Just stop lying. You’re not an active Christian by your own admission. It’s just one more step to admit that you’re jusr pretending to be a Christain to hedge your bets. It doesn’t matter what you actually believe – it’s not up to you anyway… Good luck with wasting your life over it… LOL

Comment by unbelievable

“Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior”

Ephesians was written by Paul to people that were already Christian, it was aimed to point out that all Christians are part of the church and the church is part of all Christians. One does not have to go to church to be part of that, but why would I expect you to understand what you are reading as you couldn’t even understand a simple articl with percentages. So you can talk about me wasting my life over my beliefs but I will not be the wasting eternity by not believing.

Clearly you’re lying about that.

I already posted one of several passages that say that Christ = the church, and therefore attendance only = Christian.

Just stop lying. You’re not an active Christian by your own admission. It’s just one more step to admit that you’re jusr pretending to be a Christain to hedge your bets. It doesn’t matter what you actually believe – it’s not up to you anyway… Good luck with wasting your life over it… LOL

Comment by unbelievable

I have also read the entire bible, it does not say that you are not a Christian if you do not go to church.

No, you’re talking about people who claim to be something they aren’t because they are hedging their bets that just calling themselves Christains will be enough to get them into a heaven should it exist. That’s about 35% of teh population. The other 35% of active Christians are what I was talking about. You tried to claim I said REAL Christians when I said active. Sounds like you have a guilty conscious. Probably because you’re trying to get something without earning it.

One does not have to go to church to go to heaven, perhaps you should actually try reading the bible before proclaiming to know about it.
Comment by yep — June 27, 2007 @ 11:48 am

I’ve read the entire bible. Most Atheists have. It’s why we know it better than you hypocrites who claim to be something you aren’t. The bible says – no church, not a Christian. Fortunately for you, in the end, it won’t matter anyway because when you die there is eternal nothingness… But, it’s funny to see you think you’re fooling a god you claim is omniscient… LOL

Then it is wrong.

Probably because it was just a quick telephone poll. It wasn’t as elaborate as other polls that were conducted over time, and analyzed.

Please learn to read, it really will help your cause.
Comment by yep — June 27, 2007 @ 11:45 am

That’s funny. Not only am I more literate than you, because I was able to find a comprehensive poll, but it’s YOUR cause that needs help… Or rather the cause of the 35% active Christians who needs help… You’re just a lying wannabe.

It doesn’t matter because it wasn’t obscure, andit was generated by the same folks who established this country and wrote the Constitution.

They flatly and clearly stated that the US was not a Christain country. Doesn’t matter if it was written on the wall at Wendy’s. They said it and you have NOTHING but ad hominems in response.

The fact that article 11 was taken off the treaty and is not in Arabic is very relevent. It was written in there by one man and just passed through. It in no way gives an official stance of the country.
Comment by yep — June 27, 2007 @ 11:42 am

It was not written by one man in private. It was written and endorsed by the men who founded our country. If anyone knows the intent of their separation of church and state, it is they.

Or are you saying that the Founding Fathers didn’t know what they were saying?

You’re desperate now and it’s obvious…

Comment by Unbievable.

And I am talking about Christians, which account for 80% of the poplulation. One does not have to go to church to go to heaven, perhaps you should actually try reading the bible before proclaiming to know about it.

That is NOT what it says. You added the 5% part – that was NOT in your original post. There are more than 5% of the country that are a different religion besides Christianity.

82%(christian)+5%(non Christian)=87%( total perecentage that follow a specific religion). Not 71%.
Comment by yep — June 26, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

Only when you add your extra line…

Cheater.

Comment by unbelievable

It does in fact say that other religions only make up 5% of the population.

“…with 82 percent of the poll’s respondents identifying themselves as such. Another 5 percent say they follow a non-Christian faith, such as Judaism or Islam.”

Please learn to read, it really will help your cause.

Does matter. It doesn’t change the fact that in 1796, it was clearly stated the the United States is NOT a Christian Nation.

You really can’t handle it can you?

It is also important to note that the Arabic version of the treaty that was for the Muslim nation of Tripoli did not even contain article 11.
Comment by yep — June 26, 2007 @ 6:53 pm

Again, irrelevant to the fact that it was stated.

Does matter if they wrote it in purple crayon upon pink drapery fabric – it’s still a fact that it was definitely stated that the US is NOT a Christian Nation. While, you could not produce anything that stated the opposite, and have decided to run away now…

Yeah, call yourself a Christian all you want… We both know it’s a lie.

