Britain’s National Security Experts: Threat of Terrorism Increased As a Result Of War In Iraq
Britain’s National Security Experts: Threat of Terrorism Increased As a Result Of War In Iraq
Early this morning, British police “discovered an explosive device in a car laden with gasoline, nails, and gas canisters” in central London. British authorities have not said who may be responsible for the attempted attack, but Jacqui Smith, Britian’s new homeland secretary, characterized the incident as attempted “international terrorism.” The BBC noted that the timing may be significant as the incident comes as “the second anniversary of the 7 July bombings approach[es].”
Despite counterterrorism officials having “no prior intelligence information indicating” this attack might be imminent, Britain’s increased risk of “international terrorism” has long been attributed to British involvement in the war in Iraq by numerous national security experts:
Foreign Affairs Committee of the British Parliament:
“Britons are more - not less - likely to be the target of terrorist attacks as a result of the war in Iraq.” [BBC News, 2/2/2004]
Britain’s Joint Terrorist Analysis Center:
“[E]vents in Iraq are continuing to act as motivation and a focus of a range of terrorist-related activity in the UK.” [Financial Times, 7/19/2005]
Former chief of the British intelligence service MI5, Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller:
“UK foreign policy … in Iraq and Afghanistan” has inspired a “violent threat” to the UK that will persist for “more than a generation.” [The Independent, 11/11/2006]
David Cameron, leader of Britain’s Conservative Party:
“It is clear that over the last few years decisions that have been taken, the difficulties there have been in Iraq, clearly have had a wider effect” and “the threat to Britain was now greater as a result of the war [in Iraq] was ‘a statement of fact.’” [ABC News, 12/18/2006]
Dr. Jonathan Eyal, the director of international security at the Royal United Services Institute:
The “terrorist threat facing Britain from home-grown al-Qaeda agents is higher than at any time since the September 11 attacks in 2001.” He faulted the “wars in Afghanistan and Iraq” and western government’s inability to kill or capture Osama bin Laden. [The Telegraph, 2/25/2007]
The U.S. intelligence community assessed that Iraq “has become the ‘cause celebre‘ for jihadists.” The State Department has acknowledged the war in Iraq “has been used by terrorists as a rallying cry for radicalization and extremist activity that has contributed to instability in neighboring countries.” The longer the occupation in Iraq continues, the more it serves as a recruiting and propaganda tool for terrorists. Ultimately — as British experts understand — the Iraq war leads to greater insecurity around the globe.
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Happenings
You’re going to be told lots of things.
You get told things every day that don’t happen.
It doesn’t seem to bother people, they don’t—
It’s printed in the press.
The world thinks all these things happen.
They never happened.
Everyone’s so eager to get the story
Before in fact the story’s there
That the world is constantly being fed
Things that haven’t happened.
All I can tell you is,
June 29th, 2007 at 1:23 pmIt hasn’t happened.
It’s going to happen.
Clinton did it too!!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:24 pmSo let me get this straight.. When you kill 1000’s of innocent people, their relatives and friends might want revenge, so another 7-7 or 9-11 coming?
Who would have ever thought war for decades?
PNAC
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:24 pmWhen you go after a bee hive to kill them, you usually stir up the nest and increase your chances of getting stung. Doesn’t change the fact that the bee hive must go if you want to live in peace in your backyard.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pmPNAC
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Comment by RushBandFan — June 29, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Typical Islamo-Stalinist Know-it-all.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pmDuh?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI hope that this would be clear by now. Over 6 decades of interventionism, militarism, aggression, coups, backing dictators and wars…. and we’re not more prosperous, we’re not more free, and we’re not safer!
Doing these things engenders hatred and only guarantees reprisal attacks in the future.
We need a new path:
“How to Oppose Terrorism”
June 29th, 2007 at 1:28 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/how_to_oppose_terrorism
Typical Islamo-Stalinist Know-it-all.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 29, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Typical butt-licking-christ-taliban
June 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pmSo you think that the US is not more properous now vs. … 6 decades ago which would be the 1940’s. You just discredited anything else you have to say.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pm“Britian’s National Security Experts: Threat of Terrorism Increased As a Result Of War In Iraq”
Gee do ya think so? By the way, that’s Britain, better check your spelling my friend.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pmI wonder when the streets of the US will start to look like Baghdad?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:30 pmComing to a street near you : IED’s…
Comment by RushBandFan — June 29, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Typical Arrogant Lefty-Defeatist.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:30 pmIf we don’t seal up our borders and stop illegals from coming into this country then it won’t take a generation for our streets to look like those of the Middle East.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:32 pmIt’s a recruiting “tool” for jihadists and a self-fulfilling prophesy which we are enabling by the continuation of this war.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:33 pmDoes anybody have the TRUTH of what went down on 9/11?
Is anybody willing to share what they know?
(I’m only accepting versions from the democratics, as of note, so other parties need not apply.)
June 29th, 2007 at 1:33 pmTony Blair is responsible for all the problems in the UK.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:34 pm#3 Amen! This and only this application of Bush’s ridiculous words (Mission Accomplished) makes any sense.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:34 pmComment by CT V_1 — June 29, 2007 @ 1:33
Well then you have a problem.
You said you wanted the “TRUTH,” but only from Dems (or Libs/Islamo-Stalinists, I’m assuming).
June 29th, 2007 at 1:35 pmIslam - which was started by a extremist who didn’t think Chrisitanity went far enough - was created 1500 years ago with a mission of convert or die. They have been playing this game with the world for a long time and unless completely stopped will continue this war on the rest of us. History is pretty clear of what will happen when they are not challenged.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:35 pmPerhaps Shrubbie actually was seeing the future spread of terrorism being aided and abetted by the continuation of this illegal, amoral war when he said those infamous two words aboard the aircraft carrier: MissionAccomplished. This “mission” whether by design or happenstance, is THE only mission which Bush has accomplished and will become his legacy…..
