Hersh: ‘Bush And Cheney’s Wet Dream Is Hitting Iran’
Hersh: ‘Bush And Cheney’s Wet Dream Is Hitting Iran’
In February, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh wrote a piece in The New Yorker revealing that the Bush administration was setting its sights heavily on Iran, planning for a “possible bombing attack“:
Still, the Pentagon is continuing intensive planning for a possible bombing attack on Iran, a process that began last year, at the direction of the President. In recent months, the former intelligence official told me, a special planning group has been established in the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, charged with creating a contingency bombing plan for Iran that can be implemented, upon orders from the President, within twenty-four hours.
On Tuesday, Hersh spoke more on the Bush administration’s focus on Iran at the Campus Progress National Conference. He said that President Bush and Vice President Cheney are ignoring the actual intelligence on Iran. The “intelligence community keeps on saying, ‘There’s no bomb there.’ And Cheney keeps on saying to the young briefing officers, ‘Thank you son, I don’t buy that.’” Hersh added, “George Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s wet dream is hitting Iran.” Watch it:
Hersh also stated that Bush likes to compare himself to Winston Churchill. Sources close to the President have heard him “say things like, ‘It’ll be 20 years before they appreciate me. … Yes, I may be at 30 percent in the polls, but in 20 or 30 years, they’ll appreciate what I’ve done.’”
UPDATE: The video has been added.
UPDATE II: Check out the Campus Progress Blog for more updates from the conference.
Transcript:
HERSH: He also believes — and this I know from people — You know, one of the reasons I’m a good reporter is I have a lot of access to people that don’t talk otherwise. So I have over the years developed people that I talk to, and people have heard him say things like, “It’ll be 20 years before they appreciate me.”
He talks a lot about Winston Churchill. Churchill ran — he’s the guy who pulled England up during World War II. You’ve all read about him. But after the war — he was a Tory — a Conservative…everybody came home from the wars, scared to death about jobs, and they voted Labor. He was — Churchill was kicked out of office in ‘46. And that was an amazing thing because he had been such a hero to the English people. He got back in in ‘52 and then became a hero again.
Bush sees himself as somebody — that “yes, I may be at 30 percent in the polls, but in 20 or 30 years, they’ll appreciate what I’ve done.” And what they believe, he and Cheney — and I just know this in a first-hand way, I know what they’ve said in a first-hand way — they believe that whether Iran has a bomb or not — and there’s no evidence Iran does and it’s plenty of time and Iran may have all sorts of ambitions. And if I were in Iran, I’d be after what they say, all the threats they make.
Anyway, Iran is nowhere near a bomb, despite what you’ve heard. They’re years and years away and would stop tomorrow if you gave them a peace guarantee. They tried to do this in ‘03, as you remember. Anyway, they believe — the intelligence community keeps on saying, “There’s no bomb there.” And Cheney keeps on saying to the young briefing officers, “Thank you son, I don’t buy that,” in that nice pleasant tone.
And they believe that whether Iran has a bomb now or not, they can get one from Pakistan, from the Russian black market, and Nasrallah – the Hezbollah terrorist group — is embedded in America, even though there’s no evidence of that. They would be capable of getting a bomb smuggled into New York or Washington or wherever.
And so, what they think they’re doing — and you can’t use the word “delusional,” it’s actually in the DSM, it’s a medical term — wacky. And that’s a fair word. They believe they are protecting us from them. It’s not just keeping them from our shores, it’s protecting us from a nuclear holocaust. They really believe that — they don’t want to say so — they believe it. They’re not going to be persuaded otherwise.
And that’s why people like me, I’m going to get up in the morning — I’ve got a cold, so I might not have thought, but usually I have the thought that there are 554 days, that’s the bad news, the good news is I’m up today, that’s another day less. That’s about it. These guys are scary as hell.
QUESTION: In dealing with Iran, the U.S. finds itself handicapped at the negotiating table due to a lack of diplomatic dialogue between the countries for so long. What must America do, and who must do it, and who must it work with to diffuse tensions without resorting to military force?
HERSH: Well, you’ve got to have a coup to overthrow this guy. He’s not going to talk to Iranians. I don’t think he is no matter what, and that’s terrifying because the Iranians are more than willing to talk. America is a pretty powerful enemy, and I’ve been writing about this for two years in the New Yorker, and initially, everybody thought it was loony. It’s less loony now. I don’t know how to put it — George Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s wet dream is hitting Iran. Maybe I should rephrase that.
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Churchill? Bush is really not much of a Republican at all – more like a retarded Christian AA version of Woodrow Wilson.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:05 pm“It’ll be 20 years before they appreciate me”
Ohhh, for the days when humans lived on the surface
June 28th, 2007 at 4:07 pmI hope all republicans consistently refer to the need to attack Iran in every campaign speech.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:09 pmGeorge W. Bush, President of the Future!
What a delusional tool.
-GSD
June 28th, 2007 at 4:10 pmHah! Bush asked tough questions by an army audience today! Too funny. Soon all his speeches will be delived to his staff in the west pawn of the White House.
W – “Okay. Whos got a question? You there… Andy Card.”
A – “Sir, are you tired-”
W – “Like that pink shirt guy! That supposed to mean something?”
(laughs)
A – “Uh, no sir. Are you tired of the Obstructionism from Congress.”
W – “That’s a good question Andy…”
June 28th, 2007 at 4:11 pmSo let’s look at what the human costs of dropping a tactical nuclear weapon on Iran might entail.
They are astronomical.
“The number of deaths could exceed a million, and the number of people with increased cancer risks could exceed 10 million,” according to a backgrounder by the Union of Concerned Scientists from May 2005.
The National Academy of Sciences studied these earth-penetrating nuclear weapons last year. They could “kill up to a million people or more if used in heavily populated areas,” concluded the report, which was sponsored by the U.S. Department of Defense.
Physicians for Social Responsibility examined the risks of a more advanced buster-bunker weapon, and it eerily tabulated the toll from an attack on the underground nuclear facility in Esfahan, Iran. “Three million people would be killed by radiation within two weeks of the explosion, and 35 million people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India, would be exposed to increased levels of cancer-causing radiation,” according to a summary of that study in the backgrounder by the Union of Concerned Scientists.
Even if these estimates are off by a factor of two or three, I think we have unquestionably entered genocidal territory. We can only pray that these scientists are profoundly in error. (A much lower estimate is provided by the Oxford Research Group: up to 10,000 immediate deaths, although their report also predicts a much broader and protracted regional war to follow. That would obviously lead to many additional casualties.)
And please remember the overwhelmingly critical fact: we are talking about a threat — if it is one at all — that still lies five or ten years in the future. All these deaths, whatever their number, would result from an attack predicated on a potential threat that does not exist at present, or that will exist in the near future. Many Americans might still look to our “good intentions” and our “exceptionalism” to save them from identifying the savage and inhuman barbarism that the United States would then embody — but much of the rest of the world would not be forgiving or delusional on the required scale. There can never be any kind of forgiveness, even in the smallest degree, for this kind of act.
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/04/morality-humanity-and-civilization.html
June 28th, 2007 at 4:11 pmyeah, it will be twenty or thirty year before America and world fully appreciate the extent to which this administration was a complete, utter, unmitigated failure.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:11 pmIt appears that MEMRI altered the original speech given by Iran’s President:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm
An honest debate requires honest reporting.
Why did MEMRI alter his quote?
For detailed studies of the fabrications of groups like CAMERA and MEMRI, visit:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html This is must reading about MEMRI and its “credibility”
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1869.shtml
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article445.shtml
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article7.shtml
http://www.abunimah.org/features/020815memri.html
http://electronicintifada.net/features/mediaonmedia/20010821camera.html
http://www.abunimah.org/features/000403camera.html
http://santacruz.indymedia.org/feature/display/13401/index.php
Why does Meyrav Wurmser oversee such distortions, to the benefit of Israel?
Why does the western media parrot her lies verbatim?
http://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/OPED/12-2005/Article-20051227-6d024106-c0a8-10ed-00d8-7731782f8f9d/story.html
David Wurmser:
What do Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and David Wurmser have in common? We know that they’re in the cabal of neocons, who want to destroy the Middle East in order to benefit Israel. But what they specifically have in common, after the fall of Iraq, is their hostility toward Syria
“The CDI’s Ledeen, Amitay and Sobhani were featured speakers at a May 2003 forum on “the future of Iran’ sponsored by AEI, the Hudson Institute and the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. The forum, chaired by the Hudson Institute’s Meyrav Wurmser, the Israeli-born wife of David Wurmser (he serves as Cheney’s leading expert on Iran and Syria), included a presentation by Un Lubrani of Israel’s Ministry of Defense.
Summarizing the sentiment of neoconservative ideologues and strategists, Meyrav Wurmser said: “Our fight against Iraq was only a battle in a long war. It would be ill-conceived to think we can deal with Iraq alone. We must move on, and faster.”
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Central_Asia_watch/Is_Iran_Next.html
June 28th, 2007 at 4:12 pmFrankly, Churchill was appreciated from the time that he took command of the British effort during WWII. I do not think that any opinion polls would have shown the same pathetic support that Il Duce has in this country. Churchill lost out politically after WWII, however, it had little to do with a lack of support for how he led the British in the war.
One can look at Churchill’s ability to unite a people (as opposed to Bush the Divider), create a sense of shared sacrifice (as opposed to the Bush feel good tax cuts for the rich during a war), and consider diverse opinions and quickly adapt to new situations or reverse a mistaken decision with a deep understanding of why his intellectual depth and curiosity marked him as a great leader. Bush – A FOOL.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:14 pmImpeach this SOB before he brings on Armegeddon! He’s headed for personal self-destruction and desires to destroy the entire planet on his way down.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWow. That tape is absolutely chilling. Chilling.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:17 pmbush will not live 20 or 30 years from now.
He will be DEAD … just like the wicked witch from the Wizard of Oz.
And just like the witch, that’s how American will remember bush.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI don’t want to know about Bush’s wet dreams.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:18 pm#5 Just wondering if Bush had his bomber jacket on today, too? What a deluded fool he’s become. His credibility rating with the people is next to zero and he still goes on ranting as though he doesn’t get it. Obviously, this is a hallmark of serious psychopatholgoy, as we’re all getting to witness with each passing day and debacle he’s clearly in the middle of.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:18 pmA conservative makes the case for impeaching Cheney:
June 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pmhttp://slate.com/id/2169292
This photo is too comical – Bush and Cheney look like two inmates from a psycho ward giving each other the “high five” while the rest of the world view them as twisted monsters. Too deluded.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pmOh please,
It is the president’s job to have a plan B. We all hope that we can talk Iran down from their nuke ambitions. What happens if that fails to prduce any fruit in the next 6 months? We have few options left outside of a bombing campaign. Outside of bombing, I guess we could go with full scale war, but bombing seems like a better step to up the pressure on the Terrorists running Iran.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:21 pm“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
THINK
June 28th, 2007 at 4:22 pmYes and both of them would get orgasims when they bomb Iran. Bush and Cheney are warmongering perverts, so they must be stopped before they start WWIII.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:22 pmI agree with Bush. It’ll take 20 or 30 years to really appreciate the damage he’s done.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:23 pmOffensive Nuclear Strike, Roger?
Iran has no nuclear weapons – and won’t for years.
What’s your hurry?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:23 pmIsn’t insanity grounds for impeachment?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pm>>And please remember the overwhelmingly critical fact: we are talking about a threat — if it is one at all — that still lies five or ten years in the future.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
I agree, first use of nuclear weapons is immoral. I often wonder what we would do, though, if terrorists detonated a nuke in New York. I would hate to be the President who had to make the decision of how to respond. NOT responding would not be an option.
Which makes it all the more important that Iran not get a nuke. But let’s face it, we are at war with Iran as we speak. They are funding, training and supplying our enemies in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The way we fight this war at present robs us of our strengths – Navy and Air Force – while playing to the strengths of Iran – religious fanatic suicide guerillas. I have read from several different sources for two days running that Iran’s Republican Guard has entered Iraq near Basra.
I realize these sentiments are not likely to be well looked upon on this site…I know what the Right thinks we should do about Iran (it was well detailed in the article), but what is the Left’s solution?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pmace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pm[How an "incident" can be used as an excuse for military aggression-ed.]
Dangerous Crossroads: Tonkin II?
“An incident” in the Persian Gulf could be used by the US as a pretext for war against Iran.
A war pretext incident, similar to “the Gulf of Tonkin Incident”, which triggered the Vietnam war, could be used by US forces, with a view to justifying retaliatory military action against Iran.
In August 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson claimed that North Vietnamese forces had attacked US destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin. The Tonkin incident, which had been manipulated, contributed to unleashing a full-fledged war against Vietnam:
“A phantom attack on two U.S. destroyers cruising the Gulf of Tonkin was staged by the Pentagon and the C.I.A. The bogus attack occurred early in August, 1964. That evening President Lyndon Johnson went on television giving the grim details of the non-attack. Later, however, it was revealed that navy commander James Stockdale flew cover over the Gulf of Tonkin that night. Stockdale disclosed that U.S. ships were firing at phantom targets–targets that didn’t exist. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident that drew the U.S. into the quagmire of Viet Nam simply didn’t happen. Johnson, as presidents so often do, lied to the American people. The result was the rapid passage of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which was the sole legal basis for the Viet Nam War. As a result of Johnson’s lie, three million Vietnamese people and fifty eight thousand U.S. soldiers died.” (Charles Sullivan, Global Research, January 2006)
–Michel Chossudovsky, “US naval war games off the Iranian coastline: A provocation which could lead to War?” (Oct. 24, 2006)
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=2006102
June 28th, 2007 at 4:26 pmYes, it’s the president’s job to have a plan B, except this administration has never had a plan B for anything. That’s the problem.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:26 pmBush and his supporters have to keep imagining their victories in the future, since they have nothing to brag about now. All those special new powers, all those lives spent, all that money down the hole, and not a damned thing to show for it.
Yep, keep talking about that La-La Land Future, the only place in the universe where Bush isn’t a pathetic loser.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pm.
If indeed any writer’s survive to write about this drunk, druggie, mad man and the most evil regime ever in the history of america they will not write a good review…It will start out with moving our society back word’s 50 year’s, distroying our constitution and killing million’s of people by design and intent..There will not be any kind word’s ever about bush/ cheney or any one associated with them…Killer’s are never spoken about in kind word’s.Never…Blessings
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pm1. Churchill wasn’t a coward. Bush is.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pm2. After bombing Iran, Bush plans to do…what? (Hint: he NEVER thinks ahead about things like this.)
3. Are we going to impeach these guy now, or let them continue destroying our country…and everyone elses country, too?!
Plan B? You’re joking!
He hasn’t had a plan B thus far, what possesses you to think he would or could now?
Good lord. Plan B. I should be laughing if I wasn’t so flippin’ scared of these nutcases.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmGDumbya? Churchill? LOL
He is more like a composite of Peter Sellers’ characters from Dr. Strangelove — the mad Strangelove himself and Merkin Muffley, the incompetent president.
One of GDumbya’s biggest flaws is his total lack of self-awareness. His grandiosity has gotten him and the rest of the country in deep doo-doo.
Too bad he wasn’t like the Slim Pickens character from Dr. Strangelove and didn’t just ride a bomb to ground during the “Shock and Awe” campaign. We’d all be better off if that were the case.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmHe, he Geogie, the twins will be grandmothers and people still won’t appreciate you. Get used to it.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmIs Hersh talking about a coup to overthrow Amajinadad or Bush? Cuz I’m down with overthrowing Bush, but the Iranians will have to take care of their own crazy president.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmI liked that one. It will take 20 or 30 years to appreciate what Bush has done. COME ON! We’re appreciating it now. Also for the love of God would someone post something in this poor guys forum.
http://beforeyougopostal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41
June 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pmYes, it’s the president’s job to have a plan B, except this administration has never had a plan B for anything. That’s the problem.
GDumbya hasn’t ever even had a Plan A for Chrissake!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmwho has written the definitive book on GWB and his mental acuity? One person that knows him says he has a vocational intelligence, quite poor on concepts.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmdoes he understand what his handlers tell him about some of this stuff? does he understand they are handling him?
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ace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
#
Since they were totally uninvolved in the first one – or the subsequent Anthrax Attacks (neither of which have been SOLVED), what’s your point?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:31 pmRoger-roger
Here’s your big chance to do something about those pesky Iranians! You can reach a local recruiter here…
555-555-1234
Go spend some time in Pharaoh’s army if you are so interested in helping.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:31 pmSince they were totally uninvolved in the first one – or the subsequent Anthrax Attacks (neither of which have been SOLVED), what’s your point?
Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmremember9/11, the “they you refere to must be bush and cheney…By design or neglect they allowed Saudi Arabia (16) to accomplish that little deed..To think any diffrent mean’s you are not well educated on the evil of the bush/cheney regime..
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmReading the headline right after lunch was unsettling.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmAs for Darth Dicky Cheney just dreaming of killing people gets him hard.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmWhy are you advocating that we bomb the Georgie and Dick?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmPlan B is to make plan A work. Right?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:34 pmace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
I don’t know about that. I still think Cheney will still set up another 9/11. It’s his MO. Actually, Cheney will need another false flag in order to get the public behind his nuking Syria, er I mean Jordan, umm I really mean Iran. oh what the hell, he’ll just nuke all of em!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmEvery time I think the President can’t be any loonier, he goes and tops himself yet again. War on one front? Not enough! War on two fronts? Still not good enough. War on three fronts, And first use of nucyoular weapons! Man, there’s a legacy for all time. Obviously the middle east is Way too calm, let’s go in there and really stir things up. And the fallout from the weapons will make sure we stay popular for decades to come! The Deciderer is also the Mayor for Life of Crazy Town!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmTess, that YouTube video on the site you posted is great. It applies to us as much as OZ.
