Cheney Bypassed Environmentally ‘Clueless’ Bush To Craft Administration’s Climate Change Agenda
Cheney Bypassed Environmentally ‘Clueless’ Bush To Craft Administration’s Climate Change Agenda
In a comprehensive report this week, Rolling Stone magazine investigates the Bush administration’s “secret campaign to deny global warming.” The article documents the administration’s repeated attempts to use “cooked intelligence,” stay beholden to big industry interests, and stifle internal dissent on climate change.
The report highlights Dick Cheney’s surreptitious role in developing Bush’s pro-industry climate agenda, arguing Cheney took “full advantage of the president’s cluelessness” on climate change. Rolling Stone argues Bush played along with Cheney’s arm-twisting, which culminated most recently in his decision to bypass the G8 climate resolution. Some hey highlights from the article:
Cheney personally stalled Bush’s campaign pledge to regulate global warming:
In September 2000, Bush pledged to place caps on carbon emissions. In response, Cheney armed the White House Committee on Environmental Quality with industry heavyweights. Thereafter, “a CEQ memo concluded Bush’s promise to regulate CO2 ‘did not fully reflect the president’s position’ and that ‘it would be premature at this time to propose any specific policy or approach aimed at addressing global warming.’” The authors stated that “the current state of scientific knowledge about causes of and solutions to global warming is inconclusive.”
Cheney appointee dismissed administration’s own warnings of global warming:
A 2002 Environmental Protection Agency report detailed “far-reaching effects that global warming will inflict” and “for the first time mostly blames human actions for recent global warming.” In response, a “horrified” Cheney appointee, Philip Cooney, wrote a letter to the New York Times “denying” that the paper marked any shift in Bush’s stance.
The letter written by Cooney and edited by Karl Rove - insisted that Bush’s climate change policy “reinforces” the “significant scientific uncertainties” present in climate change science. Soon after, Bush publicly dismissed the EPA report, saying it had been “put out by the bureaucracy.”
Cheney stovepiped disreputable climate change studies denying global warming:
“The most egregious example of cooked intelligence” occurred when Cooney promoted a study “which purported to show that the twentieth century was not unusually warm,” authored by a group funded by Exxon-Mobil. The paper was considered “fundamentally flawed and should never have been published,” according to the journal’s editors.
“The study gave Cheney’s office the quasi-plausible refutation of climate science it was waiting for…the administration continues to hold up the discredited study as a counterweight to the IPCC’s scientific, peer-reviewed findings on global warming.” Testifying before Congress in March 2007, White House science adviser Jim Connaughton hailed the study as a “new and major piece of science.”
Despite Cheney derailing Bush’s own campaign promises, the report makes clear that the president has done nothing to decrease the influence of an official who, as recently as February 2007, stated “there does not appear to be a consensus” that global warming is caused by man.
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Ah yes: Big Time.
There’s a lunatic for you.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:13 pmCheney is the new “Decider” in a wretched government totally out of control.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:17 pmHmmm. Cooked intel. Where have I heard that from???
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:19 pmOooh, that Cheney!!!
What a rascal!!!
But y’ gotta love ‘m!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:25 pmAnyone seen Valiant around? I’m missing her so much.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:26 pmlet’s see whether rahm emanuel’s threat to cut off funding to the office of the vice president now that cheney’s insisting the ovp isn’t part of the executive branch has any teeth or whether it’s just another empty move on the part of the dems to look like they’re forcing accountability when they’re really not…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:29 pmI’d love to see the dems give the chymp a funding bill without Cheney’s office funded, then let him veto that. Unlike the war funding bill, they just stop trying to please, and let them shut down their offices, or tap Halliburton’s accounts to fund themselves.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:31 pmOnce again, this simply underlines how Bush, the “Decider,” is NOT the true President of the U.S. Which is exactly why I have the moniker I have.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:32 pmIndeed, that’s why we fight global warming over there, so we won’t have to fight it over here.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:33 pmPromises, like rules, are meant to be broken.
It’s looking more like the decider guy is really the puppet guy. I think I’ll start calling him the MOTUS (the marionette of the US).
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe idea of a general strike does make sense.
It probably would result in shrub federalizing the national guard.
It’s an option. If the congress refuses to take the state of this nation seriously enough, the people must.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:38 pmI think I’ll start calling him the MOTUS (the marionette of the US).
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
LOL! That’s a good one! I like that.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:41 pmCheney 2008!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:43 pmBUSH/CHENEY ‘08!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:45 pmGIVE ‘EM THE BIRD
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:47 pmVOTE FOR A THIRD,
PRESIDENTIAL TERM
FOR BUSH AND CHENEY!!!
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD
VOTE FOR A THIRD,
PRESIDENTIAL TERM
FOR BUSH AND CHENEY!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Just can’t help yerself, can ya? Just have to provoke sumpin’ don’tcha?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:48 pmThe Penguin will really be sorry when all his displaced relatives from Antarctica ask to stay at his house.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:50 pmGIVE ‘EM THE BIRD
VOTE FOR A THIRD,
PRESIDENTIAL TERM
FOR BUSH AND CHENEY!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 23, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
That doesn’t rhyme. Now this…
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD,
VOTE FOR A THIRD!
GIVE CHENEY AND BUSH
A KICK IN THE TUSH!
See, now that rhymes. :)
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:54 pmAnyone seen Valiant around? I’m missing her so much.
Comment by Jake — June 23, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
She went hunting with Dead Eye Dick and has not been seen since.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:54 pmThere’s little doubt left that Cheney is “pure evil” and the evidence accrues with each passing day. If there is such a thing as hell, this man will be there for a very long time.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:56 pmHey Walt: Looks like the troll is searching for his alter ego, eh? Too bad he’s the only one who believes that Valiant is another person and not just a splintered off persona of his…hahahah!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 pmWhat would we do, indeed, without the incredible comic relief provided by these imbecilic trolls????