Bush #43 Legacy: The Rise of Terrorism Globally
June 29th, 2007 at 1:36 pmScrew it.
TP keeps deleting my name and e-mail info as PIP,
Mr. President is back!!!!!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:36 pm#19Sacko Troll: Rotsa ruck, dude! What a concept…..moron!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pmThere is nothing illegal nor unjust about the War on Terror - Iraq being but one of many battlefields. The problem is we are not using enough might.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:38 pmComment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
HAR HAR, What’s an “Islamo-Stalinist”? HAR HAR
I couldn’t be one of those, regardless. I am incapable of carrying bad ideology. I love peace.
I support rapes in correctional facilities, though that’s exempt from “human rights”. Especially for Scooter Libby. He’s the most evilest criminal (political opponent) I knowee.
HERRRRE
June 29th, 2007 at 1:38 pmUnfortunately, for our idiot troll (John SackoCrapola) what is destroying this country is the Bush Cabal. We have little to fear from Muslim Extremists but much to fear from Christofascists and Neonazis among our midst….sitting in the highest offices of this country.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThe Bush-Nazis will save us all from the Islamo-fascists. As long as we maintain a proper level of fear.
Please for the sake of our republic, remain afraid and malleable to the terrorists who are trying to terrorize us all.
-Rove’s Sphincter
June 29th, 2007 at 1:38 pm22 - projection as the libtards say.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:38 pmI would expect shuch a dumb answer from a winger like you.
You don’t have to kill one single bee to remove e hive. All you have to do is put them to sleep with smoke, then move the bees and their hive to a different location.
Not to mention that bees are GOOD for the environment.
Now if you had said wasps nest, that would be different. But then your analogy would actually be talking about going after bin Laden in his cave.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:39 pmComment by John Sacks — June 29, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
Very true.
And by the way, all of you Leftist Muslim lovers,
Johnny rounded the number to 1500 so you don’t have to correct.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:39 pmGive an example of a Christofascists.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:39 pmJohn Sacks sounds like he’s half in the bag. Rove’s ball-bag that is.
-GSD
June 29th, 2007 at 1:39 pmI love the way these demented fools interchange the War in Iraq and the global War on Terror when, in fact, one began well in advance of the other. The continuation of the War in Iraq actually has exacerbated global terrorism and the United States has become a worldwide target due to it’s “preemptive strike policy”….
June 29th, 2007 at 1:40 pm30 - that is the extent of your intelligence I see.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:40 pmdon’t feed trollocchio, John Sacko$hit! He’s nothing but a worthless, ignorant moron. Freeze this idiot out.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pmGreetings, Mr. President
Long time, no see.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pm31 - you are wrong about that. We had not invaded Iraq when 9/11 and the rest of the terrorist attacks in the prior 8 years before 9/11 happened so your comment makes no sense.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pmChristianity - which was started as we know it by Emperor Constantine to control the masses, because his pagan gods were losing popularity - was created 2,000 years ago with a mission of convert or die. This was followed by other convert or die missions, like the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pmLet’s tell these village idiot trolls that we know precisely who they are….and no one here has any interest in dialoguing with a blathering fool. Adios Jake!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmComment by Typical Libecrat — June 29, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
You are an Islamo-Stalinist. Here are two definitions, remember them and shut the fukc up, muslim lover.
I say:
Islamo-Stalinism: synthesis of the most retarded aspects of the Islam-loving Left and Stalinism.
The Joker says:
Islamo-Stalinist means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmAlso known as a Dhimmi.
Christofascist exhibit A:
Spongebob Dobson.
-GSD
Let’s not forget murder advocating man of God Pat Robertson too.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmGive an example of a Christofascists.
Comment by John Sacks — June 29, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
George W Bush and you.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pm33 - As a typical liberal , you cannot make a comment without making a personal attack and using profanity in your discussion. Typical.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmBesides, when he invokes memories of 911, he’s definitely in a losing battle. Most americans doubt the official story now and are gathering the truth….I’d be careful what they ask for when them allude to 911….hahaha…shows what morons they really are.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:43 pm40 - thanks for making my point about your empty arguments.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:43 pmGreetings, Mr. President
Long time, no see.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 29, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Howdy, CT… heheheh.
Can you believe all these Islamo-Stalinist Lefties!?!?!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:43 pmJohn “Nutsaqs” —- strap on that M16, and get to fighting coward.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI’ve lived in peace with a beehive around. They mind their own business if you do too.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:44 pmIf you can’t take the heat, John Sacko$hit/Jake, get out of the TP kitchen then!…..what a totally inane dolt!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:44 pm42 - most Americans think that the conspiracy guys are a bunch of nuts. You are so wrong yet you believe you are so right. What drug are you taking for that?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThere is no such thing as a Christo-Fascist.
You guys are just being ridiculous.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pmComment by Mr. President — June 29, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Almost as bad as the Nazi-Bedwetting-Brownshirt-Christian-Taliban huh?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pm“33 - As a typical liberal , you cannot make a comment without making a personal attack and using profanity in your discussion. Typical.
Comment by John Sacks — June 29, 2007″
Coming from the Rush “Barack the Magic negro” Limbaugh and Ann “Making fun of dead children” Coulter wing of the Bush/Coulter Republican Party.
Funny stuff.
-GSD
June 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pm33 - As a typical liberal , you cannot make a comment without making a personal attack and using profanity in your discussion. Typical.
