ThinkFast: June 27, 2007
ThinkFast: June 27, 2007
A new poll finds that “liberal ideas” are gaining with young Americans, who are “more likely than the general public to favor a government-run universal health care insurance system, an open-door policy on immigration and the legalization of gay marriage.”
In its forth and final installment on the influence and power of Dick Cheney, the Washington Post details the Vice President’s quiet control over energy and environmental laws. Paul Hoffman, a Cheney appointee at the Interior Department, explained, “His genius is that he builds networks and puts the right people in the right places, and then trusts them to make well-informed decisions that comport with his overall vision.”
The number of adults without health insurance jumped by 2 million from 2005 to 2006, according to a new report by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“I would wish him well, and ask him to please bring the troops (in Iraq) home,” said SiCKO filmmaker Michael Moore when asked what “one thing” he would like to say to President Bush.
“The United States has invested $19 billion to train and equip nearly 350,000 Iraqi soldiers and police since toppling Saddam Hussein, but the ability of those forces to provide security remains in doubt, according to the findings of a bipartisan congressional investigation to be released today.”
500: Number of Christian families who have left the Dora district in Baghdad because of the “chaos.” “The flight of Dora’s Christians is an example of how the initial phase of the U.S. security crackdown here has failed to establish security and stop the sectarian ‘cleansing’ of Baghdad’s neighborhoods.”
Violence is surging against women in Afghanistan. While the “lives of Afghan women and girls have improved vastly since the 2001 fall of the Taliban…this month has seen a rising number of attempts to quash these advances with threats and violence.”
The House Judiciary Committee held a hearing yesterday examining the legal basis for holding detainees at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base. Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, the lawyer who prevailed in his argument in Hamdan that Bush’s military commissions were unconstitutional, told the committee, “Guantanamo is Uncle Sam’s recruiting poster of jihadist recruitment.”
And finally: Former Sen. Dean Barkley (D-MN) is on the market for a mate. Barkley has a profile on Match.com, where he says that he is looking for a woman “younger than him, whose turn-ons would include ‘brainiacs,’ ‘erotica,’ and ‘thunderstorms.’” He also admits, “I am a star trek nut along with star wars.”
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Quick, Pat, better open a lot more colleges like good ol’ Regent U to brainwash these youg’uns with the proper talking points. Can’t let this get out of hand! Next thing ya know, we will have a Democrat back in the WH. And we all know what that would mean!
June 27th, 2007 at 9:13 amYoung people, minorities need to vote. It would fix so many things.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:15 am$19 Billion. $54,285 per useless “trainee”. Well spent.
Remember when thr Republicans got all fired-up over a $700 toilet seat for a jet? The good old days.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:18 amLandSurveyor, you beat me to it.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:19 amFrom the CC students I work with, they seem extremely involved politically. Not much apathy do I detect.
#4 Landsurveyor
That reminds me of an old joke: “Sure apathy has just been named the nation’s #1 problem…… but who cares?”
June 27th, 2007 at 9:20 am#3
Not to mention our national debt of
$8,808,730,360,878
which gives each of us estimated 302, 272, 717 Americans a share of
$29,141.67
No credit cards accepted. Only your children and grandchildren’s futures.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:23 amJune 27th, 2007 at 9:24 am
CIA plot to kill Castro detailed
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_cia_castro_plot
Politics of Washington has changed so little over the years… probably is the only one that knows Cheney.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:24 amWhy is Coulter always wearing shades? Is it using heroin again?
June 27th, 2007 at 9:25 amOMG! Our children are Communists!!!
June 27th, 2007 at 9:25 amThe young were in support of Clinton when the GOP mounted their truly wicked attacks and impeachment leading into the 2000 election ripoff. Young people are more often than not naturally innocent, and that innocence begets a kind of divinity.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:26 amFormer Sen. Dean Barkley (D-MN) is on the market for a mate.
I know this is not earthshaking news, but as a Minnesotan, I feel obliged to comment.
Mr. Barkley served under Jesse Ventura’s Governorship here. Ventura appointed him as Paul Wellstone’s replacement in the Senate after Sen. Wellstone’s mysterious plane crash & death.
Barkley served a whole two months as Senator. I assume he receives all the retirement benefits due to a retired Senator. He was in the right place at the right time, but had no essential experience or knowledge for the job. Hell, he never even had to campaign!
What’s my point? I just think it’s funny that at his age, he’s using Match.com to find a date.
My real point…who killed Paul Wellstone?
June 27th, 2007 at 9:26 amComment by mary Kerry
Thanks for the poll. Ann is surging now at 6.5%.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:27 amIt looks like the youth is brainewashed by Muslims.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:28 amThey believe in allowing Muslims to come here in take over.
My attitude is let the Mexicans in kick the Koraniamals out.
My 21 y.o. son is one of those DFH kids, thank god. During the 2004 election he worked for ACT all summer and he often calls me to ask “Did you hear about . . . ?” to mention some other outrage committed by the Republics.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:29 amIs it true that the Muslim faith disallows interest debt on loans?
June 27th, 2007 at 9:29 amExcellent article on smirkingchimp this am re: The Restoration…
June 27th, 2007 at 9:30 amhttp://www.smirkingchimp.com/
A new poll finds that “liberal ideas†are gaining with Young Americans
New? That news is straight from the 60’s. The youth in general is more liberal than older generations because what used to be liberal becomes conservative as time goes on.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:32 am“His genius is that he builds networks and puts the right people in the right places, and then trusts them to make well-informed decisions that comport with his overall vision.â€
They left this part about Cheney out…’if Cheney doesn’t agree with those decisions, he hunts them down & shoots them in the face.’
Is he Executive or is he Congressional? Only Alberto VO5 knows for sure!
June 27th, 2007 at 9:33 amThing is, I don’t think the youth are apathetic, or even really feel apathetic. They have serious feelings about where the country is going, and want to make a change.
What IS the problem is the feeling of helplessness and jadedness. The idea that even if they are involved, it won’t matter, since the system is being gamed so hard by those already so firmly entrenched in the system and insulated from the consequences their actions have.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:35 am#16 Is it true that the Muslim faith disallows interest debt on loans?
Comment by Shirley — June 27, 2007 @ 9:29 am
Yep. They consider it usury. Funny thing is, Christian faith asserts exactly the same, but looks as if the righty fundamentalists fully condone it, in the interests of “bussiness”. BTW, that guy in the Bible, Moses went really nuts when he realized their people was addoring a gold idol (really a god symbol of greed and mundane awards).
June 27th, 2007 at 9:35 am“A new poll finds that “liberal ideas†are gaining with Young Americans”
It’s not just young Americans. A recent poll showed that the majority of Americans believe in progressive values:
According to the report, Americans hold progressive views on a wide range of topic from health care to the economy. The report shows that 69 percent of respondents believe that the federal government should guarantee health care for all Americans. The same percentage believe that the government should care for those people that are unable to care for themselves
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/280143/study_most_americans_hold_progressive.html
This report is an interesting read. Puts a lie to the Republic’s contention that a majority of Americans are right of center.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:36 am18. You wish. I guess you forgot about the 80s which reversed alot of that. LOL. Keep talking to yourself, quieting rocking in the corner in your special chair, saying “we’re making progress in Iraq, we’re making progress in Iraq”.
You people truly are self-delusional.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:37 am“The number of adults without health insurance jumped by 2 million from 2005 to 2006, according to a new report by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”
Yeah, the economy is going great, the Dow is up, blah blah blah~
June 27th, 2007 at 9:37 amThis is the new reality, our nation is sinking into third world status, just as planned. Thanks PNAC. For nothing, cause that’s what we’ll have left by Jan 09.
“Yep. They consider it usury. Funny thing is, Christian faith asserts exactly the same, but looks as if the righty fundamentalists fully condone it, in the interests of “bussinessâ€
We, also, used to have usury laws on the books. I believe it was the wonderful senile Ronald Regan that did away with them.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:38 amKatie, it’s the majority of talk radio that’s reichwing, not the population…
June 27th, 2007 at 9:38 am18. One more thing. There was no Fox News in the 60s and no Daily Show in the 60s.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:38 am“I would wish him well, and ask him to please bring the troops (in Iraq) home,†said SiCKO filmmaker Michael Moore when asked what “one thing†he would like to say to President Bush.
QUICK! Someone go to michaelmoorewatch! This has GOT to be a LIE!
eric? If you’re here, please provide links that prove Michael Moore’s latest statement is a lie. Oh, and also provide links that acknowledge his caloric intake, as well as his LDL/HDL ratio!
Thanks!
June 27th, 2007 at 9:38 amWhy did you skip the last line of that poll about “young people” where it says they “think we can win the Iraq War”??? Oh yeah, you’re frauds.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:43 amYoung people, minorities need to vote. It would fix so many things.
Comment by LandSurveyor
This has been the problem for years now. With less than 30% voter turnout in virtually every election on every level, elected officials DO NOT feel obligated to abide by our wishes, much less even listen to us.
Apathy is the gateway to corruption in government. By not voting, the majority casts a “I don’t care” vote, which provides the groundwork for Corporate and Lobbyist concerns to overtake the needs of the population at large.
NO MATTER WHAT, VOTE. IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:44 amThe number of adults without health insurance jumped by 2 million from 2005 to 2006, according to a new report by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Further down the article:
“The overall count of the uninsured has been fluctuating between 41 and 44 million over the last five years and is not really trending up, they said.”
Oh No. We’re within the normal range of variation, everybody panic.
Even further down:
“Meanwhile, the number of uninsured children has dropped from about 10 million to about 7 million from 1997 to 2006.”
And more and more children are getting coverage, so it’s just people who choose not to have coverage who jumped the number.
He also admits, “I am a star trek nut along with star wars.â€
June 27th, 2007 at 9:45 amBetter hurry ladies, he won’t be single for long…
A new poll finds that “liberal ideas†are gaining with young Americans, who are “more likely than the general public to favor a government-run universal health care insurance system, an open-door policy on immigration and the legalization of gay marriage.â€
Ummmmmm, St.Daryll? you may want to cancel that missionary trip to Rio. Looks like you’ll be needed full time on college campuses around the nation.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:45 am(oh, and by the way, is it hard to sit after having your A$$ HANDED TO YOU YESTERDAY in regards to Biblical scriptures, as well as ethnicity?)
We, also, used to have usury laws on the books. I believe it was the wonderful senile Ronald Regan that did away with them.
