Former chief judge of the FISA Court Royce Lamberth “took a swipe Saturday at the administration’s recently halted domestic spying program”:
Lamberth declined to say whether he believes the National Security Agency’s wiretap program was illegal.
But he said he has “never seen a better way” to conduct domestic spying than under the national security court created by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The court secretly approves warrants for wiretaps and searches in counterterrorism and espionage investigations.
“I’ve seen a proposal for a worse way,” Lamberth said. “That’s what the president did with the NSA program.”
Question:
How do we know the spying was recently halted?
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:19 pmSwipes at these guys make no difference. The only way to solve this countries crisis in government is to impeach Cheney and Bush and start criminal proceedings against them and their toadies.
Enough posturing, let’s see some action.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:22 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Excellent point! We only have their word for that, and they denied they were doing it in the first place.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:24 pmQuestion:
Since we all know that the USA has been over run by tyrannical neo-cons why don’t we organize and start holding general strike? Why don’t we have large scale marches and strikes? Why don’t we stage protests, large scale marches and General Strikes?
Let’s set a date and send the word out that we mean business by ceasing all business that we would do if there was no problem. We could stay home. How could they use Martial Law to force us to go to our crappy jobs?
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmWhy force you to go to your jobs, when you can just fire you and hire some cheap workforce instead? That’s why striking is so utterily useless these days. It’s just as quaint as marxism itself.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmWhy force you to go to your jobs, when you can just fire you and hire some cheap workforce instead? That’s why striking is so utterily(SIC) useless these days. It’s just as quaint as marxism(SIC) itself.
Comment by MAF54 — June 23, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Well traitor that is a fair question. First if people don’t work and don’t shop on a given day their bosses would make no money. If you could spell utterly you would know that a General Strike would be the best non-violent method of keeping the Calf of government on the tit of liberty!
That was a quick steak you had. It must have been a strip steak!
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:37 pmHas anyone in this administration been guilty of violating the DC Blackmail Statute?
District of Columbia blackmail statute. D.C. Code § 22-3852 provides that:
a) A person commits the offense of blackmail, if, with intent to obtain property of another or to cause another to do or refrain from doing any act, that person threatens:
1) To accuse any person of a crime;
2) To expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject any person to hatred, contempt, or ridicule; or
3) To impair the reputation of any person, including a deceased person.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:40 pmThat was a quick steak you had. It must have been a strip steak!
Comment by freedomrings — June 23, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
HA-HA! BUSTED, MAF54! I noticed the same thing, freedomrings. That was an awfully quick steak dinner. I’m told he had one last night, too. I just hope he doesn’t develop health issues that put him at the mercy of his insurance company. (But let’s not get into that discussion. This one is about FISA.)
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:42 pmWhat would happen if one party were completely corrupted?
Well, you would kill whales with sonar that breaks their eardrums.
You would steal election after election with vote fraud techniques designed by a crook named Rove.
You would stop the vote count with threats to the Supreme Court.
You would assassinate Wellstone. and then man who ran against Ashcroft and won in Missouri, even after being killed in a plane crash.
You would destroy the Bill of Rights piece by piece.
You would start illegal wars WITHOUT the consent of congress, so you would just have war after war.
You would enrich Halliburton, and Bechtel and Blackwater and GE and Lockheed Martin and all military providers and steal from the people.
You would destroy social security for the people who paid in it for their lifetimes.
You would destroy Medicare for the elderly.
You would destroy the forests of the nation and let the timber corporations make huge profits by cutting down ancient Redwoods and destroying the habitat of birds and fish and fauna and flora forever.
You would destroy the waters of the nation, by poisoning them with runoff from factories and pig farms, lowering the standard by EPA rules.
You would launch a false flag inside attack on the World Trade Center, then execute a planned demolition and use a mininuke and spray asbestos dust all over Manhattan and then say Bin Laden did it.
You would steal Trillions of dollars from the Pentagon, then attack it the day after you announced the missing trillions, so that confusion reigns. You would confiscate all the videos and hide the ABLE DANGER evidence by destroying it that the hijackers were known to us and worked for us.
You would kidnap and rendition the people on the inside who knew about the real hijackers and torture them.
You would pass a USA ORWELLIAN Act that would strip citizens of their rights to privacy and protections from spying, search and seizure in their homes, and would destroy that very document that the war of terrorism was supposed to defend, Destroying the Constitution to Save it.
You would attack the top Democratic senators Leahy and Daschle and two or three moderate news casters with weaponized anthrax that could kill millions in one envelope, then never find the killers and say later, it wasn’t weaponized as we originally thought.
The anthrax would allow you to pass the provisions in the USA ORWELLIAN Act in the dead of the night, while senators sought medical treatment and their offices were destroyed.
You would launch special forces snipers throughout Washington D.C. area during the run up to the vote of the Iraq attack, (not a war, since congress didn’t vote for that exactly, just an attack) to terrorize people into trading essential liberty for a false sense of safety in the arms of a boot-stomping dictatorship.
You would dismantle the congress with over 800 signing statements.
You would ignore congress and then do anything you wanted, and listen in on the opposition party with wiretapping.
You would put Negroponte in charge of the “intelligence” of the country, then armed with those secrets of torture and murder as he was with the Death Squads of the Iran Contra days, let the Death Squads operate in Iraq, to create a civil war.
You would give all contracts to the insiders of the White House and congress where people are invested personally, like Dick Cheney and Halliburton and Rumsfeld and Bird Flu Virus, etc.
You would take away the rights promised of free assembly with FREE SPEECH ZONES.
You would make secret all acts so you could do anything you want, even though transparency is essential in a democracy.
You would ignore the fact that you outed spies, made journalists who favored you get all the inside scoop, and punish anyone who spoke up against you.
You would build detention centers with railroad tracks leading up to holding pens and gas chambers in the US for future “immigration problems”, have plans to shut the borders for any crises, and build a fence to keep everyone inside.
You would essentially become a fascists empire.