Comment by John Sacks
As a typical wingnut troll, you cannot make a comment without making a vague generality about liberals and babbling nonsense in your discussion. Typical.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pmActually, I come here to validate the facts that most liberals cannot debate, nor communicate - they can only whine, moan, bitch and cuss and make personal attacks on those that don’t agree with them.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pmthe war on terror is Cheney’s Long Protracted Wet Dream : $$$ and Power…
June 29th, 2007 at 1:46 pmSo, you have taken on other screen names and now are going to go with the rest of the trolls?
Sad, I thought you said you wanted to actually discuss things. I guess that isn’t true. Bummer.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:46 pm52 - I don’t think so - just read the threads on this drivel of a blog and the rest of them out there. The data is there in my favor on that one.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:46 pmActually, I come here to validate the facts that most liberals cannot debate, nor communicate - they can only whine, moan, bitch and cuss and make personal attacks on those that don’t agree with them.
Comment by John Sacks — June 29, 2007
Like Hannity and Couler and Limbaugh and Savage?
-GSD
June 29th, 2007 at 1:46 pmThreat of Terrorism Increased As a Result Of War In Iraq……
Gee, ya THINK?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:47 pmHey Spudge: I don’t think these morons want to get into a serious discussion about christofascism….and the level of terrorism, violence, and criminal behavior that it has in it’s history, do you?
I love the way the reichwing locksteppers spew their detritus -as though radical extremists are singular to the Islam faith. Christianity has a long history of extremism as well as convenient alteration of it’s basic precepts to suit the whims of the ruler at the time. Just look at Henry VIII and the Christian church of England for openers…
June 29th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI’m sorry I coined the term Islamo-Stalinist 3 days ago. Now the tards are overusing it.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:47 pmComment by GSD — June 29, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
That is not a Christo-Fascist. That is merely a preacher.
You however seem to be quite the Islamo-Stalinist.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:48 pmComment by John Sacks
The problem is that, instead of getting rid of the bee hive in your own back yard, you raid the vegetable garden in your neighbor’s yard.
What, exactly, has the current administration done to make the US safer since 9/11?
Are the ports more secure?
Are chemical plants more secure?
Are the borders more secure?
Have any of the 9/11 commission recommendations been put into effect?
Don’t give me “we’re fighin’ them over there so we don’t have to fight ‘em over here” line. It’s quite clear that nothing stands in the way of an individual that seeks to do us harm as the London attacks demonstrate.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:48 pmThe American people don’t like whining and moaning in general - that is why Liberal talk radio has been such a disaster and has garnered no audience. What liberals claim is whining and moaning on the right is actually truth and optimism, two things that undermind the liberal’s philosophy.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:48 pmChristo-fascists for Tim McVeigh!
-GSD
June 29th, 2007 at 1:48 pmAll forms of religious extremism need to be extinguished, or at least marginalized. Get back in your corner you freaks!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThe only thing these idiot trolls bring to the thread is a greater recruitment to the Democratic Party. I love it! Actually, it’s a “double win” for the left - these trolls come here and make utter fools of themselves and due to their overt lack of education, intelligence, and history, succeed in recruiting people to the Democratic party for us…..so don’t shoo them away for they have a valid purpose. Just freeze them out and make them look like idiots.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:49 pmHey guys. Let’s keep these threads nice and clean, shall we? Zooey’s back on line and she deserves only the best. So, let’s keep on trolling, but let’s maintain a certain level of professionalism at least when she’s posting in the thread. She’s just too cool to be messed with.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pmSo, you have taken on other screen names and now are going to go with the rest of the trolls?
Sad, I thought you said you wanted to actually discuss things. I guess that isn’t true. Bummer.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 29, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
I tell people when I switch.
Mostly it is because my info is deleted after a post and it is a bitch to type it all back in again. That never happened when I was “Mr President”
June 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWhat happened to “fightin’ em over there, so we won’t have to here?”
Oh right, not one of the Repukes talking points anymore…
June 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pm#65 You got it! Have you read Christopher Hitchen’s blockbuster entitled “God Is Not Great” yet?? It traces religion through the ages and illustrates how it has been used for evil, corrupt purposes. Radical religion of ANY kind is counterproductive to the human spirit.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pm59 - Your typical comparison of Chirtians and Muslims holds no water. Giving the moral equivalency of the actions of a few nutbag Christians to an entire global organizaed movement against all that is non Islam is flawed at its core.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pmDoes anybody have the TRUTH of what went down on 9/11?
Yup, Bush and Cheney are OIL WHOREBAGS and coxuckers of the Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS, the ones that are STILL funding Al Queda.
They are the OIL WHOREBAGS of the IslamoTERRORISTS.
TRAITORS to the USA.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:51 pmRepublicans: Make the United States LESS SAFE since 2001.
You can thank the Republicans for 9/11.
You can thank the Republicans for creating a terrorist breeding ground in Iraq.
You gotta wonder, is there ANYTHING Republicans know how to do correctly? Doesn’t seem so.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:51 pmRepuke trolls whine about personal attacks but support Mann Coulter, the queen bitch of personal attacks.
Repukes are inbred morons.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:51 pmAll forms of religious extremism need to be extinguished, or at least marginalized. Get back in your corner you freaks!
Comment by ForTruth — June 29, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
INDEED!!!
I say we blow up Mekka, Jerus*lem, and the Vatican.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:51 pmTrollsForZooey=Mr. President
June 29th, 2007 at 1:51 pmHey Mr. President.
Do you think Mr. Cheney, your VICE President, has crossed the line and is running the country for you?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:52 pmHowdy, CT… heheheh.
Can you believe all these Islamo-Stalinist Lefties!?!?!
