Gonzales ‘overzealous’ about death penalty.
“Paul K. Charlton, one of nine U.S. attorneys fired last year, told members of Congress yesterday that Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales has been overzealous in ordering federal prosecutors to seek the death penalty, including in an Arizona murder case in which no body had been recovered.”
Justice Department officials had branded Charlton, the former U.S. attorney in Phoenix, disloyal because he opposed the death penalty in that case. But Charlton testified yesterday that Gonzales has been so eager to expand the use of capital punishment that the attorney general has been inattentive to the quality of evidence in some cases — or the views of the prosecutors most familiar with them.
“No decision is more important for a prosecutor than whether or not to . . . deliberately and methodically take a life,” Charlton said. “And that holds true for the attorney general.”
TP ‘overzealous’ about Gonzales smear campaign.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:13 am“No decision is more important for a prosecutor than whether or not to . . . deliberately and methodically take a life,†Charlton said. “And that holds true for the attorney general.â€
Beautiful…plain, simple, understandable, irrefutable. Bravo!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:13 am#2 - Jane
That’s what jumped out at me as well. Very well stated by Charlton.
Gonzo is a completely sick f*ck!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:16 amthis over zealous sicko… is of the party that embraces the right to life. Hilarious!
The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:17 am“…the attorney general has been inattentive …”
That pretty well sums it up.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:20 amTP isn’t overzealous; Gonzo just makes it so damn easy.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:22 amThat’s because the entire administration is full of a feedback loop worth of sociopaths that enhance the sociopathic behaviors of the rest in the group. These people have no empathy whatsoever. They are sociopathic:
so·ci·o·path [soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-]
1. n. A person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
2. n. One who is affected with a personality disorder marked by antisocial behavior.
3. n. Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Moreoever, these people get off on the suffering of others. The look Bush gets in his eyes when talking about the death penalty, or some other pain he has caused or been party to, is quite telling. It’s the same look (and smirk) Cheney gets when he is talking about how unpatriotic and nuts the people on “the left” are, or when he is talking about subjects he has a monetary investment in. It’s the same look Gonzalez gets when he is lying and thinks there are no repercussions in store for him. They are sadistic.
So, we allowed a group of sadistic sociopaths into office. Any ideas why we are having some “problems”?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:22 amTP isn’t overzealous; Gonzo just makes it so damn easy.
Comment by willyloman
Right you are, Willy, right you are. What did Will Rogers once say about where he got his material? All he had to do was pick up that day’s newspaper and see what Congress had done that day.
Going, going, Gonzo!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:25 am————-
These people (AG, Bush, Cheney) are genuine Devil Worshipers.
That is no joke.
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June 28th, 2007 at 12:26 amComment by jonny — June 28, 2007 @ 12:26 am
So am I.
What’s it to you?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:27 amThese awful people dwell in the abyss.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:32 amthe devil or that big stone Owl thingy at the Grove? because technically that’s not “the devil”. Pagan I think, but not really satan himself. Which is ok…I guess. Could be worse.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:32 amCoultergiest worships Satan proper. Now that is just not right.
Missouri just found out they killed an innocent man as the witness now says he wasn’t at the scene of the crime but the Police told him to testify that he was. The head officer in the case is dying of cancer and said he wanted to tell the truth before he dies. He side the accused was not the guilty man but he lied to complete the case. Justice in America. Now that the truth is out the dude can’t come back. Gonzales’s sister is a deal dealer and has been for many years I notice since he has been Attorney General she’s never been arrested again for selling drugs.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:33 amWith all this talk about immigrates I wonder how Gonzales would feel if the death penalty were given to him for a crime he didn’t commit. So easy to kill others. Well at lease Gonzales like all of us will have a chance to explain that to God. Someone should buy Gonzales a mirror so he can see who he is, not what he wants to be.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Is that why you’re always posting “CHENEY/08″? ;-)
June 28th, 2007 at 12:35 am“No decision is more important for a prosecutor than whether or not to . . . deliberately and methodically take a life,†Charlton said. “And that holds true for the attorney general.â€
Or anyone, for that matter. And yet, they do it.
“Capital punishment is society’s way of demonstrating the sanctity of human life.” - Sen Orrin Hatch
That makes absolutely no sense to me, but it appears to be the driving philosophy behind the continued use of capital punishment in this country. I have made my views on capital punishment known elsewhere. I do not think a civilized people should ever use it, if for no other reason than the danger of executing a person for a crime they did nto commit. There never was, is not now, nor could there ever be a valid justification for doing that, and it has been done many, many times throughout our history.
Aggy is right in their hypocrisy. These people claim that abortion is wrong because it amounts to the “taking of an innocent human life,” yet they don’t hesitate to enthusiastically embrace the use of capital punishment, knowing full well that its very use could result in exactly the same “taking of an innocent human life.” And yet, they do it.
And when the wrong person is executed, what does that say to the real criminal? It says, “You got a lifetime supply of ‘reasonable doubt’ to throw around.” How can they claim they got the wrong guy before and not this time? How an they say that their justice is “swift and sure” if such mistakes are possible? How can we ever trust the decision on “whether or not to . . . deliberately and methodically take a life,†knowing that decision has been wrong before.
