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	<title>Comments on: More Afghans killed by U.S./NATO than militants.</title>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/more-afghans-killed-by-usnato-than-militants/comment-page-2/#comment-3899296</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would someone please explain the &quot;U.S. led&quot; part in the oft-used phrase &#039;U.S. led NATO air strike/operation/etc.&#039;.....how does the U.S. lead NATO?  thank you, Donna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would someone please explain the &#8220;U.S. led&#8221; part in the oft-used phrase &#8216;U.S. led NATO air strike/operation/etc.&#8217;&#8230;..how does the U.S. lead NATO?  thank you, Donna<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3899296', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jericho</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/more-afghans-killed-by-usnato-than-militants/comment-page-2/#comment-3882686</link>
		<dc:creator>Jericho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, does this mean the average of &#039;America&#039;s best&#039; are actually worse of a shot and kill more innocent bystanders than the improvised bombs that the militants come up with? Who are these soldiers.... all of Stevie Wonder&#039;s kids? ...the US team for the special olympics? Who said again that power is nothing without control....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, does this mean the average of &#8216;America&#8217;s best&#8217; are actually worse of a shot and kill more innocent bystanders than the improvised bombs that the militants come up with? Who are these soldiers&#8230;. all of Stevie Wonder&#8217;s kids? &#8230;the US team for the special olympics? Who said again that power is nothing without control&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882686', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: upright left</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/more-afghans-killed-by-usnato-than-militants/comment-page-2/#comment-3882554</link>
		<dc:creator>upright left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m actually surprised they havenâ€™t managed to shut us up yet. But, I think they know that doing that would be worse than allowing us to congregateâ€¦ Weâ€™ve rejected t.v., so without the internet weâ€™d, have time to actually plot a revolution, and considering there are 300 million average citizens, they really donâ€™t want us doing that.
Comment by unbelievable â€” June 24, 2007 @ 10:59 am

Sounds like you are saying being on the internet keeps you from plotting a revolution, you know this and yet you continue to post away.  ??????   
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(for this I credit the patriarchal religions those men followed).
Comment by unbelievable â€” June 24, 2007 @ 12:38 pm

Here&#039;s a novel thought for ya: personal responsibility.  It means that we are all responsible for our own actions.  Yeah, you read that right, responsibile for our OWN actions.  It wasn&#039;t religion&#039;s fault or their mother&#039;s fault or anyone else&#039;s fault but their own.  They chose to cheat on their spouses, yet you want so badly to worship them, you have to make them victims instead of holding them accountable for their own actions.  Oddly enough, you don&#039;t extend that grace to those you oppose.  Bush is a Christian just like MLK and JFK, so you ought to be saying that he is a victim and not responsibile for any of his actions either.  How bout a little fair and balanced treatment here. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m actually surprised they havenâ€™t managed to shut us up yet. But, I think they know that doing that would be worse than allowing us to congregateâ€¦ Weâ€™ve rejected t.v., so without the internet weâ€™d, have time to actually plot a revolution, and considering there are 300 million average citizens, they really donâ€™t want us doing that.<br />
Comment by unbelievable â€” June 24, 2007 @ 10:59 am</p>
<p>Sounds like you are saying being on the internet keeps you from plotting a revolution, you know this and yet you continue to post away.  ??????<br />
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(for this I credit the patriarchal religions those men followed).<br />
Comment by unbelievable â€” June 24, 2007 @ 12:38 pm</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a novel thought for ya: personal responsibility.  It means that we are all responsible for our own actions.  Yeah, you read that right, responsibile for our OWN actions.  It wasn&#8217;t religion&#8217;s fault or their mother&#8217;s fault or anyone else&#8217;s fault but their own.  They chose to cheat on their spouses, yet you want so badly to worship them, you have to make them victims instead of holding them accountable for their own actions.  Oddly enough, you don&#8217;t extend that grace to those you oppose.  Bush is a Christian just like MLK and JFK, so you ought to be saying that he is a victim and not responsibile for any of his actions either.  How bout a little fair and balanced treatment here. ;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882554', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: upright left</title>
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		<dc:creator>upright left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 03:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, cons - explain to us how this is acceptable - and donâ€™t give us your usual nonsense about you have to sacrifice for â€œwarâ€. 
Comment by unbelievable â€” June 24, 2007 @ 9:53 am

