McCain plans to return to Iraq on Monday.
By on Jun 29th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
McCain plans to return to Iraq on Monday.
CNN reports, “Normally VIP visits to Iraq are kept under wraps, at least until the day of the trip. But Senator John McCain Friday night said he’s going to Iraq next week.” In April, the last time he visited in Iraq, McCain claimed Americans were “not getting the full picture” of the situation in Iraq. On that same visit, McCain was escorted through a Baghdad market with 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters, and 2 Apache gunships. Here’s the video from that visit:
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Will he wear the flak jacket underneath or over his dress?
(Well, it’s working for Rudi!!!)
June 29th, 2007 at 10:59 pmI hope he’s going as a Senator because his run for President if OVER.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:02 pm“Tell me why
June 29th, 2007 at 11:03 pmI don’t like Mondays”
McCain is simply trying to resurrect a dead campaign after the immigration fiasco but at least he is willing to boot his boots on the ground there.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:04 pmIs he TRYING to get shot or blown up so that people will vote for him is he is injured? You can’t vote for him if he is dead! Though, he probably won’t venture out of the Green Zone.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:06 pm(OK, another book plug.. Just read “Imperial Life in the Emerald City”. Informative reading and great writing. It is about life in the Green Zone and how we got to where we are today).
McCain is going to Iraq to campaign as a fund raiser. Now notice he’s getting nothing in the US everyone is wise to his lies. Now he’s going to the Iraq Market Place to raise money for his campaign. The people of Arizona don’t want McCain and the promise Bush made to give him the election he can no longer do. So it’s off to Iraq to do some fund raising. I wonder how much they will give him? Notice McCain says the Market Place is safe yet he’s not taking his wife. McCain now wishes he never gave Bush that hug and that he lied for the GOP.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:08 pmLet me guess, he will come back talking about how much progress is being made, how the surge is working, etc., etc. Ten years from now, when the war is still going on, he will be working in talk radio and talking about how the latest stay the course strategy is working.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:08 pmIraq’s just like Vegas. Plenty of sand and one-armed bandits…
McCain’s seen the latest odds, and knows Rudy’s kicking his ass. This is McCain’s version of going “all in” for the ‘08 primary.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:09 pmMaybe we’ll all get lucky and McCain will surrender himself to some Iraqi peasant like he did to that rice farmer in Vietnam all those years ago.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:09 pmIt’s so the people in the market will have time to run away. They saw what happened to the market last time…
June 29th, 2007 at 11:11 pmHe’s going to Iraq for the 4th of July,
June 29th, 2007 at 11:11 pm’cause that’s where all the really loud fireworks are.
Will he wear the flak jacket underneath or over his dress?
He will wear the flak jacket where ever AEI tells him too.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:12 pmMaybe we’ll all get lucky and McCain will surrender himself to some Iraqi peasant like he did to that rice farmer in Vietnam all those years ago.
Comment by Snowball
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think McCain’s military record should be attacked.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:12 pmNow he’s going to the Iraq Market Place to raise money for his campaign.
he’s going there cus that was the last place someone saw that $18 billion in cash!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:14 pmSo is all the money for the heightened security going to come out of his presidential war chest? No? Oh the taxpayers will be picking this up…..hmmm…… sounds presidential Repub style to me.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:14 pmZooey is right on 13
June 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pmI mean, how sad and pathetic is it the Rudy Giuliani is kicking ANYONE’S ass..?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pmHe doesn’t need security…it’s the DAMN liberal media that makes Iraq look bad. The explosions and dying kids are all CGI.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:18 pmMaybe it’s just me, but I don’t think McCain’s military record should be attacked.
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Why not, he stood by silently and let it happen to John Kerry who was actually a hero? A shear act of cowardice if ever there was one. Now he solidly stands behind Bush and a pointless act of an illegal “pre-emptive” war sending young troops to needless death. He’s earned it if anyone has.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:18 pmThe same security was provided for Obama and Hillary when they visited Iraq and I doubt they paid for it either. Does that sound presidential Repub or Dem style to you?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:19 pmHe doesn’t need security…it’s the DAMN liberal media that makes Iraq look bad. The explosions and dying kids are all CGI.
Comment by willyloman — June 29, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
If that helps you sleep better at night believing that, then go ahead. More power to you.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:20 pmSorry Z but I gotta go with Snowball on that one. McCain jumped on the cruise with the SwiftBoaters, and reversed course on his stance on the occupation for a nomination. He gets whatever the angry public want to throw. Should be tomatoes and bricks.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThe same security was provided for Obama and Hillary when they visited Iraq and I doubt they paid for it either. Does that sound presidential Repub or Dem style to you?
Comment by Godzirra
Yeah, but they didn’t come back comparing the situation to a farmer’s market in Indiana or brag about buying a rug for $5.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:22 pmHe’s earned it if anyone has.
You can berate McCain for his recent actions but there is no doubting his service record or the hell he endured in the POW prisons.
Same goes for Murtha, some people dont like his current political stance but the man served honorably.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:22 pmWhy not, he stood by silently and let it happen to John Kerry who was actually a hero? A shear act of cowardice if ever there was one. Now he solidly stands behind Bush and a pointless act of an illegal “pre-emptive†war sending young troops to needless death. He’s earned it if anyone has.
Comment by Snowball
Everything you said is true, but it’s still not right.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:23 pmWHO’S PAYING FOR THIS PHOTO OP?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:24 pmHis actual military record seems to be a serial bumble,
June 29th, 2007 at 11:24 pmculminating in capture by the enemy.
Not exactly encouraging.
Only a little better than G. “aWol” Bush.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think McCain’s military record should be attacked.
Comment by Zooey
Agreed. His military record is something he should be proud of. He went through things most could not imagine. But……that brings up another point. He has seen what blanket incarceration and torture does and yet he champions the same thing he vilifies in other speeches. It all depends on the situation and audience for McCain. He has worn out that backbone he once had and turned into a panderer. No matter the time and situation right is right and wrong is wrong. He chooses to scramble those words dependent on the crowd.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:24 pmYawn* Concern trolls.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmEverything you said is true, but it’s still not right.
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Zooey, this is how you do it:
Typical Islamo-Stalinist.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmSorry Z but I gotta go with Snowball on that one. McCain jumped on the cruise with the SwiftBoaters, and reversed course on his stance on the occupation for a nomination. He gets whatever the angry public want to throw. Should be tomatoes and bricks.
Comment by willyloman
Throw your bricks and tomatoes for what McCain is doing NOW, not for what he did in the military.
Why are you wanting to act in as ugly a manner as the Swift Boaters?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmYeah, but they didn’t come back comparing the situation to a farmer’s market in Indiana or brag about buying a rug for $5.
Irrelevant. The post I responded to decried the cost of security as if dems werent offered the same service which also hit the taxpayers.
Some might attack Pelosi for shopping in downtown Damascus after meeting with the dictator Assad.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmSnowball is correct on 19 but attacks should be placed in their rightful and strategic places. McCain’s prior service seems to be neither of these
June 29th, 2007 at 11:26 pmWill he stay there this time and not come back?!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:27 pmI used to have a lot of respect for John McCain. Deservedly so.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:27 pmI don’t any more. Nor do I trust his motives. It is like he sold his soul and his integrity, almost like he went into a hock shop and traded in his medals and his accomplishments for cash. And for what.. I have no respect for the things he is doing or saying at this point. There are too many lives at stake, and the future of this country.
Yawn* Concern trolls.
Comment by Snowball
Am I right to assume you’re directing that at me?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:27 pmSorry Z but I gotta go with Snowball on that one. McCain jumped on the cruise with the SwiftBoaters, and reversed course on his stance on the occupation for a nomination. He gets whatever the angry public want to throw. Should be tomatoes and bricks.
Comment by willyloman — June 29, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
Wow. Tomatoes and bricks.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:28 pmTypical Islamo-Stalinist who wants to be an Islamo-Fascist.
Typical Islamo-Stalinist.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 29, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
You can act as stupid as you want, Mr P. I’m not getting into it.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pmQuestion:
What else is going on that this event will distract Media Attention?
Or, even more perverse, is McCain to be martyred to Bush’s “noble cause?”
Why are they announcing it ahead of time? I mean, think about it. McCain is a high interest target for anyone resisting the US occupation of Iraq.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pmMcCain is going to go to Baghdad to try to prove it’s safe, so this time he plans to strip buck naked and run down one street with no military protection. Iraqis will be so shocked that they will forget to shoot him.
Plus he wants to buy more of those cheap rugs, but nobody told him that market was blown to bits and the rug merchant murdered.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pmService to one’s country is noble in a noble cause. Blanket admiration for service irrigardless of the factual accounting of that service does not support the troops. it demeans the those who have served honorably by lumping them in with those that did not.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:30 pmAm I right to assume you’re directing that at me?
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
If the shoe fits…
June 29th, 2007 at 11:30 pmComment by willyloman
Comment by Snowball
Maybe you Islamo-Lovers will get really lucky and some MuslimShiteater ™ will saw off his head!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:31 pmIf the shoe fits…
Comment by Snowball
Suit yourself.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pmIrrelevant. The post I responded to decried the cost of security as if dems werent offered the same service which also hit the taxpayers.
Some might attack Pelosi for shopping in downtown Damascus after meeting with the dictator Assad.
Comment by Godzirra
Not irrelevant. The Repub go to Iraq and lie thru their teeth. McCain is basically going as a campaign stop. Did Pelosi go shopping in Damascus? If you have proof, provide it. Otherwise stop making false analogies.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pmSome might attack Pelosi for shopping in downtown Damascus after meeting with the dictator Assad.
Comment by Godzirra
When did the US invade and occupy Syria? Wow..must have snoozed on that one. If we did do that then maybe your statement would make sense.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pmHis actual military record seems to be a serial bumble,
culminating in capture by the enemy.
Tell you what, you eject from a jet after its hit by an AA missile, land on the ground and break both arms and a leg. After capture, you are beat up and stabbed with a bayonet before being transferred to the most notorious of Vietnamese prisons.
Then spend five and a half years in that prison getting your ass kicked on an almost daily basis until youre crippled to the point that you are unable to raise your arms above your head.
Lets see how far you would make it. The man suffered more than you can imagine. Go after him for his political stance if you like but going after his military record is pure hate.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:33 pmThrow your bricks and tomatoes for what McCain is doing NOW, not for what he did in the military.
Why are you wanting to act in as ugly a manner as the Swift Boaters?
Look, I agree with you. What he did then should have nothing to do with what is going on now.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:33 pmBut this is the fight we are in, and if that is the way the Repugs want it, we had better wake up and expose what we have to before we have another Kerry turn the other check situation.
Am I right to assume you’re directing that at me?
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
If the shoe fits…
Comment by Snowball — June 29, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
you must acquit
June 29th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI don’t think anyone would question what McCain went through while fighting for his country. Nobody should ever go through that, and he did it with honor and dignity. He earned the respect of America.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmIt is what he is doing NOW that is in question. What he went through in the past does not give him a free pass NOW.
But this is the fight we are in, and if that is the way the Repugs want it, we had better wake up and expose what we have to before we have another Kerry turn the other check situation.
Comment by willyloman
I agree! Shred him for what he’s doing NOW.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmThere’s enough insanity there to take him down 3 or 4 times.
Typical Islamo-Stalinist.
Comment by Mr. President ®
Oops! Someone left the door ajar and one of those gosh-darned pesky
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmChristo-Hitlerists slithered in. Someone call the extermintors, quick…
Comment by Godzirra — June 29, 2007
That was the most touching account of McCain’s heroism that I have ever heard through someone that has read his book. Thanks.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWhen did the US invade and occupy Syria? Wow..must have snoozed on that one. If we did do that then maybe your statement would make sense.
