McCain plans to return to Iraq on Monday.
By on Jun 29th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
McCain plans to return to Iraq on Monday.
CNN reports, “Normally VIP visits to Iraq are kept under wraps, at least until the day of the trip. But Senator John McCain Friday night said he’s going to Iraq next week.” In April, the last time he visited in Iraq, McCain claimed Americans were “not getting the full picture” of the situation in Iraq. On that same visit, McCain was escorted through a Baghdad market with 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters, and 2 Apache gunships. Here’s the video from that visit:
Will he wear the flak jacket underneath or over his dress?
(Well, it’s working for Rudi!!!)
June 29th, 2007 at 10:59 pmI hope he’s going as a Senator because his run for President if OVER.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:02 pm“Tell me why
June 29th, 2007 at 11:03 pmI don’t like Mondays”
McCain is simply trying to resurrect a dead campaign after the immigration fiasco but at least he is willing to boot his boots on the ground there.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:04 pmIs he TRYING to get shot or blown up so that people will vote for him is he is injured? You can’t vote for him if he is dead! Though, he probably won’t venture out of the Green Zone.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:06 pm(OK, another book plug.. Just read “Imperial Life in the Emerald City”. Informative reading and great writing. It is about life in the Green Zone and how we got to where we are today).
McCain is going to Iraq to campaign as a fund raiser. Now notice he’s getting nothing in the US everyone is wise to his lies. Now he’s going to the Iraq Market Place to raise money for his campaign. The people of Arizona don’t want McCain and the promise Bush made to give him the election he can no longer do. So it’s off to Iraq to do some fund raising. I wonder how much they will give him? Notice McCain says the Market Place is safe yet he’s not taking his wife. McCain now wishes he never gave Bush that hug and that he lied for the GOP.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:08 pmLet me guess, he will come back talking about how much progress is being made, how the surge is working, etc., etc. Ten years from now, when the war is still going on, he will be working in talk radio and talking about how the latest stay the course strategy is working.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:08 pmIraq’s just like Vegas. Plenty of sand and one-armed bandits…
McCain’s seen the latest odds, and knows Rudy’s kicking his ass. This is McCain’s version of going “all in” for the ‘08 primary.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:09 pmMaybe we’ll all get lucky and McCain will surrender himself to some Iraqi peasant like he did to that rice farmer in Vietnam all those years ago.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:09 pmIt’s so the people in the market will have time to run away. They saw what happened to the market last time…
June 29th, 2007 at 11:11 pmHe’s going to Iraq for the 4th of July,
June 29th, 2007 at 11:11 pm’cause that’s where all the really loud fireworks are.
Will he wear the flak jacket underneath or over his dress?
He will wear the flak jacket where ever AEI tells him too.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:12 pmMaybe we’ll all get lucky and McCain will surrender himself to some Iraqi peasant like he did to that rice farmer in Vietnam all those years ago.
Comment by Snowball
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think McCain’s military record should be attacked.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:12 pmNow he’s going to the Iraq Market Place to raise money for his campaign.
he’s going there cus that was the last place someone saw that $18 billion in cash!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:14 pmSo is all the money for the heightened security going to come out of his presidential war chest? No? Oh the taxpayers will be picking this up…..hmmm…… sounds presidential Repub style to me.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:14 pmZooey is right on 13
June 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pmI mean, how sad and pathetic is it the Rudy Giuliani is kicking ANYONE’S ass..?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pmHe doesn’t need security…it’s the DAMN liberal media that makes Iraq look bad. The explosions and dying kids are all CGI.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:18 pmMaybe it’s just me, but I don’t think McCain’s military record should be attacked.
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 11:12 pm
Why not, he stood by silently and let it happen to John Kerry who was actually a hero? A shear act of cowardice if ever there was one. Now he solidly stands behind Bush and a pointless act of an illegal “pre-emptive” war sending young troops to needless death. He’s earned it if anyone has.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:18 pmThe same security was provided for Obama and Hillary when they visited Iraq and I doubt they paid for it either. Does that sound presidential Repub or Dem style to you?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:19 pmHe doesn’t need security…it’s the DAMN liberal media that makes Iraq look bad. The explosions and dying kids are all CGI.
