Reid, Pelosi to announce ‘coordinated effort’ to end war.
Reid, Pelosi to announce ‘coordinated effort’ to end war.
The Politico’s John Bresnehan reports that tomorrow, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) will “announce a new coordinated effort to force votes in July to end the Iraq war“:
Reid has already publicly declared that Senate Democrats will offer four Iraq-related amendments to the upcoming 2008 Defense authorization bill, including a proposal by Reid and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) to set a firm timetable to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq by next spring.
Pelosi is planning to announce that the House will also vote on a bill setting a new withdrawal timetable of April 1, 2008, although the details of the proposal were still up in the air at press time, according to Democratic sources. The House will consider this proposal as a freestanding bill, said the sources.
Pelosi is also planning to force a vote on a proposal by Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, to repeal the 2002 use-of-force resolution for Iraq. [...]
In addition, House Democrats will push proposals to prohibit the creation of permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq, as well as a “readiness” initiative similar to that authored by Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.).
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HEYOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:53 pmnice words but we’ve heard plenty of nice words already and nothing’s come of them… let me categorize my response as “muted…”
And, yes, I DO take it personally
June 28th, 2007 at 10:54 pmWithdrawal timetable on the table along with impeachments! How ’bout it, Pelosi? Think you can pull it off this time?
June 28th, 2007 at 10:59 pmSpeaker Pelosi:
Try coordinating it with IMPEACHMENT!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 10:59 pmAnd the Chimp will veto it.
What we need is to put the I word back on the table.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:01 pmBelieve it when I see it.
I hope and pray that I am wrong, but my faith in these two politicians is limited at best due to THEIR own actions.
I do have to note the obvious that Pelosi chose “april fools” day as the target date.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:01 pmImpeachment, Nancy. IMPEACHMENT!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:03 pmyawn!! – here we go again – more tough talk,stand-offs,mudslinging,pundits on tv and no results
June 28th, 2007 at 11:06 pmFool me once, Dems, shame on you. Stop talking. Start doing.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:06 pmWhy next April, why not next month? DONT YOU CARE FOR THE TROOPS, NANCY?
The dems are what they have always been, weak and weaker. They might as well try to pass a bill that outlaws the military itself, its what they really want anyway.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:10 pmMan,
No one wants to outlaw the military. We want to outlaw illegal invasions of countries that pose no threat to us. To end a war that we can not win.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:14 pmSimply put the war is about resources (oil and location) so that is why they keep putting this off and make it appear to be a morals issue (how can we leave them like that). The only way to end this is to do what I suggested for starters. Provided you realize that our entire way of life depends on that oil and in the balance there is much death. This is why congress gave Bush war powers and plenty is riding on it.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:16 pmSorry folk’s I don’t have the heart to comment on all this repeated folly…I will from now on work in the trenches with the mailer’s and marcher’s…Had enough of the evil republican’s getting away with mass murder and distruction and had enough of the spinless enabeling dem’s to chicken shit to stand up and do what is right for us and the people of the world….
The troll population has nearly taken over TP on many occasion’s and it’s almost impossible to post most day’s of late….I send Blessings and hope you all can do some good, I will try to do the same..
June 28th, 2007 at 11:17 pmNothing will happen. We are at war with EastAsia. We have always been at war with EastAsia. Eurasia is our ally. Eurasia has always been our ally. Ignorance is bliss. Long live Oceania! Long live Big Brother.
Peace!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:21 pmWinston Smith
No one wants to outlaw the military. We want to outlaw illegal invasions of countries that pose no threat to us. To end a war that we can not win.
Then I expect to hear of you knocking down your senator’s door and demanding that we leave Afghanistan and Kosovo, unless youre a hypocrite.
When are you leaving for D.C.? Do write!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:23 pmThe troll population has nearly taken over TP on many occasion’s
How you must miss the echo-chamber that was TP; different ideas and opinions can be so taxing.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:25 pm“Stop talking. Start doing.” Comment by BlueArkansas
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:26 pmso the previous efforts were uncoordinated? who knew?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:26 pm#10 man it’ll have to be april because by september this year we will only know if the surge is working,not has worked – and if it is working which chimpy no doubt will announce then they’ll need to stay the course blah blah blah and mission accomplised II !!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:26 pmi do have a question – can’t one of these congress people or pelosi or somebody organise a legal national vote in the face of such strong opposition to this bloodshed in iraq – kind of like a presidential election but ask every american who is able to vote whether they want to stop or continue the war? – or is that too far out of reach of the people?
Nancy and Harry…you better do something. I’m ready to vote all new dems in the primarys. Time for a change of the guard.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:34 pmHey pod, the surge has already failed and we have lost, at least according to Reid. With that sort of sentiment, why does he set the withdrawal date for next year?
