Waxman Reveals Numerous New Security Violations, Threatens Subpoenas
Waxman Reveals Numerous New Security Violations, Threatens Subpoenas
House oversight chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) has revealed new evidence “that both the White House and the Office of the Vice President have flaunted multiple requirements for protecting classified information,” beyond the violation of the executive order reported earlier this week.
Last Friday, White House spokesperson Dana Perino stated that the “president and the vice president are complying with all the rules and regulations regarding the handling of classified material.” This is false. As Waxman makes clear in today’s letter to White House Counsel Fred Fielding, the Bush administration has repeatedly broken its own guidelines for securing classified information:
White House security officers blocked from inspecting the West Wing. The National Archives is not the only agency ensuring that White House officials comply with the requirements for protecting classified information. The White House Security Office (WHSO) also shares this responsibility. Waxman reports today that WHSO employees “have been blocked from conducting inspections in the West Wing of the White House, where most of the President’s most senior advisors work.”
Karl Rove has had his security clearance renewed. Karl Rove has admitted that he publicly disclosed Valerie Plame’s status as a CIA officer. Under guidelines issued by President Bush in 2005, the “deliberate or negligent disclosure” of classified information can be a “disqualifying” condition to receive security clearance. Yet Waxman reports that Rove has had his security clearance renewed “and not altered in any respect.”
White House ignored security breaches, condoned mismanagement. Management at White House Security Office has been unwilling to “take actions that could embarrass White House officials,” a practice “condoned” by the White House, Waxman writes. For example, the office repeatedly ignored security breaches that were reported by the Secret Service or CIA agents, such as when a “White House official left classified materials unattended in a hotel room.” As a result, there was “plummeting morale among White House security officers,” half of whom quit last year.
Since April, Waxman has tried unsuccessfully to arrange interviews with White House officials overseeing security matters. Unless those interviews are granted, Waxman says, he will bring a motion to subpoena the officials on June 28.
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Threatening subpeonas is worthless, issuing subpeonas, and sending in the capitol police is another story.
Great picture of Cheney by the way
June 26th, 2007 at 12:57 pmImpeachment seems in order. But, nooooooo; Pelosi says its off the table. What a whoooose she has become. I’m ashamed of her governance as Speaker.
June 26th, 2007 at 12:58 pmIf dick is no longer ‘part of the Executive Branch’…
Does that not also mean…
Executive Privlage no longer applies to him…?
Just thought someone should ask….
June 26th, 2007 at 12:59 pmWhen are we going to impeach these people? I don’t care what the politicians tell us - it’s impossible, it’s too difficult, there’s no reason, it won’t happen, and blah blah blah blah blah.
Impeachment is the right thing and the necessary thing to do no matter what the politicians that are protecting bush and cheney tell us.
It’s about restoring the Constitution and the rule of law…
Some further reading:
June 26th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“Clarification of the Uses of Impeachment”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ clarification_of_the_uses_of_impeachment
Stop pussyfooting around with Fielding. Everyone knows he was put in there to stonewall indefinitely. Issue the subpoenas and get on with the inevitable constitutional showdown on this bunch of crooks.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:00 pmI don’t care if the votes are not there to impeach, just some goddamn backbone for once and put this thing on the floor. Show the rest of the world we have laws, we stand for something other than corporate allegiance.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:00 pmI’m increasingly of the opinion that the White House exists in a separate, parallel universe with a vastly different reality from our own, and that they are only connected to our reality through a freak wormhole in the space-time continuum.
This would certainly explain how Dick Cheney is not technically part of the Executive Branch.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWaxman ….
That bloodhound has caught the scent of this administration’s transgressions ….
and there’s no stopping that bloodhound.
Persistence and determination …. keep your eyes on the prize.
Keep the momentum - build the inertia.
Dismantle this illegal, unethical, and un-American regime dubbed the Bush Presidency.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:02 pm#4 We have seen a great deal of nitpicking as to what constitutes a high crime and misdemeanor, but it is obvious from the context that one of the greatest high crimes and misdemeanors is a breach of public trust. This from Article II Section 4.
stopthecons- I think that line says it all.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:06 pmWhy no mention of the unsecured Ashcroft hospital room in which administration officials discussed a classified program in front of Ashcroft’s wife?
June 26th, 2007 at 1:06 pmCan we now friggin’ impeach???
June 26th, 2007 at 1:06 pmYou are failing to phrase the issue in the right terms. This is a matter of why the President fails to protect the security of the United States. Each item should start with how it diminishes the security of this nation’s secrets. “A high ranking official left top secret documents unattended in a hotel room. Several top staff members disclosed Plame’s identity which not only compromised her usefulness, but also exposed all of those working for the front company that provided her NOC identity.” Then get to the procedural items.
Why do we see security lapses endangering national security?
1. The president would rather condone security lapses than be embarrassed by an aide being disciplined.
2. The president has used classification as a means to hide embarrassing information rather than protect secrets. It is no surprise that the presidential staff adopts a cavalier attitude towards security.
3. The president does not want to be accountable thus he will not permit logical audits for security resulting in poor security of our nation’s secrets.
We fail to take the offensive on this matter. Accuse the President of endangering this country. He is. Then talk about the minutiae.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:07 pmOK, this is starting to look like insanity. As soon as I post in one thread about our current dicktatorship, TP posts another article with a new outrage.
They’re coming too thick and fast for me! Can’t……keep……up…….
June 26th, 2007 at 1:08 pmMaybe Cheney was caught stuffing classified national archive documents into his socks and stashing them at a construction site. Then again he might be keeping secret papers in William Jefferson’s(D) freezer. One never knows.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:09 pmCan we now friggin’ impeach???
Comment by DRxJ — June 26, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
No - you can only impeach members of the Executive Branch. Members of the Freak Wormhole branch are exempt from impeachment.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:10 pmOh hell, let’s do a ‘two for one’, Bush and Chaney, add Karl Rove, then top with Scooter Libby. A nice foursome at a federal prison. “Hey, Dubya, meet Bubba!
June 26th, 2007 at 1:15 pmWaxman > stop threatening and just do it immediately.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:16 pmI wonder how the Chinese got our nuclear secrets. The Republicans in the 1990s did a piss poor job of oversight.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:16 pmBut Cheney (and for all we know Bush, too) is not in the Executive Branch (or the legislative, or the judicial). How can them impeach them if they don’t actually exist?
Is this what they mean by Shadow Government?
June 26th, 2007 at 1:16 pmWaxman Threatens Subpoenas?