Everyone should look at that!
Allow me to repost. Thanks, Tess!!
http://beforeyougopostal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41
WATCH IT!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWhy are you advocating that we bomb the Georgie and Dick?
Yeah, right. Whatever. If believing in a conspiracy floats your boat, go ahead and knock yourself out. Meanwhile the rest of us will keep things real.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmWell, isn’t this appropriate: My copy of Glenn Greenwald’s book, A Tragic Legacy, just arrived from Amazon. According to the jacket copy, Greenwald “examines the Bush presidency and its long-term effect on the nation.”
Apparently, I’ve been too cheerful lately and needed something to depress myself, so I pre-ordered the book awhile ago. Need to go home, pour a drink, put on some Leonard Cohen, and crack the book. Fortunately, I only have an electric oven.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pm“And Cheney keeps on saying to the young briefing officers, ‘Thank you son, I don’t buy that.”
This is VERY similar to their pre-Iraq approach. CIA analysts brought them evidence on NO WMD, and the response was “Wrong Answer”.
Put these crimidals in Leavenworth NOW!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pm#22 I never said we should use Nukes. I merely said we need other plans outside of diplomacy. If talking fails, we either bomb or invade full scale. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to wait until they have a bomb. That would be nuts.
#41 I am retired and a vet of the first gulf war. I served my country Have you?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmI don’t know about that. I still think Cheney will still set up another 9/11.
I can’t believe it! You’re already a third nut who actually believes in a conspiracy. Jeez. And I thought YOU were the reality based community.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmthe children of the war profiteers will appreciate this…
June 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pmthat’s for sure…
well, unless a crash wipes their income out…
…
Give me a friggin’ break dumb a$$.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/04/AR2007030401321.html
This administartion DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN B FOR ANYTHING.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:38 pm#
Since they were totally uninvolved in the first one – or the subsequent Anthrax Attacks (neither of which have been SOLVED), what’s your point?
Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Provide facts and links to prove your contentions. You are completely wrong – and you have virtually no proof to substantiate your claims.
NONE.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI can’t believe it! You’re already a third nut who actually believes in a conspiracy. Jeez. And I thought YOU were the reality based community.
Comment by remember911
WE are not monolithic. You are quite likely to find a number of differing opinions here.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmChurchill!? Bush likes to compare himself to Churchill!!??
I thought it was a stretch when he compared himself to Truman, or his phony “war on terror” to World War II, but now he has taken his delusion to a whole new level.
Now I know this man needs some serious professional help. (Wasn’t it Hussein who was supposed to be the madman who put the world in grave danger?)
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmace: What I say is a well known fact. It is you who make extraordinary claims and therefore it is you who have to provide extraordinary proof.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYeah, after posting your garbage here for years and never ever mentioning you are a vet makes it a little hard to swallow. That and the fact that you are 100% wrong about anything related to the military.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pmUh. What? Islamists brought down WTC …
Yes, Islamists almost entirely from Saudi Arabia.
When do we start bombing Saudi Arabia?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pm.
Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Comment by remember911
Second wave waged chemical warfare? What are you talking about. And it wasn’t Iraqis or Iranians that brought down the WTC. You do know that, right? Or do you think we should just bomb every country that has any muslims?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pmOT, but impotant
Supreme Court Overrules School Desegregation Plans
Why is this country continuing to move backward?
Disgraceful.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pmYes, Islamists almost entirely from Saudi Arabia.
Born in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:42 pm“Wet Dream Is Hitting Iran”? So we now have to visualize Cheney being horney and hitting his woody on Iran? And picture Bush with nocturnal sexual desires for more war? Damn and you GOPers thought Bill Clinton getting BJs was sick.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#
ace: What I say is a well known fact. It is you who make extraordinary claims and therefore it is you who have to provide extraordinary proof.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
If it’s so damn well know, then you should be able to provide credible links – to Wikipedia or mainstream newspapers which definitively support your outrageous position.
Which trial results are you referring to that determined the guilt of those responsible for 9/11 and the anthrax attacks?
According to our own FBI, Bin Laden is NOT WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH 9/ – and they refuse to authenticate the purported “Confession Take” that you clearly drank like so much Kool-Aid
June 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmThe Shrub even changed his name to throw people off….from Guckert to Gannon. Does he really believe that people aren’t “onto” him?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmAce at #6
Extremely well said. A thoughtful, well reasoned analysis of why unleashing a nuclear bomb will be catastrophic for Iran. I would like to add that a nuclear strike against Iran would most likely contaminate Iran’s drinking supply, possibly killing upwards of 500,000 Iranians. I had just finished watching Sir! No Sir! on DVD, an incredibly moving and powerful look at the GI Movement during the Vietnam War, and was struck how in Iraq and now with Iran the United States has not learned the lessons of Vietnam by being so eager to unleash bombs and terror against other countries for reasons that, like Vietnam, have been based upon lies.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmace: What I say is a well known fact. It is you who make extraordinary claims and therefore it is you who have to provide extraordinary proof.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Actually it is you who is making extraordinary claims. There is no proof of your assertations and they are scientifically impossible.
One question I have for you; If it was islamic extremists who were behind the anthrax attacks, then why were the two attacks aimed at two members who were voting AGAINST the Patriot Act I? And why did the Islamics use anthrax that was from a US lab?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmNow I wonder whom Jeffy Lube was servicing?
A gentleman never kisses and tells.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pm#71 Isn’t that the most repulsive of mental images? I’m ready to vomit here just imagining either of these two eunichs finding their woodies no less doing what Hersch suggests….utterly and totally repulsive to imagine as a visual.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pmNeed to go home, pour a drink, put on some Leonard Cohen, and crack the book. Fortunately, I only have an electric oven.
Comment by gummitch
I don’t think “a drink” is going to be enough then, what with the electric oven. Better bring the bottle with you.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pm#75: Well, duh. They hate us all.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pm#64 Please search Think progress. I have repeatably talked about my service. I even went so far as to give TP the area I was based out of and my position number. Do a little research on this site before opening your mouth please.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:46 pm“Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:33 pm”
So you mean that Arabs got into the buildings and planted explosives????
Your saying that Arabs got into Ft. Dicks, and stole Anthrax from there and sent it out through the mail (largely only to Democrates which opposed the President)????
I hope your not suggesting this????
June 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmIt is the president’s job to have a plan B. We all hope that we can talk Iran down from their nuke ambitions. What happens if that fails to prduce any fruit in the next 6 months? We have few options left outside of a bombing campaign. Outside of bombing, I guess we could go with full scale war, but bombing seems like a better step to up the pressure on the Terrorists running Iran.
Comment by Roger_Roger
Of course, a plan B would be nice. But think about it Rx2: The same dismal performance by Bushco will simply be taken to another country (Iran). This is the ‘gang that cou;dn’t shoot straight, and you want them invading or bombing another soverign nation? The managers of the Iraq war are complete failures and you want them to turn their pathetic skills on another country? The wrong leaders brought the US into the wrong war, at the wrong time, for all of the wrong reasons. If our brave soldiers didn’t have imbeciles like Rumsfeld, cheney, bush, rice, making their decisions, then maybe the invasion of iraq would have been won. The same group of losers are now going to start ‘getting it right’? No way. The neocons are on the wrong side of history. thoughtful people already know this, do you?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmBorn in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Now you add Iraqi to it huh? outragous! You just lost all credibility.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmPresident Bush himself said that Saddam Huisein wasn’t behing the 9/11 attacks! Are you calling our President Bush a Liar??
Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
Comment by remember911
Hahahaha, noticed how he named the two countries already occupied by the US? What about Jordan, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan? OH,,,no, just the ones that my masters told me to hate. Next one, Iran.
Yes, we are the loonies.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmFortunately, I only have an electric oven.
Comment by gummitch
Thank goodness…..
Maybe you can take a little break with My Pet Goat?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmBorn in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization.
Iraqi? Oh, you mean since 2003. But not in 2001, and still not Iranian.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pm.
See, they just make sh!t up as they go. No talking any sense with these people. They live in la la land.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmveritas > the image of it is about to make me hurl chunks. I want Clinton back with silly BJs from Monica.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmAHAHAHAHAHA!
A success. Got ace unhinged and now he’s posting his copy-paste screeds again.
What a sad little creature. What a sad life it must be to think that he’s onto some great secret that no-one else can see and just by posting here he can convince other people to believe in his delusions.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmAbout remembering 911, where is Bin Laden? The start of the domino effect war was to capture him, remember? I actually supported that idea. I also believe that OBL was allowed to escape so he’d be the monster in the closet. The drumbeat of this war was justice for 9/11. It turned into fear and now its war for the sake of war. I wanted justice after 9/11. This war isn’t bringing justice. Using thermonuclear weapons will sew the wind, and we will reap the whirlwind.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pmThe Bush administration didn’t even list Iraq as a state supporter of terrorism until well after 9/11.
But I think our troll was trying to pull a fast one, as in “they’re in Iraq NOW.” It was funny when the WSJ pulled that, but it’s an old joke now.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pm.
AHAHAHAHAHA!
A success. Got ace unhinged and now he’s posting his copy-paste screeds again.
What a sad little creature. What a sad life it must be to think that he’s onto some great secret that no-one else can see and just by posting here he can convince other people to believe in his delusions.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Pretty funny!!!
But you are right, it is sad.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:50 pmYes ace. Show us your insanity. Keep on posting those screeds.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:50 pm#
AHAHAHAHAHA!
A success. Got ace unhinged and now he’s posting his copy-paste screeds again.
What a sad little creature. What a sad life it must be to think that he’s onto some great secret that no-one else can see and just by posting here he can convince other people to believe in his delusions.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
#
We’re all still waiting for those 2 links that you were going to post that definitively place the blame for 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks on Iran.
You did say they were a threat to do it to us again, didn’t you?
PROVE IT.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmace, easy on the length of posts, please?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmChurchill!? Bush likes to compare himself to Churchill!!??
I thought it was a stretch when he compared himself to Truman, or his phony “war on terror†to World War II, but now he has taken his delusion to a whole new level.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
Hey, I like to compare myself to Heidi Klum why shouldn’t Bush go for the gold. If you’re 5′1″, compare yourself to a super model. If you’re the worst president of the US ever, well you might as well dream big. Wat fun are small delusions?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWow. We had a good flame war going and then Ace ruined it with his long posts. Come on Ace, we aren’t going to read essays here. Keep em short and sweet!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI having been posting here for years and so have you and you have never mentioned it. Where were you posted, what unit and what was you MOS.
4/5 Field Artillery Fort Riley KS, Big Red One First Infantry Div. Mechanized.
13 Foxtrot.
Only takes a second to do.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pmYet, PIP and remember911 (sic!!) havent shown ANYTHING.
Sad. This the state of our trolls, people. EMPTINESS.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pmWe’re all still waiting for those 2 links that you were going to post that definitively place the blame for 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks on Iran.
I’ve never said anything like that. As I said, it’s your burden of proof you nutso.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pmBorn in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
Sure CAN.
The Bin Ladens are TERRORISTS, and their LONGTIME-FRIENDS
The Bushes are TERRORISTS.
Sins of the father HAVE BECOME the sins of the sons…
June 28th, 2007 at 4:53 pmSin’s of the father.? Now that’s pretty funny since it was the fund’s of the Saudi prince and princess that supported those 16…Where the hell have you and your learning skill’s been in the last 7 year’s..Oh and by the war, you are now among the 26% in your thinking…More Kool aid.?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:53 pmNo remember911. It is not their burdon of proof. It is yours.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmYes, and in20 or 30 years, dartboards will have his smirking mug as it’s centerpiece “bullseye”.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmConspiracy = more than one person
Theory = idea
Conspiracy Theory = more then one person with the same idea.
There is absolutely nothing derogatory about the term “conspiracy theory.”
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWhy is this country continuing to move backward?
Disgraceful.
Comment by trueblue
Hey trueblue, how’s the baby? On the bed again?
Oh yeah, we’re moving backwards and Georgie’s not going to stop until we hit the Dark Ages. That guy’s working faster than a time machine.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmwith what army??? Dems may be afraid to defund the Iraq conflict but they won’t fund another illegitimate…
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmWho’s talking about this? Hardly anyone. I’d bet my house that we won’t see 2008 elections because this directive will come into play.
WHoooooooooooooooooooo….sheeyowza! Whatever youre smokin’, pass it over.
Ill take that bet right now, in fact Ill even throw in my car, snowmobile and FJR.
Gawd, I thought you people were crazy at lunchtime..what do eat, mushrooms?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI wish Bush a very long life. I want him to experience history’s ever harsher judgment of his presidency. In 20 years he will be a pariah.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmYes ace, please dumb it down for these morons.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#110: Yeah, keep on thinking like that. You’re in a good company of the UFO-nut crowd. Believe in insanity by default and demand proof for reality. You’re such sad, twisted little men and women.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:56 pm#117 Since Bush is already the “global pariah”, does another two decades make him an “older global pariah”??
June 28th, 2007 at 4:57 pm#
We’re all still waiting for those 2 links that you were going to post that definitively place the blame for 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks on Iran.
I’ve never said anything like that. As I said, it’s your burden of proof you nutso.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
You were the one who advocated an unprovoked nuclear offensive strike against Iran so that they would be incapable of striking us again with another 9/11 or anthrax attack.
That is the most ignorant statement that could be made.
You can’t provide a single link to tie Iran to ANY aggression against the US with respect to either of those two events.
YOU GOT NOTHIN’!
June 28th, 2007 at 4:57 pmCome on Roger_Roger. Why is it taking you so long to rattle off something that should be on the tip of your tongue?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmChurchill?
So I guess Chimpy is planning on spending the rest of his presidency drunk and trying to persuade the ANZACs to invade “the soft underbelly of Europe” then?
June 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmI always read ace’s posts with an open mind. I don’t ruminate on it, but just file it away.
I understand if the trolls don’t have enough room for any more than one file.
June 28th, 2007 at 4:59 pmEver heard of the Bohemian Grove?
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus Christ.
The inmates are running the asylum now.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYou insightful paranoids do realize that any plan for bombing Iran is simply being pulled from the files and dusted off before being updated, dont you?
The military has plans for just about every possible contingency, even ones that seem impossible. War with Tibet, its in there. Invading Mauritius, in there too. Amphibious attack against Switzerland, hell thats probably in there too just to make sure all the bases have been covered.
The plan for attacking Iran was in the files during Clinton’s and Bush’s and Reagan’s and Carter’s and Ford’s time as well. Do you peeps have any military expertise whatsoever?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pm#110: Yeah, keep on thinking like that. You’re in a good company of the UFO-nut crowd. Believe in insanity by default and demand proof for reality. You’re such sad, twisted little men and women.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
So what you are saying is that if we don’t believe a statement by a nutcase without proof, then we are a UFO nut croud?? Get real. It is you that see’s boogie men all around you.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYou’re such sad, twisted little men and women.
Comment by remember911
HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Nothing…again.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmBut they do that. Ever heard of the Bohemian Grove?
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Somehow the foregoing ended up being posted with my name attached. This was not my posting – though I wish it had been.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmCome on Roger_Roger. Why is it taking you so long to rattle off something that should be on the tip of your tongue?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Roger Rabbit must be doing some planning using his Risk board again or perhaps he’s doing some calisthenics before signing on. He’s keen to be in the front rank as the tanks roll into Tehran, bayonetting every turban he sees.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThat’s the best you can do? No wonder you people are such a disgrace.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Typical Lefty Arrogance.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:02 pmDo you peeps have any military expertise whatsoever?
Comment by Man
No, just Rambo, Bush and you.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:03 pmBut they do that. Ever heard of the Bohemian Grove?
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Somehow the foregoing ended up being posted with my name attached. This was not my posting – though I wish it had been.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
WHAT???
Post #126 wasn’t you… but you wish it had been…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:03 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — June 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Typical Lefty Arrogance.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
yeah Spudge_Boy! How dare you ask for proof of an outlandish statement! You should be like the good kool-aid drinkers and accept these outlandish claims as they are spoken!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:04 pmhe’s doing some calisthenics before signing on. He’s keen to be in the front rank as the tanks roll into Tehran, bayonetting every turban he sees.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
That was so funny!!! Thanks.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:04 pmPost #126 wasn’t you… but you wish it had been…
It just keeps on getting better, doesn’t it.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:05 pmComment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
Pretty funny!!!
But you are right, it is sad.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
CT, Mr. P, why don’t you two get a room?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:05 pmNo shrapnel, no shredding, no ripping, sheared off.
Comment by Man
And no body parts!!! They evaporated!!!
Yeah, I can swallow that. /sarc
June 28th, 2007 at 5:06 pmNo, just Rambo, Bush and you.
So by default youre admitting that you didnt know that hundreds of such attack-plans exist, that Bush didnt suddenly sit down and demand one be created? Thankyou. (audience cheers)
June 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThe saddest thing is that Hersh is telling the truth, so we can laugh but WWIII is about to begin. The day you turn on the news, and hear Bush ordered the bombing of Iran, then expect the worst to begin everywhere.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pmLots of flame, lots of fun, I love this site, best way to spend work time ever!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:08 pmBut seriously, do the libs on this site think Iran is NOT a threat? That we can allow them to develop nukes and dominate the Middle East? I kinda like driving. I also sense a fair amount of Israel-hate on this site – are the libs here willing to watch “Holocaust: The Sequel”? I tend to take people at their word when they say they want to “wipe Israel off the map.”
Yes, and in20 or 30 years, dartboards will have his smirking mug as it’s centerpiece “bullseyeâ€.
Comment by veritas
Hah, mine already does, well it will. But first I need a dartboard, and then a picture … oh you win veritas, I got the idea from you.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pmAnd no body parts!!! They evaporated!!!
Uh…do lamp-posts being sheared off normally create bodies?
