Comments on: ‘Everyone we now fight in Iraq is al Qaida.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:57:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: PRIMVS INTER PARES http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3885282 PRIMVS INTER PARES Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:35:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3885282 Ooooh kay... Ooooh kay…

]]> By: freedomrings http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882715 freedomrings Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:13:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882715 <em>I like it. When do you want to call for it? Comment by leftcoast — June 24, 2007 @ 5:01 pm</em> <strong>ASAP but frankly with a few exceptions and you we don’t have even a handful of people willing to “take it to the streets”. People want to stay home and “comment” there days and nights till the inter web is taken down. Then organization will be harder and slower since we will have to rely on social networking (talking). I’m open to ideas as to how to achieve critical mass. I hope that we don’t have to wait till there is even more pain here in America? All pride is false; when we examine our situation in the light of day we see that we are responsible in making amends no matter how wrong 9-11 was. The oldest adage says that, “Two wrongs never make a right!” We are the people and we are ultimately responsible for anything our government does regardless of what anyone says. We must find out collective faith and realize that everything over the last 6.5 years has been as much of a lie as the 2 decades preceding that point. We are not looking for a collective medal here. We have to stop our wrath found in Bush from destroying the entire world. The US is the only nation to use full scale nuclear weapons and now the US is the leader of nations who routinely use depleted uranium. Our wrath is developing new weapons; one space based weapon that is expected to be deployed is named “Rods of God”. There lays our pride problem again shown by building weapons in the name of “God” as though we were charged with a mission to purify the Earth. We are all living a lie and depending on liars to rectify a situation that is a result of faithlessness and our own vanity. Shame is what we should be feeling now but people are determined to stick with apathy and still long for accolades. It has been said that God helps those that help themselves. If you don’t believe in a “Deity” then treat GOD as an acronym. G = Good O = Orderly D = Direction We must unite! That is the name of our nation people… UNITED STATES OF AMERICA not the fragmented fools collective! SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!</strong> I like it. When do you want to call for it?

Comment by leftcoast — June 24, 2007 @ 5:01 pm

ASAP but frankly with a few exceptions and you we don’t have even a handful of people willing to “take it to the streets”. People want to stay home and “comment” there days and nights till the inter web is taken down. Then organization will be harder and slower since we will have to rely on social networking (talking). I’m open to ideas as to how to achieve critical mass. I hope that we don’t have to wait till there is even more pain here in America?

All pride is false; when we examine our situation in the light of day we see that we are responsible in making amends no matter how wrong 9-11 was. The oldest adage says that, “Two wrongs never make a right!” We are the people and we are ultimately responsible for anything our government does regardless of what anyone says. We must find out collective faith and realize that everything over the last 6.5 years has been as much of a lie as the 2 decades preceding that point.

We are not looking for a collective medal here. We have to stop our wrath found in Bush from destroying the entire world. The US is the only nation to use full scale nuclear weapons and now the US is the leader of nations who routinely use depleted uranium. Our wrath is developing new weapons; one space based weapon that is expected to be deployed is named “Rods of God”. There lays our pride problem again shown by building weapons in the name of “God” as though we were charged with a mission to purify the Earth.

We are all living a lie and depending on liars to rectify a situation that is a result of faithlessness and our own vanity. Shame is what we should be feeling now but people are determined to stick with apathy and still long for accolades. It has been said that God helps those that help themselves. If you don’t believe in a “Deity” then treat GOD as an acronym.

G = Good O = Orderly D = Direction

We must unite! That is the name of our nation people… UNITED STATES OF AMERICA not the fragmented fools collective!

SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

]]> By: Perry Logan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882699 Perry Logan Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:56:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882699 The relationship between this administration and Al Qaeda is eerily symbiotic. The relationship between this administration and Al Qaeda is eerily symbiotic.

]]> By: Doublespeak http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882690 Doublespeak Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:25:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882690 "Doublespeak was very common in the Third Reich. Goebbels' Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda (Ministry of the Reich for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda) coined thousands of new German words. Other examples include "concentration camp" (labor/death camp, or "joycamp" in Newspeak), "protective custody" (imprisonment without due process of law), "Heim ins Reich" (occupation of Austria), and particular new meanings for "Volk" (people) and "Rasse" (race)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak “Doublespeak was very common in the Third Reich. Goebbels’ Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda (Ministry of the Reich for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda) coined thousands of new German words. Other examples include “concentration camp” (labor/death camp, or “joycamp” in Newspeak), “protective custody” (imprisonment without due process of law), “Heim ins Reich” (occupation of Austria), and particular new meanings for “Volk” (people) and “Rasse” (race).”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

]]> By: ted http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882669 ted Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:02:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882669 I think most of America understands the Al Qaeda nonsense and how BushCo uses it in their propaganda war against America. I just laugh whenever I see reports of Al Qaeda violence in Iraq ... that is after I hang my head in sorrow and disgust for what BushCo has made of our once great country. I think most of America understands the Al Qaeda nonsense and how BushCo uses it in their propaganda war against America. I just laugh whenever I see reports of Al Qaeda violence in Iraq … that is after I hang my head in sorrow and disgust for what BushCo has made of our once great country.

