Olbermann Fact-Checks White House, Finds No Special Exemption For Cheney
Olbermann Fact-Checks White House, Finds No Special Exemption For Cheney
Yesterday, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino defended Dick Cheney’s claim of existing outside the Executive Order (EO) that governs the preservation of classified data, a directive which applies to all Executive Branch officials.
Dismissing the topic as “a little bit of a nonissue,” Perino said President Bush “gets to decide whether or not [Cheney] should be treated separately, and he’s decided that he should.” She then suggested there was textual evidence in the 2003 Executive Order to support the claim that it was not applicable to Cheney:
PERINO: If you look on page 18 of the EO, when you have a chance, there’s a distinction regarding the Vice President versus what is an agency. And the President also, as the author of an EO, and the person responsible for interpreting the EO, did not intend for the Vice President to be treated as an agency, and that’s clear.
Last night, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann reported that his staff fact-checked Perino’s claim, looked at page 18 of the order, and found Perino’s claim to be false:
OLBERMANN: No exemption at all for the Vice President on page 18. So we emailed the White House, which referred us to section 1.3 — which is about something else altogether — and 5.2 — which makes no mention of the Vice President. In fact, there is no exemption for the President or the Vice President when it comes to reporting on classified material.
Watch it:
Sec. 6.1(b) of Bush’s 2003 executive order governing classified material explicitly states that it applies to any “‘Executive agency…any ‘Military department’…and any other entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information.” Olbermann concluded that Cheney’s defiance must lead to the following conclusion: “He’s no longer an entity of any kind.”
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Perhaps Dick has been promoted to demon, jinn, sprite or, vaporous apparition?
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:14 amVP Cheney has NO right to be exempted from anything. Since Dick believes he is special, and above the law, then Congress must impeach him and prosecute him for crimes against the United States of America.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:16 amPrecisely, Pete. He is an "entity" within the Executive branch, but only in the science-fictional sense of the word.
The only thing that confuses me is why the WH bothers to pretend that laws matter at all. It's gotten to the point where there's just this amused little smirk behind their answers to these questions, like "Come on, guys, we all know laws don't apply to us, but okay we'll go through the charade if it makes you happy." Must get so tiresome after a while, pretending. Not but what the facade is pretty thin at this point.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:21 amWhy Darth hasn't been "exempted" permanently from our lives speaks more about the lack of gonads in congress than anything else.
When they grow some, maybe this country can be taken back from the Dark Side. He and his wife Satan....oops, Lynn, may be the two most evil people living above ground on the planet.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:24 amOlby is so lame .Olby's a stalker to
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:35 am"Olby is so lame .Olby’s a stalker to"
Thanks, "Chris," for that literate and trenchant addition to the discussion.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 amCheney needs to be stopped. He needs to be impeached along with Old Bushies and his admin. They think they are above the law.
IMPEACH NOW!!!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:40 amSix Other Things the Office of the Vice President Actually Is:
Dick Cheney has decided that his office is a free-floating radical in DC, not quite an executive entity, not truly a legislative one, but some unholy Reese's cup of evil. Here's some other ways the Veep has untethered himself from mortal binds.
1. Because his office is not an entity in the executive branch, but actually a Native American religion, Cheney and his staff are free to smoke peyote at the start of every morning meeting.
2. Because his office is not an entity in the executive branch, but actually a breach in the space/time continuum, Cheney is free to enter at will his own dimension, the realm of Cthulhu and the slime beasts.
3. Because his office is not an entity in the executive branch, but actually a motorcycle gang, Cheney is free to beat Senators with chains and blackjacks.
4. Because his office is not an entity in the executive branch, but technically an executive bathroom, Cheney is free to wipe his ass with whatever documents are handy, memos, executive orders, Constitutions.
5. Because his office is not an entity in the executive branch, but actually a freak show, Cheney is free to bite the heads off chickens. And nosy members of Congress.
6. Because his office is not an entity in the executive branch, but actually an insane asylum, Cheney is free to rain bedlam down on the whole of government.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:48 amHe and his wife Satan….oops, Lynn, may be the two most evil people living above ground on the planet.
Comment by upside00 — June 23, 2007 @ 8:24 am
I generally find most people to be good people with the best of intentions. When they do something 'bad', it is usually unintentionally done, or done because they see some greater good in having done so. But Dick Cheney - I agree with you - is consciously bad and corrupt to the bone. The sight of him makes my skin crawl.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 amI don't get it TP. I posted a link with my copied joke from the Rude Pundit. And it wasn't that long, or actually, that rude. Sheesh...
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:56 amand all the other reporters didn't check sh*t. He's a sports guy, they should be ashamed.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:01 amHe is apparently one of the Undead, just as we thought.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:05 amThe DICK is not above the law.
The DICK is part of the executive branch, no matter how much BushCo denies it.
The DICK needs to be impeached.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:26 amTalk, talk, talk. Let's take it to the streets and let them know how we really feel.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 amEnough is enough.
Obviously, our elected officials are just fine with the slow deliberate take over of the USA by this man. Obviously, our president is just fine with abdicating his powers to this man. Obviously, We the People are just fine with obsessing on Hilton, Spears or the Celeb-de-jour instead of ridding ourselves of this man.
What will it take for the Democrats to have the courage to put everything back on the table? If they think not putting everything on the table will get them re-elected, better think again. Ask not what America can do for your party, (damn it) ask what your party should be doing for America.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 amLooks like Airhead Perino is just as sicko as Snowjob Tony! One can only wonder why kind of employment test these jokers get - a "lying-o-meter". The one who can lie the most convincingly with a smile or straight face gets the job???? I presume so.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:35 amKucinich has the wheels in motion for Cheney's IMPEACHMENT. If this sick individual is not impeached, he will turn this country into the necrotic mess not unlike his own aorta.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:36 amI find it quite amusing how Darth twists the laws to suit his devious purposes actually - when he doesn't want to provide information, he cites "executive privilege"; now he's positing that since he sits as head of the Senate, he isn't part of the Executive Branch. Fortunately, this one will call for his head! He's taken things a bit far this time and his doubletalk will catch up with him. Just like it did to Nixon. Cheney will suffer the same fate now. The people suspected that he was a disgusting, devious liar and now they know part of the extent of his sickness......it's over for the Dick.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:38 amBush and Cheney are just daring us to impeach them.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:41 amKaye2: I believe that "party politics" will be the reason for the tanking of this country ultimately. You've got supposedly (operative word here!) intelligent representatives deciding against their morality and conscience (whoring their souls) and in favor of a party line. This means they are nothing more than party robots - and that can be said of our antiquated two-party system in general. The Rethugs have been in power for 12 years now and have finally succeeded in outdoing themselves and destroying this democracy.
IT IS TIME FOR A THIRD PARTY TO CROP UP AND IT WILL NOW THAT BLOOMBERG SEEMS TO BE INTERESTED. And both parties need to be quaking about his entry into the ring at this point. After all, 47% of americans have registered as Independents at this point so this next election is "anyone's game" right now. The slate of candidates for the Republicans is laughable right now (other than Paul); the Dems are holding a close second (except for Kucinich....all the rest have the "blood of our soldiers" on their hands).
The wave of independent voters is swelling, folks.....and will become a tsunami if these candidates do not begin talking about the things that matter most to americans: the amoral/illegal war, the impeachment of Bush/Cheney, and health care for all.....and this has nothing to do with "affordable health care" which is irrelevant when people are on the poverty level of income.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:44 amKucinich has the wheels in motion for Cheney’s IMPEACHMENT.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Do you think it will matter?
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:45 am#18 Sure they are! And where are the ballzy Democrats right now?? Hiding?? Like many who have switched party affiliation recently (myself included) to Independent, we are watching and waiting to see if there are any democrats who have the stones to bring about impeachment charges. After all, it's the ONLY remedy for the obvious self-destruction of this country......and has been for 6 months! Hello Democrats!! Anyone awake there??
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:45 amOKAY and we can expect the indictments when?
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:46 ami am telling you; whenever they throw Perino or Condi in the spotlight, that indicates they are on the defensive. ("you wouldnt hit a GIRL, would you????)
their job is to muddy the waters & confuse the media & public to buy time while CHENEYâ„¢ keeps his dirty work going.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:48 amWhen I spoke of Dem candidates having "blood" on their hands in this war game, I neglected to omit Obama from that illustrious list (frontrunners only). The problem now with Obama is that he choose campaigning over his job in the Senate two weeks ago on the cloture vote of "no confidence" which was a serious mistake. I've noticed that, since that "no show" on Obama's part, his numbers are dropping swiftly. People DO notice things like that because it provides real "clues" as to one's character and although this was a totally "symbolic vote", it was all the more important that Obama, at least symbolically, was there to support the end to the corruption in the DOJ....he failed us.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 amThings are getting pretty interesting.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:51 amKeith's last comment similar to: 'Dick evolving finally into a shadow government within himself' was a good one !
#20 Unbelievable: I only believe that it will matter when someone like Bloomberg picks up the mantra. We've got sheer "wussies" in Congress right now and none of the candidates care enough about this democracy right now (are too caught up in their egos and campaigns) to speak directly to the people by creating a movement for impeachment. Little do they know but that these are precisely the things which matter to the people - empty campaign rhetoric is the next thing to unadulterated bull$hit and everyone knows it.
After all is said and done, we all know that it's not "talking the talk" which gets things done; it's "walking the talk" which does.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:51 amWhat I also find interesting is that although Obama's numbers are dropping and Edwards' numbers are rising, no one from Obama's camp has even mentioned his decision of "no show" for the cloture vote. This tells me that they also have realized that it is a very serious mistake on his/their part and wish it to go away.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:52 amThe President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:53 amLet's face it: The genesis of Tricky Dick II's plan to coup this democracy was hatched some 3 decades ago.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:54 amGood. They can go home now!
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:55 amAfter all, 47% of americans have registered as Independents at this point so this next election is “anyone’s game†right now.
Cool... Just last year people told us Independents that we were insane. :D
The wave of independent voters is swelling, folks…..and will become a tsunami if these candidates do not begin talking about the things that matter most to americans: the amoral/illegal war, the impeachment of Bush/Cheney, and health care for all…..and this has nothing to do with “affordable health care†which is irrelevant when people are on the poverty level of income.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 9:44 am
I sincerely think that if we keep firing these politicians who vote against our will, it will remind them who really is in power - and restebalish a balance in the system that leans towards moderation rather than extremism.
No amount of voter caging or ballot tampering is going to be able to withstand a serious population outrage. The problem I see is that there still isn't enough of an outrage. I hear too many people say that they don't want to be bothered with politics... What's it going to take to get these people interested?
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:56 am#28 The grounds for impeachment have been there for a long time (see John Conyer's hearings and articles) and both Bush and Cheney should be brought up on impeachment charges immediately. The problem is that this Congress is so weak and puny that there is no one there with the strength to do what is their "mandate" under the law.
When there are proven impeachable offenses (high crimes & misdemeanors), it is not the "option" of the Congress to bring about impeachment proceedings; it is the "duty" of the Congress to do so.
The longer congress waits to act on this, the greater will be their own level of personal complicity. The greater the complicity of Congress, the greater is their personal chance of individually being brought up on charges. One would think that there would be enough Congressmen at least concerned about their own hides to realize that complicity is as good as guilt??
Perhaps they're collective more imbecilic than the People thought or could have imagined in their wildest of nightmares??
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:58 amJune 23rd, 2007 at 9:58 am
Unbelievable: People have reached the "outrage" stage and the movie "Sicko" will definitely push them over the edge when they find out the real truth about our healthcare system (or lack thereof as the case actually is).