Comment by willyloman — June 29, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
If that helps you sleep better at night believing that, then go ahead. More power to you.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:20 pmSorry Z but I gotta go with Snowball on that one. McCain jumped on the cruise with the SwiftBoaters, and reversed course on his stance on the occupation for a nomination. He gets whatever the angry public want to throw. Should be tomatoes and bricks.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThe same security was provided for Obama and Hillary when they visited Iraq and I doubt they paid for it either. Does that sound presidential Repub or Dem style to you?
Comment by Godzirra
Yeah, but they didn’t come back comparing the situation to a farmer’s market in Indiana or brag about buying a rug for $5.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:22 pmHe’s earned it if anyone has.
You can berate McCain for his recent actions but there is no doubting his service record or the hell he endured in the POW prisons.
Same goes for Murtha, some people dont like his current political stance but the man served honorably.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:22 pmWhy not, he stood by silently and let it happen to John Kerry who was actually a hero? A shear act of cowardice if ever there was one. Now he solidly stands behind Bush and a pointless act of an illegal “pre-emptive†war sending young troops to needless death. He’s earned it if anyone has.
Comment by Snowball
Everything you said is true, but it’s still not right.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:23 pmWHO’S PAYING FOR THIS PHOTO OP?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:24 pmHis actual military record seems to be a serial bumble,
June 29th, 2007 at 11:24 pmculminating in capture by the enemy.
Not exactly encouraging.
Only a little better than G. “aWol” Bush.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think McCain’s military record should be attacked.
Comment by Zooey
Agreed. His military record is something he should be proud of. He went through things most could not imagine. But……that brings up another point. He has seen what blanket incarceration and torture does and yet he champions the same thing he vilifies in other speeches. It all depends on the situation and audience for McCain. He has worn out that backbone he once had and turned into a panderer. No matter the time and situation right is right and wrong is wrong. He chooses to scramble those words dependent on the crowd.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:24 pmYawn* Concern trolls.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmEverything you said is true, but it’s still not right.
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Zooey, this is how you do it:
Typical Islamo-Stalinist.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmSorry Z but I gotta go with Snowball on that one. McCain jumped on the cruise with the SwiftBoaters, and reversed course on his stance on the occupation for a nomination. He gets whatever the angry public want to throw. Should be tomatoes and bricks.
Comment by willyloman
Throw your bricks and tomatoes for what McCain is doing NOW, not for what he did in the military.
Why are you wanting to act in as ugly a manner as the Swift Boaters?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmYeah, but they didn’t come back comparing the situation to a farmer’s market in Indiana or brag about buying a rug for $5.
Irrelevant. The post I responded to decried the cost of security as if dems werent offered the same service which also hit the taxpayers.
Some might attack Pelosi for shopping in downtown Damascus after meeting with the dictator Assad.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:25 pmSnowball is correct on 19 but attacks should be placed in their rightful and strategic places. McCain’s prior service seems to be neither of these
June 29th, 2007 at 11:26 pmWill he stay there this time and not come back?!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:27 pmI used to have a lot of respect for John McCain. Deservedly so.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:27 pmI don’t any more. Nor do I trust his motives. It is like he sold his soul and his integrity, almost like he went into a hock shop and traded in his medals and his accomplishments for cash. And for what.. I have no respect for the things he is doing or saying at this point. There are too many lives at stake, and the future of this country.
Yawn* Concern trolls.
Comment by Snowball
Am I right to assume you’re directing that at me?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:27 pmSorry Z but I gotta go with Snowball on that one. McCain jumped on the cruise with the SwiftBoaters, and reversed course on his stance on the occupation for a nomination. He gets whatever the angry public want to throw. Should be tomatoes and bricks.
Comment by willyloman — June 29, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
Wow. Tomatoes and bricks.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:28 pmTypical Islamo-Stalinist who wants to be an Islamo-Fascist.
Typical Islamo-Stalinist.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 29, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
You can act as stupid as you want, Mr P. I’m not getting into it.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pmQuestion:
What else is going on that this event will distract Media Attention?
Or, even more perverse, is McCain to be martyred to Bush’s “noble cause?”
Why are they announcing it ahead of time? I mean, think about it. McCain is a high interest target for anyone resisting the US occupation of Iraq.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pmMcCain is going to go to Baghdad to try to prove it’s safe, so this time he plans to strip buck naked and run down one street with no military protection. Iraqis will be so shocked that they will forget to shoot him.