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:42 pmBy: spiritquest on September 30, 2006 at 12:58pm
WHAT IF A FOREIGN COUNTRY HAD ACCESS TO VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE WRONG DOING OF US CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS AND USED IT TO ENSURE TOTAL CONTROL OF THE UNITED STATES THROUGH THE VOTES CAST IN CONGRESS?
ISRAEL OWNS AND CONTROLS VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE SOFTWARE, NETWORKS AND SYSTEMS NECESSARY TO WIRETAP EVERY PHONE AND READ EVERY E-MAIL IN THE UNITED STATES:
Now can you help me out with a plausible explanation for this:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
And this official DEA report:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deareportisraelispying.html
After enabling Israeli / Mossad wiretaps and blackmail of top US Officials including Dick Cheney…
COMVERSE CEO FLEES TO ISRAEL:
http://www.iht.com/ articles/ 2006/ 08/ 10/ business/ options.php
The former chief executive, Jacob Alexander, who had built Comverse into a $1 billion leader in the communications software market, did not appear in court and is believed to have fled to Germany or Israel, according to a person briefed on the investigation. A warrant was issued for his arrest.
In late July, he wired $57 million to an account in Israel, according to court filings from the Justice Department. Millions more are believed to remain in his accounts in the United States, which prosecutors have asked to be frozen.
Why is Kobi Alexander being protected by Dick Cheney?
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:47 pm#9.
Sounds “kinda like” the BushCrime “Administration”
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmHA-HA! BUSTED, MAF54! I noticed the same thing, freedomrings. That was an awfully quick steak dinner. I’m told he had one last night, too. I just hope he doesn’t develop health issues that put him at the mercy of his insurance company. (But let’s not get into that discussion. This one is about FISA.)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Wayne, Hello! This person is a disinformation agent plain and true. There is no end to the deception. He has many names like Hitler, Goebbels, Satan, etc. He has a vested interest in the current state of things and to alter that would cause him to lose something. He brought up CHEAP workers. One guess and he a Plutocrat or a plutocrat wanna be. My best guess is…. “MONEY†the root of all evil!
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by ace — June 23, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Excellent post, ace, bravo!
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 pm“MONEY†the root of all evil!
Comment by freedomrings — June 23, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
While I am an atheist and do not read the Bible much (except to confirm certain quotes), if memory serves, I believe it is “The love of money is the root of all evil.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:52 pmWayne,
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:01 pmThe root of all evil is our belief that there are those who know what is best for all others and call it love. It is that claim that becomes the dictate which detroys all freedom. By the way, Wayne, don’t read part of the Bible. Your belief is fine and I will not challenge it. The Bible is meant to take in total. It is the users of the Bible for self-gain sometimes that use only parts to give credence to their cause.
THE KING OF IRETAPS:
COMVERSE & KOBI ALEXANDER:
Kobi Alexander is the founder of the Israeli high-tech company Comverse and is wanted by the FBI for alleged financial wrongdoings. After fleeing the law in the US, Alexander was recently found and arrested in the African country of Namibia and has posted bail. He is awaiting extradition.
The U.S. government will send a request to Namibia next week for the extradition of Jacob “Kobi” Alexander, the former Comverse Technology Inc. chief executive officer wanted for securities fraud.
Alexander, 54, was freed Oct. 3 by a Namibian judge on $1.34 million bail.
The U.S. wants Alexander to face charges related to stock-option backdating, including conspiracy, securities fraud, making false filings to U.S. regulators and money laundering.
SO WHAT DID KOBI HAVE TO DO WITH WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING?
WHAT DID KOBI HAVE TO DO WITH 9/11?
ASK FOX NEWS:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
And this official DEA report:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deareportisraelispying.html
Kobi Alexander should be arrested and interrogated about his knowledge of the events of 9/11. His company acquired the other Mossad firm, Odigo, shortly after it was revealed that Odigo employees had been forewarned of the attacks on the World Trade Center.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/ cgi-bin/ archive.cgi?read=68463
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:02 pmWhile I am an atheist and do not read the Bible much (except to confirm certain quotes), if memory serves, I believe it is “The love of money is the root of all evil.â€
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Yep, that is the quote. It doesn’t matter that much since this multiple person’s need to defend Bush is sort of misplaced here. Imagine this creature cross posting to explain who the government is and isn’t. It threatens us with loosing our jobs for practicing our 1st Amendment Right. Imagine, what would happen to those that didn’t support the true majority?
My former employer and I talked about this and he would close shop to support a General Strike.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:03 pmWayne, Love is all the Bible teaches and the word is used more often than any other word. Many take advantage of the Bible, true believers will not try to be so arrogant. Discerment was asked of Christians to be weary of those who would use it for their own gain. Truth is not that far away in the Bible, if studied. but some will twist the truth. It’s not all that bad if we look hard.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:05 pmComment by leftcoast — June 23, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Separation of Church and State prohibits the Bible from entering this. The Constitution and the DOI clearly state what we need to do. I didn’t see you post on any of the current threads “leftcoast” you wouldn’t happen to be MAF54 or another one of his aliases?
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:07 pmyou wouldn’t happen to be MAF54 or another one of his aliases?
Comment by freedomrings
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmI’ve been posting forever. And everyone knows that I will never preach. MAF54 is an idiot.
“The love of money is the root of all evil.â€
This can be taken further back in time, to the origins of simply taking away from another his, her, or even its:
food, shelter, tools and possessions.
Even to the concept of simply driving others off lands they occupy, to take the resources they depend on for survival…..
Heh, not much has changed, has it?
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:10 pmI am the firmest believer of the seperation of church and state. I would die for that sepeation.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:10 pmWiretaps, Sexpionage and Blackmail.
