Washington Post Profile Reveals Stealthy Cheney Spies On White House Staffers
Washington Post Profile Reveals Stealthy Cheney Spies On White House Staffers
Today, the Washington Post unveiled the first in its lengthy four-part series on the unprecedented influence and power of the vice president.
Shortly after Bush was elected, “Cheney preferred, and Bush approved, a mandate that gave him access to ‘every table and every meeting,’ making his voice heard in ‘whatever area the vice president feels he wants to be active in.’”
According to the article, Cheney used that influence to bypass key presidential aides and thwart any dissent about Bush’s authorization of the unconstitutional military commissions to try detainees. The Post reports “almost no one” had seen the legal draft establishing the commissions, except Cheney’s closest aides. Cheney then took astonishing measures to ensure that internal objections would not reach the President, even resorting to spying on White House staff:
At the White House, [White House national security lawyer John] Bellinger sent Rice a blunt — and, he thought, private — legal warning. The Cheney-Rumsfeld position would place the president indisputably in breach of international law and would undermine cooperation from allied governments. …
One lawyer in his office said that Bellinger was chagrined to learn, indirectly, that Cheney had read the confidential memo and “was concerned” about his advice. Thus Bellinger discovered an unannounced standing order: Documents prepared for the national security adviser, another White House official said, were “routed outside the formal process” to Cheney, too. The reverse did not apply.
Powell asked for a meeting with Bush. The same day, Jan. 25, 2002, Cheney’s office struck a preemptive blow. It appeared to come from Gonzales, a longtime Bush confidant whom the president nicknamed “Fredo.” Hours after Powell made his request, Gonzales signed his name to a memo that anticipated and undermined the State Department’s talking points. The true author has long been a subject of speculation, for reasons including its unorthodox format and a subtly mocking tone that is not a Gonzales hallmark.
A White House lawyer with direct knowledge said Cheney’s lawyer, Addington, wrote the memo. Flanigan passed it to Gonzales, and Gonzales sent it as “my judgment” to Bush. If Bush consulted Cheney after that, the vice president became a sounding board for advice he originated himself.
Attorney General John Ashcroft “was astonished” to learn he had been pushed aside. “What the hell just happened?” Secretary of State Colin Powell asked upon learning through the media that the order had been signed. “National security adviser Condoleezza Rice, incensed, sent an aide to find out.”
The Post notes, “Stealth is among Cheney’s most effective tools.” The talking points for reporters drafted by Cheney’s office are “sometimes stamped ‘Treated As: Top Secret/SCI.’ Experts in and out of government said Cheney’s office appears to have invented that designation, which alludes to ’sensitive compartmented information,’ the most closely guarded category of government secrets. By adding the words ‘treated as,’ they said, Cheney seeks to protect unclassified work as though its disclosure would cause ‘exceptionally grave damage to national security.’”
UPDATE: Laura Rozen writes, “Cheney will go to his grave like others before him thinking he was a great patriot who should not be bound by the laws of this country, or the laws of war. But even with all that secret extra-legal power he yielded and bestowed for all these years, he couldn’t show success on any front when it mattered.”
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OH MY GOD
June 24th, 2007 at 12:43 amI have a way off topic question.
When it comes to Progressives: (Note I am not placing blame or accusing anyone of anything).
If a pregnant woman is murdered: Is it right or proper to charge the person with 2 counts of murder?
I am asking this question out of a simple search for knowlege and understanding.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:45 amWho the hell is really running this country? Seems we have a bunch of mental patients playing “dress up” in daddy’s pinstripe suits and penny loafers.
WTF is going on?
Ship these terrorists off to Gitmo for “vacation” and start asking some tough questions. Hell…if they don’t want to answer, they think that Waterboarding is no big deal. Try it out on them.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:49 am“I have a way off topic question.”
Comment by Tundra
So, like, have you been waiting in the wings all night, waiting for this?
Go back to CBS and spend some more time on the showbuzz page to gather your simple understandings.
This is not like you, Tundra, to pull a “jake” on us happy folk tonight…
The layers of the Cheney onion are beginning to peel away, and it won’t be long before the world (who actually have always known)America, yes, and even George W. Bush will realize who has orchestrated, manipulated, and conned his way into commanding the resources of our nation for his own profit and greed.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:53 amStealth is one of Cheney’s greatest assets, because he is a Sith Lord.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:56 amSo, like, have you been waiting in the wings all night, waiting for this?
Actually I was playing WOW all day and didn’t hear about it till now.
I suppose I could ask a generic website for the answer or ask true progressives I talk to daily.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:56 amGENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
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Have you noticed this week how Cheney’s name is coming up more and more?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:00 amThe article on RawStory says that Cheney has shredded Secret Service logs and has man-sized safes for HIS documents.
Add the fact that he has been doing stuff behind a ‘clueless’ Bush is even more scary.
The fact that the MSM will not report this stuff is even scarier.
It does look like the Wash Post is doing a 4-part series on Cheney starting tomorrow so maybe there is hope.
This is the only thing the Sunday talkers should be talking about in the morning, let’s see.
Comment by Tundra — June 24, 2007 @ 12:45 am
That’s a tough question this late–my brain is still on the “Former Fisa…” thread that we took over. Ask it again at a decent hour (in the east) when I can think straight! :-)
June 24th, 2007 at 1:02 amSo how many Senators and Representatives does Darth Veeper have to shoot in the face before they move to impeach him?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:05 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Fair enough Jane, thanks, I shall. Possibly find a less public forum for this discussion.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:05 amI can’t wait for Cheney to GO TO HIS GRAVE.
I will DANCE on it, while he BURNS IN HELL FOR ETERNITY…
June 24th, 2007 at 1:08 am“Actually I was playing WOW all day”
Comment by Tundra
Sorry, WOW is… a game?
And, in exchange for such requested information, I will particpate in your quest for information, and simple understanding, and state that yes,
June 24th, 2007 at 1:09 amI do believe a murder suspect should be charged with the murder of an unborn carried in the womb of his primary victim.
Especially if he has a relationship with his victim, and may be the parent of, said unborn child.
Understand as well, that if you are going to further divert this thread down the path of the abortion issue, and away from the subject at hand, which is the evil infecting the top tier of the Executive Branch of our government,
I ain’t goin’ there.
Hope I’m progressive enough for you to engage.
[…] the Washington Post unveiled the first in its lengthy four-part series on the unprecedented influence and power of the vice president.
This administration is unique in reach, depth, and breadth of the areas in which it is utterly incompetent. The only things they seem to be good at is backstabbing their own, and ignoring the law.
As Laura Rozen rightly notes, for all the influence and power the VP Cheney wields, he certainly has very little to show for it.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:10 amAsk it again at a decent hour (in the east) when I can think straight! :-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Yeah, I’m still feelin’ a little goofy myself. Wonder if I’ll have a hangover in the morning, or just bruises that show?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:12 amComment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 1:09 am
Yes WOW is a game, called World of Warcraft.
