you, etc. if you were found guilty. See, here you are playing antagonist in an attempt to spin me as the hate monger. That is the craft of the tyrant or his minions to tell lies and make inaccurate statements over and over again.
You are an agent of tyranny spreading FUD. The basic problem that you can’t spin is that all three branches of the government no longer respond to the people or the will of the people. The People are then obligated to do whatever is necessary to restore the constitution or abolish the current government. That is found in both the DoI and the US Constitution!
Sadly, we are obligated and it may very well be necessary to abolish this government. Truth be written, the obligation falls squarely upon our shoulders since our elected officials are unable to rectify the situation. Now I’m not going to be a broken record and constantly repeat myself. You can consider yourself extremely privileged that I am even addressing you since you are clearly a minion of the tyranny that has besieged the world!
GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmComment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
They want to force people to have a chip implanted. IBM made all of the machines used for Hitler to process Jewish slaves in his murder hole death camps. We live in a Plutocracy and it will not withstand. You are part of that system of repression and control.
You want to see people tagged like animals! You want to see people marked by the Dictatorship. You want to see Christians who believe that such things are the mark of the beast forced to get just such a mark! You will be weeded out and dealt with harshly!
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pmOk. I’m going to out and enjoy a lovely steak dinner. I’ll be back later on.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Try to choke while you are at it…do something positive and die off this board. You do nothing positive for humanity and there are only 26% of you fools with no sense whatsoever. Unpatriotic trolls who contribute the same thing as a piss soked cigarette butt in the trough of a sports stadium.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pmEnjoy your lovely steak dinner, #275. And while you’re at it, thank those terrible liberals who created the food safety laws and regulations that will keep you from dying after doing so.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pmWho knew that everything I – and everyone else – learned in school was completely wrong? I hope somebody rewrites the text books.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmAgain, everyone outraged by this lawlessness and treachery, think about what you are prepared to do to restore this nation and keep it from the destruction these obvious tyrants have planned for it. Defending the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence is NOT “radical”, NOT “subversive”, NOT any other pejorative term the pod-people who want to convince you it is. At some point in the future these dirtbags will have to try to openly take what they want.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pmOk. I’m going to out and enjoy a lovely steak dinner. I’ll be back later on.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Yeah, you would leave, now that you have been busted posting under multiple screen names.
BottomBoy = MAF54
And the two screen names he is using are very telling.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmOK…
So it looks like the 2 guys are one guy and that regardless it was 100% FUD. It is good to have opposition but open promotion of FUD to derail practice of our 1st Amendment rights is sheer madness!
Any way people all differences and beliefs aside it should be clear that general strikes would be a positive step for us to make the government fear us as they should. What the government would fear is the resolve of the Citizens to enforce the Constitution themselves and send them all packing. There does not need to be bloodshed.
Bush would have trouble making an army against us of US citizens since the Army and NG are now off playing pirate of the desert. People I just paid $4.95 for one gallon of milk and I live in a dairy area.
Let’s talk about this!
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmOk. I’m going to out and enjoy a lovely steak dinner. I’ll be back later on.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
Yeah, you would leave, now that you have been busted posting under multiple screen names.
BottomBoy = MAF54
And the two screen names he is using are very telling.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Make that 3 names. Good chance he’s beefeater too.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:54 pmPeople I just paid $4.95 for one gallon of milk and I live in a dairy area.”
Comment by freedomrings — June 23, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
I think you’re going to have to start cow-tipping and milk them while they’re down! Jeez, I don’t buy milk (I’m allergic) I had no idea it was up so high. But I guess that makes me equal to Rudy, he has no idea what the price of milk is, either.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:58 pmComment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
The kids love cereal and milk in the morning. Only a few months ago milk was $2.75
We need to unify and generate resolve so that word can spread over the inter web before it is taken down. We need to set a date and time to hold a General Strike provided we can agree on even that.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmPart of the Executive branch? I’m not even sure Bruschâ„¢ is part of this solar system anymore.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:08 pmBut I guess that makes me equal to Rudy…
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Honey, in his wildest dreams, Rudy could never measure up to you. :)
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmoney, in his wildest dreams, Rudy could never measure up to you. :)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Trying to make up for some of those comments on the “Onion Rings” thread, huh?
