BREAKING: Supreme Court Strikes Down Public School Desegregation Law
BREAKING: Supreme Court Strikes Down Public School Desegregation Law
In the “biggest school desegregation ruling in more than a decade,” the Supreme Court today ruled 5-4 to reject public school assignment plans “that take account of students’ race.” The AP reports:
The decision in cases affecting schools in Louisville, Ky., and Seattle could imperil similar plans in hundreds of districts nationwide, and it leaves public school systems with a limited arsenal to maintain racial diversity. …
[The case] was led by parents challenging the way race is used to assign students to schools for the purpose of integration.
Like the multiple cases decided in favor of the Bush administration and corporations earlier this week, the majority was formed by Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy.
UPDATE: Read the decision HERE.
UPDATE II: Chief Justice Roberts, who authored the majority opinion, wrote, “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” In fact, a key study by University of Wisconsin professor Douglas Harris, using empirical data gathered from No Child Left Behind, shows that desegregation remains the most effective way of closing this gap:
– African Americans and Hispanics learn more in integrated schools. Minorities attending integrated schools also perform better in college attendance and employment.
– Controlled choice and other forms of desegregation benefit minority students.
– Racial integration is a rare case where an educational policy appears to improve educational equity at little financial cost.
UPDATE III: In his dissent, Justice Stephen Breyer writes:
Finally, what of the hope and promise of Brown? For much of this Nation’s history, the races remained divided. It was not long ago that people of different races drank from separate fountains, rode on separate buses, and studied in separate schools. In this Court’s finest hour, Brown v. Board of Education challenged this history and helped to change it. For Brown held out a promise. … It sought one law, one Nation, one people, not simply as a matter of legal principle but in terms of how we actually live. […]
Many parents, white and black alike, want their children to attend schools with children of different races. Indeed, the very school districts that once spurned integration now strive for it. … The plurality would decline their modest request.
The plurality is wrong to do so. The last half-century has witnessed great strides toward racial equality, but we have not yet realized the promise of Brown. To invalidate the plans under review is to threaten the promise of Brown. The plurality’s position, I fear, would break that promise. This is a decision that the Court and the Nation will come to regret.
UPDATE IV: In his opinion for the majority, Chief Justice John Roberts writes, “Before Brown, schoolchildren were told where they could and could not go to school based on the color of their skin.” But as Justice John Paul Stevens notes in his separate dissent, there is a “cruel irony” in Roberts’s reliance on Brown:
The Chief Justice fails to note that it was only black schoolchildren who were so ordered; indeed, the history books do not tell stories of white children struggling to attend black schools. In this and other ways, the Chief Justice rewrites the history of one of this CourtÂ’s most important decisions.
UPDATE V: SCOTUSblog notes that this Supreme Court term has produced a “higher share of 5-4 decisions than any term in the last decade.”
UPDATE VI: According to AP, the Court has previously ruled that “schools have responsibility to desegregate, even in districts where schools had not been segregated by law.”
UPDATE VII: Roberts’s classification of the integration plans as “discrimination on the basis of race” is directly contradicted by well-respected conservative Judge Alex Kozinski, who wrote in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals opinion of the case that:
The plan does not segregate the races; to the contrary, it seeks to promote integration. There is no attempt to give members of particular races political power based on skin color. There is no competition between the races, and no race is given a preference over another. That a student is denied the school of his choice may be disappointing, but it carries no racial stigma and says nothing at all about that individual’s aptitude or ability.
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Ah, the days of Plessy return!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:31 amThe decision is perfectly reasonable. I couldn’t imagine being assigned to a certain school on account of being white, for one. You go to school according to the district which you reside, and that’s that.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:33 amThis is classic economic royalism.
The wealthy whites in our society don’t want those of ‘color’ or of ‘minimal means’ going to their kids’ schools. They have been trying to find a way around Brown v. Board for 50 years now. First they tried bussing districts to keep segregation alive, then they ran to the suburbs to create new school districts that those pesky ‘colored’ folk couldn’t afford. Now they are doing this.
Sad.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:34 amWelcome back to 1950…
This will simply make sure that the poor go to poor schools while the rich go to rich schools, basically exascerbating the caste system the Bush Regime is trying to establish in this country.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:35 amit leaves public school systems with a limited arsenal to maintain racial diversity.
Maybe more teaching less PCism? Additionally, this should save districts on transportation costs, allowing more money to be spent on education.
Also, no linky?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:35 amThis is a gaood thing.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:36 amAs a Hispanic I don’t need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo.
After all my ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans were.
My ancestors controlled large parts of Europe.
I don’t need Anglo assistance!
Still okay to bus by F&R (free and reduced lunch) in systems. We have had this for years in NC, and it works well to keep the rich from completely walling themselves off from the poor. This was expected since Sc-Alito and Roberts came to town.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:36 amVirtually all of the decisions released in the last few days have been 5-4. The Conservative plot to overthrow the judiciary has been a huge success and we’re stuck with most of these aholes for decades.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:37 amSad.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 28, 2007 @ 10:34 am
Agreed. Because I’ve seen first hand what happens when you pull a poor black kid out of a poor black school, put him in with middle class white kids, and expect him to meet the same standards. He actually surpasses the middle class kids… Perhaps that’s what really frightens the good ol’ white boys in our country? I mean woman have already out performed them, what happens if some poor black kids also get a chance?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:37 amAnd another part of the American dream dies.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amYou Leftists should come to South Florida.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amThere are wealthy Hispanic districts.
With no help from Whitey.
I detest the paternalistic attitude you Leftist Whites have towards us Hispanics.
We don’t need your help.
Things going right according to plan! Thanks Dem’s, once again, for allowing the Fascists take over the Supereme Court. This is the result of your courage to fillubuster during their confirmation.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amThis is a gaood thing.
As a Hispanic I don’t need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo.
After all my ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans were.
My ancestors controlled large parts of Europe.
I don’t need Anglo assistance!
Comment by The Joker
If your ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans, your ancestors were the Moors who civilized Spain. I thought you hated Muslims?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:39 amso its ok to make children ride buses for a hour or longer one way so you can but black children in white schools and black children in white schools?
if the child gets sick you have to drive for over a hour to get to school to pick him up.
what if you dont have a car or he misses the bus how can he get to a school thats hour or more away?
Hows this far?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:40 amComment by The Joker
Your dialogue is effective, Mr. Joker.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:40 amMaybe more teaching less PCism?