I appreciate your response and will not further hijack this thread.
Any further responses on this off topic subject that I started shall be ignored as I will not be looking.
Thanks Heyzeus!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:17 amI am asking this question out of a simple search for knowlege and understanding.
Comment by Tundra
No, you are just trying to change the topic. I guess you don’t wish to discuss Cheney’s actions.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:18 amCan’t get Rove, Gonzo is still there, time to for the MOONBATS to fling their feces at Cheney again. Progressives are so predictable. I can’t wait until Mrs. Bill is in the White House again; the VRWC is just waiting to crank up the heat.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:18 am“…for all the influence and power the VP Cheney wields, he certainly has very little to show for it.”
Comment by Gregor Samsa
It certainly is a steady stream of failure, incompetence, and horrific waste.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:19 amWaste of time.
Waste of lives.
Waste of resources.
Waste of energy.
Waste of life.
So how many Senators and Representatives does Darth Veeper have to shoot in the face before they move to impeach him?
Comment by RUCerious
Maybe if we could find one person patriotic enough to give him a bl*wj*b?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:21 amMaybe if we could find one person patriotic enough to give him a bl*wj*b?
Comment by shane — June 24, 2007 @ 1:21 am
For your sake, I hope you’re not THAT patriotic! :D
June 24th, 2007 at 1:22 amI think this would be an appropriate time to lobby your representatives to co-sponsor the Cheney impeachment resolution. Call their offices on Monday and make sure they’ve read the Post article. Cheney’s sealed his own fate. It’s time to pull the plug on this treasonous jerk.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:24 amFair enough Jane, thanks, I shall. Possibly find a less public forum for this discussion.
Comment by Tundra — June 24, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Maybe we could meet tomorrow at the old Onion Rings thread from the other day. http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 06/ 19/ althouses-clinton-obsession/ #comments
June 24th, 2007 at 1:25 amComment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 1:19 am
I agree; this White House is leaving a lot of death and destruction in its wake, by intent or by neglect -whether we talk about the US Constitution, the Geneva Conventions, Katrina, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a long list of other things.
This is the administration that all the room temperature IQ Bush cult followers come here to defend tooth and nail, against us evil “libruls”.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:26 amYeah, I’m still feelin’ a little goofy myself. Wonder if I’ll have a hangover in the morning, or just bruises that show?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 24, 2007 @ 1:12 am
Damn, Barfly never brought the ice!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:26 amActually, I think Cheney could be easily had,
June 24th, 2007 at 1:26 amby propositioning him with a new battery.
Caption:
“What are YOU looking at?”
June 24th, 2007 at 1:28 amCan’t get Rove, Gonzo is still there, time to for the MOONBATS to fling their feces at Cheney again. Progressives are so predictable. I can’t wait until Mrs. Bill is in the White House again; the VRWC is just waiting to crank up the heat.
Comment by beefeater
Says the rightwing NUTJOB Nazi azzhole-licker of TRAITOR Bush the PUNK
Seems like YOU are Happy that CRIMINALS like Bush, Cheney, Gonzo, etc. commit the CRIMES that they do.
Oh, well, when you Nazis are THROWN OUT OF POWER, I hope REAL Americans, VERY ANGRY, come and KILL YOU and ALL YOUR FAMILY.
And send any survivors to Abu Ghraib to be TORTURED.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:28 amSo how many Senators and Representatives does Darth Veeper have to shoot in the face before they move to impeach him?
Comment by RUCerious
The list is on a piece of paper in one of Cheny’s man-sized (which man>) safes marked “Treat As: Top Secret/SCI”.
In all serousness, it IS against the law to classify something unrelated to national security just to keep it out of the public’s view. Add that to the list of “high crimes and misdemeanors” that Cheney has committed.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:29 am#18 Beef
I take it you are one of the 26% that still thinks this crowd in the WH is doing a good job of representing our country?
Could you name just one success of the Bush administration?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:30 amThanks.
“…..room temperature IQ…… ”
Comment by Gregor Samsa
I like that….
June 24th, 2007 at 1:30 amOh, and for all of you faithful Bush cult followers out there:
No, Clinton did not do it too.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:31 amThis is the only thing the Sunday talkers should be talking about in the morning, let’s see.
Comment by trevjr — June 24, 2007 @ 1:00 am
You’re right, all the talking heads should be talking about Cheney tomorrow (today, here). It will be interesting to see if we bloggers know more about all of his transgressions than the MSM. Sometimes it seems like they take a couple of days to catch up, if they even cover these events at all!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:34 amCheney then took astonishing measures to ensure that internal objections would not reach the President, even resorting to spying on White House staff.
This was simply a tactic used to try to claim “plausible deniability.” Bush could then answers questions about it by saying, “I didn’t hear any objections from my staff.” Of course, that’s not because there weren’t any; it’s because Cheney kept hose objections from reaching the president. A dishonest denial in reality.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:34 amFair enough Jane, thanks, I shall. Possibly find a less public forum for this discussion.
Comment by Tundra
I’f you are talking about the body they found today of the woman days away from delivery I believe the murderer would be guilty of double homicide. That is because the fetus is considered full term after 37 weeks.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:34 amWasn’t so very long ago that Cheney was putting in appearances on the Sunday morning “bull sessions”, peddling his spiel, it will be interesting to see how quickly the tables turn…
June 24th, 2007 at 1:37 amCan’t get Rove, Gonzo is still there, time to for the MOONBATS to fling their feces at Cheney again. Progressives are so predictable. I can’t wait until Mrs. Bill is in the White House again; the VRWC is just waiting to crank up the heat.
Comment by beefeater
What exactly would Cheney have to do for you to stop defending him?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:37 amI doubt you will see anything of substance on any of the talk shows…I’m pretty fu(king disgusted with all this bullshi*
Just as disgusted with the do nothing Dems in the congress. I’ll vote for any new Dem running in a primary. We need to kick out all the old timers and start over.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:39 amWhat exactly would Cheney have to do for you to stop defending him?
Comment by shane — June 24, 2007 @ 1:37 am
Well, we know that it isn’t downing “a beer”, shooting a 78-year-old man in the face, sending his friend out to lie to the press and refusing to submit to a blood alcohol test for the police.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:39 amFor your sake, I hope you’re not THAT patriotic! :D
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 1:22 am
I wouldn’t touch him with somebody else’s … you know. I don’t get that close to EVIL.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:40 amI wouldn’t touch him with somebody else’s … you know. I don’t get that close to EVIL.
Comment by shane — June 24, 2007 @ 1:40 am
Shane, don’t be shy. Go ahead and say it. “Hands.”