We all know that this happens because the cowardly terrorists hide among civilians.  Very, very lame argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, cons &#8211; explain to us how this is acceptable &#8211; and donâ€™t give us your usual nonsense about you have to sacrifice for â€œwarâ€.<br />
Comment by unbelievable â€” June 24, 2007 @ 9:53 am</p>
<p>We all know that this happens because the cowardly terrorists hide among civilians.  Very, very lame argument.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882542', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one in this Administration has said &quot;ALL Iraqis are the enemy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one in this Administration has said &#8220;ALL Iraqis are the enemy.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3882385', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: heyzeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>heyzeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is something I&#039;ve noticed over the last week or so, the US led offensive against aQ operatives in Baqouba.
 read: 
 Laying waste to another Iraqi city (just like Fallujah)
 References to Shiite and Sunni factions have been dropped because of the mosque bombings.
 Wash, rinse, wash, rinse, 
 repeat procedure until all traces of culpability are removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is something I&#8217;ve noticed over the last week or so, the US led offensive against aQ operatives in Baqouba.<br />
 read:<br />
 Laying waste to another Iraqi city (just like Fallujah)<br />
 References to Shiite and Sunni factions have been dropped because of the mosque bombings.<br />
 Wash, rinse, wash, rinse,<br />
 repeat procedure until all traces of culpability are removed.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881746', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>73 and 74
I can&#039;t take credit  -- I was only THINKING those thoughts; it was someone else who actually blogged them.
  
Hmmm -- maybe it IS cosmic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>73 and 74<br />
I can&#8217;t take credit  &#8212; I was only THINKING those thoughts; it was someone else who actually blogged them.</p>
<p>Hmmm &#8212; maybe it IS cosmic!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881735', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: heyzeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>heyzeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cosmic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cosmic!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881724', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jane E. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane E. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, is Marie amazing, or what?  TP just posted a new thread on this exact same subject!  Way to go, Marie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, is Marie amazing, or what?  TP just posted a new thread on this exact same subject!  Way to go, Marie!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881723', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne A. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne A. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Marie â€” June 24, 2007 @ 3:45 pm

Now that I think about it, you&#039;re right.  While I don&#039;t often catch the &quot;news&quot; itself, I do watch a lot of political talk shows, and they haven&#039;t been saying anything about insurgents, just al Qaeda.  Thanks for pointing that out.  It&#039;s someting else we can question our &quot;leader beans&quot; about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Marie â€” June 24, 2007 @ 3:45 pm</p>
<p>Now that I think about it, you&#8217;re right.  While I don&#8217;t often catch the &#8220;news&#8221; itself, I do watch a lot of political talk shows, and they haven&#8217;t been saying anything about insurgents, just al Qaeda.  Thanks for pointing that out.  It&#8217;s someting else we can question our &#8220;leader beans&#8221; about.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881716', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jane E. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane E. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Marie â€” June 24, 2007 @ 3:45 pm

Yeah, they&#039;re framing it so that ALL Iraqis are &quot;the enemy&quot; so that &#039;Merkans don&#039;t care how many die.  So we&#039;ve gone from &quot;Liberating&quot; the Iraqi people, to &quot;Obliterating&quot; the Iraqi people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Marie â€” June 24, 2007 @ 3:45 pm</p>
<p>Yeah, they&#8217;re framing it so that ALL Iraqis are &#8220;the enemy&#8221; so that &#8216;Merkans don&#8217;t care how many die.  So we&#8217;ve gone from &#8220;Liberating&#8221; the Iraqi people, to &#8220;Obliterating&#8221; the Iraqi people.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881709', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: heyzeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>heyzeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...everyone has somehow morphed into al qaeda operative, ranking al qaeda leader, al qaeda sponsored, al qaeda one and all.
Is this to gradually sway the public away from the civil war that we are supporting on both sides, and subliminally turn the minds of the public into supporting justification to remain fighting in Iraq for the foreseeable future?
 Comment by Marie 

 yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;everyone has somehow morphed into al qaeda operative, ranking al qaeda leader, al qaeda sponsored, al qaeda one and all.<br />
Is this to gradually sway the public away from the civil war that we are supporting on both sides, and subliminally turn the minds of the public into supporting justification to remain fighting in Iraq for the foreseeable future?<br />
 Comment by Marie </p>
<p> yes.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881707', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related matter - in Iraq - a liberal blogger today pointed out something which has only recently become pretty obvious to news-junkies like myself.
There are no more reports of Sunni insurgents or Shiite insurgents in Iraq, or even insurgents of any stripe -- everyone has somehow morphed into al qaeda operative, ranking al qaeda leader, al qaeda sponsored, al qaeda one and all.  
Is this to gradually sway the public away from the civil war that we are supporting on both sides, and subliminally turn the minds of the public into supporting justification to remain fighting in Iraq for the foreseeable future?  (at least until we can control their oil )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related matter &#8211; in Iraq &#8211; a liberal blogger today pointed out something which has only recently become pretty obvious to news-junkies like myself.<br />
There are no more reports of Sunni insurgents or Shiite insurgents in Iraq, or even insurgents of any stripe &#8212; everyone has somehow morphed into al qaeda operative, ranking al qaeda leader, al qaeda sponsored, al qaeda one and all.<br />
Is this to gradually sway the public away from the civil war that we are supporting on both sides, and subliminally turn the minds of the public into supporting justification to remain fighting in Iraq for the foreseeable future?  (at least until we can control their oil )<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881705', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steamboater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steamboater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter what our &#039;good&#039; intentions in Afghanistan, it&#039;s as doomed to failure as Bush and Cheney&#039;s rekless effort to bring democracy to Iraq. We and the Brits have learned less then nothing from history. The Brits had their adventures in Afghanistan in the 19th century and they were thrown out because eventually the Afghans always resent an occupation. You could fill the Afghans pockets with all the money in the world etc but soon enough they want you to leave and if you don&#039;t, God help you. The various tribal chieftans there want power for themselves and they won&#039;t share it with anyone. Foreigners become hated and the results are what we see happening today. Success in Iraq is dead. Success in Afghanistan has one foot in the grave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what our &#8216;good&#8217; intentions in Afghanistan, it&#8217;s as doomed to failure as Bush and Cheney&#8217;s rekless effort to bring democracy to Iraq. We and the Brits have learned less then nothing from history. The Brits had their adventures in Afghanistan in the 19th century and they were thrown out because eventually the Afghans always resent an occupation. You could fill the Afghans pockets with all the money in the world etc but soon enough they want you to leave and if you don&#8217;t, God help you. The various tribal chieftans there want power for themselves and they won&#8217;t share it with anyone. Foreigners become hated and the results are what we see happening today. Success in Iraq is dead. Success in Afghanistan has one foot in the grave.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881626', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: freedomrings</title>
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		<dc:creator>freedomrings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What is there to debate about news like this? We know what to do but we donâ€™t do anything except endlessly engage in Anti-Bush diatribe. We donâ€™t want to risk anything so as a result the death toll and suffering grow. So the only ones taking a stand are the Bush Team and they are simply capitalizing on our sloth. 

When will we organize a coalition of citizens who desire peace and are willing to cease involvement with the Plutocrats? 

SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What is there to debate about news like this? We know what to do but we donâ€™t do anything except endlessly engage in Anti-Bush diatribe. We donâ€™t want to risk anything so as a result the death toll and suffering grow. So the only ones taking a stand are the Bush Team and they are simply capitalizing on our sloth. </p>
<p>When will we organize a coalition of citizens who desire peace and are willing to cease involvement with the Plutocrats? </p>
<p>SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!<br />
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!<br />
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!<br />
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!<br />
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!<br />
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!<br />
SUPPORT A GENERAL STRIKE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881582', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne A. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/more-afghans-killed-by-usnato-than-militants/comment-page-2/#comment-3881569</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne A. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, MsJoanne.  Actually we&#039;re not that far off on your disagreement.  When I spoke of educating people, I should have mentioned educating people about the causes of terrorism which, you correctly point out, have their roots in poverty.  At least, poverty on the part of the people actually committing the acts, not of the people who order it done. 

I agree that those who commit these acts are desperate and feel they have nothing to lose.  I wonder if any promises of taking care of the family members they might leave behind are ever followed through, assuming such promises are made.  How else do you convince someone to sacrifice his life in such a violent, useless way.

