Hersh: ‘Bush And Cheney’s Wet Dream Is Hitting Iran’
Hersh: ‘Bush And Cheney’s Wet Dream Is Hitting Iran’
In February, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh wrote a piece in The New Yorker revealing that the Bush administration was setting its sights heavily on Iran, planning for a “possible bombing attack“:
Still, the Pentagon is continuing intensive planning for a possible bombing attack on Iran, a process that began last year, at the direction of the President. In recent months, the former intelligence official told me, a special planning group has been established in the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, charged with creating a contingency bombing plan for Iran that can be implemented, upon orders from the President, within twenty-four hours.
On Tuesday, Hersh spoke more on the Bush administration’s focus on Iran at the Campus Progress National Conference. He said that President Bush and Vice President Cheney are ignoring the actual intelligence on Iran. The “intelligence community keeps on saying, ‘There’s no bomb there.’ And Cheney keeps on saying to the young briefing officers, ‘Thank you son, I don’t buy that.’” Hersh added, “George Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s wet dream is hitting Iran.” Watch it:
Hersh also stated that Bush likes to compare himself to Winston Churchill. Sources close to the President have heard him “say things like, ‘It’ll be 20 years before they appreciate me. … Yes, I may be at 30 percent in the polls, but in 20 or 30 years, they’ll appreciate what I’ve done.’”
UPDATE: The video has been added.
UPDATE II: Check out the Campus Progress Blog for more updates from the conference.
Transcript:
HERSH: He also believes — and this I know from people — You know, one of the reasons I’m a good reporter is I have a lot of access to people that don’t talk otherwise. So I have over the years developed people that I talk to, and people have heard him say things like, “It’ll be 20 years before they appreciate me.”
He talks a lot about Winston Churchill. Churchill ran — he’s the guy who pulled England up during World War II. You’ve all read about him. But after the war — he was a Tory — a Conservative…everybody came home from the wars, scared to death about jobs, and they voted Labor. He was — Churchill was kicked out of office in ‘46. And that was an amazing thing because he had been such a hero to the English people. He got back in in ‘52 and then became a hero again.
Bush sees himself as somebody — that “yes, I may be at 30 percent in the polls, but in 20 or 30 years, they’ll appreciate what I’ve done.” And what they believe, he and Cheney — and I just know this in a first-hand way, I know what they’ve said in a first-hand way — they believe that whether Iran has a bomb or not — and there’s no evidence Iran does and it’s plenty of time and Iran may have all sorts of ambitions. And if I were in Iran, I’d be after what they say, all the threats they make.
Anyway, Iran is nowhere near a bomb, despite what you’ve heard. They’re years and years away and would stop tomorrow if you gave them a peace guarantee. They tried to do this in ‘03, as you remember. Anyway, they believe — the intelligence community keeps on saying, “There’s no bomb there.” And Cheney keeps on saying to the young briefing officers, “Thank you son, I don’t buy that,” in that nice pleasant tone.
And they believe that whether Iran has a bomb now or not, they can get one from Pakistan, from the Russian black market, and Nasrallah - the Hezbollah terrorist group — is embedded in America, even though there’s no evidence of that. They would be capable of getting a bomb smuggled into New York or Washington or wherever.
And so, what they think they’re doing — and you can’t use the word “delusional,” it’s actually in the DSM, it’s a medical term — wacky. And that’s a fair word. They believe they are protecting us from them. It’s not just keeping them from our shores, it’s protecting us from a nuclear holocaust. They really believe that — they don’t want to say so — they believe it. They’re not going to be persuaded otherwise.
And that’s why people like me, I’m going to get up in the morning — I’ve got a cold, so I might not have thought, but usually I have the thought that there are 554 days, that’s the bad news, the good news is I’m up today, that’s another day less. That’s about it. These guys are scary as hell.
QUESTION: In dealing with Iran, the U.S. finds itself handicapped at the negotiating table due to a lack of diplomatic dialogue between the countries for so long. What must America do, and who must do it, and who must it work with to diffuse tensions without resorting to military force?
HERSH: Well, you’ve got to have a coup to overthrow this guy. He’s not going to talk to Iranians. I don’t think he is no matter what, and that’s terrifying because the Iranians are more than willing to talk. America is a pretty powerful enemy, and I’ve been writing about this for two years in the New Yorker, and initially, everybody thought it was loony. It’s less loony now. I don’t know how to put it — George Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s wet dream is hitting Iran. Maybe I should rephrase that.
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Churchill? Bush is really not much of a Republican at all – more like a retarded Christian AA version of Woodrow Wilson.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:05 pm“It’ll be 20 years before they appreciate me”
Ohhh, for the days when humans lived on the surface
June 28th, 2007 at 4:07 pmI hope all republicans consistently refer to the need to attack Iran in every campaign speech.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:09 pmGeorge W. Bush, President of the Future!
What a delusional tool.
-GSD
June 28th, 2007 at 4:10 pmHah! Bush asked tough questions by an army audience today! Too funny. Soon all his speeches will be delived to his staff in the west pawn of the White House.
W - “Okay. Whos got a question? You there… Andy Card.”
A - “Sir, are you tired-”
W - “Like that pink shirt guy! That supposed to mean something?”
(laughs)
A - “Uh, no sir. Are you tired of the Obstructionism from Congress.”
W - “That’s a good question Andy…”
June 28th, 2007 at 4:11 pmSo let’s look at what the human costs of dropping a tactical nuclear weapon on Iran might entail.
They are astronomical.
“The number of deaths could exceed a million, and the number of people with increased cancer risks could exceed 10 million,” according to a backgrounder by the Union of Concerned Scientists from May 2005.