June 24th, 2007 at 1:41 amI wouldn’t touch him with somebody else’s … you know. I don’t get that close to EVIL.
Comment by shane — June 24, 2007 @ 1:40 am
Reminds me of Jeffrey Ross’s joke at the Friar’s Roast of Rob Reiner, talking about Penny Marshall: “I wouldn’t f*ck her with Bea Arthur’s dick!”
June 24th, 2007 at 1:45 amWell, we know that it isn’t downing “a beerâ€, shooting a 78-year-old man in the face, sending his friend out to lie to the press and refusing to submit to a blood alcohol test for the police.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I’m sure beefbutt would say that the old man stuck his face in front of the shotgun because he’s a progressive just looking to embarass the vp.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:45 amShane, don’t be shy. Go ahead and say it. “Hands.â€
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Actually it would be mouth, that’s why it seemed too graphic.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:46 am“…..don’t be shy. Go ahead and say it. “Hands.â€
(just remember the blue rubber gloves, like they use at Guantanamo)
June 24th, 2007 at 1:48 amComment by shane — June 24, 2007 @ 1:46 am
I try not to touch him with my thoughts. :)
June 24th, 2007 at 1:48 amI wouldn’t f*ck her with Bea Arthur’s dick!â€
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
All those year of watching “Maude” are down the toilet now.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:48 amAw, c’mon.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:50 amI just can’t take much more.
These guys gotta go- NOW.
What exactly would Cheney have to do for you to stop defending him?
Comment by shane — June 24, 2007 @ 1:37 am
There is no low the Bush cultists will not stoop to in the defence of their Dear (mis)Leader.
Breaking, ignoring the law? Invading a country that posed no threat? Holding people and deny them due process? A little torture while they decide what country to invade next? It’s all in a day’s work for these fascist wannabes.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:50 am“…..talking about Penny Marshall…”
Huh, I was was actually kinda stuck on her,
June 24th, 2007 at 1:51 amback in the day,
I mean,
for a TV girl……
Comment by heyzeus
I try not to touch him with my thoughts. :)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
From now on I’m putting on blue rubber gloves before I type his name.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:52 amBreaking, ignoring the law? Invading a country that posed no threat? Holding people and deny them due process? A little torture while they decide what country to invade next? It’s all in a day’s work for these fascist wannabes.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Aren’t they still tracking down the Germans who followed Hitler’s orders. I hope these treasonous trolls spend many sleepless nights for the rest of their lives. They’re complicit in the dissemination of the propaganda used by the Administration to destroy this country.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:56 amBreaking, ignoring the law? Invading a country that posed no threat? Holding people and deny them due process? A little torture while they decide what country to invade next? It’s all in a day’s work for these fascist wannabes.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — June 24, 2007 @ 1:50 am
Sounds like a whole lot of impeachable offenses there. So what’s the holdup? Dreamed up charges? No evidence to convict? Gutless democrat party? Rovian mind meld? You keyboard commandos know all the laws, what’s stopping you?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:58 amMaybe I’m just a foolish optimist but the steady grinding away of the layer of sh*t that is hiding the rot of neofascism is really happening. Progressives can’t point to overwhelming change since November, but I am impressed at the progress that has been made. There has been, and is continuing, a steady pressure, ever mounting across the board which is part of the reason for poll numbers like Bush’s 26% from Newsweek. And they are rock steady numbers!
Go back to how we felt prior to the ‘06 election! There was almost universal despair at the state of country and the direction it was going. Today there is a confident hope that things are definitely better and the end to the neocon rule is just down the road in ‘08. With that, however, is frustration and anger that things are not moving quickly enough. That serious damage continues when it shouldn’t and doesn’t have to.
It is frustrating and anger producing to feel impotent in the face of our “legally” “elected” president and the ilk he dragged in with him. We want and deserve a real group of leaders who understand what the Constitution says and means, and will honor their pledge to follow it faithfully.
If this series by WaPo is a real investigative job, it will be one more agonizingly slow step to ridding the world of these evil monsters. The story now is snapping at Cheney’s heels. I think it is a sign of trouble when Laura B is portrayed in the tabloid press, as has been said here. The underbelly is being exposed and attacked (rightfully or wrongfully). Were there “love” for the first family this would not really happen, as it would not sell.
Let us keep the pressure on, and our will to respond to them high. Be of good cheer, folks. The dawn is happening. Let there be light.
To paraphrase:
June 24th, 2007 at 1:59 amThe mills of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small.
I’d love to see Darth Veeper on the talking head shows tomorrow, if you will.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:01 amwhat’s stopping you?
Comment by beefeater
No what’s stopping you? Are you on the payroll or do you just hate America?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:02 amTo paraphrase:
The mills of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small.
Comment by Merlin
Bravo, my mage!
I know this delightful proverb as given to me thusly:
The wheels of the gods grind slow,
June 24th, 2007 at 2:03 amyet exceedingly fine.
You keyboard commandos know all the laws, what’s stopping you?
Comment by beefeater — June 24, 2007 @ 1:58 am
What’s stopping me? If it were up to me, Cheney et al wouldn’t have even made it into the White House to begin with.
Of course, given your question, it seems you think Abu Ghraib never happened, and that Iraq had WMDs.
You’re yet another self-deluded Bush cult follower.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:07 amAnd Cheney will be spit out from the roll of history
June 24th, 2007 at 2:07 amas one of the last
fat greasy greedy examples
of what humans do not want to become.
No what’s stopping you? Are you on the payroll
Comment by shane — June 24, 2007 @ 2:02 am
I can’t get paid for this board, it’s not important enough. I do this one for the fun of it.
Now DUmmieland and KOSco, that pays! Huffpoo, not so much anymore, what a shame.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:09 amAnd Cheney will be spit out from the roll of history
as one of the last
fat greasy greedy examples
of what humans do not want to become.
Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:07 am
Are you making the completely unsupportable claim that Cheney is human?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:09 amNot to mention, beefeater, that the revelation that Cheney spied on White House staffers, and that he pushed aside the Attorney General himself, doesn’t seem to raise any warning flags with you.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:10 am“And Cheney will be spit out from the roll of history
as one of the last
fat greasy greedy examples…”
…of an overdone onion ring.
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
June 24th, 2007 at 2:13 am“Laura Rozen writes, “Cheney will go to his grave like others before him thinking he was a great patriot”
Cheney will go to his grave thinking he was the greatest traitor in world history.
He should get to take that knowledge to the GALLOWS, the dirty bastard.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:14 amEvery generation needs a new revolution!
TJ
June 24th, 2007 at 2:14 am“Are you making the completely unsupportable claim that Cheney is human?”
Well, I am the nice guy….