Of Swallows and Ravens
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2189
Israeli Sexpionage in the McGreevey, Condit and Clinton Affairs
http://www.the7thfire.com/ new_world_order/ zionism/ mossad/ israeli_sexpionage.htm
Love, Sex and War
Black Propaganda and Sexpionage
http://www.heretical.com/costello/12sexspy.html
The History of “Sexpionage”
http://www.theinternetcollege.com/26.htm
Sexual Blackmail:
http://www.carpenoctem.tv/cons/sex.html
Sexual blackmail gridlock in Washington today
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/?q=node/1254
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pmMy beliefs is rooted in study, but not to make anyone change their stance on issues. I believe in the sanctity of a woman’s right over her own body. I believe that we live in a pluralistic society. My beliefs are meant for me, not for others.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:13 pm“I didn’t see you post on any of the current threads “leftcoast†you wouldn’t happen to be MAF54 or another one of his aliases?”
Comment by freedomrings — June 23, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
“I’ve been posting forever.”
Comment by leftcoast — June 23, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Freedomrings, leftcoast is correct, he is not a name-changing troll. And I have never heard him preach. (Leftcoast, I’m automatically using “he” and “him”, please correct me if you’re “she” and “her.”)
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:14 pmJane, I’m a He. I am apprectiave of your response.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmThe NSA in big trouble. America has lost confidence. We need to reign the admin in if we are to survive as a nationl. What part of illegal do they fail to get?
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:22 pmComment by leftcoast — June 23, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
I apologize deeply leftcoast! Your post sort of “stuck out”. We need “CRITICAL MASS” in order to get congress to fear the people again. If they can’t be turned back to the representing the will of the people then We The People need to abolish them all!
I’m sure you can tell that after paying almost $5.00 for a gallon of milk I am at an end! 6.5 years of this stress is ripping everything and everyone up. We have got to end this madness and people like MAF54 are part of the problem. Rube Goldberg people. We need to be CLEAR and DIRECT and NOW.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:23 pmI apologize deeply leftcoast! Your post sort of “stuck outâ€.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:28 pmComment by freedomrings
Freedomrings- No need to apologize. Blogging is not like talking in person. Your are right on in the rest of your post. Blessings to you.
I think MAF54 is right. A general strike wouldn’t do anything but allow the mega corps to fire you and hire someone else at a fraction of the salary. Actually, I think they would welcome it.
It’s like a day without getting gas. If everyone stopped driving everywhere but to work, even that wouldn’t cut down. We can strike or not get gas only for so long, and they know it.
If everyone stopped shopping altogether (for things other than food), that would hurt, but who would it hurt? The CEOs are going to continue to get their 300x the average salary and bonuses and the people who do the work will lose their jobs because profits are down.
Greed is good for the rich and life goes on for the rest of us.
If I thought a strike would accomplish anything, I’d be the first one signing up. But I think this would be a case of shooting ourselves in the foot.
Capitalism is a good thing until rampant greed steps in. That’s happened and we’re going to see that worldwide. Everyone wants everything and the countries who have had nothing for so long (e.g., China and India) are going to follow in our footsteps. Some will get ultra rich while others remain in poverty or actually move up a couple steps on the food chain ladder - more than they had but still scraping by.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 pm“I am apprectiave of your response.”
Comment by leftcoast — June 23, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
And, as a former Roman Catholic and a current agnostic, I’m appreciative of your ‘not preaching’. :-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:34 pmAmen, and a hallelujah to boot for no preaching!
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:38 pmComment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
So, you will remain apathetic?
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:40 pmComment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Or should we skip the strike and go directly to “REVOLT?â€
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:42 pmCapitalism is a good thing until rampant greed steps in. That’s happened and we’re going to see that worldwide. Comment by MsJoanne
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:42 pmAll of your post is well thought out. But, is that what we want? Is there a need for wages that meet and exceed the poverty level? If true, how do we reach that goal? Government and corporations have a firm lock in the market place but few can afford the products if wages lag behind.
Is a strike good? Of course not. But just how do we reconcile this conundrum?
I don’t know if MAF54 is right, but usually he sides on the side of each for the own.
#30 “I am apprectiave of your response.â€
Comment by leftcoast — June 23, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
And, as a former Roman Catholic and a current agnostic, I’m appreciative of your ‘not preaching’. :-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmFaith is a journey not a declaration. Bless you.
Capitalism is a good thing until rampant greed steps in.
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
I agree. What many people fail to remember is that Capitalism is a “zero-sum” game. What’s not in your pocket is in someone else’s. (Such as the executive boards of the insurance, pharmaceutial, petroleum and other fossil fuels industries.)
OT (I know), but I’ve often wondered why, if oil is considered a “national security interest”, do we let its price be decided by the “open market”? Wouldn’t that be like the military buying a gun whose bullets could only be bought from another country’s givernment? Kind of puts your “national security” in the hands of another country.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmWe the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I submit as a Citizen of this nation that there is none of the above going on here!
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:50 pmI am hardly apathetic. I call and write my reps often. We all see how far that takes us. Revolt? Possibly. Something is going to have to happen to return us to the pre-dictatorship days. I wish I could say what that could be. I agree with a free market system but when you throw greed in the mix, it’s not really a system as much as a control.
I don’t usually agree with MAF54 as I don’t have the same value system s/he has. But while I might consider the poster, I more consider the post. And this one I agree with.
I wish I had answers. All I know is what we’re all doing now ain’t a workin’.
How easy would it be to completely control us? Have you considered what life would be like without electricity? Deregulation of that industry created a disaster in the making. There is no upgrading and the only thing we see is basic maintenance. While it sounds like something out of a sci-fi movie, THINK about life without electricity. That would completely control us, no if’s, and’s or but’s.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:51 pmHow do we know the spying was recently halted?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
My exact question… how do we know it was halted????
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:57 pmThanks for a scenario to ponder, MsJoanne, I think we can draw a paralell with what the Russian gas companies did last winter to its customers on down the pipeline.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:57 pmTHINK about life without electricity. That would completely control us, no if’s, and’s or but’s.
Comment by MsJoanne
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:58 pmBe of heart. We here deal with many absolutes. Don’t worry. Love each day, make the most of each, and be mindful that you possess the ability to change the circumstances of those closest to you.