Comment by Katie — June 27, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Ah, muslims consider any interest usury. Christians soon learned the “benefits” of lending money with an interest rate in the Rennaissance, specially these pesky dutches. The term “usury” then faded to the more bening term “excesive” interest rate. Reagan simply erased the term “usury” of the Republican dictionary. Any interest rate is ok, as long as you can charge it and some id!ot pays it. A real gift for the bankers and the VISA corporation. BTW, any interest over 15% can be considered safely “usury” by a regular person. Now, check the blueprint of the any credit card and laught to death, or insanity.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:46 amwerenotgonnatakeit
“we’re making progress in Iraq, we’re making progress in Iraqâ€.
Your bringing Iraq into a comment on liberal values? So your saying defeat and/or retreat are liberal values?
One more thing. There was no Fox News in the 60s and no Daily Show in the 60s.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:47 amReally? I had no idea, did you have to Google to find that out?
Not to mention our national debt of
$8,808,730,360,878
which gives each of us estimated 302, 272, 717 Americans a share of
$29,141.67
Comment by RUCerious — June 27, 2007 @ 9:23 am
I mention this to my high school students. Though it shocks them, they are more apathetic than your CC students… But I still figure it’s worth planting the seeds, so that when they do get to college and are surrounded by other students who care, perhaps something non-apathetic might sprout. Keep up the good fight! I’m convinced more than ever that their concern is now more pertinent than ever…
June 27th, 2007 at 9:48 amEvil Spaniard
A real gift for the bankers and the VISA corporation.
It’s also a gift for people who pay their credit card bills in full, on time. The silly amounts of interest they make off of the people who don’t do that help keep down any yearly or other usage fees that the companies charge.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:50 amFifty-one percent said the United States is very or somewhat likely to succeed in Iraq, compared with 45 percent among all adults. Contrary to conventional wisdom, younger Americans have historically been more likely than the population as whole to be supportive of what a president is doing in a time of war as they were in Korea and Vietnam, polls have shown.
Glen, noticed how I was able to cut and paste the actual article.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:51 am51%? Not really an overwhelming majority, eh?
The silly amounts of interest they make off of the people who don’t do that help keep down any yearly or other usage fees that the companies charge.
Comment by squegeebooo
BULLSH*T ALERT.
Credit card companies are one of the most profitable corporations in America, because the feed off the poor and indebted.
My sister in law works for Visa. You could ask her about those fees being offset by huge interest payments, and whether or not their profit is 90% from interest charges.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:53 amsquegeebooo
Seriously, come back strong or don’t come back at all.
My point is that in the 60’s the media ACTUALLY was liberal as opposed to being heckled as liberal by the conservative corporations who own the media. And you should be very worried about young people and the Daily Show because no one I know under the age of 50 watches Fox Noise. Kids get their news from the internet, where as you can see by the landsacpe you’re in right now, liberal and progressive views actually are allowed a voice.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:53 amNot Canadian
BULLSH*T ALERT.
Credit card companies are one of the most profitable corporations in America, because the feed off the poor and indebted.
The indebted? You mean the people who don’t pay in full on time? The one’s I just thanked for keeping my fee’s down?
My sister in law works for Visa. You could ask her about those fees being offset by huge interest payments, and whether or not their profit is 90% from interest charges.
Well give me her number so I can ask. But if they do make 90% from interest charges, I think that matches up with what I said.
So apparently we agree with each other?
June 27th, 2007 at 9:55 amWho’s right — Coulter or Edwards?
Vote msnabc poll
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19445182/
Comment by mary Kerry — June 27, 2007 @ 9:24 am
Elizabeth Edwards. Ann Coulter should stop with her personal attacks against the Edwards family.
93%
Ann Coulter. She’s free to say whatever she likes.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:57 am6.6%
A new poll finds that “liberal ideas†are gaining with young Americans
Of course, they’re not stupid. Conservatives have nothing to show for all the money and lives they’ve wasted, so finally there are consequences for conservatives’ failure.
Lo-sers!
June 27th, 2007 at 9:57 am.
Christine Todd Whitman:
If you want to attempt to redeem yourself, start telling the entire truth.
How many months prior to 9/11 did you know that the World Trade Center suffered from a MAJOR ASBESTOS PROBLEM in the eyes of the Port Authority?
On 9/11, you knew for a FACT that in essence, an “ASBESTOS BOMB” had just been detonated in lower Manhattan, that the cloud of asbestos covered a good part of the city, and the fibers and particles would be stirred up by the wind for weeks.
You didn’t need scientists to tell you this, your own logical mind told you this. Yet you lied to the people of New York, at the insistence of George Bush and Dick Cheney. You know that Halliburton bore the $15 BILLION liability of the WTC’s asbestos problem, having inherited it in Cheney’s acquisition of Dresser Industries (from the Bush Crime Family). It should also be obvious that the reason HAL received the no-bid contracts for the Iraq invasion was a direct quid-pro-quo for having taken on the Dresser Asbestos liability.
Either you’re with US or you’re against US.
You have the power to take them down – merely by telling the ENTIRE TRUTH.
How are you sleeping at night?
Free your mind, and our country.
TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:00 amIt looks like the youth is brainewashed by Muslims.
Damn you’re a genius! Whoever for one flash of a second would have believed that 5% of the United States population holds every academic job in the country?
Why don’t you people EVER think your thoughts through?
They believe in allowing Muslims to come here in take over.
All of them? Isn’t that even a tad too absolutistic for even you?
My attitude is let the Mexicans in kick the Koraniamals out.
Comment by The Joker — June 27, 2007 @ 9:28 am
Typical holier-than-thou hypocritical Christianist mentality… Be the very things you claim to be against. Sheesh…
June 27th, 2007 at 10:01 amGlen, noticed how I was able to cut and paste the actual article.
51%? Not really an overwhelming majority, eh?
Comment by DRxJ — June 27, 2007 @ 9:51 am
Heh. Only if it’s the margin of victory of a Repub over a Dem. You know how they like to exaggerate.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:01 amwerenotgonnatakeit
Kids get their news from the internet, where as you can see by the landsacpe you’re in right now, liberal and progressive views actually are allowed a voice.
As you apparently admit they had in the 60’s.
My point is that in the 60’s the media ACTUALLY was liberal
I’m confused at your point? There used to be a liberal media in the 60’s, now there still is a liberal media in the form of the interweb and shows like the Daily Show. Sounds like old news to me still. And it also seems to back me up, when I said this was old news from the 60s.
Now back to my point of this being old news from the 60’s. Why not take the Kent State Shootings, admittedly they happened in May 1970, however they can be viewed as a culmination of the youth protests of the 60’s.
You know, the youth movement, that was liberal and anti-war, that was protesting the republican administration. So my point of this being old news from the 60’s seems to be holding up well.
Seriously, come back strong or don’t come back at all.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:01 amMaybe you should take your own advice?
If you look at our history, it proves Liberal policies work. The philosophy of “we’re all in this together” will always trump the philosophy of “you’re on your own.”
June 27th, 2007 at 10:02 amsqeeg,
What other method do you suppose credit card companies make their profit?
It’s ALL interest based, stupid!
And that interest doesn’t keep your admin charges low, it goes to the bottom line.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:02 amwerenotgonnatakeit
Also, Summer of Love a liberal, counter culture, and youth movement in 1967.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:04 amYep. They consider it usury. Funny thing is, Christian faith asserts exactly the same, but looks as if the righty fundamentalists fully condone it, in the interests of “bussinessâ€.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — June 27, 2007 @ 9:35 am
Deuteronomy 15 is all about forgiving debts as well… Something else the self-proclaimed “true believers” ignore…
June 27th, 2007 at 10:05 amNot Canadian
What other method do you suppose credit card companies make their profit?
It’s ALL interest based, stupid!
And that interest doesn’t keep your admin charges low, it goes to the bottom line.
If they couldn’t make profit off of interest charges they would have to charge higher usage fees to make a profit (or potentially just not exist at all). So it does keep my admin charges low. It seems like a simple concept to me, maybe I’m wrong.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:06 amCheney Moves His Office to Dubai
Dick Cheney regularly forgoes niceties such as treaties, laws, our constitution and avoiding conflicts of interest with his oil brethren. This we know.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:06 amOne example among oh so many is the multiple billion dollar no-bid contracts awarded to his last employer and present benefactor, Halliburton.
Recently, Halliburton, in what can only be described as a Cheney-esque maneuver, devoid of patriotism and morality, is moving its headquarters to foreign soil. That the chosen country Dubai, an Arab land of Sheiks and Sultans, is a physical presence in our ‘oil’ wars and the WWIII Islamo Fascist crusade against Islam that Cheney et al say we will be fighting for decades is a chilling example of how Cheney’s non-legal non-moral mind can discard America’s interests with cognitive impunity.
I would like to also point out that to some degree Halliburton knows the United States’ Military’s Order of Battle in the Middle East.
To supply services to our troops they have to know of and plan for the logistics of troop movements; short term and long term.
Halliburton is in essence a division of our armed forces, paid differently but no less integral than communications, the motor pool, medical services and our lives’-at-risk warriors. Halliburton was an American entity but will not be as they leave America to avoid legal scrutiny and presumably to avoid paying U.S. taxes on what you and I pay them in those contracts.
If Dick Cheney saw personal gain for himself and his ‘oil’ brethren he would move the Pentagon offshore. He peddles nationalism and the ‘Red, White and Blue’ to the well meaning but susceptible GOP faithful but when it comes to his own interests it is not Red, White and Blue, it’s “screw you.”
–craig johnson/cognitorex–
Comment by katie
Wishful thinking.
“if you’re not a liberal in your 20’s, you have no heart, but if you’re not a conservative in your 40’s, you have no brain.”
There is sure to be another 1994-like conservative congressional takeover in my generation.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:08 amIt’s also a gift for people who pay their credit card bills in full, on time. The silly amounts of interest they make off of the people who don’t do that help keep down any yearly or other usage fees that the companies charge.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 27, 2007 @ 9:50 am
My sister in law works for Visa. You could ask her about those fees being offset by huge interest payments, and whether or not their profit is 90% from interest charges.
Well give me her number so I can ask. But if they do make 90% from interest charges, I think that matches up with what I said.
So apparently we agree with each other?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 27, 2007 @ 9:55 am
No, as I think, Not Canadian is saying that a credit card ISN’T A GIFT for poor people.
Just the opposite you’re saying. NC says that Visa preys on poor people with no savings, people who lives paying with the credit card, because it loans money in the moment you use it, and then charges you USURY RATES for the money they lend, making people lose a lot of money for the sake of a corporation that wants an unreasonable benefit for a little effort.
And NC also explains that Visa earns money by the fees for each credit card (that supposedly covers the material cost of the use of such card), and then again, with the interest rates for each operation, and abusive tax rates in the case your employer pays you one or two days too late. Therefore, the credit card corporations are lining their pockets thanks to poor people, who have no savings to cover such problems.
I’m now hearing the words of Bush “go out and keep shopping”.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:09 amEvil Spaniard
No, as I think, Not Canadian is saying that a credit card ISN’T A GIFT for poor people.