Just google "percentage of independents" and you will see that last week the number was 47%.....this week it's probably even higher.
Onward and upward! The groundswell of Independent Voters is occurring (Michael Bloomberg just being an example) and will soon eclipse both the Republican and Democratic Parties in terms of sheer numbers.
I'm wondering which party will then become the "third party". I'd put bets on the Republican Party myself.....but who knows??
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 amBushCo clearly decided long ago that they were so far removed from the direct consequences of their actions that they were going to do whatever the hell they wanted.
Do you think I can call up Hutchison or Cornyn and say:
"Hey, the President and the Vice President are breaking the law. What are you gonna do about it?" ???
No. This is a flaw in the system. There simply is no justice for Americans when the executive branch decides to break the law.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:02 amThe Independent Voters will become a force to be reckoned with in the election of 08. I find it fascinating how the MSM appears to not even recognize that 47% of the american population who classify themselves as Registered Independents and then claim to be the mouthpiece of the people. I'd say that the elimination of 47% (and increasing) of any group hardly can be considered to be taking into consideration a HUGE number of people when they assess politics.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:03 amLook at Google News and the number of mainstream news stories on Cheney. At least his current attempt to disembowel the Constitution is getting some media attention. Heck, even FoxSnooze mentions it.
I have no doubt that the wingnut bloggers will be spinning this one like crazy but I haven't seen the excuse seep out into the rest of the world. If I could stomach the Sunday morning gabfests, I bet I'd find out what the spin was, though.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:03 am#8 He and his wife Satan….oops, Lynn, may be the two most evil people living above ground on the planet.
Comment by upside00 — June 23, 2007 @ 8:24 am
I generally find most people to be good people with the best of intentions. When they do something ‘bad’, it is usually unintentionally done, or done because they see some greater good in having done so. But Dick Cheney - I agree with you - is consciously bad and corrupt to the bone. The sight of him makes my skin crawl.
Comment by unbelievable
I agree with you regarding the term evil. I have not used it very often in my description of people but watching these two in action, I can think of no other word to describe their behavior.
If two people ever desrved each other.......but a country (or a world) didn't, they be it!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:04 am#35 And this is precisely the rationale for the public outrage. The Bush Cabal has pushed the envelope of corruption to heretofore "unprecedented heights" for which there may be no remedy. It's certain that when the Exec. branch breaks the laws and is corrupt, then I'd say that the game is over.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 amBush-claims-hes-exempt-too
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 amThe current Bush administration and the prior Repbuglican Congress have indeed destroyed the "rule of law". This is just the latest example of a total and utter disregard for the letter and spirit of the law as it applies to the oligopoly (political and economic) that rules this country.
I have been to many countries in my life. The subordination of the rule of law is one thing that I have observed with most third world "poor" countries. We have seen the ruling elite exempt themselves from the rule of law. We have seen corporations seize control of the legislative process to shape the judicial system (deregulation, bankruptcy law and tort deform) to meet their needs. We have seen the expansion of governmental power to meet a vague terrorist threat (yes Al Quaeda exists - but look at the FBI list of other terrorist threats - they are domestic and left leaning).
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 amEVERYONE has known about Darth's corruption from Day One. This new flap is certainly NOTHING NEW and quite typical of Cheney's MO. However, the people's level of acceptance may be, indeed, shifting. It's clear that both Bush & Cheney (and Gonzo and Rice) have pushed the people to the breaking point. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
Expect nothing....you know what they say about "expectations"??
"Expectations are simply preconceived disappointments"!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:07 amI only believe that it will matter when someone like Bloomberg picks up the mantra.
Or Al Gore? :D
I love what Bloomberg did. Many of us have been trying to give validity to third parties since Ross Perot - but without much momentum, because the naysayers could rightfully point to these people, who were rarely in office or qualified, and say that they were only a vote for the opposition. But if existing politicians who have some clout satrt doing this, I think it could give us the momentum to make some serious change.
We’ve got sheer “wussies†in Congress right now and none of the candidates care enough about this democracy right now (are too caught up in their egos and campaigns) to speak directly to the people by creating a movement for impeachment.
Yeah, all the people we thought would be a good President have turned into the types of candidates we hoped they wouldn't - Used Car Salesmen and Women....
Little do they know but that these are precisely the things which matter to the people - empty campaign rhetoric is the next thing to unadulterated bull$hit and everyone knows it.
By why don't they know? This is what I don't full understand. Sure, they are out of touch with us because they don't truly represent us, but some of them used to be us, and you figure that would strike some chord...
For instance, I haven't been in high school in 23 years, but I can relate to my students because I was once a high school student, and because I can just ask them what they think if I've forgotten. It's not so complicated...
After all is said and done, we all know that it’s not “talking the talk†which gets things done; it’s “walking the talk†which does.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 9:51 am
Yep, and I wish someone would start walking. Even if he doesn't enter the race, the way Al Gore is affecting politics should serve as an example to those who are running. Stop selling yourself and start sellingyour values, ideas and solutions. That's what the winner should do...
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:10 amHaving made a study of kinesiology and "body language", I am wondering when (of if) Cheney smiled last? All I've ever seen, even at celebratory engagements, is that infamous "sneer". His manner of speech is also in synchrony with the sneer. Interesting factoids.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:10 amIt's time to get out the pitchforks, the tar, and the feathers, and give GW and Dick a ride on the rail out of Washingtoon!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:12 amThis tells me that they also have realized that it is a very serious mistake on his/their part and wish it to go away.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 9:52 am
In order for that to happen, he must show contrition, and issue an apology with an explanation. It's our culture. Apologize and all is forgive. Say nothing and suffer the wrath of those who assume the worst in others...
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:13 amUnbelievable: I think it would be the ultimate "dream ticket" to have Al Gore and Michael Bloomberg as the Independent choice, don't you?
Clearly, Al Gore has become the role model for the elimination of "political whoring" which we're seeing in full flagrantia right now with ALL of the candidates.....whoring their souls for the vote!
I believe that Bloomberg's change to Independent as a "statement" and will wake up millions of americans to the fact that there are no candidates in the running at this moment who have not been, cannot be, or will not be "bought".
After all, Gore's becoming the "great american prophet" since everything he said from the need for campaign finance reform (the root of all of this evil right now) to global warming is coming to fruition before people's eyes.
Yeparoo! Bloomberg's switch to Independent will fuel the tsunami of people who cannot be bought by some slick party line any longer. The Independent Party will become the "party of personal integrity".....
so perhaps it's a good thing to begin our pre-election parade some two years before the actual election??? It gives these charlatans a chance to spin out, for all of their personal skeletons to come roaring out of their closets, and most importantly, it gives the people a close-up & personal view of what these critters are really made of.
I'm loving the fact that Michael Bloomberg has made such a loud statement! I'm also loving how Bloomberg's move is tanking the thug, Giuliani's campaign - swiftly and decidedly.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:16 amUnbelievable: Have you heard one peep from Barak's camp as to why he was a "no show" on the cloture vote?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:17 amVeritas--This Yellow Dog Democrat feels you are right. Lord knows how many times in the last few months I have considered changing myself. Independent sounds much better than Beholding (as in Dems/Reps beholding to everything/everybody except We the People).
I used to believe Dems wanted to work for the people, but now I guess all they want to work for is a clean table. And it looks like they don't care if they clean my vote right off their table, either.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:17 amPeople have reached the “outrage†stage and the movie “Sicko†will definitely push them over the edge when they find out the real truth about our healthcare system (or lack thereof as the case actually is).
This time the pre-release slam of Michael Moore has begun... Suggests to me that they really fear him. Look what our 'free' country is doing to him for going to Cuba. Sheesh. Talk about "Communism" LOL
I can't wait to see the movie. I like that he does what the journalists aren't doing. Hitting the hard issues.
Just google “percentage of independents†and you will see that last week the number was 47%…..this week it’s probably even higher.
It's upsetting the extremists on both sides that the middle is going Independent).
I’m wondering which party will then become the “third partyâ€. I’d put bets on the Republican Party myself…..but who knows??
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:00 am
LOL :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:19 amHi Kaye2! For me it was also a difficult move since I've been a Democrat all of my life. Frankly, the Democrats no longer represent what I hold near and dear and their recent failure to do anything to rein in this flagrant corruption in the Administration tells me that there are reasons for their ineptitude which go far beyond simply not having the heft to do the job. It tells me that there is much more beneath it all which may have to do with fear (the fear that the illegal spying program may have some 'goods' now on them) for starters.....a bit of blackmail by the corporations who paid for them - hook, line, & sinker....or just plain stupidity.
Whatever it is, it's becoming clear to americans that they no longer have true representation in Congress. And, although this is a tad more positive than the knowledge that all three branches of government are in collusion against the people, it's small consolation at this point.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:21 amI predict that the White House will next explain that the President had issued a "signing statement" to the EO, exempting Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney from compliance.
Oh, and also exempting them from any oversight, whatsoever.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:22 amI agree with you regarding the term evil. I have not used it very often in my description of people but watching these two in action, I can think of no other word to describe their behavior.
I know what you mean. It's a word reserved for very few. And it definitely fits Cheney.
If two people ever desrved each other…….but a country (or a world) didn’t, they be it!!!
Comment by upside00 — June 23, 2007 @ 10:04 am
LOL! Indeed...
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:23 amUnbelievable: You can bet that when the "big guns" come out as they are about the release of Sicko, they have much to lose. After all, even before this release it's become clear that the triumverate running this country are not Bush, Cheney, & Gonzo. Those running this country, in fact, are BIG OIL, BIG PHARMA, AND BIG INSURANCE. They're the ones who purchased this white house and Congress.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:23 amIs there established law directing record retention earlier that the Bush Executive Order? Surely there must be established government wide procedures that Bush can not rescind, alter or misconstrue?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:25 amThe media has enabled the Rove Administration from day one and are as guilty as these criminals in their assault on our once great country and Constitution. Darkest hour....Ever. Thank you Keith
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:25 amThe use of the term "evil" by Bush & Cheney is clearly projection on their part. The spiritual energy present in this combination far exceeds every conventional evildoer yet known so I know what you mean.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:25 amIn some circles, this level of "projection" is the "you spot it/you got it" syndrome. I find it quite telling how often Bush resorts to namecalling others as "evil", "axis of evil", evildoers". Fascinating how this psychiatric syndrome reveals itself every time.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:26 amI've often said that THE ONLY ones on MSM with the balls to speak the Truth are Keith Olberman and the guy on Wolf Blitzer's show....can't recall his name at the moment.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:28 amWhat's it gonna take, folks?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:28 amHow much more of this must we endure as a nation before this lawless administration is evicted?
The congress is moving at a snail's pace -- write letters, call your representatives, we'll have to take care of this matter ourselves.
Impeachment is no longer an option, it is a requirement; we should make it a mandate -- and we should't stop at impeachment -- these guys are criminals -- federal criminals -- felons.
#52 Bush's famous "signing statements" are simply a way for him to "place himself ABOVE the law" and will be determined to be highly illegal. These signing statements also occlude transparency for a president who says one thing but does another.....aka: lying.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 amThis is a great case of TAPE DANCING.
When the 'executive decision makers' are only concerned with
concealing wrong doing... do they rely on LAWYERS and debates
regarding issues of LAW or the CONSTITUTION.
Currently with our current administration/political leaders((???).
We are more concerned about CYA than doing what is RIGHT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and the WORLD.
In this case we have the FOX (Buxh and his Cronies) guarding the hen house. (The United States People and the Constitution of the United States.)
FYI... one of the favorite foods of a FOX is poultry... So these guys are
guarding ?????.. They have only their own interests at heart.
What is Cheney and BUSH hiding...
