BREAKING: Supreme Court Strikes Down Public School Desegregation Law
BREAKING: Supreme Court Strikes Down Public School Desegregation Law
In the “biggest school desegregation ruling in more than a decade,” the Supreme Court today ruled 5-4 to reject public school assignment plans “that take account of students’ race.” The AP reports:
The decision in cases affecting schools in Louisville, Ky., and Seattle could imperil similar plans in hundreds of districts nationwide, and it leaves public school systems with a limited arsenal to maintain racial diversity. …
[The case] was led by parents challenging the way race is used to assign students to schools for the purpose of integration.
Like the multiple cases decided in favor of the Bush administration and corporations earlier this week, the majority was formed by Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy.
UPDATE: Read the decision HERE.
UPDATE II: Chief Justice Roberts, who authored the majority opinion, wrote, “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” In fact, a key study by University of Wisconsin professor Douglas Harris, using empirical data gathered from No Child Left Behind, shows that desegregation remains the most effective way of closing this gap:
– African Americans and Hispanics learn more in integrated schools. Minorities attending integrated schools also perform better in college attendance and employment.
– Controlled choice and other forms of desegregation benefit minority students.
– Racial integration is a rare case where an educational policy appears to improve educational equity at little financial cost.
UPDATE III: In his dissent, Justice Stephen Breyer writes:
Finally, what of the hope and promise of Brown? For much of this Nation’s history, the races remained divided. It was not long ago that people of different races drank from separate fountains, rode on separate buses, and studied in separate schools. In this Court’s finest hour, Brown v. Board of Education challenged this history and helped to change it. For Brown held out a promise. … It sought one law, one Nation, one people, not simply as a matter of legal principle but in terms of how we actually live. [...]
Many parents, white and black alike, want their children to attend schools with children of different races. Indeed, the very school districts that once spurned integration now strive for it. … The plurality would decline their modest request.
The plurality is wrong to do so. The last half-century has witnessed great strides toward racial equality, but we have not yet realized the promise of Brown. To invalidate the plans under review is to threaten the promise of Brown. The plurality’s position, I fear, would break that promise. This is a decision that the Court and the Nation will come to regret.
UPDATE IV: In his opinion for the majority, Chief Justice John Roberts writes, “Before Brown, schoolchildren were told where they could and could not go to school based on the color of their skin.” But as Justice John Paul Stevens notes in his separate dissent, there is a “cruel irony” in Roberts’s reliance on Brown:
The Chief Justice fails to note that it was only black schoolchildren who were so ordered; indeed, the history books do not tell stories of white children struggling to attend black schools. In this and other ways, the Chief Justice rewrites the history of one of this CourtÂ’s most important decisions.
UPDATE V: SCOTUSblog notes that this Supreme Court term has produced a “higher share of 5-4 decisions than any term in the last decade.”
UPDATE VI: According to AP, the Court has previously ruled that “schools have responsibility to desegregate, even in districts where schools had not been segregated by law.”
UPDATE VII: Roberts’s classification of the integration plans as “discrimination on the basis of race” is directly contradicted by well-respected conservative Judge Alex Kozinski, who wrote in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals opinion of the case that:
The plan does not segregate the races; to the contrary, it seeks to promote integration. There is no attempt to give members of particular races political power based on skin color. There is no competition between the races, and no race is given a preference over another. That a student is denied the school of his choice may be disappointing, but it carries no racial stigma and says nothing at all about that individual’s aptitude or ability.
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Ah, the days of Plessy return!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:31 amThe decision is perfectly reasonable. I couldn't imagine being assigned to a certain school on account of being white, for one. You go to school according to the district which you reside, and that's that.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:33 amThis is classic economic royalism.
The wealthy whites in our society don't want those of 'color' or of 'minimal means' going to their kids' schools. They have been trying to find a way around Brown v. Board for 50 years now. First they tried bussing districts to keep segregation alive, then they ran to the suburbs to create new school districts that those pesky 'colored' folk couldn't afford. Now they are doing this.
Sad.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:34 amWelcome back to 1950...
This will simply make sure that the poor go to poor schools while the rich go to rich schools, basically exascerbating the caste system the Bush Regime is trying to establish in this country.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:35 amit leaves public school systems with a limited arsenal to maintain racial diversity.
Maybe more teaching less PCism? Additionally, this should save districts on transportation costs, allowing more money to be spent on education.
Also, no linky?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:35 amThis is a gaood thing.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:36 amAs a Hispanic I don't need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo.
After all my ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans were.
My ancestors controlled large parts of Europe.
I don't need Anglo assistance!
Still okay to bus by F&R (free and reduced lunch) in systems. We have had this for years in NC, and it works well to keep the rich from completely walling themselves off from the poor. This was expected since Sc-Alito and Roberts came to town.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:36 amVirtually all of the decisions released in the last few days have been 5-4. The Conservative plot to overthrow the judiciary has been a huge success and we're stuck with most of these aholes for decades.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:37 amSad.
Comment by Crump's Brother — June 28, 2007 @ 10:34 am
Agreed. Because I've seen first hand what happens when you pull a poor black kid out of a poor black school, put him in with middle class white kids, and expect him to meet the same standards. He actually surpasses the middle class kids... Perhaps that's what really frightens the good ol' white boys in our country? I mean woman have already out performed them, what happens if some poor black kids also get a chance?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:37 amAnd another part of the American dream dies.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amYou Leftists should come to South Florida.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amThere are wealthy Hispanic districts.
With no help from Whitey.
I detest the paternalistic attitude you Leftist Whites have towards us Hispanics.
We don't need your help.
Things going right according to plan! Thanks Dem's, once again, for allowing the Fascists take over the Supereme Court. This is the result of your courage to fillubuster during their confirmation.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amThis is a gaood thing.
As a Hispanic I don’t need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo.
After all my ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans were.
My ancestors controlled large parts of Europe.
I don’t need Anglo assistance!
Comment by The Joker
If your ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans, your ancestors were the Moors who civilized Spain. I thought you hated Muslims?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:39 amso its ok to make children ride buses for a hour or longer one way so you can but black children in white schools and black children in white schools?
if the child gets sick you have to drive for over a hour to get to school to pick him up.
what if you dont have a car or he misses the bus how can he get to a school thats hour or more away?
Hows this far?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:40 amComment by The Joker
Your dialogue is effective, Mr. Joker.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:40 amMaybe more teaching less PCism?
You're ignorant. Teachers are required to teach from a state approved curriculum, to cater to the Federal NCLB standardized tests. There isn't time for anything but teaching. Some school have even cut PE and recess to get in more teaching of usless trivia for Bush's stupid tests.
Additionally, this should save districts on transportation costs, allowing more money to be spent on education.Also, no linky?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Stop being so lazy and go google it yourself...
June 28th, 2007 at 10:40 amI am kind of against receiving a place based on race, but I am more against refusing a place based on race.
The republicans say they want to end public education so the consumer can choose which school to send their child to, well why not make choice easier in public schools?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:41 amHey Joker, not all of us minorities can get jobs as courriers to Rush Limabugh and his drug habits or something like that. We are talking about earning an honorable pay! Sheesh!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:42 amThe republicans say they want to end public education
when did they say that?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:43 amWe don’t need your help.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 10:38 am
LOL!!!!
If that were so true, then why did you come here to begin with? Why didn't you stay where you were?
Because, face it, the infrastructure that wealthy anyone uses to build their wealth comes from those who built the system prior. Otherwise, each time, you'd have to start over, and if you had to build your own roads and water systems, you wouldn't be able to amass any wealth ever.
My graet grandparents were all immigrants. They all came here because they needed the help that our Democracy provides, that they couldn't get intehir native lands. At least they knew it and were appreciative.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:45 am#16 Right on. The ignorance of these Trolls is just staggering. They only listen Rush Limpbaugh and Fox, with are the primary vectors of their communicable idiocy.
Serious, you guys are uneducated morons. Learn to read.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:45 amJoker,
June 28th, 2007 at 10:46 amHere in Dallas, which has a MISERABLE public school system, the number of hispanics has put whites and blacks in the minority to such a degree, it's hard to find anyone speaking english on a consistent basis in most schools. Those who can afford it, send their kids to private school, while those who can't have fled for the suburbs where the districts have been composed of primarily upper middle class families.
Freedom FROM choice is what we want?
@CT V_1: You misunderstand. The Seattle and Louisville plans were intra-district, i.e., no one was sent to another district!
The Seattle was especially fair-minded. At the end of 8th grade, nearly every student in the district entered their top three choices for high school assignment. In fact, the first factors that were considered for assignment were actual proximity to the school and whether the student had any siblings in that school. Race was a tie-breaker factor that came into play after some time into the process, when popular high schools became oversubscribed and too imbalanced racially. In those instances, the district would try to place the student in her next two choices and, failing that, in another school entirely.
Everyone was placed in a roughly equal high school setting--what's wrong with that?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:46 amas the whitest middlest class guy here (prolly), i enjoy the comments from the hispanic community saying "no thanks... we can handle it ourselves".
June 28th, 2007 at 10:47 amim not a fan of forcing anything by race, whether it's affirmative action, or this school swapping business... when i was at school, there was a lot of "oh...he's just here cuz he's black" being muttered in the background...and it causes resentment, which just proliferates the exact same thinking and attitude that it was trying to prevent. im not against sending money from rich schools to poor schools, or it being possible to choose which school you (or your kid) goes to... let those that want to succeed have the opportunity to do so... i just don't agree with "25% of our students go here so they have some black kids, and 25% of their students come here so we get some white kids..." wtf is the point of that? redistribute the wealth, not so much the kids.
AP: "Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that was joined by the court’s other three liberals."
Bullcrap. Breyer and Ginsberg are broadly liberal. The other two dissenters, who I presume were Stevens and Souter, were appointed by a Republican president and are basically fair-minded conservatives, the kind that used to control the GOP.
The five in the majority are reactionary jerks. The kind who say:
Race considered in school selection: Bad
Banning student free speech: Good
F*cking neanderthals.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:47 amunbelievable,
"Because, face it, the infrastructure that wealthy anyone uses to build their wealth comes from those who built the system prior."
CAREFUL! You're going to destroy their worldview that people only make it on their own. No one who lives the American dream got any help from We the People. They 'pulled themselves up' and all that crap.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:48 amAdditionally, this should save districts on transportation costs, allowing more money to be spent on education.
Comment by squegeebooo
LMAO!!! That was really good.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:49 amunbelievable,
June 28th, 2007 at 10:51 amOh so your white immigrant ancestors made it but us hopeless stupid Hispanics can't?
I just laugh at the racist mind set of the Leftists.
At least the Racist Right is honest.
They say they hate us.
You guys are snakes.
Trying to convince us we can't make without the Leftists help.
Well screw you!
We made it down here in Miami!
They ‘pulled themselves up’ and all that crap.
Comment by Crump's Brother
Hahahaha. Good one. Like one troll once gave me examples of rich guys that began poor: Bill Gates, Mark Cuban (?) and some others... you know, really, really poor. :D
June 28th, 2007 at 10:51 amIn fact, a key study by University of Wisconsin-Madison professor Douglas Harris, using empirical data gather from No Child Left Behind, shows that desegregation remains the most effective way of closing this gap:
– African Americans and Hispanics learn more in integrated schools. Minorities attending integrated schools also perform better in college attendance and employment.
– Controlled choice and other forms of desegregation benefit minority students.
– Racial integration is a rare case where an educational policy appears to improve educational equity at little financial cost.
THESE PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. THEY HAVE THE BIBLE!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:52 amGeez...when did Brown vs. Board not apply to schools?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:52 amunbelievable
You’re ignorant. Teachers are required to teach from a state approved curriculum, to cater to the Federal NCLB standardized tests. There isn’t time for anything but teaching.
And you fail at reading comprehension, because apparently there is time to build up an "arsenal to maintain racial diversity" maybe instead of hiring administrators and bureaucrats to develop/maintain that, they could put the money into the class rooms for more teachers or better/more supplies?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:53 amJoker, good comedy.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:54 amThe Joker,
"Well screw you!
We made it down here in Miami!"
You're welcome! You're welcome for those roads, sewage system, electrical power, schools, firefighters, police force, hospitals, hurricane relief dollars, and protection of the natural resources.
Glad we could help you!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:54 amPoor Liberals. Time to clean up the schools. We tried your way - it didn't work. Inciting race every five minutes is no longer a winner.
The Supreme Court is FOREVER!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:55 amNot Canadian,
June 28th, 2007 at 10:56 amThe difference betwen Miami and Dallads is that the Leftists have brainwashed my Mexican brethren in to accepting such conditions.
They told them that they come from a poor country and will never make in America without the Whiteman's help.
That's the diffrence.
In South Florida us Hispanics were surrounded by Racist Rednecks who told us they didn't like us.
So we started our own businesses and depended on ourselves.
Now It's us Latins that have the economic and political power and it's the Rednecks who complain about discrimiantion.
We turned the tables on them!
That's what all Hispanics in America should do.
Rely on ourselves and look out for ourselves.
Then we will have power like the Muslims!
CAREFUL! You’re going to destroy their worldview that people only make it on their own. No one who lives the American dream got any help from We the People. They ‘pulled themselves up’ and all that crap.
Comment by Crump's Brother — June 28, 2007 @ 10:48 am
You know how much facts upset them :D
I forget which billionaire said that there is no such thing as a self-made man, that everyone who acquires wealth does so off the system laid in place by those who preceeded us... So true.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:57 amComment by Corley
It's simply untenable to make a school-assignment decision according to race. Your argument is genuine and considerate, but I feel that the court today struck down an overreaching and convoluted law. I don't think this should be seen as a roll-back of rights, however. I feel that my state, Virginia, for example, has some good rates of minority achievement, and Virginia can do it without assigning students regularly in regard to race. Perhaps the states in question should be turning bad schools into good schools instead of scrambling to pick a few bright kids to leave the bad schools behind. Everybody deserves a good education.
I hope that in the long-term, I won't be wrong.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:58 amOh so your white immigrant ancestors made it but us hopeless stupid Hispanics can’t?
What?
Your need to be a victim clearly overrides the fact that I was comparing all of our ancestors...
My ancestors, by the way were Italian and Irish. People who were the Hispanics of their time...
I just laugh at the racist mind set of the Leftists. At least the Racist Right is honest. They say they hate us. You guys are snakes.
For wanting a fighting chance for those born into unfair circumstances? You're delusional..
Trying to convince us we can’t make without the Leftists help.Well screw you!
We made it down here in Miami!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 10:51 am
You made it because of others. Chuck it all, go off into the forest or desert and do it there all on your own. Then we'll be impressed.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:00 amTrying to convince us we can’t make without the Leftists help.
Well screw you!
We made it down here in Miami!
Comment by The Joker
Maybe you should go back to Cuba and set that Leftist Castro straight, tough guy.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:01 amSimply outstanding. Another blow to leftist PC stupidity. Bush deserves to be praised as a top flight President just for appointing Roberts and Alito alone. Thank you Mr. President for giving us justices with common sense.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:02 amCrump's Brother.
"African Americans and Hispanics learn more in integrated schools. Minorities attending integrated schools also perform better in college attendance and employment."
1st off stop lumping Hispanics and Blacks together.
We have differnt issues and this mproves your racism and your superiority complex.
2nd In South Florida the Hispanic districts do pretty well and there is a large Hispanic Middle and Upper class here.
"You’re welcome for those roads, sewage system, electrical power, schools, firefighters, police force, hospitals, hurricane relief dollars, and protection of the natural resources"
We built South Florida you ignorant fool. There was nothing here 40 years ago.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:02 amWe came built our businesses and paid taxes. That allowed for all thos thing to happen that you mentioned.
I know it's hard in your racist mind to belive that Spanish people can achieve in America without a the Leftist-Anglo's help, but we did in Florida.
race is slowly, but surely, becoming a non-issue.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:02 amThe Supreme Court is FOREVER!
Comment by Elizabeth Edwards is An Attack Dog — June 28, 2007 @ 10:55 am
Right, because justices won't ever get old and die.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:03 amAnd you fail at reading comprehension, because apparently there is time to build up an “arsenal to maintain racial diversity†maybe instead of hiring administrators and bureaucrats to develop/maintain that, they could put the money into the class rooms for more teachers or better/more supplies?
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 10:53 am
My reading comprehension is just fine. It's your communication skills that need work, because that's not what you said.
We could chuck 90% of the Administrative leeches in the school system and that would fix 90% of the problems... Just because 90% of them are conservatives who justify their $100k+ jobs by causing problems...
June 28th, 2007 at 11:04 amThe Joker,
"I know it’s hard in your racist mind to belive that Spanish people can achieve in America without a the Leftist-Anglo’s help, but we did in Florida."
Well it's nice of you to label me as racist an all, but there is no way your going to get me to believe that Florida was built in 40 years. :)
I suppose you think the planet is only 6000 years old as well.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:04 amThe Kalamazoo Promise:
If you attend Kalamazoo schools from K-12, and maintain a "c" average, you are rewarded with a 4 year scholarship to any Michigan university.
Years ago, the affluent middle class (read:white) moved outside the city and suburban schools like Vicksburg and Gull Lake excelled.
Now, with the Promise, you should see the affluent, flocking back to Kalamazoo.
I wonder how they feel about the Supreme Court decision?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:04 amshane,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:05 amAh your racist feeling are showing.
Just to let you know, I'm not Cuban.
We have a right to be in America just as much as your racist Leftwing Leftists do.
My point is this ruling is good as it will fiorce us Hiuspanics to rely on ourselves.
We did it in Florida.
We can do it in the rest of the country!.
"controlled choice" - what kind of infernal Orwellian oxymoron is that? I have to agree with the majority justices here.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:05 am“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.â€
I'm really proud to have such a deep thinker as Roberts as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:06 amIs he a long lost Bush relative or something?
Unbe,
Leaches like this?
93 cited in DISD credit card inquiry
June 28th, 2007 at 11:06 am
Juan...
June 28th, 2007 at 11:08 amIf you are here...
do you considered yourself "Hispanic"?
Would that be like if I called myself "Anglo Saxon"?
This ruling is not unexpected.
One thing overlooked in the debate (thank you, Rusty, for mentioning it) is the fact that public schools can, and should, and acheive diversity based on socio-economic status rather than race.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:08 amThis is a gaood thing.
As a Hispanic I don’t need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo.
This is insightful commentary from a person who apparently can neither spell...
With no help from Whitey.
...nor communicate in complete sentences.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:08 am"My ancestors, by the way were Italian and Irish. "
Did you know Italians were Latins?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amI bet you think their anglko, right?
The Iraish and Italians made it.
So can we.
What you Leftist want is for us Hispanics to depend on you so that way we owe you our votes!
Sorry didn't work in Florida that's why you clowns hate on Cubans!
Because they did it without Whitey's help and in turn help other Hsiapanics here in Florida.
I just love it here.
It's the reverse oif the rest of the country.
Whites complain about discrimination!
Ha ha ha!
unbelievable
My reading comprehension is just fine. It’s your communication skills that need work, because that’s not what you said.
'Less PC more teaching' seems to coincide nicely with getting rid of the people who maintain racial levels in favor of more actual education resources. So I'm not quite sure what was lacking in my communication skills.
Just because 90% of them are conservatives who justify their $100k+ jobs by causing problems…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amHey, you guys created the system (Education Dept) we're just taking advantage of it where we can, but I seriously doubt that the people who are working on current racial equality issues are republicans and/or conservatives, maybe 40 years ago they were. We tend to be more concerned with actual performance and cronyism than skin color.
Just to let you know, I’m not Cuban.
We have a right to be in America just as much as your racist Leftwing Leftists do.
My point is this ruling is good as it will fiorce us Hiuspanics to rely on ourselves.
We did it in Florida.
We can do it in the rest of the country!.
Comment by The Joker
I don't care what you are. It's the Cubans that built the city. With that kind of ingenuity people can make it anywhere. That's what you're saying, right. Why not be the pioneers you claim to be and take it somewhere that needs a successful city. Why not walk over the border and build a successful city in Mexico.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amWe built South Florida you ignorant fool. There was nothing here 40 years ago.
No you didn't. Miami was developed in the 1920's - nearly a century ago!
I know it’s hard in your racist mind to belive that Spanish people can achieve in America without a the Leftist-Anglo’s help, but we did in Florida.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Then why did you have to come here to do it? Why couldn't you do it in your native lands?
I'm doubting you are "hispanic" because the PC term is Latino. "Hispanic" has become a negative word among people of native American descent...
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 amComment by The Joker
I'm half-italian, does that possiblly mean I have some Latin in me?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:11 am"but there is no way your going to get me to believe that Florida was built in 40 years"
Ask anyone.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:12 amIt was mostly swamp down here and alot of dirt roads.
Miami was just a vacation spot, not much there.
Look at it now!
Get pictures of the Skyline from 1967 and look at the skyline now!
Who do you think created all that?
does that possiblly mean I have some Latin in me?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:13 amComment by CT V_1(among others) — June 28, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Well, if it does, I at least hope you got his name and number!!!
Ah yes, the way to eliminate racism is to pretend it never existed.
Sounds perfectly reasonable, now I must go sit on the couch, guzzle beer and scarf down my deep fried sugar coated crap snacks. Where's that TV remote?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:13 amOhh, update to the original post:
Many parents, white and black alike, want their children to attend schools with children of different races.
I would hope parents would want their children to attend the best schools, not the most diverse schools. If the best schools happen to be the most diverse well thats great, but they should be looking at the districts (and individual schools) performance when they are picking a school district and then school with in the district.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:14 amThe Joker,
"Who do you think created all that?"
um, Americans? You are the one concentrating on your race.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:14 amIntegrating our schools improves our entire society. We have children from every race who grow up together. It opens people to new ideas and different cultures. When you actually know people of a race, it helps you see things from their perspective. You give every race a "human face" in your mind, which leads to more compassion.
It's beneficial to combine white and Hispanic children for example because the Hispanic kids are better able to learn English and integrate into US culture while the white kids can learn more Spanish and Hispanic culture.
You don't improve racial and cultural tensions by just ignoring race/culture entirely. You only create more ignorance about anyone who are different.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:15 amokay. This Joker troll may just be the dumbest, least educated one of em all.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:16 am40 years ago? Hell I'm 41, and remember vacationing in Ft.Lauderdale back in the early seventies. That area was quite "bussling" back then.
It was no swamp land, that's for sure!
I’m half-italian, does that possiblly mean I have some Latin in me?
Comment by CT V_1
Well the way you're drooling all over Joker you probably have some Latin on you.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amso its ok for children to ride buses for a 1 and a half to get to a school?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amann coulter is a crack addled wolverine ,
If you read my statements I said the Cubans built it! They then helped other Hispanic groups make it here.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amI'm Spaniard/Italian.