Subpoena threats? Forget that crap! Dump a wall of subpoenas on Cheney! Cheney wasn’t gentle when he “dump” on the American People, eh? Force, direct and naked, is the only language that a stinking neo conservative understands, especially on as Dick Cheney.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:21 pmFirst Communision, then Fascism and now, in the 21st century, Cheneyism…
June 26th, 2007 at 1:28 pmHouse Dems need to replace Pelosi with a Speaker who takes their oath of office seriously, and puts impeachment “back on the table”.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:29 pmIMHO
LOL!!! “threatens”
Democrats are getting on my nerves with their “threatening”…why dont they just do and get it over with
June 26th, 2007 at 1:33 pmWhen Cheney’s black heart gives out someday, then will anyone mourn his passing away?
June 26th, 2007 at 1:33 pmWhy does Dick Cheney hate national security so much?
June 26th, 2007 at 1:35 pmStop pussyfooting around with Fielding. Everyone knows he was put in there to stonewall indefinitely. Issue the subpoenas and get on with the inevitable constitutional showdown on this bunch of crooks.
Comment by Toss these losers
Perfectly stated. lets get this party started RIGHT NOW! No talk - just action, each and every day. Our poor country has taken enough of a beating, it’s time to pull the plug on this administration.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:35 pmThese ongoing investigations will finally come to a determination and statement of findings around December of 08.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:38 pmHeckuva job Congress!
Impeach the bastards!
this is false because one Democratic, hater of President Bush and Cheney says so? you have to be kidding, right TP? you don’t expect that the easily fooled moonbats of the left will fall for this type of tactic, do you?
and classified information being mishandled? do you not see the huge hypocrisy on this made up non-scandal?
The left loves giving up State secrets, they love it. Look how the left wing New York Times, Washington Post love reporting on Top Secret programs used by the government to protect us.
or look how Sandy Berger stole Top Secret documents from the National Archieve and there was no outrage from the left.
Please left wing moonbats, you are only fooling yourselves. As usual the hate Cheney idiots are falling all over their feet to make a story out of something the left has never considered important.
If you are outraged by what Cheney haters claim he did, you should have been outraged at what the New York Times did, Washington Post, Sandy Berger, leaky Leahy, leaky DICK Durbin and all the Democrats who have no problem leaking top secret information to the media and the public.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:38 pmMy heart goes out to this blackhearted bastard’s grandchild.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:39 pmHow in the hell is she ever going to lead a normal life?
leftcoast: “Impeachment seems in order. But, nooooooo; Pelosi says its off the table. What a whoooose she has become. I’m ashamed of her governance as Speaker.”
All this post proves, once again, is that we haven’t been teaching Civics in highschool. If impeachment is impossible, and it is, why waste your time on persuing it when you could be doing what Waxman and a number of other Democrats are doing - exposing the missdeeds of the administration. Since they’ve taken over committees, we’ve found out lots of things we wouldn’t have known if Repubs maintained control. How many Bush administration personnel have resigned since Dems took congress?
As in the case of Nixon, impeachment will go nowhere without some Repub support. So far, in the face of overwhelming evidence of constitutional crimes, they will not support impeachment. That’s why persuing it is a waste of valuable time.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:40 pmLooks like the rightards are worried. They know this type of thing will resonate with the American public, and are worried thier cult leaders will end up in prison. I wonder just how much longer Bush and Cheney will go? as I said in my first post, threats don’t mean jack. better to impeach, and convict and throw in jail.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:41 pmMy heart goes out to this blackhearted bastard’s grandchild.
How in the hell is she ever going to lead a normal life?
Comment by RUCerious — June 26, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
ah, Liberal “compassion”, so sweet, so nice, so hypocritical.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:41 pmEGAD, Mr. Waxman. It’s FLOUT, not FLAUNT. Somebody tell him.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:42 pmAs in the case of Nixon, impeachment will go nowhere without some Repub support. So far, in the face of overwhelming evidence of constitutional crimes, they will not support impeachment. That’s why persuing it is a waste of valuable time.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 26, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! in the face of overwhelming evidence of constitutional crimes?!!! BWHAHAHAHAAHAHA
only the left wing moonbats would spew such lines.
I laugh at the idiocy of libtards.
guys, keep on posting your pathetic nonsense, I love having a good laugh at the expense of libtards.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:43 pmConservatron:
spoken like a True Believer, one whose belief in robotically following the talking points handed out by BushCO is reflected in the proud choice of screen name.
Brings a tear to the eye.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:46 pmguys, keep on posting your pathetic nonsense…
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Um - the only one spewing nonsense in this thread is you, everyone else here is talking about the subject at hand, while you saying absolutely nothing.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:46 pmAs usual the hate Cheney idiots are falling all over their feet to make a story out of something the left has never considered important.
Since when is violating the constitution not important to any American.
Give me a break and take your politics elsewhere. You must love the politicization of Justice, outing a covert CIA agent, the takeover of all protective agencies, the subersion of the constitution because those are all non-issues, too, right?
You’re an idiot. Stop listening to Fox “News” as they are warping your fragile little mind. And please don’t forget to remind me of all their talking points like Plame wasn’t covert. Your ignorance will really show then.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:46 pmThe Bush and Cheney apologists continue to bring up vague distortions and unproven allegations. This much we know for a fact:
FITZGERALD (5/25/07): “[I]t was clear from very early in the investigation that Ms. Wilson qualified under the relevant statute (Title 50, United States Code, Section 421) as a covert agent whose identity had been disclosed by public officials, including Mr. Libby, to the press.”
Cheney outed a covert CIA agent. When the facts surrounding this case are revealed, it will be shown that this political act actually resulted in associates of Brewster Jennings and Assoc. being murdered. Cheney is guilty of treason and should spend the rest of his life in prison.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pmOnce again, the trolls are whining “B-b-b-but Clinton did it too”
Tell that to the judge and see where it gets you.
Stupid Repuke trolls.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:48 pm“As in the case of Nixon, impeachment will go nowhere without some Repub support. So far, in the face of overwhelming evidence of constitutional crimes, they will not support impeachment. That’s why persuing it is a waste of valuable time.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 26, 2007 @ 1:40 pm”
That is true. However, when the information starts pouring out about all the crimes that this administration did, and the Republicans did NOTHING to stop it then they will find their support dwindling…….
Then they WILL have to get behind Impeachment or become like the Dinosaurs…
It was when there was irrefutable evidence against Nixon that they realized they had no choice….. The same thing here….
We already have ENOUGH information to put these criminals in jail for life, if not have them executed.
Deep down, I believe MOST all Americans put country before party but it takes a large shock of reality for them to remember we are Americans before we are R’s or D’s…..
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June 26th, 2007 at 1:51 pmAs usual the hate Cheney idiots are falling all over their feet to make a story out of something the left has never considered important.
Since when is violating the constitution not important to any American.
Give me a break and take your politics elsewhere. You must love the politicization of Justice, outing a covert CIA agent, the takeover of all protective agencies, the subersion of the constitution because those are all non-issues, too, right?
