Pelosi: ‘Hate Radio’ Hijacked Political Discourse With ‘Xenophobic, Anti-Immigrant’ Rhetoric
Pelosi: ‘Hate Radio’ Hijacked Political Discourse With ‘Xenophobic, Anti-Immigrant’ Rhetoric
Last night, PBS’s Charlie Rose interviewed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). During their discussion, Rose asked Pelosi about her opinion of the immigration bill in the Senate (which was defeated today).
Pelosi praised several provisions of the bill, but strongly criticized the bill’s vehement opponents on the radical right — especially on talk radio. Pelosi objected to their tactics saying that “talk radio, or in some cases hate radio…just go on and on and on in a xenophobic, anti-immigrant” manner. Pelosi noted that when it comes to bashing undocumented immigrants, “all of a sudden, all these people of faith are just very unforgiving.”
Watch it:
Pelosi’s characterization of the “xenophobic” and “anti-immigrant” dialogue on talk radio is well-documented. In recent weeks, Media Matters has highlighted several particularly egregious examples:
– Bill O’Reilly asserted that supporters of the immigration bill “hate America” and “want to flood the country with foreign nationals, unlimited, unlimited, to change the complexion” of our society. [Link]
– Michael Savage called a Hispanic advocacy group, National Council of La Raza, “the Ku Klux Klan of the Hispanic people” and said that La Raza “is the most stone racist group I’ve ever seen in this country!” [Link]
– Neal Boortz argued in favor of the controversial border fence, stating, “I don’t care if Mexicans pile up against that fence like tumbleweeds in the Santa Ana winds in Southern California. … [J]ust run a couple of taco trucks up and down the line.” [Link]
Though conservatives may take up 91 percent of the talk radio airwaves, talk radio is not representative of the American people, who broadly supported the key components of the legislation. More information about the radically conservative bias in daytime talk radio HERE.
Transcript:
ROSE: Let me move from foreign to domestic. Immigration. What’s going to happen this week, next week on an immigration proposal that both the president and Senator Kennedy both would like to see passed?
PELOSI: First, let me do something that may surprise you. Let me praise the president. I think he’s been very courageous in fighting for an immigration bill that will bring some order to the situation that is in our country. I think the president is doing what is right, what he believes is right, and it’s a tough fight in his own party.
The principles that we have on our — on the House side in terms of the Democrats are that we will secure our borders, we will have workplace enforcement, we will protect our workers, we’ll unify families, and we’ll have a path to legalization.
Some of those features are present in the Senate bill.
What’s going to happen this week? The Senate will vote as to — for cloture, as to whether they can end filibuster and go to debate on the bill. That will be on Thursday. And then they will go from there to see whether they have the votes to pass the bill.
Of course, we’ll be waiting to see if the bill meets the standards that we have, or what compromises we can make, because it is very important for us to have an immigration bill.
ROSE: And what do you think the likelihood of having one is?
PELOSI: It all depends on the leadership of the president of the United States. The problem he is having is largely in his own party on this, and it is — I’ve said it now for a year and a half — if the president wants the legislation, the legislation will pass.
ROSE: Have the proponents of this bill done a good enough job to sell it to the country?
PELOSI: It’s amazing. If you take individual pieces of the bill, the American people support it. There is an element in our — well, talk radio, or in some cases hate radio, where they just go on and on and on in a xenophobic, anti-immigrant…
ROSE: Calling it amnesty, amnesty, amnesty.
PELOSI: Amnesty, which it is not. And it’s interesting because my faith — I’m a Catholic and from San Francisco, which I’m proud to represent in the Congress…
ROSE: Via Baltimore.
PELOSI: Via Baltimore, Maryland, which I’m very proud of as well. And in both places, my faith was very important to me.
Song of St. Francis is the anthem of the city of San Francisco. St. Francis is our patron saint. And we always talk when there is hatred, we will bring love. His song, make me a channel — where there is hatred, may we bring love, where there’s despair, may we bring hope; where there is darkness, light. And to forgive is to be forgiven.
And all of a sudden, all these people of faith are just very unforgiving.
ROSE: They are not willing to forgive.
PELOSI: They’re not willing to say, OK, they made a mistake. Now, they have to pay all these fines, they have to do all of these things, which will require them to have paid their debt to society, but we will never forgive them. It’s not about amnesty. Amnesty…
ROSE: So why do you think they continue to hold that view?
PELOSI: I really don’t want to characterize anyone else’s motivation. I just think that they haven’t been blessed with the experience that many of us have with living in a mixed society, where we know that the future of America depends on this constant invigoration of people coming in. I think, justifiably so, they’re unhappy that people came in not strictly legally. Some came legally, maybe 30, 40 percent, but overstayed their welcome. So there’s an unhappiness about that, and I respect that.
But what we’re saying is, make them pay their debt to society, and then let’s get on a path to legalization, which is a long and circuitous one. They get at the end of the line of anybody waiting to become a citizen or to come into our country.
But what’s interesting about it is is that they really — I mean, what are we going to do with 12 million people? Does anyone want to pay the price of arresting them all? Are we going to send them all home when so much of our, whether it’s our agriculture industry or other industries, depend on their work? And now they have children born in America. But it is — it’s difficult, and I respect — as I say, I don’t want to mischaracterize. I know there are some who are exploiting this for reasons that are not highly motivated. But there are many people in our country who have legitimate concerns about obeying the law and respecting that.
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She’s right about the xenophobia, but it was still a rotten bill. The guest-worker program was specifically designed by big business to break and eliminate what’s left of the American middle class.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:24 pmAll one has to do is listen to any right wing show, be it radio or television, for more than 10 minutes and you will hear hate towards someone, usually with a 2nd person cheering it on.
As I said before, I am all for immigration, that’s how my family got here 100 years ago, but this guest worker thing was nothing short of indentured servitude.
Now that we have segregated schools again, I suppose we can grow our own indentured servants again, though.
What a sad state of affairs this country is in. Again, I sing (to the tune of My Country Tis of Thee. Sing along boys and girls.
America. RIP
Oh how I mourn for thee
Once land of liberty, your loss so stings
land where my father died
once there was so much pride
now there is only strife,
bring freedom back to my life, and I will sing!
Great land I cry for thee
June 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmOnce noble and so free, how did we stray?
We used to compromise
Now all they do is lie
How many more will die before they pay?
Great post. There is too much vitriol out there, especially regarding the immigration debate.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmSha’Cha’Facey’ol’Coot!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:28 pmWhat PeterW said. Correct and succinct.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:29 pmMsJ – Now that we have segregated schools again — Not true MsJ Not denying access to any school for any child…just not using race as a factor in sending them to school.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:30 pmLook! We still have a speaker of the house. Thought she disappeared.
I bet she’s sitting at some sort of table. Or there is some sort of table in that room.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:30 pmas the padrino (godfather) of a young mexican girl whose father, my close friend, was killed in a tragic highway traffic accident while in kansas illegally working construction with his brother in order to be able to send money back for the support of his wife and daughter, it pains me beyond words to read vicious comments like boortz and savage… they’re 100% racist bigots and ought to be barred from our public airwaves…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
June 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI agree that this is a terrible law. Truth is that the border IS wide open. That saying that, “we have to fight them over there so we dont have to fight them here” is moot. If any terrorists want in this country, there is about 4000 miles of open border that they can walk across.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI am glad that this bill got shot down. It was anti-union and anti American worker. At least our Congress had enough sense to shoot this one down. Umm, did Bush want this bill passed?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThanks Nancy for throwing aside those pesky and irrelevant issues of ending the illegal and immoral crusade that the USA is engaging in in the middle east, that stupid torture stuff, that Habeas Corpus Christy issue (whatever that is), government contractors run amok, and government corruption, so that you can focus on the most pressing and urgent issue that faces us today: How do we get more free PR for crazy radio personalities.
I feel safer already.
Oh, and Nancy, go fcuk yourself.
Progressive indeed.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:36 pmHow the hell would immigrants making 3 bucks an hour be able ot afford a $5500 fine? I make $20 an hour and there is NO WAY that I would be able to afford that kind of fine without going bankrupt!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThis is not the poor mexican man who is trying to make a living – this is about open borders – lax national security and turning our backs on a corrupt Mexican government who has screwed their country up enough to make so many people want to leave.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:38 pmBush want this bill passed?
Comment by Teamsters Union — June 28, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
yes he did. Bush only caters to the Haves and Have mores! He has no interest for “We the People of the United States of America”. Or at least not for 98% of them.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:39 pmAmerican’s aren’t for amnesty, Nancy. I don’t know what hippie-poll you get that from. Talk Radio IS representative of the American people.
Nancy should know her place.
“Progressivism” is the Hippie-state of our generation. It’ll soon become extinct.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:39 pmKennedy wanted the 12,000,000 votes – he could care less about this country.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:39 pmSgt Higgins, tell that to the poor black kids in MS whose schools never made it to par before. Now, their ability to get any kind of education is even less.
Government sponsored school vouchers for the rich and our public education systems get less and less support from the government (NCLB is a joke, ask any educator).
It’s all about those who have. Crumbs for the rest. And if you don’t think that’s going to create a further rift in job ability down the road, that road to our own American indentured servants, you’re sadly mistaken.
Immigration for guest workers won’t be needed. There will be too many masses here who will gladly work for food, but they won’t have to hold the cardboard signs at the intersections anymore. They can live in their boxes and work for whomever will give them a job, until they complain.
No unions = no worker rights. I have never been a huge fan of unions, but this had opened my eyes. Same with the NRA. Never a huge fan but I am thrilled that the people have the right to bear arms because I have a feeling that they are going to be needed in the years to come.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:40 pm72% polled against this bill.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:40 pmProgressivism IS the People of the United States. At least %66 of them. The other 34% are usually refered as conservatives, or fascists or Nazi’s. Something like that.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:41 pmThe bill failed because the majority of Americans were against it, not because we are xenophobic, racist or anti-immigrant, but because the bill was bad for America.
Build a effective border fence and then most Americans would be glad to make concessions for the millions of illegal immigrants that are already here.
Seal the border first, then we’ll talk.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:41 pmOT:
And the Chinese Poison Train (thanks to consumerist.com for the term) continues. Latest: Chinese seafood contains drugs and food additives that are illegal in the US. This after lead-tainted paint on toy trains from China, tires that blew their treads off, toothpaste tainted with stuff that normally goes into antifreeze (!), and of course, bless poor Fluffy and Spot’s souls, the melamine infested pet food that killed thousands of our pets and prompted a recall of pet food that was worse than any recall I can ever remember (and I’m 33 years old!)