And there is no going back on a wrongful execution. No salace for the family of the wrongly executed. No credibility when the next decision comes to make the same choice. “We’re usually right,” is no excuse for ever, ever, even once, being wrong.
I cannot accept someone as being a fellow human being who is “overzealous” in seeking the death penalty. Would he accept it for himself? There’s the real test in a belief in capital punishment. If a jury of your peers felt that you were guilty of a heinous crime, do you accept having your life taken for it, regardless of your actual guilt? Do you believe in and trust our system of justice, that you would willingly face a jury where you might be given the death penalty?
June 28th, 2007 at 12:36 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — June 28, 2007 @ 12:35 am
Oh yeah! Thanks for reminding me:
MEPHISTOPHELES/CHENEY ‘08!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:37 am“Capital punishment is society’s way of demonstrating the sanctity of human life.†- Sen Orrin Hatch
The short version of it, Wayne?? Guys like Orrin get wood when they think about putting someone to death.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:38 amMissouri just found out they killed an innocent man as the witness now says he wasn’t at the scene of the crime but the Police told him to testify that he was.
Comment by Jackie
This is why the death penalty should be abolished.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:40 amComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 12:27 am
You, and your leaders are much more than that though: spineless.
Such cowardice that has never existed on the face the earth before, and the majority of you narcissistic fool brey around like asses under the guises of your pretend “Christianity”
Thieves, liars, traitors, hypocrites, cowards, sociopaths and pedophiles: the real face of the GOP.
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June 28th, 2007 at 12:42 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 28, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Well said, Wayne. I absolutely agree.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:43 amHouse Votes to Accept $4,400 Pay Raise“…The pay raise would also apply to the vice president - who is president of the Senate - congressional leaders and Supreme Court justices…”it is this kind of democracy that are soldiers are getting blown up for
June 28th, 2007 at 12:47 amthe majority of you narcissistic fool brey around like asses under the guises of your pretend “Christianityâ€
Thieves, liars, traitors, hypocrites, cowards, sociopaths and pedophiles: the real face of the GOP.
Comment by ConservativesRCowards — June 28, 2007 @ 12:42 am
Hey, watch it buddy!!!
I said I was a Satanist!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:47 amGonzales used to draw up the reports for Chimpy’s death penalty reviews in Texas.
Chimpy wouldn’t even take the time to read them.
Bush is amoral.
His concern for other humans is nonexistent, as his endless war for Halliburton profits and dreams of Churchillian legacy.
-GSD
June 28th, 2007 at 12:51 amThese people (AG, Bush, Cheney) are genuine Devil Worshipers.
That is no joke.
Comment by jonny — June 28, 2007 @ 12:26 am
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So am I.
What’s it to you?
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 12:27 am
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You, and your leaders are much more than that though: spineless.
Such cowardice that has never existed on the face the earth before, and the majority of you narcissistic fool brey around like asses under the guises of your pretend “Christianityâ€
Thieves, liars, traitors, hypocrites, cowards, sociopaths and pedophiles: the real face of the GOP.
Comment by ConservativesRCowards — June 28, 2007 @ 12:42 am
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CRC speaks truth to power. The current people in control of the GOP, and so very many of the so-called-Christians who wouldn’t know one of Christ’s teachings if it lifted them when they were down, or fed them while they were poor, or treated them with the dignity that all people, as human beings, deserve from one another.
I would have no problem with PIP being a Satanist. But he isn’t. I don’t think he really believes in much of anything, be it reality or fantasy. Well, maybe a bit of fantasy. At least a practicing Satanist is more honest about their lifestyle and choices than a fauXtian. Plus, we have freedom of religion in America, and they are welcome to practice any part of their religion that doesn’t require the physical harm of one or more non-consensual living beings.
Cheny, Bush, et al, are not Christian or Satanists. They are snake-oil salesmen who don’t believe a damned word they spew. All they care about is the causal relationship between what they say, and how much money and/or power it brings them. They are selfish, evil men, and their day is coming.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:52 amComment by wes — June 28, 2007 @ 12:47 am
This following the day after Senate Republicans blocked consideration of a union-backed bill that would eliminate secret ballot elections for workers voting on whether they want to join a union.
I *DETEST* Republicans!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:52 amThey have no moral compass. When you start an administration with the intention to dismantle the Constitution and throw out the limitations of the Geneva Convention, you set a cascade of indifference into motion that seeps into every other aspect of govenment. it will take years to right this ship.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:55 amComment by willyloman — June 28, 2007 @ 12:55 am
I’ve always suspected that all that metal in Cheney’s bionic heart was affecting his moral compass.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:57 amComment by Moderation — June 28, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Agreed.
The entire reason Anton Lavey founded the Satanic church was because of the hypocrisy of “Christian” churches in the first place.
He wanted a place where he could actually practice his kinks without being a hypocrite: in other words, he was an honest man.
No, I’m not a Satanist, just a former divinity student. :)
June 28th, 2007 at 12:59 amThat’s where they keep the gold missing from Fort Knox.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:59 am3rd time trying to post…wtf, as they say…
Gonzo is appeasing Bush with his death cult focus…
Read Madsen’s 2003 article on the Bush Christian Blood Cult - http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html
June 28th, 2007 at 1:05 amHas anyone noticed that freedomrings has gone apeshit on the thread below? Lordy….