My point is that South Florida proves that Hispanics can make it without help from White Leftists who want to make us their helpless serfs!
This.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amI wonder how they feel about the Supreme Court decision?
Comment by DRxJ — June 28, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Excellent post!
I'll tell you what is wrong with the schools that don't work. They don't respect the kids. It really does boil down to the fact that every success story in education - including teh ones in which they make major motion pictures out of - starts with a teacher or a Principal who decides to give the students respect.
In my own classroom experiences, I can tell you that the teachers who don't respect the students have a lot of discipline issues, while the same students, are productive and respectful to the teachers who they feel respect them.
We have punishment-oriented systems that DON'T work. It's common sense that people will resist force, but accept relationships founded in respect. But the conservatives who control these systems get off too much on spanking a 'bad' kid to consider chaning it... Appalling.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 amComment by ann coulter is a crack addled wolverine
Hey, you're the racist with the explaining to do.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 am"Oh so your white immigrant ancestors made it..."
Our white immigrant ancestors made it by enslaving a race of people, using them to build the nation, and enshrining in law their self-proclaimed superiority so that even after the end of slavery whites would have an advantage.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:18 amCT V_1 ,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:19 amYes Italians(Romans) were the original Latins.
They then settle Spain and Portugal.
The Spanish and Portuguese then settle the Americas, Phillipines and parts of africa thus spreading Latin(Roman) culture.
However for political reasons in America Italians are considered anglo.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:21 amIt was done to divide the Latin peoples.
If you added Hispanics, Italians and Portuguese/Brazilians the Latin population would be 22%.
That would be a big Non-Anglo block.
Our Mulsim masters can't have that since Latins are their traditional enemies.
The Joker,
It's funny, because the leftists here are practically using the same "nativist" arguments/rebuttals they constantly accuse the right of keeping in their arsenal.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:21 amJoker,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:21 amwhy is it that you appear to be a 17 year old attention starved white male?
1) No knowledge on history. Thinks 40 years ago is equivalent to 100+ years
2) Keeps refering to himself as "Hispanic"
3) Has atrocious sentence structure and spelling
and finally
4) It's SUMMER BREAK! and apparently, no date!
Another example of the shame that bushit's anointed hatchets are destroying the country.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:22 amI would care except for the fact that no one else does
Leaches like this?
Comment by Not Canadian — June 28, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Exactly!
I'm telling you, the majority of the problems in the school system come from Adminstration. There are too many Republican politicians in the system, and they abuse their power...
No wonder we have a 60% graduation rate nationwide... By high school, the kids can't take it anymore and leave for GED programs or Alternative diploma systems... Sad. It's truly become their egos over the best interests of the kids.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:22 amMy point is that South Florida proves that Hispanics can make it without help from White Leftists who want to make us their helpless serfs!
Comment by The Joker
Yep, you found us out. Liberals don't look out for the underprivilege because they care, it's just to get those votes. And those neoconservatives, they're the ones trying to help the poor in America. You run with that, after all you immigrated here but you don't owe anybody anything. Nobody owes you anything. You're supporting the right party then.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:23 amWe made it down here in Miami!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 10:51 am
South Florida is the exception, not the rule. Hispanic communities in many other parts of the country are not as well-off as Miami. Do you really think you can compare a rich pre-Marielito Cuban neighborhood in Miami to a neighborhood of Guatemalan day laborers in West Virginia? Those are two vastly different economic situations.
School integration is not about "whitey helping the brown people." It's about uniting people as Americans, not dividing them into separate but equal enclaves. Perhaps there wouldn't be so many "racist Liberal" attitudes out there if our schools and neighborhoods were more integrated.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:23 amI suppose the next target on the SCOTUS list are laws prohibiting housing discrimination. That would be par for the course for the five reactionaries on the court. Then it will be on to EEOC, etc. GDumbya's vision for the U.S. is quickly becoming a reality. How very sad.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:25 amHey, you’re the racist with the explaining to do.
Comment by CT V_1
Hey you guys support the party that prides itself on racism. And you applaud all their racist legislation. I'm just agreeing with you guys, racism is good.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:26 amChief Justice Roberts, who authored the majority opinion, wrote, “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.â€
Right, and now that there's no compensation for social racism, racism will triumph. All while Republicans return to Jim Crow laws to suppress the black vote.
Thanks, Justice Roberts, for putting your hood back on so we can recognize you for what you are. I'm sure Uncle Thomas is pleased, too.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:26 am.
Bush and his stooges in the Supreme Court are destroying America. US might become another poverty stricken Haiti.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:27 amDid you know Italians were Latins?
I bet you think their anglko, right?
Yes, I know they are Latins. So were many of the dark Irish whose ancestors came from Spain, including mine.
I don't consider myself Anglo. Never have. I have dark eyes, dark hair, and light olive skin.
The Iraish and Italians made it.
So can we.
Agreed - but they did it upon the foundations of those before them and they were grateful for that... Which was my point.
What you Leftist want is for us Hispanics to depend on you so that way we owe you our votes!
Uh, no. You're paranoid.
Sorry didn’t work in Florida that’s why you clowns hate on Cubans!
Stop speaking for me. You're wrong. I don;'t hate Cubans. In fact, I teach my students about the architecture of Old Havana because it deserves to be taught, and they deserve to know that it isn't the depressed country that their conservative masters claim it is.
Because they did it without Whitey’s help and in turn help other Hsiapanics here in Florida.
I just love it here.It’s the reverse oif the rest of the country.Whites complain about discrimination!Ha ha ha!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 11:10 am
You've been brainwashed... That's just ridiculous.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:28 amHaving been the recipient of reverse discrimination in job selection based on my gender (less qualified females hired before me simply to fill a quota) I hope the Supremes go after that issue next.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:28 amThat's just great.
The Radical Right will go nuts over this and start filing lawsuits all over the country. Quotas are less than ideal solution, but it acknowledges that there is a problem and attempts to deal with it.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:33 amWhy is the Left so obsessed with race?
Why can't Leftists see a person as an individual and rather than a skin tone?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:33 amtoasterhead,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amIt's not just Cubans who are successful in Miami. It's also Colombians, Puerto-Ricans, Dominicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, Venezuelans and yes Mexicans!
The problem in the other Hispanic communites is the brainwashing they endure from White Leftists. That's what happened in NY and LA.
They convinced Hispanics that they need the Whiteman's help to succeed.
I know I wasn't from Miami originally I was from NY. The teachers all Leftist, would tell us Hispanics that we're helpless and that because of racism we need the government's help.
My family got sick of the racism from the enlightened Leftists in NY and moved to Miami.
The last 2 years of HS was incredible.
I learned the history of my people and our achievments.
Pride in our Race and Culture was instilled in us by our Cuban and Spaniard teachers.
We were taught we can make it by relying on ourselves.
I saw it all around me.
I'm glad I moved here.
We have punishment-oriented systems that DON’T work.
Comment by unbelievable — June 28, 2007 @ 11:17 am
A little off topic, but....
What about the cruelest punisment of all?
Making the teenaged body get up at 5:30 am to attend the first class at 7am?
Why is it that an elementary child goes to school at 9am, while a teenager goes at 7am? Convience for the parent, no doubt.
My teenaged daughter looks like Night of the Living Dead when she's up that early, while my toodlers are practically bouncing off the wall.
Incidently, a study from a school in Minnesota that implemented a later start for high-schoolers showed a drastic increase of grades. If I recall (and I'm too lazy to research), almost all graduating seniors where A students.
Food for thought is all
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amcan we get some updates here? LOL
it seems we are setting the clock back here... though I agree with the notion of going to the school that's closest to your home...
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amAll of this because of 911 and the Iraq Occupation and scared Americans. Roberts and Alito are a fluke. Their decisions will be tossed by rational judges in the future. No doubt about it.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amComment by shane
Yep, right. I can only hope that my own mother doesn't become half as delusional as you are once she reaches your age.
The criticism of my writing comes from somebody who is a youth-basher and has a really hard time setting a good example for anybody, so your criticism, therefore, is dismissed.
You'll need to provide substantiating evidence that my writing is "simple," other than a simple disagreement of my political views.
And if you supposedly hate people like Ann Coulter, why run around calling everybody a fag?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amBut as Justice John Paul Stevens notes in his separate dissent, there is a “cruel irony†in Roberts’s reliance on Brown:
Brown v. Board of Education **flush**
What progress shall we rid ourselves of next....?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amunbelievable
No wonder we have a 60% graduation rate nationwide
Only if you use just the worst set of numbers, and even then it varies from 66 as a low, not 60, up to 82%
http://www.epinet.org/newsroom/releases/2006/04/060420-highschoolpr-final.pdf
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amhttp://www.epi.org/newsroom/releases/2006/04/HS_race_gap-final.pdf
http://www.epi.org/newsroom/releases/2006/04/HS_grad_by_source-final.pdf
‘Less PC more teaching’ seems to coincide nicely with getting rid of the people who maintain racial levels in favor of more actual education resources. So I’m not quite sure what was lacking in my communication skills.
No... It ties into the fact that many of you claim that teachers are pushing political agendas instead of teaching - when in fact, it is mostly conservatives in Administration who are pushing their personal agendas. However, there are liberal Administrators who are trying to fix the system, and this program in making sure that rich kids don't get the better education at teh expense of the poor kids is something I support.
I would support 'less self-agrandizing and more respect' by Adminstrators so that teachers would be unincumbered to teach... Because, those administrators treat teachers just as badly as they treat the students - and when you assume the worst, you tend to get it, because it's all you are looking for...
Hey, you guys created the system (Education Dept) we’re just taking advantage of it where we can,
You're taking advantage of CHILDREN! Hello?
but I seriously doubt that the people who are working on current racial equality issues are republicans and/or conservatives,
I doubt it too.
We tend to be more concerned with actual performance and cronyism than skin color.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Wrong... You tend to be concerned with money and being treated like demi-gods...
And look how badly the system is doing under your leadership...
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amJay Randal,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:35 amSo why are Hispanics successul in Florida without help from Leftists Anglos like you?
"I’m Spaniard/Italian."
Ha! It finally comes out. And he's been lumping the "Hispanics" together this whole time and discussing their history as a whole. Well, you Spaniards are as highly esteemed in many Latin American Countries as Columbus to the Native Americans. Lumping all "Hispanics" together is completely moronic and shows your lack of education and intellect (read: not your people, just you moron).
I suggest you read some history about the area here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_land_boom_of_the_1920%27s
Your revisionism of Miami history is totally ridiculous...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Miami,_Florida
Oh wait, maybe I should be looking in Conservapedia - since wikipedia clearly tries to keep the Spanish/Italian man down.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:36 amWhy can’t Leftists see a person as an individual and rather than a skin tone?
Comment by Ringo
Good one. Neocons are color blind. You're a genius.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:36 amAhh, our Bush stacked Supreme Court in action.
Soon I'll be able to drink from the Whites Only water fountain again...
:D
I can hardly wait.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amWhat no one has commented on is that one of the votes that was cast in a ruling that will undermine the ruling of Brown was by Clarence Thomas, seemingly an African-American in name only.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amIt is time to OUT Chief Justice Roberts as Gay. He would be forced to resign leaving skidmarks, because the far-right cannot allow a GOPer to remain in office if revealed as Gay. Lots of them hire male hookers for sex, but it is to be kept secret.
Comment by Jay Randal
Jay, please give it a rest.
I don't CARE if Roberts is gay or not -- it doesn't matter! If anyone gets rid of Roberts, it ought to be because he's a crappy member of the SCOTUS. Nobody -- especially people who call themselves Progressive -- should give a shit about anyone being gay.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amI would hope parents would want their children to attend the best schools, not the most diverse schools. If the best schools happen to be the most diverse well thats great,
But to some parents, diversity is part of being the best. Because diversity teaches tolerance and acceptance - two important qualities to have in our diverse country.
but they should be looking at the districts (and individual schools) performance when they are picking a school district and then school with in the district.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Do you know what the performance is based upon? Clearly not...
Being a teacher, I would say that a school that walks its talk (mission statement of nurturing students) would be prefereable to one with a high rate of test grades. The test scores are meaningless. Go ask any high school student. They will tell you that they memorize trivia for the tests and then forget it because it is useless nonsense. Those tests measure very little of quality. Why do you think teachers are so against NCLB?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:40 amAnd if you supposedly hate people like Ann Coulter, why run around calling everybody a fag?
Comment by CT V_1(among other names) — June 28, 2007 @ 11:34 am
She was providing an example! She doesn't go around calling everybody a "fag". that was her play on words for you calling her a "hag"
June 28th, 2007 at 11:40 amAnd from what I know of shane (Go Cubs! or is it White Sox? Heh), she only "supposedly hates" people that are vile cowards who spew venom from their protected shields of a computer screen.
Hey, if the shoe fits...
Joker > I live in Georgia now, so I have no idea what is going on in Florida. But ask Jeb Bush that question.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:41 amokay -- i am disappointed by
today's ruling -- but we must
find our way forward, not back. . .
so -- permit me to express why this
is not the end of diversity in education,
despite some fairly alarmist-claims to
the contrary. . .
do take a look. . .
p e a c e
June 28th, 2007 at 11:41 amRusty,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:42 amYou don't know what you're talking about.
The article doesn't contradict what I said. Miami was a small sleepy town before the Cubans arrived.
They built it up.
Look at the skyline in 1967 and look at it now.
That's all the money from us Latins.
Also as an Anglo who are you to judge who's Hispanic or Latin?
You're not Latin so stop the dividing attitude the Left does.
When it's convenient you lump us together. Then when it's not you divoide us.
Typical racist.
This is, once again, the princple of Laissez-Faire applied to public policy. I prefer to call it Lazy Unfair. The fact is that people of color have been discriminated against and the point of integration is to eliminate any advantage or disadvantage due to race, color, sex, or ethnic origin. It is a perfectly valid program.
This SCOTUS ruling is an abuse of two separate meanings of the word "discriminate" in the English language. The neutral meaning of the word is to "distinguish between". However, social discrimination means to distinguish between people of class or race and to rank them and treat them unfairly.
It's a disgrace that the SCOTUS should abuse the word this way. They know perfectly well that all justice begins with discriminating between the act that is unfair and the act that is fair. Judges must discriminate between reasonable and unreasonable facts all day. The SCOTUS FIVE have merely chosen to be Weasel Racists.
To distinguish between groups who, for various socio-economic and racial reasons, have been placed at an unfair disadvantage and those give an unfair advantage and to level the playing field throughout society. It can easily be seen that to leave things as they are --that is, to embrace laissez-faire-- is to deny or abridge the rights of citizens.
A person in a wheelchair has just as much of a right to use the stairs as any other citizen. Is there discrimination if one provides only stairs? Yes. Is there discrimination if one builds an access ramp? Yes. But the use of the word discrimination is not the same in each sentence. One implies disadvantage, while the latter suggests equality.
Let's face it. The Right wants a class society. They like privilege and distinctions of rank. They don't want a level playing field. And the last thing they want is to have past wrongs righted.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amJay Randal,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amJeb isn't Governor no more. Charli Crist is.
I just don't like you White Leftist telling us we need your help.
Well we don't.
We'll be fine without you!
And if you supposedly hate people like Ann Coulter, why run around calling everybody a fag?
Comment by CT V_1
You love Ann Coulter, if it's good enough for her it's good enough for you.
I don't run around bashing youth. Here's a clue skippy, you're an adult now. I don't know how long you think you can be considered a child. But 18 year olds are in Iraq dying every day. You think that's their job and that they should be there. But then you want to hide behind your "youth".
My 12 year old child has more sense and acts more mature than you do. So I would suspect you're mother has been more delusional than I am for years. Obviously you play her like a violin, playing the baby and getting away with acting like an adolescent. But to the rest of us, you're an adult. Why don't you stop acting like an annoying, over indulgent child.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amI don't have a problem with this decision. It seems that forcing students outside of their districts based on race is just a quasi-solution to the larger problem of the growing inequality between districts often characterized by race. Solving this problem with policies that encourage the upward mobility of people within the less affluent districts would make this a non-issue.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amThat’s all the money from us Latins.
Comment by The JokerPoker — June 28, 2007 @ 11:42 am
LMFAO!!!!
It's no longer "us Hispanics", it's "us Latins"
again, you can't make $hit like this up!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:44 amBARTLEBEE,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amTypical fake racist Leftist. Do you really think that could happen?
Do you think Blacks are so helpless that they would put up with that?
Typical of the Leftist's Whiteman's burden complex.
My point is this ruling is good as it will fiorce us Hiuspanics to rely on ourselves.
We did it in Florida.
We can do it in the rest of the country!.
We we we. LOL Joker, you sound incredibly racist to me. Besides, if it wasn't for "Whitey" destroying the Native Americans, those roads and other infrastructure you claim to have built on your own would look a little different. Nothing like people celebrating their heritage while trying to take over the country. Everyone, no matter of heritage, should be able to be successful in America and any barriers, perceived or otherwise, should be eliminated.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amWhy can’t Leftists see a person as an individual and rather than a skin tone?
Comment by Ringo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Because you're forcing us to by seeing them that way in the first place... We're simply trying to correct your mistakes.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amAnd from what I know of shane (Go Cubs! or is it White Sox? Heh), she only “supposedly hates†people that are vile cowards who spew venom from their protected shields of a computer screen.
Hey, if the shoe fits…
Comment by DRxJ
Thanks DRxJ, obviously CT_0 couldn't see the play on words. I'm a Cub fan but the rest of my family are White Sox fans. I really like them both but I don't tell them, better to play hard to get.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amerock,
"Solving this problem with policies that encourage the upward mobility of people within the less affluent districts would make this a non-issue."
I agree with you on that! That's what happened here in Miami.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 amThe Hispanics raised themselves up!
Why can’t Leftists see a person as an individual and rather than a skin tone?
We can, but we know that the right can't and that that racism has to be fought and eliminated. Republicans, on the other hand, can only stay in power through White Fright.
Pretending that we have a color blind society is the fastest way to rescue America's dying tradition of racism. It's passive-aggressive Jim Crow.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:46 am.
Idiot, you don't even know what the words mean. There's no judgement. They have specific meaning. Get a dictionary before you open your mouth again and make yourself look dumb.
You lumped yourself together. You are an idiot and a fool.
p.s. I hate Miami. Not be cause of the "Hispanics" as you call them, but because it is one of the worst spots for sprawl in the country and will sonn be underwater. Better learn to play nice before you have to move in with the "Anglos".
June 28th, 2007 at 11:46 amZooey > when GOPers like Roberts are closeted hypocrites, then they must be outed. Remember it happens to be the one thing that makes them depart instantly > for example Mark Foley. I have zero problems with openly Gay people in Congress > I fax stuff to Barney Frank all the time. Being exposed as Gay in the GOPer party is the kiss of death.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:46 amdo you considered yourself “Hispanic�
Would that be like if I called myself “Anglo Saxon�
Comment by DRxJ
mmmm...good question. Im a Latinamerican, a mixture between indians and europeans as the far majority in this continent. Brazil is also considered Latinamericans, of course, although they speak portuguese and have a lot of black population, like Columbia, Ecuador, Venezuela and Peru and the Caribbean countries. I think Spanish, our native tongue make us share a lot with each other, but thinking about it, we are Latinamericans.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:46 am#110 Clarence Thomas is a puppet much like George W. Bush is a puppet.
How long, how long will it be before we are delivered from the Five Sanctimonious Educated Fools who constitute the majority of our Supreme Court?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:47 amRace will become a non-issue when folks stop discriminating on the basis of race. That has not happened yet. I have white friends who tell me discrimination still happens. BTW here in the DFW area, probaly like south FL. there are a lot of poor hispanics who are the recipients of discrimination all the time. Look at the high school drop out rates here if you doubt the problems. High school drop outs are not going to create the south Florida success story here in east Texas.
If good people do not step up and address discrimination it will continue and flourish, to the detrement of us all. Stick your head up your butt and pretend it does not exist, that won't change the reality millions deal with every day. Segregation is still inherently unequal.
As a black man I beleive in school integration. I live in an upper middle-class area, so the school is integrated because my nieghbors are white and hispanic. If the nieghborhood is all black or hispanic and poor the schools will be segregated and often sub-par. Maybe the situations is based on economics. Nobody is clamoring to bus their kids to POOR white schools.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:48 amWhat progress shall we rid ourselves of next….?
Comment by Zooey
How about we get rid of that whole Civil Rights thingy, it's so messy anyway. I've got everything I need, everybody else, well let them eat cake.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:48 amThe public school system is failing. Every school should offer the same standard of enducation. The problem can't be about racism. The problem is bigger than that. And, no, I don't have a solution to propose at the moment - but perhaps the government should take more of an interest in educating its people. Offer the same standard of education across the board. Make university enrollment available to all high school graduates. Offer incentives for performance. Offer vocational school and specialized training for those not interested or qualified to attend university.
I'm not suggesting doing away with private schools, but perhaps raise the question as to the need. We should want to be united as a country and proud of our people. And, we can start by properly educating (and offering the opportunity) to each and every one.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:49 amComment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 11:46 am
June 28th, 2007 at 11:50 amthank you, Juan C
I just wanted to see if a true Latin American would refer to himself as "Hispanic"
A little off topic, but….
What about the cruelest punisment of all?
Making the teenaged body get up at 5:30 am to attend the first class at 7am?
Why is it that an elementary child goes to school at 9am, while a teenager goes at 7am? Convience for the parent, no doubt.
As a nocture, it's no easier for me either :D.
I agree. It was originally so that the students could work on the farm, or in the family business. It remains that way to appease the footballcoashes. Every year, someone tries to change it in my district, and every year the coaches knock it down...
My teenaged daughter looks like Night of the Living Dead when she’s up that early, while my toodlers are practically bouncing off the wall.
Crazy, isn't it?
Incidently, a study from a school in Minnesota that implemented a later start for high-schoolers showed a drastic increase of grades. If I recall (and I’m too lazy to research), almost all graduating seniors where A students. Food for thought is all
Comment by DRxJ — June 28, 2007 @ 11:34 am
I believe it. It makes sense. And it's proof that it's not about the students...
June 28th, 2007 at 11:50 amunbelievable
But to some parents, diversity is part of being the best.
Choice A: Great Math Program
Choice B: Great English Program
Choice C: Really Diverse
Any parent who chooses C over A or B should have child services look into their parenting, and should have to pay a higher tax for welfare services, because their kids are more likely to need them
The test scores are meaningless. Go ask any high school student. They will tell you that they memorize trivia for the tests and then forget it because it is useless nonsense.
I would tell you that I learned the process of getting to the answer, and it's why I did better than some of my peers beacuse they concentrated on learning the answer and not the process, so they can't make educated guesses or logical conclusions to get questions they don't know correct. The test results will show that difference between students, resulting in schools that do better at teaching the process than the answer having higher average scores.