You’re an idiot. Stop listening to Fox “News†as they are warping your fragile little mind. And please don’t forget to remind me of all their talking points like Plame wasn’t covert. Your ignorance will really show then.
Comment by MsJoanne — June 26, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Well, where to start with an idiot like Ms.Joanne.
1) Good job in stereotyping me. Idiot. I watch, Foxnews, as well as MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC. Etc. You moron.
2)And who is claiming that he violated the Constitution? Haters of Dick Cheney and President Bush, who are not interested in the USA, but rather in weaking Cheney and Bush. These Cheney and Bush haters don’t care if they are right or wrong, all they care about is weaking the Executive Branch.
3)You didn’t answer anything that I said on my post, like a good walk in lock-step Liberal, you attacked me. Typical. Why don’t you try addressing the points brought up by me.
1-Sandy Berger stole top secret documents from the National Archieve. No one on the left cared. Where is the Congressional investigation into this? where? Democrats have blocked any Congressional investigation into this, why? If they are truly interested in national security, why block an investigation into what Sandy Berger did?
2-If Democrats are so interested in how top secret documents are handled and who they are given to, why not also carry a Congressional investigation to find out how the New York times, the washington post etc get top secret information from democratic informants? why? hmmmm…
please, this is a partisan witch hunt. Only the blind left wing moonbats don’t see this for what it is.
I am glad that you like a good puppet allow the left wing to pull your strings.
how sad for you.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:52 pmRepukes will never Chimpeach.
Repukes put party before country.
Repukes are TRAITORS.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:53 pmConservatron: “only the left wing moonbats would spew such lines.”
Former Republican Whitehouse Counsel for Nixon, John Dean wrote a book called “Worse the Watergate” which was published in 2004. Since then, he’s documented even more constitutional crimes and I doubt that any sane person would refer to John Dean as a “left wing moonbat.”
June 26th, 2007 at 1:53 pmLove that the best they can do, doesn’t defend Cheney, or Bush, or describe in anyway how what they are doing is legal. They merely bring up all sorts of supposed terrible security breaches that Clinton et al were responsible for. Time for new talking points those have grown stale.
Of course the hypocrisy question cuts both ways, if you were so outraged over berger, and all those things, are you ready to bring a pitchfork to the white house? or do you prefer not to question the dear decider?
June 26th, 2007 at 1:54 pmBring on the independent counsel and hire the special prosecutor. An investigation would bring to light so many offenses, there wouldn’t be room “on the table” for anything BUT impeachment.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:54 pmConservatron = President Clinton = valiantthehater
**yawn**
June 26th, 2007 at 1:54 pm“As in the case of Nixon, impeachment will go nowhere without some Repub support. So far, in the face of overwhelming evidence of constitutional crimes, they will not support impeachment. That’s why persuing it is a waste of valuable time.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 26, 2007 @ 1:40 pmâ€
That is true. However, when the information starts pouring out about all the crimes that this administration did, and the Republicans did NOTHING to stop it then they will find their support dwindling…….
Then they WILL have to get behind Impeachment or become like the Dinosaurs…
It was when there was irrefutable evidence against Nixon that they realized they had no choice….. The same thing here….
We already have ENOUGH information to put these criminals in jail for life, if not have them executed.
Deep down, I believe MOST all Americans put country before party but it takes a large shock of reality for them to remember we are Americans before we are R’s or D’s…..
Comment by RemoveBush — June 26, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! hey why don’t you do this. If you are so right, why don’t you go and try a citizen’s arrest on Bush and Cheney.
If you are right, Congress should back you up, right? go for it my left wing moonbat.
Let me know how it goes, ok?
hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
June 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe Republicans have written themselves a chapter in history at once dark and hilarious.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmRove admitted he compromised security.
He should lose his security clearance IMMEDIATELY.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pm1) Good job in stereotyping me. Idiot. I watch, Foxnews, as well as MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC. Etc. You moron.
Same difference, f*ckhead. That proved your ignorance.
And I don’t have to prove anything to anyone…Bush/Cheney are doing a fine job of it right now.
Watch and cringe, my friend. Their comeuppance is upon us. And I, for one, am cheering it along. I just hope it’s not too late to right this country from all the wrongs they’ve inflicted upon us.
Now go out and play like a good little troll.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:56 pmRove admitted he compromised security.
He should lose his security clearance IMMEDIATELY.
Comment by Tom3
I thought he had lost his security clearance! Obviously they gave it back to him.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:57 pmNo “threats”. ACTION.
June 26th, 2007 at 1:57 pmOf course the hypocrisy question cuts both ways, if you were so outraged over berger, and all those things, are you ready to bring a pitchfork to the white house? or do you prefer not to question the dear decider?
Comment by Krazny — June 26, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Krazy, I mean Krazny, of course i would. But why the f#$ck would I believe a partisan hack like Waxman who has hated Bush and Cheney since forever.
Why even investigate anything when it is partisan hacks that are making these alligations?
If Cheney broke security, yes, it should be investigated.
the point is that the same idiots that today are crying about how top secret documents have been handled by the VP office are the same ones that gave a pass to Berger, the same ones that gave a pass to all the White House security breaches during the Clinton administration.
It is not about…Clinton did it too, so Bush and Cheney can do it, but rather, Clinton did it and the left wing didn’t care, Bush or Cheney allegedly do the same thing and all those that didn’t condemn Clinton and claim it was not important back then are not make hell about it.
GET IT?
you moonbats can’t be this slow, can you?
June 26th, 2007 at 1:59 pmR O V E
T H E
T E R R O R I S T
Despite his prior illegal actions, Karl Rove still retains his security clearance, and knew for WEEKS prior to London’s latest fake terror alert what was coming. The odds that Rove himself advised London precisely what time to make this announcement are approximately 100%.
This gave Rove the time necessary to plan a full frontal assault on the minds of the American People.
Bill O’Reilly revealed Classified information in his recent live interview with Mossad Agent Michael Chertoff. While Chertoff wouldn’t confirm or deny it, O’Reilly revealed that the FISA PROCESS was utilized to obtain warrants prior to placing wiretaps on some suspects in the US. While none of the suspects in the US was deemed to have been involved, this example was clear proof that the FISA Court WORKS – to the chagrin of Gonzales.
http://progressivedailybeacon.com/ more.php?page=opinion&id=1235
Neo-Con Madmen Strike Again - The London Fear Frenzy
Well before Wednesday the administration was aware of Britain’s plans to launch a raid against a possible terror plot.
With the knowledge of a terror-scare coming soon, all day Wednesday the entire Neo-Conservative Republican political apparatus had been busy assailing their political enemy’s supposed unwillingness to fight terrorism. On Thursday the Neo-Con assault intensified and finally peaked when news of the British scheme was made public. Then, in the most vile and unbecoming manner possible, Republicans accused Democrats of having forgotten the attacks of 9/11. Some Republicans were even gleeful enough to remind reporters that with the anniversary of 9/11 fast approaching their attack on Democrats, coupled with the London conspiracy would do wonders for their lagging poll numbers:
“Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big,” one White House official said.