Comment by Mr. President
Mr. President, you’ve apparently picked up on this true and sleek label for your opponent loons. I must warn you, however, that you’re going to see a lot more of these know-it-alls suddenly play stupid and inquire on both the definitions of “Islamo” and “stalinist.” It’s only one way these stupid loons seek to avoid accountability when confronted. Good luck, Texan.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:52 pmThe admin is in a catch 22. They want to launch another “attack” to get people all freaked out again, and get back in line, but they know it could very well backfire on them as people would get pissed about not being safe after putting up with Jorge’s antics.
So they decided to have the attacks occur in London. Fear can be instilled in Americans, and they are still safe. Good call Karl.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:52 pm#69 Yes….that ridiculously inhumane talking point of the GOP is now finished! How self-righteous of us to use such a disgusting talking point like that in the first place. It implies that we are thrilled that the war is succeeding in the murder of hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis -men, women and children. And we should somehow be proud to spout that off? Amazing how ignorant these folks can be to even suggest such a heinous thing.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:52 pmLiberals are mostly losers who dropped out of school, have no jobs, live in their parent’s basements and mooch off of their conservative friends who have careers and can afford to pay for the wacky friend.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pmHey Mr. President.
Do you think Mr. Cheney, your VICE President, has crossed the line and is running the country for you?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 29, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Not at all. He is a great Veep.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pmTheir “fear tactics” no longer work here in this country. We now KNOW that our worst enemies are those “within”….sorry boys, but you’re going to have to try to push our buttons some other way.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pm# 58 - Threat of Terrorism Increased As a Result Of War In Iraq……
Gee, ya THINK? — Right? How were we all to know that terrorists don’t like being hounded and harassed when they’re trying to kill people. Like John Sacks said earlier, when you take out a hornet’s nest, you’re gonna rile a few of ‘em, and possibly be stung…..The nest still has to go.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pmJohn Stacks,
Your beehive metaphor is faulty on two levels.
The first is a misunderstanding of the nature of bees. You can live peacefully with a beehive in your backyard if you do not bother the beehive.
The second is a misunderstanding of geography. You metaphor implies that a backyard is a place where a person should live in peace. I think you meant this as the place where people live or their country. It does not make sense for someone to eliminate a terrorist who is not in his backyard because the terrorist does not present a threat. The coalition of the willing invaded iraq under the premise that we should fight the terrorists in iraqs backyard. so they left their backyards and entered the iraq’s backyard and stirred up the beehive there. So maybe a better metaphor is to not stir up the beehives in your neighbors backyards because then you are going to cause the bees to sting both you and them. Point in case, we invaded iraq and now 3500+ americans are dead and 150,000+ iraqs are dead. Maybe americans didnt really understand the beehive and should have just left it alone?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:54 pmTrollsForZooey=Mr. President
No I’m not. I’m a conglomerate of trolls, representing multiple people, who just happen to think that Zooey’s the coolest person on this site ever. As far as I know, the person known by his/her moniker “Mr. President” is not one of us.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:54 pmTrollsForZooey=Mr. President
Comment by Fact Man — June 29, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Umm… Zooey’s my friend and I try to respect her.
Fact Man = Flat-out wrong
June 29th, 2007 at 1:54 pmya know….anyone still smelling something fishy in the official story about 911 need only cogitate on that thought and the blaring contradiction of Bush not reacting while immersed totally in a first grade book along with keeping our borders open for 5 years following it….duh! Any moron knows that if there’s danger lurking nearby, you certainly don’t leave your doors unlocked! What a group of total nut cases.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:55 pmComment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — June 29, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Furry clump, may I refer you to my subsequent postings on the Tony Snow/subpeonas thread. That would be much appreciated.
Those smoke alarms must be a constant nuisance in hell, huh? Don’t forget a fire extinguisher in every room. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH!!!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 1:55 pmStupid racist Repuke troll blames all 1.2 billion Muslims for the terrorist acts of a few.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:55 pmNah drew, we need to take out the rest of them. They want to kill us, they will not stop until they are dead. Get it?
June 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pmJohn has resorted to attempts at pressing our buttons.
No John, its the other way around. You are in your mom’s basement blogging in between masturbation sessions.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pmMr. Pee/PiPpy, can you be a little more specific about what the term “Islamo-Stalinist” means?
What elements of “Islamo” do you feel typifies this imaginary left? What elements of “Stalinism” apply, and how do these two seemingly inconsistent ideologies mesh into a scary-sounding threat to all this is good and prosperous?
Or is it just (as I suspect) a meaningless amalgam of evil-sounding labels that suits your purpose of demonizing those that disagree with your unsophisticated worldview?
I’ll need that answer in the form of an essay.
Thank you.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pmStupid racist Repuke troll blames all 1.2 billion Muslims for the terrorist acts of a few.
Comment by Tom3 — June 29, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
No one said that, idiot.
You are obviously an Islamo-Stalinist.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pm90 - Not all - but many. I do believe that traditional Islam is not compatable with American culture.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pmToo bad Republicans didn’t spend any time “fighting them over here” before they allowed Al Qaeda to fly jet airliners into the World Trade Center and The Pentagon.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pmComment by Mr. President
Update: Muslimshiteaters ™.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pm“Liberals are mostly losers who dropped out of school, have no jobs, live in their parent’s basements and mooch off of their conservative friends who have careers and can afford to pay for the wacky friend.
Comment by John Sacks — June 29, 2007″
Troll Malfunction, please reprogram with new message:
Liberals are rich, blue-blooded elites who go to Ivy Leagues schools, drive around in limos and Volvo’s , spend millions on giant houses, drink latte and travel to France, Cuba and Venezuela.
Enact troll reprogramming flash now!
-Rove-Bot 2000
June 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThe fact that you change names from time to time was not the point of my post.