]]> By: Jake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882647 Jake Mon, 25 Jun 2007 05:09:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882647 Back on topic, Mr. Greenwald is incorrect in noting that anyone in this Administration is describing ALL Iraqi fighters as al Qaeda -- it is definitely NOT obvious that they, and specifically its military commanders, decided to begin using the term “Al Qaeda” to designate “anyone and everyone we fight against or kill in Iraq” -- next canard? Back on topic, Mr. Greenwald is incorrect in noting that anyone in this Administration is describing ALL Iraqi fighters as al Qaeda — it is definitely NOT obvious that they, and specifically its military commanders, decided to begin using the term “Al Qaeda” to designate “anyone and everyone we fight against or kill in Iraq” — next canard?

]]> By: Jake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882629 Jake Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:52:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882629 Or, that everyone agrees it was a personal attack. That and/or refusing to answer my questions when I do so in a civil manner are the only ways to get on the Ignore List. Or, that everyone agrees it was a personal attack. That and/or refusing to answer my questions when I do so in a civil manner are the only ways to get on the Ignore List.

]]> By: Jane E. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882616 Jane E. Schneider Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:38:30 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882616 Hmmm...I would guess that the crickets chirping on this thread for nearly an hour since Jake's post would have to mean that everyone believes that Jake can't think himself out of a paper bag. Hmmm…I would guess that the crickets chirping on this thread for nearly an hour since Jake’s post would have to mean that everyone believes that Jake can’t think himself out of a paper bag.

]]> By: eh http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882588 eh Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:05:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882588 Brookings reports that the military currently estimates around 70,000 Sunni insurgents. add up the various Shi'ite militias who frequently engage coalition forces (Mahdi, Fadila, etc) and you soon find yourself at around 200,000 of them yet the military only estimates 1000 al qaeda in iraq if we keep killing them on a daily basis as is being reported, we should have the entire lot mopped up inside of two months - unless of course that it's simply convenient to portray enemy kills as al qaeda to prop up a faltering, criminal administration and the observation of poor thinking skills is not an attack, but rather an analysis Brookings reports that the military currently estimates around 70,000 Sunni insurgents. add up the various Shi’ite militias who frequently engage coalition forces (Mahdi, Fadila, etc) and you soon find yourself at around 200,000 of them

yet the military only estimates 1000 al qaeda in iraq

if we keep killing them on a daily basis as is being reported, we should have the entire lot mopped up inside of two months – unless of course that it’s simply convenient to portray enemy kills as al qaeda to prop up a faltering, criminal administration

and the observation of poor thinking skills is not an attack, but rather an analysis

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882548 Jason M. Hendler Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:44:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882548 #109, David, I understand history just fine. America, at one time, prospered, as did many European powers, through imperialism and exploitation of immigrants, no denial. America also once prospered with slavery. Both those economic models are long gone. Instead of hardworking immigrants creating wealth in America, opportunities are now going overseas, because socialist policies / behaviours in America force opportunities overseas. China will eventually overtake our manufacturing, and India will (or already has) overtake our software and services industry. Americans think that they can simply legislate (or protest to force) a fix to our problems, when you only have to participate in a wealth generating economy. Unfortunately, captialism has an unfair negative connotation, and the most wealthy are vilified. Oh well.... #109, David,

I understand history just fine. America, at one time, prospered, as did many European powers, through imperialism and exploitation of immigrants, no denial. America also once prospered with slavery. Both those economic models are long gone.

Instead of hardworking immigrants creating wealth in America, opportunities are now going overseas, because socialist policies / behaviours in America force opportunities overseas. China will eventually overtake our manufacturing, and India will (or already has) overtake our software and services industry. Americans think that they can simply legislate (or protest to force) a fix to our problems, when you only have to participate in a wealth generating economy. Unfortunately, captialism has an unfair negative connotation, and the most wealthy are vilified. Oh well….

]]> By: Jake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882547 Jake Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:43:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882547 And, if anyone NOT on the Ignore List wants to discuss whether "he can’t think himself out of a paper bag" is a personal attack or not, let me know that too. And, if anyone NOT on the Ignore List wants to discuss whether “he can’t think himself out of a paper bag” is a personal attack or not, let me know that too.

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882532 Jason M. Hendler Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:33:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882532 #106, Dixie Blood, Yes, please, post the link to my comments regarding the current trends in Africa. If not, allow me to paraphrase. North or Saharan Africa is predominantly muslim, and they are pushing south, leading to the civil wars / genocides along the leading edge of that demographic push - Chad, Sudan, Somalia, Ethopia, where occasionally, the US will strike an Al Quieda cell. In Sub-Saharan West Africa, Chinese and Indian immigrants are exploiting the natural resources that their rapidly growing nations need. In the rest of sub-Saharan Africa, it is estimated that 40 million of the few hundred million native Africans have AIDS, with a projection that 100 million will have AIDS in 20 - 40 years. Most nations have short or tall pyramid distributions of population by age, but in Sub-Saharan Africa, there is a startling "necking down" of this typical pyramid above the age of puberty, due to war and disease. In short, native African populations are collapsing, not to mention their societies, and I expect Islamic, Chinese and Indian populations to eventually displace them. Nothing racist about that projection, these trends can be seen in data and documentaries. You can ignore it, and call me racist, or accept it, and try to change those trends. #106, Dixie Blood,

