Kristol Defends Cheney, Williams Says He’s Creating A ‘Secured Undisclosed Bunker Of His Mind’
Kristol Defends Cheney, Williams Says He’s Creating A ‘Secured Undisclosed Bunker Of His Mind’
This morning on Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard editor William Kristol defended Vice President Cheney’s decision to exempt himself from an executive order designed to safeguard classified national security information.
Kristol said the exemptions for the president and vice president were “reasonable enough.” He called it “a pain in the neck” to have “some bureaucrat” from the National Archives “come and inspect your safe to see whether you’re locking it up properly each night.”
NPR’s Juan Williams snapped back, noting that there is no text in the executive order that actually exempts Bush or Cheney. “This is all a dodge, this is a game,” Williams said, in order to “keep Dick Cheney in some kind of secured undisclosed bunker of his mind so he can’t let the American people know what’s going on with their government.” Williams charged, “He won’t tell people who’s visiting his house, who’s visiting his office. Scooter Libby is letting people know who works for the CIA as an agent. This is ridiculous.”
Watch it:
Kristol was the only member of the Fox News Sunday panel to defend Cheney. Fox News Washington managing editor Brit Hume called the White House explanation a “dumb excuse,” and NPR’s Mara Liasson said it “doesn’t make any sense.”
Transcript:
WALLACE: Al Gore complied with this. So did Dick Cheney for the first two years. Why on earth would they make a fight over this?
KRISTOL: They like to fight to fight to preserve the prerogatives of the White House. And it is a pain in the neck having some bureaucrat from the bureau of archives come and inspect your safe to see whether you’re locking it up properly each night. I remember that when I was the vice president’s chief of staff, and I complied. But if the president wants to exempt his own office and the vice president’s office from that, that’s reasonable enough. There’s no reason the archivists have to investigate the security procedures in the vice president’s office.
WILLIAMS: Maybe they have a reason because he stopped complying with the law.
KRISTOL: There’s no law.
WILLIAMS: Yes, there’s an executive order —
KRISTOL: The president understands to have exempted his own office and the vice president’s office.
WILLIAMS: The president has not written anything about this, as Brit has said. He didn’t amend the law. And so what you have is, not only is it that there’s classified documents — we don’t know where they go, what happens to them. E-mails disappear in this White House, and you say, what happened to the e-mails? ‘Oh, no, we have a private account.’ This is all a dodge, this is a game, in order to, I guess, keep Dick Cheney in some kind of secured undisclosed bunker of his mind so he can’t let the American people know what’s going on with their government and how decisions are made. He won’t tell people who’s visiting his house, who’s visiting his office. Scooter Libby is letting people know who works for the CIA as an agent. This is ridiculous.
HUME: One of the more compelling indictments i’ve heard. Well done, Juan.
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wow, its gotta be bad if Mara Liasson cant catapault the propaganda.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:14 amI thought we aren’t supposed to watch Fox News? Pat Buchanan was great on “Meet the Press” even though I defend Cheney BTW.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:15 amCut his Executive funding for his office.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amI want to see every member of the GOP congress on record as to whether or not they think Cheney’s actions are constitutional. Then I want to see a mandate that Cheney either cease and desist or he gets his sorry butt thrown out. This has gone on too long and too far. Write your representative!
June 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amOh, and ignore the troll droppings.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:17 amWilliam “The Bloody” Kristol continues to do mental contortions in order to justify everything this administration does.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:18 amCheney will gladly leave office. On January 20, 2009.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:19 amPerogative? Kristol speaks of GWB as if he’s the frickin’ King.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:21 amBush (the “King”) will gladly leave office too. On January 20, 2009.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:24 amOf course, Darth Cheney isn’t a part of the Executive Branch. He is part of the all-wise, all-knowing imperial elite. Leave the poor guy alone and let him save the country. (sarcasm off)
Little Billy Kristol pinched the biggest loaf I have ever seen on FoxNoise Sunday when he suggested that GDumbya inherited a dysfunctional executive branch from Clinton. What a crock. All the dysfunction in this government has been manufactured by GDumbya and his Keystone Kops.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:24 amIt was worth seeing. Even Brit Hume cracked up at Juan Williams’ “bunker of the mind” remark. If Brit thinks Cheney’s “dumb,” I believe we’re on the verge of a Great Awakening.
There is no defending Cheney on this. He wants to occupy a quantum superposition that is both Executive and Legislative, yet neither. He’s also the proud conservative grandfather of a fatherless Lesbian/test-tube homunculus…which proves he’s already adept at quantum logic.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:25 amPat Buchanan has a dead black hole for a heart, kinda the opposite of Jesus.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:25 amThe time has come today -Chambers Bros.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:26 amRevolution exists for a reason. Let’s talk.
Bush (the “Kingâ€) will gladly leave office too. On January 20, 2009.
Comment by Jake
When does the ignoring start, limpdick?
June 24th, 2007 at 11:26 amRunningDogLackey:
First of all, Cheney’s SOLE Constitutional duty, as Vice-President, is in the United States Senate, you know that, right?
June 24th, 2007 at 11:28 amThe Branches of the United States Government (Revised June 2007):
Executive
June 24th, 2007 at 11:32 amLegislative
Judicial
Dick Cheney
First of all, Cheney’s SOLE Constitutional duty, as Vice-President, is in the United States Senate, you know that, right?
So, in other words, all the other stuff that Darth has stuck his nose into is unconstitutional, huh, sweetpea?
June 24th, 2007 at 11:34 amAsk twenty people on the street about this story. Good money says no more than 3 understand it and no more than 8 have heard about it. Factor in over six years and we have…..well, a country rotting. Good luck guys.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:34 amDavid Broder was GREAT on “Meet the Press” too.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:34 amWhen does Krystol NOT defend Cheney? Isn’t Bill the number one leaker of Cheney propaganda?
June 24th, 2007 at 11:36 amfrom an email just now:
… The one click form on this page will send your personal message to all your members of Congress, with your vote on the the question “Should Vice President Cheney be impeached?” …
June 24th, 2007 at 11:38 amhttp://www.usalone.com/cheney_impeachment.php
.
