Comments on: Pentagon Revises Position On Gays In The Military http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:07:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Bob Geffen http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3889535 Bob Geffen Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:52:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3889535 "Pentagon Revises Position On Gays In The Military" Doggy style? “Pentagon Revises Position On Gays In The Military”

Doggy style?

]]> By: Karim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3888238 Karim Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:46:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3888238 I agree...Barry Goldwater once said, "You don't have to be straight to shoot straight." I agree…Barry Goldwater once said, “You don’t have to be straight to shoot straight.”

]]> By: J. Shipp http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3888114 J. Shipp Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:32:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3888114 The headline to this story, "Pentagon Revises Position On Gays In The Military," is misleading and wrong. While this is the first generally positive statement out of the DOD regarding service of gay people, there is no "revision" of DOD policy stated, particularly about "Gays [Serving] In The Military." The DOD statement specifically addresses opportunities for continued government service AFTER being discharged from the military under the DADT regulations. Most discharges under the DADT regulations/policy are "Honerable" or "General Under Honerable Conditions" discharges. Ex-Service Members discharged under these certificates are now, and have always been eligible to work in civil service positions in the DOD or any other federal agency. Of course a private contractor may hire whoever they wish unless there is some provision in the government contract that onle "honerably" discharged veterans may be hired. The statement itself is a good sign, though. It is positive and offer some enouragement for gays to serve. This must be a reflection of Secretary Gates' personal attitude and DOD leadership. I think Gates would favor or support doing away with DADT...... but can't say so publically right now. He certainly has experience working with a lot of talented gay people from his years as CIA Director! The headline to this story, “Pentagon Revises Position On Gays In The Military,” is misleading and wrong.

While this is the first generally positive statement out of the DOD regarding service of gay people, there is no “revision” of DOD policy stated, particularly about “Gays [Serving] In The Military.” The DOD statement specifically addresses opportunities for continued government service AFTER being discharged from the military under the DADT regulations.

Most discharges under the DADT regulations/policy are “Honerable” or “General Under Honerable Conditions” discharges. Ex-Service Members discharged under these certificates are now, and have always been eligible to work in civil service positions in the DOD or any other federal agency. Of course a private contractor may hire whoever they wish unless there is some provision in the government contract that onle “honerably” discharged veterans may be hired.

The statement itself is a good sign, though. It is positive and offer some enouragement for gays to serve. This must be a reflection of Secretary Gates’ personal attitude and DOD leadership. I think Gates would favor or support doing away with DADT…… but can’t say so publically right now. He certainly has experience working with a lot of talented gay people from his years as CIA Director!

]]> By: theswan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3888077 theswan Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:43:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3888077 The notion seems to encourage the goverment to condone the "double standard" again. Our justice system has shown us how "double standard" is a total failure policy. It almost sounds like the users are luring their bait with the prospect of being sex slaves for the higher ups. All to familiar. It's hard to believe the British are so far ahead of us on this. Free the gays. Plain and simple. The notion seems to encourage the goverment to condone the “double standard” again. Our justice system has shown us how “double standard” is a total failure policy.
It almost sounds like the users are luring their bait with the prospect of being sex slaves for the higher ups. All to familiar.
It’s hard to believe the British are so far ahead of us on this.
Free the gays. Plain and simple.

]]> By: Democrat Soldier http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3888069 Democrat Soldier Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:17:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3888069 Interesting that not one single American Military person has complained about the gay service members that they've been "forced" to work and barracks with from other countries. England has allowed openly gay service members, and not one single American has complained or had a problem with that. Spain has allowed openly gay service members, and not one single American has complained or had a problem with that. The so-called "complaints" have only come from officers that don't have to share barracks space with anyone else. The compalints have all come from the members of the right that have refused to serve their country. Interesting that not one single American Military person has complained about the gay service members that they’ve been “forced” to work and barracks with from other countries.

England has allowed openly gay service members, and not one single American has complained or had a problem with that.

Spain has allowed openly gay service members, and not one single American has complained or had a problem with that.

The so-called “complaints” have only come from officers that don’t have to share barracks space with anyone else. The compalints have all come from the members of the right that have refused to serve their country.

]]> By: ArchiesBoy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3888062 ArchiesBoy Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:39:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3888062 Were the truth to come out, it would show that some of our finest and bravest heroes in uniform over the years have been gays and lesbians. Every single armed force since the beginning of history has had its share of them. The American military needs to figure it out and get it right. If the person who just saved your life is gay, and you know it, are you still going to be a bigot? Are you still going to give them a Section 8? Were the truth to come out, it would show that some of our finest and bravest heroes in uniform over the years have been gays and lesbians. Every single armed force since the beginning of history has had its share of them. The American military needs to figure it out and get it right. If the person who just saved your life is gay, and you know it, are you still going to be a bigot? Are you still going to give them a Section 8?