Yes, please, post the link to my comments regarding the current trends in Africa. If not, allow me to paraphrase. North or Saharan Africa is predominantly muslim, and they are pushing south, leading to the civil wars / genocides along the leading edge of that demographic push – Chad, Sudan, Somalia, Ethopia, where occasionally, the US will strike an Al Quieda cell. In Sub-Saharan West Africa, Chinese and Indian immigrants are exploiting the natural resources that their rapidly growing nations need. In the rest of sub-Saharan Africa, it is estimated that 40 million of the few hundred million native Africans have AIDS, with a projection that 100 million will have AIDS in 20 – 40 years. Most nations have short or tall pyramid distributions of population by age, but in Sub-Saharan Africa, there is a startling “necking down” of this typical pyramid above the age of puberty, due to war and disease. In short, native African populations are collapsing, not to mention their societies, and I expect Islamic, Chinese and Indian populations to eventually displace them.

Nothing racist about that projection, these trends can be seen in data and documentaries. You can ignore it, and call me racist, or accept it, and try to change those trends.

]]> By: eh http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882529 eh Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:32:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882529 while the military informs us that Al Qaeda makes up no more than 1% or so of all the warring groups in Iraq, all of a sudden we seem to be fighting that 1% everywhere. those couple thousand guys must be pretty busy and just because jake lives in southern orange county is no reason to excuse the fact that he can't think himself out of a paper bag there is such a thing as personal responsibility and standards of excellence while the military informs us that Al Qaeda makes up no more than 1% or so of all the warring groups in Iraq, all of a sudden we seem to be fighting that 1% everywhere. those couple thousand guys must be pretty busy

and just because jake lives in southern orange county is no reason to excuse the fact that he can’t think himself out of a paper bag

there is such a thing as personal responsibility and standards of excellence

]]> By: Wayne A. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882523 Wayne A. Schneider Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:29:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882523 Comment by Jake — June 24, 2007 @ 11:15 pm Does that mean I'm on your ignore list? WOO-HOO! Comment by Jake — June 24, 2007 @ 11:15 pm

Does that mean I’m on your ignore list?

WOO-HOO!

]]> By: Eargy Earp http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882522 Eargy Earp Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:28:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882522 Some are just noticing this?!?! It has been the tendency noticable since "Ansar al-Islam" in Iraq (a Kurdish based terrorist group) started being called "Al Quaeda in Iraq". Some are just noticing this?!?!

It has been the tendency noticable since “Ansar al-Islam” in Iraq (a Kurdish based terrorist group) started being called “Al Quaeda in Iraq”.

]]> By: Jake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882504 Jake Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:15:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882504 If anyone NOT on the Ignore List wants to discuss the use of QUOTATION MARKS, please let me know. If anyone NOT on the Ignore List wants to discuss the use of QUOTATION MARKS, please let me know.

]]> By: Quizmos http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882470 Quizmos Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:56:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882470 Telling a lie over and over again may get the people to believe it, but it won't make it true. If freedom is what you really want; the Truth will set you free! God save America from the Satanical neo-idiots! Telling a lie over and over again may get the people to believe it, but it won’t make it true. If freedom is what you really want; the Truth will set you free! God save America from the Satanical neo-idiots!

]]> By: Johnsnottoodistracted http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882405 Johnsnottoodistracted Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:17:33 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882405 Scariest name + scariest faces = keep you scared. The only question remaining is how many people are listening? The names and images were created for this purpose.Don't be fooled any longer.Really, just don't. How much do you think mr.atomic iran gets paid to be scary. Not joking people.Pay attention. Scariest name + scariest faces = keep you scared.
The only question remaining is how many people are listening?

The names and images were created for this purpose.Don’t be fooled any longer.Really, just don’t.

How much do you think mr.atomic iran gets paid to be scary.

Not joking people.Pay attention.

]]> By: Wayne A. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882379 Wayne A. Schneider Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:03:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882379 No one in this Administration has said ‘Everyone we now fight in Iraq is al Qaida.’ Comment by Jake — June 24, 2007 @ 9:55 pm It was not a direct quote, it was an observation about what the administration has been saying. Are you unable to differentiate between the two? No one in this Administration has said ‘Everyone we now fight in Iraq is al Qaida.’

Comment by Jake — June 24, 2007 @ 9:55 pm

It was not a direct quote, it was an observation about what the administration has been saying. Are you unable to differentiate between the two?

]]> By: Jake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/comment-page-3/#comment-3882368 Jake Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:55:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/everyone-we-now-fight-in-iraq-is-al-qaida/#comment-3882368 No one in this Administration has said ‘Everyone we now fight in Iraq is al Qaida.’ No one in this Administration has said ‘Everyone we now fight in Iraq is al Qaida.’

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