June 24th, 2007 at 2:15 amComment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:03 am
Friedrich von Logau’s Poetic Aphorisms (Sinngedichte) [1654], Retribution:
“Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small.” (Translated by Longfellow).Â
June 24th, 2007 at 2:16 amComment by Gregor Samsa — June 24, 2007 @ 2:10 am
Gregor, beefeater appears to be one of those ignorant people who feel that the president and vice president are above the law and not in any way, shape or form bound by the constitution to which they swore an oath to uphold. They were lying when they raised their hands, and they’re lying now. Their supporters are too frightened to accept the fact that the leaders they hold dear have been using them to further a corrupt, secret and highly unconstitutional agenda. Had this country not had half its head up its butt in 2004, we could have had a Congress willing to fulfillits constitutional obligation of oversight. We are only learning about all of this now because the Republicans are no longer in a position to aid and abet these criminals.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:16 am“…of an overdone onion ring.”
…you guys crack me up!
June 24th, 2007 at 2:16 amSlightly off-topic, but still relevant. I found this opinion and thought to share it (serious subject, funny piece):
President Bush, tired of the regular business of systematically dismantling our democracy, decided Friday to start breaking his own executive orders for a change.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:16 amBush Runs Out of Laws to Break; Resorts to Breaking His Own Executive Orders
Well, I am the nice guy….
Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Good for you! :D
I wouldn’t be as nice to him as I am to the trolls who visit here!
June 24th, 2007 at 2:18 amCheney is a great man and a great American.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:21 amHe serves as a role model for millions and will be an inspiration for future generations.
BUSH/CHENEY ‘08
June 24th, 2007 at 2:21 amJames Haveman, Executive Director (no relation to poster, honestly!)
Natural Resources Defense Council
Traverse City, Michigan
October 27th, 2003
“the wheels of the gods grind slow,
yet exceedingly fine…”
(Credit, where credit is due…)
June 24th, 2007 at 2:22 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 2:16 am
Like that other IQ-challenged troll, MAF54, who insisted that popular demonstrations, protests are actually anti-democratic (??).
These people’s minds are so twisted they believe an autocratic ruler is what a democracy is about.
No accountability, no taking responsibility -unless they’re talking about the too old, too poor, too young, or too sick to fend for themselves. Disgusting little sociopaths.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:22 am#60 Comment by beefeater — June 24, 2007 @ 2:09 am
I can’t get paid for this board, it’s not important enough. I do this one for the fun of it.
Now DUmmieland and KOSco, that pays! Huffpoo, not so much anymore, what a shame.
You lie like a bear rug at the feet of Prick Chainy. There is no way a troll like you would last three posts on the Daily Kos. So the rest of your posts are then revealed for the trash they are.
You, like the other smelly trolls are a pure laughingstock to me. Time for you to go back to the troll locker room at the West Hollywood Gym for Men and commiserate (look that word up if it confuses you) before you go back to sleep under the bridge.
Pssst… Aren’t you out a bit late trollie? You know VV will be very angry if you aren’t there for headcout.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:26 amCheney is a great man and a great American.
He serves as a role model for millions and will be an inspiration for future generations.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 2:21 am
Of what?? Cyborg criminals?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:27 am“BUSH/CHENEY ‘08″
Yeah, you crack me up too, primo…..
I have a BUSH/CHENEY ‘04 billboard in my neighborhood,
(still up! lazy ass campaign workers, anyways…)
It now has had 5 red paint ballons thrown on it.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:28 amThe red streaks of paint flowing down the face of it are eerily
disturbing.
Prophetic even.
Of what?? Cyborg criminals?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 2:27 am
Yes, and so much more.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:30 amComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 2:30 am
“Much more”, like future generations of law breakers. Of failed empire builders. Of torture advocates and assorted war criminals.
So much more indeed.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:32 amIt now has had 5 red paint ballons thrown on it.
The red streaks of paint flowing down the face of it are eerily
disturbing.
Prophetic even.
Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:28 am
It symbolizes the blood of Islamo-fascists!!!!!
June 24th, 2007 at 2:32 amBUSH/CHENEY ‘08
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 2:21 am
If this could happen, I would take bets that their total votes would be 26%.
Better to run Brownback/Romney ‘08! Now there is a real winner! Pass it along.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:34 amHe serves as a role model for millions and will be an inspiration for future generations.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Yes, master, future generations of pudgy little pasty white chickens in cages who lay on demand, and don’t have the strength to even escape…
June 24th, 2007 at 2:34 amOh, and in post #81 I do not mean that Cheney and Bush are our Muslim masters or anything like that. I mean that the blood from all of the slain Islamo-fascists has splattered back on to the faces of our two brave and honorable leaders.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:35 amImagine that “our†president is now known as “The Shrub†Think about that. These criminals need to go NOW
GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY! GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY!
June 24th, 2007 at 2:35 amGENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY! GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY!
GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY! GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY!
GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY! GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY!
GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY! GENERAL STRIKE NOW FOR LIBERTY!
If this could happen, I would take bets that their total votes would be 26%.
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 2:34 am
Votes?
Why would they need votes?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:36 am#78 Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:28 am
I have a BUSH/CHENEY ‘04 billboard in my neighborhood,
(still up! lazy ass campaign workers, anyways…)
Fascist hopefulls maybe?
What town is this, that is so “with it?”
June 24th, 2007 at 2:37 am#86 Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 2:36 am
Votes?
Why would they need votes?
If not, then why advertise the fraud.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:39 amIt symbolizes the blood of Islamo-fascists!!!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Not in my neighborhood, pretty boy,
my people are warriors, and follow a warriors creed,
not the greed of the machine…..
we have suffered great losses because of these two mens greed,
these two greedy men, one clever, the other pliant……
and to preemptively put it, I’m an old white guy.
Just so you know who you are up against.
Son.
(Geeez, the kids these days…….
June 24th, 2007 at 2:41 amIf not, then why advertise the fraud.
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 2:39 am
You know… the semblance of democracy.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:43 amFor all those who were either not born yet or to young to understand Watergate and the crimes of President Nixon you now have your chance. Cheney was a student of Nixon and has used the same criminal laws today. Yes there were laws put in place to make sure the White House could never commit the same crimes. But Americans were to busy voting on American Idol to pay attention. So for 6 year Cheney has been following the Nixon play book and breaking every law set in the Constitution. He will continue because Karl Rove knows Americans will do nothing but lip service. As for the Congress and Senate the media will follow the Bush policy by saying they didn’t do their job. Knowing well that the Republicans still have alot of control and Bush will veto what is legal. Americans have no problem with an Attorney General lying under oath not once not twice but all the time. Great example of our leader of the Department of Justice. Let’s face it we have no Justice System in the United States. Even the Bush appointed Supreme Court Justices are criminals and following the orders of the GOP. The American people have no representation as Bush is the DECIDER OR DICTATOR.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:45 amComment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:41 am
Pretty boy???