The National Academy of Sciences studied these earth-penetrating nuclear weapons last year. They could “kill up to a million people or more if used in heavily populated areas,” concluded the report, which was sponsored by the U.S. Department of Defense.
Physicians for Social Responsibility examined the risks of a more advanced buster-bunker weapon, and it eerily tabulated the toll from an attack on the underground nuclear facility in Esfahan, Iran. “Three million people would be killed by radiation within two weeks of the explosion, and 35 million people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, would be exposed to increased levels of cancer-causing radiation,” according to a summary of that study in the backgrounder by the Union of Concerned Scientists.
Even if these estimates are off by a factor of two or three, I think we have unquestionably entered genocidal territory. We can only pray that these scientists are profoundly in error. (A much lower estimate is provided by the Oxford Research Group: up to 10,000 immediate deaths, although their report also predicts a much broader and protracted regional war to follow. That would obviously lead to many additional casualties.)
And please remember the overwhelmingly critical fact: we are talking about a threat — if it is one at all — that still lies five or ten years in the future. All these deaths, whatever their number, would result from an attack predicated on a potential threat that does not exist at present, or that will exist in the near future. Many Americans might still look to our “good intentions” and our “exceptionalism” to save them from identifying the savage and inhuman barbarism that the United States would then embody — but much of the rest of the world would not be forgiving or delusional on the required scale. There can never be any kind of forgiveness, even in the smallest degree, for this kind of act.
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 04/ morality-humanity-and-civilization.html
June 28th, 2007 at 4:11 pmyeah, it will be twenty or thirty year before America and world fully appreciate the extent to which this administration was a complete, utter, unmitigated failure.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:11 pmIt appears that MEMRI altered the original speech given by Iran’s President:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm
An honest debate requires honest reporting.
Why did MEMRI alter his quote?
For detailed studies of the fabrications of groups like CAMERA and MEMRI, visit:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ elsewhere/ journalist/ story/ 0,7792,773258,00.html This is must reading about MEMRI and its “credibility”
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1869.shtml
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article445.shtml
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article7.shtml
http://www.abunimah.org/features/020815memri.html
http://electronicintifada.net/ features/ mediaonmedia/ 20010821camera.html
http://www.abunimah.org/features/000403camera.html
http://santacruz.indymedia.org/ feature/ display/ 13401/ index.php
Why does Meyrav Wurmser oversee such distortions, to the benefit of Israel?
Why does the western media parrot her lies verbatim?
http://english.daralhayat.com/ opinion/ OPED/ 12-2005/ Article-20051227-6d024106-c0a8-10ed-00d8-7731782f8f9d/ story.html
David Wurmser:
What do Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and David Wurmser have in common? We know that they’re in the cabal of neocons, who want to destroy the Middle East in order to benefit Israel. But what they specifically have in common, after the fall of Iraq, is their hostility toward Syria
“The CDI’s Ledeen, Amitay and Sobhani were featured speakers at a May 2003 forum on “the future of Iran’ sponsored by AEI, the Hudson Institute and the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. The forum, chaired by the Hudson Institute’s Meyrav Wurmser, the Israeli-born wife of David Wurmser (he serves as Cheney’s leading expert on Iran and Syria), included a presentation by Un Lubrani of Israel’s Ministry of Defense.
Summarizing the sentiment of neoconservative ideologues and strategists, Meyrav Wurmser said: “Our fight against Iraq was only a battle in a long war. It would be ill-conceived to think we can deal with Iraq alone. We must move on, and faster.”
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/ Central_Asia_watch/ Is_Iran_Next.html
June 28th, 2007 at 4:12 pmFrankly, Churchill was appreciated from the time that he took command of the British effort during WWII. I do not think that any opinion polls would have shown the same pathetic support that Il Duce has in this country. Churchill lost out politically after WWII, however, it had little to do with a lack of support for how he led the British in the war.
One can look at Churchill’s ability to unite a people (as opposed to Bush the Divider), create a sense of shared sacrifice (as opposed to the Bush feel good tax cuts for the rich during a war), and consider diverse opinions and quickly adapt to new situations or reverse a mistaken decision with a deep understanding of why his intellectual depth and curiosity marked him as a great leader. Bush - A FOOL.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:14 pmImpeach this SOB before he brings on Armegeddon! He’s headed for personal self-destruction and desires to destroy the entire planet on his way down.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWow. That tape is absolutely chilling. Chilling.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:17 pmbush will not live 20 or 30 years from now.
He will be DEAD … just like the wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz.
And just like the witch, that’s how American will remember bush.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI don’t want to know about Bush’s wet dreams.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:18 pm#5 Just wondering if Bush had his bomber jacket on today, too? What a deluded fool he’s become. His credibility rating with the people is next to zero and he still goes on ranting as though he doesn’t get it. Obviously, this is a hallmark of serious psychopatholgoy, as we’re all getting to witness with each passing day and debacle he’s clearly in the middle of.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:18 pmA conservative makes the case for impeaching Cheney:
June 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pmhttp://slate.com/id/2169292
This photo is too comical - Bush and Cheney look like two inmates from a psycho ward giving each other the “high five” while the rest of the world view them as twisted monsters. Too deluded.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pmOh please,
It is the president’s job to have a plan B. We all hope that we can talk Iran down from their nuke ambitions. What happens if that fails to prduce any fruit in the next 6 months? We have few options left outside of a bombing campaign. Outside of bombing, I guess we could go with full scale war, but bombing seems like a better step to up the pressure on the Terrorists running Iran.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pm“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
THINK
June 28th, 2007 at 4:22 pmYes and both of them would get orgasims when they bomb Iran. Bush and Cheney are warmongering perverts, so they must be stopped before they start WWIII.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:22 pmI agree with Bush. It’ll take 20 or 30 years to really appreciate the damage he’s done.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:23 pmOffensive Nuclear Strike, Roger?