Why do you think teachers are so against NCLB?
The bad ones because they are used to being unionized and not having to worry about accountability, the good ones because they aren't getting the funding they need for it.
it is mostly conservatives in Administration who are pushing their personal agendas. However, there are liberal Administrators who are trying to fix the system
Have you considered an argument that isn't based on the evil conservatives/rich trying to screw everyone else over? I seem to remeber Teddy K being really involved in NCLB, maybe it sucks because of the stuff he got included. So my take on the situation is that it's conservative administrators trying to fix all the problems Liberals introduced with their contributions to the current situation.
david
June 28th, 2007 at 11:52 amLet’s face it. The Right wants a class society
Every society is a class society.
while Americans slept, bad things happened.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:52 am.
BARTLEBEE,
Typical fake racist Leftist.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Hmmm, typical fake racist leftist ay?
So you're saying I am pretending to be a racist but I'm not really one?
Ok. Well gee..... er, thanks.....
:|
I think.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:53 amReally really really REALLY off topic
Hey shane, we have friends that live in the Arlington Heights area, and once a summer we usually make a trek to, as my friend calls it, Mecca Wrigley Field!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:53 amWhen we do, maybe we'll find your bar!
Heh
I just wanted to see if a true Latin American would refer to himself as “Hispanicâ€
Comment by DRxJ
But, and I really HATE to defend somewhat Joker, I do not live in the US and illegal immigrants (Mexicans and Central Americans, mostly) have adopted this "name" in order to defend their identity, IMO. They use it to differentiate themselves from the white, rich guys or the black population.
In a cultural way, I agree with this description and this defense of identity, like Catalans or Basques, but taken it as an excuse to NOT integrate themselves in the community they live, I find it wrong.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 amComment by lamo-shane
"You love Ann Coulter, if it’s good enough for her it’s good enough for you."
That's not the subject. I don't come here to bash gay people, you go rampant calling people faggots, running counter your own party's agenda of neutrality on sexual orientation. I see that, you apparently dont. Whether or not I care for Ann Coulter, again, is clearly not the subject. If you're calling people faggots, you're mocking gays and mocking Ann's way of doing things.
"I don’t run around bashing youth. Here’s a clue skippy, you’re an adult now. I don’t know how long you think you can be considered a child. But 18 year olds are in Iraq dying every day. You think that’s their job and that they should be there. But then you want to hide behind your “youthâ€."
Here's a clue haggy, I think I know I'm an adult. The last time I checked, 20 is still young. And don't pretend you care for the service of these 18-year-olds dying in Iraq. They can see right through your pretend support. They know you only care for Muslinshiteaters (tm). You want them to come home because you want to put the "terrorists," as you probably call them, back in their cage.
"My 12 year old child has more sense and acts more mature than you do. So I would suspect you’re mother has been more delusional than I am for years. Obviously you play her like a violin, playing the baby and getting away with acting like an adolescent. But to the rest of us, you’re an adult. Why don’t you stop acting like an annoying, over indulgent child."
Jibberish, didn't make any sense. Again, you think I'm going to take criticism from child beater? You're an Islamo-stalinist, I wouldn't want that for a mother. And stop overrating you kid, please. Your praise here doesn't count.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 amOnly if you use just the worst set of numbers, and even then it varies from 66 as a low, not 60, up to 82%
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Your splitting hairs. I was using numbers given to me last year by the school system that nationwide the graduation rate is about 60%. I wasn't that far off.
The national graduation rate for the class of 1998 was 71%. For white students the rate was 78%, while it was 56% for African-American students and 54% for Latino students.
Georgia had the lowest overall graduation rate in the nation with 54% of students graduating, followed by Nevada, Florida, and Washington, D.C.
Iowa had the highest overall graduation rate with 93%, followed by North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska.
Wisconsin had the lowest graduation rate among African-American students with 40%, followed by Minnesota, Georgia, and Tennessee. Georgia had the lowest graduation rate among Latino students with 32%, followed by Alabama, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Less than 50% of African-American students graduated in seven states and less than 50% of Latino students graduated in eight states for which data were available.
The highest rate of graduation among African-American students was 71% in West Virginia, followed by Massachusetts, Arkansas, and New Jersey. The highest rate of graduation among Latino students was 82% in Montana, followed by Louisiana, Maryland, and Hawaii.
Among the fifty largest school districts in the country, Cleveland City had the lowest overall graduation rate with 28%, followed by Memphis, Milwaukee, and Columbus.
Fairfax County, VA had the highest overall graduation rate among the districts with 87%, followed by Montgomery County, MD, Albuquerque and Boston.
Cleveland City had the lowest graduation rate among African-American students with 29%, followed by Milwaukee, Memphis, and Gwinett County, Georgia. Cleveland City also had the lowest graduation rate among Latino students, followed by Georgia’s Dekalb, Gwinnett, and Cobb counties. Less than 50% of African-American students graduated in fifteen of forty-five districts for which there was sufficient data, and less than 50% of Latino students graduated in twenty-one of thirty-six districts for which there was sufficient data.
The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) finds a national high school completion rate of 86% for the class of 1998. The discrepancy between the NCES’ finding and this report’s finding of a 71% rate is largely caused by NCES’ counting of General Educational Development (GED) graduates and others with alternative credentials as high school graduates, and by its reliance on a methodology that is likely to undercount dropouts.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_baeo.htm
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 amLet’s face it. The Right wants a class society. They like privilege and distinctions of rank. They don’t want a level playing field. And the last thing they want is to have past wrongs righted.
Comment by david
You figured it out. The next thing they can get rid of is the American's with Disabilities Act. Oh our trolls will be all giddy when the SCOTUS gets rid of that, wait until they tell us how much money that will save.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 amOk. Well gee….. er, thanks…..
:|
I think.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
LMAO!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 amRusty,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 amYou're an Anglo. You have no say as to who's Latin or not.
We may be differnt races but we are one people united by Culture and a shared History.
You know nothing about and as a Non Latin you have no say.
As for Miami being under water!
Ha! That's bull.
If the Ice caps melt an Ice Age would arise as the Gulf Straem would come to halt. Ice caps use up water so there would be no flooding.
Don't just go by what Al Gore says read the all the studies on Climate Change.
The end result will be an Ice Age.That ,means all you Anglos will be coming here.
Oh well we'll put you on food stamps and welfare like you did to our brothers in NY and LA.
We'll let you work the shit jobs and put you in shit neighborhood!
Ha ha!
Why do you think teachers are so against NCLB?
The bad ones because they are used to being unionized and not having to worry about accountability, the good ones because they aren’t getting the funding they need for it.
LOL I guess Bush and Cheney et al would be considered BAD because they don't worry about accountability. Good double standard.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:55 amLet’s face it. The Right wants a class society
Every society is a class society.
Comment by squegeebooo
Only as long as people allow it.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amTotally specious argument - it's not a matter of 'helping' the poor or minority groups. It's about assuring that all students have access to the same first quality public education. Even with minority preferences and/or bussing, schools in affluent areas have more resources. That said, this is definitely a ruling by a racist court detremined to preserve white economic privilege.
Since these un-American men will be in situ for a long time, it will be necessary for those of us who love equality to find another way to give students access to equal educational opportunity. Education groups and the ACLU need to begin crafting strategies based on that inequality. Force rich schools to share with poor schools, fight for smaller classes and better teacher education for all students.
Strengthen the public schools - they are the most democratic institutions in this country. And that's probably the primary reason conservatives hate them - conservatives prefer oligarchy.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amJuan C,
June 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amI know we don't agree on much but thank you.
You undersatnd that yes we have our divisions but we are one people!
If you notice I don't attack you and actually have stated I respect your viewpoint.
Gracia hermano!
but taken it as an excuse to NOT integrate themselves in the community they live, I find it wrong.
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Excellent, Juan C! Great response.
I just got educated!
thanks!
Alright all, I'm off to picnic with the family.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:57 amBe nice!
Wow...I never thought such an outcome of my response. :D
DRxJ, buddy, I dont educate anybody here. I learn. :)
The Joker, come on, you will be considered with much more respect if you cut off the "Muslim wants to take over the world" crap.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:02 pmunbelievable
The national graduation rate for the class of 1998 was 71%. For white students the rate was 78%, while it was 56% for African-American students and 54% for Latino students..
Yes, fine work, now if you had bothered to look at my links, one of them even broke down black graduation rates by various accepted surveys. If you average them, you get a black graduation rate of: 65% as an average of 6 different surveys. If I wanted I could take just the highest one and add nearly 20% to your number, but even the average is 9% higher. 9% isn't 'splitting hairs' it's pointing out intellectual dishonesty in your statistics.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:02 pmThe Joker, what an appropriate name you give yourself.
"If the Ice caps melt an Ice Age would arise as the Gulf Straem would come to halt. Ice caps use up water so there would be no flooding."
So there would be no flooding because when the Ice caps melt then the Ice caps will use up water!!???!!??!?!?! Great logic there Joker. Have you considered the time frame for what you suggest? If the Ice caps melt, the Gulf Stream won't stop dead in it's tracks. It may well be true that if the Ice caps melt then the Gulf stream may stop but this action/reaction will take some time. Time enough for massive flooding of coastal areas. If the Gulf Stream did stop then an Ice age is probable, but I would not expect it to happen in a day, or year or 10 years. Bottom line is if the Ice caps melt 100%, you will have an interesting view of the "Hispanic" Miami skyline!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by DRxJ
"She was providing an example!"
That's right, she was providing an example of her homophobia, counter to the goals of her party.
"She doesn’t go around calling everybody a “fagâ€. that was her play on words for you calling her a “hagâ€"
Actually, she didn't have to say "fag" regardless of anything. That's not any kind of excuse. And that lady is constantly using that word, so again, that's not an excuse or a "play on words."
"And from what I know of shane, she only “supposedly hates†people that are vile cowards who spew venom from their protected shields of a computer screen."
I advocate combating Islamo-fascism, so I am in no way I coward. You're sitting behind your computer spewing vile that should get you quarantined, aren't you? Traitorous language coming from you, no surprise there.
We should get out of Iraq (ground forces) and drop more bombs strategically to eliminate the enemy. Then you can complain that the U.S. won.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:04 pmThe bogus immigration reform bill is now dead, so that makes me happy today. Anything that causes a defeat for Bush is good news.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:04 pmJuan C,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:06 pmLike I said we'll never agree on somethings.
I do believe that Islam is the greatest threat facing the Earth.
But I do respect you and if I see someone attacking I got you back!
Un Latino a otro!
Jay Randal,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:08 pm]It's not a defeat for Bush.
It's a defaet for us Latinos!
So what we don't have a right to be Americans like your ancestors did!
Jay you are a racist bigot and it shows with your anti-Hispanic attitudes mr activist.
This is a disgrace on America!
Thanks God I live in Florida and don't have to deal with racist Anglos like you!
Comment by Jay Randal
The bill is actually dead? Do you have any other details?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:09 pmDavid,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:09 pmI disagree.
When I lived in NY, I knew Blacks who whites and claim they were the creation of the Devil.
Racism is a 2 way street.
Uh, what are we talking about Iraq for in a thread about a supreme court ruling to seperate the races again?
SCOTUS is now SSCOTUS.
Stacked Supreme Court of the United States.
Soon the republicans will have us all safely back in the 1950's, or even earlier (can anyone say prohibition?). We're already reopening the Scopes Monkey Trials, so "colorered only" schools shouldn't be too far down the road.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:10 pmJudicial activism, anyone? If disdain for decades of legal tradition based on ideological beliefs doesn't count as activism I dont' know what does.
This is the same group who will no doubt eventually have to decide if Congress has the legal authority to compel compliance with subpoenas recently served on the White House. We're screwed.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWhen I lived in NY, I knew Blacks who whites and claim they were the creation of the Devil.
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Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
What is a "Blacks who whites" ?
:|
Is that like the Who's in Whoville or something?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:11 pmChoice A: Great Math Program
Choice B: Great English Program
Choice C: Really Diverse
Any parent who chooses C over A or B should have child services look into their parenting, and should have to pay a higher tax for welfare services, because their kids are more likely to need them
Nonsense. You're defining great programs by test scores. As a teacher, I am telling you that that is a poor way to define a great program.
I would tell you that I learned the process of getting to the answer, and it’s why I did better than some of my peers beacuse they concentrated on learning the answer and not the process, so they can’t make educated guesses or logical conclusions to get questions they don’t know correct. The test results will show that difference between students, resulting in schools that do better at teaching the process than the answer having higher average scores.
Wrong. First of all, being a teacher, I learned that the tests are biased. Therefore, the scores are irrelevant in how good a teacher is. One of the most interesting things I was taught in high school was when my otherwise worthless Career Awareness Coach/Teacher had us take out a piece of paper and just randomly pick A, B, C or D for a series of questions he didn't even ask. Most of us scored well, just because the odds of guessing correctly are so much better than essay and problem solving questions (which is what I give my students, by the way. Takes longer to grade, but they have to demonstrate their knowledge, and therefore, to some degree, my ability to teach it to them).
The bad ones because they are used to being unionized and not having to worry about accountability, the good ones because they aren’t getting the funding they need for it.
Wrong. Interesting that you think you have critical thinking skills... Rather than being a white boy who had a good night's sleep and a breakfast before taking an exam...
I know of not one teacher who supports NCLB - including the great ones. Because it's too restrictive. It doesn't take into consideration that there are different learning styles, or that memorization ISN'T learning.
Have you considered an argument that isn’t based on the evil conservatives/rich trying to screw everyone else over?
Yes. They failed.
Actually, I went into the system with an open mind and this is what the system taught me about itself.
I seem to remeber Teddy K being really involved in NCLB, maybe it sucks because of the stuff he got included.
Except that you're just guessing because you don't know anything about it and are too lazy to bother to find out...
So my take on the situation is that it’s conservative administrators trying to fix all the problems Liberals introduced with their contributions to the current situation.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 11:52 am
And because you've never worked in the system, and I have, I'll stick with my experiences over your guestimations...
June 28th, 2007 at 12:11 pmI mean, are they like little half black, half white munchkins or something?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:12 pmJoker, you are very well trained by YOUR masters, the likes of Bush, Cheney, Jeb, Limbaugh etc... You know hoe to parrot their propaganda and twist words. lol With my comment, I was refering to your types who are the Uncle Tom's of the Latino community.
Yeah, I have been to Miami and seen how the community has thrived. I also see how the Hispanic community here in S California is being enslaved by your masters. Tell me my uppity Hispanic friend, how much of the crumbs the Jebs and Limbaugh's are throwing you is a result of a political move by them to appease the Cuban vote for your party? Listen, when the 'Conservative Revolution' nears its completion, you think they will spare you becasue you did what the Jews or Whites did? LOL Nah Amigao, they will haul your azz over to the detention camp Halliburton is building, as fast as you say, ''but I am a Republican'. Yes, we are fighting for you too bud.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:12 pmWhat do you expect from these "White Men" and the "Unlce Tom" on the right?? Republicans love this, kill womens right and the rights of minorities. And in the process, let big business do no wrong.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:13 pmBARTLEBEE,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI have news for your. Forced segregation isn't coming back!
Joker > Americans want secure borders. This has nothing to do with racial issues. Tell me where you live, so I can have the Feds deport you.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:14 pmCTV > Check the thread above this one.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:14 pmdavid
Once again there is no classless society, and I doubt you could name one that I'm some how forgetting.
Where the son of a mill worker could grow up to be President.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pmThat doesn't make it classless, it just means its not as rigid of a class structure(more social/economic mobility). Something that we still have.
Squeegeepoo, your f*cking laissez-faire attitude is so racist and unAmerican as to make me p*ke. No doubt if we all had your lazy unfair attitude, black slaves would still be picking cotton, women would still be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and Jews would be in Ghettos and restricted to a small quota at all the Ivy League Universities.
Oh man, you have me pinned perfectly, how did you figure it out? Could the women be making me a sammich too while they're in the kitchen or is that to much to ask?
Thanks God I live in Florida and don’t have to deal with racist Anglos like you!
Comment by The Joker
Uh, does this mean Florida has seceded from the Union?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:18 pmBARTLEBEE,
I have news for your. Forced segregation isn’t coming back!
Comment by The Jinxer — June 28, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
You're right.
Thanks to the Supreme Court, its already here.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:18 pmSo Joker doesn't like it when "Anglos" define who is "Latin", "Hispanic" and such, but lumps all us white folk into the "Anglo" category.
As someone of Irish/German/Bohemian descent, and who is a proud AMERICAN citizen, I wish he wouldn't lump everyone whose ancestors came here from Europe under one title.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:18 pmHaving been the recipient of reverse discrimination in job selection based on my gender (less qualified females hired before me simply to fill a quota) I hope the Supremes go after that issue next.
Comment by Ben Dover — June 28, 2007 @ 11:28 am
Yes, you're obviously one of those growing number of Americans who have grown tired of democracy and dream of living under a fascist state.
As for your post, don't you feel any empathy now for how it feels to be discriminated against? Or does that response, being a conservative, escape you?
So when exactly is it that you bend over? I hope it's not an unfortunate habit?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:18 pmHere’s a clue haggy, I think I know I’m an adult. The last time I checked, 20 is still young. And don’t pretend you care for the service of these 18-year-olds dying in Iraq. They can see right through your pretend support. They know you only care for Muslinshiteaters ™. You want them to come home because you want to put the “terrorists,†as you probably call them, back in their cage.
Comment by CT V_1
First I only care for Muslin, really I prefer 600 thread count cotton percale, but you wouldn't understand. And then I want to put terrorists in a cage. Are you off your meds?
20 is still young? I was divorced the first time at 20 and have been supporting myself since I turned 17. And you calling me a "child beater" well I'd love to know where you pulled that out of. Oh because one day, when you were acting like a toddler, jokingly I said "Children are to be seen an not heard." That's an adage from the old days.
Apparently your mother never set any boundaries. As they say it isn't kids with low self esteem that shoot up schools and are bullies. It's the kids with high self esteem, whose parents tell them how smart and wonderful they are all the time that believe they are superior to everybody else that are truly dangerous.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:19 pmYes, fine work, now if you had bothered to look at my links, one of them even broke down black graduation rates by various accepted surveys. If you average them, you get a black graduation rate of: 65% as an average of 6 different surveys. If I wanted I could take just the highest one and add nearly 20% to your number, but even the average is 9% higher. 9% isn’t ’splitting hairs’ it’s pointing out intellectual dishonesty in your statistics.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Stop with the accusations. I wasn't that far off ("The national graduation rate is 68 percent, with nearly one-third of all public high school students failing to graduate" - 2001 http://www.urban.org/publications/410934.html), and wasn't trying to be deceptive. You've just grown used to people being disingenuous because of the conservative company you keep.
My point is and remains the same - we have a low graduation rate in this country and we are governed by conservatives (I consider Clinton conservative in comparision to previous Democrats such as FDR and Jefferson). The connection? Relevence, reality, and respect. Three things the cons avoid at all costs...
June 28th, 2007 at 12:19 pmSeething: How can each branch of government piss me off before lunch?
Today is such a dark day in the history of our country. An executive who continues to erode the constitution while devising even more stunning ways of blitzkrieging it; the legislative, more exact the Senate, who falls 14 votes short of a moderate immigration vote; and lastly the damn judiciary with 3 cases of 5-4 decisions against citizens. This is so awful! I must check the astrological chart because this can’t be happening
June 28th, 2007 at 12:19 pmEthioLib,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAs an ignorant brainwashed slave of you White Leftist Mastas I feel sorry for yoiu.
I'm not a Conservative as I don't belive that Big Corporations shouldn't run the government and don't believe in interfering in one's persoanl life.
As for us going to detention centers, Ha!
We have guns you fool.
We'll fight and die.
Plus they're 22 Latin nations and they will not sit idly by and see us get killed.
In fact we might win a race war and take America over.
Bye the way the Clintons. Kennedies and NY Times types who are your Mastas see you as a trained monkey!
no one has commented on is that one of the votes that was cast in a ruling that will undermine the ruling of Brown was by Clarence Thomas, seemingly an African-American in name only.
Comment by Erroll
Well, technically speaking, Justice Uncle Thomas only has 3/5 of a vote, by his own legal arguments.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:20 pm.
And BTW, Joker, didn't one of you beloved Republican presidential candidate Tom Tancredo call Miami 'a third world city'? Now, imagine if he became the president, you think he will give you the medal of freedom for thriving on his land? lol Wake up and smell the Cuban Coffee my friend. You are just as expendible as the rest of us!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:20 pmHere’s a clue haggy, I think I know I’m an adult.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 11:54 am
But are you "sure"?
After all, you've been wrong before.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:21 pmNo doubt if we all had your lazy unfair attitude, black slaves would still be picking cotton, women would still be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and Jews would be in Ghettos and restricted to a small quota at all the Ivy League Universities.
Comment by david
David, you dont understand. Squeegee thinks that black slaves just made awfully wrong financial decisions.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:21 pmHow about we get rid of that whole Civil Rights thingy, it’s so messy anyway. I’ve got everything I need, everybody else, well let them eat cake.
Comment by shane
Works for me. I wonder if water really does taste sweeter from the "Whites Only" fountain....?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:21 pm/sarcasm
Wrong. First of all, being a teacher, I learned that the tests are biased.
Right, towards the students with knowledge. The ones who didn't study are unfairly prejudiced against.
One of the most interesting things I was taught in high school was when my otherwise worthless Career Awareness Coach/Teacher had us take out a piece of paper and just randomly pick A, B, C or D for a series of questions he didn’t even ask
I didn't realize a 25% counts as doing well in your book, which is what the average would be over a large enough sample set.
Nonsense. You’re defining great programs by test scores. As a teacher, I am telling you that that is a poor way to define a great program.
So what should they use instead?
than essay and problem solving questions (which is what I give my students, by the way. Takes longer to grade, but they have to demonstrate their knowledge, and therefore, to some degree, my ability to teach it to them).
Good on you, I agree they are a better way.
Actually, I went into the system with an open mind and this is what the system taught me about itself.
That must be quite a difference from how you come into most of these threads.
Except that you’re just guessing because you don’t know anything about it and are too lazy to bother to find out…
June 28th, 2007 at 12:23 pmNope I'm just guessing because all I can find on his actual contributions are that he was the initial sponsor, and that he supports renewing it. And I'm assuming with his clout, he did a bit of arm twisting behind closed doors to make sure the D's in congress lined up behind it back when it was first proposed. So it sounds like it could still be a liberal issue not a conservative one.
Every society is a class society.
Comment by squegeebooo
Only as long as people allow it.
Comment by Juan C
Unfortunately the need to arrange our world in hierarchies seems so embedded in the human mind that it will be there for centuries to come. I have been told repeated my whole adult life that I treat the individuals I deal w/ as equals. Unfortunately, only 2 or 3 people have ever bothered to respond and truly value that.