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 amHey Marie! How are you? Good post, as always! Yes, I'm wondering what it will take myself? I wouldn't have thought the threshold of the average american for this level of corruption would be so low myself.
Be that as it may, the groundswell of Independents will continue to take hold and soon the Dems may actually realize that their lack of stature and ability to accomplish anything at all is part of the reason for people switching their affiliation. Then again, perhaps they're not smart enough to realize it or dabbling in self-delusion themselves.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:32 amI think it would be the ultimate “dream ticket†to have Al Gore and Michael Bloomberg as the Independent choice, don’t you?
I don't know Bloomberg that well, but after what he did, I plan to learn more.
Gore could run with LIEberman again and I'd still vote for him :D I just think he's by far and away the best person for the job. And many conservatives agree...
Clearly, Al Gore has become the role model for the elimination of “political whoring†which we’re seeing in full flagrantia right now with ALL of the candidates…..whoring their souls for the vote!
That he has! The way he's acting is much more Presidential than anyone else in the race...
I believe that Bloomberg’s change to Independent as a “statement†and will wake up millions of americans to the fact that there are no candidates in the running at this moment who have not been, cannot be, or will not be “boughtâ€.
I sure hope so.
After all, Gore’s becoming the “great american prophet†since everything he said from the need for campaign finance reform (the root of all of this evil right now) to global warming is coming to fruition before people’s eyes.
I personally don't get the people who want a President who isn't like that... Which is how Bush became Bush. A leader should be smarter than the average citizen...
The Independent Party will become the “party of personal integrityâ€â€¦..
Wouldn't that be nice... :D
so perhaps it’s a good thing to begin our pre-election parade some two years before the actual election??? It gives these charlatans a chance to spin out, for all of their personal skeletons to come roaring out of their closets, and most importantly, it gives the people a close-up & personal view of what these critters are really made of.
Yeah, it seems so... I know that no one is perfect, but giving us the chance to see what these people are really made of under pressure has been interesting.
I’m also loving how Bloomberg’s move is tanking the thug, Giuliani’s campaign - swiftly and decidedly.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:16 am
No kidding.
Have you heard one peep from Barak’s camp as to why he was a “no show†on the cloture vote?
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:17 am
Nope. But he better address it, or it could be to him what that silly screech was to Howard Dean. And I think it's too bad because of all the candidates last year, Dean is the better leader, and of all the current candidates this year, Obama is. I'd hate to see him axed for something that might have a rational explanation... Because he is one of the best choices we currently have.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:34 amVeritas, I think his last name is Mccaffrey. Not sure, but he's on target wjth a wonderful dose of humor...And by the way, how DUMB can this 28% be?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 am#62 You're right! Let's face it: Team Bush has this country so mired in corruption that it will be eons before this government can focus on anything substantial in terms of "righting the sinking ship".
This is precisely why the people are circumventing the government proper right now and registering as Independents. Soon the groundswell will be strong enough to make it's own "people statement" for the return of integrity to government. Clearly, the Dems are not listening to the mandate they received from the people during the MidTerms for which the people will show no mercy.
The People will be heard regardless of who's listening (or not as the case actually is) in Congress right now. The power of the people will not be snuffed out easily. This "third party" grassroots movement is taking hold and will soon become the "party of choice and integrity".
The People will thumb their noses at the sycophants in Congress and let them know that we will preserve this democracy of ours with or without them.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 amUnbelievable: Obama's "no show" IS Howard Dean's "scream".
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:37 am#65 It is McCaffrey.....gotta love his stones!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:37 amThe president believes our government should work like this: president breaks law, court says president broke law, Congress vows to pass law to make president's actions legal, president attaches signing statement indicating he will not follow law.
According to the "Project for a New American Century" vision, the façade of government is necessary and the mere appearance of government is all that matters to those acting the part and those watching the theatrics. On one side of the illusory political aisle stand those who will not act on their Congressional oversight obligations because if they disobey their leader, the brain stem known as Rove will smite them down.
Those on the other side of the mythical political divide will not act on their Congressional obligations because they fear that their opponents will call them names. It must be said, though, that while most of the playground bully tactics are indeed merely name-calling, there are at times sticks and stones delivered with the aid of the same obliging media to help pummel into submission those that disagree with Bush doctrine. Case in point is the Swift-boating lie-a-thon that was purchased by the Bush-Cheney campaign of 2004 -- while publicly denouncing it, imagine that -- and perpetuated by a media, which is either lazy, bought off, or simply afraid of the same sociopath with sticky fingers on all of that classified information.
How many laws have to be broken before the president, the vice president, and the "we were just following orders" crowd are held accountable? What kinds of laws have to be broken before anyone in this administration has to answer to the American people, and in this case, to the international community?
The bar for high crimes has been set so high now that for a sitting president to be impeached, he would be have to actually commit an act of murder personally, live and in color, while simultaneously burning the flag, pissing on a soldier's uniform, and singing the national anthem in Persian.
The right to impeach public officials is secured by the U.S. Constitution in Article I, Sections 2 and 3, which discuss the procedure, and in Article II, Section 4, which indicates the grounds for impeachment: "the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."
That is, unless the president is a Democrat; then all he needs to do is receive fellatio in the oval office from a buxom young intern. A Republican president and his administration, however, can basically dismantle the government in a Fujimori-style coup, and their followers -- again, helped along by state-run propaganda -- will simply applaud from under their beds, ever-hiding from the big Osama threat.
Round and round we go, while they continue with the show up on Capital Hill, and we continue to pay our taxes so that the dream of a country no longer in existence can still be had, even if for a fee.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:39 amThis IS in part, the medias fault.
The only reason Perino was able to say such a bold faced lie is because reporters rarely fact check anymore. She thought she could just say it was on some page and that would be that. Because she knew the reporters wouldn't check.
At least ONE checked. But honestly... I didn't hear a single other network fact check her claim.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 amThose running this country, in fact, are BIG OIL, BIG PHARMA, AND BIG INSURANCE. They’re the ones who purchased this white house and Congress.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:23 am
I couldn't agree more. It's why I've been saying for years that it will take an Independent with Independent funds to come in and, without loyalities to the BIG Corporations, be able to rescind "Corporate Personhood". I guess it's why I see Al Gore as that person. His lack of ties to those BIG Industry leaders untethers him from doing their bidding. From what I've seen it applies to Bloomberg as well.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:41 amTo anyone who is fed up with the status quo in Washington, this is what I say to you: Register Independent today and you will realize a lighter spirit immediately.
I've spoken to so many americans who are angry, disillusioned, and disgusted right now and, what's more, feel entirely "impotent" to personally do anything about it. It is to you whom I speak when I assure you that the mere "ritual" of disentangling youself from these two sorry political parties will enliven your american, truly patriotic spirit immediately!
I'm not joking: I've spoken to so many democrat colleagues who have recently done this and suddenly their sense of self-worth returns, their conviction that this democracy can, once again, be one OF THE PEOPLE, as well as their ownership in it....all returns....poof!
It's certainly become a "coping mechanism" for many americans. And, in this way, Independents can feel that they will ultimately elect the "best individual" for the job and not be compelled or seduced by party politics.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:41 amMaybe impeachment and conviction will free the US. taxpayer of the commitment to supply 103 Secret Service agents upon Bush's leaving office. He likes guns, we can provide one.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:42 amUnbelievable: You can bet your' bippy '(a throwback to better times??) that the Holy Trinity is quaking in their boots right now as Bloomberg (a billionaire in his own right without their "blood money") is eyeing the presidency!
This must have the deceitful members of PNAC also a bit nervous. After all, the more people learn about the devious ones in the PNAC (google it and learn more....it's essential that you do) then the more we absolutely know about who the players were in 911 and Iraq War....the Patriot Act and all of the dots.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:44 am#73 I would suspect that the Chimp will need more than 103 secret service employees....he's going to need a good plastic surgeon as well to mask his identity.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:45 amunbelievable
It isn't the middle that is going independent. It is left and center. The right is going Democrat, and the Republicans are soon going to be left with nobody but the nuts to talk to.
America's politics are about to take one heck of a step - Imagine congress with no Republicans in it, with a strong presence in the Greens and Libertarians and the Democrats as the conservative party.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:45 amWhen I say "holy trinity", I am not referring to the Bush Cabal; instead, I am referring to the ones who are really running this government right now: Big Oil, Big Pharma, and Big Insurance.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:46 amunbelievable
Gore/Bloomberg?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:46 amIf Cheney wants to exempt himself from something, please let it be an exemption from photographs of him posted - he is one disturbingly fat, ugly and disgusting son of a bitch.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 amThe People will thumb their noses at the sycophants in Congress and let them know that we will preserve this democracy of ours with or without them.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:35 am
We have to keep reminding everyone that our 300 million out numbers their few hundred every day of the week... And that if we want change, we are the one to make ithappen.
The thing I like about Independents is that it reunites the core of Americans. We're no longer left vs. right, but the middle vs. the extremes... And we can play off of the fact that we know whatthe extremists do... Remember 9/11?
We've spoken about George Lakoff before. He's right - we need to reframe the debate if we're going to win it. And reframe it using NEW terminology, not the old that works in favor of apathy.
Obama’s “no show†IS Howard Dean’s “screamâ€.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Too bad...
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:48 amCongress, in particular, the Republican party of Congress, does not have the courage or the ethics to impeach either the president or the vice president.
Nor does the Republican party have the integrity to reign-in its extreme right-wing that is seeking to circumvent the Constitution and establish for itself a domain beyond the law(s) of the United States.
You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:48 amBruce Gorton: I believe that this will be one of the most exciting times in US history to be alive! It's pivotal and essential to the life of this democracy. I believe that, again, the people will take the only possible route they have available and that is to rebel against this antiquated two party system....AND the electoral college which has been a dinosaur for years! When the people elect one man via popular vote and the electoral college elects the other man (along with hacked voting machinery and the Supreme Court) then we've got a serious problem which is now rearing it's ugly head, unfortunately, and at the expense of the people.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:48 amTo me - Gore/Bloomberg is the ticket "made in heaven" and perhaps the only "silver bullet" we have.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:49 amOne of two things:
1. War coming to American soil. By that I mean essentially the rest of the world applying the Bush Doctrine of preemptive strike to America; or,
2. A sudden and total tanking of the American economy. Imagine the consequences of economic sanctions on the U.S. China would stop funding our debt, meaning we would have to have a balanced budget immediately; the flow of goods into this country would stop, meaning Walmart would no longer have anything to sell, rapid price increases would follow; massive numbers of people would be out of work; the middle class will collapse, eliminating much of the government's tax base; assets overseas would be frozen, encouraging more companies to pull a Halliburton, and move overseas to avoid the sanctions, pulling even more cash out of the American economy. Such a day is coming, should we continue the path we are on.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:50 amIt’s certainly become a “coping mechanism†for many americans. And, in this way, Independents can feel that they will ultimately elect the “best individual†for the job and not be compelled or seduced by party politics.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:41 am
You should say this often... I've noticed that it takes a few people doing exactly this to get the ball rolling. At first, others insult - but in time, as the movement grows - they change their tunes. Keep it up.
By the way, I don't know how you type so fast :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:51 amUnbelievable: Reframing the debate is essential. I don't know if I've mentioned that many of our "new voters" (college students) are becoming Independent....."great minds think alike?". It's clear that there's a "new debate in town" and one in which logical, intelligent, honest people can speak. We absolutely REQUIRE and SOLICIT the input of tomorrow's leaders, our youth. They can revitalize the debate right now if they are included. Let's bring them on board!
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:51 amUnbelievable: Yes, indeed. It bears repeating....and often. As for my typing skills, I've broken records in my youth and still haven't lost my touch...hahah!