China grows fat on our consumerist ways, happily feeding us poison and unsafe gear while threatening to dump our currency if we retaliate, while ole Dubya and Darth keep going back to the Bank of China ATM and taking out loan after loan after god-damn-foolish loan to pay for their Tax Cuts for the Rich ™ and the War on Terrah ™..
June 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pmThis was a disaster of a bill. It had so many riders in it that you could sink a ship. Most of congress had no idea of everything in the bill.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pmWe need a clean bill.
But first lets enforce the laws on the books now.
I support immigration by the way. Just want it done without corporate influence.
Recently Bush has claimed that we have to have a new guest-worker visa program to help secure our borders! He didn’t bother to mention the fact that we already have eight (8) guest-worker visa programs on the books. We have the “H-B” guest worker visa program, the “E” guest worker visa program, the “I” guest worker visa program, the “L” guest worker visa program, the “O” guest worker visa program, the “P” guest worker visa program, the “R” guest worker visa program and the NAFTA guest worker visa program. A veritable alphabet soup bowlful of guest worker visa programs… And Bush claims that adding a ninth guest worker visa program will help secure the border?
All we need to do to solve the whole problem of illegal immigration is to vigorously enforce the present Federal laws against corporations illegally hiring illegal aliens. The Bush regime has been reading our Emails, checking our internet searches and can monitor our credit card purchases; and yet they cannot figure out who can legally work in the United States? Oh, please. In this age of computers, Internets and massive databases, it would be simple to find out which potential employees have legitimate Social Security cards or green cards. This whole “immigration reform bill” is just another gift to the greedy large corporations that are mindlessly destroying our middle class and lowering wages with cheap imported labor. Just say “No” to corporate greed and this bogus “immigration reform bill.”
If the Federal government vigorously enforces the present laws against the hiring of illegal aliens, this whole problem will solve itself. We won’t have to deport a single alien. They will just buy bus tickets back home if they can’t find any legal employment in the U. S.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pmAll you have to do is get a bunch of busses and INS agents and raid the Home Depots and 7-11’s – you can probably round up 90% of them in one day.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmLet’s do it! Let’s stop trolling so that she may enjoy this site better. Come one, people!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThe bill failed because the majority of Americans were against it, not because we are xenophobic, racist or anti-immigrant, but because the bill was bad for America.
Comment by Ringo — June 28, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
I agree with this statement. I think that the public of both parties hated this bill. I too, am glad it got shot down.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWhat her concern should be is how is she going to handle the lying, cheating, traitors and criminals in Washington. Everone says it is a bad beill that makes no sense. It legalizes the criminal acts of people. Which is what she wants since she figures they will vote Democrat. You cant call people that oppose you as racists, its as bad as the Executive Branch calling everyone traitors becase they did not support going to war on a bunch of lies. I live in community that has benn taken over by the illegals. They live 2-4 familes to a home with 10 or more people living in a home designed for a single family. The education system has been reduced to by a couple of grade levels for non-English speaking people. The gang problems and killings have increased significantly. Her concer should impeaching the presidnet, closing the borders and enforrcing our laws. Amnesty did not work for Regan and it won’t work now. If that is the case what will the fines and penalties be to get Amnesty and get out of prison.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:46 pmComment by Anders
Keep wishin’, son. Some unreliable poll must have you too confident. Ya can’t listen to everything the NY times spews at ya.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:47 pmBTW, not supporting a war during the debate is one thing. Undermining a war after the majority said go is treasonous.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI love trolls. But, here’s the deal. Trolls only get three questions? Once answered they must let us cross the bridge.
Troll: ” Why do I sound so right?”
Answer: “Because you are right, in your own mind”
Troll: “When will I be understood”
Answer: When you can truly make sense”
Troll: Why do I like to change the subject”
Answer: Because you’d have to make a case for the subject at hand and that would be beyond your capability.
Let this be our standard response to trolls
June 28th, 2007 at 5:48 pmI’ve got such a net-crush on Zooey that I’ll stop trolling here. Honest to god. There will be three troll accounts less by tomorrow. Yay for Zooey!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:50 pmJohn, the Bush administration has been undermining it from the start. Too little troops initially. Too poor equipment. No real goals (except to get the oil – has that little document been signed yet, btw?)
They don’t need any help in the undermining department. They have done just fine on their own.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI am an independant. I vote for both parties. I voted for mostly Democrat in the last election to rid of the corruption. but I have to honestly say, I am disappointed in Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. I had high hopes for them but in the end, they have just gone along with the status quo. Just keeping the program going. What a sad state for the politics of America.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:50 pmUndermining from the start. yea right. When you have a left in this country that so hates our Constitution that they started undermining this effort from day one. Once their buddies the press caught on and the enemy started watching, they realized that we would not have resolve because of this.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:53 pm#33.
The Dems have advanced 239 pieces of legislation that the GOP held up.
They don’t have the votes to override a veto.
They are being objected to by some member of the GOP for every bill introduced.
Not sure exactly what Dems are supposed to do. There are no moderate GOP members anymore and there is no compromise. In our history, there has always been compromise to accomplish things. That has completely stopped since Bush took office (literally). First it was rubberstampers then bottleneckers.
No compromise = nothing gets done.
I wish it wasn’t so, but it is.
Oh and we can’t count on the SCOTUS being supportive to the laws anymore. We’re totally f*cked.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:54 pm#33 I am an independant. I vote for both parties. I voted for mostly Democrat in the last election to rid of the corruption. but I have to honestly say, I am disappointed in Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. I had high hopes for them but in the end, they have just gone along with the status quo. Just keeping the program going. What a sad state for the politics of America.
Comment by Bongs 4 the SCOTUS
June 28th, 2007 at 5:55 pmI agree. And isn’t Harry Reid like the harvey milk toast of the senate? I voted for change and leadership and have seen neither.
” Michael Savage called a Hispanic advocacy group, National Council of La Raza, “the Ku Klux Klan of the Hispanic people†and said that La Raza “is the most stone racist group I’ve ever seen in this country!â€
La Raza=The Race, who is xenophobic here?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:56 pmMsJoanne, there are some bills being passed that TP doesn’t tell you about. and they all point to making the status quo stronger. I have to go to a dental appt but later tonight, on some thread, I will point several of these bills out and provide links.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:57 pmBuild a effective border fence and then most Americans would be glad to make concessions for the millions of illegal immigrants that are already here.
Seal the border first, then we’ll talk.
Comment by Ringo
Or George Bush could make sure INS enforced the laws that are already in place. You know, give fines to employers who hire undocumented workers like they did before Bush became president.
June 28th, 2007 at 5:58 pmLa Raza is of course “The Race”. And truly I think its offensive, but we all I’m better than thee groups need a name, right?
June 28th, 2007 at 5:58 pm“Neal Boortz argued in favor of the controversial border fence”
According to this poll 65% favor building a fence compared to 31% that oppose.
“Increasing border security by building a fence along part of the U.S. border with Mexico and by hiring and training more border patrol agents.”
6/8-11/07
44(strongly favor) 21(somewhat favor) 12(somewhat oppose) 19(strongly oppose) 4(unsure)
http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm
June 28th, 2007 at 5:59 pmLet’s do it! Let’s stop trolling so that she may enjoy this site better. Come one, people!
Comment by TrollsForZooey — June 28, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
HEYOOOOOOOO!!!!
What’s this all about?!?!
June 28th, 2007 at 5:59 pmNo moderate GOP members? Now that is a joke. The GOP has become so moderate that the conservatives are basically abandoning the party.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIn contrast to the far far left position of DNC leaders, I guess the GOP does look conservative in the eyes of the liberal.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:01 pmI understand; how can one group call themselves the Race and then get upset with the KKK? But, you know, it doesn’t really matter too much. We need civility in our nation. It starts with one person and builds.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:01 pmPeace
43.
LMFAO! That’s the funniest post I have seen in days!! (still laughing)
Are you high or something???
June 28th, 2007 at 6:01 pmThink Progress (TP), why have you not started your own left leaning radio station complete with 300+ locations? Please answer this!! If you honestly feel a large protion of the market isn’t being served, then a large portion of cash is just waiting to be “had”. Stop trying to force America away from Free Speech and just join the free market of idea’s already. Are you scared you idea’s won’t stand up in the free market or what?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:02 pmIn regards to the so called fairness doctrine, the DNC leadership will attempt to pull the same thing that Chavez just did in that bastion of socilaist south America – no different.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:03 pmI’m like the rest of you and voted for the Democrats in last few elections because the corruption, and rubber stamping of the Kings proposals. But now I regret it. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid need to step down, or do what they were put in office to do. Support the Constitution, Bill of Rights and rebuild what the rest of the World thinks of America. I think these two are acting more like they belong to the King and his court, I think they are the court jesters. These two need to serve the will of the majority. I give them another couple of weeks and then I will never vote for another ball less, weak willed democrat again. You two are cowards and need to step down, or better yet jump off a cliff.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:04 pmIn regards to the so called fairness doctrine, the DNC leadership will attempt to pull the same thing that Chavez just did in that bastion of socilaist south America – no different.
Comment by John Sacks
And you know that because O’Reilly and Limbaugh told you so, right?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:04 pm46 – if it wasn’t for the overwhelming response from the People (of every party) to kill this immigration bill most of the GOP was ready to take this moderate view and side with the moderate view of the President. McCain, Warner, et al – not conservatives by a long shot.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:05 pmThe fairness doctrine is a lame attempt to curb speach of the majority becasue the free market rejects the speach of the minority. Thing is, the so called minority has ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CSPAN, MSNBC, etc. so their message is getting out their to more people than that of the conservative media.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:06 pmKeep cracking me up, John. You’re on a roll.
Moderate president! Moderate WARNER?? HA!
Christ it’s hard to type with tears of laughter in my eyes. Or are those tears of our country dying a little more.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:07 pmI don’t listen to talk radio and am a legal immigrant. I don’t support amnesty for illegal immigrants. I went through all the right channels and waited years for a green card and citizenship. What does an amnesty say to all the people who did things the right way? Are they suckers for following the law?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:07 pmAlso this issue is less about illegal immigration and more about businesses being allowed to pay slave wages for labor. The moment the illegals become legal, they will demand (rightly), fair wages and benefits. Thats when business will once again look to Mexico and south America for cheap labor and encourage more illegal immigration. Regan had an amnesty program. That did not work. What makes anyone think that this amnesty will?
You don’t have to be a racist to oppose this ridiculous bil !