Plus he wants to buy more of those cheap rugs, but nobody told him that market was blown to bits and the rug merchant murdered.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pmService to one’s country is noble in a noble cause. Blanket admiration for service irrigardless of the factual accounting of that service does not support the troops. it demeans the those who have served honorably by lumping them in with those that did not.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:30 pmAm I right to assume you’re directing that at me?
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
If the shoe fits…
June 29th, 2007 at 11:30 pmComment by willyloman
Comment by Snowball
Maybe you Islamo-Lovers will get really lucky and some MuslimShiteater ™ will saw off his head!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:31 pmIf the shoe fits…
Comment by Snowball
Suit yourself.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pmIrrelevant. The post I responded to decried the cost of security as if dems werent offered the same service which also hit the taxpayers.
Some might attack Pelosi for shopping in downtown Damascus after meeting with the dictator Assad.
Comment by Godzirra
Not irrelevant. The Repub go to Iraq and lie thru their teeth. McCain is basically going as a campaign stop. Did Pelosi go shopping in Damascus? If you have proof, provide it. Otherwise stop making false analogies.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pmSome might attack Pelosi for shopping in downtown Damascus after meeting with the dictator Assad.
Comment by Godzirra
When did the US invade and occupy Syria? Wow..must have snoozed on that one. If we did do that then maybe your statement would make sense.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pmHis actual military record seems to be a serial bumble,
culminating in capture by the enemy.
Tell you what, you eject from a jet after its hit by an AA missile, land on the ground and break both arms and a leg. After capture, you are beat up and stabbed with a bayonet before being transferred to the most notorious of Vietnamese prisons.
Then spend five and a half years in that prison getting your ass kicked on an almost daily basis until youre crippled to the point that you are unable to raise your arms above your head.
Lets see how far you would make it. The man suffered more than you can imagine. Go after him for his political stance if you like but going after his military record is pure hate.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:33 pmThrow your bricks and tomatoes for what McCain is doing NOW, not for what he did in the military.
Why are you wanting to act in as ugly a manner as the Swift Boaters?
Look, I agree with you. What he did then should have nothing to do with what is going on now.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:33 pmBut this is the fight we are in, and if that is the way the Repugs want it, we had better wake up and expose what we have to before we have another Kerry turn the other check situation.
Am I right to assume you’re directing that at me?
Comment by Zooey — June 29, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
If the shoe fits…
Comment by Snowball — June 29, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
you must acquit
June 29th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI don’t think anyone would question what McCain went through while fighting for his country. Nobody should ever go through that, and he did it with honor and dignity. He earned the respect of America.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmIt is what he is doing NOW that is in question. What he went through in the past does not give him a free pass NOW.
But this is the fight we are in, and if that is the way the Repugs want it, we had better wake up and expose what we have to before we have another Kerry turn the other check situation.
Comment by willyloman
I agree! Shred him for what he’s doing NOW.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmThere’s enough insanity there to take him down 3 or 4 times.
Typical Islamo-Stalinist.
Comment by Mr. President ®
Oops! Someone left the door ajar and one of those gosh-darned pesky
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmChristo-Hitlerists slithered in. Someone call the extermintors, quick…
Comment by Godzirra — June 29, 2007
That was the most touching account of McCain’s heroism that I have ever heard through someone that has read his book. Thanks.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWhen did the US invade and occupy Syria? Wow..must have snoozed on that one. If we did do that then maybe your statement would make sense.
Are you able to understand context? I said some might attack Pelosi for shopping around in the capital of a country that has a dictator as its leader in the same way they attack McCain for visiting Baghdad as if everything there is fine.
Baghdad is a mess and McCain is strolling around, Syria is cranium-deep in all sorts of murderous actions and Pelosi went jewelry shopping.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pmMaybe you Islamo-Lovers will get really lucky and some MuslimShiteater â„¢ will saw off his head!!!