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 pmIt is a shame that they will find themselves on serious psychotropic drug therapy for years to come.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:58 pmHey Jake
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmHave you noticed how everybody who does not think like a Demwit is Clueless ? It truly says something about Liberal Children
we may be what you falsely call Trolls , but it is without a doubt that you are Neosocialist Demwits.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:00 pmSee, now that rhymes. :)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
You know I was just foolin’, right Wayne?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:02 pmOff topic but worth having a good laugh for an otherwise typical Saturday: http://www.huffingtonpost.com has the main thread reading that “McCain has over 80 lobbyists in his campaign”. Is this the same man who believed in campaign finance reform before he sold his soul to the devil? This guy is the poster boy for hypocrisy which is precisely why his campaign is tanking miserably right now.
I predict that McInsane will be dropping out of the race soon. The handwriting of him being a totally out of touch albatross is in the wall.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:03 pmI’ve just noticed that over at synonym.com the new entry for “troll” IS “one who is clueless and uses the word incessantly as a form of projection”….guess that qualifies our resident village/idiot troll??
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:05 pmIn the 1980 campaign, Reagan said the biggest cause of pollution was TREES!!! People then began putting signs on trees that said “Stop me before I kill again”.
Cheney’s secret service code name is “Edgar”–as in Edgar Bergen–meaning Bush is his Charlie McCarthy.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:06 pmYou know I was just foolin’, right Wayne?
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 23, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
I know, that’s why I “corrected” your ditty.
But you do know that I am completely serious about that, right?
We really need to stop looking to the two major political parties as the only choices we have. Even if none or few of the third party caandidates win election to either House, an incumbent D or R winning with just a plurality will also send a message to shape up or prepare for an even tougher fight the next time.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:08 pmDon ,
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:08 pmBill Clinton Federalized the National Guard over 10 yrs. ago . God You People are so uninformed . May I sugest if you are so unhappy perhaps you should move to Canada or France . or try Revoluting .
The “clueless bush.” If our nightmare weren’t so serious, I could laugh at that.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:09 pmWayne A. Schneider Please keep sending the message THIRD PARTY THIRD PARTY , it takes away votes from Obama and the Hildabeast .
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 pmBut you do know that I am completely serious about that, right?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Yeah, I know. I don’t support either party either. Anyway, I gotta run, but I’ll be back to troll up the place later!
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pmenaud whats your worst nightmare is Good for the Country . In the same way what is good for the Democrat Party is bad for America . : )
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pmDon ,
Bill Clinton Federalized the National Guard over 10 yrs. ago . God You People are so uninformed . May I sugest if you are so unhappy perhaps you should move to Canada or France . or try Revoluting .
Comment by FDR — June 23, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Now why on Earth would make the unwarranted assumption that one’s liberal person’s knowledge or beliefs is identical to everyone else’s in the liberal world? It’s conservatism that has a core set of beliefs that most of its followers believe which, ironically for you, is based almost entirely on an “anti-FDR” basis.
Oh, and “Clinton did it” does not make for a persuasive argument on these boards, especially if no one is confirming or denying that he did (whatever it was.)
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pmveritas
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pmbeing a Demwit you may not be informed as much as you think , like Bollmberg , McCain is a RINO . a Democrat calling himself a Republican . I just thought that you should know . : )
typo alert thats Bloomberg . its time for you guys to blast me on my typing skills again .
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmFurther proof that Cheney is the real President.
Chimpy is now following Cheney’s lead and declaring himself outside the Executive Branch too.
Mister Cheney told him to.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmNPR reported today that Geothermal Energy could supply perhaps a THIRD of the Energy needed by American Powerplants ….AND… our government has CANCELLED all funding for Geothermal Research.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmThats right…ZERO Dollar$$ for research into Geothermal Energy.
“you may not be informed as much as you think , like Bollmberg , McCain is a RINO . a Democrat calling himself a Republican . I just thought that you should know . : )”
Comment by FDR — June 23, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Uh, catch the news in the last day or two? Bloomberg is now an Independent. As for McCain, well, he’s just batshit insane. As someone posted earlier, look for him to be dropping out soon.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmI see the ‘presidential’ troll is back.
Typical ired redneck Repuke moron. Spews talking point lies and doesn’t have an original thought in his pointy little head.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmTom3: If Cheney is out of the Executive Branch and Bush is out of the Executive Branch, then who is still running our illustrious Executive Branch?? Now we know the sad, but accurate, answer - ABSOLUTELY NO ONE is running this government. That’s why we’re in the horrendous mess we’re in, that’s acutely obvious.
These guys have definitely “gone ’round the bend” on this one. They’ve lost everyone in the process. Insanity might better explain the level of doubletalk attributed to them these days. Phew! What a group of sickos!
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:24 pmMcCain is riding the StraitJacket Express.
Trudi Julie-Annie loves to play Dress-up.
Mitt’s a Mormon.
Fred Thompson’s another dumbass actor.
They’re all unelectable.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pm“What would we do, indeed, without the incredible comic relief provided by these imbecilic trolls????”
Breathe a sigh of relief! It is so tiresome trying to weed through the troll post and the “I love to play with troll” posts. If they would just stop playing with the trolls, the trolls would leave. Several times I have almost quit coming here because it is so discouraging to start reading comments on a thread only to see 10-20 in a row made by the trolls and the troll players.
I am beginning to think that some of the “non troll” people here post on this site strictly so that they can show their rapier wit while knocking down the trolls.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmPseudo-BeachBoy Wannabe, McInsane, is self-destructing. His beach boy imitation was his nadir and the beginning of his own end….just like Obama’s “no show” may be his “Dean Scream”.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pm“If Cheney is out of the Executive Branch and Bush is out of the Executive Branch, then who is still running our illustrious Executive Branch?? Now we know the sad, but accurate, answer - ABSOLUTELY NO ONE is running this government. That’s why we’re in the horrendous mess we’re in, that’s acutely obvious.”