In the free market of ideas and the capitalist approach to media, conservative talk radio has many more listeners than meda like Scare America. They can’t handle the fact that there truly are more right of center thinkers in this country than liberals.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:08 pmYou must be really off the edge left if you don’t think Warner is a moderate. Just look at his voting record.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:09 pmBush has created the biggest government since FDR – that is not conservative. Bush wanted amnesty for illegals – that is not conservative. Bush may be conservative with regards to the war – and some social issues but that is about it.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:11 pmNote to TP: It wasn’t “talk radio” that killed this bill. People can and do flood their Congressman’s/Senator’s offices with e-mails, phonecalls, letters, etc., etc. Influence still lies there, too.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComment by John Sacks
In many ways, it seems, they already have their Democratic president. They don’t have much to complain about.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:18 pm#57 You are correct sir!
Bush outside of war is the biggest Lib in the government right now.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:19 pmShe’s right about the Christian Right. There was many so called Christians that owned and justified slavery in the day. Many feel that the illegal immigrants are below them. Boy I would love to be a fly on the cloud when they are judged by God.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:22 pmNancy should know her place.
Comment by CT V_1
What place would that be?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:23 pmActually it was Christians (Catholics) who were abolitionists in that day. Also, the father of Liberalism, Thomas Jefferson was as hypocritical as his modern brothers and sisters – he wrote many pieces about slavery – siting that it would be a major downfall to the future of the country and yet he kept his slaves (and slept with a few) until his death.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:24 pmComment by Zooey
Her place to stop attacking free speech and making stupid generalizations. I think I’m ashamed to have a Speaker/Senate Maj. Leader who supports unconditional amnesty.
Talk radio shouldn’t be disturbed, and that’s that.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:28 pmNot only do they support unconditional amnesty, they support the curbing of free speech – for those that opose them.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:29 pmThe democrats were elected into power because of the vast numbers of voters that were tired of Bush’s movement away from his conservative principles (those that hate him voted Democrat regardless) and figured that change was better than nothing at this point. These same voters will wash away the liberal mess that has decended on Washington in 2008 – especially after the sound bites generated from the amnesty bill and the fairness doctrine.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:31 pmAll one has to do is listen to any right wing show, be it radio or television, for more than 10 minutes and you will hear hate towards someone, usually with a 2nd person cheering it on.
Not anymore–Air Amerika tanked.
But as long as we’re going to censor “hate”, let’s not forget to include Howard Dean, Al Gore, Charles Rangel, Rosie O’Donnell, Charles Barron, Al Sharpton, Jesse HiJackson, Al Franken, Robert Byrd, etc, etc, etc.
But then again, we all know “hate” is defined as speech the left doesn’t like. Ask any conservative who’s had to face a Stalinist tribunal on campus for offending the tender sensibilities of a lefty.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:33 pmNot only do they support unconditional amnesty, they support the curbing of free speech – for those that opose them.
How about you actually read the Fairness Doctrine before you come here and pontificate?
And like O’Reilly and Limbaugh are going to tell you the truth anyway – can we say “massive conflict of interest”. Of course they don’t want the Fairness Doctrine reinstated – they might actually have to *gasp* compete for listeners!
Oh, and find me ONE Democratic Representative or Senator that actually supported unconditional amnesty to back up what seems to be the usual hyperbolic attack.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:34 pmHer place to stop attacking free speech and making stupid generalizations. I think I’m ashamed to have a Speaker/Senate Maj. Leader who supports unconditional amnesty.
Talk radio shouldn’t be disturbed, and that’s that.
Comment by CT V_1
Everything she said is documented above. You have a problem with facts?
That bill was trash and it’s going nowhere.
I agree, let the idiots talk on the radio. That’s what we’re about. I’d like to hear a little more sanity myself, and that’s sorely lacking.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:34 pmAsk any conservative who’s had to face a Stalinist tribunal on campus for offending the tender sensibilities of a lefty.
Ah, nice to see that David Horowitz has a fan…that makes one.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:36 pmTed Kennedy for one.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:37 pmThe Fairness Doctrine wa orinally designed to provide both sides of an argument on the public airways and was determined to be unconstitutional. In effect what it would do is force media companies to balance on-air conservative talents with liberal ones. The effect – given that there is bascially no audience for liberal talk radio – the companies would make a decision (business) to get rid of all of them and go spanish or some other format. The real problem with this is the government intrusion into the private market place – this violates more Constitutional rights than just the 1st ammendment.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:39 pmMs. Joanne: Kudos to you for such creatively apropos lyrics! Did you compose them yourself? If so, rock on, girl! They are so appropriate for today.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:40 pmIt also skews public opinion. Since most people in this country are apathetic and only make political decisions based on what Katie Curic – wait a minute, does that mean that CBS would be forced to put Rush Limbaugh on CBS and give him equal time to Katie Curic? Maybe this will work.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:41 pmAsk any conservative who’s had to face a Stalinist tribunal on campus for offending the tender sensibilities of a lefty.
Comment by Eric Arthur Blair — June 28, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
We don’t like when you make jokes at the expense of oppressed or defenseless people, and you consider us hateful? Please…
We are just calling you hypocrites out on your hate speech. Enough is enough.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:42 pmZooey, don’t you ever feel like you’re pissing in the wind talking to these people who have no capacity to think for themselves? If it wasn’t for Rush or Hannity or whomever, they’d have no opinion at all. They’d be lost for someone to tell them how and what to think and when do to so.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:42 pmWho cares what the nincompoops on hate radio say anyway? Who’s listening to any of that sick blather anyway? Let them knock themselve out….who cares what they have to say?
I hate to say it but the Dems lost serious face on this ill-conceived bill. It was hurriedly thrown together, without any thought given to the cost of implementing it (and/or the budget for it’s implementation)…so, essentially, it’s just like all of the other inane, worthless bills that have been signed by Congress….they have about the power to be used as toilet paper! What buffoons they are to hatch some complex process and have absolutely no concept about how to implement it in terms of cost to taxpayers, qualified personnel to handle the variety of positions necessary to it’s implementation, etc. What a bunch of losers this Congress has become! UGh!
June 28th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIsn’t it funny that the strawman argument from the liberal – when confronted with an opposing viewpoint – is to call them mindless followers of right wing talk radio? That is not contributing to the debate my friend, that is simple giving up due to inablity to debate other’s ideas.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:44 pmZooey, don’t you ever feel like you’re pissing in the wind talking to these people who have no capacity to think for themselves? If it wasn’t for Rush or Hannity or whomever, they’d have no opinion at all. They’d be lost for someone to tell them how and what to think and when do to so.
Comment by MsJoanne
I think there is reason to have hope for some. :)
June 28th, 2007 at 6:45 pmQueen Nancy’s reign is also over. She’s made a complete and total sycophantic fool of herself in perpetuating blanket amnesty without any plan to deal with it’s consequences. Just shows what a small-minded fool Pelosi has turned out to be. Time for her to go and play with her grandkids – permanently!
June 28th, 2007 at 6:45 pmNot to mention the fact that in her trips to the Middle East she actually broke the law. These lefties would rather have anarchy than rule of law – that is very clear now and will be made very clear to the American people come 2008.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:46 pmIt cracks me up to no end to see obvious trolls attempt to confound others when all they do is confound themselves….hahaha!
June 28th, 2007 at 6:47 pm#81 If Pelosi broke the law, then so did your slimey Republicans who accompanied her – so stuff that into your pipe and smoke it, buffoon!
June 28th, 2007 at 6:48 pmIt really cracks me up when most radical lefty types can’t join in a discussion of ideas when they have no ground to debate. So we get the “it cracks me up” and the “you are mindless followers of O’Reilly” comments. Grow up.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:48 pmI agree – the American turn-coats that followed Queen Pelosi to the Middle East equally broke the law.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:49 pmThis Bill was negotiated by Specter, Graham, Bush, and Kennedy.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:49 pm#52 Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
The fairness doctrine is a lame attempt to curb speach of the majority becasue the free market rejects the speach of the minority. Thing is, the so called minority has ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CSPAN, MSNBC, etc. so their message is getting out their to more people than that of the conservative media.
What a Libertarian sack of selfishness you spout, twisting anything within reach, to be able to yell “fire” in a crowded theater. It would behoove you to notice that there is a community around you to whom you also have a relationship and responsibility to.
While I support your right to push your selfish and self centered agenda, I disagree with your distortions, or at best, misinformation.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:50 pmAnyone subversive to the President’s foreign policy when asked by the Executive Branch to not partake in such an activity broke a few laws – GOP, DNC, I don’t care who they are.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:50 pmyou can’t have it both ways.
you can’t go around saying people went to madrassas and calling them faggots and insist you are the party of ideas.
YOU are the ones who have pulled it all down into the toilet. look at Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck in primetime. take away the invective, what do you have left?
the right take it to the toilet because that’s where they excel.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:51 pmComment by need to vote — June 28, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid need to step down, or do what they were put in office to do. Support the Constitution, Bill of Rights and rebuild what the rest of the World thinks of America.
If restoring the Bill of Rights and the Constitution is your goal, you’re voting for the wrong people.
Pelosi, Reid and their ilk, and the justices they would appoint, are the people who are constantly attacking the Bill of Rights.
They’ve shredded your First Amendment rights, limiting the right of citizens to petition their government. And the ROBERTS Court just beat back one of those assaults on the First Amendment–the noxious restriction that politicians cannot be criticized within 60 days before an election. Talk about government seizing power from the people.
And the left wing of the court just rewrote the Takings Clause, ruling that your property can be seized to build a shopping center if it generates greater tax revenue. They twisted the meaning of “public use” and misconstrued it to mean “public BENEFIT”.
It’s the Left that constantly attacks Second Amendment gun rights.
And it’s the Left that misconstrues the notion of “equal rights” to require race-based outcomes. And again, the Roberts Court just chipped away at a piece of that Orwellian interpretation.
If you REALLY care about the Bill of Rights, you should be celebrating these rulings and hoping for more of the same.
The left expends a ton of energy trying to figure out ways to circumvent, ignore or re-write the Constitution, not defend it. It took over 30 years for the Left to decimate the Bill of Rights, and it’s going to take a long time to put the Constitution back together. And the last thing that would aid in that effort would be to elect more people like Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Schumer and Clinton, who spit on the Bill of Rights with disdain.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:51 pm87 – then tell me what the Fairness Doctrine is – educate me.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:51 pm#81 Hey Sacho! You don’t want to get into anything resembling a serious debate about how the GOP has broken the law in aiding and abetting the obstruction of justice in the highly illegal RNC email accounts, do you? Or perhaps you’d prefer to have serious debate about the intentional outing of a CIA covert operative by the Bush Cabal? Last time I looked that was called “treason against the United States”….oh…and let us not forget to add into this highly sophisticated debate the fact that now it appears that the highly illegal NSA warrantless wiretapping may actually net your cadre of buffons some real jail time….since they will not be able to claim executive privilege when it’s clear that federal law has been broken….it may be time to get out your waving hand and practice saying “bye bye” to their sorry butts as they are pitched out of office…
But, then again, most idiot trolls are incapable of intellectual repartee or legitimate debate so…….scratch that….