ANOTHER reason for these loosers to GO TO PRISON - NOW!!
June 24th, 2007 at 11:44 amTom: You beat me to it. Thanks!
Jake: Are you a professional fluffer, or did you just sleep in a Holiday Inn last night?
June 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amHow, finally Faux Noise has found something that is indefensible. That’s progress. Not that I believe anything like that will continue with Faux.
#18 - you are probably right. But that is because they get their news from the 30 second sound bite news on TV and maybe their local newspaper. I know that neither of my local newspapers has covered this mess. Until we do something about the concentration of corporate ownership of our media, the people are going to remain dumb and uninformed.
I ask some people I know why they don’t pay more attention to what is happening in the world around them and they mostly say “I’m too busy”. My reply is “While you are ‘too busy’, our government is made an extension of the Republic party, your job is getting shipped overseas, or they are bringing someone from overseas here to do your job and your rights to privacy are being taken away from you”. I am sad to say that that elicits a blank stare kind of like saying “so what”. I do believe, though, that they will wake up enough around election time and pay enough attention to realize that we can’t elect another Republic as president if we have any hope for this country to survive.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amF*ck you, Kristol. Bush/Cheney built the largest bureacracy the U.S. Government has ever seen, the Office of Hoomeland Security. They should be inspecting his ass hairs every friggin’ day.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amThe vice president simply presides over the Senate (when the mood hits him), and can only particilate as a tie-breaking voter. he has no other role whatsoever, so he cannot be said to be a member of the Legislative Branch. Thd office of vice president is defined in Article 2, where the Executive Branch is defined.
In addition, it is incorrect for anyone to believe that presiding over the Senate is his “sole” responsibility. He also has to be prepared to assume the office and powers of the president should the need arise. Therefore, his responsibilities are more executive then legislative in nature.
Vice President Cheney is a member of the Executive Branch of our government and he is subject to the laws and executive orders pertaining to all members of that branch. Open and shut.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:49 amDarth Veeper and his Exemptative branch are both an insult to the Constitution.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:52 amDarth Veeper and his Exemptative branch are both an insult to the Constitution.
Comment by RUCerious — June 24, 2007 @ 11:52 am
…and humanity.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:53 amWayne S,
June 24th, 2007 at 11:55 amOh, yeah, don’t get me started on that…
In the undisclosed, insecure bunker of Dick Cheney’s mind, he
June 24th, 2007 at 11:56 amimagines himself CEO of the world.
Good work, Wayne. I doubt Kristol’s response would have been thus had Al Gore tried to assert it.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:56 amWayne,
Right you are about “he is subject to the laws and executive orders…”
Unfortunately the only remedy for lawyerly lying political crooks is the rule of law as applied (or not) by lawlerly lying political crooks. I think his job is safe.
June 24th, 2007 at 11:56 amIt continues to baffle me why the House of Representatives thinks that impeachment of these demons is not politically feasible.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:05 pmI think his job is safe.
Comment by Texas Democrat — June 24, 2007 @ 11:56 am
From whom?
June 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pm.†He called it “a pain in the neck†to have “some bureaucrat†from the National Archives “come and inspect your safe to see whether you’re locking it up properly each night.â€
And right he is! However, it is the law and many thousands of us have been subjected to that “pain” for many years. The difference being that if any of us failed to maintain the required security and failed the inspection we were subject to serious penalties up to and including loss of our jobs, fines, and imprisonment.
The bushco is not above the law even though they think and act as if they were. It is time for their comeuppance.
Impeach the bunch now.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI thought we aren’t supposed to watch Fox News?
Comment by Jake — June 24, 2007 @ 11:15 am
I have it blocked…thanks for asking meathead.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:09 pmWhen even Brit Hume calls it a compelling indictment, that speaks volumes.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:12 pmDick Cheney could suck the blood out of live babies on the White House lawn and William Kristol would defend it. Kristol’s job is to defend the indefensible, because he’s a paid shill, just like the trolls who post here defending Bush.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmWayne,
Certainly only for him, unfortunately.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmComment by Clyde the Ripper — June 24, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Aren’t these the folks who always say when we claim our civil rights are being violated by the Patriot Act, “If you’ve done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to fear”?
Fear is the only mindset these people know, because they live in it daily.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pmJake: Are you a professional fluffer, or did you just sleep in a Holiday Inn last night?
Comment by RunningDogLackey — June 24, 2007 @ 11:45 am
OK now that is just too funny!!
June 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pmIt would have been nice if someone had called Kristol on being a shill. Not just dismissed his argument, but said something like, “Jeezus, Bill, is there no depths this administration can sink to that you won’t come up with some pompous rationale to defend them? Have you no shame?”
June 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pmHowever, it is the law and many thousands of us have been subjected to that “pain†for many years.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper — June 24, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Especially on 9/11 when no one had bothered to check the “safe” at all… Not even after they were given a briefing on intentions of robbery of said “safe”…
June 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pm“Fear-based Initiatives” may be a more apt description of the American dream as created by the PNAC
June 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmIt would have been nice if someone had called Kristol on being a shill. Not just dismissed his argument, but said something like, “Jeezus, Bill, is there no depths this administration can sink to that you won’t come up with some pompous rationale to defend them? Have you no shame?â€
Comment by gummitch
Baby steps…..
Brit Hume is probably scourging himself for his faux pas as we speak.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmCaption contest:
June 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmKristol - Of course he’s the Vice Emperor, pshhaw.
Cheney has been making secret deals with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan… who else? The Itallian secret service maybe with that fraudulent Niger yellow cake document?
Who else?
June 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pmOK now that is just too funny!!
Comment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Hey there! I got your email and owe you a response. I was in Savannah last week attending and teaching a seminar while you were working too much (though for an excellent reason:D).