You’re ignorant. Teachers are required to teach from a state approved curriculum, to cater to the Federal NCLB standardized tests. There isn’t time for anything but teaching. Some school have even cut PE and recess to get in more teaching of usless trivia for Bush’s stupid tests.
Additionally, this should save districts on transportation costs, allowing more money to be spent on education.Also, no linky?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Stop being so lazy and go google it yourself…
June 28th, 2007 at 10:40 amI am kind of against receiving a place based on race, but I am more against refusing a place based on race.
The republicans say they want to end public education so the consumer can choose which school to send their child to, well why not make choice easier in public schools?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:41 amHey Joker, not all of us minorities can get jobs as courriers to Rush Limabugh and his drug habits or something like that. We are talking about earning an honorable pay! Sheesh!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:42 amThe republicans say they want to end public education
when did they say that?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:43 amWe don’t need your help.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 10:38 am
LOL!!!!
If that were so true, then why did you come here to begin with? Why didn’t you stay where you were?
Because, face it, the infrastructure that wealthy anyone uses to build their wealth comes from those who built the system prior. Otherwise, each time, you’d have to start over, and if you had to build your own roads and water systems, you wouldn’t be able to amass any wealth ever.
My graet grandparents were all immigrants. They all came here because they needed the help that our Democracy provides, that they couldn’t get intehir native lands. At least they knew it and were appreciative.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:45 am#16 Right on. The ignorance of these Trolls is just staggering. They only listen Rush Limpbaugh and Fox, with are the primary vectors of their communicable idiocy.
Serious, you guys are uneducated morons. Learn to read.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:45 amJoker,
June 28th, 2007 at 10:46 amHere in Dallas, which has a MISERABLE public school system, the number of hispanics has put whites and blacks in the minority to such a degree, it’s hard to find anyone speaking english on a consistent basis in most schools. Those who can afford it, send their kids to private school, while those who can’t have fled for the suburbs where the districts have been composed of primarily upper middle class families.
Freedom FROM choice is what we want?
@CT V_1: You misunderstand. The Seattle and Louisville plans were intra-district, i.e., no one was sent to another district!
The Seattle was especially fair-minded. At the end of 8th grade, nearly every student in the district entered their top three choices for high school assignment. In fact, the first factors that were considered for assignment were actual proximity to the school and whether the student had any siblings in that school. Race was a tie-breaker factor that came into play after some time into the process, when popular high schools became oversubscribed and too imbalanced racially. In those instances, the district would try to place the student in her next two choices and, failing that, in another school entirely.
Everyone was placed in a roughly equal high school setting–what’s wrong with that?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:46 amas the whitest middlest class guy here (prolly), i enjoy the comments from the hispanic community saying “no thanks… we can handle it ourselves”.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:47 amim not a fan of forcing anything by race, whether it’s affirmative action, or this school swapping business… when i was at school, there was a lot of “oh…he’s just here cuz he’s black” being muttered in the background…and it causes resentment, which just proliferates the exact same thinking and attitude that it was trying to prevent. im not against sending money from rich schools to poor schools, or it being possible to choose which school you (or your kid) goes to… let those that want to succeed have the opportunity to do so… i just don’t agree with “25% of our students go here so they have some black kids, and 25% of their students come here so we get some white kids…” wtf is the point of that? redistribute the wealth, not so much the kids.
AP: “Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that was joined by the court’s other three liberals.”
Bullcrap. Breyer and Ginsberg are broadly liberal. The other two dissenters, who I presume were Stevens and Souter, were appointed by a Republican president and are basically fair-minded conservatives, the kind that used to control the GOP.
The five in the majority are reactionary jerks. The kind who say:
Race considered in school selection: Bad
Banning student free speech: Good
F*cking neanderthals.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:47 amunbelievable,
“Because, face it, the infrastructure that wealthy anyone uses to build their wealth comes from those who built the system prior.”
CAREFUL! You’re going to destroy their worldview that people only make it on their own. No one who lives the American dream got any help from We the People. They ‘pulled themselves up’ and all that crap.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:48 amAdditionally, this should save districts on transportation costs, allowing more money to be spent on education.
Comment by squegeebooo
LMAO!!! That was really good.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:49 amunbelievable,
June 28th, 2007 at 10:51 amOh so your white immigrant ancestors made it but us hopeless stupid Hispanics can’t?
I just laugh at the racist mind set of the Leftists.
At least the Racist Right is honest.
They say they hate us.
You guys are snakes.
Trying to convince us we can’t make without the Leftists help.
Well screw you!
We made it down here in Miami!
They ‘pulled themselves up’ and all that crap.
Comment by Crump’s Brother
Hahahaha. Good one. Like one troll once gave me examples of rich guys that began poor: Bill Gates, Mark Cuban (?) and some others… you know, really, really poor. :D
June 28th, 2007 at 10:51 amIn fact, a key study by University of Wisconsin-Madison professor Douglas Harris, using empirical data gather from No Child Left Behind, shows that desegregation remains the most effective way of closing this gap:
– African Americans and Hispanics learn more in integrated schools. Minorities attending integrated schools also perform better in college attendance and employment.
– Controlled choice and other forms of desegregation benefit minority students.
– Racial integration is a rare case where an educational policy appears to improve educational equity at little financial cost.
THESE PEOPLE DON’T CARE ABOUT EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. THEY HAVE THE BIBLE!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:52 amGeez…when did Brown vs. Board not apply to schools?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:52 amunbelievable
You’re ignorant. Teachers are required to teach from a state approved curriculum, to cater to the Federal NCLB standardized tests. There isn’t time for anything but teaching.
And you fail at reading comprehension, because apparently there is time to build up an “arsenal to maintain racial diversity” maybe instead of hiring administrators and bureaucrats to develop/maintain that, they could put the money into the class rooms for more teachers or better/more supplies?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:53 amJoker, good comedy.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:54 amThe Joker,
“Well screw you!
We made it down here in Miami!”
You’re welcome! You’re welcome for those roads, sewage system, electrical power, schools, firefighters, police force, hospitals, hurricane relief dollars, and protection of the natural resources.
Glad we could help you!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:54 amPoor Liberals. Time to clean up the schools. We tried your way - it didn’t work. Inciting race every five minutes is no longer a winner.
