Obama Smeared As Terrorist Again On Fox News
Obama Smeared As Terrorist Again On Fox News
This past weekend, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) delivered a speech commemorating the 50th anniversary of his Protestant denomination, the United Church of Christ. In the speech, Obama argued that faith in the United States has been “hijacked” by “the so-called leaders of the Christian Right, all too eager to exploit what divides us.”
Last night on Fox’s Hannity and Colmes, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter responded to Obama’s comments by implicating him as a terrorist. Coulter remarked, “Anyone named B. Hussein Obama should not use the words ‘hijack’ and ‘religion’ in the same sentence.” Host Sean Hannity added that Obama’s remarks were part of a “black separatist agenda.”
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Fox News is still planning to hold a Democratic presidential debate cosponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus in September. Yet this sort of racist and religious bigotry aired by Fox is nothing new. Earlier this year, the network basely suggested that Obama attended a radical anti-American madrassa “financed by Saudis” as a 6-year-old old in Indonesia.
News Hounds has more.
UPDATE: Yesterday on ABC’s Good Morning America, Coulter said, “If I’m going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I’ll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.” Crooks and Liars has the video.
Transcript:
OBAMA: Along the way faith stopped being used to bring us together faith started being used to drive us apart. Faith got hijacked.
Faith got hijacked partly because of the so-called leaders of the christian right who’ve been all to eager to exploit what divides us. At every opportunity they’ve told evangelical christians that democrats disrespect their values had hate their church while telling the rest of the country that religions americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage, school prayer and intelligent design.
COLMES: That was presidential hopeful Barack Obama accusing conservatives of hijacking religion from the democrats. The freshmen senator that the christian coalition has pushed its agenda on the american people and made anyone who disagreed appear immoral. he also took a shot at the religious right for criticizing his church.
Joining us now is author of Godless Ann Coulter and Fox News political analyst and writer at gather.com Laura Schwartz. Now ann, when you write a book called Godless about which you’re talking about liberals isn’t that divisive?
COULTER: Right unlike a guy running for president making that little speech in a church in order to advance his nomination to be the democrat presidential nominee.
COLMES: Oh, so only republicans can talk in churches
COULTER: No, but I do think someone named B. Hussein Obama should avoid using hijack and religion in the same sentence.
COLMES: So in other words you want to paint him as a terrorist by continuing to highlight his middle name.
COULTER: right, just avoid those two together.
COLMES: I see, so only you can talk like that. Only conservatives. Someone who’s middle name is hussein should not talk like that.
COULTER: Avoid, hijack and religion.
COLMES: I see. When you say for example, Democrats cannot “conceive of hate speech toward christians because in their eyes christians always deserve it”
COULTER: Right, as per Obama’s speech, right now. How divisive we are…
COLMES: But when you said, “assuming you aren’t the fetus the lefts most dangerous religious belief is their adoration of violent criminals.” — you’re not painting…
COULTER: That’s a beautiful line, isn’t it?
COLMES: In other words, only the right has religion the way it should be but not the left. Right?
COULTER: That’s correct.
COLMES: So, I think we made the point Laura that Ann Coulter might be, you know, Exhibit A on how they like to use religion and try to clobber liberals over the head with it. Of course unfairly so, and inaccurately so.
SCHWARTZ: Well not to mention Pat Roberson who said that liberals want to do to the evangelicals what Nazi germany did to the Jews or Jerry Fallwell before he passed saying that “hillary Clinton will will motivate the evangelicals more than Satan himself.” You know, this is not the kind of language we need in politics today and Barack Obama’s begger message of his entire speech from the weekend his central theme was bringing Americans together. So instead of be divisive and try to divide let’s look at what comes together. It’s an interesting trend among evangelicals these days. Because they are focusing on ending poverty, saving mother earth for our children and working toward health care. I think the democrats might have a bigger trend than evangelicals this time.
COLMES: That’s right. Ann do you agree with Barack Obama when he says “As children of God we believe in the worth and dignity of every human being”?
COULTER: Um, yeah, we actually do believe it. Which is why we don’t believe you should be puncturing the skulls of fetuses and sucking the brains out. And by the way, when he talks about how divisive Christians are… Why are we the ones who have to give in so that the world can come together. Why don’t they give in on issues like abortion?
HANNITY: We talk about being divisive, but we have his pastor on this program, remember who has a very black separatist point of view, about the black church, dedicate ourselves to the black community, the black this… Well I confronted him over this, lets look at Obama’s pastor, right here, who he now distances himself from….
(BEING VIDEO CLIP)
HANNITY: IT seems to be that you say the “black community,” “black family,” “black work ethic, black community…”
(CROSSTALK)
HANNITY: Sir, Whether you like it or not I’m going to get my words in.
(END CLIP)
HANNITY: It’s all about the “black community,” it’s a “black separatist” agenda.
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Hannity? LOL just LOL
June 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pm"Fox News" has taken the place of "Government Intelligence" in Websters definition of "oxymoron".
June 26th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWell this is just FOX crap, but Obama needs to come out swinging on it, or Ann Coulter will continue to trash him.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:21 pmHannity and Coulter?
Persona non grata.
'Nuff said.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:23 pmLOL too funny. I don't get it, but hey when you fox noise, who cares. This is for entertainment purposes only after all. Oh look Paris Hilton!
June 26th, 2007 at 2:25 pmI'm ashamed of Sen. Barrack Obama's comments about the GOP highjacking holiness.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:25 pmI do not believe in punching females, but I would make an exception for Ann Coulter. I would knock her block off if she got anywhere near me.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:25 pmObama is a token presidential candidate if I ever saw one. All fluff, no merits.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pmtoken
Hello racist a$$hole!
June 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pmDaryll > chill out and act rationally. You better wise-up, because many GOPers are hypocrites who pay for sex with male hookers.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:28 pmMan, I just absolutly hate that hag...what a piece of crap she is...scum, pure scum...my apologies to scum.
IGNORE THE TROLLS - Debate good, Conservatron dumber than a Sh!t Sandwich
June 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pmoh my god, they finally got the two hookers together.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pmHate-filled, black-souled, Coulter is nothing if she is not an inflammatory boil on humanity. She has also called for the assassination of John Edwards.
Where is the outrage from the media watchdogs?
Too busy raking in their $$ from the cretins and misanthropes who like to watch the bitch.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pmFox is f*ck all scared of Barack Obama. :)
June 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pmBigotry at FOX is nothing new, especially coming from Sean or Ann. If they keep working at it, soon most of their audience will think Obama had something to do with 9/11.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pmDaryll, are you not ashamed of Ann Coulter's comments? If not, then please renounce your religious beliefs because you are not following them. Oh yeah right, your religious beliefs are based on fantasy.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWho listens to that bit** Coulter? She is a nut. I wouldn't give her the time a day.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:30 pmTo be more accurate. Osama Obama is not a terrorist but an enabler of terrorists.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI’m ashamed of Sen. Barrack Obama’s comments about the GOP highjacking holiness.
Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Ashamed? I can sort of understand angry or disappointed, but ashamed? That sounds like the same sort of throwaway line than Coulter used in that clip.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:31 pmCoulter and Hannity are evil incarnate.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:31 pmIf religion in the US has been hijacked by the "vast right wing conspiracy" - sorry Barack - the Left can take some measure of "spiritual" comfort in knowing they are on the Left Road with the United Church of Christ. There is not a Left wing cause they do not embrace: pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, socialized health care, anti-war, open borders, etc. etc. etc. This should be called the "Church of I AM Special No Matter What I Do."
Now let's get the choir practice underway, (tap-tap-tap)
"Me-me-me-me-me-me-me........"
My all time favourite source in finding Left-wack "religious" updates is the World Council of Churches. Anti-Israel and sympathetic to the plight of terrorists, these pathetically naive types should just save our enemies time and jump up on the cross. Hallelujah!!
June 26th, 2007 at 2:31 pmI would hope Fox and any other conservative source would be decent to Obama so that it would be that much harder for Hillary.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:32 pmSen. Barack Obama is slowly shifting toward the center and yet Hail Hannity and Marqueress de Coulter still bashing Obama as a terrorist. Apparently, you still can't criticize The Religious Right. Obama: DON'T STOP. GIVE 'EM HOLY ROLLERS THE HELL THEY DESERVE.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:32 pmTo be still more accurate, Fox News violated the Geneva Convention when they incited the American people to war against Iraq.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:32 pmWell anyone dumb enough to believe in Jesus, Virgin Births, Great floods, would beleive fox news.
Stupid American Christians!
June 26th, 2007 at 2:34 pmHannity and Coulter are vile entertainers, some folks like their venom just as some folks like Babs, Mike Moore, Rosie and the lefts group of gab. I am sure Coulter is saying what her mouth breathing crowd wants to hear. Hannity is the personification of KEEP AMERICA WASP, so we know where he is coming from. Obama isn't a WASP so they do not like him pure and simple.
Furthermore, if you look at black conservatives who agree with these GOPhers, you will find that they are WASP too, just in blackface. I am a black man and I am just calling it like I see it. RUN /TROLLS ATTACK
BTW-Do not upset their Leave it to Beaver (Ann Coulter as June Cleaver) status quo. They gets angry and defensive.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pmFox WANT Clinton to run. It will make a repug victory in 08' almost assured. If Obama gets the nod, the repugs will almost certainly lose in a landslide. Thus Fox is a Hillary cheerleader.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pmThen Abraham Lincoln and George Washington would believe Fox News.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pmI’m ashamed of Sen. Barrack Obama’s comments about the GOP highjacking holiness.
Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Ashamed? I can sort of understand angry or disappointed, but ashamed? That sounds like the same sort of throwaway line than Coulter used in that clip.
Comment by Plantsman1 — June 26, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Can you please explain to me how the GOP has highjacked holiness? Your response is appreciated.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThese idiots are amusing. Circus time.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:36 pmhope mAnn's crabs hopped on over to Hannity for a party
June 26th, 2007 at 2:37 pmColmes deserves his ass kicked for representing the left on this propaganda show.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:37 pmCoulter will always paint Obama as a terrorist based on his name, because she can't find any other "scandal" about him to exploit, and arguing meaningful issues just isn't her thing. At least Colmes called her on it -- which is more than I can say for Chris Matthews gushing about her "beautiful writing" and "brilliant mind".
Poor, poor Ann. As the American public gets more and more jaded, she continually has to find ways to be more outrageous to maintain the flow of attention her way that she so desperately needs.
Coulter isn't the only one who clutches at straws to attack Obama. Hannity's best evidence against Obama is some comments from his former pastor??????? Sean -- wanting to support the black community doesn't make someone a racist or a separatist. Even if you could find a clip of this pastor actually advocating separatism, racism, or any kind of hate-white speech, that doesn't automatically mean Obama embraces those same beliefs.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:37 pmI think VV is about to lose it.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:37 pmCan somebody please rip Ann Coulter's dress off to find out if she is actually a male in drag, or had a sex change operation?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:38 pmTo be more accurate. Osama Obama is not a terrorist but an enabler of terrorists.
Comment by Frank J — June 26, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
I’m ashamed of Sen. Barrack Obama’s comments about the GOP highjacking holiness.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:38 pmComment by Daryll
Oh, pullleeeez! Everyone knows that Rove used christians to gain Bush his elections. And you better damn well believe that christianity was hijacked and I saw it my own church and witnessed it in many others. I will never tolerate the likes of anyone who professes God to send up an agenda in a society based in love that puts intolerance as a prerequsite to love.
Hannity and Coulter are vile entertainers, some folks like their venom just as some folks like Babs, Mike Moore, Rosie and the lefts group of gab. I am sure Coulter is saying what her mouth breathing crowd wants to hear. Hannity is the personification of KEEP AMERICA WASP, so we know where he is coming from. Obama isn’t a WASP so they do not like him pure and simple.
Furthermore, if you look at black conservatives who agree with these GOPhers, you will find that they are WASP too, just in blackface. I am a black man and I am just calling it like I see it. RUN /TROLLS ATTACK
BTW-Do not upset their Leave it to Beaver (Ann Coulter as June Cleaver) status quo. They gets angry and defensive.
Comment by Texasjuice — June 26, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Way to degrade yourself. Regarding your racial category, are you stating that your skin is the color of tar?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:38 pmI’m ashamed of Sen. Barrack Obama’s comments about the GOP highjacking holiness.
Comment by Daryll
Just ashamed? Not offended? Get you get a listen to Mizz Coulter? Wooo! Now that's offensive.
You do know she plays the right as much as she plays the left, don't you?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:39 pmRoger_Roger
Fox WANT Clinton to run. It will make a repug victory in 08′ almost assured. If Obama gets the nod, the repugs will almost certainly lose in a landslide.
How do you figure?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI think VV is about to lose it.
Comment by Juan C
Wow. No kidding.
Want some popcorn? :D
June 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pmPeople tend to forget that the majority of Christians in this country are not right-wing evangelicals. The majority still belong to mainline, nonfascist denominations. The media (and the Christofacists' loud, whiny mouths) has created the opposite perception. "Christian" does not automatically equal "dominionist".
June 26th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWay to degrade yourself. Regarding your racial category, are you stating that your skin is the color of tar?
Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
What the hell is wrong with you?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:42 pmChristopher Hitchens is right, religion poisons everything. I can't wait for the day an openly atheist person wins the Presidency. Sure I'd prefer the religious left to the religious right being in power, but when will we move beyond discussing political issues in terms of god and faith? How ridiculous is it that, in the 21st century, at CNN's 'faith forum' Democratic presidential candidates were asked how they tell the difference when praying between god's voice and their voice!! And do you "believe" in evolution as if scientific facts about the natural world are to be picked cafeteria style according to one's tastes. The state of our political discourse is appalling and the sooner 'faith' is taken out of the mix and becomes a personal issue again, the better.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:42 pmNumerous meetings were held at the WH with leaders from congregations. The sole purpose was to find whether their congregation could be persuaded to support WH agendas (some having nothing to do with faith, but with war). Rove laughed at this bunch as they left.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:42 pmZooey > Daryll is a racist GOPer, but someday he will get drunk at a church social event and wake-up nude in the morning with the pastor.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:43 pmSure I’d prefer the religious left to the religious right being in power, but when will we move beyond discussing political issues in terms of god and faith?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:44 pmComment by simplicio
I long for the day, even as a christian.
Rove laughed at this bunch as they left.
Comment by leftcoast
It surprises me that religious groups choose to ignore this administration's disdain for them. Why they continue to back them is beyond me.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:44 pm#45Zooey > Daryll is a racist GOPer, but someday he will get drunk at a church social event and wake-up nude in the morning with the pastor.
Comment by Jay Randal
June 26th, 2007 at 2:46 pmJay- Precious!
Want some popcorn? :D
Comment by Zooey
Frankly, Im having a hard time trying to figure out what the hell is she talking about.
What the hell is wrong with you?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:46 pmComment by Zooey
Years of interrupted masturbations.
JuanC. - That's too precious...."Lose it?" Left-wing "Christian" social-justice religions were hijacked by the Unitarians and Humanist Movement back in the `1930's.....But at least we know where the "Christian Left" is on Sunday mornings......(I do have a question for my atheist friends - are the Christian Left,( by identifying themselves as Christians, a title which proclaims the divinity of Christ) - as stupid and uninformed as Chrisitan conservatives?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:46 pmAnd I long for a return to Separation of Church and State.
I know that's just details, but as they say, the devil is in the details.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:47 pmthanks for your comment leftcoast. I'm an atheist but I imagine there are many Christians like yourself who don't like what is happening to your religion, i.e. that it is being used for political gain. It is damaging to our political discourse and damaging to Christianity in my estimation.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:47 pmMiss Molly - Obama's other scandal involves real estate....but it is NOT called Whitewater.....
June 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmZooey, I'm surprised they back the admin. too. But, religion and politics can be the vilest of friends and enemies. That's mostly because they never learn what love really is.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI think VV is about to lose it.
Comment by Juan C
Does she have anything to lose? Oh yeah, she could lose the lies and propaganda.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWay to degrade yourself. Regarding your racial category, are you stating that your skin is the color of tar?
Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
What? Hey, some (quite a few, in fact) black people have skin the color of tar, or close to it. You think there's something wrong with that? You think someone "degrades" him or herself by referencing that fact? Whew. It always come out, doesn't it?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:49 pmvaliant > I heard that Ann likes to meet other skinny ladies, so you 2 could become very close pals > lol.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:50 pmWhat is the Right really but :
The Elite 1%
June 26th, 2007 at 2:50 pm+
a mangy collection of assorted duped groups and unstable individuals.(an All-Star team of the mentally crippled)
I think VV is about to lose it.
Comment by Juan C
about to lose it? jeebus christ, she's been gone for a while now.
Keep feeding the hate machine, FOX. I just love having to look
no further than an interweb clip to prove my point to some
of my "conservative" friends and relatives.
Keep on keepin' on freaks... you make it so easy for me
June 26th, 2007 at 2:50 pmto show how far detached from planet earth this new strain of
conservatives have become.
Texasjuice - You idiot - Hannity is no WASP - He's Irish-Catholic....But I'm sure the acronym WASP confuses you......
June 26th, 2007 at 2:50 pmFrankly, Im having a hard time trying to figure out what the hell is she talking about.
Comment by Juan C
Hmmmmm, I see what you mean.
Clean up on aisle 50....
June 26th, 2007 at 2:51 pmWho is Pete Hegseth?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:52 pmWhat is Vets for Freedom?
Anyone?
Zooey, I’m surprised they back the admin. too. But, religion and politics can be the vilest of friends and enemies. That’s mostly because they never learn what love really is.
Comment by leftcoast
They live in fear. It's as simple as that...
June 26th, 2007 at 2:52 pm21# Comment by valiant venus
If religion in the US has been hijacked by the “vast right wing conspiracy†- sorry Barack - the Left can take some measure of “spiritual†comfort in knowing they are on the Left Road with the United Church of Christ. There is not a Left wing cause they do not embrace: pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, socialized health care, anti-war, open borders, etc. etc. etc.