Comment by unbelievable

It does matter because this is one obscure treaty that has nothing to do with the constitution. The fact that article 11 was taken off the treaty and is not in Arabic is very relevent. It was written in there by one man and just passed through. It in no way gives an official stance of the country.

Stop lying. You have no facts, just a load of nonsense.

United States: In 2003, from data collected in those areas that sufficiently reported gestational age, it was found that 6.2% of abortions were conducted from 13 to 15 weeks, 4.2% from 16 to 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks. In 1997, the Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions in the U.S. past 24 weeks to be 0.08%, or approximately 1,032 per year

0.08% isn’t ALL THE TIME. Join reality. It hurts less.

There are at least three medical procedures associated with late-term abortions:

Abortions done for fetal abnormality are usually performed with induction of labor or with IDX; these procedures result in an intact body that the parents can hold and take pictures of as part of their mourning process. Elective late-term abortions are usually performed with D&E.

And very few ‘partial birth’ abortions are performed of that 0.08%

Your points are nothing but pure regurgitation of feminist dogma and propaganda.

No, they are the result of rejecting patriarchy, and seeing the reality that women are equal to men. You can’t handle that. Not my problem.

Why the reluctance to acknowledge the truth?
Comment by lambchops — June 26, 2007 @ 8:57 pm

LOL… You mean the truth about needing to oppress women to compensate for a very small winky? I thought that was obvious, and didn’t need to be stated.

You’ve been debunked. Go suck your thmb now…

Does matter. It doesn’t change the fact that in 1796, it was clearly stated the the United States is NOT a Christian Nation.

You really can’t handle it can you?

It is also important to note that the Arabic version of the treaty that was for the Muslim nation of Tripoli did not even contain article 11.
Comment by yep — June 26, 2007 @ 6:53 pm

Again, irrelevant to the fact that it was stated.

Does matter if they wrote it in purple crayon upon pink drapery fabric – it’s still a fact that it was definitely stated that the US is NOT a Christian Nation. While, you could not produce anything that stated the opposite, and have decided to run away now…

Yeah, call yourself a Christian all you want… We both know it’s a lie.

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams…. what has no meaning admits no explanation.
– Thomas Jefferson, to Alexander Smyth, January 17, 1825

We find in the writings of his biographers … a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstitions, fanaticisms and fabrications.
– Thomas Jefferson, to William Short, August 4, 1822, referring to Jesus’s biographers, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust.
– Thomas Jefferson, referring to the god of the Jews under Moses, in his letter to William Short (August 4, 1822)

It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticism that three are one and one is three, and yet, that the one is not three, and the three not one…. But this constitutes the craft, the power, and profits of the priests. Sweep away their gossamer fabrics of fictitious religion, and they would catch no more flies.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams (August 22, 1813), Works, Vol. IV, p. 205, Randolph’s edition

The metaphysical insanities of Athanasius, of Loyola, and of Calvin, are, to my understanding, mere relapses into polytheism, differing from paganism only by being more unintelligible. The religion of Jesus is founded in the Unity of God, and this principle chiefly, gave it triumph over the rabble of heathen gods then acknowledged.
– Thomas Jefferson, equating the Dogma of the Trinity with polytheism and calling it more unintelligible than paganism, in his letter to Rev Jared Sparks upon receipt of the latters’ latest book (November 4, 1820)

The hocus-pocus phantasm of a god like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822 Jefferson’s Works, Vol. IV, 360, Randolph’s ed.

In our Richmond there is much fanaticism, but chiefly among the women. They have their night meetings and prayer parties, where, attended by their priests, and sometimes by a hen-pecked husband, they pour forth the effusions of their love to Jesus, in terms as amatory and carnal, as their modesty would permit them to use a mere earthly lover.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, November 2, 1822

A professorship of theology should have no place in our institution.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, October 7, 1814, referring to the University of Virginia

Sure…

You keep commenting on what “real” Christians are, but honestly that is not for you to decide.

Strawman. I sais ACTIVE Christians. You can’t ‘win’ unless you lie about what I claimed.

It’s also not for you to decide – it’s for the religion and the religion relies on the bible which says you must attend church to be a Christian.

It will be decided on everybody’s judgement day.

There is no such thing. You believe a lie.

If somebody sees themselves as Christian that means they believe that god created us and his son Jesus born to the virgin Mary for our sins, you can put up parts of the bible that talk about going to church all you want, that does not change how at least 80% of the population feels. Whether you like it or not, 4 out of every 5 people in this country are Christian and politicians are elected by the people and have a duty to serve their constituents.