]]> By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887985 ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:50:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887985 <em>So you are willing to shrink an already stretched military? Well, alrite, I’ll leave you to that opinion. Comment by m12 — June 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm</em> Ah, poor little st*pid b!tch! That's exactly what the current policy does. It shrinks the military, to preserve the bigotry of closeted pedophiles and self loathing gays like you. Poor st*pid little hypocrite, it's a tragedy to watch you embarrass yourself daily. You're a typing train wreck, poor little sicko.. So you are willing to shrink an already stretched military? Well, alrite, I’ll leave you to that opinion. Comment by m12 — June 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

Ah, poor little st*pid b!tch! That’s exactly what the current policy does. It shrinks the military, to preserve the bigotry of closeted pedophiles and self loathing gays like you. Poor st*pid little hypocrite, it’s a tragedy to watch you embarrass yourself daily. You’re a typing train wreck, poor little sicko..

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887965 Zooey Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:09:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887965 <em>I wonder, do righties ever have actual “fun” like that, or do they just get all pumped up talking about gassing and hanging judges they don’t like, blah blah blah? Comment by The Republic of Stupidity </em> You know what, TRoS? I can't even imagine it. I haven't met one wingnut, in my family or outside of it, with a raunchy sense of humor. I mean they try, but it just feels uncomfortable. It's like watching Dennis Miller. Painful... I better git, my son wants some time online. It's been great talking to you, TRoS. Goodnight!! :) I wonder, do righties ever have actual “fun” like that, or do they just get all pumped up talking about gassing and hanging judges they don’t like, blah blah blah?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

You know what, TRoS? I can’t even imagine it. I haven’t met one wingnut, in my family or outside of it, with a raunchy sense of humor. I mean they try, but it just feels uncomfortable. It’s like watching Dennis Miller. Painful…

I better git, my son wants some time online. It’s been great talking to you, TRoS. Goodnight!! :)

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887962 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:07:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887962 Really odd thing about the Gannon website was him wearing military dog tags in all his pics. He had several pics of himself naked in different poses and the dog tags around his neck. Comment by Jay Randal Geez, isn't that probably a violation of some military code? I mean, I'm feeling kind of violated just hearing about it. Ya think the righties would have been all over that one. Come to think of it, naaah, they were all too busy, "studying the evidence", "in private"... Really odd thing about the Gannon website was him wearing military dog tags in all his pics. He had several pics of himself naked in different poses and the dog tags around his neck.

Comment by Jay Randal

Geez, isn’t that probably a violation of some military code? I mean, I’m feeling kind of violated just hearing about it. Ya think the righties would have been all over that one. Come to think of it, naaah, they were all too busy, “studying the evidence”, “in private”…

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887957 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:04:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887957 We should wait until Saturday to do another hijacking. You should be able to spend at least a little time with you newly attached ass. Heh. Comment by Zooey Agreed. My ass needs some time to reattach itself. Lord knows the kinds of comments this crowd would make if it fell off right in the middle of things. I wonder, do righties ever have actual "fun" like that, or do they just get all pumped up talking about gassing and hanging judges they don't like, blah blah blah? We should wait until Saturday to do another hijacking. You should be able to spend at least a little time with you newly attached ass.

Heh.

Comment by Zooey

Agreed. My ass needs some time to reattach itself. Lord knows the kinds of comments this crowd would make if it fell off right in the middle of things. I wonder, do righties ever have actual “fun” like that, or do they just get all pumped up talking about gassing and hanging judges they don’t like, blah blah blah?

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887949 Zooey Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:59:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887949 <em>I have to say, I was laughing my ass off on this end. I was literally ass-less until a doctor was able to reattach it the next day. I get the stitches out on Friday. Comment by The Republic of Stupidity </em> Sometimes I get laughing so hard at the other TP commenters, I have tears running down my face. Especially with Juan's friend's unfortunate accident. :D We should wait until Saturday to do another hijacking. You should be able to spend at least a little time with you newly attached ass. Heh. I have to say, I was laughing my ass off on this end. I was literally ass-less until a doctor was able to reattach it the next day. I get the stitches out on Friday.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

Sometimes I get laughing so hard at the other TP commenters, I have tears running down my face. Especially with Juan’s friend’s unfortunate accident. :D

We should wait until Saturday to do another hijacking. You should be able to spend at least a little time with you newly attached ass.