Venus, don’t forget to add: “National†not socialized health care, pre-natal care, education for all, fair credit card and banking pratices for the general public, fair housing, fantastic cures brought through stem cell discoveries, exposing the reconstruction corruption of the U.S. occupation in Iraq, to finally capture or kill Osama bin Laden, medical care and benefits for the 9/11 responders, complete medical care and benefits for our U.S. troops, and criminal accountability to those who lied and cheated in getting the U.S. into that GFL—Big Fat Lie—known as the Iraq war.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmBut at least we know where the “Christian Left†is on Sunday mornings……
Comment by varicose veinous
I know where some of them are: in my Roman Catholic parish.
The Christian Left believes in actively doing the work of Christ, rather than spouting off about how holy they are and how horrible other people are.
I imagine that your life is just filled with charitable work, right? And I imagine you tithe? Without cheating?
Right wing hypocrites make me gag.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmZooey > Daryll is a racist GOPer, but someday he will get drunk at a church social event and wake-up nude in the morning with the pastor.
Comment by Jay Randal — June 26, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
I'm a dark-toned individual, just like Texasjuice. I am not an African American because I wasn't born in Africa, and I have never been considered a naturalized U. S. citizen. I am not black because I am not the color of tar nor shoe polish. I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmCoulter, Hannity, and the rest of the rabid right buzz will do everything they can to exploit Obama's middle name of Hussein to make as much connection as possible to Iraq's dictator. Yet Hussein isn't that uncommon a name, and Saddam certainly didn't have a monopoly on it. It was also the name of a very respected king in Jordan (and ally of the U.S.).
And equating Obama with Osama bin Laden would only work on the most stupid slice of Americans. (oh wait -- this would be the same slice of Americans who believe that Saddam Hussein orchestrated the events of 9/11).
June 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmThere is something really sick and twisted with reighwingnut females...it is not normal. They were either dropped on their heads or sexually abused as children.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmWhat? Hey, some (quite a few, in fact) black people have skin the color of tar, or close to it. You think there’s something wrong with that? You think someone “degrades†him or herself by referencing that fact? Whew. It always come out, doesn’t it?
Comment by Acanthus
Daryll is a self-loathing black man.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:53 pmJay - I know fat good ol' boys like yourself rarely like slender women...Whew!!!
That offer to knock Ann's block off.....how does a marshmallow get that much strength?? That's not very Christian of you!!
June 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pm#6 - "I’m ashamed of Sen. Barrack Obama’s comments about the GOP highjacking holiness." Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Why would you be ashamed for having the GOP's tactics being exposed?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWay to degrade yourself. Regarding your racial category, are you stating that your skin is the color of tar?
Comment by Daryll
You're the ass "ashamed" of Obama. Here is a brilliant black man that you are going to denigrate because you don't agree with one comment, which is true by the way.
And what exactly did Texasjuice say that leads you to believe he was belittling his own skin color? Nothing, your just pulling crap out of your ass as usual.
I know that mAnn Coulter is on this thread but it's not actually a gay thread so why don't you STFU.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:55 pmAh, he's a black conservative...'nuff said.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:56 pmLandSurveyor,
Pete Hegseth
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pete_Hegseth
June 26th, 2007 at 2:56 pmJuan C,
I do happen to think that people who believe in God are deluding themselves. That doesn't make them bad people, I just happen to think that they are wrong. I see no evidence for the existence of a god or gods. Hey maybe I'm wrong, but I like some evidence before I believe in things. I happen to think that doubt and reason are better tools for improving the state of humanity than faith in things unseen.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:56 pmDaryll > so you are coffee colored and that makes you better than someone who has darker skin?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:56 pmI like Colmes' radio show but hoy cow he's played like a fiddle by Hannity and Coulter every show.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:56 pmWhat? Hey, some (quite a few, in fact) black people have skin the color of tar, or close to it. You think there’s something wrong with that? You think someone “degrades†him or herself by referencing that fact? Whew. It always come out, doesn’t it?
Comment by Acanthus — June 26, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Most are true Africans that are not mixed with American blood. There is a difference in physical features between a true African and a dark American.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:57 pmvaliant lol > I do not like toothpick gals like yourself. You and Coulter are just bags of bones.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI am attaching a link for all the santimonious, hypocrites, from the reichwing. Jesus was not a religious reichwinger and as a matter of fact was and would be a liberal. Read them and weep.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
June 26th, 2007 at 2:57 pmWow, just wow. Coulter and Hannity got their start after they swung down from a tree, put on some pants, then someone handed them a mic.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:58 pmEat shit and die Daryll, preferably, in that order.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:58 pm#52-thanks for your comment leftcoast. I’m an atheist but I imagine there are many Christians like yourself who don’t like what is happening to your religion, i.e. that it is being used for political gain. It is damaging to our political discourse and damaging to Christianity in my estimation.
Comment by simplicio
June 26th, 2007 at 2:58 pmSorry to take so long to reply. Thread is slow. Of course I don't like my religion to be used for political gain. My belief is between me and my lord. Only he knows my heart. My goal is to just try to expemlify the love that is mentioned more times in the bible than any other word. I can't stop christians who use it for other means. Nor can an atheist leftwing or rightwing (not being sarcastic).
Blessings.
#37 Perhaps I should have explained "blackface" in spirit, not in the literal sense. Obviously Hannity and Coulter do not speak for all WASP. Sorry if I impuned those not on the Riech Wing agenda gulag. Its just hate the "agree with us or you are WRONG" attitude that is so repulsive but pervasive in politics today. Most talk radio and TV is conservative so that side has the greatest visibility in those mediums.
The same problem exist in many churches, follow a conservative interpetation of scripture or YOU are WRONG. I am so glad I do not depend of PASTORS or PUNDITS for my salvation. Can you imagine Jesus being interviewed by Hannity and Coulter? An entire show would be devoted to him supporting prostitution because he doesn't want them stoned. They would question the veracity of his 40 days in the wilderness. Thats what they do.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI see Vailent venus is here, you can almost smell the KY.
I think Obama is mistaken, it is the radical Christian right which has hijacked the republican party. Even the middle of the road, republicans are having a hard time recognizing who they voted for. The best trick Rove played was making Bush appear to be a mainstream conservative, instead of the far right, idiot he is.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:59 pm#18 - "To be more accurate. Osama Obama is not a terrorist but an enabler of terrorists." Comment by Frank J — June 26, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
To be completely accurate: Pres. Bush has fostered an environment in Iraq that allows and encourages people to join terrorist oranizations, therefore, Pres. Bush is the biggest enabler of terrorists.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:59 pmI'll be very concerned if Obama WASN'T smeared by Fox News. They smear him because they know he is a legitimate threat.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pmCan somebody please rip Ann Coulter’s dress off to find out if she is actually a male in drag, or had a sex change operation?
Comment by Jay Randal --- Aww Jay, Yer just feeling threatened cuz she's got more balls than you do, and now you need to tell yourself that there must be a reason behind it. LOL Hey, maybe she's actually an alien! (Feel more human?)
and the sooner ‘faith’ is taken out of the mix and becomes a personal issue again, the better.
Comment by simplicio ---- Right? And then anyone who believes in that drivel can be sent to a 'camp', and kept away from the public so that they can never 'preach' their 'views' to anyone ever again! And that way we can ensure that anyone who is even an eensy weensy bit religious never gets into political office, and then there would truly be no danger of their views affecting their judgment......Y'know simp, the only way to ensure TRUE separation of church and state is to separate the 'religious' from the 'state'. /end sarcasm.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pmVV: last night JPark and I agreed that you were kind of hot. Will that make you grow something called heart? :)
June 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pmAccording to Carl Bernstein, over 400 reporters are working for the CIA as part of Operation Mockingbird. These include, but are not limited to:
* CBS (William S. Paley)
June 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pm* Chattanooga Times (Charles Bartlett)
* Christian Science Monitor (Joseph Harrison)
* Copley News Services (James Copley)
* Fox News (Sean Hannity)
* Louisville Courier-Journal (Barry Bingham, Sr.)
* The Miami News (William C. Baggs, Herb Gold, Hal Hendrix)
* Fox News - The O'Reilly Factor (Bill O'Reilly)
* Newsweek (Ben Bradlee)
* New York Herald Tribune (Stewart Alsop)
* New York Times (Arthur Hays Sulzberger)
* Time Magazine (Alfred Friendly, Charles Douglas Jackson,
Henry Luce)
* Washington Post (Walter Pincus)
* Washington Star (Jerry O'Leary)
#64 - Armando - Thanks for the reminders!! YOU are such an incompetent that you NEEEED someone to give you everything from cradle to grave and tell you how to vote.
Pssst....there's nothing fair about credit card prectices for the poor (but I guess if you've never had a credit card, you might not know this). Fair housing is great - public housing manufactures Democrat slums.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:00 pm#75 Do you know what FAITH is. Can't put your finger on it, or in it.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pmRovian Justice in the Banana Republic of Alabama
2007-06-25 11:56.
Dana Simpson, a Republican, had to open her mouth and blow the whistle. So now the Rovian mafioso-like intimidation begins:
The response to Simpson’s affidavit has been a series of brusque dismissive statements – all of them unsworn – from others who figured in the discussion and the federal prosecutor in the Siegelman case, who has now made a series of demonstrably false statements concerning the matter. She’s been smeared as “crazy†and as a “disgruntled contract bidder.†And something nastier: after her intention to speak became known, Simpson’s house was burned to the ground, and her car was driven off the road and totaled. Clearly, there are some very powerful people in Alabama who feel threatened. Her case starts to sound like a chapter out of John Grisham’s book The Pelican Brief.
Um, national media? National media where are you? This sounds like something you might want to look into — perhaps? Maybe?
Wouldn’t it be nice if the folks in the national media did their jobs these days? Well someone other than Seymour Hersh of course.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pmkasinca
Jesus was not a religious reichwinger and as a matter of fact was and would be a liberal. Read them and weep.
Sure, but he had a viable plan to feed and heal the poor, Magic. You guys have to take from the producers instead.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pmHe's also got a page dedictaed to him on Family Research Counsel. I believe he is a professional propagandist. Has anyone ever actually seen him fight on combat?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pmvaliant > I did trick you into acknowledging that you are a single skinny lady in San Diego, California, who masquerades as a married lawyer on TP.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:01 pm"mixed with American blood"? Ok, I'm going to leave you alone, because I see now that you have problems.You really need to go see about that. Seriously.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:02 pmZooey > Daryll is a racist GOPer, but someday he will get drunk at a church social event and wake-up nude in the morning with the pastor.
Comment by Jay Randal
Now that I'd like to see. Ann Coulter with her dress ripped off, well I have a sensitive stomach, so not so much. Just let me know what you found out.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:02 pmDaryll > so you are coffee colored and that makes you better than someone who has darker skin?
Comment by Jay Randal — June 26, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
You all are not able to comprehend the actual point. The term "black" was used to degrade individuals with a darker skin tone during the days of slavery(blackie). Why do we continue to categorize ourselves as a term that is full of degradation. Using this term to categorize ourselves is equivalent to calling each other N*ggers.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:03 pm#78 - I work with a few true African Americans.
My company has hired three people who were originally from Sudan, two from Egypt, and one from South Africa.
They've all been naturalized.
My co-worker from South Africa has very white skin. He always makes 'African American' on his company paperwork, because he is!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:03 pmLOL Higgins > Coulter is so masculine that she wears short skirts and tries to show off her clevage.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pm#92 and since faith is belief in things unseen with no evidence whatsoever it should be a personal matter. As it is, the fact that 'people of faith' are the only acceptable Presidential candidates for either party is absurd. Why should believing in things for which there is no evidence be a necessary quality in an individual running for office? Why is your belief in jesus or mohammed or whatever you happen to believe any more valid than belief in zeus or thor? It's not but that doesn't seem to keep people believing that their particular belief is the right one.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmlike some evidence before I believe in things. I happen to think that doubt and reason are better tools for improving the state of humanity than faith in things unseen.
Comment by simplicio
June 26th, 2007 at 3:05 pmThat's Ok. I was an Anne Raynd reader and Objectivist for sometime. I just found truth in love. Reason...have you found a reason for all this disaster in the world? I'm no zealot. I will never ask someone to follow me. But, nor shall I be led by zealot evil people like Cheney et al
Juan - My heart is working just fine - I love God, my family and country...in that order... You do seem to have a most sympathetic and gushing heart.....now what would it take for you to grow a brain?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:05 pm#60 Since, according to you, I am an idiot you might not read this but here goes.... I used WASP to indicate a certain type of person that Hannity, Rush, O'Liely (Catholic) are. Again, not so litteral. Sorry if the broad strokes are too broad. Not sorry about what I said.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:05 pmDemocrat Soldier
My co-worker from South Africa has very white skin. He always makes ‘African American’ on his company paperwork, because he is!
A kid in a chicago(I think) HS about 2 years ago got suspended for doing that. He was the only kid in school who was an immigrant from Africa (South Africa in this case, and he was white), and every year they handed out an achievement award to the African-American student who got the most votes from the student body, so he started a campaign to vote for him.
They forced him to apologize in front of the entire student body and faculty, and he had a couple day suspension.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:06 pmDaryll > I have many black friends of all different shades and none of them are ashamed of themselves like you are. Get over it and stop being a GOPer and a Bush lover.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:08 pmI’m ashamed of Sen. Barrack Obama’s comments about the GOP highjacking holiness.
Comment by Daryll
As well you should, as a Christian fundementalist, be Daryll. After all, you aided and abetted the hijacking of your religion, so when someone points it out to you you should feel deeply ashamed.
Particularly after reading what the book of Mathew had to say about people who broadcast their religion at the tops of their voices.
Oh, wait, that assumes you have actually read the book doesn't it?
VV:
Were it not for you religion changing whenever it is convenient to your argument, I would probably be surprised at just how incoherent your vapid and vile hatred is.
Unfortunately I have read your posts before and it is quite in keeping with your general demeanor.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:09 pmWhether the issue concerns gay Americans, 9/11, abortion, judicial appointments or political corruption, a seamless continuum of hate runs from today's Republican Party through to its most extreme proponents. And that means the GOP differs only in degree - not in kind - from the cartoonish and sometimes criminal likes of Ann Coulter, Fred Phelps or Eric Rudolph.
For the details, see:
June 26th, 2007 at 3:09 pm"Ann Coulter and Conservatism's Continuum of Hate."
Jay - You couldn't trick your way out of a massage parlour!! LOL!! There are more than one or two slender lady lawyers in San Diego....but, mercifully, we're not your type....so IF you ever raise Greyhound money to get out here, you probably won't notice us! Whew!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:10 pmMann Coulter...pre-op or post-op?
Inquiring minds want to know.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:10 pmThey forced him to apologize in front of the entire student body and faculty, and he had a couple day suspension.
Comment by squegeebooo
That's insane. These PC labels are faulty and stupid.
Theresa Heinz Kerry is an African American, for heaven's sake.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI do have a question for my atheist friends - are the Christian Left,( by identifying themselves as Christians, a title which proclaims the divinity of Christ) - as stupid and uninformed as Chrisitan conservatives?
Comment by valiant venus
Look village vilest mistakes us for people who give a shit about Christian "technicalities". Your right Juan, she's out of her mind. You want to talk divinity, go to one of your neocon blogs and start spewing this crap.
Oh and you've convinced us, you are as batshit crazy and pathetic looking as Ann Coulter.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:11 pmYou all are not able to comprehend the actual point. The term “black†was used to degrade individuals with a darker skin tone during the days of slavery(blackie). Why do we continue to categorize ourselves as a term that is full of degradation. Using this term to categorize ourselves is equivalent to calling each other N*ggers.
Comment by Daryll
Which is why, Daryll, those very people have chosen to describe themselves as African American, a term which you also reject.
But this is what makes me seriously doubt you're Black, African American or anything but a big phony:
Most are true Africans that are not mixed with American blood. There is a difference in physical features between a true African and a dark American.
What the hell is "American blood"? And you need to start paying more attention. Very dark African Americans are just as American as you; take a few classes on genetics sometime. And "true Africans" show an enormous range of physical features, along tribal and regional lines.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:11 pm#109 - "Whether the issue concerns gay Americans, 9/11, abortion, judicial appointments or political corruption, a seamless continuum of hate runs from today’s Republican Party through to its most extreme proponents. And that means the GOP differs only in degree - not in kind - from the cartoonish and sometimes criminal likes of Ann Coulter, Fred Phelps or Eric Rudolph."
Comment by Angry, Ignorant One
Angry One - Dead fetuses SWEAR liberals hate them.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:11 pmAcanthus
Frankly, as an African (Born in Africa, with citizenship in an African country) I feel that if you don't have dual citizenship you are not an African American, you are an American. Stop trying to hijack my continent.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pmOh and you’ve convinced us, you are as batshit crazy and pathetic looking as Ann Coulter.
Comment by shane
Have you noticed VV has only been showing up on the Coulter threads?
The michael troll will be here at some point. He luvs him some scrawny howler monkey.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:13 pmMiss Molly - Obama’s other scandal involves real estate….but it is NOT called Whitewater…..
Comment by valiant venus
All the shit going on with Republicans, you need a back hoe to get through it, and you people are going to make a big deal about one real estate transaction. Go for it. And then you Fox fools can bring up Edwards haircut, bunch of idiots.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:14 pmso, like, where's a link to the whole Obama speech. I'm tried of reading Murdoch and Coulter's take on Obama.
And if I read one more time about Obama's corrupt backers and it turns out to be a rehashing of the stale Rezko story, I'll hurl.
This is how Murdoch created the impression that the Clintons were corrupt; he'd run headline after headline about little scandals and never post the retractions when they stories went nowhere.
I mean, what's with peddling Obama's middle name as if he were a terrorist. Apparently King Hussein of Jordan was a great friend of the USA, but that's not who Ann wants you to think of.