Iran has no nuclear weapons - and won’t for years.
What’s your hurry?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:23 pmIsn’t insanity grounds for impeachment?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pm>>And please remember the overwhelmingly critical fact: we are talking about a threat — if it is one at all — that still lies five or ten years in the future.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
I agree, first use of nuclear weapons is immoral. I often wonder what we would do, though, if terrorists detonated a nuke in New York. I would hate to be the President who had to make the decision of how to respond. NOT responding would not be an option.
Which makes it all the more important that Iran not get a nuke. But let’s face it, we are at war with Iran as we speak. They are funding, training and supplying our enemies in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The way we fight this war at present robs us of our strengths - Navy and Air Force - while playing to the strengths of Iran - religious fanatic suicide guerillas. I have read from several different sources for two days running that Iran’s Republican Guard has entered Iraq near Basra.
I realize these sentiments are not likely to be well looked upon on this site…I know what the Right thinks we should do about Iran (it was well detailed in the article), but what is the Left’s solution?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pmace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pm[How an “incident” can be used as an excuse for military aggression-ed.]
Dangerous Crossroads: Tonkin II?
“An incident” in the Persian Gulf could be used by the US as a pretext for war against Iran.
A war pretext incident, similar to “the Gulf of Tonkin Incident”, which triggered the Vietnam war, could be used by US forces, with a view to justifying retaliatory military action against Iran.
In August 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson claimed that North Vietnamese forces had attacked US destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin. The Tonkin incident, which had been manipulated, contributed to unleashing a full-fledged war against Vietnam:
“A phantom attack on two U.S. destroyers cruising the Gulf of Tonkin was staged by the Pentagon and the C.I.A. The bogus attack occurred early in August, 1964. That evening President Lyndon Johnson went on television giving the grim details of the non-attack. Later, however, it was revealed that navy commander James Stockdale flew cover over the Gulf of Tonkin that night. Stockdale disclosed that U.S. ships were firing at phantom targets–targets that didn’t exist. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident that drew the U.S. into the quagmire of Viet Nam simply didn’t happen. Johnson, as presidents so often do, lied to the American people. The result was the rapid passage of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which was the sole legal basis for the Viet Nam War. As a result of Johnson’s lie, three million Vietnamese people and fifty eight thousand U.S. soldiers died.” (Charles Sullivan, Global Research, January 2006)
–Michel Chossudovsky, “US naval war games off the Iranian coastline: A provocation which could lead to War?” (Oct. 24, 2006)
http://globalresearch.ca/ index.php?context=viewArticle&code=2006102
June 28th, 2007 at 4:26 pmYes, it’s the president’s job to have a plan B, except this administration has never had a plan B for anything. That’s the problem.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:26 pmBush and his supporters have to keep imagining their victories in the future, since they have nothing to brag about now. All those special new powers, all those lives spent, all that money down the hole, and not a damned thing to show for it.
Yep, keep talking about that La-La Land Future, the only place in the universe where Bush isn’t a pathetic loser.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pm.
If indeed any writer’s survive to write about this drunk, druggie, mad man and the most evil regime ever in the history of america they will not write a good review…It will start out with moving our society back word’s 50 year’s, distroying our constitution and killing million’s of people by design and intent..There will not be any kind word’s ever about bush/ cheney or any one associated with them…Killer’s are never spoken about in kind word’s.Never…Blessings
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pm1. Churchill wasn’t a coward. Bush is.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pm2. After bombing Iran, Bush plans to do…what? (Hint: he NEVER thinks ahead about things like this.)
3. Are we going to impeach these guy now, or let them continue destroying our country…and everyone elses country, too?!
Plan B? You’re joking!
He hasn’t had a plan B thus far, what possesses you to think he would or could now?
Good lord. Plan B. I should be laughing if I wasn’t so flippin’ scared of these nutcases.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmGDumbya? Churchill? LOL
He is more like a composite of Peter Sellers’ characters from Dr. Strangelove — the mad Strangelove himself and Merkin Muffley, the incompetent president.
One of GDumbya’s biggest flaws is his total lack of self-awareness. His grandiosity has gotten him and the rest of the country in deep doo-doo.
Too bad he wasn’t like the Slim Pickens character from Dr. Strangelove and didn’t just ride a bomb to ground during the “Shock and Awe” campaign. We’d all be better off if that were the case.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmHe, he Geogie, the twins will be grandmothers and people still won’t appreciate you. Get used to it.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmIs Hersh talking about a coup to overthrow Amajinadad or Bush? Cuz I’m down with overthrowing Bush, but the Iranians will have to take care of their own crazy president.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmI liked that one. It will take 20 or 30 years to appreciate what Bush has done. COME ON! We’re appreciating it now. Also for the love of God would someone post something in this poor guys forum.
http://beforeyougopostal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmYes, it’s the president’s job to have a plan B, except this administration has never had a plan B for anything. That’s the problem.
GDumbya hasn’t ever even had a Plan A for Chrissake!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmwho has written the definitive book on GWB and his mental acuity? One person that knows him says he has a vocational intelligence, quite poor on concepts.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmdoes he understand what his handlers tell him about some of this stuff? does he understand they are handling him?
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ace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
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Since they were totally uninvolved in the first one - or the subsequent Anthrax Attacks (neither of which have been SOLVED), what’s your point?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:31 pmRoger-roger
Here’s your big chance to do something about those pesky Iranians! You can reach a local recruiter here…
555-555-1234
Go spend some time in Pharaoh’s army if you are so interested in helping.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:31 pmSince they were totally uninvolved in the first one - or the subsequent Anthrax Attacks (neither of which have been SOLVED), what’s your point?
Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmremember9/11, the “they you refere to must be bush and cheney…By design or neglect they allowed Saudi Arabia (16) to accomplish that little deed..To think any diffrent mean’s you are not well educated on the evil of the bush/cheney regime..
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmReading the headline right after lunch was unsettling.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAs for Darth Dicky Cheney just dreaming of killing people gets him hard.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmWhy are you advocating that we bomb the Georgie and Dick?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmPlan B is to make plan A work. Right?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:34 pmace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
I don’t know about that. I still think Cheney will still set up another 9/11. It’s his MO. Actually, Cheney will need another false flag in order to get the public behind his nuking Syria, er I mean Jordan, umm I really mean Iran. oh what the hell, he’ll just nuke all of em!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmEvery time I think the President can’t be any loonier, he goes and tops himself yet again. War on one front? Not enough! War on two fronts? Still not good enough. War on three fronts, And first use of nucyoular weapons! Man, there’s a legacy for all time. Obviously the middle east is Way too calm, let’s go in there and really stir things up. And the fallout from the weapons will make sure we stay popular for decades to come! The Deciderer is also the Mayor for Life of Crazy Town!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmTess, that YouTube video on the site you posted is great. It applies to us as much as OZ.
Everyone should look at that!
Allow me to repost. Thanks, Tess!!
http://beforeyougopostal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41
WATCH IT!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWhy are you advocating that we bomb the Georgie and Dick?
Yeah, right. Whatever. If believing in a conspiracy floats your boat, go ahead and knock yourself out. Meanwhile the rest of us will keep things real.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWell, isn’t this appropriate: My copy of Glenn Greenwald’s book, A Tragic Legacy, just arrived from Amazon. According to the jacket copy, Greenwald “examines the Bush presidency and its long-term effect on the nation.”
Apparently, I’ve been too cheerful lately and needed something to depress myself, so I pre-ordered the book awhile ago. Need to go home, pour a drink, put on some Leonard Cohen, and crack the book. Fortunately, I only have an electric oven.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pm“And Cheney keeps on saying to the young briefing officers, ‘Thank you son, I don’t buy that.”
This is VERY similar to their pre-Iraq approach. CIA analysts brought them evidence on NO WMD, and the response was “Wrong Answer”.
Put these crimidals in Leavenworth NOW!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pm#22 I never said we should use Nukes. I merely said we need other plans outside of diplomacy. If talking fails, we either bomb or invade full scale. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to wait until they have a bomb. That would be nuts.
#41 I am retired and a vet of the first gulf war. I served my country Have you?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmI don’t know about that. I still think Cheney will still set up another 9/11.
I can’t believe it! You’re already a third nut who actually believes in a conspiracy. Jeez. And I thought YOU were the reality based community.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmthe children of the war profiteers will appreciate this…
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmthat’s for sure…
well, unless a crash wipes their income out…
…
Give me a friggin’ break dumb a$$.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2007/ 03/ 04/ AR2007030401321.html
This administartion DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN B FOR ANYTHING.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:38 pm#
Since they were totally uninvolved in the first one - or the subsequent Anthrax Attacks (neither of which have been SOLVED), what’s your point?
Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Provide facts and links to prove your contentions. You are completely wrong - and you have virtually no proof to substantiate your claims.
NONE.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI can’t believe it! You’re already a third nut who actually believes in a conspiracy. Jeez. And I thought YOU were the reality based community.
Comment by remember911
WE are not monolithic. You are quite likely to find a number of differing opinions here.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmChurchill!? Bush likes to compare himself to Churchill!!??
I thought it was a stretch when he compared himself to Truman, or his phony “war on terror” to World War II, but now he has taken his delusion to a whole new level.
Now I know this man needs some serious professional help. (Wasn’t it Hussein who was supposed to be the madman who put the world in grave danger?)
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmace: What I say is a well known fact. It is you who make extraordinary claims and therefore it is you who have to provide extraordinary proof.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYeah, after posting your garbage here for years and never ever mentioning you are a vet makes it a little hard to swallow. That and the fact that you are 100% wrong about anything related to the military.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmUh. What? Islamists brought down WTC …
Yes, Islamists almost entirely from Saudi Arabia.
When do we start bombing Saudi Arabia?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pm.
Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Comment by remember911
Second wave waged chemical warfare? What are you talking about. And it wasn’t Iraqis or Iranians that brought down the WTC. You do know that, right? Or do you think we should just bomb every country that has any muslims?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pmOT, but impotant
Supreme Court Overrules School Desegregation Plans
Why is this country continuing to move backward?
Disgraceful.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pmYes, Islamists almost entirely from Saudi Arabia.
Born in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:42 pm“Wet Dream Is Hitting Iran”? So we now have to visualize Cheney being horney and hitting his woody on Iran? And picture Bush with nocturnal sexual desires for more war? Damn and you GOPers thought Bill Clinton getting BJs was sick.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#
ace: What I say is a well known fact. It is you who make extraordinary claims and therefore it is you who have to provide extraordinary proof.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
If it’s so damn well know, then you should be able to provide credible links - to Wikipedia or mainstream newspapers which definitively support your outrageous position.
Which trial results are you referring to that determined the guilt of those responsible for 9/11 and the anthrax attacks?