Comment by Mr. President
are you stealing fro Ann Coulter’s new book?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pm“MuslimShiteater”
What is this supposed to mean? Should children not be in bed by now? Well at least in most of the time zones in the states?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pmyou must acquit
Comment by dbadass
Heh. Yesterday I was a “murderer,” and today I’m a frickin “concern troll,” whatever that is.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:38 pmFrag.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:39 pmMuslimShiteater â„¢ will saw off his head!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Awww, and who says “MuslimShiteaterâ„¢” isn’t an ethnic/religious slur?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:39 pm#9,
SNAP!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:39 pmNobody is attacking McCain for his horrible experience as a POW in Vietnam. He has sold his soul to the Bush Regime, so that is why he deserves to be kicked to the curb now.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:40 pmSorry, but in my opinion, what McCain and others went through in Vietnamese prisons, although awful and probably inhumane, is nothing compared to what we did to the Vietnamese people then, or the Iraqis now.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:42 pmBaghdad is a mess and McCain is strolling around, Syria is cranium-deep in all sorts of murderous actions and Pelosi went jewelry shopping.
Comment by Godzirra
Pelosi didn’t go to use the country as a campaign stop or lie about the situation there. Again, a false analogy. Try making sense this time.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:42 pmWe have strayed from the topic of the thread…
I believe it was fashion. Who’s flak jacket will John be sporting this summer in his trip down the “Iraq Credibility Runway”?
I say DKNY has a ring of irony to it.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:43 pmFine, kick McCain all you want, Im no fan of the guy; he is pandering as badly as the rest of the nominees and likes the camera even more than Edwards.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:43 pmSyria is cranium-deep in all sorts of murderous actions and Pelosi went jewelry shopping.
Comment by Godzirra
Hmm. Can you define murderous actions? Murder means death of the innocent and the US, Russia, China, Israel, Egypt, Ukraine, etc, seem to be on that path and yet the jewelry stores in each of those countries seem to be quite prosperous. Oh…so its Pelosi’s fault. Got it. Let’s try and tie that together to Condi’s shoe shopping later on.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:44 pmDoesn’t he have enough carpets?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI like it when they make the candidates raise their hands. McCain gets all pissed off. Did they stop doing that yet? Cus it’s pretty stupid.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:45 pm“Fine, kick McCain all you want, Im no fan of the guy; he is pandering as badly as the rest of the nominees and likes the camera even more than Edwards”
Ok, we will. We didn’t exactly need your affirmative on that.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:45 pmHa-Ha. Desperately seeking validation.
If he looks like toast, and smells like toast, and is crumby like toast….why he must be toast.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:46 pmdlet, I would like to see him define jewelry shopping as well.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:46 pmDoesn’t he have enough carpets?
Comment by JPark — June 29, 2007
The carpet is very important. Ties the whole ensamble together.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:46 pmOk, we will. We didn’t exactly need your affirmative on that.
Realized from the beginning of this thread. Im just defending the man’s service which was maligned.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:47 pmMcCain’s shopping trips to Iraq cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. He has to have special protection while he is there, which takes away from protecting troops on missions. His trip last time resulted in the market he and Lindsey Graham visited being blown up and most of the merchants were murdered by insurgents.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:47 pmMcCain is a serial liar now, why should we believe anything in his book or that he even wrote it himself?
June 29th, 2007 at 11:48 pmdlet, I would like to see him define jewelry shopping as well.
Comment by JPark — June 29, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
Me thinks it involves a pearl necklace
June 29th, 2007 at 11:51 pmGodzirra, who maligned his service? He has maligned his own service by becoming a Bushbot.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:52 pmMcCain got dissed by the press on his last trip for wearing that flack jacket, so my bet is he will wear special kevlar vest under his shirt to try to prove to the press that he is wearing no protective gear.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:52 pmdbadass, I will never think of a pearl necklace as hot again (you have just limited my sexual repertoire!!). Thanks!!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 11:53 pmdbadass, I will never think of a pearl necklace as hot again (you have just limited my sexual repertoire!!). Thanks!!!!
Comment by JPark
You’ll just have to settle for giant Wilma Flintstone “pearls.”
That’s hot.
Heh.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:55 pmMe thinks it involves a pearl necklace
Comment by dbadass
Sad thing is they have nothing to say. Just blanket “you are wrong” pieces disguised as different comments. They are all the same. No input or sensible critique. Just “blah…blah…..blah.”
June 29th, 2007 at 11:56 pmHmm. Can you define murderous actions?