My GAWD, dont the dems care for the troops, leaving them to fight in a surge and a war that is already lost? What is wrong with you people? (hysterical ranting and foot-stomping)
June 28th, 2007 at 11:35 pmIf at first you don’t succeed, fail, fail again.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:36 pmGood luck with that, Pat.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:38 pmThen I expect to hear of you knocking down your senator’s door and demanding that we leave Afghanistan and Kosovo, unless youre a hypocrite.
When are you leaving for D.C.? Do write!
Comment by Man
The Authorization for Use of Military Force (”AUMF”) (Public law 107-40) was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 18, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all “necessary and appropriate force” against those whom he determined “planned, authorized, committed, or aided” the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.
Hmmm, it would appear that the Afghanistan action was legal, at the time, and Kosovo??? WTF??? Are you living in a time capsule?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:38 pmNancy and Harry…you better do something. I’m ready to vote all new dems in the primarys. Time for a change of the guard.
Comment by Pat
I’m w/ ya 100% on that one.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:39 pm“Stop talking. Start doing.â€
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, and those words are about the extent of your actions.
The libs cant even muster a decent anti-war gathering anymore, we outnumbered them so badly last march that they had to resort to scratching graffitti on the D.C. porta-potties. The scraggly cast-offs that walked by my section of the wall didnt even make eye-contact with us.
Sad days for the left.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:41 pmYes forcing votes on ending the war is good, but then caving to Bush is bad.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:41 pmOuch, Pat.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:43 pmWe don’t give a damn about you or your opinion. You are a chimpy leg humper who only cares where the next hairly leg will come from.
Go fu(k yourself Jake…you leg humpin bitch.
Definitely not the highest caliber of lib posters here at TP tonight, must be the B-team coming in for the late shift.
Pat, Id suggest Ritalin© or a good scotch/rocks.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:44 pm“Weak as water,” as the Brits would say. At least as the senior woman salesperson in the comedy, “Being Served,” which first played in the mid-1970s.
Total withdrawal from Iraq would seem to be off the table, as Impeachment is “off the table” until one third of the Republican Senators are on board with it…
June 28th, 2007 at 11:50 pmHmmm, it would appear that the Afghanistan action was legal,
So it isnt about the innocent children dying or the brave soldiers being killed, its about legality?
Sorry Afghan kids, your deaths arent as important to us…see the fine print where it says our invasion and occupation of your land is legal? Now move along.
at the time, and Kosovo??? WTF??? Are you living in a time capsule
Still have troops there how many years after Clinton(D) bombed a country on the other side of the world which was no threat to us and had no WMD.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:50 pmStop pussy footing around and begin impeachment hearings NOW!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:53 pmYou can’t REASON with these law breakers … throw them in jail!
I say we all call Pelosi’s office tomorrow and tell her staff if she doesn’t put impeachment back on the table, we are going to move to her district and vote against her!
June 28th, 2007 at 11:53 pmI’ve got this one, Man.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:54 pmYou can’t REASON with these law breakers … throw them in jail!
Uhhh…dont you want to have a trial first or should we just get to work constructing a gallows?
June 28th, 2007 at 11:55 pmMan says “Clinton did it, Clinton did it”. These trolls are pathetic. But who wouldn’t be if they were only getting minimum wage to “troll” these progressive blogs for 16 or 18 hours a day.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:56 pmApology accepted, Pat.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:57 pmHey Jake, Im all tapped out, can you cover the room?
Comment by Man
You have to make an honest point worth making.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:59 pmMan says “Clinton did it, Clinton did itâ€. These trolls are pathetic.
Its a simple hypocrisy test, pat. Just want to see if you were as outraged over that war as you are over this one. BTW, I get considerably more than minimum wage as I belong to the Troll Unionâ„¢, Im unionized…unlike the workers at Pelosi’s vineyard.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:00 amJust keep telling them, It’s not a dress, it’s a Kilt!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Kilts are hot.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:00 amActually, I should say — Men in kilts are hot. :)
June 29th, 2007 at 12:01 amMan:
I’m retired. I donate my time here for free!
June 29th, 2007 at 12:03 amI’m just glad people like you weren’t around to call for us to lose WWII. Anyone else want to discuss the topic?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:07 amStill have troops there how many years after Clinton(D) bombed a country on the other side of the world which was no threat to us and had no WMD.
Comment by Man
There are so many things wrong with what you say that it’s hard to know where to begin. I will say you’re incredibly disingenuous w/ your comparisions.
One question for you. Why didn’t Bush the GOP Congress pull the troops out of Kosovo?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:09 amLets see if these dem bills garner as much support as the immigration bill garnered outrage.