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pm“The kids love cereal and milk in the morning. Only a few months ago milk was $2.75″
Comment by freedomrings — June 23, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
That’s a huge price hike – what could possibly be their excuse? I’m assuming that your local dairies are processing the milk locally and selling it locally, so it can’t be the price of gas!
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:15 pmTrying to make up for some of those comments on the “Onion Rings†thread, huh?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
It’s the results of the, you know (rolling pin, knot on the head, etc.)
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:16 pm“In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:19 pmComment by marlow — June 23, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
It was true then and it’s true today. Thanks for the Declaration Of Independence quote.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:30 pmNo problem, Wayne. Everyone, read it. It really clears things up. And remember what our forefathers gave to us.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:32 pmHow many people today, marlow, would be willing to pledge their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to bringing about the political change necessary to “throw off” our government? Sadly, probably not even as many as did in1776.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:37 pmBush is Sending a Clear Message to the People:
It’s OK for the executive to violate the law. And, it’s OK for the executive to insert political operatives into the judiciary.
My message to the Congress and the Judicial Branch:
If it’s OK to break the law, and politicize the judiciary, then the government has lost its legitimacy, and you can predict chaos in the streets of America. If chaos in the streets sounds uninviting, then Congress and the Judiciary need to reel in George Bush.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:40 pmWell, like I said a while back, there were Tories who fought for King George back then, and there will be Tories who fight for King George now. But I for one am ready to make that pledge (by posting on here I would assert that most of us already have), so I have to assume that in this nation of three-hundred million there are a few others. These scumbags at some point will have to drop their pants and attempt to assert their power on the population. This is what we need, AS INDIVIDUALS and small groups, to be ready for.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:53 pmRe: 296 Bush is Sending a Clear Message to the People:
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:00 pmAnd the message is world wide……
You Inferior Suckers Lost….
We Won…
We Control You….
There is No More God damn Piece of Paper……
The Constitution has been torn to shreds while you were more concerned about Paris, and American Idol..
The Internets are next!
Can I exempt myself from the list of those who are to pay taxes?
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:04 pmREV-O-LU-TION!!!
I’ll back a general strike or ANY mass demonstration of disgust. Waiting until 2009 won’t work – MAF54, you write letters and see how much change YOU can effect before it’s too late. (Probably zilch).
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:34 pmThese bitches need a vicious kick in the ass to get their attention.
We can henceforth deem these two hoodlums to be categorized as enemy combatants, and detain them in secret, and without trial, indefinitly.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:50 pm“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
— Thomas Jefferson
HEY GANG…..
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:55 pmTHE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED
HEY GANG…..
THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED
Comment by kevkev — June 23, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
But it will be on YouTube. :)
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:00 pm(… I have a solar battery charger for my video camera…….;)
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmWe can henceforth deem these two hoodlums to be categorized as enemy combatants, and detain them in secret, and without trial, indefinitly.
Comment by heyzeus
Does that mean we get to waterboard ‘em until we get some straight answers?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmIt’s the results of the, you know (rolling pin, knot on the head, etc.)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Hmmm… I thought so… perhaps we should dub Miss Althouse “Our Lady of the Onion Rings”…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:09 pmDoes that mean we get to waterboard ‘em until we get some straight answers?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Naw, they don’t even have any answers, they never did, they only have their perverse little fantasies of wealth and power.
My suggestion would be to put them at the bottom of a 1,000 foot drill shaft, and just say… piss on ‘em.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:18 pm“Hmmm… I thought so… perhaps we should dub Miss Althouse “Our Lady of the Onion Ringsâ€â€¦”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
I was going to say, just call her Miss Outhouse, but there’s actually a family in a nearby town named Outhouse. In fact, David Letterman had one of them, the head of that town’s Highway Department, on the phone on one of his shows. There’s also “Outhouse Orchards” (same family) which always struck me as funny.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmWhen the Revolution Comes
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmWe will not be able to go online….
The Internet will be gone….
and we’ll all be addicted to the Alli Diet Pill
sitting and sh—-pooping.
THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED
Rahm Immanuel has just said he’ll introduce legislation stripping Cheney’s office of funding, if he’s supposedly no longer in the executive branch. This is going to get interesting, as the Dems in the House can pass the bill with a simple majority (I believe) and Dead-eye Dick will be left funding his anti-democratic ways with “cake walks” and bake sales.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:27 pmComment by barfly — June 23, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Hey, barfly, you’re needed on the “Former FISA Court…” thread! ;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pmThanks Jane, I’ll check it out.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:32 pmSo you guys say you want a revolution?
Well, you know, we all want to change the world.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:41 pmWell, you know, we all want to change the world.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
I’d be happy if some people would just change their socks, especially if htey’re gonna keep taking off their shoes when they come by.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:43 pmThere’s also “Outhouse Orchards†(same family) which always struck me as funny.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Did you actually look at her picture w/ that article? Geez, she was kind of scary looking. And a virgin, no doubt.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:44 pmMy God, has it come to this? The President and the Vice President don’t consider themselves to be part of the executive branch of government?? If they are no longer part of the Republic, we should do away with this emperor and his sith lord by any means necessary. If the democratic congress doesn’t impeach and remove these sons of bitches, they will set the worst possible precedent for non accountability. Our democracy is being taken from us in front of our very eyes. We best do something. This is no longer about winning elections, this is about preserving all that is good in America. Take action now! Call, write, and email your elected representatives and demand accountability in the strongest possible terms. The call for impeachment must be renewed and reinvigorated.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:19 pmSo you guys say you want a revolution?
Well, you know, we all want to change the world.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 23, 2007 @ 7:41
John Lennon, is that you?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:36 pmOk. So throw his ass out of the White House if he’s not part of the Executive branch of our government.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:44 pmMaybe he’s just finally admitting that he and the rest of the repigs stole the election in 00, and in 04 and really isn’t the President, therefore he’s not part of the Executive branch.
Ok.
Works for me.
Throw the bum out.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 pmComment by dantheman — June 23, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Worse than the realization that the dictatorship was made official, TP members are simply apathetic chicken sh*ts who will not even try to stage a General Strike in the face of tyranny. Some of the posters suggest that exercising our 1st Amendment Right is over the top. Liberty lost and not a hint of rebellion spells slavery.
The 13th Amendment grants the state power to make slaves as punishment…
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Our crime will be “dissention†with living as subjects of an Autocrat. Slaves also lose the rest of their former Rights too.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 pmYou issue an order ordering the executive branch and them exempt the only two members of said branch… it defeats the purpose.
What it does is on the surface (To Fox News, and hell probably most all of news ) is that he did a GOOD thing. When, in fact, he didn’t.
And if it wasn’t for hard-working people like this investigating, we’d never know. Well Bushy, this is the age of the internet. WE KNOW.
Unfortunately, I’m sure 95% of the nation doesn’t know. And I’m sure of the rest most do, and are loyal and don’t care. Which is sickening.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:58 pmHere’s what I sent my Senators and my Representative in the House. Not to sound presumptuous, but if anyone wants to use it, please feel free:
Congressman/woman/Senator:
In light of recent developments in the Executive branch, whereby President Bush and Vice-President Cheney have knowingly and willfully ignored an executive order mandating the compliance of all executive agencies or entities with ISOO procedures, I write urging you to support the immediate impeachment of both Vice-President Cheney and President Bush.
Like you, these men swore to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. They also swore, not only to the American public, but to their forebears who held those offices, to faithfully execute the offices they occupied. Discounting countless examples of Constitutionally-questionable acts in the recent past, the fact that these men have consciously exempted themselves from the obligations of an executive order represents, at a minimum, a failure to execute the offices they hold. They have therefore violated their oath of office, which historically has been classified under the rubric of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” You know as well as I do that this administration cloaks a shadow governnment of secrecy behind patriotic appeals to national security. In the process, they have worked deliberately to erode the fundamental rule of law in the United States, toppling 230 years of legal precedent.
To English conservative Edmund Burke is attributed the following: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” This republic stands at a crossroads between liberty and incipient tyranny, and good men must stand for liberty. How can we face our children, our grandchildren, if we fail them in this urgent business? I urge you to appeal to Senator Reid, Speaker Pelosi, and your colleagues of both parties in the Senate to discard their partisan loyalties and act in the best interests of the future of this republic. I assure you, sir, the stakes are nothing less.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:34 pmThe 13th Amendment grants the state power to make slaves as punishment…
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Our crime will be “dissention†with living as subjects of an Autocrat. Slaves also lose the rest of their former Rights too.