I don’t know if MAF54 is right…
Comment by leftcoast
He’s not. Trust me, he’s not.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:59 pmThat was an awfully quick steak dinner.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Perhaps it was the infamous “tube steak”…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmIn official declaration, domestic spying may have ceased.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmI believe it is safe to assume (and I try never to assume ANYTHING)
that it has not ended, but simply shifted to another department/program/installation, and just as TIA was supposed to have been dismantled and discontinued, it simply went further underground.
I “believe” that the constitution gives me the right to ignore gun control statutes, and I do so and admit my guilt on television.
Even though I “believe” the gun control statutes are unconstitutional, they are not until the judiciary says they are, so the police WOULD have to arrest me since I admitted my guilt on television.
I WOULD have to pay bail to get out of jail, and then I WOULD have a trial and a federal judge WOULD rule that the gun control statutes are indeed constitutional, so I WOULD be sentenced for my crime, which I can appeal, but I am guility unless I win the appeal.
Bush “believes” that the constitution gives him the right to ignore FISA statutes, and he does so and admits his guilt on television.
Even though he “believe” the statutes are unconstitutional, they are not until the judiciary says they are, so the police SHOULD have to arrest him since he admitted his guilt on television.
He SHOULD have to pay bail to get out of jail, and then he SHOULD have a trial and a federal judge DID rule that the FISA statutes are indeed constitutional, so he SHOULD be sentenced for his crime, which he can appeal, but he is guility unless he wins the appeal.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmI don’t know if MAF54 is right…
Comment by leftcoast
He’s not. Trust me, he’s not.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmActually I was trying to be kind. I destroyd him last night.
Actually I was trying to be kind. I destroyd him last night.
Comment by leftcoast
Yeah, but just like a toadstool in a cow pasture after a rainstorm, he just keeps poppin’ back up…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmleftcoast, I don’t worry about much, especially that which I cannot control. That said, I take active actions against the injustices I see. Alas, I am but one voice and that voice is one that apparently holds no strength with my elected officials.
If I die tomorrow, I die. There are some things I am more than willing to die for and this country is one of them. The way things are going, the time will come when we are all going to have to put up or shut up if we want the United States of America to be what it is supposed to be according to the founding fathers, that which we were built upon and continue to at least pay lip service to.
All I know is that I don’t care to live in a 1930’s Germany kind of country…and that’s where we are heading now (go to http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 06/ 23/ cheney-climate-clueless/ #comment-3880351 and read post 123 if you think we’re not heading down that path).
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmThese daily “swipes” at the mountain of corruption in this administration is like the proverbial “pisshole in the snow”. It’s there and so miniscule that you have to be right on top of it to even notice it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmhe’s like that one mosquito that has been in your room for two nights now, that vanishes as soon as the light is turned on…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:09 pmMsJoanne: Is it any wonder that what we’re constructing is akin to 1930’s Germany when the grandpappy of our Non-Executive Branch President supplied gas to the chambers in Nazi Germany? That’s a fact which can be googled….name of his company, etc. That was Prescott Bush - and as the adage goes: The apple definitely doesn’t fall far from the tree…..er….er….let’s change that to: Far From the Shrub…..heh-heh.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmHey-Zeus! That’s a good one! The old mosquito swiping ritual. That’s surely a good analogy.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmThe interesting thing about pissholes in the snow, is that the cavity underneath the small hole is often quite large, and it only takes a little bit of sunlight to collapse a large area.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:12 pmPerhaps it was the infamous “tube steakâ€â€¦
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
I thought of that when Wayne was making his comment. Great but filthy minds think alike!:D
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:12 pmThat was Prescott Bush - and as the adage goes: The apple definitely doesn’t fall far from the tree…..er….er….let’s change that to: Far From the Shrub…..heh-heh.
Comment by veritas
Fruit of the poisoned tree, veritas, fruit of the poisoned tree.
Indeed, Ole Prescott was so deep in the 3rd Reich’s hip pocket that he had his business assets confiscated by the Feds as punishment. I’ve wondered, out loud at times, if BruschCo’sâ„¢ enormously destructive behavior over the last 7 yrs is mean as payback for clippin’ Grandad’s feathers.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:12 pmWouldn’t it be pure poetic justice if some hacker’s been spying and recording all of Bush and Cheney’s comminuques??? Now that would be a multi-million dollar publication!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmHow easy would it be to completely control us? Have you considered what life would be like without electricity? Deregulation of that industry created a disaster in the making. There is no upgrading and the only thing we see is basic maintenance. While it sounds like something out of a sci-fi movie, THINK about life without electricity. That would completely control us, no if’s, and’s or but’s.
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
So, you are apathetic! You fear freedom! All of this shows your fear. Dick Cheney made it clear that we will not change our way of life. Our founding fathers had none of what we have and yet had a greater value system. You are content to subscribe to the Plutocratic ambitions that did not exist in the nation till Abe Lincoln.
Now, your deepest fear is the loss of electricity. We are not going to lose “electricity†or any utilities simply because we protest or strike. Your deepest fear should be the loss of civil liberties. Imagine that you have to present ID at various checkpoints and get permission to travel. Imagine that you and any family are forced to take tracking implants. Imagine being rounded up and put in a labor camp. All of that is possible with or without electricity.
Now all of the energy problems will remain and your electrical fear will be realized regardless of any governmental systems.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pm#52 Nanook: You’re right and insightful, too. I was hoping that someone with experience and knowledge of snow pissholes would surface. The warm urine absolutely “guts” the base of the snow although there’s only the smallest of evidence on the surface. Beginning to sound like the Bush Administration for the past 6 years?? Is it Pissants, Pissmires, or Pissholes in the Snow?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmAlas, I am but one voice and that voice is one that apparently holds no strength with my elected officials.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmAll I know is that I don’t care to live in a 1930’s Germany kind of country…and that’s where we are heading now
Comment by MsJoanne
No, your voice represents a thousand. Continue to write your rep. Write, write and write. I do as often as I feel necessary. Your are the backbone of liberty. Don’t ever forget it! Many blessings.