As for the Independent issue, Bloomberg just legitimized us and I don't believe that you or I will be receiving many insults now except for the irrelevant, terminally imbicilic and paid trolls, that is.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:53 amBriseadh na Faire
America's economic growth is near to stalling according to the IMF. I wouldn't like to see what it does when that happens - too much dumb money is convinced that America's consumer base fuels the rest of the world.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 amHi Brise! Yes, the Bush doctrine of preemptive strike and illegal occupation will become america's nightmare. This man has irrevocably altered the american landscape and our global reputation. It's going to take a statesman - a man who is internationally respected right now - to begin to undo the damage done by these thugs. Al Gore comes readily to mind for me.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 amYou can bet your’ bippy ‘(a throwback to better times??) that the Holy Trinity is quaking in their boots right now as Bloomberg (a billionaire in his own right without their “blood moneyâ€) is eyeing the presidency!
Good. As Jefferson explained - when the people fear the government it is tyranny. When it's the reverse - it's Democracy.
This must have the deceitful members of PNAC also a bit nervous. After all, the more people learn about the devious ones in the PNAC (google it and learn more….it’s essential that you do) then the more we absolutely know about who the players were in 911 and Iraq War….the Patriot Act and all of the dots.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:44 am
PNAC - makes my skin crawl as well.
I've also compared the Bush Regime to the Nazi Regime and found a number of parallels in their manner for taking over the country. There's some Nazi equivalent for every 9/11, Patriot Act and Iraq Occupation dot that exists.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 amUnbelievable: We are definitely simpatico in our quest for Truth and it appears that we lead parallel lives in terms of our research & comprehension of what's occurring. I would concur wholeheartedly that the Nazi "karma" is alive & well; after all, wasn't Prescott Bush a nazi sympathizer? Dubya's grandfather was selling the "gas" for the chambers, wasn't he? Perhaps the real "gasser" was his grandson who gassed every business venture he's ever touched.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:57 amI predict that the White House will next explain that the President had issued a “signing statement†to the EO, exempting Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney from compliance.
Oh, and also exempting them from any oversight, whatsoever.
Comment by Ken — June 23, 2007 @ 10:22 am
Almost exactly what I posted last night on The Carpetbagger Report.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:58 amUnbelievable: go to http://www.911truth.org if you want some more skin crawling adventures. It's all there if one desires to connect the dots.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:59 amGore/Bloomberg is the ticket “made in heaven†and perhaps the only “silver bullet†we have.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:49 am
You're suggesting Gore run as an independent. Good idea. However, there must also be a groundswell of viable independent candidates for the 1/3 of the Senate that will be up for relection, and every House seat.
The reality is, it will only take a couple of truly independent Senators to control the "swing" vote in the Senate, the votes that make or break a tie. (Lieberman doesn't count as an Independent.)
And, right now, Democrats outnumber Republicans in the House by 32 seats. If 32 seats switched from Democrat to Independent, the Independent caucus would control the House as well.
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:59 amthe guy on Wolf Blitzer’s show….can’t recall his name at the moment.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:28 am
It's Jack Cafferty. He's a hoot, I love his cynicism.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:01 amTo those naysayers who were clinging onto their altruistic roots and/or adequate brainwashing and were calling those who dispute the "official story" as conspiracy nuts, I ask this question: Knowing then what you know NOW, do you still believe that this Cabal is above absolutely "any tactic" to accomplish their agenda? If the answer to that question is "yes", then it behooves you to become informed. As the days and weeks of the "scandals du jour" continue to reach into the uppermost chambers of this administration, more people are beginning to realize that it is definitely a "possibility" and many are reaching the "probability" stage. For those not yet there, I say this: give yourself a few more weeks of in-your-face corruption and you may find yourself suddenly THERE!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:02 amHi Jane! Thanks it's Cafferty and not McCafferty! I love this guy, too. He's a total hoot and makes such chopped liver out of the thugs.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:03 amIt isn’t the middle that is going independent. It is left and center.
Many right of center conservatives are going Independent too. Those who are actually liberal Republicans who are for social programs and against Iraq.
The right is going Democrat, and the Republicans are soon going to be left with nobody but the nuts to talk to.
LOL.
The Republicans going Democrat seem to be the more moderate conservatives. And I think the remaining Republicans are the strict conservatives and the nuts :D
America’s politics are about to take one heck of a step - Imagine congress with no Republicans in it, with a strong presence in the Greens and Libertarians and the Democrats as the conservative party.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 23, 2007 @ 10:45 am
Don't tease me Bruce :D We've been working for that for a long time, and I hope that it's about to come to fruition.
We do have to keep in mind that we need to stay close to the middle - for the reality is that if the pendulum swings too far in either direction, it will eventually be forced back to the opposite extreme that we're currently trying to escape. After all, the neocon agenda is partly a response to the social revolutions of the 70's that went too far...
We can't let the 'power' corrupt us. Because it's ruined many a good intention...
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:03 amand, finally, as it goes in Ecclesiastes: To everything/person there is a season.....and perhaps it's not your "time" yet.... but I feel certain that, in time, it will become your "time" to question and to lead forward.
On that note....off to see the wizard! Hugs to my TP friends! Catchya later!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 amhe’s going to need a good plastic surgeon as well to mask his identity.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:45 am
He's going into the "Witless Protection Program."
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 amThe wheels are coming off the Democratic machine, with angry voters starting to lose patience with the Party's chronic inability to act decisively on any of the key issues of public concern.
In a Reuters dispatch on June 18, Democratic leaders in Congress concede that voters are angry with them for not doing enough to end the Iraq War. They might have added that voters are also angry at them for not impeaching the president or even for moving on Rep. Dennis Kucinich's bill to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney (H Res. 333).
"I understand their disappointment. We raised the bar too high," bleats Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid (D-NV). No Harry. You didn't raise the bar too high. You ducked under the bar, when it came time to act to defund the war.
Last month, instead of cutting off funding for Bush's war in Iraq, Congress passed a measure providing him with over $100 billion to fund it, attaching no strings to the measure-not even any deadlines for starting to withdraw troops. This after running a 2006 campaign on ending the war.
No wonder Democrats and the independents and, yes, even Republicans who voted Democrats into control of Congress last November are furious. "We can only do so much," whines House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).
Americans expected, and still want, the Democrats in Congress to stand up to the White House, not to cave in to it, or to try and "work with" it.
Pelosi and Reid, and the idiots at the party's helm, think that by continuing to do nothing, all the while whining about their own impotence, they stand to gain mightily in November 2008.
They're in for a big surprise.
If they continue the way they're going, they'll lose not only the independents and Republicans who voted for Democratic candidates in 2006, they'll lose the Democrats too.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 amGore/Bloomberg?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 23, 2007 @ 10:46 am
You for or against?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:06 amUnbelievable: I leave you with the adage most near and dear to my heart and soul: Absolute power corrupts absolutely! We're seeing prima facie evidence of it every day, aren't we?
Love your comments - keep the Independent Wave alive!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:06 amWar coming to American soil. By that I mean essentially the rest of the world applying the Bush Doctrine of preemptive strike to America; or,
I hope not, but you're right.
A sudden and total tanking of the American economy. [...] Such a day is coming, should we continue the path we are on.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 10:50 am
That's why I am learning to grow my own food... I think you're right. I think too many Americans are egocentric and unable to see the cracks in our economy. Many of us are doing what we can to educate them, but they still have a relatively tolerable existence, and until that diminished greatly, they will tolerate the status quo, while forwarding emails to tell u sthat we should stop bitching and instead be appreciative of what we have (and then list what we used to have under the Clinton Administration)...
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:10 am(Lieberman doesn’t count as an Independent.) Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Bris, Lieberman doesn't even count as an American anymore.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 amCrooks and Liars has a piece this morning that says NOW the Presidents office is not part of the executive branch either and he is not subject to the rules for the executive office.
And I guess we have to count on the self neutered democrats to whine about it, while our country is in its last throes.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 amI have some advice for Ms. Perino. Get out now while you sill have a soul. Every day you stand there and lie to the American public you lose a little more of our soul. Pretty soon, if not already, you will be soulless like the remainder of the Bush Crime Family. And, if you keep up this lying, your body may just turn on you the way Tony Snow's did.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 amTo further expand on #84. We're up against a form of dementia. I've noted before, the greater the lie, the more fervant the belief of the followers. Orwell noted the mental convolutions necessary to cope with doublespeak, but he didn't understand the biological mechanisms involved.
See: http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/060124_political_decisions.html
There's a scientific explanation for illogical dogmatic thinking. The 30%ers are litterally addicted to their beliefs. And, paradoxically, the more outrageous the lie, the greater their addiction, their belief. For these folks, every pronouncement by the Bush Administration gives them an endomorphic high.
Give them nothing but the truth, and they will experience withdrawl symptoms.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:12 amVeritas, when you come back, go to Wayne's blogsite (my name's the link.) I think you'll like much of his writings.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:13 amThere is a lot of talk about EO(Executive Order), but little attention given to the Constitution.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:13 amWe are governed by the Constitutional laws, passed by the Congress as Representatives of The American People,not the other way around by EO. Perino had it upside down. Cheney is a public servant who is subject to all laws of the land.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Bris, that was an interesting (and kind of chilling) study, wasn't it? Makes you wonder who volunteered to be the guinea pigs in it!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 amGreat post's this morning from Veritas, Unbelievable, Marie and other's.....Veritas, are you refering to Cafferty on the Blitzer program.? That's who I thought of..
May I add my 2 cent's worth....Bloomberg is not someone I know much about except, isn't he the millionair that is now going to be an independent after showing allegence to both other parties.? I find this to be more than a bit suspect...
Obama lost me in some of his remark's awhile back, I thought he was going to be our best hope and he like Hillery lost me with their stance on the war..Not going to get my vote...
There are no Republican's I would vote for and in the Democrat side only Kucenich and Richardson hold promise for my vote....Gore is not running and neither is Olbermen, both would be good choices....
The way thing's stand today we will be very lucky to be able to vote at all..I do not intend to vote for any of the enabeler's we have in the house and senate..
Knowing what we blogger's know is staggering..Having said that I can not see anything but total corruption in our present administration on both side's..How could it be possible we have so much information, our elected official's have even more and they refuse to do what we the people, their employer's demand...
I was hopeful, even after Palosi took impeachment off the table, untill the Dem's caved on the funding bill....It was a classic repeat of republican business as usual with a little wordspeak thrown in to soothe the masses...Well, it didn't work and this little voter of the masses is pissed off and I will not forget...Blessings, we realy do need them now.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 amReframing the debate is essential. I don’t know if I’ve mentioned that many of our “new voters†(college students) are becoming Independent…..â€great minds think alike?â€.
And... reality (and knowledge of reality) has a liberal bias.
I tell my students that knowledge is power so they should get all they can. I hope they are listening...
It’s clear that there’s a “new debate in town†and one in which logical, intelligent, honest people can speak. We absolutely REQUIRE and SOLICIT the input of tomorrow’s leaders, our youth. They can revitalize the debate right now if they are included. Let’s bring them on board!
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:51 am
Until intelligence again becomes respected and favored, we will be lead by the dumb and the blind. I think that the tides are changing, I'm just trying to stay realistic about it :D.
Yes, indeed. It bears repeating….and often. As for my typing skills, I’ve broken records in my youth and still haven’t lost my touch…hahah!
I can type pretty fast - but I can't keep up with you :D
As for the Independent issue, Bloomberg just legitimized us and I don’t believe that you or I will be receiving many insults now except for the irrelevant, terminally imbicilic and paid trolls, that is.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:53 am
They've definitely subsided and been replaced with people who are changing their minds. I do appreciate that from Bloomberg.