June 24th, 2007 at 12:32 pmhow many people are allowed to make absurd statements on foch’s? little billy is always saying things that don’t resemble reality, even when skewed their way. when they use the double whammy of a fantasy scenario and a mouthpiece, it must mean direct propaganda from the OVP, or king’s office.
anyone have a template for the hierarchy of lunacy? and which is the shooter’s real mouthpiece? by going back and analyzing shooter’s tool’s statements, we may find when the government was hijacked and what reporters were complicit? (I mean, which ones clearly were told by and told what to say for the VP)
we have a pretty good idea that broder, kristol, novak, and miller were complicit in obstruction of justice and no longer have credibility at all. but they are criminals, and still free?
would bet that the propaganda appears there first, and should set an interesting time line for the conspiracy
June 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pmHUME: One of the more compelling indictments i’ve heard. Well done, Juan.
Who is this guy, and what have they done with Brit Hume?
June 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pmWhat happend to the argument that you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide? Isn’t this the neocon mantra? Why isn’t anyone asking them this question? Why is it that in neocon land laws only apply to democrats?
Why is it taking Americans so long to wake up to the bulls*it that is this administration and scream at the top of their lungs to have them removed? I am tired of these GD polls. If the majority of “we the people” are all so pissed off then why isn’t anything happening to remove these lying, thieving crooks from office?
Thank you - I feel much better :)
June 24th, 2007 at 12:37 pmComment by unbelievable — June 24, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
You were actually teaching adults? Wow - did any of them put their heads down and fall asleep? Did any of them ask “when am I ever going to use this stuff?”
Two more weeks and I am off for a month - Yippee - ky - aaaaa!!
June 24th, 2007 at 12:43 pmWell, the 11/06 election was a good thing, but fell short of giving a filibuster-proof majority, so dems IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD THE BALLS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS must contend with a bunch of rethugs who have abandoned any principle other than power.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:43 pmHaHa! Kristol defends anything that might one day get him to have his own personal jack-booted black-uniformed guard details. Hmmm… tasty.
“First of all, Cheney’s SOLE Constitutional duty, as Vice-President, is in the United States Senate, you know that, right?”
That’s right. Jake. Which is why is title is “President of the Senate”, “Vice President” being a term invented and tacked-on by leftards in the early 90’s. He also is mentioned only under Article IIIb - “The Branch of the President of the Senate”, instead of Article II - “The Executive Branch”.
June 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pmYou were actually teaching adults? Wow - did any of them put their heads down and fall asleep? Did any of them ask “when am I ever going to use this stuff?â€
LOL… No. But, it’s funny - I like teaching the kids better… They are smarter than the adults and catch on more quickly. Odd huh?
Two more weeks and I am off for a month - Yippee - ky - aaaaa!!
Comment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
I’ll bet you that at the end of that month, you’ll be ready to go back to school. Seems that brilliant people don’t handle long periods of nothing to do or boredom well - but no doubt you’ll enjoy finding out, huh? :D
June 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmHey there! I got your email and owe you a response. I was in Savannah last week attending and teaching a seminar while you were working too much (though for an excellent reason:D).
Comment by unbelievable
Could you please do this sh¡t off board?
June 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmOr did you just wait for this situation to tell everyone ALL about yourself?
Comment by unbelievable — June 24, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
I taught for two semesters at a university. I taught an estate planning course for seniors and graduate students. I hated it. By then they are all too jaded. It is difficult to convince a 21 year old that there may be more in them that they realize. With teenagers you can infect them with positive attitudes about themselves. You can teach them to find what their strengths are and how to overcome weaknesses.
Everyone who knows me says that I will not go a week without working before I am certifiable. That may be true but I am willing to risk it!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:02 pmTwo more weeks and I am off for a month - Yippee - ky - aaaaa!!
Comment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
While you’re at it,how about taking a month off from TP so we don’t have to hear ALL about Unbelievable.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmComment by Just sayin’ — June 24, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Wow - who pissed in your post toasties?
If you don’t like it don’t read it as*hole. You know - free speech and all. Unless, of course, you are a neocon and don’t believe in such things.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:04 pmWhile you’re at it,how about taking a month off from TP so we don’t have to hear ALL about Unbelievable.
Comment by Just sayin’
Feel free to take your own advice and p!ss off.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmMaybe I’m still groggy, too, from being up late, but I seem to remember (maybe some time last year?) Bill Kristol admitting on one of the Sunday talking heads shows that he, and PNAC, had been wrong.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:08 pmAnyone else? It’s like Rush Limbaugh saying after the Mid-Terms that he was glad he didn’t have to carry water anymore for people who didn’t deserve their water carried. Next day, business as usual.
Everyone who knows me says that I will not go a week without working before I am certifiable. That may be true but I am willing to risk it!
Comment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
It’s weird what a small window you have to get through to a kid after they are old enough to comprehend you are saying, yet before they begin to think they know it all :D
I would hate the job if it weren’t for the students. Because otherwise it’s just way too much paperwork…
You definitely don’t seem like the type to sit still for very long… :D
June 24th, 2007 at 1:08 pmComment by Just sayin’ — June 24, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
You really are a dick aren’t you?
This is what you do - when you see a comment posted by Unbe or me - skip over it. I do this with Valiant Anus, I mean Venus, and it works wonders!!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:09 pmJules and gummitch,
I think it’s just jealous. It mistakes us conveying our daily lives for bragging… It can’t be all that ‘normal’… LOL
June 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pmBTW, I’m willing to bet that Fux Noose bans Juan Williams from appearing on their network again. I wonder if they’ll punish Brit Hume for using his brain?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pmThis is what you do - when you see a comment posted by Unbe or me - skip over it. I do this with Valiant Anus, I mean Venus, and it works wonders!!
Comment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
I completely agree!
I’m guessing that no one ever asks it about its life and it’s just jealous…
June 24th, 2007 at 1:13 pmJules,
I’ll email you a bit later… I’ve got to get some chores done.
Enjoy your countdown to boredom, I mean freedom :D
June 24th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI wonder if they’ll punish Brit Hume for using his brain?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Did he inherit one? Because he sure has not used it up to now.
There were THREE letters to the editor published in yesterdays Dallas Morning News that were in opposition to the Iraq war and not one in favor. That is amazing because the DMN is EXTREMELY conservative. If progressives are making inroads here then this country may have a fighting chance. That is if we can get the democrats in office to use their backbones and stop backing down to repugnuts.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:17 pmCaption contest:
Kristol - Of course he’s the Vice Emperor, pshhaw.