Of course, you’re one of the foolish ones who thinks that you’re hedging your bets by just claiming to be Christain, thinking it will be enough to save you. Read the bible. It’s not enough. Those who don’t practice in accordance with the word, as as doomed as those who don’t believe at all. And as a former Christian, I’ll tell you that life is sooooo much better without the constant fear and judgment.

We may not have an official religion, but we are a country that is overwhelmingly Christian.
Comment by yep — June 26, 2007 @ 6:00 pm

Only if you consider 35% overwhelming, and no doubt, you do. LOL

We are asked about this one on a fairly regular basis. As with many spurious Jefferson quotes, it is frequently seen on various Internet sites. Many sites do not cite a source, but a good number of those that do attribute this quote to a letter from TJ to a “Dr. Wood.” As far as we know, TJ never wrote to an individual calling him/herself Dr. Wood. Another suspicious element is the statement that he does not find in Christianity “one redeeming feature.” One presumes that Jefferson did, in fact, find some redeeming features in Christianity, otherwise he would not have taken the time to paste together his own versions of the Bible. See the report Jefferson’s Religious Beliefs for more information.
Comment by yep — June 26, 2007 @ 6:04 pm

You take issue with one of his MANY quotes I posted? There actually IS a reference:

I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Woods (undated), referring to “our particular superstition,” Christianity, from John E Remsburg, Six Historic Americans: Thomas Jefferson, quoted from Franklin Steiner, Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents (1936), “Thomas Jefferson, Freethinker”

Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814, responding to the claim that Chritianity was part of the Common Law of England, as the United States Constitution defaults to the Common Law regarding matters that it does not address. This argument is still used today by “Christian Nation” revisionists who do not admit to having read Thomas Jefferson’s thorough research of this matter.

[Creeds] have been the bane and ruin of the Christian church, its own fatal invention, which, through so many ages, made of Christendom a slaughterhouse, and at this day divides it into castes of inextinguishable hatred to one another.
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Whitmore, June 5, 1822, quoted from James A Haught, editor, 2000 Years of Disbelief

That is NOT what it says. You added the 5% part – that was NOT in your original post. There are more than 5% of the country that are a different religion besides Christianity.

82%(christian)+5%(non Christian)=87%( total perecentage that follow a specific religion). Not 71%.
Comment by yep — June 26, 2007 @ 5:53 pm

Only when you add your extra line…

Cheater.

Comment by lambchops — June 26, 2007 @ 1:01 pm

Yeah, because that very rarely happens in this country, and when it does, it’s to save the life of the mother, not a non-viable fetus.

Comment by unbelievable — June 26, 2007 @ 5:26 pm

Bull. It’s NEVER used to save the life of the mother. Ever. And it’s done to viable fetuses. And it happens often.

Your points are nothing but pure regurgitation of feminist dogma and propaganda.

Why the reluctance to acknowledge the truth?

You do realize that when the Treaty of Tripoli was renegotiated eight years after it was broken by Tripoli later and article 11 was dropped? It is also important to note that the Arabic version of the treaty that was for the Muslim nation of Tripoli did not even contain article 11.

“I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.”

We are asked about this one on a fairly regular basis. As with many spurious Jefferson quotes, it is frequently seen on various Internet sites. Many sites do not cite a source, but a good number of those that do attribute this quote to a letter from TJ to a “Dr. Wood.” As far as we know, TJ never wrote to an individual calling him/herself Dr. Wood. Another suspicious element is the statement that he does not find in Christianity “one redeeming feature.” One presumes that Jefferson did, in fact, find some redeeming features in Christianity, otherwise he would not have taken the time to paste together his own versions of the Bible. See the report Jefferson’s Religious Beliefs for more information.

82% of 87% is 71.14%!!!!! LOL… That actually CONFIRMS my first poll…

Again – you can call yourself a Christian, but it doesn’t make you one. It does make you a hypocrite however.

Comment by unbelievable — June 26, 2007 @ 5:05 pm

Now lets read this really slow in order for you to grasp it entirely.

“Nine in 10 (91 percent) of American adults say they believe in God and almost as many (87 percent) say they identify with a specific religion. Christians far outnumber members of any other faith in the country, with 82 percent of the poll’s respondents identifying themselves as such. Another 5 percent say they follow a non-Christian faith, such as Judaism or Islam”

It says that 87 percent say that they identify with a specific religion. 82% of respondents (not just ones that say they identify with a specific religion) say they are Christian and 5% follow a non Christian faith.

82%(christian)+5%(non Christian)=87%( total perecentage that follow a specific religion).

Not 71%.