Never claimed it was. I claimed usury was a gift for people who pay their credit card bills on time, in full, because the people who don’t are where the credit card companies make their profit.
Therefore, the credit card corporations are lining their pockets thanks to poor people, who have no savings to cover such problems.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:13 amThen perhaps they shouldn’t be using them as much? Here’s a helpful video to explain the concept
Seriously, come back strong or don’t come back at all.
Maybe you should take your own advice?
Comment by squegeebooo
I can’t figure out what either one of you is trying to prove, frankly.
The notion that the media “really was liberal in the 60s” is horsesh!t. Trust me, I was there. It took a long time, and an increasing number of GI deaths before some of the media (like Walter Cronkite on CBS) began to question the efficacy of the Vietnam War. Eventually, some of the major newspapers began to cover the war differently, without parroting the White House. From the perspective of the New Left, however, the New York Times looked pretty much as it does now.
What was different in the 60s was that laws prevented the accumulation of media sources under a few owners. And a lot fewer pundits.
There was a 60s liberal anti-war movement, yes, fueled largely by the draft. What squeege doesn’t get is that in the interim we’ve seen a lot less “liberal” youth movement. Just because it was highly visible and highly active in the 60s and early 70s doesn’t mean this “isn’t news.” It is news, because it’s a shift from the 80s and 90s.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:15 amWhy did you skip the last line of that poll about “young people†where it says they “think we can win the Iraq War�?? Oh yeah, you’re frauds.
Comment by Glen
Why wouldn’t they believe that. Up until this week, when Lugar started the ball rolling, your leaders and reich wing pundits have all been saying the war is “winnable”. And you’re calling progressives frauds, ironic, isn’t it?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:15 amYoung SpongeBob has no clue that there are people who work full-time jobs for below poverty wages who cannot afford to make ends meet – especially when gas goes to $3 a gallon – and therefore need credit to get to work or feed their families and that THIS is what is unethical about getting rich at their expense.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:18 am#7 – I couldn’t help but notice this caption under Ann Coulter’s evil mug on the poll link:
June 26: Elizabeth Edwards phones into Hardball to “politely†ask Ann Coutler to stop the personal attacks on her family.
I wonder what gives with the quotation marks around the word politely? I thought EE was very polite. She even let AC constantly interrupt her.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:19 amWedge issues:
Immigration is a powerful wedge and from my viewpoint it is a tool for the Neocons to destabilize the US even further. The questions are; how can a 5 year tax break given to aliens be good for Americans? When do existing Americans get a 5 year tax break? When do people realize that the current unemployment numbers are fudged by excluding those that collected unemployment benefits but did not resume working or were forced to except a position that is part-time, temporary or otherwise a departure from the traditional view of what is considered “employment?â€
Global warming is an explosive issue and an apparent Neocon tool to reign in a new era of global government. We have heard it so many times over the years starting with Regan that both sides envision something known as the NWO. To me global warming is an excuse for the following; demand destruction to support the plutocracy, establishment of global body to oversee carbon taxation and sequestration and most of all to downplay the impending material and energy shortages not covered by demand destruction.
There are more but in the interest of brevity I want to suggest that the biggest function of wedge issues is to slice up the nation. My best guess here is that the Neocons have succeeded at creating division and chaos around the world. Till the wedge issues can be set aside to address the main issues like the impeachment of Bushco, ending the war, repealing or abolishing all laws like the Patriot Acts and Constitutional restoration matters will only get worse.
Constant in-fighting works to the advantage of the Neocons along with endless diatribe like what is found here. Enemies of the people are determined to prevent any form of national unity that might diminish, delay, terminate or otherwise interrupt Neocon plans for global domination and world government. There are more than enough quotes and clichés out there regarding fear that I don’t need to provide them. The basic point is that unification of the citizenry is essential to the restoration of our representative democracy that has been derailed into an autocracy that sits atop a massive plutocracy.
We can and do disagree on many points but an overwhelming majority agrees that Bushco simply has to go ASAP. It is clear that Congress has become ineffective and gave Bushco the green light for Autocracy through the approval of legislation like the Patriot Act. All of these things are in direct violation of the Constutition and Congress is unable to take the necessary steps to accept the will of the majority of the nation. As I have said before, “The responsibility of restoring the Constitution and the letter of law now falls squarely on the shoulders of all of us citizens.
In accordance with the 1st Amendment our protests and marches should look like this (Iraq)…
http://bellaciao.org/en/IMG/jpg/sunni_shia_protest.jpg
Instead we have this (free speech zones)…
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/First_amendment_zone2.jpg
Are you all content to wait until our nation becomes the mirror image of Fallujah in Iraq?,,
June 27th, 2007 at 10:19 amhttp://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&_/images7/iraq/fallujah_fallen.jpe
“if you’re not a liberal in your 20’s, you have no heart, but if you’re not a conservative in your 40’s, you have no brain.â€
There is sure to be another 1994-like conservative congressional takeover in my generation.
Comment by CT V_1
Talk about wishful thinking. Believing that people grow into conservatism is typical of the “thinking” used by conservatives. Tell that one to me, at age 58, or my dad, who is 84 and farther off to the Left than I am.
As people get older, they often get more tied to their possessions, especially homes, and tend to be more protective of them, but this doesn’t translate to political views. Out here on the Left Coast (and in most major metropolitan areas) there are plenty of people in their 40s and above who are anything but “conservative.”
It’s delusional to think that swings of the political pendulum happen because some people get older. It doesn’t even make sense.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:19 amMeanwhile, the number of uninsured children has dropped from about 10 million to about 7 million from 1997 to 2006.â€
And more and more children are getting coverage, so it’s just people who choose not to have coverage who jumped the number.
Comment by squegeebooo
The drop in uninsured children could be because many states are providing healthcare to uninsured children. The federal government doesn’t reimburse the states and so the states are all broke and raises property taxes and sales taxes are used by communities to make up the difference. You know the taxes levied disproportionately agains lower and middle income people.
But 44 million uninsured adults isn’t a problem as far as you’re concerned. And at over $1,000 a month for coverage, for somebody without preexisting conditions, you think people just “choose” to not have insurance?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:23 amSECURES THE MEXICAN BORDER?
Wednesday 27th of June 2007
by Jay Randal
The Senate debate over the bogus immigration reform bill is exasperating, because Democrats should not be helping Pres. George Bush to pass the ridiculous thing.
Corporate elite want the bill passed, because it allows their continued access to hordes of illegal immigrants for cheap labor, and shields elite from being fined too.
The bill is filled with smoke and mirrors to obscure the real agenda behind it, so Democrats are stupid to back it, because it will lead to further suppression of wages.
Flooded labor market is not a good thing for workers, since it inhibits pay increases across the board, plus it undermines employees ability to negotiate higher pay.
Competition for bottom rung jobs increases, so Black Americans would be severely affected by it, hence less jobs available to them and more jobs going to Latinos.
Note: I am flabbergasted that Sen. Harry Reid backs the bill, because Las Vegas has severe gang related crimes, which is why my sister moved from Nevada. He should demand the deportation of gang members to Mexico. As for Sen. Ted Kennedy: ask him about Fernando Parra, a deceased elite pal.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
PS: Contact Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy to stop backing bills that benefit the Bush Regime. Here are FAX numbers for Harry and Ted:
June 27th, 2007 at 10:25 am202-224-7327 for Reid and 202-224-2417 for Kennedy.
re: the credit card debate…
did anyone see demetri martin on the daily show last night?
right on the spot…
June 27th, 2007 at 10:26 amYoung people think they can change the world, older folks are more realistic due to life experience. The urban centers are full of those who profess their love and support of the poor, usually over cocktails at fashionable condos, but certainly arent the ones who actually work at the food-shelf or dole out used clothing at the Salvation Army.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:27 am#55 Evil Spaniard
No, as I think, Not Canadian is saying that a credit card ISN’T A GIFT for poor people.
Never claimed it was. I claimed usury was a gift for people who pay their credit card bills on time, in full, because the people who don’t are where the credit card companies make their profit.
Squeeg, you’re specially nipicky today. No coffee yet? You know what I mean. And I’ll not discuss with you the meaning of “is”.
And well, you’re a “personal responsability republican”, or whatever the label you like to wear. OK, then. As such, you must believe then than a person or organization must earn as much as his efforts are worth, isn’t? Well, OK, you really believe that credit card corporations work hard for these enormous benefits? I doubt so. Once the ATMs in place and fully payed, and the computer systems in their headquarters on, the effort needed to run it is comparatively little and, theorethically covered by the credit card fee. And well, if a person is such a bad payer, and has no savings, why give him credit in the first place? And why charge him such an enormous interest?
Squeeg, they’re not regular bussinesmen. They want you to use the credit card with no savings, and are lobbying specially the Republicans (remember, pro-bussiness, not pro-people) in your GOP to remove protections for the common people, not only the ones that live paycheck to paycheck and thanks to Visa loans.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:28 amIt doesn’t even make sense.
Comment by gummitch — June 27, 2007 @ 10:19 am
And that’s how you know that a conservative came up with it :D
June 27th, 2007 at 10:29 amI dislike it when a person is referred to as a “genius” merely because they have no scruples or decency. Anyone can be a rotten bastard shitbag.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:30 amshane
And at over $1,000 a month for coverage, for somebody without preexisting conditions, you think people just “choose†to not have insurance?
I’m paying roughly 250 a month with no pre-existing conditions besides the occasional broken bones and some allergies. And using the internet I just found an individual insurance plan for myself for 350 a month if I needed it, and I just tried a few major cities, and was looking at just 100 a month. You sure your not thinking of a family plans at 1000 a month?
you think people just “choose†to not have insurance?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:32 amYup. They could “choose” to work more, or to trade off something else to cover the cost of the insurance.
It’s delusional to think that swings of the political pendulum happen because some people get older. It doesn’t even make sense.
Comment by gummitch
I agree. I was liberal in my 20s, and I’m even more liberal in my 40s. I don’t see that trend changing.
Maybe CT thinks that stupid old saying is a rule?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:33 amYoung people think they can change the world, older folks are more realistic due to life experience. The urban centers are full of those who profess their love and support of the poor, usually over cocktails at fashionable condos, but certainly arent the ones who actually work at the food-shelf or dole out used clothing at the Salvation Army.
Comment by Think Prostate
How to live your life in total stereotypes. But what else to expect to someone advertising that they “think” out their butt?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:34 amEvil Spaniard
Squeeg, you’re specially nipicky today. No coffee yet? You know what I mean. And I’ll not discuss with you the meaning of “isâ€.
Yah, sorry, I got his point about it screwing the poor, but I never tried to argue that it didn’t, so I just took it as responding to my comment and went from there.