BTW, Hussein is the Islamic equivalent of John or James or Paul or Peter. It's hardly a shocking name.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:14 pmJay, did I read you correctly? valiant > I did trick you into acknowledging that you are a single skinny lady in San Diego, California, who masquerades as a married lawyer on TP.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:15 pmLow and behold. San Diego?
This is yet another example why all Democrats should boycott Fox News. It's not that they "lean right". Most of the networks and cable opinion shows lean right. The problem is things like this, which are just beyond the pale of human decency.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:15 pmI personally don't like voting for anyone who wears their religion on their sleave...because it just means that they are supersitious and cannot think criticaly for two minutes.
Religion was made when the first charleton met the first fool. Your "Invisible Magical Fairy in the Sky" does not exist, never has, never will. Anyone who thinks about for two minutes knows better. It all made up.
Better without the fake god.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pm#106 - "They forced him to apologize in front of the entire student body and faculty, and he had a couple day suspension." Comment by squegeebooo — June 26, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
I would have said "As the only person born in Africa, and now an American, I apologize for being an African American, and hope that the school stops discriminating against me for my African-American heritage!"
Then again, I'm well known for my acerbic wit! ;-)
June 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pmvaliant > I was born and raised in California and was a blond surfer guy. I have never been interested in anorexic gals like yourself. You could be nude on a beach and I would not pay any attention to you. I live in Georgia now and have no intention of coming out to Cali on a bus.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pmAngry One - Dead fetuses SWEAR liberals hate them.
Comment by valiant venus
Somebody call the men with the straitjackets and butterfly nets -- the Mighty Hag is hearing dead things.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pmDear Repukes,
Stop hijacking my country!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pmBruce, my confident atheist friend!! I am a Jew who believes Jesus IS the Messiah or a Catholic who acknowledges the Jewish roots of my religion. Take your pick....
I feel sorry for atheists and pity agnostics - that fact must rankle you!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pmI do have a question for my atheist friends - are the Christian Left,( by identifying themselves as Christians, a title which proclaims the divinity of Christ) - as stupid and uninformed as Chrisitan conservatives?
Comment by valiant venus
Nope. They aren't so tied up in their own egos as to think that other people need always share their opinions, and they don't seek validation by forcing others to pretend to share their opinions.
Indeed, they very rarely discuss religion seen as they actually know what they believe and live it, rather then knowing what they had better pretend to believe and preaching it.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:17 pmvaliant > I heard that Ann likes to meet other skinny ladies, so you 2 could become very close pals > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal
Don't sugar coat it Jay. What he meant vile is that Ann likes to meet other bulimics who throw up after every meal. Then they can meet in the ladies room and compare crystal meth habits.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:18 pmBruce Gorton, look back at my comments. Do you see one where I say that the term "African American" should be used by everyone?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:18 pmWhat are you talking about? I don't use it, by the way. Again, what are you talking about?:)
Ah. Valiant Venus, my sweet onion ring, you're back! *hugs*
June 26th, 2007 at 3:18 pmleftcoast > yes valiant gal lives in San Diego, but only masquerades as a lawyer. She is affiliated with the GOP and gets paid to post on here.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:19 pmI'm guessing this, The Politics of Conscience, is the Obama speech being smeared. Or am I wrong? Seems like a pretty good speech to me.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:19 pm#39 You see, Clinton is a losing canidate as 50% of the country already has decide they would never support her. Obama on the other hand would destroy the repugs in an election. So, Fox wants hillary to run so the repugs are assured victory in 08'. If baffles me that sites like TP actually back Fox News and seem to also want a Repug to win since they to are full Clinton supporters.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:20 pmMann Coulter interpreting religious morals. It doesn't get anymore sick and twisted. Toss in a little Hannity bigotry just for icing on the cake.
I need to start planning my vacations right around the time Coulter is schlepping a new book because she gets far more airtime than you can possibly avoid altogether.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:20 pmBruce, my confident atheist friend!! I am a Jew who believes Jesus IS the Messiah or a Catholic who acknowledges the Jewish roots of my religion. Take your pick….
Comment by varicose veinous
Shorter VV: I am completely confused about God, but you suck.
VV, you're not a Jew if you believe the Messiah has already been and gone. And pretty much every Catholic acknowledges their Jewish roots these days, especially since they're reminded of it by their priests.
Nice try, though.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:21 pmValiant Venus, you are a kook. Dead fetuses cannot hate as they haven't been baptized and so have no souls to bring them eternal life. They used to go to Limbo, but that has been discontinued by the Vatican. So, now they just evaporate.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:21 pm#117 - "He (michael) luvs him some scrawny howler monkey." Comment by Zooey — June 26, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Ewww! Now, that's grounds for calling him gay! Who else could be attracted to someone with the body-build of a 12-year-old boy?
Oh, wait! I get it now! Michael's last name MUST be "Jackson"!!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:22 pmLiberal Christians believe in God, but don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. I realize that Daryll will now tell my I am not a Christian, but well he can go piss up a rope.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:22 pmCOULTER: That’s correct.
HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At every opportunity they’ve told evangelical christians that democrats disrespect their values had hate their church while telling the rest of the country that religions americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage, school prayer and intelligent design.
This statement is divisive.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:23 pmDaryll, you and your Republican cronies should be ashamed.
I agree with Hillary Clinton on this: I'm suspicious of any politician who wears their religion on their sleeve.
Or have you forgotten that you're supposed to go into your closet and pray?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:24 pmI feel sorry for atheists and pity agnostics - that fact must rankle you!
-VV/MA
...going ....going ...gone!
long gone.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:24 pmAcanthus
Sorry about that, I jumped to conclusions after reading another post.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:24 pmRoger_Roger
Obama on the other hand would destroy the repugs in an election
I'm not so sure. His race isn't going to help him out side of the primary elections, and his message so far has been nearly the same as the other leading D candidates. All he seems to have is a sort of outsider appeal.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmleftcoast > yes valiant gal lives in San Diego, but only masquerades as a lawyer. She is affiliated with the GOP and gets paid to post on here.
Comment by Jay Randal
June 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmValiant, that's Ok. San Diego is expensive!
Hannity and Coulter?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:27 pm'Fair and Balanced' has reached a new level of hypocrisy even if their lap dog liberal Colmes continues to sit there obediently.
"But at least we know where the “Christian Left†is on Sunday mornings"
I'm at church, with my other Democratic friends. Right now we're looking for a pastor who preaches the Word and not politics.
Get the log out of your eye, psycho b--ch.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:29 pmGummy - I know what I believe....I appreciate you trying to grasp the simultaneous BigBang Theory. (Who or What MADE everything that went "BANG"?) While you ponder the lint in your navel.....
Tooodles.......'til later.......
June 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pmSince, according to you, I am an idiot you might not read this but here goes…. I used WASP to indicate a certain type of person that Hannity, Rush, O’Liely (Catholic) are. Again, not so litteral. Sorry if the broad strokes are too broad. Not sorry about what I said.
Comment by Texasjuice
Valiant venom just likes to bitch. We all know what you meant. vv is the one who didn't get it as usual.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pm#139Liberal Christians believe in God, but don’t believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. I realize that Daryll will now tell my I am not a Christian, but well he can go piss up a rope.
Comment by Krazny
June 26th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThe Bible is meant to be read in totality. That's the problem with christian extremists. They pick and choose. Literal interpertation is just another word for not reading the entire book and studying it. Its a challenge and is not misleading. It leads if done right. But, damn it! Man just screws it up everytime because he only wants to read what gets him what he wants. Good description of man; rather agnostic, objectivist, atheist or whatever.
"Psycho b-ch"? Kiki - That's very Christian Left of you......
Tooodles.........
June 26th, 2007 at 3:32 pmTooodles valiant bag of bones.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmUPDATE: Yesterday on ABC’s Good Morning America, Coulter said, “If I’m going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I’ll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.â€
Wow.
I think she's attracted John Edwards. :-D
June 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmAngry One - Dead fetuses SWEAR liberals hate them.
Comment by valiant venus
Why don't you tell us about your dead baby. Show us how little respect neocons have for human life.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmRemember, folks:
Coulter gets on the talk shows to spout this crap, and no one in the media blinks an eye. Advocating murder, hate speech, and flat-out lies seem to be fine with the producers who book her and the editors who publish her.
Yet us leftie bloggers are "profane" and "shrill." Apparently, having to back up assertions with facts doesn't mean much if you drop an occasional f-bomb.
And some people wonder why so many people loathe the media in this country ...
.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmRoger_Roger
Neither of the top two are that strong as candidates, and both of them are likely to destroy each other before the elections.
Clinton is despised by the left almost as much as she is loathed by the right, a few pretty speeches and purposely-rigged-to-be-meaningless no votes isn't going to change her historic support for the Iraq war even as the Democrat base protested against it. All the money in the world isn't going to change the fact that she is in essence, unelectable.
Obama, really did come out of nowhere. While I think he is a strong candidate, while I think he may be a good president, he is Hillary's main rival and she will go out of her way to make him look unelectable. He may recover for another run later though.
Which means while it is still probably going to be Hillary or Obama, Edwards is not out of this race yet.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI'm a Jew by birth but converted to Christianity...doesn't make me less of a Jew. Then again, I didn't convert to a cult like VV.
PS. I don't claim Lieberman, either.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:37 pmDaryll, I work with some folks from India whose skin is blacker than yours, I'll bet. Whazzup with the tar, anyhoo?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:37 pmThanks, VV. We Presbyterians like to throw down.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:38 pmTexasjuice - Forgive me - I actually read what you wrote and assumed that was what you were trying to convey......Did you rely on your teachers to know what you meant when you were writing an essay? Should I go to court and say, "Your Honor, I meant to cite (fill-in-the-blank) as precedent....you know what I mean!"
In short, Tex....lefty public school apologists will tell you how much then knew what you meant because they are prejudiced just like you...
It's been fun!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThe michael troll will be here at some point. He luvs him some scrawny howler monkey.
Comment by Zooey
Hey, they have a crazy howler monkey at the Los Angeles Zoo. You don't think that's vv do you?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:38 pm#141 - Or have you forgotten that you’re supposed to go into your closet and pray?
Ahhh, picking and choosing, are we? Paraphrasing follows: Don't hide your lamp under a bush. (A lamp in the bush is worth 2 in the hand? LOL)
Go and make disciples of all people (nations?)
My 'religion' is Christian, and could possibly be termed 'Evangelical fundamentalist'. But it's pretty simple...Love God, Love People, Share your stuff (time, talents, treasure). Call it a crock or a fairy tale....I'm not threatened by your non-belief, why are you threatened by my belief?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:39 pmare you kidding me? this is no different than what the Libtards say about Bush and Cheney in website like this.
leave it to the Libtards to cry about things that they also say about Republicans and Conservatives.
only individuals with IQ below 80 don't see the huge hypocrisy that runs rampant amongst liberals.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:39 pmComment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
Hey CT!
How's everything man!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:42 pmSure, but he had a viable plan to feed and heal the poor, Magic. You guys have to take from the producers instead.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 26, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
God forbid a reichwing hypocrite have to pay their share of helping others...James Dobson is a hypocrite just like the Republican Party.
Jesus talked about the wealthy and their chances of getting into heaven as well, bozo.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:44 pmIt’s been fun!
Comment by valiant venus — June 26, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
that whole post at #160 was freakin' insane.
just saying.
way ....out there.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:44 pmOut of curiousity, what did Edwards accomplish in his 6 years in the Senate that the left likes so much?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:46 pmConservatron
Lets see, one is a blog, the other is supposedly a news programme.
One allows rebuttals, counter arguments and such. The other is known for firing reporters for telling the truth about hormones in America's milk.
Nope, no difference here.
Right /sarcasm
June 26th, 2007 at 3:46 pm#165 - God forbid a reichwing hypocrite have to pay their share of helping others
June 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pm--- See, the problem with that kind of thinking is this: MAKING someone pay is vindictive, not generosity. Asking someone to pay...giving them a choice (My wallet, My choice) should be the standard....demanding that the Gov't step in and beat up the rich guy is just messed up.
I’m a Jew by birth but converted to Christianity…doesn’t make me less of a Jew. Then again, I didn’t convert to a cult like VV.
PS. I don’t claim Lieberman, either.
Comment by Kiki
I'm pretty sure that most Jews would say you're not a Jew anymore, but it would all depend on what you mean when you say "Jew". Most of the highly secular Jews I've known consider themselves Jewish. The Goyim look at Jews and ask, "Which is it? Religion? Tribe?"
But I'm sorry, if you're going to be a Jew, you're stuck with Joe.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmHey, they have a crazy howler monkey at the Los Angeles Zoo. You don’t think that’s vv do you?
Comment by shane
I'm certain of it. You should take it some food. And cigarettes.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmAnd Obama? I wonder what Robert Byrd thinks of his candidacy.....bet Obama stays away from those canes on the Senate Floor.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:48 pmOut of curiousity, what did Edwards accomplish in his 6 years in the Senate that the left likes so much?
Comment by m12 — June 26, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Out of curiosity, what have the reichwingnuts accomplished with six years of majority, one party rule? Besides crime, theft, and cowardice?
The GOP has proven to be the greatest failed party this nation has ever witnessed and the amazing thing is that there are still knuckle dragging troglodytes making excuses for the crimes of these thugs...go figure.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:51 pmHey, they have a crazy howler monkey at the Los Angeles Zoo. You don’t think that’s vv do you?
Comment by shane
I’m certain of it. You should take it some food. And cigarettes.
Comment by Zooey
I don't think you can believe a word she says about herself, including her gender, her marital status and her location. Hell, she could be a 14 year old boy in Omaha, for all we know. Difficult to imagine how someone could become so bitter and unpleasant in 14 years, but I suppose anything is possible.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:51 pmIn short, Tex….lefty public school apologists will tell you how much then knew what you meant because they are prejudiced just like you…
It’s been fun!
Comment by valiant venus
This is the funniest thing you neocon nutjobs do. Make fun of public schools. Have you ever seen a public school outside of the one at your trailer trash hick town where you grew up. Why don't you drive through an upscale neighborhood sometime, please clean yourself up first, and go in and see what goes on in good schools. There's a full curriculum that you never know about when you're taught at Christian schools or homeschooled.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:51 pmComment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
So you want the middle and lower class to pay the greater proportion for the rich man's war for the profits of the military industrial complex and oil companies...now that can be classified as fucked up.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:53 pmI don’t think you can believe a word she says about herself, including her gender, her marital status and her location. Hell, she could be a 14 year old boy in Omaha, for all we know. Difficult to imagine how someone could become so bitter and unpleasant in 14 years, but I suppose anything is possible.
Comment by gummitch
The only thing I believe about that cow is that it's one of the most vile and sad creatures on this planet.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pmComment by gummitch
The only thing I believe about that cow is that it’s one of the most vile and sad creatures on this planet.
Comment by Zooey
I hate to argue with you two but she sure reminds me of that crazy howler monkey.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:55 pm#173 - "Out of curiosity, what have the reichwingnuts accomplished with six years of majority, one party rule? Besides crime, theft, and cowardice?" Comment by kasinca — June 26, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
You hit the nail on the head: Culture of Corruption --> Proudest GOP contribution over the past 6 years of ever increasing failures.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:55 pmkasinca
God forbid a reichwing hypocrite have to pay their share of helping others…James Dobson is a hypocrite just like the Republican Party.
And what is that share? 10%? 50%? Is it money? Or time? Or providing opportunities for others?
And why did Dobson suddenly come up?
June 26th, 2007 at 3:56 pmJesus talked about the wealthy and their chances of getting into heaven as well, bozo.
Right, the meek inherit the earth, because the rich all buy their way into heaven, if I remeber my verses right.
Shane,
according to VV, public schools are all run by left wing communists trying to indoctrinate america into the ways of socialism. She also believes that global warming is a scam to destroy American Industry, and that all leftists are pots smoking hippies living in thier parents basements. I am not sure how she makes all this match up, but hey when you batshit insane anything makes sense.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:56 pm#175 - There’s a full curriculum that you never know about when you’re taught at Christian schools or homeschooled. --- yeah, I have. Our church meets in a HS and the teachers are obviously liberal...even when they aren't there. One has a doll collection: Hitler, Bush and some other I can't recall right now. Sometimes there are lessons left up on the board and the left leaning slant is shameless. One had a video on Islam...doubt there will ever be a video on Christianity (maybe the Jesus Camp video) Separation of church and state apparently doesn't mean separation of mosque and state.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:56 pm#173
Not what I asked, kasinca.
We support the policies of the Republican party. I'm just curious as to what policies of John Edwards the left supports.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI hate to argue with you two but she sure reminds me of that crazy howler monkey.
Comment by shane
Right shane, apologies to any cows I may have offended. :)
June 26th, 2007 at 4:00 pmSometimes there are lessons left up on the board and the left leaning slant is shameless. One had a video on Islam…doubt there will ever be a video on Christianity (maybe the Jesus Camp video) Separation of church and state apparently doesn’t mean separation of mosque and state.
Comment by SGT Higgins
You don't really know what's being taught when you're not there, do you? Facts do have a liberal bias, you know.
Have you seen the Jesus Camp film? You might be horrified by it as well.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:02 pmFrom my perspective, caucasians aren't white and dark-toned people are not black. Should we categorize mexicans and eastern indians as brown? What about the albinos? If your were born in America, you are an American. If you were born in another country and recently became naturalized, your are a country of descent-American. If you are from another country and you have not became a U.S. citizen then your descent solely belongs to your home country. Let us stop categorizing each other by using color. It is ignorant. Once again, Americans with a darker skin tone are not African-Americans. A person's descent has nothing to do with color. This is why are community can't progress in society. IGNORANCE!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmAt least valiant venus departed. It has to feed itself all the time, then throws up to purge itself. It's one sickly howler monkey > lol.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmYou guys are so weird. I rather liked these bits:
June 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
now what would it take for you to grow a brain?