The Supreme Court is FOREVER!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:55 amNot Canadian,
June 28th, 2007 at 10:56 amThe difference betwen Miami and Dallads is that the Leftists have brainwashed my Mexican brethren in to accepting such conditions.
They told them that they come from a poor country and will never make in America without the Whiteman’s help.
That’s the diffrence.
In South Florida us Hispanics were surrounded by Racist Rednecks who told us they didn’t like us.
So we started our own businesses and depended on ourselves.
Now It’s us Latins that have the economic and political power and it’s the Rednecks who complain about discrimiantion.
We turned the tables on them!
That’s what all Hispanics in America should do.
Rely on ourselves and look out for ourselves.
Then we will have power like the Muslims!
CAREFUL! You’re going to destroy their worldview that people only make it on their own. No one who lives the American dream got any help from We the People. They ‘pulled themselves up’ and all that crap.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 28, 2007 @ 10:48 am
You know how much facts upset them :D
I forget which billionaire said that there is no such thing as a self-made man, that everyone who acquires wealth does so off the system laid in place by those who preceeded us… So true.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:57 amComment by Corley
It’s simply untenable to make a school-assignment decision according to race. Your argument is genuine and considerate, but I feel that the court today struck down an overreaching and convoluted law. I don’t think this should be seen as a roll-back of rights, however. I feel that my state, Virginia, for example, has some good rates of minority achievement, and Virginia can do it without assigning students regularly in regard to race. Perhaps the states in question should be turning bad schools into good schools instead of scrambling to pick a few bright kids to leave the bad schools behind. Everybody deserves a good education.
I hope that in the long-term, I won’t be wrong.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:58 amOh so your white immigrant ancestors made it but us hopeless stupid Hispanics can’t?
What?
Your need to be a victim clearly overrides the fact that I was comparing all of our ancestors…
My ancestors, by the way were Italian and Irish. People who were the Hispanics of their time…
I just laugh at the racist mind set of the Leftists. At least the Racist Right is honest. They say they hate us. You guys are snakes.
For wanting a fighting chance for those born into unfair circumstances? You’re delusional..
Trying to convince us we can’t make without the Leftists help.Well screw you!
We made it down here in Miami!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 10:51 am
You made it because of others. Chuck it all, go off into the forest or desert and do it there all on your own. Then we’ll be impressed.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:00 amTrying to convince us we can’t make without the Leftists help.
Well screw you!
We made it down here in Miami!
Comment by The Joker
Maybe you should go back to Cuba and set that Leftist Castro straight, tough guy.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:01 amSimply outstanding. Another blow to leftist PC stupidity. Bush deserves to be praised as a top flight President just for appointing Roberts and Alito alone. Thank you Mr. President for giving us justices with common sense.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:02 amCrump’s Brother.
“African Americans and Hispanics learn more in integrated schools. Minorities attending integrated schools also perform better in college attendance and employment.”
1st off stop lumping Hispanics and Blacks together.
We have differnt issues and this mproves your racism and your superiority complex.
2nd In South Florida the Hispanic districts do pretty well and there is a large Hispanic Middle and Upper class here.
“You’re welcome for those roads, sewage system, electrical power, schools, firefighters, police force, hospitals, hurricane relief dollars, and protection of the natural resources”
We built South Florida you ignorant fool. There was nothing here 40 years ago.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:02 amWe came built our businesses and paid taxes. That allowed for all thos thing to happen that you mentioned.
I know it’s hard in your racist mind to belive that Spanish people can achieve in America without a the Leftist-Anglo’s help, but we did in Florida.
race is slowly, but surely, becoming a non-issue.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:02 amThe Supreme Court is FOREVER!
Comment by Elizabeth Edwards is An Attack Dog — June 28, 2007 @ 10:55 am
Right, because justices won’t ever get old and die.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:03 amAnd you fail at reading comprehension, because apparently there is time to build up an “arsenal to maintain racial diversity†maybe instead of hiring administrators and bureaucrats to develop/maintain that, they could put the money into the class rooms for more teachers or better/more supplies?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 10:53 am
My reading comprehension is just fine. It’s your communication skills that need work, because that’s not what you said.
We could chuck 90% of the Administrative leeches in the school system and that would fix 90% of the problems… Just because 90% of them are conservatives who justify their $100k+ jobs by causing problems…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:04 amThe Joker,
“I know it’s hard in your racist mind to belive that Spanish people can achieve in America without a the Leftist-Anglo’s help, but we did in Florida.”
Well it’s nice of you to label me as racist an all, but there is no way your going to get me to believe that Florida was built in 40 years. :)
I suppose you think the planet is only 6000 years old as well.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:04 amThe Kalamazoo Promise:
If you attend Kalamazoo schools from K-12, and maintain a “c” average, you are rewarded with a 4 year scholarship to any Michigan university.
Years ago, the affluent middle class (read:white) moved outside the city and suburban schools like Vicksburg and Gull Lake excelled.
Now, with the Promise, you should see the affluent, flocking back to Kalamazoo.
I wonder how they feel about the Supreme Court decision?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:04 amshane,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:05 amAh your racist feeling are showing.
Just to let you know, I’m not Cuban.
We have a right to be in America just as much as your racist Leftwing Leftists do.
My point is this ruling is good as it will fiorce us Hiuspanics to rely on ourselves.
We did it in Florida.
We can do it in the rest of the country!.
“controlled choice” - what kind of infernal Orwellian oxymoron is that? I have to agree with the majority justices here.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:05 am“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.â€
I’m really proud to have such a deep thinker as Roberts as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:06 amIs he a long lost Bush relative or something?
Unbe,
Leaches like this?
93 cited in DISD credit card inquiry
June 28th, 2007 at 11:06 amJuan…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:08 amIf you are here…
do you considered yourself “Hispanic”?
Would that be like if I called myself “Anglo Saxon”?
This ruling is not unexpected.
One thing overlooked in the debate (thank you, Rusty, for mentioning it) is the fact that public schools can, and should, and acheive diversity based on socio-economic status rather than race.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:08 amThis is a gaood thing.
As a Hispanic I don’t need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo.
This is insightful commentary from a person who apparently can neither spell…
With no help from Whitey.
…nor communicate in complete sentences.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:08 am“My ancestors, by the way were Italian and Irish. ”
Did you know Italians were Latins?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amI bet you think their anglko, right?
The Iraish and Italians made it.
So can we.