June 29th, 2007 at 1:59 pmNah John Stack, can’t you see that using violence to solve this problem has only lead to more violence and terrorism? Thats the whole point of this post. America will never be able to take out all of the terrorists with physical force which has been demonstrated over the past 50 years. Our foreign policy is failing us. We need a new direction.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:00 pmLiberals have both extremes no doubt. I would venture to say that the rich ones inherited their money - they didn’t work for it. Actors in Holywood are like that in the way that they really didn’t work for their money either.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI agree here. Actors are waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy over paid.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:02 pmJohn lots of liberal types work their asses off. Lots of conservitards come from rich families and don’t do shit.
I don’t think there is a significant difference on either side. People are gonna be people in that regard.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:03 pm104 - wrong. The work your ass off liberal is an exception to the rule.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:03 pmJohn Sacks and Drew:
Terrorists are not bees. They don’t react like bees. This is a problem that cannot be solved with platitudes, parables or fables. Unfortunately, this administration gleaned only the intelligence and predictions that would support their preordained agenda. Then they act surprised that things actually turned out the way they did.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:04 pm105 - yea, they are more like roaches.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pmComment by spit take — June 29, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Well, you’ll get it in comment form, and if you don’t like it, eat a dick.
The Islamo part comes from the term Islamist. An Islamist is someone who thinks that Muslims have a unique way of living and that that some how exempts them from “Western” standards, there is more to it but you’ll have to research that yourself, bucko.
A Stalinist is, of course, a form of communism.
The two terms combined denote you.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pmYeah, sure Nazi IslamoTERRORIST azzhole-licker of TRAITOR Bush the COXUCKER punk Saudi OIL WHOREBAG.
So, tell us azzhole-licker of TRAITOR Bush,
WHY did Bush and Cheney REFUSE TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission??
i.e. SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE USA??
Come on, Nazi azzhole-licker, BRING IT ON.
Because ALL of YOUR barbs directed toward ME mean that YOU can’t be taken seriously, especially since you support WAR CRIMINALS.
The REAL WAR CRIMINALS are the Bushes, and they and YOU will burn in hell for ETERNITY.
And Bush and Cheney are COXUCKER punk TRAITORS to the USA..
BURN!
SIZZLE!
FRY!
TOAST!
ROAST!
SINGE!
Have a nice day!!!
See you in hell Nazi azzhole-licker (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
June 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COWARDLY AWOL TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo, Inc.)
In 2009, the Democraut Party will seek to inject an Obamo-Stalinist into the White House.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by spit take — June 29, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Why would it sound evil?
June 29th, 2007 at 2:06 pmUmm… Zooey’s my friend and I try to respect her.
Comment by Mr. President — June 29, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Sure, you TRY, but she’s DEFINITELY not your friend.
=)
June 29th, 2007 at 2:06 pmAnd yet, we have not had another terrorist attack in the U.S. since 9/11.
Many of the “learned” posters here may attribute this to the Bush admin. and their anti-terrorism policies. Ha!
I think it has more to do with the “terrorists” being told to “stand down”
June 29th, 2007 at 2:08 pmLet’s face it; if they wanted to, they can get in to this country, and blow themselves up in a shopping mall. So, why haven’t they?
Because their masters have not given the order. Their masters are still in place, and still in control, and will strike when they deem the time is right; say, just prior to losing the White House in 2008.
Zooey has a babe complex to her, you can tell by her words.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI must warn you, however, that you’re going to see a lot more of these know-it-alls suddenly play stupid and inquire on both the definitions of “Islamo†and “stalinist.†It’s only one way these stupid loons seek to avoid accountability when confronted. Good luck, Texan.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 29, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
Yeah, good point. The irrefutable logic of creating a meaningless hyphenated epithet and applying it indiscriminately to anyone who objects or disagrees is totally money.
You don’t have to come up with a meaningful explanation, because those who inquire are not seeking clarification; they’re merely trying to “avoid accountability”. Accountability for what, you haven’t explained and, if pattern holds, you won’t.
So you and your troll buddies can high-five each other for scoring major points in the troll TP-equivalent of “Second Life”. — It’s not ThinkProgress, but it is a nearly life-like fantasy world, a world in which “Islamo-Stalinist” makes perfect sense and answers all questions, a world that suits your purposes and boosts your egos so cruelly battered by the larger, reality-based community.
Far be it from me to intrude on the only sense of accomplishment you boys will ever be able to simulate. Enjoy.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:09 pm#113: Come on. Don’t be a hater.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:11 pmThe fact that you change names from time to time was not the point of my post.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 29, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Then what is your problem.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:11 pmDo my posts offend you?
Look at “Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell” on any thread, any day.
Re: “105 - yea, they are more like roaches.
Comment by John Sacks — June 29, 2007 @ 2:05 pm”
Whatever happen to “Actually, I come here to validate the facts that most liberals cannot debate, nor communicate ”
Went right out the window, I suppose.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:11 pmComment by spit take — June 29, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
I’ve given you idiots the definition multiple times.
The words “Islamist” and “Stalinist” are not new at all.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:12 pm#71
June 29th, 2007 at 2:13 pmA few nutbag Christians?
Like the crusades
Like the inquisition
Like the 50 million who allegedly voted for Bush?
Typical Islamo-Stalinist Know-it-all.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
Ah the NEOCON NAZI has spoken.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pmEveryone here should respect Zooey, after all, she LIVES here.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pm$120 - The original Crusades were a defensive move to Islamic aggresion in Eastern and Southern Europe. Your last more current one is nothing but a comment, not a definition.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pmOnce again, foiled by THE POLICE, NOT THE MILITARY.
HE-LLLOO???
June 29th, 2007 at 2:15 pmAh the NEOCON NAZI has spoken.