On the plus side, the dems can always pass another meaningless symbolic resolution and then thump their chests over it.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:10 amOne question for you. Why didn’t Bush the GOP Congress pull the troops out of Kosovo?
Because they dont swoon at the thought of using military force and dont predicate approval upon the letter after a politicians name.
Dont misunderstand me, I fully supported Clinton in taking action against Serbia.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:13 amI’m just glad people like you weren’t around to call for us to lose WWII. Anyone else want to discuss the topic? Comment by Jake — June 29, 2007 @ 12:07 am
Actually many of you republicans did exactly that, and even called for defunding the war. You wingnuts have never been able to tell the difference between a necessary war, and a bogus one. St*Pid Jake*ss.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:14 amWow, I know this is in response to their extremely low poll numbers and corresponding recent legislative failures, but those two just don’t know when to quit when they are behind.
Hill’reh and Raum Emanuel’s worst fear has been realized. Instead of the public just hating the Republicans as the anti-incumbant wave crests, thanks to Reid and Pelosi, the public now hates Democrats as much or (in the case of Pelosi and Reid) more. Recent polls show the public clamoring for 3rd party candidates that will get things done in Washington.
For Pelosi and Reid to push for this before Petraeus has had a chance to report on his work in Iraq, shows how desparate they are to revive their poll numbers, especially among their own constituents.
I saw the potential for this type of fiasco, but couldn’t have wished it to be going so badly for them. After watching Bubba Clinton, who, through Dick Morris, had such a commanding grasp of the political environment in any / every situation, it is just stunning to see how tone deaf Pelosi / Reid are in the midst of their political machinations.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:14 amIraq Invasion vs. WWII No link whatsoever.
Kind of like no link between 9/11 and Sadaam.
You can say it all you want…but it doesn’t make it true.
How’s that for “on topic”?
Next troll up for an ass spankin…
June 29th, 2007 at 12:14 amMitt in the Shit:
The incident: dog excrement found on the roof and windows of the Romney station wagon. How it got there: Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a twelve hour drive from Boston to Ontario, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus’s rather visceral protest.
Massachusetts’s animal cruelty laws specifically prohibit anyone from carrying an animal “in or upon a vehicle, or otherwise, in an unnecessarily cruel or inhuman manner or in a way and manner which might endanger the animal carried thereon.†An officer for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals responded to a description of the situation saying “it’s definitely something I’d want to check out.â€
June 29th, 2007 at 12:19 amWe should withdraw from Iraq, Sfgahnistan, Kossovo, Bosnia, Germany, Japan and South Korea.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:20 amwe should withdraw from NATO, UN, IMF World Bank and the WTO.
Let’s put a 40% tarif on foreign goods and tax Corporations the amount they save on outsourcing jobs.
Force Billionares like Warren Buffet and George Soros to pay taxes or deport them.
If companies like Halliburton want to relocate, strip them of their contracts.
That’s the America I want.
Self-Reliant and Free from foreign entanglements!
Dont misunderstand me, I fully supported Clinton in taking action against Serbia. Comment by Man — June 29, 2007 @ 12:13 am
Well, duh, only the most st*pid GOP wingers weren’t/aren’t. The difference is Clinton and his staff were *competent*, unlike these loser f*ckers.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:20 am#59 – Did you have any trouble choking the kool-aid down?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:21 amDigging deep now, must be runnin’ scared.
Dog On Roof-story at 11. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
June 29th, 2007 at 12:22 amWell, duh, only the most st*pid GOP wingers weren’t/aren’t. The difference is Clinton and his staff were *competent*, unlike these loser f*ckers.
Yeah? Then why did they get us into an ‘illegal war against a country that was no threat and had no WMD’.
Competent or not, Clinton bombed a sovereign nation without U.N. approval and caused death and destruction. He must be hanged, buried, dug up, put on trial, found guilty and then hanged again.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:25 amI may be going out on a limb here, but I really think the Democrats are finally ready to get it on.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:28 amdantheman:
Didn’t they even postpone the vote to defund Cheney’s office today?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:29 amOf course Jake and Man don’t have anything to cover up anyway. Except maybe some onion rings.
Luuuuurrve them onion rings, especially when dipped in a good cajun sauce.
Even without a calender, one can visit TP (heh, TP) and reliably conclude that school is currently not in session.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:30 amLOL, Man.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:32 amHe must be hanged, buried, dug up, put on trial, found guilty and then hanged again.