Comment by RUCerious
Better:
You! Far*ed!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI’m guessing that no one ever asks it about its life and it’s just jealous…
Comment by unbelievable
Let’s get this straight,NO ONE on this board ASKED you about your so called life. YOU opportunistically did that yourself.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThank you for derailing yet another thread you self centered FREAK.
Comment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Three letters against the war, and they actually published them!? Wow! I guess there’s hope after all.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThank you for derailing yet another thread you self centered FREAK.
Comment by Just sayin’ — June 24, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
You know, the thread would probably have gone on as usual had you not wasted several posts complaining about theirs, to which they had to respond, etc., etc. I’m not taking sides here, just pointing out the obvious.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:31 pmPeople! Just leave for brunch, okay?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:39 pmHi Jane!
Apologies for bailing on you and Merlin last night during our wonderfully bright conversation about age and wisdom…
There was a cosmic conjunction between the sixth beer, and a summer lightning storm, which snuck up over the ridge suddenly, mostly on account of the beers, and a narrow visual on the steadily dimming keyboard…
(we’re the same age, by the way)
[and, to whom it may concern, I hope my post has been sufficiently annoying to you…. just sayin’…..]
June 24th, 2007 at 1:43 pmComment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
The same age as the beer or Jane?
June 24th, 2007 at 1:48 pmThree letters against the war, and they actually published them!? Wow! I guess there’s hope after all.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
I know. I couldn’t believe it myself. In this bastion of intellectual wilderness some sun comes shining through!!!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:49 pmCaption Contest:
Kristol: Constitution, Schmonstitution!
June 24th, 2007 at 1:51 pmThey now call ignoring the law ‘ exempting themselves’ !
I’m thinking this process isn’t going work out for them.
The Bullshit is getting too deep even for these disgusting criminals.
June 24th, 2007 at 1:57 pmcaption:
Williams: “WTF is wrong with you?!!”
June 24th, 2007 at 2:07 pm“The same age as the beer…… ”
Comment by Jules
Does beer keep this long?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:08 pmYou know, the thread would probably have gone on as usual…
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Ah hem,Jane, I think ‘the usual’ would have been a comment about Bill Kristol or Dick Cheney;not a self serving post about herself.
Sure everyone does it some,but that one does it ALL THE TIME.
Maybe El Tonno is right;Maybe TP should have a daily thread called “Let’s Do Brunch”.
Until then,USE YOUR E-MAIL,people.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:09 pmComment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
My daughter asked me why nothing besides wine becomes sweeter with age. I told her I do. She said, “yeah, thats true, cause usually when people get old they get cranky.”
I laughed so hard I could hardly drive as she was trying to extract the foot from her mouth.
How long is beer aged?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:11 pmComment by Just sayin’ — June 24, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Once again - when you see my name - skip the post. You would not know how to respond intelligently anyway!
June 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pmOK, what’s your e-mail?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pmWhen the WAR CRIMES trials start for Bush and Cheney, Kristol needs to be one of the defendants.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:15 pmComment by Jake — June 24, 2007 @ 11:15 am
You are expected to do the most traitorous and moronic thing, dumbass. We expect no less from a mentally challenged 26% troglodyte.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:16 pmComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — June 24, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Yeah, he can be one of their character witnesses.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:16 pmBush (the “Kingâ€) will gladly leave office too. On January 20, 2009.
Maybe, but he will BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY for his WAR CRIMES.
Burn, TRAITOR coxucker PUNK, BURN!!!
June 24th, 2007 at 2:16 pmDepends on the beer, I’m sure,
Domestic American beers go straight from the vat to the supermarket shelves, so, what, maybe aged a week?
All I know is that the unusual occurence of beer in my household was very brief…
(So, how the hell are you, Just sayin’, got anything you want to talk about? It’s a beautiful sunny day here… are you having nice weather?)
June 24th, 2007 at 2:19 pmBush (the “Kingâ€) will gladly leave office too. On January 20, 2009.
President Hillary Clinton will have Bush and Cheney ARRESTED for TREASON against the USA as her FIRST official act. Arrest the TRAITORS!!
And the second act will open ALL THE RECORDS of TRAITORS Reagan and Bush 41, and show their TREASON in Iran/Contra. Bush43 BLOCKED their release, and we will FINALLY see what TREASON they have committed.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“the Fox News Sunday…”
Maybe they should change the name to Fox News HUNT Sunday. If they keep looking, they’ll find the news. It’s out there… waiting to be discovered.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:25 pmIf they keep looking, they’ll find the news. It’s out there… waiting to be discovered.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 24, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Sorry. Cheney had the news classified and stored in one of his man-sized safes. ;)
June 24th, 2007 at 2:31 pm…how to respond intelligently anyway!
Comment by Jules
Yea right! As if YOU’RE well know around here for YOUR intelligence. LOL
June 24th, 2007 at 2:32 pmIt’s time for your brunch,Sweetie.
Jules,
I happen to think your posts are intelligent. Keep it up! :)
June 24th, 2007 at 2:35 pmComment by Just sayin’ — June 24, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
First a*sshat, I am not your sweetie. Second, great comeback…somwhere along the lines of “I know you are what am I!” Finally, I don’t brunch, but thanks for the offfer.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:37 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Thank you Wayne, back atcha.
I really missed your blog. I even have it as one of my favorites. I kept looking for updated posts while you were “away.” I am glad you are back up and running :)
June 24th, 2007 at 2:40 pm(So, how the hell are you, Just sayin’, got anything you want to talk about? It’s a beautiful sunny day here… are you having nice weather?)
Comment by heyzeus
Beautiful day here too,heyzeus,thanks for asking;it’s nice to see you’re enjoying brunch with the gabbers.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:40 pmHow long is beer aged?
Comment by Jules
Depends on the beer and what you mean by “aged”. Beers that are naturally conditioned in the bottle and have a fairly high alcohol content (e.g. Belgian abbey and Trappist ales) can be as interesting to cellar as good wines, although very few will stand up to decades of aging.