Comment by freedomrings
Except the fly in your ointment is the need for a trial to be convicted.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:57 pmExcept the fly in your ointment is the need for a trial to be convicted.
Comment by Wretched Refuse — June 23, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
You don’t need a trial to be convicted of a crime. The Amendment says, “Except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.†Now read the Amendment and it says that “Citizens may not make slaves but as punishment citizens may be made into slaves! In your face the government may make slaves and CONGRESS may enforce this with additional laws. It does not suggest what crimes can be punished with slavery so it would be reasonable to assume “any felony or misdemeanor.â€
You do know that chain gangs still exist today and that is not the “slavery as a punishment†of the 13th Amendment. There was a reason that slavery by the state was retained. When the next depression comes millions will flood the streets. Tada, slaves fit for chains will work in camps or ship off to war in the desert. The 13th Amendment never abolished slavery it made a slave nation to serve plutocracy. What they did was slick and took away all of the chains.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:30 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jlMD2HphI
#324 Comment by freedomrings — June 24, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Quick! Get your foil hat! They’re coming for ya, bud! ;)
June 24th, 2007 at 12:51 amQuick! Get your foil hat! They’re coming for ya, bud! ;)
Comment by upright left — June 24, 2007 @ 12:51 am
I’m good on hats but you should read the 13th Amendment. It pretends to abolish slavery then lists an exception allowing the state to make slaves. So if you run that through it is plane in its face that anyone can be a slave of the state for any reason that a state establishes so long as that individual or group (party) has been convicted of any crime.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:09 amWTF?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:37 amI thought this article was a joke… but it obviously isn’t.
It makes absolutely no sense.
Americans need to stop Bush from ruining what’s left of their democracy.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:39 amDamn that Gonzales. I’d like to shove the little bitch down a flight of stairs.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:56 amAs he is technically a quasi-sentient pod-replacement executive houseplant, this is indeed correct terminology. A branch would suggest, some type of… tree or shrubbery. In reality he is primarilly viscuous gelatinous ectoplasm, with a thin exoskeleton of genetically enhanced skin-like tensile membrane to assume a form pleasing to you humans. I have said too much!
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June 24th, 2007 at 2:08 amSo, if Bush and Cheney are not a part of the executive branch (and thus not the president or vice president), does that mean Nancy Pelosi is in charge now? I believe she is next in line… since Bush and Cheney stood down and all.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:12 amthis craziness has to stop.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:27 amRon Paul 2008!
Comment by BlueArkansas — June 23, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Very well put, BlueArkansas!
June 24th, 2007 at 3:10 amI have a nice, shiny nickel for the first person who can tell me without a doubt who IS in the Executive Branch.
And if it turns out there IS nobody in the Executive Branch, I formally volunteer to head up this branch, which has existed for so long, yet no one is a part of. I bet I can do a lot better job than Bush (you know, if he was in it.)
June 24th, 2007 at 7:20 am“Bush amended the oversight directive in response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks to help ensure that national secrets would not be mishandled, made public or improperly declassified.”
Undercover CIA agents not included !
June 24th, 2007 at 7:45 amThe President, if he wishes, can ignore, amend or break executive orders. Executive orders are directives from the President to the executive branch of government. They do not apply to any other branch or any constitutional provision. As a matter of fact, presidential orders aren’t even in the Constitution. Look, I hate W as much as anyone… I’m an American, but he can do this. Although, I don’t see his reasoning behind it. He should repeal the order completely if he and Cheney are going to openly break it anyway.
June 24th, 2007 at 9:34 amIt just proves what a bunch of morons they are and who work for them. I hear Bush’s approvals dropping another point.
Comment by BlueArkansas — June 23, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Excellent post! By the time the most recent thread (WaPo’s 4-part series on Cheney), I had already e-mailed Speaker Pelosi urging her to begin impeaching Gonzalez, Cheney and Bush in that order. (See my blog for my open letter to her.)