And I appreciate the compliments.  I decided to take what I wrote, fix it up a bit and post it to my blog.  That will take a while.  People can enjoy the silly songs in the meantime. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, MsJoanne.  Actually we&#8217;re not that far off on your disagreement.  When I spoke of educating people, I should have mentioned educating people about the causes of terrorism which, you correctly point out, have their roots in poverty.  At least, poverty on the part of the people actually committing the acts, not of the people who order it done. </p>
<p>I agree that those who commit these acts are desperate and feel they have nothing to lose.  I wonder if any promises of taking care of the family members they might leave behind are ever followed through, assuming such promises are made.  How else do you convince someone to sacrifice his life in such a violent, useless way.</p>
<p>And I appreciate the compliments.  I decided to take what I wrote, fix it up a bit and post it to my blog.  That will take a while.  People can enjoy the silly songs in the meantime. :)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881569', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: heyzeus</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/more-afghans-killed-by-usnato-than-militants/comment-page-2/#comment-3881543</link>
		<dc:creator>heyzeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We didnâ€™t care too well for our returning Vietnam vets and there will be many, many more returning now due to improvements in medicine.&quot;

 Iraq vets are returning from an urban warfare situation, and have witnessed atrocities perhaps more frequently than Vietnam vets.
 
 I am not seeking to diminish the fear and stress they endured as soldiers beset by an enemy hiding in a jungle...
 
 In this urban conflict, the soldier has no way of determining an insurgent from the everyday citizen in the street, and he or she lives expecting every paper bag or trash can to blow up in their faces, and at least maim if not kill them...
 Every ride in a vehicle for them is an opportunity to go up in a ball of flames.
 
 These factors will all combine to create a true nightmare world for soldiers returning to our own cities and towns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We didnâ€™t care too well for our returning Vietnam vets and there will be many, many more returning now due to improvements in medicine.&#8221;</p>
<p> Iraq vets are returning from an urban warfare situation, and have witnessed atrocities perhaps more frequently than Vietnam vets.</p>
<p> I am not seeking to diminish the fear and stress they endured as soldiers beset by an enemy hiding in a jungle&#8230;</p>
<p> In this urban conflict, the soldier has no way of determining an insurgent from the everyday citizen in the street, and he or she lives expecting every paper bag or trash can to blow up in their faces, and at least maim if not kill them&#8230;<br />
 Every ride in a vehicle for them is an opportunity to go up in a ball of flames.</p>
<p> These factors will all combine to create a true nightmare world for soldiers returning to our own cities and towns.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881543', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MsJoanne</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/more-afghans-killed-by-usnato-than-militants/comment-page-2/#comment-3881524</link>
		<dc:creator>MsJoanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And while we&#039;re talking about ramifications, we should keep in mind the tens of thousands of returning vets who are not getting the kind of mental health care they need.  There are Americans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan who will never be able to work (either for physical or mental damage).  What is going to happen to them?  We didn&#039;t care too well for our returning Vietnam vets and there will be many, many more returning now due to improvements in medicine.

That alone is a powder keg in the making.  These poor vets have to fight and fight for care.  Many are uninsured and will never get the care they need.  

What is that going to do to our country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while we&#8217;re talking about ramifications, we should keep in mind the tens of thousands of returning vets who are not getting the kind of mental health care they need.  There are Americans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan who will never be able to work (either for physical or mental damage).  What is going to happen to them?  We didn&#8217;t care too well for our returning Vietnam vets and there will be many, many more returning now due to improvements in medicine.</p>
<p>That alone is a powder keg in the making.  These poor vets have to fight and fight for care.  Many are uninsured and will never get the care they need.  </p>
<p>What is that going to do to our country?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881524', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jane E. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/more-afghans-killed-by-usnato-than-militants/comment-page-2/#comment-3881510</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane E. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; How many of those Iraqis are now going to become terrorists because of what we have done; what our country has done.&quot;
Comment by MsJoanne â€” June 24, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

You mean, out of the Iraqis who survived?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; How many of those Iraqis are now going to become terrorists because of what we have done; what our country has done.&#8221;<br />
Comment by MsJoanne â€” June 24, 2007 @ 1:31 pm</p>
<p>You mean, out of the Iraqis who survived?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881510', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MsJoanne</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/24/more-afghans-killed-by-usnato-than-militants/comment-page-2/#comment-3881507</link>
		<dc:creator>MsJoanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne, as always, brilliant job.  I disagree with you in one respect.  I think the only way to fight terrorism is to understand what causes it.  We hear that it&#039;s western ways, jealousy of us, etc., but I think terrorism is caused by poverty - often abject poverty, oppression, hopelessness, and fear.  When you have nothing - and I am talking the Maslow&#039;s Hierarchy of Needs type of nothing, there is nothing to lose.