That’s a first.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:46 amComment by Jackie — June 24, 2007 @ 2:45 am
Exactly.
See my post #72
June 24th, 2007 at 2:48 amWhat town is this, that is so “with it?â€
Comment by Merlin
Without giving to much away,
it’s a town filled with mystery,
and intrigue, and
awww, what the hell, it’s
“Oh, and in post #81 I do not mean that Cheney and Bush are our Muslim masters or anything like that. I mean that the blood from all of the slain Islamo-fascists has splattered back on to the faces of our two brave and honorable leaders.”
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Whaaaaathe?
You learned good at camp, Primo:
June 24th, 2007 at 2:50 amsquirm,
slither,
slide,
squeal
skate,
sooth
and slip……..
Hehe… yeah, I’m real “stealthy”
June 24th, 2007 at 2:53 amProphetic even.
Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:28 am
We can only hope!
June 24th, 2007 at 2:55 am#91 Comment by Jackie — June 24, 2007 @ 2:45 am
Your points are taken, Jackie. However, you are way too pesimistic. As our history shows, time and again, when it looked the darkest, we brought order to pending disaster. For my view look at post #54. We came closer this time than ever before and in my view we have stopped the juggernaut in its tracks.
We still feel the “Volkswagen Syndrome” as the motor continues to sputter after the engine has been turned off. Don’t mistake the positive progress as having no value. This administration is on its knees and flailing wildly.
Remember
June 24th, 2007 at 2:58 amTo paraphrase:
The mills of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small.
Comment by Jackie — June 24, 2007
Yes, agreed, in toto,
June 24th, 2007 at 2:59 amwith the exception that:
George W. Bush is not,
nor has ever been, (argueably)
the “decider”.
He has been a pawn and a placeholder all his life.
And a piss-poor one at that!
Pretty boy???
That’s a first.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 2:46 am
Well, we already know that you smell nice. ;-)
June 24th, 2007 at 2:59 amcheney the draft dodger, cheney the war loser, cheney the un-American.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:00 amComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
I’m an old white guy.
Just so you know who you are up against.
Son.
So how old are you, old man? Think you are older than the vaunted Merlin?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:04 amHehe… yeah, I’m real “stealthyâ€
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
What you will come to realize, is this:
It is the habitual stealthy-ness,
June 24th, 2007 at 3:05 amand hiding,
and deceit,
that will draw the attention you so desperately seek,
yet will expose,
the fraud
that you speak.
I’m an old white guy.
Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:41 am
Are you older than what Jake claims to be?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:06 amWell, we already know that you smell nice. ;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 2:59 am
Shhh… Jane, not on the Cheney thread… you’ll embarass me.
Hehe… she’s jus’ kiddin’ guys… I really smell like pure evil, death, and destruction!!!
It comes from my RNC Camp training.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:06 amSo how old are you, old man? Think you are older than the vaunted Merlin?
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007
No way, man,
June 24th, 2007 at 3:07 amI’m just a lowly apprentice…….;)
Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 3:05 am
You just haven’t seen my stealthitude skillz yet… hehehe
June 24th, 2007 at 3:08 amAre you older than what Jake claims to be?
Oh, lord no, I’m not a geezer or anything….
June 24th, 2007 at 3:10 amor,
well,
at least I don’t believe I’m getting old,
or anything like that,
you know…….
You just haven’t seen my stealthitude skillz yet… hehehe
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
You would never see mine.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:13 amSuch self importance from a sociopathic, lying, treasonous son of a bitch.
Ah, the Hague awaits!
June 24th, 2007 at 3:14 amComment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 3:10 am
C’mon, give us a number — I’ll go first: I’m 51, are you older than I am?
——————
Hehe… she’s jus’ kiddin’ guys… I really smell like pure evil, death, and destruction!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 3:06 am
Er, right, HE REALLY STINKS, horrible, REALLY fearsome smell, makes you wanna puke when you smell him! (Is that better?)
June 24th, 2007 at 3:16 amComment by MsJoanne — June 24, 2007 @ 3:14 am
Hey, you’re still up, too, huh? I’ve got to stop this, I’m too old to lose so much sleep! ;-)
June 24th, 2007 at 3:17 amSo how old are you, old man? Think you are older than the vaunted Merlin?
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007
No way, man,
I’m just a lowly apprentice…….;)
Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 3:07 am
Darn! I thought I could win another cup of coffee here. Must admit, you would make a great apprentice. You do great here. I enjoy reading your thoughts.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:19 amEr, right, HE REALLY STINKS, horrible, REALLY fearsome smell, makes you wanna puke when you smell him! (Is that better?)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 3:16 am
Well, I was kinda hopin’ you’d say I smelled like Cheney… but I guess this is close enough.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:20 am#110 Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 3:16 am
C’mon, give us a number — I’ll go first: I’m 51, are you older than I am?
I love communicating with really young people. Ah could yo Daddy. Numbers? OK. Of course this is not news. I’m 71.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:24 amWell, I was kinda hopin’ you’d say I smelled like Cheney… but I guess this is close enough.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 3:20 am
Actually, I was originally going to say that you smelled like Fred Thompson!
June 24th, 2007 at 3:24 amI’m 71.
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 3:24 am
My compliments, sir! You don’t sound a day older than 30 :-) I hope that I’m still blogging (or whatever it will be) 20 years from now!
Now, c’mon, heyzeus, your turn.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:30 amActually, I was originally going to say that you smelled like Fred Thompson!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 3:24 am
Ahh… that would be a dream…
June 24th, 2007 at 3:32 amLATE BREAKING TROLL NEWS
Researchers at the Troll Study Institute report that they have found the genetic defect behind the bizarre things they say.
It was noted that their feet smell and their noses run.
The conclusion seems obvious now.
They are built upside down.
FILM AT 11
June 24th, 2007 at 3:36 amAhh… that would be a dream…
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 3:32 am
Yeah, a really, really bad dream. :-O
Heyzeus, I have to go to bed, are you going to ‘fess up! Or are you too shy? Are you blushing like The Republic of Stupidity?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:36 amHere, I’ll even say my age: 24.
Heyzeus?
And Merlin, I thought that you were supposed to be, like, 800 years old… you know, being a wizard and all.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:38 amAnd Merlin, I thought that you were supposed to be, like, 800 years old… you know, being a wizard and all.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 24, 2007 @ 3:38 am
Ah, you forget that Merlin’s age goes backward! I will soon be 70. This way I get to enjoy my upcoming youth with the wisdom of my 800 years!.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:41 amComment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 3:41 am
Heh… oh yeah, maybe I do too and I have the wisdom of millenia in my mind.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:49 amAh, you forget that Merlin’s age goes backward!