Most beer is at its best when it’s fresh, which is why even Oly tasted pretty damn good in the tasting room at the brewery.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:43 pmFirst [a*sshat], I am not your sweetie. Second, great comeback…[somwhere] along the lines of “I know you are [] what am I!†Finally, I don’t brunch, but thanks for the [offfer].
Comment by Jules
Wayne: You might want to reconsider your judgement about Jules intelligence.I see a profanity;two missing words;a spelling mistake and a typo. All this fantastic wisdom from a teacher.Pity her students.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmKristol is as out of countrol as Cheney. He has no credibility. This is the man who wants us to bomb Iran off the face of the map and now. Keep on talking Kristol and the rest of the neo-cons too. The more you open your mouth, the more America turns away from the GOP.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:53 pmComment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Thanks, Jules. Now that I am free to do that at home, I should have more and more to put up there. But since that’s, technically, “off-topic”, we should stick to the subject at hand, which is…
When are they going to put three liberals up against Kristol and let them beat the crap out of himover his inane hypocrisies? And when are they going to start pointing out to viewers who don’t pay attention that Kristol was one of the people behind the invasion of Iraq?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWayne: You might want to reconsider your judgement[sic] about Jules[sic] intelligence.I see a profanity;two missing words;a spelling mistake and a typo. All this fantastic wisdom from a teacher.Pity her students.
Comment by Just sayin’ — June 24, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
And I see a misspelled word (judgment), a missing apostrophe (Jules’) and semi-colons where there should be commas.
It’s her ideas I find intelligent. We all make typing mistakes, and since this site lacks a preview pane (How about it, TP? A preview pane?), simple mistakes like the ones she made are ignorable.
What’s your excuse?
June 24th, 2007 at 2:58 pmKristol, Barnes, Buchannon, etc have no relevancy and other thasn Jake, very few pwople listen to them and even fewer believe anything they say. The NeoCon Flying Circus has just about run out of elephant dung to toss.
June 24th, 2007 at 2:59 pm“All this fantastic wisdom from a teacher.Pity her students.”
Comment by Just sayin’
Huh, a sexist teacher hater…..
June 24th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI’m hearing a familiar turn of phrase,
and a particularly warty troll face is appearing….
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 2:54
I know you are right about keeping on topic. However, don’t you find this weekly dosage of Kristol said _____ (fill in the blank with something incredibly stupid) frustrating?
Who the hell is watching this show? How do they keep advertisers?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pmAll this fantastic wisdom from a teacher.Pity her students.
Comment by Just sayin’ — June 24, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
I teach geometry. I tell my students that I wish my pen had spell check because I am the worlds worst. I thank (put in your choice of higher being here) for spell check!
I explain to my students that I make mistakes and to please correct me when they see that I have. This teaches them a lesson that you neocons refuse to believe. We are human and therefore make mistakes. Just because someone is a teacher, parent, or president, does not make them immune from making mistakes. It also teaches them that they have a voice that will be listened to. Another lesson you neocons have apparently not learned!
June 24th, 2007 at 3:08 pmFrom Jules: “I explain to my students that I make mistakes and to please correct me when they see that I have.”
Don’t worry over some jerk who criticizes your posts because of spelling errors/typos. You always get these types who do so because they have nothing to say to refute your arguments.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWhat’s your excuse?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
One of the Unwritten Laws of the Internet: he (or she) who would correct another’s post, will invariably make a mistake in doing it. It’s as predicatble as the dawn!
(I did that one on purpose.)
June 24th, 2007 at 3:14 pmNeo-Conservatives = Traitors and terrorists. Nothing else.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:14 pmComment by Steamboater — June 24, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
You are right, I know you are, but it’s a curse. Teachers are unfairly criticized so often it becomes a kneejerk reaction.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:16 pmAs the wheels of justice grind slowly I do hope that at some point William Krystal is implicated on one of the many crimes against the Constitution and the American people. A just punishment would be to deport him to Israel. He is not an American but an agent of the Israeli’s.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:16 pmComment by kasinca
I hate to mess with your alliteration, but you should shoehorn “cowards” in there, somewhere.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:17 pmWhat’s your excuse?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Nice try Wayne. You might want to consult your dictionary again.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:20 pmJUDGEMENT is a correct spelling.
O.K.,you got me on the possessive apostrophe,but the other punctuation was up to me.I didn’t even mention Jules’ punctuation.
O.K.,you got me on the possessive apostrophe,but the other punctuation was up to me.I didn’t even mention Jules’ punctuation.
Comment by Just sayin’
Good thing you didn’t, judging from this example.
There are spaces after commas, are there not?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:23 pmbut the other punctuation was up to me.I
And after periods, as well …
June 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pmNow, can we get back on topic?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:26 pmComment by Just sayin’ — June 24, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Well, my dictionary lists it as “judgment”, with “judgement” being considered “Chiefly British”. Being American, I prefer the former spelling.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pmSomeone say judgement?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pmIs Daryll here?
HEYZEUS:
You’re SO right man. It’s only the teachers here that talk too much about themselves that I complain about.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:33 pmYou’re SOOOO smart.
Was Jules your teacher?
#30 “I doubt Kristol’s response would have been thus had Al Gore tried to assert it.”
Comment by marlow
It is dumbfounding to even THINK of how the repugs would have reacted if Al Gore or any Democrat had attempted a fraction of what this cabal of criminals has done.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pmKristol is not a Repug… he is a NeoCon. His agenda has only one aim, the survival of Isreal. While a noble cause, it is not the role of the US to do his work for him. Unfortunately, he and his PNAC friends have invaded the very depths of the WH and now have total control.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:41 pm#110 Comment by barfly — June 24, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Comment by kasinca
I hate to mess with your alliteration, but you should shoehorn “cowards†in there, somewhere.
How about “Tcowards?”
June 24th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThere are spaces after commas, are there not?
Comment by barfly
Are they?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:42 pmNice chattin’ with you chaps, but it’s time for brunch.
“…It’s only the teachers here that talk too much about themselves that I complain about.”
Comment by Just sayin’
Yeah, well, it’s always something with you, isn’t it?
I can see how the teacher thing probably gets your goat,
never forgave them for not passing you I suppose.