Goodnight all…
June 28th, 2007 at 1:07 amThis following the day after Senate Republicans blocked consideration of a union-backed bill that would eliminate secret ballot elections for workers voting on whether they want to join a union.
I *DETEST* Republicans!
Comment by ConservativesRCowards — June 28, 2007 @ 12:52 am
It’s even worse than that. Senate Republicans blocked consideration of a union-backed bill that would ADD options to elections for workers voting on whether they want to join a union IN ADDITION to the option of secret ballots.
It isn’t even eliminating the secret ballots in any way, shape, or form. It is giving the workers MORE OPTIONS and MORE ROUTES to take to form a union. And so much more. Right now there is a terribly disproportionate PRESENCE of power in the Capital portion of the Market, and a terribly disproportionate LACK of power in the Labor portion of the market, at all levels.
We are deeply engaged in a sweeping battle of class warfare, but much of America seems to be oblivious. Their voices are not being heard, because 5% of the populace can pay-to-play in government. They are allowed to use REAL Capital as political capital. Whereas political capital is SUPPOSED to be measured ONLY in the number of voting citizens your cause/lobby/bill has backing it. Their voices are not being heard, because the media has been allowed to consolidate in ways that fundamentally undermine anti-trust laws. So the airwaves and papers are disproportionally filled with conservative views. And the feds let them continue their consolidation of media.
Fully engaged class warfare, folks. And we are in it deep.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:09 amComment by Styve — June 28, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Bush… neo-Christians… Blood Cult… Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:09 amComes as no surprise. Speedy has to hurry up and grease the wheels for the upcoming Cheney Dictatorship, to begin shortly, after Cheney and the Mossad nuke Washington sometime next year.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:10 amComment by JPV — June 28, 2007 @ 1:10 am
Cheney… JOOOooooOOOOoooos… Nukes… Conspiracy!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:12 amComment by Zooey — June 28, 2007 @ 1:07 am
Yeah, we saw–it was up to 7 unanswered in a row. Scary. Let’s just leave him there by himself.
Goodnight Z, goodnight, all!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:15 amYou gave away the nation to invaders yesterday and it looks like the government you trust is adding a few more pounds of flesh, possibly your flesh to the improved scales of justice! Shame on you, now they will cut us to pieces.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:15 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — June 28, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Forget you and the high horse you rode in on. You gave away the Nation and now there is no saving it.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:18 amHouse Votes to Accept $4,400 Pay Raise“
Comment by wes — June 28, 2007 @ 12:47 am
You mean they voted themselves a pay raise despite:
Amendment XXVII
No law varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives shall take effect until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
?
I wonder how we can stop this legally? I’m going to bed. Good night, everyone.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:19 amPIP~~ You are an idiot!! Read the goddamn article…
June 28th, 2007 at 1:20 amGonzales seems to enjoy having people executed. He was responsible for Gov. George Bush executing over a hundred people in Texas.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:20 amYou handed the Neocons an orgy. You GAVE BUSH what BUSH WANTED! Shame on you that supported this betrayal!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:22 amComment by Styve — June 28, 2007 @ 1:20 am
Yeah, I read the article…
Did you or “freedomrings” write it?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:23 amI wonder how we can stop this legally? I’m going to bed. Good night, everyone.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 28, 2007 @ 1:19 am
BARTELBEE will solve it Wayne you pain in the ass degenerate! Its too late the nation is dead. The invasion has just been given corporate support. GFY
June 28th, 2007 at 1:25 amBARTELBEE will solve it
Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 1:25 am
This is actually funny!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:25 amComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 1:23 am
All the fast talking you can come up with will not get us out of this mess you scum.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:26 amDitto…can you read?? Wayne Madsen wrote it.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:28 amComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 1:25 am
Is it funny? How so?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:30 amComment by Styve — June 28, 2007 @ 1:28 am
Well then, let me paraphrase…
Bush… Fake Christians… Neo-Cons… The Pope… Conspiracy!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:30 amComment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 1:30 am
What? I just mean… you’re funny… that’s all… you make me laugh… come on…
June 28th, 2007 at 1:31 amSo what do you prefer communism or socialism or just sticking with plutocracy traitor PIP
June 28th, 2007 at 1:33 amComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 1:31 am
Your a fool!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:34 amI’m honest and to me your all dead. The USA was destroyed yesterday by congress who I have mentioned many times is in on the game with the dickt ator!At least 20 lop holes… total garbage.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:39 amWhy do you all hate Americans so much?
June 28th, 2007 at 1:41 amGFYourselves you deserve executions and surveillance and unemployment!
June 28th, 2007 at 1:43 amNothing is more disgusting than the death penalty. Repukes love to kill now and sort it out later. “Oh wait, you’re innocent? Sorry, you’re already dead!”
I can’t imagine such hubris.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:45 amfreedomrings, you may like this article…
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=va&aid=6134
June 28th, 2007 at 1:46 amann coulter:sociopath
June 28th, 2007 at 1:46 amalberto gonzalez:sociopath
george bush: sociopath
Comment by JPV — June 28, 2007 @ 1:46 am
He is a dictator now and the Congress handed him millions of soldiers. Why do they all hate Americans so? Yes I am aware that we are running out of time.