The leader of the country is a dictator who inherited power from his dictator father. The U.N. is currently investigating Syria’s role in the death of several Lebanese reformist politicians who were blown to bits by car bombs. Until recently, Syria was enjoying a thirty-year occupation of Lebanon. Syria is a state-sponsor of such groups as Hamas and Hebzollah. Assad the Elder once besieged one of his own cities to quell an uprising that resulted in the deaths of 30,000 people.
Clear it up a bit?
Oh…so its Pelosi’s fault. Got it. Let’s try and tie that together to Condi’s shoe shopping later on.
Sigh. You REALLY need to go back to the beginning of this side-debate which concerned the cost of security for ALL of our politicians overseas. Then another post was added which basically ignored that and complained that McCain acted as if nothing was wrong in Baghdad.
The same COULD be said for Pelosi strolling through Damascus as if Syria werent the bad apple that everyone knows it to be, as if there is nothing wrong.
You seem to be arguing just to argue with no end in sight.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:57 pmMost of the time when a politician claims to walk a street in Baghdad, it actually turns out to be one in the Green Zone. My bet is Bush has ordered the military to secure a few blocks of Baghdad, so McCain can stroll one street outside the Green Zone to claim it is safe. Press will not see him with 100 troops around him like last time. Which means this is a PR stunt only to fool the press.
June 29th, 2007 at 11:57 pm#76 Comment by Jay Randal — June 29, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
I was thinking the same only he would have the press limited to just head shots from below. We’ll see what the plan is but for sure the “free press” will be limited and they will accept it just to get the shot for the nightly.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:00 amAssad the Elder once besieged one of his own cities to quell an uprising that resulted in the deaths of 30,000 people. Godzirra
And Cheney the NeoCon once (then again and again and again) lied to his own people to quell a soveriegn nation for oil rights and over 200,000 people died.
and in the meantime handed over reconstruction contracts to Halliburton after Katrina.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:02 amSorry, but in my opinion, what McCain and others went through in Vietnamese prisons, although awful and probably inhumane, is nothing compared to what we did to the Vietnamese people then, or the Iraqis now.
Comment by Snowball — June 29, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Not suprising. Considering the following terms apply to you.
Islamo-Stalinism: synthesis of the most retarded aspects of the Islam-loving Left and Stalinism.
Islamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:05 amAlso know as a Dhimmi.
Definitions by PRIMVS INTER PARES, The Joker
Oh, Zooey, you don’t realize how hot “pearl necklace” and “Wilma Flintstone” actually is!!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:06 amWhoa, I came here for a bit of exchange but I see its going nowhere. I dont understand why McCain’s war record is ridiculed or dismissed, now you equate Cheney with Hafez Assad?
You do realize that the comments are starting to sway into territory normally reserved for sites whose posters spend a lot of time slurring one another?
Halliburton has been doing reconstruction work all over the world for quite a while, including in Serbia/Kosovo after receiving a no-bid contract from President Clinton.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:07 amComment by Godzirra — June 29, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
First Syria. Do you really think I couldn’t take fifteen minutes and write a short summary of the ills the US has done over the past ten years in five sentences and make it sound as bad as you did with Syria?
As far as Condi is concerned, Pelosi was in Syria when there was no threat to the US and Rice was talking to shoe mongers during the most heightened security level in the US was going on.
But hey I agree there is no end in sight to my arguing as long as people like Condi, bushie, etc are making important decisions in my name.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:07 amMr. President, I am very disappointed. You just used the term Islamo-Stalinist? Are you kidding? If not, I have more to say.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:08 amOh, Zooey, you don’t realize how hot “pearl necklace†and “Wilma Flintstone†actually is!!
Comment by JPark
I guess I’d have to be a dude to understand. :D
June 30th, 2007 at 12:08 amSyria is a state-sponsor of such groups as
We have supported dictators and tyrants in Chile and Iraq and Iran and East Timor and Egypt and South America (pick a country) and the Phillipeans and Haiti and China and Italy ….
clear that up a bit for you?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:08 amGodzirra, we reserve slurs to those that enjoy spouting right wing talking points. You will fit right in.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:09 amZooey, actually I am a Betty Rubble man. I never got Wilma.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:09 amTell you what, you eject from a jet after its hit by an AA missile, land on the ground and break both arms and a leg. After capture, you are beat up and stabbed with a bayonet before being transferred to the most notorious of Vietnamese prisons.