Are you able to understand context? I said some might attack Pelosi for shopping around in the capital of a country that has a dictator as its leader in the same way they attack McCain for visiting Baghdad as if everything there is fine.
Baghdad is a mess and McCain is strolling around, Syria is cranium-deep in all sorts of murderous actions and Pelosi went jewelry shopping.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pmMaybe you Islamo-Lovers will get really lucky and some MuslimShiteater â„¢ will saw off his head!!!
Comment by Mr. President
are you stealing fro Ann Coulter’s new book?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pm“MuslimShiteater”
What is this supposed to mean? Should children not be in bed by now? Well at least in most of the time zones in the states?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pmyou must acquit
Comment by dbadass
Heh. Yesterday I was a “murderer,” and today I’m a frickin “concern troll,” whatever that is.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pmFrag.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:39 pmMuslimShiteater â„¢ will saw off his head!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Awww, and who says “MuslimShiteaterâ„¢” isn’t an ethnic/religious slur?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:39 pm#9,
SNAP!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:39 pmNobody is attacking McCain for his horrible experience as a POW in Vietnam. He has sold his soul to the Bush Regime, so that is why he deserves to be kicked to the curb now.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:40 pmSorry, but in my opinion, what McCain and others went through in Vietnamese prisons, although awful and probably inhumane, is nothing compared to what we did to the Vietnamese people then, or the Iraqis now.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:42 pmBaghdad is a mess and McCain is strolling around, Syria is cranium-deep in all sorts of murderous actions and Pelosi went jewelry shopping.
Comment by Godzirra
Pelosi didn’t go to use the country as a campaign stop or lie about the situation there. Again, a false analogy. Try making sense this time.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:42 pmWe have strayed from the topic of the thread…
I believe it was fashion. Who’s flak jacket will John be sporting this summer in his trip down the “Iraq Credibility Runway”?
I say DKNY has a ring of irony to it.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:43 pmFine, kick McCain all you want, Im no fan of the guy; he is pandering as badly as the rest of the nominees and likes the camera even more than Edwards.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:43 pmSyria is cranium-deep in all sorts of murderous actions and Pelosi went jewelry shopping.
Comment by Godzirra
Hmm. Can you define murderous actions? Murder means death of the innocent and the US, Russia, China, Israel, Egypt, Ukraine, etc, seem to be on that path and yet the jewelry stores in each of those countries seem to be quite prosperous. Oh…so its Pelosi’s fault. Got it. Let’s try and tie that together to Condi’s shoe shopping later on.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:44 pmDoesn’t he have enough carpets?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI like it when they make the candidates raise their hands. McCain gets all pissed off. Did they stop doing that yet? Cus it’s pretty stupid.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:45 pm“Fine, kick McCain all you want, Im no fan of the guy; he is pandering as badly as the rest of the nominees and likes the camera even more than Edwards”
Ok, we will. We didn’t exactly need your affirmative on that.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:45 pmHa-Ha. Desperately seeking validation.
If he looks like toast, and smells like toast, and is crumby like toast….why he must be toast.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:46 pmdlet, I would like to see him define jewelry shopping as well.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:46 pmDoesn’t he have enough carpets?
Comment by JPark — June 29, 2007
The carpet is very important. Ties the whole ensamble together.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:46 pmOk, we will. We didn’t exactly need your affirmative on that.
Realized from the beginning of this thread. Im just defending the man’s service which was maligned.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:47 pmMcCain’s shopping trips to Iraq cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. He has to have special protection while he is there, which takes away from protecting troops on missions. His trip last time resulted in the market he and Lindsey Graham visited being blown up and most of the merchants were murdered by insurgents.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:47 pmMcCain is a serial liar now, why should we believe anything in his book or that he even wrote it himself?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:48 pmdlet, I would like to see him define jewelry shopping as well.
Comment by JPark — June 29, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
Me thinks it involves a pearl necklace
June 29th, 2007 at 11:51 pmGodzirra, who maligned his service? He has maligned his own service by becoming a Bushbot.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:52 pmMcCain got dissed by the press on his last trip for wearing that flack jacket, so my bet is he will wear special kevlar vest under his shirt to try to prove to the press that he is wearing no protective gear.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:52 pmdbadass, I will never think of a pearl necklace as hot again (you have just limited my sexual repertoire!!). Thanks!!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:53 pmdbadass, I will never think of a pearl necklace as hot again (you have just limited my sexual repertoire!!). Thanks!!!!
Comment by JPark
You’ll just have to settle for giant Wilma Flintstone “pearls.”
That’s hot.
Heh.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:55 pmMe thinks it involves a pearl necklace
Comment by dbadass
Sad thing is they have nothing to say. Just blanket “you are wrong” pieces disguised as different comments. They are all the same. No input or sensible critique. Just “blah…blah…..blah.”
June 29th, 2007 at 11:56 pmHmm. Can you define murderous actions?
The leader of the country is a dictator who inherited power from his dictator father. The U.N. is currently investigating Syria’s role in the death of several Lebanese reformist politicians who were blown to bits by car bombs. Until recently, Syria was enjoying a thirty-year occupation of Lebanon. Syria is a state-sponsor of such groups as Hamas and Hebzollah. Assad the Elder once besieged one of his own cities to quell an uprising that resulted in the deaths of 30,000 people.
Clear it up a bit?
Oh…so its Pelosi’s fault. Got it. Let’s try and tie that together to Condi’s shoe shopping later on.
Sigh. You REALLY need to go back to the beginning of this side-debate which concerned the cost of security for ALL of our politicians overseas. Then another post was added which basically ignored that and complained that McCain acted as if nothing was wrong in Baghdad.
The same COULD be said for Pelosi strolling through Damascus as if Syria werent the bad apple that everyone knows it to be, as if there is nothing wrong.
You seem to be arguing just to argue with no end in sight.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:57 pmMost of the time when a politician claims to walk a street in Baghdad, it actually turns out to be one in the Green Zone. My bet is Bush has ordered the military to secure a few blocks of Baghdad, so McCain can stroll one street outside the Green Zone to claim it is safe. Press will not see him with 100 troops around him like last time. Which means this is a PR stunt only to fool the press.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:57 pm#76 Comment by Jay Randal — June 29, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
I was thinking the same only he would have the press limited to just head shots from below. We’ll see what the plan is but for sure the “free press” will be limited and they will accept it just to get the shot for the nightly.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:00 amAssad the Elder once besieged one of his own cities to quell an uprising that resulted in the deaths of 30,000 people. Godzirra
And Cheney the NeoCon once (then again and again and again) lied to his own people to quell a soveriegn nation for oil rights and over 200,000 people died.
and in the meantime handed over reconstruction contracts to Halliburton after Katrina.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:02 amSorry, but in my opinion, what McCain and others went through in Vietnamese prisons, although awful and probably inhumane, is nothing compared to what we did to the Vietnamese people then, or the Iraqis now.
Comment by Snowball — June 29, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Not suprising. Considering the following terms apply to you.
Islamo-Stalinism: synthesis of the most retarded aspects of the Islam-loving Left and Stalinism.
Islamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:05 amAlso know as a Dhimmi.
Definitions by PRIMVS INTER PARES, The Joker
Oh, Zooey, you don’t realize how hot “pearl necklace” and “Wilma Flintstone” actually is!!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:06 amWhoa, I came here for a bit of exchange but I see its going nowhere. I dont understand why McCain’s war record is ridiculed or dismissed, now you equate Cheney with Hafez Assad?
You do realize that the comments are starting to sway into territory normally reserved for sites whose posters spend a lot of time slurring one another?
Halliburton has been doing reconstruction work all over the world for quite a while, including in Serbia/Kosovo after receiving a no-bid contract from President Clinton.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:07 amComment by Godzirra — June 29, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
First Syria. Do you really think I couldn’t take fifteen minutes and write a short summary of the ills the US has done over the past ten years in five sentences and make it sound as bad as you did with Syria?
As far as Condi is concerned, Pelosi was in Syria when there was no threat to the US and Rice was talking to shoe mongers during the most heightened security level in the US was going on.
But hey I agree there is no end in sight to my arguing as long as people like Condi, bushie, etc are making important decisions in my name.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:07 amMr. President, I am very disappointed. You just used the term Islamo-Stalinist? Are you kidding? If not, I have more to say.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:08 amOh, Zooey, you don’t realize how hot “pearl necklace†and “Wilma Flintstone†actually is!!
Comment by JPark
I guess I’d have to be a dude to understand. :D
June 30th, 2007 at 12:08 amSyria is a state-sponsor of such groups as
We have supported dictators and tyrants in Chile and Iraq and Iran and East Timor and Egypt and South America (pick a country) and the Phillipeans and Haiti and China and Italy ….
clear that up a bit for you?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:08 amGodzirra, we reserve slurs to those that enjoy spouting right wing talking points. You will fit right in.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:09 amZooey, actually I am a Betty Rubble man. I never got Wilma.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:09 amTell you what, you eject from a jet after its hit by an AA missile, land on the ground and break both arms and a leg. After capture, you are beat up and stabbed with a bayonet before being transferred to the most notorious of Vietnamese prisons.
Then spend five and a half years in that prison getting your ass kicked on an almost daily basis until youre crippled to the point that you are unable to raise your arms above your head.
Lets see how far you would make it. The man suffered more than you can imagine. Go after him for his political stance if you like but going after his military record is pure hate.
Comment by Godzirra — June 29, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Tell you what, when someone invades your country, bombs your family, friends and entire community from the relative anonyminity and saftey of a jet to smitherines, see how you feel like treating once you get your hands on them. Get back to me after that happens OK?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:09 amdlet > this trip of McCain to Iraq is being planned out by Karl Rove. It is a photo-op scam, so the press will take quick pics of him in his blue work shirt walking along a street and chatting with a pre-selected Iraqi guy or gal. Soldiers will be out of view on the rooftops. No helicopter overhead, because that looked bad last time. After the press does their pics, then McCain will vanish into a secured building and whisked away out the back in a armored vehicle.
Remember when Rove did the staged photo-op in Jackson Square, in New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina flooded the city. He had a few blocks around the Catholic church cleaned up and electric generators trucked in. Bush gave his speech to the nation, then he was whisked away. The generators were put back on the trucks and the place reverted back the way it was before.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:10 amComment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:08 am
I’m not kidding at all.
Snowball made the following comment:
Maybe we’ll all get lucky and McCain will surrender himself to some Iraqi peasant like he did to that rice farmer in Vietnam all those years ago.
Comment by Snowball — June 29, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
And then called Zooey a “concern troll.”
The guy is a paragon of Islamo-Stalinism
June 30th, 2007 at 12:11 amZooey, actually I am a Betty Rubble man. I never got Wilma.
Comment by JPark
Wilma looks like she could run pretty fast….
June 30th, 2007 at 12:11 amwilly, isn’t that funny? We supported Iraq’s chemical fueled war against Iran…we supported the mujahadine (bad spelling) Afghanis against the Russians and we support the terrorist group inside Iran (I forget it’s name, I am sure someone can tell me) and we are harboring a loser that blew up a plane that carried the Cuban fencing team.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:12 amand now… for your entertainment pleasure…
Godzzira is going to continue defending Halliburtons role in Iraq.
and at the intermission, we have a nice Wilma Flinstone video where she washes the pearl necklass in the sink.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amWilma looks like she could run pretty fast….
Comment by Zooey
….past the same window thirty times….
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amTell you what, when someone invades your country, bombs your family, friends and entire community from the relative anonyminity and saftey of a jet to smitherines, see how you feel like treating once you get your hands on them. Get back to me after that happens OK?