P L A Y
B I G ? ? ?
T E R R O R
I S
A
G A M E ? ? ?
For Karl Rove, terror is THE GAME.
The timing of the release of this information was not coincidental. Let’s take a look at how many other circumstances coincided with this fake terror scare…
Lieberman was not the Democratic Party candidate - he was quite literally the Israeli candidate.
AIPAC lost to Lamont, cracking the door open for an anti-AIPAC rebellion at the polls.
Less than 36 hours later…
“TERROR IN THE SKIES” was the headline on all news programming in the United States - and CNN would have you believe that the entire world changed that day (again).
The world didn’t change - but CNN’s fear-mongering role in it on behalf of Israel has been clearly exposed.
All of the President’s NeoCons have made it known since Lieberman’s loss to Lamont, just how important Lieberman has been to their agenda - the Zionist Agenda.
They knew that Lieberman would lose, and Rove planned a full frontal attack for the aftermath – which by necessity always leads with a terror scare. Rove even called Lieberman directly to offer his help.
As part of the game – a CNN talking head asks the question…
“Lamont is the Al Qaeda Candidate???”
KARL ROVE WROTE THAT TALKING POINT.
CNN READ IT ON AIR.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:01 pm1) Good job in stereotyping me. Idiot. I watch, Foxnews, as well as MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC. Etc. You moron.
Same difference, f*ckhead. That proved your ignorance.
And I don’t have to prove anything to anyone…Bush/Cheney are doing a fine job of it right now.
Watch and cringe, my friend. Their comeuppance is upon us. And I, for one, am cheering it along. I just hope it’s not too late to right this country from all the wrongs they’ve inflicted upon us.
Now go out and play like a good little troll.
Comment by MsJoanne — June 26, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
watch and cringe? no retard, you watch and cringe and see how nothing happens to Cheney or Bush because nothign wrong has been done.
if you haven’t noticed, no one in America besides you, the moon left wingers, the puppets of the extreme left wing care about this made up issue.
You left wing moonbats are desperate for a Clinton like, or Nixon like scandal….and guess what….keep on waiting becausee my left wing moonbat is not going to come.
now keep on letting the left wing politicians and pundits pull your string my little retard, deal?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:01 pmLOL I like the allegedly, you didn’t wait for evidence when it involved a democrat. Now all of a sudden it requires all sorts of proof first. Hehe you are a silly little man, and I am sorr your only joy in life, is the absurd idea, that you bother me.
So tell me how is it that Cheney is not part of the executive branch?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:02 pmDon’t threaten, just DO IT! We know they are criminals, you know they are criminals, so what’s the hold up…oh, politics….my bad, what channel is Paris on again?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:02 pmOh, my bad again….all of them.
Everyone should JUST IGNORE the IDIOT Conservatron.
Why waste oxygen on something that is to stupid and ignorant to carry on a conversation with.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:03 pmComment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Get a life. Berger was convicted for his breach. I never voted for Dubya or Clinton, either time. You break the law, you don’t re-write history to justify your thugs. Go straight to h*ll. You guys are nothing but accomplices to thugs in a crime family and you are too ignorant to see out of the hole you are in.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:04 pmConservatron=President Clinton=valiantthehater
same mindless vitriole
June 26th, 2007 at 2:04 pmwell, it is always good to come in here, read the retarded commenst of the left wing puppets and have a good laugh at their expense.
thank you left wing moonbats.
you are all quite entertaining.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:04 pmConservatron: “Why even investigate anything when it is partisan hacks that are making these alligations?”
I assume you felt the same way when Repubs were spending taxpayer money investigating the Clintons’ Christmas card list.
Conservatron: “It is not about…Clinton did it too, so Bush and Cheney can do it, but rather, Clinton did it and the left wing didn’t care…”
Can you tell us anything Clinton actually did wrong which was proven and not simply allegation? And, of course I mean anything OTHER THAN lying about a personal affair.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:06 pmConservatron, I notice that you pretended not to notice my remark about John Dean. As a Republican former chief Counsel for Nixon, I assume you would agree that he’s not a “left-wing moonbat.”
June 26th, 2007 at 2:08 pm#42 - “please, this is a partisan witch hunt.”
We already know the inpeachment of Pres. Clinton was nothing BUT a partisan witch hunt!
We’re talking about the crimes of the Bush Administration and VPres. Cheney, now! Nothing but crimes, and nothing but calumny coming out of the Bush Administration as they pathetically spin in an attempt to keep from being held accountable.
Sad little conserva-tards have nothing to cling to except “We didn’ do nothin’ at all! How can we be responsible for nuttin’?!?!?!?”
June 26th, 2007 at 2:09 pmLOL I like the allegedly, you didn’t wait for evidence when it involved a democrat. Now all of a sudden it requires all sorts of proof first. Hehe you are a silly little man, and I am sorr your only joy in life, is the absurd idea, that you bother me.
So tell me how is it that Cheney is not part of the executive branch?
Comment by Krazny — June 26, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Krazy, I mean Krazny, I didn’t wait for evidence to convict a Democrat? really? how the f#$ck do you know this, retard? please do tell!
It is the Liberal moonbats that love convicting Republicans and Conservatives when there is no evidence and even if there is evidence that proves the Liberal moonbats wrong, you retards still want to convict and punish Republicans and Conservatives.
Look at the left wing imbecile that is still claiming that it was Cheney who “outed” Valarie Plame, when Richard Armitage came out and admitted it was him who did it.
by the way, interesting that Fitzgerals didn’t do anything to Armitage and that the Democrats don’t care it was Armitage who did it, right? you think politics playing a part in this? oh of course not, right? Democrats are not partisan hacks.
you stupid moron.
I give the benefit of the doubt to everyone regardless of party affiliation. But nice try in telling me what I do or don’t do. Typical Liberal moron.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:09 pmCol. Jack, don’t you know that a blow job is by far and away worse than treason?
Remember the GOP creed: Sex is bad. Greed is good! ‘Nuff said. ;-)
June 26th, 2007 at 2:12 pmSome exceptionally stupid trolls today…tards.
IGNORE THE TROLLS - Debate good, Conservatron just dumb as a sh!t sandwich
June 26th, 2007 at 2:13 pmConservatron: “Why even investigate anything when it is partisan hacks that are making these alligations?â€
I assume you felt the same way when Repubs were spending taxpayer money investigating the Clintons’ Christmas card list.