What you Leftist want is for us Hispanics to depend on you so that way we owe you our votes!
Sorry didn’t work in Florida that’s why you clowns hate on Cubans!
Because they did it without Whitey’s help and in turn help other Hsiapanics here in Florida.
I just love it here.
It’s the reverse oif the rest of the country.
Whites complain about discrimination!
Ha ha ha!
unbelievable
My reading comprehension is just fine. It’s your communication skills that need work, because that’s not what you said.
‘Less PC more teaching’ seems to coincide nicely with getting rid of the people who maintain racial levels in favor of more actual education resources. So I’m not quite sure what was lacking in my communication skills.
Just because 90% of them are conservatives who justify their $100k+ jobs by causing problems…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amHey, you guys created the system (Education Dept) we’re just taking advantage of it where we can, but I seriously doubt that the people who are working on current racial equality issues are republicans and/or conservatives, maybe 40 years ago they were. We tend to be more concerned with actual performance and cronyism than skin color.
Just to let you know, I’m not Cuban.
We have a right to be in America just as much as your racist Leftwing Leftists do.
My point is this ruling is good as it will fiorce us Hiuspanics to rely on ourselves.
We did it in Florida.
We can do it in the rest of the country!.
Comment by The Joker
I don’t care what you are. It’s the Cubans that built the city. With that kind of ingenuity people can make it anywhere. That’s what you’re saying, right. Why not be the pioneers you claim to be and take it somewhere that needs a successful city. Why not walk over the border and build a successful city in Mexico.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amWe built South Florida you ignorant fool. There was nothing here 40 years ago.
No you didn’t. Miami was developed in the 1920’s - nearly a century ago!
I know it’s hard in your racist mind to belive that Spanish people can achieve in America without a the Leftist-Anglo’s help, but we did in Florida.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Then why did you have to come here to do it? Why couldn’t you do it in your native lands?
I’m doubting you are “hispanic” because the PC term is Latino. “Hispanic” has become a negative word among people of native American descent…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amComment by The Joker
I’m half-italian, does that possiblly mean I have some Latin in me?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:11 am“but there is no way your going to get me to believe that Florida was built in 40 years”
Ask anyone.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:12 amIt was mostly swamp down here and alot of dirt roads.
Miami was just a vacation spot, not much there.
Look at it now!
Get pictures of the Skyline from 1967 and look at the skyline now!
Who do you think created all that?
does that possiblly mean I have some Latin in me?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:13 amComment by CT V_1(among others) — June 28, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Well, if it does, I at least hope you got his name and number!!!
Ah yes, the way to eliminate racism is to pretend it never existed.
Sounds perfectly reasonable, now I must go sit on the couch, guzzle beer and scarf down my deep fried sugar coated crap snacks. Where’s that TV remote?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:13 amOhh, update to the original post:
Many parents, white and black alike, want their children to attend schools with children of different races.
I would hope parents would want their children to attend the best schools, not the most diverse schools. If the best schools happen to be the most diverse well thats great, but they should be looking at the districts (and individual schools) performance when they are picking a school district and then school with in the district.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:14 amThe Joker,
“Who do you think created all that?”
um, Americans? You are the one concentrating on your race.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:14 amIntegrating our schools improves our entire society. We have children from every race who grow up together. It opens people to new ideas and different cultures. When you actually know people of a race, it helps you see things from their perspective. You give every race a “human face” in your mind, which leads to more compassion.
It’s beneficial to combine white and Hispanic children for example because the Hispanic kids are better able to learn English and integrate into US culture while the white kids can learn more Spanish and Hispanic culture.
You don’t improve racial and cultural tensions by just ignoring race/culture entirely. You only create more ignorance about anyone who are different.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:15 amokay. This Joker troll may just be the dumbest, least educated one of em all.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:16 am40 years ago? Hell I’m 41, and remember vacationing in Ft.Lauderdale back in the early seventies. That area was quite “bussling” back then.
It was no swamp land, that’s for sure!
I’m half-italian, does that possiblly mean I have some Latin in me?
Comment by CT V_1
Well the way you’re drooling all over Joker you probably have some Latin on you.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amso its ok for children to ride buses for a 1 and a half to get to a school?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amann coulter is a crack addled wolverine ,
If you read my statements I said the Cubans built it! They then helped other Hispanic groups make it here.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amI’m Spaniard/Italian.
My point is that South Florida proves that Hispanics can make it without help from White Leftists who want to make us their helpless serfs!
This.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amI wonder how they feel about the Supreme Court decision?
Comment by DRxJ — June 28, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Excellent post!
I’ll tell you what is wrong with the schools that don’t work. They don’t respect the kids. It really does boil down to the fact that every success story in education - including teh ones in which they make major motion pictures out of - starts with a teacher or a Principal who decides to give the students respect.
In my own classroom experiences, I can tell you that the teachers who don’t respect the students have a lot of discipline issues, while the same students, are productive and respectful to the teachers who they feel respect them.
We have punishment-oriented systems that DON’T work. It’s common sense that people will resist force, but accept relationships founded in respect. But the conservatives who control these systems get off too much on spanking a ‘bad’ kid to consider chaning it… Appalling.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amComment by ann coulter is a crack addled wolverine
Hey, you’re the racist with the explaining to do.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 am“Oh so your white immigrant ancestors made it…”
Our white immigrant ancestors made it by enslaving a race of people, using them to build the nation, and enshrining in law their self-proclaimed superiority so that even after the end of slavery whites would have an advantage.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:18 amCT V_1 ,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:19 amYes Italians(Romans) were the original Latins.
They then settle Spain and Portugal.
The Spanish and Portuguese then settle the Americas, Phillipines and parts of africa thus spreading Latin(Roman) culture.
However for political reasons in America Italians are considered anglo.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:21 amIt was done to divide the Latin peoples.
If you added Hispanics, Italians and Portuguese/Brazilians the Latin population would be 22%.
That would be a big Non-Anglo block.
Our Mulsim masters can’t have that since Latins are their traditional enemies.
The Joker,
It’s funny, because the leftists here are practically using the same “nativist” arguments/rebuttals they constantly accuse the right of keeping in their arsenal.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:21 amJoker,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:21 amwhy is it that you appear to be a 17 year old attention starved white male?
1) No knowledge on history. Thinks 40 years ago is equivalent to 100+ years
2) Keeps refering to himself as “Hispanic”
3) Has atrocious sentence structure and spelling
and finally
4) It’s SUMMER BREAK! and apparently, no date!