Then spend five and a half years in that prison getting your ass kicked on an almost daily basis until youre crippled to the point that you are unable to raise your arms above your head.
Lets see how far you would make it. The man suffered more than you can imagine. Go after him for his political stance if you like but going after his military record is pure hate.
Comment by Godzirra — June 29, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Tell you what, when someone invades your country, bombs your family, friends and entire community from the relative anonyminity and saftey of a jet to smitherines, see how you feel like treating once you get your hands on them. Get back to me after that happens OK?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:09 amdlet > this trip of McCain to Iraq is being planned out by Karl Rove. It is a photo-op scam, so the press will take quick pics of him in his blue work shirt walking along a street and chatting with a pre-selected Iraqi guy or gal. Soldiers will be out of view on the rooftops. No helicopter overhead, because that looked bad last time. After the press does their pics, then McCain will vanish into a secured building and whisked away out the back in a armored vehicle.
Remember when Rove did the staged photo-op in Jackson Square, in New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina flooded the city. He had a few blocks around the Catholic church cleaned up and electric generators trucked in. Bush gave his speech to the nation, then he was whisked away. The generators were put back on the trucks and the place reverted back the way it was before.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:10 amComment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:08 am
I’m not kidding at all.
Snowball made the following comment:
Maybe we’ll all get lucky and McCain will surrender himself to some Iraqi peasant like he did to that rice farmer in Vietnam all those years ago.
Comment by Snowball — June 29, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
And then called Zooey a “concern troll.”
The guy is a paragon of Islamo-Stalinism
June 30th, 2007 at 12:11 amZooey, actually I am a Betty Rubble man. I never got Wilma.
Comment by JPark
Wilma looks like she could run pretty fast….
June 30th, 2007 at 12:11 amwilly, isn’t that funny? We supported Iraq’s chemical fueled war against Iran…we supported the mujahadine (bad spelling) Afghanis against the Russians and we support the terrorist group inside Iran (I forget it’s name, I am sure someone can tell me) and we are harboring a loser that blew up a plane that carried the Cuban fencing team.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:12 amand now… for your entertainment pleasure…
Godzzira is going to continue defending Halliburtons role in Iraq.
and at the intermission, we have a nice Wilma Flinstone video where she washes the pearl necklass in the sink.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amWilma looks like she could run pretty fast….
Comment by Zooey
….past the same window thirty times….
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amTell you what, when someone invades your country, bombs your family, friends and entire community from the relative anonyminity and saftey of a jet to smitherines, see how you feel like treating once you get your hands on them. Get back to me after that happens OK?
Comment by Snowball
Who are you talking about? There were no Iraqi hijackers on those airplanes on 9/11.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amOk, Mr. President, I am with you. Sorry that I just assume you are wrong :)
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 amOk, Mr. President, I am with you. Sorry that I just assume you are wrong :)
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:13 am
That’s understandable. :D
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 am“Tell you what, when someone invades your country, bombs your family, friends and entire community from the relative anonyminity and saftey of a jet to smitherines, see how you feel like treating once you get your hands on them. Get back to me after that happens OK?”
Are you f^cking kidding me? That happens to Iraqis every day. As soon as that happens to you, you just let me know.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 amAnd then called Zooey a “concern troll.â€
The guy is a paragon of Islamo-Stalinism
Comment by Mr. President ®
Thanks Mr P, but please don’t associate my name with that idiotic term.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 amFirst Syria. Do you really think I couldn’t take fifteen minutes and write a short summary of the ills the US has done over the past ten years in five sentences and make it sound as bad as you did with Syria?
Im sure you could, but again that would be irrelevant when all you need to do is study one line from that paragraph: “The U.N. is currently investigating Syria’s role in the death of several Lebanese reformist politicians who were blown to bits by car bombs.”
If the U.N. can somehow raise its monolithic head to investigate such a claim, you can be sure it fits in the category of ‘murderous’. After all, the U.N. has notable human rights violators as members of its human rights commission. You wanted the context of murderous so you got it, the rest of this exchange is superfluous.