Comment by valiant venus
Well, certainly not just clay and water. ;)
June 26th, 2007 at 4:05 pmm12
"We support the policies of the Republican party."
Which policies? Borrow and Spend? Massive debt incursion? Tax Deferrals? Intrusion into people's private lives? (Terry Schiavo domestic spying) Erosion of Habeaus Corpus?
Which ones do you like?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pmViolent Vagina,
Your yeast infection is showing.
If looking like a dried up onion ring is your choice of beauty, so be it.
Go find a dark hole to crawl in; preferably Cheney's ass.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
I know what you mean, man. I took a French Lit. class, which was supposed to cover "major French writers." But I had to read a bunch of novels written by Africans who had learned French!!!
Of course, the professor also made us learn about Islam... you know, how the in Africa many nations interpret Islam in such a way that little girls are required to have their clitoris removed with rusty blades, and then the gapping wound is sewn up with long thorns... many, many, many do not survive the "operation".
What a bias I now have!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pmSGT Higgins
So one of them has a video teaching kids about Islam? Shameful! How dare she include the world's second biggest religion in her teaching of, history, geography, etc...
And judging by the puppet collection: Chances are that she is a history teacher too. How dare she teach children about the major figures in world history including the current US president. How dare she.
And if you missed the sarcasm, you never went to one of those liberal schools where you actually get an education.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:10 pmFrom my perspective, caucasians aren’t white and dark-toned people are not black. Should we categorize mexicans and eastern indians as brown? What about the albinos? If your were born in America, you are an American. If you were born in another country and recently became naturalized, your are a country of descent-American. If you are from another country and you have not became a U.S. citizen then your descent solely belongs to your home country. Let us stop categorizing each other by using color. It is ignorant. Once again, Americans with a darker skin tone are not African-Americans. A person’s descent has nothing to do with color. This is why are community can’t progress in society. IGNORANCE!!!
Comment by Daryll
I don't think you get to decide whether Americans descended (at least in part) from Africans get to call themselves African-American. You may personally not like the term, and for once make an attempt at a cogent argument toward that end.
Then you write absolute bollocks: A person’s descent has nothing to do with color. In most cases, it has everything to do with color. Go get that book on genetics, please.
The truth is, Daryll, that many people identify with their ethnicity, their culture, their family and this is not inherently negative. If you don't want to label yourself that way, fine, but you don't have the right to tell other people how to identify themselves.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe usual unrelated commentary by Hamnity and Culter aside, I thought Fox delivered some good media.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:15 pmJuanC. - That’s too precious….â€Lose it?†Left-wing “Christian†social-justice religions were hijacked by the Unitarians and Humanist Movement back in the `1930’s…..But at least we know where the “Christian Left†is on Sunday mornings……(I do have a question for my atheist friends - are the Christian Left,( by identifying themselves as Christians, a title which proclaims the divinity of Christ) - as stupid and uninformed as Chrisitan conservatives?
VV - sad to see you go, there are few other posters here that become as incoherent as you do over the course of a thread. BTW, WTF does this lil screed mean? I'm not sure which parenthetical statement is which...
June 26th, 2007 at 4:15 pm#188
You support Edwards for his cosponsoring of the IWR? The Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002? His vote to exempt pickup trucks from CAFE garbage?
Or his big talk *after* he left the Senate?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:15 pmPRIMVS INTER PARES
Yeah curse these accursed black folk who can actually write worth a damn /sarcasm
(Oh, and for the spectators, a huge big chunk of Africa is French speaking rather then English speaking.)
June 26th, 2007 at 4:16 pm# 183 - Hi zooey,
You don’t really know what’s being taught when you’re not there, do you? -- C'mon, let's not split hairs here. My superior powers of deductive reasoning were at play. LOL
Facts do have a liberal bias, you know. -- I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Truth is truth (man, that's profound! lmao) and can be 'spun' by any ideology.
Have you seen the Jesus Camp film? You might be horrified by it as well. -- Oh, if anything I HEARD about it is true....it's pretty horrific. I just don't think that folks, like those on these threads (and right sites) should label ALL Christians hypocritical brain-washed automatons based on the actions and/or twisted beliefs of a few. One post earlier put FredPhelps and Coulter in the same boat. I would disagree.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:19 pmcoulter is lucky the only thing people throw at her is pie.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:19 pmFrom my perspective, caucasians aren’t white and dark-toned people are not black. Should we categorize mexicans and eastern indians as brown? What about the albinos? If your were born in America, you are an American. If you were born in another country and recently became naturalized, your are a country of descent-American. If you are from another country and you have not became a U.S. citizen then your descent solely belongs to your home country. Let us stop categorizing each other by using color. It is ignorant. Once again, Americans with a darker skin tone are not African-Americans. A person’s descent has nothing to do with color. This is why are community can’t progress in society. IGNORANCE!!!
Comment by Daryll
I don’t think you get to decide whether Americans descended (at least in part) from Africans get to call themselves African-American. You may personally not like the term, and for once make an attempt at a cogent argument toward that end.
Then you write absolute bollocks: A person’s descent has nothing to do with color. In most cases, it has everything to do with color. Go get that book on genetics, please.
The truth is, Daryll, that many people identify with their ethnicity, their culture, their family and this is not inherently negative. If you don’t want to label yourself that way, fine, but you don’t have the right to tell other people how to identify themselves.
Comment by gummitch — June 26, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Gummitch, this has nothing to do with genetics/family background. If you weren't personally born in that region, don't categorize yourself as being from that region. Just because your Great Great Great Grandfather, who was born in Africa and brought to the U.S. as a slave, was considered somewhat of an African-American does not mean that you're an African-American.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:20 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — June 26, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
The point of my post #190 was to provide the context in which Islam was being taught.
You know... the female gential mutilation and all,
Or did you not read that part?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:21 pmOn topic:
Coulter (whatever authority she has to speak of the issue) says that: but I do think someone named B. Hussein Obama should avoid using hijack and religion in the same sentence.
Letting aside the "cheap fear-mongering Saddam has WMDs" propaganda, my question would be What should be the name of anyone in order to speak, in the same sentence, hijack and religion? Where is the manual where she got that from? Oh, there is no book about it, it is just an idea of her? Oh, well, then whatever.
These people do not even know how to discuss.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:23 pmOr did you not read that part?
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Like circumsition?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:24 pmHave you seen the Jesus Camp film? You might be horrified by it as well. — Oh, if anything I HEARD about it is true….it’s pretty horrific. I just don’t think that folks, like those on these threads (and right sites) should label ALL Christians hypocritical brain-washed automatons based on the actions and/or twisted beliefs of a few. One post earlier put FredPhelps and Coulter in the same boat. I would disagree.
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Sgt, what is wrong with Jesus Camp? What is wrong with children who whole-heartedly worship Jesus Christ? Are you an atheist?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:25 pmGummitch, this has nothing to do with genetics/family background. If you weren’t personally born in that region, don’t categorize yourself as being from that region. Just because your Great Great Great Grandfather, who was born in Africa and brought to the U.S. as a slave, was considered somewhat of an African-American does not mean that you’re an African-American.
Comment by Daryll
Like I keep telling you, Daryll, you don't get to make that rule for other people. You can make it for yourself, if that works for you, but you don't get to tell millions of black Americans that (a) they can't call themselves "black" and (b) they can't call themselves African-American.
Just like you don't get to tell some white people that they don't get to call themselves Italian-American or Irish-American or Hispanic or Jewish or whatever. Humans self-identify, it's what they do. You self-identify as a "dark American", but others choose to do so differently. If you're so interested in harmony, stop telling others how to live their lives.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:25 pmgummitch
I happen to be an African. Born in Africa. I also happen to have a white skin and blond hair which falls straight.
I do not go around calling myself a European African because I do not have dual citizenship in a European country.
Most black Americans do not have dual citizenship in a African country, and as an African, I do not see why I should have my nationality devalued as if being African was all about skin colour.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#201 - What should be the name of anyone in order to speak, in the same sentence, hijack and religion ---- C'mon man! Coulter is wry, biting humor (a more entertaining read than Dry O'Reilly's book). If you can't see the humor and sarcasm in her statement then the answer is : John Jackson.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI just don’t think that folks, like those on these threads (and right sites) should label ALL Christians hypocritical brain-washed automatons based on the actions and/or twisted beliefs of a few. One post earlier put FredPhelps and Coulter in the same boat. I would disagree.
Comment by SGT Higgins
If you pay attention, you'll notice that most TP commenters do not throw all christians under the bus. Personally, I don't care what you believe. I might even think what you believe is stupid, but it's none of my business.
You're right, Sarge. Ann Coulter and Fred Phelps should not be on the same boat. They should have separate crazy boats.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:26 pmWhat is wrong with children who whole-heartedly worship Jesus Christ?
Comment by Daryll
That they are gonna end with a 60 y/o priest´s d*ck up their asses?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:28 pmSGT Higgins,
"I just don’t think that folks, like those on these threads (and right sites) should label ALL Christians hypocritical brain-washed automatons based on the actions and/or twisted beliefs of a few."
I just don’t think that folks, like those on these threads (and right sites) should label ALL MUSLIMS, hypocritical brain-washed automatons based on the actions and/or twisted beliefs of a few.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pm#203 - Oh, if anything I HEARD about it is true….it’s pretty horrific ---
Sgt, what is wrong with Jesus Camp? --- Haven't seen it, but HEARD, note Heard....that these kids were praying to poster pic's of Bush. If true, that smacks of idolatry to me. Praying for the world's leaders is one thing, but dude, that was just creepy.....if true, again I haven't seen it.
What is wrong with children who whole-heartedly worship Jesus Christ? --- Nothing.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pmAre you an atheist? -- No
That they are gonna end with a 60 y/o priest´s d*ck up their asses?
Comment by Juan C
Have you seen the Jesus Camp film, Juan? It made me sick. Anyone who sends their child to a place like that should be charged with child abuse.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThey should have separate crazy boats.
Comment by Zooey ---Careful zooey, I might start to dig you, and stuff.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pmHave you seen the Jesus Camp film, Juan? It made me sick. Anyone who sends their child to a place like that should be charged with child abuse.
Comment by Zooey
Ivre read about it, Zoo. Horrific.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pmHaven’t seen it, but HEARD, note Heard….that these kids were praying to poster pic’s of Bush. If true, that smacks of idolatry to me. Praying for the world’s leaders is one thing, but dude, that was just creepy…..if true, again I haven’t seen it.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Those kids (and adults) were praying to a life-sized cutout of GWB. Not just praying that he'd be well or sending him blessings. Praying to him. Disturbing.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:33 pmComment by Zooey —Careful zooey, I might start to dig you, and stuff.
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
That's what all the boys say..... :D
June 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pmZooey
Most sickening one I saw a while back had to do with "De-Programming." You see, some kids, they just don't believe the same things as their parents do, so what do these parents do? Particularly if their kids fall to the evils of board games involving dragons, elves, dwarves, halflings and dice with waaay too many sides to them?
They send them off to be reprogrammed.
The sickening thing about this documentary, was that it was in favour of deprogramming, which is in essence taking every method out of bad fiction utilised by evil cults to indoctrinate their followers, and making Jesus the end result.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pmLike circumsition?
Comment by Juan C — June 26, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Sort of. Except this is were a 7 y/o girl is pinned down by her mother while another woman removes the girl's clitoris and most of the external vaginal tissue. Then the girls vagina is sealed with thorns so that, when healed, there will only be a small hole at the bottom for urine and menstrual fluid.
When the girl is about 12 or so she will be bought by a man who pays her father two goats and a cow. On their wedding night, he will take a knife and re-open her so that she can produce babies for him.
Major French Writers... great class!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThat’s what all the boys say….. :D
Comment by Zooey
Great answer!!! LMAO!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 4:40 pm#'s 214 & 215
Praying to him. Disturbing. --- See, if that's the way it went down...you're right...I mean left...I mean, aw hell, you figure it out.
That’s what all the boys say --- Are you coming on to me? LOL
June 26th, 2007 at 4:40 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Agreed, religions are atrocious.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:41 pmPRIMVS INTER PARES
Try what South Africa's Xhosa's do to boys.
They take them out into the veld, strip them, beat them up, and make them fight each other. Then, a frequently drunk Sangoma takes a knife and cuts the boys' foreskins off without any pain medication or anti-biotechs. Frequently infection deprives the boy of his manhood, or his life.
And Xhosas? Frequently a very Christian people.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:42 pm# 209 - Comment by Crump's Brother
But there really are fundamental differences with these 2 religions. The Koran really does teach that it's ok to further Islam by the sword. That's where he 'extremists' get it from.
The teachings of Christ are to 'Love your enemy'...I'm talking to you now Zooey. lol
June 26th, 2007 at 4:44 pmGood so we're all agreed!!!
Death to religions!!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 4:44 pmRight? And then anyone who believes in that drivel can be sent to a ‘camp’, and kept away from the public so that they can never ‘preach’ their ‘views’ to anyone ever again! And that way we can ensure that anyone who is even an eensy weensy bit religious never gets into political office, and then there would truly be no danger of their views affecting their judgment……The only way to ensure TRUE separation of church and state is to separate the ‘church’ from the ’state’. /end sarcasm.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:46 pmHave you seen the Jesus Camp film, Juan? It made me sick. Anyone who sends their child to a place like that should be charged with child abuse.
Comment by Zooey — June 26, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Well, Zooey, you have just shown your true values.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:47 pmI have to give it to Alan Colmes on this one. He really took Coulter out for a ride and then just dumped her by the side of the road. That was NOT the Alan Colmes (aka ET) I am used to seeing. He got Coulter to admit that she believes that only republicans are good christians, and that is as damning of a confession as she could have made.
He played her, and I like that.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:48 pm#203 - Oh, if anything I HEARD about it is true….it’s pretty horrific —
Sgt, what is wrong with Jesus Camp? — Haven’t seen it, but HEARD, note Heard….that these kids were praying to poster pic’s of Bush. If true, that smacks of idolatry to me. Praying for the world’s leaders is one thing, but dude, that was just creepy…..if true, again I haven’t seen it.
What is wrong with children who whole-heartedly worship Jesus Christ? — Nothing.
Are you an atheist? — No
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
They were praying on behalf of President Bush. They truly want God to intercede on behalf President Bush and to continue to instruct him daily.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:49 pmThe Koran really does teach that it’s ok to further Islam by the sword. That’s where he ‘extremists’ get it from.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Dead wrong, I have Basit, a pakistani student here at the lab in the other computer, looking at me with a smile, saying no with his head. He says you dont have too much idea of what Islam is. But that you have been masterfully misled.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:50 pmThe sickening thing about this documentary, was that it was in favour of deprogramming, which is in essence taking every method out of bad fiction utilised by evil cults to indoctrinate their followers, and making Jesus the end result.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
That's sick. It sounds like torture -- torture sanctioned by a child's own parents.
Do you remember the name of the film? Yikes, I'm not actually sure I want to see it.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:50 pmWell, Zooey, you have just shown your true values.
Comment by Daryll
She does it all days. World Class Values.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:50 pmSGT Higgins,
"But there really are fundamental differences with these 2 religions. The Koran really does teach that it’s ok to further Islam by the sword. That’s where he ‘extremists’ get it from."
But are you not picking and choosing your biblical passages when you say the message of the Bible is to love your neighbor. Jesus never saisd to ignore the Old Testament, in fact he said the opposite.
So should we not paint all Christians as Inquisitors because the ENTIRE church found justification for it in the Bible?
My argument is that extremism, is extremism. I will grant the fact that the Islamic doctrine of martyrdom makes Islam particularly troubling, but all the abortiona doctor murderers find their justification in the Christian Bible. You may think they are mis-reading it, but then, everybody could make that argument about everyone else who reads that book! No two religious leaders see it the same way. So how can we expect anyone to think they have it right?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:52 pmThe teachings of Christ are to ‘Love your enemy’…I’m talking to you now Zooey. lol
Comment by SGT Higgins
Aren't you a charmer....?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:53 pmMost black Americans do not have dual citizenship in a African country, and as an African, I do not see why I should have my nationality devalued as if being African was all about skin colour.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
And I don't see why you consider it a devaluation. Call yourself what you want but you simply don't get to tell other people how they identify themselves.
Well, you can try, but you're going to find out that people choose their own identity.
Years ago, I worked with a white South African woman (I had such a crush...) who identified herself as African. Which, given that was where she'd been born, certainly seemed appropriate. She could just as easily have identified herself as Afrikaner, or Dutch-African. Why should anyone else be allowed to deny her that?
I want you and Daryll to visit the Black Rose tavern in Boston and start telling the regulars that they're not Irish-American. See how that flies.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHave you seen the Jesus Camp film, Juan? It made me sick. Anyone who sends their child to a place like that should be charged with child abuse.
Comment by Zooey — June 26, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Well, Zooey, you have just shown your true values.
Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Thank you, Daryll.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:54 pmDaryll,
"They were praying on behalf of President Bush. They truly want God to intercede on behalf President Bush and to continue to instruct him daily."
Are you sure that there weren't a couple of them that might have been hoping Zeus would instruct him?
I would certainly feel better if that were the case. See Daryll, you are an atheist as well. I bet you don't believe in Zeus or Odin. See, even you can let go of the brainwashing!!
June 26th, 2007 at 4:55 pmWhat Fox News dishes out on Obama is going to be a rain drop in the ocean compared to what the Clintons are going to do to him.
By the time these to charmers get done with him he’ll be disgraced, divorced and in financial ruins.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:55 pmSgt, what is wrong with Jesus Camp? What is wrong with children who whole-heartedly worship Jesus Christ? Are you an atheist?
Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Jesus was not a brain dead, sanctimonious, home schooled, knuckle dragging, hypocrite.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
June 26th, 2007 at 4:56 pmFrom Wikipedia -- on Jesus Camp
Rachael, who also attends Levi's church (her father is assistant pastor), is seen praying over a bowling ball early in the film --- Ok, wtf?