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 3:41 am
Nice to see that you know the lore behind your monicker, Merlin. I’m a big fan of Merlin and the Arthurian legend.
I think I scared heyzeus away. :(
And, PIP, 24? Hmmm…I’m not sure whether or not to believe you, most of the time you sound older, sometimes, even, more mature than 24. :D
June 24th, 2007 at 3:49 amThanks Jane, well I’m going to bed, I guess heyzeus is not coming back.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:53 amGoodnight, PIP, goodnight, Merlin!
June 24th, 2007 at 3:55 amWhoa! I gotta come out of lurking and join forces with the old white guy, cuz I’m an old white guy, too. I’m an expat in Italy, but have been following with great interest and horror the fascist swine republicans’ systematic destruction of America. And don’t any troll here try to pull Bill Clinton outa his or her ass. I will FOREVER admire the Big Dog’s famous “Listen to me. I did not have sex with that woman…Ms. Lewinski.” Yes, I’m proud of him for lying, because all the uproar was bullshit from the Republicans. And I won’t forget that sissy Lindsay Graham, then a House member, repeating in his ole country boy accent, “Rule of law! Rule of Law!” during the impeachment, which never shoulda happened.
And I can hardly wait for the MSM talking head talk shows this morning. Hey, how about getting Alberto to come on and give us his legal opinion, and another opportunity to smirk when someone suggests he resign? Or the biggest pig with lipstick smeared all over his snout, the top dog fascist swine cocks*ucker himself, deadeye DICK .
June 24th, 2007 at 5:11 amRepublican rule in America has been like a fascist takeover organized by the Keystone Cops.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:31 amGood morning everybody!
Nothing like a morning shift, some coffee and Think Progresss.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:36 amStealth is among Cheney’s most effective tools.
Stealth, fear, ruthless efficiency–and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope…I’ll come in again.
June 24th, 2007 at 7:25 amAccording to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.
The men all underwent at least two polygraph tests each, the lawyer added. He said one of the Israelis took the test seven times, a very unusual total according to several polygraph experts interviewed by the Forward. All failed their tests.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm
http://killtown.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 11/ dancing-israelis-on-911.html
What did Ken Lay know and when did he know it?
When Lay was on the stand and under oath, wouldn’t it have been great fun to ask him all about his meetings with George Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney prior to 9/11?
Wouldn’t it be great to ask him if the faux California Energy Crisis which his company manufactured just prior to the 2000 elections was actually a scheme cooked up by he and Poppie Bush to compel Americans to install some oil experts in the White House? But what was to be Lay’s reward? After all, he was GW’s largest contributor and best friend of Poppie Bush. Poppie never planned on Enron going bust, and that’s when things started to fall apart.
Wouldn’t if be nice to learn the details of how Lay and Cheney were divvying up the oil fields in Iraq on a big map, even before 9/11?
Wouldn’t it be enlightening to hear that Lay knew for a fact that 9/11 was going to happen as the pretext for the war plan which he clearly had knowledge of prior to 9/11?
Why would you sit around countless energy planning meetings dividing up the oil fields of Iraq in advance of 9/11 unless there were a plan in place to make it possible?
Such a plan would by necessity be a war plan, and this war plan was actually in place prior to 9/11.
Surely any good war plan requires at its core a starting point, a trigger if you will that provides a good “cover story” to implement it. Clearly you can’t just go around invading countries without a good reason…you need to be attacked first, then retaliate.
Was 9/11 simply part of the war plan?
Why wouldn’t it have been?
You can’t hit the “GO” button without a pretext.
9/11 was the pretext for the invasion of the Middle East - all by design.
CAN YOU SAY COVERUP?
June 24th, 2007 at 7:35 amAll of a sudden the main stream media is beginning to look at Darth Cheney and his unprecedented power in this White House. Bloggers and the internet, as usual, have been far out ahead of them, while they have been sniffing up on candidates, looking for missing white women, and being concerned about “bear attacks”.
But all of a sudden, the main stream media has caught up with the “news”. Cheney considers himself a government unto himself. That is treason!!! Now BOTH Bush and Cheney have declared they are not regulated by the rules that govern the executive branch, so we have NO executive!!!!! THIS is a true and real Constitutional crisis. This is an attack on OUR entire system of government.
The only remedy, the only recourse is the one that Nancy Pelosi, for whatever reason, took off the table. It is passed time to put impeacment back on the table and get these dangerous traitors out of OUR government.
June 24th, 2007 at 7:42 amAll of a sudden the main stream media is beginning to look at Darth Cheney and his unprecedented power in this White House.
Exactly…why now, why so late?
And I do think it is necessary to take over Cheney’s dossiers by force before the inevitable shredding has been completed.
June 24th, 2007 at 7:47 amConspiracy to Defraud the United States
923 18 U.S.C. § 371
Hass, 216 U.S. at 479-480. In Hammerschmidt, Chief Justice Taft, defined “defraud†as follows:
To conspire to defraud the United States means primarily to cheat the Government out of property or money, but it also means to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful governmental functions by deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest. It is not necessary that the Government shall be subjected to property or pecuniary loss by the fraud, but only that its legitimate official action and purpose shall be defeated by misrepresentation, chicane or the overreaching of those charged with carrying out the governmental intention.
http://www.usdoj.gov/ usao/ eousa/ foia_reading_room/ usam/ title9/ crm00923.htm
June 24th, 2007 at 7:51 amrozen is a moron
she thinks Cheney thinks he’s being some kind of patriot?
Cheney knows with no doubt he is stealing from this country, he knows with no doubt he is dismantling our Constitution
he is a man who HATES government and his purpose is dismantling EVERY successful program that exists
he wants robber baron economics, he DOE NOT want a constitutional government with THREE branches of government and THERE IS NO WAY ON THE PLANET HE THINKS HE IS A PATRIOT
June 24th, 2007 at 7:52 amhttp://www.cnn.com/ 2004/ ALLPOLITICS/ 06/ 01/ cheney.halliburton/
Given what we know about VP Cheney’s direct financial ties to Haliburton, isn’t it clear that he has committed a fraud against the United States for the purpose of illegal financial gain, in accordance with the following statute? Couldn’t the same be said of any US official who knowingly made false statements to advance the cause of war, while owning shares of companies that stood to gain substantially from that war? Cheney was acting specifically on behalf of the Contractor, Haliburton, to ensure no-bid contracts were awarded, based on knowingly fraudulent information generated by his own Office Of Special Plans. It might also be construed that any official who had a relationship to the Carlyle Group was also lying on their behalf - for their own financial benefit.