But you said it so much better than I did that I may just take you up on your offer and e-mail her again with your words. Thanks for caring enough about our democracy to do something to preserve it.
June 24th, 2007 at 9:35 amHow do you spell “impeachment”?
June 24th, 2007 at 9:38 amHow do you spell “impeachment�
Comment by G. Boecker — June 24, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Um…I-E-D…wait, there’s an ‘M’ in there somewhere…
June 24th, 2007 at 10:22 amWhy doesn’t he just go get the original copy of the constitution and rip it up or something? I don’t know how we as Americans can let this sort of thing happen.
June 24th, 2007 at 10:39 amWe can let this happen because we are afraid of our government. They torture people, and think it’s OK because they are “enemy combatants”. They can wiretap us and listen in on our conversations with no warrant, and they can pretty do whatever they want. They are a group of greedy assholes and someone needs to do something to get their asses out of power. I hate my country these days, we are going downhill so fast I feel like I’m on a roller coaster. Please someone, invade Washington and take them OUT.
June 24th, 2007 at 10:45 amLook guys. Lets not argue with him.
If he says he’s not a member of the executive office, and therefore not President, I for one am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:07 amI get the feeling that the President and Vice-President believe they ARE the Executive Branch…not an entity WITHIN the Executive Branch. That is why they can say that this Executive Order does not apply to them. However, just because they believe it, doesn’t make it so.
Impeach both the bast*rds!
June 24th, 2007 at 11:14 amActually, if you REALLY want to get pissed off, stop posting anywhere for about 2 weeks, and KEEP reading the internets. THIS BLOG shit IS the reason we are not in the streets. We keep blowing off our steam every day on thie here internets, and it diffuses our rage. STOP posting and see just how pissed off you truly are.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:32 amIT WILL AMAZE YOU!
I think he should be back in high school, taking government classes or maybe just study Montesquieu rather than his Bible.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:55 pmHow can those who would impeach for a sexual discretion that had nothing to do with the govenrnance of the country possible ignore such hubrius?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:01 pmHow many Americans have died so that we may have the rule of laws and not of men? There are at least 4 reasons why this President should be brought to trial:
1. Knowing use of forged documents purporting to show development of WMD by Iraq, and other misdirection of the American people to justify invasion of Iraq, including knowing use of false evidence.
June 24th, 2007 at 8:29 pm2. Establishment of the doctrine of pre-emptive war, exercising executive power beyond that authorized by the Constitution.
3. Authorization of torture in violation of the Geneva conventions and U.S. law.
4. Systematic interception of electronic messages from and to a wide cross-section of American citizens in violation of the prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure.
The dems will fail to get any documents, and still won’t impeach, cuz they want Iraqi oil to flow to market via US oil company contracts just as much as Bush does. It is $6 a gallon gas, US economic collapse and ascendancy of a new Islamic state vs a bonanza of profits and continuing economic (and thus, political) power.
You know what I say to that?
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June 24th, 2007 at 8:32 pmGlub.. Glub..
I’d interpret that as a statement of resignation. If Bush says he is no longer part of the Executive, then it seems he has stepped down from the presidency. The President, being by definition part of the Executive.
Of course, this is just another Famous Bush Moment – ‘Neener neener! I can torture, abduct, rape and kill americans, I dont have to follow laws, I can attack and plunder helpless nonthreatening nations and murder a million innocent people, and NONE of you have the stones to stop me! In your FACE democracy! Take THAT freedom! A jackboot stomping on the face of Lady Liberty forever!’
June 24th, 2007 at 10:37 pmCheney, Rove, Bush, Rice, etal will dodge and twist at every turn until it’s crunch time, then Bush will pardon everyone, and the next president will pardon Bush regardless of his/her political affiliation, to “allow the country to heal.” These murdering, lying thieves will then live happily ever after. There, now wasn’t that simple? Anyone disagree? Good, I didn’t think so…
June 25th, 2007 at 12:07 amWhether Cheney believes he is or is not part of the Executive Branch is irrelevant.
Cheney has a 32 CFR 2800 legal requirement to properly handle classified information. The CFR appiles to all OVP personnel.
[Hit the link under "Anon" below to see OVP security information; and kw="Vice President".]
June 25th, 2007 at 4:37 pm