Comment by shane — June 29, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Whatever shane, I bet you haven’t even tried to google “democrat + stalinist”
June 29th, 2007 at 2:16 pmTypical Arrogant Lefty-Defeatist.
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES
The CHRISTO FASCIST WAR MONGERING CORPORATIST speaks.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:17 pmPRIMVS,
June 29th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI like your posts better under your Clinton screenname. At least they made me laugh sometimes.
Comment by spit take
Cutting through your self-assuring academic babble, YOU, sir, are an Islamo-Stalinist. The “reality-based” titling of your postings signify nothing, is purely weak.
‘Islamo-Stalinist’ is the correct label according to your tanking ideology. You will need to accept that.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:18 pmIs anybody willing to share what they know?
(I’m only accepting versions from the democratics, as of note, so other parties need not apply.)
Comment by CT V_1
Oh isn’t that cute, you’re chumming for Ace. Or are you the baid that PIP puts on the hook to get him here?
June 29th, 2007 at 2:18 pmOh goody another Christianist for me to educate. Welcome John Sucks… Or are you just another alias for the choleric troll m12? Anyway…
Let’s examing the peaceful and loving nature of Christianity, shall we?
Lesson One:
The Christian Crusades 1095-1291
A series of seven medieval campaigns occuring during the time of Medieval England against Muslims.
The Christian Inquisition 1233 - 1808
Ultimately it was a lengthy period of Christians persecuting non-Christians and Jews, for the sake of conversion. In Spain alone an estimated 31,912 heretics were burned at the stake, 17,659 were burned in effigy and 291,450 made reconciliations in the Spanish Inquisition.
The Christian Salem Witch Trials 1692
Women were burned at the stake for being accused of witchcraft.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:20 pmComment by shane
The President was already here. I want to know the TRUTH about 9/11, since all of you claim to have it on ice.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pmMr. Bush goes to Hell
June 29th, 2007 at 2:22 pmYour language is a bit rough but I do agree in general
Women were burned at the stake for being accused of witchcraft.
Comment by unbelievable — June 29, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Oh great, another religious kook.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:22 pmComment by Mr. President — June 29, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Well, you’ll get it in comment form, and if you don’t like it, eat a dick.
What a douche-bag. Oh, that’s right — t’s Mr. Pee. Incapable of civilized discourse because he either has limited language skills, limited comprehension or just a deep sense of inferiority.
The Islamo part comes from the term Islamist. An Islamist is someone who thinks that Muslims have a unique way of living and that that some how exempts them from “Western†standards, there is more to it but you’ll have to research that yourself, bucko.
The picture becomes clearer. It’s probably limited comprehension. I don’t know where you get your belief that posters on TP think that “Muslims have a unique way of living that exempts them from ‘Western’ standards”, or why (if that even made any sense) that term would apply automatically to anyone who criticized Bush’s policy in the middle east.
Actually, “bucko”, it’s you who think Muslims are so much different than the west.
A Stalinist is, of course, a form of communism.
Wow. That was illuminating. Do you even know what communism is? I doubt it, or else you wouldn’t try to inject it into a discussion like this. Granted, it’s a pathetic attempt, but it’s an attempt nonetheless.
The two terms combined denote you.
Can you point to a single thing that I have posted that leads to the conclusion that I am either an “Islamist” or a “Stalinist/communist”?
Let me help you out so you don’t embarrass yourself too badly — disagreeing with you is de facto evidence of neither.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:23 pmprojection as the libtards say.
Comment by John Sacks
Back at you Johnny Sackashit, you NEOCON NAZI CHRISTO FASCIST.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIslamo-stalinism? LOL!
A phony ideology cooked up by Repuke trolls living in a delusional Bizzaro World.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:25 pmLesson Two:
Let’s see what the loving and peaceful things the the bible says you should do to non-Christians:
“If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.”
–Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB
“They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.”
–2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB
“Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.”
June 29th, 2007 at 2:26 pm–Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT
John Sacks sounds like he’s half in the bag. Rove’s ball-bag that is.
-GSD
Maybe we should cut Sacksashit some slack. It’s not easy typing from under Rove’s desk with your mouth full and your eyes full of t*st*cles.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:26 pmLOL!!
June 29th, 2007 at 2:26 pmSo much for all the conservofascist ranting in the previous post. You trolls are dumb as sh!t.
Oh great, another religious kook.
Comment by Mr. President — June 29, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Atheism is not a religion. Buy a dictionary.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:27 pmCutting through your self-assuring academic babble, YOU, sir, are an Islamo-Stalinist. The “reality-based†titling of your postings signify nothing, is purely weak.
‘Islamo-Stalinist’ is the correct label according to your tanking ideology. You will need to accept that.
Comment by CT V_1 — June 29, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
As I asked of your teammate, please point to a single statement I have posted that supports your insistence that I am an “Islamo-Stalinist”.
Of course, if it’s a meaningless term, you won’t have to come up with any empirical backup. You guys made up the term, so you can apply it however you wish — you don’t have to adhere to any commonly accepted customs of language and word use.
Of course, simply insisting that an opponent is an “Islamo-Stalinist” without explaining why that term is appropriate could be seen as an admission that the term itself is meaningless.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:29 pmLesson Three:
Let’s examine the nurturant way that the Lord God commands Christians to treat infants:
1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless “suckling” infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocksâ€.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:29 pmCan you point to a single thing that I have posted that leads to the conclusion that I am either an “Islamist†or a “Stalinist/communist�
Comment by spit take — June 29, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
You’ll know when I cite your post and say something like:
“Typical Islamo-Stalinist wussy” and the such.
As for your last post:
Typical Lefty Know-it-all
June 29th, 2007 at 2:30 pmOffense at a post is not something that ever happens with me, so no.