Some media reports misinterpreted this as "worshipping" the president, but the children were actually "praying over him." Indeed, the woman clearly says to "pray for" and "speak a blessing to" Bush. --- Rumor disspelled?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp --- Either way you lean, it's a disturbing view.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:57 pmI want you and Daryll to visit the Black Rose tavern in Boston and start telling the regulars that they’re not Irish-American. See how that flies.
Comment by gummitch
I take it you've been there.
Quite a place. South Boston would be another excellent place to send him.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:00 pm#231 - So how can we expect anyone to think they have it right? --- I would suggest reading it yourself....studying it with like-minded people who want to understand it also...and ask for help for context or passages that are not easily understood with a trusted clergyman(?). Don't take ANYTHING that someone tells you as truth...seek it for yourself. Autamatons can be found anywhere.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:01 pmFrom Wikipedia;
All three children, despite their youth, are very devout charismatic Christians. Levi, who has ambitions of being a pastor, has already preached several sermons at his father's church, Rock of Ages Church in St. Robert, Missouri.
He is homeschooled (as are many of the campers), and learns physical science from a book that attempts to reconcile the creationist account with scientific principles.
:|
I rest my case.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:01 pmIt is child abuse.
Forcing a child to be ignorant is the worst abuse I can imagine.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe sickening thing about this documentary, was that it was in favour of deprogramming, which is in essence taking every method out of bad fiction utilised by evil cults to indoctrinate their followers, and making Jesus the end result.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
That’s sick. It sounds like torture — torture sanctioned by a child’s own parents.
Do you remember the name of the film? Yikes, I’m not actually sure I want to see it.
Comment by Zooey — June 26, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Wow! It is considered torture to let your child worship Jesus. Zooey, are you a part of the ACLU? This is the reason why violence is rampant in schools. Because the ACLU had prayer and worship prohibited from school grounds, satan has infiltrated into our school system. I hope you are happy.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:03 pmOne point I would like to make, Jesus was neither a republican, or a democrat. He was the a messiah, the king of the jews, the son of god, heretic, or a fantasy person, depending on how you want to view him. To coopt religion especially in a country dedicated to freedom of religion, and seperation of church and state is disturbing. The use of radical religion either Christian, Muslim, or whatever to justify violence is terrible as well. It perverts a religion, and destroys what it should stand for.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:03 pmIt is not FOX News. It is FAUXNOIZ.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI have Jesus Camp on my Netflix list.
I need to bump it up on my list.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:04 pmwell obama is a terrorist...he supports AIPAC which is an organization that terrorizes US politicians.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:05 pmThis is the reason why violence is rampant in schools. Because the ACLU had prayer and worship prohibited from school grounds, satan has infiltrated into our school system. I hope you are happy.
Comment by Daryll
As Chris Rock says: we dont need praying in schools. We need the Toss Salad Man.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#237 - kasinka - Jesus was not a brain dead, sanctimonious, home schooled, knuckle dragging, hypocrite.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:05 pm--- See, now you're being silly. My children are home-schooled and guess what? No knuckle-dragging, hypocritical, sanctimonious brain dead kids among the bunch.
The teachings of Christ are to ‘Love your enemy’…I’m talking to you now Zooey. lol
Comment by SGT Higgins
Aren’t you a charmer….?
Comment by Zooey — June 26, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
I love Zooey, too, but my heart would be filled with glee if she followed Acts 2:38 and continued to follow biblical principles. You too, Sgt.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:06 pmHe is also taught that global warming is a non-issue.
At the camp, he preaches a sermon in which he declares that his generation is key to Jesus's coming back. Rachael, who also attends Levi's church (her father is assistant pastor), is seen praying over a bowling ball early in the film, and frequently passes Christian tracts (including some by Jack Chick) to people she meets.
She doesn't think very highly of non-charismatic churches (or "dead churches," as she calls them), feeling they aren't "churches that God likes to go to."
Tory is a member of the children's praise dance team at Christ Triumphant Church. She frequently dances to Christian heavy metal music
:|
Sounds lovely. Like a Jehovah's witness on crack.
But whats up with the bowling ball?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:06 pm#241 - BARTLEBEE - homeschooled (as are many of the campers) -- Why was that in BOLD? Are you suggesting that being homeschooled is akin to abuse?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:07 pmI love Zooey, too, but my heart would be filled with glee if she followed Acts 2:38 and continued to follow biblical principles. You too, Sgt.
Comment by Daryll's dumber brother daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
You wouldn't know a bibilical principle if one landed on your head.
:|
Say. There's a thought.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI love Zooey, too, but my heart would be filled with glee if she followed Acts 2:38
Comment by Daryll
But if she followed some other Acts, I would... be filled with glee, too. :D
June 26th, 2007 at 5:09 pmHave you seen the Jesus Camp film, Juan? It made me sick. Anyone who sends their child to a place like that should be charged with child abuse.
Comment by Zooey
I believe they closed the camp down. And yes that woman who headed it up made vv seem normal. She encouraged Christian children to become terrorists for one thing.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWell, you can try, but you’re going to find out that people choose their own identity.
Years ago, I worked with a white South African woman (I had such a crush…) who identified herself as African. Which, given that was where she’d been born, certainly seemed appropriate. She could just as easily have identified herself as Afrikaner, or Dutch-African. Why should anyone else be allowed to deny her that?
I want you and Daryll to visit the Black Rose tavern in Boston and start telling the regulars that they’re not Irish-American. See how that flies.
Comment by gummitch — June 26, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
Gladly. This same issue pertains to Italians, as well.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:09 pm#241 - BARTLEBEE - homeschooled (as are many of the campers) — Why was that in BOLD? Are you suggesting that being homeschooled is akin to abuse?
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
It is when the homeschooler's teaching you the earth was created 6000 years ago by a gray haired old man in the sky.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:09 pmSGT Higgins
"So how can we expect anyone to think they have it right?"
We can't. That's the point.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:10 pmWow! It is considered torture to let your child worship Jesus. Zooey, are you a part of the ACLU? This is the reason why violence is rampant in schools. Because the ACLU had prayer and worship prohibited from school grounds, satan has infiltrated into our school system. I hope you are happy.
Comment by Daryll
Correction: I consider what is done in Jesus Camp child abuse. I don't claim to speak for anyone else.
The ACLU protects civil rights of all people in America -- you AND me. I would be honored to be a member.
Thank you again, Daryll, I am a very happy woman.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIt is child abuse.
Forcing a child to be ignorant is the worst abuse I can imagine.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
IGNORANCE!? Bartlebee, the blood of Jesus is against you.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pm#250 - I love Zooey, too, ---- Back off, I loved her first. LOL
June 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pmbut my heart would be filled with glee if she followed Acts 2:38 and continued to follow biblical principles. You too, Sgt. --- Right, got it Darryl....wait, are you suggesting Zooey and I become Romans???
I want you and Daryll to visit the Black Rose tavern in Boston and start telling the regulars that they’re not Irish-American. See how that flies.
Comment by gummitch
I take it you’ve been there.
Quite a place. South Boston would be another excellent place to send him.
Comment by trueblue
My memories of the Black Rose are, well, fuzzy. I'd been working at a microbrewers' conference for four or five days previously and by "working" I mean "drinking." Several of us (including a guy named Paddy, no kidding) ended up there very late to celebrate my birthday. Something about the combination of Guinness and Black Bush . . . suffice it to say that one should not do this the night before a six a.m. flight cross-country.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pmKrazny - Here's the difference between devout Christans and Jews and extremist Islamists - contemporary Judeo-Christians will not threaten to kill you if you draw cartoons about God. We might not buy tickets to a film in which Jesus is portrayed as a gay man, etc. or wiah to see a dung-smeared portrayal of the Blessed Mother, but you who wish to see such "art" have no need to fear we will blow up the theatre or museum. We do not convince children and impressionable teens to blow themselves up and take as many atheists with them as possible. We condemn and convict zealots like Eric Rudolph who kill in the name of LIFE. We live next door to people with wide-ranging beliefs and do not plot them harm.
For you to compare radical Islam with contemporary Judeo-Cgristian beliefs is disgustingly ignorant - but not unexpected.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI love Zooey, too, but my heart would be filled with glee if she followed Acts 2:38 and continued to follow biblical principles. You too, Sgt.
Comment by Daryll
I'll follow my heart and conscience, thanks anyway.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:15 pm“So how can we expect anyone to think they have it right?â€
We can’t. That’s the point.
Comment by Crump's Brother
No fair, dude! You can't cut and paste YOUR comment that I cut and pasted and then agree with YOURSELF.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:16 pmOne point I would like to make, Jesus was neither a republican, or a democrat. He was the a messiah, the king of the jews, the son of god, heretic, or a fantasy person, depending on how you want to view him. To coopt religion especially in a country dedicated to freedom of religion, and seperation of church and state is disturbing. The use of radical religion either Christian, Muslim, or whatever to justify violence is terrible as well. It perverts a religion, and destroys what it should stand for.
Comment by Krazny — June 26, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
But Jesus did have conservative views.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:16 pmHiya VV did the shock treatment end early? How is the hospital, getting your meds on time? Food okay? I hear they will give you two scoops of jello on Friday if you behave. Anyway I hope your delusions clear up soon, and you can rejoin normal society.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:16 pmBartlebee, the blood of Jesus is against you.
Comment by Daryll of Nazareth — June 26, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
A statement which clearly demonstrates you know nothing about the Jesus.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:18 pmI believe they closed the camp down. And yes that woman who headed it up made vv seem normal. She encouraged Christian children to become terrorists for one thing.
Comment by shane
That woman is psycho. I'm glad they closed it down. I remember one part where a little boy was made to feel lower than dirt because he had questions about the faith. It was as if we could see the damage sinking into him.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:19 pmBut Jesus did have conservative views.
Comment by Daryll
NO HE DID NOT!
June 26th, 2007 at 5:19 pm---Ok, Darryl's med's are wearing off, methinks.
Time for me to call it a day....take care all.
Y'know, for a bunch of crazy liberals you all's sure is some kind of fun. LOL
June 26th, 2007 at 5:20 pmTTYL.
#250 - I love Zooey, too, —- Back off, I loved her first. LOL
but my heart would be filled with glee if she followed Acts 2:38 and continued to follow biblical principles. You too, Sgt. — Right, got it Darryl….wait, are you suggesting Zooey and I become Romans???
Comment by SGT Higgins
Whoa.....down boy. Settle....
June 26th, 2007 at 5:20 pmOn a more serious note, comparing modern christianity, with islam doesn't add up. However Chrisianity did go through a violent period of expansion, and inquisition. Christains have not always had the view of peacefulness, and charity. You can rant at me for the comparison of extremism, but Christains have gone through some painful growing periods.
I do agree however that moderate Islam needs to speak up more, and place the extremists in thier midsts on notice. Moderate Islam needs to lead, not quitely support the extremists.
Daryll, please tell me where Jesus told everyone to a conservative republican. I don't recall any passages like, it will be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, then for a liberal to enter heaven. Or is that in Daryll 2:34-36?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:21 pmBut Jesus did have conservative views.
Comment by Daryll
You're delusional. Do you seriously think Jesus was in favor of small government and lower taxes? Do you think he would have been a huge fan of corporations over individuals? Tort reform?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:21 pmNO HE DID NOT!
Comment by shane
Girl, you're up against the Pastor Gino Jennings. He's got powerful mojo over our little Daryll.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:22 pmgummitch,
You can't throw a rock in South Boston without hitting a "Paddy"!
:D
That's a great story. Thanks.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:22 pmHave you seen the Jesus Camp film, Juan? It made me sick. Anyone who sends their child to a place like that should be charged with child abuse.
Comment by Zooey
I believe they closed the camp down. And yes that woman who headed it up made vv seem normal. She encouraged Christian children to become terrorists for one thing.
Comment by shane — June 26, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Shane, it is still alive in well. You cannot defeat us from worshipping our saviour, Jesus Christ. I will send you the link, maybe your children need a change in their life.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI see. So the thread is about Obama being smeared as at terrorist again and we have PIP pretending to know something about Islam even though that's off topic. (BTW, female circumcision is practiced by a small sect in the horn of Africa where it likely predates Islam and is not an official Muslim ritual. Unlike Jewish circumcision.)
So, what is it that frightens these trolls about Obama that they want to paint him as an oportunist, and fringe Christian, or a crypto-Muslim??? I'd say it's because he's a genuine, thoughtful progessive liberal Christian. And that's enough to make the Christian Right sh!t bricks because they know they're really Pharisees.
BTW, progressive liberal Christians might want to read Leviticus 25 for what can be described as the Biblical version of proto-socialism. WWJD??? Well, he'd go for single-payer universal healthcare. He'd end the war in Iraq immediately. He'd demand Israel & Palestine recognize each other. (It's so one-sided if only Israel is supposed to be legit, don't you think?)
The reason why Jesus Camps have to exist is because fundamentalist, literalist Christians need to indoctrinate their Children because otherwise they can't reconcile the modern world with their simplistic faith. It's odd. You'd think the Christian Right would recognize that a Jesus Camp is no different than a fundamentalist Madrassa.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:23 pm#269 - I remember one part where a little boy was made to feel lower than dirt because he had questions about the faith. --- See, that's just sad. I quit going to chuerch for years because of that kind of crap...the fake smiles, fake 'perfection' you'd see. The church I belong to now encourages doubt....because that encourages questioning...which leads to answers. And we're just normal, real people.....real shortcomings, real hangups. Oh and we wear shorts, jeans, flipflops...figure Christ couldn't care less how we're dressed...as long as we're there.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThat woman is psycho. I’m glad they closed it down. I remember one part where a little boy was made to feel lower than dirt because he had questions about the faith. It was as if we could see the damage sinking into him.
Comment by Zooey
Hmmmm. Reminds me of a story I heard recently. What was it? Something about how a child who was having doubts about his family's dogma was straightened out by a single drop of blood. "This proves evolution is a hoax!" Something like that.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:24 pmChristianity preaches hatred and bigotry. They are all hypocrites.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:24 pmMake no mistake about it dimwit Daryll.
The first thing Jesus did when he began his ministry after a little slight of hand action, was to condemn the religious leaders of the day, which of course was comprised of a governing council known as the "Sanhedrin", which was made up of various sects and disciplines including scribes, Pharisees, Saducee's and Elders.
The Sandhedrin was equivalent to the Christian Coalition today, except the Christian Coalition has only unnoffical authority, whereas the Sanhedrin had official authority to govern the people. The Sanhedrin was a rightist conservative and fundamentalist movement.
Jesus was considered leftist. A radical.
Thats historical fact. Not opinion or belief. Just historical fact.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:25 pmShane, it is still alive in well. You cannot defeat us from worshipping our saviour, Jesus Christ. I will send you the link, maybe your children need a change in their life.
Comment by Daryll
We teach our children to think for themselves, and they learn right from wrong from living life, not a book. And certainly not from a hack like Gino Jennings.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:25 pmBut Jesus did have conservative views.
Comment by Daryll
You’re delusional. Do you seriously think Jesus was in favor of small government and lower taxes? Do you think he would have been a huge fan of corporations over individuals? Tort reform?
Comment by gummitch — June 26, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
But he wasn't a fan of homosexuality, adultery and over-taxing the rich.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:26 pm# 272 - LMAO -- Darryl started it!
Oh and to explain the other reference....Romans 'follows Acts'
June 26th, 2007 at 5:26 pmDarryl - Hate the sin, Love the sinner. Just a quick 'refresher' course for you.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:27 pmThat’s a great story. Thanks.
Comment by trueblue
I do remember it was a great pub. Great crack and the staff all sounded as if they'd just come off the boat.
And thank god for Boston, where a bunch of drunks can flag down a cab at three in the morning after only walking a few blocks. Try that in Portland.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:27 pmAbout the African American thing- I don't call myself that because I'm completely comfortable with black, and I just find African American to be umm...clumsy. Clumsy to read, clumsy to say. But that's just me. Also, if Daryll's skin is as dark as tar, and he does not want to be black, he gets not to be black. As he said, he's an American, period. Fine. That means that if someone turns him down for a job, or denies him a house or apartment because of the color of his skin, he shouldn't complain about it. After all, he's not black.
By the same token, me with my cafe au lait and then some skin gets to be black, because that's MY choice. No one has the right to determine that I'm not black. Never. Not ever.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAnd we’re just normal, real people…..real shortcomings, real hangups. Oh and we wear shorts, jeans, flipflops…figure Christ couldn’t care less how we’re dressed…as long as we’re there.
Comment by SGT Higgins
How very liberal of you, Sarge. :)
Just joking....a little. If the children, or anyone, can't question, they can't learn. They won't learn. They simply recite.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:29 pmGirl, you’re up against the Pastor Gino Jennings. He’s got powerful mojo over our little Daryll.
Comment by Zooey — June 26, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
No mojo, it is the holy ghost. Oh taste and see that the Lord is good, blessed is the man that trust in him. Just to be in the presence of the Lord and to feel his holy spirit is awesome. He is as sweet as a honeycomb. Zooey, you need a dose of the holy ghost.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:29 pm# 272 - LMAO — Darryl started it!
Oh and to explain the other reference….Romans ‘follows Acts’
Comment by SGT Higgins
Oh, and if all your friends wanted to jump off a bridge......you know... :D
June 26th, 2007 at 5:31 pm#269 - I remember one part where a little boy was made to feel lower than dirt because he had questions about the faith. — See, that’s just sad. I quit going to chuerch for years because of that kind of crap…the fake smiles, fake ‘perfection’ you’d see. The church I belong to now encourages doubt….because that encourages questioning…which leads to answers. And we’re just normal, real people…..real shortcomings, real hangups. Oh and we wear shorts, jeans, flipflops…figure Christ couldn’t care less how we’re dressed…as long as we’re there.