Comment by Man
Again, you are a fraud and intellectually disingenuous. Parsing words endlessly is proof of nothing.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:32 amKilts are hot.- Comment by Zooey
I heard they don’t wear anything under there. Of course Jake and Man don’t have anything to cover up anyway. Except maybe some onion rings.- Comment by shane — June 29, 2007 @ 12:26 am
My husband and I went on a trip to Dublin several years ago. We were down in the Temple Bar area and we went into several pubs. It just so happened Scotland was in town for a soccer match and the pubs were all filled to the brim with drunk Scots in kilts (singing “Doe, a deer, a female dear” from The Sound of Music at the top of their lungs..). Anyway, while sipping on my Guinness, this guy in front of me suddenly bent over and flipped his skirt over his head. I was dumbstruck.. Then the guy next to him did the same.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:33 amNo, they don’t wear anything under their skirts..
I may be going out on a limb here, but I really think the Democrats are finally ready to get it on.
Comment by dantheman — June 29, 2007 @ 12:28 am
As I said earlier, I’m feeling more hopeful. All of the investigations and new revelations coming out almost every day are like cracks in a dam, and the pressure’s building.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:33 amI may be going out on a limb here, but I really think the Democrats are finally ready to get it on.
Comment by dantheman — June 29, 2007 @ 12:28 am
I have my fingers crossed..
June 29th, 2007 at 12:35 amI have it on good authority that they really don’t — if they want to be authentic. :-)
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 12:32 am
And I trust that particular authority! ;-)
June 29th, 2007 at 12:35 amThanks, the frustration is building in them as evidenced by the regression in post quality. Such an event usually occurs earlier in the thread, so I have to give them props for holding out this long.
As the site says, “think progressive” and thats exactly what they are doing, elucidating it through their language choices.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:37 amYeah? Then why did they get us into an ‘illegal war against a country that was no threat and had no WMD’. Comment by Man — June 29, 2007 @ 12:25 am
You mean the humanitarian act to stop an act of ethnic cleansing that involved NATO, and not just the US?
Competent or not, Clinton bombed a sovereign nation without U.N. approval and caused death and destruction. He must be hanged, buried, dug up, put on trial, found guilty and then hanged again. Comment by Man — June 29, 2007 @ 12:25 am
You mean like Israel did to Lebanon? Happens all of the time. Last time I checked though, Clinton didn’t overthrow that sovereign nation. Unlike this regime. Wingnuts always confuse the two – but they are a big distinction. Just ask Israel, as they justify their actions…
June 29th, 2007 at 12:37 amAnd where might I buy one of these “kilts” of which you ladies speak? ;)
June 29th, 2007 at 12:37 amNo, they don’t wear anything under their skirts..
Comment by JG
Kilts…..please! Kilts. :)
June 29th, 2007 at 12:40 amI have it on good authority that they really don’t — if they want to be authentic. :-)
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 12:32 am
And I trust that particular authority! ;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
So I make a casual passing insult about men in dresses and look what it turns into… Geez…
June 29th, 2007 at 12:40 amAnd I trust that particular authority! ;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
What? :)
And where might I buy one of these “kilts†of which you ladies speak? ;)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Briseadh na Faire can fix you right up!
June 29th, 2007 at 12:41 amI hope you’re proud of yourself.
Are you proud of yourself? Its 83 posts into the thread and Jake and I have been called every name in the book by you self-proclaimed insightful types. Care to point out where we have delivered such language back at you? Ill wait while you feverishly and pointlessly try to find anything.
Its a sign of your maturity that you lower yourself, or fail to raise yourself, to a point that personal insults pepper your posts.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:42 amAs I said earlier, I’m feeling more hopeful. All of the investigations and new revelations coming out almost every day are like cracks in a dam, and the pressure’s building.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Chuck Schumer was on the news tonight saying this reminds him of Nixon’s last year.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:42 amSo I make a casual passing insult about men in dresses and look what it turns into… Geez…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I always try to take a frown and turn it upsidedown…..
Oy god, I’m making myself sick….
June 29th, 2007 at 12:43 amIts a sign of your maturity that you lower yourself, or fail to raise yourself, to a point that personal insults pepper your posts.
Comment by Man
Surely not every name in the book….?
I still have a few. Anyone else?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:44 amValiant,
June 29th, 2007 at 12:44 am“You mean like Israel did to Lebanon?”
Israel attacked Hizballah after Hizb’allah attacked them.
Oh I forgot, the Muslims are good and Jews bad!
sorry.
I forgot, with you Islamo-Stalinists, Muslims are always the good guys!
Nope, no camera.. I was still tired from traveling, and I am no prude by any stretch of the imagination, but this startled me and caught me off guard.. Hadn’t counted on getting that much information..