According to our own FBI, Bin Laden is NOT WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH 9/ - and they refuse to authenticate the purported “Confession Take” that you clearly drank like so much Kool-Aid
June 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmThe Shrub even changed his name to throw people off….from Guckert to Gannon. Does he really believe that people aren’t “onto” him?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmAce at #6
Extremely well said. A thoughtful, well reasoned analysis of why unleashing a nuclear bomb will be catastrophic for Iran. I would like to add that a nuclear strike against Iran would most likely contaminate Iran’s drinking supply, possibly killing upwards of 500,000 Iranians. I had just finished watching Sir! No Sir! on DVD, an incredibly moving and powerful look at the GI Movement during the Vietnam War, and was struck how in Iraq and now with Iran the United States has not learned the lessons of Vietnam by being so eager to unleash bombs and terror against other countries for reasons that, like Vietnam, have been based upon lies.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmace: What I say is a well known fact. It is you who make extraordinary claims and therefore it is you who have to provide extraordinary proof.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Actually it is you who is making extraordinary claims. There is no proof of your assertations and they are scientifically impossible.
One question I have for you; If it was islamic extremists who were behind the anthrax attacks, then why were the two attacks aimed at two members who were voting AGAINST the Patriot Act I? And why did the Islamics use anthrax that was from a US lab?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmNow I wonder whom Jeffy Lube was servicing?
A gentleman never kisses and tells.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pm#71 Isn’t that the most repulsive of mental images? I’m ready to vomit here just imagining either of these two eunichs finding their woodies no less doing what Hersch suggests….utterly and totally repulsive to imagine as a visual.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pmNeed to go home, pour a drink, put on some Leonard Cohen, and crack the book. Fortunately, I only have an electric oven.
Comment by gummitch
I don’t think “a drink” is going to be enough then, what with the electric oven. Better bring the bottle with you.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pm#75: Well, duh. They hate us all.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pm#64 Please search Think progress. I have repeatably talked about my service. I even went so far as to give TP the area I was based out of and my position number. Do a little research on this site before opening your mouth please.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:46 pm“Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:33 pm”
So you mean that Arabs got into the buildings and planted explosives????
Your saying that Arabs got into Ft. Dicks, and stole Anthrax from there and sent it out through the mail (largely only to Democrates which opposed the President)????
I hope your not suggesting this????
June 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmIt is the president’s job to have a plan B. We all hope that we can talk Iran down from their nuke ambitions. What happens if that fails to prduce any fruit in the next 6 months? We have few options left outside of a bombing campaign. Outside of bombing, I guess we could go with full scale war, but bombing seems like a better step to up the pressure on the Terrorists running Iran.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Of course, a plan B would be nice. But think about it Rx2: The same dismal performance by Bushco will simply be taken to another country (Iran). This is the ‘gang that cou;dn’t shoot straight, and you want them invading or bombing another soverign nation? The managers of the Iraq war are complete failures and you want them to turn their pathetic skills on another country? The wrong leaders brought the US into the wrong war, at the wrong time, for all of the wrong reasons. If our brave soldiers didn’t have imbeciles like Rumsfeld, cheney, bush, rice, making their decisions, then maybe the invasion of iraq would have been won. The same group of losers are now going to start ‘getting it right’? No way. The neocons are on the wrong side of history. thoughtful people already know this, do you?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmBorn in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Now you add Iraqi to it huh? outragous! You just lost all credibility.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmPresident Bush himself said that Saddam Huisein wasn’t behing the 9/11 attacks! Are you calling our President Bush a Liar??
Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
Comment by remember911
Hahahaha, noticed how he named the two countries already occupied by the US? What about Jordan, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan? OH,,,no, just the ones that my masters told me to hate. Next one, Iran.
Yes, we are the loonies.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmFortunately, I only have an electric oven.
Comment by gummitch
Thank goodness…..
Maybe you can take a little break with My Pet Goat?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmBorn in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization.
Iraqi? Oh, you mean since 2003. But not in 2001, and still not Iranian.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pm.
See, they just make sh!t up as they go. No talking any sense with these people. They live in la la land.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmveritas > the image of it is about to make me hurl chunks. I want Clinton back with silly BJs from Monica.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmAHAHAHAHAHA!
A success. Got ace unhinged and now he’s posting his copy-paste screeds again.
What a sad little creature. What a sad life it must be to think that he’s onto some great secret that no-one else can see and just by posting here he can convince other people to believe in his delusions.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmAbout remembering 911, where is Bin Laden? The start of the domino effect war was to capture him, remember? I actually supported that idea. I also believe that OBL was allowed to escape so he’d be the monster in the closet. The drumbeat of this war was justice for 9/11. It turned into fear and now its war for the sake of war. I wanted justice after 9/11. This war isn’t bringing justice. Using thermonuclear weapons will sew the wind, and we will reap the whirlwind.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmThe Bush administration didn’t even list Iraq as a state supporter of terrorism until well after 9/11.
But I think our troll was trying to pull a fast one, as in “they’re in Iraq NOW.” It was funny when the WSJ pulled that, but it’s an old joke now.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pm.
AHAHAHAHAHA!
A success. Got ace unhinged and now he’s posting his copy-paste screeds again.
What a sad little creature. What a sad life it must be to think that he’s onto some great secret that no-one else can see and just by posting here he can convince other people to believe in his delusions.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Pretty funny!!!
But you are right, it is sad.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:50 pmYes ace. Show us your insanity. Keep on posting those screeds.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:50 pm#
AHAHAHAHAHA!
A success. Got ace unhinged and now he’s posting his copy-paste screeds again.
What a sad little creature. What a sad life it must be to think that he’s onto some great secret that no-one else can see and just by posting here he can convince other people to believe in his delusions.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
#
We’re all still waiting for those 2 links that you were going to post that definitively place the blame for 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks on Iran.
You did say they were a threat to do it to us again, didn’t you?
PROVE IT.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmace, easy on the length of posts, please?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmChurchill!? Bush likes to compare himself to Churchill!!??