It has been one of the great disappointments of my life. People don't want equlity. They want to be in charge.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:23 pmBARTLEBEE,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:24 pmHow is getting rid os quotas segregation?
Explain that?
Also here in Florida us Hispanics made it and have political and economic power without Anglo help!
Racial Quotas are bad, it should be a merit based system.
I don't mind economic quotas for poorer Black, Spanish and Whites!
That would be more just.
Why should the son of a Colombian doctor get preference over the daughter of White coal miner?
That's not fair.
If anything a Class based quoata is fair.
Not race.
After all, you’ve been wrong before.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
And before, and before, and before that too...
June 28th, 2007 at 12:24 pmThis is a gaood thing.
As a Hispanic I don’t need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo.
After all my ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans were.
My ancestors controlled large parts of Europe.
I don’t need Anglo assistance!
Comment by The Joker
If your ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans, your ancestors were the Moors who civilized Spain. I thought you hated Muslims?
Comment by gummitch — June 28, 2007 @ 10:39 am
Only and uneducated idiot would call what the Moors did in Spain, civilized. Poor Libtards, education is never their forte.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:24 pmIf anything a Class based quoata is fair.
Comment by The Joker
How about a spelling-based quota system?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:25 pmEthioLib akamthe Leftists slave Monkey.
I'm not a Republican and detest Tom Tancredo.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:26 pmHe's jealous that there are Spanish people with power!
He's Latin on the outside and Anglo inside.
A true race traitor!
Apparently your mother never set any boundaries.
Comment by shane — June 28, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
CV1 is Rachel and The Joker is Santo... They have to keep changing identities and IP addresse sbecause they've both been permanently banned from TP for their purile behavior..
June 28th, 2007 at 12:26 pmConservatron,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:26 pmYou must love this.
A latin throwing the racist argument back at Leftists!
Well, technically speaking, Justice Uncle Thomas only has 3/5 of a vote, by his own legal arguments.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
Thanks for that one! I laughed so hard, I gave myself hiccups. :D
June 28th, 2007 at 12:27 pmthe supreme court has just paved the way for america's own sectarian struggle.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:27 pmunbelievable,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWhat have I said that's not true?
Do you believe us Hispanics can't make it in America like others before us?
If so explain Florida?
Only and uneducated idiot would call what the Moors did in Spain, civilized. Poor Libtards, education is never their forte.
Comment by Conservatron
Please read below, you clueless Sa*k of cheney...
"While in some ways this structure helped the spread of knowledge, in other ways it became a hindrance as superstition of one kind gave way to another. The spread of Arab knowledge through the rest of Europe was a golden opportunity which if not lost was certainly delayed as empire building within the church carried on apace.
The ultimate irony is that while Europe languished in barbarism and ignorance the torch of learning was kept brightly burning by the Arab world. The more things change, the more they stay..."
June 28th, 2007 at 12:28 pmThis is a gaood thing.
As a Hispanic I don’t need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo.
After all my ancestors were civilized before Northern Europeans were.
My ancestors controlled large parts of Europe.
I don’t need Anglo assistance!
Comment by The Joker
Well said. the problem with Libtards is that they believe themselves to be the great White Hope for minorities. They make minorities out to be dumb, stupid, morons, etc who can't make it in life without the help of left wing Libtarded policies.
Libtards, minorities don't need your help, they can make it on their own without any help.
Why instead of basing acceptance into a school based on race, why not make it base on economic means of the family.
there are countless of white kids that are filthy poor and the only reason they didn't make it to college was because Affermative Action picked a minority over him/her. Is this fair?
of course not. Libtards are too stupid to understand that basing any decision on the color of your skin, on your race is RACIST!
Are there not poor white neighborhoods, are there not poor white people that need as much help as poor minorities? YES!
let us help people despite their race, not because of their race.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:29 pmAs an ignorant brainwashed slave of you White Leftist Mastas I feel sorry for yoiu.
I’m not a Conservative as I don’t belive that Big Corporations shouldn’t run the government and don’t believe in interfering in one’s persoanl life.
As for us going to detention centers, Ha!
We have guns you fool.
We’ll fight and die.
Plus they’re 22 Latin nations and they will not sit idly by and see us get killed.
In fact we might win a race war and take America over.
Bye the way the Clintons. Kennedies and NY Times types who are your Mastas see you as a trained monkey!
And I am the ignorant one. lol You are not a Conservative? Well then, my mistake...I could've sworn you comments sounded... never mind. lol So, let me see, you " ...don’t belive that Big Corporations shouldn’t run the government and don’t believe in interfering in one’s persoanl life." Whatever the hell that means. You must be a Libertarian. lol One of those Repugs who smokes dope and likes to get laid? lol Whatever floats your boat you came on in from Cuba bud.
And which country do you think will come and save your azz when the Brown shirts are at your door? lol Cuba? Venezuela? Oh wait...it must be Bolivia! Or could it be Costa Rica? lol You might want to be careful about talking of winnig a race war in front of your 'Liberatarian' frineds. They just might sic O'Reilly and Pat Buchannan on you! You are hillarious!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:31 pmActually, she didn’t have to say “fag†regardless of anything. That’s not any kind of excuse. And that lady is constantly using that word, so again, that’s not an excuse or a “play on words.â€
Comment by CT V_1
Can you find ONE other example where I used the word? No, because you just make shit up. Just like you believe all of us are supporters of terrorists and that we're all antiwar. Here's a fact, we support the troops and hate terrorists, who are IN FACT terrorists. We want our troops safe and rested for any legitimate war there is, not some illegal invasion to steal oil rights.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:31 pmThe Republic of Stupidity ,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:31 pmNot Post Roman spain or the Eastern Roman Empire.
The Muslims who invaded spain stole our achievements and they also got their Knowledge from the Conquests of Roman Provinces, The Persian Empires and India.
Learn some history before you spew Islamic lies that you Muslims masters taught you!
Only and uneducated idiot would call what the Moors did in Spain, civilized. Poor Libtards, education is never their forte.
Comment by Conservatron
Please read below, you clueless Sa*k of cheney…
“While in some ways this structure helped the spread of knowledge, in other ways it became a hindrance as superstition of one kind gave way to another. The spread of Arab knowledge through the rest of Europe was a golden opportunity which if not lost was certainly delayed as empire building within the church carried on apace.
The ultimate irony is that while Europe languished in barbarism and ignorance the torch of learning was kept brightly burning by the Arab world. The more things change, the more they stay…â€
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 28, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
yes, I guess you believe that the Moors killing Christians by the tens of thousands, if you believe that the Moors raping Spanish women, etc was civilized, by all means believe so.
yes, Arabs were more advance at that time in history when it came to Math and science, but socially, they were bigger barbarians than the Europeans.
Why don't you go figure out how many people the Moors killed while they tried conquering all of Europe. Go figure out what type of tortures they used with those they disagreed with. Go fing out the type of punishments they used. Geez guy, get a f#$cking clue. and stop cutting and pasting from wikipedia.
furthermore, the Moors of back then are NOT today's Arabs. get a clue and an education.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:32 pm"First I only care for Muslin, really I prefer 600 thread count cotton percale, but you wouldn’t understand. And then I want to put terrorists in a cage. Are you off your meds?"
Are you off your meds for insinuating the troops being terrorists? Because that's what this site is about. You might want to stick to the theme and state it directly.
WOW. 20 is not young, then. I mean, I have wrinkles slathered on my face.
LOL. Just because you're no longer young, doesn't mean that young no longer exists.
Divorce is immoral, and my own parents are immoral for getting one. One is expected to marry only if they know it will last a lifetime.
"Apparently your mother never set any boundaries. As they say it isn’t kids with low self esteem that shoot up schools and are bullies. It’s the kids with high self esteem, whose parents tell them how smart and wonderful they are all the time that believe they are superior to everybody else that are truly dangerous."
Thats 200% false.
Apparently, you take my conservative views out of context and your own views much too serious. You have no place projecting about anyones parents. It has nothing to do with anything posted here. Good parenting doesn't, and shouldn't, lead to loony-left views.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:33 pmJuan C
David, you dont understand. Squeegee thinks that black slaves just made awfully wrong financial decisions.
Wow, nice one.
Unbelievable
June 28th, 2007 at 12:33 pmStop with the accusations. I wasn’t that far off (â€The national graduation rate is 68 percent, with nearly one-third of all public high school students failing to graduate†- 2001 http://www.urban.org/publications/410934.html), and wasn’t trying to be deceptive. You’ve just grown used to people being disingenuous because of the conservative company you keep.
Your own citations have you off by 11% and 14% thats a huge number. And my citations have you even further off. So instead of accusations, think of them as corrections, if that helps.
wow great arguments, conservatron.
preface your inclusive and magnanimous words with the kind word "libtards" and you sound so reasonable.
no, you're not prejudiced. you just don't realize what a hypocrite you are.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThe Republic of Stupidity ,
Not Post Roman spain or the Eastern Roman Empire.
The Muslims who invaded spain stole our achievements and they also got their Knowledge from the Conquests of Roman Provinces, The Persian Empires and India.
Learn some history before you spew Islamic lies that you Muslims masters taught you!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Not only that Joker, the Moors, the Muslims of back then are not the same race as the Muslims of today.
and didn't you know, Libtards consider Islam the only acceptable religion. They have bought into the lie that Islam is a religion of peace.
let me ask the Libtards, name 10 scientific achievements that come out of the Arab world in the past 300 years.
tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock............
June 28th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThey want to be in charge.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Thats because either they are ignorant or frustrated, probably both.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:34 pmRight, towards the students with knowledge. The ones who didn’t study are unfairly prejudiced against.
No, it's not that simplistic. The tests have repeatedly been proven to be biased toward white males. The fact that you also had a warm bed and food also biases you over the kids who don't. It has very little to do with studying or not studying, because most students don't study at all. In my classes, the white boys from stable families always out performed the rest - including white boys from non-stable families. You had an advantage, same as I did (sans the pen!s), but at least I can admit that, and want to make it fair for those who don't.
I didn’t realize a 25% counts as doing well in your book, which is what the average would be over a large enough sample set.
Someone with critical thinking skills would realize that the odds of getting a 25% on such a test are not accurate. Statistically, you have a 25% chance on each question - however, the reality is much higher based on the fact that no test will be written in accordance.
So what should they use instead?
I already told you.
Good on you, I agree they are a better way.
Then why have you been defending the NCLB muliple guess version?
That must be quite a difference from how you come into most of these threads.
Yes. One is my life and the other (TP) is my agenda to get the neocons out of office.
Nope I’m just guessing because all I can find on his actual contributions are that he was the initial sponsor, and that he supports renewing it.
Sounds like that is all he contributed. So youcan't blame him them, except for supporting it. Which doesn't make sense to me actually....
And I’m assuming with his clout, he did a bit of arm twisting behind closed doors to make sure the D’s in congress lined up behind it back when it was first proposed. So it sounds like it could still be a liberal issue not a conservative one.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
False logic. It was passed by a Republican majority. It's a Republican problem.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:35 pmI have news for your. Forced segregation isn’t coming back!
Comment by The Joker
Yeah, that's what the Jews in Germany believed too.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:35 pmMy point is and remains the same - we have a low graduation rate in this country and we are governed by conservatives (I consider Clinton conservative in comparision to previous Democrats such as FDR and Jefferson). The connection? Relevence, reality, and respect. Three things the cons avoid at all costs…
Wait, if you get to count Clinton as conservative, I get to count Bush as liberal, just look at what he's done to grow the gov't and with spending.
So I still blame the liberals for the education issues.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:36 pmlet me ask the Libtards, name 10 scientific achievements that come out of the Arab world in the past 300 years.
tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock…………
Comment by Conservatron
Give me 50 more years and I complete the list. What a stupid question...
June 28th, 2007 at 12:36 pmwow great arguments, conservatron.
preface your inclusive and magnanimous words with the kind word “libtards†and you sound so reasonable.
no, you’re not prejudiced. you just don’t realize what a hypocrite you are.
Comment by lonesomerobot — June 28, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
and you think you Libtards have great arguments using terms are repuke, neo-contards, etc?
go cry to someone that cares. You retards love insulting anyone that is not in line with Liberal ideologies, and now you are going to crya bout me calling you what you are, a Libtard? please. I am laughing at your stupidity.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:37 pmOnly and uneducated idiot would call what the Moors did in Spain, civilized. Poor Libtards, education is never their forte.
Comment by Conservatron
Library of Cordoba. Dumbass.
You're the reason education levels no longer trend with being Republican. Then again, years of creationism and voodoo economics don't exactly speak to your powers of brain.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:37 pm.
#187 - you filthy hatemonger. In that case, I should be able to call Maxine Waters a monkey since I disagree with her politics.
Liberals = HATE, IGNORANCE and intolerance
June 28th, 2007 at 12:38 pmlet me ask the Libtards, name 10 scientific achievements that come out of the Arab world in the past 300 years.
tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock…………
Comment by Conservatron
Give me 50 more years and I complete the list. What a stupid question…
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Go ahead Juan....how have the Arab worlds advance civilization since 1700. If it is so easy, name one thing.
c'mon Muslim apologist, hater of Christianity.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:38 pm"As a Hispanic I don’t need prferential treatment.
I can compete with any Anglo."
Being assigned to a school to promote racial diversity is not preferential treatment. Preferential treatment would be if they asked Hispanics which school they wanted to go to and let them go wherever they wanted and didn't offer the same option to white kids. That's not what ever happened. If you are saying that getting to go to a good school is preferential, why do you feel that whites deserve to go to good schools while minorities don't deserve the same preferential treatment?
I grew up in NC when busing took hold. They sent kids to schools outside of their neighborhoods because neighborhoods were so segregated at that time, it was easy to get a racial mix. Without a racial and ethnic mix in schools, Hispanics will never compete with Angelos until after school in your scenario.
Diversity builds the strongest neighborhoods. It's be documented time and time again.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pmThe term "anglo" is weird. Despite my handle here, I'm not hispanic, but I'm also not "anglo." Yes, I'm white, but I don't have a drop of English blood in me.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pmI have been told repeated my whole adult life that I treat the individuals I deal w/ as equals. Unfortunately, only 2 or 3 people have ever bothered to respond and truly value that. It has been one of the great disappointments of my life. People don’t want equlity. They want to be in charge.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 28, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
I feel your pain! :D My biggest grievance with "the system" is that very same thing. Drives me nuts... It's exactly as you described.
The good side, though, has been that by treating my so-called subordinates as equals, that aspect was and is always wonderful. They work hard, are loyal, and self-motivated. Of my friends who were former co-workers most of them have been people I managed because I did as you do - treated them as equals. I don't understand why it's so difficult for others to grasp that respect begets respect, while disrespect begets disrespect....
June 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pmEthioLib,
There Hispanic troops in the US Army, Hispanic police officers and Hispanic gangs.
Also in Florida there are Rightwing Hispanic militias.
See unlike your brainwashed kind we down here aren't helpless.
If you look at a map we have 22 Latin nations that out number the US 2-1.
Also I'm sure in race war Russia and China would jump in just for the hell of it.
My point is put your paranioa aside. It's not gonna happen.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pmIf it does.
We have Guns!
’mon Muslim apologist, hater of Christianity.
Comment by Conservatron
mmm...
You were funnier as President Clinton.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pmComment by shane
Actually, I wonder if your 12-year-old kid is sometimes subbing for you on your computer when I constantly see childish suggestions that two people, whom you disagree with, must be homos because they're simply having a conversation. I think I know what I see, so you're attempting to play the victim here.
"Here’s a fact, we support the troops and hate terrorists, who are IN FACT terrorists. We want our troops safe and rested for any legitimate war there is, not some illegal invasion to steal oil rights."
OK, then. Let's get our ground forces out and focus on only bombing the hell out of terrorists instead. With aerial warfare, I think we'd realize fewer U.S. casualties.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWorks for me. I wonder if water really does taste sweeter from the “Whites Only†fountain….?
/sarcasm
Comment by Zooey
Oh and there won't be a wait at "Whtes Only" ladies rooms at ball games and concerts. Do you think hispanics and blacks will have to share one or will they each get their own? Will the muslims and hindis have to share or do they each get their own?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:42 pmWell who really cares, just so us white women don't have to wait in line anymore, that's all that matters.
"furthermore, the Moors of back then are NOT today’s Arabs. get a clue and an education."
Comment by Conservatron
"The Moors expanded and improved Roman irrigation systems to help develop a strong agricultural sector. They introduced many new crops including the orange, lemon, peach, apricot, fig and pomegranate as well as saffron, sugar cane, cotton, silk and rice which remain some of Spain's main products today."
Gosh darn those dastardly farmers!!!
"The persecutions of these Muslim populations and their massive exodus at the time of the Catholic reconquista in the second part of the 15th Century are considered the main reasons why their number shrank to one-third by 1600."
Uh, if we weren't talking about the Moors of Spain, who were we talking about, A**wipe?
So, who killed who in mass numbers? As far as "facts' go, should I just pull them out of Jeff Gannon's A** the way you do?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:42 pmIt took the Stalinist left over 30 years to destroy the Bill of Rights. It's going take quite a while put the Constitution back together again.
But this court has gotten off to a good start.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:42 pmann,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:43 pmIn Florida we more than just compete.
We dominate down here!
How come we can do it here, nbut not elsewhere?
Maybe because qwe weren't brainwashed by you Leftist Anglos into feeling helpless.
Nice try Racist bitch!
Only and uneducated idiot would call what the Moors did in Spain, civilized. Poor Libtards, education is never their forte.
Comment by Conservatron
Library of Cordoba. Dumbass.
You’re the reason education levels no longer trend with being Republican. Then again, years of creationism and voodoo economics don’t exactly speak to your powers of brain.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan — June 28, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
look at you, the typical Libtard. So becausee I am a conservative I believe in creationism, eh? nice stereotyping you fool.
Oh you Liberals, always showing how intolerant, how hateful and how stupid you all are.
I love coming in here, it is great to read the intolerance, the lack of education, the venom being spewed by the so called "open minded" left.
pathetic worms.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:43 pmYes, I’m white, but I don’t have a drop of English blood in me.
Comment by Alejandro
Well, Sir, then you can't possibly be a proper "White man"!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:43 pmYour own citations have you off by 11% and 14% thats a huge number. And my citations have you even further off. So instead of accusations, think of them as corrections, if that helps.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
No it isn't. You're trying to pretend it is to deflect from the fact that you can't argue the actual issue on merits...
66% is just 6% off... and 68% is just 8% Again, not that far off... Anyone except you have a problem with that?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:44 pmy'know, conservatron, if the mongols had invaded western europe and britain in the 13th century, western civilization would be in similar shape.
you act like things just happen in a vacuum. a little historical context -- something you don't seem to be too fond of -- helps us understand our world and why it is the way it is.
i realize, that doesn't fit in with your worldview. try to avoid breeding and spreading the ignorance.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:44 pmThe Republic of Stupidity,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:45 pmYour "facts are Islamic lies.
We were civilized before the Muslims claim.
Like a typical racist Anglo you can't concieve that Spanish people were civilized.
The Muslims exterminated 2 Million Spanish in their invasion.
We exterminated them back.
Payback is a bitch!
CV1 is Rachel and The Joker is Santo… They have to keep changing identities and IP addresse sbecause they’ve both been permanently banned from TP for their purile behavior..
Comment by unbelievable
Rachel and Santo are before my time? Alas, I'm just a newbie, sniff ... can we hope for them to be banned again any time soon?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“furthermore, the Moors of back then are NOT today’s Arabs. get a clue and an education.â€
Comment by Conservatron
“The Moors expanded and improved Roman irrigation systems to help develop a strong agricultural sector. They introduced many new crops including the orange, lemon, peach, apricot, fig and pomegranate as well as saffron, sugar cane, cotton, silk and rice which remain some of Spain’s main products today.â€
Gosh darn those dastardly farmers!!!
“The persecutions of these Muslim populations and their massive exodus at the time of the Catholic reconquista in the second part of the 15th Century are considered the main reasons why their number shrank to one-third by 1600.â€
Uh, if we weren’t talking about the Moors of Spain, who were we talking about, A**wipe?
So, who killed who in mass numbers? As far as “facts’ go, should I just pull them out of Jeff Gannon’s A** the way you do?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 28, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
And what was the Christian and European Exodus caused by the Moors conquest of Spain and other parts of Europe?
Let us not forget, my retard, that the Moors were in Europe for about 400 years.
Nice that you only cry about the Reconquista and not about what the Moors did while they conquered Europe.
another Muslim apologists that hates Christianity.
your poor imbecile. Obviously educaiton is not your forte. You are speaking in half-truths my imbecile.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:46 pmFurthermore, as I recalled it was a Caliph who allowed Jews to keep their religion. Just like Moors did when they entered Spain. THose damn tolerant bastards!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:46 pmpathetic worms.
Comment by Conservatron
Somebody found a thesaurus... ;)
June 28th, 2007 at 12:47 pmGrand Moff Texan,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:47 pmThe Library of Cordoba were stolen books from Pre existsing Spanish Libraries.
Ogh let's not forget the Muslims destroying the Alexandria Library in Egypt in 642!
Keep posting lies from Jihadi sites!
Wait, if you get to count Clinton as conservative, I get to count Bush as liberal, just look at what he’s done to grow the gov’t and with spending.
I didn't say Clinton is a conservative. Sheesh. I said he's not as liberal as who I consider to be true liberals. He's a moderate.
Bush is a joke. A neocon joke.
So I still blame the liberals for the education issues.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Because you lack critical thinking skills... And apparently ethics. Aren't you at work? Getting paid to be working?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:47 pmy’know, conservatron, if the mongols had invaded western europe and britain in the 13th century, western civilization would be in similar shape.
As they made their way across Central Asia, the Mongols destroyed Muslim libraries, observatories, hospitals, and universities, culminating in the sack of Baghdad, the Abbasid capital and intellectual centre, in 1258. The destruction of Baghdad marked the end of the Islamic Golden Age.
you act like things just happen in a vacuum. a little historical context — something you don’t seem to be too fond of — helps us understand our world and why it is the way it is.
i realize, that doesn’t fit in with your worldview. try to avoid breeding and spreading the ignorance.
Comment by lonesomerobot — June 28, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
You mean to tell me that the Mongols did the same thing as the Arabs (Moors) did to the Spaniards?
wow, go figure. So why do you cry about what the Mongols did to the Muslims, but you and your Libtarded friend, my imbecile Republican of Stupidity, only talk about the poor, innocent, Moors. Oh those poor things, the poor Moors who killed millions of Europeans and caused mass exoduses while conquering Spain and other parts of Europe. Oh those poor, "peaceful" Moors. How dare anyone attack them back, right?
f$#@%$cking pigs, who are Muslim apologists and attack anythign Christian.
the idiots that seem to be talking in a vacuum, my brainwashed fool is you and your Libtarded friend.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmComment by unbelievable
I don't even think that TP can ban anybody. There is no registration in place, for one. It's an open thread.