June 28th, 2007 at 6:51 pmThat is not contributing to the debate my friend, that is simple giving up due to inablity to debate other’s ideas.
That assumes you actually have ideas of your own. All I’ve seen from you is the same horsesh*t that I could get by slumming over at any of the freeper sites.
A debate requires someone doing something other than parroting GOP talking points.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:52 pmWhy is it selfish to believe that the Fairness Doctrine is a violation of the 1st Ammendment – please educate me.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:52 pm#90 For the record: Instead of calling people “lefties” and “righties” I think you’d better make room for the newest party in town – yes, 47% of americans now are Registered Independents…What do we call them? Besides, I think it might be appropriate for you to begin calling the Republicans, the “left for good party”.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:53 pm#85
You really showed off your debating technique with this comment with the use a straw man and an ad hominem in one sentence. I don’t why no one is lining up to discuss the issues with you.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:53 pmGOP talking points. Now that is funny. I believe the GOP talking points were pro Amnesty until this morning. I am not a member of the GOP nor have I ever been. In fact, I am a member of no party in the US.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:53 pmIt’s so pathetically easy to tell who’s been listening to hate radio/television. The talking points are down to the letter.
Mindless trolls. Unable to think or discern. It drives me nuts. And, because someone else is progressive, we’re ultra left wing nuts. I’ll take the educated route any day. Sad, sad statement to our society.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:54 pmthe public own the airwaves. it’s an ownership issue.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:54 pmAre the communications companies owned by the government or by their stock holders?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:55 pmWho is the mindless troll – when one cannot make any other statement than the “mindless troll” attack? What kind of idea is that?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:57 pmAdd Lou Dobbs to the list of people who basically hate Mexicans.
June 28th, 2007 at 6:58 pm102 Why do you say that?
June 28th, 2007 at 6:59 pm#84 Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
It really cracks me up when most radical lefty types can’t join in a discussion of ideas when they have no ground to debate. So we get the “it cracks me up†and the “you are mindless followers of O’Reilly†comments. Grow up.
My, my, you should talk! And unfortunately you do.
Ah, I see I gave you way too much credit! I said you were a selfish Libertarian. You are nothing but a troll. And a cutsie one at that. So welcome, you cutie sack of trollism. We can use another punching bag around here for entertainment. The rest of your ilk are back in the locker room at the West Hollywood Gym for Men buffing up their pathetic attempt at living.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:01 pmComment by unbelievable — June 28, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
We don’t like when you make jokes at the expense of oppressed or defenseless people, and you consider us hateful?
That’s not why I consider you hateful. I consider you hateful when you attack conservative speakers with pies, shout them down or bum rush the stage. I consider you hateful when you try to silence a point of view by instituting speech codes aimed at an ideology you don’t agree with. I consider you hateful when you demonstrate the mere presence of conservatives exercising their right to speak at various events, acting like insane lunatics.
And I consider your leaders hateful when they make statements like “I hate Republicans and everything they stand for; Republicans are evil, braindead, never worked an honest day in their life” etc, etc, etc. Or when they call Republicans brown shirts, nazis, Hitler, that they hate minorities and want to oppress them, etc.
See, these are the leaders of your party, not Al Franken, Alec Baldwin or Jeanine Garafalo. Notice the distinction?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:04 pmDefine troll then. Is a troll one who fundementally disagrees with yourself? Why are Libertarians selfish? Oh yea, since conservatives give twice as much to charities (I think that is the number – and the study was all over the news/net 6 month ago) – who is more selfish? Conservatives or Liberals?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:04 pmComment by MsJoanne — June 28, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Zooey, don’t you ever feel like you’re pissing in the wind talking to these people who have no capacity to think for themselves? If it wasn’t for Rush or Hannity or whomever, they’d have no opinion at all. They’d be lost for someone to tell them how and what to think and when do to so.
A favorite tactic of the arrogant left: Because you don’t agree with me, it’s because you’re stupid, ignorant, or duped.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:06 pm107 – very true.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:07 pmDang I hate the whole “conservatives give more to charities” point. If you have more, you can give more. And lots of things are considered “charities”.
OT: Quote of the day.
“Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate mother f*cker.”
A guy named JT.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:08 pmAre the communications companies owned by the government or by their stock holders?
The company is owned by the stockholders. But the frequencies at which they broadcast are owned by the Federal Communications Commission.
That a clear enough distinction, or do I need to use smaller words?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:10 pmFunny thing is that in that study it showed that the Liberals collectively made more money. It also showed that Conservatives not only give twice as much but give a greater portion of their income – so who is more selfish? That study spoke volumes to the hypocricy of liberals in my book. One theory is that the Liberal would rather have the Government take it from the individual in the form of much higher taxes – and create more hand-out programs – which makes sense.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:10 pmAre the communications companies owned by the government or by their stock holders?
Comment by John Sacks
Earth to Saggy Sacks, what f*cking planet are you from?
You come here spewing SO much knowledge, how can you not know the simple answer to this?????
The GOV leases the airwaves to PRIVATE corps, whether public or private.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:11 pmWell I see we have plenty of professional arguers. (debaters) Here today. You are a professional at something if you are getting paid to do it.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:11 pmWho owns the cable frequencies, XM/FM Satalite bandwidths and the Internet then?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:11 pmComment by Trekkie — June 28, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Ask any conservative who’s had to face a Stalinist tribunal on campus for offending the tender sensibilities of a lefty. Ah, nice to see that David Horowitz has a fan…that makes one.
What, you think the little Stalinists running around universites trying to control speech and thought is a big secret nobody else is aware of?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:12 pm…whether publically or privatelly held.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:13 pmSo you believe that it is fair to cut into a companies profits in order to push out message that the majority of the people really don’t want to hear? That is a typical liberal point of view – to stop companies from being profitable.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:13 pm– Michael Savage called a Hispanic advocacy group, National Council of La Raza, “the Ku Klux Klan of the Hispanic people†and said that La Raza “is the most stone racist group I’ve ever seen in this country!â€
This statement esta muy correcto. While Michael Savage is a racist himself…La Raza es un grupo de ratas traidoras, that are racist pigs. They hate anyone that is not for the BROWNS…….they are the Latino equivalent of the KKK.
They particularly hate Latinos that point out to who they are, racist pigs.
TP, hijos de puta, you need to do a much better research on racist groups like La Raza, before you speak out in their defense.
La Raza, you TP idiots, means “THE RACE”. In Spanish the conotation is….”The ONLY race.”
June 28th, 2007 at 7:13 pmCorporations “own” and control the all media distribution, but they’re “public” property, leased by our GOVERNMENT.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:14 pmThe liberals got the mainstream media – hijacked it in the 60’s – that is why conservative radio took off in the 80’s – to get the other point of view. Now you want to squash it on radio. What is next, the Internet?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:15 pmBasically, keep squashing until everything is Liberal – kind of like Castro.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:16 pmThe bottom line is this….companies must be fined heavily for hiring illegals and illegals need to be punished for crossing our borders illegaly.
the fact is this, if companies didn’t hire illegals guess what, illegals would know this and know that while they can do some odd jobs and get paid cash under the table, there wouldn’t be any real opportunity for them if they come into the USA illegaly.
let us have immigration from every country in the world. The USA, despite the left wing rhetoric of how evil the USA supposedly is, has the largest number of people that come from other countries. People are desperate to get into the USA. let us keep this great tradition of the USA, but let us do it LEGALLY!!!
Immigration is great, if done legally.
Y La Raza, full of pathetic racist Latino, unos culeros that need to have their ass wiped with crap.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:16 pmIt also showed that Conservatives not only give twice as much but give a greater portion of their income – so who is more selfish?
Yes, because working 200 hours as a volunteer for a cause isn’t worth as much as writing out a check in the eyes of a conservative.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:16 pmIf Scare America had garnered even a medium audience, this discussion would not be happening. Thing is, most Americans don’t want to listen to that side – they get it enough from ABC, CNN, CBS, NBC, PBS, CSPAN and the rest of them.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:17 pmSacky,
Ever heard of “the google”?
Try researching more, chief:
http://www.fcc.gov/
The government is SUPPOSED to be fair in their leasing of frequencies, but once again, corporate interests have driven out “fairness” from the process.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:17 pmSee John, your posts prove my point. There IS no liberal media. You bought into it, thus you can’t think for yourself. Proof positive.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:18 pmHi John,
I’m an IslamoStalinist. I seek to squash free speech, and put you in a Gulag.
I’m sorry the GOP is tanking so bad. The Dems suck too. John you should really like the Dems actually, they have enabled your buddies, and don’t have any balls to speak of. You should actually vote Democratic, its in your best interest.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:19 pmThey are, there are plenty of frequencies for the likes of Scare America – they just have no audience – so they want to take the other side down completely because of it. Thing is – as I said earlier, they probably don’t have audience because the Liberals see their point of view on the mainstream media every day.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:19 pmEvery study to date that has monitored the editorial content and headline design of newspapers and mass media has shown a left leaning industry. That is common knowlege, that is why this entire issue makes me chuckle.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:20 pmbecause the Liberals see their point of view on the mainstream media every day.
Comment by John Sacks
Is your butt made of glass?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:21 pm‘Hate Radio’
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I guess hate is in the eye of the beholder. Although I would agree that Michael savage is a bit extreme, most conservative doesn’t strike me as hateful at all. Personally I find websites like ThinkProgress, DailyKos and HuffingtonPost to be far more hate-filled than talk radio.
In fact the most hate-filled enviornment that I have ever been in are the so called “anti-war” rallies held by International ANSWER. The hate is so think at these marches that it borders on abuse to bring a child to such an event.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:22 pmJohn have you purchased your Truck Nutz yet?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:22 pmTypical liberal comeback. Have you read any of the studies or seen the contribution lists by media professionals that came out earlier in the week? 90% gave money to the DNC vs th GOP? Come on, you have to be living with your head in the sand if you don’t see that. If it were not true, then conservative talk radio would have never taken off like it did.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:22 pmbecause the Liberals see their point of view on the mainstream media every day. Comment by John Sacks
We do? Could you refer me to where that happens? I’ve been looking, and find very little of my “point of view” in the mainstream media. I have seen that c*nt Coulter, and the ever present I-shoot-my-friends-because-I-can-Dick-Cheney plastered all over it.