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Is it located in San Francisco?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:31 pmHowever Chrisianity did go through a violent period of expansion, and inquisition. Christains have not always had the view of peacefulness, and charity. You can rant at me for the comparison of extremism, but Christains have gone through some painful growing periods.
Comment by Krazny — June 26, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Kraz, you are correct in spirit, if not in magnitude or chronology. The Chrisitan religion took a dark turn shortly after its inception, and continud in that vein for over a thousand years.
We know that as early as 300 CE (or thereabouts) that the Church was employing TORTURE to weed out non believers, or those who challenged the church's authority or teaching, (heretics) and those tortures included the RACK.
By the time Gregory and Sixtus launched the holy inquisitions and the crusades, the church had already "racked up" (pardon the pun) almost 700 years of cruelty that surpasses that of Nazi Germany.
Only folllowing the reformers did the church ever see a glimmer of true christianity, and even many of them burned women and children alive for suspicion of witchcraft or devil worship.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:31 pmNo mojo, it is the holy ghost. Oh taste and see that the Lord is good, blessed is the man that trust in him. Just to be in the presence of the Lord and to feel his holy spirit is awesome. He is as sweet as a honeycomb. Zooey, you need a dose of the holy ghost.
Comment by Daryll
Is that like a dose of the clap? I heard they have shots for that now.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:33 pm"On a more serious note, comparing modern christianity, with islam doesn’t add up. However Chrisianity did go through a violent period of expansion, and inquisition." - Krazny
Gosh, Kraz, you sure are quick on the uptake. The violence of the Inquisition and Crusades was quite a while ago. I am comparing extremist radical Koranimals with the backward barbarism of Europe yesteryear.
"You can rant at me for the comparison of extremism, but Christains have gone through some painful growing periods.
" - More Krazny
I don't rant. I merely point out the stupidity of comparing today's events and history (700-1000 years ago). Thank you for being such an excellent example of crafting a poorly thought out argument.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:34 pmShane, it is still alive in well. You cannot defeat us from worshipping our saviour, Jesus Christ. I will send you the link, maybe your children need a change in their life.
Comment by Daryll
"In November 2006, Fischer announced that she would be shutting down the camp indefinitely due to negative reaction to the film[9]. According to Fischer's website, the owners of the property used for the camp shown in the film were concerned about vandalism to the premises following the film's release and thus will not allow it to be used for any future camps. Fischer has said that the camp will be indefinitely postponed until other suitable premises can be found, but it will be back."
Here Darryl, the camp is CLOSED. I would not have said anything if I hadn't heard it was closed. I'm not like you or the other trolls, I don't just pull stuff out of nowhere.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:34 pmZooey - If the children, or anyone, can’t question, they can’t learn. They won’t learn. They simply recite --- Exactly! Again, automatons are a dime a dozen. We want our kids to know and love Christ, but that's not a guarantee. But we don't see any point in forcing it down their throats, either.....didn't work for us when we were their age.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:36 pm"Is that like a dose of the clap? I heard they have shots for that now."
Comment by Zooey
Spoken like a woman who would know....
June 26th, 2007 at 5:36 pmDaryll, have you read the Bible? I don't think you have. There is not a single line in the four Gospels about homosexuality. It's not there. And when Paul speaks of homosexuality, he's refering to orgies and temple prostitution. Not the same thing as gay/lesbian relationship.
What Jesus said about adultery is cryptic. He spares the women caught in adultery saying she can only be judged by those without sin. (That is, no one.) And then he says one should forgive seven times seventy times. (That is, always.) What he's against is institutionalised failure. He doesn't forbid divorce, but he does think the legalists take divorce for granted and don't seek to heal a bleeding marriage. (Even today, one has to beware what some divorce lawyers are willing to say to get a big settlement.)
Where do you get this notion about Jesus liking the Rich? Isn't as difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven as it is for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle? Didn't Jesus tell the rich young man to sell all he owned and give it to the poor? Don't offer such nonsense.
Daryll, read your Bible. You are a Pharisee.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:36 pmBut he wasn’t a fan of homosexuality, adultery and over-taxing the rich.
Comment by Dirty Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Again you demonstrate clear ignorance of Jesus, his life or teachings.
A. Jesus NEVER, EVER, EVER mentions ONE SINGLE TIME, ANYTHING regarding homosexuality. NOTHING.
B. Jesus condemned not the adulterers, but the "good men" who brought the adulters before him. Jesus NEVER condemned adulterers.
C. Jesus publically endorsed the paying taxes, and even befriended a tax collector, and appointed him (Levi) as one of the original 12 Apostles.
Like most right wing inbred self professed "Christians", you know NOTHING about Christ.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAbout the African American thing- I don’t call myself that because I’m completely comfortable with black, and I just find African American to be umm…clumsy. Clumsy to read, clumsy to say. But that’s just me. Also, if Daryll’s skin is as dark as tar, and he does not want to be black, he gets not to be black. As he said, he’s an American, period. Fine. That means that if someone turns him down for a job, or denies him a house or apartment because of the color of his skin, he shouldn’t complain about it. After all, he’s not black.
By the same token, me with my cafe au lait and then some skin gets to be black, because that’s MY choice. No one has the right to determine that I’m not black. Never. Not ever.
Comment by Acanthus — June 26, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Acanthus, I have never been turned down for a home, never was denied admission into the glorious Oral Roberts University, never denied a promotion within our consulting firm because of my color. I moved on. Can you?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYeah, FART&PEE, we get. You don't like the way the church is now run. Shut your yapper.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:39 pmMove on from being black? No, why would I want to do that?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:40 pmUmm no you ranted, it is really all you do. I don't think you are able to express any sort of point, or argument without sounding like a complete mental case.
I will say it again, but I don't think your narrow mind will get it. Christianity has a fair number of skeletons in the closet. Due to the renessiance, and a fair bit of growth over the last few hundred years, we have arrived at a pretty decent spot.
I did also say, though you chose to gloss over it that Moderate Islam does at least quitely support the radicals in their midst, and they Moderates, as a group need to take charge. I have talked with many muslims who live in the US, and have found thier beliefs as far as religious freedom, and such tend to mirror thier Christian neighbors.
you are one crazy chick VV. I doubt any of what you tell us about your personal life, but it is nice to know the mental hospitals have computers for the patients.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:40 pmBut he wasn’t a fan of homosexuality, adultery and over-taxing the rich.
Comment by Dirty Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Again you demonstrate clear ignorance of Jesus, his life or teachings.
A. Jesus NEVER, EVER, EVER mentions ONE SINGLE TIME, ANYTHING regarding homosexuality. NOTHING.
B. Jesus condemned not the adulterers, but the “good men†who brought the adulters before him. Jesus NEVER condemned adulterers.
C. Jesus publically endorsed the paying taxes, and even befriended a tax collector, and appointed him (Levi) as one of the original 12 Apostles.
Like most right wing inbred self professed “Christiansâ€, you know NOTHING about Christ.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Jesus never condemned adultery? Are you crazy? That is one of the ten commandments. Read your bible.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:42 pmYeah, FART&PEE, we get. You don’t like the way the church is now run. Shut your yapper.
Comment by INBREDUS INTER ECONTRAS — June 26, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
No you don't get it you half baked twit.
The church is not yours asswipe, and you don't get to rewrite the gospels and then call us evil for not going along with it.
Jesus condemned peices of shit like you and the peices of shit you associate with. He loathed your kind, and promised damnation awaits you at the end of your wretched lives.
So keep yapping you inbred prick. But don't tell me to stop, because you can't make me.
Wimp.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:43 pmZooey was JOKING, mighty big vagina.
You really are full of hatred.
I don't know how you can live with yourself.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:43 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Oh Yeah!!!
I but you don't have another damn thing to say!!!!
Do ya???!!!?!?!?!
June 26th, 2007 at 5:44 pmAcanthus, I have never been turned down for a home, never was denied admission into the glorious Oral Roberts University,
Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Which is where you found out why they call him "Oral".
June 26th, 2007 at 5:44 pmJesus never condemned adultery? Are you crazy? That is one of the ten commandments. Read your bible.
Comment by Inbred Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Listen to the inbred trying to talk about the Bible.
I've got news for you Flavius.
The ten commandments were written about 2000 years before Jesus was ever born.
Idiot.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:47 pmGosh, Kraz, you sure are quick on the uptake. The violence of the Inquisition and Crusades was quite a while ago. I am comparing extremist radical Koranimals with the backward barbarism of Europe yesteryear.
Comment by Varicose Veinous
That's an example of Christian values, I suppose. "Koranimals"? Is that what happens when you never read anything but Ann Coulter fiction?
June 26th, 2007 at 5:48 pmMove on from being black? No, why would I want to do that?
Comment by Acanthus — June 26, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Alot of our community continues to dwell on the times of slavery. Let it go. Affirmative Action is not necessary. Let it go. Reparations isn't needed. Let it go.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:48 pmJesus condemned not those caught in adultery, but the self rigtheous pompous arrogant pricks like you, who dragged the adulterers before him.
If you had ever bothered to READ the 4 Gospels, which is the ONLY place in the Bible where Jesus says ANYTHING, you'd know that.
But you're just another right wing uneducated inbred MOOK.
Too stupid to know what Testament you're quoting from.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:49 pmExactly! Again, automatons are a dime a dozen. We want our kids to know and love Christ, but that’s not a guarantee. But we don’t see any point in forcing it down their throats, either…..didn’t work for us when we were their age.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Yep. I come from a family chock full of christians. Thankfully they didn't try to force me into anything, and I respect their right to believe what they want.
We don't talk religion or politics much.... Thank goodness.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:50 pmSpoken like a woman who would know….
Comment by valiant venus — June 26, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Uh huh, I was talking to your husband at the clinic and he was telling me all about it.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:51 pmDavid - Thank you for your moving reditition of the woman Jesus forgave for committing adultery. You kind of left out the part where he told her to "go and sin no more"....nice try!!
June 26th, 2007 at 5:52 pmWell anyone dumb enough to believe in Jesus, Virgin Births, Great floods, would beleive fox news.
Stupid American Christians!
Comment by Jesus is a Scam
You forgot to include: Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and the Psychic Network!!:)
June 26th, 2007 at 5:53 pmDavid - Thank you for your moving reditition of the woman Jesus forgave for committing adultery. You kind of left out the part where he told her to “go and sin no moreâ€â€¦.nice try!!
Comment by valiant penus — June 26, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
And thank you for leaving out that he also pointed out that HE DID NOT CONDEMN HER, you inbred bitch.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:53 pmZooey was JOKING, mighty big vagina.
You really are full of hatred.
I don’t know how you can live with yourself.
Comment by trueblue
She's upset because when Bill Clinton eats an onion ring, it makes her think of her own vagina -- and that reminds her that she forgot to buy ketchup again.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:55 pmBARTLEBEE, gotta disagree with you. Christ does speak against those who commit adultery...but you're right, he also speaks against those who are only too quick to point out someone else's adultery.
OK folks, I'm really leaving this time....don't try to stop me.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:56 pm"Our" community? Who is this "our"? Let's see, becuase I actually like being a black man, that automatically means I dwell on slavery, want affirmative action and reparations. A Grand Kleagle couldn't have said it better. Seriously, you should get help. It must be hell to be you.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:56 pmAnd Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8-11
June 26th, 2007 at 5:57 pmGummy - Let me give you the definition of Koranimals: "Radical Islamists who justify, or commit, violence and murder while quoting the Koran, praising Allah, etc.". Moderate Muslims, like those depicted in the banned PBS documentary, earn our thanks and encouragement. (Are you always confused so easily??)
June 26th, 2007 at 5:57 pmBARTLEBEE, gotta disagree with you. Christ does speak against those who commit adultery…but you’re right, he also speaks against those who are only too quick to point out someone else’s adultery.
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Yea? PROVE IT.
You can't.
Because you're WRONG.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:58 pm32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery. -------- Although it doesn't tacitly DISAPPROVE of adultery (semantics), it IS a warning, which implies that adultery is a no-go.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:59 pmHe doesn't condone it, but he doesn't condemn people for it either, like the right wing neocon christian scum do.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Is it located in San Francisco?
Comment by Daryll
See what an ass Daryll shows himself to be Sarge. Yeah you're some Christian Daryll, as long as you can work your beliefs to fit your political viewpoint you're a Christian.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:00 pmWhy would he tell the woman to go and sin no more if she hadn't sinned?
June 26th, 2007 at 6:00 pmThe only thing he says is if a man looks on a women with lust he's committed adultery with her in his heart, warning people to have pure thoughts.
But he doesn't ONCE, condemn ANYONE who is actually caught in the act, including the Samaran women he encounters at Jacobs well.
Trust me sarge, I spent more time studying the bible than you, or anyone in here. How do I know. Because the only people who know more about it than I do are writing books.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:01 pm“Our†community? Who is this “our� Let’s see, becuase I actually like being a black man, that automatically means I dwell on slavery, want affirmative action and reparations. A Grand Kleagle couldn’t have said it better. Seriously, you should get help. It must be hell to be you.
Comment by Acanthus — June 26, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Acanthus, unlike you, I do not recognize skin color. I believe that we are all humans with different ethnic origins. But I have been considered a weird person by dark-toned individuals because I don't eat macaroni, poultry, and watermelon.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:01 pmWhy would he tell the woman to go and sin no more if she hadn’t sinned?
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
I didn't say she hadn't sinned. I said he didn't condemn people for it.
It was not high on his list, and he did not focus his ministry on it.
Instead, he focused his entire ministry on the hyposcrisy of the religious right, and the interpersonal relationships we have one with another.
Thats historical fact.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:02 pmJesus wrote the Ten Commandments? Really?
Someone should call Charlton Heston.
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June 26th, 2007 at 6:02 pmSomeone should call Charlton Heston.
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 26, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Now THATS funny!
June 26th, 2007 at 6:04 pmAnd Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8-11
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
So why do you libs encourage society to continue to sin? Why do you inform them that they can sin, disregard repentance, and still make it to heaven? I bind the demon that is in you and your party, in Jesus name.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:04 pmBarlebee - You sound like a person who could have a guilty conscience....if you actually had a conscience....
June 26th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWhat is wrong with children who whole-heartedly worship Jesus Christ?
Comment by Daryll
That they are gonna end with a 60 y/o priest´s d*ck up their asses?
Comment by Juan C — June 26, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
This is the type of hateful comments that show how evil people like Juan C are.
I guess you didn't read about the fact that about the recent arrest of over 700 SECULAR persons that were using children for ponography, right?
or the thousands of SECULAR individuals that have been arrested for doing child ponography.
Idiot, you do know that an independent study has shown that less than 2% of priests have ever molested a child, while over 15% of the SECULAR population has molested a child, right?
you do know that there have been lawyers, judges, policemen, teachers, and many other members of the SECULAR world, much more than priests have been invovled in child molestation and ponography.
You are quite the imbecile Juan C, how easily the media uses imbeciles and poorly educated fools like you.
You defend Islam, which is fool of extreme wackos that believe women have no souls, that women will never get to a Heaven, that believe women are theirs for the taking, that believe jidhad a justifiable way to convert others and you attack Catholicism.
How small, uneducated and pityful of you. I am embarrass to belong to the same human race that you do.
retard, athiests molest children too, sadly enough and guess what. All the priests that have been caught doing child molestation were none other than homosexuals.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:06 pmJesus NEVER condemned the adulterer, or even theives.
The sin he concerned himself with was the corruption of the masses by the religious right of his day.
He devoted his entire ministry to rebuking the religious right, and teaching the people how to be kind one to another.
Thats it. That sums his ministry up in a nutshell.
That is historical fact, and if you doubt me, I suggest you read the 4 gospels again, and then start on Farrar.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI have a giant, refrigerator sized diamond in my backyard. I've never seen it, but I believe it is there. My family and I go digging in the back yard for it every Sunday.
The other day my neighbor asked me why we were digging in the yard. I explained it to him. He looked at me rather strangely as though I was crazy for believeing such a thing. I told him that this diamond gave my life meaning. I told him that it brought my family together in a very important way. In fact, I told him that I didn't want to imagine a universe where there wasn't a refrigerator sized diamond in my backyard. He laughed and walked away.
Later that day he came home from church and told this crazy story about eating the flesh, and drinking the blood, of some guy that lived 2000 years ago. I looked at him like he was nuts and walked away.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:06 pmIs it located in San Francisco?
Comment by Daryll ---Yeah, I had missed that one earlier. See, the bad thing here is that Daryl and I are the 'neocon's' on this site and he bugs the crap outta me. Hate and ignorance are supposed to be the foundations of the Left. I don't get it...need air! LOL
June 26th, 2007 at 6:06 pmBut I have been considered a weird person by dark-toned individuals because I don’t eat macaroni, poultry, and watermelon.
Comment by Daryll — June 26, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Holy shit!!
June 26th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI'll be here all week, BARTLEBEE.
Try the hummus (and stay away from the chickenhawk—it's a bit underdone and gamey, not to mention the foul stench).
:-)
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June 26th, 2007 at 6:07 pmShe’s upset because when Bill Clinton eats an onion ring, it makes her think of her own vagina — and that reminds her that she forgot to buy ketchup again.
Comment by Zooey
eeeeewwwwwwwwww.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:08 pmretard, athiests molest children too, sadly enough and guess what. All the priests that have been caught doing child molestation were none other than homosexuals.
Comment by Conservadumb — June 26, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Are you kidding me? The Catholic church has been inducting young men into serving as sex slaves to priests, bishops cardinals and popes since its creation.
So much in fact, they changed their motto from saving the children to fu$king the Children.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:09 pmYeah, I had missed that one earlier. See, the bad thing here is that Daryl and I are the ‘neocon’s’ on this site and he bugs the crap outta me. Hate and ignorance are supposed to be the foundations of the Left. I don’t get it…need air! LOL
Comment by SGT Higgins
It's called cognitive dissonance. Heh.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:09 pmJesus never condemned adultery? Are you crazy? That is one of the ten commandments. Read your bible.