Heh.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887945 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:53:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887945 No, thank YOU, TRoS. You were a wonderful audience for the hijacking. :D Comment by Zooey I have to say, I was laughing my ass off on this end. I was literally ass-less until a doctor was able to reattach it the next day. I get the stitches out on Friday. No, thank YOU, TRoS. You were a wonderful audience for the hijacking.
:D

Comment by Zooey

I have to say, I was laughing my ass off on this end. I was literally ass-less until a doctor was able to reattach it the next day. I get the stitches out on Friday.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887939 Zooey Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:50:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887939 <em>I duck too fast!!! Badda-bing!! Thank you… thank you… you’ve been a wonderful audience. Comment by The Republic of Stupidity </em> No, thank YOU, TRoS. You were a wonderful audience for the hijacking. :D I duck too fast!!! Badda-bing!! Thank you… thank you… you’ve been a wonderful audience.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

No, thank YOU, TRoS. You were a wonderful audience for the hijacking.
:D

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887937 Jay Randal Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:48:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887937 Really odd thing about the Gannon website was him wearing military dog tags in all his pics. He had several pics of himself naked in different poses and the dog tags around his neck. Gannon/Guckert never served a day in his life in the military, but he fooled his clients into thinking he did. He had several endorsement letters on his site from military officers who said they enjoyed being dominated by him. The Democrats in Congress should have investigated Gannon's association with Bush, but they were afraid to have it come out that George might give BJs to guys, so not Gannon doing Bush like Monica. Really odd thing about the Gannon website was him wearing military dog tags in all his pics. He had several pics of himself naked in different poses and the dog tags around his neck. Gannon/Guckert never served a day in his life in the military, but he fooled his clients into thinking he did. He had several endorsement letters on his site from military officers who said they enjoyed being dominated by him.

The Democrats in Congress should have investigated Gannon’s association with Bush, but they were afraid to have it come out that George might give BJs to guys, so not Gannon doing Bush like Monica.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887921 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:37:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887921 If he did Bush, then that means George is a fem BOTTOM who wants to be dominated > lol. Comment by Jay Randal Ewwwww... thanks alot, Jay. Eight years of therapy down the drain! If he did Bush, then that means George is a fem BOTTOM who wants to be dominated > lol.

Comment by Jay Randal

Ewwwww… thanks alot, Jay. Eight years of therapy down the drain!

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887919 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:35:17 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887919 I am a Simpsons virgin. :-D Comment by Zooey Oooohhh, a SIMPSON's virgin... well, that's what I thought you meant (nervous pause...). I mean, what else could we have been talking about? Does Jane whack your head with the rolling pin, too? Naaah... I duck too fast!!! Badda-bing!! Thank you... thank you... you've been a wonderful audience. I am a Simpsons virgin. :-D

Comment by Zooey

Oooohhh, a SIMPSON’s virgin… well, that’s what I thought you meant (nervous pause…). I mean, what else could we have been talking about?

Does Jane whack your head with the rolling pin, too?

Naaah…

I duck too fast!!! Badda-bing!! Thank you… thank you… you’ve been a wonderful audience.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887918 Jay Randal Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:35:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887918 I did see Gannon's escort website before it was taken off the Net, and he said he is a TOP only, does not kiss clients on the lips, and likes to dominate other guys. He also had a bunch of pics of himself nude pissing, so his clients liked to be "Golden Showered" by him. If he did Bush, then that means George is a fem BOTTOM who wants to be dominated > lol. I did see Gannon’s escort website before it was taken off the Net, and he said he is a TOP only, does not kiss clients on the lips, and likes to dominate other guys. He also had a bunch of pics of himself nude pissing, so his clients liked to be “Golden Showered” by him. If he did Bush, then that means George is a fem BOTTOM who wants to be dominated > lol.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887900 Zooey Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:26:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887900 <em>Well, not that I would ever doubt your word… (nervously glancing about for rolling pin swinging thru the air…) Comment by The Republic of Stupidity</em> Good, because I'm honest at all times. I am a Simpsons virgin. :-D Does Jane whack your head with the rolling pin, too? Well, not that I would ever doubt your word…
(nervously glancing about for rolling pin swinging thru the air…)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

Good, because I’m honest at all times. I am a Simpsons virgin. :-D

Does Jane whack your head with the rolling pin, too?

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-3887895 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:23:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887895 Most of the GOPers in the Congress are closeted hypocrites who hire male escorts for sex, so the phobia in the military against Gays is ridiculous. Comment by Jay Randal We never did find out who Jeff Gannon visited approximately 200 times in the WHOTUS, did we? Most of the GOPers in the Congress are closeted hypocrites who hire male escorts for sex, so the phobia in the military against Gays is ridiculous.

Comment by Jay Randal

We never did find out who Jeff Gannon visited approximately 200 times in the WHOTUS, did we?

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/comment-page-3/#comment-3887892 Jay Randal Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:20:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/26/pentagon-gays-military/#comment-3887892 Most of the GOPers in the Congress are closeted hypocrites who hire male escorts for sex, so the phobia in the military against Gays is ridiculous. Most of the GOPers in the Congress are closeted hypocrites who hire male escorts for sex, so the phobia in the military against Gays is ridiculous.

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