Perhaps you could provide everyone with a program guide, so we get a chance to see where this point of view is getting published?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:22 pmJohn’s stomach is made of glass. That’s how far his head is up his azz.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:23 pmEvery study to date that has monitored the editorial content and headline design of newspapers and mass media has shown a left leaning industry. That is common knowlege, that is why this entire issue makes me chuckle. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
BAHAHA, that’s also a bullsh*t lie. Just because you *believe* it, doesn’t make it common knowledge – but it does make you an idiot!
June 28th, 2007 at 7:23 pmJust read the rantings of Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnel, Sean Penn and others to name a few. As far as hate speach goes, they make the Rush’s of the world look like the Pope.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:24 pmWhat is it about the right wing that makes them like Trash Radio so much? It’s vulgar to the max! The hate flies through the speakers and makes me feel like I need to take a shower. Thanks but not thanks.
I believe they (the haters) should be able to listen to whatever they want but it’s a downer that so many people apparently need to join those hatefests. I don’t think it’s good for people’s minds to listen to that crap. It’s as though you just ate junk food all day – makes you feel nauseous and irritable.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:24 pmTypical liberal comeback. Have you read any of the studies or seen the contribution lists by media professionals that came out earlier in the week? 90% gave money to the DNC vs th GOP? Come on, you have to be living with your head in the sand if you don’t see that. If it were not true, then conservative talk radio would have never taken off like it did. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
BAHAHAHA, what *studies* are those again? If a study isn’t *scientific*, it’s just your opinion – jake*ss.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:24 pmYes, John, I have. The REAL ones, not the ones O’Reilly tells you about.
Every post continues to prove my point.
Keep going. This is fun. You’re proving yourself ignorant and you don’t even realize it. Sad, but true.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:24 pmJust read the rantings of Michael Moore, Rosie O’Donnel, Sean Penn and others to name a few. As far as hate speach goes, they make the Rush’s of the world look like the Pope. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
As opposed to the rantings of Dennis Miller, Fred Thompson and Arnold Schwartzanut? You’re an idiot.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:25 pmTalk radio exists as it does because that’s what gets listeners.
Liberal talk shows don’t draw an audience. I think because they’re too pessimistic. Who wants to listen to Debbie Downer bash America and tell you how bad of a person you are? If Debbie Downer has a 3 hour program and starts off with “I hate President Bush” what does she talk about for the rest of the 3 hours? After the tenth “I hate President Bush,” doesn’t it all get a bit boring?
Conservative talk radio is more optimistic, empowering, and thought provoking.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:25 pmSo you don’t believe Goldgerg’s Bias? He was the guy with CBS for years and gave an insider’s view to the problem. Thing is I will probably believe him before I believe some liberal troll on the Internet.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:25 pmJohn,
People with brains and a knack for investigating things tend to be liberal, like teachers, social workers, University types. If you don’t like it, get more cons in there. Why don’t the cons pick these kind of jobs to begin with?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:25 pm142 – there is a lot of truth to your statement.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:26 pmRingo – you went to an anti-war rally?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:26 pmThey are, there are plenty of frequencies for the likes of Scare America – they just have no audience – so they want to take the other side down completely because of it. Thing is – as I said earlier, they probably don’t have audience because the Liberals see their point of view on the mainstream media every day. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
This was debunked earlier in the week. Care to post any thing else that makes you look like an utter fool?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:26 pm141 – I don’t think they are saying hateful things like wanting the death of Bush or anything like the liberal loud mouths – they are more tame. Thing is, there is more hate speach from the left than any of the conservative radio shows.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:27 pmTalk radio exists as it does because that’s what gets listeners.
Liberal talk shows don’t draw an audience. I think because they’re too pessimistic. Who wants to listen to Debbie Downer bash America and tell you how bad of a person you are? If Debbie Downer has a 3 hour program and starts off with “I hate President Bush†what does she talk about for the rest of the 3 hours? After the tenth “I hate President Bush,†doesn’t it all get a bit boring?
Conservative talk radio is more optimistic, empowering, and thought provoking.
Comment by muckdog — June 28, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Talk radio exists because idiot like you like for your prejudices and ignorances to be reinforced so you don’t have to *think* about an issue. There’s nothing *optimistic* about it. It’s filled with a bunch of whiny, boring hate filled b!tches that sound much like you do.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:27 pmAhhhhhh so I never thought about the possibility that Nancy sees herself as Mother Theresa and she wants to give a mass murderer a second chance and give aliens tax breaks and free hospital care while we pay for it. Great
June 28th, 2007 at 7:28 pm141 – I don’t think they are saying hateful things like wanting the death of Bush or anything like the liberal loud mouths – they are more tame. Thing is, there is more hate speach from the left than any of the conservative radio shows. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
They aren’t? So Coulter’s call for killing Supreme court Justices, Edwards, etc. doesn’t happen there? Or O’Reilly’s comment about calling for the destruction and death of San Franciscans doesn’t happen there?
Lying hypocrite.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:28 pm144 – I can talk to the education industry. Conservatives are shunned and silenced by the majority liberal groups in University settings – the liberals are extreme in their need to silence opposing views. So they take other jobs – I have first hand experience with that. Who the heck wants to work in an environment where the inmates rule the asilum?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:29 pm142 – there is a lot of truth to your statement.
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
I call b*llsh*t, meaning there’s no truth in your statement. As usual.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:29 pmHe’s past tjat VVGFU. WAY, way past that.
A mushroom spewing what he heard on that Fair and Balanced channel. It’s so easy. No thought. No investigation. Instant opinion.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:29 pmCulter is extreme, I am not saying they are not out there. I am saying that there are far more hate speach types on the left – but the media misinforms and puts that blame on the conservatives.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:30 pmAhhhhhh so I never thought about the possibility that Nancy sees herself as Mother Theresa and she wants to give a mass murderer a second chance and give aliens tax breaks and free hospital care while we pay for it. Great Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
More of the personal attacks, hate and swiftboating that proves the premise of this thread. Right on schedule.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:30 pmHow about social work John? What’s that you say, doesn’t pay enough?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:30 pmCulter is extreme, I am not saying they are not out there. I am saying that there are far more hate speach types on the left – but the media misinforms and puts that blame on the conservatives. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Actually you just did say they aren’t out there… Liar.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:30 pm144 – I can talk to the education industry. Conservatives are shunned and silenced by the majority liberal groups in University settings – the liberals are extreme in their need to silence opposing views. So they take other jobs – I have first hand experience with that. Who the heck wants to work in an environment where the inmates rule the asilum? Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Conservatives aren’t shunned. Conservatives that preach hate, like you and Ann Coulter do – are shunned. I wonder why a civil society would shun those that call for hate, violence and oppression of others. Oh wait, isn’t that what you say Osama is preaching. Hypocrite.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:31 pmSocial work doesn’t really pay enough to live in most urban areas – so most people turn to volunteerism for that reason. Stop with the pompous bullshit, you are doing nothing but spewing – not discussing – which is the Liberal communication problem.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:32 pmI’m almost embarrassed for John.
It’s so sad that people don’t take the initiative to actually learn about the issues before espousing opinions of others. Very sad for our country.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:32 pmPoint to one thing I said here that was hatefull – I challenge you.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:32 pmSocial work doesn’t really pay enough to live in most urban areas – so most people turn to volunteerism for that reason. Stop with the pompous bullshit, you are doing nothing but spewing – not discussing – which is the Liberal communication problem. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
Stop with the pompous bullsh*t? More projection… Typical conservative. It’s all the *liberals* fault, because your hate speech, and pompous actions make you an outcast. You’re a professional victim – *sshole.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:33 pmComment by veritas — June 28, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
For the record: Instead of calling people “lefties†and “righties†I think you’d better make room for the newest party in town – yes, 47% of americans now are Registered Independents…What do we call them? Besides, I think it might be appropriate for you to begin calling the Republicans, the “left for good partyâ€.
I dunno, “indies” has a nice ring to it.
As for the “Left for Good” party, well, after Bush’s immitation of Ted Kennedy (spending, NCLB, McCain-Feingold, welfare state expansion, immigration), I’m inclined to agree.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:33 pmI do learn about the issues, and my oppinion is counter to yours – so you dis that – and spew more crap. Typical liberal response – and was typical of Air America – hence the lack of audience.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:34 pmPoint to one thing I said here that was hatefull – I challenge you.
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
Just one? Sure! By saying that liberals want bush dead, while conservatives talk radio is the bastion of decency. That’s a smear, it’s hateful, and it’s a lie. As is your hateful attitude about the education community – which is both a lie, and more of a statement for what an idiot you are. I already proved you lied. Hateful *sshole.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:35 pm163 – No, not at all. I am offended by that type of talk that says you are bad if you don’t take a certain career path. Last I checked this is a free country. Maybe not for long with the type of thinking I am seeing on this board.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:35 pmI do learn about the issues, and my oppinion is counter to yours – so you dis that – and spew more crap. Typical liberal response – and was typical of Air America – hence the lack of audience. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
What does your *opinion* have to do with *facts*? Typical con. You spew crap, I pointed out you lied, and then you resort to saying you’re just posting your *opinion*. Incompetence sounds more like the reason you fail in academia.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:36 pm166 – LMFAO – I made a comment about things liberals said. That was a stupid comeback btw.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:36 pmIt is farily obvious now that Education is way on the side of the liberal camp. Why not be proud of that if you are a liberal?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:37 pm163 – No, not at all. I am offended by that type of talk that says you are bad if you don’t take a certain career path. Last I checked this is a free country. Maybe not for long with the type of thinking I am seeing on this board. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
More hate speech – typical. This board permits you to spew your hate, lies and distortions unchecked. The same is not true of your wingnut sites that host your talk radio buddies. It’s a free country, but f*ckers like you want to impose your ideas and only your ideas – and believe that if you aren’t given permission to do that, and to teach your hatred, bigotry and ignorance unchecked – that you’re being *oppressed*. You’re a whiny st*pid b!tch.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:37 pmWow, typical Liberal response – can’t debate so just shout louder and accuse individual of hating and the such. Typical.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:38 pm166 – LMFAO – I made a comment about things liberals said. That was a stupid comeback btw. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
Then it fits the audience.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:38 pmIt is farily obvious now that Education is way on the side of the liberal camp. Why not be proud of that if you are a liberal? Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
WTF are you talking about? There are plenty of conservative departments within liberal universities, as well as conservative universities. This kind of generalization and b*llsh*t is typical of you whiny little b!tches. Stop being a profession victim – it’s boring!
June 28th, 2007 at 7:39 pmJohn, your whole argument is what’s stupid.
Like I said, your ignorance keeps showing. It’s shining through, hon. You truly are embarrassing yourself. And it truly is sad that you don’t realize it.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:39 pmWow, typical Liberal response – can’t debate so just shout louder and accuse individual of hating and the such. Typical. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
All projection. Typical…
June 28th, 2007 at 7:39 pm146
Ringo – you went to an anti-war rally?