–Comment by Daryll
Jesus wrote the Ten Commandments? Really?
Someone should call Charlton Heston.
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Comment by Unholy Moses — June 26, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
and this is why we know Liberals are NOT true Christians. If you new your Bible, you would know that Jesus talked greatly about the laws of Moses and which ones He said should be followed and which one should not be followed.
Jesus did condemn adultry, anyone that is a Christian and knows their Bible knows this.
let us also not forget that the women that was brought before Jesus by the hypocritical Pharisees was an adulterer who the Pharisees wanted to stone. As we all know Jesus said to the hypocrites, "he amongst you who has not sin throw the first stone." they all left. Then Jesus turn to the woman, the adulterer and told her, "go and SIN NO MORE."
Obviously Jesus showed that adultery is a sin, and that judging others is also a sin.
get a clue Liberals who are fake Christians.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:10 pmYou say "our community", obviously meaning the black community, talk about "dark toned individuals", and yet...you don't recognize skin color. As far as the food thing, I don't know what the hell that's supposed to mean, but ok. It's fine with me. Not only do you get to be not black, you get to have your delusions.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:10 pmI don’t rant. I merely point out the stupidity of comparing today’s events and history (700-1000 years ago). Thank you for being such an excellent example of crafting a poorly thought out argument.
Comment by valiant venus
Oh this is priceless, here's you're whacked out post from earlier on the thread. Using a movement that ended in 1930 to babble on.
"Left-wing “Christian†social-justice religions were hijacked by the Unitarians and Humanist Movement back in the `1930’s…..But at least we know where the “Christian Left†is on Sunday mornings……(I do have a question for my atheist friends - are the Christian Left,( by identifying themselves as Christians, a title which proclaims the divinity of Christ) - as stupid and uninformed as Chrisitan conservatives?"
Comment by valiant venus
You are such a pathetic tool.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:10 pmeeeeewwwwwwwwww.
Comment by trueblue
Heh. Maybe VV will go back to ignoring me. :)
June 26th, 2007 at 6:10 pmI’ll be here all week, BARTLEBEE.
Try the hummus (and stay away from the chickenhawk—it’s a bit underdone and gamey, not to mention the foul stench).
:-)
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 26, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Great. I'll reserve seating.
But can we do something about the shcmucks?
June 26th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
You're a conservative Republican Christian. Right?
June 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pmand this is why we know Liberals are NOT true Christians. If you new your Bible, you would know that Jesus talked greatly about the laws of Moses and which ones He said should be followed and which one should not be followed.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
No he didn't you fruitcake.
He never said don't follow this law, or that law. He pointed to honoring obsevance of the law of moses but he also pointed out that he came to fullfill the law, and provided his "new laws", which had nothing to do with adultery, homosexualtiy or anything else, other than being kind to humans you do not know.
You haven't a clue as to the gospel of Christ, but if you'd like, provide examples. I'm all ears.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:13 pmretard, athiests molest children too, sadly enough and guess what. All the priests that have been caught doing child molestation were none other than homosexuals.
Comment by Conservadumb — June 26, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Are you kidding me? The Catholic church has been inducting young men into serving as sex slaves to priests, bishops cardinals and popes since its creation.
So much in fact, they changed their motto from saving the children to fu$king the Children.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
great slander against the Church. How sad that you would claim such nonsense as fact.
Let us not forget that the upper enchelon of the Nazi party, all atheist men, were great child molestors and f@@ggs.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:14 pmHere. Here is what passes for logic with a conservative Christian.
Obviously Jesus showed that adultery is a sin, and that judging others is also a sin.
get a clue Liberals who are fake Christians.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Well then I guess you just sinned, huh?
June 26th, 2007 at 6:15 pmDarryl
- So why do you libs encourage society to continue to sin? Why do you inform them that they can sin, disregard repentance, and still make it to heaven? --- They aren't! They're telling them that there is NO heaven..or hell...or God. They grant them the CHOICE to believe or NOT....so does God by the way. He absolutely values human life and freedom to choose Him or not...after all, if we could 'win 'em all' there would be no Hell.
I bind the demon that is in you and your party, in Jesus name. --- Ok, thanks...that little bastard was really playing hell with my sinuses there for a minute. You bound him up good, too. Way to go! (You'll have to teach me that one sometime)
BARTLEBEE - #330 - I agree with that post EXCEPT that the religious establishment is regarded as the right, as if that's justification for disallowing all things 'right' or conservative.
Anyway, have a great night all
June 26th, 2007 at 6:15 pmLet us not forget that the upper enchelon of the Nazi party, all atheist men, were great child molestors and f@@ggs.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
No. They weren't aetheist men. Most of them were Christian, and Catholic.
You know shit.
Of course, you can talk to the upper echelon of the Republican party, who produces child molesters like Mark Foley.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:16 pmAnyway, have a great night all
Comment by SGT Higgins
Goodnight Sarge, and um, welcome to the dark side. :)
June 26th, 2007 at 6:17 pm“Is that like a dose of the clap? I heard they have shots for that now.â€
Comment by Zooey
Spoken like a woman who would know….
Comment by valiant venus
Hey Skank, we've all seen your picture. If you don't have venereal disease it's only because you can't get anybody to come near you.
Lawyer my ass. Cocktail waitress would be too classy for you.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:18 pmAs for hypocrisy, lets talk about Ted Haggard, the leader of the largest Christian evangelical church in the nation, who also was a PERSONAL ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT BUSH, and who devoted his entire ministry to rooting out homosexuality.
Then turned out to be a crack smoking homosexual who paid homosexual prostitutes for sex and drugs.
HYPOCRISY is your middle name.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:18 pmBARTLEBEE - #330 - I agree with that post EXCEPT that the religious establishment is regarded as the right, as if that’s justification for disallowing all things ‘right’ or conservative.
Anyway, have a great night all
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 26, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Well, I tend to be hard on organized religion, but there are Christians out there and christian churches who do not lean to the right.
But they're few and far between.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:20 pmZooey, Thanks. ;)
BARTLEBEE - Just a stinkin' minute here!!!
Then turned out to be a crack smoking homosexual who paid homosexual prostitutes for sex and drugs. -------- Are you bashing crack smoking homosexual prostitutes who do drugs???? Or just those who pay them???
(Answer carefully: I fall into one of these categories and this could determine whether I EVER return to TP!!) LMAO..G'night...again.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:23 pmand this is why we know Liberals are NOT true Christians. If you new your Bible, you would know that Jesus talked greatly about the laws of Moses and which ones He said should be followed and which one should not be followed.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
No he didn’t you fruitcake.
He never said don’t follow this law, or that law. He pointed to honoring obsevance of the law of moses but he also pointed out that he came to fullfill the law, and provided his “new lawsâ€, which had nothing to do with adultery, homosexualtiy or anything else, other than being kind to humans you do not know.
You haven’t a clue as to the gospel of Christ, but if you’d like, provide examples. I’m all ears.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Bartlebee, you are an a poor ignorant fool. Jesus did talk about the Laws of Moses a great deal. He also talked about the 10 Commandment and the two new commandments.
obviously talking to you is a waste of time.
you like every Liberal I know spew hate, ignorance, half-truths and pure lies.
keep on spewing your hate, you are only fooling the ignorant and the blind masses.
i pity you kid.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:28 pmNope. I have nothing against homosexuals, however I'd suggest you get to some Alanon meetings for the crack thing.
:D
I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of another neocon, Ted Haggard, who devoted his entire ministry to rooting out and condemning homosexuality, only to get busted buying sex from a homosexual prostitute.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:29 pmBART - Hitler adopted pagan practices. The fact that the Catholic clergy was rounded up for extermination does not support your "story". Any Catholics inciting genocide excommunicated themselves....kind of like Catholic pro-choice politicians.
Well, I appreciate you demonstrating your level of knowledge....I needed a good laugh!!
Tooodles.............
June 26th, 2007 at 6:29 pmLet us not forget that the upper enchelon of the Nazi party, all atheist men, were great child molestors and f@@ggs.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
No. They weren’t aetheist men. Most of them were Christian, and Catholic.
You know shit.
Of course, you can talk to the upper echelon of the Republican party, who produces child molesters like Mark Foley.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
More ignorance...wow! No, they were atheists, they were homosexuals and they loved molesting children.
they were not Christians, if they were, I ask you, why did they go after Catholics and any and all Christians? priests, nuns, etc were murdered, arrested, taken to concentration camps, gased just like the Jews.
I would urge you to open up a book and get an education, my poor ignorant fool.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:31 pmBartlebee, you are an a poor ignorant fool. Jesus did talk about the Laws of Moses a great deal. He also talked about the 10 Commandment and the two new commandments.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
Who's the fool again here? Because I never said he didn't "talk" about them.
He did warn against calling people fools though.
Promised Hellfire for that, didn't he dimwit?
June 26th, 2007 at 6:31 pmComment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
You’re a conservative Republican Christian. Right?
Comment by Zooey — June 26, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
No I am not. but nice try in stereotyping me. Typical Liberal who loves stereotyping those they disagree with.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:32 pmNope. I have nothing against homosexuals, however I’d suggest you get to some Alanon meetings for the crack thing.
:D
I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of another neocon, Ted Haggard, who devoted his entire ministry to rooting out and condemning homosexuality, only to get busted buying sex from a homosexual prostitute.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
and there has been no Democrat, no Liberal that has been caught hiring prostitutes, doing drugs or molesting children, right?
man, you are what is known as a perfect idiot.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:34 pmVenus you're the most pathetic excuse for a troll that the RNC pinches out in here.
You make an inane statement, then with your trademark "toodles" you just fly off like a turd from a horses ass.
Hitler had well known support for the catholic church, and the name, the Die Tausend Jahr Reich, literally referred to the thousand year reign of christ on earth, hitler in this case, being Christ.
I could go on but clearly you're unworthy of my keystrokes.
....Doodles...
June 26th, 2007 at 6:35 pmand there has been no Democrat, no Liberal that has been caught hiring prostitutes, doing drugs or molesting children, right?
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Sure. But you guys are the Oscar winners.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:36 pmI don’t rant. I merely point out the stupidity of comparing today’s events and history (700-1000 years ago). Thank you for being such an excellent example of crafting a poorly thought out argument.
Comment by valiant venus
Oh this is priceless, here’s you’re whacked out post from earlier on the thread. Using a movement that ended in 1930 to babble on.
“Left-wing “Christian†social-justice religions were hijacked by the Unitarians and Humanist Movement back in the `1930’s…..But at least we know where the “Christian Left†is on Sunday mornings……(I do have a question for my atheist friends - are the Christian Left,( by identifying themselves as Christians, a title which proclaims the divinity of Christ) - as stupid and uninformed as Chrisitan conservatives?â€
Comment by valiant venus
You are such a pathetic tool.
Comment by shane — June 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Shane, you are another ignorant liberal fool, I mean tool.
Unitarians and Humanist movement is still very much alive. You are quite an ignorant tool.
I would urge you to do research before you speak out of your ass like every Liberal out there.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:37 pmOffended? Report it to the FCC
From http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.pdf
June 26th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
they were not Christians, if they were, I ask you, why did they go after Catholics and any and all Christians? priests, nuns, etc were murdered, arrested, taken to concentration camps, gased just like the Jews.
I would urge you to open up a book and get an education, my poor ignorant fool.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Yes, they were Christians clown.
As for the education, have you read Mein Kampf? I have.
In the orginal German.
Did it when I was 15. Right about the time your father was ejecting your dna into his sister.
And I can tell you you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You've spent your time googling focus sights and never bothered to hear what Hitler really had to say. He condemned homosexuality, advocated monogomy and regular church attendence, and condemned pre marital sex.
If you had bothered to read his words, you'd know that.
But since you didn't, you don't.
Just like that thing you call Valiant Anus.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:43 pmin your transcription:
"values had hate their church"
Obama said "dislike"
June 26th, 2007 at 6:45 pmFART&PEE, can't you see that you have lost the argument?!?!?!?!?!?!
June 26th, 2007 at 6:47 pmOffended? Report it to the FCC
Comment by Jim — June 26, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Yea I'm offened. By idiots like you who pretend to be "good guys" but really are wolves in sheeps clothing.
Heres a tip Einstein.
The document you provided, and the law which it cites, refers to RADIO and TELEVISION ONLY.
It is not applicable here, but nice try, pussy.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:48 pmDid it when I was 15. Right about the time your father was ejecting your dna into his sister.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
well son, and this is why you lose the argument. you are hateful, pityful, ignorant, full of vile, venom. If you were correct, you wouldn't have to use worthless, pathetic, unhuman being insults like the one above.
you are a child, a dumb, dumb child.
now continue arguing with yourself.
all I can do is pity you kid.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:49 pmUm ...
The first person who can point to a single post on this or any other site where I claim to be a Christian gets a dollar.
OFF TOPIC: I swear ... TP has the most generous moderators in the history of the world, because Conservatron has violated at least two provisions in the Terms of Use agreement.
Violated.
Violated.
Again, why TP allows this guy to post is beyond me.
The SGT, on the other hand, seems like a reasonable person -- he disagrees, but brings up good points. After all, we don't want an echo chamber, just intelligent debate.
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June 26th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI'd also note that BARTLEBEE has also violated the ToU in this thread -- although he doesn't do it in every ... single ... post ... the way Conservatron does.
Again, if someone from the right has a valid point, fine. But the trolling has got to stop, TP. Your site is being ruined by them.
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June 26th, 2007 at 6:52 pmwell son, and this is why you lose the argument. you are hateful, pityful, ignorant, full of vile, venom. If you were correct, you wouldn’t have to use worthless, pathetic, unhuman being insults like the one above.
you are a child, a dumb, dumb child.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
By lose you mean you know when you're beaten I assume?
Or did you fail to notice that right after you condemned me for name calling, you called me names?
You're a hack. A wuss, trying to sound smart. But you and that thing you call DUMAS INTER ECONTRAS ihave got nothing. Just lots of "bawahahaha's" and one liners.
When you READ Mein Kampf, you will see how wrong you are.
And I could care when that occurs, if ever.
And by the way Junior, I stopped being called kid about 45 years ago.
Loser.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:53 pmAlright, I'm outa here. If all we got is whiners who can't handle a little verbal debate, I'll leave, and let you guys bore everyone to tears.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:55 pmDead fetuses SWEAR liberals hate them.
Comment by valiant venus
And I suppose no Republican women have ever had abortions, eh? But, of course, you are the expert in channeling dead children, like your fictional late daughter. Oodles of noodles, Toodley-pie.
June 26th, 2007 at 6:56 pmNo I am not. but nice try in stereotyping me. Typical Liberal who loves stereotyping those they disagree with.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
No stereotyping going on by me, but you might check yourself, valiantthehater.
You didn't have a single problem calling me a murderer -- or a typical liberal who loves stereotyping those I disagree with.
You seem to hate everything we stand for, so I'm wondering exactly what you stand for.
June 26th, 2007 at 7:10 pmDude, I'm on your side and love your posts.
But hurling invective back and forth does not equal "verbal debate."
I guess it'd be nice if we didn't lower ourselves to the trolls level.
Honestly ... does doing so help make your point?
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June 26th, 2007 at 7:14 pm**crickets chirping**
Just as I thought, valiantthehater.
June 26th, 2007 at 7:22 pmi think miss coulter should shut up. ignorant little american. blond stupid bitch
June 26th, 2007 at 7:35 pmI should like to recommend the Canadian English Professor and Presbyterian minister Northrop Frye. His twin volumes on the Bible and Literature (note that AND is not AS) The Great Code and Words With Power.
I think, Daryll, the important thing is to know that Jesus did not speak literally. He spoke in riddles, parables, and through poetic metaphors. His comments on adultery are paradoxical. And it's your interpretation that tries to regain the upperhand of the Pharisees, who were legalists.
I would like to return to what this threat is really about: The smear of Obama, the UCC, and progressive liberals of faith everywhere. That's the real sin. And you Daryll and Valiant Venus are participating in this stoning of Obama.
I'd like to post a link here to a speech Obama gave some time ago. It's introduced by liberal Rabbi Lerner: Barack Obama on Religiophobia. It's time we talked about the real question: Why the Far Right and the Far Left are afraid of People with Faith. The Left think it's corny and obsolete and the Right can't stand faith that is Living, they prefer it dead and stuffed.
June 26th, 2007 at 8:03 pmHonestly … does doing so help make your point?
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Comment by Unholy Moses — June 26, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Sometimes.
But it always makes my day.
June 26th, 2007 at 8:10 pmStill hearing crickets, valiantthehater.....
June 26th, 2007 at 8:55 pmOsama Smeared As Terrorist Again On Fox News
OMG what are liberals gonna do???
Bush is the only terrorist
June 26th, 2007 at 9:11 pmBush is the only terrorist
No, there are OTHERS, but Bush and Cheney ARE TRAITORS and TERRORISTS.
June 26th, 2007 at 9:19 pmhttp://www.evolvemagazine.com/display_article.asp?art_num=5-66
June 26th, 2007 at 9:53 pm376.
It's the Jews.
June 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmwell i tip my hat to colmes for keeping himself in a constant state of alcohol and/or drug induced stupor day in day out dealing with coultergeists and hannitys and the likes
June 26th, 2007 at 11:37 pmThis really is ridiculous. I can't believe CNN actually did this too. I could see this happening once on accident but come on now.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:02 amIt seems to me that Fox was DEFENDING Brock against that woman.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:06 amhttp://www.kevynnmalone.blogspot.com for Obama and for silently bedding Coulter. We don't want her to speak, please.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:26 amOne sure sign that you've won the debate is when the opposition begins to impersonate you.
This post
376.
It’s the Jews.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 26, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
is NOT mine.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:45 amJohn Edwards has to have his wife stand up to mean old Ann Coulter. What a complete wuss.
June 27th, 2007 at 3:45 amOh ... I know blasting a troll can be good for the soul and all. Been there, done that.