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Good point - the lights are on but nobody’s home?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmKatie: I wholeheartedly concur with you. I never dialogue directly with a troll because, at least in my estimation, it would be engaging in a game of mental masturbation with the only result being one of sheer frustration due to engaging with a pure idiot.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm“We really need to stop looking to the two major political parties as the only choices we have.”
I agree with you. But, until we are able to do away with the electoral college and go to a straight popular vote, it will be impossible for any third party to win in this country. Personally, I hope that the Democratic President who takes office in 2009 will make doing away with the electoral college a first priority. I am tired of the more populous states having to carry the heartland states who constantly vote against their own self interest.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmKarl Rove’s role in the White House is ILLEGAL. He is a POLITICAL OPERATIVE.
F A K E
N E W S
“You can’t tell any more the difference between what’s propaganda and what’s news.”
FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein 15 August, 2006
Read all about the EVIL GENIUS right here:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmHiya Jane - It’s the classic circle jerk plot of “who’s on first” of Abbott/Costello genre. Sadly, this IS what we have running the show….nitwits & twisted magicians. Now you see it/ Now you don’t - staid, repetitive smoke & mirror routines which are becoming quite trite at this point.
If Bush isn’t part of the Exec Branch and neither is Cheney, then let’s put someone in there to run things - once and for all.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmLOL Veritas!
I would rather have nobody at the helm than Chimpy and Cheney.
Those two are sinking us all.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmAce: As we’re all discovering, the mainstream media IS pure propaganda. Just finesesse it out yourself - check a valid source for relative info and then watch and see what the media presents. It doesn’t usually even bear the slightest resemblance to the facts and the Truth. They’re rapidly becoming obsolete since everyone goes to either the BBC, foreign outlets who tell the truth about us, or the internet for information. Most televisions these days are tuned into movies and definitely not any of the propagandist news programs.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pmTom3: Right on! At least we’d know that we have no one looking out for our best interests that way. Now it’s all a smoke & mirrors concoction of the GOP to provide the appearance of having capable individuals running things but, sadly as we’re discovering with each passing day, this is definitely NOT the case.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmkatie,
The trolls last night on the tals show topic were flooding the place because Drudge sent them here.
You’re right, we shouldn’t feed the trolls. But sometimes the urge to bash them is irresistible.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:36 pm“…do away with the electoral college and go to a straight popular vote…”
Comment by katie — June 23, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
That’s my dream, too, katie. The electoral college should be eliminated.
Veritas, “smoke and mirrors” is definitely an apt phrase to describe this administration - everything they do is just a cheap trick.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:36 pmBUSH/CHENEY ‘08!!!
Agreed. For the GALLOWS, with their trip to HELL to follow!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmWhat is heartening to me is the fact that college students today are smarter than we have been and will be the “leaders of tomorrow”. It’s time for them to enter the political dialogue and reframe the conversation. I’ve noticed that many students are going Independent…the fastest growing non-party in the nation! Bloomberg has just opened those floodgates….the wave is gathering momentum…and with each passing scandal, wrongdoing and outing of the corruption of this administration, the groundswell will attain tsunami proportions before it sweeps into the 08 election….watch and see.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmJane: Cheap tricks they are - every last one of them. They are insult to intelligent americans at this point and a total embarrassment to all.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pmCheap, sleazy imposters - all of them. Shapeshifters is an understatement to describe the blackness of their being.
“…college students today are smarter than we have been and will be the “leaders of tomorrowâ€. It’s time for them to enter the political dialogue and reframe the conversation.”
Hmmm, isn’t that what graduates of Regent University have done? :)
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pmKatie: the electoral college is responsible for many third party votes. Ralph Nader did best in Alaska…about 10%…because the democrat (Gore) couldn’t win…and people voted for who they liked rather than who they thought could win.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmOf course if you are in a close swing state, voting for a third party has its dangers (Florida).
And your comments are very good…so I hope you won’t let the trolls keep you away.
CHANGING TO INDEPENDENT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE - LIGHTEN YOUR PERSONAL LOAD, RELIEVE YOU OF THE BAGGAGE OF THIS SICK TWO PARTY SYSTEM…..AND THIS TRUTH (OF NOT BEING BEHOLDEN TO ANYONE, PARTY, OR SYSTEM OF THOUGHT) WILL SET YOU FREE.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmOur current two party system (along with corrupted voting hardware) is obsolete as is our electoral college method. It’s a sad state of affairs when one man is elected by the people (popular vote) and the wrong man is (erroneously) elected by a corrupted electoral college voting system and the Supreme Court.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmYes. Changing to independent will change your life. You’ll be effectively be voting for us, but you can still be in complete denial about it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:43 pmBadger: I would strongly disagree with you on the Independent voting issue. Check your resources: One poll (Rasmussen) has Independents in the 30’s while another lists it now as 47%. Regardless of what it is, it is a substantial hunk of people at this point whose views are not being represented at all…..the polls, etc. only take into account the two main parties. I believe we are at the threshold of a very exciting time for the people of this country once again where “the people’s party” will spring up and put our 2 party system which is dysfunctional and obsolete to rest. In fact, the prediction is that if the Republican Party (GOP) actually survives the decrease in their numbers (now somewhere like 28% which is far below that of the Independents), the Republican Party will be considered the “new third party”. How bout them apples?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmBottomBoy: Who is the “us” in your post? Certainly you would not be generalizing for an entire group of americans now, would you?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pm“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, THE TRUTH IS THE GREATEST ENEMY OF THE STATE.”
– Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
By: okiemon on September 27, 2006 at 10:24am
“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.”
Karl Rove.
“See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
GEORGE w. BUSH
Here’s a great comparison of Goebbels to Bush:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ articles/ may2005/ 260505newbushism.htm
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pmIf one views the numbers, at this point the “third party” would more accurately be the Republican Party, wouldn’t it?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pm#66: If you don’t explicitly vote for dems, you’re effectively voting for GOP.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmRove ran ALL of the White House Strategy.