Comment by Snowball
Who are you talking about? There were no Iraqi hijackers on those airplanes on 9/11.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amOk, Mr. President, I am with you. Sorry that I just assume you are wrong :)
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amOk, Mr. President, I am with you. Sorry that I just assume you are wrong :)
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:13 am
That’s understandable. :D
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 am“Tell you what, when someone invades your country, bombs your family, friends and entire community from the relative anonyminity and saftey of a jet to smitherines, see how you feel like treating once you get your hands on them. Get back to me after that happens OK?”
Are you f^cking kidding me? That happens to Iraqis every day. As soon as that happens to you, you just let me know.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 amAnd then called Zooey a “concern troll.â€
The guy is a paragon of Islamo-Stalinism
Comment by Mr. President ®
Thanks Mr P, but please don’t associate my name with that idiotic term.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 amFirst Syria. Do you really think I couldn’t take fifteen minutes and write a short summary of the ills the US has done over the past ten years in five sentences and make it sound as bad as you did with Syria?
Im sure you could, but again that would be irrelevant when all you need to do is study one line from that paragraph: “The U.N. is currently investigating Syria’s role in the death of several Lebanese reformist politicians who were blown to bits by car bombs.”
If the U.N. can somehow raise its monolithic head to investigate such a claim, you can be sure it fits in the category of ‘murderous’. After all, the U.N. has notable human rights violators as members of its human rights commission. You wanted the context of murderous so you got it, the rest of this exchange is superfluous.
This entire debate is however a digression. The original complaint that the money spent on McCain’s security is business as usual only for Republicans is false; both sides receive it.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 amLOL. you are so disarming Mr. Pres.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 am#93,
Remember the only truism that I know of that is attributed to a.hitler – “History is written by the victor”.
In the case of Vietnam, though, we were not victorious (as all evil quests eventually fail), but in that case we just have bigger printing presses and better PR people. Especially as memory fades into nostalgia.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:16 amZooey, actually I am a Betty Rubble man. I never got Wilma.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:09 am
No disrespect intended but are you cracked? Betty and Wilma are best enjoyed as a single package. This is no Ginger vs Maryann, Betty vs Veronica, or Daphne vs Themla type thing. Wilma and Betty are the same as Fuji and Tanaka.
BTW: I don’t think you ever got Betty either
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amJPark, don’t forget the latest in the installments of “When Planning Attacks” We spend 18 billion to equip and train Iraqi police and find a great deal of them later fighting US Soldiers as Insurgants (sp). Still clutching the weapons we gave them. We are equiping the terrorists! We should invade ourselves and teach us a lesson that we will not tolerate…us.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amAww, Christ, Godzirra. Why do you come here? Do you just come back from listening to the Limbaugh recording?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amComment by Jay Randal — June 30, 2007 @ 12:10 am
No doubt there is something up since it is heard of before it happens. Either McCain is desperately hungry for a bump in the polls to risk his life or there is another motive. I am not that demented to think of one but there might be another. Maybe they will “fake” a missle shot and say that McCain is super hero status..blah..blah.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amGodzirra, we reserve slurs to those that enjoy spouting right wing talking points. You will fit right in.
As Im discovering. It gets old quick.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:18 amAre you f^cking kidding me? That happens to Iraqis every day.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Exactly my point. Did you misread?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:18 amOh goodie, I can hardly wait for him to tell us how great things are in Iraq. I am puzzled as to what he thinks he is going to accomplish by going there again. Is he supposed to gain macho points for being brave enough to go to Iraq?
The last gasp of a desperate man who knows he has lost. A sorry sight indeed.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:20 am“No disrespect intended but are you cracked? Betty and Wilma are best enjoyed as a single package. This is no Ginger vs Maryann, Betty vs Veronica, or Daphne vs Themla type thing. Wilma and Betty are the same as Fuji and Tanaka.”
dbass, I have been married and Wilma is the epitome of the wife. In other words she wants to devour you (not in a good way) and wants to earn herself some life insurance!!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:20 am“The U.N. is currently investigating Syria’s role in the death of several Lebanese reformist politicians who were blown to bits by car bombs.â€
So they are guilty in your eyes since they are being investigated. Looky here. Must be nice to have veto power…unlike Syria.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amLOL. you are so disarming Mr. Pres.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Talking about McCain with a pearl necklace is one thing.
But hoping that he is taken prisoner by the Iraqis?
I honestly don’t know what was going through Snowball’s mind.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amSnowball, I apologize, I must have read incorrectly.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amKarl Rove’s best photo-op scam was Bush supposedly visiting a food distribution stand in Miss. state after Katrina hit. The stand was trucked in and food and water stacked inside. For a nice touch a basket of bananas was on the counter. Some people were there for show and then Bush met a woman and her daughter who actually were paid actresses to act as storm victims. After the press took the pics, the food stand was put back on the truck and taken away. Only reason we found out is because a German press group hid in the bushes and watched as the stand was packed up and hauled off.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amI am puzzled as to what he thinks he is going to accomplish by going there again. kate
Someone told him AEI moved their offices there. He’s a little gullable.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:23 amMr. Pres. I agreed but now I think that was sarcasm. We will see.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:23 amActually, I am not sure there is anything worse than McCain with a pearl necklace :)
June 30th, 2007 at 12:24 amdbass, I have been married and Wilma is the epitome of the wife. In other words she wants to devour you (not in a good way) and wants to earn herself some life insurance!!
Comment by JPark
Hey! That’s just not right!
I never thought of trying to get his life insurance…..
June 30th, 2007 at 12:24 amTell you what, when someone invades your country, bombs your family, friends and entire community from the relative anonyminity and saftey of a jet to smitherines, see how you feel like treating once you get your hands on them. Get back to me after that happens OK?
Again, irrelevant. Regardless of the foreign policy that McCain found himself serving as a member of the military, his experience being shot down and then as a POW are not up for debate. He did break limbs after ejection, he was tortured, he was beat up and he was imprisoned.
Whether the punishment he received was because he bombed the Vietnamese or just because his tormentors didnt like his face or his voice or whatever has nothing to do with the experience itself.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amdbass, I have been married and Wilma is the epitome of the wife. In other words she wants to devour you (not in a good way) and wants to earn herself some life insurance!!
Then you must see that Betty is just the Yang to Wilma’s Yin. Betty is just trying to set you up for the fall that Wilma cashes in on. Thta’s why she plays the sultry card. It’s good cop/bad cop.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amActually, I am not sure there is anything worse than McCain with a pearl necklace :)
Comment by JPark
McCain with onion ring breath.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amSnowball, I apologize, I must have read incorrectly.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:21 am
NP, I think you read Godzirra’s post above mine which I quoted and linked them together.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amcheny with a speculum? practicing his love on women all across this country?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amActually, I am not sure there is anything worse than McCain with a pearl necklace :)
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:24 am
The pic suggests he may have the bosom for it.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:27 amDr. Dick Cheney, OBGYN
June 30th, 2007 at 12:28 amCNN & FOX news will cover McCain’s trip to Baghdad on Monday, so be prepared for the scam to unfold.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:29 amAnd I actually agree that attacking someone’s service is a bit beyond the pale. It’s just that I’m so furious at the man. I believe I have good reason to be. I’m just an anonymous poster like the rest of you, not an opinion maker on the national stage. We’re allowed to vent.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:29 amActually, I am not sure there is anything worse than McCain with a pearl necklace :)
Comment by JPark
McCain with onion ring breath.
Comment by Zooey — June 30, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Worse worse worse!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:30 amMcCain with onion ring breath.
Comment by Zooey — June 30, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Worse worse worse!!!
Comment by dbadass
Don’t worry. He wouldn’t stoop so low.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:31 amSnowball just concentrate on McCain’s actions now. Talking about his past just gives McCain supporters a way to defend him.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:31 amWe’re allowed to vent.
Comment by Snowball
Absolutely.
Can I stop being a concern troll now? ;)
June 30th, 2007 at 12:31 amSo they are guilty in your eyes since they are being investigated.
Whatever, this line has obviously reached its terminus. If you want to defend Syria Im not going to waste my time. Only the most naive or uninformed would believe a country led by a dynastic dictator needed to have its predilection for “murderous” activities spelled out when both current events and history would suggest it is unnecessary.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:32 amIf McCain’s trip goes badly, or gets exposed as a scam, then it will be the final nail in the coffin in his run for president.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:33 amYes you can being a concern troll now, we have other business to attend to anyway.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:35 amI believe McCains run died the moment the immigration bill reached the floor, his constituents dont trust him anymore and the press is no longer looking to him for the voice of moderation.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:37 amUm, Godzirra, Syria is a not a threat to us. If they have some terrorists the FBI can handle it. Or do you not agree?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 am#124,
I think that there are two valid points that you are missing.
One, with the obvious credibility issue with McCain, that credibilty (or lack thereof) extends to the entire life of the man. We have just as much cause to believe McCain’s service record as we do to believe Bush’s service record. Nobody stole McCain’s credibilty from him, he himself either threw it away or never had it.
Second, it is disingenous to paint the Vietnamese as the evil agressors and the USA as the noble peace-seekers. Of course you didn’t say that, but that is the perspective that your premise is based on. It is also, of course, horrifically false. If you re-read Snowball’s comment with that perspective, you might find yourself gaining some greater understanding.
I hope that helps.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 amSnowball just concentrate on McCain’s actions now. Talking about his past just gives McCain supporters a way to defend him.
Comment by Jay Randal — June 30, 2007 @ 12:31 am
We’re allowed to vent.
Comment by Snowball
Absolutely.
Can I stop being a concern troll now? ;)
Comment by Zooey — June 30, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Oh, OK dammit!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amIf Karl Rove could set-up McCain going into a firefight with US troops against Iraqi insurgents, then John could be portrayed as heroic, but he is NOT brave enough to risk that because he could get killed.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amGodzirra, why do you righties give one sh!t about immigration? You do realize you are going to lose because of that issue, right?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amI feel like going out for a Cheney BBQ with his head on a plate and an apple stuffed into his fatas@ mouth. Anyone want to join me?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amOnly the most naive or uninformed would believe a country led by a dynastic dictator needed to have its predilection for “murderous†activities spelled out when both current events and history would suggest it is unnecessary.
Comment by Godzirra
Are we still talking about Syria? Or the US?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amI have a new respect for you after that post FTFU (142).
June 30th, 2007 at 12:40 amUm, Godzirra, Syria is a not a threat to us. If they have some terrorists the FBI can handle it. Or do you not agree?
Depends on how you classify “threat”.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:40 amdlet, Godzirra is not stupid but he certainly is an authoritarian follower. If Pee-Wee Herman were our leader he would be…oh, jeez…masturbating a lot?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:42 amIf McCain got shot by a sniper in Baghdad, then the charade would prove that Baghdad is highly unsafe, and no Senators would ever go to Iraq again.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:42 amGodzirra, how are they a threat?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:43 amOh, OK dammit!
Comment by Snowball
Heh. Thanks.
Peace.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:43 amI still won’t accept that McCain is a hero or buy into his self-aggrandizing account of his experience in Vietnam. John Kerry actually risked his life to save someone else and came home and risked his reputation to stop a sensless war. Niether changes my view that Vietnam, like Iraq were and are dishonorable wars.
BTW, I’m no pacifist either. Sometimes you have to fight. The trick is being sensible and just when you pick your fights.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:47 amWho is paying for this McCain rug market research anyway?
BTW I think the Rachel troll is back. The one that thinks I have a nice bookshelf. LMAO.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:47 amI still do not understand why Rove had Bush hold a fake plastic turkey for one Thanksgiving in Iraq. I would have given him a real cooked turkey and then had him carve it for the troops. Rove messed up.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:47 amdlet, Godzirra is not stupid but he certainly is an authoritarian follower.