Another example of the shame that bushit’s anointed hatchets are destroying the country.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:22 amI would care except for the fact that no one else does
Leaches like this?
Comment by Not Canadian — June 28, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Exactly!
I’m telling you, the majority of the problems in the school system come from Adminstration. There are too many Republican politicians in the system, and they abuse their power…
No wonder we have a 60% graduation rate nationwide… By high school, the kids can’t take it anymore and leave for GED programs or Alternative diploma systems… Sad. It’s truly become their egos over the best interests of the kids.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:22 amMy point is that South Florida proves that Hispanics can make it without help from White Leftists who want to make us their helpless serfs!
Comment by The Joker
Yep, you found us out. Liberals don’t look out for the underprivilege because they care, it’s just to get those votes. And those neoconservatives, they’re the ones trying to help the poor in America. You run with that, after all you immigrated here but you don’t owe anybody anything. Nobody owes you anything. You’re supporting the right party then.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:23 amWe made it down here in Miami!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 10:51 am
South Florida is the exception, not the rule. Hispanic communities in many other parts of the country are not as well-off as Miami. Do you really think you can compare a rich pre-Marielito Cuban neighborhood in Miami to a neighborhood of Guatemalan day laborers in West Virginia? Those are two vastly different economic situations.
School integration is not about “whitey helping the brown people.” It’s about uniting people as Americans, not dividing them into separate but equal enclaves. Perhaps there wouldn’t be so many “racist Liberal” attitudes out there if our schools and neighborhoods were more integrated.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:23 amI suppose the next target on the SCOTUS list are laws prohibiting housing discrimination. That would be par for the course for the five reactionaries on the court. Then it will be on to EEOC, etc. GDumbya’s vision for the U.S. is quickly becoming a reality. How very sad.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:25 amHey, you’re the racist with the explaining to do.
Comment by CT V_1
Hey you guys support the party that prides itself on racism. And you applaud all their racist legislation. I’m just agreeing with you guys, racism is good.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:26 amChief Justice Roberts, who authored the majority opinion, wrote, “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.â€
Right, and now that there’s no compensation for social racism, racism will triumph. All while Republicans return to Jim Crow laws to suppress the black vote.
Thanks, Justice Roberts, for putting your hood back on so we can recognize you for what you are. I’m sure Uncle Thomas is pleased, too.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:26 am.
Bush and his stooges in the Supreme Court are destroying America. US might become another poverty stricken Haiti.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:27 amDid you know Italians were Latins?
I bet you think their anglko, right?
Yes, I know they are Latins. So were many of the dark Irish whose ancestors came from Spain, including mine.
I don’t consider myself Anglo. Never have. I have dark eyes, dark hair, and light olive skin.
The Iraish and Italians made it.
So can we.
Agreed - but they did it upon the foundations of those before them and they were grateful for that… Which was my point.
What you Leftist want is for us Hispanics to depend on you so that way we owe you our votes!
Uh, no. You’re paranoid.
Sorry didn’t work in Florida that’s why you clowns hate on Cubans!
Stop speaking for me. You’re wrong. I don;’t hate Cubans. In fact, I teach my students about the architecture of Old Havana because it deserves to be taught, and they deserve to know that it isn’t the depressed country that their conservative masters claim it is.
Because they did it without Whitey’s help and in turn help other Hsiapanics here in Florida.
I just love it here.It’s the reverse oif the rest of the country.Whites complain about discrimination!Ha ha ha!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 11:10 am
You’ve been brainwashed… That’s just ridiculous.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:28 amHaving been the recipient of reverse discrimination in job selection based on my gender (less qualified females hired before me simply to fill a quota) I hope the Supremes go after that issue next.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:28 amThat’s just great.
The Radical Right will go nuts over this and start filing lawsuits all over the country. Quotas are less than ideal solution, but it acknowledges that there is a problem and attempts to deal with it.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:33 amWhy is the Left so obsessed with race?
Why can’t Leftists see a person as an individual and rather than a skin tone?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:33 amtoasterhead,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amIt’s not just Cubans who are successful in Miami. It’s also Colombians, Puerto-Ricans, Dominicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, Venezuelans and yes Mexicans!
The problem in the other Hispanic communites is the brainwashing they endure from White Leftists. That’s what happened in NY and LA.
They convinced Hispanics that they need the Whiteman’s help to succeed.
I know I wasn’t from Miami originally I was from NY. The teachers all Leftist, would tell us Hispanics that we’re helpless and that because of racism we need the government’s help.
My family got sick of the racism from the enlightened Leftists in NY and moved to Miami.
The last 2 years of HS was incredible.
I learned the history of my people and our achievments.
Pride in our Race and Culture was instilled in us by our Cuban and Spaniard teachers.
We were taught we can make it by relying on ourselves.
I saw it all around me.
I’m glad I moved here.
We have punishment-oriented systems that DON’T work.
Comment by unbelievable — June 28, 2007 @ 11:17 am
A little off topic, but….
What about the cruelest punisment of all?
Making the teenaged body get up at 5:30 am to attend the first class at 7am?
Why is it that an elementary child goes to school at 9am, while a teenager goes at 7am? Convience for the parent, no doubt.
My teenaged daughter looks like Night of the Living Dead when she’s up that early, while my toodlers are practically bouncing off the wall.
Incidently, a study from a school in Minnesota that implemented a later start for high-schoolers showed a drastic increase of grades. If I recall (and I’m too lazy to research), almost all graduating seniors where A students.
Food for thought is all
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amcan we get some updates here? LOL
it seems we are setting the clock back here… though I agree with the notion of going to the school that’s closest to your home…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amAll of this because of 911 and the Iraq Occupation and scared Americans. Roberts and Alito are a fluke. Their decisions will be tossed by rational judges in the future. No doubt about it.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amComment by shane
Yep, right. I can only hope that my own mother doesn’t become half as delusional as you are once she reaches your age.
The criticism of my writing comes from somebody who is a youth-basher and has a really hard time setting a good example for anybody, so your criticism, therefore, is dismissed.
You’ll need to provide substantiating evidence that my writing is “simple,” other than a simple disagreement of my political views.