And well, if a person is such a bad payer, and has no savings, why give him credit in the first place? And why charge him such an enormous interest?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:34 amSo you can milk him till he’s dry and then move on to the next person you manage to suck in I would assume.
Maybe CT thinks that stupid old saying is a rule?
Comment by Zooey
And doesn’t notice that it’s a “rule” written by a conservative?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:35 amYoung people think they can change the world, older folks are more realistic due to life experience.
Stop being so absolutistic. I’m 40 and I KNOW that we can still change the world. It’s called hope, and once you lose it, life becomes pointless…
The urban centers are full of those who profess their love and support of the poor, usually over cocktails at fashionable condos, but certainly arent the ones who actually work at the food-shelf or dole out used clothing at the Salvation Army.
Comment by Think Prostate — June 27, 2007 @ 10:27 am
Proof? I’m guessing you have none, are just making crap up, as many on your side so invariably do.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:35 amJay Randal ,
June 27th, 2007 at 10:37 amYou anti Hispanic bigot.
You’re against the Immigration bill because it allows Hispanics here.
If it 12 Million Muslims I bet you’d support it.
You’re a fake self delusional idiot, not some “activist”.
You have Delusions of grandeur, but you’re a nobody!
You’re just an Islamic stooge!
Let the Mexicans in!
Kick the Muslims out!
Keep America Judeo-Christian/Greco-Roman!
Islam is the problem!
June 27th, 2007 at 10:39 amWe must stop the Islamic One World Government!
Fortunately for us, our youth today will be our leaders of tomorrow and may, indeed, have to save their parents from becoming our parent’s children in every way. We’ve become “them” for all intents and purposes and knew better. After all, most “baby boomers” knew that the Vietnam War was a charade and vowed that we would never again make this critical error in judgment. This was one of the reasons why Bush Jr. gained any traction at all….being a baby boomer and ostensibly “knowing better” himself. How wrong everyone was in that assumption!
Then we had another opportunity to act from the lesson of Vietnam when the Bush Cabal was lying us into this new war…..bingo! We failed to act out of our own gut instincts and shut down this dictator.
Now it will be our children, our youth…..our college students who will teach us our next lesson. They will become more powerful than we’d ever hoped to be, they will admonish us for our errors, and will not make the same mistakes which we have made. Of that we can be certain.
In that way, these young americans will hold our feet to the fire. Many are becoming liberals; many are opting to be Independent….and it’s all good.
These young adults will be our salvation. They will not make the same devastating errors which we have made.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:39 amYup. They could “choose†to work more, or to trade off something else to cover the cost of the insurance.
Comment by squegeebooo
That’s not fair, Squeegy. So many jobs don’t even offer health insurance no matter how many hours you work. And forget dental — what a luxury. When I worked for the zoo creatures, my insurance was over $500 per month, with a $2000 deductible. That was the best I could find. Luckily my employers paid it, but I had to take a lower rate of pay. I worked 40 hours a week, and was raising the men by myself — how was I supposed to work more?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:40 am#75 & #76….and you have the balls to criticize Jay Randal?? Just look at your post and it’s riddled with discriminatory comments. Isn’t this the case of the kettle calling the pot black? Those who live in glass houses should never throw stones….lest they lose personal credibility completely. I guess your moniker (The Joker) says it all then?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:42 amJoker > You are a dirty disgusting fascist, so cut your crap on here. I am against wide-open borders hurting American workers. I would be against 12 million Muslims or anybody else flooding into the US from open borders.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:42 amveritas,
June 27th, 2007 at 10:42 amWhen the youth realize that threat Islam is they will change!
If there’s a war with China and we get our asses handed to us, they will move sharply to the right.
They will turn on their Islamic masters and free this country!
Young people think they can change the world, older folks are more realistic due to life experience. Comment by Think Prostate
I served in Vietnam and then came home and became an Activist against the war as part of the VVAW. And you know what?? WE DID MAKE A DIFFERENCE!! So it can be done, even with a WH as evil as this one is, even wose than Tricky Dick’s was in the 70’s.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:42 amMaybe CT thinks that stupid old saying is a rule?
Comment by Zooey
Well, your party pushes themselves onto everybody, apparently their sayings are suddendly facts, offering no tangible proof.
It’s a saying that goes well with the Boomer era, judging from the voting patterns. It’s not a long shot.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:44 amSo many jobs don’t even offer health insurance no matter how many hours you work.
Right, but like I said above, I just used the internet for all of 2 minutes and found various individual basic level health plans for 100-350 a month depending on the location.
I worked 40 hours a week, and was raising the men by myself — how was I supposed to work more?
Did you look into Medicaid? It’s there to help out in situations like that.
And forget dental
June 27th, 2007 at 10:44 amI have for now. Hoping brushing and flossing and mouth wash will do the trick for another year at least.
Jay Randal,
June 27th, 2007 at 10:45 amYou fake Muslims sympathizer, you’re against Hispanics you liar.
The whole Immigration debate was created by Mulsims to reduce Hispanic influence in America.
They know once when we run this country we will devour them like a Wolf kills a deer.
You’re a hack for Iranian intrests!
If it was 12 Muslims in America you’d be celebrating in the name of “diversity”
You’re not an activist, you’re a traitor!
Squeeg, they’re not regular bussinesmen. They want you to use the credit card with no savings, and are lobbying specially the Republicans (remember, pro-bussiness, not pro-people) in your GOP to remove protections for the common people, not only the ones that live paycheck to paycheck and thanks to Visa loans.
Comment by Evil Spaniard
In addition the credit card companies charge the vendor about 1.8% on each transaction, sometimes with an additional 10–25 cents flat fee added to that. That raises the cost of everything you buy but doesn’t seem to cover any of the credit card companies fees squiggy is referring to.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:46 amGreat, debate more wedge issues like socialized medicine while the national debt just hit…
June 27th, 2007 at 10:46 am$8,808,790,497,161.61
Keep on talking about small potatoes while the nation is entering a massive depression. We need to stop the diatribe, in-fighting and defeatist discourse and focus in on Constitutional restoration, impeachment and ending the war that is helping to increase the national debt. We must put this plutocracy out first and then we can vote like civilized people on the other issues. There will be no way to address socialized medicine when the nation enters complete collapse.
And doesn’t notice that it’s a “rule†written by a conservative?
Comment by gummitch
No, it’s a rule probably written by the boomer era, a majority of whom have become conservatives or were conservatives. Again, it’s not a long shot.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:47 amIs it me, or does the Joker make absolutely no sense?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:47 amKinda like, in a Patrick1nut sorta way.
More nazi rhetoric posted by a weak song from the Steve Miller Band in the form of alleged christian fundamentalist love for Mexican immigrants…
Where’s Batman when you need him???
June 27th, 2007 at 10:48 amHealthcare should be subsidized by the government for those earning under $45,000.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:49 amHMO’s shopuld be eliminated and a competitive system like car insurance should be enacted.
That would solve the issue.
Of course ““liberal ideas†are gaining with young Americans, who are “more likely than the general public to favor a government-run universal health care insurance system, an open-door policy on immigration and the legalization of gay marriage.—
Young people think, say and do ALL kinds of “stupid” things …..because they are young. It’s part of youth.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:49 amJay Randal,
As we have all noted here before, the jokester is either bullsh!tting everyone here and/or he is clinically paranoid-schizophrenic. In either case, he is harmless, as long as he doesn’t live in your neighborhood.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:50 am#72 Comment by squegeebooo — June 27, 2007 @ 10:34 am
No problem, though, Squeeg. As I said days ago, I sound usually harsher than I’m really wanting to.
I see your point, and, believe me, I’m too a “personal responsability” guy, my parents were dirt poor, and I’m now where I’m thanks to their personnal effort giving me an education and mine too, being a fast learner and (somewhat) hard worker, but using “personal responsability” as a magic wand, as do your Republican Party, specially as if no one outside the R Party had it, well, is ludicrous at best.
Sh!t happens in this life. Poor people often doesn’t have savings (specially in such a consummer oriented society as yours), and the first problem (illness, flooding, a house robbery, a dishonest CEO) can bankrupt them too easily, no matter how careful (personally responsible) with their finances are.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:50 am“More nazi rhetoric posted ”
Ha ha ha ha ha!
June 27th, 2007 at 10:51 amYou must be a Stalinist since I’m a “NAZI”
I didn’t know that you can be a Nazi as a Hispanic?
Either way you’re an Islamist sympathizer.
A true traitor to your country!
BTW, hi, unbelievable, how’s going the life? And your travel plans with your students?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:51 amshane
In addition the credit card companies charge the vendor about 1.8% on each transaction, sometimes with an additional 10–25 cents flat fee added to that. That raises the cost of everything you buy but doesn’t seem to cover any of the credit card companies fees squiggy is referring to.
Well American Express has a higher % charged to the vendor than any of the other companies, (which I assume is part of the reason it’s not as widely accepted as visa/master card) and I don’t have any usage fees on my AmEx, so perhaps the % charged to the vendor does help, then again, that ones completely anecdotal.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:52 amDRxJ ,
June 27th, 2007 at 10:53 amHow don’t I make sence?
Ohh I don’t go by the Leftist playbook!
Sorry I’m not a Muslim loving Stalinist like you!
Yup. They could “choose†to work more, or to trade off something else to cover the cost of the insurance.
Comment by squegeebooo
So you pay $250 per month for your part of a group insurance plan. How much does your employer pay. I pay $275 per week per employee for group insurance.
I had another insurance policy that said they would charhr around $450 per month per employee, but when the first month’s premium came in it was $1,600. Some states limit the amount they can charge, Illinois does not, the insurance company, United Healthcare, forgot to mention that. And on an individual plan, unless your state prohibits it, they can raise your premium every month if they choose to.
Just like the credit card companies promise to charge you a lower fee to process credit cards from your customers for vendors at a lower rate, and then within a couple of months they all revert to the highest rate that they’ve all agreed to charge.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:53 amYoung people think, say and do ALL kinds of “stupid†things …..because they are young. It’s part of youth.
Comment by valiant venus — June 27, 2007 @ 10:49 am
Maybe your imaginary children, but as a teacher I can say that the youth in America is smarter than ever. They are aware of things I wasn’t at their age simply because they now have access to it.
It’s only the willfully ignorant, like you who say stupid things, regardless of age.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:54 amYoung people think, say and do ALL kinds of “stupid†things …..because they are young. It’s part of youth.
Comment by valiant mighty venus aphrodisiac — June 27, 2007 @ 10:49 am
Could you provide an example?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:54 amand no, you can’t use the 24 year old myspace anorexic female who pretends to be a lawyer, a Jew, a Catholic, married, who spawned children who make light of their deceased sibling! No one would be that “stupid”, would they?