Yeah, I can swallow that. /sarc
Oh what I could and would say to this if I were a lib, but Ill be nice.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pmace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Hmm, maybe Ahmadinejad will conclude that he is in a hurry to launch a pre-emptive attack on America before the Americans conclude that they have to launch a pre-emptive attack before Iran can launch a pre-emptive strike on America, because America is in a hurry to launch a preemptive strike on Iran…..
“Guns of August” – Barbara Tuchmann – an understanding of history might prevent furture embarrassment.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:10 pmGawd, I thought you people were crazy at lunchtime..what do eat, mushrooms?
Comment by Man
We eat TROLLS, and they never see us coming.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:11 pmSo by default youre admitting that you didnt know that hundreds of such attack-plans exist, that Bush didnt suddenly sit down and demand one be created? Thankyou. (audience cheers)
Comment by Man
Just lets take a look at this site.
Answer: no. The US have plans to attack (murder the president, organize a coup, plan a bombing, etc.) almost any country in the world. The thing is to see which attack results cheaper and which ones gives more profits.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:11 pmKeltoi > why do you continue to accept the Bush Regime lies as fact? Iran does not have the ability to attack the US, nor to destroy Israel either. Most of us here want to have long lives and not cut short by nuclear war.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:11 pm“Comment by Keltoi — June 28, 2007 @ 5:08 pm”
When a country attacks another and engages another to take it’s land, then it DESERVES what it gets…..
Isreal has been attacking it’s neighbors for years and taking their land……
As far as Iran….. It “might” be a threat, but not to the extent that requires MILITARY action in any way, shape, or form…….
They are members of the NPT, yet we want to try and dictate to them when Bush just gave Nuclear technology to a country that is NOT part of the NPT and REFUSED to join prior to obtaining the information????
June 28th, 2007 at 5:12 pmare the libs here willing to watch “Holocaust: The Sequelâ€? I tend to take people at their word when they say they want to “wipe Israel off the map.â€
Comment by Keltoi — June 28, 2007 @
The sequel to the holocaust is already in progress – in Iraq.
Guess who’s playing the part of the Nazis, and who the instigators are behind the scenes?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:13 pmYou’re such sad, twisted little men and women.
Comment by remember911
And yet … you’re here. Don’t let us keep you oh ignorant one. Run along now, the grownups are talking.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pm“Oh what I could and would say to this if I were a lib, but Ill be nice.
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 5:09 pm”
You must be, because a Repub would have shot out the most hateful and vulgar statement he could have…..
If you don’t think so, then I refer you to Olilly and Man Coulter…
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmUh…do lamp-posts being sheared off normally create bodies?
I think I was adding something to your comment.
but Ill be nice.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmComment by Man
Cuz you know I couldnt bear another sexual joke…that doesnt really happen among men. /sarc again
You have to understand, attacking Iran would be a bad war because they are muslims and we dont have a right to interfere with them and the war would only be about oil anyway.
You also have to understand, attacking Iraq created a bad war because they are muslims and we dont have a right to interfere with them and the war was only be about oil anyway.
Additionally you have to understand, attacking Afghanistan was a ba..uh…it was about oi…er…um..
June 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI think I was adding something to your comment.
Ok then, I guess. Do a rosie and google ‘airplane wings’.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:16 pm“Additionally you have to understand, attacking Afghanistan was a ba..uh…it was about oi…er…um..
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 5:14 pm”
So by this statement are you trying to say that Afganistan was NOT about oil?
I’ll await your answer…
June 28th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThe sequel to the holocaust is already in progress – in Iraq.
Guess who’s playing the part of the Nazis, and who the instigators are behind the scenes?
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
That kinda trivializes the ACTUAl Holocaust a tad, don’t you think?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:17 pmDo a rosie and google ‘airplane wings’.
Comment by Man
I dont understand that statement. But I can explain you why airplanes fly, if you want.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:18 pmSomehow the foregoing ended up being posted with my name attached. This was not my posting – though I wish it had been.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
WHAT???
Post #126 wasn’t you… but you wish it had been…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
So I guess PIPpy Shortpecker is namejacking you ace, since he thinks it’s so amusing.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:18 pmThat kinda trivializes the ACTUAl Holocaust a tad, don’t you think?
Comment by Keltoi
I agree. Lets wait until 6 million Iraqis are dead in order to get serious about it.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:19 pmAll we here is how low President Bush’s approval ratings are! Why is there little reporting of the fact that the approval ratings of congress are lower than his? While I do not like W, I crossed party lines for two of the fewest times ever to vote for a dem, I can hardly see how this congress has done anything! Nancy Pelosi’s days are numbered…we can’t vote for W any longer, but Pelosi has accomplished NOTHING and will be up for re-election one day. Unfortunately, not soon enough!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:19 pmYou must be, because a Repub would have shot out the most hateful and vulgar statement he could have…..
Ill remember that next time Im shopping with the Reverend’s Jackson and Sharpton in “hymie town” as we go looking for a reputable “diamond merchant”.
Was Coulter ever a presidential nominee? No? Huh.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:20 pmThat kinda trivializes the ACTUAl Holocaust a tad, don’t you think?
Comment by Keltoi — June 28, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
Maybe in your mind, but no one else’s.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:21 pmSide note . . . With regard to the 2004 elections, the decider crowed about how great it was that this country was able to carry on elections in “a time of war.” WTF, do you think he’d cancel presidential elections if we were in a cataclysmic “time of war?” Only the mind of the decider knows.
God, you’ve got a direct line to this loon. Help us all.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:21 pmFor 1500 years these barbarians have been on a long and bloody mission to rid the world of those that are not like then. They have no tolerance for any non-muslim, woman (other than to create more homicide bombers) or anything else that is not like them. They have tried and tried again – and they are dead set on turning the US into MadMax land. So get up off your asses, stop listening to the crap – Paris Hilton, Rosie and the rest of the pop culture idiots and fight back. Otherwise, you will be getting your head litterally handed to you some day.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:21 pmKeltoi > why do you continue to accept the Bush Regime lies as fact? Iran does not have the ability to attack the US, nor to destroy Israel either. Most of us here want to have long lives and not cut short by nuclear war.
Comment by Jay Randal — June 28, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Here’s to that! But I am not accepting “the Bush Regimes” lie as fact – Iran has been our sworn enemy for a long time. Are you saying Iran ISN’T helping our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan? It is really not possible for either of us to KNOW this, but why would you assume they weren’t just because Bush said they were?
I would like to WIN the war we’re in. Iran is the nexus of Islamo-Fascism. I feel like it is 1944, D-Day was a success but we are refusing to cross the Rhine.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:22 pmComment by Keltoi — June 28, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
But seriously, do the libs on this site think Iran is NOT a threat? That we can allow them to develop nukes and dominate the Middle East?
1945 America develops nukes
1953 America overthrows popular elected government of Iran and together with Saudi Arabian allies dominated the Middle East
1953 – 1978 Iran run as a fascist police state by the Shah and the SAVAK – America rightly deserves the blame of the Iranians
I kinda like driving. I also sense a fair amount of Israel-hate on this site – are the libs here willing to watch “Holocaust: The Sequelâ€?
Israel-hate? Prove it. You’ll see some crypto trolls posting false flag antisemitism from time to time, but don’t mistake criticism of Israeli policy in Palestine and beyond for ‘anti-semtism’ – that’s sloppy thinking on your part – read something other than your spoon-fed American media.
I tend to take people at their word when they say they want to “wipe Israel off the map.†Sure, but the irony of your so-called quote here is that Ahmadinejad didn’t say that.
Read some Juan Cole and you’ll see why. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17925.htm
“Ahmadinejad did not use that phrase in Persian. He quoted an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini calling for ‘this occupation regime over Jerusalem” to “vanish from the page of time.’ Calling for a regime to vanish is not the same as calling for people to be killed. Ahmadinejad has not to my knowledge called for anyone to be killed.”
and this:
“If Ahmadinejad is a genocidal maniac who just wants to kill Jews, then why are there 20,000 Jews in Iran with a member of parliament in Tehran? Couldn’t he start at home if that was what he is really about? ”
Ahmadinejad shouldn’t get a free pass on what he did say – meaning regime change in Palestine which since he doesn’t recognize Israel he considers all of Palestine together. And certainly is Holocaust denial is part of an odious campaign to influence Iranian public opinion. But neither then should you just take what someone mistranslated and go off parrotting the talking point. So yeah, take him at his word, when you’ve accurately read what he has actually said there skippy.
Ahmadinejad has his own troubles besides: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070627/tpl-uk-iran-gasoline-rationing-9562ed3.html
June 28th, 2007 at 5:22 pmAce is fine just how he is.
Heh. Drop “fine” and you’ve got it.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pmNAZIs… Iraq… neoCons… Bush…
You forgot the Joooooos who are ultimately responsible for everything from 911 to your toilet overflowing.
I have it on good information that there are Jooos all around us! Stand ready!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pmremember911 you got that right.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI need to know the TRUTH about what happened on 9/11. Anybody willing to share?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:24 pmWow, I’m sure this “revelation” is going to really hurt Georgie’s and Dicker’s feelings.
Guess we showed them.
Oh, what about all those people being blown to bits in Iraq? Screw ‘em. We have some serious mud slinging that needs to happen and all those people who are dying, whether Iraqi or American, can go fcuk themselves.
Well, except that they are already dead and in pieces but that’s just what those ungrateful simps deserved.
Trying to get in the way of our entertainment and all.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:24 pmYou forgot the Joooooos who are ultimately responsible for everything from 911 to your toilet overflowing.
I have it on good information that there are Jooos all around us! Stand ready!
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
heh… oh yeah…
IT’S THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The EVIL EVIL JOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooos!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThat kinda trivializes the ACTUAl Holocaust a tad, don’t you think?
Comment by Keltoi
I don’t think the innocents in Iraq would feel that way.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:25 pmIf its not obvious to you by now then you are a lost cause.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:25 pmBush may be an idiot on immigration but he was dead on about taking the fight to them.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI need to know the TRUTH about what happened on 9/11. Anybody willing to share?
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
SURE!!!!!!!
A bunch of MuslimShiteaters ™ hijacked some planes and murdered innocent Americans in cold blood.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:26 pmIt´s been an hour approximately and remember911 (please, I have tears in my eyes and the flag in my chest) and PIP cant come up with any proof to deny ace.
mmmm… well.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmAnd a bunch of Islamo Faciasts in Brooklyn watched and rejoiced.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pm#192: Oh noes! It can’t be that simple. Surely there must be a conspiracy or two in there somewhere…
June 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmI need to know the TRUTH about what happened on 9/11. Anybody willing to share?
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
**yawn** when you see 9-11 thread, you go right ahead. Try to stay on topic – Bush, Cheney, Churchill, Iran.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:28 pmAnd a bunch of Islamo faciast nuts danced for joy in Brooklyn as they watched the towers fall from afar.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:28 pmTerry, I read that. And I was convinced that Iran´s president have said so…amazing the misdirection.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:28 pmGod, you’ve got a direct line to this loon. Help us all.
Im sorry my son, I cant do that.
Im busy fiddling with the Diebold machines to make sure the nasty liberals dont win again. Imagine my surprise when somehow those crooked ballot-machines didnt give the intended result last november and the dems won.
Somehow, the night before, the dems managed to fix literally thousands of evil Diebold machines and save the elections. Conspiracy diverted; if I wasnt God I would say it was a Christmas miracle!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:29 pmI guess I will chime in. The ‘identified’ hijackers were listed as 15 Saudis, 1 Egyptian, 1 Lebanese, 2 from union of Arab Emirates. I didn’t see Iran or Iraq on the list… That of course is if you believe the ‘Official’ Conspiracy Theory. There are too many unanswered questions, very weird coincidences, and discrepancies to just accept the “Official” version at face value. When you start really digging into the details of circumstances before, during and after 9/11, the official story defies logic in too many areas. I am not just talking about the three buildings collapsing. There are too many things that still need to be looked at and answered more thoroughly. I for one want an independent investigation. A real investigation.
As far as the Anthrax attacks, you saw that as a second wave? Of what?
That investigation faded away into the netherworld as soon as they traced that militarized anthrax to the lab it came from. (In the USA)..
Is it just a coincidence that the Patriot Act gets introduced 13 days after 9/11, all 342 pages – already written and bound (when has our government ever been that quick or efficient at anything? This thing had clearly already been written before the attack and was ready to go), and when two DEMOCRATIC senators, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, tried to slow the process down a little so that people would have more time to read and study it, they are the ONLY two senators who get the militarized anthrax sent to their offices?? . The anthrax was delivered to their offices on October 9. The anthrax sent to those offices was a clear threat and an attempt at intimidation. Russ Feingold was the only Senator to vote against the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act was rushed through Congress in just six weeks and passed on October 17, 2001. I’m not sure if anyone even read it first..
June 28th, 2007 at 5:29 pmIran’s president was one of the leaders of the taking of the American Embassy in 1978.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:29 pmRemember, Obama also wants to hit Iran. Follow the path of peace. Vote Kucinich 08′
June 28th, 2007 at 5:30 pm#189,
Extremely valid point except for one small logic quirk, a million or so of those innocent Iraqis don’t feel anything because they are dead. Many of the rest don’t “feel” anything because they no longer have hands, or legs.
The apathy on display in general by the USA public, especially those who claim to be “anti-Iraq-war”, is beyond disgusting and in the realm of criminal.
“Complicit Enablers”. Get used to the term, it will be our generation’s historical epitaph. And many here are actually proud of it.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmdeny ace.
mmmm… well.
Comment by Juan C — June 28, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Deny ace what???
I agree that he should be allowed to take the full dosage of his anti-psychotics.
Other than that what do you expect?
His posts are paranoid twaddle.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pm“I need to know the TRUTH about what happened on 9/11. Anybody willing to share?
Comment by CT V_1 — June 28, 2007 @ 5:24 pm”
I’ll play along……
Airplanes, which have YET to be 100% identified by one of the 100’s of traceable parts, flew into 2 of the biggest buildings in NY city.
A third one Hit the Pentagon in DC, all the while our military was picknicking somewhere nice and was unable to get into their planes for over 2 hours to intercept and/or shoot down these planes.
The fouth plane was said to have “crashed” into the ground in PA, and it threw it’s debris for over 4 miles in some cases…..
The govt. quickly had the names and pictures of these bastards within hours, and showed them on the TV.
Then the BBC told us that a 3rd tower had fell down….. OOOPS that was reported to early because it was in the background, and then their transmission went out.
The govt. blamed OBL and we then attacked Afganistan, which was going to be attacked ANYWAY because the Taliban would not cooperate with Bush to put a big oil pipline in across the country……
I think that about sums it up……
June 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmWhy would Obama want to hit Iran? Isn’t he one of those islamists living in a cave somewhere in afghanistan
June 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
You’ll see some crypto trolls posting false flag antisemitism from time to time
See my point, Keltoi?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:32 pmRemember, Obama also wants to hit Iran. Follow the path of peace. Vote Kucinich 08′
Comment by ramblnrose — June 28, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Fukc that shit!
CHENEY 2008!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:33 pmI don’t think the innocents in Iraq would feel that way.
My, look at the righteous (or would that be lefteous) sorrow emanating from the libs over the plight of the innocents in Iraq.
Crap, I suppose we will how have to invade Darfur so the libs can care about the black Sudanese too.
Where is Darfur, you ask? Its in the same place that Iraq was before we invaded, look under the file-heading “obscurity”.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:34 pmSee my point, Keltoi?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
You’re not the brightest.
Those posts were mocking ace.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:34 pmIran’s president was one of the leaders of the taking of the American Embassy in 1978.
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
And you point is what exactly? Bush is a coke-addled dry drunk with an arrest for DUI to his credit and he’s a president too! And since Kermit Roosevelt ran a CIA coup from that embasy in 1953 that gave Iranians the SAVAK and the Shah, it was logical to think that the US would try to halt the Iranian revolution from the same place….
That’s Kermit Roosvelt, not Kermit the Frog – look him up and learn something.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:35 pmYou forgot the Joooooos who are ultimately responsible for everything from 911 to your toilet overflowing.
I have it on good information that there are Jooos all around us! Stand ready!
Comment by Man
Yeah, some even blogging on TP right now. We are closer than you think.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:36 pmafter the disastrous battle of gallipoli in WW1, churchill resigned as he was a principle backer. probably to assuage the guilt he then enlisted and fought in the trenches. can you imagine bush doing either? taking responsibility for the disaster he has wrought and then actually putting his own life on the line?
70% of the people know hes the worst president of the worst administration ever right now. 20 years from now it will be even more clear. too bad we’ll all have to suffer for this asshole’s fuckups.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:36 pmI think that about sums it up……
Comment by RemoveBush — June 28, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
It sure does… we can now infer that you’re an idiot!!!!
Here’s what happened CT.
A bunch of MuslimShiteaters ™ hijacked some planes and murdered thousands of innocent Americans in cold blood.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:37 pmJesus fscking christ you 911 morons.
Answer me this: If there is a state-sponsored conspiracy and the secrets are being kept so badly that even loons like you can uncover it, then why aren’t the perpetrators being being revealed/blackmailed by the people or foreign intelligence services?
It is, of course, obvious that if someone actually had managed to plan and implement a conspiracy leading to 9/11, they would not be so inept that losers like ace and his 9/11-conspiracy ilk would get their grubby hands on the information.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYou’re not the brightest.
Those posts were mocking ace.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Keep your ad hominems to yourself sonny, makes you look petty. I’ve seen you posts: your irony was obvious, but ironic or not, the text stands and someone who sees it draws the same conclusion as Keltoi.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Umm…
You’re not the brightest.