What I am talking about was that I thought we had come to an understanding the other day (remember the whole raising a beer thing?) Just to finds out that you just took a different screen name and are trolling just for trollings sake.
I thought I found another conservative that I would be able to debate stuff with on their merits, to find out you just want to get a rise outta people.
That is what I find sad. I really would like to have some normal conservatives come on here and actually hold a conversation, even if it gets heated. But, you don’t seem to want that.
It’s up to you. I can’t force you to converse with other Americans who just want to make this country better, whether we have differing opinions or not. I thought we had made some progress, but I guess not.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWhere’s Johnny?
Another conservative drop-out?
Figures…
June 29th, 2007 at 2:30 pmAll you Bushofascists are so amusing
June 29th, 2007 at 2:32 pmShe’s just too cool to be messed with.
Comment by TrollsForZooey
Wow the only “other” Zooey stalker is michael. Is that you little mikey. Or did one of you other trolls get bitch slapped and is hiding under a new name. Do tell.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:32 pmalso 99% aggree that the war has made us less safe
them bloody 1%ers
June 29th, 2007 at 2:33 pmMostly it is because my info is deleted after a post and it is a bitch to type it all back in again. That never happened when I was “Mr Presidentâ€
Comment by Mr. President
How hard is it to type Islamo Fascist? You don’t have anything else to say any more.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:34 pm145 - Here’s Johnny.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pmWTF? We’re not stalkers. We admire her and we don’t want her to feel uncomfortable under any circumstances. Most of us in this colletive have an intellectual crush on her, so that’s why we’re doing this.
Zooey. If you want me/us to stop posting, just say so. We’ll stop.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pmNot at all. He is a great Veep.
Comment by Mr. President
Spoken like a true LOCKSTEPPING, BROWN SHIRT, NEOCON NAZI, CHRISTOFASCIST. Supporting Cheney, what else would you call that?
June 29th, 2007 at 2:38 pmYesterday someone said that Talk Radio is nothing but old angry white guys. I have heard more blacks, hispanics and woman call into these shows than old white men in recent days.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pmStupid racist Repuke troll blames all 1.2 billion Muslims for the terrorist acts of a few.
Comment by Tom3 — June 29, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
No one said that, idiot.
You are obviously an Islamo-Stalinist.
Comment by Mr. President
He was replying to a Sacksashit post. Is that you too, Zooey’s new stalker?
June 29th, 2007 at 2:42 pmActors in Holywood are like that in the way that they really didn’t work for their money either.
Comment by John Sacks
So Sacksashit, what are you a Christocommunist? Actors only make money if they make money for the studio. Should all that money go to the state then Commrade?
June 29th, 2007 at 2:45 pmWhat is a Chrisocommunist? That is a new made up hate word I am assuming but I have not seen it.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:46 pmThe work your ass off liberal is an exception to the rule.
Comment by John Sacks
F*ck you assh*le, my husband works 6 days a week from 7 am to 7 pm. What the f*ck are you doing keyboard commando? Why don’t you talk about something you know? Oh that’s right, you don’t have a clue about apeshit anything.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:47 pmSure, actors are just meet to the studios but they make enough money without really working for it to become a limosine liberal slackoff. Then they are stupid enough to believe that anyone really cares what a highschool dropout who plays makebelieve for a living has to say.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:47 pmAnother new “feature” here. Name and email disappear with each refresh.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:48 pm157 - while your Conservative husband is working and paying for your toenails, your cabana boy and the rest of your excesive living, I am talking to you.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:48 pmSo Sacksashit, what are you a Christocommunist? Actors only make money if they make money for the studio. Should all that money go to the state then Commrade?
Comment by shane — June 29, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
You can play dumb all you want. But the truth is, everyone KNOWS what an Islamo-Stalinist is, everyone KNOWS what an Islamo-Fascist is.
Your just making up words because you have no argument.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:48 pmAnother new “feature†here. Name and email disappear with each refresh.
Comment by gummitch — June 29, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Lovely, ain’t it?
June 29th, 2007 at 2:49 pmUmm… Zooey’s my friend and I try to respect her.
Comment by Mr. President — June 29, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Sure, you TRY, but she’s DEFINITELY not your friend.
=)
Comment by Fact Man
PIPpy doesn’t know he doesn’t have any friends around here, except that *ssl*cker CT which is probably you Fat Man.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:49 pm157 - and I bet your Cabana boy is probably Gay but willing to eat that nasty snatch of yours because he is illegal and you threaten to turn him in.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:50 pmAnother new “feature†here. Name and email disappear with each refresh.
Comment by gummitch — June 29, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Just making it easier for the five trolls to pretend like there are a lot more of them…
June 29th, 2007 at 2:50 pmYour just making up words because you have no argument.
Comment by Mr. President
My lord, the irony.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:51 pmZooey has a babe complex to her, you can tell by her words.
Comment by CT V_1
And what kind of complex do you have, impotent *ssk*sser? You’re talking about Zooey, are you out of you effing mind, oh never mind.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:51 pmSo you and your troll buddies can high-five each other for scoring major points in the troll TP-equivalent of “Second Lifeâ€. — It’s not
Comment by spit take
Only problem is spit take, when PIPpy and CT high five each other they don’t use their hands, if you know what I mean. But then again, they don’t have 5 between the two of them, not even end to end.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWhat happened on 9/11/01? Ok, here’s my stab at it.
19 well educated, fanatical Saudi men defamed their religion by hijacking four airliners, crashing 2 of them into the symbols of our economic might (the World Trade Center buildings), one into the symbol of our military might (the Pentagon), and the fourth one may have been intended for the Congress or Whitehouse. Three reached their targets, the forth one was brought down by American citizens short of its goal.