And you’re still slogging along in your deepening rut, blaming someone or something else for your failures.
(Hey, you could be as effective a presdident as what we’ve got now!)
The problem with ruts, is that eventually they get so deep, you forget to notice you are even in one.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pm#100 Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
We all make typing mistakes, and since this site lacks a preview pane (How about it, TP? A preview pane?), simple mistakes like the ones she made are ignorable.
Yeah, a preview pain would be great. It still wouoldn’t stop the missspellinks thouhgt.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:48 pmCaption Contest:
Juan Williams: What are you? Drunk?
June 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmComment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
LOL. Maybe add a spellchecker, too? TP uses WordPress (I think). Do you know if other sites that use it have preview panes or spellcheckers? If so, then TP should be able to easily incorporate those. I do believe it would help make for more intelligent-looking discourse even if intelligence is lacking in the words themselves.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:52 pmHi Merlin!
June 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pmThanks for the chat last night, I had to bail out of cyber space on account of the lightning storm that snuck up on me on account of the beer I was drinking….
I got 20 years before I catch up with you, but I’ll spend every moment wrapped around your finger. ;)
Kristol is not a Repug…
Comment by Upside00 — June 24, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
I agree. I have known some decent people who happend to be republicans. I would not describe Kristol as a decent person.
June 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmThe root problem with Dick(head)’s and Chimpy’s position is that they spring forth from the mind of David Addington. He’s the one, single most guy, since day one, cooking up the legal postions of this entire administration.
He has a completely ph*cked up view of The Constitution and the structure of our democracy!!!
He hates the balance of power and would create a King Botch if he could.
I’ve complained about this guy for years and the blogs, MSM, etc. ignore his threat to our individual freedoms!!!!!!!!!!!! Get this guy out of the WH and we might a have chance of reclaiming our personal freedoms!!!!!
June 24th, 2007 at 3:56 pmDixie,
You are so right about Addington. He has been, along with Rove, Wolfowitz and Perle, the most influential people in the BushCo WH. And the fact that they aren’t quite as well known as Darth and Dubya makes them even creepier.
It will be such a pleasure to watch them swirl the bowl as they get flushed in January 2009. Unfortunately, the streaks they will have left on the bowl will take more than Mr. TidyBowl to clean up!
June 24th, 2007 at 4:31 pm#119 Comment by Upside00 — June 24, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
June 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pmKristol is not a Repug… he is a NeoCon… Unfortunately, he and his PNAC friends have invaded the very depths of the WH and now have total control.
Exactly right. This is an important point that we should be making. Again and again! Although it is fun to say Rethugs etc., it does not come across to the public in a meaningful way. THESE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS. They are neocons! The uninformed public does not understand that, and they buy the neocon “frame” that they are. To them, all this is about, is partisan politics.
Lakoff is right. We need to reframe the conversation with the public so that the truth is seen, and our value system comes through. Like using “invasion and occupation” instead of “war.” When I talk to conservatives I like to say this:
“The Republican Party doesn’t exist anymore! The people in power now who call themselves “Republicans” are not that at all. They are neoconservatives. These people, like parasites living off its host, have destroyed the party from within. If I were a Republican who loves my country I would be angry as hell at what these bastards have done to my party.”
How funny. A petty and jealous troll whines and rages that Jules and I exchanged a couple of brief posts about ourselves and then goes on to clog the thread repeating the miscontrued content those posts. LOL
Try myspace.com troll - maybe you’ll make a friend or two. It seems to work for my 16 -17 year old students.
And, like Jules said - if you don’t like what we have to say, skip our posts. The First Amendment affords us the right to say whatever we like, as long as it harms no one. It equally affords you the right to skip them. It does not, however, afford you the right to shut us up. And you won’t. No matter how big of a 4-year old temper tantrum you pitch.
The only one you can change is yourself. So start by changing YOUR behvaior that’s not working for you in this equation… And it’s a pretty long list.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:39 pmTHESE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS. They are neocons!
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
They are both!! They run the Repugniscum (Grand Old Pediphiles) party and they suck up to people with interest that rest outside of our country’s best interest!!!!
Until the real conservatives in the Repugniscum party (oh, there are none) throw these “neocons” in jail, then there is NOT ONE PHUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEOCONS AND REPUGNISCUMS!!!
June 24th, 2007 at 4:46 pm#125 Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Do you know if other sites that use it have preview panes or spellcheckers? If so, then TP should be able to easily incorporate those. I do believe it would help make for more intelligent-looking discourse even if intelligence is lacking in the words themselves.
Unfortunately no. You are right, of course. Unfortunately, fear of work and change appears to be endemic to sites once they are up and running. And of course there is the expense, downtime etc. along with a myriad of excuses that inhibits improvement. I often wonder where attention to detail went. The concept of “value” changed in the 80s. It used to stand for a combination of “quality, price and service.” The “new” definition is Value=Price. Quality and service were strangled in their beds by the technique of assumption. (”Hey, all quality and service is the same, you know? Like a can of soup is the same where ever you buy it, right? So, what ever is cheaper is your best value!) Totally false reasoning, but the public has bought it hook line and sinker.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:46 pmIf Dickie DooDoo shot Irving Kristol, Billy Boy would be defending Dickie. He’d say that Irving got in the way, came out of nowhere and anyway Irving is a member of Al Quaeda and therefore should have been executed so Dickie actually did a favor for the U.S.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:47 pm#130 Merlin
Well said!!!! You get it!!! I just wish more of the Progressives would too, but the NeoCons are very good at diverting attention away from what is really important to what they want us to follow. A good example is to see how Immigration has taken over as Issue #!, from the Iraq Clusterf@ck. They have no good answers and their base is leaving them, and they know it will go on LOOONG past September, so they find another hot topic.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:47 pm#126 Comment by heyzeus — June 24, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Hi Merlin!
Thanks for the chat last night, I had to bail out of cyber space on account of the lightning storm that snuck up on me on account of the beer I was drinking….
Ditto on the chat, and you made the right choice. Magic in those storms, you know.