Quit projecting. You're not entitled to your own facts.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmI was trying to think of 10 great scientific achievements that my Irish ancestors have given the world over the past 300 years, but I gave up after "Guinness beer", "Bailey's Irish Cream", and "car bombs".
June 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmIf so explain Florida?
Comment by The Joker
Well, I personally think it's a sh*t hole. Full of stupid, low-rent trailer trash tourists, and urine smelling, ultra conservative retirees with bad attitudes.
There are simply no indigenous people who still live there, it's a waste-land! That's why so many baby boomers are opting for beach front property in Mexico. Then there's the theory that when Castro dies, southern Florida will become Nueva Habana, so there are LOT'S of people looking to sell their million dollar condos BEFORE this takes place.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:49 pmGrand Moff Texan,
The Library of Cordoba were stolen books from Pre existsing Spanish Libraries.
Ogh let’s not forget the Muslims destroying the Alexandria Library in Egypt in 642!
Keep posting lies from Jihadi sites!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
EXACTLY!!!!!!! but Joker, facts and true history speak against the Libtards ideology of being Muslim apologists.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:50 pmJuan C,
You're wrong.
When the Muslims invaded, they massacred a large part of the population.
The survivors either fled north to Galicia to begin the resistance or became Dhimmis.
Dhimmis are 2nd class citizens in Islamic countries. They paid a Jiyaza tax and in court of law their word was not valid against a Muslim.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:50 pmChurches also couldn't be built bigger than Mosques and weren't allowed to ring their bells.
The Muslims also forced the Christians to werer colored badges on their tunic sleves to distinguish them.
Nice tolerance right Juan?
so, conservatron, are you a christian?
my guess is no, with the way you are behaving here. i mean, i know good christians and have many friends of that faith and they don't act like the complete ass that you are.
oh, that's right, you can just "ask forgiveness" and everything will be fine. what a novel idea. act like a complete jerk any time you want and then just say you're sorry -- to god, of course, and not to who deserves the apology -- and then gear up for bashing 'tards and muslims again. by your standards, hate is the currency of christianity, apparently.
you set a wonderful for christianity and it's little wonder that many people disdain it when they come into contact with wonderful representatives like yourself.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:51 pmProgressivism will die before it even gets underway.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:52 pmSo I still blame the liberals for the education issues.
Comment by squegeebooo
Right, so much better we should all be like the good Kansans who sincerely believe the Earth to be 6,000 yrs old, thereby invalidating the entire recorded body of scientific knowledge.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:52 pmpathetic worms.
Comment by Conservatron
Somebody found a thesaurus… ;)
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Still waiting......name all the great things that Arab nations have done since 1700 until today to advance civilization.
Moors were not tolerant bastards, quite to the contrary. Why don't you go figure out how many Christian churches they burnt on their way to conquer Europe, how many priests and other religious people they murdered.
poor you, so uneducate, such an Muslim apologist. yet you hate Christianity.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pmProgressivism will die before it even gets underway.
Comment by CT V_1
Yes, and regressisivism will florish! Dark Ages, anyone?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pmlonesomerobot,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:54 pmSo read my post about Islamic tolerance?
It was great right being segreagated!
I thought the Left was against that?
Oh well I guess Islamic segregated spain was ok with you guys!
Well to bad!
We won.
We fought for 700 years and freed our country!
Viva la Reconquista!
tp has, in fact, banned many people. they can block user names and ip addresses. COMPTROLLER, er, i mean, CT V_1.
valiant venus used to be mighty aphrodite, for one. she got figured out eventually.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:54 pmRachel and Santo are before my time? Alas, I’m just a newbie, sniff … can we hope for them to be banned again any time soon?
Comment by shane — June 28, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Lucky you :D Santo is well-intentioned, but has personal anger-managment issues. Rachel is sociopathic and will fluctutate bewteen being a liberal to be 'friends' with the regulars and being a neocon to punish the liberals for not befriending her. She faked her own suicide to get attention a few months ago. Pretty desperate stuff.
I think there is an issue that allows people on laptops to change IP addresses, which is what TP actually bans. So as long as they resist registration, I think we are stuck with the insanity.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:54 pmAre you off your meds for insinuating the troops being terrorists? Because that’s what this site is about. You might want to stick to the theme and state it directly
Comment by CT V_1
The only thing I have to say is "Huh?"
I know this is confusing, especially since your leaders lie to you constantly, but nobody here supports terrorists or Islamofascists or whatever you're calling them. I don't care what you think about this site, you are WRONG.
We want the troops home, it is your people who bring up the issue of what wil happen to the Iraqis. Isn't that you people supporting muslims? We want our troops, rested, healthy and safe. If that isn't support to you then you are delusional.
You can dish it out and do all day. But the minute somebody says something back you're crying, "I'm young, I'm young!" Thank god you're not in the military. I'd feel sorry for any soldier counting on you to watch his back, coward.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:55 pmThe Republic of Stupidity ,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHey what's yup Muslim lover.
Answer my facts that I pointed out about Muslim occupied Spain?
I bet you can't.
Your just a White Muslim lover that believes Muslim propganda.
Well you got hit with facts from a Spaniard!
Ha!
Comment by yamantaka — June 28, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Yes, you’re obviously one of those growing number of Americans who have grown tired of democracy and dream of living under a fascist state.
Race-based hiring and admissions--THAT'S your notion of "democracy?"
As for your post, don’t you feel any empathy now for how it feels to be discriminated against? Or does that response, being a conservative, escape you?
I think his point is that he doesn't favor discrimination, period--particularly that sanctioned by the government. Or did that simplicity manage to escape you?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:55 pmJuan C,
You’re wrong.
When the Muslims invaded, they massacred a large part of the population.
The survivors either fled north to Galicia to begin the resistance or became Dhimmis.
Dhimmis are 2nd class citizens in Islamic countries. They paid a Jiyaza tax and in court of law their word was not valid against a Muslim.
Churches also couldn’t be built bigger than Mosques and weren’t allowed to ring their bells.
The Muslims also forced the Christians to werer colored badges on their tunic sleves to distinguish them.
Nice tolerance right Juan?
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Joker, you are speaking facts and history....poor idiotic, uneducated Juan C. mind doesn't get this. Education is beyond him. he just spews the Muslim propaganda that he obviously swallowed.
Europeans, in their own country, under the Moors, were second class citizens. But that is how imbeciles like Juan C. want it again.
Let us also not forget that Muslims are the ones to have owned more black slaves in the history of humanity.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:56 pmGot to love the racial discrimination liberals.
I guess they are lucky it wasn't their kid who was forced to take a 45 minute bus ride across Seattle because he was white.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:56 pmConservatron,
June 28th, 2007 at 12:56 pmNotice the Leftards are silent now that exposed their little anti-Hispanic Pro-Muslim lie!
They should do research before posting Jihadi Propaganda!
poor you, so uneducate, such an Muslim apologist. yet you hate Christianity.
Comment by Conservatron
Even I know how to spell that right.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:57 pmI will let you know when I care about your quizz.
You’re ignorant. Teachers are required to teach from a state approved curriculum, to cater to the Federal NCLB standardized tests. There isn’t time for anything but teaching. Some school have even cut PE and recess to get in more teaching of usless trivia for Bush’s stupid tests.
You mean Ted Kennedy's stupid tests?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:57 pmso, conservatron, are you a christian?
my guess is no, with the way you are behaving here. i mean, i know good christians and have many friends of that faith and they don’t act like the complete ass that you are.
oh, that’s right, you can just “ask forgiveness†and everything will be fine. what a novel idea. act like a complete jerk any time you want and then just say you’re sorry — to god, of course, and not to who deserves the apology — and then gear up for bashing ‘tards and muslims again. by your standards, hate is the currency of christianity, apparently.
you set a wonderful for christianity and it’s little wonder that many people disdain it when they come into contact with wonderful representatives like yourself.
Comment by lonesomerobot — June 28, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
and who the f@#cuks said I was a Christian, you moronic, stereotyping, Libtard pig.
It is just obvious, that Libtards today have become Muslim apologists while hating Christianity. That is a conclusion that anyone with an IQ over 80 can come to.
poor imbecile you are.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:58 pmHa silence from the Leftards about Muslim occupied Spain!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:00 pmI wonder why?
I guess they didn't expect the facts I pointed out!
Ha!
They hate it that us Spanish people were civilized!
Thay can't belive we're not helpless little losers!
Ha!
Bottomline, trolls:
So it is OK to invade a country based on lies? I guess destroying a country and killing civilians is OK, for you. Well, you deserve the same thing.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:00 pmpoor you, so uneducate, such an Muslim apologist. yet you hate Christianity.
Comment by Conservatron
Even I know how to spell that right.
I will let you know when I care about your quizz.
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Of course you don't care.....the only thing you care about is pissing on those you disagree with.
You love to defend Muslim, Islam, yet you love pissing on Christianity.
still my poor uneducated Libtard. I am laughing at your immense stupidity.
as every Libtard, education is not your forte.
you display it by not understanding the difference between typos and a true lack of educaiton. Obviously, you land in the latter my imbecile.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:01 pmlook, i'm not a muslim, i don't really care for their ideas. but i do acknowledge that they are humans and as such deserve at least basic consideration. the hatred you spew is the root of the problem we have in the first place.
religion 1 says WE'RE RIGHT and YOU'RE WRONG
religion 2 says the same thing.
animosity, hatred, war.
repeat.
it's a stupid cycle and it has to end somewhere. it doesn't mean being an apologist for anybody. it means using reason and logic instead of fear and divisiveness.
when you embrace fear and hate, you're easily manipulated. there's no solution in that, only subversion.
so quit with your baseless arguments, haters. you just make things worse.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:02 pm#229, the muslims did not destroy the Alexandria library Joker. The Alexandria library was burned by the early christians who had just come to power in the region. They did so because the scholars with their sciency ways who tended to the library dared to challenge the truthfulness of the new christian power structure.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:02 pmthe Supreme Court today ruled 5-4 to reject public school assignment plans “that take account of students’ race.â€
Umm... Yeah.
That's because they are not racist.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:02 pmso, you can't read, can you, conservatron.
"so, conservatron, are you a christian?
my guess is no, with the way you are behaving here."
funny how a non-christian would be so defensive about it.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:04 pmBottomline, trolls:
So it is OK to invade a country based on lies? I guess destroying a country and killing civilians is OK, for you. Well, you deserve the same thing.
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
You deserve the same thing? hahahahahahahahaha!!!
so you have not real facts to offer and all you can offer is some stupid left wing pushed line?
Libtard puppet, you really need to stop letting your strings being pulled by imbeciles like Michael Moore, Al Franken, Al Gore, and the rest of the idiotic left wing pundits and politicians that have ordered you to say this pathetic line.
Here is another quesiton for you, what had the Iberian kingdoms done to the Moors to deserve to be conquered by them for 400 years?
I think if we talk like you, if the Arabs are going to go around conquering nations for centuries, they shouldn't cry when it happens to them, right my retard?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:04 pm#255,
Joker, do you realize that the only people in this country that want to empower minorities are liberals? Why do Cubans hate themselves so much? Where do you get these ideas that Hispanics are so helpless? Must be a Miami Cuban thing.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:04 pmwow, go figure. So why do you cry about what the Mongols did to the Muslims, but you and your Libtarded friend, my imbecile Republican of Stupidity, only talk about the poor, innocent, Moors. Oh those poor things, the poor Moors who killed millions of Europeans and caused mass exoduses while conquering Spain and other parts of Europe. Oh those poor, “peaceful†Moors. How dare anyone attack them back, right?
f$#@%$cking pigs, who are Muslim apologists and attack anythign Christian.
the idiots that seem to be talking in a vacuum, my brainwashed fool is you and your Libtarded friend.
Comment by Conservatron
First it was thousands, and now it's "millions" of Europeans. Gee, we're almost gettin' up to the numbers killed by the Nazis here - Northern Europeans... oops, that's "racist' on my part. Say, wasn't Brusch's grandada a card-carryin' Nazi?
BTW, the distinction will be lost on someone as stupid as you, but I didn't defend "the poor, innocent Moors", nor did I attack Christians. it'd be interesting to debate you, but you don't know how to debate. Any making up facts doesn' mean you know what you're talking about.
I get the feling you're "m12". same sneering condescension, same lack of facts...
Unlike you, I have aday job to go to. Oh, and your mom wants her dress back. She has to go to her 2nd job. Somebody has to pay the bills while her worthless son sits around the basement in her dress all day.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by Dumb_Fox — June 28, 2007 @ 10:47 am
AP: “Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a dissent that was joined by the court’s other three liberals.â€
Bullcrap. Breyer and Ginsberg are broadly liberal. The other two dissenters, who I presume were Stevens and Souter, were appointed by a Republican president and are basically fair-minded conservatives, the kind that used to control the GOP.
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!
"Fair-minded conservatives"!
STOOOOOP! Yer killin me!
The five in the majority are reactionary jerks. The kind who say:
Race considered in school selection: Bad
Banning student free speech: Good
Direct me to the provision in the Constitution where "diversity" trumps equal protection.
As for banning student free speech, when was the last time you spent time at a university? See what happens when you try to print a conservative student newspaper or "offend" a "progressive" with "hate" speech. Prepare for a Stalinist inquisition and expulsion.
Dumb Fox, indeed. But thanks for the laugh.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:05 pmYes!!!!
It was the Muslims who enslaved the Blacks in the 1st place!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
THIS IS 100% TRUTH!!!
But the Islamo-Defeatist Left doesn't want to admit the FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:05 pmI constantly see childish suggestions that two people, whom you disagree with, must be homos because they’re simply having a conversation. I think I know what I see, so you’re attempting to play the victim here.
OK, then. Let’s get our ground forces out and focus on only bombing the hell out of terrorists instead. With aerial warfare, I think we’d realize fewer U.S. casualties.
Comment by CT V_1
I make those comments because you drool over Mr. P like a lovesick puppy. I just calls em like I sees em.
Okay, if you can pinpoint terrorists and take them out with a surgical strike I'm all for it.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:05 pm#187 - you filthy hatemonger. In that case, I should be able to call Maxine Waters a monkey since I disagree with her politics.
Liberals = HATE, IGNORANCE and intolerance
Comment by Elizabeth Edwards is An Attack Dog — June 28, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
You're gonna have to work harder than that, ding dong! :-D
June 28th, 2007 at 1:06 pmNo, it’s not that simplistic. The tests have repeatedly been proven to be biased toward white males.
Please provide an example of a math question that is biased, and explain how it is biased towards whites and how it is biased towards males.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:06 pmTrolls,
The Christians abused the Muslims, just as Jews abused Chrsitains and Mulsims now abuse Jews - AND all in reverse.
You zealots are simply different branches on the same tree of Middle Eastern montheism, yet you're constantly trying to cut one another off the tree. How utterly internecene of you.
Hopefully, I hope you all get together and chop the entire tree down at the base of its trunk. The world would be better off with out ALL of you and your holy wars in the name of your invisible sky daddy. Sheesh!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:07 pmlook, i’m not a muslim, i don’t really care for their ideas. but i do acknowledge that they are humans and as such deserve at least basic consideration. the hatred you spew is the root of the problem we have in the first place.
religion 1 says WE’RE RIGHT and YOU’RE WRONG
religion 2 says the same thing.
animosity, hatred, war.
repeat.
it’s a stupid cycle and it has to end somewhere. it doesn’t mean being an apologist for anybody. it means using reason and logic instead of fear and divisiveness.
when you embrace fear and hate, you’re easily manipulated. there’s no solution in that, only subversion.
so quit with your baseless arguments, haters. you just make things worse.
Comment by lonesomerobot — June 28, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
hatred I spew? so, speaking the facts, speaking history about a group of people is spewing hatred? wow.
nice to know that.
and embrace fear and hate? wow!!!! have you been living under a rock the past 7 years?
Libtards are full of hate towards President Bush and his administration, towards Christians, Republicans and anyone else that disagrees with them
fear? have you not seen how fearful you Libtards about Global Warming? you are right, you guys are so full of fear that you have allowed demagogues like Al Gore pull your strings.
idiot, another perfect idiot.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:07 pmBullcrap. Breyer and Ginsberg are broadly liberal. The other two dissenters, who I presume were Stevens and Souter, were appointed by a Republican president and are basically fair-minded conservatives, the kind that used to control the GOP.
Rofl! The traitor Souter, who lied his way into the job, is by almost any measure more liberal than Breyer is.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:08 pmSpain under the Moors was one of the most open societies of its time. Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together, if not in harmony, at least in mutual respect and general toleration. It wasn't until Ferdinand and Isabella merged Aragon and Castille and expelled the Moors that things got ugly - i.e. the Inquisition - forced conversion and auto de fey. Not to mention sailing across the ocean to murder and plunder a whole continent.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:08 pmYou zealots are simply different branches on the same tree of Middle Eastern montheism, yet you’re constantly trying to cut one another off the tree. How utterly internecene of you.
Comment by unbelievable — June 28, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
You're the only zealot here, Sister Unbelievable!!!
Preach!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:09 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
the Supreme Court today ruled 5-4 to reject public school assignment plans “that take account of students’ race.â€
Umm… Yeah.
That’s because they are not racist.
Yeah, don't you love the Orwellian spin on this whole thing? That those who have removed consideration of race are... racists!
Brilliant!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:09 pmWhy do conservative idiots always play the liberals hate christians theme? If we're gonna judge between liberals and conservatives, liberals behave far more christ-like than conservatives. Judging by the tone of the conservatives here, joker and conservatron sound like wannabe christian al qaeda extremists.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:10 pmProgressivism will die before it even gets underway.
Comment by CT V_1
You wish. We scare you don't we?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:10 pmComment by yamantaka — June 28, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Yes, you’re obviously one of those growing number of Americans who have grown tired of democracy and dream of living under a fascist state.
Race-based hiring and admissions–THAT’S your notion of “democracy?â€
As for your post, don’t you feel any empathy now for how it feels to be discriminated against? Or does that response, being a conservative, escape you?
I think his point is that he doesn’t favor discrimination, period–particularly that sanctioned by the government. Or did that simplicity manage to escape you?
Comment by big papa — June 28, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Oh, yes, we know well the conservative mind-set: treat everyone equally, which means, if you're a conservative, not a dime for those less fortunate than you are. After all, why should the federal government give a hand to all those lazy minorities who just want to hang out all day, watch tv, do drugs, and collect food stamps? Oh, and no f*cking amnnesty for those damn illegal aliens (Hispanics, etc.). Yes, conservatives are known the land over for their just treatment of the less fortunate among us.
I think Bend Over refers to screwing the little guy. Compassionate conservatism, indeed.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:11 pmUnlike you, I have aday job to go to. Oh, and your mom wants her dress back. She has to go to her 2nd job. Somebody has to pay the bills while her worthless son sits around the basement in her dress all day.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 28, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
another Libtard that can't win the argument with facts so he has to attack the family of those he disagrees with.
yes go run away and hide. We all know you have been defeated. Facts and history never back up the Libtards.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:11 pmAnd don't bother to label me a racist - Spainards are caucasian Europeans; knowing historical facts means one is educated - which, going back to the origins of this thread, conservatives seems to thing is not for everyone.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:11 pm#31
You know what else benefits education! Sleep! Tough to get that when you have to wake up at 6 AM to catch your bus.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:12 pmunbelievable
False logic. It was passed by a Republican majority. It’s a Republican problem.
Yet you argue that the current popularity rating of the congress isn't a D problem, how do you reconcile those two thought lines.
No it isn’t. You’re trying to pretend it is to deflect from the fact that you can’t argue the actual issue on merits…
Your argument is that there is a really bad graduation rate in America, I showed you statistics, based off of averages of 6 different sources, not just 2 like you used, that put it much higher than your claims. My argument on the merits seems pretty solid.
Because you lack critical thinking skills… And apparently ethics. Aren’t you at work? Getting paid to be working?
Sure am, part of what I'm doing takes several minutes to run, so I get to do this in those minutes. Somewhat similar to you showing your kids movies last year so you could go on TP.
I didn’t say Clinton is a conservative. Sheesh. I said he’s not as liberal as who I consider to be true liberals. He’s a moderate.
we have a low graduation rate in this country and we are governed by conservatives (I consider Clinton conservative in comparision to previous Democrats such as FDR and Jefferson)
This statement taken in it's totality shows that you think Clinton is a conservative. In the first part you blame stuff, once again, on conservatives, you then go on to explain why you count clinton as a conservative in comparision to other leading national figures of their time. There is no reason to bring Clinton into it at all, unless you mean to show that he counts as a conservative so I can't try and bring some of his decisions from the 90's into the debate to place any blame on liberals. Stop trying to weasel out of your arguments.
66% is just 6% off… and 68% is just 8% Again, not that far off… Anyone except you have a problem with that?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:13 pmYah, you had a 71% for '98 in one of your posts, that was the 11%, the 14% was just bad math, my mistake.
So as long as they resist registration, I think we are stuck with the insanity.
Comment by unbelievable
I think so. I got here right when Rachel was offing herself. Thanks for the background and for taking the time today TRYING to explain education to the trolls. Good luck.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:14 pmComment by Anne Coulter's Dirty Black Dress
"You wish. We scare you don’t we?"
I'll need an example on what I have to be scared about. Hype doesn't count.
Progressive is nothing but a fear-mongering machine. It has no value. There's no record.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:14 pmMy Irish ancestors were second-class citizens their own country, under the English.
And my German ancestors who were Jewish were treated as second-class citizens in their own country, also.
In fact, most Europeans (the peasantry) at the time of Moorish Spain were treated as second-class citizens by their rulers.
Didn't really have much in the way of "civil rights" back in Medieval Europe.
Not bashing Christedom, just pointing out a fact.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:15 pmPlease provide an example of a math question that is biased, and explain how it is biased towards whites and how it is biased towards males.
Comment by m12 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
You do know that math is just one fraction of the testing right? That there is more to bias than just how the test is written?
Though educators recognize that standardized tests have a place in the arsenal of tools used to assess student achievement, many feel that overuse and misuse of these tests is having serious negative consequences on teaching and learning. According to FairTest, when standardized tests are the primary factor in accountability, the temptation is to use the tests to define curriculum and focus instruction. What is not tested is not taught, and how the subject is tested becomes a model for how to teach the subject. Critics say this disfavors higher-order learning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardized_test#Disadvantages_and_criticism
June 28th, 2007 at 1:15 pm#261 Comment by dantheman — June 28, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Joker, do you realize that the only people in this country that want to empower minorities are liberals? Why do Cubans hate themselves so much? Where do you get these ideas that Hispanics are so helpless? Must be a Miami Cuban thing.