As you'll notice, insults don't stop me from following what I believe is the right path. :D Much like you and the others of us here who are in this for the long haul...
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:16 amTHE SHADOW GOVERNMENT REVEALED:
http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52576
Tuesday, October 24, 2006
THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
Documents reveal 'shadow government'
Freedom of Information request puts 1,000 new pages online
"We have hundreds of pages of e-mails from U.S. executive branch administrators who are copying the e-mail to somewhere between 25 to 100 people, a third of whom are in the U.S. bureaucracy, a third of whom are in the Mexican bureaucracy and a third of whom are in the Canadian bureaucracy," said Corsi.
"They are sharing their laws and regulations so we can 'harmonize' and 'integrate' our laws into a North American structure, not a USA structure."
Corsi claims the process is well along the way.
"This is totally outside the U.S. Constitution, virtually an executive branch coup d'etat," he said. "SPP is creating new trilateral memoranda of understanding and mutual agreements which should be submitted to Senate for two-thirds votes as international treaties."
SPP Documents
SPP Response to Jerome Corsi Freedom of Information Act Requests
The following are the documents SPP sent in response to the FOIA request submitted by J. Corsi. As you will see, SPP responded with incomplete documents, in no particular order. We have grouped the documents here in a fashion which should make examining them possible. J. Corsi is continuing to request additional FOIA-released documents from SPP.
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=11
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:17 amWrite Nancy Pelosi and demand that she put Impeachment on the table.
http://speaker.gov/contact/
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:17 amThanks, katie, I'm going to do that now! Enough is enough!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:19 amWe are definitely simpatico in our quest for Truth and it appears that we lead parallel lives in terms of our research & comprehension of what’s occurring. I would concur wholeheartedly that the Nazi “karma†is alive & well; after all, wasn’t Prescott Bush a nazi sympathizer? Dubya’s grandfather was selling the “gas†for the chambers, wasn’t he? Perhaps the real “gasser†was his grandson who gassed every business venture he’s ever touched.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Absolutely...
go to http://www.911truth.org if you want some more skin crawling adventures. It’s all there if one desires to connect the dots.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 10:59 am
We're not so simpatico on that :D I do think there is complicity in what happened, but I don't buy into the conspiracy. I don't think they are smart enough to have orchestrated such a thing. Evil enough, sure - but definitly not smart enough. But let's not get into that. Faiz already deleted one of my posts this morning...
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:21 am"I’ve often said that THE ONLY ones on MSM with the balls to speak the Truth are Keith Olberman and the guy on Wolf Blitzer’s show….can’t recall his name at the moment."
You left out McClatchy News. Pretty much any relevant new information that comes out comes from them. Go McClatchy. It's too bad that the MSM sold their souls to the Republic Party. They are, in a large part, responsible for the mess this country is in today.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:22 amSecuring the American Homeland? We are being told by political leaders and the CFR experts almost daily on the controlled media to expect attacks more violent than the WTC tragedy. No 'maybe' about it! Possibly a nuclear attack! In other words: "We don't know when, we don't know where, we don't know how... but we know something terrible is going to happen".
Securing the American Homeland? No! The Department of Homeland Security in reality is designed to secure total control over the American people who live in this Orwellian newspeak Homeland: Finger-printing, micro-chipping, face scanning, iris reading, DNA gathering, cameras everywhere watching our every move, monitoring phone calls, e-mails and faxes, redefining the very word 'terrorism' so that petty theft or assault in the first degree will be termed terroristic acts. . . and finally, a spy system that has strangers, friends, and even family spying and reporting on one another.
Reorganizing Congress's role in national security affairs? Take a look at the Homeland Defense power structure flow-chart published by the New York Times. You'll see that the restructuring in fact has restructured the U.S. Congress out of the picture. The pecking order starts with the dictatorial president, to his Homeland Defense Czar, to FEMA. Every single department and agency thereunder is connected to FEMA, while in the top left corner of the chart -- off the chart -- disconnected from the entire system, is the U.S. Congress.
"NHSA (National Homeland Security Agency) would be built upon the Federal Emergency Management Agency"
Piece by piece, information is surfacing which makes it clear that the so-called terrorist attack on the World Trade Center was itself the plan of government insiders (many non-elected) to kick off the restructuring of our entire governmental system.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/homeland/phaseiii.htm
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:22 amThat’s why I am learning to grow my own food…
Comment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007 @ 11:10 am
I suggest picking up a book on edible wildlife.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 amJust an afterthought: If anyone wants to know the identities of the "major players" in this war against the constitution, please google PNAC and the Federalist Society. Perhaps we should put these "enemies" on a deck of cards soon? It's always good to know who these folks are. I suspect that in the near future each one of them will require plastic surgery to alter their identities and/or participate in the witness protection plan.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 amUnbelievable: I'll ask you that same question in two weeks and see where you are on it. Besides, what else explains the improbable collapse of Building 7?? As we've come to learn, Building 7 contained all of the Enron files? Imagine that???
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:27 amImpeach hell! Hang!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:27 am...."to everything there is a season....and a time....unto the heavens...."
The one absolute is this: Truth is ALL which truly exists; all the rest is simply fiction. The difficult part and the onus of every american is to personally sort and cull the fact from the fiction.
This is the true path of enlightenment and everyone is on a different footfall on this path....
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 amHere's what I wrote to Speaker Pelosi:
Dear Speaker Pelosi:
With the latest revelations about President Bush and Vice-President Cheney "not being part of the Executive Branch",I know that I speak for many when I say, you MUST put Impeachment on the table. This administration has put American into an intolerable position, and are now claiming that they are free from oversight as they are, apparently, their own branch of our government. This is such a direct violation of the Constitution that it is mind-boggling how any public servant could possibly think such a thing. As you are also a public servant who swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of this United States, it is your sworn duty, regardless of possible appearances of power-grabbing, to uphold the Constitution and begin Impeachment hearings immediately. All of us who love our Constitution are counting on you to do your duty, and will hold you to account if you do not.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 amIs my cynicism showing? See you all later, TP friends!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:29 amShadow Government
March 20, 2002
This is a transcript of a 1991 CNN "Special Assignment" in which the inner workings of the U.S. Secret Government's Dooms Day Plan was revealed. A plan which we are told was initiated on September 11, 2001 as a result of the World Trade Center 'attack'.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/doomsday.htm
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:30 amBuilding 7 contained all of the Enron files? Imagine that???
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 11:27 am
What's harder to imagine is that there were no back-up files in a multi-billion dollar investigation.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:30 amBloomberg is not someone I know much about except, isn’t he the millionair that is now going to be an independent after showing allegence to both other parties.? I find this to be more than a bit suspect…
Comment by Sharon
For the record, Sharon, Bloomberg is more than a millionaire; he is by his own admission a billionaire.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:31 amI myself don't know if he was sincere in belittling his (lack of) chances by pointing that he is a "divorced, 5'7" Jew billionaire from New York." But to me, that sums up a lot. In other words, regardless of his policies, he has these other superficial strikes against him outside of urban areas.
Love your comments - keep the Independent Wave alive!
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Thanks! You too :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:31 amJane: Before I split, I concur with you and applaud you for your effort. Hopefully, Pelosi will develop some hearing apparatus (or seeing apparatus, as the case may be with your letter). Certainly, for Pelosi to have said that impeachment was "off the table" almost immediately upon taking office, many suspicious Democrats (myself included at the time) what WTF?? Certainly, Speaker Pelosi doesn't delude herself into believing that SHE has the choice to take it on or off the table when impeachable evidence exists, does he?
Impeachable evidence becomes a "mandate" of the Congress and not a "choice" as Ms. Pelosi prefers to believe. I'm finding it pretty curious how rapidly Pelosi's voice was squelched on other things though. Blackmail?? Threats?? I wouldn't put ANYTHING past this group of thugs, and that means ANYTHING.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:31 amThanks unbelievable.....I'm heading out for some exercise...."now watch this drive"....hahaha!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:32 amThanks, Veritas, we'll see you later!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:33 amBris, Lieberman doesn’t even count as an American anymore.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 11:11 am
LOL! Good one Jane :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:33 amHey Brise! You're onto something, kiddo, aren't you? All I can say is that people need to do their homework in order to enlighten themselves. Certainly keeping one's head in the sand of altruism isn't going to enhance one's level of existence these days, that's for sure.
Yes, Building 7 is the enigma in this scenario and the "monkey wrench" in PNAC's plot I suspect.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:34 amAnother "must read" for anyone interested in personal homework is "The New Pearl Harbor". Much work is being done by scientists and eye witnesses to bring the truth to light, thank goodness. For, in order to begin the healing journey, we must get to the genesis of the problem....unless/until we can get at that morsel of "Truth", as distasteful as it may be, we cannot begin to propel ourselves forward.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:36 amFor those of you who haven't figured out what everyone of these criminals and would-be oversight agents have in common, it's AIPAC, and David Rockefeller.
Both of these are Brief – important viewing
David Rockefeller – American Traitor:
Founder of Council On Foreign Relations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ensmPJm5B5A&NR
David Rockefeller & Dick Cheney:
American Traitors…
Cheney laughs about lying to his constituents in order to get elected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdxLYuvvbgs&NR
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 amThing of it is: Right now we need to plan what comes next. The right has stuffed up America's economy, it has left you vulnerable and you cannot tackle China head on. Eventually China will get annoyed and will cut you off if America continues to try and make China tow the line.
Sadly, in the relationship between China and America right now, China has the power. You have to realise that and you have to figure out how to take your power back.
The rightwing will always be a threat to be guarded against, they will strive to stymie any efforts you take to fix America because they believe, honestly believe that it is better to hurt America then to allow the opposition to help America.
Look at the trolls saying "He did it too." They are more concerned about what their opponents did then actually running the country. We must not fall into this same trap.
We must politicise our politics. Make no mistake on that. Lapses in judgement, corruption, and outright stupidity must be actively exposed and those who make those errors must be help to account. Poor policies and their consequences must be made clear, it is of no value to leave the fool who made the mess clean it up if it is beyond their will or their capacity to clean it up.
But we must also know that no matter the failing of our opposition, we are judged on what we do. We must work hard to achieve results, and even if our opposition party is made up of idiots who would do worse with the job then we are doing, it doesn't excuse screwing up.
If the liberal cause is to win everyone must win. We must be better then the conservatives, by our deeds and our accomplishments, and the people must always be able to judge liberal versus conservative with honest data.
We will fail frequently in a quest for perfection. We are flawed, we are human and we have no right to claim superiority to anybody - except Valiant Venus - but that will not excuse our failures, nor does it allow us to wallow in the mud caused by them. We must strive to be better then we really are, because that it progress, that is liberalism, that is what we mean by self-actualisation.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 amI believe that Dick Cheney is, in reality, the Goa'uld Lord Anubis. (Stargate fans?)
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 amAs the adage goes: The Truth shall set you free! Now I'm really going...later, guys!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:37 amThanks, Unb! How're you doing? It's a beautiful day here in southeastern NY to be reading such evil news, I'm going to have to go outside soon to shake off this dark cloud of perfidy!
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:41 amHi Sharon,
Excellent post yourself :D
What's puzzling to me is that the Democrats know that we are pissed off by their recent behavior, but they keep doing the same things anyway... Crazy or what?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:41 am"...we have no right to claim superiority to anybody - except Valiant Venus..." Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 23, 2007 @ 11:37 am
I almost snorted my coffee! :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:43 amCheney was running the command center using Ptech software on 9/11 when Norm Mineta walked in on him. Mineta testified before the 9/11 Commission about what he witnessed Cheney do on the morning of 9/11 - and was fired the day after he testified.