June 29th, 2007 at 12:45 amWe moved on to the next pub. ;-)
From LA Times article on 6/27:
“Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), a former Armed Services chairman who has been a critical voice in the war debate, told reporters Tuesday that he expected more GOP lawmakers to follow Lugar and Voinovich in coming weeks. ”
More cracks…
June 29th, 2007 at 12:46 amThe libs cant even muster a decent anti-war gathering anymore, we outnumbered them so badly last march that they had to resort to scratching graffitti on the D.C. porta-potties. The scraggly cast-offs that walked by my section of the wall didnt even make eye-contact with us.
Sad days for the left.
Comment by Man #28
Man, enjoy you last days of feeding off the innocents. A maggot never felt sorry for itself and neither have you. As for us Libs being outnumbered I wouldn’t count couch potatoes as an army of the right.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:47 amJake and Man,
According to the Islamo-Stalinists here, yiu can’t have a differnt opinion.
It’s against their rules!
Remeber
Muslims=Good
Jews/Christian=Bad
Democrats=Good
Republicans=Bad
Iran=Good
US=Bad
If you don’t agree with the above opinions, your bad!
June 29th, 2007 at 12:47 amYou mean the humanitarian act to stop an act of ethnic cleansing that involved NATO, and not just the US?
Ah, so if Bush had said we need to go into Iraq to stop the genocide Saddam was committing against his own people, you would have agreed?
The Sudanese government is conducting an ethnic cleanse against their own people in Darfur as we speak, are you on board with Biden(D) that we need to take military action there to stop it? Call Bush and demand he go in.
We overthrew the legitimate government of Afghanistan, yet the dems are proclaiming that as a justifiable war for some reason. Why?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:48 amYou know, I have hopes that they (the Dems) have quietly been gathering info and building an airtight case, and they were patiently waiting for the right moment to spring it on them. They may not have wanted to show their cards too early. I believe they have one shot at this to do it right and nail them dead to rights.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:50 amI am probably over-optimistic, but one can hope.
“Chuck Schumer was on the news tonight saying this reminds him of Nixon’s last year.”
Comment by shane — June 29, 2007 @ 12:42 am
That’s right, I heard him, too. Also encouraging news!
BTW, “…Schumer was on the news tonight…” — well, he isn’t nicknamed “Face” for nothing. :D
June 29th, 2007 at 12:50 amI’ve got lots more. I’m just not sure these impotent hasbeens are worth the effort.
Comment by shane
I’m sure not wasting my best stuff on ‘em!
June 29th, 2007 at 12:50 amChuckie Schumer’s an idiot. Bush is NEVER going to resign.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:50 amAs for us Libs being outnumbered I wouldn’t count couch potatoes as an army of the right.
Those “couch potato” veterans who lined the streets and protected the memorials in D.C. seemed to do ok. The paltry collection of retreads and anti-everything groups who opposed us came up short, so short in fact that they gave up about halfway through their planned protest and headed for the White House instead.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:51 amMore cracks…
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Are we still talking kilts….?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:51 am“I still have a few. Anyone else?”
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 12:44 am
You KNOW I do!
June 29th, 2007 at 12:52 amIt’s against their rules!
Remeber
Muslims=Good
Jews/Christian=Bad
Democrats=Good
Republicans=Bad
Iran=Good
US=Bad
If you don’t agree with the above opinions, your bad!
Comment by The Joker — June 29, 2007 @ 12:47 am
I’d say it’s more like:
Muslims=The Vast Majority of them are Good
Jews/Christian=The vast Majority of them are Good
Democrats=Could live without them
Republicans=Could live without them (more so)
US=Has not always behaved like it tells people they should
Iran=A large youthful population that would like to have us as a friend, and who wish their insane leaders would quit provoking WWIII, just like us.
If you don’t agree with the above opinions, you are entitled to your own. But it’s better if they’re backed up by facts rather than ideology.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:53 amSince we are told that the United States is in Iraq to promote democracy for their people, why don’t we support the scheduling of another nationwide vote? The United States would need to pledge to the world community to abide by the outcome. The U. S. government could provide the funding for this vote (on paper ballots that could be re-counted, if necessary). A truly independent international organization could carry out the election, along with tabulating and reporting the results. There would be one question on the ballot — Should the United States remain in Iraq or leave? If our government is truly supporting self-determination for the Iraqi people they should have no misgivings about abiding by their wishes. Why isn’t someone in Washington, D.C. placing pressure on elected officials to promote such an initiative?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:53 amMy fantasy is for Bush and Cheney to marched out the front entry of the White House in handcuffs and taken straight to jail. I want the press notified first so the entire press corps is there to videotape the entire event.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:54 amOn that, I think I will got o bed now.