And if you supposedly hate people like Ann Coulter, why run around calling everybody a fag?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amBut as Justice John Paul Stevens notes in his separate dissent, there is a “cruel irony†in Roberts’s reliance on Brown:
Brown v. Board of Education **flush**
What progress shall we rid ourselves of next….?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amunbelievable
No wonder we have a 60% graduation rate nationwide
Only if you use just the worst set of numbers, and even then it varies from 66 as a low, not 60, up to 82%
http://www.epinet.org/ newsroom/ releases/ 2006/ 04/ 060420-highschoolpr-final.pdf
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amhttp://www.epi.org/ newsroom/ releases/ 2006/ 04/ HS_race_gap-final.pdf
http://www.epi.org/ newsroom/ releases/ 2006/ 04/ HS_grad_by_source-final.pdf
‘Less PC more teaching’ seems to coincide nicely with getting rid of the people who maintain racial levels in favor of more actual education resources. So I’m not quite sure what was lacking in my communication skills.
No… It ties into the fact that many of you claim that teachers are pushing political agendas instead of teaching - when in fact, it is mostly conservatives in Administration who are pushing their personal agendas. However, there are liberal Administrators who are trying to fix the system, and this program in making sure that rich kids don’t get the better education at teh expense of the poor kids is something I support.
I would support ‘less self-agrandizing and more respect’ by Adminstrators so that teachers would be unincumbered to teach… Because, those administrators treat teachers just as badly as they treat the students - and when you assume the worst, you tend to get it, because it’s all you are looking for…
Hey, you guys created the system (Education Dept) we’re just taking advantage of it where we can,
You’re taking advantage of CHILDREN! Hello?
but I seriously doubt that the people who are working on current racial equality issues are republicans and/or conservatives,
I doubt it too.
We tend to be more concerned with actual performance and cronyism than skin color.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Wrong… You tend to be concerned with money and being treated like demi-gods…
And look how badly the system is doing under your leadership…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amJay Randal,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:35 amSo why are Hispanics successul in Florida without help from Leftists Anglos like you?
“I’m Spaniard/Italian.”
Ha! It finally comes out. And he’s been lumping the “Hispanics” together this whole time and discussing their history as a whole. Well, you Spaniards are as highly esteemed in many Latin American Countries as Columbus to the Native Americans. Lumping all “Hispanics” together is completely moronic and shows your lack of education and intellect (read: not your people, just you moron).
I suggest you read some history about the area here…
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Florida_land_boom_of_the_1920%27s
Your revisionism of Miami history is totally ridiculous…
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ History_of_Miami,_Florida
Oh wait, maybe I should be looking in Conservapedia - since wikipedia clearly tries to keep the Spanish/Italian man down.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:36 amWhy can’t Leftists see a person as an individual and rather than a skin tone?
Comment by Ringo
Good one. Neocons are color blind. You’re a genius.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:36 amAhh, our Bush stacked Supreme Court in action.
Soon I’ll be able to drink from the Whites Only water fountain again…
:D
I can hardly wait.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amWhat no one has commented on is that one of the votes that was cast in a ruling that will undermine the ruling of Brown was by Clarence Thomas, seemingly an African-American in name only.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amIt is time to OUT Chief Justice Roberts as Gay. He would be forced to resign leaving skidmarks, because the far-right cannot allow a GOPer to remain in office if revealed as Gay. Lots of them hire male hookers for sex, but it is to be kept secret.
Comment by Jay Randal
Jay, please give it a rest.
I don’t CARE if Roberts is gay or not — it doesn’t matter! If anyone gets rid of Roberts, it ought to be because he’s a crappy member of the SCOTUS. Nobody — especially people who call themselves Progressive — should give a shit about anyone being gay.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amI would hope parents would want their children to attend the best schools, not the most diverse schools. If the best schools happen to be the most diverse well thats great,
But to some parents, diversity is part of being the best. Because diversity teaches tolerance and acceptance - two important qualities to have in our diverse country.
but they should be looking at the districts (and individual schools) performance when they are picking a school district and then school with in the district.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Do you know what the performance is based upon? Clearly not…
Being a teacher, I would say that a school that walks its talk (mission statement of nurturing students) would be prefereable to one with a high rate of test grades. The test scores are meaningless. Go ask any high school student. They will tell you that they memorize trivia for the tests and then forget it because it is useless nonsense. Those tests measure very little of quality. Why do you think teachers are so against NCLB?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:40 amAnd if you supposedly hate people like Ann Coulter, why run around calling everybody a fag?
Comment by CT V_1(among other names) — June 28, 2007 @ 11:34 am
She was providing an example! She doesn’t go around calling everybody a “fag”. that was her play on words for you calling her a “hag”
June 28th, 2007 at 11:40 amAnd from what I know of shane (Go Cubs! or is it White Sox? Heh), she only “supposedly hates” people that are vile cowards who spew venom from their protected shields of a computer screen.
Hey, if the shoe fits…
Joker > I live in Georgia now, so I have no idea what is going on in Florida. But ask Jeb Bush that question.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:41 amokay — i am disappointed by
today’s ruling — but we must
find our way forward, not back. . .
so — permit me to express why this
is not the end of diversity in education,
despite some fairly alarmist-claims to
the contrary. . .
do take a look. . .
p e a c e
June 28th, 2007 at 11:41 amRusty,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:42 amYou don’t know what you’re talking about.
The article doesn’t contradict what I said. Miami was a small sleepy town before the Cubans arrived.
They built it up.
Look at the skyline in 1967 and look at it now.
That’s all the money from us Latins.
Also as an Anglo who are you to judge who’s Hispanic or Latin?
You’re not Latin so stop the dividing attitude the Left does.
When it’s convenient you lump us together. Then when it’s not you divoide us.
Typical racist.
This is, once again, the princple of Laissez-Faire applied to public policy. I prefer to call it Lazy Unfair. The fact is that people of color have been discriminated against and the point of integration is to eliminate any advantage or disadvantage due to race, color, sex, or ethnic origin. It is a perfectly valid program.
This SCOTUS ruling is an abuse of two separate meanings of the word “discriminate” in the English language. The neutral meaning of the word is to “distinguish between”. However, social discrimination means to distinguish between people of class or race and to rank them and treat them unfairly.
It’s a disgrace that the SCOTUS should abuse the word this way. They know perfectly well that all justice begins with discriminating between the act that is unfair and the act that is fair. Judges must discriminate between reasonable and unreasonable facts all day. The SCOTUS FIVE have merely chosen to be Weasel Racists.