Conservatron: “It is not about…Clinton did it too, so Bush and Cheney can do it, but rather, Clinton did it and the left wing didn’t care…â€
Can you tell us anything Clinton actually did wrong which was proven and not simply allegation? And, of course I mean anything OTHER THAN lying about a personal affair.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 26, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
1)Clinton went to war against Serbia after the UN said it would be illegal to attack Serbia without UN approval. UN approval never came, Clinton still lead NATO into Serbia. The left, the media and European nations applauded his so called leadership in doing the right thing even though the UN said no. (sound familiar, idiot) Bush goes against the UN vote, just like Clinton did and the media and the left go crazy and claim Bush doesn’t care about international law.
2)Clinton not only lied about having sex while tax payers were paying his salary and while he used the Oval Office, but he also committed obstruction of justice by prepping Monica Lewnsky and telling her what to say when she got ont the stand. If you think Libby did wrong, I am sure you believe Clinton did equally wrong, right?
3)I gave Clinton the benefit of the doubt about his perjury and obstruction, but when it came to light that he had actually done it, I agreed he had done wrong. But if Libby is going to jail for these same crimes, why not Clinton? care to explain?
this is just for starters, my intellectually dishonest fool.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:13 pm“Look at the left wing imbecile that is still claiming that it was Cheney who “outed†Valarie Plame, when Richard Armitage came out and admitted it was him who did it.
by the way, interesting that Fitzgerals didn’t do anything to Armitage and that the Democrats don’t care it was Armitage who did it, right? you think politics playing a part in this? oh of course not, right? Democrats are not partisan hacks.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 2:09 pm”
YOUR AN IDIOT!!!!!
Armitage had AMUNITY, and would not say a word before he got it….. He said this so that the HEAT would be taken away from the administration so that IDIOTS like YOU would say: “Richard Armitage came out and admitted it was him who did it.”
The right simply has no, zero, ziltch, nada, niet of any kind of thinking ability… You are just puppets of the party….. I feel so sorry for your lack of thinking ability……
On the brighter note….. I have this shinny new quarter that I will sell you for 1 MILLION Dollars……
June 26th, 2007 at 2:14 pmConservatron, in your household, do ad hominem attacks constitute a good argument? Ad hominem arguments are usually resorted to when a person doesn’t have a cogent argument. The reason Fitzgerald couldn’t get to Cheney is that Libby obstructed justice. That much is documented. What is it about Libby’s obstruction of justice that you don’t understand?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:15 pmyou stupid moron.
I give the benefit of the doubt to everyone regardless of party affiliation. But nice try in telling me what I do or don’t do. Typical Liberal moron.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Krazy, I mean Krazny, I didn’t wait for evidence to convict a Democrat? really? how the f#$ck do you know this, retard? please do tell!
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well, it is always good to come in here, read the retarded commenst of the left wing puppets and have a good laugh at their expense.
thank you left wing moonbats.
you are all quite entertaining.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
If you have to wonder why the republican party is losing, all you have to do is read the hate filled comments of its bottom 30%. Thanks for backing up your argument with logic and facts there.
On topic, I don’t think threats will go anywhere as long as Cheney is running around as a free man. A few subpeonas, some investigation would go along way in getting a clean sweep of what our government is up too.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:15 pmCan we please ignore the halfwit who calls himself Conservatron/President Clinton/valiantthehater?
He has nothing to offer but inane and idiotic ramblings.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:17 pmAs usual, the “conservative” trolls cannot respond on point, so instead try to derail the discussion with thoroughly-discredited nonsense.
None of them, you notice, have been able to explain exactly why this Vice President can legitimately claim to be in the Executive branch when it suits him and in the Legislative branch when he wants to avoid accountability as a member of the Executive branch.
They can’t explain it, because it’s ludicrous, so they spend their time crying “look over there!” or writing dribble about how much smarter they are than crazy liberals.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pmCol. Jack, don’t you know that a blow job is by far and away worse than treason?
Remember the GOP creed: Sex is bad. Greed is good! ‘Nuff said. ;-)
Comment by MsJoanne — June 26, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
Typical Libtard….it wasn’t the blow job, you retard, it was…
1)Getting a blow job during the time he should have been working.
why don’t you go give a blow job during work hours, get caught and then tell me if you keep your job, Libtard.
2)He was beeing paid by tax payers money and when he decided to have an affair.
3)He had an affair with his subordinate. Tell me, in any other job, if you have an affair with your subordinate, what happens? YOU ARE FIRED!
4)He lied under oath, perjury.
5)He instructed Monica Lewnsky how to answer questions. Obstruction of Justice.
the latter too is what Libby was convicted for and the left have asked for the maximum penalty, why didn’t you hypocrites ask for the same when Clinton did it?
and there is plenty more.
Barack Obama did cocaine and yet look how popular he is amongst the left. Bush allegedly did cocaine and the left claim that we should not have a President that did cocaine.
kerry, edwards, obama, clinton, and plenty of other Democrats are constantly giving political speeches and carrying out political acitivities in churches and the left wing in America doesn’t cry Seperation of Church and State.
If a Republican dare to the same thing or talk about God during a political speech the left goes crazy.
You Libtards can’t be so retarded not to see your own hypocrisy, right?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pmCorrection on my part:
Waxman Threatens Subpoenas?
Subpoena threats? Forget that crap! Dump a wall of subpoenas on Cheney! Cheney wasn’t gentle when he “dump†on the American People, eh? Force, direct and naked, is the only language that a stinking neo conservative understands, especially ONE as Dick Cheney.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pmSince the votes aren’t there to actually impeach, I like the approach they are taking.
Once the extent of the lies, deceit, dishonesty, and god only knows how many treasonous acts have been exposed, they will have enough votes to impeach.
And the GOP is done for, at least the neocon slice of it. America is finally waking up that the rubber stampers did so much harm to this country even they can’t dispute it…well, all except those who lack the ability to critically think, which looks to be around 25%. But I suppose there is always going to be ignorance in any populace.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:19 pmCan we please ignore the halfwit who calls himself Conservatron/President Clinton/valiantthehater?
He has nothing to offer but inane and idiotic ramblings.
Comment by Zooey — June 26, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
this of course coming from a murderer. Nice Zooey the murderer.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:19 pmZooey, you killed someone? Was it an ax or a box of serial? Just curious.
/snark
June 26th, 2007 at 2:21 pmBarack Obama did cocaine and yet look how popular he is amongst the left. Bush allegedly did cocaine and the left claim that we should not have a President that did cocaine.
kerry, edwards, obama, clinton, and plenty of other Democrats are constantly giving political speeches and carrying out political acitivities in churches and the left wing in America doesn’t cry Seperation of Church and State.
If a Republican dare to the same thing or talk about God during a political speech the left goes crazy.
You Libtards can’t be so retarded not to see your own hypocrisy, right?
This is much to easy, Obama did cocaine, admits he did it, and doesn’t try to act any different. Bush denies it, and lies about.