Comment by JPark
No. He isn’t an idiot. I mean he can at least control a computer. But his arguments seem unthoughtful in a personal manner which makes him, in my opinion, stupid.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:48 amSnowball, my grandfather was a hero. He was shot down during his first flight and spent the war at Stalag 17B. The guy ate freaking watered down blood sausage for the US.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:49 ammccain was and still is a WARMONGER. hopefully he will fade away peacefully into the sunset………………..
June 30th, 2007 at 12:49 amI see where youre coming from FTFU and Im not trying to defend McCain’s credibility; he is a camera-time panderer and an opportunist.
What I am defending is the comment that seemed to malign McCain wayyyyy back on post #9. Multiple sources that dont include his book describe his wartime experience, including from men who were imprisoned with him.
Regardless of the national policy under which he served, on even the most base level of debate, McCain was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton and that was no cakewalk. Also his injuries and scarring are indisputable, as was his membership in a squadron which suffered the highest loss-level of any squadron in the war.
I wont defend our Vietnam policy or try to whitewash what that policy did to the Vietnamese people, but McCain’ experience is not germane to that policy in the sense of whether his service is a valid target for attack.
Hate him for his politics but his wartime experience and suffering are indisputable.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:50 amNo. He isn’t an idiot. I mean he can at least control a computer. But his arguments seem unthoughtful in a personal manner which makes him, in my opinion, stupid.
Comment by dlet — June 30, 2007 @ 12:48 am
That’s what happens when lazy thinkers let Fox News do their thinking for them.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:50 amdlet, I am torn. Authoritarian followers SEEM stupid to me but it is possible their lives have brought them to a place where they want to give up any control.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:50 amZep > do you actually have people spying on your house? I suppose it could be so, because when I lived in Florida a neighbor behind me put in a strange blacked out window facing my back door. I found out later the guy was taking pictures of me for some unknown reason. Spying is so damn weird.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:51 amI still do not understand why Rove had Bush hold a fake plastic turkey for one Thanksgiving in Iraq -Jay Randal
He may have thought it was a real turkey =)
BTW Badge 52AA whatever I don’t have a bookshelf, I have a computerdesk with no bookshelf on it, thanks for playing!
Bwahhahaa!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:53 am#156,
Very old, yet as valid as ever, PR axiom : Nobody ever reads the retraction (correction).
The only people who know that the turkey was a phony are the people who weren’t the target audience anyway. Oh, and they are the same people that know that the bird was plastic.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:53 amAre we still talking about Syria? Or the US?
Could be the U.S. or China or Russia or Britain, France, Germany etc., it still doesnt detract from the fact that Syria is what it is and as I described it.
Even if the U.S. were what you believe it to be, it wouldnt change the facts about Syria.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:54 am“Irrelevant. The post I responded to decried the cost of security as if dems werent offered the same service which also hit the taxpayers.
Some might attack Pelosi for shopping in downtown Damascus after meeting with the dictator Assad.”
And you wonder why you are thought of as a thoughtless rightwinger? You defend the ridiculous photo ops of McCain and attack Pelosi, despite the fact she did not go shopping in Damascus. The only people claiming that are the right wing losers at worldnutdaily. Nice read, Godzirra.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:55 amAuthoritarian followers SEEM stupid to me but it is possible their lives have brought them to a place where they want to give up any control.
Comment by JPark
I think there is too much introspection going on here. Let’s just agree that their “opinions” are derived through no thought process of their own…just handed to them through whatever media they choose to rely upon and there is no reason to listen to their constant rants about things they have no desire to research.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:56 amdlet, it isn’t introspection. I don’t get it. It is purely speculation on my part. Honestly, I think righties are nothing but a bunch of selfish a$$holes.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:57 amWell Sen. Lindsey Graham is not going to Iraq this time with McCain. He will never live down telling the press he purchased 5 rugs for 5 bucks.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:58 amThat’s what happens when lazy thinkers let Fox News do their thinking for them.
DPark was right, it seems that a reasonable debate which might defend the right ends up being a target for personal attack.
So now Im stupid, is that it? Simply because you dont like the manner in which I present my argument? That in itself is a mere opinion founded on nothing more than dislike of the content.
Is there anyone here who WONT regress to slurring me and is willing to listen and debate a differing point of view?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:59 amHonestly, I think righties are nothing but a bunch of selfish a$$holes.
Comment by JPark
Straight to the point. Love it and agree. They can’t see the internal hate that drives them to hate the world.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:02 am“DPark was right, it seems that a reasonable debate which might defend the right ends up being a target for personal attack.”
How can we have a reasonable debate with a parrot?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:02 amYou defend the ridiculous photo ops of McCain and attack Pelosi, despite the fact she did not go shopping in Damascus. The only people claiming that are the right wing losers at worldnutdaily. Nice read, Godzirra.
Perhaps you need to re-read the posts. Im not defending McCain, he is trying to resurrect his dead campaign by visiting the troops and pretending that Baghdad is not the bloody mess that it is. I merely equated that to Pelosi strolling through Damascus as if that nation were a benign entity and as harmless as Switzerland.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:03 amGodzirra > I have not said one thing against your views on here. You have a right to have your opinion.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:03 amComment by Godzirra — June 30, 2007 @ 1:03 am
What about the Republicans that went with her?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:04 amdlet, I don’t think it is hate. These a$$holes have never met a needy person. Especially one that works every day and makes minimum wage (yes, you righty scumbags, hard working people DO make minimum wage).
June 30th, 2007 at 1:04 am#160,
Valid points as well. I think many people, myself included, feel that McCain’s credibility issue and heinous current activities invalidates any claim to “war hero” that he may have had. Otherwise, that would always be his trump card. I hold nothing but contempt for the man and no amount of medals he holds up or scars he shows me is going to cause me to qualify that contempt or make it conditional. Especially when you consider his position and actions regarding torture, and Abu Ghraib, and Gitmo.
Any claim that McCain may have had to “honor” in regard to his Vietnam service flew out the window and into the stratosphere the moment he started cheerleading for our “new” Vietnam. If anyone should have known better, it was he.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:05 amIs there anyone here who WONT regress to slurring me and is willing to listen and debate a differing point of view?
Comment by Godzirra
All right. I hear you Jaso…I mean Godzirra. If you really would like to debate something on serious level I am up for it. I agree I flamed you a lot but if you really think a discussion can happen I would love it. Topic is open since this one has gone the way it did….my fault included.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:06 amGodzirra, tell me…how is McCain’s trip to Iraq the same as Pelosi in Syria (Pelosi didn’t wear a bulletproof vest).
June 30th, 2007 at 1:06 amNotice that the usual Bush lover trolls are NOT on this thread tonight. Jake, michael, m12, etc. are not on TP tonight > kind of odd.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:07 amStraight to the point. Love it and agree. They can’t see the internal hate that drives them to hate the world.
You guys hearing yourselves? How about this:
-Liberals hate the troops
-Liberals are unpatriotic
-Liberals love to burn the flag
-Liberals arent Christian
-Liberals support terrorism
-Liberals hate their country
You ready to accept the stereotypes that conservative would pin on you were this a right rather than a left-leaning site?
You dont seem to have much room for debate that might question what you think and you continue to deride everything I say. Youre sounding awfully alike, sort of parrotish in a way, wouldnt you say, snowball?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:08 amZep > do you actually have people spying on your house? I suppose it could be so, because when I lived in Florida a neighbor behind me put in a strange blacked out window facing my back door. I found out later the guy was taking pictures of me for some unknown reason. Spying is so damn weird. Comment by Jay Randal
Like Rachel they just try to guess alot and see if they can get a rise out of people to make it seem like they know something they don’t.
A telephone, even though its on a hook (capiaitor across wires) can be used as a listening device, or (call bouncing cna be used) As well it’s all to easy to put a fm transmitter on the phone line outside the house. And as well I am on this watch list because of the guy I worked with at one time. Plus I have neighbors that work for ATT and MCI, the DPS. They like to listen (Big Ear devices) to what I say then try to freak me out by leaving things laying around where I walk the dog. It’s gotten to be a game. Why people do this? I dunno why do people put cameras in their shoes and get upskirt shots? Gay Voyeurs maybe?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:08 amComment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 1:06 am
If “someone” says she wore a bulletproof head scarf then there really is an idiot here.
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June 30th, 2007 at 1:09 amGodzirra > we all believe that McCain is a showboater, but I also think Hillary Clinton is a showboater too.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:11 amLiberals hate the troops
-Liberals are unpatriotic
-Liberals love to burn the flag
-Liberals arent Christian
-Liberals support terrorism
-Liberals hate their country
I see hate in two of the six things you posted. Not really a strong argument. If you really want to get into it I said their “hate” is internal. The troops and my country are external things so again what is the point exactly?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:12 amGodzirra, you do realize you just went from actually discussing issues to going with Limbaughisms, right?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:13 amDid a couple of strange posts pop-up on here and then vanish?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:13 amOh good – another Dog and Pony Show! Gee how many resources will he use use up, and waste this time around?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:14 ambut I also think Hillary Clinton is a showboater too.
Comment by Jay Randal
Showboater and grandstander. She loves to hear people clap for her. She would be the type of politician that would limit the people into an event just so it seemed like everyone agreed with her….. like Bush does.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:14 amWhat about the Republicans that went with her?
Same goes for them, in my mind at least. But as you guys are doing with McCain, a rightwing site is only going to grab onto Pelosi for condemnation while ignoring McCain. Thats how these things seem to work, sadly. Then of course you decide to ridicule and slander me as stupid, a parrot, whatever just as you would be on a right-wing site.
As I stated very early in this thread, that type of thing gets old quick. This could be a great site for some really good debates which seem to be harder and harder to find these days. But if the predominant political stance of this site, which seems to lean dem, starts a practice of ridiculing and demeaning everything a conservative says, people will stop showing up. I know I will, though Im sure some of you will tell me how you could care less.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:15 amI respect the troops
June 30th, 2007 at 1:15 amI love the US when it does the right thing
I have never burned any flag
Nope, I am not Christian
I supported terrorism when it was Patrick Henry.
I hate my government, not my country.
Comment by Godzirra — June 30, 2007 @ 1:08 am
You haven’t answered my question. What about the Republicans who went with Pelosi on that same diplomatic trip to Syria? Why don’t you criticize them as well. They were there for the same reason. I guess they left that out of the reporting on Fox News. That’s right, they did. The trip was also hailed by the Isrealis who have more to fear from Damascus than we do. They didn’t tell you that on Fox either.
We talked to the Soviet Union all through the Cold War, Why not Iran and Syria now? It’s called diplomacy, that’s what mature statesmen do.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:17 amSame goes for them, in my mind at least. But as you guys are doing with McCain, a rightwing site is only going to grab onto Pelosi for condemnation while ignoring McCain.
No. I don’t think thee was anything wrong with Pelosi or the Republicans going so I won’t slander either political side on the matter. They both were trying to make a situation better by talking and I applaud anyone who does it. The party affiliation doesn’t matter.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:17 amdlet > Hillary Clinton was raised as a conservative Republican. She claims she became a Democrat when she married Bill, but she still acts like a GOPer in many ways. I do not believe she would be a good president to replace Bush.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:17 amGodzirra, you do realize you just went from actually discussing issues to going with Limbaughisms, right?
Call them what you will, they exist out there and I would presume you would defend yourself if pinned on your chest?
You declared me an open target because of what I believe and proceeded to agree that Im “not an idiot, just stupid” which contributes what exactly?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:18 am-Liberals hate the troops
Conservatives are responsible for Walter Reed.
-Liberals are unpatriotic
Conservatives have made the US a joke.
-Liberals love to burn the flag
Flag? Well, sh!t, let’s make the flag worthless (conservatives have).
-Liberals arent Christian
Most of the founding fathers weren’t.
-Liberals support terrorism
Duh
-Liberals hate their country
Duh
June 30th, 2007 at 1:19 am“The same security was provided for Obama and Hillary when they visited Iraq and I doubt they paid for it either. Does that sound presidential Repub or Dem style to you?