Keltoi was responding to ace.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
It is, of course, obvious that if someone actually had managed to plan and implement a conspiracy leading to 9/11, they would not be so inept that losers like ace and his 9/11-conspiracy ilk would get their grubby hands on the information.
Comment by Think Prostate — June 28, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Agreed.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:41 pmI don’t think the innocents in Iraq would feel that way.
My, look at the righteous (or would that be lefteous) sorrow emanating from the libs over the plight of the innocents in Iraq.
Crap, I suppose we will how have to invade Darfur so the libs can care about the black Sudanese too.
Where is Darfur, you ask? Its in the same place that Iraq was before we invaded, look under the file-heading “obscurityâ€.
Comment by Man
So everybody in Iraq, even the children are guilty. Of what? I guess the study this week talking about how the children of Iraq are suffering is just too insignifican to matter to you.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“It is, of course, obvious that if someone actually had managed to plan and implement a conspiracy leading to 9/11, they would not be so inept that losers like ace and his 9/11-conspiracy ilk would get their grubby hands on the information.
Comment by Think Prostate — June 28, 2007 @ 5:37 pm”
OK….
Since you believe that a theory and PROOF is not FACT, then provide me the FACT that shows that GRAVITY does in fact exist…..
On second thought…… Take an elevator ride to the roof of the tallest building you can find, and step off of the roof…… Since THEORIES with EVIDENCE does not mean anything, you will be just fine and no harm will come to you…
Let me know when and where you plan on proving that gravity cannot exist because it is only a theory!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pmJG – all good points – I highly recommend the book “Fiasco” to anyone intereste in how we got into this disaster. It was well planned long before 9-11. Bush had a play book but tossed it in favor of Rummy’s vision of an “efficient” war, fought with less than a quarter of the required troops (according to Generals who’ve studied the art of war through out the ages). But these neo-con, know better, we’ll do your daddy proud.
Poor George Herbert. Happy father’s day.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pm#
And a bunch of Islamo faciast nuts danced for joy in Brooklyn as they watched the towers fall from afar.
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
#
FALSE STATEMENT WITH ZERO PROOF.
Provide a link or retract that statement.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:43 pmMsJoanne – Katy, Zooey and I have all posted that we think they’ll try to hijack elections. The question is what do we do about it?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:44 pmA bunch of MuslimShiteaters â„¢ hijacked some planes and murdered thousands of innocent Americans in cold blood.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
And now what are you suggesting? All muslims, all over the world, should be punished forever?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:44 pmHITLER
The Reichstag Burns
Adolf Hitler, the new Chancellor of Germany, had no intention of abiding by the rules of democracy. He intended only to use those rules to legally establish himself as dictator as quickly as possible then begin the Nazi revolution.
Even before he was sworn in, he was at work to accomplish that goal by demanding new elections. While Hindenburg waited impatiently in another room, Hitler argued with conservative leader Hugenberg, who vehemently opposed the idea. Hitler’s plan was to establish a majority of elected Nazis in the Reichstag which would become a rubber stamp, passing whatever laws he desired while making it all perfectly legal.
Hitler’s storm troopers were about to reach new heights of power of their own and begin a reign of terror.
President Hindenburg had fallen under Hitler’s spell and was signing just about anything put in front of him. He signed an emergency decree that put the German state of Prussia into the hands of Hitler confidant, Vice Chancellor Papen. Göring as Minister of the Interior for Prussia took control of the police. Prussia was Germany’s biggest and most important state and included the capital of Berlin.
Göring immediately replaced hundreds of police officials loyal to the republic with Nazi officials loyal to Hitler. He also ordered the police not to interfere with the SA and SS under any circumstances. This meant that anybody being harassed, beaten, or even murdered by Nazis, had nobody to turn to for help.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm
Creeping Fascism
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
Although conspiracy theorists have talked about a wealthy ruling elite, this research confirms that ten wealthy families fund all the groups that have the dominant influence on U.S. policy.
Operation Northwoods was a conspiracy, signed off on by the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The Project for a New American Century was a conspiracy, signed off on by some of the President’s top advisors.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mark_e___061007_election_fraud_2c_9_2f11.htm
June 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmIm scratching my head here, and my nether regions for that matter, trying to get a line on this 911 conspiracy argument.
Bush is a complete dolt but he managed to successfully pull-off the biggest terror attack in history. Or Cheney did, whatever.
They managed to get explosives perfectly placed in multiple locations in not only skyscrapers but also the ultra-secure Pentagon without a single person seeing them or getting suspicious at the activity.
Then Bush/Cheney made four planes, full of crew and passengers, to completely disappear without a trace. Fake cell-phone calls were made, fake distress signals, fake radar signatures, fake IFF plane signals, fake everything that completely and utterly fooled hundreds of civilians who would have been at home and work talking to people on those planes.
And either the Bush/Cheney deadly duo did this all themselves or they had help, and not ONE of those helpers ever had second thoughts about the terrible deed they had committed to come forward and gush out the truth?
Finally, Bush/Cheney managed 911 but they couldnt stash a few dozen barrels of WMD in the Iraqi desert or create a fake nuclear lab in Tikrit to get the dems off their back?
Ooooookkaaaaayyyyy.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmProvide a link or retract that statement.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go plunder wikipedia for some bullshit link, like ace does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(a)rabs
June 28th, 2007 at 5:46 pm(c)onspire
(e)vil
And a bunch of Islamo faciast nuts danced for joy in Brooklyn as they watched the towers fall from afar.
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Here, allow me to help you with the links:
http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/ABCNEWS_com_Were_Israelis_Detained_Sept_11_Spies.htm
http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column100.html
http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=5303
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/forget.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j062402.html.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/sears.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/06/Israel/spies7.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/03/Tampa050302.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/01/WTC_Israelis5.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0206/S00133.htm
http://www.911-strike.com/dea-il-spy.htm
http://www.antiwar.com/israeli-files.php
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=162902&c
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-20/fishwrapper.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/16/110443.shtml
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5133.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&con
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&co
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/lemonde1.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2294487.stm
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j072602.html
http://www.crimelynx.com/dozens.html
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deareportisraelispying.html
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/dancing-israelis-on-911.html
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7127
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11385.htm
June 28th, 2007 at 5:47 pmAnd now what are you suggesting? All muslims, all over the world, should be punished forever?
Comment by shane — June 28, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Not at all.
I’m suggesting that the truth about the 911 attacks is that a bunch of MuslimShiteaters ™ hijacked some planes and murdered thousands of innocent Americans in cold blood.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:48 pmNothing but the ‘not the brightest’ stuff to say still PIP? You know as well as I do that people come here and accuse posters of antisemitism and post false flag antisemtic comments.
Keltoi himself used the phrase ‘Israel-hate’ earlier in the thread which I drew attention to. Now either Keltoi is misinterpreting as I logically pointed out or Keltoi gained that impression by reasing the posts and perhaps drawing a wrong conclusion.
So my comment does not fall under the ‘not the brightest’ category, it is simply that Keltoi’s post to ace showed while I was writing my post and I didn’t see what he had said. If you can’t keep it civil, you should probably find someone else to post to.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:49 pmI don’t know if it’s true or not but the middle eastern men seen dancing
after 9/11 were apparently Israeli “tourists”.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/dancing-israelis-on-911.html
Do your own research if you really want to know.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:49 pmTroll anti- semitism now – apparently since the Supreme Court has taken hating people for their skin color into the mainstream, being a racist is no cool longer enough; time to up the hatred.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:49 pm13. “We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
14. “We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return” David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”
17. “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. “We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!’” Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin’s description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. “We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters” Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion’s special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From “The Arabs in Israel” by Sabri Jiryas.
20. “There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:…the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish…with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary.” Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. “Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:50 pm24. “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
25. “We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
26. “We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” (Chaim Weizmann, Published in “Judische Rundschau,” No. 4, 1920)
June 28th, 2007 at 5:52 pmT H E
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Ledeen’s ideas are repeated daily by such figures as Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. His views virtually define the stark departure from American foreign policy philosophy that existed before the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001. He basically believes that violence in the service of the spread of democracy is America’s manifest destiny. Consequently, he has become the philosophical legitimator of the American occupation of Iraq.
Now Michael Ledeen is calling for regime change beyond Iraq. In an address entitled “Time to Focus on Iran — The Mother of Modern Terrorism,” for the policy forum of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) on April 30, he declared, “the time for diplomacy is at an end; it is time for a free Iran, free Syria and free Lebanon.”
With a group of other conservatives, Ledeen recently set up the Center for Democracy in Iran (CDI), an action group focusing on producing regime change in Iran.
Quotes from Ledeen’s works reveal a peculiar set of beliefs about American attitudes toward violence. “Change — above all violent change — is the essence of human history,” he proclaims in his book, “Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli’s Iron Rules Are as Timely and Important Today as Five Centuries Ago.” In an influential essay in the National Review Online he asserts, “Creative destruction is our middle name. We do it automatically … it is time once again to export the democratic revolution.”
Iraq, Iran and Syria are the first and foremost nations where this should happen, according to Ledeen. The process by which this should be achieved is a violent one, termed “total war,” a concept pioneered by the 19th century Prussian general, Karl von Clausewitz in his classic book “On War.”
Ledeen’s take on this idea is wedded to ideology. In summarizing his book “The War Against the Terror Masters” on the American Enterprise Institute Web site, he writes: “We wage total war because we fight in the name of an idea, and ideas either triumph or fail … totally.” In his reckoning, force is the only reliable strategy to enforce our ideology on our enemies. In the same summary he claims, drawing inspiration from Machiavelli: “We can lead by the force of high moral example … [but] fear is much more reliable, and lasts longer. Once we show that we are capable of dealing out terrible punishment to our enemies, our power will be far greater.”
http://www.alternet.org/story/15860/
June 28th, 2007 at 5:53 pm“The CDI’s Ledeen, Amitay and Sobhani were featured speakers at a May 2003 forum on “the future of Iran’ sponsored by AEI, the Hudson Institute and the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. The forum, chaired by the Hudson Institute’s Meyrav Wurmser, the Israeli-born wife of David Wurmser (he serves as Cheney’s leading expert on Iran and Syria), included a presentation by Un Lubrani of Israel’s Ministry of Defense.
Summarizing the sentiment of neoconservative ideologues and strategists, Meyrav Wurmser said: “Our fight against Iraq was only a battle in a long war. It would be ill-conceived to think we can deal with Iraq alone. We must move on, and faster.”
JINSA, a neoconservative organization established in 1976 that fosters closer strategic and military ties between the United States and Israel, also has its sights on Iran. At a JINSA policy forum in April 2003 titled “Time to Focus on Iran-The Mother of Modern Terrorism,” Ledeen declared, “The time for diplomacy is at an end; it is time for a free Iran, free Syria and free Lebanon.”
JINSA, along with CSP, serves as one of the main institutional links to the military-industrial complex for neoconservatives. Ledeen served as JINSA’s first executive director and was JINSA’s “Godfather,” according to Amitay. Amitay is a JINSA vice chair. JINSA board members or advisers also include former CIA director James Woolsey, former Rep. Jack Kemp and the AEI’s Joshua Muravchik. After he joined the administration, Feith resigned from JINSA.’s board of advisers, as did Vice President Dick Cheney and Undersecretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton.”
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Central_Asia_watch/Is_Iran_Next.html
June 28th, 2007 at 5:53 pmMuslimShiteaters â„¢
All right, let’s break out the red cross shirts and with a sword in one hand and a bible in the other, we’ll ‘invade their countries, kills their leaders and convert them all to Christianity!’ Tried it, didn’t work – really pissed them off though.
So does this mean a couple of ChristianShiteaters â„¢ bombed Oklahoma City? Man, we should surround the Head Office of the Southern Baptist Convention tomorrow and level the place with everyone in it!
/sarcasm off
June 28th, 2007 at 5:54 pmhttp://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/OPED/12-2005/Article-20051227-6d024106-c0a8-10ed-00d8-7731782f8f9d/story.html
David Wurmser:
What do Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and David Wurmser have in common? We know that they’re in the cabal of neocons, who want to destroy the Middle East in order to benefit Israel. But what they specifically have in common, after the fall of Iraq, is their hostility toward Syria
I’ve mentioned on several occasions in this column a study of the cabal that appeared in 1996, entitled “Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” It contains a call for removing the Saddam Hussein regime, followed by attacking Syria and finding an alternative to Yasser Arafat.
This study became the Bush administration’s policy after 11 September 2001. Since the part related to Iraq has been achieved, the cabal is now working to implement the portion concerning Syria.
Iran remains a final goal, but Iran is very strong and the US needs to isolate all of its allies (such as Syria) and disarm them (such as Hezbollah), before taking on the Islamic Republic.
The study called on Israel to ally with Turkey and Iran and strike at Syria through Lebanon, just as Wurmser has written time and time again calling for joint US-Israeli efforts against Syria. Wurmser repeated this call in 2000
Whatever I say about Wurmser isn’t sufficient to describe how dangerous he is for the Palestinians, Syria and every Arab country. He’s absolutely Israeli; he wants the US to wage Israel’s wars in the Middle East. Wurmser’s name has been linked to the Office of Special Plans, which Douglas Feith at the Pentagon created to shape intelligence supporting a war against Iraq when the intelligence organizations failed to provide the necessary lies. Wurmser worked as an advisor to John Bolton at the Pentagon and the two try to outdo each other in peddling lies about Syria and inciting the Bush administration against it. Bolton moved to the United Nations, where Bush appointed him Washington’s ambassador in the face of congressional opposition, and during its summer recess. Wurmser, meanwhile, moved to Dick Cheney’s office and both continued to spread their poison against Arabs and Muslims. Iraq was one step, and Syria was another. The cause is Israel and how it can dominate the region in the face of a huge majority of peoples that the cabal is trying to strip of their independence.
I hope readers appreciate the fact that I’m not exaggerating, because it is difficult to exaggerate the danger posed by an Israeli apologist like Wurmser to Arab interests.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:55 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
I don’t give a shit about jews muslims or Xtians, I’m just mocking ace.
Oh, by the way, have you read ace’s lastest and greatest,
they’re gems!!!!!!
And who cares about Klitoi anyway?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:55 pmWrong, being the non-technical people that they are, the Internet Tubes snuck up and bit the retards on the a$$.
The republicans still haven’t figured out what audio and video tapes do. Tha tis why they say one thing and then wonder why when they say something else, people ask questions.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:57 pmOh yeah and Roger_Roger, we are all still waiting.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:57 pmSo everybody in Iraq, even the children are guilty. Of what? I guess the study this week talking about how the children of Iraq are suffering is just too insignifican to matter to you.
No, the study this week is the hypocrisy you are showing with your crocodile tears over the Iraqis. Half the people on this site couldnt have found Iraq on a map before 2003, now youre wailing and gnashing about their suffering; they are the liberal victim du jour, thats all. You would have trouble finding Sudan on the map, but if we invaded tomorrow you would be the first to proclaim your love of the downtrodden Sudanese.
You cant help it, youre a liberal and libs must constantly proclaim how much they care while simaltaneously doing next to nothing.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:58 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 5:54 pm
Look, I know that you probable weren’t aware that ace is loony.
So I’m not gonna rub it in your face.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:58 pm“Im scratching my head here, and my nether regions for that matter, trying to get a line on this 911 conspiracy argument.”
Allow me to enlighten you, you poor lost soul…..
“Bush is a complete dolt but he managed to successfully pull-off the biggest terror attack in history. Or Cheney did, whatever.”
He was a party to the event….. Does not mean he “pulled it off”….. More than likely he was told to go along or to watch the movie JFK…..
“They managed to get explosives perfectly placed in multiple locations in not only skyscrapers but also the ultra-secure Pentagon without a single person seeing them or getting suspicious at the activity.”
Who said that the Pentagon had explosives placed in it????? It was MORE LIKELY a drone with a bomb on board….
“Then Bush/Cheney made four planes,”
See above regading this…
” full of crew and passengers, to completely disappear without a trace.”
You think that is diffucult???? Especially when ALL 4 planes were 1/4 full???
” Fake cell-phone calls were made,”
YES….. Odd how if cell phones can be used so easily on planes pre 9/11 that the airline companies are spending Millions of dollars installing systems to allow cell phones to work after 9/11. Also, it is OBVIOUS that you have no basic understanding of how cell phones or RF works…..
” fake distress signals,”
There was NOT ONE distress signal from the planes…… There was a voice anouncement from one of the “supossed” hijackers, but NOT ONE distress signal…….
” fake radar signatures,”
What do you think those war games were doing????? They were injecting FALSE blips into the radar for their games…..
” fake IFF plane signals,”
You think that is difficult???
” fake everything that completely and utterly fooled hundreds of civilians who would have been at home and work talking to people on those planes.”
HUNDREDS?????? Take some medication buddy…… There were “maybe” two dozen calls made….. And YES, when in a noisy enviroment it does not take much for a voice to be impersinated so that even the mother would not know the difference.
“And either the Bush/Cheney deadly duo did this all themselves or they had help, and not ONE of those helpers ever had second thoughts about the terrible deed they had committed to come forward and gush out the truth?”
Not if it was largely people from OUTSIDE the US…… Those that were part in the US were either lied to about what was going to happen or were killed. If they were not killed they were certainly told that they would be if they did talk. Don’t believe that people could keep quiet?? Just look at how the Admin smears Patriots like Tice or Siebel Edmonds……
“Finally, Bush/Cheney managed 911 but they couldnt stash a few dozen barrels of WMD in the Iraqi desert or create a fake nuclear lab in Tikrit to get the dems off their back?”
They tried…… I guess you missed that report of Brewster Jennings stopping a shipment of WMD’s from Turkey??????
“Ooooookkaaaaayyyyy.