Comment by margaret
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I’ve been to a lot of them.
Want to see some of my photographs?
http://flickr.com/photos/83951787@N00/sets/72157600008146856/show/
June 28th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI stand on principles and really can’t embarres myself here. I just love the way you guys can’t debate and the way you guys love to shout down the other side – it is rather entertaining. I guess I am a troll here for that matter.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:40 pmIn the free market of ideas and the capitalist approach to media, conservative talk radio has many more listeners than meda like Scare America. They can’t handle the fact that there truly are more right of center thinkers in this country than liberals.
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
The main reason that radio has mostly conservative listeners is because most radio listeners are tired, old, white men. They are techo illiterate. The radio audience probably IS mostly conservative. I haven’t even listened to a radio station in probably ten years.
Liberals and Progressives are on the internet much more. They are more techno-savvy. The liberal political sites online have much more traffic than the conservative sites. Sites like Little green footballs and Redstate.com have one tenth the traffic as Daily KOS and Think Progress. And the comments here outnumber those sites 20-1. THAT is why the radio stations have more conservatives. It is an old and outdated technology.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:41 pmI stand on principles and really can’t embarres myself here. I just love the way you guys can’t debate and the way you guys love to shout down the other side – it is rather entertaining. I guess I am a troll here for that matter. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
You have no principles, and you’ve already embarrassed yourself by defending conservative talk radio by smearing liberal radio, and then ignoring *reality* when it was pointed out your defense of the conservatives was in fact a lie. What’s *entertaining*, is that you walking sheeple think that we haven’t heard your b*llsh*t a million times before. You always come unprepared, and incapable of any constructive debate and then *whine* because people point out what unprincipled, immoral and dishonest fools you are… You’re SO BORING ZZZZzzz!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 7:43 pmMore of the personal attacks, hate and swiftboating that proves the premise of this thread. Right on schedule.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — June 28, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Moor uf da perdonal dutacs uuuuuu hate end spitpoading dat proofs duuu tread ting duuuuuuuuuu rit don sgeduuuwool ha ha haha
June 28th, 2007 at 7:43 pmGFY troll congress is in on it or are bigger cowards than even you you frakking dunk heap!
There you go with the “we are smarter than them idiots” argument again. How arrogant is a Liberal? Radio is a medium that has audience – and that audience is measured and projected via the ad rates that these mostly profitable companies get. If radio is nothing but old white guys – the stations don’t care as long as they have the millions of audience to get their rates. I guess that old white guys make up a majority of the country – now I have learned something new.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:43 pmMoor uf da perdonal dutacs uuuuuu hate end spitpoading dat proofs duuu tread ting duuuuuuuuuu rit don sgeduuuwool ha ha haha
GFY troll congress is in on it or are bigger cowards than even you you frakking dunk heap! Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Zzzzzz…..
June 28th, 2007 at 7:44 pmSmear? I didn’t smear talk radio – I simply made an observation that they have no audience. That is a fact and was pretty clear when Air America filed for bankruptcy. Nice try.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:44 pm131. Comment by Ringo — June 28, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
‘Hate Radio’
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I guess hate is in the eye of the beholder. Although I would agree that Michael savage is a bit extreme, most conservative doesn’t strike me as hateful at all. Personally I find websites like ThinkProgress, DailyKos and HuffingtonPost to be far more hate-filled than talk radio.
In fact the most hate-filled enviornment that I have ever been in are the so called “anti-war†rallies held by International ANSWER. The hate is so think at these marches that it borders on abuse to bring a child to such an event.
I’ve never BEEN to an anti-war rally, but I’ve seen plenty of them covered in the media (even if some of their more extreme loonies are kept out of the public eye by a protective media).
But I think everything you said is about right, including the fact that Savage can be over the top.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:45 pmSmear? I didn’t smear talk radio – I simply made an observation that they have no audience. That is a fact and was pretty clear when Air America filed for bankruptcy. Nice try. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Liar… You’re so boring…. Poor try… Try again sh*t for brains…
June 28th, 2007 at 7:45 pmIt is farily obvious now that Education is way on the side of the liberal camp. Why not be proud of that if you are a liberal?
Comment by John Sacks
If you analyze capitalism you will find that it is in fact liberalism. Every college in this country is pretty much full of party hardy students. Why not step out of your conservative cloak and admit you are living in a free country. You know – Liberty?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:45 pmWow, freedom…you really need to take those meds. You’re usually coherent but today you are out there. Are you ok?
I may not always agree with you but you usually come across as at least reasonable. Today you seem just out there. Wassup?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:46 pmHere are some more photographs that I’ve taken of love-filled Leftists:
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/LAProtest092405/?imgIndex=18&autoShow=6
June 28th, 2007 at 7:46 pmNice typical personal attack. Shows your level of education and intelligence 187.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:46 pmThere you go with the “we are smarter than them idiots†argument again. How arrogant is a Liberal? Radio is a medium that has audience – and that audience is measured and projected via the ad rates that these mostly profitable companies get. If radio is nothing but old white guys – the stations don’t care as long as they have the millions of audience to get their rates. I guess that old white guys make up a majority of the country – now I have learned something new. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
The professional victim is so tired and boring… Grow a pair in that sack, wienie boy…
June 28th, 2007 at 7:46 pmOh John,
Seems I asked a good question, and you had to attack me personally. Nice one.
Carry on. Lunch break for second shift is at 7pm.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:47 pmNice typical personal attack. Shows your level of education and intelligence 187. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Projection. Hypocrite. Boring as always… ZZZzzz…
June 28th, 2007 at 7:47 pmLiberals beat Conservatives in markets when they’re not censored by Conservative owners. Anyone who says that there is no market for Liberal voices is intentionally lying or doesn’t know what they are talking about. Stephanie Miller crushes Laura Ingraham and Ed Schultz beats Sean Hannity in the same time slots.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:47 pmAnother typical Liberal tactic – to call anyone who disagrees with them a liar.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:47 pmAnother typical Liberal tactic – to call anyone who disagrees with them a liar. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
Projection, distraction, avoidance. Boring, typical wingnut…
You’ve already been proven on this thread to have lied, it’s not a “call”, it’s a *fact* at this point – loser…
June 28th, 2007 at 7:48 pmTired and boring but true. It is this type of discussion from you guys that goes all the way to the top of government that will prevent this country from ever standing together again. I guess we are all doomed at this point. That said, I will retire to my farm away from the mess and enjoy the sunsets as long as I can. Please learn something new today other than calling people names.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:49 pmNot to mention the fact that in her trips to the Middle East she actually broke the law.
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
What law? What country do you live in? I live in America. We are not a police state (at least, not yet). There is no law about traveling to the ME countries. What Law?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:50 pmRead the Logan Act – http://www.law.cornell.edu/donors/solicit.php?http_referer=/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000953—-000-.html
June 28th, 2007 at 7:51 pmJohn’s shift at wingnuttery central must be ending at 8. Bye John, come back when you can’t stay so long!
June 28th, 2007 at 7:51 pmI’ve never BEEN to an anti-war rally, but I’ve seen plenty of them covered in the media. -John Sacks
So you know all there is to know by the light that emanates from a cathode ray tube into your little room? And that by watching this light you can rationalize your little world statement?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:52 pmTired and boring but true. It is this type of discussion from you guys that goes all the way to the top of government that will prevent this country from ever standing together again. I guess we are all doomed at this point. That said, I will retire to my farm away from the mess and enjoy the sunsets as long as I can. Please learn something new today other than calling people names. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Tired, boring, and false, but too st*pid to know it – the most BORING part about it… ZZZZzzz….
June 28th, 2007 at 7:52 pmIt is fun to play in the mud with the socialists every now and again.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:53 pmRead the Logan Act – http://www.law.cornell.edu/ donors/ solicit.php?http_referer=/ uscode/ html/ uscode18/ usc_sec_18_00000953—-000-.html Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Considering what an obvious wingnut you are, what you need is free therapy. Get some help with that victim complex, sicko.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:53 pm200 – you are a very bored person. Sorry to hear that. Try taking a class or getting a job – that might do it for you.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:54 pmBTW, and you are not a wingnut from the left side of the fence?
June 28th, 2007 at 7:55 pmFor ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://you.justgotowned.com/
June 28th, 2007 at 7:57 pm200 – you are a very bored person. Sorry to hear that. Try taking a class or getting a job – that might do it for you. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
More projection. Just because you’re boring, doesn’t mean I’m bored – St*pid little Jake*ss.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:57 pmI love it with the “projection” comment from you – kind of like “I know you are but what am I” – very nice.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pmBTW, and you are not a wingnut from the left side of the fence?
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Wow, so we not only have a wingnut, but one that’s too st*pid to know that the term “wingnut” specifically refers to conservatives. Go use the googley thing, and find out what you are st*pid little f*cker.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pmWith that type of debate skill you could make a great Congressthing from Kalifornia some day.
June 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pmI love it with the “projection†comment from you – kind of like “I know you are but what am I†– very nice. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
More projection… A typical, and sadly pathetic comment from the wingnuts….
June 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pmFor ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://you.justgotowned.com/
June 28th, 2007 at 7:59 pmFor ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://you.justgotowned.com/
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
For you, you just got f*cked – but were too st*pid to know it…
June 28th, 2007 at 7:59 pmComment by ValiantLooserSucmBagGrewFromUranus — June 28, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
Hey stooper troll! Have a kiss XXXX my asSential. I dropped in to let ya know that NP is in on it or simply to nice to deal with the reality that criminal behavior will not be rewarded PERIOD. The majority leader is turning OUR other cheek the way I’m reading this. Bush should have been impeached ages ago but noooooooooooo. Now run away you Nazi matter flapper!
June 28th, 2007 at 8:00 pmprojected dude. LMFAO! Later.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:00 pmWith that type of debate skill you could make a great Congressthing from Kalifornia some day. Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
More projection. Boring…
projected dude. LMFAO! Later.
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
It’s easy to LYFAO, when it’s stuck up your *ss. Also makes it easier to *project*, and think it’s EVERYONE ELSE…. Sad little f*cker.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:01 pmHey stooper troll! Have a kiss XXXX my asSential. I dropped in to let ya know that NP is in on it or simply to nice to deal with the reality that criminal behavior will not be rewarded PERIOD. The majority leader is turning OUR other cheek the way I’m reading this. Bush should have been impeached ages ago but noooooooooooo. Now run away you Nazi matter flapper! Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
Pure projection. Nazis were conservatives, just like you are. ST*pid little wingnut f*cker.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:02 pmTired, boring, and false, but too st*pid to know it – the most BORING part about it… ZZZZzzz….