To distinguish between groups who, for various socio-economic and racial reasons, have been placed at an unfair disadvantage and those give an unfair advantage and to level the playing field throughout society. It can easily be seen that to leave things as they are –that is, to embrace laissez-faire– is to deny or abridge the rights of citizens.
A person in a wheelchair has just as much of a right to use the stairs as any other citizen. Is there discrimination if one provides only stairs? Yes. Is there discrimination if one builds an access ramp? Yes. But the use of the word discrimination is not the same in each sentence. One implies disadvantage, while the latter suggests equality.
Let’s face it. The Right wants a class society. They like privilege and distinctions of rank. They don’t want a level playing field. And the last thing they want is to have past wrongs righted.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amJay Randal,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amJeb isn’t Governor no more. Charli Crist is.
I just don’t like you White Leftist telling us we need your help.
Well we don’t.
We’ll be fine without you!
And if you supposedly hate people like Ann Coulter, why run around calling everybody a fag?
Comment by CT V_1
You love Ann Coulter, if it’s good enough for her it’s good enough for you.
I don’t run around bashing youth. Here’s a clue skippy, you’re an adult now. I don’t know how long you think you can be considered a child. But 18 year olds are in Iraq dying every day. You think that’s their job and that they should be there. But then you want to hide behind your “youth”.
My 12 year old child has more sense and acts more mature than you do. So I would suspect you’re mother has been more delusional than I am for years. Obviously you play her like a violin, playing the baby and getting away with acting like an adolescent. But to the rest of us, you’re an adult. Why don’t you stop acting like an annoying, over indulgent child.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amI don’t have a problem with this decision. It seems that forcing students outside of their districts based on race is just a quasi-solution to the larger problem of the growing inequality between districts often characterized by race. Solving this problem with policies that encourage the upward mobility of people within the less affluent districts would make this a non-issue.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amThat’s all the money from us Latins.
Comment by The JokerPoker — June 28, 2007 @ 11:42 am
LMFAO!!!!
It’s no longer “us Hispanics”, it’s “us Latins”
again, you can’t make $hit like this up!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:44 amBARTLEBEE,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amTypical fake racist Leftist. Do you really think that could happen?
Do you think Blacks are so helpless that they would put up with that?
Typical of the Leftist’s Whiteman’s burden complex.
My point is this ruling is good as it will fiorce us Hiuspanics to rely on ourselves.
We did it in Florida.
We can do it in the rest of the country!.
We we we. LOL Joker, you sound incredibly racist to me. Besides, if it wasn’t for “Whitey” destroying the Native Americans, those roads and other infrastructure you claim to have built on your own would look a little different. Nothing like people celebrating their heritage while trying to take over the country. Everyone, no matter of heritage, should be able to be successful in America and any barriers, perceived or otherwise, should be eliminated.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amWhy can’t Leftists see a person as an individual and rather than a skin tone?
Comment by Ringo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Because you’re forcing us to by seeing them that way in the first place… We’re simply trying to correct your mistakes.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amAnd from what I know of shane (Go Cubs! or is it White Sox? Heh), she only “supposedly hates†people that are vile cowards who spew venom from their protected shields of a computer screen.
Hey, if the shoe fits…
Comment by DRxJ
Thanks DRxJ, obviously CT_0 couldn’t see the play on words. I’m a Cub fan but the rest of my family are White Sox fans. I really like them both but I don’t tell them, better to play hard to get.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amerock,
“Solving this problem with policies that encourage the upward mobility of people within the less affluent districts would make this a non-issue.”
I agree with you on that! That’s what happened here in Miami.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amThe Hispanics raised themselves up!
Why can’t Leftists see a person as an individual and rather than a skin tone?
We can, but we know that the right can’t and that that racism has to be fought and eliminated. Republicans, on the other hand, can only stay in power through White Fright.
Pretending that we have a color blind society is the fastest way to rescue America’s dying tradition of racism. It’s passive-aggressive Jim Crow.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:46 am.
Idiot, you don’t even know what the words mean. There’s no judgement. They have specific meaning. Get a dictionary before you open your mouth again and make yourself look dumb.
You lumped yourself together. You are an idiot and a fool.
p.s. I hate Miami. Not be cause of the “Hispanics” as you call them, but because it is one of the worst spots for sprawl in the country and will sonn be underwater. Better learn to play nice before you have to move in with the “Anglos”.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:46 amZooey > when GOPers like Roberts are closeted hypocrites, then they must be outed. Remember it happens to be the one thing that makes them depart instantly > for example Mark Foley. I have zero problems with openly Gay people in Congress > I fax stuff to Barney Frank all the time. Being exposed as Gay in the GOPer party is the kiss of death.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:46 amdo you considered yourself “Hispanic�
Would that be like if I called myself “Anglo Saxon�
Comment by DRxJ
mmmm…good question. Im a Latinamerican, a mixture between indians and europeans as the far majority in this continent. Brazil is also considered Latinamericans, of course, although they speak portuguese and have a lot of black population, like Columbia, Ecuador, Venezuela and Peru and the Caribbean countries. I think Spanish, our native tongue make us share a lot with each other, but thinking about it, we are Latinamericans.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:46 am#110 Clarence Thomas is a puppet much like George W. Bush is a puppet.
How long, how long will it be before we are delivered from the Five Sanctimonious Educated Fools who constitute the majority of our Supreme Court?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:47 amRace will become a non-issue when folks stop discriminating on the basis of race. That has not happened yet. I have white friends who tell me discrimination still happens. BTW here in the DFW area, probaly like south FL. there are a lot of poor hispanics who are the recipients of discrimination all the time. Look at the high school drop out rates here if you doubt the problems. High school drop outs are not going to create the south Florida success story here in east Texas.
If good people do not step up and address discrimination it will continue and flourish, to the detrement of us all. Stick your head up your butt and pretend it does not exist, that won’t change the reality millions deal with every day. Segregation is still inherently unequal.
As a black man I beleive in school integration. I live in an upper middle-class area, so the school is integrated because my nieghbors are white and hispanic. If the nieghborhood is all black or hispanic and poor the schools will be segregated and often sub-par. Maybe the situations is based on economics. Nobody is clamoring to bus their kids to POOR white schools.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:48 amWhat progress shall we rid ourselves of next….?