June 28th, 2007 at 1:51 amWhile I strongly disagree with illegal immigration, and think that most illegal immigrants should be deported, I think you are overreacting, freedomrings. Our Republic has far more to worry from the destruction of regulation, the ignoring of anti-trust laws, the degradation of the Constitution, and the stress placed upon of our armed forces to the point that they are in the midst of breaking, all under President Cheney’s rule.
Illegal immigrants can be a danger. However, the outsourcing of our jobs is also a much larger factor. The lack of a living wage for a very significant percentage of the populace in this country is destroying it in fundamental ways, and far more directly leads to the next Great Depression you (rightfully) fear; the AVERAGE living wage today would be $10/hour if the minimum wage had kept up with inflation since it’s inception. By the time the $7.25 minimum wage is fully enacted, the value of the dollar will who-knows how much lower, making that wage hike far too little, far too late!
I am also far, far more worried about Blackwater and their ilk being used as a police force, a guerrilla force, or a standing army against American citizens. Those mercenary groups are vastly more dangerous to our country than any force of Mexican immigrants who just want to work could ever, EVER hope to be.
I am totally with you on the need to tighten our borders, ship out any illegal immigrant who doesn’t have a natural-born citizen for a child (especially with an American spouse), and make sure that the LEGAL routes for securing citizenship are safe, accessible, and fair. Remember, not all immigration laws are fair, and that needs to be corrected. Cubans are the big flag in that regard (I am a natural born Miami man, so I have grown up all my life hearing all sides of the Cuban argument). Unlike every other nationality, all Cubans have amnesty, illegal or no, if they make it to our shores. If their foot touches our sand, they can stay forever. If they are caught out at sea, back they go to Cuba. You think Mexicans don’t know this, and can’t understand why the double standard?
I do not think THAT is the end of America. The $$$ in politics, the control of the media, and the unfettered power of the corporate world in modern America are the three most likely culprits in the downfall of our Republic, if anything is.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:16 amComment by Moderation — June 28, 2007 @ 2:16 am
You are with us or you are with the terrorists means that you are part of the plutocracy or your fcuked! He is already the dictator. Congress is a plutocratic body and we are now done. Soon 9T of national debt we are fcuked! Millions of aliens to complete the division of the nation and we are fcuked! No resource wealth to speak of and no more food to spare we are fcuked! Congress proved who they are loyal to yesterday and it isn’t the Constitution or any of the peasants.
We are not getting out from under the 9T so think about who is going to live in the new 4B embassy! The race side is interjected by the aliens FULL STOP. It is a matter of cheap labor for the plutocracy and adding to the military! Bush just added millions of possible troops!
June 28th, 2007 at 2:29 amI give up! Screw posting here we are fcuked worse than a $10.00 whore now.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:31 amModeration > I agree with your post 59. The Mexican border remaining wide-open is just one of the nails in our coffin. Freedomrings is very upset about Democrat Senators helping Bush to pass the bogus immigration bill. I am exasperated and dumbfounded about it, but it indicates the Congress is controlled by corporate wealthy elite now.
June 28th, 2007 at 2:54 amA neocon peon, a product of the “culture of life”, trying to end the life of a fellow human being no matter what?
That’s unheard of!
/sarcasm off
These people never get tired of killing others. And no distance can guarantee your safety. Just ask any Iraqi.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:11 amRemember, this is the same bloodthirsty bastard who cavalierly signed off on 152 state-sanctioned murders while Bush was governor of Texas. Just a test walk in the park for the thousands and thousands that would soon die in the Middle East because of the deadly duo.
The case involved a man charged with murder without a body or DNA evidence. The body was buried in a landfill but Gonzo refused to exhume the body because it cost $500,000 to 1 million. It’ was only some dumb wetback whose life might be at stake; and some poor family whose loved one remained in the dump.
Matthew 7:1-3 warns: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
No mercy for Gonzo; or Bush. Let the full measure of what they have sown be reaped without mercy.
June 28th, 2007 at 3:24 am. . . and then they came for me . . .
June 28th, 2007 at 3:51 amThis is exactly what I’ve been posting. Most people don’t know what sociopathy is (your added comment regarding finding enjoyment in the pain and discomfort in others is a very important component of this personality disorder - you hit the nail on he head).
Good post.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:35 amComment by TROLLBAIT3000 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:35 am
Some of us know all too well, you Islamo-Stalinist-Defeatist!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:04 amMimi:
Romans 13:1-5 also warns: “Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil. Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience sake.”
And, Genesis 9:6: “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”
enjoy having people executed.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:43 amSorry, that last sentence should read “No one enjoys executing murderers, but that’s the law.”
June 28th, 2007 at 6:44 amAh, yes. How very Christian of him. I see he was following the “Thou Shalt Not Kill” commandment to the letter.
Oh. Wait. What a hypocrit.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:05 amSorry to go off topic but this is really bugging me. I for one am canceling my online subscription to the Wall Street Journal if the Bancroft family sells out to the right-wing billionaire Rupert Murdoch. Conservatives complain incessantly about liberal billionaires like Soros lurking in the shadows. Yet somehow Republicans are unable to pinpoint Soros’ levers that exercise anywhere near the influence of the national Fox News Network and the rest of the Murdoch media empire. Despite Soros’ alleged manipulations, Republicans have been quite successful in getting themselves elected until the last election when their incompetence and corruption were just too much for voters to continue to stomach.