Yes, joker, only WE know what's best for you. And if you don't agree with us, it's because you're stupid, ignorant, uneducated or duped.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:16 pmComment by Eric Arthur Blair — June 28, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Actually. This is the most pathetic attempt by TP to manufacture controversy.
Let me change that.
This is one of the most pathetic attempts by TP to manufacture controversy.
HEY!!! ALL YOU RACISTS FUKCS THAT WANTED TO SEE "RACE AS A FACTOR," THIS IS AMERICA!!! WE DON'T ACCEPT YOU RACIST BULLSHIT!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:17 pmYes, joker, only WE know what’s best for you. And if you don’t agree with us, it’s because you’re stupid, ignorant, uneducated or duped.
Comment by Arrogant Liberal — June 28, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Typical Lefto-Defeatist arrogant liberal.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:18 pmTHIS IS 100% TRUTH!!!
But the Islamo-Defeatist Left doesn’t want to admit the FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
I guess the bolds and lots of exclamation marks are required when nobody gives a shit about your posts...
June 28th, 2007 at 1:19 pmhopeless.
if the vast array of names and epithets you spew is not hatred, what exactly is it? how is anyone supposed to take you seriously if you come into a debate calling the other party 'tards, idiots, imbeciles, brainwashed, puppets, uneducated...
...and that's all in the last 10 minutes. you really are a piece of work. but keep it up. you're serving conservatism well. you should be the public spokesperson, it would do wonders for the republican party. you obviously speak the language and share the ideology that has worked really well for the right recently.
you probably aren't smart enough to realize that as long as we push you into histrionics, and you respond in the absurd manner that you do, any moderate or independent that might otherwise agree with you will read what you write and have to see that you are more motivated by opposition and hatred than you are by healthy debate that seeks to find solutions.
so keep on screaming your worthless screeds, conservatron. it certainly is doing wonders for conservatism.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:20 pmPlease provide an example of a math question that is biased, and explain how it is biased towards whites and how it is biased towards males.
Comment by m12 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
I know!!!
These Lefties want to dumb everything down to their level!!!
What is the matter Lefties, when the going gets tough, the Liberal start whining!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:20 pmYou do know that math is just one fraction of the testing right? That there is more to bias than just how the test is written?
So, from your response, I assume you also feel the math section is unbiased?
But fine. Please provide an example of a reading question, writing prompt, or whatever you can think of, that is biased towards white males.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:21 pmso keep on screaming your worthless screeds, conservatron. it certainly is doing wonders for conservatism.
Comment by lonesomerobot
He must be one of the most boring posters after Jake.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:23 pmProgressive is nothing but a fear-mongering machine. It has no value. There’s no record.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Since you realize that, the scare tactics won't work.
All these so-called "progressives" do is scare each other!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:23 pmyes go run away and hide. We all know you have been defeated. Facts and history never back up the Libtards.
Comment by Conservatron
Oh don't be so upset, RoS has a real job and does need to go to work.
But if you need a new dress I'll scrape myself off this skank and be right there. I don't smell too great but I'm sure you don't either, sitting in your own excrement and all.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:25 pmBut fine. Please provide an example of a reading question, writing prompt, or whatever you can think of, that is biased towards white males.
Comment by m12 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
It is not that, some coloreds and females, even homos, are just fine with the regular tests.
Then if one is too stupid, some Leftist comes along and starts bitching about bias!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:25 pm#290
I think the mile run fitness test is biased. Males, on average, run it faster than females, therefore, it must be biased!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:26 pmProgressive is nothing but a fear-mongering machine. It has no value. There’s no record.
Comment by CT V_1
Oh now you're just making shit up. Go have lunch, maybe you'll be able to start thinking.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:26 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Oh, how's it goin' Mr. PiP?
Metaprogressiveness has more value than "progressivism," yet it's not even a directly-recognized state. Any takes?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:27 pmYet you argue that the current popularity rating of the congress isn’t a D problem, how do you reconcile those two thought lines.
I already explained this either in this thread of the Think Fast thread today.
Your argument is that there is a really bad graduation rate in America, I showed you statistics, based off of averages of 6 different sources, not just 2 like you used, that put it much higher than your claims. My argument on the merits seems pretty solid.
There is a really bad graduation rate in America.
I showed you an independent university study that explained why your numbers were off.
Your argument is biased, and the even if therate actually were 80% (it's not), that's still not something to brag about.... That equates to millions of drop-outs. Europe
Sure am, part of what I’m doing takes several minutes to run, so I get to do this in those minutes. Somewhat similar to you showing your kids movies last year so you could go on TP.
Backwards, I was able to go on TP because the kids were watching a movie during the exam schedule when they were done. Not the same...
This statement taken in it’s totality shows that you think Clinton is a conservative.
No it doesn't. You really don't have reading comprehension skills.
In the first part you blame stuff, once again, on conservatives, you then go on to explain why you count clinton as a conservative in comparision to other leading national figures of their time.
They deserve the blame. No, I was discrediting Clinton because I knew you would bring him up.
Stop trying to weasel out of your arguments.
I'm not. I'm just correcting the fact that you are misinterpreting them.
Yah, you had a 71% for ‘98 in one of your posts, that was the 11%, the 14% was just bad math, my mistake.
Comment by squegeebooo — June 28, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
1998 was 9 years ago. The point in that post was to show that it discredited your post, and why.
You're hopeless... You are just twisting things to try to annoy me, because no one can really be this ridiculous, can they? Or perhaps you really cannot multi task and should just focus on your job, for which you are being paid to do well...
June 28th, 2007 at 1:27 pm#143-Joker
June 28th, 2007 at 1:28 pmI do not think you are as Hispanic or Latino as you profess to be. I do know that you do not speak much Spanish. How again does one say "thank you" in Spanish? Spelling counts (ask any teacher).
Comment by Anne Coulter's Dirty Black Dress
I'm still waiting for that proof......
June 28th, 2007 at 1:28 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
I guess the bolds and lots of exclamation marks are required when nobody gives a shit about your posts…
Comment by Juan C
So true Juan. But you have to admit, it makes it easier to ignore him.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:29 pmI think the mile run fitness test is biased. Males, on average, run it faster than females, therefore, it must be biased!
Comment by m12 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
It is!!!
That's why girls do not have to run it as fast as boys in elementary school.
Same with ALL the other fitness tests, Males are physically superior and therefore have to perform at a higher level.
If these Lefties want to say the same about intelligence, they should just say.
But instead they hide behind "white male bias."
Give me a break Lefties!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:30 pmComment by Anne Coulter's Dirty Black Dress
The force-fed liberal state is failing....
Your agenda for tampering and dominance is thankfully being rejected by the American people.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:30 pmComment by Arrogant Liberal — June 28, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Typical Lefto-Defeatist arrogant liberal.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Here we go again. Another troll acknowleding itself under a pseudo name.
(yawn)
I'm just about ready for a vote on registration here at TP. Not that I want anyone banned. Just to prevent the constant name changing that "plugs" up a thread (like a healthy B.M. that can plug up a toilet)
By the way CT_V 1:
You’re sitting behind your computer spewing vile that should get you quarantined, aren’t you? Traitorous language coming from you, no surprise there.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Great friggin' rebuttal, 7 minutes after I announced I was leaving for lunch.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:31 pmawwwwww, you're so brave! Chicken Hawks around the Internet(s) are so proud!
So, from your response, I assume you also feel the math section is unbiased?
No. Don't sleep more than 3 hours tonight, while skipping both dinner and breakfast and then let's do some math...
But fine. Please provide an example of a reading question, writing prompt, or whatever you can think of, that is biased towards white males.
Comment by m12 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Ask a white man - they are the ones who write the tests based on their perspectives and experiences... I'm not a man, so I couldn't make one up.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:31 pmThis SCOTUS decision doesn't reverse Brown v. Board of Ed., it just says that assigning students based on race is wrong. They got it right.
Denying or assigning where a student goes BASED ON RACE...is racism.
Plain and simple. You can argue till your blue in the face and make any kind of "Yeah, but what if" 's you want, but the fact remains.
Home buyers with families choose where to live based on the area schools (Realtors often list the schools nearest a neighborhood) that their children will attend. Bussing them from one end of a county to the other in order to even out the racial mix of a school IS RACISM.
SCOTUS isn't demanding that the schools DEsegregate. It IS saying that students should be allowed to attend the school closest to their HOME.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:31 pmOh, how’s it goin’ Mr. PiP?
Metaprogressiveness has more value than “progressivism,†yet it’s not even a directly-recognized state. Any takes?
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
I'm pretty good.
I see you have met The Joker, he is another Metaprogressive (tm)
June 28th, 2007 at 1:31 pmOh, how’s it goin’ Mr. PiP?
Metaprogressiveness has more value than “progressivism,†yet it’s not even a directly-recognized state. Any takes?
Comment by CT V_1
Yeeesh, you're slobbering again.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:31 pmHow again does one say “thank you†in Spanish? Spelling counts (ask any teacher).
Comment by Annie B. — June 28, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Give Joker, Joker, JOKER! time. It's trying to "google" the correct answer to impress you.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:32 pmSCOTUS isn’t demanding that the schools DEsegregate. It IS saying that students should be allowed to attend the school closest to their HOME.
Comment by SGT Higgins — June 28, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
AMEN!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:32 pmDRxJ:
And there should be an ignore button. It will save a lot of scrolling down.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:33 pm#306
So you assert that testing is somehow biased, but you cannot find a single example of that bias........
OK!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:33 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
The Department of White Mail Leadership, U.S. Go-Postal Service.
(If the liberal establishment had their way.)
June 28th, 2007 at 1:34 pmNo. Don’t sleep more than 3 hours tonight, while skipping both dinner and breakfast and then let’s do some math…
What does that have to do with gender?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:34 pmComment by yamantaka — June 28, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Oh, yes, we know well the conservative mind-set: treat everyone equally, which means, if you’re a conservative, not a dime for those less fortunate than you are. After all, why should the federal government give a hand to all those lazy minorities who just want to hang out all day, watch tv, do drugs, and collect food stamps?
Wow, you deduced all that from the simple observation that the Constitution doesn't put "diversity" of race and/or skin color in hiring and admissions over equal protection?
Do tell, Nostradamus!
Oh, and no f*cking amnnesty for those damn illegal aliens (Hispanics, etc.).
I'm not sure where this fits in with this topic. But if you can offer valid reasons why we SHOULD legalize illegal aliens, I'm all ears.
I think Bend Over refers to screwing the little guy. Compassionate conservatism, indeed.
As John Roberts astutely observed at his confirmation hearings, if the Constitution demands that the little guy is supposed to win, then the little guy wins. If the Constitution demands that the big guy wins, then the big guy wins. See, Roberts doesn't start with a desired outcome and concoct a bogus argument to support it, as liberal judicial activists do. He actually let's the text of the Constitution guide him to a decision. A novel, and evil concept, I know.
Yes, conservatives are known the land over for their just treatment of the less fortunate among us.
Well, we all recognize how amazingly generous liberals are to the less fortunate... with other people's money.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:34 pmHow again does one say “thank you†in Spanish? Spelling counts (ask any teacher).
Comment by Annie B. — June 28, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Give Joker, Joker, JOKER! time. It’s trying to “google†the correct answer to impress you.
Comment by DRxJ — June 28, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
Typical Arrogant Lefty know-it-alls.
The Joker is of Latino descent!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:35 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
The Joker is fine, but I get the feeling he's Valiant/PresidentClinton/etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThe Joker is fine, but I get the feeling he’s Valiant/PresidentClinton/etc.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
No. You are wrong.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:37 pmAll I can say is thank God. You work you ass off to get away from cities and the crime that comes with it, but then it follow you.
I have a friend with a 3rd grade child in a local school. We pay taxes for this school yet they bus in inner city kids. His boy was beaten up by 3 of these kids at least 4 times that I know of and the school says there is nothing they can do. If you don’t like it then send your kid to a private school.
Does this sound fair? Yes, his kid is “soft†and these city kids are rough. But why should he be denied and education, live in fear or have to cost more money? This is our town. We moved here, pay for houses and pay our taxes here and they don’t. I thought this was America. Does that not mean the land of opportunity? You are not guaranteed to be handed anything. You are given the opportunity to better yourself, work hard to give your kids more so they can do the same for their families and their futures.
Oh, I forgot. Cities are “blue†areas. Cities are full of crime and Democrats. They want this to be a socialist country. Notice I never mentioned anyone’s race here so don’t start that crap. It has to do with suburban verses rural attitudes.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI guess the bolds and lots of exclamation marks are required when nobody gives a shit about your posts…
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
He does that when he's not getting his proper dose of attention.....
June 28th, 2007 at 1:38 pmSo you assert that testing is somehow biased, but you cannot find a single example of that bias……..
Comment by m12 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
You didn't say find, you said give you. I'm not your f*cking rover - go google your own research. Just type in 'test bias'
What does that have to do with gender?
Comment by m12 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Socio-economic bias... Not all bias is male-female.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:38 pm#303
Why not just outlaw the mile run, or better yet, redefine a mile for women to be 4500 feet?
And basketball? Clearly it is biased against Asians, since you see so few of them in collegiate or professional leagues. Let's lower the basket to 5 feet!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:38 pmComment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
The Joker wants to eliminate Muslim rule world wide.
He is a creative thinker.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:38 pmInteresting comments. As I have seen the US before the 1964 Civil Rights bill I can only say America will have it's own revolution as minorities died for equality.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:39 pmAt lease the world see the US for what it is now. I wondered by Republicans wouldn't out law hanging now I know why. Our country treated it's own like Saddam. Now today we see African Americans giving their lives for the United States only to come back to see they have lost their rights. I wonder what the Iraq people think of Bush's cheers of Freedom? People are human and will always fight for that freedom as slaves did. I guess the acts of Rosa Parks is forgotten. Senator Lott and Christian Republicans have always said the South will Raise again and they did it. With the help of President Cheney, CIA and the Nixon play book. Now if an American wants their children to grow in without racism taught by the US, their parents have to send them overseas. Tiger Woods knew this as his child wont have to learn the hate this country spreads. Roberts and Alito will next dismantle Woman's Rights and Voting Rights then things will be back as they were before. Welcome to the new America. I'm glad I got to see what it's like to have equality and freedom in the United States if only for 43 years it's better then nothing. Let's hope the US can bring back the Constitution for all again.
The graduation 1999 rate of Japan was 95%, Germany was 92%, and France was 85%.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:39 pmComment by m12 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Why not eliminate SCHOOL completely!!!
It is clearly biased!!!
Everyone should just sit at home and collect a check!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:40 pmlet me ask the Libtards, name 10 scientific achievements that come out of the Arab world in the past 300 years.
tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock…………
Comment by Conservatron — June 28, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
You can start here:
http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/winfo/muslminv.htm
http://muslimheritage.com/topics/default.cfm?ArticleID=674
http://www.apomie.com/arabhistory.htm (Search on "Mathematics")
http://www.imarabe.org/ang/perm/mondearabe/theme/docs/4.html
This one is even more fun:
June 28th, 2007 at 1:40 pmhttp://www.krysstal.com/search_inventions.html
It is a search engine vectored off a DB that lets one search by country. Try "Arabia" the "Spain". The 300 year restriction is a bit wanting since the countries involved have been occupied for almost that entire period.
Comment by DRxJ
I never read the post that you were "leaving for lunch." I think I know that people can and do come back later to read posts, then issue responses.
Nobody's afraid. We're here debating right now, aren't we?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:40 pmInteresting comments. As I have seen the US before the 1964 Civil Rights bill I can only say America will have it’s own revolution as minorities died for equality.
Comment by Jackie — June 28, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Well if that is true, you should know that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 specifically says NO RACE BASED DISCRIMINATION!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:41 pmSpeaking of doing something else... I'm gonna.
Later
June 28th, 2007 at 1:43 pmThe Joker wants to eliminate Muslim rule world wide.
He is a creative thinker.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
I think that's the bold part of The Joker. He also hates lefty race-victimizers.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:43 pm#321
What a joke! You asserted a gender bias exists but can't prove it!
I've checked several of your google links, nowhere has anyone provided an example of bias....
June 28th, 2007 at 1:43 pmPIP, you are an ignorant fool. Check out Title IV of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You clearly are Last Among Equals.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:45 pmComment by david — June 28, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
You mean this:
TITLE IV--DESEGREGATION OF PUBLIC EDUCATION
DEFINITIONS
SEC. 401. As used in this title--
(b) "Desegregation" means the assignment of students to public schools and within such schools without regard to their race, color, religion, or national origin, but "desegregation" shall not mean the assignment of students to public schools in order to overcome racial imbalance
Is this the same david that I have met before.
If so,
Go Fukc Yourself
June 28th, 2007 at 1:48 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
That's the thing here. This striking of this law actually helps keep the Civil Rights Act in check, scales back favoritism to sustain equality. The left is reactionary in their belief that we'll suddenly return to the 50's, that's not possible under today's decision.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:48 pmComment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Exactly right CT.
These Lefties are bunch of racists and sexists!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWell, unbelievable has left, so I'll ask the rest of TP the same question:
Please provide a single question that is biased towards white males.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:52 pmSpeaking of doing something else… I’m gonna.
Later
Comment by unbelievable — June 28, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Typical Lefto-Defeatist.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:52 pmPIP, you are an ignorant fool. Check out Title IV of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You clearly are Last Among Equals.
Comment by david — June 28, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Typical Lefty Arrogant Know-it-all.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:53 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Thinkpropaganda.org
June 28th, 2007 at 1:53 pm#326
Absolutely!
I think life has an intelligence bias, because intelligent people tend to be more successful.
Or a hard work bias, since hard working people tend to be more successful.
Or an eyesight bias, since people who are able to see tend to be more successful.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:56 pmThe Supreme Court's decision today was clearly constitutional.
TITLE IV–DESEGREGATION OF PUBLIC EDUCATION, as PiP provided.
No leftist in here has actually based their complaints of today's decision on any article of the constitution, which is the function of the Supreme Court.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWell, we get the usual regressive conservative viewpoints: EQUAL means SAME, Accommodation means Bias, and Intervention means Unnatural.
Phooey. You sexist, racist, bigoted b@stards wouldn't no Equality if it bit you on the ar$e. You wouldn't know Liberty if it didn't come with a price tag. And you certainly don't know what the heck Fraternity is unless it means a college booze can named by three Greek letters.
I have no idea what the off topic banter about Islam has to do with Desegregation. And, judging by the over 300 posts, we've struck another neo-con nerve. Just as they freaked at the study that should a conservative bias in the media, they're sh!tting bricks at the thought that their little racist, sexist, bigoted agenda might be uncovered.
I'm sorry, Herr Nazi PIP, but the days of a White Christian Male USA are OVER. Get over it. Embrace Liberty Equality and Fraternity. Stop looking nostalgically back at the Jim Crow laws, slavery, and the days when women were second class. That ship has sailed. Move on.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI'm not tracking on the issue here, I suppose. (I know I am a bit slow at times)
June 28th, 2007 at 2:08 pmIt seems to me that this vote won't allow schools to be "racially balanced" by moving kids around; am I wrong in that thinking?
I realize that some schools suck (IE Cincinnati public), and not all parents are able to move to a different district. (those of you who said that parents should pick better need to get in touch with an average person's reality) However, if your kids school has issues, go after them with vigor to get it fixed! And also, it's not just the schools responsibility to make sure that a kid gets a good education, it's the parents as well! You can't NEVER check little Johnny or Susies homework, and then bitch when they bring home a failing grade. That's what being a responsible parent means. (checking homework, getting involved, ect)
Also, think of the kids in this aspect: If the "bussing" would have been allowed, you would take a kid who has been around the same classmates for several years, and thrust them into a new set of demographics, new personalities, new cliques, ect. This is hard on kids! Being Military, I have seen a lot of my friends school aged children regress when they transfer duty stations after several years.
Bottom line, let's improve the schools we have, and not take the "grass is greener cross-town" approach.
Comment by david
You're getting a little bit too excited there, nuncle.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:10 pmYou’re getting a little bit too excited there, nuncle.
Comment by CT V_1
"Nuncle?" Now where have I seen that before? Seems to me there was another trollish name that used that construct in an attempt to sound more intelligent than he was.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:12 pmdantheman ,
You liar! The Muslims burnt the Alexandia Library.
The Christians never touched it. In fact the Coptic Chrurch copied many of the writings so that the information wouldn't be destroyed.
The Muslims even braged about destroying the Pagan writings there!
powkat,
You liar here's the truth of Muslim Spain.
When the Muslims invaded, they massacred a large part of the population.
The survivors either fled north to Galicia to begin the resistance or became Dhimmis.
Dhimmis are 2nd class citizens in Islamic countries. They paid a Jiyaza tax and in court of law their word was not valid against a Muslim.
Churches also couldn’t be built bigger than Mosques and weren’t allowed to ring their bells.
The Muslims also forced the Christians to werer colored badges on their tunic sleves to distinguish them.
Nice tolerance right Juan?
Learn some facts and not Islamic propaganda!
June 28th, 2007 at 2:15 pmTypical Lefty Arrogant Know-it-all.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Got jealousy?
June 28th, 2007 at 2:15 pmWaltTheMan ,
June 28th, 2007 at 2:17 pmThose Arab inventions weren't so.
They were copied from previous civilizations they conquered.
Again stop reffering to Islamic propaganda websites!
david,
June 28th, 2007 at 2:21 pmThe real racists are White Leftists like you who believe us Hispanics need help from you Anglos.
I say no thanks.
We'll do it likem every other group in America.
I refuse to be your little serf!
Come to Miami and see what we've done without your help.
Racist scum!
Comment by gummitch
Your observation doesn't matter. It is pure projection.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:22 pmJOKER, do you know what google is? check it fool.
"It has been alleged that this library was burned down by Amr bin Aas at the behest of the Second Caliph, Umar. The story goes to state that Amr fed the numerous bath furnaces of the city with the volumes of the Alexandrian library. The story also relates the oft-quoted remark allegedly made by Caliph Umar (ruled: 634-644) when he consented to the destruction of the library, "If these writing of the Greeks agree with the book of God, they are useless and need not be preserved; if they disagree, they are pernicious and ought to be destroyed". It was, the story continues, thereupon, decided that the books were contrary to the Quran and the whole library was burned down without even opening the books.