:-)
But my point is that by feeding the trolls, we perpetuate their postings. If we ignored them, they'd probably go back under their bridges.
Which reminds me of an idea I had: A site dedicated to exposing right wing trolls on liberal sites called "Back Under the Bridge."
If I had more time I'd love to do it. Maybe someone else could.
Oh ... and before any wingnut says they could do the same, they couldn't -- most rightie sites don't allow comments, and those that do delete any post that doesn't typographically fellate the site owner.
Anyway ... that's all I got. Have a great day everyone (except the trolls, natch).
June 27th, 2007 at 9:28 amWay to shake that lame pussy image Edwards, having the wife taking on your critics.
Seriously TP, do you check the email addresses you receive these tips from ? Maybe consider not running with the @gop.com stories ?
June 27th, 2007 at 9:56 amA black seperatist agenda, right. And these white extreme right conservatives who promote taxcuts for the wealthy after they've enslaved the black man for decades just want nothing else but good for everyone. I don't think so. the vested interests and powers in America are white, and these people have a race-based agenda too. These people are in the damned 'white' house. These people want nothing else but to own a company, steal money from ordinary citizens and keep the black man working for no pay. They say immigration should be illegal but they themselves came into this country carrying guns and killing all the native Americans. Double standards is all these white people have, that's why their children grow up to be such retards, voting for idiot presidents and not caring when their cousins in war come home dead.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:28 amBut my point is that by feeding the trolls, we perpetuate their postings.
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 27, 2007 @ 9:28 am
So?
Whats the alternative? Ignore them like wimps and hope they won't pick on us? We tried that routine before, and its why we're where we are today. The reason the left loses elections and the reason the right is respected by so many as the tougher party, is because half the people on the left are busy telling the other half not to engage the right.
Well I can take care of myself pal. And this ain't Romper Room and you're not Miss Sally. And if it were, I still wouldn't listen to you.
That "Lets ignore the trolls" bullshit is what has painted the left wing as the wimps in the eyes of the general population, and its why we lose elections, and its why people don't trust us to be strong on security.
So you keep playing Miss Sally there, and telling everyone to not stand up for themselves. You keep tyring to play mommy to the left wing, telling them to "play nice" and "ignore the right wing", and keep handing them the victory before we get out of the race.
But in case you didn't notice, a brave woman named Elizibeth Edwards didn't ignore the biggest troll in the world yesterday, and called in and took Ann Coulter on in front of the entire world. She didn't try to "play nice", and she didn't "ignore" Ann Coulter, the ultimate troll.
She butted heads with her head on, and in doing so, actually persuaded some in the audience who were cheering for Coulter to cheer her instead.
We don't need any more kindergarten teachers.
We don't need any more social workers or mediators.
We need people who are willing to meet the right wing head on, and beat them at their own game.
We've got more of the other kind, than we need.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:02 amIf we can't meet the wimpy trolls in here and take them on, how the hell can we debate them or take them on in larger venues?
Consider this the Dugway proving grounds, and consider BARTLEBEE, a bunker buster.
We need more bunker busters.
Calling all bunker busters.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:07 amBARTLEBEE--
First of all, I never told you what to do. I made a simple request. Methinks you're a tad insecure.
Second of all, if you think that hurling insults back and forth with people who have no desire whatsoever for serious debate is a good idea, that's your choice. It's a stupid choice, since you might as well just scream at a wall -- you'd probably get better results.
Thirdly, Elizabeth Edwards didn't insult Coulter. She addressed her calmly, intelligently, and with facts on her side. In other words, the exact opposite of what you're doing here.
And fourth and last, there's nothing wrong with pointing out errors in logic and reasoning with the right, nor is there a problem with addressing their falsehoods. But if you think that becoming the left-leaning version of Coulter or Conservatron is the answer, then you're a hypocrite. Again, if that's your choice, fine. But don't get your panties in a bunch when someone calls you out on it.
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June 27th, 2007 at 11:38 amOh, one other thing -- if you want to place Elizabeth Edwards on a pedestal for standing up to Coulter (as you rightfully should, BTW), you may want to take her advice:
Or ignore it. Whatever.
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June 27th, 2007 at 11:41 amOh, and one other thing. Edwards was talking about the personal attacks on her husband and others, that were NOT part of an exchange or debate of issues or substance.
Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, ALL mix insults and such in their attacks on the right wing.
Should they just shut up too?
Should they learn to "play nice" too?
June 27th, 2007 at 11:59 amHey I know.
Maybe if we all just hold hands and sing kumbiya and hand out peace lilly's, the mean, ignorant low lifes who have stolen our country and bastardized our democracy, and butchered hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq, wiill just say they're sorry, and quit.
Maybe if we ignore them, they'll just go away, huh?
June 27th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI'm not sure who's side you're really on. I have often considered the very real likleyhood that the right wing sends in posers pretending to be liberal in order to try to get the liberals to try to not engage them, and to try to convince us to "play nice", while they continue to make verbal mince meat out of us.
Whether thats you or not, I do not know. But if its not, could I possibly persuade you to join the right wing? After all, you'd do us so much more good on their side, then you're doing on ours. Just go over to their side and tell them what you've been telling us. Sow discord in their ranks. Everytime one of them descimates one of us in verbal confrontation, you just wag your finger at them and say "shame shame shame, now play nice".
That oughta work.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:38 pmOH NOES!! SOMEONE DISAGREED WITH ME!! HE'S TEH ENEMY!!
Sheesh.
You know, I have yet to see a single troll on here make "verbal mincemeat" of anyone. Simply posting insults that have no basis in reality doesn't qualify.
Because stooping to their level has worked so amazingly well, huh?
Show me one single troll who has ever decimated anyone on this board. All I see are people who have no interest in anything but hurling insults.
You know, if you need to go around online believing that whomever shouts loudest is the winner, then fine. Go ahead.
But don't act like a toddler in need of nap when someone points out that lowering yourself to the level of Conservatron just makes you the opposite side of the same coin -- a hateful, vitriolic individual obviously incapable of making a reasoned argument.
And that's the point -- one can confront the rightwing and their lies without lowering themselves to their level. All it takes is some intelligence and a bit of effort You seem to have the intelligence -- guess you're just lazy.
I realize I'm wasting my time with you, but thought I'd give it a shot. I dunno ... maybe I should just tell you to go f*** yourself since that seems to be the only level of discourse you seem to understand.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:55 pmIrony: Someone arguing in favor of hateful rhetoric on a thread pointing out the stupidity and ugliness of hateful rhetoric.
Maybe I should call Alanis Morisette after I get off the phone with Charlton ...
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June 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pmYou know, if you need to go around online believing that whomever shouts loudest is the winner, then fine. Go ahead.
But don’t act like a toddler in need of nap when someone points out that lowering yourself to the level of Conservatron just makes you the opposite side of the same coin — a hateful, vitriolic individual obviously incapable of making a reasoned argument.
And that’s the point — one can confront the rightwing and their lies without lowering themselves to their level. All it takes is some intelligence and a bit of effort You seem to have the intelligence — guess you’re just lazy.
I realize I’m wasting my time with you, but thought I’d give it a shot. I dunno … maybe I should just tell you to go f*** yourself since that seems to be the only level of discourse you seem to understand.
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 27, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
F*** yourself. Traitor.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pmAnd that, ladies and gentlemen, proves that there's no difference between BARTLEBEE and the wingnut trolls.
Thanks for proving my point.
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June 27th, 2007 at 1:20 pmGo F@#@@$@$$k YOURself Bartlebitch.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — June 27, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
This is NOT my post Moses. I did not post this. Someone is impersonating me. I also suspect the 121 Post by you telling me to go F myself is not yours either.
Now, "I" will address your response to me.
But don’t act like a toddler in need of nap when someone points out that lowering yourself to the level of Conservatron just makes you the opposite side of the same coin — a hateful, vitriolic individual obviously incapable of making a reasoned argument.
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 27, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
You think because you "INSULT" me using flowery words you're somehow "above me"?
You call me a "toddler in need of a nap", and you think thats NOT an insult?
Who's hurling the insults now lamebrain?
I have my way of insulting.
And you CLEARLY have yours.
The difference between us is, I don't go crying like a little girl when you do it, like you do to me.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:25 pmI realize I’m wasting my time with you, but thought I’d give it a shot. I dunno … maybe I should just tell you to go f*** yourself since that seems to be the only level of discourse you seem to understand.
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 27, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
You did.
You just craft your insults more deviously than I do.
You insult me while you're condemning me for using insults.
And that you think makes you more erudite than me.
It does not.
It just makes you a hypocrite.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pmIrony: Someone arguing in favor of hateful rhetoric on a thread pointing out the stupidity and ugliness of hateful rhetoric.
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 27, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Irony: A self professed intellectual who insults another blogger for using insults.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pmLike I said slim.
If you're not one of them, you oughta be.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pmBARTLEBEE--
Calling you "a toddler in need of a nap" wasn't an insult -- it was an observation on the way you're acting. If you see that as an insult, that's your issue, not mine.
For the umpteenth time, if you think using the same tactics against the right as the right uses against the left, that's your call. I fail to see how the hell that helps anything, moves dialog forward, or solves the many issues facing our country. But that's just me.
Oh ... and I've been posting on this site a lot longer than you, have ran a liberal blog for nearly two years, and donate quite a bit of time and money to liberal causes. So my liberal bona fides are pretty strong. Just an FYI.
This will be my last response to you, since you obviously don't get it. Hopefully some day you will.
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June 27th, 2007 at 1:41 pmBARTLEBEE–
Calling you “a toddler in need of a nap†wasn’t an insult — it was an observation on the way you’re acting.
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 27, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
It wasn't?
Oh I see.
Now you're like Dick Cheney and George Bush, who just take something and call it something else.
Sorry slick, calling someone a "toddler in need of a nap" is as insulting to anyone as calling them a lamebrain.
Here. Lets look at a few of the "non insults" you said to me while condemning me for using "insults" in my debate.
UNHOLY MOSES SAID THE FOLLOWING TO BARTLEBEE
"you’re just lazy"
"a toddler in need of nap "
" hateful, vitriolic individual"
" you’re a tad insecure."
"left-leaning version of Coulter"
"you’re a hypocrite"
Not insults ay?
Like I said. You're a wimp who hypocritically condemns others for what you are guilty of yourself.
I say what I think, and like I told you before hypocrite, if you don't like it, LEAVE.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:54 pmThis will be my last response to you, .
Comment by Moldy Moses — June 27, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
You promised that a dozen posts ago crybaby.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:55 pmDamn ... 423 posts and half are two guys bitching at each other.
Although I do kinda agree with UM on this one because it'd be nice if we found a way to smack the crap out of the trolls without being just like them. 'Tis a bit frustrating sometimes to see fine folks taking the troll bait.
**ducks and covers**
June 27th, 2007 at 2:05 pmBARTLEBEE–
Calling you “a toddler in need of a nap†wasn’t an insult — it was an observation on the way you’re acting.
If you see that as an insult, that’s your issue, not mine.
Comment by Unholy Moses — June 27, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
:|
And likewise, calling you a wimp, or a lamebrain, wasn't an insult - it was an observation on the way you're acting.
If you see that as an insult, thats your issue, not mine.
June 27th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI think you two should really hug it out ...
;-)
June 27th, 2007 at 2:10 pmWell I agree with Bartlebee.
Unholy moses was insulting him as much as he insulted anyone else. Just because he trys to sound like a grade school teacher while doing it, doesn't make it any less insulting.
Bartlebee's right. He's a hypocrite.
June 27th, 2007 at 2:11 pm"Bartlebee’s right. He’s a hypocrite.
LeftyMcGuire"
Yep.
Although I think UM was right as well about how to handle trolls.
So their both right AND wrong! Thus causing a rip in space time ...
:-)
June 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pmDamn … 423 posts and half are two guys bitching at each other.
Although I do kinda agree with UM on this one because it’d be nice if we found a way to smack the crap out of the trolls without being just like them. ‘Tis a bit frustrating sometimes to see fine folks taking the troll bait.
Comment by Mark D — June 27, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Yea, and your comment added so much to the thread.
June 27th, 2007 at 2:16 pmAlthough I think UM was right as well about how to handle trolls.
Comment by Mark D — June 27, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Really? So you think sissy insults like a grown man saying sissy things like "you're a toddler who needs a nap" is somehow better than Bartlebee just calling someone a lamebrain?
Moe on the 3 Stooges called people lamebrains, and it was funny. I'm with Bartlebee on this one. Liberal crybabys in here just want to bitch and moan about everyone being nice and talking nice. Meanwhile they insult too, just in their sissy way. I prefer someone who is honest and just calls it like it is, and talks like a regular person, not some tightass kiddygarten teacher.
June 27th, 2007 at 2:20 pmDamn ... I should've known better than to chime in, even with snark. Y'all are much more invested in this than I am.
My fault.
**slowly backs out of the thread**
June 27th, 2007 at 2:30 pmDamn … I should’ve known better than to chime in
Comment by Mark D — June 27, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Yea, if by chiming in you mean stumbling in and mocking two other posters, then yea, guess you should've known better slick.
Maybe next time, huh?
June 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pm"Yea, if by chiming in you mean stumbling in and mocking two other posters, then yea, guess you should’ve known better slick.
Maybe next time, huh?
BARTLEBEE"
Wow. Just ... wow.
Maybe you should try decaf.
June 27th, 2007 at 2:56 pmMy fault.
**slowly backs out of the thread**
Comment by Mark D — June 27, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
SLOWLY BACKS INTO THE THREAD
Wow. Just … wow.
Maybe you should try decaf.
Comment by Mark D — June 27, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Sure slick, sure.
Of course, maybe you should try not writing a check with your mouth that your keyboard can't cash.
June 27th, 2007 at 3:21 pmSince my other post was deleted by TP (I guess others can post insults that contain f-bombs, but not me).
Coming this summer ...
BARTLEBEE: THREAD NAZI
Watch as he decides when a person can post!
Marvel at the way he insults anyone who may agree with him politically, but disagrees with some of the things he does!
And soak up the joy of him acting like a tough guy from behind his keyboard!
BARTLEBEE: Thread Nazi!
Check your local listings.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:01 pmAnd soak up the joy of him acting like a tough guy from behind his keyboard!
Comment by Unholy Moses— June 27, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Man, you sure "BACK OUT OF THE THREAD SLOWLY" real slow, huh chief?
As opposed to acting like a wimp, behind yours?
A wimp that is, who got his ass handed to him under his former handle, so he changed it.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmOr didn't you think I'd notice?
June 27th, 2007 at 4:10 pmAnd by the way, Mark the Dick, I never told a person that they can't post, or what to post.
You however, as yourself and your altar ego, have been telling me what to say since you opened that big fat mouth of yours.
Get your accusations straight, dick.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pmHuh?
June 27th, 2007 at 4:16 pmYea, "huh"?
June 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmUm ... whaaaaa?
I really have no idea what the hell you are typing about. Really.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmLook dickhead, I've wasted enough time on you in here. Or didn't you notice this thread has been dead for a while, and its just you, and me in here, as it has been all morning?
If you want me, then come find me in the other threads, "dick".
I'll be at your service.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:19 pmI'll leave you with this.
ANN COULTER is a dirty lying media whore.
And she looks like the northbound end of a southbound mule.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:20 pm"Look dickhead, I’ve wasted enough time on you in here. Or didn’t you notice this thread has been dead for a while, and its just you, and me in here, as it has been all morning?"
I only entered this thread on my lunch break. Tried to make a few funnies, only to be blasted. I think you have me confused with someone else.
"I’ll be at your service."
I am sure you service lots and lots of people (NTTATWWT).
And I'll leave you this:
You need help. Professional, if possible.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:24 pmLook dickhead, I’ve wasted enough time on you in here. Or didn’t you notice this thread has been dead for a while, and its just you, and me in here, as it has been all morning?
If you want me, then come find me in the other threads, “dickâ€.
I’ll be at your service. And I'll mop your ass up there just as I did in here, you gutless punk.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:41 pmThats it. I've taken enough off you punk. I'd like to kick your butt you stupid litlte WIMP!!!!!
I HATE YOU!!!!
AND I HATE YOU ALL!!!!!!
June 27th, 2007 at 4:45 pmHow DARE you talk about Ann Coulter that way?
She's a goddess, and I worship her buttcheeks, and you would too if you were just half a man.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:46 pmNow I have to go. My lunchbreak is over and I have to go, but you'd better not be here when I get back!
June 27th, 2007 at 4:47 pmFYI--446 and 447 were not posted by me (and I think 445 wasn't Bartlebee).
June 27th, 2007 at 4:48 pm448 was not me either.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:49 pmHey, I didn't make any of those posts. Someones impersonating me.
But I will say this Bart. You need help. I just came in here on my lunch break to talk with people, and you attacked me so I am leaving.
You need professional help pal.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:49 pmThat was not me.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:50 pm451 was me. Sorry Mark, it's just that after having my ass handed to me today, I'm wrongly taking it out on you.
Apologies.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThis thread has turned into a complete f***ing mess.
Funny at times, but a mess.
June 27th, 2007 at 5:01 pmJust like my shorts.
June 27th, 2007 at 5:07 pm"Just like my shorts.
Comment NOT by Mark D"
Holy crap (pun most definitely intended).
Now THAT was funny!!
ROFL!
June 27th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWhat bearing do you think this has on what I wrote.
Do you see an upside to Edwards' political career ending but his wife's independence being defended ?
Bothered to think which one of these counts for something have you ?
June 27th, 2007 at 8:58 pmThe irony never stops.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:08 pmGot any examples of Bill Maher's work there have you ?
Maybe something that has been recently referred to by a white blonde named Ann and attributed to her instead of Bill ?
TRAN Coulter, don't TRANsport your bony TRANsplanted self in front of my bumper or you'll wind up in my TRANsmission you TRANsparent TRANny!
June 28th, 2007 at 9:15 pm