(Betcha you were expecting: Those planes were military/run by CIA agents as a false flag mission. Occam’s razor, dude. In this case, the simplest explanation makes sense. However, the government had a hand in this, IMO)
Even though they had plenty of warning this was coming, a combination of incompetence (somewhat rectified by the Patriot Act, too bad the rest of the act is an Orwellian Masterpiece) and willful negligence by the Bush administration (warnings through the spring and summer leading up to 11 September that Bush ignored, including the August PDB) allowed the 19 men to carry out their mission.
Why? Well, old fashioned detective stories help here.
Do they have the means? Hell yeah! All it takes is a ‘You’ve done your job, son’, and Dubya is scott free.
Do they have the motive? Most definitely. They’ve been gunning for Iraq ever since before Clinton got in office. Bush has a personal interest in taking down Saddam. AND this is another Vietnam style war for Bush to make profit on and slam his political adversaries with. The same BS is being triped out now over the War in Iraq as was in the so-called Vietnam Conflict on both sides of the aisle.
And the opportunity? Well, here it is. September 11th. A day given on a golden platter for Bush’s admin to start a takeover that’s Nixonian in its view.
The trouble with you, CT V_1, is you trust Bush and his government, probably implicitly. Alot of us don’t. Low poll numbers reflect this. The low poll numbers of the Congress do not refute this, they support it! Most Americans in general and myself in particular do not _trust_ the President, and are dismayed at the House of Representatives and Senate that they haven’t _done_ anything about it. You try to paint opposition to your beloved Bush in tones of ‘Islamo-Stalinist’, which makes you a fool when you paint a libertarian or moderate Democrat who is anti-war with such a brush.
The people you support deserve a title. Christian Fascists (or ‘Christo-Fascists’ to save space). Fascism: The practice of making Loyalty to the State more important than loyalty to anything else. Christianity is a tool (your own people have said so!) to accomplish this goal. To dissent with Bush is to be anti-American. So be it. I dissented with Clinton. I dissented with Bush Senior. And I have suffered (personally suffered!) 6 years of rule by Bush Junior, and last time I took civics (back in ‘91), I distinctly remember that dissent was a very patriotic thing to do. If dissenting with your beloved Bush makes me Anti-American, then guess what? I don’t WANT to be American anymore.
I distrust your leader, CT, and frankly, I distrust you as well. And everything you and your leader say, I intend on disputing and distrusting.
June 29th, 2007 at 2:55 pmJohn Sacks needs to be dealt with on three levels:
First, John seems to believe that liberals are a bunch of losers that mooch off their rich conservative friends. The problem, John, is that the statistics show you to be wrong. The states with the greatest per capita income are blue states. They send more of their federal tax dollars to states that have higher poverty, less health insured people, greater unemployment, higher rates of teenaged and unmarried pregnancies/greater divorce rates. They also tend to have the worst school systems. These states are, by in large, red states. The actual facts tend to indicate that the Republican form of governmentprovide for the worst social outcomes. Some would say that this indicates that most Republicans are lazy, stupid, uneducated and lack moral fiber. Certainly, the Repbulican elite pushes the theory that if you do not get rich in this country it is because you are somehow lacking as an individual. Democrats tend to believe that it is indeed the failure of Republican party values and policies that cause this result.
Second, John believes that there are only islamo fascists. Sorry John, every religion breeds its extremists. The Romans had their feeding of the Christians to the lions. The Christians had their Inquisition. There has traditionally been hostility between Catholics and Protestants (try Ireland). We have seen the KKK based on Christian values and abortion clinic bombers. We should not condem all of Christianity based upon these examples. We should not attempt to condemn all Islam either. However, our very real enemies in the Islamic world hope that we think and express these views. They want to turn this into a vast clash of the west against the middle east. You oblige them with your ignorant reaction and therefore aid and abet their efforts.
Third, John does not understand how to deal with terrorism or assymmetrical warfare.
a. Our opponents look to make small, sharp attacks in order to provoke an over-reaction on our part. Thus, instead of dealing with Osama and Al Quaeda in Afghanistan: we split our forces and left the job undone. By attacking a country that was not involved in the 9/11 attack, we struck a pose as a threat in the region.
b. Our opponents depend upon our inability to understand the culture within which they exist and to exercise hubris in our response. We went to war in Iraq when our President did not really know the differences between the three major religious/ethnic groups in the country. The Right Wingers, like John, were so over confident as to believe that we could attack and watch as the adoring people threw flowers in our path. Yea, likely story. Our failure to anticipate the resulting insurrection, our failure to react to the general chaos in the days immediately after the “mission was accomplished” and our continuing failure to understand the nature of the insurrection guaranteed military failure.
c. John does not understand that the blind use of force will indeed be counter productive. It must be measured and selective. Imagine if we had decisively taken out the Taliban and Al Quaeda in Afghanistan. Imagine if we had followed that victory with a well-thought-out reconstruction program. We had enjoyed the support of the entire Islamic world after 9/11. Even Iran offered help We could suspect their sincerety but not the poliltical straight jacket that world opinion had placed them in. Then we could have turned our attention to Iraq and accomplished our goals with diplomatically and with a minimum of force.
I could go on. However, John’s thinking tends to be rigid, intellectually incurious and simplistic. I also sense one other problem with John that I have seen with many of the Chickenhawks. They are ruled by fear and cowardice. This causes them to see the potential end of civilization caused by a relatively small (although admitedly dangerous) group of radicals. I am sorry John but this does not come near to the threat our country faced from Nazi Germany, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the Cold War or other past challenges our nation has faced. Al Quaeda was widly successful in its 9/11 attack. This should have been their greatest loss because of the revulsion shared by the entire world (including