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 5:45 pm”
Go back to sleep and let the intellectuals actually do the thinking, because it is obvious you can’t.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:00 pmPathetic:
MuslimShiteaters â„¢
Doesn’t this blog have a gatekeeper? An ass with a TM belongs no where that I want to share the bright light of full and open discourse. Shouldn’t he have a banner schwatstica up top? (don’t even know how to spell hate, but you read our hate-mongering Nazi and you can just smell it . . . like agent orange in the morning . . . aahhh).
Maybe I’ll call Nike (nope, do biz in China – Still, you could take your hate there), Pepsi (Venezuela? No? what about China? So much hate, so many options). No, you seem more like a closeted Thai kind of skippie.
Bong Hits 4 Jesus [TM] . . . that’s the ticket.
Free speech. There’s no place like home.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:00 pmOh, by the way, have you read ace’s lastest and greatest,
they’re gems!!!!!!
What that the neo-con agenda is influenced by groups with strong ties to Israel and is less influenced by an objective analysis of America’s true national interests? You find that newsworthy it seems. You should leave the country more often and read more widely.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:01 pmSo I’m not gonna rub it in your face.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
I’ll try to be more appreciative. Why don’t you try discussing ace’s points or does ‘ace is loony’ cover the reach of your rhetoric?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:03 pmThe republicans still haven’t figured out what audio and video tapes do. Tha tis why they say one thing and then wonder why when they say something else, people ask questions.
Apparently the dems havent either. What a chance to pound Bush into the ground and the republican party with him forever, audio and video PROVING that 911 was an inside job.
All those high-powered dems with their security clearances and not one can figure out a way to get a shred of info on the 911 conspiracy? So we are stuck dealing with a bunch of toons burning balsa-wood models of the WTC to prove it wasnt planes which brought them down?
Explain the sheared-off lightposts and maybe Ill start to sign on to your theory.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:04 pmWow! ace just went wild. Look at those anti-semitic screeds…
June 28th, 2007 at 6:04 pmFort Benning 11b
June 28th, 2007 at 6:05 pmDoesn’t this blog have a gatekeeper?
Well kinda, but if this site behaved more like Redstate and LGF where you can be banned for quoting Teddy Roosevelt at the wrong moment in the thread…. well then strident accusations of censorship might fly. My advice: scroll past the ones that cause frustration.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:06 pmAn ass with a TM belongs no where that I want to share the bright light of full and open discourse. Shouldn’t he have a banner schwatstica up top? (don’t even know how to spell hate, but you read our hate-mongering Nazi and you can just smell it . . . like agent orange in the morning . . . aahhh).
Comment by enuf — June 28, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
This doesn’t even make sense grammatically.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:06 pm#
So I’m not gonna rub it in your face.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
I’ll try to be more appreciative. Why don’t you try discussing ace’s points or does ‘ace is loony’ cover the reach of your rhetoric?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Troll:
Intent
Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others. The key element under attack by a troll is known only to the troll.
He has no facts to refute what I post, and can provide no links to any valid information – so he just inserts himself to disrupt the flow and drive others away from enlightened discussion.
MEGAPHONE – The Zionist’s Propaganda Tool Online:
TROLLS = M E G A P H O N I E S
Here are all of the sponsors of the Megaphone effort to jam blogs full of Israeli apologists and make forums like this one unuseable:
http://www.giyus.org/partners.html
June 28th, 2007 at 6:06 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
So you’re a nut-case as well?!?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:07 pm“Explain the sheared-off lightposts and maybe Ill start to sign on to your theory.
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 6:04 pm”
How about YOU explain it?????
If a plane hit them, they would not have as little damage to them as seen in all the pictures available…..
They certainly would not have landed almost beside, or very near, where they were mounted……
So YOU explain how that happened.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWow! ace just went wild. Look at those anti-semitic screeds…
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Why do you think ace’s latest handful of posts are anti-semitic? Please explain.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:07 pmGo back to sleep and let the intellectuals actually do the thinking, because it is obvious you can’t.
So thats it?
Ill para and rephrase for you:
Bush is a dolt but managed to pull off 911.
Bush is an evil genius but cant manage to hide WMD in the Iraqi desert.
Bush is a doltish evil genius who managed to pull off 911 but couldnt manage to hide WMD in the Iraqi desert.
Try again?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:08 pm#
Wow! ace just went wild. Look at those anti-semitic screeds…
Comment by remember911 — June 28, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Identify one and define why you believe if fits that classification/tactic.
Israel is a country – not a race or a religion.
The nasty quotes above were all stated by Israelis.
Any thoughts about those?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:08 pmI always read ace’s posts with an open mind. I don’t ruminate on it, but just file it away.
Comment by ForTruth — June 28, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
i actually copy/paste them (most) and save in a folder,
right here on the desktop…
if one takes the time – not much, i found out (it’s like a summer
June 28th, 2007 at 6:09 pmpage turner sometimes) – there’s a lot of really good stuff to ponder…
uoy… ponder… ya know it’s all true…
scary…
.
Man,
Is Man just a pseudonym for Dick Cheney? So half of the people on this site couldn’t locate Iraq on a map before 9-11 . . . assume we’re all idiots. Assume that we don’t know where Iraq is (You idiot), assume that if we can’t pinpoint a location, lets just get jiggy and blast the bejeezuz out of the folks that we don’t know . . . little kids limbs flying. . . if we’re a bunch of morons that voted the Moron in Chief into power . . . then Halliburton can get all kinds of no bid contracts paid for with us idjots’ tax dollars . . . the evil eye can reap a 3,256% percent return on his options . . . the Gulf Coast can drown in the suck hole that all those dim-witted southern dems deserve, and hell, I’ll just start a hedge fund. You are a beaut.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:09 pmSo YOU explain how that happened.
Alright. A plane hijacked and piloted by muslim terrorists flew said plane very low which caused the wings to shear-off the lampposts.
Your turn.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:10 pmWhy do you think ace’s latest handful of posts are anti-semitic? Please explain.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Because he thinks that 911 was a conspiracy. Run by Bush, the Saudis, The JooOOOOoooOOOoos, and just about any other jackass you could think of.
He’s out of his mind.
Please, Terry, it is obvious!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 6:10 pmYou cant help it, youre a liberal and libs must constantly proclaim how much they care while simaltaneously doing next to nothing.
Comment by Man
Some of us have empathy for the suffering of others. It’s called having a moral conscience. Obviously you don’t have one but try this, how would you feel if your family was stranded in Iraq? Nevermind, I’m sure you don’t have a family.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:10 pmSo you’re a nut-case as well?!?
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
I think that particular form of argument is called a ’straw man’. You know, where someone puts words in other people’s mouths that they never said and then demolish their argument (well using an ad hominem ‘nut-case’ is’nt really a demolition but we’re off track here).
Some people might say that you were lying about what I said.
- See, I can do straw men too.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:11 pm“Ill para and rephrase for you:
Bush is a dolt but managed to pull off 911.”
Read my damn reply idiot….. Here since YOU have a reading comprehension problem I paste if for your lazy ass…..
He was a party to the event….. Does not mean he “pulled it offâ€â€¦.. More than likely he was told to go along or to watch the movie JFK…..
“Bush is an evil genius but cant manage to hide WMD in the Iraqi desert.”
Read my damn reply idiot….. Here since YOU have a reading comprehension problem I paste if for your lazy ass…..
They tried…… I guess you missed that report of Brewster Jennings stopping a shipment of WMD’s from Turkey??????
“Bush is a doltish evil genius who managed to pull off 911 but couldnt manage to hide WMD in the Iraqi desert.
Try again?
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 6:08 pm”
Read my damn reply idiot….. Here since YOU have a reading comprehension problem I paste if for your lazy ass…..
They tried…… I guess you missed that report of Brewster Jennings stopping a shipment of WMD’s from Turkey??????
June 28th, 2007 at 6:11 pmI don’t know if I want him to live 30 more years to see that he’s wrong, or die earlier. It’s a tough call.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:11 pm“Alright. A plane hijacked and piloted by muslim terrorists flew said plane very low which caused the wings to shear-off the lampposts.
Your turn.
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 6:10 pm”
Not according to the data PROVIDED by the NTSB…….
The plane was at least 300 FT off the ground when it was over the freeway……
NEXT!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 6:12 pmLook, I know that you probable weren’t aware that ace is loony.
So I’m not gonna rub it in your face.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
The only thing worse than cancer is jealousy. Because ace is getting more attention than you it is eating you up, isn’t it. Of course maybe if you concentrated on your own posts instead of somebody else’s people wouldn’t ignore everything you posted.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:13 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
No that is not a straw man.
That was a question.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:13 pmKaty:
Have you read all this stuff yet?
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
Keep copying and reading.
Sadly it’s all true.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:14 pmHe was a party to the event….. Does not mean he “pulled it offâ€â€¦.. More than likely he was told to go along or to watch the movie JFK….
Then perhaps we should ask JFK how the many people who MUST have been involved in such a large conspiracy and operation have stayed singularly silent about their ghastly crime. Not one regret? Not one guilty feeling that causes a tearful admission? Not one breakdown during a drunken confession?
“Bush had them all killed and their bodies buried under the Israeli embassy” in 3…2…1…
June 28th, 2007 at 6:15 pmSome people might say that you were lying about what I said.
- See, I can do straw men too.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Someone might… if he was ace!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 6:15 pmAn ass with a TM belongs no where that I want to share the bright light of full and open discourse. Shouldn’t he have a banner schwatstica up top? (don’t even know how to spell hate, but you read our hate-mongering Nazi and you can just smell it . . . like agent orange in the morning . . . aahhh).
Comment by enuf — June 28, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
This doesn’t even make sense grammatically.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES —
Let me parse it for you. TM is the acronymm for trade mark. It means that you hold a property right in the term and if you use it, you must pay. It’s all about branding and commmercial ownership of ideas. Which is fine if your shilling for a product, but not so appropriate for this forum.
A latter allusion was to the film, Apocolypse Now. “I love the smell of nepalm in the morning.” Actually quite a famous phrase. Skipped right over your head. You may be young, but DeNiro is still amazing. Martin Sheen actually had a heart attack during filming. It’s an American icon in film. Check it out.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:15 pmBush’s Defeated Foe: US Civil Liberty
By Paul Craig Roberts
If anyone had predicted that the election of George W. Bush to the presidency would result in an American police state and illegal wars of aggression, he would have been dismissed as a lunatic.
What American could have imagined that if such crimes and travesties occurred, nothing would be done about them and that the media and opposition party would be largely silent?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15703.htm
WHAT INCIDENT SILENCED THE OPPOSITION PARTY AND THE MEDIA?
THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS – THE ONES THE PRESS SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN EVER OCCURRED.
THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS – THE ONES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FAILS TO REMEMBER WHEN PROCLAIMING THAT AMERICA HAS NOT BEEN STRUCK BY DOMESTIC TERROR SINCE 9/11.
CBS News ran a story recently on the ANTHRAX ATTACKS of five years ago. Their newscast stated that there are no leads, and the FBI is considering designating the attacks a “COLD CASE.”
That is a lie.
The anthrax came from a Rumsfeld-controlled DOD facility.
The Anthrax attacks were against the most prominent media talking heads, and against one member of the media who published photos of the Bush Twins drunk.
The Anthrax Attacks were also against Tom Daschle and other Democrats who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Warrantless Domestic Wire Tapping
Rumsfeld ordered it. Dr. Zack did it. It was US DOD Anthrax.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:16 pmRun by Bush, the Saudis
So ace says 9-11 was a conspiracy run by ‘the Jooos’ because they are jewish – you know to be anti-semitic you have to attribute actions to people solely because they are semitic.
What is obvious is that ace hasn’t said anything of the sort. If he did, then he could just dispense with the links and the documentation and go with ‘911 was a conspiracy. Run by Bush, the Saudis, The JooOOOOoooOOOoos, and just about any other jackass you could think of.’ – oh I see you already did. Irony again, yes?
And I was not aware that W had taken the Torah. Now the Saudis, yes they are semitic as all arabs tend to be, I’ll grant you that.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:16 pmANTHRAX… BUSH… RUMY… CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 6:16 pmYou know, a really good resource to read is Paul Thompson’s book “The Terror Timeline”. It is pretty thick and fairly tedious to get through, but a great resource for the details. It is a comprehensive chronicle of the road to 9/11, going back years but mostly focused around 9/11, using ALL sourced info from MSM. You cannot read it without ending up asking a lot of questions yourself. I learned a LOT that I hadn’t read anywhere else. The next best source that I read was “The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions” by David Ray Griffin. That book really got me to thinking and raised many more questions that have yet to be answered adequately.
I think the most important thing is to look for yourself and ask questions. It doesn’t help anyone anywhere to follow blindly without question. Especially with an Administration in charge of decision and policy-making that has not exactly proved themselves to be so very honest, transparent and forthright. And asking questions is NOT un-American, regardless of what this Administration says..
June 28th, 2007 at 6:17 pm“Then perhaps we should ask JFK how the many people who MUST have been involved in such a large conspiracy and operation have stayed singularly silent about their ghastly crime. Not one regret? Not one guilty feeling that causes a tearful admission? Not one breakdown during a drunken confession?
“Bush had them all killed and their bodies buried under the Israeli embassy†in 3…2…1…
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 6:15 pm”
Wrong…. There has been, I don’t have his name right now but his son took his bedside confession and is trying to write a book…..
This man had details that ONLY someone involved or of knowledge could have provided…..
June 28th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI guess you can add Yitzak Rabin to the list of vile anti-semites. When he was asked to meet with the neo-con Jewish Americans during his last visit to America, he declined and refered to them as “scumbags.”
Not everone thinks that the only way to secure Israel’s right to exist involves reducing its neighbours to rubble or to puppet dictatorships.
The desire to hit Iran is an irrational oil-fueled dream that has festered in neo-con minds since 1979. Iran is quite willing to concede to Israel’s right to exist. And they are not a threat to the USA.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:18 pmOh yeah, a banner is an advertisement that usually appears at the top or on the right or left panel of your screen. Depending upon the popularity of the website, it can be quite expensive to maintain. Advertising, not your brilliant insights, are how websites make money and stay afloat.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:19 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
W is just a pawn in the EVIL EVIL conspiracy, run by AIPAC, PNAC, XANAX and Mossad.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:19 pmYou forgot to tell me what your theory is, it must have slipped your mind so Im reminding you. (Jeopardy theme)
Link to the NTSB report?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIndira Singh, an “IT consultant” who previously worked on a Defense Advanced Research Project, and who was employed by J.P. Morgan on 9/11, in risk management, pointed to MITRE’s role at the FAA during the 9/11 Citizens’ Commission hearings in New York last September.
“Ptech was with MITRE Corporation in the basement of the FAA for two years prior to 9/11,” Singh said. “Their specific job is to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force in the case of an emergency. If anyone was in a position to know that the FAA – that there was a window of opportunity or to insert software or to change anything – it would have been Ptech along with MITRE.”
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=68463
IS DEFENSE CONTRACTOR MITRE CORP.
THE TROJAN HORSE OF 9/11?
COMVERSE INVESTIGATION TIED TO REPORTER’S BEATING AT THE HANDS OF HOMELAND SECURITY GOONS AS POLICE LOOK ON?
Christopher Bollyn, investigative journalist for American Free Press, was beaten and arrested on trumped-up charges at his home in Hoffman Estates, Illinois.
Excerpt:
Apart from my un-disclosable investigation, the other calls were about how Jacob “Kobi” Alexander was able to flee with more than $60 million dollars last week, several months after it was public knowledge that he and the other Israelis working with Comverse Technology, Ltd. had swindled hundred of millions through fraudulent stock options trades. This has been going on for years, and The Wall Street Journal and Globes (Israel) reported the names and the amounts last March. For crying out loud, my newspaper, American Free Press, reported it in April 2005.
I wanted to know from the SEC and the U.S. Attorney’s office how this Kobi Alexander was able to wire $60 million to his account in Israel and flee New York without any body stopping him.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=91920
WHAT ROLE DID COMVERSE PLAY IN THE EVENTS OF 9/11?
Well, according to this 4 part investigative series by FOX News, plenty:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
It turns out that Odigo, the paging system owned by Comverse, was used to alert Israeli Nationals to steer clear of the World Trade Towers fully two hours before the attacks of 9/11.
Comverse is also the company that handles all of the back-end billing for virtually every phone company in the United States – having built-in a backdoor to wiretap nearly every call made.
Israel had spies crawling all over the United States at some of our most sensitive facilities prior to 9/11:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deareportisraelispying.html
Bollyn had also revealed in a prior article that Michael Chertoff is actually a citizen of Israel:
CONTROLLED PRESS HIDES CHERTOFF’S ISRAELI ROOTS
Posted By: ChristopherBollyn
Date: Friday, 4 March 2005, 1:32 p.m.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=66175
Remember that Chertoff had been tasked with tracking the funding behind 9/11 under the name “OPERATION GREENQUEST.†In reality – this was an effort to coverup the funding trail:
“The FBI-Justice move [to take over the investigation], pushed by DOJ Criminal Division chief Michael Chertoff and Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson, has enraged Homeland Security officials, however. They accuse the bureau [Chertoff] of sabotaging Greenquest investigations—by failing to turn over critical information to their agents—and trying to obscure a decadelong record of lethargy [actually criminal obstruction] in which FBI offices failed to aggressively pursue terror-finance cases.
“They (the FBI) won’t share anything with us,†said a Homeland Security official. “Then they go to the White House and they accuse us of not sharing … If they can’t take it over, they want to kill it.â€
June 28th, 2007 at 6:20 pmNo that is not a straw man.
That was a question.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Fox News does it all the time, a question is a great way to pitch a straw man – its closely related to ‘are you still beating you wife’?. Watch the tag line for a bit and count them as they go by: “Is John Edwards …..?” you know the ones I mean.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:20 pmThe JooOOOOoooOOOoos, and just about any other jackass you could think of.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
And referring to Jews as JooOOOOoooOOOoos isn’t anti-semetic?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:20 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Terry if you are Jewish and I have offended you, I apologize.