Tired, boring, and false, but too st*pid to know it – the most BORING part about it… ZZZZzzz….
Tired, boring, and false, but too st*pid to know it – the most BORING part about it… ZZZZzzz….
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — June 28, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Wow you wrote the book on BORING there. Must be pretty flubbin boring little lady!
June 28th, 2007 at 8:03 pmWow you wrote the book on BORING there. Must be pretty flubbin boring little lady! Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
All a reflection of the sad and pathetic posting of you little ignorant wingnuts. You are a poor b!tich, but you’re no lady that’s for sure… A poor little emasculated Coulter b!tch.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:04 pmI love it with the “projection†comment from you – kind of like “I know you are but what am I†– very nice. Comment by John Sacks
Nevertheless this immigration legislation was backed by Bush. How many times have we seen these politicos decry illegal immigration only to find out they hire illegal immigrants to do their yardwork or to clean their homes?
Defeating this legislation will do nothing to curb illegal immigration no matter how much the water carriers cum BDS patients decry it.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:04 pmPure projection. Nazis were conservatives, just like you are. ST*pid little wingnut f*cker.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — June 28, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
Pure projectionn uuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Nazis dwere conservuuuuatives, dust like jooo are. ST*pid little uuuuu wingnut flcker.
Ahahahahhhhh”
STFU moron and smoke another joint troll!
June 28th, 2007 at 8:08 pmPure projectionn uuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Nazis dwere conservuuuuatives, dust like jooo are. ST*pid little uuuuu wingnut flcker.
Ahahahahhhhhâ€
STFU moron and smoke another joint troll!
Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
Hopefully you looked in the mirror when you said that? Because that last sentence is great advice for you to follow yourself. Sad, pathetic little hatemongering nazi wingnut f*cker…
June 28th, 2007 at 8:12 pmDefine troll then. Is a troll one who fundementally disagrees with yourself?
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
You know what a troll is. Even stupid trolls know that. You aren’t stupid. Just a self centered person who is so nearsighted you can’t see past the end of your nose. However if you really want to know what a troll is go look it up on Wiki under “internet troll.”
And the answer to the second question is, “no.” Which you will discover by looking up the definition.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:14 pmRead the Logan Act – http://www.law.cornell.edu/ donors/ solicit.php?http_referer=/ uscode/ html/ uscode18/ usc_sec_18_00000953—-000-.html
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Can you try this again John Sacks? When I clicked on the link, first thing that comes up is a request for a donation. When I click on No Thanks, I get: Not Found The requested URL was not found on this server.
Now I’m not being a wise guy or anything, I am truly interested in a law that prohibits travel to the ME. Can you send a better link please? (Maybe Cornell just want money before giving out info)
June 28th, 2007 at 8:15 pmAll a reflection of the sad and pathetic posting of you little ignorant wingnuts. You are a poor b!tich, but you’re no lady that’s for sure… A poor little emasculated Coulter b!tch.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — June 28, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Poor little emjackyoulated Colter Beotch ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uuuuuuuuu…
Bathe in my excretions you Nazi Flup whole. You were reported to be one of the “smart ones” here but instead you are another BARTELBOY luser.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:16 pmWOW. This thread should be called the John Sacks thread. I just got here and I count 112 messages out of 222 from John Sacks. Hey dude! Law off the crack. Stop snorting the nose candy so much. Take a breather!!
June 28th, 2007 at 8:17 pmBathe in my excretions you Nazi Flup whole. You were reported to be one of the “smart ones†here but instead you are another BARTELBOY luser. Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Says the sad, pathetic little f*cker that’s too st*pid to know that Nazis are CONSERVATIVES, and that (it) is one of them…
June 28th, 2007 at 8:18 pmHopefully you looked in the mirror when you said that? Because that last sentence is great advice for you to follow yourself. Sad, pathetic little hatemongering nazi wingnut f*cker…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — June 28, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Blood is red
June 28th, 2007 at 8:22 pmBurses are blue
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus is posting
So tell him to screw
Since he doesn’t have a clue
GFugLorself Troll MF
Says the sad, pathetic little f*cker that’s too st*pid to know that Nazis are CONSERVATIVES, and that (it) is one of them…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — June 28, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
Oooooooo that one hurt me feelings. Ahhhh I’m over the pain pretty quickly.
VV : Natzeees are corn servers uuuuuuuuuuuuu n dast ist und of democrats
June 28th, 2007 at 8:26 pmOK John Sacks. I found the Logan Act on Wikipedia. Nancy did NOT break the Logan Act. It pertains to US Citizens without the authority of the USA. Sorry dude but Nancy Pelosi represents the authority of the USA. She broke NO law.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:34 pmThe clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. Nothing in section 953 [Logan Act], however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:35 pmFor ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://you.justgotowned.com/
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
Fukcin’ Hilarious!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 8:35 pmComment by paland — June 28, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Umm… wikipedia… are you sure you want to cite that as your source?
June 28th, 2007 at 8:37 pmGood point PIP. But I’ve been reading several others and they all say the same thing.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:39 pmComment by Zep Tepi — June 28, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
I’ve never BEEN to an anti-war rally, but I’ve seen plenty of them covered in the media.
So you know all there is to know by the light that emanates from a cathode ray tube into your little room? And that by watching this light you can rationalize your little world statement?
Well, that’s the point. What I HAVE seen (and read) of them is plenty enough to make a judgement about the wackos who attend them. I doubt the stuff we aren’t privy to is going to put them in a better light.
I suspect get my information about anti-war rallies from the same sources you get your information on the Iraq war: TV, radio, newspaper, Internet. Do you think you can rationalize your worldview that way?
June 28th, 2007 at 8:57 pm#223 Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
You were reported to be one of the “smart ones†here but instead you are another BARTELBOY luser.
HaaaaaHaaaaaHaaaa. Reading all your posts cracks me up! I don’t read comedy any more! I come here.
My my! You blind snipers from that so called blog Little Green Footfungus, are getting desperate. You are admitting to your understanding that BARTELBOY is damn sharp and that VVGFU is as well. And yesterday one of you punching bags actually took the bait I offered and admitted that is where you trolls hang out. Yup The locker room at The West Hollywood Gym for Men.
So, tell us all here what you little trolls like to talk about? Do you fight eachother for the best sleeping spots under the bridge?
Yep, its a pleasure to see your head bang around on the ceiling as punching bags like to do. Blappity, blappity blappity blap.
BwaaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa
Tell me something trollie spokesthingee. Do all you trolls suffer from a persecution complex. I mean, why do you come here to get banged around like you do? I would guess you can’t sleep for thinking how you are gonna “get them libbers” in the morning. They do have meds that will help you know. Just tryin to be helpful…
Psssst…. I can’t find “luser” in the dictionary. Is that a new troll term? Trolls do speak in tongues, I hear.
June 28th, 2007 at 9:10 pmFor ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus http://you.justgotowned.com/
Comment by John Sacks — June 28, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
Fukcin’ Hilarious!!!
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 28, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Really, PIP! I watched that and thought that was the weakest response. (Like, “nya, nyanya, nyanya, nya,” so there! Thhhhpt! I guess I showed you!) No humor at all. Just a little boy about to run home to his mommy over at the troll locker room at Little Green Footfungus.
I think you just enjoy watching the fight!
June 28th, 2007 at 9:21 pm179: The main reason that radio has mostly conservative listeners is because most radio listeners are tired, old, white men.
What are you saying? That liberals are a bunch of poor minorities who can’t afford a radio and spend all their welfare money on malt liquor?
June 28th, 2007 at 9:51 pmWOW. This thread should be called the John Sacks thread. I just got here and I count 112 messages out of 222 from John Sacks. Hey dude! Law off the crack. Stop snorting the nose candy so much. Take a breather!!
Comment by believer
And not one talking point we haven’t heard a hundred times before.
June 28th, 2007 at 10:08 pmI think you just enjoy watching the fight!
Comment by Merlin — June 28, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
I am sorry I missed it.
BTW
CHENEY 2008!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:43 pmMichael Savage called a Hispanic advocacy group, National Council of La Raza, “the Ku Klux Klan of the Hispanic people†and said that La Raza “is the most stone racist group I’ve ever seen in this country!â€
I agree with that statement completely. There are several gangs that have also infiltrated.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:26 pm“the Ku Klux Klan of the Hispanic people†and said that La Raza “is the most stone racist group I’ve ever seen in this country!â€
Comment by freedomrings
Aryan Nation?? Naaaah…
KKK?? Naaaah…
National Alliance?? Naaaah…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:44 pmPelosi is so right.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:18 am“the Ku Klux Klan of the Hispanic people†and said that La Raza “is the most stone racist group I’ve ever seen in this country!â€
Comment by freedomrings
Aryan Nation?? Naaaah…
KKK?? Naaaah…
National Alliance?? Naaaah…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 28, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
That is not my comment. Here is what I stated:
Michael Savage called a Hispanic advocacy group, National Council of La Raza, “the Ku Klux Klan of the Hispanic people†and said that La Raza “is the most stone racist group I’ve ever seen in this country!â€
I agree with that statement completely. There are several gangs that have also infiltrated.
Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 11:26 pm
That comment was by Michael Savage, I happen to agree with it since the fact is they are a hate group! Maybe I should include the numerous links of members of these groups engaging in hate? Now I have nothing to do with the KKK but I have not seen the KKK taking over a post office have you? I did watch a LaRaza group take over a post office in a clip on YouTube.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:58 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y721T9nX0k
Here is Bush about the LOSS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41pA9oOcuOE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecrooksandliars%2Ecom%2F
June 29th, 2007 at 1:03 amWhat a great day it was yesterday… THe Senate got it right by killing the bill.. I have to say THANK YOU to all those SEN’s who had second thoughts and changed their vote. THis was a BAD bill and we should all be happy it is dead.
NOW we need to turn to enforcing the laws and stoping these illigals from crossing the border. We need to treat them the same way we would get treated in their Country by law enforcement.. THink about it if a US Citizen crossed over into Mexico the Federales would have you in jail so fast!! THen they would probably tell you they need $500 just for you to make a phone call to a lawyer!!
What a great Day for the US
June 29th, 2007 at 6:01 amIt is so fun to stir the hornet’s nest of mindless chatter. One comment was – “nothing but talking points that we have already heard”. Given that they were responses to nothing but talking points from the other side then I would say – sure. It is amazing how blind and dumb the followers of liberal fascism are – koolaid drinkers to the maximum. Is it ever possible to get a disucsion out of these blind idiots other than the personal attacks and shout downs? Nope.
June 29th, 2007 at 8:21 amThough conservatives may take up 91 percent of the talk radio airwaves, talk radio is not representative of the American people, who broadly supported the key components of the legislation.