The only way to fight terrorism is to fight its roots.  Unfortunately, most of the world has or is going to the American version of capitalism which translates to overwhelming greed.  This is not to be confused with, say, overwhelming drive to succeed.  I am talking the Dick Chaney kind of greed where you have millions and billions of dollars and it&#039;s not enough.  Where you have a win at all cost type of capitalistic mindset where someone HAS to lose when you win.  And if you couple that with not helping others who need help, who have nothing, who have no hope or no prospects for a better life, who are ruled with an iron fist and no compassion exists in that ruling.  

Ron Paul was right in his assessment of what caused 9/11.  Israel continues to cause terrorism in its region.  You can&#039;t treat people like animals - especially for generation after generation - and expect them to not become animals.

The saddest thing is that we are seeing that same thing that causes terrorism taking place here.  How long before we breed our own batch of terrorists?

I never thought it possible that the US could be considered a rogue state.  How proposterous is it to think that our own won&#039;t turn to desperation?

And it&#039;s impossible to fight terrorism militarily.  It only fuels the problems that feeds terrorists.  What happened in Iraq is the ultimate example.  Iraqis like America.  Iraq was a peaceful country ruled by a horrible person.  But their needs were met - albeit poorly, but they had food, water, etc.  How many of those Iraqis are now going to become terrorists because of what we have done; what our country has done.

The MSN (now) talks about American deaths, but they still rarely talk about the hundreds of thousdands of innocent Iraqis who have died, lost their families, lost everything.  They still, after five years, don&#039;t have consistant electricity, gas, jobs, a life.   How is THAT going to affect us for years to come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, as always, brilliant job.  I disagree with you in one respect.  I think the only way to fight terrorism is to understand what causes it.  We hear that it&#8217;s western ways, jealousy of us, etc., but I think terrorism is caused by poverty &#8211; often abject poverty, oppression, hopelessness, and fear.  When you have nothing &#8211; and I am talking the Maslow&#8217;s Hierarchy of Needs type of nothing, there is nothing to lose.</p>
<p>The only way to fight terrorism is to fight its roots.  Unfortunately, most of the world has or is going to the American version of capitalism which translates to overwhelming greed.  This is not to be confused with, say, overwhelming drive to succeed.  I am talking the Dick Chaney kind of greed where you have millions and billions of dollars and it&#8217;s not enough.  Where you have a win at all cost type of capitalistic mindset where someone HAS to lose when you win.  And if you couple that with not helping others who need help, who have nothing, who have no hope or no prospects for a better life, who are ruled with an iron fist and no compassion exists in that ruling.  </p>
<p>Ron Paul was right in his assessment of what caused 9/11.  Israel continues to cause terrorism in its region.  You can&#8217;t treat people like animals &#8211; especially for generation after generation &#8211; and expect them to not become animals.</p>
<p>The saddest thing is that we are seeing that same thing that causes terrorism taking place here.  How long before we breed our own batch of terrorists?</p>
<p>I never thought it possible that the US could be considered a rogue state.  How proposterous is it to think that our own won&#8217;t turn to desperation?</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s impossible to fight terrorism militarily.  It only fuels the problems that feeds terrorists.  What happened in Iraq is the ultimate example.  Iraqis like America.  Iraq was a peaceful country ruled by a horrible person.  But their needs were met &#8211; albeit poorly, but they had food, water, etc.  How many of those Iraqis are now going to become terrorists because of what we have done; what our country has done.</p>
<p>The MSN (now) talks about American deaths, but they still rarely talk about the hundreds of thousdands of innocent Iraqis who have died, lost their families, lost everything.  They still, after five years, don&#8217;t have consistant electricity, gas, jobs, a life.   How is THAT going to affect us for years to come?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3881507', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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