$8,808,801,504,940.49 is the updated national debt and your debating socialized medicine?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:54 amKeep on talking about small potatoes while the nation is entering a massive depression. We need to stop the diatribe, in-fighting and defeatist discourse and focus in on Constitutional restoration, impeachment and ending the war that is helping to increase the national debt. We must put this plutocracy out first and then we can vote like civilized people on the other issues. There will be no way to address socialized medicine when the nation enters complete collapse.
Joker > you are the traitor and you need hospitalization for severe mental illness. This issue is about open unsecured borders. Get off your Muslims are going to kill us all lunacy.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:55 amAlso, we’re accepting polls from NY Times (disgraced) and MTV now?
But if you insist….
“But when it came to the war, young Americans were more optimistic about the outcome than the population as whole. Fifty-one percent said the United States is very or somewhat likely to succeed in Iraq, compared with 45 percent among all adults. Contrary to conventional wisdom, younger Americans have historically been more likely than the population as whole to be supportive of what a president is doing in a time of war as they were in Korea and Vietnam, polls have shown.” Source: NY Times.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:56 amYoung people think, say and do ALL kinds of “stupid†things …..because they are young. It’s part of youth.
Comment by valiant venus
Using your logic, based on your stupid posts, you must be 5 years old then.
Have a sucker.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:56 amJay Randal ,
June 27th, 2007 at 10:58 amOpen borders is a code word for Anti-Hispanic.
If it was 12 Million Mulsims you’d welcome them with open arms!
The Muslims run America already!
BTW, hi, unbelievable, how’s going the life? And your travel plans with your students?
Comment by Evil Spaniard — June 27, 2007 @ 10:51 am
Hi ES… How are you?
We didn’t make it to Europe this summer. Between coming up with the funds, and the main student who was organizing things’s parents refusing to let him go, it sort of disintegrated last semester. Oh well… Won’t stop me from traveling in the future :D. Thanks for asking.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:58 amshane
June 27th, 2007 at 10:58 amSo you pay $250 per month for your part of a group insurance plan. How much does your employer pay. I pay $275 per week per employee for group insurance.
0. All they do for us is negotiate a slightly reduced group rate and pull the money out of our checks pre-tax.
I had another insurance policy that said they would charhr around $450 per month per employee, but when the first month’s premium came in it was $1,600. Some states limit the amount they can charge, Illinois does not, the insurance company
I just found multiple individual health care plans in Chicago for under 100 a month. Don’t blame the companies because your not good at shopping around. Theres enough other real things to blame them on.
Jokeweed: Lots of nazis moved to South America after WWII, moron. Bigotry like yours knows no race, creed, national origin or sexual orientation — it’s an equal opportunity offender as you affirm in person every day with your little rants.
Oh, and by the way, before you label me as a traitor, let me show you my war wounds from “defending my country” during Iraq I, and my father’s name on the VietNam wall.
Perhaps you should move your poopy pants back to your little sandbox now so we adults can continue our conversation that’s obviously way over your head.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:58 amWell American Express has a higher % charged to the vendor than any of the other companies, (which I assume is part of the reason it’s not as widely accepted as visa/master card) and I don’t have any usage fees on my AmEx, so perhaps the % charged to the vendor does help, then again, that ones completely anecdotal.
Comment by squegeebooo
Discover also charges higher fees to the vendor. AmEx has annual fees for noninterest bearing accounts. That is why many companies only take visa and master card. And believe me, I have a really small business and pay about $1,200 per month to process credit cards. Add that to the amount I have to pay for health insurance and the enormous amount I have to pay for garage insurance and you’ll figure out why you pay so much to get your car repaired.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:58 am“Could you provide an example?
and no, you can’t use the 24 year old myspace anorexic female who pretends to be a lawyer, a Jew, a Catholic, married, who spawned children who make light of their deceased sibling! No one would be that “stupidâ€, would they?”
Comment by DRxJ
People who pretend to be any one of those things are pretty stupid. It doesn’t have to come in packaged form.
June 27th, 2007 at 10:58 amwhat are mulsims? do they serve those with calamari?
June 27th, 2007 at 10:59 amEvil Spaniard
but using “personal responsability†as a magic wand, as do your Republican Party, specially as if no one outside the R Party had it, well, is ludicrous at best.
Sure, and I’ve never advocated removing social services that can help people out when the stuff hits the fan (better management of those services I have advocated though) but there are people here who seem, to me at least, to try and completely ignore personal responsibility and go straight to blaming society.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:01 amWell, your party pushes themselves onto everybody, apparently their sayings are suddendly facts, offering no tangible proof.
This sentence makes no sense, CT. You’re on a progressive political blog, remember? We’re not pushing, you’re volunteering.
It’s a saying that goes well with the Boomer era, judging from the voting patterns. It’s not a long shot.
Comment by CT V_1
All or nothing/black or white thinking — again.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:02 amWhile you were jabbering and flaming about wedge issues the national debt continued to climb to an astounding $8,808,807,621,807.06
June 27th, 2007 at 11:02 amKeep on talking about small potatoes while the nation is entering a massive depression. We need to stop the diatribe, in-fighting and defeatist discourse and focus in on Constitutional restoration, impeachment and ending the war that is helping to increase the national debt. We must put this plutocracy out first and then we can vote like civilized people on the other issues. There will be no way to address socialized medicine when the nation enters complete collapse.
I am against wide-open borders hurting American workers. I would be against 12 million Muslims or anybody else flooding into the US from open borders.
Comment by Jay Randal
Today Home Depot was on the news saying how the “day laborers” that flock to their parking lots to pick up work are destroying their parking lots and hurting business. I guess we know where all the good construction jobs, that used to pay health insurance, have gone.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:03 ambut there are people here who seem, to me at least, to try and completely ignore personal responsibility and go straight to blaming society.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 27, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Society has more power and more money, therefore, more blame.
Sure, personal accountability is important, but you’ll find that the party who claims to stand for it, doesn’t practice it. So if you want more people to be personally accountable, then, by all means, start with the conservatives.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:04 amThis week I read of 50 of the smartest high school graduates in the country addressing Bush’s abuse of powers.
Yesterday I saw a 16-year-old take down Bill-o on the Factor — reducing OLielly to calling the boy a pinhead, when confronted with facts.
Today I read that young people favor more liberal ideas involving government and the people of the country.
I don’t want to read too much into this, but perhaps there is still hope for the future.
(I am still recovering from the sight of the young people cheering Ann Coultergeist yesterday.) Mercifully, there were only a dozen or so.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:06 amRight, but like I said above, I just used the internet for all of 2 minutes and found various individual basic level health plans for 100-350 a month depending on the location.
Where do you think I found my insurance, Squeegy? I’m a woman in my 40s, there are no cheap individual policies anymore.
Did you look into Medicaid? It’s there to help out in situations like that.
Do you know how little you have to make to qualify for that? My son was working a part time minimum wage job, and made too much money to qualify.
I have for now. Hoping brushing and flossing and mouth wash will do the trick for another year at least.
Comment by squegeebooo
Me too. Student health doesn’t offer dental. Oy…
June 27th, 2007 at 11:07 amunbelievable
June 27th, 2007 at 11:08 amSociety has more power and more money, therefore, more blame.
And it’s built on the individual. And considering that democracy and capitalism have done more to raise the living standards of their populace as compared to any other political/economic combination I’d say society is doing decently.
So you can milk him till he’s dry and then move on to the next person you manage to suck in I would assume.
Comment by squegeebooo
In fact, no. Otherwise they cant buy your stuff. Thats the issue with capitalism. I guess it was Ford who payed well to his workers becuz otherwise they couldnt buy his cars. The whole game of capitalism is to squeeze the money out of poor people, but not enough to starve them, becuz you would have the Bolsheviks again. Remember there was in 1905, 5 million russians that starved to death, that kind of sh*t can produce an uprising of course.
But, back to topic, Argentina in 2001 was unable to pay all the loans to the IMF and WorldBanks, etc. What did the IMF do? Lent some money. If you kill the cow, you can milk it.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:08 amI guess we know where all the good construction jobs, that used to pay health insurance, have gone.
Comment by shane — June 27, 2007 @ 11:03 am
And why any functional Immigration Bill must include penalties to companies and corporations that do business with illegals. After all, Big Business is why they come here, and can afford to stay here illegally.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:09 amI worked 40 hours a week, and was raising the men by myself — how was I supposed to work more?
Did you look into Medicaid? It’s there to help out in situations like that.
And forget dental
I have for now. Hoping brushing and flossing and mouth wash will do the trick for another year at least.
Comment by squegeebooo
How much do you think you can work and get medicaid health benefits. Not many. So now you understand why single mothers collect welfare to get medical coverage for their children. If a working poor person ends up in the hospital, emergency medical coverage is available, if you truly are working and in the poverty level. But if you make any money they’re just going to bill you and ruin your credit. I paid $600 for my daughter’s 5th grade physical and innoculations because my insurance doesn’t cover well child care.
You think brushing and flossing and not going to the dentist is the same approach everybody should take to healthcare. News flash, parents can’t get their children into school without physicals.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:09 amshane > eventually Americans will be jobless or working for slave wages.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:12 amYoung people think, say and do ALL kinds of “stupid†things …..because they are young. It’s part of youth.
Comment by valiant venus
Wow, typing while looking in the mirror “young stupid thing”?
Maybe you should save all your posting in a journal and when you grow up you will see what a vile little bitch you sound like.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:13 amZooey
Do you know how little you have to make to qualify for that? My son was working a part time minimum wage job, and made too much money to qualify.
Ah, news to me, my bad, new it was low, not that low.
Where do you think I found my insurance, Squeegy? I’m a woman in my 40s, there are no cheap individual policies anymore.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:13 amWell I tried it out as a 43 year old woman and got roughly the same rates, but that was just for 1 person, not a family plan, which seemed to have roughly doubled the cost when I put in 1 kid.
Just on the local news, the Westin Hotel in Seattle has several hundred protesters out to welcome Beto the Gonzo to his lates lie-fest.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:13 amAnd considering that democracy and capitalism have done more to raise the living standards of their populace as compared to any other political/economic combination I’d say society is doing decently.
Comment by squegeebooo
Pssst, democracy comes from the Greeks. Was their any advance when they were stoning people and feeding guys to the lions? As for Capitalism, in fact it was all the working movements against owners of factories after the Industrial Revolution that raised the living standards of MOST of people.
Squeegee, why do you think Scandinavians countries are the most prosperous countries in the world. Read about their working movements there and what happened.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:14 amAll or nothing/black or white thinking — again.