Great but filthy minds think alike!:D
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Well, shucks… there is something about this that tends to wipe away one’s inhibitons, isn’t there?
Uh, Jane, don’t look now, but Wayner is standing riiiight behind you w/ what appears to be a… rolling pin in one hand…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:18 pmFreedomrings: While I am in full concurrence that the thing we need to fear is the loss of our civil liberties; however, it’s a case of being a “day late and a dollar short” because each of our civil liberties went out the window when they ushered in The Patriot Act. This singular act will be traced back as being the “beginning of the end” of all rights and liberties guaranteed by the constitution….and like the pisshole in the snow theory….it can be said that this Patriot Act/aka Pisshole In The Snow has taken out the foundation of this country from the bottom up….with only the tiniest of apertures (pisshole) being immediately obvious to the citizens.
What we are definitely realizing is that while we could only see the tiny hole on the surface, everything this country was built on has been handily removed and destroyed.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:18 pmThere is no room for negativism on this site. America was born on the Positive. Those who are nay sayers will always be with us. Those who claim superiority will always be with us. But those who know the principles of freedom will forever pervail.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmWhat we are definitely realizing is that while we could only see the tiny hole on the surface, everything this country was built on has been handily removed and destroyed.
Comment by veritas
Egg sucking dogs only have to gnaw one tinly little hole in an egg to suck the whole thing out…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmI may just compose an Episstle to the RNC, veritas.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:22 pm“Uh, Jane, don’t look now, but Wayner is standing riiiight behind you w/ what appears to be a… rolling pin in one hand…”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
What the? Wayne doesn’t know how to bake…? (thud)
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:22 pmWhat we are definitely realizing is that while we could only see the tiny hole on the surface, everything this country was built on has been handily removed and destroyed. Comment by veritas
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:23 pmveritas, lets rebuild the destruction.
#61 While I enjoy a perpetually outlook overall, I would say that the absense of critical analysis and admission of the not-so-rosy in life actually contributes to one’s sense of joy. After all, without contrast (darkness as to light), how can one truly know positivity? If there is no counterpoint such as “negativity”, how does one ever know true “positivity”. I like your concept but it falls short of intelligent discourse and the ability to view things realistically. Once one puts on the blinders of opposition, then even one’s perception is not founded by contrast but by suggestion and apathy.
Having said that, I’d just like to remind myself and others that “darkness is just the absence of light” (which makes the case for the necessity of contrast)….There is no real “darkness” per se as scientists and David Hawking views it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 pm#62 I think it’s fair to say that this country has been “sucked out” then.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 pmWhat the? Wayne doesn’t know how to bake…? (thud)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Whoa… that’s GOTTA hurt! Talk about your Cavalcade of Carnage…
Uh, anybody got some ice? Come’on… some of you are NEVER without a drink in your hands…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 pmYeah, I don’t think they stopped domestic spying either…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:26 pmAnyway, who wants to talk about overthrowing the gov’t???
Leftcoast: Unless we can assess the degree of the destruction and learn from the mistakes which contributed to the destruction, I believe it can be said that progress cannot be accomplished, n’est pas?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:26 pmI may just compose an Episstle to the RNC, veritas.
Comment by Nanook
I have to say, this is where do have an advantage. We have a much easier time writing obscene messages in the snow…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:27 pm“#62 I think it’s fair to say that this country has been “sucked out†then.”
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Another “Airplane” reference?;-)
“Uh, anybody got some ice? Come’on… some of you are NEVER without a drink in your hands…”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Where’s Barfly when you (I) need him?! Oh, yeah, at the bar…oh, well.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:28 pmWestcoast: Definition of the destruction requires an open mind so that Truth can be ascertained without the pollyanna-ish attitude which selective blinders creates. How can you define “destruction” then? Destruction of what? How much? How long? How did it occur? If we can’t define the problem realistically, then how can we ascribe a viable solution….catch my drift here or am I beyond comprehension on this?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:28 pmBlind positivity is also considered “stupidity” by some or the inability to view two sides of a coin…..or to make a decision based on factual data….Some people call the Polyanna Syndrome a “mindset” or a “brainwash”. I believe that to disclaim what may be considered to be negatives in a situation is to not view the entire picture. It’s like a blurred image of something.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 pm#69 Leftcoast: Unless we can assess the degree of the destruction and learn from the mistakes which contributed to the destruction, I believe it can be said that progress cannot be accomplished, n’est pas?
Comment by veritas
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pmProgress is honesty. Progress is not determining the process to destruction, but to the possibilities of rebuilding. We are stronger than those of the past are we nothing more than the past.
This is perhaps why Kucinich isn’t going to gain much traction as a viable candidate. His Pollyanna attitude gives the impression that he’s not in touch with reality and is incapable of viewing the “big picture” due to his personal censoring devices….or “constructs”, as the case may be.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:32 pmYeah, I don’t think they stopped domestic spying either…
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Well, geez, we finally found something we can agree on.
I’m a big baseball fan, and I have a friend I trade e-mails w/ about our favorite team (the Mets!!!). Last spring (2006) we were both frustrated w/ the GM in NY, Omar Minaya, and started joking about having him killed.
So, I’m sending e-mails w/ combinations of words like “Omar”, “kill”, and “assassinate”, oh, and maybe “payment”, in them. And all of a sudden, my e-mails aren’t going thru to my friend. They start disappearing for 2 and 3 days at a time, then come back to me marked “Couldn’t Be Delivered”. It was gettin’ kinda creepy there, if ya know what I mean.
So I started using naother e-mail address and stopped using certain words, and Voila (as the French would say) NO MORE PROBLEMS…
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:32 pmHonesty is only half of it, my friend, sorry to say. If you can’t identify what is “dishonest”, then tell me what is considered (by you) to be “honest”?? You can’t have one with it’s polar opposite which exists and is real….I hate to burst your altruistic bubble though.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmWe are stronger than those of the past AND WE ARE nothing more than the past.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmLeftcoast: How can one know the process of rebuilding then??? Rebuilding what?? Some integral components are being left out of this equation by you, sorry to say. Your commentary is only half of the dialogue, my friend.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmIs a strike good? Of course not. But just how do we reconcile this conundrum?