Comment by Godzirra”
But clinton and obama don’t come back after such an experience and proclaim that progress is being made.
The guy’s delusional
June 30th, 2007 at 1:20 amGodzirra, I believe, is making the point that approaching discussions from a partisan stance guarantees that nothing happens other than arguing and mud slinging. It is a valid point.
So far, from what I’ve read, Godzirra has been civil and reasonable. An approach that actually benefits the discussion, which then also gives the opportunity for all sides to see the others points and to consider them.
I personally would rather see much more of such discussion and much less of the name calling and partisan bickering.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:20 amGodzirra, many people here have defended their country. Why do you attack them?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:20 am-Liberals hate the troops
-Liberals are unpatriotic
-Liberals love to burn the flag
-Liberals arent Christian
-Liberals support terrorism
-Liberals hate their country
You ready to accept the stereotypes that conservative would pin on you were this a right rather than a left-leaning site?
They have been trying to pin their imagination, or what they parrot from some pundit for some time. The fact is it’s just opinion and not true.
I doubt anyone here has burned a flag, I haven’t, In fact I have one right above my computer on the wall. Many Democrats are Christian (90% of America believes in God and conservatives (Republicans dont make up half of America) Supporters of terrorism come from oil rich countries in the ME. How is getting the troops out of war, quagmire, hating them? People post here because they are concerned about our constitution which has been called a GD piece of paper by our (R) President.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:21 amThey both were trying to make a situation better by talking and I applaud anyone who does it. The party affiliation doesn’t matter.
There, we found something we can agree upon; presumably this will erase my “stupid” tag now that we have found common ground, at least one hopes so.
I like it when my ENTIRE government gets involved in the weighty issues, the more minds working on the big problems the better. Now if only they could find better ways to agree in their respective houses rather than flinging poo at one another across the aisle.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:21 amFTFU, you go ahead and believe that. Godzirra hates you.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:21 amAlmost 200 posts and no bad trolls on here tonight. They must all have passed out drunk > lol.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:21 amGodzirra, why? Do you believe the government should involve itself in the welfare of its citizens?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:22 amBut clinton and obama don’t come back after such an experience and proclaim that progress is being made.
Point made long ago and cast aside. Taxpayer money doesnt care what was said after the fact and the fact is that security costs were distributed to both sides, regardless of what happened post-visit.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:24 amJay, I haven’t decided. Godzirra might be the worst (meaning he isn’t totally ridiculous)
June 30th, 2007 at 1:25 amHe ought to get an escort of just Iraqi soldiers, no air cover.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:26 amIf things are so goddamn rosy over there, let him put his security where his big fat mouth is.
Godzirra, I am pretty sure taxpayer money doesn’t care what it is spent on. It isn’t like it will be spent on Iraq.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:26 amDoesn’t work that way RU. He has to spend a sh!tload of taxpayer money to protect his sorry a$$.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:27 amTaxpayer money doesnt care what was said after the fact and the fact is that security costs were distributed to both sides, regardless of what happened post-visit.
Comment by Godzirra
Fine but post-visit the things that came out of their mouths seemed to suggest that McCain lives in La-La Land and Obama and Clinton (while I don’t agree with their personal politics) kept a reasonable air about themselves.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:28 amThe thing is, I really can’t tell the difference between the Ahmedinijad and George Bush. They are both religious right wing extremist autocratic demagogues in their respective countries. One happens to be a Moslem and one a Christian. One lives in Iran and one in the US. Otherwise there’s little difference.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:28 amThey have been trying to pin their imagination, or what they parrot from some pundit for some time. The fact is it’s just opinion and not true.
Exactly my point. So when I see others accusing me of being a Bushbot and getting all my information from FoxNews, what else can I do but roll my eyes? Puerile accusations built on nothing more than a need to admonish or tear down another person contribute nothing and usually end up in insults towards someone’s mother.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:30 amJPark, just wishin, and hopin, and dreamin and….
June 30th, 2007 at 1:30 amGodzirra, you haven’t exactly been honest so what are people supposed to think?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:31 amFine but post-visit the things that came out of their mouths seemed to suggest that McCain lives in La-La Land and Obama and Clinton (while I don’t agree with their personal politics) kept a reasonable air about themselves.
This is in danger of circling back to the single-digit posts. The money was still spent for reps from both parties, neither can claim the high-ground that “this is how the other guy wastes your tax money”.
I concur that McCain was full of crapola after his visit, so I wont argue that point.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:32 amBefore you say anything…you thought a Limbaughism was a compliment.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:33 amHe ought to get an escort of just Iraqi soldiers, no air cover.
If things are so goddamn rosy over there, let him put his security where his big fat mouth is.
Agreed, I dont want a whitewash of the situation and frankly I dont trust many politicians to not put some sort of spin on things they involve themselves in.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:35 amGodzirra is good. Darned good. He will totally agree with the original post and will agree with everything you say. The problem is he will define what you say for you.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:35 amBefore you say anything…you thought a Limbaughism was a compliment.
Actually I didnt but thanks for offering to think for me.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:37 am#206,
I agree that the use of Iraq for political theatre is an moral and humanistic abomination, regardless of which “party” does it. McCain is getting much of the heat here because he has done it often and with a level of absurdity that surpasses many of the others. I also agree that both Hillary and Barak (since we’re now on a first name basis) participated in such theatrics themselves, and I fault them for it as well.
Pelosi’s trip to Syria and that region seemed to me to be more of a diplomatic effort, though the timing was a bit theatrical. Though I must admit that my confidence in Pelosi has dropped considerably since then due to her actions and inactions on other issues.
As of now, Ms. “Wait for September” and “Impeachment is off the table” can fall off the planet and float off into space so that a REAL leader of honor can assume the role of Speaker of the House. Now, if we can only find that “REAL” leader.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:37 am“Actually I didnt but thanks for offering to think for me.”
Not a problem.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:39 amFTFU, if you really want to attack someone you might want to go after Godzirra.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:40 amI know youre trying desperately to pick a fight with me, JPark, but it wont work. Ive had enough of trying to keep up with a person who I know will just call me some spurious insult at the end. Its happened before and Ive grown weary of participating.
If you have something more substantive to offer, Id be happy to share my thoughts.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:40 amThis is in danger of circling back to the single-digit posts. The money was still spent for reps from both parties, neither can claim the high-ground that “this is how the other guy wastes your tax moneyâ€.
I concur that McCain was full of crapola after his visit, so I wont argue that point.
Comment by Godzirra
But that’s the whole friggin’ point. McCain used taxpayer money to go to Iraq and report falsehoods to those people that he represents and you want to parse hairs and say “well Clinton and Obama did it too”. I smell nothing but fake concern about the taxpayer burden.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:41 amFed, Im interested to know who you would pick for Speaker if you had the chance. Further, politics being the game that it is, do you believe that person would be less inclined to play the game and do the things you propose? Just interested, I would hope you understand Im not trying to bait you.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:43 amExactly my point. So when I see others accusing me of being a Bushbot and getting all my information from FoxNews, what else can I do but roll my eyes. -Gozirra
I don’t let words bother me =) I get called worse by the clickish liberals over at Eschaton (that I agree with more than not). I am a wanker and an idiot and a troll to them because I could care less about who wrote what book or song back in 1973 or know, or care, about fine wine or cheese or the Oxford Book of Verse.
Anyway, I don’t think your a Bushbot. And hey, if your not, your not, are you? =)
In fact I may go over to Eschaton (Atrios) and get my dose of name calling just for the hell of it. Heh.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:44 amAfter months -no, years- of heaping abuse, smears, and insults to anyone who dares to disagree, the Bush cultists show up on this site and have unabated gall to demand civility. And fall to whiny little pieces when their opinions are rebuked.
Now that is more and more obvious that their Dear (mis)Leader & Emperor has no clothes (yes, you neocon morons, it is. The UN just overwhelmingly voted in favor of a US-introduced resolution to end the monitoring of Iraq’s WMD programs), I am even less in the mood for being oh so forgiving.
To hell with them all. Let them go support occupation, murder, and torture elsewhere. They’re no better than the followers of the Iraqi dictator they claim to abhor so much.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:44 amIt’s pretty obvious that members of both parties use taxpayer finances junkets to “discover’ facts on their “fact finding” trips.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:45 amIt’s the bullshit that comes when they get back home and they use the fact that they “actually” went there to bolster their bullshit.
Regardless of how McCain argues it, the shit on the ground still stinks, the electricity is on less than half the day, potable water and gas is scarce, and the place is a fu(king hellhole.
My view of the political scene, today, is pretty simple Gozirra. Xx^B
Its two very similar factions operating under one economic powerhouse.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:50 am…you want to parse hairs and say “well Clinton and Obama did it tooâ€. I smell nothing but fake concern about the taxpayer burden
I have no concern about the taxpayer burden at all; I have no problem with providing superior security protection for our diplomats and politicians or the inherent costs.
The bottom line is that politicians use our tax money to take trips everywhere, sometimes to places that requre extra security, but neither side can claim they are the party of fiscal responsibility in this regard. McCain said what he said after his Iraq visit, fine, but it doesnt matter in this context.
Its roughly equivalent to party officials who decide that Vail rather than Cleveland is a better site for their political gathering. They didnt choose Vail because they like the name, they chose it for the skiing which means the trips are likely to last longer which will cost the taxpayer more money. The pols would be out of Cleveland so fast, they would leave their shadows behind and the resultant tax burden would be less. But they dont choose Cleveland, now do they?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:52 amSpeaking at a $4,600-a-seat fundraiser in New York for Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion (£26 billion), said: “The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you’re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.â€
Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent. Mr Buffett told his audience, which included John Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, and Alan Patricof, the founder of the US branch of Apax Partners, that US government policy had accentuated a disparity of wealth that hurt the economy by stifling opportunity and motivation.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:52 amIn fact I may go over to Eschaton (Atrios) and get my dose of name calling just for the hell of it. Heh.
Are you an equal-opportunity troll? :)
Ive never been there, I suppose I should check it out sometime now that you have brought it to my attention.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:54 am#226,
Excellent question, for which I don’t have an answer. All the power players who are qualified, per se, are as much a part of the system, and subsequently the problem, as Pelosi is. The MO is the same regardless of party, tell the people what they want to hear to get elected and then advance whatever agenda that you were clandestinely planning in the first place. I know that’s a non-answer, but it’s an honest one.
The best example of this currently is Senator Webb (and yes, I know that we are talking about the House of Representatives and he’s a senator, but just using as an example). He runs on an “End the War” platform, even wears his kids combat boots for effect (theatrics?). He gets elected and when it comes to vote time regarding the funding and time tables, he abandons the “End the War” effort. All I have to say to Webb is: “Nice boots. Are you trying to get the legs and feet too?”
Let me fire it back at you. Regardless of party affiliation, who would you pick?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:55 amIts two very similar factions operating under one economic powerhouse.
Connected at the elbow, that way when one side has its hand out the other side will too. Id love to be a fly on the wall in those backroom negotiations they have, the conspiratorial side of me says they are laughing at the game they have created.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:57 amComment by Godzirra — June 30, 2007 @ 1:52 am
First your comparison to visiting Iraq where the US is embroiled in an occupation to visiting Cleveland or Vail is in itself weird but to dismiss how a politician uses the information they gather on their fact-finding-mission is incredible. McCain goes to Iraq and lies about what is going on….Obama and Clinton go there and at least report the modest truth and you contend they should be treated in the same manner. Honest discussion is what you said you wanted…too bad you said it out of the mouth in the back of your head.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:57 amAre you an equal-opportunity troll? :) Ive never been there, I suppose I should check it out sometime now that you have brought it to my attention. Comment by Godzirra
Atrios and a few others make a good point or write a good article, but the posters never stay on topic for long even though many are well educated. Alot of metaphorical language and word play. (too much college perhaps =)
June 30th, 2007 at 2:03 amLOL, Vail…Sonny Bono is a victim of war….shut up Godzirra.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:03 amLet me fire it back at you. Regardless of party affiliation, who would you pick?