Man:
I was in the Army during the Korean War, what about you?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:54 amComment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Er, not this time! ;-) Sorry, sometimes my serious side gets tired of being suppressed.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:54 amCall Bush and demand he go in.
We overthrew the legitimate government of Afghanistan, yet the dems are proclaiming that as a justifiable war for some reason. Why?
Comment by Man
Bush doesn’t listen to us. He only listens to you neocon that voted for him.
Bush was president and the congress was Republican when we “overthrew the legitimate government” of Afghanistan. If it was illegal I guess it should be added to the articles of impeachment.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:55 amJake:
Navy, ‘85 to ‘92, gunners mate, USS Vincennes and USS Flint. (mostly).
My old man was in Korea, Marine. Later he was a DI at LeJeune.
Ill defer to you.
June 29th, 2007 at 12:57 amChuckie Schumer’s an idiot. Bush is NEVER going to resign.
Comment by Jake
Who said “resign”?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:58 amWayne A. Schneider,
I see your point.
Most Muslims are good but their leaders and ideology calls for conquering others.
That’s why I don’t want them here.
Look at the mess they’ve created in Europe?
Now France is anti-Muslim!
There must be a reason for that!
As for Iran why is there a post on TP about the riots?
June 29th, 2007 at 12:58 amYet you ignore the opinions of the *majority* of the Americans
The majority of Americans were heard loud and clear this last week, why havent they roused themselves to protest as vociferously against this war?
Because we want to win, not run like a scalded dog. Change doesnt mean tuck tail, it means WIN.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:00 amIf anyone NOT on the Ignore List wants to discuss anything, let me know.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:01 amMan:
I was in the Army during the Korean War, what about you?
Comment by Jake
Sure Jake, we were all in the Army during the Korean War. I’ll show you my proof if you show me yours.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:01 amI’m all for stopping the genocide in Darfur, and there was no Genocide in Iraq,
Then we agree on Darfur.
You must have taken an english course from Maddy Albright, “what exactly is the definition of genocide?” (spoken as Rwandans were busy butchering one another).
A million+ dead Iraqis since Hussein took power, dead at his hand. Feel free to parse it, if it isnt genocide then I cant help you.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:05 amBecause we want to win, not run like a scalded dog. Change doesnt mean tuck tail, it means WIN.
Comment by Man
Win what. I though we’d already won once. Remember “Mission Accomplished”. How will we know when we’ve won? Remember they already held “democratic” elections. What would be the determination that we had in fact won. Maybe if the people knew any of these answers they’d have been more supportive.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:05 amNo need to defer, Man. You are doing a bang up job.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:06 amSure Jake, we were all in the Army during the Korean War. I’ll show you my proof if you show me yours.
Comment by shane
I know I was!
Yep, I can plagarize a military record as well as old Jake.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:06 amA million+ dead Iraqis since Hussein took power, dead at his hand. Feel free to parse it, if it isnt genocide then I cant help you.
Comment by Man
Really? You have a link for a million+ dead?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:07 amOh and Jake, about your ignore list. Maybe Man can put it where we’d all like you to stick it.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:09 amSimply put the war is about resources (oil and location) so that is why they keep putting this off and make it appear to be a morals issue (how can we leave them like that). The only way to end this is to do what I suggested for starters. Provided you realize that our entire way of life depends on that oil and in the balance there is much death. This is why congress gave Bush war powers and plenty is riding on it.
Comment by freedomrings — June 28, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
I don’t agree with most of what you say, but on this, I think you hit the nail on the head. As much as I dislike Bush and Cheney, at least they both are Peak Oil aware. Bush reacted with not only a war with Iraq, but a huge spread in Northern Paraguay while Cheney chose Dubai. They’re bailing out.
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June 29th, 2007 at 1:11 amJake:
As you can see, the attacks have already started about your (and presumably Ill get hit too) military service, even though we were just exchanging a little information. For some reason the majority of liberal posters here feel compelled to ridicule vets and claim we’re fraudulent.
Im not sure why that is, jealously maybe, or regret that they didnt have the chutzpah to serve themselves.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:12 amNo need to defer, Man. You are doing a bang up job.
Comment by Jake
Weren’t you two going to get a room?
Comment by shane — June 29, 2007 @ 1:08 am
Ah, remember, Shane. We’re not allowed to ask, and they’re not allowed to tell. Or did they just change that rule again?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:13 amComment by Briseadh na Faire — June 29, 2007 @ 1:11 am
Thanks, BnF. I’ll keep that handy. :D
June 29th, 2007 at 1:13 amA million+ dead Iraqis since Hussein took power, dead at his hand. Feel free to parse it, if it isnt genocide then I cant help you.