Comment by Zooey
How about we get rid of that whole Civil Rights thingy, it’s so messy anyway. I’ve got everything I need, everybody else, well let them eat cake.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:48 amThe public school system is failing. Every school should offer the same standard of enducation. The problem can’t be about racism. The problem is bigger than that. And, no, I don’t have a solution to propose at the moment - but perhaps the government should take more of an interest in educating its people. Offer the same standard of education across the board. Make university enrollment available to all high school graduates. Offer incentives for performance. Offer vocational school and specialized training for those not interested or qualified to attend university.
I’m not suggesting doing away with private schools, but perhaps raise the question as to the need. We should want to be united as a country and proud of our people. And, we can start by properly educating (and offering the opportunity) to each and every one.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:49 amComment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 11:46 am
June 28th, 2007 at 11:50 amthank you, Juan C
I just wanted to see if a true Latin American would refer to himself as “Hispanic”
A little off topic, but….
What about the cruelest punisment of all?
Making the teenaged body get up at 5:30 am to attend the first class at 7am?
Why is it that an elementary child goes to school at 9am, while a teenager goes at 7am? Convience for the parent, no doubt.
As a nocture, it’s no easier for me either :D.
I agree. It was originally so that the students could work on the farm, or in the family business. It remains that way to appease the footballcoashes. Every year, someone tries to change it in my district, and every year the coaches knock it down…
My teenaged daughter looks like Night of the Living Dead when she’s up that early, while my toodlers are practically bouncing off the wall.
Crazy, isn’t it?
Incidently, a study from a school in Minnesota that implemented a later start for high-schoolers showed a drastic increase of grades. If I recall (and I’m too lazy to research), almost all graduating seniors where A students. Food for thought is all
Comment by DRxJ — June 28, 2007 @ 11:34 am
I believe it. It makes sense. And it’s proof that it’s not about the students…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:50 amunbelievable
But to some parents, diversity is part of being the best.
Choice A: Great Math Program
Choice B: Great English Program
Choice C: Really Diverse
Any parent who chooses C over A or B should have child services look into their parenting, and should have to pay a higher tax for welfare services, because their kids are more likely to need them
The test scores are meaningless. Go ask any high school student. They will tell you that they memorize trivia for the tests and then forget it because it is useless nonsense.
I would tell you that I learned the process of getting to the answer, and it’s why I did better than some of my peers beacuse they concentrated on learning the answer and not the process, so they can’t make educated guesses or logical conclusions to get questions they don’t know correct. The test results will show that difference between students, resulting in schools that do better at teaching the process than the answer having higher average scores.
Why do you think teachers are so against NCLB?
The bad ones because they are used to being unionized and not having to worry about accountability, the good ones because they aren’t getting the funding they need for it.
it is mostly conservatives in Administration who are pushing their personal agendas. However, there are liberal Administrators who are trying to fix the system
Have you considered an argument that isn’t based on the evil conservatives/rich trying to screw everyone else over? I seem to remeber Teddy K being really involved in NCLB, maybe it sucks because of the stuff he got included. So my take on the situation is that it’s conservative administrators trying to fix all the problems Liberals introduced with their contributions to the current situation.
david
June 28th, 2007 at 11:52 amLet’s face it. The Right wants a class society
Every society is a class society.
while Americans slept, bad things happened.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:52 am.
BARTLEBEE,
Typical fake racist Leftist.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Hmmm, typical fake racist leftist ay?
So you’re saying I am pretending to be a racist but I’m not really one?
Ok. Well gee….. er, thanks…..
:|
I think.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:53 amReally really really REALLY off topic
Hey shane, we have friends that live in the Arlington Heights area, and once a summer we usually make a trek to, as my friend calls it, Mecca Wrigley Field!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:53 amWhen we do, maybe we’ll find your bar!
Heh
I just wanted to see if a true Latin American would refer to himself as “Hispanicâ€
Comment by DRxJ
But, and I really HATE to defend somewhat Joker, I do not live in the US and illegal immigrants (Mexicans and Central Americans, mostly) have adopted this “name” in order to defend their identity, IMO. They use it to differentiate themselves from the white, rich guys or the black population.
In a cultural way, I agree with this description and this defense of identity, like Catalans or Basques, but taken it as an excuse to NOT integrate themselves in the community they live, I find it wrong.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 amComment by lamo-shane
“You love Ann Coulter, if it’s good enough for her it’s good enough for you.”
That’s not the subject. I don’t come here to bash gay people, you go rampant calling people faggots, running counter your own party’s agenda of neutrality on sexual orientation. I see that, you apparently dont. Whether or not I care for Ann Coulter, again, is clearly not the subject. If you’re calling people faggots, you’re mocking gays and mocking Ann’s way of doing things.
“I don’t run around bashing youth. Here’s a clue skippy, you’re an adult now. I don’t know how long you think you can be considered a child. But 18 year olds are in Iraq dying every day. You think that’s their job and that they should be there. But then you want to hide behind your “youthâ€.”
Here’s a clue haggy, I think I know I’m an adult. The last time I checked, 20 is still young. And don’t pretend you care for the service of these 18-year-olds dying in Iraq. They can see right through your pretend support. They know you only care for Muslinshiteaters ™. You want them to come home because you want to put the “terrorists,” as you probably call them, back in their cage.
“My 12 year old child has more sense and acts more mature than you do. So I would suspect you’re mother has been more delusional than I am for years. Obviously you play her like a violin, playing the baby and getting away with acting like an adolescent. But to the rest of us, you’re an adult. Why don’t you stop acting like an annoying, over indulgent child.”
Jibberish, didn’t make any sense. Again, you think I’m going to take criticism from child beater? You’re an Islamo-stalinist, I wouldn’t want that for a mother. And stop overrating you kid, please. Your praise here doesn’t count.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 amOnly if you use just the worst set of numbers, and even then it varies from 66 as a low, not 60, up to 82%
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Your splitting hairs. I was using numbers given to me last year by the school system that nationwide the graduation rate is about 60%. I wasn’t that far off.
The national graduation rate for the class of 1998 was 71%. For white students the rate was 78%, while it was 56% for African-American students and 54% for Latino students.
Georgia had the lowest overall graduation rate in the nation with 54% of students graduating, followed by Nevada, Florida, and Washington, D.C.
Iowa had the highest overall graduation rate with 93%, followed by North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska.
Wisconsin had the lowest graduation rate among