I got 20 years before I catch up with you, but I’ll spend every moment wrapped around your finger. ;)
An uncomfortable position to assume! I’d rather we work together as equals :D
June 24th, 2007 at 4:51 pmBill Kristol: supreme ass-wipe.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:51 pmComment by Upside00 — June 24, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
And, of course, that immigration discussion is almost entirely about the people who come here illegally, and almost never about the businesses that illegally hire them. If no one would hire them, they wouldn’t risk their lives to come here. But I don’t want to inadvertently derail this thread. back on topic:
Is William Kristol the biggest douchebag inthe world or what? (I think he stole the honor from Novak.)
June 24th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI got 20 years before I catch up with you, but I’ll spend every moment wrapped around your finger. ;)
An uncomfortable position to assume! I’d rather we work together as equals :D
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Actually, Merlin, you’ll catch up to him in ten years. When you’ve gotten ten years younger, he’ll have gotten ten years older. Then you’ll both be the same age. :)
June 24th, 2007 at 4:54 pmYou know, you’re right. Paperwork can be a real pain in the neck. But that’s what responsible, law-abiding people do.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:57 pmI guess Delusional Dick had his fill of paperwork when he had to file not once or twice, but five times for draft deferments to avoid serving his country in the Vietnam War.
Poor, poor five-deferment Dick. Let’s cut him some slack and let him stay in his “happy place,” thinking he alone is above every law . . . including that pesky one that says you shouldn’t go hunting after downing a few brewskies.
#138 Wayne,
Exactly right, and if you look closely, you will see that on all the ICE raids so far, no company has been punished, just the illegals rounded up.
And the Chamber of Commerce wants to keep it that way, as does Dubya.
June 24th, 2007 at 4:59 pmComment by dixie blood — June 24, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
THESE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS. They are neocons!
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
They are both!! They run the Repugniscum (Grand Old Pediphiles) party and they suck up to people with interest that rest outside of our country’s best interest!!!!
I know you are angry as hell at what is going on! So am I!!! You have never seen my rath against these bastards who parrot the neocon line. (Don’t f*ck with Merlin, I tell them.)
That said there really are a lot of good Republican people out there, and ranting at them and blaming them for the sins of the neocons is not only unfair, it pushes our cause backwards. They are uninformed and ignorant which is what we have to change in the face of the MSM (which is where they get all their info.) An informed public is the basis of our Republic!
We have made considerable advances and the neocons are spinning apart. Not enough votes yet to affect real change, but ‘08 is coming fast. Let’s be calm as our anger drives us to throw the bums out and seek justice.
June 24th, 2007 at 5:10 pm#139 Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 24, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Actually, Merlin, you’ll catch up to him in ten years. When you’ve gotten ten years younger, he’ll have gotten ten years older. Then you’ll both be the same age. :)
At which time we will pass each other like ships in the night. He heading toward death, and Merlin toward a reverse birth.
June 24th, 2007 at 5:19 pmAn uncomfortable position to assume! I’d rather we work together as equals :D
Comment by Merlin
sounds good to me… :)
June 24th, 2007 at 5:26 pmah, yes, that born again feeling…
That said there really are a lot of good Republican people out there.
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
You left out the rest of my post:
Until the real conservatives in the Repugniscum party (oh, there are none) throw these “neocons†in jail, then there is NOT ONE PHUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEOCONS AND REPUGNISCUMS!!!
Which left PLENTY of ROOM for the REAL CONSERVATIVES out there to correct the shit in the Repugniscum Party. You need to read my entire post!!! Where are these so-called good Repugniscums? I don’t even hear a breath in a vacuum from whoever or wherever they are!!
Care to name just 5??
June 24th, 2007 at 5:26 pmand Merlin toward a reverse birth.
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
That sounds awfully uncomfortable for mama Merlin!
June 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pmComment by dixie blood — June 24, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
I know plenty living here in Texas that are pretty disturbed by what is going on in the republican party and some who are not very well informed.
They are not what Bush would describe as his base because they are not wealthy. Some of them still have not gotten the message though. A lot of them still believe, and I quote, “He is a good christian.” My reply is ro ask them what is so christian about sending soldiers to die for oil? What is so christian about invading a sovereign nation? I usually get no response.
June 24th, 2007 at 5:38 pmKristol is as much a republican as John McCain and Boehner and the rest of the republicans who have and continue to support Bush’s calamitous policies. The majority of them support the continuation of a war in Iraq that was lost the very first day an american soldier stepped foot in Baghdad. They believe success is as much just around the corner as Hoover believed prosperity was. Americans continue to die daily in Iraq and these SOB’s sleep well at night. They have a big surprise waiting in ‘08 when they become as much of a relic as one of the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.
June 24th, 2007 at 5:41 pm#129 Comment by Upside00 — June 24, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
You are so right about Addington. He has been, along with Rove, Wolfowitz and Perle, the most influential people in the BushCo WH. And the fact that they aren’t quite as well known as Darth and Dubya makes them even creepier.
Right you are. Machiavelli wrote the neocon handbook and Leo Strauss buffed it up to “modern” standards. The main change is that the rulers now are the invisible monied corporate interests instead of a Prince who is visable. The president is a puppet run by midlevel neocon thugs (Cheney and company, while behind these ideological runts are the “ruling”-in Machiavelli’s view- philosophers like Irving and Bill Kristol, Michael Ledeen, Charles Krauthammer, Podhoretz etc.) who are well compensated for their “work.” I believe that the “conspiracy theory” about the Bildebergers and the Tri Lateral Commission plotting the course of the world, is not that far off the mark. It is scary to look into what they affect and who are their invited members. “Skull and Bones”, the training ground them, is small frat stuff in comparrison.
It will be such a pleasure to watch them swirl the bowl as they get flushed in January 2009. Unfortunately, the streaks they will have left on the bowl will take more than Mr. TidyBowl to clean up!
Yeah, we have a lot of work to do, as Al Gore so eloquently points out in his new book, “The Assault on Reason.”
June 24th, 2007 at 5:41 pmDixie Blood:
” A lot of them still believe, and I quote, “He is a good christian.†My reply is ro ask them what is so christian about sending soldiers to die for oil? What is so christian about invading a sovereign nation? I usually get no response.”