Is it a coincidence that the Bush Republican’s rise coincided with Murdoch’s dominance of the media? Murdoch’s Fox Network famously called the 2000 election in favor of the Republican candidate, causing all the other networks to follow suit. Only later after the impact of the Democratic candidate being the underdog was felt did Fox News admit that it had no basis at all to call the election and, indeed, was suspiciously on the phone with Republican campaign officials that night. In the next Presidential election Fox parroted dubious smears to the Democratic candidate from a partisan group with murky origins (the Swifties). A documentary on Fox showed how these actions were not a coincidence and how the “news†network circulated daily memos instructing their broadcasters on which party line of the day to tow, such as the Democratic Presidential candidate being a “flip flopper.†Indeed, a Fox News alum has taken the top media position within the White House itself.
Murdoch himself has slipped in publicly admitting that he used his network to try to manipulate the country concerning the war in Iraq. Murdoch is not interesting in the goal of reporting the news to reveal the truth, but rather in the goal of using the news as a tool to manipulate the public to promote his right-wing agenda.
In short, Murdoch’s claim that he will be non-partisan in taking over the Wall Street Journal is not credible. He has made similar promises before only to reneg.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:08 amAnd, Genesis 9:6: “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.â€
enjoy having people executed.
Comment by Jake — June 28, 2007 @ 6:43 am
Sorry, Jake, I will not, for this “God” you speak of does not exist, and we are not bound by what you and others claim this non-existent entity proclaims.
If your “God” is all-powerful, then he shouold have the balls to do his own executing, and not be a coward hiding behind someone else.
And if I’m wrong, let him strike me dead where I sit.
I guarantee I’ll be posting again later, alive and well.
People who believe in deliberately taking the life of another human who is no danger to them, whatever their personal justification, have something wrong with them.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:18 amReason:
The commandment is “Thou Shalt Not Murder.” That’s the basis for EVERY American death penalty statute. Do you also think killing in self-defense inappropriate?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:27 amJale.
As a good repug, you should know that it costs a great deal more to put a convict to death than it does to keep a convict alive.
In light of the Illinois Prison Project in which almost a dozen death row inmates were exhonorated based upon DNA evidence, aren’t you at all reluctant to see innocent people murdered, given the presumption of innocence and the failure of juries in light of scientific evidence?
Better one guilty man go free than one innocent man be put to death?
Science schmience . . . . the earth was created in one day. . .
that lasted a billion years, in which apes (excepting you) evolved).
Darwin
June 28th, 2007 at 7:27 amSorry, should have been Jake and no paren. I’m just not completely evolved. Not a capital crime.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:30 amenuf:
God detests that the guilty murder goes free and the innocent executed; so do I. If TP starts a thread on Darwin, I’ll see you there.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:31 amNo problem. I didn’t even notice it said “Jale” until you pointed it out.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:32 amJake,
Criminals are generally dumb. Most often, they’ve done a bad deed and it wasn’t their first and most likely won’t be their last. Before they ever land in the slammer for the bad for which they’re convicted, they’ve done something else for which they can be convicted. Ironically, it’s a fact in which they often take so much pride that can’t help but share.
I have no compassion. However, the possibility of a mistake is too grave an error for justice to bear. I’ve lived it, I’ve wanted it to hurt. I know. Heartbreaking as it is, the worst sentence is life behind bars. Life. No release. No reconsideration. Life.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:38 amWell, that’s your “opinion” that the worst sentence is life (assuming your could somehow guarantee some liberal judge down the road won’t release the murderer). As for the increased costs, it wouldn’t be so high if capital punishments were swiftly executed — why so many appeals for an actual murderer — who knows, maybe it would become a deterrent again?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:44 amP.S. You’ve lived the possibility of a mistake in a capital case?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:48 amPerhaps the best case against confirming AG in the first place was the way he handled death penalty cases for Bush in Texas. He has never shown much respect for evidence.
Does anyone remember the only thing Presidents and members of Congress take an oath to is to defend the Constitution? How can we protect the Constitution and keep this guy on the job?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:51 amSorry Jake . . . touched a nerve.
I do have compassion . . . everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence and to the best defense possible (Atticus Finch - mumm), however, when guilt is proved beyond a reasonable doubt, particularly when substantiated by DNA evidence, life is appropriate. Death is not.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:55 am#80
Yes.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:56 amI’m saddened to hear that you’ve been personally impacted, enuf. We’ll have to agree to disagree, though, whether death is appropriate.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:02 am#80
It was a mistake. But due to a twist of fate, the truth came forward from a quite unlikely source and because justice was not so swift and people are essentially good . . . disaster averted.
Nevertheless, an innocent person and that person’s family endured a trajedy from which they will never fully recover. The community stands strongly behind them, but how horrible.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:03 amHistoryTeach:
You may want to review the ACTUAL oaths of office again.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:04 amMy spelling is horrendous. I am actually a grammer school grad.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:05 amI type so fast here, I can’t deduct any points for misspellings either ; )
June 28th, 2007 at 8:14 amComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Check out more of his troll behavior in the last third of this thread:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 06/ 27/ katrina-investigations/ #comments
June 28th, 2007 at 8:30 amBush and Gonzo were quite the prolific hangmen back in Texas . Check out the “Texas Death Memos ” . I don’t believe they ever passed up a chance to fry someone , no matter how suspect the evidence , no matter how drunk or inept the public defender ( because most defendants in death cases are poor ) , no matter that the defendant had an IQ of 65 .