Section 1031. Major fraud against the United States
(a) Whoever knowingly executes, or attempts to execute, any scheme or artifice with the intent -
(1) to defraud the United States; or
(2) to obtain money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, in any procurement of property or services as a prime contractor with the United States or as a subcontractor or supplier on a contract in which there is a prime contract with the United States, if the value of the contract, subcontract, or any constituent part thereof, for such property or services is $1,000,000 or more shall, subject to the applicability of subsection (c) of this section, be fined not more than $1,000,000, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(1) the gross loss to the Government or the gross gain to a defendant is $500,000 or greater; or
(2) the offense involves a conscious or reckless risk of serious personal injury.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/ casecode/ uscodes/ 18/ parts/ i/ chapters/ 47/ sections/ section_1031.html
The financial links between those who lied, and those who benefitted as a direct result of the lies (primarily in the oil and military industries) are clear. The evidence that the President’s speech knowingly included a lie about the Niger Yellow Cake is proveable in a court of law under oath.
That the Vice President knew for a fact that the claim was based on a forgery in advance of the President’s speech is a given. That he instructed others to ensure that the sentence made it into the speech is also a given. What did the Vice President know, and when did he know it?
Everytime the Vice President knowingly lied to the American People to advance the cause of war, he committed a crime against the United States which both directly harmed other US citizens and directly enriched himself.
Indict Dick Cheney for Fraud.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040216fa_fact
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2003/ 09/ 26/ politics/ main575356.shtml
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2003/ 07/ 20030711-7.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2003/ 07/ 20030714-4.html
The outing of Valarie Plame falls into precisely the same category, as it was specifically designed to ensure that the lead up to war continued apace…
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ news/ releases/ 2003/ 10/ 20031001-6.html
June 24th, 2007 at 7:52 amCorporate fascists took over our government six and a half years ago.
They’re not leaving. They will make sure the next Prez is a corporate fascist too.
They’ve taken over the Dems too, that’s why the Iraq occupation is still going on and impeachment is off the table.
June 24th, 2007 at 7:54 amMineta testifies as to the VP’s actions on 9/11:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
Cheney was in the Washington bunker, while Bush was at the school. He was in command. Scholars for 911 Truth point out
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
that Secretary of Transportation, Mineta Confirm this. Others point out he was also conducting numerous military drills that day that did confuse land workers.
Mineta’s testimony is devastating,” observed James H. Fetzer, Ph.D., McKnight Professor at the University of Minnesota. Fetzer is the founder and co-chair of the scholars’ society, which recently joined with Judicial Watch in calling for release of documents, films and videos, and physical evidence withheld from the public by the administration. “It pulls the plug on the Commission’s contention there was no advance warning that the Pentagon was going to be hit.”
According to Secretary Mineta’s testimony, which is in the public domain, when he (Mineta) arrived at an underground bunker at the White House (known as the Presidential Emergency Operations Center), the Vice President was in charge. “During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon”, he stated, “there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, ‘The plane is 50 miles out.’ ‘The plane is 30 miles out.’
“And when it got down to, ‘The plane is 10 miles out,’” Mineta continued, “the young man also said to the Vice President, ‘Do the orders still stand?’ And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, ‘Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?’” One way to construe these remarks could be that the orders were to shoot down the plane.
The scholars suggest that that is an implausible interpretation. The Pentagon, they observe, may be the most heavily defended building in the world. If the orders had been to “shoot it down,” then no doubt it would have been shot down. Moreover, there would have been no apparent reason for the young man to have expressed concern over whether or not “the orders still stand.” Shooting it down, under the circumstances, would have been the thing to do.
“The only reasonable interpretation of the orders,” Fetzer observed, “is that the incoming aircraft should not be shot down, which would have been an obvious source of anxiety for an aide. Since it contradicts the official story about the Pentagon,” he added, “it had to be suppressed and was not even included in The 9/11 Commission Report.” And other scholars, including Professor David Ray Griffin of Claremont Graduate University, have drawn the same conclusion.
references…
http://newsmine.org/ archive/ 9-11/ norad-faa-response/ cheney-stand-do
http://www.9-11commission.gov/ archive/ hearing2/ 9-11Commission_Heari
June 24th, 2007 at 7:56 amConspiracy to Defraud the United States
So will the Attorney General sign an order to put Cheney under arrest?
June 24th, 2007 at 7:56 amBEFORE 9/11 – CHENEY CREATED A PLAN TO SELL OFF IRAQ’S OIL.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/ 1/ hi/ programmes/ newsnight/ 4354269.stm
BUT HOW COULD THAT BE – WHY PLAN SOMETHING YOU DON’T CONTROL?
STOP.
THINK.
REMEMBER THE ENERGY MEETINGS WITH KEN LAY AND OTHERS?
WHAT WAS THE BIG SECRET THEY WERE KEEPING?
THE INVASION OF IRAQ WAS THE BIG SECRET THEY WERE KEEPING.
THE OTHER SECRET WAS THE PRETEXT.
THE PRETEXT FOR THE INVASION OF IRAQ.
THE PRETEXT.
THE PRETEXT.
9/11.
CHENEY DID IT.
PNAC members became deeply entrenched in many powerful and strategic positions once George Bush was installed as President. Clearly, the plan could now become a reality. But, how?
Here’s how: The PNAC plan openly called for a “transformation” of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination. That was more easily said than done. The American people would have to go along with the idea, and that was a problem, but not an insurmountable one. Read the next line very, very carefully:
“The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event–like a new Pearl Harbor.”
Let that sink in: like a new Pearl Harbor…like a new Pearl Harbor….like 9/11. Is there any question that 9/11 constituted a catastrophic and catalyzing event very similar to Pearl Harbor? Is there any question that the PNAC plan for war against Iraq became feasible only because of 9/11? Is there any question at all that PNAC got its new Pearl Harbor exactly at the right moment in history?
They effectively pulled off a coup d’Etat, by passing Congressional scrutiny, installing the military industrial fascist government they have today. Allied with the globalist elite they are destroying America and the Constitution.
ROLL THEM BACK!
June 24th, 2007 at 8:03 amDavid Rockefeller admits that the media is under his control:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jIKqktiVBvY
And reveals his partnership with Dick Cheney:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pGiRkJqZU9s
who admits to lying to his constituents in order to get elected.
TRAITORS
June 24th, 2007 at 8:07 amGood Morning, TP buddies! It looks like a it was an interesting, productive posting night for all of you. From an external perspective this morning after having read all of your great comments, it’s clear that our little Tundra tried almost immediately to hijack the conversation with a post in the #2 spot regarding the pregnant woman they found yesterday. Good job at stifling their obvious attempt at hijack. It appears that Tundra is coming at us from a different angle than the obviously aggressive Jake et al. It’s not a concern troll MO either. Perhaps Tundra is a “nicey troll” who appears to acknowledge their attempt to hijack as though it is an excusable error and asks your forgiveness for doing precisely what they’ve set out to do; and that is, to hijack the thread. My gut tells me that Tundra is a real troll who is a “mole troll” so forewarned is forearmed.