Yow, you caught me off-guard. To be honest, I cant say I have enough knowledge about all those congressmen (how can you possibly study all of them) but if I had to pick right now Id go with Mike Pence of Indiana.
The reason I veer toward him is that he does enough to make himself a player but doesnt say or do the stupid things like what Brownback did with the immigration bill (I know he is a senator but dumb is dumb). He also doesnt get any facetime and I dont trust the camera-hogs who like to hear themselves talk.
Im sure there are some Indiana folks or just plain ol’ researchers here who might rip me over Pence, but Ill accept that.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:05 amId love to be a fly on the wall in those backroom negotiations they have, the conspiratorial side of me says they are laughing at the game they have created. Comment by Godzirra
Kinda like WWF pundit style!
June 30th, 2007 at 2:06 amIt doesn’t take a genious to despise Pence.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:08 amGodzirra, I am honestly not all that familiar with Pence. Did you choose him because he compared Indiana to Iraq? If not, why?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:09 amHonest discussion is what you said you wanted…too bad you said it out of the mouth in the back of your head
This line has transformed into something else and you seem to be on the verge of getting a bit caustic with me, so Ill just have to say that we disagree on this and leave it at that. You insulted me earlier and youre going back that way again, and Im not the type to trade insults, its just so lame and pointless. Maybe JPark wants to talk to you?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:10 amAlot of metaphorical language and word play. (too much college perhaps =)
You must have a lot of fun messing with them; does it ever get to the point that they lose their cool and the high-minded language seems to evaporate? Sometimes the high-strung types have a caveman lurking just under the surface.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:12 amGodzirra, you are kinda full of sh!t. If anybody buys your “reasonable” falsehood…I feel sorry for them. You are an a$$
June 30th, 2007 at 2:12 amKinda like WWF pundit style!
Just as long as no one gets strangled or smothered.
Ok, tasteless joke but I had to go with it.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:14 amFred/Rudy 2008
June 30th, 2007 at 2:16 amYou insulted me earlier and youre going back that way again, and Im not the type to trade insults, its just so lame and pointless. Maybe JPark wants to talk to you?
Comment by Godzirra
Ok. I am out of here anyway. I hope that you had a good laugh choosing your screen name “Oh look it Godzirra” and insulting the Japanese stereotype. But you are serious in your discussions…I forgot Jaso…I mean…..Godzirra.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:16 am#239,
Interesting pick. The toughest thing is that you never know how the person is going to handle the “power” until they have it. My experience, unfortunately, has been that they usually sink to the position. There is that truism about power and corruption of course.
For any east coasters or midwest/central folks out there, you are hard core. For this west coaster, this night is over.
Thanks for the civil discussion Godzirra and good night all. May we, our Iraqi bretheren, and our service members, all survive the weekend.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:16 amIt doesn’t take a genious to despise Pence.
Obviously. Your words, not mine.
Now if only I could predict the lottery numbers as successfully.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:17 amAlright fed, take it easy. (Im a midwestern night owl)
June 30th, 2007 at 2:18 amNo, you are a midwestern jerkoff.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:19 amI hope that you had a good laugh choosing your screen name “Oh look it Godzirra†and insulting the Japanese stereotype.
I have a personal connection to the name which you would probably dismiss anyway, so its not really worth the time to explain.
Adios
June 30th, 2007 at 2:20 amWell JPark, its just you and me now. Where do you want to start?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:21 amJesus FTFU is finally pumping Godzirras nuts…..#199 Valid point….#221 I agree…..#249 Interesting pick…..#234 Excellent question….I think Godzirra just got tired of posting under two names.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:23 am#248,
Just so you know, “Godzirra” is the original spelling. It was us english speaking sort who changed it to “Godzilla” because it was easier to pronounce.
So, to say “Godzilla” is actually the insult to the Japanese. Ironic really, when you consider that “Godzirra” was an abomination created through a mutation caused by nuclear radiation. And if I need to explain where the radiation comes from then, well…Oh no, they say he’s got to go go go Goodnight.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:23 am52% of Americans would never vote for Hillary. Even John McCain would beat her.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:24 am#255 finally *done* pumping
June 30th, 2007 at 2:25 amThanks for the info, I never knew that. My connection is built on the presumption that Godzirra was the false spelling, so Im afraid Ill have to stick with it.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:26 amMr. Big. Nope. I don’t like Hillary but the last polls show her whipping McCains a$$. Thanks for lying, though.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:27 amPoint made long ago and cast aside. Taxpayer money doesn’t care what was said after the fact and the fact is that security costs were distributed to both sides, regardless of what happened post-visit.
Comment by Godzirra — June 30, 2007 @ 1:24 am
So tell us about the details of clinton’s and obama’s visit… McCain’s purpose was to demonstrate how safe it is in Baghdad by shopping in a local market. His security retinue of 100 soldiers, two helicopters, etc. belied his thesis and made him look ridiculous. It was a huge drain on the military’s resources for a dog and pony show
June 30th, 2007 at 2:27 amOh, come on Godzirra, you can’t honestly say that is not the “Asian” spelling. Yi Jianlian is not impressed.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:29 amThere is nothing to tell because this point has been hashed-over in literally dozens of posts. Feel free to peruse all 260 of them for more detail, Im done explaining it.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:29 amMy connection is built on the presumption that Godzirra was the false spelling, so Im afraid Ill have to stick with it.
Comment by Godzirra
Which would kind of collaborate with my presumption that you wished to make fun of the Japanese pronunciation. hmmm. But I wouldn’t understand your personal connection.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:30 amJPark, the latest poll is the one showing that 52% of Americans wouldn’t vote for Hillary for any reason. Thus, McCain would beat her. And beat her badly. You love her. That is why you lied.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:31 amOh, come on Godzirra, you can’t honestly say that is not the “Asian†spelling. Yi Jianlian is not impressed.
As I learned it from a relative, “Godzilla” was the proper spelling though when youre dealing with two cultures intersecting the origins of such things can blur the memory.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:32 amOk,. Godzirra, your name ISN’T racist. Got it.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:33 amMr. Big. You don’t know me. If you did you would know I despise Hillary. But you aren’t very bright, anyway.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:34 amMr. Big, the latest poll shows Hillary beating every Republican candidate by at least 2%. Have a comment?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:35 amWhich would kind of collaborate with my presumption that you wished to make fun of the Japanese pronunciation. hmmm. But I wouldn’t understand your personal connection.
Think of it as self-deprecation back when Japanese culture in America was almost non-existant. The word was taught to me in a manner that subtley derided but also championed Japanese culture.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:36 amDo you have a link for that?
Thanks.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:37 amYou despise Hillary but you lie and say she would whip McCain? That is not what today’s poll says. It doesn’t sound like you despise her. It sounds like you are her biggest supporter.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:37 amOk,. Godzirra, your name ISN’T racist. Got it.
You have no idea of its meaning , its context or its history to me.
You do make for an interesting talk though, one never knows when you will fly off the handle.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:38 amThink of it as self-deprecation back when Japanese culture in America was almost non-existant. The word was taught to me in a manner that subtley derided but also championed Japanese culture.
Comment by Godzirra
No thanks. I’ll continue to think of it as a slant to a culture by a disingenuous jack-off. See ya. Good luck JPark. Keep the hip waders on and strapped.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:39 amMr. Big, last I knew she was +4 on all Rethuglican candidates. I still can’t stand her. I like Edwards. Do you understand the difference? I suppose not.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:40 amI NEED hip-waders to slog through his crap dlet. Unfortunately I am guessing maybe 30% of TPers are buying his BS.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:42 amNo thanks. I’ll continue to think of it as a slant to a culture by a disingenuous jack-off. See ya. Good luck JPark. Keep the hip waders on and strapped.
At least youre consistent, you have that going for you. This site must be sponsored by the DU, all the same wonderful people seem to infest it.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:43 amJpark, are you familar with today’s gallup poll showing that 52% of Americans would never vote for Hillary? Maybe you aren’t.
I don’t believe you when you say you despise Hillary. You wouldn’t be defending her if you did. When you really like somebody is when you lie and defend your candidate against any charge. Like you are doing now.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:44 amMr. Big, you do realize over 50% of the people dont’ actually vote, right?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:46 amThese were of likely voters, Jpark.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:47 amThat would mean that 102% of the people wouldn’t vote for Hillary in your world.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:47 amWhat about registered voters?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:48 amNot that I would expect you to know that, since you are just another a@@face who blindly follows bush.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:48 amGod, I hate defending a Clinton.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:48 amOK, 284 wasn’t me.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:49 am#284 have the balls to say that yourself.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:49 amAlright, with only the esteemed JPark to talk with, the debate has definitely would down to the lowest possible denominator. See ya gents.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:50 amYou’re spinning out of control, Jpark. Who cares about registered voters. The polls you site are of registered voters. Mine was of likely voters. Do you understand the difference? You seem to love defending a Clinton. If you really despised Clinton, you would agree with me. You wouldn’t make up stuff. You have lied in almost every post to me.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:51 amI would vote for Clinton if I had to even though Edwards is my man, if you know what I mean.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:52 amIf Edwards loses, write him in, in the general. Don’t vote for somebody you despise.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:54 amYou do know that a poll of registered voters is more accurate than likely voters, right? Or are you stupid?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:54 amShove it, you came on here to trash Clinton and even though I dont like her she is much better than any of the azzmunchers on the rethuglican side. Ya moronic hick.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:54 amThanks, Mr. Big, I wouldn’t take your advice.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:54 amGoodnight Jpark. I have enjoyed this exchange.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:54 amWho the f^ck is stealing my name (#295). I agree but you had better start using your own name.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:56 amPoint made long ago and cast aside. Taxpayer money doesn’t care what was said after the fact and the fact is that security costs were distributed to both sides, regardless of what happened post-visit.
Comment by Godzirra — June 30, 2007 @ 1:24 am
McCain’s purpose was to demonstrate how safe it is in Baghdad by shopping in a local market. His security retinue of 100 soldiers, two helicopters, etc. belied his thesis and made him look ridiculous. It was a huge drain on the military’s resources for a dog and pony show. Clinton’s and Obama’s visits were more low key. It suggests to me that they may have actually learned something…
The point is that security costs were distributed disproportionately and in the war candidate’s case it was more money down the bottomless rat hole
June 30th, 2007 at 2:56 amWake up Mcfly, I despise everything about you righties, from your war to your ugly Coulter horse-face women. If youre too stupid to figure that out, then maybe you need to walk into traffic!
June 30th, 2007 at 2:56 amNight Mr. Big. I can’t tell you what I have said and what the jackass who has been stealing my name has said. Anyway, good night.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:57 am#298 isn’t me either.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:57 amWho says McFly? I am not a nerd.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:58 amWho is the f^ck who ruined my talk with Mr. Big? (#293) I hate you rightie morons who do this, probably because your d^ck is so small and you drool. A^^hole!
June 30th, 2007 at 2:59 amWho the f^ck is stealing my name? You hate the war and Coulter so leave me the f^ck alone and let me do my own thing.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:59 am#302 is a lying sack, as well.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:59 amYou better start using your real name ja^koff or Ill kick your teeth in. It wont be the first time Ive stomped somebody.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:00 amIt is Mr. President, isn’t it? I thought I showed you more respect than that.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:00 amTP, you need to do something about this.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:01 amYou a^^ on #302, little biotch moron name stealer. Ill get you.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:01 am#305 Another fake.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:01 am#308 Fake
June 30th, 2007 at 3:02 amIt is beyotch. Dumbass.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:02 amNow #308 is a fake and the ahole name stealer is claiming that my posts are fake. Rightie j$rkoff!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:02 amIts CV, isnt it? You a^^hole, why are you being such a beyotch name stealer ho?