Jill Sobul had a jazzy little ditty named They Sure Like to Fry ‘em in Texas. Quite a toe tapper .
June 28th, 2007 at 8:30 amIs “ace” the same person as “BARTLEBEE”?
June 28th, 2007 at 8:33 amHey Jake:
Go check out the last third of this thread - you’ll be so proud of your fellow troll:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 06/ 27/ katrina-investigations/ #comments
June 28th, 2007 at 8:35 amYou guys just hate facts and links, don’t you?
June 28th, 2007 at 8:36 amLabels: Ann Coulter, elizabeth edwards Coulter’s hate has been a financial windfall for John Edwards
by John Aravosis (DC) ·
The woman should be in prison. Has the Secret Service investigated Coulter yet for wishing John Edwards assassinated? Oh that’s right, George Bush’s Secret Service only investigates liberals, while conservative man-whores are given free rein of the White House without even getting the basic background checks required of other frequent White House visitors. Why should we expect the Secret Service to investigate death threats against a Democratic presidential candidate? That would require them to do their job in an impartial manner. Just like they didn’t care when Pat Robertson suggested that terrorists nuke the State Department. It’s not their job to care, it’s their job to protect Republicans. More from AP.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:49 amCoulter did NOT wish Edwards assassinated — I watched that interview live — she noted that others have wished Cheney be assassinated, so next time, that’s what she will say about Edwards too. Also, do you have proof that Ann Coulter has ever been to the White House? Lastly, I think only Hillary and Obama are being protected as of now — is there anyone at Foggy Bottom that rates Secret Service protection?
June 28th, 2007 at 8:54 amthe death penalty is a justified end when the eviedence is clear, a head and liver in the freezer, or bodies under the garage floor, or a self made snuf film, or ……….
Without this type of evicence there should never be state sanctioned death penalties. Remember the soccer field in Afganistan, that is where little king georgie will lead us.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:13 amI will stick with “beyond a reasonable doubt” thank you very much.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:18 amYep, these are the “culture of life” people. You know, the ones who say “all life is sacred” when it comes to a fetus. They are all a bunch of hypocrites. They love the fetus and hate the child. And they want to kill people convicted of murder even if the evidence was flimsy.
Anyone know how many people have had their convictions reversed due to DNA research? I know that it is a startling number.
If there is the slightest chance that someone may not be guilty of a crime, it is a crime to put them to death. I wonder how many innocent people we have killed in this country.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:27 amjake
Say that when you are the one that was mis-identified by an eye witness. Just because you were at the 7-11 when the robbery occured and now your butt hole is so tight you haven’t had a BM in four day because your life is on the line. The witness after all goes to church everysunday and is a member of the local Elks Lodge. In a high stress situation the majority of information garnered from eye witnesses is wrong, this has been proven by compairing testemony to camera recordings. I would suggest you re-evaluate your position before you so calmly doom someone to death.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:31 am“Coulter did NOT wish Edwards assassinated — I watched that interview live — she noted that others have wished Cheney be assassinated, so next time, that’s what she will say about Edwards too.”
You know Jake, you need to put on your listening ears. Here is what she said:
“if I’m going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I’ll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.â€
How is that NOT saying that she wishes that Edwards would be assassinated.
You are too stupid for words to describe. I am sorry that I responded to you, but I couldn’t let this lie pass unnoticed.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:32 amjake,
I am waiting for some pithy, intellegent retort. I guess you don’t have enough live experence after emerging from the womb to think on your feet yet. Oh well, too bad, so sad.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:39 amjake,
how is the closet, are you holding the teddy bear tight? don’t worry mommy and daddy will be home soon and you can ask them to protect you and tell you lies that make you feel better. Its ok.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:46 amGonzales is a sick SOB.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:51 amjake,
you can’t run and hide from the truth, and if you deny it then there is eventually a padded cell and neuroinhibitors in your future.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:00 amAnyone else NOT on the Ignore List?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:02 amWell, we all know how Bush feels about the death penalty because he approved of so many executions when he was governor.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:08 amGonzo was his attorney during that time, so we must assume he also is bloodthirsty.
Jake,
what’s wrong feeling all alone, can’t come up with a decent retort to a valid argument. If you only engage when you can argue from emotion you will continue to be ignored and be viewed as a bafoon.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:16 amJake,
I’m up for a pithy argument . . . just can’t figure out what yours is. . . you seem a tad polarized. Hee.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:22 amenuf,
Jake is afraid of the dark, even though that is where “he” appears to reside.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:45 amJust so you know, the vast majority of prosecutors in Texas declined to prosecute cases that lacked evidence, where defendants were mentally defective, or otherwise were flawed. This may ot have been the case down in Harris County where Bush and Gonzalez played, but don’t slam the whole state for a couple of wild asses.