I thought it was a stretch when he compared himself to Truman, or his phony “war on terror†to World War II, but now he has taken his delusion to a whole new level.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Hey, I like to compare myself to Heidi Klum why shouldn’t Bush go for the gold. If you’re 5′1″, compare yourself to a super model. If you’re the worst president of the US ever, well you might as well dream big. Wat fun are small delusions?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWow. We had a good flame war going and then Ace ruined it with his long posts. Come on Ace, we aren’t going to read essays here. Keep em short and sweet!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI having been posting here for years and so have you and you have never mentioned it. Where were you posted, what unit and what was you MOS.
4/5 Field Artillery Fort Riley KS, Big Red One First Infantry Div. Mechanized.
13 Foxtrot.
Only takes a second to do.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pmYet, PIP and remember911 (sic!!) havent shown ANYTHING.
Sad. This the state of our trolls, people. EMPTINESS.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pmWe’re all still waiting for those 2 links that you were going to post that definitively place the blame for 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks on Iran.
I’ve never said anything like that. As I said, it’s your burden of proof you nutso.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pmBorn in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
Sure CAN.
The Bin Ladens are TERRORISTS, and their LONGTIME-FRIENDS
The Bushes are TERRORISTS.
Sins of the father HAVE BECOME the sins of the sons…
June 28th, 2007 at 4:53 pmSin’s of the father.? Now that’s pretty funny since it was the fund’s of the Saudi prince and princess that supported those 16…Where the hell have you and your learning skill’s been in the last 7 year’s..Oh and by the war, you are now among the 26% in your thinking…More Kool aid.?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:53 pmNo remember911. It is not their burdon of proof. It is yours.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmYes, and in20 or 30 years, dartboards will have his smirking mug as it’s centerpiece “bullseye”.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmConspiracy = more than one person
Theory = idea
Conspiracy Theory = more then one person with the same idea.
There is absolutely nothing derogatory about the term “conspiracy theory.”
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWhy is this country continuing to move backward?
Disgraceful.
Comment by trueblue
Hey trueblue, how’s the baby? On the bed again?
Oh yeah, we’re moving backwards and Georgie’s not going to stop until we hit the Dark Ages. That guy’s working faster than a time machine.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmwith what army??? Dems may be afraid to defund the Iraq conflict but they won’t fund another illegitimate…
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWho’s talking about this? Hardly anyone. I’d bet my house that we won’t see 2008 elections because this directive will come into play.
WHoooooooooooooooooooo….sheeyowza! Whatever youre smokin’, pass it over.
Ill take that bet right now, in fact Ill even throw in my car, snowmobile and FJR.
Gawd, I thought you people were crazy at lunchtime..what do eat, mushrooms?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI wish Bush a very long life. I want him to experience history’s ever harsher judgment of his presidency. In 20 years he will be a pariah.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmYes ace, please dumb it down for these morons.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#110: Yeah, keep on thinking like that. You’re in a good company of the UFO-nut crowd. Believe in insanity by default and demand proof for reality. You’re such sad, twisted little men and women.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:56 pm#117 Since Bush is already the “global pariah”, does another two decades make him an “older global pariah”??
June 28th, 2007 at 4:57 pm#
We’re all still waiting for those 2 links that you were going to post that definitively place the blame for 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks on Iran.
I’ve never said anything like that. As I said, it’s your burden of proof you nutso.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
You were the one who advocated an unprovoked nuclear offensive strike against Iran so that they would be incapable of striking us again with another 9/11 or anthrax attack.
That is the most ignorant statement that could be made.
You can’t provide a single link to tie Iran to ANY aggression against the US with respect to either of those two events.
YOU GOT NOTHIN’!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:57 pmCome on Roger_Roger. Why is it taking you so long to rattle off something that should be on the tip of your tongue?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmChurchill?
So I guess Chimpy is planning on spending the rest of his presidency drunk and trying to persuade the ANZACs to invade “the soft underbelly of Europe” then?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmI always read ace’s posts with an open mind. I don’t ruminate on it, but just file it away.
I understand if the trolls don’t have enough room for any more than one file.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmEver heard of the Bohemian Grove?
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus Christ.
The inmates are running the asylum now.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYou insightful paranoids do realize that any plan for bombing Iran is simply being pulled from the files and dusted off before being updated, dont you?
The military has plans for just about every possible contingency, even ones that seem impossible. War with Tibet, its in there. Invading Mauritius, in there too. Amphibious attack against Switzerland, hell thats probably in there too just to make sure all the bases have been covered.
The plan for attacking Iran was in the files during Clinton’s and Bush’s and Reagan’s and Carter’s and Ford’s time as well. Do you peeps have any military expertise whatsoever?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pm#110: Yeah, keep on thinking like that. You’re in a good company of the UFO-nut crowd. Believe in insanity by default and demand proof for reality. You’re such sad, twisted little men and women.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
So what you are saying is that if we don’t believe a statement by a nutcase without proof, then we are a UFO nut croud?? Get real. It is you that see’s boogie men all around you.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYou’re such sad, twisted little men and women.
Comment by remember911
HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Nothing…again.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmBut they do that. Ever heard of the Bohemian Grove?
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Somehow the foregoing ended up being posted with my name attached. This was not my posting - though I wish it had been.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmCome on Roger_Roger. Why is it taking you so long to rattle off something that should be on the tip of your tongue?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Roger Rabbit must be doing some planning using his Risk board again or perhaps he’s doing some calisthenics before signing on. He’s keen to be in the front rank as the tanks roll into Tehran, bayonetting every turban he sees.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThat’s the best you can do? No wonder you people are such a disgrace.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Typical Lefty Arrogance.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:02 pmDo you peeps have any military expertise whatsoever?