#310 and 311 are fake. Not me.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:04 am#312 Clever.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:04 amHey Jpark, wazz happenin?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:05 am#313 trying to trick again. Fake.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:05 amFine, I am going to sleep. Keep stealing my name, b!tch. It isn’t like you actually make a difference.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:05 amHey Jpark, whats going down?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:06 amOh I do make a difference because you are MAD right now, you pedophilic slobbering rump king.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:07 amHow many kids you molest today, you leftwing sheep raper?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:08 amC’mon DP, I know youre still there, get those fatboy sausage fingers of yours off the crank and typing. Usually you have so much to say, now youre speechless? Boy got your tongue?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:09 amAww, that is sweet. I MUST make a difference since some loser is stealing my name. By the way, I hate fish. I like cats, you pathetic loser.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:10 amDont feel bad, DP, fat kids all over the world are suffering just as you do every single day. Have hope you twink, someday youll find that perfect guy and all will be made well in your life.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:11 amYou are funny, JPark’s. Wait, no, you really aren’t. You are actually kinda dumb.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:12 amNo one is stealing your name you ugly retard, its all in your imagination, along with lots of naked men.
Its no wonder you like cats, most pedophiles do.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:13 amThat was really stupid, Fishy.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:13 amF^ck off, idiot morons. Name stealing jerkoffs.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:14 am#328 wasn’t real. I guess it is true though.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:14 amOK, the fake one at #328 is gone now. Do you think maybe it is time for registration, TP???
June 30th, 2007 at 3:15 amJpark..the real one, why no talkie talkie? When all your leftwing dolt buddies are around for support, you cant seem to shut up. Now that youre alone you seem to have lost the use of your jizz stained tongue.
Why is that you cowardly chubby prostit^te?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:15 amNo, pedophiles like small children…not cats. Dumbass.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:16 amCome on, sausage boy, no more heat to bring tonight? Do we need to call in the troops so you can find some courage?
No doubt tomorrow youll be spouting your crap again like a tough guy, so Ill have to find you. Jekyll and Hyde jerkoff.
You know it, I know it.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:17 amNo, pedophiles like small children…not cats. Dumbass.
As you know all too well, azzgoblin. How many times you been to prison for collecting child porn you sack of shiite?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:18 amWhat do you know about troops? It is not like you have any balls
June 30th, 2007 at 3:18 amFake. You tough? Wanna find me in real life? No? I didn’t think so.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:19 amTP, you need registration.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:20 amYou are LAME and BORING, JP you stupid f^ck. You dont even have a girlfriend do you? DO YOU? Nope, youre stuck here at your PC pretending that you matter.
You are a moron, no doubt, and your political views remind me of a retard playing with a kite.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:21 amFake me, you do realize I would destroy you in real life, right?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:22 am#335 fake. Not me.
You aholes dont have the balls to face me for real, you would run away like a girl. Come on tough guys, lets do this!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:23 amAt least you are using pet fish. You want to insult me, that is ok. No, I don’t have a girlfriend right now. Pretending I matter? I must. You are obsessed with me.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:24 am#338 and #14 fake. TP, please have registration so I dont have to beat up these rightie jerks.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:24 am#339 Obsessed
June 30th, 2007 at 3:24 am#341 Ugh, grow up.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:25 amRight now? How about never? Come on pigpen, admit it, you and girls just dont connect, never have.
Uh oh, I hear boiling…the girl comments are hitting home and JP is getting steamed.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:26 amI wouldn’t have called 14 a fake. Get it dolt?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:26 amWho is pigpen? And when have you ever met a girl?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:26 am#342 fake. You need a life you a^^wipe.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:27 am#345 fake. Not me. Also #347 fake.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:28 amWhat the HELL is going on in here!?!?
JPark, is that you?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:28 amTP, we need registration NOW.
#361 fake.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:29 amSome a^^wipe is stealing my name and playing games. I thought it was you and probalby is, what did I ever do to you?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:30 amWho is pigpen?
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 3:26 am
If this is the real JPark,
Pigpen is Charlie Brown’s dirty friend from Peanuts.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:30 am#349 fake. Clever but fake.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:30 amMr. Pres. I am me. I am getting ripped off. Ia ma not impressed with the TP defense. So about a third of those comments were mine.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:30 amI say fukc this shit.
It’s too stupid.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:31 am#354 fake Crap, Im tired of this and Im going to contact TP for registration.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:31 amLOL, I love pigpen (so you know this is me, my fake is 12 fu$king years old). Charles Schultz is the man.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:31 amLOL, I love pigpen (so you know this is me, my fake is 12 fu$king years old). Charles Schultz is the man
June 30th, 2007 at 3:32 amSee, pres? #357 is fake.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:33 am#354 fake Crap, Im tired of this and Im going to contact TP for registration.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 3:31 am
How is MY comment fake?
BUSTED!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:33 amYeah, it is annoying, My name is Mud. I am getting screwed by this little moron.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:34 amLOL, Mr. Pres (Claypool), you are good. You busted my doppleganger.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:35 am#360 fake.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:35 amHe knows he doesnt have the balls to face me for real so he name steals instead
June 30th, 2007 at 3:35 amSee, pres? #357 is fake.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 3:33 am
So you deny that you are a fan of Charles Schultz.
OK, I want you (the JPark of #358) to tell me what my alias is.
If #358 is not the real JPark, the author of #358 would not know.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:36 amWhatever #364, Winona kicks your a$$.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:36 am#362 I would never use the word doppleganger. HA got you little troll beyotch!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:37 amLOL, Mr. Pres (Claypool), you are good. You busted my doppleganger.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 3:35 am
Thanks, JPark.
I think this is good ol’ Godzirra!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:37 amGo ahead faker, tell him tough guy.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:37 amKnew he couldnt say it because he is an a^^hole and he knows it
June 30th, 2007 at 3:39 amMr. P. I was #358. I am unfortunately too darned drunk. I just know it was Claypoolish. I don’t want to give more than that. Toadboy might catch on.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:40 am#367 fake. Youre’ starting to lose it, faker beyotch.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:40 amYou think it is Godzirra? The guy seemed pretty logical (despite being an a$$hole)
June 30th, 2007 at 3:42 amI know, you dont have to give away any more of it.
I can tell who the real DPark is now.
BUSTED AGAIN!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:42 amSo, somebody is attacking me. Must mean Karl thinks I am a threat.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:43 amI dont know.
Could be anyone just out to get you mad.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:43 amHold on and I will show you how I know.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:44 amLOL, Mr. P, you are doing well. By the way, Winona is hot!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:44 amHA!
#375 fake!
BUSTED!!! TROLL!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:44 amBut this might take a while.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:45 amThis is really annoying. I hate getting ripped off. I feel like shoplifting.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:45 ampres
#377 is real, it is me
June 30th, 2007 at 3:46 amNo, Mr. P. That was me. I am guessing my thief is a Rovian :) Eh, Prime?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:47 am#382 is a dick, Prime.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:47 am#384 is being an a^^face, probly some rightie d^ckhead
June 30th, 2007 at 3:48 am#377 is the real you. JPark? Umm, #377 is Mr. President, moron.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:48 am#384 is a dick, Prime. This is me
June 30th, 2007 at 3:49 amJPark,
Look at what he calls you in this post:
That’s what happens when lazy thinkers let Fox News do their thinking for them.
DPark was right, it seems that a reasonable debate which might defend the right ends up being a target for personal attack.
So now Im stupid, is that it? Simply because you dont like the manner in which I present my argument? That in itself is a mere opinion founded on nothing more than dislike of the content.
Is there anyone here who WONT regress to slurring me and is willing to listen and debate a differing point of view?
Comment by Godzirra — June 30, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Compare to this:
Dont feel bad, DP, fat kids all over the world are suffering just as you do every single day. Have hope you twink, someday youll find that perfect guy and all will be made well in your life.
Comment by JPark’s Pet Fish — June 30, 2007 @ 3:11 am
OK, now look at this post (which is of course not me):
I know, you dont have to give away any more of it.
I can tell who the real DPark is now.
BUSTED AGAIN!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 3:42 am
So, indeed, Godzirra, busted again!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:50 amTP, please register!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:50 am#387
Busted, you dick
June 30th, 2007 at 3:51 amTell you what, you eject from a jet after its hit by an AA missile, land on the ground and break both arms and a leg. After capture, you are beat up and stabbed with a bayonet before being transferred to the most notorious of Vietnamese prisons.
Then spend five and a half years in that prison getting your ass kicked on an almost daily basis until youre crippled to the point that you are unable to raise your arms above your head.
Lets see how far you would make it. The man suffered more than you can imagine. Go after him for his political stance if you like but going after his military record is pure hate.
Comment by Godzirra — June 29, 2007
Screw his military record. Considering that the man has casually made jokes about the possible killing of perhaps 10 of thousands of human beings (bomb, bomb, bomb… bomb, bomb Iran) I think that he hasn’t suffered enough! He’s a complete and utter sociopath.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:51 amI knew it was godzirra all along
June 30th, 2007 at 3:52 amDamn, Winona, my doppleganger IS Godzirra!!!! I had a bit of respect for him. Now I despise his pathetic a$$. What a loser. Thanks, MP.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:52 amEverybody, Godzirra is a cheap sh!t and a namestealer.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:53 amNo problem.
Troll busting is easy when you know how.
BUSTED GODZIRRA!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:53 am#391 I did NOT know it was Godzirra. Double bass.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:53 amGodzirra, go f%ck yourself. You can’t debate me so you cheat.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:54 am#393 is not me. Stop this sh^t Godzirra, we know its you, jerkoff.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:55 amWinona?
I don’t get it. If this was written by the real JPark, could you explain, and address me by my Left Behind prankster alias.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:55 amMr. Pres, you are da man!!! Thank you Mud.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:55 amWinona’s big brown beaver.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:56 am#394 Namestealer a^^hole, you cant even type like I do.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:56 am#397 is Godzirra
June 30th, 2007 at 3:56 amGODZIRRA I can’t believe you resorted to this
June 30th, 2007 at 3:56 am#402 Thief.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:56 amWinona’s big brown beaver.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 3:56 am
Say no more.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:57 amPippy, today is the first day I have seen him. He seemed so rational.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:57 amGodzirra, why are you doing this?
Winona what?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:58 amGodzirra, why are you doing this?
Winona what?
Comment by Mr. President — June 30, 2007 @ 3:58 am
Mr. President would never act like that you moron!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:59 amThat is exactly why it is hard to trust new people, Mud. They often turn out to be fake. This one more than most. This is my first namethief. I guess I am getting some status :)
June 30th, 2007 at 4:00 am#406 is fake, not me pippy. Faker namestealer jerkoff.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:00 amSo, Mr. P., it looks like you are getting ripped off by my favorite clone, too.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:01 am#411 Got you faker beyotch! Wrong number you moron!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:01 amShut up #411.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:01 amFake JPark, Mr. Pres knows you are fake. WHY are you fake (you have also faked his name)
June 30th, 2007 at 4:02 amComment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 4:00 am
It’s kind of funny, now that he is busted.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:02 amHis name is Godzirra? Who was he before that? Jason?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:02 amWhere did this guy come from?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:03 amThis is bull. Now theres’ more than one clone.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:04 amHis name is Godzirra? Who was he before that? Jason?