Bush did exactly what Rove recommended.
Plame was positively COVERT - AS WAS BREWSTER JENNINGS.
This was a CIA Front that was compromised - not just one person, but the ENTIRE SHOP.
This was NOT all about discrediting Wilson. Rove also knew that there was evidence within Plame’s organization that could put the lie to the WHIG’s faux intelligence claims to lie us into a war.
Not only that, Plame’s group was on to the cabal’s involvement in 9/11 and their plan to plant WMD inside Iraq to justify their pending invasion.
The Bush Doctrine (a Rove invention) calls for “preemptive strikes.†Rove decided that Plame’s organization needed to be taken down in order to implement their plan.
Rove identified that Wilson should be sent to Niger and then used to out Plame to close down the WMD intelligence unit.
Sound far fetched?
More far fetched than lying us into war?
More far fetched than bringing down a skyscraper on mere voice command (like WTC 7)?
More far fetched than the story that a cave dweller destroyed the United States as we knew it?
Rove was the Architect of ALL strategy…including 9/11.
THEY ALL KNEW.
We know Karl.
We know.
We know.
We know.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmBottom Boy: Not if a self-sufficient candidate runs on the Independent ticket like Bloomberg with a running mate of Al Gore, it wouldn’t be the case.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pm#67: You do realize that by citing “prisonplanet” as a source, you’ve lost all your credibility and joined the tin-foil hat crowd?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmBottom Boy: I’d love to vote Democrat again if a candidate running would address some of the real issues for a change. And, of course, if those running who sit in Congress with their thumbs up their you-know-whats would do something other than knuckle under and no show!
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:48 pmAce: Your prison planet url of Bush lying repeatedly is a good one! I guess there are plenty of gullible fools who will believe anything; however, most informed americans realize that the only one believing the repeated lies is, in fact, the “pathological liar” himself.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmVeritas; I agree there is a Huge number of voters who self describe themselves as Independents…but in the past elections..they have bit the bullet and voted for one of the two major parties. Their rationale is “not wanting to waste their vote”. But I think the country is ripe for an Alternative. I do think it would have to be Candidate led. A charismatic Messenger could win by advocating common sense policies that the American people want..and by running against the current B.S.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmBottom Boy: Different strokes for different folks. Generalization, also, loses one’s credibility as you’ve done here repeatedly I’ve noticed. Please don’t speak for anyone but yourself when you allude to tin foil hats either. There are plenty of people who would view those whose heads are proverbially stuck in the sand as sandhill cranes, too, ya’ know.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmAgreed, Badger but this time will be different, of that we can all be assured. There will be a formidable Independent running and they’re just in the wings. I believe that everyone will be duly impressed and pleasantly surprised this time ’round.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmComment by katie — June 23, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Whatever you do, katie, don’t lose hope! Be brave and go into the voting booth (or whatever they use where you live; cubicle?) and vote for third party candidates.
I agree that the elimination of the Electoral College system is a must, but that would require a constitutional amendment. And right now, the Dem’s and Repub’s have vested too much time, energy and money in learning how to game that system. Have you noticed that over the past few elections, the so-called pundits have been saying that the presidential race will come down to a handful of states? They are playing off the fact that since the electoral votes are what you need, not the popluar vote, you need only win by a small margin. And since they seem to know in advance how just about every state is going to go, they (both the parties and the pundits) concentrate their efforts on just a few states. The last two presidential elections should NOT have come down to just Florida and Ohio.
People tell me that a vote for a third party candidate is a “wasted vote”. I disagree with completely. It is, after all, your vote to cast, and your right to cast it for whomever you choose. What needs to happen is that at least one or two third party candidates for president get the requisite number of votes to qualify their parties to put candidates on the ballots for the next election cycle without having to gather so many signatures (which often get thrown out in my state (NY) on technicalities.) I knew that Gore and Kerry would win NY, so I voted for Nader not because I thought he could win, but because I wanted to help the Green Party get on future ballots automatically.
If you live in a state with an overwhelming majority of either Ds or Rs, then voting for those same D or R candidates is what I would consider a “wasted vote”. The candidate only has to win by one vote to get ALL of that state’s electoral votes. (Yes, a couple of states split their electoral votes, but they are small and the exception.) If the candidate wins by a huge margin, all those votes that could have helped other political parties were “wasted”.
But don’t just think about the presidential race, think about the races for Representatives and Senators. In order to get Congress to support a constitutional amendment eliminating the Electoral College, we have to get rid of the two major political parties who are against doing that. So vote for a third party candidate in those races. THEN we can move on to the presidential elections.
A Congress with no party having a majority of the seats would be the best kind we could hope for, because it would be harder to pass legislation without broad support.
Now, if yu really, really like your current representative, then vote for that person on a line other than D or R. You will be helping a great deal toward bringing about the changes necessary to save this country.
Be brave. Give ‘em the bird, and vote for a third. In the long run, you’ll be glad you did.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmBottomBoy is preaching about credibility?
How about if I cite a four-part FOX expose…is that more well suited to your tastes?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
How about ABC 20/20?
http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/ HTML%20Pages/ ABCNEWS_com_Were_Israelis_Detained_Sept_11_Spies.htm
Explain the “Dancing Israelis”
Provide credible links to support your theories.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:54 pmIf a formidable independent candidate (other than Nadar) enters the race, it is sure to become quite interesting. As I see it, there may be plenty of disenchanted Republicans who would jump on their bandwagon as well by then. Of course, “by then”, Bush’s numbers will be down in the teens or low 20’s and everyone will be jumping the GOP’s sinking, stinking garbage barge.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:54 pm#79: I see two URLs. informationclearinghouse and, ahem, antichristconspiracy. Are you really trying to convince me by linking to such ridiculous sites?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmBottom Boy: Different strokes for different folks.
