Comments on: REPORT: Stop Training Iraqi Security Forces And Redeploy U.S. Troops

By: guns'n'bibles

guns'n'bibles — Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:40:57 +0000

I heard Bush and the Republicans are coming out with an Iraq War Tax so all good Americans can show their patriotism and “put their money where their mouth is” Can anybody give me any detials on this?

By: JK

JK — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:16:44 +0000

Steamboater,
Other than the US crimes against Iran including threats, invasion with special forces, acts of terrorism through paramilitaries, what is your evidence that Iran is a rival at all, much less “America’s greatest rival in the Middle East” ?
See # 94 above.

All of the accusations, lies, disinformation and other falsifications about Iran hurled thus far (,shades of Iraq,) have been discredited, debunked, and exposed for the false pretence that they are.

Other than that, you are correct about Afghanistan but you fail to mention that this would not be the case without our invasions (”war crimes”).
JK

By: Steamboater

Steamboater — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:54:47 +0000

” … billions of dollars of U.S. military assistance is going to some of the closest allies of Americaâ€™s greatest rival in the Middle East â€” Iran. The Shiâ€™a-dominated Iraqi national army and security forces could quite quickly turn their weapons against American troops and allies in the region.”

This is exactly what happend to us with Afghanistan. We armed the Afghans to the hilt and then thsoe who are fighting us now are using our training and have used our arms against us. History repeating itself has turned into a bad joke.

By: WM

WM — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:27:03 +0000

Marco. Wow. First, take an English class bud. Second. Read some history. Do some research on the subject. Any war with China or Russia and your squid brain will be blown up in a nano-second. So, shut the _uck up and get out of the way. Or, are you 7 ? In that case, keep it up kid but ya bother me.

By: Marco

Marco — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:45:36 +0000

BARTLEBEE ,
You want an American defeat correct?
1st of all your scenario happened, a Fascist American government would come to power in a generation rebuild the US Army and launch a war of revenge.
2nd US Airpower would decimate the Chinese and Russian armies.
If they have to transposrt it can be shot down.
They’re not invincible.
The advantage they have is Leftists like you that would cheer and support them.
You’re a traitor!

By: JK

JK — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:00:37 +0000

MsJoanne,
Thanks for the compliment on my post. I think you are on target with most of whatâ€™s in your posts. Yes I did read the thoughtful in depth letter to Bush from Ahmadinejad, sent I believe soon after the US invasion of Iraq offering help for both Afghanistan and Iraq. It explained the common interests and if the Bush regime had be acting in good faith (not) and had accepted Ahmadinejad’s offer, there would likely be relative peace today and our forces could have been home a year or more ago. Unfortunately, even though you, I, and the Bush regime knew Iraq and Iran posed no threat to the US and that their people wished us no harm, claims to the contrary were calculated pretenses. The goal from the beginning was permanent US military tyranny for the extended region, brutal pacification and enslavement of the civilian populations, the takeover of their economies, control of the flow of the oil and gas and the ability to maximize its price. Like refineries, the pipelines are choke points in the system with the goal being able to limit flow and exert hegemony over all the countries, including our European allies.
There is no war on Terror. The threat was manufactured to replace the exaggerated â€œcommunistâ€ threat when the cold war ended. The goal is never ending war enabling never ending tyranny at home and around the world.
I agree with you on the extreme vulnerability of our economy and currency as well as the sick relationship with China while hopes for real freedom, human rights, democracy and self-determination in both countries is crushed by the growing juggernaught of corporatcracy.
In terms of military threat to the US, I think it is very real and comes from within. Half of the armed forces in Iraq are now paramilitary contractors, most owned and run by dangerous right wing forces. Over half of the intelligence in the US is now contracted out. Corporations are building the massive net of detention (concentration) camps across the country which cumulatively could divide and imprison millions of Americans. Combine the with the ongoing â€œTotal Information Awarenessâ€ and other secret ops including the theft of multiple massive databases every week with the private militaries based in this country outside the control of Congress and the courts and the extreme risk becomes apparent. If Bush or anyone else should execute the plans on the shelf for Marshall Law (dictatorship), even a military coup to save our republic would likely fail because they could neutralize the command and control of the US military (and their families) in days. This country has never been (since 1812) faced with such a clear and present existential danger.
We urgently need multiple impeachments and the prosecution of those who have been repeatedly pre-emptively pardoned for the past 33 years. We need a re-do of the Church committee hearings, but this time on steroids. And we need to make sure that history is not hidden again.

By: Krazny

Krazny — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:43:06 +0000

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070625/ap_on_re_eu/nireland_troops_withdraw

Interesting story about combating terrorism in the UK

By: Zooey

Zooey — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:35:18 +0000

Terrorists canâ€™t really hurt us if we donâ€™t panic.
Comment by BARTLEBEE

Absolutely. Well said.

By: MsJoanne

MsJoanne — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:10:19 +0000

Terrorists canâ€™t really hurt us if we donâ€™t panic. Bartlebee

But they (Rep and Dem) now know how to control us through fear, and the mass-majority is too dumbed-down to know better. Not Canadian

Brilliantly said both of you!