Encyclopedia Britanica says that the Alexandrian Library had, in fact, been destroyed much earlier, in the fourth century A.D, long before the advent of Islam: "The library survived the disintegration of Alexander’s empire (first century BC) and continued to exist under Roman rule until the third century AD."3 The truth is that one half of this library was burnt by Julius Caesar in 47 BC. In the third century, Alexandria came under the domination of Christians. At another place the same work states that, "The main museum and library were destroyed during the civil war of the third century AD and a subsidiary library was burned by Christians in AD 391."4
Bertrand Russell has gone deep into the controversy and made the following statement: "Every Christian has been taught the story of the Caliph destroying the Library in Alexandria. As a matter of fact, this library was frequently destroyed and frequently recreated. Its first destroyer was Julius Caesar, and its last antedated the Prophet. The early Mohammedans, unlike the Christians, tolerated those whom they called ‘people of the Book’, provided they paid tribute. In contrast to the Christians, who persecuted not only pagans but each other, the Mohammedans were welcomed for their broadmindedness, and it was largely this that facilitated their conquests. To come to later times, Spain was ruined by fanatical hatred of Jews and Moors; France was disastrously impoverished by the persecution of Huguenots."11"
June 28th, 2007 at 2:24 pmIn NYC we have what I think is fair system. The schools have to except 50% of student intside of catchment. If they don't make the grade they are out in a year. No exceptions. Also, any child can apply to any school , in or out of catchment. The parents just have to get them there, it is on a first come first serve basis. I have always believed school acceptance should be at the level of the child's social skills and intelligence. Not race, color or creed. If your child is a bozo he/she will only drag the other children down with him/her. We tried duel immersion here, that was a disaster. this became evident when it was discovered that the spanish speaking families where found to be illiterate in there own language and could not assist their children who where also found to be illiterate in both spanish and english as well. When the B of E makes a mistake it is never a small one.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI know, I know... How dare I use the truth as "propaganda?"
June 28th, 2007 at 2:26 pmPIP and CT V1, this was a racist 5-4 decision. Look to what was the unanimous ruling of the SCOTUS in 1971: McDaniel vs. Barresi.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:27 pmdantheman,
This is Muslim propaganda.
The Muslims themselves brag about destroying the Library!
I have an Egyptian Coptic friend that says the same thing.
I belive an Egyptian over some Encyclopedia written by Leftist White apologists.
Also did you know the Jihadist brag about destroying the Pagan works.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:27 pmAgain you have a typical Leftist Islamic loving lies!
"To come to later times, Spain was ruined by fanatical hatred of Jews and Moors"
The Muslims invaded Spain and treated Christians as 2nd class citizens!
June 28th, 2007 at 2:29 pmI'm Spanish, you're not!
I know the history of my people. An Muslim lover like you knows nothing about our history.
You racist slime!
Liberals with their damned facts. How dare we?
June 28th, 2007 at 2:30 pm"To come to later times, Spain was ruined by fanatical hatred of Jews and Moors;"
They're not facts.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pmAsk any Egyptian!
Why was the wfritings of the ancient world preserved in Christian Constantinople?
June 28th, 2007 at 2:32 pmHmm?
They were ruled by the same Roman Christain rulers as Alexandria.
Nice try with your Islamic lies!
Redistribution of kids according to race is not about getting kids into a school with more money. Although a good supply of money helps, it is not the main issue at hand.
The aim of redistribution is exposure to value systems. Studies have been done that show how both Asian and White culture tends to stress academic performance for children in school more than anything, and Asians sometimes to an unhealthy degree. Hispanic culture on the other hand tends to stress familial and social performance--that family duties and social bonding is more important than academic progress.
Another study altogether identified one obstacle of African-American culture, that when placed in an interracial setting, striving to meet one's academic potential is "acting white," and puts one at odds with maintaining his/her own cultural identification. Yet another study done in a different region of the country found contradictory evidence.
It is possible that different regions have differing *reasons* behind the same problem, that this is not something that can be solved by a "one size fits all" approach. More studies must be done and with a sincere, non-ethnocentrical attitude to address how to improve minority children's desire to succeed academically *where necessary*, but also to perhaps give a more complete view of the costs when a "win at any cost" attitude is taken and taught.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:35 pmYes, yes, ValianttheJokerHater, we all know what a lovely time the Spanish Conquistadors had slaughtering and enslaving the aboriginal population so that they could compete with White Anglos.
BTW, where does this term "Hispanic" come from? There is no such race as Hispanic. And what are Brazilians? Lusitanics??? Hahaha. Don't be preposterous. Your feeble attempts at deflecting charges of racism just reinforce the image of you as a bigot.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:36 pmJOKER, do you know what an e-n-c-y-c-l-o-p-e-d-i-a is? Do you what what it's for?
You idiot. How do you know I'm not Spanish. I'm Mexican American of Mexican, Spanish, German, and Jewish decent. By the way I'm a church going, holy bread consuming Catholic. Neither of these facts is reason not to acknowledge atrocities committed by some of my ancestors, and by the Catholic Insitution.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:38 pm"ann,
In Florida we more than just compete.
We dominate down here!"
Oh, sorry, Joker. I guess I should have realized you were still in grade school.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:39 pmOnly and uneducated idiot would call what the Moors did in Spain, civilized. Poor Libtards, education is never their forte.
Comment by Conservatron — June 28, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
Only an ignorant USA Republican would say that moors didn't brought with them the culture of the middle east to Spain. The then post Roman Empire demise, medieval Dark Age was an ignorance period.
They invaded us, yes, and when they stablished their caliphates here, they brought the culture of the middle east, then higher than the one of the christianity, trying to recover from the crumbling of the late Roman Empire as I said. They brought mathematics from India, Agriculture techniques from Mesopotamia, they conserved and copied the many ancient greek books of the classic writers from the Library of Alexandria. Even the King Alfonso X of Castile,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_X
supported the long-established program of translation traditionally known as School of Translators of Toledo that increased the flow of ancient Greek and Arabic knowledge into Christian Europe.
Welcoming Jewish as well as Christian scholars to his court, Alfonso sponsored a translation of the Talmud.
Yes, "moors" were invaders, rightly evicted some centuries later, but we can't deny the importance of their legacy. They just not invaded, torched and ran away.
And, BTW, characterizing Spaniards (from Spain) as descendants (only) of "moors" (that included several tribes from Arabia to Morocco, somethimes really differentiated racially, and including the descendants of the Egyptians and Carthaginians) and "romans" is too simple. Here existed a lot of people before the romans (iberians, celts, as in Ireland), and a lot of northern Europe tribes moved here or crossed to the north of Africa. Plus, before the Romans invaded us, the Phoenicians (an ancient civilization centered in the north of ancient Canaan, with its heartland along the coast of modern day Lebanon, Syria and northern Israel.) had important colonies (that have become modern cities) along our coasts. Greeks and Carthaginians had their own colonies, now cities (Think Cartagena, Spain).
So the matter is a little more complex than you can think.
In the other hand, the terms "latino" (the countries that can be more rightly called latin, as in latin-roman, are Spain, Portugal and, or course, Italy) is fairly inaccurate. Hispanics? Well, as I think, as of today, Spaniards aren't very liked among these "Hispanics" countries, so I find the term also incorrect. And the whole idea of joining everything in the same bag is bit weird, to me. If I was Mexican or Cuban, I would be very glad to say that. I don't know. In one hand, it helps the community to defend themselves from the ones that really don't differentiate (that is the racist bigots in the USA). But, in the other hand, I see it as counterproductive, because creates a fictitious culture. Anyhow, I think that putting in the same bag a nicaraguan or mexican farm worker in California with a cuban shopkepper in the Little Havana, wouldn't work very well.
And, The Joker, I see your discourse really mixed. Direct your anger to the ones that really are against you. If you believe that Republican is the only way to think for "latinos", think that you're imbedded in the Cuban community of Florida, that are mostly exiled from a leftist country. That makes a non-centrist atmosphere grow, and it is not balanced. Your vision may be really distorted. If you're a valiant one, try to live a year as a vegetable picker at California, for example, or a meat packer. Return here and explain us how Republican you feel.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:41 pmDantheman
here you go
The library at Alexadria contained many materials that had valuable books for science and literature. It contained anything from ancient Egyptian scripts to Greek acounts. Heres how the library was really burned.
...Byzantine had sent her navy to attack Egypt. A fierce battle occured and both sides suffered immense losses in lives. Amr was victorious and he vowed to destroy the walls of Alexandria and burn the city.
With regards to burning the library of Alexandria, the historians found that Amr used its contents as fuel in public baths at the orders of Caliph Omar Ibn Al-Khateeb who said if the contents of the library agreed with the Quran, they were unecessary, but if they disagreed, let them be burned. Today, this opinion provokes discontendedness among the Islamic circles which think that it never had happened.
It basically contained the ancient Egyptian history and Greek philosophy and accounts. It contained important documents like Homer, Pluto, and Ptolomey's books. Many more, this is just an understatement. It also contained the covenant Archimede's buoyancy principles and his screw.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:41 pmValianttheJokerHater, what's with this crap that You are Spanish and Everyone else is NOT. Come on, you keep changing your handle, who knows what you are. You could be 17 year old Asian lesbian for all we know.
Stick to the facts. This whole Islamaphobe nonsense is Off Topic. If you can't talk about segregation and attempts to keep African Americans out of the White school system, then go peddle your bizarre histories somewhere else.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:41 pmdantheman,
June 28th, 2007 at 2:42 pmYou lair. You're not Spanish you Muslim lover.
How about the attrocities commited in Spain by the Muslims?
Why not discuss that?
Hmmm?
345... Comment by david — June 28, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
Well, we get the usual regressive conservative viewpoints: EQUAL means SAME, Accommodation means Bias, and Intervention means Unnatural.
Don't you love the use of Orwellian language? See, hiring and admissions by race is not bias, it's "accomodation."
And who's to say that equal treatment means... treating everybody equally?
And it's not "unnatural" to use the force of government to treat people differently based upon skin color, it's "intervention." Enh, what's a little government intervention, between you and me?
And ya gotta love the self-serving labels smug liberals assign themselves:
Hiring and admission by race: "progressive"
Following the Constitution: "regressive"
Phooey. You sexist, racist, bigoted b@stards wouldn’t no Equality if it bit you on the ar$e.
And if you don't agree with my perverted interpretation of the Constitution, you're sexist, racist and bigoted, too!
So there!
You wouldn’t know Liberty if it didn’t come with a price tag.
Uh, we're not the ones trashing the liberties once-protected by the Bill of Rights. The left is. It's the LEFT enacting restrictions on political speech and installing speech codes to silence opponents. It's the LEFT attacking Second Amendment gun rights. It's the atrocious and despicable LEFT wing of the court that just trashed property rights in the Kelo decision. And it's the left that has peverted the notion of Equal Rights to require race-based outcomes.
Who is it that has no clue about liberty?
And you certainly don’t know what the heck Fraternity is unless it means a college booze can named by three Greek letters.
Well, if you're not careful, you might even lose that privilege, if you step out of line and offend a "progressive" on campus. Then you'll have to face the Stalinist show trial and face the boot.
Just as they freaked at the study that should a conservative bias in the media, they’re sh!tting bricks at the thought that their little racist, sexist, bigoted agenda might be uncovered.
Conservative bias in the media?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m sorry, Herr Nazi PIP, but the days of a White Christian Male USA are OVER. Get over it. Embrace Liberty Equality and Fraternity. Stop looking nostalgically back at the Jim Crow laws, slavery, and the days when women were second class. That ship has sailed. Move on.
Jim Crow? Slavery?
Move on, indeed. Like, how about your joining the 21st century?
June 28th, 2007 at 2:43 pmYOU CONSERVATIVE CLOWNS always try to depict liberals as christian hating, muslim loving, sadists. I'm all about equal justice for all races, religions, and creeds. There is no justification for what my Spaniard ancestors did during the inquisition. There is no justification for terrorrists attacking us on 911. There is no justification for the white anglo saxon committing the genocide of the native americans no justification for the Nazi's murdering my Jewish great great grandparents, no justification for the crusades, no justification for invading Iraq. I don't hate christians, I am a Christian. But Christians are not infallible. Neither are Musilims. No one is.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:46 pmEvil Fake Spaniard,
I'm not a Republican. My point is that Hispanics can make without help from Anglos. You try to divide us but it does,'t work.
Al Latins are one people! That's why in Florida we're united against Anglo scum like you!
As to the the poor Hispanics in the rest of the country.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:48 pmThey're that way because you leftists in NY and California have brainwashed them into thinking that's all they can expect from life.
It's a caste system you want to creat and making Spanish people feel helpless and depending on you Racist Leftists.
Well we didn't fall for it in Florida so good luck in the other 49 States!
I'm not Cuban bye the way. I'm Spaniard/Italian.
Not all Miami Hispanics are Cuban.
dantheman,
June 28th, 2007 at 2:50 pmYou are a Muslim lover.
How come you mention the Crusades but not the Muslim Jihad of the 7th Century? The invasion of Spain in the 8th, The genocide of Hindus in the 11th and the Turkish invasions of the 14th and 15th Centuries?
Like all Leftists you give the Muslims a pass.
hence your an apologist for the Muslims and Christian hater!
Miami, isn't that the city with he highest murder/crime rate in the nation? The last time I was down to Little Havana it was a toilet. Now, don't get me wrong, I lived in Havana as a boy with my family and I have wonderful memories. My father said it was the "Pearl of the Antilles" I still don't know what that means, but it was one of the best years of my life. hat and the year we spent in Madrid. However, I'm wandering. What is it with you fellows, I work with a guy from Bogota and he says that it's the garden spot of the earth. I have been to Bogota it's another toilet form one end to the other. When was the last time you heard a new yorker say that the south Bronx was garden spot, it's gotten a lot better but it's far from being a garden spot. Pop some reality spot. They don't even make good cigars anymore.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:53 pmEvil Spaniard,
June 28th, 2007 at 2:55 pmYou lie about the Muslims bringing civilization to Spain.
The Roman system never fell in Spain. The Visigothic kings governed the province in the name of The Emperor of Constantinople.
They preserved the roads, The Aqueducts, Cities, Baths, Schools and other feature of Roman culture.
The Muslims copied all that when they invaded.
The so called Middle Eastern Civilization they robbed from the Eastern Roman Empire, Persia and India.
Like a true Leftist you're a Muslim apologist.
I'm glad we threw the invaders out.
They treated us like 2nd class citizens.
Read about Dhimmitude before you speak!
see any connection between these two posts?
What is a lier, Goober?
Comment by JPark — June 3, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
A Leer is the king, nuncle.
Comment by Mr. President — June 3, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
and
Comment by david
You’re getting a little bit too excited there, nuncle.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
Thanks to gunmitch, who questioned in a previous post.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:55 pmAll I did was research. took all of 2 seconds
For once, would you just stick to one post it name. (you think you're pretty sly, but in reality, your not. Pathetic, and boring, you are)
This would be great if only America weren't full of racist people and if the supreme court could also write into law that every school in america no matter it's location, will be equiped with the best, books, computers, teachers, support staff and what else it needs to turn out well educated students. School funding will no longer be based on property tax. So, when you walk into a school in america no matter where it's located, they all look and operate the same. Kinda like China does it.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:57 pmEres un idiota estupido! Quien dice que nuestra gente no puede hacer nada sin los blancos? El unico que dice esas estupideses eres tu imbecil! En California, somos fuertes los Latinos. Por que? Por que nos apoyamos entre uno y otro y le hechamos ganas, y tambien porque los blancos han abierto las puertas. Antes, el Latino no podia ir a las mismas escuelas de los gringos, no podian tomar ague de la misma fuente, no se podian sentar junto al blanco. Ellos cambiaron las leyes, no porque somos nada, sino porque era lo justo. Quie es el fake spaniard now pinche estupido baboso?
June 28th, 2007 at 2:57 pm"Miami, isn’t that the city with he highest murder/crime rate in the nation? "
Nope. It's not even in the top 10.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:57 pmMost Hispanics actually live in the suburgs of Miami.
I live here you don't.
So I know.
I'm out till later.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:01 pmLet the Muslim praising and downplaying of Hispanics ability to compete begin.
After all we need the Leftist help since we're oppressed uncivilized helpless minorities right!
Thanks to gunmitch, who questioned in a previous post.
All I did was research. took all of 2 seconds
For once, would you just stick to one post it name. (you think you’re pretty sly, but in reality, your not. Pathetic, and boring, you are)
Comment by DRxJ
CT has simply started using the words of his idol, Mr P.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:02 pmJOKER,
My spanish isn't half bad, is it you retard? First of all don't call me Spaniard, being descended from Spaniards doesn't make me one. I'm a Latino, and I'm an American.
Yes I do love muslims! I also love Christians, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, buddhists, blacks, whites, browns, asians and all the other groups I missed. That doesn't mean any of these groups deserve a feree pass fro current or past atrocities. The muslims too have committed horrible atrocities, I'm not denying or justifying it. But you keep trying to piant them as the primary evil doers on earth. That's dishonorable distinction goes to the current administration.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:04 pmSorry for the typos everywhere. I type with index and thumbs only. Not very good at trying to type fast.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:06 pmAfter all we need the Leftist help since we’re oppressed uncivilized helpless minorities right!
Comment by The JokerHater — June 28, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
so sayeth the 17 year old white male, using his mother's computer while showing off his learned abilities from Spanish 1 last semester, all the while wishing he had a girlfriend, or any friend, to spend the summer with!
June 28th, 2007 at 3:06 pmtoo fast. did it again
June 28th, 2007 at 3:07 pmEric Arthur Blair et al, have the children strayed from the nursery?
June 28th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThere is no problem with today's ruling. Liberals can stop being influenced by education unions and allow school vouchers. They can also voluntarily send their kids to "integrated" schools because they value "diversity" so much.
When Dr. King said to not look upon the color of the skin, I'm pretty sure he meant it literally. The Supreme Court correctly confirmed that today.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThis would be great if only America weren’t full of racist people and if the supreme court could also write into law that every school in america no matter it’s location, will be equiped with the best, books, computers, teachers, support staff and what else it needs to turn out well educated students. School funding will no longer be based on property tax. So, when you walk into a school in america no matter where it’s located, they all look and operate the same. Kinda like China does it.
Comment by marcus robsinson — June 28, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
I guess you're not familiar with the school funding formulas in many states, like NY and NJ, which do exactly what you're talking about.
Problem is, it hasn't helped all that much. The amount of money spent on these "problem" schools is staggering, but it's not changing the results. And there are many reasons for that, the least of which is "racism" (and I'm not suggesting you made such an accusation). In order to believe that, one would have to believe that the school systems are conspiring to "keep minorities down." An honest person would have to acknowledge that that's just silly in this day and age.
Many have suggested more plausible explanations, like broken families, difficult urban life, poverty and the like. Seems more appropriate to take those factors into account in admissions, rather than race, because such factors can affect all races.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:13 pmComment by DRxJ
Yeah, that "nuncle" phrase is quite catchy, so I decided to pick it off of Mr. PiP.
"Nuncle (tm)" is a trademark of PiP. All rights reserved.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:13 pm373 - The Joker
As to the the poor Hispanics in the rest of the country.
They’re that way because you leftists in NY and California have brainwashed them into thinking that’s all they can expect from life.
I am native to Los Angeles, and you're actually wrong here. I have had many close Mexican-American friends growing up (due to the bussing back then) who's parents came from many different backgrounds--some illegal immigrants, some first generation, some who've been here forever. I have noticed that the belief of "that's all they can expect from life" does permeate throughout the culture in many Mexican families.
One friend who immigrated here from Mexico at a fairly young age, explained it to me that it may be because of the almost caste-like system that exists in Mexico today.. the rich are VERY rich, and the poor are VERY poor. Their elders, having no first hand or even second hand experience of the value of education, are unable to stress to their children sufficiently the value of obtaining a higher education since values are transmitted by immitation.
For example, one value that is transmitted sufficiently in Mexican culture, is the hard work ethic. At least in Los Angeles, everywhere you look, you will see Mexican-Americans cleaning homes and businesses, gardening and landscaping, building homes, and farther out, you will see them out picking crops under the midday sun.
In contrast, I also have friends native to Argentina who's families were quite aware of the values of education. And they have gone on to complete their higher education becoming quite wealthy.
So you see, it's not really an issue of pointing fingers, but an issue of enculturation; a process that becomes quite difficult when the ethnic saturation of an area acts as an actual barrier to obtaining the root which makes one "free"--not work or jobs, but the *desire* for academic success, and the likely outcome if it is so instilled and done.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:13 pmEric Arthur Blair et al, have the children strayed from the nursery?
Comment by e hill — June 28, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Wow, really nailed me with that one.
Shall we consider that the extent of your valuable contribution?
June 28th, 2007 at 3:14 pmDear me! Isn't this where you normal scream like a two year old I win!!!!! or What? Typical defeatist regressive conservative.
I'd say you ran out of things to say about Segregation.
How nice to see George Orwell posting. However, discriminating between the meaning of EQUAL and of SAME is not Newspeak. It is, in the best Orwellian tradition, providing clarity and precision. It is typical fascist crap to pretend that Equality is an absurd goal since clearly Women are not Men, the short are not tall, and the old are not young. This is the mean & petty attitude of the oligarch.
Equality has to do with the abandonment of Privilege and Blood. Every liberal progressive knows people are not the same. I know, it's a hard concept for regressive conservatives to grasp just as they find it hard understanding why Poll taxes and Flat taxes are unfair and unjust.
Desegregation is meant to do away with racially exclusive schools. In particular, it's meant to do away with White privilege, whereby African Americans are kept out.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:18 pmERIC
The schools are not in bad shape because of lack of school vouchers. Privatized education will yield the same results that privatized health care has given. The obvious priority for private schools is profit. The school system in America has degraded over the past decades under conservative rule, Bill Clinton included. Schools are underfunded, teachers are underpaid, and throw the socio economic factors in the mix along with the lack of leadership at the federal level and you get the current mess our schools are in.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:19 pmEvil Fake Spaniard,
Fake? FAKE??? LOLOLOLOOLOLLLLLL. Ask me ANYTHING that you believe only a Spaniard could answer and I'll be glad to answer. ¿Lo has entendido, tontÃn, o tengo que escribÃrtelo en letras de palo de un metro de alto?
I’m not Cuban bye the way. I’m Spaniard/Italian.
Not all Miami Hispanics are Cuban.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
I did read it in your comment pryor to this one. I have a long attention span, unlike yourself.
Anyhow, looks like the Aznar-Mussolini inbreeding is giving its fruits.
The Roman system never fell in Spain. The Visigothic kings governed the province in the name of The Emperor of Constantinople.
Until the Western Roman Empire capital Constantinople fell to the invaders. What happened then? Oh, yes, the demise of the remains of the Roman Empire, as I said. This line of history is very brief, compared to the history of the Conquista and the subsequent Reconquista.
The so called Middle Eastern Civilization they robbed from the Eastern Roman Empire, Persia and India.
No. The produced very valuable ORIGINAL works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Batuta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes
Just for the sake of citing a pair of the many, many that existed.