Comment by veritas
Be careful, veritas. You don’t want Bottom Boy to get too “excited”, do you?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmWayne: I love it! Let’s all “GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD AND VOTE FOR A THIRD”. Needless to say, I agree with you wholeheartedly as well as a rapidly growing number of americans who are joining “the third”.
After all, it’s beginning to appear with each passing day, that this will be the “singular voice of the people” in this government of ours.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pm82: Perhaps I viewed a different Url? The one I saw was quite accurate.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:58 pmAre you really trying to convince me by linking to such ridiculous sites?
Comment by BottomBoy
Uh, BB, when you deliberately choose the “nom de blog” you do, it’s as good as saying, “Don’t take me seriously, because I don’t either…”
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 pm#
#79: I see two URLs. informationclearinghouse and, ahem, antichristconspiracy. Are you really trying to convince me by linking to such ridiculous sites?
Comment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
As you know, the reason those are the the two sites listed is that the original reports by FOX and ABC were purged from their servers, and have been archived for anyone interested in the learning the truth. Both reports ran on the networks listed, but were hidden from view at the demand of the ADL.
If you don’t care about the truth, then just continue criticizing the URL’s listed, and by all means - don’t read.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmA Majority of Black Voters are DISRENFRANCHISED by the Electoral College. Over 50% of Black Voters now live in the south, where the candidates they support never win a National or State election.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pmKarl:
Put your hand on the bible.
Now, under oath, do you swear that the NSA, AT&T, Comverse and others were NOT conducting Warrantless Wiretaps in advance of 9/11 during the early months of the Bush Administration, so help you God?
What’s that Karl, I can’t hear you, could you speak up please, you’re mumbling.
You’re not willing to swear to it under oath?
You mean the Bush Administration ALREADY WAS engaged in warrantless wiretaps prior to 9/11, and 9/11 happened any way?
Well shit, that changes everything, doesn’t it Karl?
Maybe it’s the case that 9/11 could never have happened WITHOUT your warrantless wiretaps prior to 9/11.
How else could you orchestrate all of the interference to enable the attacks to be pulled off on the exact same day and at the exact same time as NORAD had been ordered to stand down to conduct drills simulating planes being hijacked and flown into buildings?
We know Karl.
We know what you did.
We know.
We know.
We know.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pmhttp://www.forward.com/ issues/ 2002/ 02.03.15/ news2.html
http://www.thejewishweek.com/ news/ newscontent.php3?artid=5303
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ ac2/ wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&con
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2294487.stm
http://www.timesherald.com/ site/ news.cfm?newsid=15114089&BRD=1672&PAG=461&dept_id=33380&rfi=6
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmUnfortunately, an independent draws votes from mostly dems. Thankfully, there are some thinking republicans out there who are as sick of this crap as the dems are.
My only hope is that it doesn’t split the vote to the point where the worst lemonhead wins. It happened in 2000 and with all the fraud and a gift from the SCOTUS, the country got screwed.
Can we recover from this mess? Who knows. Another ethically corrupt POTUS and VPOTUS would be the nail. The SCOTUS is already f*cked for generations.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe Internet is being “Sanitized For THEIR Protection”
Every day, more of our historic news documentation and evidence is DISAPPEARED.
And Bottom Boy is not part of the solution.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmThe SCOTUS is already f*cked for generations.
Comment by MsJoanne
One of these days Scalia will do something so blatantly stupid they’ll have to kick him off the court.
An older friend of mine’s wife is a long time Nevada Repub. Her family was close to Paul Laxalt. Even she can’t stand Bruschâ„¢ anymore. Even Bob Novak is already conceding a a** whomping of the first order in ‘08.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:06 pmWhatever, ace. At least DailyKos has a clear and sane policy regarding the revisionist 9/11 conspiracies.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:07 pm“…do away with the electoral college and go to a straight popular vote…â€
Comment by katie — June 23, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Good Luck though you have as much a chance as a Snowball in Hell
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmComment by BottomBoy
Don’t feel too sorry for yourself, BB. At least TP allows you to post your nonsense here. Come to think of it, we all need a good laugh now and then.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmMsJoanne it happen in 2000 ? When ? Owl Gore , AKA Forest Gore , AKA the ENVIROMENTAL ROBOT LOST .
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pmDetails the media and government hope you forget:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/forget.html
“BY WAY OF DECEPTION THOU SHALT DO WAR.”
-THE MOTTO OF THE MOSSAD (Israeli Intelligence)
In 1956, as reported by the Times Of London, during one of Israel’s perpetual wars with its neighbors, the Mossad tried to trick the United States into siding with Israel against the Arabs by blowing up a US facility in Cairo and blaming the Arabs for it. The plot was wrecked when the operatives were caught and confessed, creating a huge scandal. And according to Victor Ostrovski, a defector from the Mossad, the USA was tricked into bombing Libya when the Mossad planted a radio transmitter in Tripoli which sent out fake orders to terrorists which the USA could intercept.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pmFDR we all know that Bush won in 2000 because he got the black vote….namely Clarence Thomas.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pmBottomBoy they think we are funny because they are unable to defend themselves or their ideology or position on any topic .
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pmSurviving ‘Liberty’ crew members would not be silenced. They kept demanding an open inquiry and tried to tell their story of deliberate attack to the media. Israel’s government worked behind the scenes to thwart these efforts, going so far as having American pro-Israel groups accuse ‘Liberty’s’ survivors of being ‘anti-Semites’ and ‘Israel-haters.’ Major TV networks cancelled interviews with the crew. A book about the ‘Liberty’ by crewman James Ennes’ was dropped from distribution. The Israel lobby branded him ‘an Arab propagandist.’
The attack on ‘Liberty’ was fading into obscurity until last week, when intelligence expert James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the ‘Liberty,’ electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag.
Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because ‘Liberty’s’ intercepts flatly contradicted Israel’s claim, made at the war’s beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel’s massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces.
Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel’s offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when ‘Liberty’ appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel’s claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by ‘Liberty.’
Most significant, ‘Liberty’s’ intercepts may have shown that Israel seized upon sharply rising Arab-Israeli tensions in May-June 1967 to launch a long-planned war to invade and annex the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan and Sinai.
Far more shocking was Washington’s response. Writes Bamford: ‘Despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel attacked the ship and killed American servicemen deliberately, the Johnson Administration and Congress covered up the entire incident.’ Why?
Domestic politics. Johnson, a man never noted for high moral values, preferred to cover up the attack rather than anger a key constituency and major financial backer of the Democratic Party. Congress was even less eager to touch this ‘third rail’ issue.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html
Such is the stranglehold of AIPAC
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:15 pmTroll alert! Tempting…oh so tempting. (slapping self hard)
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:15 pmBadger you are a shining example of someone who cannot defend their position .
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmUSS Liberty, a neutral ship in international waters, was attacked without warning by air and naval forces of the State of Israel on June 8, 1967. USS Liberty had not engaged in any provocative conduct, nor was she any kind of obvious threat to other ships or aircraft in the area.
In the days immediately following the attack, the United States Navy held an unusual and extremely abbreviated Court of Inquiry. The Court found that the evidence then available to it did not establish hostile intent. The Court did not have access to communications intercepts and other important items of evidence when it made this finding.
Contrary to assertions made by Israel and its supporters, the United States has never officially accepted the explanation or excuses offered by Israel. Quite the contrary, the official U.S. position is that the attack was “quite literally incomprehensible” and showed a “wanton disregard for human life.” (The word “wanton” was later removed, though the general concept remained.)
The Navy neither completed a full Court of Inquiry investigation, nor undertook any other, further formal inquiries concerning the Israeli attack on USS Liberty. Indeed, from the moment the attack started until today, no U.S. government body has undertaken any investigation into the culpability for the attack on USS Liberty.
http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/
Got 9/11?
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmToday’s Diaper Troll Award goes to… FDR
Being a good GOPer FDR consulted the Rovian Sandbox Playbook and choose to employ the famous “But Mom, Johnny did it first…” play. Where “Mom” is really you and me; “It” is really any circumstance under the sun; and “Johnny” is in all cases presidential arbitrarily, but always, replaced by a reference to our most recent former President Mr. Clinton. So we get yet another use of that most tiresome construct in the Rovian Sandbox Playbook, “But people, Clinton did it first…”
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmMsJoanne
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:18 pmActing like a 4th grader with name calling does in no way enforce your argument . but it is amusing little girl
Heh. What’s with all those anti-semitic posts, ace?
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:19 pmLast May, Cheney appeared on Larry King. He stepped in it big time, but few people caught it. I alerted Rude Pundit and he wrote about it.
an excerpt:
Then Cheney made this statement: “In a sense, when you’re at war, you keep prisoners of war until the war is over with.” So, like, if, in a sense, the Gitmo campers are “prisoners of war,” then, in a sense, don’t they get Geneva Conventions protections?
Cheney and Gonzales have been playing a semantics game to justify torture, since “war” was never formally declared. It’s pretty obvious why they chose to embark upon the path of war without ever formally declaring it - so they could not be held accountable for the War Crimes they knew they’d be committing.
Bush tells us every day that we’re at war. Cheney and Gonzales tell us that we’re not REALLY at war.
Problem is, Cheney is on tape stating not only that we are at war, but that we are holding “prisoners of war.”
The Geneva Conventions DO APPLY, and Cheney is guilty of war Crimes.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/ TRANSCRIPTS/ 0505/ 30/ lkl.01.html
KING: They specifically said, though, it was Guantanamo. They compared it to a gulag.
D. CHENEY: Not true. Guantanamo’s been operated, I think, in a very sane and sound fashion by the U.S. military. Remember who’s down there. These are people that were picked up off the battlefield in Afghanistan and other places in the global war on terror. These are individuals who have been actively involved as the enemy, if you will, trying to kill Americans. That we need to have a place where we can keep them. In a sense, when you’re at war, you keep prisoners of war until the war is over with.”
So this is the war without end, and these prisoners will be held forever?
http://www.newyorker.com/ fact/ content/ articles/ 060227fa_fact
New Yorker
From the article:
Yoo believed that the President’s role as Commander-in-Chief gave him virtually unlimited authority to decide whether America should respond militarily to a terror attack, and, if so, what kind of force to use. “Those decisions, under our Constitution, are for the President alone to make,” he wrote in a law article.
A top Administration official told me that Yoo, Addington, and a few other lawyers had essentially “hijacked policy” after September 11th. “They thought, Now we can put our views into practice. We have the ability to write them into binding law. It was just shocking. These memos were presented as faits accomplis.”
In Yoo’s opinion, he wrote that at Guantánamo cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of detainees could be authorized, with few restrictions.
“The memo espoused an extreme and virtually unlimited theory of the extent of the President’s Commander-in-Chief authority,”
So this same approach was used across the board. Addington effectively sought to obtain “legal opinions” which were in fact illegal, with the specific intent to provide Bush and Cheney with sufficient legal cover to behave as Dictators and Kings, as there were virtually no laws that applied to them, as determined by edict.
This is where we stand today. There is not one single law that applies to Bush or Cheney. They have found lawyers who were willing to craft opinions stating that they were above the law, and in so doing, have subverted the Constitution of the United States.
This activity was intentional, willful and treasonous.
They were sworn to uphold the constitution.
Given this information, others in a position to do something about it (who also swore under oath to protect the Constitution against all enemies Foreign and DOMESTIC) now have an obligation to fulfill.
They must call for the impeachment of this administration. It is their legal obligation given the evidence before them.
Time to choose sides, folks.
KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M By Katherine Hunt Last Update: 12:19 PM ET Jan 24, 2006
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — KBR, the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co., said Tuesday it has been awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security to supports its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency. The maximum total value of the contract is $385 million and consists of a 1-year base period with four 1-year options. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company said.
http://www.marketwatch.com/ News/ Story/ Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D%2DAE8A %2D4B5C%2D94C7%2D70171315C0A0%7D&dateid=38741%2E5136277662%2D858254656&s iteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806
as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency
as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency
as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency
There’s your key phrase…hidden nicely right at the end of the release. detention Centers are being built for a National Emergency…under the guise of being built to hold illegal aliens.
Can we get the congress to agree that they will pass a law to ensure that they will NEVER be used to imprison political dissidents?
Dare to ask the question.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/022106a.html
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:20 pmComment by ace — June 23, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
I tried going to those five links, and only two came back with something. Thw WaPo one had expired, and the other two “could not be found”. (The 2nd and 4th ones worked.) I’m not saying they weren’t legitimate and to your point, just that they (for reasons unknown) no longer work.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmCompare the mannerisms of these two comments:
“AVGVSTINVS you being a suburban white boy you would not understand because you are stupid . now reply and leave no doubt
Comment by Obomayomomma — June 22, 2007 @ 11:35 pm”
and
“MsJoanne
Acting like a 4th grader with name calling does in no way enforce your argument . but it is amusing little girl
Comment by FDR — June 23, 2007 @ 5:18 pm”
Notice the unnecessary space before the period, and then the beginning of the next sentence sans a capitalized first word…
I’m just sayin’
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:25 pm#
Heh. What’s with all those anti-semitic posts, ace?
Comment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Whats with th story of the “Dancing Israelis,” bottom boy?
Do you deny that the incident occured?
What about the 200 Israeli Mossad Agents arested in the same time frame? Google: “Israeli art students”
Facts are not “anti-semitic”
They are merely facts.
Are you here using the Mossad built Megaphone technology?
“We need 100,000 Megaphone users to make a difference. So, please distribute this mail to all Israel’s supporters.
Do it now. For Israel. Amir Gissin
- Director Public Affairs (Hasbara) Department. GIYUS currently claims 24,000 Megaphone users.”
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/06/giyus_megaphone/
Click here:
http://www.eretz.com/NEW/
Scroll down to this: GIYUS.ORG - Give Israel Your United Support
“Many of us recognize that the internet is the new battleground for Israel’s image. Now is the time to improve our efforts on this front by better coordinating our on-line efforts. An Israeli software company has developed a free, safe, and useful tool for this purpose: the Internet Megaphone. Please go to http://www.giyus.org and download the megaphone. You will then receive daily updates with links to important internet polls, problematic articles that require a response, and more.”
Are you part of the Hasbara operation?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:25 pmWayne:
I know the links don’t work. As to the reasons…they are clearly not unknown.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmSo, “FDR”:
WHY did Bush and Cheney REFUSE TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH TO THE 9/11 Commission??
i.e. SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH to the 9/11 Commission and the
PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
And “executive privilege” doesn’t fly. Clinton testified (Monica) and TRAITOR Reagan did, also (Iran/Contra).
Come on azzhole-licker of TRAITOR Bush—BRING IT ON!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:27 pmAs hard as it is to ignore ignorance, it’s poinless to have any kind of discussion with people who are told what to think, how they should think and when to think it.
PRIMVS INTER PARES, lest not forget the ending period, too. Apparently the thought goes on ad nasuem for infinity. ;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:30 pm““Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Michael Rivera
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:33 pmTo Hell (in a handbasket, IMHO), he didn’t cause he didn’t wanna. And the overseers haven’t pushed him to do so.
Let’s hope that changes. I think people are starting to get a rude awakening (this last declaration that the VPOTUS isn’t part of the Executive branch was so classic Chaney. Alas, too many people haven’t even looked at the constitution since they were forced to take a test on it in high school. And those people assist and enable this deceitful government to continue to rape this country and all of its citizens.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:34 pmThe “clueless bushie.” There are also several clueless bushies around here, but sources close to the source tell us that Annthrax Colter bushie, uses those “aWol winnin’ the war dolls” to achieve an orgasm. She crams a couple of them up her ass and really gets off. I would recommend this procedure to the clueless bushies around here.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pm“What’s with all those anti-semitic posts, ace?”
Comment by BottomBoy — June 23, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
You know, one can say that Israel was wrong about something, or mention AIPAC, without being anti-semitic. The same way the one can criticize the Bush Administration, or the war, without being an unpatriotic commie liberal. And you’re supposedly in the State Department?
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:45 pmJane:
For the most part, whenever that slur is used, it’s tactical.
It’s designed to encourage the broader community to shun the speaker of the truth, and to prevent others from daring to speak up.
Straight out of the ADL handbook.
Israel is not a race, nor is it a religion.
It is a foreign country, and since we bankroll it, we can sure as hell criticize…just like our own government.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:52 pmThat’s the problem, Jane. We’ve gotten to where criticizing Isreal means we’re anti-semitic. Look what happened to Jimmy Carter. You can’t marry a country, only a leader. Look at us. How many allies of the US have written us off because of Bush? We, WE, the United States of America, is now considered a rogue state by many countries in the world. Could you have ever imagined this day? I certainly couldn’t have. If we keep up this way, we’ll be lucky to not become Iraq where WE are invaded because we do have WMD
I tell you, I am so thankful that I don’t have children. If I had children I would be petrified for what their future holds. Parents always want more for their kids than they had. If you look at studies, our kids now are not improving their lives, salaries are not keeping up, jobs are being offshored more and more. There is an entire class of people in this country who are going to be hurting in a big way.
You always think it’s someone else’s problem until it hits you. Well, the problems we have are being made far worse by the policies of this administration.
How the average citizen can go along with this when so much is not in their interest. Unless these people own companies, which I doubt they do, the time is going to come when they are in these positions with no one to blame but themselves. As they say, it’s a recession when your neighbor looses his job and a depression when you lose yours.