I was just mocking ace.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:20 pmOK, ace man – too much to read. I can’t keep up. Have to go.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:21 pm“You forgot to tell me what your theory is, it must have slipped your mind so Im reminding you. (Jeopardy theme)”
See post #241
“Link to the NTSB report?
Comment by Man — June 28, 2007 @ 6:19 pm”
See post #268 to lead you to that information.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:22 pmMy dem senator wrote back an unscripted, quite long response justifying the need to invade or at least strike at Iran…
Comment by rockyroad — June 28, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
do the world a favor – WHO is this dem senator?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:22 pmhe needs to hear from more people…
.
I have to go home, but I will pick back up on this at that time.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:23 pmFox News does it all the time, a question is a great way to pitch a straw man – its closely related to ‘are you still beating you wife’?. Watch the tag line for a bit and count them as they go by: “Is John Edwards …..?†you know the ones I mean.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
OK.
You seem like a level-headed individual.
I have fun mocking ace because he is… let’s say, ‘overzealous.’
I do not have a problem with you or any religious denomination.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:23 pmWrong…. There has been, I don’t have his name right now but his son took his bedside confession and is trying to write a book…..
This man had details that ONLY someone involved or of knowledge could have provided…..
Same league as the ‘anonymous source’ or ’some poll I saw’.
Gong! You can do better than that. If true, the son would have no problem getting the book published; Soros would buy a publishing company just to get it on the shelves.
Feel free to link to ANYTHING connected to this guy’s confession, and dont waste my time with sites such as “BUSHKILLEDMYDOG.com”
June 28th, 2007 at 6:23 pm#
I was just mocking ace.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
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Because you have virtually zero facts to refute anything I post.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:23 pmTerry if you are Jewish and I have offended you, I apologize.
I was just mocking ace.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
No need to apologize, I’m not offended by anything you’ve said. I’m not jewish, I’m a turtle – circumcision is not an option.
Enjoyed waving my flippers over the keys…. must go eat some sushi.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:24 pmEnjoyed waving my flippers over the keys…. must go eat some sushi.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 28, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Sounds like a good idea.
Maybe I’ll do the same, see ya.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:25 pmJG, who is Paul Thompson?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:26 pmIf Bush is permitted to invade Iran, the new Chinese\Russian military will most likely launch a counter offensive, and throw us out of the entire region, wiping out our forces in Iraq.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI’m still realing from the visual of a naked pair (bush/cheney) with woodies..Can’t happen BTW…First off every one know’s drunk’s can’t get it up and old fat men can’t find it, up or down..LOL…Blessings
June 28th, 2007 at 6:30 pmNo unit?
11 Bravo explains it though. You should have scored higher on your ASVABs
June 28th, 2007 at 6:34 pmG, who is Paul Thompson?
Comment by enuf — June 28, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
He is a freelance researcher and creator of Center for Cooperative Complete 9/11 Timeline (www.cooperativeresearch.org).
June 28th, 2007 at 6:35 pmHis online timeline is very thorough and is constantly being updated with more information.
Keltoi,
When Iran says that it wants to wipe Isreal off the map, most lucid folks take notice. But . . .
First take into account that I genuinely support Israel and my jewish friends and family.
Second, gotta say, the jews in Isreal treat the Palestinians horribly. It’s atrocious.
Third, as Faryeed Zacharia (sp?) explains, before the state of Israel was formed, Jews and Arabs got along just fine. Just as blacks and whites in America have not only come to terms we are one, as are Jews and Christians in my American community. Israel must take responsibility. The US is not at the beck and call of Israel – or at leat we shouldn’t be. Israel must appreciate and respect its neighbors.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:36 pmremember911
June 28th, 2007 at 6:36 pmyou have not been doing enough research – if you do enough research you will find that the evidence does indeed point to Bush Cheney being very involved in it.
They are traitors to our country and should pay for their crimes. (ps Cheney ordered the Anthrax attacks)
They are traitors to our country and should pay for their crimes. (ps Cheney ordered the Anthrax attacks)
It is interesting to remember that it was reported in a couple of news sources after 9/11 that reported that Cheney had ordered his staff to start taking CIPRO weeks before the anthrax attacks began. (President Bush also started taking CIPRO weeks before). CIPRO is the drug of choice to treat patients exposed to Anthrax.
Now, would a rational person look at that and want to ask why? (As in were they just psychic or was this planned)?
Or would a rational person just look the other way and just call it a coincidence and let it go?
Don’t you think that is worthy of asking questions and getting real answers? If you remember, more than 22 people developed anthrax infections, with 11 of the especially life-threatening inhalation variety. Five died of inhalation anthrax and the country was put into another state of fear on the heals of the attack of 9/11. It directly influenced the speedy passing of a very significant law which resulted in the erosion of our civil liberties, allowed for wider surveillance of American citizens, the indefinite detention of suspects without being charged, and opened that door to torture. It was a power grab for the executive branch that gave them more power with less accountability.
It is worthy of investigation and necessary HARD questions need to be asked and answered.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:07 pmJG:
The media knows, the Senate knows – they ALL KNOW.
It’s simply that big.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:09 pmFirst of all, we have recently had confirmed to us that NOTHING is done at the direction of the “president”. In fact, we have found out that he is a very minor player in the White House. This all comes from Dick Cheney and his one man government!!!!
Cheney wants to bomb Iran. Bush couldn’t even find it on a map. The party boy is not in charge. He is the distraction.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:33 pmIf the Anthrax attacks were targeted towards Repukes, you bet someone would have been found guilty for that, and sentenced to death for it.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:55 pmMy opinion of the anthrax attacks – some copycat sociopath who wanted to grab the headlines. He leans Republican in politics. So some kind of Eric Rudolph / Unabomber character – and just like those two, they’ll get him in the end.
I’m no psychoanalyst but I did see an episode of The Closer last night – Kevin Bacon, your honey is way hot!
June 28th, 2007 at 8:02 pmBecause you have virtually zero facts to refute anything I post.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
ace,
No one is going to research your three-year-old conspiracy articles.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:25 pmJG:
The media knows, the Senate knows – they ALL KNOW.
It’s simply that big.
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
LOL
ace, I hope for your sake that this was a name-jacking!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 8:26 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
but YOU’re too chicken to even READ those posts…
THIS is a special truth:
“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
THINK
Comment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
June 28th, 2007 at 8:41 pm.
Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Yup. Pretty much describes supporters of TRAITOR Bush.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:54 pmComment by ace — June 28, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Nope. I read a couple.
Let me paraphrase:
Some dude whose name is like Chertski, Chertnovich or something, was the only guy that Clinton kept to do whatever. What is so special about Cherniski? Well it just so happens that he is also an Israeli citizen.
By the way, did I mention that the Patriot Act was written BEFORE 911?
BY THE ISRAELIS!!!!!!!!
BUSH!!!!!!!CHENEY!!!!!!!!!!CHERNIOFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 9:14 pmoops, that comment was really meant for
Comment by katy — June 28, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
June 28th, 2007 at 9:14 pm#277 Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
ANTHRAX… BUSH… RUMY… CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PIP, are screaming into a megaphone because you think no one is listening? You seem to do a lot of it. Maybe you are hard of seeing? er, hearing?
June 28th, 2007 at 9:39 pmCHENEY 2008!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 9:48 pmCHENEY 2008!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
There you go again! tsk, tsk. You even scream your name!
June 28th, 2007 at 9:56 pmCHENEY 2008!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
June 28th, 2007 at 10:05 pmRoger Roger wrote: “If talking fails, we either bomb or invade full scale. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to wait until they have a bomb. That would be nuts.”
Why would talking fail? Would it be because Iran has no respect for Bush The Invader? (Not to mention Blair The Poodle Invader.)
You are using the old “Attack them before they attack us” argument. The reality is the reverse of the propaganda. For example…
Prior to Shock and Awe, the reality regarding Iraq was:
“America poses a threat to the safety and security of Iraq.”
Now the reality regarding Iran is:
“America poses a threat to the safety and security of Iran.”
Don’t forget that America is the only nation that has used nukes – Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:08 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
Your subtelty is overwhelming! Somewhat like a bull in a china shop. (You don’t like that?????????? Then I’ll break everything in the store. How do you like that!!!!!!!!! Thptttt.) Scream on PIP, It only gets “hilarious” from here.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:23 pmCHENEY 2008!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
June 28th, 2007 at 10:28 pm#318 Comment by Martin Gifford — June 28, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
Don’t forget that America is the only nation that has used nukes – Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Yes, and I have heard the trolls argue here that that shows how strong and great we are!
I have not found a neocon that is not operating out of fear! And they understand how to turn reality upside down by using that fear they know so well, on everybody else.
They are frightened, like little children who wake to see the shadow on the wall, and see a boogy man in their room. They scream for their daddy to slay the apparition and cheer him when he does.
And now, as little children in grownup bodies, they act out their fears with real guns and bombs on enemies created in the fantasies of their little minds.
IQs and Mensa have been brought up, as if these things have anything to do with the psychology involved in the neocon mind. These are sociopaths of the most dangerous order. Reason and logic, not to mention things like empathy, are simply not in their makeup. There is no value in discussion with seriously disturbed people. They argue with facts only to justify their insanity.
It has been convincingly shown by Justin Frank, in his book, “Bush On The Couch.” that “W” is a megalomanic and suffering from ADHD. A terribly disturbed dry drunk who has taken on the persona of a “man close to god.” That he needs therapy is a given. Driven by fear (and perhaps guile) he sees, as his salvation, future generations setting him alongside Churchill and Lincoln. That he is delusional is shown as well, by his bragging about how big and strong and great he is. Great men spend their time solving problems, not worrying about their place in the history books.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:51 pm#320 Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
HAAAHaaaHaaa
Thanks for providing the humor. I love when I get my wish.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:54 pmPIP has gone insane. I’m not sure why he’s so unwilling to debate the moderates on this thread, except that he’s a moral coward.
PIP, there’s no need to debunk every conspiracy theory. Afterall, what we know by the CIA’s own admission is scary enough. And the “Family Jewels” released this week was mostly about crazy conspiracies that failed. I would like to know more about the criminal CIA schemes that succeeded.
Admittedly, the thought of Ahmadinejad getting nukes isn’t comforting. But Iran is a few years away and Ahmadinejad is not the supreme ruler and isn’t likely to survive the next election as he’s not done too well in domestic policy. (How like American politics!)
I am, however, very frightened that two warmongering nutcases like Bush & Cheney have the power to nuke anyone they choose and they have an arsenal of thousands of nukes with which to do it. In nearly every Doomsday scenario, it was the possiblility that some deluded President or Soviet premier pushing the red button and killing all humanity that moved the hand so close to midnight. And now we see how easily it was for a deluded and inarticulate man to become president and for a manipulative SOB to set up a parallel government as Vice President.
These guys might just attack Iran this fall. And Iran will then destroy the US Army in Iraq and the US Navy in the Gulf. And that will be the end of the US empire.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:15 pmAn incident used as an excuse. Would the US, the benevolent superspower tale a page out of Putin’s book and permit an attck to occur if it would perpetuate their cause?
Remember the horrible bombing of a five-story apartment complex in Moscow a few years ago. Poottie, as Bush so lovingly refers to the dictator, attributed the horror to Chechnyan rebels, providing grounds for a harsh crackdown in retaliatio. Pootie did it. He killed innocent civilians, blamed it on a goup he dubs terrorists. Yep, the war on “terror” didn’t start here, it just seemed like such a good idea.
Dub’ya, say it ain’t so. You didn’t.
I think you did.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:00 amIt has been convincingly shown by Justin Frank, in his book, “Bush On The Couch.†that “W†is a megalomanic and suffering from ADHD. A terribly disturbed dry drunk who has taken on the persona of a “man close to god.†That he needs therapy is a given. Driven by fear (and perhaps guile) he sees, as his salvation, future generations setting him alongside Churchill and Lincoln. That he is delusional is shown as well, by his bragging about how big and strong and great he is. Great men spend their time solving problems, not worrying about their place in the history books.
Comment by Merlin — June 28, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
I agree. Great book. Bush many disturbing events as a child from which he may not have recovered, or come to terms. I do not feel particularly safe with a man like him in the WH.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:09 amCHENEY 2008!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
CHENEY 2008!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
CHENEY 2008!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
CHENEY 2008!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:25 amIn February, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh wrote a piece in The New Yorker revealing that the Bush administration was setting its sights heavily on Iran, planning for a “possible bombing attack“:
And the previous February he was saying that they were already conducting covert sabotage operations for pending bombing attacks.
So in reality Hersh is reporting that the Bush Administration has decreased it’s desire to attack Iran, as this is now only a desire rather than something that was already covertly under way.
Oh and that he’s been fed BS when it comes to Iran, as per your own archives of his claims over the past couple of years.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:22 am6 years on and still nobody willing to explain the first “false flag” of Cheney’s.
The striking lack of Iraqis involved in the hijackings, the group responsible, having any connection no matter how slim to the group responsible.
The overwhelming links to Saudi Arabia that would have been Bush/Cheney’s last preference right below having Swedish hijackers.
It’s never explained how a non-retarded person could consider this a “false-flag” attack when no nations were implicated and those that logically were are completely absolved.
June 29th, 2007 at 6:51 amI’m in un belief over this.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:58 amI hope the world can survive until 2009 and we can download these clowns. We must never fall alsleep and let this happen to our country again!!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 10:34 amOn a generational piece in Iraq:
Unfortunately Bush may well be right. Just like any nation embroiled in chaos there’s the distinct possibility Iraq will be a peaceful nation twenty years from now. This is what’s left in the wake of a nuclear holocaust.
One could equally predict that in twenty years our very own country will turn into today’s Iraq.
Furthermore, the proposed details of the hydrocarbon law–which the mainstream media refuses to examine–would open access and control of a majority of Iraq’s oil fields to top U.S. mult-national corporations.
Obviously this means that the assumption that Iraq become a peaceful, democratic nation would assume that the acquisition of the only resource that has provided the Iraqis food, shelter and health care will somehow be able to coincide with peace.
This is such an amazingly ignorant belief–talking point–which just adds to the whole “Blood for Oil” deal. The real question is this: is this deliberate or is it true that Bush is merely Cheney’s puppet, a man grossly incapable and incompetent of reality.
To me, both apply.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:20 amLet’s pretend for a moment that we’re not actually low-intelligence apes intent on our own destruction, but highly intelligent animals who have finally realized that the good of other peoples, is our own good.
Scratch that thought …
June 29th, 2007 at 5:10 pmI can’t buy the theory that Commander Blinky Bunnypants & Co. perpetrated 9/11. But I do have a strong suspicion that they knew it, or something like it, was coming and deliberately did nothing to prevent it, knowing it would give the neo-cons the “Pearl Harbor” they needed to get America to buy into their imperial fantasy.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pmdartagnan
you said it, and very well too. I’ve heard Pearl Harbour was similar.
But remember, we’re not quite in our right minds here. We might even be conspiracy theorists (i.e. those who dare to mention what is possible, or actual).
bc
June 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pmAnother messy thread! There have been countless millions of words but little real action. Isn’t it about time we thought of getting a nexus together, start making a collection to buy airtime on national TV (don’t laugh!)?
If everyone who has hammered away here and on countless other sites about the evils of the neocon cabal and the huge, ugly discrepancies in the official 9/11 story put $10 where their mouth is…that should buy enough time to get the essentials out to slumberland.
Heck, enough co-ordination and we could probably rent a weeks space on a Venezuelan channel…
June 29th, 2007 at 5:55 pmI can’t imagine anyone wanting to wait until they have a bomb. That would be nuts.
Hey, guess what Rog? The North Koreans probably have at least a dozen nukes right now and for some reason they havn’t dropped one on anybody yet. Not only that, we’re still busy talking to them about shutting down their nuclear reactor.
Now, doesn’t that suggest that maybe we have some other options regarding Iran besides going to war with them (don’t forget that N. Korea’s supposed to be part of the Axis of EEEEEvil)?
Dontcha think?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/nuke.htm
June 29th, 2007 at 6:50 pmIn 20 years I hope to still remember how scumbag Bush was almost crying over dead American WW-II soldiers in Maastricht, The Netherlands, knowing that his granddad Prescott Bush financed Hitler.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:43 pmHis whole family thrives on war.
Small neutron bombs will be used on Iran and its nuke installations and these bombs leave little fall-out. Neutron bomb-flash radiation kills living things, but leaves buildings and installations, such as oilfields, intact. The US won’t occupy all of Iran, only the oil regions south of Ahvas. The rest of Iran will be bombed and cruise-missiled into the stone age. This will delight Sunni Moslems. US casualties should be minimal. Then it will be Venezuela’s turn, but all that jungle might make things a bit tricky. Better let the Brazilians seize the oilfields…
However, of course, what George and Dick don’t realise is that the US officer corps is 80 years out of date, inefficient, wasteful, and barely able to write or join up the letters in words such as ‘computer’ or ‘technology’. Hence, it will all go wrong, as in Iraq, and on 9/11. So best not to attack Iran until the military top brass is reformed and completely purged of incompetents and wackos.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:43 pmSeymour Hersh is one of the few heros still around.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:49 pm>ace: The hurry is that if we bomb them first, they won’t set up another 9/11.
Comment by remember911
>Uh. What? Islamists brought down WTC and the second wave waged chemical warfare. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Comment by remember911
>Born in SA. Affiliated with an Afghan/Iraqi terrorist organization. We can’t pass the sins of the sons to their fathers, now can we?
Comment by remember911
Remember911, your arguments are painfully hemorrhaging with ignorance, incoherence, and irrationality. Let’s start by rectifying your misinformation.