As for speech’s in churchs last I checked none of the people you mentioned above are aligned with groups looking to establish a christian theocracy in this country. the same cannot be said for the repblicans.
anything to say on topic? or just more of you mad rantings?
June 26th, 2007 at 2:21 pmkraz,
June 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pmWhen has a troll EVER had anything worthwhile, much less ON TOPIC to say?
“Like water on a ducks back, the trolls comments roll off my back without me ever noticing.”
Their shallow-mindedness is STAGGERING, to say the least.
Cheney being yanked out of his Executive Branch office in handcuffs is long overdue.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pm#74 - “You Libtards can’t be so retarded not to see your own hypocrisy, right?” Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Wow! And here I thought that right-tards didn’t understand the definition of ‘irony’!
Oh, well! I guess Conservatron is good for a few laughs at his (her?) inability to use his brain for anything more than to keep his head from caving in. . . .
June 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pmZooey, you killed someone? Was it an ax or a box of serial? Just curious.
/snark
Comment by MsJoanne — June 26, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Yeah, I’ve got trolls stacked up like cord wood at the far end of my property. Why do you think “Conservatron” keeps changing his name?
He’s chickenshit scared. :-D
June 26th, 2007 at 2:27 pmJust funning with him NC, I let them think they get under my skin, with their inane comments, and off topic rants, then when they think they have, you pull the rug out from under them. Makes em mad as hell. Not that I need help making them made, the failure of the republican party, and thier dieties (Bush & Cheney) to function is enough.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pmSo after two months of non-cooperation in matters of National Security, the best they can do is write a letter? Oh, now they are threatening the possibility of a subpoena at some point in the future?
Is this some kind of joke? That’ll show ‘em!
June 26th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThe RNC Troll Dept. Announces:
We had plans to implement emergency measures to cope with the temporary loss of RoboTroll 3100, but Conservatron is doing an admirable job parroting our talking points with minimal deviation.
It would be nice if he were better able to clearly articulate a coherent sentence rather than just spewing juvenile insults, but what the heck, look how far we’ve gotten with GWB in office.
I didn’t snicker when I typed that.
I did not.
I was clearing my throat.
Anyway, carry on.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:33 pmOK, I’m finally convinced that it is, indeed, useless to engage this horrible excuse for a citizen who calls himself “conservatron.” He doesn’t even have the facts correct on his precious Clinton impeachment. And, he couldn’t come up with anything other than that sorry affair with which to base his absurd contention that people overlooked Clinton’s “crime.” I’d like to remind everyone that Democrats in congress called for a censure of Clinton over this affair. And, Clinton was never convicted of perjury, because the lie he told was not material to the case being adjudicated.
I think that the rhetoric of people like “conservatron” proves that the right wing is getting hysterical. It’s only a matter of time before they control NO brances of government instead of all of it. The vast majority of Americans support progressive ideas and many Americans are becoming aware of the scam our corporate media has been playing on us. Bottom line: there day is pretty much over.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pmCheney is scared…very scared. It just might cause his mechanical heart to malfunction.
June 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pmAnyway, carry on.
Comment by The RNC Troll Dept
It was a snicker. I heard it. :)
June 26th, 2007 at 2:36 pmconservamoron is still whining about SandyBerger? LOL
June 26th, 2007 at 2:40 pmThese fools are as dumb as rocks. The time to indict all the WH/DOJ criminals has arrived. Indict Bush, Cheney,Rove and Gonzales so our country can start to heal from these nutcases. They are once again breaking the law, they have no right to deny oversight of the EO. PERIOD. This idiot and his sidekick Cheney think they are the “deciders” but they are not, WE ARE.
Oust all these criminals. And take that scumbag EPA idiot liar Witt with you. Her lies caused thousands of people to become ill and many to DIE all because she is a WH suck up. Virtually every agency under Bush is headed by a moronic, incompetent criminal. We need to get rid of them all. Anyone who supports these criminals is a traitor.
Intent
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June 26th, 2007 at 2:44 pmOHHHHH! SUBPOENAS! IM SURE THEY’LL GET THOSE DOC’s RIGHT OVER….. what is this, the 37th request for them? JESUS F*CKING CHRIST!
June 26th, 2007 at 2:47 pm3)You didn’t answer anything that I said on my post, like a good walk in lock-step Liberal, you attacked me. Typical. Why don’t you try addressing the points brought up by me.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
I love how the trolls come on here, call us moonbats, etc. and then accuse us of being the bad guys and attacking them. This is a progressive web site. If you come here spewing right-wing talking points you can expect to have people go after you. Just go back and read your first post on this thread (#28). It’s so obvious you were just looking to provoke us.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThe Dems need to GROW SOME BALLS, I thought Pelosi might bring some but no.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pmHey CT!
How’s everything man!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI have prepared a test for anyone who wants to take it. It will help clear up our current constitutional crisis.
Please visit the following URL
https://www.quizlab.com/ secured/ authenticate_limited.cfm
The user name is 2COOL4SKOOL
The password is LAMEBRAIN
They are not case sensitive.
Once you log in, simply click on “ASSIGNMENTS†to take the quiz.
And remember kids, have fun!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:19 pmUm, that would be “flouted,” not “flaunted,” multiple security requirements.
But your overall point is painfully true. These Thugs put politics over patriotism every time.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:22 pmJust subpoenae already!
Listen to Nike:
JUST DO IT!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmMan @1:09 PM,
June 26th, 2007 at 3:37 pmYour hilarious,did you come up with that ripsnorting ,bellyaching joke all by yourself? If you did Leno,Letterman etc, better hold on tight to their jobs,You’re going to be a force to be reckoned with!
If you need to email Congressman Waxman from CA, here is his web site to do that:
http://www.waxman.house.gov/ htbin/ formproc_za/ waxman/ zip_authen.txt&form=/ waxman/ email.htm
I just sent my letter to him to JUST DO IT!
June 26th, 2007 at 3:40 pmThe Dems need to GROW SOME BALLS, I thought Pelosi might bring some but no.
Comment by sayyawantrevolution — June 26, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
This is exactly the problem with Libtards……they don’t know the anatomical difference between men and women.
sayyawanatrevolution, retard, I mean Libtard, how could Nancy Pelosi bring some balls if the this Libtard is a woman.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!
as always, Libtards are good for one thing, to be laughed at.
thank you Libtards for the entertaiment.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:45 pmThis is exactly the problem with Libtards……they don’t know the anatomical difference between men and women.
Comment by Conservadrone — June 26, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Tell it to Ted Haggard.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:50 pmAnd while you’re at it, tell it to Mark Foley.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:50 pmAnd Jeff Gannon.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:51 pmAnd Ken Mehlman.