I feel for those who will be affected. But it will be hard to feel for those who enabled it to happen.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:57 pmIt is a foreign country, and since we bankroll it, we can sure as hell criticize…just like our own government.
Comment by ace — June 23, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Hell, the U.S. helped to create Israel. I just wish that our two countries weren’t joined at the hip, and I’m willing to bet that there are Israelis who think the same thing.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:57 pmdang, primo, yo is jes comin’ along fine!
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:01 pm“I tell you, I am so thankful that I don’t have children. If I had children I would be petrified for what their future holds.”
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Me, too. When my mum was dying, in 2004, she was more concerned about what was happening in the world because of Bush’s policies than she was about dying. She was proud that my brother, my sister and I were so well-informed and involved in current events. She died about a month after the election, and in a way I’m glad that by that time she was isolated enough from the outside world that she never asked who won.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:08 pmOnce again a dimwitted troll invokes the name of a former president.
FDR, I dub thee Millard Fillmore.
As the Whig Party disintegrated in the 1850’s, Fillmore refused to join the Republican Party; but, instead, in 1856 accepted the nomination for President of the Know Nothing, or American, Party. Throughout the Civil War he opposed President Lincoln and during Reconstruction supported President Johnson.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:41 pm… the Know Nothing, or American, Party…
Comment by Cpt. Crepitus
Well, Shi-ite… that’s a group that could give me a run for my money!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmIt’s looking more like the decider guy is really the puppet guy. I think I’ll start calling him the MOTUS (the marionette of the US).
Comment by MsJoanne
Here’s a scary question for you… if Bruschâ„¢ is BigDick’sâ„¢ hand puppet, where does Biggie stick his hand when he wants to make Georgie’s lips move? And does he take off his wristwatch first?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:14 pmFDR we all know that Bush won in 2000 because he got the black vote….namely Clarence Thomas.
Comment by Badger
Badger is right: I won Clarence Thomas’ black vote in 2000. Also, thanks to black Republican Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell in 2004, I won the vote in that state because he so kindly disenfranchised many black voters. Black GOPers are such wonderful tools, until they get caught shoplifting like my former aide, Claude Allen. Really, stealing from the American public like Halliburton, Enron and Blackwater is more GOP style.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmThe troll who was posting as Harry Truman, Bill Clinton, and a few times as Nancy Pelosi is now back as FDR. I keep on telling Karl to stop hiring people with split personalities and with better writing skills, but he claims that they are hard to find.
The reason Dick gets away with this stuff is that W doesn’t want to be bothered with actually being president. He’s bored, he’s in over his head, and he really doesn’t care what goes on around him as long as he gets to pretend he’s King.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmRepub…now THAT was the gross moment of the day. I’m gonna have to go wash my mind out…that’s a visual I could have lived without. GAG ACK BARF ;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 pmThe troll who was posting as Harry Truman, Bill Clinton, and a few times as Nancy Pelosi is now back as FDR. I keep on telling Karl to stop hiring people with split personalities and with better writing skills, but he claims that they are hard to find.
Comment by President Bush 43 — June 23, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Nah, I think “FDR” is “obomayomomma,” see post #109
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:29 pmI believe you are correct, Candyce, Dubious has been propped up all his life, he knows no other way, and has always been content to let someone else handle everything.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pmI also believe part of his ever more apparent dissolution; is a faint glimmer of understanding that his world is going to collapse around him, and that there may be a greater implosion than he could possibly imagine.
He’s starting to act more fearful, and craven.
I’m gonna have to go wash my mind out…that’s a visual I could have lived without. GAG ACK BARF ;-)
Comment by MsJoann
Allllriiighty!!! I’m No 1! I’m No1!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:36 pmNah, I think “FDR†is “obomayomomma,†see post #109
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Notice the unnecessary space before the period, and then the beginning of the next sentence sans a capitalized first word…
I’m just sayin’
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
PRIMVS,
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:38 pmYou may be right about “obomayomomma,” but Karl and I didn’t authorize this name. If you look back on previous posts by the fake Harry Truman and Bill Clinton-trolls, you will also see the same sort of run-on sentences and the frequent use of condescending terms like “liberal children, ” as the FDR-wannabe did in post #25.
I would really prefer our trolls to use good Republican names like Mamie Eisenhower, Checkers, or Tom Delay.
Further proof that Cheney is the real President.
Chimpy is now following Cheney’s lead and declaring himself outside the Executive Branch too.
Mister Cheney told him to.
Cheney would probably be a better President than Bush. You get all the good attributes, minus the amnesty garbage.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:42 pmFDR we all know that Bush won in 2000 because he got the black vote….namely Clarence Thomas.
Are you still upset that the people Gore helped put on the Supreme Court didn’t push him through?
Get over it!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:45 pmAllllriiighty!!! I’m No 1! I’m No1!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
Yeah, but did you make her drink come out her nose? :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:46 pmComment by m12 — June 23, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
HERESY!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:46 pmCheney would probably be a better President than Bush. You get all the good attributes, minus the amnesty garbage.
Comment by m12 — June 23, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
I wonder, are you deliberately trying to post the stupidest comments in the world, or does it just come naturally to you?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmm12,
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:54 pmHow dare you question and/or undermine the competence of the President!!!
Especially during a time of war.
Your comment in post #133 gives aid and comfort to the enemy and you have emboldened the terrorists abroad and here at home.
Watch it guys…I have another can of diet Pepsi going.
My prior posts are getting lost. Repub, I love your posts. You are a very thoughtful person and I appreciate that. Just like Wayne, Jane and many of the others.
I have the utmost appreciation for people who can actually think and don’t just follow what they are told to think. If I wanted a robot, I’d buy one.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 pm#138
He is quite competent, but no man is perfect. The nation would be well served with an electrified fence and armed guards on the Southern border, with preapproved authorization to shoot at Mexicans.