Statistically, you will find, that Harris County was death row central. For capital offenses, the rest of the state bears more resemblance to New Hampshire.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:01 amHarris County is basically Houston. The area is a bastion for the Right wing and home to Tom Delay( Sugarland, Texas ), also the playgound fot Neal Bush the original savings an loan scandal dude. George Jr. tried to pretend he was from Ector county, home of all of his failed buisness ventures. Harris County is where Bush 41 was first elected to the Congress in the mid 60’s when there really was not much of a Republican Party in Texas. Alberto Gonzales went to Rice University ( don’t ask me how the idiot got in ) which is in Houston and is a school that basically on admits the truely intellectually gifted.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:12 amoh yea, it is also the home of Richard Viguire (sp?)
June 28th, 2007 at 11:13 amJake,
Welcome the light! The closet is no place for you to be!
It won’t kill you. Promise.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:24 amRocky
Jake has been overloaded and can no longer process the evil that the truth is. His whole belief structure is is question and he is stuck in a fatal flaw. Wait for him to reboot and mabey the garbage in garbage out stuff will clear the system
June 28th, 2007 at 11:28 amUT rejected dubya but Harvard let him in. Go figure.
Over rated.
Must say though, SMU is royally screwing up. Dub’ya’s presidential library and rightwing think tank. Get a friggin’ clue.
Go to savesmu.com and complain. Website formed by a nationwide group of Methodist ministers. Thank GOD.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:30 amHarvard was bought by poppi’s cash.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 amSorry, should have been savesmu.org.
Laura Bush, Dick Cheney and I think Rummy were all on the board when this hair-brained scheme was hatched. Harriett Myers is also an alum (we’re not proud). Kick these turkeys out. Lay their eggs shere they were hatched. Why the hell won’t Harvard take em? Even Yale bent over once. Texas has enough squatters.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:39 amenuf,
money is alway the key and if every student and alumni that was against the library would leave and withdraw their cash then the regents might take notice. If not then is it really a place you would like to recieve a degree from.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amif your desire is to go to a non secular school there are many that don’t associate with the extreem right of the republican party. TCU comes to mind and is in the general area, given the size of Texas.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:47 amBaylor is questionable at the moment.
Jas Reed:
Once Jake reconfigures, he may no longer be a troll. Oooh la la.
Perhaps he has seen the light. He may need goggles. The Rocky Mountain sunshine can be overwhelming.
A little John Deuseldorff (a man from Fort Worth, Texas & NM) interleude:
I am the eagle, I live in high country, in rocky cathedrals that reach for the sky . . . I am the hawk and there’s blood on my feathers , the time is still turning, it soon will be dry ….
Oh, we are far too lucky out here . . .
Stay on your Congressmen b/c they seem determined to screw it up for us here. They’re drilling holes and shaving mountains at a record pace. It’s bad. Everyone needs a rocky moutain high . . .If its messed up for us, it’s messed up for you.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:51 amMy great uncle played football for TCU in the 30’s when they last won the NCAA championship, my uncle went there in the 50’s, so did much of my extended family, non of whom are extreemist. With the exception of one cousin, all who went to Baylor are Bible Thumping Right Wing Conservatives who I only care for because of shared DNA. I, my Father and one great uncle are UT grads and are the Blacksheep of the family.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:51 amRR
I use to live high up in the Rockies around 8500 feet, where upon I then moved to the beach in Lahaina, HI. I am planning on moving to Colorado once again in the not to distant future, New York in not the place for us. My wife wants to work for the Military offering psychological counseling to the familys of soldiers and to help provent domestic violence in the military
June 28th, 2007 at 11:55 amAt SMU, money is always an issue. . . politics too. Huge problems over giving $20 in funding to the Gay Lesbian Students Organization years ago. It actually made national news. twenty bucks. How stupid is that. Ultimately, the students got their money and the Methodist church totally mellowed, embracing all comers. TCU is a great school, very similar to SMU. Baylor. hum. A few years ago, they made national news when they allowed students to dance on campus. Yee haw. You’re still shut out of the dorm if you don’t get in by 10 pm. Good school. They lost out on the library offer.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:58 amJR,
Welcome back! 8,500 feet? Telluride? I think that Aspen is at 7,600 ft (could be less). Beautiful! On behalf of the soldiers, we sincerely appreciate your wife’s help. Many have got a tough road ahead. Hawaii must be hard to leave. I’m going in November. Lived in Manhattan for a year but missed my mountains. So serene. Climb, bike, hike and raft . . . no where but here!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:05 pmJR:
Both of my parents graduated from TCU. My dad went on baseball and basketball scholarships and my mom was a Kappa. I lived just off of campus for years. It’s my Fort Worth stomping ground. Go Frogs!
June 28th, 2007 at 12:09 pmOh, I also have a cousin who pitched for the Aggies. I tell him that we don’t claim him. He’d go to the Chicken and make harassing phone calls, calling me a prep (who hangs at a place called the “Chicken” except for a bunch of crazy cadets who have a goat for a mascot?).
As I said, don’t claim him.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:13 pmno aggies in my family, but a few friends, republicans at that. The Aggies I grew up with have all denounces the current screw up that is occupying the White House
RR
lived and played in Vail for six years
June 28th, 2007 at 12:32 pmHere is one that will scare you, my father is responsible for starting the young republicans at UT. He has an award on his wall for distinguished serviece from the RNC. He was a political appointee under President Nixon in ‘69. He now is a rabid anti-republican, an anti neo-republican I should say and has always been refered to as the red republican since he has fought for national heatlth care and eco-friendly development since I can remember and before that.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:37 pmlooks like Colorado Springs is the destination, a good place for someone like me who will start my first fight with the faithful followers of one James Dobson and go from there.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pmanyhow back to the topic at hand.