IF this is the case than how come the bill didn’t pass
June 29th, 2007 at 8:28 amGo back to Syria Pelosi. The people there have more respect for you then Americans. Lying dictators don’t make it here, not in the white house or congress. Nice try though. A woman of faith? Save it.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:23 amHate radio? It’s more like “YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH” There is more hate for America in our current liberal majority Senate than any talk radio. This is the voice of pissed off Americans and you liberal just can’t stand that we HAVE a voice.
It’s a slippery damn slope you are getting onto because the same speech you censor today will be your own tomorrow.
This kind of talk makes me really feel the hate for liberals. Don’t even think about trying to silence us because you WILL regret it!
June 29th, 2007 at 9:24 amOh and Pelosi and Kennedy and all the other “pro-AMNESTY” Senators are a bunch of lying commies who wish to destroy this country for their own personal greed. They are the puppets of the Bilderberger brothers and the other elites at the Federal Reserve.
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! THEY ARE TRAITORS!
June 29th, 2007 at 9:25 am“Though conservatives may take up 91 percent of the talk radio airwaves, talk radio is not representative of the American people, who broadly supported the key components of the legislation.”
Not sure what “people” you were talking to because EVERYONE I talked to did NOT support this travesty of a bill. Perhaps you were talking to people who had no idea what was IN the bill – those are the only people who would support it besides the people who were actually asking us to bend over and take it up the ass.
June 29th, 2007 at 9:27 amFURTHERMORE… on Sirius there is PLENTY of liberal left wing radio channels. It just so happens that what THEY want to talk about the most is being GAY instead of really important things like current politics. Is that our fault? They have their slot on Sirius – there is no “domination” of radio air waves here.
AND.. if you support the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE that means that ALL the left wing TV media will have to make way for some conservative TV media. Of course, they will try to say “we’re not left wing” just like they tried to say this bill “is not amnesty”. Hey your programming didn’t work on lots of us because we don’t WATCH liberal left wing slime TV news.. I’m OFF the Matrix baby… and I see George Orwell’s 1984 staring us in the FACE – just about 20 years LATE.
I am SO sick and tired of liberals like Pelosi who think they know better what is good for this country than the majority of the PEOPLE and that does not include the illegal alien INVADERS because they are NOT part of OUR COUNTRY and THEY NEVER WILL BE!
I’m sick and tired of you liberals saying we are “anti-immigrant” and “racist”. Take a look at the group you are accusing of that! That group is made up of ALL races and citizens and LEGAL immigrants alike. The violent counter-protest in Leimert Park in LA really takes the cake when you had a bunch of commie anarchists accusing a group of BLACKS as being KKK! Umm.. yeah right…
June 29th, 2007 at 9:32 amThat’s much like saying that conservatives ride 91 percent of unicorns. There are no unicorns, but plenty of horses, cars, airplanes, and bicycles; no one has a monopoly on them. There are no “talk radio airwaves,” but plenty of radio, TV, cable, satellite, Internet, and print means of conveying a point to others; no one has a monopoly on them.
As for talk radio’s not being “representative of the American people,” neither am I, and neither are you, Ryan Powers. ThinkProgress.org isn’t “representative of the American people”; neither is HotAir.org, nor CBS News, nor Fox News. Neither you nor I am here to be representative of anyone–unless you’re keeping something from me, sweetheart. We’re all out here to say what seems to be good or just or beautiful to us, and the last thing we want to do is worry about whether we’re being “representative” of the same, lame opinions other people have. Isn’t that right, Ryan? I mean, you’re Ryan F’n Powers, not just some shill for “majority opinion.” And just like me, you have better things to do than defend yourself and others from equal-time bean-counters.
June 29th, 2007 at 10:57 amSO, Rasmussen’s poll shows 50% oppose the bill, 22% approve, 28% undecided…
Of the decided, 50 / 72 comes to 70% opposed. That 30% of those decided for the bill must be ladies for you to be claiming “broad support”? And I think they prefer being called chickies to broads… but I could be wrong there.
Oddly, polls of actual people finding out how they felt about this specific bill in particular (not it’s general ideas, or “key provisions” but the bill itself) doesn’t give you “broad support” it gives you more than 2/1 opposition. You really have to dance aroudn teh facts to make the claims you did with any semblence of credibility.
But I’m sure the fact that a majority of those polled (again, who weren’t undecided) believe that doing nothing is better than the bill that failed (45% to 32%) doesn’t deter you at all.
Go ahead and fictionalize the bill, deal with small portions that people like, not the nightmare it was; and tell yourself that it was popular, and the right wing fringe killed it. But don’t claim to be a reality-based community while dealing solely with a pleasant fiction.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:06 pm“Though conservatives may take up 91 percent of the talk radio airwaves, talk radio is not representative of the American people, who broadly supported the key components of the legislation.”
Nice try TP by slipping that the American people support the “key components of the legislation”. Yes I support many of the key components also but there are components that I would never entertain. For one the bill forbids the federal government to use any information included in an application for amnesty in national-security or criminal investigations.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:16 pmJust because you might support parts of the bill doesn’t mean that the American people what the bill to pass…because other parts of the bill are crap.
Amnesty = forgiving somebody for their crimes
Pelosi complains the problem is that people aren’t willing to forgive; yet she denies this is about amnesty.
This joker doesn’t even realize that she’s contradicting herself. Or maybe she does but she thinks her constituency is too stupid to grasp this fact. Either Pelosi is an idiot or she thinks everybody else is.
June 29th, 2007 at 3:14 pm1) Seal the borders. Move the National Guard bases in all the border states to the border and have all the National Guardsman in the country do their training there. Afterall we will be fighting in the desert for a long time to come.
June 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pm2) Seize the occupational licenses, business licenses, liquor licenses, building permits of any one caught employing illegal aliens. They will not be allowed to even apply for the licenses back for 1 year.
3) Cut off all welfare and social aid to illegal aliens (except emergency medical treatment). Do not educate children who are in the country illegally. No drivers licenses. No work permits. Withhold federal funds from any state or city that is a sanctuary city.
4) Revoke the Certificate of Occupancy for any dwelling that is rented to an illegal alien and barr the property from being eligible for a new one for 1 year.
5) The law regarding children born in the US being citizens was enacted for the children of slaves. We don’t even have to change the law or the Constitution, it was always misused. Just have the Supreme Court clarify.
6) Revoke the charter of any bank doing business with illegal aliens.
7) Strengthen the requirements for citzenship and streamline the process to a maximum process time of 1 year. Do away with chain immigration. If we have 5 spots left and a qualified applicant wants to bring 3 members of his family, if they all pass the requirements we wil have 1 spot left.
8) Provide free transportation to the country of the illegal aliens choosing.
Do all this and you can just ignore the illegal aliens as they head for the border.
NO wonder Pelosi won’t impeach Bush. They are in a conspiracy together to destroy the working people of America. OFF with their heads! Traitors, enemies of the people, TERRORISTS are in OFFICE, TREASON!!! IMPEACH Peolsi !!!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:23 am#76
But the left doesn’t think for themselves and more or less than the right.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:35 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus is noting but a pit Yorkie. He or she doesn’t even have the guts to not sensor his or her own posts.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:45 pmI use to work for La Raza and some other pro Hispanic Organizations. La Raza in their private meetings talked about how the whites stole their land and how whites suppress them. The illegal alien is a citizen in the US and they are being enslaved by the whites. They want more Hispanics to show their power to the White House and want a Hispanics to overpower America. They gave me a hard time for not speaking Spanish correctly and so forth. I will never work for a minority right non-profit organization again. I have to agree with Mr. Savage
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:02 amHey John sux I mean sacks I mean BALL SACK! You Left wing F-ucks can choke on your coolaid all day long if you want and I would prefer that.But It’s a fact that Dems and Libs are as your Moniker implies Jack ASSes! An its also a fact that most dems are ugly. Grow some B#alls if you think you are smarter than most conservatives that shows how stupid you really are. And as far as Illegals go if the Us government won’t do something about it.Americans should. Like going into Quick trip in the am and wearing offensive anti illegal shirts and doing other things to make them feel unwanted because they are unwanted.People are just to afraid to say what they really feel from fear of being called racist …I personally don’t give A Fu-ck what you or anyone else thinks and screw politically correct……And Nancy Polocie should be hung by her tits. That B#itch
July 5th, 2007 at 6:53 pmOh and by the way Bush should be hung by his short and curlies too. For welcoming all the invaders along with you left wing F@ucks. Im not right or left in an independent.And an American who would like for my family to grow up in America not MEXICO!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:04 pmAs many of you know and have said here a majority of american people do not want the whole face of america to change . That is exactly what will happen if americans let all these non citizen mostly poor and uneducated border jumpers stay.Why are people afraid to say exactly what they feel. Why do you even care what other less smarter people think of you .If they have a problem with it guess what ? They have the problem not me or you. Let them pay for the health care of these people. If they go to a hospital and use the health care system they leave and thats that no social so they dont pay.I go to hospital and if I dont pay they send me to equifax and ruin my credit….And Im an American how is that fair!!!!!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 9:21 amIf La Raza “is the most stone racist group I’ve ever seen in this country!†what cave has Michael Savage been living in. Apparently Savage never saw the KKK. I have seen racism in the military–but then Mike Savage never served in the military.
July 7th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWhats your point John?
July 9th, 2007 at 7:22 amLa Raza is a pro illegal organization who thinks the white man is inslaving Mexicans. Ok remember the word Illegal. They dont belong here to begin with and if they want to leave then they can at any time. Michael Savage just calls it as he sees it.It’s really not that hard to see John. Take off your blinders open your eyes and hopefully the sun will shine through.
July 9th, 2007 at 8:21 amAnd by the way to answer your question.The KKK has been marginalized and no one takes them serious anyway. Millions of latinos and Mexicans listen to La Raza and they do take La Raza seriously.
July 9th, 2007 at 8:25 amEveryone has a right to their point of view, and to express it.
But when you say things like “you left wing F@ucks”, then it seems some what disingenuous to say in the next sentence: “Im not right or left i’m an independent”. Your first comment pretty much belies that you are not centrist, and certainly not likely to accept ideas from the left.
Just so you know, people in the rest of the Anglosphere don’t even see the Democrats as a party from the left, but then, politics isn’t so ‘party line’ driven as in the US.
On another point, talkback radio is much listened to by people who often are not in a position to access other services at the time. This could be for a number of reasons: listening whilst driving, listening whilst doing manual labour in workshops, cleaning at home. For example, in China where car ownership is low, the influence of radio is negligible compared to TV and newspapers, whilst the penetration of inexpensive internet cafes actually makes the web more accessible there.
July 12th, 2007 at 11:57 am