Comment by leftcoast — June 23, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Sorry, I’m a bit late back to this thread.
First, remember the not too distant past, when hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Hispanics took a day off? There were no widespread reports of firings.
When an issue strikes near and dear to enough people, a general strike will be inevitable. Corporations, nor Mom and Pop businesses, cannot replace their entire workforce overnight.
Meanwhile, it would be wise to study the early days of labor organizing. We seem to have forgotten how to strike. We have forgotten solidarity.
We have forgotten that unionizing is the only way to level the playing field with Corporations.
We have forgotten that we need not cripple the entire country, but just one select industry at a time, and we need to financially support those who go on strike for the benefit of all.
We have forgotten one of the most effective ways to strike is for an hour at a time.
But the bottom line is, we still have it too good. Things haven’t gotten bad enough, for enough of us, to care. The ironic thing is, there are those of us doing everything we can to keep it from getting that bad.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmKucinich isn’t going to gain much traction as a viable candidate. His Pollyanna attitude gives the impression that he’s not in touch with reality and is incapable of viewing the “big picture†due to his personal censoring devices….or “constructsâ€, as the case may be.
Comment by veritas
I don’t think “the Kuch” will ever make a viable Pres candidate, snagging that trophy wive aside, but I think he’d make a great Cabinet official. HUD? HEW??
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmRepub…I often joked about being in favor of assasinating Bush but what keeps me from that it would put Chaney in charge. I am SURE I am on a list somewhere.
What you wrote was frightening. Truly, bone chilling frightening.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmYou seem grounded in the past quite well which provides yet another clue as to how you are wired. Of course, we all know that THE only moment in time is the present moment so, realistically, the present moment is all that truly exists. The past is gone and cannot be altered but can CERTAINLY be used as a device for learning - what to do/ what not to repeat, etc. And, the future is where we get to (hopefully) play out that which we’ve learned. Of course, the future is simply a mind constuct so it, too, has no basis in fact in the here and now.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:36 pmRepublic: Yes he would because he seems like his heart is in the right place. Trophy wife doesn’t hurt either.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:36 pmFreedomrings: While I am in full concurrence that the thing we need to fear is the loss of our civil liberties; however, it’s a case of being a “day late and a dollar short†because each of our civil liberties went out the window when they ushered in The Patriot Act. This singular act will be traced back as being the “beginning of the end†of all rights and liberties guaranteed by the constitution….and like the pisshole in the snow theory….it can be said that this Patriot Act/aka Pisshole In The Snow has taken out the foundation of this country from the bottom up….with only the tiniest of apertures (pisshole) being immediately obvious to the citizens.
What we are definitely realizing is that while we could only see the tiny hole on the surface, everything this country was built on has been handily removed and destroyed.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Well, then that is also apathetic. Your defeated, there is no way out, no solution, etc. I started by calling for a General Strike at the top of this thread. I’m looking for support and a day that our government will get a strong message that they will restore the Constitution, repeal the Patriot Acts, Impeach the co-dictatorship and stop the war. I brought up the fact that restoration or abolishment fall on our shoulders. Why do you fear Bush so much? Honestly, why are you frightened?
The list of excuses is growing. People we had electricity long before Bush 43 became Dictator. Our congress is in on it or fears him too. Fear is irrational and has many of us immobilized. We need to grab the opportunity while the inter web is still running. 88% of the nation wants Bush impeached. That is a majority. You are in the majority. Bush is the minority! Grasp that reality and cease the day. Congress will not fix this and every day wasted marches us closer to more 9-11s here at home.
Folks, Osama charted a plane himself on September12 from Florida back to SA. There is actual proof of that. What more do you need? How many will die next so Bush can lift his approval rating?
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:37 pmProgress is honesty. Progress is not determining the process to destruction, but to the possibilities of rebuilding. We are stronger than those of the past are we nothing more than the past.
Comment by leftcoast
Honesty is only half of it, my friend, sorry to say. If you can’t identify what is “dishonestâ€, then tell me what is considered (by you) to be “honestâ€?? You can’t have one with it’s polar opposite which exists and is real….I hate to burst your altruistic bubble though.
Comment by veritas
Veritas. Discernment is a quest. Altruism is state of mind, of course. Truth is the inate ability that we all pocesss. You managed it, I know. And so will all of us one day. My bubble will always be bursted, but I will always seek the truth.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:38 pmWhat you wrote was frightening. Truly, bone chilling frightening.
Comment by MsJoanne
And totally true. No exaggeration at all. I’d suspect we’re all on a list by now. And I also suspect that BigDickâ„¢ is known as “The Insurance Policy” inside The WOTUS.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 pmSo let’s agree (Westcoast) to disagree and proceed forward from here….so what was the problem then with the status quo anyway?? How do we move forward? Repeating the past? What past do we repeat?? Oh…only the “positive past” I guess….And, while you’re at it answer one last question for me: WHO GETS TO DEFINE FOR ALL OF US WHAT IS POSITIVE?? AND, WHEN YOU DO, IS THIS YOUR DEFINITION OF POSITIVE?? AND THAT MUST MEAN POSITIVE AS OPPOSED TO NEGATIVE THEN, RIGHT???
GOTCHA!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 pmRepublic: Yes he would because he seems like his heart is in the right place. Trophy wife doesn’t hurt either.
Comment by veritas
yes, he would make a fabulous Sec, kind of like “the Anti-Condi”. And he and his wife together are a hoot.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:41 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
I read that and I want to say…. I like you!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:42 pmTruly, bone chilling frightening.
Comment by MsJoanne
The basis of free speech, with regards to publicly elected officials, even demonstrably criminal public servants, is that no threats against their person are to be tolerated.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:47 pmDo not threaten physical harm, nor even describe situations that would be harmful.