June 26th, 2007 at 3:51 pmsayyawanatrevolution, retard, I mean Libtard, how could Nancy Pelosi bring some balls if the this Libtard is a woman.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Ok. This is going to be difficult, but I’ll try.
The term “balls”, is whats known as a metaphor (pronounced:met-a-for). A metaphor is a word or expresion used to define two or more seemingly unrelated subjects.
For example, using the term “balls” is usually a metaphor for “courage” or “determination”.
It is not meant to imply that the person has, or has not testicles.
:|
June 26th, 2007 at 3:58 pm“As a result, there was “plummeting morale among White House security officers,†half of whom quit last year.”
How much you want to bet that Dick Cheney replaced these White House security officers with Blackwater mercenaries?
But with Cheney blocking information about who actually works in his office, no one will probably ever know.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:00 pmyou could use the colbert term and say, I had hoped Pelosi had some thatchers.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmI must admit, I thought I was preprared Krazny when I dumbed my posts down to 4th grade level.
But clearly that is several grades too high.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:28 pmIts like talking to preschoolers.
The Vice President is not a member of the Executive branch.
:|
What the hell are they teaching these knuckleheads at Messiah U?
June 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pmOh come on…Waxman won’t do shit to the White House. Someone is always threatening…then doesn’t follow through.
Bush and Cheney react like spoiled kids with idiots for parents. Parents that always threaten them with punishment…then give them candy. Those 2 know it, congress knows it, America knows it. So they just keep pushing buttons.
I’m sick of Congress, sick of empty threats, sick of what’s become of the Rule of Law and Constitution since those Fascists in the White House took over.
Congress is nothing more than a Bell without it’s clapper….useless, unless you need a paper weight.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pmWe don’t have a government. Its been quietly, albeit publiclly, overthrown.
When White House security officers are not permitted to secure their own white house, then corruption is clear.
It is staring us in the face.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pmCongress is nothing more than a Bell without it’s clapper….useless, unless you need a paper weight.
Comment by PattyMac — June 26, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
Its great to be mad, and congress does suck, but don’t take it out on Waxman. He’s a pitbull, and he’s keeping the ball rolling.
They can only do what they can legally do.
You condemn the president for not following the rules, but it seems like you are demanding congress breaks them to get the president.
Congress doesn’t have a 2 thirds majority in the senate so they can’t impeach. Period. They can’t do anything other than prove corruption so that it is so obvious that the republicans, mostly who are in bed with the white house, might be willing to uphold an impeachment ruling.
They could vote to terminate authority for the war, but unless they defund it, all it will do is make the president guilty of breaking “one more” law.
I am raging at them too. Pelosi has been absolutely SPINELESS. But Waxman is one of the good ones, who is leveraging his office to the best of his legal ability. That should be applauded, and supported. Not demonized.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:40 pmOne good thing appears to be coming out of this. The endless parade of scandal upon scandal if Finally getting some members of Congress’ attention. I hesitate to say it, but Congressional Oversight may be more that just nice sounding words. At least the administration seems more than delighted to give their opponents endless encouragement and ammunition.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:55 pmOne other thing, caption for the picture: “Wahh, Curse You, Batman! How did you uncover my plan?” I know its trite and John Stewart does it so much better, but I could not resist.
June 26th, 2007 at 4:57 pmImpeach President Cheney and his little dummy too!
June 26th, 2007 at 5:36 pmPattymac: “Congress is nothing more than a Bell without it’s clapper….useless, unless you need a paper weight.”
Again, more evidence that not teaching Civics in highschool has ramafications. If you can’t override a veto or a filibuster, you can’t impeach. And, they haven’t exactly been useless. Since they control committees we are learning things we never would have without that majority. What we need is a supermajority and a Democratic president. We get that and we’ll be out of Iraq, we’ll have universal healthcare, new muscle for environmental regulations, recinded tax cuts for the top 2%, a complete reevaluation of NAFTA and CAFTA , support for labor and federal funding for stem cell research. In addition, we’ll have liberal judges on the Supreme court when Ginsberg steps down because of cancer and Stevens steps down because of age. The court will then slip back to a 5-4 liberal majority.
June 26th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 26, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
I completely concur with your posts at #30, #38, #44, #70, #117. Yours is a voice of reason and understanding in a sea of severe frustration, anger and impatience. Reality and pragmatism must override the impatience to do things that not only won’t work at this time but may well backfire if they are attempted. We are dealing with the most vile and corrupt presidency in the history of this country.
That said, it must be remembered that these people have been around for 30-40 years and we, the people did nothing to stop them or even slow them down. We happily voted them in and fiddled more than happily, through the Clinton years while America was burning and the evil bastards, now out of office, had time to perfect their plan which was presented to Clinton in 1998. PNAC was a fire breathing dragon in our midst that we refused to see or admit to if we did.
So now, after these neo fascists are finally solidly in power, due to our apathy, and have been allowed to change, not only the rules of the game, but the laws we live by, we demand action now. Now…NOW…NOW
Sorry folks, no one on this board is more angry than I am. And no one wants these people impeached and thrown in jail after they have been dealt with by the International community more than me. Sadly we have allowed them to insulate themselves against much that our founding father’s envisioned. It just will take time to nail their asses. Time to gather an overwhelming case legally, not just convincingly, to bring justice about.
The only other alternative is overriding the laws we believe in, is to don some white robes and hang them all from the nearest tree. I am not prepared to that, and I am not about to fly off the handle in frustration and let these evil bastards beat us because we did not have their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Libby is a good case in point. We got him but not Cheney. There simply wasn’t enough YET to nail Cheney and it could not be legally be done. Great that Fitz did not pursue a weak case to assuage our impatience. Note he also refused to comment at all on it. Had Fitz blurted out a bunch of stuff, that would have hurt our chances later. That means we have a clear field to prosecute when we do have that absolute guilt.
Paraphrase
June 26th, 2007 at 6:41 pm“Though the mills of Justice grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small.”
Wiretap Bush and Cheney…
and rendition them to Egypt…
and throw them into Guantanamo Bay without trial…
on suspicion of being enemies of America.
June 26th, 2007 at 7:39 pm#118 - Merlin
Well said.
June 26th, 2007 at 9:04 pmMartin, I think you need to make a better effort to become informed before you open your mouth.
June 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmWatching the neocons self-destruct in slow motion. ahhhhhhh.
June 26th, 2007 at 10:29 pmI wonder how the Chinese got our nuclear secrets. The Republicans in the 1990s did a piss poor job of oversight.
June 26th, 2007 at 11:09 pmmakes me wonder why we elected the prince to run up the foreign $ bill
Re: and classified information being mishandled? do you not see the huge hypocrisy on this made up non-scandal?