If you're so fond of your inheritance, learn it, and don't let the "latino" mythology blind your mind.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:20 pm#394 Oops.. it's Eastern Roman Empire capital Constantinopla.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:25 pm#388
When I lived in NJ, the Trenton school district spent more money per student (due to state funding) than any other district in the state.
Yet they had one of the worst academic results in SAT scores, graduation rates, or almost any measure used.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by david — June 28, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
How nice to see George Orwell posting. However, discriminating between the meaning of EQUAL and of SAME is not Newspeak. It is, in the best Orwellian tradition, providing clarity and precision.
Oh, yes, clarity and precision! Who could argue with THAT?!
It is typical fascist crap to pretend that Equality is an absurd goal since clearly
It's typical Stalinist crap to pretend that equality is measured by result, not opportunity.
Women are not Men, the short are not tall, and the old are not young. This is the mean & petty attitude of the oligarch.
Right, I'm down with ya--so we should dilute standards and testing (physical, mental, whatever) to meaningless levels in order to be more "inclusive." Because, after all, are there any constitutional principles more pertinent than "inclusion" and "diversity"?
Equality has to do with the abandonment of Privilege and Blood. Every liberal progressive knows people are not the same. I know, it’s a hard concept for regressive conservatives to grasp just as they find it hard understanding why Poll taxes and Flat taxes are unfair and unjust.
Wow, you just gave me an erection with that enlightening intellectual sermon. But now I know better, thanks to you. Poll taxes, bad. People are NOT the same? OK, got it now. You've talked me into it: Racial preferences are good and "progressive." See, sometims we conservatives just don't recognize brilliance when it's right in front of our faces. But you have made me see the light.
Desegregation is meant to do away with racially exclusive schools. In particular, it’s meant to do away with White privilege, whereby African Americans are kept out.
Dude, the sixties are over.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:42 pmI noticed an increase in traffic this afternoon. Then realized to my chagrin that grade, middle and high schools concluded yesterday at 3pm. So now I am awash with the inane ramblings of adolescents for a multiplicity of fortnights. Ugh
June 28th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by dantheman — June 28, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Privatized education will yield the same results that privatized health care has given.
Have you compared our private health care system with the horror shows in socialist countries like Canada and France? (And Michael Moore's horrendous propaganda doesn't count.)
The obvious priority for private schools is profit.
True. But then, many private schools, particularly private religious schools, spend less money but nearly always produce better results. Not saying we should privatize all schools, but there should be some means of offering competition and, therefore, accountability.
Schools are underfunded, teachers are underpaid
Not sure what schools you're referring to, but in places I'm familiar with (NY and NJ), they are NOT underfunded. In fact, they spend far more than the national average. One problem is, too much of it ends up in the bureaucracy instead of on the students.
throw the socio economic factors in the mix along with the lack of leadership at the federal level and you get the current mess our schools are in.
Socioeconomic factors certainly affect it. But trying to pass it off as a problem on "the federal level" (ie, the evil George Bush) is a stretch, given that: (1) schools are primarily a local responsibility; and (2) Bush actually has tried to DO something about it at the federal level with NCLB.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:51 pmComment by e hill — June 28, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
I noticed an increase in traffic this afternoon. Then realized to my chagrin that grade, middle and high schools concluded yesterday at 3pm.
You felt that crack SO funny, you decided to post it twice? I think we know how YOU'RE aware that middle school just let out.
So now I am awash with the inane ramblings of adolescents for a multiplicity of fortnights. Ugh
You're awash in something.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:54 pmMr Blair,
June 28th, 2007 at 3:59 pmIf I wish my sons to attend Blair Academy, they are accepted on the basis of their gpa, their grandfathers standing as a former student and I am willing willing to pay the staggering fee and 90% of the student body is White Anglo Saxon Protestant. I ask what if anything is wrong with that. Is that a racially exclusive school, I think not. Exclusive, Yes. But Economically exclusive, not racially.
According to the DOE Americas schools are more segregated now than they were in the 50s.
Thanx GOPers, you really dont like Americans and you show it often enough.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:01 pmSorry, my system has been doing that all day. I believe that I have trashed my mouse. Oh well. By the way Blair, can't take joke...you have to be some where between seventh and twelfth grades. LOL
June 28th, 2007 at 4:05 pmHave a nice day.
#388
Does that account for ALL schools in America? Because that's the minimum viable product in this case is ALL schools to have the best and be furnished such as. Schools today aren't segregated more than they were in the 50s because things are "equal"
June 28th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI’m out till later.
Let the Muslim praising and downplaying of Hispanics ability to compete begin.
After all we need the Leftist help since we’re oppressed uncivilized helpless minorities right!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See ya later The Joker!!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:16 pmLove the conservative "colorblind" rhetorical trick. Of course, all that effort is being put forth so we can see that day when I black person will be refused service in a restaurant, complain, and then be told that there is no way he/she could have been refused because he/she is black, because there is no such thing as a black person. I wonder how the conservatives here will react if or when that day comes to pass? Will they protest it? Or make excuses for it?
In the town I grew up in, the housing patterns were such that school integration could be almost completely achieved by having children go to the school closest to where they lived. Given that, you would think there was no problem, right?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:18 pmSorry, my system has been doing that all day. I believe that I have trashed my mouse. Oh well. By the way Blair, can’t take joke…you have to be some where between seventh and twelfth grades. LOL
Have a nice day.
Comment by e hill — June 28, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
E Hill. You have a nice day, too.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pmsee any connection between these two posts?
Comment by DRxJ — June 28, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Sirrah, I'll teach thee a speech.
Mark it, nuncle:
Goeth and Fukceth Thyself!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pmEvil Spaniard,
June 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pmJust caught you in a lie.
The Eastern Roman Empire fell to the Turks in 1453.
The Visigoths ruled Spain 1st in the name of the Western Roman Empire then The Easten Empire from 415-711.
They were a vassal state of the Eastern Roman Empire.
The Easten Empire lost it's Southern provinces to....
The Muslims. That's how they reached Spain in 711.
When the Muslims were finally thrown out in 1492, The Easten Empire had benn ruled by the Turks for 50 years.
So the Eastern Empire outlasted Visigothic Spain.
So explain how the Roman Empire disappeared before Visigothic Spain in 711 when there were Emperors in Constantinople until 1453?
Please explain?
As to you articles, nice Muslim propaganda.
They didn't invent anything.
They copied and borrowed from others.
Ask any Hindu or Jew!
Dear me! Isn’t this where you normal scream like a two year old I win!!!!!
Comment by david — June 28, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
No. That's me ya fukcface.
I WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh... and David,
Go Fukc Yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:23 pmYeah, that “nuncle†phrase is quite catchy, so I decided to pick it off of Mr. PiP.
“Nuncle ™†is a trademark of PiP. All rights reserved.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Actually, CT, it is from King Lear
June 28th, 2007 at 4:24 pm"If you’re so fond of your inheritance, learn it, and don’t let the “latino†mythology blind your mind."
Ha ha!
what myth you fraud fake Spaniard. Latin refers to Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese, Latin American and Filipino.
Thay are all Latin as Latin is a cultural group not a race!
So we are all Latin or Latino.
danthe dhimmi,
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pmI said Spanish not Spaniard.
Spanish means...
Spanish speaker!
If your embarrassed of having Spanish blood in your veins, that's your problem.
That's a result of brainwashing at the hands of Leftist teachers.
Thank God I finished my last 2 years of HS in Miami.
I woulkd've been like you.
A brainwashed idiot expecting the Whiteman to help you.
A pathetic Hispanic you are.
You're right, your not Spanish.
Tu eres un peon de tu maestros Izquirdita Anglo!
Tu teine un mentalidad de un esclavo!
Sique asi traidor a tu raza!
Got jealousy?
Comment by Not Canadian — June 28, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
No. If you could read you would have seen that I made david put is foot in his mouth.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThere is a big difference in telling someone that we have a problem and here is the problem and this is how you are going to fix it. I believe people are tired of having education stuffed down their throats.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmI NYC it has gotten to the point that to get a decent education you have send your child to a private school or work very hard to get them into one of the better public schools, I have done both. The problem is the B of E teaches to the lowest common denominator. So, if you have a child that is semi literate with an IQ of 70 that is the gold standard to witch teachers instruct. Example, my son asked why his science teacher why the curriculum was so weak and ill formed. The teacher told him that when the other students would raise their levels of ability he would raise his level of teaching. I have a fairly intelligent son and he is in one on NYC's finest high schools . You can make your assessments from there.
The Muslims invaded Spain and treated Christians as 2nd class citizens!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
This is 100% true!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmPIP,
June 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI'm suprised your siding with me.
You usually attack me.
Comment by Acanthus — June 28, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Love the conservative “colorblind†rhetorical trick. Of course, all that effort is being put forth so we can see that day when I black person will be refused service in a restaurant, complain, and then be told that there is no way he/she could have been refused because he/she is black, because there is no such thing as a black person. I wonder how the conservatives here will react if or when that day comes to pass? Will they protest it? Or make excuses for it?
I'm willing to give TP the benefit of the doubt that this is an imposter posing as a lib, trying to make him look like a moron.
Because no sane, rational person could say that with a straight face.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:31 pmWow, there are sure a lot of people with race issues - hard to read this stuff.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI’m sorry, Herr Nazi PIP, but the days of a White Christian Male USA are OVER. Get over it. Embrace Liberty Equality and Fraternity. Stop looking nostalgically back at the Jim Crow laws, slavery, and the days when women were second class. That ship has sailed. Move on.
Comment by david — June 28, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
Whoa, dude.
You're the one that thought the Civil Rights Act of 1964 endorsed preferential treatment based on race.
Typical Oblivious Leftist.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:34 pmPIP,
I’m suprised your siding with me.
You usually attack me.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
That is because, I realized yesterday that TP was actually a propaganda website. Also you are correct about a lot of things. I didn't know how much the Left actually has a pro-Islam agenda.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmE Hill,
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmWhat we need is to make all schools teach at the same academic standards.
I wnt to HS in NY 1st 2 years and then Miami last 2.
The Hispanic and black Kids weren't taught at the same level as the Jewish and White kids.
In Miami everyone was taught the same.
That's an example of Leftist racism.
dantheman, Evil Spaniard and david: Terrific posts.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThank you.
dantheman, Evil Spaniard and david: Terrific posts.
Thank you.
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Yeah, fellas, you get a silver star for effort.
Next time try to get your facts straight!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmThe Hispanic and black Kids weren’t taught at the same level as the Jewish and White kids.
In Miami everyone was taught the same.
That’s an example of Leftist racism.
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
That is true. Schools will grade black and Hispanic kids on a different scale and will teach a different curriculum because the racist Left thinks that "coloreds" are not smart enough to learn what the white kids learn.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:42 pmBased the high troll activity and post count, I'd say the Neoturds are happy that their Nazi agenda of segregation has resurfaced!
Don't worry! You're kids wont have to go to school with any "minorities", if your lucky. Just keep the blinders on and pretend the REAL WORLD doesn't exist...
June 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pmThis thread is so full of lies and distortions and well just plain sick sh!t, I can't read it anymore. Conservatron you're an idiot..Joker you're a racist.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI'm not taking the bait:). But you could at least put forth an actual answer to the questions. What do we do if or when the question is not school integration, but integration in public accommodations? If a conservative like you is saying that I'm irrational and insane to suggest that segregation in public accommodations could ever happen (again) because you find the idea horribly unthinkable, then that's wonderful. It means that liberalism won.
You ignored the other question I asked. What do you think happened in my hometown when school integration was implemented based on actual neighborhood schools? Care to hazard a guess?
"I’m willing to give TP the benefit of the doubt that this is an imposter posing as a lib, trying to make him look like a moron"
And lastly, who is this "TP" guy?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pmThank God I finished my last 2 years of HS in Miami. ...
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
So you left after 10th grade. That explains your misunderstanding of the underlaying history of Spain and Portugal. Are you Jake? If so how is the restoration of your rocket sled progressing?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pmNot Canadian,
So it's NAZI to be against race quotas and that all Americas should be educated at the same level.
Why can't Hispanics learn the same curriculum as Whites?
Why can't all schools teach at the same level regardless of their racial makeup?
Oh I know why.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:50 pmWe need Whitey's help.
Sorry I was out of line, Masta!
Waltthe racist,
"So you left after 10th grade. That explains your misunderstanding of the underlaying history of Spain and Portugal. "
No that explains why I have a successful career, nice Townhome and good car.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pmThat's why I know I don't need some Racist Leftist Anglo for help in my life!
Yes Joke,
You do need help, because you obviously don't know what SEGREGATION means!
It means the courts decided to SEPARATE whites, blacks, and hispanics, LIKE A NAZI WOULD.
IDIOT.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pmWhat this thread proves is the intolerance the Left has for any Hispanic that doesn't tow the party line.
We must think as our White benfactors do and never have a differing opinion.
If we do we are Nazis, Uncle Toms and Racist.
I'm sorry I wasn't brainwashed and think my own thoughts and ideas.
I aplogize and will try to be a good Hispanic and think whatever my Leftis benefactors want me to think!
Yeah Right!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmNC #430 - I refer you to my earlier comment (# 308).
You’re kids wont have to go to school with any “minoritiesâ€, if your lucky. Just keep the blinders on and pretend the REAL WORLD doesn’t exist…
----- But shouldn't they at least have the FREEDOM to CHOOSE??? If they wanna raise inbred, backwoods hicks, they should be allowed to.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:01 pmNot Canadian,
June 28th, 2007 at 5:01 pmAll the courts ruled is that there should be no quotas.
How's that segregation?
What if a School district has Hispanics. They can go to the same scholl as whites.
If they can't that's segregation!
Get it right!
Joker, it's "toe the party line", not "tow the party line". Man, I'm glad you're a conservative:).
June 28th, 2007 at 5:03 pmAcanthus,
June 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pmI'm not a conservative.
I'm just not brainwashed by the Left.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964
TITLE IV–DESEGREGATION OF PUBLIC EDUCATION
DEFINITIONS
SEC. 401. As used in this title–
(b) “Desegregation†means the assignment of students to public schools and within such schools without regard to their race, color, religion, or national origin, but “desegregation†shall not mean the assignment of students to public schools in order to overcome racial imbalance
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmBush doesn't have a legacy and Roberts is trying to give him one. A really BAD one.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:24 pmComment by Acanthus — June 28, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
I’m not taking the bait:). But you could at least put forth an actual answer to the questions. What do we do if or when the question is not school integration, but integration in public accommodations? If a conservative like you is saying that I’m irrational and insane to suggest that segregation in public accommodations could ever happen (again) because you find the idea horribly unthinkable, then that’s wonderful. It means that liberalism won.
The reason I didn't answer it, and thought it was a fake, is because the premise is absurd. ("TP" is shorthand for this site, and is used to reference the user community at large.) If you want to view that as a success of the civil rights era, I'm inclined to agree. But while you're patting yourself on the back, remember that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed because of Republicans, not Democrats.
You ignored the other question I asked. What do you think happened in my hometown when school integration was implemented based on actual neighborhood schools? Care to hazard a guess?
Well, I don't know your hometown, but I'm well aware that the reaction in some places (ie, Boston) was far more contentious than it in other places. And since I'm not positive what you mean by "integration based on actual neighborhood schools,"pls tell me what happened.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmI mean that the housing patterns were such that the best way to integrate schools was to have children go to the schools nearest their homes. The battle cry from most white conservatives in town was "tradition", meaning that they wanted to continue the practice of having white kids bussed past the "black" schools to go to the "white" schools, even if the "black" school was around the corner.
You know, I have to say that I'm not really all that put out by this decision, even though I know where it comes from. I think it presents an opportunity for blacks to administer the education of their children on their own terms.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:43 pmWaltthe racist,
“So you left after 10th grade. That explains your misunderstanding of the underlying history of Spain and Portugal. â€
No that explains why I have a successful career, nice Town home and good car.
That’s why I know I don’t need some Racist Leftist Anglo for help in my life!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
I have no Anglo blood according to a trace through 17 generations.
I live in a seaside house in Florida on a 1.5 acre lot, elevation 15 feet above high tide.
I did have a BMW and a Mercedes, but traded them in for a Prius and a Honda Civic hybrid. Both are loaded o the tune of 30 - 35 grand. Both sip gas.
My first book -"THE DAWN OF LIBERATION" by Churchill - I was five when I first read it.
I am not the least bit prejudiced, unless you bring in the issue of stupidity, of which you are an expert at.
My IQ is above 186 according to my last test (7 months ago).
I had a fairly successful career. I am a multi-millionaire and retired at 62 because I thought that I should give the young guys and gals a chance at the trough.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:13 pmComment by Acanthus — June 28, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I mean that the housing patterns were such that the best way to integrate schools was to have children go to the schools nearest their homes.
That's what confused me a bit, because normally, students going to the schools near their home usually results in most blacks going to majority black schools and vice-versa.
The battle cry from most white conservatives in town was “traditionâ€, meaning that they wanted to continue the practice of having white kids bussed past the “black†schools to go to the “white†schools, even if the “black†school was around the corner.
I frankly would like to see a system that offered at least a few options, so children aren't forced into schools that their parents don't believe is best for them. Whether it be vouchers, if NCLB is the answer, or whatever, I think it's disgraceful that the government can essentially imprison kids in schools and tell them "tough sh-t, you're stuck."
June 28th, 2007 at 6:18 pmLooking at test scores, I can't conclude that desegregation has worked.
Maybe it's time to try something else, like school vouchers. Let the parents pick the school that they believe is a "best fit" for their kids.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:39 pmAlito and Roberts both LIED in their confirmation hearings. Scalia wants to be Pope of America. Thomas acts like a grand wizard. Kennedy is spineless. And now it is quite apparent that they are all good, Catholic racists, like some of the good, Catholic racists in my own family.
When Democrats win the White House in 2008 and extend their control of Congress to filibuster-proof levels, all five of these criminally insane, racist Republican justices should be impeached...for the safety of the children of our nation.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:22 pminteresting thread
being a graduate of the jefferson county (ky) public school system (mayme s. waggener trad 2002) i think i could provide a unique perspective on this issue, especially one without the hateful invective being spewed by both wings of the social spectrum.
personally, i'm torn by this issue. i for one think that our bussing system was a good thing. louisville is pretty divided racially and economically- the blacks in the west end, the poorer people in the south end and the well off in the east end. fortunately for me, i was taught in the traditional program and that allowed me to attend the traditional schools that were closest to me, so i didn't experience bussing first hand. but i will tell you this, it was most definitely beneficial for both races and both economic groups to come together in a common ground. it can't not be a bad thing to get to know someone who looks different from you. i know it benefitted me because all the traditional schools i went to had kids of different economic and social backgrounds. i personally think that the brighter kids will always seek out those who are different than they are so that they learn life experiences that can't be taught in the classroom.
however, i also think that using race as a basis of placing students is wrong, especially in the case of what happened here (which is something that i am more familiar with). i think that if there is room for a student in the local school, the percentage of a racial group should be irrelevant; the student should be left in.
so like i said, i am of a very mixed opinion here. had i been a justice today, i don't know how i would have voted. i probably would have voted with the minority because i recognize its practical value, however i would have disagreed with the minority opinion somewhat. i basically agree with what was written by the minority, but i would have stated that in cases where there is room for a student that the racially mandated percentages should be thrown out.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:28 pm'I would hope parents would want their children to attend the best schools, not the most diverse schools. If the best schools happen to be the most diverse well thats great, but they should be looking at the districts (and individual schools) performance when they are picking a school district and then school with in the district.'
Let me get this straight; the US is plagued by issues of race, so the best means of dealing with it among youth is to further segregate them from one another, which will lead to school populations made up of racial neighborhoods; rich neighborhood schools will prosper, while poor neighborhood schools will struggle.
Sounds a lot like Segregation to me.
And people are applauding this?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:42 pmThe Supreme Court Judges have just let the African American soldiers giving their lives for the US just what they really think of them. Now the soldiers can come back and be treated like aliens. Their children will be denied equal education as the GOP continues to dismantle all the rights even in the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. I guess that's what the White House means when it says support our troops just don't given them the Freedoms other Americans have. These brave men and women didn't know the United States of American really didn't care about them at all.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:45 amwhy do black kids need to be with white kids to learn anything?
June 29th, 2007 at 8:30 amComment by The Orifice — June 28, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
Alito and Roberts both LIED in their confirmation hearings. Scalia wants to be Pope of America. Thomas acts like a grand wizard. Kennedy is spineless. And now it is quite apparent that they are all good, Catholic racists, like some of the good, Catholic racists in my own family.
Yeah, the racists are the justices who took race OUT of the equation, not those who demand hiring and admissions based on skin color.
Spoken like a true Orwellian lefty.
When Democrats win the White House in 2008 and extend their control of Congress to filibuster-proof levels, all five of these criminally insane, racist Republican justices should be impeached…for the safety of the children of our nation.
Which nation is that--Cuba?
June 29th, 2007 at 8:36 amEvil Spaniard,
Just caught you in a lie.
The Eastern Roman Empire fell to the Turks in 1453.
The Visigoths ruled Spain 1st in the name of the Western Roman Empire then The Easten Empire from 415-711.
They were a vassal state of the Eastern Roman Empire.
The Easten Empire lost it’s Southern provinces to….
The Muslims. That’s how they reached Spain in 711.
When the Muslims were finally thrown out in 1492, The Easten Empire had benn ruled by the Turks for 50 years.
So the Eastern Empire outlasted Visigothic Spain.
So explain how the Roman Empire disappeared before Visigothic Spain in 711 when there were Emperors in Constantinople until 1453?
Please explain?
As to you articles, nice Muslim propaganda.
They didn’t invent anything.
They copied and borrowed from others.
Ask any Hindu or Jew!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Weirdo, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths
The Visigoths also became the dominant power in the Iberian Peninsula, quickly crushing the Alans and forcing the Vandals into north Africa. By 500, the Visigothic Kingdom, centred at Toulouse, controlled Aquitania and Gallia Narbonensis and most of Hispania with the exception of the Suevic kingdom in the northwest, small areas controlled by the Basques and the southern Mediterranean coast (a Byzantine province).
Byzantio had a loose control of Spain, at best. They had a small province, and the Franks were independent. Check your facts.
I'm waiting for your magic question to demonstrate that I'm a Fake Spaniard.
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Thanks, Juan.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Do us a favor, wait at least to 18:00pm to drink.
Tu eres un peon de tu maestros Izquirdita Anglo!
Tu teine un mentalidad de un esclavo!
Sique asi traidor a tu raza!
Comment by The Joker — June 28, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
So many mistakes in so few (and void) words... if you're so proud of your Hispanic inheritance, learn to spell Spanish. If not, you're simply shaming us all (the ones that read and write Spanish)!
June 29th, 2007 at 8:51 amOh, and The Joker "the independent", you're being played as a fiddle by Republicans.
June 29th, 2007 at 8:54 am