Comment by Zooey
But, my good friend Zooey, I’m simply noticing that the voting record of your generation (if you’re part of the boomer era) hasn’t exactly been overwhelmingly liberal in the last 20+ years. The oldest boomers were in their 20’s in the 60’s – hippie era. They were settling down and stabilizing their work lives in their 30’s – Vietnam recovery. They voted in Jimmy Carter in an attempt to finally capitalize on their prospects for that big democratic haven they were looking for. Carter failed. They finally called it quits and voted Reagan into office for two terms, a presidency that worked out pretty well for the country. They didn’t feel that Bush was furthering his legacy, so they voted in Clinton. More conservative votes followed by the boomers. I’m not exactly recalling this in a black-and-white setting.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:16 amJust on the local news, the Westin Hotel in Seattle has several hundred protesters out to welcome Beto the Gonzo to his lates lie-fest.
Comment by RUCerious — June 27, 2007 @ 11:13 am
This is excellent news! Glad to see people doing something so pro-active and that the local news is actually reporting it! Yay!
June 27th, 2007 at 11:18 amSqueegee, why do you think Scandinavians countries are the most prosperous countries in the world. Read about their working movements there and what happened.
Comment by Juan C — June 27, 2007 @ 11:14 am
He should go visit. His reading comprehension skills don’t seem to be functional…
June 27th, 2007 at 11:20 amEven though the national debt just hit $8,808,822,075,162.68 the conversation is still about wedge issues like immigration & health care. We do need to act on those issues but the big problem is that the government has become autocratic (dictatorship).
June 27th, 2007 at 11:21 amKeep on talking about small potatoes while the nation is entering a massive depression. We need to stop the diatribe, in-fighting and defeatist discourse and focus in on Constitutional restoration, impeachment and ending the war that is helping to increase the national debt. We must put this plutocracy out first and then we can vote like civilized people on the other issues. There will be no way to address socialized medicine when the nation enters complete collapse.
Don’t blame the companies because your not good at shopping around. Theres enough other real things to blame them on.
Comment by squegeebooo
I pay my employess union benefits because I believe in doing the “right thing” by giving them insurance and pensions. If you go to a garage and can’t get your car fixed properly, it’s because it’s almost impossible to hire mechanicd who understand the technology today without a good package. So I don’t “shop” for my insurance wiseass.
However, as I explained earlier but you apparently were unable to understand, when I did shop for a group package and was thinking about going nonunion, I was deceived by the insurance companies that gave me a premium estimate of 25% of what the first payment actually turned out to be.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:21 amtake all your overgrown infants away somewhere
and build them a home
a little place of their own
the fletcher memorial home for incurable tyrants and
kings
-The Fletcher Memorial Home, Pink Floyd (from the Final Cut)
May I suggest everyone listen to this CD (preferably the remastered version)
June 27th, 2007 at 11:22 amNe’er has an album from the early eighties been more true than today!
Well I tried it out as a 43 year old woman and got roughly the same rates, but that was just for 1 person, not a family plan, which seemed to have roughly doubled the cost when I put in 1 kid.
Comment by squegeebooo
Fortunately, I’m not relying on that anymore, but let me put it this way — when I first got the insurance it was $150 per month. In 6 years it went to $500 per month — just me. Because of a pre-existing condition, there was no changing insurance. My sons were on their father’s insurance.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:22 amJuan C
Squeegee, why do you think Scandinavians countries are the most prosperous countries in the world. Read about their working movements there and what happened.
You mean these Scandinavian countries?
Together with Italy, these three Scandinavian countries are the worst performing economies in the entire European Union. Rather than taking them as an example, Europe’s politicians should shun the Scandinavian recipes.
Maybe we should look at what the Irish are doing instead.
As for Capitalism, in fact it was all the working movements against owners of factories after the Industrial Revolution that raised the living standards of MOST of people.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:23 amSure was, but with out a democracy to help them, there would have just been even more gov’t decisions siding with the businesses, instead, eventually they were forced to listen to the public and started to side with them over business in the form of anti-trust and pro-union legislation.
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I can’t wait to see this next Garbage Generation already ruined by Feminism.
Buy stock in security companies! We know what children raised by single mothers turn into …. Thanks Feminism!
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June 27th, 2007 at 11:26 amshane
I was deceived by the insurance companies that gave me a premium estimate of 25% of what the first payment actually turned out to be.
Did you report them to the Better Business Bureau? Additionally, quite a few insurance companies are now starting to provide excellent well child care, you might want to start looking around again.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:29 amAnd why any functional Immigration Bill must include penalties to companies and corporations that do business with illegals. After all, Big Business is why they come here, and can afford to stay here illegally.
Comment by unbelievable
Those laws are already established. But Bush and this administration have chosen not to enforce them. So even if they include more laws in the new immigration bill, they have already proven that they will just ignore them. And once these illegals are given papers and start demanding more decent pay they will be kicked to the curb for the new batch coming over the border which is still wide open.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:30 amEven though the national debt just hit $8,808,830,656,842.57 the conversation is still about wedge issues like immigration & health care. We do need to act on those issues but the big problem is that the government has become autocratic (dictatorship).
June 27th, 2007 at 11:32 amIf we don’t like the music maybe it’s time to change the tune? Maybe, just maybe we can put our differences aside and foster national unity to tackle the main problems of a corrupt government, war and Unconstitutional laws. Soon after resolving those key issues we can then decide on the wedge issues. Naturally, we should call for a national strike/day-off/protest thing or whatever you want to call it since the founding fathers have already given us direction in dealing with tyranny.
I can’t wait to see this next Garbage Generation already ruined by Feminism.
Buy stock in security companies! We know what children raised by single mothers turn into …. Thanks Feminism!
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Comment by jonny
You’re a f*cking moron, jonny.
Where’s your outrage for the fathers who have abandoned their children?
WOMEN ARE IN THE TRENCHES DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WHILE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT FEMINISM.
Is that your excuse, jonny? Is your ex-wife a feminist?
June 27th, 2007 at 11:32 amComment by jonny misogynist hendler — June 27, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Dude, you really…REALLY need to get laid.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:33 amI’ll ask again.
Is your hatred towards women due to your inability to get some action?
Or
Is your lack of sex due to your attitude towards women?
shane > eventually Americans will be jobless or working for slave wages.
Comment by Jay Randal
Too late for eventually Jay. This is already the case for many, many people who used to have good jobs and a decent standard of living.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:33 amI can’t wait to see this next Garbage Generation already ruined by Feminism.
Comment by jonny
Anything and everything that gets under your skin is a ‘blessing’ in my mind.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:35 amYes, squeegee, I mean those Scandinavian countries.
Just ask anyone, where will you live, Sweden or Ireland?
June 27th, 2007 at 11:35 amJoker,
June 27th, 2007 at 11:36 amyour mom’s calling from upstairs.
Jimmy Neutron is on!!!
Now run along and let an adult use your family’s computer
mkay?
Comment by Zooey
Zooey, you’re like the gracious mother any man would ask for.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:37 amJuan C
Just ask anyone, where will you live, Sweden or Ireland?
The one with the lower taxes, higher growth, and Guinness.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:38 amand addition to post my post 147:
Has anyone else noticed that since school let out, we’ve been infested by an unusually high number of illiterate, idiotic trolls?
Coincidence? p’haps not!
June 27th, 2007 at 11:38 amJoker #144,
Newsflash, dads DO NOT “give birth” to children, commie or otherwise!
Poor gender confused Joker, didn’t mommy ever teach you what your “special purpose” was for?
June 27th, 2007 at 11:38 amThe one with the lower taxes, higher growth, and Guinness.
Comment by squegeebooo
That’s why I love Virginia.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:40 amDid you report them to the Better Business Bureau? Additionally, quite a few insurance companies are now starting to provide excellent well child care, you might want to start looking around again.
Comment by squegeebooo
Do you have trouble reading squiggy? I mentioned that only the state can control the limit insurance companies can actuall charge. Illinois allows up to 300% of the base premium to be charged. That’s because our federal government doesn’t believe in putting any controls on healthcare costs.
I went with the union insurance because you receive a contract letting you know, usually for several years how much the premium will be raised. I can afford the $600 well child care but most working families cannot. Everytime a patient defaults on their payment the other patients get charged for the loss. That’s how the amount of a physical goes up to $600.
And I don’t think I need your advice on how to shop for insurance.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:40 am(great, more random deletions today)
TP, how hard can it be to live monitor and delete THE APPROPRIATE posts which violate the Terms of Use, and not just cherry pick?
Sheesh…
June 27th, 2007 at 11:41 amIs that your excuse, jonny? Is your ex-wife a feminist?
Comment by Zooey
You’re too kind Zooey, like that effing loser jonny has an ex-wife. Are you talking about his blow-up doll?
June 27th, 2007 at 11:42 amDeuteronomy 15 is all about forgiving debts as well… Something else the self-proclaimed “true believers†ignore…
Comment by unbelievable
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This edumakated athiest using scripture/bible, that’s funny heh.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:42 amIsn’t the bible a book of fairy tales? But u want people to live in la la land right?
Still determined to engage in diatribe and the national debt is still on the rise to an unimaginable $8,808,839,599,856.36. Sure the Chinese can finance the Illegal Alien Invasion along with the socialized medicine you want. People, the Congress, Judiciary and Executive are corrupted so any laws they pass till the will of the people has been satisfied are for the most part bogus, false or entirely Unconstitutional. Please support the will of the people to remove corruption, stop the fighting and restore the Constitution.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:43 amAmerican fathers need to get off their ass. I refuse to blame women for shouldering the plight to raise children, provide the bread, etc., etc., and otherwise make-up for the burden of a missing parent.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:43 amComment by The Joker — June 27, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Nice try, Jokeweed; you don’t even know me. I was born in 1961, which made me 29 when I was wounded in Desert Storm. Oh, and my dad was killed in Nam in 1972. Nice guy, talking about how he wishes my dad was killed earlier, even before the US became heavily involved in VietNam — I’ll have to remember to share that with him when I visit his grave and The Wall next time, and will share it with thousands of his ‘Nam brethren who still grieve as well.
Meantime, you can continue to have your little nazi bigot temper tantrums in the safety of your little cubicle, using your First Amendment rights that my dad died for and that I was wounded for.
Take that back to your sandbox with your other little five-year-old friends; it’s pretty clear to we adults here who the real internet fake is.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:44 amThe one with the lower taxes, higher growth, and Guinness.
Comment by squegeebooo
You dont know too much about Ireland, do you? You dont see slums in Sweden.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:45 amshane
I mentioned that only the state can control the limit insurance companies can actuall charge. Illinois allows up to 300% of the base premium to be charged.
Yes, however they quoted you at one rate, then charged you at a different rate, which was roughly 355% of the base (450 x 3.55 = 1597.5). Thats bad business, and according to you against the law, and should be reported.