The left loves giving up State secrets, they love it. Look how the left wing New York Times, Washington Post love reporting on Top Secret programs used by the government to protect us.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Wiretapping the enemy was reported to the world long before the NYT reported on it, fool. Not a whimper from Bush or the Repubs in Congress. Here:
Go to CNN.com, search their archives for “Patriot Act,” go to page 38 of the results, and read the article dated 10/8/01 entitled “PC World poll highlights privacy concerns.” Monitoring the communications of the terrorists is hardly a national secret. Let me quote from that article which references a PC World poll:
Are you going to be the first to report CNN and the author of this article to the FBI for helping the enemy? No? I’ve tried several times to get your idiot troll friends to do this, but nobody has bothered. You can find the number to your local FBI field office on their web site.
Re: or look how Sandy Berger stole Top Secret documents from the National Archieve and there was no outrage from the left.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
And employees of the National Archives watched him walk right out of the building knowing he had copies of the documents on his person, and didn’t do a g-damned thing to stop him.
Besides, prove how his actions or the information he took away in any way threatened the security of our country.
Re: Please left wing moonbats, you are only fooling yourselves. As usual the hate Cheney idiots are falling all over their feet to make a story out of something the left has never considered important.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Oh, quit yer whinin’. Besides, this is payback for all the Clinton haters we had for 8 years.
Re: If you are outraged by what Cheney haters claim he did, you should have been outraged at what the New York Times did, Washington Post, Sandy Berger, leaky Leahy, leaky DICK Durbin and all the Democrats who have no problem leaking top secret information to the media and the public.
Comment by Conservatron — June 26, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
See above.
June 26th, 2007 at 11:12 pmMaybe Conservatron can explain why Dana Perino referred reporters to 3 sections of the EO that had nothing to do with the VP’s exemption in the press conference the other day.
In an earlier thread on this, I asked troll m12 several times. He/she/it couldn’t do it.
June 26th, 2007 at 11:47 pmJust Do It, waxMan!
June 27th, 2007 at 1:15 amTo steal a good point from Randi Rhodes, if we try impeachment on someone as slimy as Cheney and Bush, can you imagine the lawyers and how much slimy-er they would have to be. I mean, lawyers are already slimy, but to defend these people…yeeesh!
June 27th, 2007 at 3:14 amI’m all for impeachment, but with all the lying that they seem to have no problem doing, all we’ll be able to get on them is obstruction of justice and perjury…they may or may not be removed, and the Democrats will be accused of a witch hunt.
Also, I live in San Francisco, Nancy Pelosi is my Congresswoman, and I think she’s doing an excellent job. Please keep in mind that we barely have a majority in the Senate, and it takes both the Congress and Senate to pass laws that the president will either veto, or sign and then issue signing statements that the laws apply to everyone else but him. He’s done it HUNDREDS of times before. Be patient and hang in there. Look at all that’s come out in just a few months (5 months) since the Dems took control.
To quote Randi Rhodes (okay I wanna have her baby a little bit) “I love the smell of oversight in the morning.”
Keep paying attention!
thanks
June 27th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWhen? were waiting, let the charges begin.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmTo quote Randi Rhodes (okay I wanna have her baby a little bit) “I love the smell of oversight in the morning.†Keep paying attention!
Comment by Robert — June 27, 2007 @ 3:14 am
And when they’re done with Cheney and Bush, they should begin investigations that are long overdue, and have never been investigated, like the theft and destruction of classified national security documents by the national security advisor; like the bribery money disguised as cattle futures profits; who withheld the subpoenaed law firm billing records; what was provided to fugitives, criminals, terrorists and cronies in exchange for pardons; those never investigated, or even mildly inquired into by the press, accusations of sexual assault and even rape; the pilfered FBI files on political opponents; “No controlling legal authority”; Lippo; selling missile technology to the Chinese…
Some smells are worse than others. Yes, there is much work needed to be done.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI heard Bush and the Republicans are coming out with an Iraq War Tax so all good Americans can show their patriotism and “put their money where their mouth is” Can anybody give me any detials on this?
June 27th, 2007 at 1:37 pmWiretap Bush and Cheney…
Comment by Martin Gifford — June 26, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Or, wiretap Newt Gingrich and be hailed as a hero by the liberal media. As I did.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:37 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — June 27, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
This comment was not mine. It would seem someone is hell bent on impersonating me.
June 27th, 2007 at 2:52 pmI can’t believe it too 98 posts to correct the “flouted” error.
June 27th, 2007 at 3:15 pm134. Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 27, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
This was not my post. I’m sure it’s that c*cksucker Unholy moses trying to make me look bad.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:43 pmBoth bush and cheney belong in flip flops, short towels and the shower room at LEAVENWORTH FEDERAL PRISON with the lights out.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:47 pmWe have to keep after these bastards! Don’t let any issue drop. Don’t be distracted by their BS announcements about Iraq or anything else. They are a far worse enemy than Al Qaeda ever dreamed of being to our country.
Keep filling the Internets or clogging the tubes or whatever with their crimes.
All we have is words, for now. Let’s hope that is all we will need.
I hate to contemplate what we will have to employ if the Internets don’t work.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:06 pmBetter start sounding out military units to see which ones have ever read the Constitution they are supposed to defend from enemies domestic.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:15 am“The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time, it is it’s natural manure.” T. Jefferson
“The stench has become so high in rank, that those who love this land will ensure it’s fertilization” o.f.t.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:32 amHmmmm. Dana Perino is cute - and she’s a lousy liar; perhaps we could take up a collection and ask her to give Dubya and Darth blow jobs so we can impeach them, eh…?
I’ve got twenty bucks. Anyone else?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:31 amThere need never be an honest, open and just executive office again if these criminal and arrogant un-American activities go unchecked by IMPEACHMENT.
There are only too reasons for not impeaching this president and vice-president:
1.) the ulterior motive to keep these abuses in place so subsequent administrations can use them also; or
2.) the fear of failing and settling for the status quo, thus, disavowing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and halting the nation’s progress to real democracy.
The nation is bigger than the party and what is the Democratic Party if it accepts this? And in January 2009 what would a new president inherit…and will we be able to vote? Surely you don’t trust them!
June 28th, 2007 at 8:59 pmSo nice to see that Conservatron takes the time and removes his dick from the thirteen year old’s rectum and post his “wisdom” for us all
June 28th, 2007 at 9:57 pmPelosi has little to do with impeaching. She is leaving that to what illegalities Waxman finds and can prove, and eventually suggests as a course of action. She is only the Speaker. She gathers consensus and speaks for them. I suspect she will get behind impeachment if her consituents demand it. This is why we should be speaking to our Reps and Senators and demanding investigations and trials for each member of the Cabinet. One at a time, if need be, but let’s get the court cases rolling and the lawyers budgeted.
Much progress has been made in five months. Too bad it takes so long to present a case.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:36 am#73
You are asking way too much from the people who post here.