I've long thought PTECH was and is one of the keys to the Attacks. They knew our organizational and response DNA, with intimate knowledge of FAA and NORAD procedures, along with foreknowledge of Vigilant Guardian, that combined with the data minining potential available via PTECH's resources, made us virtual sitting ducks.
Cheney is the ONLY CIVILIAN IN US HISTORY to have been designated as the head of NORAD's Command & Control functions - this in the months preceding 9/11.
Coincidence? NOT!
Mineta observed Cheney tracking flight 77 on radar for the final fifty miles as it approached the Pentagon - and did nothing to stop it.
Israel pulled off a real coup: they caught Vice President Richard Cheney in the act of cover-up. Or attempted cover-up. A clever attempt, but as it turns out not so clever.
You wonder why the US stood silent while Israel destroyed Lebanon?
GOT BLACKMAIL?
The Energy Task Force meetings prior to 9/11 (it was later revealed through a FOIA request) resulted in maps of Iraq being drawn up showing which oil companies would control various portions of Iraq's oil following an invasion which was already apparently planned.
You can't very well invade without a PRETEXT. What was the PRETEXT?
On whose behalf was Cheney operating, under whose instructions, and for whose financial gain?
How many times did Cheney meet with BUSH 41?
Follow the money.
Remember Ken Lay? How many times did Cheney meet with Bush 41 & Lay between 1999 and 2002?
Remember the FAKE ENERGY CRISIS that Lay's Enron engineered in the months preceding the 2000 elections that greased the skids for the oil boys to take the White House? All 41's idea.
It was 41 and Lay that engineered the entire palace coup...hell, 41 is the ACTUAL PRESIDENT - just look at his staff - Cheney, Rumsfeld - Rove - and frequent visitor/advisor - Kissinger!
W is the puppet. 41 is the puppet master (still in charge of the CIA) and Cheney/Rumsfeld are the implementers.
As if you hadn't noticed, W is not in charge of anything.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 amI suggest picking up a book on edible wildlife.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 23, 2007 @ 11:24 am
I thought that very same thing after watching a Man vs. Wild marathon. Survival during great depressions is partly knowing what red berries not to eat, and partly in being prepared for having to make that decision...
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:46 amOff topic, but worth a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4gvfNtzcBw&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri7rZ6Bi6C8&mode=related&search=
this is very interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04vWNqhHTfQ&mode=related&search=
You decide:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:52 amUnbelievable, back at ya...I think that's what enabeler's do...Perhap's a better term may be republican light...Any of the present administration and the 110 congress that continues to prop up and allow this to continue should be held accountable..By their vote's or dismissal of the peoples will they are guilty...Just my thinking....Blessings and Thank's for all the great read's today, you are valued..
P.S. Good Morning BnF...Great post's as alway's..To tired to post much today..BTW, the vultures have increased and the dark cloud is huge...Blessings
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:53 amYou for or against?
Comment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007 @ 11:06 am
In favour, as independents. Bloomberg I could see as achieving a lot of good for America on the home front, and managing America's economy is going to take someone with a bit of personal know-how to do it.
Gore will be good for America's foreign policy, and will be able to patch some of the divisions cause by GW. Further, Gore could unite the country while Bloomberg could maybe do something about running it.
Gore's experience as a VP would prove invaluable when dealing with Congress and the Senate. That they both have past ties to both parties will mean possible problems, but comes with the benefit of having allies in both parties.
I don't think they would be great, I don't think they are the best America has to offer, but in combination they would be a strong presidential pairing.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:53 amPerhaps we should put these “enemies†on a deck of cards soon?
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 11:25 am
LOL. Great idea!
I’ll ask you that same question in two weeks and see where you are on it.
Fair enough, but unless there's a smoking gun...
Besides, what else explains the improbable collapse of Building 7?? As we’ve come to learn, Building 7 contained all of the Enron files? Imagine that???
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 11:27 am
My education and professional experience, as well as the subjects I teach are actually Architecture and Engineering. PBS has a great explanation that supports what the A/E community accepts. No offense, I'm just kinda tired of having the conversation about it. It has always turned ugly because some extremist can't handle the fact that a liberal isn't on board with a liberal theory, and resorts to insults rather than a civil debate on the issues.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:54 amWhat is the law on this records subject?
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 amTop executives from the oil industry held secrete meetings with the VP and planned the illegal war in Iraq. The "justification" of this war given by the Bush Administration has been established as fraudulent. So what is the real reason for this unjustified war? Based on what we now know, it is essential that the congress and media have access to all documents from the VP's office. The focus of the congress, the world and the media should be on how this war was instigated from the office of the Vice President of the United States.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 amAll of us who love our Constitution are counting on you to do your duty, and will hold you to account if you do not.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Excellent letter Jane! I hope she hears you...
Iwill do the same as well.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 amSharon, Good Morning! As always, blessings back atcha!:D
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 pmWe must strive to be better then we really are, because that it progress, that is liberalism, that is what we mean by self-actualisation.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 23, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Well said!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:02 pm"I hope she hears you…" Comment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Thanks, Unb, so do I. Maybe she will if enough Americans remind her of her duty. She certainly disappointed all of us when she decided that impeachment was off the table. She should never have done that in the first place, since impeachment is part of the Constitution that she swore to uphold.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:05 pmSo enjoy that nice day for those of us who can’t :D
Comment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
I have a lot of weeding to do in what's left of my garden, which has had to be ignored for too long. Hey, kind of a metaphor for our government! ;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:11 pmI don’t think they would be great, I don’t think they are the best America has to offer, but in combination they would be a strong presidential pairing.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 23, 2007 @ 11:53 am
Who do you suggest is the best we have to offer?
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 pmIt was 41 and Lay that engineered the entire palace coup…hell, 41 is the ACTUAL PRESIDENT - just look at his staff - Cheney, Rumsfeld - Rove - and frequent visitor/advisor - Kissinger!
W is the puppet. 41 is the puppet master (still in charge of the CIA) and Cheney/Rumsfeld are the implementers.
As if you hadn’t noticed, W is not in charge of anything.
Comment by ace
I couldn't agree more, but I couldn't say it as clearly as you have. Thanks.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:15 pmHow many acts of treason (or sedition - if we can ever see what Chaney is hiding) will we have to put up with before something happens?
Libby was convicted of lying to COVER UP TREASON. He was convicted and people scream for his pardon. HE COVERED UP TREASON! By whom? His boss is most likely - the same boss who holds himself up higher than our constitution.
Write your congressperson/senator!! The link for their info is at: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
Nancy Pelosi's email address is: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:17 pmThanks, Unb, so do I. Maybe she will if enough Americans remind her of her duty. She certainly disappointed all of us when she decided that impeachment was off the table. She should never have done that in the first place, since impeachment is part of the Constitution that she swore to uphold.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
I agree. It was taking away the fear of undesirable consequences that keep men like Bush from complete take over of the government. We see that without it, this is exactly what is happening.
I have a lot of weeding to do in what’s left of my garden, which has had to be ignored for too long. Hey, kind of a metaphor for our government! ;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
LOL No kidding :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmYes, Building 7 is the enigma in this scenario and the “monkey wrench†in PNAC’s plot I suspect.
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 11:34 am
So too, are the cell phone calls. The 9/11 Commission Report puts Flight 93 at 40,700 feet when the airphone and cell phone calls began. The cell phone calls were not possible at that time. Maybe in a movie script, but not in reality.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmI agree, its a dare to impeach them. They are daring Congress and the people to impeach them. Wow.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:19 pmWhat is the law on this records subject?
Comment by Gus Smith — June 23, 2007 @ 11:55 am
The law is whatever Bush says it is.
(no, I'm not posting like a troll. That's been the reality ever since Impeachment was taken off the table)
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:21 pmunbelievable
Bill Gates / Feingold. Provided they didn't kill each other in the first week, the combination of their abilities would change the face of the world.
The only downside would be the banning of Apple.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pmBruce,
My thought would be Bill Gates Sr. I met him once, I live in Seattle, and he is somewhat active in charity gigs, and other stuff around here. Great guy really down to earth, suprising as it might sound.
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 pmUnb, please give me the Cliff Notes version as to why WTC 7 came down. I haven't seen anything that made sense to me why that particular building came down. I would sincerely appreciate if you would take the time to do so.
Thanks!
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:53 pmBill Gates / Feingold. Provided they didn’t kill each other in the first week, the combination of their abilities would change the face of the world.
Interesting. I hadn't considered Bill Gates. I honestly don't know that much about him aside from his own fairytale story and his charitywork.
I agree about Feingold. Gore/Feingold was my dream ticket - but neither of them has decided to run fo the job...
The only downside would be the banning of Apple.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 23, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
LOL
June 23rd, 2007 at 12:54 pmI would be all over Gore/Feingold! They'd have my vote in a heartbeat.
I think Feingold is one of the best people we have in government. I call him all the time and ask him to run.
If only we could put people in office with a modicum of ethics! (And no, I don't care who sleeps with whom. Adults make choices. I care about who's screwing ME, a lowly American citizen.)
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:02 pmGus Smith (and anyone else who's interested), here's your answer:
Sec. 5.3 5.2. Information Security Oversight Office.
(a) There is established within the National Archives and Records Administration an Information Security Oversight Office. The Archivist of the United States shall appoint the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office, subject to the approval of the President.
(b) Under the direction of the Archivist of the United States, acting in consultation with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office shall:
(1) develop directives for the implementation of this order;
(2) oversee agency actions to ensure compliance with this order and its implementing directives;
(3) review and approve agency implementing regulations and agency guides for systematic declassification review prior to their issuance by the agency;
(4) have the authority to conduct on-site reviews of each agency’s program established under this order, and to require of each agency those reports, information, and other cooperation that may be necessary to fulfill its responsibilities. If granting access to specific categories of classified information would pose an exceptional national security risk, the affected agency head or the senior agency official shall submit a written justification recommending the denial of access to the President through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs within 60 days of the request for access. Access shall be denied pending the response;
(5) review requests for original classification authority from agencies or officials not granted original classification authority and, if deemed appropriate, recommend Presidential approval through the Director of the Office of Management and Budget Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs;
(6) consider and take action on complaints and suggestions from persons within or outside the Government with respect to the administration of the program established under this order;
(7) have the authority to prescribe, after consultation with affected agencies, standardization of forms or procedures that will promote the implementation of the program established under this order;
(8) report at least annually to the President on the implementation of this order; and
(9) convene and chair interagency meetings to discuss matters pertaining to the program established by this order.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 pmUnb, please give me the Cliff Notes version as to why WTC 7 came down. I haven’t seen anything that made sense to me why that particular building came down. I would sincerely appreciate if you would take the time to do so.
Okay, as long as this doesn't become a feud with those who don't like my explanation...
There were a combination of things - which had to be the case as buildings are structurally designed with redundancy for the safety of the general public.
First of all, there were great seismic loads (earthquake capacity) that existed as a result of the towers being struck and collapsing. NYC doesn't design for "California quality" earthquakes because they are not in such seismic zones - therefore those are not factored into it's structural system.
Secondly, you had immense schrapnel from the tower collapse that destroyed many buildings in that vicinity. It's not as if 7 were an anomaly.
Thirdly - there was fire. Fire doesn't have to melt steel to for there to be structural failure - it just has to compromise it. And it happens at pretty standard fire rates (it's why architects fire-proof steel structures to gain necessary fire ratings that allow people the ability to exit the building in the event of a fire).
There is the possibility, which isn't necessary, but could add to the building's demise, for any pre-existing flaws in the building systems. I don't know if this was the case, but it was possible that an older building might have had some issues that would exascerbate the stresses from the three previous stresses I mentioned above.