First, neither the Iranian nor Iraqi government were ever implicated in the 9/11 attacks; this is the official conclusion of the Bush administration. If you disagree, the burden of proof is yours. Second, the anthrax attacks were never successfully pinned on anyone, much less the Iranian government. Third, anthrax is a biological, not a chemical, weapon.
Next, I will address your advocation of a preemptive strike against Iran. This dynamic is know a ‘Hobbesian Trap.’ When both parties believe the other is willing to strike first, the only logical strategy is to preempt the enemy, even if neither side actually wishes to fight. This makes the current hard-line policy of gunboat diplomacy a very dangerous game, especially if the Iranians have a nuclear ace up their sleeve.
Your implicit assumption that Iran would launch a nuclear first strike, when not being threatened with first strike themselves is ill-founded. If Iran were to detonated an atomic weapon on US soil, we would turn their country into glass; this fact has not escaped their leadership. The Mullahs are not so irrational as to wish this upon themselves and their entire nation.
As far as a solution to the impasse goes, there is a viable diplomatic option. Iran has indicated they are willing to abandon their nuclear ambitions in return for a security guarantee — that is to say we will ensure neither the US nor Israel, both nuclear armed states, will attack Iran. This does not strike me as an unreasonable alternative to the current course-of-action: bomb them and start WW IV.
As for your shabby guilt-by-association thesis, have you actually considered the implications of such a position? The only thing connecting the official perpetrators of 9/11 to the Iranians is their religion and even this is tenuous at best. Would you be willing to hold the entire Christian community responsible for the acts of a radical Christian terrorist group? This dynamic is impossible to reconcile without holding a double standard.
I eagerly await your flaccid retort.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:50 pmOne problem with the Bush Jr. – Churchill comparison is that while Winston Churchill was a master of the English language, Bush Jr is barely able to string together two consecutive sentences without violating several rules of grammar, logic and common sense. And, this is after his exposure to Yale and Harvard, not to mention the obvious lessons in public speaking (stressing diicckktt-shuunn I’m sure). What would a poorly educated Bush Jr be like? I’m thinking maybe something like the backwoods (male) rapist in the famous novel/movie Deliverance – “…you just drop them panties…”
June 30th, 2007 at 2:19 amI like the term delusional although it does not go far enough to describe what really is going on in the White House, its almost schizophrenic and messianic the extent that Bush and Cheney believe that Iran will be a pushover and will quail under their might power.
Historically, Iran has been the very bane of America in the 20th century, each time America with toadying Britain reached out to interfere in Iran it went wrong, blew up in thier collective faces and they lost a heck of a lot each time in monetary, credibility values.
We know since the Enterprise has steamed to join the other carriers that the game is on, that their plans are near to fruition, Cheney really does believe his own bull that Iran is some backward nation ready to fight back with the equivalent of spears and rocks, this is a very very big mistake for the US because Russia has quietly armed Iran to the teeth with state of the art hardware and yes we know Iran is going to get pounded into the ground pretty much but unlike Iraq it is likely that Iran will more than bloody Bush’s nose.
I believe it will be triggered by the US sailing one of its ships into range of the Iranian SunBurns, not just any old ship either but a carrier no less as this will be iconic for the American people to unite with and the well oiled media machine will whip up a frenzy in the US and its allies to punish Iran for such a heinous crime.
This is the trap, its ironic that Churchill ordered the scuttling of HMS Ark Royal who could have been save but Churchill and the propaganda team of HM Government thought it better that such a tragedy would unify the British people further into defying the Germans.
Maybe Bush and Blair will be remembered in 20-30 years, let us hope that it is for the singular fact that these men were remembered for facing the justice for what they have done, for their war crimes, for their bringing to the brink of armageddon this planet.
But ask yourselves this… Do you have the courage to resist, to stop this, to bring about an end to this because if your politicians cannot, what chance do you have?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:46 amComparing our “Glorious Leader” Bush to Mussolini is an insult… to Mussolini.
At least Mussolini made the Italian trains run on time.
Bush thinks he’ll be appreciated in 20 years? Hopefully, he’ll be appreciated by his cell mate sooner than that.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:02 amWhen proof is finally established that you Amerikans did 911 yourselves so you could get off on your ’slaughter-wars’ of the muslims you are gonna have ONE BILLION suicide bombers on your doorstep.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:33 amFor someone to say that our government would sail a multi-billion dollar strategic military asset housing five thousand-plus American sailors into a hostile position simply to provroke a situation that would warrant declaring war on Iran is absolutely ludacris.
Those of you that think that the American government does not give a rat’s a$$ about American lives are sadly mistaken. Loss of life is not something that is taken lightly on any level. It happens, yes… But until you’ve served for your country will you fully understand this. Not to discount the lives of our brave men and women proudly serving out country (I am one of them), but does it really make sense to place the most powerful military asset ever conceived, besides our ballistic missle submarines, into harms way intentionally? Not so much…
Ian, seriously… If Iran was fighting with spears and rocks, would they be that much of a concern to world affairs? You can’t bring down the Twin Towers (may they rest in peace) with spears and rocks. Iran wasn’t involved with 9/11 blah blah blah. There’s evidence that Iran is currently housing/funding radical Islamic groups. If you have some top secret CIA information that proves otherwise, please share. Then I can email you at your jail cell for knowing way more than you should know. Why must you glorify the superior military might of Iran anyways? If Iran, or some terriorst group that they support, sends a nuke into your neighborhood, which I’m guessing isn’t rual-everyday Americana, are you going to cheer on the fact that they’ve really bloodied Bush’s nose and sent your kids to heaven? I can tell you that I sure as hell won’t and those who are feeling the affects of it won’t either. I’ll be one of the first to get on my knees and pray for both you and your family for all that you have suffered.
The war on Iraq is still up for debate. (Whole other topic I’m not going to touch.) There’s people on both sides of the fence. The confidence of the American public is shattered currently. The polls support that. Despite the current administration, we cannot abandon our government and dismiss the state of world affairs simply because of the malicious stance towards foreign affairs. We leave ourselves vulnerable this way.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:13 amBush and Cheney should be banished to Israel, where their allegiances reside. They are traitors to the Republic and Constitution.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:14 am@Are you serious – you can’t be!
“The war on Iraq is still up for debate.”
What utter garbage! I’m not surprised that it’s a “(Whole other topic I’m not going to touch.)”
The UN declared the 2nd Iraq war illegal – isn’t that enough for you?
“Those of you that think that the American government does not give a rat’s a$$ about American lives are sadly mistaken. Loss of life is not something that is taken lightly on any level.”
More rubbish! Katrina, anyone? Vietnam?
“You can’t bring down the Twin Towers (may they rest in peace) with spears and rocks. ”
Indeed you cannot BUT you can bring them down with Global Hawk (for Shock) and some well placed thermate (for Awe)!
I think you need to spend some time getting brain into gear and doing the research – you are living in the neocon fantasyland, judging by your scurrilous post.
Start here:-
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com
http://www.911mysteries.com – watch their film ‘Demolition’
Also, perhaps you should remember that Seymour Hersh exposed the Mai Lai massacre and thereby started the process of bringing the Vietnam war (in which I was at the sharp end) to a close.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:49 ambrando: “this administration was a complete, utter, unmitigated failure”
I think you give them too much credit, as if they “really wanted to do a good thing, but failed.”
I see them as a huge success in doing a very, very evil thing. They never wanted to free up the oil in Iraq: they wanted to shut off the spigot. They never wanted to install democracy in Iraq: they wanted to destroy that civilization and all its history.
They and their allies are creating the problems, sending in SAS commandos, for example, in Basra, dressed as Arabs, with the trunk of the car laden with IUDs, another incident (two actually, now the minarets) technicians spending hours in the Golden Mosque placing explosives and doing an excellent job of it (check out this story on my website Who is this smirking monster behind Condie?
June 30th, 2007 at 7:59 amWhat does he know about the destruction of the Golden Mosque of Samarra?
What’s ludicrous is when people spell it “ludacris” because the name of the band is the first (and only) time they’ve seen the word in print.
L. ludus — a game, ludicrum, “a joke, sport”, ending “-ous” = L. -osus, “full of”
June 30th, 2007 at 8:11 amIt makes me want to tear my hair out, reading the pontification of people who don’t know the first thing about American history, who never heard of Mohammed Mossadegh and Anglo-Persian, Jacobo Arbenz and United Fruit, probably not even Salvador Allende, Fritz Thyssen, Hjalmar Schacht and the BIS, the Dulles Bros. and Bormann capital flight, never heard of MG Smedley Darlington Butler, USMC (d. 1940) or Gerald MacGuire who tried to bribe him, think Operation Northwoods is part of Outward Bound!
Oy! My head is splitting!
June 30th, 2007 at 8:20 amthe world has an acue “jewish” problem, and there really is the need for a final solution………killing jews is self defence…….every jew a PEARL.
June 30th, 2007 at 8:50 amI think muslim “extremists” should target jewish interests and schools in the ‘kwa.
June 30th, 2007 at 8:52 amI respectfully request that comments 323 and 324 be deleted. These are either the comments of a madman and fool, or, more likely, a neocon shill of the Rockefellers trying to “bad-jacket” our very reasonable comments.
Please remove this crap as soon as possible, and ban his log-on
June 30th, 2007 at 9:37 amBy the way, there is a Hebrew name for such tactics as this: it is called הסברה (hasbarah), translated “propaganda”, or, more generally “explanation”.
But frequently there is no explanation at all, merely a straw-man impersonation of a monster. These posters are classically called agents provocteurs, and their purpose is either to lead fools into crimes for which we innocent patriots can then be blamed, or merely that we should be tarred with such mindless drivel.
Damn you, asshole!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:47 amprovocateurs — sorry
June 30th, 2007 at 9:50 am‘are you serious’ commented ‘does it really make sense to place the most powerful military asset ever conceived, besides our ballistic missle submarines, into harms way intentionally?’
Quite true. Therefore, my guess is it will be an obsolete British aircraft carrier destroyed by a fake ‘Iranian’ missile (captured in South Lebanon) and tipped with a small nuke launched by a US-led special black ops team from a lonely Iranian beach. This will justify US use of its own nukes, neutron bombs and other secret weopons. Any evidence will be at the bottom of the Persian Gulf.
To the British the ‘bulldog spirit and Churchill’ will come into play, and of course the US will immediately come to the rescue of its ally.
People are reluctant to look into the abyss. But my conclusions are:- we’re not looking into the abyss – WE ARE ALREADY DEEP INTO THE ABYSS! Let’s not pull punches here or be euphemistic: a ruthless and amoral GOVERNMENT MURDER SYNDICATE has gained control of the top echelons of executive government in the US. It committed a despicable atrocity on 9/11 against the US Constitution and the American People to further its own nefarious agenda. And it has been given, by a supine and negligently complicit House of Representatives, Senate, and Supreme Court, complete control of all Federal and State armed forces and Police and unfettered control of nuclear and other weopons and the right to so use these forces where and whenever they so wish. It also controls NATO, and those member countries contribute to its resources and power. At any time foreign wars could be initiated on totally false, lying pretexts. At any time massive domestic repression could be unleashed to bolster those wars and suppress revolution (The real purpose of FEMA)!
What has happened to the Constitution? What has happened to all those ‘checks and balances’ that were supposed to prevent dictatorship, ‘kingship’ and tyranny?
Can the computerised electoral machinery be trusted, or is that also hopelessly compromised and contaminated like the mainstream media?
The only hope is that by piecing together what evidence is availabe and interpreting in a plausible way the events of 9/11 and and all related surrounding issues, an undercurrent of anger can be generated that may lead to some sort of remedy, while there is still time.
‘are you serious’ is proudly serving his/her country. Well, so was John O’Neill, but he knew or guessed at the truth of the illegality and immorality of black ops, and he tried to expose it to get it stopped. But whom can he expose it to when the military top brass and head honchos Bush and Cheyney are suspected to be in on it?
It is my suspicion that the timing of the demolition charges being set off (and maybe that of the planes striking the towers) is in some way connected with John O’Neill, the Head of WTC security. IT WAS HIS FIRST DAY AT HIS NEW JOB! Where do you go on your first day: you report to your office in WTC and meet your new staff. What do you do:- you have a tour of inspection of your site, looking at all areas of risk, such as elevator shafts and other off-limit areas. HE WOULD HAVE FOUND THE BUILDINGS LACED WITH DEMOLITION CHARGES! But he was never allowed to find them because at 08:45 the first plane struck. But he was not killed then. So what he did and where he went during the attack needs to be thoroughly examined. My suspicion is that as soon as his whereabouts was known in one of the towers, that tower was ‘pulled’ to kill him.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:52 am“People are reluctant to look into the abyss.”
“Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zu seh’n daß er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird.
Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.”
June 30th, 2007 at 10:06 amcensorship and the communist jew walk hand in hand……every jew a PEARL.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 am“It also controls NATO . . .”
That’s nothing new — Operation Gladio was NATO (translation CIA & MI6 and nobody else) creating a “stay-behind” underground in mostly Italy and Germany, ostensibly to prevent them “falling to the Commies”, but really to prevent the “progress” and benefits to the big Industrialists (Fiat, Pirelli, I G Farben, Vereinigte Stahlverke, &c.) made during the Fascist & Nazi era from diappearing. They pulled off bombings all over Europe, most notably the train station in Bologna, but also school buses (concentrating on the tenderest sentiments of the people), and successfully blamed them on the Red Brigades and the Baader-Meinhoff gang. They were responsible for the death of Aldo Moro (see “Chi a ucciso Aldo Moro?” by Webster Tarpley). Postwar PM Giulio Andreotti later admitted to Gladio’s complicity in the bombings, though apparently not the Moro kidnapping.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:25 am“Can the computerised electoral machinery be trusted?”
Absolutely not. There is absolutely no excuse for its existence, and any public official who supports its continuance must be hounded from office 24-7.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:26 amI can see Bush as Churchill…of the America portrayed in IDIOCRACY. “Winnie”/”W” have a little flock of worshippers…Churchill–the actors who impersonated him, even, I believe, delivering the famous “We will fight them on the beaches…” speech, was quite impressive, in an age when speech was appreciated. “W”– with his emphasis on trying to look ’studly’ and macho, is a purely psychological manifestation…he appeals to the bastard…the fatherless…the ignorant…the ‘wanna-be-famous’ who are powerless.
Bush wasn’t picked for his brains, he was picked to be a political ‘face’ representing financial and power interests. That’s why he has so little regard for what polls say…when his terms over, those interests will have another ‘face’ and psychological mix of traits to gain support and continue business as usual in the Idiocracy.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:30 am“It is my suspicion that the timing of the demolition charges being set off (and maybe that of the planes striking the towers) is in some way connected with John O’Neill, the Head of WTC security. ”
The Hidden government love to, and congratulate themselves for, getting multiple plums from single atrocities. Not only was 9-11 O’Neill’s first day on the job, but the only part of the Pentagon that was damaged was occupied by accountants looking into the question of where the $2.3 Trillion had gone, as Rumsfeld had announced the day before.
Likewise in building 7 were the paper records of massive SEC investigations into insider trading, all of which involved the same criminals we are talking about.
BTW, Serge, nice work.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:33 amBush is much more like Hitler than like Churchill. Which of the two used trumped up excuses to invade other countries? Which of the two condones torture to extract “confessions” in secret prisions? Which of the two abolished habeous corpus?
Bush is like a retarded Hitler, but with 10’s of thousands of nukes. Retarded, and perhaps even crazier than Hitler. If he really believes that Christian fundamentalist BS, we could be in BIG trouble. For he would be the first fundamentalist fanatic with the power to make the old “End of the World” fantasy come true.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:33 amGeorge, the Sociopath-in-Chief and Dick, the Anti-Christ will destroy us all. Einstein said World WarIII will be fought with nuclear weapons and World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. That is of course, if there are any of us left.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:24 amNO, the FIRE this time.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pmAttacking Iran: It’s coming, and there’s not much we can do to stop it and stop us from losing our civil liberties…
Mixter
June 30th, 2007 at 12:30 pmYeah.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pmChurchill of 1918.
The man responsible for Gallipoli.
Churchill of 1943. Italy as soft underbelly – chewing up the U.S.Army.
Churchill odf “Nothing but unconditional surrender” – without bothering to tell FDR that that was the deal.
Bush doesn’t know Churchill’s history-
or many other things.
I cannot urge people enought to stock up on canned goods, non perishable foods, gold bullion, and make sure your ammo and firearms are in good order and well dispersed.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:43 pmUmh, no they don’t believe that they are protecting us, they’re suffering from imperial hubris.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAll is not lost.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:14 pmAfter all, if the rest of the world got together, their combined military spending would almost match ours. Under these circumstances, they might have a fighting chance to stop us….
Bush and Cheney’s being compared as mental patients is an insult to mental patients the world over. Delusional is not the word for these incomprehensible pricks. They are a self-reinforcing delusion of their own making. I would liken them to Hitler and/or Stalin but I strongly feel that would be an insult to Hitler and Stalin. At least Hitler and Stalin could sell evil and had charisma to pull it off- And btw, people in power who have the ability to stop these assholes and don’t- well they are simply Bush and Cheney professional mimes… How did this shit happen. I mean really- why haven’t they been lynched? And lastly, I don’t recall Churchill ever thumping his chest like a drunk Gorilla saying “I’m the decider”.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:26 pmOf course Bush and Cheney did not personally organize and carry-out 9-11. Osama and Al-Qaida did, and they used airplanes to do it, with Saudi hijackers. There may have been explosives planted as well, but that doesn’t mean the planes hijacked by Al-Qaida never happened. So to say that no one is smart enough to pull off a conspiracy and keep it quiet is a straw man argument. Osama/Al-Qaida did do it, no question.