Alberto Gonzalez, Dick Cheney, George Bush, I. Scooter Libbey, Carl Rove and the rest have all committed crimes in the conduct of their offices. If your only concern is to get them out of office then wait just under 2 years and it will happen. If your concern is justice then call your Congressional Reps. and Senators and let them know. When one of the other ones who is not from your district or state stands up and comitts an act of bravery call them and let them know your satisfaction with their new position. As for the rest of them put their proverbial feet to the fire. Speak up at church if you go there. Redmind the parish that there are many other evil besides a right to choose, just imagine if the little two striper from germany had been aborted, how many lives would have been saved. Would our world be better or worse, would a more evil despost have appeared. The vectors of possibility are endless, suffice it to say that letting a child be born and then eat lead and have crappy nutrition as it grows is just as large a sin as aborting it for the child life is destroied regardless, any potential is lost.
June 28th, 2007 at 12:53 pmand the band played on
June 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pmAnd, Genesis 9:6: “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.â€
enjoy having people executed.
Comment by Jake — June 28, 2007 @ 6:43 am
Reason:
The commandment is “Thou Shalt Not Murder.†That’s the basis for EVERY American death penalty statute. Do you also think killing in self-defense inappropriate?
Comment by Jake — June 28, 2007 @ 7:27 am
Jake,
Sorry to be so late getting back to prove I’m alive and well. My response was to your first statement. It appears that you wish to use your personal; religious beliefs as authority for us to “enjoy having people executed.” Please explain (I have not read previous posts, so I do not know if anyone else asked this), in what way does this use of religion to justify the taking of another human’s life any different than the use of religion to justify the taking of human life by the Islamic fundamentalists? (Apologies if you’ve already answered that one this thread.)
My response had nothing whatsoever to do with your second statement. As to my opinion regarding the question at the end, as the Prime Minister enjoys saying, I refer the gentlemen to the remarks I made some time ago. (Six months.)
For the record, my concern is for the state having the authority to take a person’s life, especially when the person in question has been safely confined from the society at risk. Killing in self-defense is a whole different category, and has nothing whatsoever to with capital punishment being used as a deterrent to crime, which it is not.
As to expenses, it is my understanding that once a person is sentenced to death, an automatic appeals process begins at taxpayer expense (irrelevant to blame anyone, it’s a constitutional right). This expense can, throughout its duration cost us well over a million dollars, and I’ve heard as high as two. (No, I can’t quote you any source. Perhaps these people have answers to those questions.
Since this process already takes years to complete, and the expense of housing such a prisoner must still be borne by taxpayers, why not eliminate the lengthy, expensive taxpayer-funded-two-million-dollar appeals, and just sentence the guy to life in prison without possibility of parole? A few years of that, and they’ll be begging you to kill them. And that’s when they start feeling punished. I do believe that most convicted murderers would rather be put to death than live out their natural lives in prison. So what’s a better punishment than to give them what they dread most - Life, not Death.
I’ll be leaving this thread now. I apologize if my remarks have offended anyone.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:17 pmI will stick with “beyond a reasonable doubt†thank you very much.
Comment by Jake — June 28, 2007 @ 9:18 am
Jake, I am truly sorry to have to say this, but I have to be perfectly honest with you.
What you said is all well and good in theory, but the simple fact is that I don’t believe that people like you are “reasonable”.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:55 pmWhat I would like to bring to the public’s attention is that they (the federal government) is holding 3 other people in federal custody over this case. I know the story you read states the “witnesses†have pleaded out but that is not true. If you read the motion there are 4 people listed, only 1 is being considered for the death penalty. I know for a fact that one of the 3 other people is being held in a county facility. This person is in a 12 X 6 cell 23 hours a day with 3 other people getting only 2 meals day and only being allowed to have 3 books. THIS PERSON IS UNCONVICTED, but needed as a witness and has been in jail for 2 ½ years without knowing what his sentence will be, with out being allowed to sever from the case and with out being allowed to request a speedy trail, with out even allow to know what evidence they think they have (no discovery?). Why? Because it is the first concern to worry about making sure “we†(the people) don’t violate Jose Rio Rico rights so “we†can put him to death.
You maybe innocent until proven guilty, but for the 2 ½ years “witnesses†have sat in jail they have been treated the same or worse then someone who is convicted, because if you are convicted you are in a place where you can watch tv, listen to the radio, go to a church service or hug your mother at a visit (the federal prison systems are full of programs if you are convicted) - these people aren’t even given this because they are UNCONVICTED - waiting to prove what the government doesn’t want to spend the money to prove. (ie paying to find Angela Pickerton’s body)
I guess it doesn’t matter if we violate other people’s rights to make sure we put this guy to death, and save some money. My warning to you, be very careful who you know and what you might see. You to could stumble into a situation like this and spend an indefinite amount of time in a small cell with 3 books, and 3 other people - innocent until proven guilty. I hope if it happens to you, your county jail doesn’t serve green bologna and left over fair food.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:54 pm