Comment by Man
No, just Rambo, Bush and you.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:03 pmBut they do that. Ever heard of the Bohemian Grove?
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Somehow the foregoing ended up being posted with my name attached. This was not my posting - though I wish it had been.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
WHAT???
Post #126 wasn’t you… but you wish it had been…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:03 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — June 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Typical Lefty Arrogance.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
yeah Spudge_Boy! How dare you ask for proof of an outlandish statement! You should be like the good kool-aid drinkers and accept these outlandish claims as they are spoken!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:04 pmhe’s doing some calisthenics before signing on. He’s keen to be in the front rank as the tanks roll into Tehran, bayonetting every turban he sees.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
That was so funny!!! Thanks.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:04 pmPost #126 wasn’t you… but you wish it had been…
It just keeps on getting better, doesn’t it.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:05 pmComment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Pretty funny!!!
But you are right, it is sad.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
CT, Mr. P, why don’t you two get a room?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:05 pmNo shrapnel, no shredding, no ripping, sheared off.
Comment by Man
And no body parts!!! They evaporated!!!
Yeah, I can swallow that. /sarc
June 28th, 2007 at 5:06 pmNo, just Rambo, Bush and you.
So by default youre admitting that you didnt know that hundreds of such attack-plans exist, that Bush didnt suddenly sit down and demand one be created? Thankyou. (audience cheers)
June 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThe saddest thing is that Hersh is telling the truth, so we can laugh but WWIII is about to begin. The day you turn on the news, and hear Bush ordered the bombing of Iran, then expect the worst to begin everywhere.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pmLots of flame, lots of fun, I love this site, best way to spend work time ever!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:08 pmBut seriously, do the libs on this site think Iran is NOT a threat? That we can allow them to develop nukes and dominate the Middle East? I kinda like driving. I also sense a fair amount of Israel-hate on this site - are the libs here willing to watch “Holocaust: The Sequel”? I tend to take people at their word when they say they want to “wipe Israel off the map.”
Yes, and in20 or 30 years, dartboards will have his smirking mug as it’s centerpiece “bullseyeâ€.
Comment by veritas
Hah, mine already does, well it will. But first I need a dartboard, and then a picture … oh you win veritas, I got the idea from you.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pmAnd no body parts!!! They evaporated!!!
Uh…do lamp-posts being sheared off normally create bodies?
Yeah, I can swallow that. /sarc
Oh what I could and would say to this if I were a lib, but Ill be nice.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pmace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Hmm, maybe Ahmadinejad will conclude that he is in a hurry to launch a pre-emptive attack on America before the Americans conclude that they have to launch a pre-emptive attack before Iran can launch a pre-emptive strike on America, because America is in a hurry to launch a preemptive strike on Iran…..
“Guns of August” - Barbara Tuchmann - an understanding of history might prevent furture embarrassment.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:10 pmGawd, I thought you people were crazy at lunchtime..what do eat, mushrooms?
Comment by Man
We eat TROLLS, and they never see us coming.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:11 pmSo by default youre admitting that you didnt know that hundreds of such attack-plans exist, that Bush didnt suddenly sit down and demand one be created? Thankyou. (audience cheers)
Comment by Man
Just lets take a look at this site.
Answer: no. The US have plans to attack (murder the president, organize a coup, plan a bombing, etc.) almost any country in the world. The thing is to see which attack results cheaper and which ones gives more profits.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:11 pmKeltoi > why do you continue to accept the Bush Regime lies as fact? Iran does not have the ability to attack the US, nor to destroy Israel either. Most of us here want to have long lives and not cut short by nuclear war.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:11 pm“Comment by Keltoi — June 28, 2007 @ 5:08 pm”
When a country attacks another and engages another to take it’s land, then it DESERVES what it gets…..
Isreal has been attacking it’s neighbors for years and taking their land……
As far as Iran….. It “might” be a threat, but not to the extent that requires MILITARY action in any way, shape, or form…….
They are members of the NPT, yet we want to try and dictate to them when Bush just gave Nuclear technology to a country that is NOT part of the NPT and REFUSED to join prior to obtaining the information????
June 28th, 2007 at 5:12 pmare the libs here willing to watch “Holocaust: The Sequelâ€? I tend to take people at their word when they say they want to “wipe Israel off the map.â€
Comment by Keltoi — June 28, 2007 @
The sequel to the holocaust is already in progress - in Iraq.
Guess who’s playing the part of the Nazis, and who the instigators are behind the scenes?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:13 pmYou’re such sad, twisted little men and women.
Comment by remember911
And yet … you’re here. Don’t let us keep you oh ignorant one. Run along now, the grownups are talking.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pm“Oh what I could and would say to this if I were a lib, but Ill be nice.
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 5:09 pm”
You must be, because a Repub would have shot out the most hateful and vulgar statement he could have…..
If you don’t think so, then I refer you to Olilly and Man Coulter…
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmUh…do lamp-posts being sheared off normally create bodies?
I think I was adding something to your comment.
but Ill be nice.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmComment by Man
Cuz you know I couldnt bear another sexual joke…that doesnt really happen among men. /sarc again
You have to understand, attacking Iran would be a bad war because they are muslims and we dont have a right to interfere with them and the war would only be about oil anyway.
You also have to understand, attacking Iraq created a bad war because they are muslims and we dont have a right to interfere with them and the war was only be about oil anyway.
Additionally you have to understand, attacking Afghanistan was a ba..uh…it was about oi…er…um..
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI think I was adding something to your comment.
Ok then, I guess. Do a rosie and google ‘airplane wings’.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:16 pm“Additionally you have to understand, attacking Afghanistan was a ba..uh…it was about oi…er…um..