As for the post #136, everyone needs to do the research (some of the url’s provided by Ace as well as www911truth.org for Cheney’s “timeline” in the war games which were (coincidentally??) occurring on 9/10 and 9/11 which had to do with hijacked commercial aircraft running into large buildings. It was the first time that a “civilian” was placed in charge of NORAD (Rumsfeld). Cheney’s actions during that morning are pretty suspect. And, as time moves forward and whistleblowers continue to provide their eyewitness accounts, the truth shall be made known. In the meantime, (put on your tin foil hats as some of the dinosaurs on the thread say) and do your own investigative digging. Most of the pieces are there and can be found and more are being presented daily.
June 24th, 2007 at 8:11 amhttp://www.911truth.org
June 24th, 2007 at 8:12 amCHENEY AND CHERTOFF PARTNER WITH THE DOD TO CREATE A PRISON LABOR / CONCENTRATION CAMP IN CHENEY’S HOME STATE OF WYOMING.
WELCOME TO “SWIFT LUCK GREENS”:
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=297
Note that in the DHS “Swift Luck Greens†photos, the mine facility is known as the “East Annexâ€
This implies that the main facility is further west of this location.
I believe the “main†facility is the one referred to as the “Maximum Security†facility.
Rag Shoshone coal mine closed Thursday. August 30, 2000.
In 2000 – this was the production rate for the mine:
Tons of Coal Mined in 2000: 1,209,795
Number of Employees in 2000: 67
CYPRUS SHOSHONE COAL CORPORATION
HANNA WY 82327
Latitude: 41.92 Longitude: -106.521944
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Civilian_Inmate_Labor_Program
Wikipedia:
Civilian Inmate Labor Program -
The Civilian Inmate Labor Program is a program of the United States Army provided by Army Regulation 210-35[1]. The regulation, first drafted in 1997 and went under a “rapid act revision” in January 2005, provides policy for the creation of labor programs and prison camps on Army installations. The labor would be provided by persons under the supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
Prison camps
The regulation also sets forth policy for the creation of prison camps on Army installations. These would be used to keep inmates of the labor programs resident on the installations.
In January 2006, Kellogg, Brown and Root reported that they had received a contract from the Department of Homeland Security to expand ICE DRO facilities “in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.”[3] A February news article comments that the “new programs” mentioned could include the Civilian Inmate Labour Program.[4] ICE has “joint federal facilities” with the Federal Bureau of Prisons.[5]
External links
1. ^ AR 210-35 Civilian Inmate Labor Program (PDF) (2004). Retrieved on 2006-03-09.
http://www.truthout.org/ cgi-bin/ artman/ exec/ view.cgi/ 47/ 17936
Read this guy’s take:
http://tinyurl.com/y48vxo
June 24th, 2007 at 8:15 amI believe that eventually we will all conclude that what they knew, when they knew it, what they did about it - the three basic questions for this administration - and, regardless of how complicit “we” were in all of it - the “official story” is full of bunk and bullcrap, that’s almost a foregone conclusion. Kucinich is doing his own investigation with his committee right now because he “smells a rat” in the official timeline and official story. It’s coming and americans will be able to handle whatever the truth actually is. Isn’t it true that over the past weeks and months so much disgusting information has come out regarding the Bush Cabal’s criminal behavior (the war for one in which more were killed now than 911!) that it will not only become a possibility in people’s minds but will become a probability in time to come.
June 24th, 2007 at 8:16 amWhat once was a most unsavory thought or conjecture is now becoming a plausibility, a possibility, and perhaps soon a reality? That’s how the spiritual law of Truth Revelation works. Eventually, as everyone processes each and every wrongdoing along the path, they become prepared to accept and acknowledge the truth…in as ugly and unsatisfying form as it may take.
It’s like the spouse who suspects that their partner is less than honest with them….first they pick up the scent of perfume on their clothing….then they find the smudge of lipstick…..then they overhear a conversation….suddenly, all of the “clues” along the way prepare them to accept the final conclusion. This is precisely what’s occurring right now and more people are concluding, on their own, that something doesn’t add up in the official story. It’s that nagging sensation in the pit of their gut each morning….bringing the inconistencies to the fore constantly….chronic internal cogitation on these inconsistencies….and then the loss of credibility of those who may be responsible. It’s part/parcel of the “discovery process” for every human being. More people are becoming attuned and have discovered via research that things simply do not add up.
June 24th, 2007 at 8:21 amCHENEY’S PARTNERSHIP WITH ROCKEFELLER / ISRAEL, INC. LEADS TO “TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS” FOR THE VP:
It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc., the company which subcontracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a “back door†into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours.
http://100777.com/node/354
KOBI ALEXANDER RAN THE WIRETAP OPERATION FOR CHENEY.
A COMPANY THAT ALEXANDER ACQUIRED IN THE AFTERMATH OF 9/11, ODIGO, WAS THE PAGING COMPANY THAT FOREWARNED ISRAELI NATIONALS NOT GO GO NEAR THE WTC TWO HOURS PRIOR TO IT BEING STRUCK.
NOW CHENEY IS PROTECTING ALEXANDER, WHO IS WANTED FOR SECURITIES FRAUD IN THE US. IS KOBI IN THE WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM, DICK?
June 24th, 2007 at 8:23 amKnowing Cheney’s penchant for unchecked power and control, I do not find any of this new information surprising - I expect it because I’ve seen enough to convince me that this is who he is. It’s disgusting and appalling but is it not something probable? It’s totally within his character to do this. The question is: Is it criminal? And, if so, then let’s get beyond the discovery stage and bring on that divorce! The shame of it all is that we don’t have representation willing to take on the difficult stuff. The People do not have a voice today in their government.
June 24th, 2007 at 8:24 amHey Ace! Odigo, eh? Now that’s a new wrinkle in the 911 theories. Surely there were plenty of people who knew the attack was imminent - among those stockholders in United, etc. but this is a new one even for me. I’ll dig it up!
June 24th, 2007 at 8:25 amSome new questions surfacing are as recent as the 60 minutes segment on the “no fly” list which still (this month’s issue) contains 14 of the 19 supposed hijackers on it? Hmmmm….the one interviewed was visibly shaken by the question surrounding the “why” on that one. I think we all know the “why” and that is because they’ve been spotted in other countries.
June 24th, 2007 at 8:27 amGHW BUSH, CHENEY & KEN LAY.
CO-CONSPIRATORS IN A COUP, WITH A FAKE ENERGY SHORTAGE AS THE PRETEXT:
A couple of weeks before Lay met with Schwarzenegger in May 2001, the PBS news program “Frontline†interviewed Vice President Dick Cheney, whom Lay met with privately a month earlier. Cheney was asked by a correspondent from Frontline whether energy companies