Comment by Man
How many dead at Bush’s hands? It certainly is approaching your number, and it’s taken George a lot less time to run up his numbers. Of course, w/out Ronnie Reagan and Dick and Rummy’s help, and yes, Jimmy Carter’s, Saddam would have never had those WMDs, would he?
Help clarify your thinking, son?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:14 amIm not sure why that is, jealously maybe, or regret that they didnt have the chutzpah to serve themselves.
Comment by Man — June 29, 2007 @ 1:12 am
It’s because they are Lefty-Defeatists and Muslim sympathizers.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:14 amIm not sure why that is, jealously maybe, or regret that they didnt have the chutzpah to serve themselves.
Comment by Man — June 29, 2007 @ 1:12 am
I served.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:15 amOf course, w/out Ronnie Reagan and Dick and Rummy’s help, and yes, Jimmy Carter’s, Saddam would have never had those WMDs, would he?
What WMD? Oh oh, now youve done it.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:18 amHey Jake, Ill see you around. I stayed up waaaaay too late tonight and its midnight in Minnesota. Have to do that work thing tomorrow and scattering these libs like chaff has worn me out.
What is “work” the liberals ask? Catch me tomorrow and Ill explain it to you.
Cheers
June 29th, 2007 at 1:22 amforgot, with you Islamo-Stalinists, Muslims are always the good guys!
Comment by The Joker — June 29, 2007 @ 12:44 am
Thank You. After all those years in the NBA, It nice to see that some still don’t hate someone for their spiritual beliefs.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:22 amWhat WMD? Oh oh, now youve done it.
Comment by Man
Riiiight, yet MORE clever word play from the Right Wing. Yes, those would be the CHEMICAL WEAPONS Reagan gave him, ya know, the ones destroyed whilst the UN was watching. The ones HE NO LONGER HAD when Brusch decided to invade.
Oh wait, they did find some mustrad gas shells, right next to the ketchup and relish shells – the Condiments of Mass Destruction.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:23 amOver on Buzzflash: http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/pelosi-on-bush-hes-not-worth-impeaching/
“He’s not worth impeaching” – Pelosi and Reid answer their critics in their base…
June 29th, 2007 at 1:28 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 29, 2007 @ 1:13 am
For whatever it’s worth, my wife says to tell you she loves it when I wear my kilt!
;-)
Although, with a name like Schneider, you’d better stick to a government tartan, that is, unless ye ha’e Scots blood in ye!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:29 am“He’s not worth impeaching†– Pelosi and Reid answer their critics in their base…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 29, 2007 @ 1:28 am
June 29th, 2007 at 1:30 am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GREAT EXCUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He’s not worth impeaching†– Pelosi and Reid answer their critics in their base
Those words could come back to bite them. Are they going thru with this? I’m not sure but with all the crap coming out about Dick Cheney, I think it is possible that they are making their move.
If it doesn’t work, then I think it is the end of this American Democracy as we know it, unless Republicans and Democrats alike come together to stop this dictatorial pair.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:34 amIn a nutshell….
http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=22395
June 29th, 2007 at 1:36 am125# The majority of Americans were heard loud and clear this last week, why havent they roused themselves to protest as vociferously against this war?
Because we want to win, not run like a scalded dog. Change doesnt mean tuck tail, it means WIN.
Comment by Man
Man, the majority of Americans are becoming aware that the OCCUPATION–not WAR in Iraq–is a BFL (Big Fat Lie). It’s the corporate/media/conservatives/Beltway/lapdogs who are the scalded dogs, scurving about for the winning spin-cliché to bail sorry asses out of the corner of their own making—INCLUDING YOURSELF.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:43 am“Because we want to win, not run like a scalded dog. Change doesnt mean tuck tail, it means WIN.
Comment by Man”
The Winner
(Shel Silverstein)
The hulk of a man with a beer in his hand looked like a drunk old fool,
And I knew that if I hit him right, I could knock him off that stool.
But everybody said, “Watch out — that’s Tiger Man McCool.
He’s had a whole lot of fights, and he always come out the winner.
Yeah, he’s a winner.”
But I’d had myself about five too many, and I walked up tall and proud,
I faced his back and I faced the fact that he’d never stooped or bowed.
I said, “Tiger Man, you’re a pussycat,” and a hush fell on the crowd,
I said, “Let’s you and me go outside and see who’s the winner”………..
Well, he gripped the bar with one big hairy hand and he braced against the
wall,
He slowly looked up from his beer — my God, that man was tall.
He said, “Boy, I see you’re a scrapper, so just before you fall,
I’m gonna tell you just a little what a means to be a winner.”