But wait… Osama and Al-Qaida were financed and created by the Reagan/Bush CIA (former CIA director- G. Bush Sr., Cheney-Defense Secretary) to defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan (somehow W. managed to convince idiot voters in 2001 that he was the Washington outsider- ha!- they were the ultimate insiders of all time). And the Bushes and the Saudis (including the Bin Laden family) have been in bed together for decades in the oil and defense industries. Read “House of Bush, House of Saud” by Craig Unger. And Bush let Bin Laden go at Tora Bora after Al-Qaida had served his purpose of helping turn the US into a militarized corporate fascist state (and let many Bin Ladens and other Saudis fly out of U.S. without questioning them right after 9-11 when all planes were grounded). Even though he swore to get him dead or alive, BushCo let Bin Laden go. He continues to be their most useful bogey-man. And the US gov’t thwarted every attempt to pursue Bin Laden in 2001 before 9-11 despite many warnings that a major attack was coming in U.S. (Al Qaida specialist John O’Neill quit the FBI in disgust in August, 2001 and took job as securityry chief in WTC, where he died on 9-11). Whistle-blowers in FBI who warned about Muslims in flight schools were ignored or intimidated. And last year Bush scrapped the CIA unit tasked to pursue Al-Qaida. And the Anthrax had nothing to do with Muslims. It was from US labs, sent to Democratic and media opponents of BushCo, and never followed up on- no arrests or indictments- although the anthrax attacks only served to further scare the population and facilitate Patriot Act, etc. And of course, there have been no attacks in the US since 9-11, even though we have done virtually nothing to secure our ports and borders, and even though BushCo and FOX constantly tell us how vulverable we are and use every opportunity to scare us about terrorism, especially around election time. And Osama is still alive and Bush is “honestly not that concerned about him”. All the attacks by Al-Qaida on US in late-90’s (USS Cole, embassies, etc.) did nothing but make Clinton and the Dems look weak on defense, which helped Bush steal the election in 2001 (plus vote fraud and big brother Jeb of course). Without the threat of Osama and Al-Qaida, BushCo has nothing! So who do you think really gives him his orders? He’s the best thing that ever happened to George W. Bush.
Osama-Saudis-CIA-Big Oil/Defense-Bushes-Cheney: all in bed together and always have been. And oil is now at record highs (BushCo wins, Saudis win), oil and defense profits at all time highs, and there are no meters on iraqi oil pumps, so we have no idea how much is being pumped. We didn’t invade Iraq (which was planned way before 9-11 and pushed by PNAC) for cheap oil (why would BushCo want oil cheap anyway?)- we invaded to CONTROL Iraqi oil and supress Iraqi production to send global oil prices through the roof! Meanwhile billions disappear to corruption in Iraq (Halliburton- Cheney’s stock is through the roof). And impeachment is “off the table”?!?!?
Osama is still free. But are you?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:27 pmI believe that one day 20 – 30 years from now, Sy Hersh will be remembered as a true patriot.
On the other hand, bush, cheney and the rest of this murderous administration will be remembered as the insane psychopaths that almost destroyed the United States of America
June 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pmWhat an unthinkable strategy.!..bomb Iran? OK, it is TIME for the US Congress to pass legislation to bar Bushco from attacking Iran without the consent of Congress and secondly, it is TIME to impeach both Bush and the delusional Cheney…Hey, Madam Pelosi, take impeachment OFF the table…Save the world from these madmen!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 5:32 pmMixter —
Chossudovsky is at the very top level of scholarship and credibility on all these matters. He was completely knowledgeable about 9/11 in every detail in his lecture War and Globalization – The Truth Behind September 11th already by 9-25-03, way ahead of most other commentators.
His piece you cite is essential for understanding this hour, as is the video linked here.
June 30th, 2007 at 6:43 pmNotable Churchill Quotes:
“To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.”
“Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.”
“If you go on with this nuclear arms race, all you are going to do is make the rubble bounce.”
“Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing…after they have exhausted all other possibilities.”
“War is mainly a catalogue of blunders.”
“My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them. ”
Do you see any similarities between Dumbya and Churchill? I most certainly do not!!
June 30th, 2007 at 7:07 pmHey #24 why blame Iran and Moslems for 911. Everyone knows by now that St. George and St. Dick are the best inside men that the New World Order has for a new 911. You need to check out http://www.prisonplanet.com and hearwhat Alex Jones and Infowars.com have to say about 911. All New York City can still taste the smoke,-Firemen, Police etc, etc.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:57 pmChurchill has been a hero of mine for many years. But for all that, he was an incorrigible imperialist. It was he who carried the ball for Anglo-Persian (BP)’s demands for the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran, (Atlee nor Truman wanted any part of it) and without him it might well never have happened.
June 30th, 2007 at 8:47 pmYou idiots! The more you expose bush and cheneys involvement in 911 and all other hellfires they have lit in front of and behind the scenes, the more likely they are to trigger marshall law before their term ends – and then invoke the dictatorship they so lust for and worked so hard to move the country towards.
We have to let them think they can retire in peace, and then impeach them when we are rid of them.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 pmSerge and Proud Primate actually read history, it gives me hope. The new releases of formerly classified CIA documents, The Family Jewels, shows more of the same.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWhy do people keep saying,’oh , that was then,this is now and we don’t do that anymore’? The governments of the world will never stop committing murder and terrorists acts until , we the people, make them stop. Please people, inform yourselves the information is out there. Look up USA declassified documents, Cuba. While you are at it, check a high school physics book to see how long it takes an object to fall without ANY resistance and compare to WTC buildings that obviously had plenty of resistance. Facts are Facts and the world is not flat.
Why are so many people not getting it? This is NOT about Iraq or Iran. It is NOT about Dems or Republicans. It is NOT about Moslems vs. Christians or Jews. This is about GENOCIDE. The agenda, which they (the NWO) have themselves admitted, is clearly focused on depopulating the world by AT LEAST 3/4 of its current population. This is NOT a “conspiracy theory†– it is fact. Americans and citizens of the world must wake up and smell the Chemtrails, the FEMA Camp gas chambers, the Gundermann trains, and all the rest In Plain Sight evidence – before it is too late. They are moviing fast to accomplish this. Other (sane and humane) methods for lowering population DO exist. Their methods will only bring World War and the demise of civilization and what is left of local cultures.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:23 pmCaptain Codpiece isn’t worthy to snort the ashes off Winnie’s cigar . . .
It will take MORE than 20 years to get this stain out of Lady Liberty’s shorts . . .
July 1st, 2007 at 12:15 amIt is a measure of the level of Bush’s stupidityand insanity that he likens himself to Churchill, who was genuine war hero (WWI), a noted author (the Nobel for literature) and a true statesman who went to war against a true evil.
Churchill had many days of extreme pessimism, doubt and fear that the war could be won at all. He had none of the overriding hubris or egotism that Bush and Cheney have.
Long after this horrible administration is done, people will remember Bush for nothing-Churchill for everything.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:09 am“Don’t blame me I didn’t vote for the idiot” Ever! The Bush regime won’t talk to Iran just like they didn’t talk to Iraq.
The White House cried when Pelosi talked to the Prez of N Korea and others that they refuse to talk to. She made progress.. that is just what the gangsters don’t want.
If the issue is resolved then there’s no reason to go ahead with their ‘Nazi-like’ desire to take over the world at any cost. They are building up lies exactly like they did before invading Iraq.
There’s no stopping the madness as long as the people on the street and the people that we voted for who are supposed to represent our best interests treat the white house like a group of special Ed kids who don’t know any better.
They are criminals and thugs! It’s been proven time and time again. They hide behind the bible in a vault of money soaked in human blood, lost hope and tears. The regime helps those that fulfill their initiation by killing someone or dis-crediting someone’s career with lies. They promote their soulless friends into jobs that are already being done by ‘non-supporters’ of the faction.
This nation, or what’s left of it, has to stand up and see the light above the oppressing cloud of fear they keep us under. Everyday they come at us with more to be afraid of. Everyday they flash the terror alert on TV or on the ticker at the bottom of the “news” screen (which they also control btw). The words “The only thing to fear is fear itself.” Have never been truer.
TURN OFF YOUR TV! More and more “dateline’ or “60 Minutes” or “special investigations” highlight murder, rape, kidnapping,or other types of perverse terror-vision. The ‘News’ is not news any longer. It is another way to keep us thinking ‘dark thoughts’. It has been proven many times over that the more you think of something the more likely it is to occour. “Evil thoughts perpetuates evil things.” Read this intersting study on the subject. http://www.hoopandtree.org/qx_of_evil.htm
A couple of hit movies, “The Secret”, “What The %$@^ Do We Know?” and many books have brought the old knowledge into the modern mainstream. But of course the fear-mongers do not want you to exercise the thinking of good thoughts.
Turn off your TV and the violent music. Read a good book or spend time outside or with your family… become your own human again.
Think Peace.
(From Websters dictionary)
Faction:
1 : a party or group (as within a government) that is often contentious or self-seeking : CLIQUE
2 : party spirit especially when marked by dissension
Soulless:
July 1st, 2007 at 2:25 pmhaving no soul or no greatness or warmth of mind or feeling
Thank you Melissa and ProudPrimate for your kind comments. I felt that ProudPrimate was being sorely abused and heckled by the ignorant and raucus supporters of the GOVERNMENT MURDER SYNDICATE and needed a helping hand.
So what should the American People do to prevent a total collapse of the Constitution? And if it has collapsed already and is now only an usurped hollow sham, then what should the American People do to restore it? Further, how can the Constitution be improved so that this truly calamitous state of affairs never occurs again?
What can be done and how do we start?
My answer is this: in April 2008 for ten days at an appropriate central location, say near St Louis, Missouri, a camp site should be formed at which 911 truthers nationwide should muster. If one million or two million can be gathered then a DEFENSE CONGRESS OF THE REPUBLIC(DCR) should be elected from amongst the gathering consisting of 10 representatives from each State. This Defense Congress of the Republic is to demand a fair, impartial and independent investigation of 9/11 and all surrounding issues from the de facto authorities. This investigation is to have full legal powers, and be properly funded. It is, also, more importantly to demand of the 2008 Presidential candidates a binding promise that if elected they would initiate such an investigation. This may suffice to at least start the process of getting murderers behind bars and restoration of the Constitution. The mustering is then to disperse. The DCR is to adjourn until August, whilst expanding its membership by invitation.
In August 2008 a second mustering even larger than the first is to gather to review progress made and to decide on a course of action for the upcoming elections and beyond.
I think this is a feasible course of action. It will be a show of strength and of solidarity. It will promote exchange of information and discussion of strategy. By April 2008 at least 60% of the American people will know that the Bush/Cheyney gang have been an unmitigated lethal catastrophe for them and that the present political system demands a complete purging and shake-out of those responsible for allowing the GOVERNMENT MURDER SYNDICATE to happen.
So everybody save your leave for April and August 2008 and buy camping kit and grub. If everyone spreads the word and canvasses 911 truth leaders then it can be made to happen. All that is needed is a peice of land large enough and the May and August dates to be fixed.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:20 pmThat last sentence should read ‘the April and August dates to be fixed.’ Although May could be a good month as well.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:31 pmHow can we as ordinary people stop these lunatics from Nuking Iran? We must put our lives on the line. Not a hundred, a thousand, ten thousands, but hundreds of thousands. That’s what happened when Franco and his fascist hords were in Morroco preparing to invade Spain. A couple Yanks in a bar came up with the idea of the Lincoln Brigade. It ignited. People from through the world swarmed to Spain to support the fledgling democracy. Hundreds of thousands came from everywhere. They put their lives on the line for freedom, democracy, independence. They died fighting with bolos against guns, grenades against tanks. Pistols against planes. What nobler cause than that? But then they had what we don’t have. They had courage, faith, dedication. We have only our greed to console us.
We could go to Iran and mass along the Persian Gulf and imbed ourselves at Ispahan, the most beautiful city on earth that the Bush monsters along with Israel intend to nuke. Instean of the Lincoln Brigade, we could call ourselves the Jane Fonda Brigade.
Just do it.
A gung ho marine vet.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:34 pmI can see why Bush chose Churchill as his hero. Churchill was the worst of all monster. He was the first to gas the Kurds in Iraq. That’s where CIA operative Saddam Hussain got the idea. Churchill was responsible for the slaughter of tens of thousands of Australians at Gallipoi, Turkey. He was a ruthless commander in South Africa commiting genocide on a routine bases. He was a madman and the British knew it. He was defeated in the first election after the WW II.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:49 pmYou know, Everyone makes amusing remarks about the Bush/Cheney regime, but we had better listen a little more closely to Mr. Hersh’s theories and take these guys seriously. We had better get organized somehow and overthrow this administration. In my opinion, these guys are not going to give up their power…ever. They will have to be forced out of the White House. I think Bush and Cheney will call for martial law and there will be no future presidential elections. We’re in a dictatorship now; they just haven’t informed the american public to this fact. Like Mr. Hersh said, “there will have to be a coup to take them out.” We have a couple of psycopaths running this country and they are very dangerous and they’re not yet satisfied with the blood they’ve spilled already. Next stop is Iran.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:35 pmCome on, do you REALLY believe that they believe that they are saving USA from nuclear bomb? Sure they say THAT but I hardly believe that they believe it. Truth is actually MUCH simpler:
July 2nd, 2007 at 7:42 am“Modern” current society is based on oil. Let me repeat that: Everything is based on oil.
Iran’s got lots of it. They want it. Iran won’t give it to them at the price they want it.
So weaken them and get it.
Stop with those what they believe or don’t believe.
http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/nsalawsuit/nsalawsuit.htm#carter
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:39 amInterviewer: So, you see yourself following the steps of Churchill?
Bush: Yes indeed! That guy was awesome, and I loved his little moustache.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:53 am#359 – eagleeye – “we could call ourselves the Jane Fonda Brigade”
- I sure hear you but don’t think Jane Fonda has quite the right approach to trigger the necessary reaction in slumberland America right now.
More to the point might be support for Ron Paul and a new ‘Constitutional Party’ ?
That’s the way to stop the CFR driven Iran-Jingo-Ra-Ra brigade. In answer to your first question, there is such a thing as citizens arrest in abovementioned Constitution – go for it BEFORE you find yourselves plunged into an Orwellian+nuclear dictatorship.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:28 am#364 – Zandar, that is WICKED! ;-/ C(rying)OL !!
But if U$ MSM can’t get the location of Iran right, maybe the monkey in chief will bomb the wrong country?
Again.
It is time for a citizens arrest, people; apply at WaPo for details…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:41 amNot even those of you who think you get it, get it.
The sole intentions of the current administration were to
A. empty the public coffers into their own pockets, and
B. destroy the country to eliminate the possibility of later reprisals when the truth comes out.
“A” has been accomplished. “B” is well underway.
You are delusional if you think it would require some massive military world initiative to being us down. All that is required is something that causes the world to sanction us. Say, something along the lines of a nuclear first strike. The oil stops coming, the grid goes down, the trucks stop arriving at Safeway. Game over. The perfect crime.
I am wildly amused that the neo-trolls are reduced to arguing their boy-god is too stupid to have pulled off 911. But as ever, it’s just another neo-lie. They just pulled off the greatest criminal swindle in history and are about to single handedly bring down the “world’s only superpower.” Criminal genius is still genius and my hat’s off to them.
BTW, I thought I was exhaustively versed in 911 trivia, but I recall no reports of “Brooklyn Muslims dancing in the streets, rejoicing at 911.” I do, however, recall the group of young Israeli’s that were arrested with a van that tested positive for explosives, after they were seen doing exactly that. Remember, Mossad’s motto is War by Way of Deception. It’s little wonder that those of the Jewish faith believe they are superior to the rest of us when there is so much emperical evidence that that is exactly the case. After all, if you couldn’t use fools as tools, they would just be a waste of oxygen.
My only regret is that I won’t be able to witness the horrifying betrayal and despair that the truly gullible and credulous trolls like Remember911 will experience when not even the dimmest will be able to maintain their carefully constructed state of denial.
Utter economic and social collapse within twelve months. Get ready to survive or be ready to die.
Oh, and thanks for the grin, whoever it was who came up with the “amphibious assault of Switzerland” line. Good stuff. ;)
Love you all and wish you the best of luck in the coming year. But set foot on my property and you are dog food.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:06 pmMessage for ProudPrimate. It’s very important to get the timeline and facts straight about John O’Neill. Some 911 truth websites say he started his job on 23/08/2001 at the WTC. If this is the case then he had over two weeks to find the large number of demolition charges in WTC 1,2 and 7, and he didn’t. So either he was incompetent and never got round to doing any checks, when there were explosive charges on nearly every floor in three buildings. Or he was ‘in on it’ which seeing that he was killed is unlikely. Or his ACTUAL start date at his office on the 34th Floor South Tower is as I said on 9/11/2001, the August 23rd date being when he accepted the offer of employment. OR there were no demolition charges to find, which will end the 911 truth movement. Could you investigate as you have more resources than I have, as I’m sure you realise the implications. Maybe Seymour could look into this as well.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:32 pmOK. There are several confirmations that O’Neill’s first day on the job at WTC was either the Monday 9/10/01 or Tuesday 9/11/01. Aug 23 was when he accepted the job offer. So there was not enough time either for inspections, or to find out by conversations with tenants or employees of weekend ‘power downs’ and evacuation drills prior to his arrival. 911truth websites must get their facts straight. They must attempt to dot all the ‘t’s and ‘i’s before deluging us with their political viewpoints. It is imperative that the GOVERNMENT MURDER SYNDICATE with Bush and Cheyney as PRIME SUSPECTS, must be given no wriggle room. There’ll be no investigation under corruption contaminated Hillary Clinton, and Obama won’t get nominated. The INVESTIGATION has to be done by ourselves to a high standard.
July 8th, 2007 at 4:14 pm