Comment by PIPpy — June 30, 2007 @ 4:02 am
PIPpy doesn’t know who Jason is, so I am guessing this is the faker.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:04 amI dont know where he came from, he just appeared today and acted like a *moderate* pussy.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:05 amHe was fake, you can recognize my writing.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:06 amI don’t know, Mr. Pres. TP better ban him soon or I won’t be back. If somebody like him can hijack everything there really is no point of being here. Blame it on the fish.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:07 amThis guy is definately a wierdo.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:07 am#420 That is clever!! I am not a big fan of moderates.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:08 amHe was fake, you can recognize my writing.
Comment by PIPpy — June 30, 2007 @ 4:06 am
Indeed I we can
June 30th, 2007 at 4:08 amThey need to have a registration so they cant namesteal.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:09 amErratum: post #425) should read -
Indeed I can
June 30th, 2007 at 4:09 amWishing McCain no harm . . . dude, take care of yourself. Wow. You’ve already established yourself as an American icon. Please, harrass dems and golf.
Stay home. You’ve got nothing to prove and it’s possible that a whole lot of bad could happen. Probably won’t, but could.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:10 am#426 You arent fooling us anymore.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:10 amThey need to have a registration so they cant namesteal.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 4:09 am
Sure thing FAKE
June 30th, 2007 at 4:10 am#424 is not me. Why dont you just go away Godzirra?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:11 amThis guy is definately a wierdo.
Comment by CHENEY 2008!!! — June 30, 2007 @ 4:07 am
You sure are, FAKE!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:12 am#424 is not me. Why dont you just go away Godzirra?
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 4:11 am
FAKE
June 30th, 2007 at 4:12 amYup, that one was fake. It must be beaverly tough to tell though. TP needs to do something.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:13 am#432 is not the pres.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:13 amMP, you are good!!!!! I don’t know how you can tell without the muddy water!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:14 amFAKE
Comment by Mr. President — June 30, 2007 @ 4:12 am
Nice try Godzirra, we know that Mr. President couldn’t post both those comments at the same time.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:15 amI think he left.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:15 amYes, he left, dopper. Jerk.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:16 amI think he left.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 4:15 am
Lets hope so.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:16 am#439 is the namestealer jerkoff. Not me.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:17 amNo #440. I still here… heh heh…
I’m so totally busted. How’d ya know?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:21 amI sent a message to TP. I asked if they were going to do anything about the namejacking of myself and my opposite.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:21 amShut up already Dub’ya.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:22 amHeh heh. I know not how you know. You callin me a jerkoff. Please ’splain.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:22 amWho is calling you a jerkoff?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:23 amJPark, this guy is making so many mistakes. Notice that he doesn’t use the apostrophe. So instead of “can’t” he just writes “cant”
Of course he’ll correct himself now, but I’m going to bed,
Talk to you later real JPark.
and Godzirra,
Go Fukc Yourself,
PiPpy
June 30th, 2007 at 4:23 amWell, its been fun girls but I have some sleeping to do.
Hopefully you syphilitic pedophilics didnt get your dander up too high over this, I know how liberals can go apeshit at the slightest provocation.
Ill be back sometime, though you wont know when or where and Ill do it just enough to make your life difficult. Why? Because you condescending shatbirds are a little too pompous for your own good and you need to be downsized, just like the democrap party.
Have fun flucktwits, cant say you gave me much of a challenge tonight.
Happy Holidays and Good Eatin’!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:25 amNight Caligula. The guy is a dolt. Unfortunately TP won’t do anything about it. We are at his mercy. That makes me ill.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:26 amYa see. I gotta a frient, Borat, he tells me jerkoff aint so nice a thing to be callin your friends.
Me, I say, you don’t like your name Godzirilla, Mr. President or jerkoff, whatever, pick a new one.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:26 amAt least he left now.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:27 amHappy Holidays and Good Eatin’!
Comment by Hotel California — June 30, 2007 @ 4:25 am
Actually your leaving because you were busted numerous times and you couldn’t pull off the act any more!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:28 amWell, lets see, Hotel Bullsh!t. A guy who doesn’t generally agree with liberals is not impressed with you bullsh!t either. Good job!!!! Nobpdy will ever listen to you because you are an a$$hole!!! Nice job!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:28 amOh, before I go
CHENEY 2008!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:30 amand Godzirra, we know you are still here, shithead.
Thank you P. I know he screwed you over too but not until you spoke up.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:31 amI have heard that Godzirra has syphilus.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:32 amLOL, that was me with the Constantinus.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:33 amEwww, I totally missed out on tne miscreant that is the Hotel California. Ick. Taking odds, he’s either in the pen, or will be before dawn.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:33 amNope, the fake didn’t wouldn’t be able to spell syphilitic. How about you Dub’ya?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:36 amOK, cut the didn’t.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:37 amDamn, Primus, I am going to trust you more. I am so losing my liberal cred :)
June 30th, 2007 at 4:39 amHey, Hotel California is one messed up dood. Toasted. Don’t talk to him. TM needs to cull.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:17 amdamn i’m wasted
June 30th, 2007 at 5:33 amOther than marketing scheme for his campaign, McCain’s visit will not provide anything new other than what the public already know about this war.
June 30th, 2007 at 6:31 amBut McCain will cost the taxpayer to accomodate him,protect him and escort him to his Iraqi market’s visits. Something the troops do not need to be burdened with now.
> Typical Islamo-Stalinist.
Islam is a religion..anything vaugely associated with communism (aka Stalin) is militantly athiest. Congratualtion with coming up with an even more ludicrious oxymoron than “Islamo-fascist”
June 30th, 2007 at 7:19 amThis time it will be 200 military, 6 Blackhawk helicoptors, and 4 Apache gunships!
June 30th, 2007 at 7:31 amComment by Jesus loves the warm Beef of a Man — June 30, 2007 @ 7:19 am
Read the definition, idiot.
Islamo-Stalinism: synthesis of the most retarded aspects of the Islam-loving Left and Stalinism.
Islamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
Also know as a Dhimmi.
By the way, I didn’t come up with the word, it has existed for over 2 years.
Try to stay in touch with reality, fool.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:48 amDamn, Primus, I am going to trust you more. I am so losing my liberal cred :)
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 4:39 am
Aw… You’re fine.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:49 amJeez the trolls in here have gone off the deep end.
I hope they’re sleeping it off under their bridge.
And Islamo-Stalinism is the stupidest oxymoron I’ve ever heard. Dumbass Repukes.
June 30th, 2007 at 8:23 am“Maybe I’ll go to work today.
June 30th, 2007 at 8:47 amWhat do you think, Barney?
No?
Just stay here and cuddle some more?
Ok!”
I Hereby Decree that today is to henceforth be known as
June 30th, 2007 at 8:56 amHeap Untold Masses of Sh!t Upon my August Personage Day
What, does he need new rugs already? I am certain that Iraqis eagerly wait to server him so they can be shot to death by death squads afterwards, as happened after his last visit. The man is TOTALLY, INSANELY DELUSIONAL. His family really need to lock him up for his and America’s protection.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:13 amThis sorry sack of insanity will finish off his campaign once and for all with this new trip idea. His egoic transparency has become painfully obvious: He’s as unable to admit to making a mistake as George W. Bush! That’s now patently clear since his last trip was called a “serious blunder” so now it’s a “blunder redux” and he still hasn’t a clue, does he?
The problem with psychiatric pathology is that the individual experiencing it isn’t capable of the necessary “insight” to even recognize or realize what he is doing…..I’d say that describes The Shrub to a tee.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:37 amComment by Tom3 — June 30, 2007 @ 8:23 am
June 30th, 2007 at 9:38 amTypical Islamo-Stalinist Ignorance.
Hey McInsane: Please tell your moron-buddy, Lindsey Graham, that he’d better march his flabby buns over there with you because the rugs are not on sale – 3 rugs for 1.00!! Wow!
And, while you’re at it, I’d suggest that you investigate the other type of “rugs” out there….yes, the ones you put in the place where your hair should be!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:38 amHi Tom3 – Rock on! Sounds like you guys slayed the troll-dragons pretty well last night! Kudos, friend.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:40 amJg & Zooey: Likewise, when McCain spoke with candor about the Vietnam War, he had personal credibility. He got the royal slapdown from the Chimp during his debates with him and, instead of deciding to use his integrity to bring the level of dialogue to a greater height, he prostituted himself and became Bush’s “front man” on the circuit. One only has to wonder what kind of deal he made in order to participate in such a charade??
At this point, it became clear that he was having a mental breakdown and was being brainwashed. (or brainwashed for a price just like Colin Powell??). Whatever McCain’s motives, his fall from credibility and grace is almost unbelievable. Yes, he was respected for his military record and still deserves that recognition.
Yes, he has become a sycophantic loyal bushie who drinks the same tainted Kool-aid as the rest of the brainwashed lockstepping neonazis we have destroying this country.
And, finally, yes – I would have to say that McCain’s obstinacy even trumps that of Bush in his inability to admit to his own human fallibility…..he’s returning to Iraq in an attempt to prove all the naysayers wrong and to attempt to rewire his own campaign history. Unfortunately for him, this will prove to only double the effect of the first trip which, effectively, tanked his campaign.
McCain is a very sad american story – of someone who sold his soul for either money or the greedy lure of wrongdoing and the ability to “get away with it” – both equally seductive lures. His alignment with the GOP ideology has to do with his personal inability to gain the necessary insight into his own psychiatric pathology. One who cannot admit a mistake and is so mentally compromised that they cannot develop insight enough to realize that they have a problem is akin to a ‘BUSH REDUX’….SOMETHING THIS COUNTRY DOES NOT NEED AND CANNOT AFFORD.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:48 amveritas, I fully agree. For me McCain is a tragic figure. Mind, I don’t shed any tears for him, he a politician after all and is doing literally everything to get the job. He’s sacrificing the lives and health of many people in Iraq for his personal ambition.There is an aura of desperation about him. He can’t and wont believe it’s over. Like an ageing movie star trying to be the belle du jour at 60. McCain’s so very ZsaZsa Gabor.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:36 amYou nailed Insane McCain to the wall, veritas.
He’s driving the StraitJacket Express to political oblivion.
We don’t need another whacko like Chimpy in the Oval Office.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:39 amIMHO, all politicians that visit Iraq or Afganistan or Sudan should be made to dress in full battle gear with a very prominent bullseye in front and back.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:41 amtime to soup-up the borrowed Pope-Mobile for a drag through Baghdad
June 30th, 2007 at 11:08 amMcCain looks like a gone-horribly-awry experiment in joining a Mr. Potato Head to a human torso.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pmDamn scruffy soiled the rug he bought on his last visit. Must need a new one…
June 30th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIs McCain going to stay there in Iraq? He should!
http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org
June 30th, 2007 at 3:03 pmYou go John. Did that hole a little deeper. You’re hoping to strike oil . . . you’re going to hit bedrock. Rock bottom.
Dream big!
June 30th, 2007 at 5:14 pmBush should go, the MSN should flood the airwaves with his arrival, and the SS should abandon him, that would solve all our problems, and once again the world would be gratefull for U.S. forsight.
June 30th, 2007 at 6:24 pmand when he gets there what exactly will he do? – i mean,apart from getting his pic taken what does he actually acheive when he goes there?
June 30th, 2007 at 8:07 pmObviously McCain wants a re-do on the photo-op for his failing election campaign. The last set of pictures just wouldn’t do, so at taxpayer expense McCain is getting a new set of photo’a taken. Yawn.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:42 pmAny chance we can get McCain to take Lieberman to Iraq with him? Perhaps they could take an unarmored stroll and after they buy a few cheap rugs they can admire all the satellite dishes and cell phones together (unless of course that cell phone is wired to an IED, then it’d be tsk tsk)
What would Paris do in this situation, Wolf? Take him along for the photo op or leave him here to mind the AIPAC agenda?
July 1st, 2007 at 2:55 pm