And I don’t think I need your advice on how to shop for insurance.
Well you seem to need someones, you don’t appear to be doing so well on your own.
I can afford the $600 well child care but most working families cannot.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:46 amLike I said, quite a few plans are now covering well child care much better than they used to, it might be worth checking out.
This edumakated athiest using scripture/bible, that’s funny heh.
Isn’t the bible a book of fairy tales? But u want people to live in la la land right?
Comment by Flaco
You upset because unbelievable knows how to use the bible accurately. Unlike you bible thumping hypocrites who pick and choose pieces of scripture to make your argument but ignore the theme of the bible.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:46 amThat’s why I love Virginia.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 27, 2007 @ 11:40 am
CT: I love Virginia as well (Fairfax/Manassas), but have a hard time with the “lower taxes” thing, considering higher than average sales tax, income tax and car tax… And as for higher growth, it might be ok if they could make I-95 and I-66 ten lanes each so we’re not stuck in traffic every day trying to get around due to that higher growth.
But the Guiness certainly is good…
June 27th, 2007 at 11:46 amDon’t know where to post this bit if information – so here it is:
http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/2007/06/northcoms-domestic-special-operations.html
Apparently certain homeland security measures have been ceded to the US by Canada.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:51 amWe have NAFTA, we have the super highway, we have “open borders” and we now have shared homeland security.
Are we indeed inching toward one united states of north america?
Clearly, with a national debt of $8,808,847,149,153.71 it will be impossible for the USA to advert permanent economic collapse into a never ending depression. If we don’t stop this chaos now there will be no social security, socialized medicine, border control or anything else for that matter. We are almost at NINE TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT! Currently the Chinese and Saudi Arabia underwrite all of that debt. Soon OPEC will trade only in EURO DOLLARS. US DOLLARS ARE WORTHLESS! Stick the fork in the US is DONE!
June 27th, 2007 at 11:53 amIts pretty sad that its now considered a liberal idea to welcome people from other countries with open arms.
EVERYONE should welcome people from other countries with open arms… every single person here 3 to 5 generations here immigrated here for a better life.
To not allow that for everyone else is hypocritical, snobbish, and moronic.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:56 amLinda Milezo on the oped new’s site has an excelent article today…I.I.I.I. Check it out, get busy….Tell someone you love them, help impeach and remove the cancer in our administration….Blessings
June 27th, 2007 at 11:57 amComment by Zippy the Other Pinhead
You’re absolutely right, that’s a point I forgot to mention. I live in Fredericksburg, so It’s more of a break compared to the more northern parts of VA. Property tax rate is .62 per $100 of assessed value, along with a tax-relief program for non-business vehicles. The population, as I see it, is also more slowed in growth compared to those areas you mentioned, as well. And yes, I-95 is a mess, but adding 10 more lanes would only invite growth, not put it to a halt. At that rate, we’d be driving on a thirty-lane highway – northbound.
June 27th, 2007 at 11:57 amTogether with Italy, these three Scandinavian countries are the worst performing economies in the entire European Union. Rather than taking them as an example, Europe’s politicians should shun the Scandinavian recipes.
Maybe we should look at what the Irish are doing instead. Comment by squegeebooo — June 27, 2007 @ 11:23 am
You mean take a previously borderline third world country, and subsidize their whole economy so they can reduce or do away with multi-national taxes, to permit those companies a beach-head to produce products for all of the EU, using cheap Irish labor and without paying taxes, infrastructure costs and export duties for the goods shipped into Europe? Similar to the Mexican Nafta over the boarder factories that get you wingnut wacos so up in arms over this country?
Here that folks, squish for brains thinks we should be more like Mexico!
You’re an idiot if you think comparing a country that’s not fully a developed modern economy with one that is. That’s like saying we should be more like India or Venezuela – because the have a GDP that’s 3 times or more higher than ours! You’re a f*cking idiot!
June 27th, 2007 at 11:59 amRepeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity. To be engaging in debate about wedge issues over and over is as insane as the current national debt of $8,808,854,414,545.86
June 27th, 2007 at 12:03 pmIt is clearly time to address the will of the people to end the war, impeach BUSHCO and restore the Constitution.
Zooey, you’re like the gracious mother any man would ask for.
Comment by CT V_1
I highly recommend the use of the f-word. :)
June 27th, 2007 at 12:05 pmRepeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity.
Comment by freedomrings
As long as you know you’re insane, sir.
I read your comment the first time you posted it. Thank you.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:07 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
You’re an idiot if you think comparing a country that’s not fully a developed modern economy with one that is.
Alright, compare them to the US, the UK, Germany, or France then. They still lose out in terms of economy.
That’s like saying we should be more like India or Venezuela – because the have a GDP that’s 3 times or more higher than ours!
No it’s not, because my statement was based in facts.
GDP of the US:$13.21 Trillion (2006 Est.)
GDP of India: $804 Billion (2006 Est.)
GDP of Venezuela: $149.9 Billion (2006 Est.)
As opposed to yours, which is just blatantly wrong. Perhaps you meant the growth rate of the GDP?
June 27th, 2007 at 12:07 pmAmerican fathers need to get off their ass. I refuse to blame women for shouldering the plight to raise children, provide the bread, etc., etc., and otherwise make-up for the burden of a missing parent.
Comment by CT V_1
I should make it clear that I’m not blaming all fathers, or even most fathers. Just the fathers who can’t seem to find it within themselves to take responsibility for their children, and leave it up to the mothers alone.
I’ve actually heard men say this: Don’t blame me, I wasn’t the one raising him/her.
Wow.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:11 pmThinkProgress, I don’t know if you missed this one or you have already mentioned it in another thread:
California Republican Party officials might have violated federal immigration law by hiring an Australian immigrant for a top finance post without ever demanding to see his proof of legal residence, immigration officials said Tuesday.
Ron Nehring, who heads the California Republican Party, admitted Tuesday that he — and as far as he knows, any party officials — never saw the green card that would prove that Michael Kamburowski, an Australian citizen hired as the state GOP’s chief operations officer, was a legal resident.
Feds suggest state GOP broke law in hiring immigrant to key post
Apparently, GOPers are only against illegal immigrants if they’re poor and dark-skinned.
Or, as other people have said: It’s OK if you are a Republican.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI should make it clear that I’m not blaming all fathers, or even most fathers. Just the fathers who can’t seem to find it within themselves to take responsibility for their children, and leave it up to the mothers alone.
I’ve actually heard men say this: Don’t blame me, I wasn’t the one raising him/her.
Wow.
Comment by Zooey
Oh, I knew you didn’t mean most fathers. The numbers of those mothers left behind, however, along with the anger that ensues makes me think that it’s a widespread problem. I know I’m projecting, but I think it’s a big factor that’s driving more and more women into the halls of higher-ed. and into the workforce in general. Because more women see men as less capable in being a stable breadwinner, women feel more compelled to gain some good earning power. It’s not to say that women don’t want to get married and have the task of raising children, they simply want to take on more in addition to that, all while continuing to do the best job they usually do.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:35 pm#175 – Because more women see men as less capable in being a stable breadwinner, women feel more compelled to gain some good earning power. It’s not to say that women don’t want to get married and have the task of raising children, they simply want to take on more in addition to that——-
I would venture a guess to say that IF they want to get married and raise children….they may be delaying the decision to do so in order to earn the skills they may need later in case he turns out to be a cad.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:43 pmThe saying is that “if you’re under 30 and conservative, you don’t have a heart. If you’re over 30 and liberal, you don’t have a brain.”
That’s what the poll reflects. Those kids will become more conservative as they age, because they will become wiser.
June 27th, 2007 at 12:49 pm#177 The saying is that “if you’re under 30 and conservative, you don’t have a heart. If you’re over 30 and liberal, you don’t have a brain.â€
That’s what the poll reflects. Those kids will become more conservative as they age, because they will become wiser.
Comment by muckdog — June 27, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
You know? Now that we are speaking of popular sayings, I know another that could be translated as “If you’re poor, and rightist, you’re an idiot”. Don’t blame me, it’s a fairly popular saying.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWe need to stop the diatribe, in-fighting and defeatist discourse and focus in on Constitutional restoration, impeachment and ending the war that is helping to increase the national debt.
Medicaid is increasing the debt, not the Iraq war. Medicaid spent about $300 billion in 2006 alone!
June 27th, 2007 at 1:08 pmUNB: Sorry to hear that, the travel would have opened the mind of these students, and maybe taught them one thing or two. Too bad for them. I hope you can travel at Europe soon.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:09 pm#35
Did you also mention Japan’s debt, which is double ours? Italy’s, which is 1.5x ours? Canada? France? Germany?
June 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pm#179 Medicaid is increasing the debt, not the Iraq war. Medicaid spent about $300 billion in 2006 alone!
Comment by m12 — June 27, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Yeah, because a war that lasts longer than WWII is free.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pmFormer Sen. Dean Barkley is/was an Independent – not a dem. Please correct this!
June 27th, 2007 at 1:12 pm#185 #35
Did you also mention Japan’s debt, which is double ours? Italy’s, which is 1.5x ours? Canada? France? Germany?
Comment by m12 — June 27, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
The terms “creative accountancy”, “cooking the books” ring a bell to you, hmmm?
June 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pm#182
It’s cheaper than Medicaid. And a lot cheaper than WWII, as well.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pmI would venture a guess to say that IF they want to get married and raise children….they may be delaying the decision to do so in order to earn the skills they may need later in case he turns out to be a cad.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Yes. If I had it to do over again, that’s the way I would do it. I sure am enjoying attending the university now!
June 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pmThe terms “creative accountancyâ€, “cooking the books†ring a bell to you, hmmm?
How are the French, Canadians, Japanese, Germans, and Italians using “creative accounting”?
June 27th, 2007 at 1:19 pm#186 – Careful Zooey,
Agree too often with a ‘repug-lican’ like myself and the ‘lib-tards’ may throw you to the wolves. JK
Seriously though….was your comment drenched in sarcasm or are you a college student? kids? Just curious.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pmSqueegee, why do you think Scandinavians countries are the most prosperous countries in the world. Read about their working movements there and what happened.
They aren’t, except for Luxemborg. Our GDP/capita is $10k higher than theirs!
June 27th, 2007 at 1:32 pmThe terms “creative accountancyâ€, “cooking the books†ring a bell to you, hmmm?
How are the French, Canadians, Japanese, Germans, and Italians using “creative accounting�
Comment by m12 — June 27, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
I did know that the word “creative” would make your head spin. Creativity requires some IQ over 0.