Thanks!
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
You're welcome.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:08 pmJane, I just read Wayne's songs and snorted Pepsi out my nose (a most unpleasant feeling, I must add). OMG, to ooo funny!!! Thanks for that (well, sans Pepsi, that is!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:09 pmUnb, thanks for that. One question though, why in its own footprint? From what I have seen of other fires and collapses around the world, I don't think I have ever seen buildings fall in their own footprint like that. There's always beams or sections of conduit and concrete and whatever that building is made of...there's always something still there showing that a building had once taken its space.
I really am curious about this.
Thank you again!
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 pmI just read Wayne’s songs and snorted Pepsi out my nose...
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Thank you, MsJoanne. That is the ultimate compliment to someone trying to be funny. :D
And I'm sorry if I ruined your clothes. ;)
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:12 pmHey, Wayne! Long time no see. It's ok...diet Pepsi won't kill the clothes, but the keyboard is none too happy. :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:14 pmI would be all over Gore/Feingold! They’d have my vote in a heartbeat.
Instead we'll get Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton...
I think Feingold is one of the best people we have in government. I call him all the time and ask him to run.
Does he ever answer?
If only we could put people in office with a modicum of ethics! (And no, I don’t care who sleeps with whom. Adults make choices. I care about who’s screwing ME, a lowly American citizen.)
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
I doubt Washington, Jefferson, Adams or Lincoln could get elected in this day and age, and it's too bad.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:14 pmWhen I call Feingold, they always use the same pat retort that all aides use (I call so many IL lawmakers, as well as Feingold), and that's: "I'll pass that along to him" or "I will make sure he knows how you feel"
I will admit that Durbin and Feingold have great staffers. I was in a fit about how Mark Kirk (our loyal IL Bushie, prick, f*ck rep whom I have taken a personal oath to oust at next election [see below]) has been voting and called his office to ask them about an upcoming vote (especially WHEN the vote was going to take place). They had no clue about the vote that allowed the bill to come to the floor. They had no clue about the bill I was talking about. They had no clue what his opinion was. They simply had no clue. I called Feingold's office right after that and spent 20 minutes on the phone with his staffer as she explained the process of how, what and when. She knew about the bill that had just come out of committee (and not one of Feingold's committees either), and when I got off the phone, I ended with my usual, PLEASE TELL HIM TO RUN! I was blown away by how informed his staffers were.
TPers. I would like your thoughts.
This is my thought for ousting Kirk. I am going to print up a single page flyer with his votes on the war and national security with a header of VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT MARK KIRK and bullet point his votes. I will then put them in the mailboxes of all republican towns he reps (alas, Lake County, IL is very republican). Thoughts, my TP friends?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pmOne question though, why in its own footprint? From what I have seen of other fires and collapses around the world, I don’t think I have ever seen buildings fall in their own footprint like that.
Do you mean the towers? Or all the buildings?
I'm not sure what you've seen, but I've never seen a building fall over. The physical loads necessary to push a large building over are impossible.
The towers were structurally unique, and uniquelly tall. Part of their structure was at the core and part of their structure was along the face (most towers are bays of columns). When each of the planes eliminated an entire face of structural tube steel, they created a situation where the topsof the buildings became severed from the rest of the buildings and acted like immense pile-drivers that actually, due to the increasing speed of gravity, pulverized all the material (which is only about 5% of the building - buildings are mostly air - which is how we occupy them).
There’s always beams or sections of conduit and concrete and whatever that building is made of…there’s always something still there showing that a building had once taken its space.
There were several factors in this case that destroyed these buildings. Usually, there's just one factor such as fire that isn't omnipotent on its own. It's rare to get a situtation with all these variables, and why you can't really compare this situation equally to other situations where there was just one stress on the building.
I really am curious about this.
Thank you again!
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
It's interesting stuff... :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pmThis is my thought for ousting Kirk. I am going to print up a single page flyer with his votes on the war and national security with a header of VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT MARK KIRK and bullet point his votes. I will then put them in the mailboxes of all republican towns he reps (alas, Lake County, IL is very republican). Thoughts, my TP friends?
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
You should probably check with the Post Office about that--when I did some volunteer work for John Hall before the Mid-Terms, I was told that it was illegal to put any flyers into mailboxes. We were told to leave our info at the door. Perhaps if you make up your flyers with a cut-out so that it can hang on a doorknob, that would work. You can also put up flyers/posters on public property; plus, send the info to all of your local newspapers and their websites.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:31 pmThis is it, it's the perfect time. He's finally f*cked up and left himself vulnerable. Congress needs to crawl up his ass with a magnifying glass and investigate EVERYTHING this bastard has done since day one cuz guess what Dicky?
If you're not part of the executive branch then you can't claim executive privilege! And if you are part of the executive branch who the hell do you think you are that your office won't submit to the probes even the president's staff adheres to?!
You're done fat boy, game over. Can't wait for you to get convicted so you'll show the true coward that lives behind that tough guy, let the peasants eat cake attitude and you flip on your boys and Halliburton and sell them out to avoid actual prosecution by federal law enforcement once all the shit that will eventually get you kicked out of office has no choice but to be investigated.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:34 pmThoughts, my TP friends?
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
That's cool that Feingold's staff treated you like the client you actually are instead of the annoying plebe that they have to tolerate (how mine treat me).
As long as you're not associating with or endorsing any specific candidate, I think your ousting Kirk idea is solid. Many people will immediately shut down if you are trying to sell them someone else - but if you are simply telling them why Kirk isn't competent for the job, they might be more inclined to listen.
If Kirk gets kicked out of office, your neighbors will have you to thank for your diligence. Good luck and keep us posted! :D
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:34 pmYour headline is hilarious!
"Olbermann Fact-Checks White House"
Overdone doesn't do facts. He does bluster and rants. He's so afraid of facts that he doesn't allow opposing viewpoints onto his show. He's a pussy who is afraid of his own shadow. His staff probably doesn't understand what they claim to have read.
How is his love life these days?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:42 pmAlas, I understand that Olbermann has a girlfriend. (sigh) I'd apply for that spot anytime.
Truth scares ya, eh, daley?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:45 pm"As long as you’re not associating with or endorsing any specific candidate, I think your ousting Kirk idea is solid. Many people will immediately shut down if you are trying to sell them someone else - but if you are simply telling them why Kirk isn’t competent for the job, they might be more inclined to listen." Comment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
That's how Wayne convinced a life-long Republican co-worker to vote Democratic in the Mid-Terms: he just presented the lies and misinformation that the Republicans have told, and urged her simply vote against them. He did not urge her to vote Democratic (as he is a staunch believer in more than a 2-party system), or for any particular candidate.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:46 pm"How is his love life these days?"
Comment by daleyrocks — June 23, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Probably better than Bill O'Reilly's. What's your point? Did you even read the article? Dana Perino specifically mentioned certain references to back up the WH's claims, references that Keith found not to exist. Could it be any clearer?
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:50 pmdaley, all you can do is rant and whine. When the facts are revealed and they don't fit your limited world view you just stick you fingers in your and drone la la la la la la la la la la la la la ..............I can't hear you. Grow up and gets some balls you wuss. You call yourself an American? Most would call you a Tory. Look it up. You could use a bit of learnin.
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:51 pmExpat, maybe daley will read Camus this summer. (snicker)
June 23rd, 2007 at 1:53 pmHe did not urge her to vote Democratic (as he is a staunch believer in more than a 2-party system), or for any particular candidate.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
I've begun to think that basic human psychology should be a required high school course. It seems to be common sense that the way to make your point is by making it pertinent to your audience, rather than about what you personally want/think/feel.
Glad to hear of Wayne's accomplishments. He has sooooooo many :D
Also glad to see you guys around more... You both have so much to contribute to these discussions.
I'm off to the "ID" thread above.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:01 pmOverdone doesn’t do facts. He does bluster and rants. He’s so afraid of facts that he doesn’t allow opposing viewpoints onto his show.
Actually, I think you have him confused with Bill O'Dildo, the felafel man...
Like him RANTING about the NYT not covering the JFK "terror plot" on its front page.
It DID, of course, and O'Dildo FOLDED the PAPER to HIDE it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:28 pmMaybe you Overdone supporters could point out exactly where in the EO the Vice President's office is covered. The definitions and cross references to the USC don't seem to nail it down the way Nostrildamus thinks.
Does Overdone's current girlfriend get the three pumps and a squirt routine?
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:35 pmYour site is hysterically funny. I write satire as well.
"The troops support congress and want them sent home."
"President Bush unable to seal red state borders as blue staters keep coming."
"Mr. Easter Bunny, Meet Mr. Moderate Palestinian Leader."
Anyway, I would consider it an honor and a privilege if you would add my blog "The Tygrrrr Express" http://www.blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com to your list of linked sites
if you feel the quality is high.
I came across your blog through Michelle Malkin's website, since I enjoy her
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Happy summer.
eric
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:43 pmThree pumps and a squirt is probably more than your boyfriend gets.
Here, try this...from the EO. Try reading it, or skimming it at least, as I did.
NOW, THEREFORE, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:....
Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and, in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal Register; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section. .....
(c) Delegation of original classification authority.
(1) Delegations of original classification authority shall be limited to the minimum required to administer this order. ...
(2) "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President; in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President; or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section.
(3) "Secret" or "Confidential" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President; in the performance of executive duties, the Vice President; or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section; or the senior agency official described in section 5.4(d) of this order, provided that official has been delegated "Top Secret" original classification authority by the agency head.
(4) Each delegation of original classification authority shall be in writing and the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided in this order. Each delegation shall identify the official by name or position title. ....
c) With respect to each classified document, the agency originating the document shall, by marking or other means, indicate which portions are classified, with the applicable classification level, and which portions are unclassified. In accordance with standards prescribed in directives issued under this order, the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office may grant waivers of this requirement. The Director shall revoke any waiver upon a finding of abuse.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:46 pmDoes Overdone’s current girlfriend get the three pumps and a squirt routine?
BETTER QUESTION:
Does O'Dildo STILL call Andrea Mackris while he has a DILDO in his azz?
Oh, right....
He settled the SEXUAL HARRASSMENT suit for an UNDISCLOSED SUM OF MONEY, with the stipulation that she could NOT SPEAK of what he did...
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:50 pmThoughts, my TP friends?
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
GIVE 'EM THE BIRD!
VOTE FOR A THIRD!
http://pickwaynesbrain.blogspot.com/2007/06/give-em-bird-vote-for-third.html
Not a complete primer, but a start.
June 23rd, 2007 at 2:55 pmA thorough tarring and feathering, $5.25. A naked horsewhipping down Pennsylvania Avenue, followed by a public stockading, $300.75. Hanging from a gallows on the White House lawn, priceless!
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:08 pmLIVE FREE OR DIE, AND IF YOU MUST, TAKE SOME OF THEM WITH YOU
GORE/HAGEL....63%..DONE. Daley. Look around sport. You're waaaaay behind the curve.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:11 pmComment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
Great idea - hope it works. Rahm is sometimes too focused on the political side of gov't (yes, that's his job, but...), but I agree with him wholeheartedly on this.
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:46 pmMsJoanne - Try reading the definition of "agency" in the EO, it might help you out a little.
Why is the VP's office excluded from the declassification review provisions of the EO?
Why doesn't that chickenshit Overdone have opposing viewpoints on his show again? What's his excuse?
June 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmWhy doesn’t that chickenshit Overdone have opposing viewpoints on his show again? What’s his excuse?
Yeah, and WHY does O'Dildo CUT THE MIKE off on people who TELL THE TRUTH about HIM and Bush???