We may, under the articles of the Constitution, critcize and condemn all actions by said public servants we see as unhealthy.
Sadly, I believe nowadays it is easy enough to get on a list by simply criticizing government policies.
#62 I think it’s fair to say that this country has been “sucked out†then.
Comment by veritas
Careful, we don’t want to get Bottom Boy or MAF54 too excited, but yes, I agree.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:47 pmSadly, I believe nowadays it is easy enough to get on a list by simply criticizing government policies.
Comment by heyzeus
Right. I may say some pretty nasty, even obscene things on TP, but I NEVER make threats. And I’d bet we’re all on some sort of list by now.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:48 pmheyzeus, I appreciate that. And I am an open book. If they want to investigate me they will find about the most boring human being alive. I would probably guess that they have done just that. I wouldn’t doubt at all that everyone who posts on these sites are in the radar, too.
Our freedoms are being assailed at every stage. I always play within the rules (which sucks sometimes). I can only hope that what I say and do within the confines of those rules might accomplish something.
That said, I am willing to do more. I just don’t think the previously mentioned strike would accomplish anything which is what my prior posts were meant to say.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmNEVER make threats. And I’d bet we’re all on some sort of list by now.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
The fine art of the threat, and perpetually threatening behavior, is, after all, the exclusive domain of neo-con conflict capitalist bullies, and we certainly don’t want to be mistaken for such when the barbarian hordes begin to swarm out of the steppes….
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:53 pmI don’t think “the Kuch†will ever make a viable Pres candidate, snagging that trophy wive aside, but I think he’d make a great Cabinet official. HUD? HEW??
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 23, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
Don’t you mean Health and Human & Elven Services? (BTW, there is no more HEW, it’s now HHS.)
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 pmComment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
For a fun story, with a happy ending, see if you can find
“Sailors Song”, by Ken Kesey (yes, the very same Ken Kesey…;)
It is the tale of the flipping of the Earths magnetic poles, North for South, South for North, which by the way, has happened before, and more than once.
Everything magnetic is now scrambled, and worthless.
Totally garbled magnetic strips on credit cards, drivers lisences, everything run by a computer grinds to a halt.
Imagine!
And, it could happen at any time, with no warning, one moment you’re happily typing away at your keyboa
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:02 pm#94 You are too funny! I love it!
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:02 pmHeyzeus! Where’d you go?? Man over keyboard! We need some levity on these threads, don’t we? It’s always refreshing to laugh for a change instead of crying every day about the next thing to gut-punch us, isn’t it?
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:04 pmveritas…you laughing at my painfully boring being? That’s soooooooo not nice!! ;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:04 pmSince Bush took office there have been numerous protests here and around the world. Our 1st Amendment has been relegated to standing in a cage in many cases. We arrive at another level of protest then and agree to strike for the will of the people. There will be a point when strikes will be longer and tougher for everyone. After exhausting all options that will run concurrent like writing, protests, marches, sit-ins and general strikes. We will bow to the King or resort to a full open revolt and then a possible civil war.
We need to stop procrastinating and take the next step. There is no person here that wants to die but honestly who can call being a slave LIVING? Help out people and let’s simply do the next right thing and set a date and rules! It will be the most exciting thing that ever happened in the US and we may just change the face of the world. Don’t forget that people around the globe regularly protest and regularly protest BUSH. Do you really care if you’re on a list??
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:05 pm#86 Friends, then? I view discernment as a “gift” - something which can certainly be cultivated but I know people who are basically born with it - And, yes, altruism is a state of mind which is certainly an honorable one; however, altruism must always be tempered with fact even when the fact doesn’t fit our construct of positivity. The fact stands alone on it’s own merit; we impute value to the fact - either negative or positive. And, it’s highly likely, that one person’s positive is another person’s negative. Of course, we could go on and on for hours like this but soon it becomes counterproductive which, in my book is a negative thing, but in your book must be considered “positive” (even in it’s overt negativity) or you wouldn’t be posting on these news-negative threads, would you? So, other than a circuitous route to nowhere, where have we gone?
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmWestcoast: It’s been fun regardless….good and perhaps philsophical repartee is always balm to the soul.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:10 pm…tnemom eht ta draobyek ym daer ot drah sti ,satirev ,ereh llits m’I
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:14 pmMs Joanne: I surely wasn’t laughing at you. I was laughing at the comment made by #94 (Republic) regarding the nuisance trolls here at TP. I’ve read & enjoyed your posts immensely. Basically, I believe that the only thing left for people to do is to continue to voice their protest against the status quo (and this includes both sides of the aisle at this point) and to have their voices heard in whatever form seem feasible and personally agreeable to them.
I also believe that this next election can be one of unprecedented, momentus movement toward change in this country. I firmly believe that we will see the uprising of a third party - one which includes disenchanted Dems and Repubs along with our children….who view change as not only desirable but as an integral piece in the puzzle of our own existence.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:15 pmPerhaps this next election will hold the key to the future of this country….the key to it’s demise or survival. Certainly this administration has pushed us to the brink of extinction and it’s now up to us to bring things back into some semblance of justice and order. As we all know, we can express our voices in a myriad of ways - from writing local papers, authoring our own books, writing song lyrics, poetry (some of the more creative ways) to actually getting out there and “showing up” on the streets of town. Each of us must do it in our way way, at our own time, and if and when we are moved to do so. Some may call others complacent because their choice is to silently exist and use their weight with their vote at the polls. This is their choice and it should not be criticized.
The voice of reason? Perhaps. I always try to keep things realistic, non violent, and with as little profanity as possible in deference to other TP friends of all walks of life.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:20 pmI was teasing you, veritas. I always joke about my being the single most boring human being alive. Date? What’s a date? Here I sit at 7:00 on a Saturday night. Woo hoo! I live such a blessed life!
Ok, back to the real world. Question: Do you think we’re going to see elections in 2008? I am expecting some “emergency” to “delay” the elections based upon this little presidential directive gem: http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2007/ 05/ 20070509-12.html
But hey, what do I know?