Thisi is what you get when religion becomes a shield in defense of anything. It’s happening in Iraq and here. These people have no answers because to them anyone who brings out the band and waves the flag to a christian tune is right no matter what. Thankfully, their numbers are relatively small compared to the rest of us who recognize the dissonance and have had enough.
June 24th, 2007 at 5:47 pm#148 Comment by Steamboater — June 24, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Kristol is as much a republican as John McCain and Boehner and the rest of the republicans who have and continue to support Bush’s calamitous policies.
Not true, Steamboater. Kristol is a neocon! Bush is a neocon puppet. He rules only by the strings attached to the neocon hands that manipulate him. Don’t be fooled! look deeper behind the facade. A neocon is NOT a Republican. Republicans are not neofascist. Neocons are!
Go back and read posts #129, 130, 142 and 149. There is a bigger picture that you are missing. Read books by Ledeen (on Machiavelli) Shadra Drury (on Leo Strauss) and James Mann (on The Vulcans.) I can give you info on those books if you are interested.
Its a whole other world that is lurking just beneath the surface.
June 24th, 2007 at 5:54 pm#147 Comment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
They are not what Bush would describe as his base because they are not wealthy.
This is incorrect. The base is the religious right. The wealthy are the masters running the show. As Machivelli says, you need foot soldiers to run your errands and fight your wars. He states that the policy should be to use what ever religion is prevalent in your country for that purpose. The rulers don’t have to believe as their base does, they only have to convince them that they do.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:01 pmComment by Jules — June 24, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
You are right that many main stream true conservatives are pissed with their (used to be) party and the failures of GW Botch.
Where are their voices?? Sure you can find them all ‘roun’ but none speak up!! They are afraid of their own party. They don’t organize or march or anything!!! How sad and ph*cked up is that. They know that their own party will kick them to the curb if they dissent!! This is bad!!
Name me just 5 ph*cking Repugniscums that might make a teeny, tiny difference in my life in the next 12 months give or take a ph*cking decade!!!
June 24th, 2007 at 6:07 pmThis is incorrect. The base is the religious right. The wealthy are the masters running the show. As Machivelli says, you need foot soldiers to run your errands and fight your wars. He states that the policy should be to use what ever religion is prevalent in your country for that purpose. The rulers don’t have to believe as their base does, they only have to convince them that they do.
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
You are so right…uh…correct!!! Corporations have donated to and danced with both worthless political parties in this country for years. The religious reich wing christianistas decided that their god was a Repugniscum. That stupidy is why they consistently and constantly find themselves being treated like a red headed step child by the Repugniscums.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:15 pm#145 Comment by dixie blood — June 24, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
You left out the rest of my post:
Until the real conservatives in the Repugniscum party (oh, there are none) throw these “neocons†in jail, then there is NOT ONE PHUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEOCONS AND REPUGNISCUMS!!!
Whew, you appear to be one very angry lady! Now you are apparently addressing it toward me. If not, tell me that. It was your anger I was addressing and how it can cloud your reason into making blanket statements which don’t do any good other than acting as a relief valve.
Which left PLENTY of ROOM for the REAL CONSERVATIVES out there to correct the shit in the Repugniscum Party. You need to read my entire post!!!
Whew, More anger punctuated by 3 !!!
Where are these so-called good Repugniscums? I don’t even hear a breath in a vacuum from whoever or wherever they are!!
Ah calming a little? only 2 !!
Care to name just 5??
Look, its obvious that you don’t believe what you said (”Which left PLENTY of ROOM for the REAL CONSERVATIVES out there…”) or you would not pose this question thinking that I could not find 5 of them. When you decide to calm down, a serious discussion is possible. Perhaps another day. I’ll wait. We progressives need to reason and think. Not fly off the emotional handle and rant, especially at each other.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:21 pm“He states that the policy should be to use what ever religion is prevalent in your country for that purpose. The rulers don’t have to believe as their base does, they only have to convince them that they do.”
Comment by Merlin
Basically, this process has been in effect throughout the history of the Christian relgion, and its relationship to all western empires since that time.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:26 pm#154 Comment by dixie blood — June 24, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Thank you! Calm has arrived. Please ignore my post # 155. Our posts crossed in the mail.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:26 pmWhen you decide to calm down, a serious discussion is possible.
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Don’t wait on me, explain your useless sh!t to the 78% who think Respugniscums suck to the core!!!
USELESS TROLL!!!
NAME JUST FIVE!! JUST 5!!!
IF YOU CAN’T THEN JUST DROP OFF THIS THREAD AND ADMIT COMPLETE DEFEAT!!!
I DON’T NEED TO CALM DOWN YOU NEED TO PROVIDE SOME FACTS!!
NAME JUST 5!!!!!
June 24th, 2007 at 6:27 pmthe history books, unless they get burned by booshKKKo, will read “… and the populace played on, until the coast cities drowned, tornado alley blew up, hurricanes decimated the gulf coast, the top 1% started living in climate controlled bunkers and with king cheney III installed armed guards employed by halliburton patrol electrified fences keeping the riff raff enslaved, unprotected and undervalued. Then someone finally woke up and said, “He did WHAT?!”
We deserve everything we get if we allow Bullseye Dick another shot at our freedom. Next he will ask his loyalists to do the ol’ stiffarm hitler salute to give him inspiration. He really only has to remember o’l andrew jackson or richard nixon for that, but he doesn’t need it, as he is a veritable fount of bad faith actions, sneering all the way. Endless evil is the bush legacy, the history books may burn but the story will be told nonetheless, just keep posting, the Deleter can’t delete everything.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:38 pmWe progressives need to reason and think. Not fly off the emotional handle and rant, especially at each other.
Comment by Merlin — June 24, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Your’re not “progressive” enough for me. I don’t need excuses and politeness now. I need people who are willing to stand up to ALL of the useless sh!t perpetrated on the people of this country by both useless parties!!!
My emotions are mine!!! Don’t focus on my typography and try, just try to focus on how ph*cked we all are by the top .0001 % wealthy in this country!!!
June 24th, 2007 at 6:40 pmMerlin,
Just admit that you’