Let’s see: is “creative” to put the expending of the war OUT of the accounting. Is “creative” to not count the unemployed after 6 months without seeking employment. Is creative saying that universal healthcare would cost more than private healthcare. And so on.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:33 pmIn other words, I’m12, the other way around. The actual USA GOP is letting slip so many numbers out of the federal budget published to the public, that it has very little ado with the real numbers.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:36 pm#148
Then you want to move to Hong Kong. With its 16% tax rate, Hong Kong is growing at a rapid pace thanks to billions of dollars in foreign investment.
Not coincidentally, they have the highest rating on the index of Economic freedom.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:40 pmLet’s see: is “creative†to put the expending of the war OUT of the accounting. Is “creative†to not count the unemployed after 6 months without seeking employment. Is creative saying that universal healthcare would cost more than private healthcare. And so on.
What is so creative about any of these? They might change year to year figures, but they have no effect on cumulative public debt, which includes the off budget war expenses.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:42 pmOh, and another question:
Japan’s public debt is about 176% of GDP according to the CIA world factbook.
The US’s public debt is about 67% of GDP.
109% of our GDP is $14.4 trillion. Please explain how “creative accounting” has cut out this sum of money!
June 27th, 2007 at 1:49 pmA new poll finds that “liberal ideas†are gaining with young Americans, who are “more likely than the general public to favor a government-run universal health care insurance system, an open-door policy on immigration and the legalization of gay marriage.â€
Wait until they graduate from college and have to trade their boozing habits for new Democratic taxes!
June 27th, 2007 at 1:55 pmm12, do you know anything about Quality of Life? Or is it all about money?? And I suspect your Japanese facts are skewed. Where did you get them and did this take into account personal savings –the Japanese have a lot of spare capital.
June 27th, 2007 at 1:59 pmhttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/ja.html
June 27th, 2007 at 2:03 pm#186 – Careful Zooey,
Agree too often with a ‘repug-lican’ like myself and the ‘lib-tards’ may throw you to the wolves. JK
Seriously though….was your comment drenched in sarcasm or are you a college student? kids? Just curious.
Comment by SGT Higgins
I often find that if we can just listen to one another, we will agree on more than we disagree. Many of us want the same things, but simply don’t agree on how to get there.
I am a college student! Sociology major. I just finished my first semester. It’s always been a dream of mine.
I’m also the mother of two sons, 24 & 19. Now that they’re on their own, it’s time for me to follow my own dreams. :)
June 27th, 2007 at 2:08 pm#198 – Many of us want the same things, but simply don’t agree on how to get there. — -Ain’t that the truth? It’s the ‘How to get there’ that really gets the fires burning….and while all the arguing and bickering is going on, there’s really not a lot of movement towards the objective, because rather than one camp capitulating to the other in order to achieve the desired goal….the desired goal collects dust while 2 sides bicker over who’s gonna drive.
I am a college student! Sociology major. I just finished my first semester. It’s always been a dream of mine. — Congrats! I keep putting college off (I need to stop doing that) Procrastination has always been that little devil on my shoulder. lol
I’m also the mother of two sons, 24 & 19. Now that they’re on their own, it’s time for me to follow my own dreams. :)
June 27th, 2007 at 2:20 pmAnd it keeps you out of trouble! LOL Thanks for the answer, I appreciate it. =)
“A majority of Americans agree with progresive values”. The right to death?The right to tax ,tax,tax,tax?The welfare state will live forever!The social security that you young ones are paying,you wont ever see it. Granpa and grandma are spending it and they could care less about you. That twenty five dollars you get on your birthday is gonna look like shit when it’s time for you to get old, and you will be old one day. Immigration? You believe we should allow twenty million Illegals into our country? Let’s cut the bullshit! This a melting pot and I love that we allow so many differnt people to our country every year. But if we allow the immigration of this many people in such a short time,were doomed as a country. You will one day,approximately forty years from now,hear this when you call to find out why your social security check didn’t arrive,”Press one for english”. The American youth of today, and i’m one of them,suck at math. Let’s do some math. The average American couple has two kids.The average Latino family has five.Twenty million American couples will then have forty million babies. Twenty million Latino families will have one hundred million babies. Thats’ a fact. How will or can we absorb and support that many people who in their own countries cannot find enough work because the population is growing faster than it can maintain?
The majority in this country live by conservative values. The young are,but they just don’t know it yet.
June 27th, 2007 at 2:34 pmJohnny – #200 – You’ll lose if you define ‘American’ and ‘Latino’ separately. Latino’s ARE American. Don’t use racism and think you’ll get your point validated. What is the’average’ American and Latino family? There isn’t one.
June 27th, 2007 at 2:50 pmDiatribe and comments about what we should do while the national debt is now soaring over $8,808,994,444,333.16 are meaningless. The nation has in all likelihood has crossed the Rubicon and odds are there is little hope of turning back. Our reality is that all three branches of government have redistributed our former national wealth and looted our money to feed their plutocracy. Discourse about wedge issues only serves to divide the nation more. Our efforts must be to unify and start by holding a national strike/day off/home protest day in order to make it clear that the will of the people wants BUSHCO impeached, the war ended and the restoration of the US Constitution. Wedge issues can be voted on after the basic representative democracy is restored!
June 27th, 2007 at 3:04 pmDiatribe and sloth have now led the nation into a national debt of $8,809,000.057.920.56… God help us?
June 27th, 2007 at 3:11 pmAin’t that the truth? It’s the ‘How to get there’ that really gets the fires burning….and while all the arguing and bickering is going on, there’s really not a lot of movement towards the objective, because rather than one camp capitulating to the other in order to achieve the desired goal….the desired goal collects dust while 2 sides bicker over who’s gonna drive.
I think it’s not so much “capitulation,” as it is just shut the f*ck up and work to make sure everyone gets as much as they can, and get busy. Limited time and consequences for missed deadlines are helpful — bureaucracy is the debbil.
And it keeps you out of trouble! LOL Thanks for the answer, I appreciate it. =)
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I’m not really sure it keeps me out of trouble…. :)
The best time for college is as soon as you can get there.
June 27th, 2007 at 3:17 pmJust sayin’
Endless pontifications about “what we ought to do†are no replacement for what we must do. We must put our wedge issues to the side, unify and PROTEST!!! One easy and cheap way to do that is to hold a national day off/strike/home protest. The national debt is choking us, the war is killing us and our Constitution BLEEDS!
June 27th, 2007 at 3:24 pmHey does anyone know how big the national debt is currently? I was wondering about it earlier today, but I can’t find a number anywhere.
Specifically I was hoping to get a number that’s been updated through out the day every hour or so.
June 27th, 2007 at 3:32 pmApathetic Americans will allow everything they have to be destroyed because of pride! Experience the virtue of unity and put aside our wedge issues in order to 1) restore the constitution, 2) end the war and 3) end the plutocratic interests of the dictator! Please support a national day of peaceful protest from your home to send a message that each of us is 1/300,000,000th of the government!
June 27th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThe national debt is now choking us at $8,809,013,143,361.99 and climbing! God help us!
June 27th, 2007 at 3:41 pmfreedomrings
One easy and cheap way to do that is to hold a national day off/strike/home protest.
Striking for a day isn’t cheap. It would cost me a day’s wages. and it could cost some people their jobs.
to send a message that each of us is 1/300,000,000th of the government!
June 27th, 2007 at 3:41 pmSo you want people to realize how marginalized they are?
One easy and cheap way to do that is to hold a national day off/strike/home protest.
June 27th, 2007 at 3:53 pmStriking for a day isn’t cheap. It would cost me a day’s wages. and it could cost some people their jobs.
to send a message that each of us is 1/300,000,000th of the government!
So you want people to realize how marginalized they are?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 27, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Endless debate, pontifications, diatribe, BS and self doubt create people who are pathetic and do nothing except engage in circular endless debate, diatribe, pontifications, BS and more self doubt! Support a national day off to safely protest and save money and energy. Those that would march or rally would need to take a day off then travel to the protest and incur additional expenses. Protestors are often arrested, injured or even killed. From home we can spend quality time with our families and if enough people do it, it will ring loud and true! I am 1 of 300,000,000 people and my word is, “Don’t tread on me!â€
Should I start with the Founding Father quotes that tell us what to do next if the lion share of us no longer trusts OUR GOVERNMENT? Stop oozing self pity and self doubt and start helping to achieve critical mass before we no longer have an inter web to speed that process along.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmWhy must you accuse the other in debate of being a racist? Grow up Sarge. It’s a debate of what is happening to this country. Facts are facts. Our population will explode and we will not be able to handle its reprecussions. Why do you think there are so many that come to this country,the taxes?Opportunity,freedom,and the list goes on.There own countries have nothing to offer them in the way of prosperity and progress,so they want to come here. I don’t blame them. Why does the United States only allow a certain number of foreign peoples to become citizens every year? Why are we about to give amnesty to so many who have and are doing so illegaly ahead of the ones who have waited their turn? Am I racist for asking that. No! But it’s convenient to label me so isn’t it Sarge. Can’t define your argument well,racist Since you label me racist, I have one for you, EMPTY.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:24 pm#206 Sqeegeboo – Google “National Debt Clock” Zfacts has one that constantly runs.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:25 pmSGT Higgins
Google “National Debt Clock†Zfacts has one that constantly runs.
Thanks dude, but I was just harassing freedomrings for posting it about 15 times in the thread, my google fu is strong.
June 27th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThanks dude, but I was just harassing freedomrings for posting it about 15 times in the thread, my google fu is strong.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 27, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
June 27th, 2007 at 4:38 pmHarasser, provocateur, apathetical agent of FUD! March your Jack Boots down another road and don’t tread on me!
Harasser, provocateur, apathetical agent of FUD! March your Jack Boots down another road and don’t tread on me!
So’s your face?
June 27th, 2007 at 5:07 pmIn other words, I’m12, the other way around. The actual USA GOP is letting slip so many numbers out of the federal budget published to the public, that it has very little ado with the real numbers.
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June 27th, 2007 at 6:15 pmthis asshat thinks he knows what he is talking about…
Comment by squegeebooo — June 27, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Oh Lord, why does squeegeebooo hate the United States and all of its citizens so much? While the national debt passes $8,812,167,105,827.82 squeegeebooo insists on harassment as though he was already in his brown shirt and Jackboots. As the war being waged takes more and more lives squeegeebooo plays with himself and professes his loyalty to the plutocrats. Lord why does he hate the Constitution so?
Please support the will of the people and unite to impeach Bushco, stop the war and restore the Constitution by holding a national stay at home day off protest strike thing.
June 27th, 2007 at 6:58 pmMy bid for a new Paris Hilton-free thread:
Tony Blair is rejected by Hamas as Quartet Envoy on account of being “dishonest” and “supporting Israel”….source BBC news.
June 27th, 2007 at 9:53 pm