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:21 pmOn that note, I’ll wish each of you a merry evening - hopefully one filled with joy in whatever form that may personally take.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:21 pmMsJoanne: Just caught your post…glad that I didn’t unintentionally insult you or something - which would be the last thing I’d contemplate doing. Enjoy your evening - and if sitting on your keyboard expressing your feelings is somehow balm to your soul, then so be it. You are certainly far from boring or dull and are doing precisely what you choose to do. Happy evening.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:23 pmSee you later, Veritas.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:24 pmCiao, ciao, ciao, Veritas. Enjoy your evening!
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:26 pmGood night, veritas. Enjoy your evening. Thanks for participating.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:30 pm!satirev gnol oS
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pmCan someone please flip heyzeus back so he’s rightside up? :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmWell after a close review of this thread it is clear that the lion share of poster will choose to wait and see. Mark these words posters and remember them well…
“Let us therefore animate and encourage each other, and show the world that a free man,
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmcontending for his liberty on his own ground, is superior to any slavish mercenary on earth.”–
George Washington–July 2, 1776
“Livin’ in the Land Down Under,
where women glow and men chunder…”
:0
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pmI wish I could be as articulate as Patrick Henry however I share his conviction and desire for liberty…
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased a the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
Patrick Henry
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:22 pmMarch 23, 1775
Thank you. What can I say…I studied Labor Law.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:52 pm…tnemom eht ta draobyek ym daer ot drah sti ,satirev ,ereh llits m’I
Comment by heyzeus — June 23, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
Heh. Whatcha doin’?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:17 pmHey there, Zooey! Heyzeus got his magnetic field reversed. Right not he’s fighting trolls on the Cheney thread.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:21 pmOops, that should have been “right now…”
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:21 pmBig Brother Is Watching You.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:22 pmI move to impeach -
By spying on Americans without obtaining warrants, Bush committed felonies under FISA. Moreover, there is strong, indeed overwhelming, evidence that justice was obstructed when Bush and Gonzales blocked a 2006 Justice Department investigation into whether Gonzales acted properly as Attorney General in approving and overseeing the Bush administration’s program of spying on US citizens.
What the hell? Why is there any question about impeachment?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:22 pmDon’t you mean Health and Human & Elven Services? (BTW, there is no more HEW, it’s now HHS.)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I was wondering about that as I wrote it (HEW or HHS…). But alas, I’m a lazy F*#k and my fact-checker was on break…
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:24 pmHi, TROS, the Mets won! Good pitching!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:27 pmHey there, Zooey! Heyzeus got his magnetic field reversed. Right not he’s fighting trolls on the Cheney thread.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Hi Jane. :)
I see, I understand completely…..
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:28 pmHi Zooey….
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:28 pmI was giving a book review about the magnetic poles flipping, and all of a neddus gnihtyreve tnew eriwyah…
Hi, TROS, the Mets won! Good pitching!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
I didn’t know TRoS pitched for the Mets!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmI didn’t know TRoS pitched for the Mets!
Comment by Zooey — June 23, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Yeah, he pitched that basketball really well tonight! :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:31 pmHi Zooey….
I was giving a book review about the magnetic poles flipping, and all of a neddus gnihtyreve tnew eriwyah…
Comment by suezyeh
Uh oh….I’ll go get a magnet from the fridge….hold on.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:34 pmYVAN EHT NIOJ!!
YVAN EHT NIOJ!!
damn polar shift!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:34 pmYeah, he pitched that basketball really well tonight! :D
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Got it in the endzone every time, then? :)
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 pmYeah, he pitched that basketball really well tonight! :D
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Oh, talking about me behind my back, huh?
Yes!!! I just checked the Mets website. ‘Bout time we started winning again.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 pmOh, talking about me behind my back, huh?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
We always do — you just caught us this time. :)
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 pmWe always do — you just caught us this time. :)
Comment by Zooey
I knew it… I knew it!!! That’s it, no more Mr. Nice Republic…
Oh I just figured out what NSA stands for, “No Stinkin’ Authority” as in,
“Authority? We don’t need No Stinkin’ Authority!”
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:45 pmGot it in the endzone every time, then? :)
Comment by Zooey — June 23, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
1st response: Yeah, and when he did, I yelled “GOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLLL!”
2nd response: I can’t speak for his sex life.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:46 pmGot it in the endzone every time, then? :)
Comment by Zooey
Hey!!! I NEVER consort w/ individuals like Bottom Boy or MAF54!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:46 pmFISA itself is unConstitutional.
Once a FISA can exist, as we are seeing, it’s only a matter of time before the rights inherent in our Constitution of each and every American are whittled away.
As I write this, I’m watching John Perkins on C-Span’s BookTV. He’s promoting his book, “The Secret History of the American Empire,” and talking about his past as an economic hitman, working to help the World Bank and the IMF loot third world nations. There is a reason we are hated.
Unless we become the America of our fantasies, all goodness and humanitarian, we ordinary Americans will be the frontline targets of terrorists’ hatred, really meant for the rich fat corporatists that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney live among.
P.S., we’re becoming one of the third world nations that the IMF and World Bank pillage for resources. At $8 billion/mo. for this war on terror, corporations will be selling off our resources just to pay the interest we owe. That’s not only oil/gas in Alaska and on our coastlines, but timber in our forests and water from our rivers, streams and aquifers. Corporations are moving in on our water supplies now.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:49 pmAlmighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!â€
Patrick Henry
March 23, 1775
Would you like fries or onion rings w/ that burger?
Patrick McHenry
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:50 pmJanuary 21, 2009
BTW, I’m back and forth in here, working on some photos for the old blogstead. It’s going to take me a while, I have so many to wade through, and I’m new to this. And I’m not okayed to post them myself on the blog, so I’ll have to give them all to Wayne when I’m done.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:51 pmComment by Jane E. Schneider
And I thought we were all friends here… well, except for m12, and CT V-1, and Jake, and Daryll… okay, some of us are friends….
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:52 pmWould you like fries or oni