And WHY did Bush and Cheney demand people sign LOYALTY OATHS before attending their rallies (even PUBLIC ones)??
Could it be that they are BULLIES and can't stand it when THE TRUTH shows what LIARS, HYPOCRITES, and WAR CRIMINALS they are???
What's THEIR excuse??
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:05 pmWhy doesn’t that chickenshit Overdone have opposing viewpoints on his show again? What’s his excuse?
Comment by daleyrocks — June 23, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Uh, because he doesn't have to? Because Republican righties dismantled the Fairness Act? Because every other talking-head show on MSNBC has their own pet conservatives on nightly? Because he wants his audience to hear the truth?
Pick one.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:09 pmComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — June 23, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
I like your response better than mine! Good points! :-D
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pmDaley, try reading it yourself.
You apparently haven't the ability to discern meaning.
Look me up when you get to the USA Today's 4th grade requirement, then maybe we'll engage. Alas, until you have a brain to engage, this is pointless.
What a f*cking joke.
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pm"Look me up when you get to the USA Today’s 4th grade requirement..."
Comment by MsJoanne — June 23, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Aw, c'mon, you know he can't read, so how can he find out what the 4th grade requirement is? ;-)
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:55 pmHow frightening and disheartening is it when you have people so easily led espousing complete and utter bull$hit?
June 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmDick double dares congress. "Hey Senator Leighey, go hump yourself."
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pmMike, since when does Darth Chaney mince words?
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:46 pmThis just in from the ODQ (Office of Dan Quayle), Your Fourth Branch of Gobmint:
"We'll let the sunshine in and shine on us, because today we're happy and tomorrow we'll be even happier."
This has been a message from the ODQ, Your Fourth Branch of Gobmint.
For updates, please visit Virtual Dick, the current non-entity not in the Executive Branch, and make sure your soundcard is on, so you can Stick Dick in Your Ear!
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:00 pmUhm, Paul, are you sure that the ODQ didn't say:
"You put the left foot in. You put the left foot out. You put the left foot in and, uhm, you can't get fooled again"?
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:03 pmHere's hoping everyone ever associated with this administration dies slowly and horribly.
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:53 pmwho's fact checking Olby??
June 23rd, 2007 at 6:56 pmwho’s fact checking Olby??
Comment by Chris — June 23, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
What facts of his are in dispute? Did he ever direct you to certain places for information that wasn't there, like the WH did?
If I had to guess, I'd say his producers are fact-checking him. I have heard him issue a correction or two. The WH, by contrast, would first deny they said something wrong, then insist that they did say it and it was right at the time they said it, then say you misunderstood them, then say they meant something else but that it should have been obvious they were mistaken, then go back to denying they were mistaken.
Every single announcement from this administration needs to be fact-checked. Every single one.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:04 pmChris, YOU SHOULD BE! If you don't read the links in the article for yourself, you're as guilty as everyone in this government. It's the responsibility of the citizenry to hold accountable the people they elect.
If it's not true, post it.
I read it. Olbermann states specific sections with specific questions. Go to the sections he states an cross check them against what was said. If you feel it's inaccurate, post the section and your rationale. I'm all ears!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:05 pm"He and his wife Satan….oops, Lynn, may be the two most evil people living above ground on the planet.
Comment by upside00 — June 23, 2007 @ 8:24 am
I generally find most people to be good people with the best of intentions. When they do something ‘bad’, it is usually unintentionally done, or done because they see some greater good in having done so. But Dick Cheney - I agree with you - is consciously bad and corrupt to the bone. The sight of him makes my skin crawl.
Comment by unbelievable — June 23, 2007
That has to go for Lynn Cheney as well. Her opposition to academic freedom has the ulterior motive of chasing out academics with a worldview opposite her own. She knows full well that her efforts are wrong but persists in hopes of destroying viewpoints that she opposes and uses her public personna to acheive that end. Of course that goes for Lieberman as well.
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmMsJoanne - The VP's Office ain't in the definition of "agency" in that EO, but then again you didn't bother to use your 3rd grade reading skilz to check the cut and paste job to thought applied didja. Mkay. You sound like an Overdone factchecker wannabe.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:11 pmMake that "you thought applied"
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:11 pmGo away little boy...come back when you can read and reason.
Buh bye.
June 23rd, 2007 at 8:27 pm...to which the Vice President's office responded succinctly, "Suck Cheney."
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:46 pm…to which the Vice President’s office responded succinctly, “Suck Cheney.â€
Comment by CheneysInAlice — June 23, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
Hmmm...I think that you'll like a song parody on the blogsite to which my name links.
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:51 pmComment by daleyrocks — June 23, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Yes, so, Daley, one more time:
WHY didn't Bush and Cheney TESTIFY UNDER OATH TO THE 9/11 Comm??
Because they are WAR CRIMINAL TRAITORS??
Yup...
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:53 pm"WHY didn’t Bush and Cheney TESTIFY UNDER OATH TO THE 9/11 Comm??"
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — June 23, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
Yes, and why did they have to hold hands, so that we could all see their body language. What a frickin' hoot!
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:57 pmCongratulations Ms. Joanne, you can be a star on Keith Olberdouche's nightly echo chamber! You've got the routine down perfectly. Quote from an executive order, ignore who the executive order applies to, and claim you are right. Excellent. You pass the test!! It must be great to be a proud member of the fiercely independent reality based community. Have you talked to a doctor about your condition?
June 23rd, 2007 at 10:52 pmPART 6--GENERAL PROVISIONS
Sec. 6.1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:
(a) "Access" means the ability or opportunity to gain knowledge of classified information.
(b) "Agency" means any "Executive agency," as defined in 5 U.S.C. 105; any "Military department" as defined in 5 U.S.C. 102; and any other entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information.
Now, daleyrocks, unless the President and Vice President are not each an "entity within the executive branch", it looks like the EO must apply to them, too.
For Bush's spokesperson to say that the president never meant it to apply to himself and Cheney is absurd! It would be another case of him deciding which laws and rules he wants to follow and which ones he doesn't. And he constitutionally DOES NOT HAVE THAT CHOICE! (Check Article II, Section 3 of the constitution.)
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 pmand still he sits on his privileged behind and laughs at you. "Look, Lynne, the little people are at it again, aren't they cute in their little poverty stricken way?"
There is no justice in the world and he proves it, yet here you are, typing away. Must be highly amusing for his Lowness.
June 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 pm#18 Sure they are! And where are the ballzy Democrats right now?? Hiding?? Like many who have switched party affiliation recently (myself included) to Independent, we are watching and waiting to see if there are any democrats who have the stones to bring about impeachment charges. After all, it’s the ONLY remedy for the obvious self-destruction of this country……and has been for 6 months! Hello Democrats!! Anyone awake there??
Comment by veritas — June 23, 2007 @ 9:45 am
The Democrats don't yet have sufficient votes to do as you demand. And they haven't yet sufficient votes because of foot-dragging Republicans.
So who do you bash? The Democrats. Pro-Bushit troll.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:37 amThis is the greatest soap on earth.
You could not dream up stuff this good even if you tried. After the Bush administration leaves the white house congress is going to have to explain why this was allowed to go on for so long. I can not wait for that show to start, the finger pointing will go on for years. We should take bets on the excuses we will hear. Bring 'em on!
June 24th, 2007 at 7:21 amTo those of you who endorse Gore...Don't you remember that he was selected by the Dems as presidential candidate? That any candidate acceptable to the dems or republican National conventions are, by that very fact, co-opted.
June 24th, 2007 at 8:31 amI will say this and this only. I've lost all respect for American Governance if Bush and Cheney are not soon tried and punished for their crimes.
June 24th, 2007 at 10:33 amexcellent piece today in boston globe on rising popular tide for impeachment, perplexing reluctance in congress.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/06/24/the_i_word/
June 24th, 2007 at 10:52 amFor Bush’s spokesperson to say that the president never meant it to apply to himself and Cheney is absurd! It would be another case of him deciding which laws and rules he wants to follow and which ones he doesn’t. And he constitutionally DOES NOT HAVE THAT CHOICE! (Check Article II, Section 3 of the constitution.)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 23, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Yeah! Only Bill Clinton gets to determine which laws he gets to follow and which ones he doesn't.
What an outrage!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmAfter the Bush administration leaves the white house congress is going to have to explain why this was allowed to go on for so long. I can not wait for that show to start, the finger pointing will go on for years. We should take bets on the excuses we will hear. Bring ‘em on!
Comment by Joe Blow — June 24, 2007 @ 7:21 am
We definitely need to clean up the mess the president left.
All of those pardons of fugitives, criminals, terrorists and cronies. We'll have to look into the FBI files on his political opponents that he illegally pilfered.
Then we'll have to really scruntinize the firing of all 93 US attorneys (93 is more than 8, right?) And when that's concluded, we'll look into the illegal firing of the Travel office employees.
And when we're done with that, we'll have to start looking into all of those accusations of sexual assault. You know, the assaults that the media aggressively, thoroughly and studiously covered, demanding to know if the president was guilty of assaulting, attacking and even raping women.
And of course, we'll have to look into the National Security Advisoer for stealing and destroying classified national security documents.
And on and on and on.
Yes, there's certainly plenty of incomplete investigative work left to be done on this administration.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:19 pmThe words "Olbermann" and "fact check" in the same sentence is a joke. He couldn't "fact check" the pimples on his ass if he sat on a mirror.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmLaughing at you
So why don't you go and check his facts on this issue then, if he is so bad at fact checking? Come on, back up what you say - or are you just another RW BS artist?
June 25th, 2007 at 2:17 amJune 25th, 2007 at 10:15 am
(sound of crickets chirping)
June 25th, 2007 at 10:15 amTPers get their hard news from Colbert and Jon Stewart or Keith Odormann.
June 25th, 2007 at 11:54 amI'll sure be Glad when Diane Frankenstein gets the Fairness Doctrine reimposed . Then there will be Equal time on ABC CBS NBC CNN HEADLINE NEWS AND MSNBC . the Liberals should not be allowed to Spew their Liberal Neosocialist Babble unchecked in the Future . Then we go after the Liberal Fish Rap .
June 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pmJane E. Schneider you are a Sweet Lady , with a very sharp mind unlike than that Liberal Troll Zooey .
June 25th, 2007 at 12:19 pmLiberal = Hypocrite
June 25th, 2007 at 12:20 pmOkay, let’s look at the dispute and the EO together.
Vice President Cheney says his office is not subject to monitoring by the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Cheney claims that ISOO has no authority to check on how well his office does at classifying, handling and protecting secure, classified information.
Section 1.3 of the EO enumerates who has the authority to classify information. It says nothing about who is subject to monitoring or oversight by ISOO.
Section 5.3 grants ISOO “have the authority to conduct on-site reviews of each agency’s program established under this order.†It also states any agency disputing such access “shall submit a written justification recommending the denial of access to the President through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs within 60 days of the request for access. Access shall be denied pending the response.â€
Cheney’s office submitted nothing. They did not dispute access to specific document or documents; they denied all access, submitted no documents and essentially ignored ISOO. After several years of being pestered by ISOO Cheney’s office responded to the ISOO’s request for access by asking President Bush to amend the executive orders to close the ISOO.
In effect, Cheney doesn’t like the law so Cheney ignores it. After sufficient pestering, Cheney tries to get the law changed after the fact so he can remain exempt.
And this is the ‘Law and Order’ Party? Don’t make me laugh.
At worst, Olbermann can be condemned for glossing over the irrelevance of section 1.3, but he did not lie.
June 25th, 2007 at 6:19 pmYou should allow embedding of your video clips by posting the code.
June 26th, 2007 at 8:06 amOlbermann's wrong
June 28th, 2007 at 12:31 pm