(cont…)
June 29th, 2007 at 1:53 amhttp://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/pages/tiWINNR2.html
Im not sure why that is, jealously maybe, or regret that they didnt have the chutzpah to serve themselves. Comment by Man — June 29, 2007 @ 1:12 am
Well, that doesn’t explain Cheney, Rove and Bush. Dum bass.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:54 amover a hundred troops deaths a month for the last 3 months, first time ever
I take it the Surge was a stoopid idea
June 29th, 2007 at 7:04 am#13 Hi Sharon! After reading the night’s posts, I must concur with your comments in every instance. I’m pretty nauseated by the continued antics of this Congress (and I’m definitely not alone by virtue of their lousy numbers). They can talk about timetables until the cows come home and it all sounds good unless/until one realizes that the “horse is already out of the barn” and timetables will go nowhere.
THE ONLY card they held was the pursestrings and they blew it miserably. They postured initially without any true backbone and then bent over to King George when he whimpered and simpered. Now THIS is not in keeping with the mandate of the MidTerms so they failed abysmally in their first real task.
Anything they attempt to do now will be moot. They’ve become a “lameduck Congress” catering to a “lameduck president” at the expense of the people and the dissolution of this democracy.
Effectively, the Dems have now earned their star of “complicity” as well as the Republicans so they are absolutely no different. This is precisely why so many people are registering as Independent.
They’ve “had it” totally with the morons in Congress, the most corrupt administration ever in the history of the country, and the conversation of our Constitution into toilet paper. It’s been trampled beyond recognition; now they are wiping their a$$es with it….very sad state of affairs and the demise of this democracy.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:11 amAnd it sounds like our “military troll named Man” was probably a draft dodger in his youth because he apparently knows nothing about the military.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:13 amHaving background in linguistics helps make these styles crystal clear.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:19 amDemocrats ‘Timetable’ to withdraw by next spring….
Democrats look like losers again.
That’s almost a year from now,and that is if Bush and Cheney allow it to happen.
Democrats won in November 2006 on the issue of ‘ending this war’..So far they keep supporting Bush’s plans and write checks.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:19 amPelosi said…no more ‘blank’ checks.. whom is she kidding..!!
How about a coordinated effort to impeach Cheney?
Solve two problems at once.
June 29th, 2007 at 7:52 amListening to ‘Hooked on Phonics’â„¢ isnt a background in linguistics, you preemie.
Liboners wouldnt know military if they were walking through the barracks at RTC Great Lakes.
June 29th, 2007 at 8:01 am#166 – Neo-Con-victs refuse to serve in the military because they are all cheese-eating surrender monkey cowards.
It’s true! Did KKKarl Rove serve? NO! Did VPres. Cheney serve? NO!
Pres. Bush’s daddy go the then-Democratic Texas Speaker of the House to get “Dubya” a spot on the Air National Guard that he did not deserve, and he couldn’t be bothered with completing his entire service with honor!
I guess when you’re snorting your way through life, honor has nothing to do with you.
June 29th, 2007 at 8:30 amWhat has happened to the proposal to revoke the Iraq “war” resolution? Authorization was related to 9-11, not Iraq, so let’s end it this way.
June 29th, 2007 at 8:53 amif they want to force votes that’s fine… they can hold votes, but they can’t control how people vote… until they get some Republicants to join them, this is all just treading water…
June 29th, 2007 at 9:21 am…man aka rachel, accidentally posted his famous “anyone NOT on my ignore list” in the London ‘car bomb’ thread…
June 29th, 2007 at 9:46 amAnd then Nancy will give Dumbya the good ahead to invade Iran.
She is an AIPAC whore, just like everyone else except Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:11 amImpeach Pelosi and Reid first!
They do NOT represent the interest and voices of the Democrat Party.
Then after the Democrats get new leaders this year, then we can go after cheney and bush.
These so called “leaders” have failed us. They have failed our country. It’s time for them to step aside because all they do is stupid little speeches and “play nice”.
Kick them out of leadership position with the Democrat party since they are way over their heads!
June 29th, 2007 at 3:09 pmGee, I hope they don’t raise the bar “to high” again and end up cow-tailing to Chimpy
Worthless…. just like 98% of Capitol Hill
June 29th, 2007 at 3:43 pmOne more rant:
Pisses me off how Pelosi was all “IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH” and “OUT OF IRAQ NOW” when her part was fighting for control of congress. Now that she has gotten the position she wanted she immediately took both those KEY issues off the table.
How long do we have to wait for a politician to come along that will fight the fight that got them there, once they are there and now have something to lose?
Springsteen said it best…
“Well you’re born with nothing and better off living that way. ‘Cuz as soon as you got something, somebody comes and tries to take it away”
June 29th, 2007 at 3:49 pm