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 5:14 pm”
So by this statement are you trying to say that Afganistan was NOT about oil?
I’ll await your answer…
June 28th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThe sequel to the holocaust is already in progress - in Iraq.
Guess who’s playing the part of the Nazis, and who the instigators are behind the scenes?
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
That kinda trivializes the ACTUAl Holocaust a tad, don’t you think?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:17 pmDo a rosie and google ‘airplane wings’.
Comment by Man
I dont understand that statement. But I can explain you why airplanes fly, if you want.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:18 pmSomehow the foregoing ended up being posted with my name attached. This was not my posting - though I wish it had been.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
WHAT???
Post #126 wasn’t you… but you wish it had been…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
So I guess PIPpy Shortpecker is namejacking you ace, since he thinks it’s so amusing.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:18 pmThat kinda trivializes the ACTUAl Holocaust a tad, don’t you think?
Comment by Keltoi
I agree. Lets wait until 6 million Iraqis are dead in order to get serious about it.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:19 pmAll we here is how low President Bush’s approval ratings are! Why is there little reporting of the fact that the approval ratings of congress are lower than his? While I do not like W, I crossed party lines for two of the fewest times ever to vote for a dem, I can hardly see how this congress has done anything! Nancy Pelosi’s days are numbered…we can’t vote for W any longer, but Pelosi has accomplished NOTHING and will be up for re-election one day. Unfortunately, not soon enough!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:19 pmYou must be, because a Repub would have shot out the most hateful and vulgar statement he could have…..
Ill remember that next time Im shopping with the Reverend’s Jackson and Sharpton in “hymie town” as we go looking for a reputable “diamond merchant”.
Was Coulter ever a presidential nominee? No? Huh.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:20 pmThat kinda trivializes the ACTUAl Holocaust a tad, don’t you think?
Comment by Keltoi — June 28, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Maybe in your mind, but no one else’s.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:21 pmSide note . . . With regard to the 2004 elections, the decider crowed about how great it was that this country was able to carry on elections in “a time of war.” WTF, do you think he’d cancel presidential elections if we were in a cataclysmic “time of war?” Only the mind of the decider knows.
God, you’ve got a direct line to this loon. Help us all.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:21 pmFor 1500 years these barbarians have been on a long and bloody mission to rid the world of those that are not like then. They have no tolerance for any non-muslim, woman (other than to create more homicide bombers) or anything else that is not like them. They have tried and tried again - and they are dead set on turning the US into MadMax land. So get up off your asses, stop listening to the crap - Paris Hilton, Rosie and the rest of the pop culture idiots and fight back. Otherwise, you will be getting your head litterally handed to you some day.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:21 pmKeltoi > why do you continue to accept the Bush Regime lies as fact? Iran does not have the ability to attack the US, nor to destroy Israel either. Most of us here want to have long lives and not cut short by nuclear war.
Comment by Jay Randal — June 28, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Here’s to that! But I am not accepting “the Bush Regimes” lie as fact - Iran has been our sworn enemy for a long time. Are you saying Iran ISN’T helping our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan? It is really not possible for either of us to KNOW this, but why would you assume they weren’t just because Bush said they were?
I would like to WIN the war we’re in. Iran is the nexus of Islamo-Fascism. I feel like it is 1944, D-Day was a success but we are refusing to cross the Rhine.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:22 pmComment by Keltoi — June 28, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
But seriously, do the libs on this site think Iran is NOT a threat? That we can allow them to develop nukes and dominate the Middle East?
1945 America develops nukes
1953 America overthrows popular elected government of Iran and together with Saudi Arabian allies dominated the Middle East
1953 - 1978 Iran run as a fascist police state by the Shah and the SAVAK - America rightly deserves the blame of the Iranians
I kinda like driving. I also sense a fair amount of Israel-hate on this site - are the libs here willing to watch “Holocaust: The Sequel�
Israel-hate? Prove it. You’ll see some crypto trolls posting false flag antisemitism from time to time, but don’t mistake criticism of Israeli policy in Palestine and beyond for ‘anti-semtism’ - that’s sloppy thinking on your part - read something other than your spoon-fed American media.
I tend to take people at their word when they say they want to “wipe Israel off the map.†Sure, but the irony of your so-called quote here is that Ahmadinejad didn’t say that.
Read some Juan Cole and you’ll see why. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17925.htm
“Ahmadinejad did not use that phrase in Persian. He quoted an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini calling for ‘this occupation regime over Jerusalem” to “vanish from the page of time.’ Calling for a regime to vanish is not the same as calling for people to be killed. Ahmadinejad has not to my knowledge called for anyone to be killed.”
and this:
“If Ahmadinejad is a genocidal maniac who just wants to kill Jews, then why are there 20,000 Jews in Iran with a member of parliament in Tehran? Couldn’t he start at home if that was what he is really about? ”
Ahmadinejad shouldn’t get a free pass on what he did say - meaning regime change in Palestine which since he doesn’t recognize Israel he considers all of Palestine together. And certainly is Holocaust denial is part of an odious campaign to influence Iranian public opinion. But neither then should you just take what someone mistranslated and go off parrotting the talking point. So yeah, take him at his word, when you’ve accurately read what he has actually said there skippy.
Ahmadinejad has his own troubles besides: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ rtrs/ 20070627/ tpl-uk-iran-gasoline-rationing-9562ed3.html
June 28th, 2007 at 5:22 pmAce is fine just how he is.
Heh. Drop “fine” and you’ve got it.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pmNAZIs… Iraq… neoCons… Bush…
You forgot the Joooooos who are ultimately responsible for everything from 911 to your toilet overflowing.
I have it on good information that there are Jooos all around us! Stand ready!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pm