By: Not Canadian

Not Canadian — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:54:35 +0000

Yes Bart,
But they (Rep and Dem) now know how to control us through fear, and the mass-majority is too dumbed-down to know better.

By: BARTLEBEE

BARTLEBEE — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:37:01 +0000

Not to overpost, but I feel the need to state this again.

Terrorists canâ€™t really hurt us if we donâ€™t panic.

By: BARTLEBEE

BARTLEBEE — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:35:57 +0000

Please explain what the â€œwar on terrorâ€ is.

Comment by Katie â€” June 25, 2007 @ 3:28 pm

War on terror = RED HERRING

By: Katie

Katie — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:28:35 +0000

“It would also have disasterous effects on the morale in the war on terror. Redeploying troops out of Iraq would mean a serious loss of face for the western world.

Comment by MAF54″

Please explain what the “war on terror” is. I have never been able to figure that one out. And, you are quite correct when you say the leaving Iraq would mean a serious loss of face in the western world. We need to continue to be the bully of the world so that all the other countries will respect us. That’s working so well for us, isn’t it.

You are a sad specimen of a human being if you think that sending our children to Iraq to be slaughtered is necessary so that the US doesn’t “lose face”.

There is a special place in hell reserved for you and your ilk. You will love it there. You will be able to play through eternity with all your other friends including the Bush Crime family and all the right wing talking heads. You can all sit around and whine and complain about how all those “libtards” took back the government and spoiled all your grand plans. Hopefully you will be meeting your maker soon since you are certainly not a positive force in the universe.

By: MsJoanne

MsJoanne — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:27:43 +0000

Bartlebee…did I just hear an OPEN WIDE FOR CHUNKY song playing in the background? :-D

China could bring our economy to its knees. We’re already exporting most of our manufacturing jobs there. Their buying power will far surpass us and we will get to the point where we’re barely a consideration when doing product development. I work with so many companies these days who have manufacturing facilities all over Asia.

I can’t imagine what our admin thinks is going to happen. People can only shop (thus support our economy) when they work. When you work for food, shelter and gas how do you shop, hence support our own economy? Christ, I don’t have an MBA and that’s simple enough for me to get. We, as a country, already live on debt.

All these missteps this administration has thrown our way will do nothing but make life a misery here in our own country.

And yet those idiotic 26% support it…even when it’s in most of their own worst interest. I doubt that all 26% of those schmucks own companies are are prospering or will prosper from this. They keep listening to Rush, Hannity or O’Reilly thinking they are the little guy. Wake up morons, those guys make millions. DO THEY? Hardly.

Shoot themselves in the foot and enjoy it…that’s what they are doing.

By: BARTLEBEE

BARTLEBEE — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:26:44 +0000

George W Bush, and his policy of pre-emptive war has made the US about a thousand times less safe then we were pre 03.

Terrorists can’t really hurt us if we don’t panic.

But destroying decades of alliance building and making friends of our enemies because of a few cowards like Bush and the wimps that follow him can do some real damage. The kind of damage you don’t recover from.

By: BARTLEBEE

BARTLEBEE — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:23:26 +0000

Well if I get one message and only one message across Kraz, its that the recent merger of the Russian and Chinese military is the most significant event of the 21st century.

And the fact that it was done IN RESPONSE TO our new policy of pre-emptive war makes it the most DANGEROUS development of the 21’st century.

The news isn’t talking about it. The press ignores it. Everyones crying about silly little terrorists, who at most can kill a few thousand of us with a dirty bomb. We’ve got real threats out there. And the reason we have them is simple.

TOUGH TALK. DUMB ACTION.

We need to go back to making FRIENDS, and not turning the entire world against us.

By: Krazny

Krazny — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:19:42 +0000

Keep in mind 100 years ago British supremacy was assured world wide. While the UK is still powerful, with a good industrial base, and standard of living, they are not the superpower they once were.

By: BARTLEBEE

BARTLEBEE — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:16:58 +0000

Weâ€™re keeping it down now.

Comment by CompostTROLL â€” June 25, 2007 @ 3:11 pm

Good. I’ve got some more for you.

Open wide…..

By: BARTLEBEE

BARTLEBEE — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:14:20 +0000

Chinaâ€™s star as the new super power is already rising. Whether they defeat the US through direct military operations, or just continue to bankroll us into poverty, the rise of red china as a superpower is almost assured. The middle east would rather deal with them, as would most of the rest of the world at this point.

Comment by Krazny â€” June 25, 2007 @ 3:11 pm

That is unfortunately quite accurate.

You’ve got vision, and the rest of the worlds wearing bi-focals.

By: BARTLEBEE

BARTLEBEE — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:13:03 +0000

I think you have some explaining to do for being a flat loser. If your party had any brains, it wouldnâ€™t have the 3-3044 score that it presently has.

Again, youâ€™re hype, Iâ€™m action. Conservatives are in control, and that streak isnâ€™t likely to break soon, or very often.

Comment by Inbred â€” June 25, 2007 @ 3:11 pm

Conservatives are not in control genius. Or can’t you count?

Second, its not “my party”. I am not a democrat and never claimed to be.

I am supporting them for one reason and one reason alone.

The enemy of my enemy, is my friend.