This entire debate is however a digression. The original complaint that the money spent on McCain’s security is business as usual only for Republicans is false; both sides receive it.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 amLOL. you are so disarming Mr. Pres.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 am#93,
Remember the only truism that I know of that is attributed to a.hitler - “History is written by the victor”.
In the case of Vietnam, though, we were not victorious (as all evil quests eventually fail), but in that case we just have bigger printing presses and better PR people. Especially as memory fades into nostalgia.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:16 amZooey, actually I am a Betty Rubble man. I never got Wilma.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:09 am
No disrespect intended but are you cracked? Betty and Wilma are best enjoyed as a single package. This is no Ginger vs Maryann, Betty vs Veronica, or Daphne vs Themla type thing. Wilma and Betty are the same as Fuji and Tanaka.
BTW: I don’t think you ever got Betty either
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amJPark, don’t forget the latest in the installments of “When Planning Attacks” We spend 18 billion to equip and train Iraqi police and find a great deal of them later fighting US Soldiers as Insurgants (sp). Still clutching the weapons we gave them. We are equiping the terrorists! We should invade ourselves and teach us a lesson that we will not tolerate…us.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amAww, Christ, Godzirra. Why do you come here? Do you just come back from listening to the Limbaugh recording?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amComment by Jay Randal — June 30, 2007 @ 12:10 am
No doubt there is something up since it is heard of before it happens. Either McCain is desperately hungry for a bump in the polls to risk his life or there is another motive. I am not that demented to think of one but there might be another. Maybe they will “fake” a missle shot and say that McCain is super hero status..blah..blah.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 amGodzirra, we reserve slurs to those that enjoy spouting right wing talking points. You will fit right in.
As Im discovering. It gets old quick.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:18 amAre you f^cking kidding me? That happens to Iraqis every day.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Exactly my point. Did you misread?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:18 amOh goodie, I can hardly wait for him to tell us how great things are in Iraq. I am puzzled as to what he thinks he is going to accomplish by going there again. Is he supposed to gain macho points for being brave enough to go to Iraq?
The last gasp of a desperate man who knows he has lost. A sorry sight indeed.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:20 am“No disrespect intended but are you cracked? Betty and Wilma are best enjoyed as a single package. This is no Ginger vs Maryann, Betty vs Veronica, or Daphne vs Themla type thing. Wilma and Betty are the same as Fuji and Tanaka.”
dbass, I have been married and Wilma is the epitome of the wife. In other words she wants to devour you (not in a good way) and wants to earn herself some life insurance!!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:20 am“The U.N. is currently investigating Syria’s role in the death of several Lebanese reformist politicians who were blown to bits by car bombs.â€
So they are guilty in your eyes since they are being investigated. Looky here. Must be nice to have veto power…unlike Syria.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amLOL. you are so disarming Mr. Pres.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:15 am
Talking about McCain with a pearl necklace is one thing.
But hoping that he is taken prisoner by the Iraqis?
I honestly don’t know what was going through Snowball’s mind.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amSnowball, I apologize, I must have read incorrectly.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amKarl Rove’s best photo-op scam was Bush supposedly visiting a food distribution stand in Miss. state after Katrina hit. The stand was trucked in and food and water stacked inside. For a nice touch a basket of bananas was on the counter. Some people were there for show and then Bush met a woman and her daughter who actually were paid actresses to act as storm victims. After the press took the pics, the food stand was put back on the truck and taken away. Only reason we found out is because a German press group hid in the bushes and watched as the stand was packed up and hauled off.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 amI am puzzled as to what he thinks he is going to accomplish by going there again. kate
Someone told him AEI moved their offices there. He’s a little gullable.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:23 amMr. Pres. I agreed but now I think that was sarcasm. We will see.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:23 amActually, I am not sure there is anything worse than McCain with a pearl necklace :)
June 30th, 2007 at 12:24 amdbass, I have been married and Wilma is the epitome of the wife. In other words she wants to devour you (not in a good way) and wants to earn herself some life insurance!!
Comment by JPark
Hey! That’s just not right!
I never thought of trying to get his life insurance…..
June 30th, 2007 at 12:24 amTell you what, when someone invades your country, bombs your family, friends and entire community from the relative anonyminity and saftey of a jet to smitherines, see how you feel like treating once you get your hands on them. Get back to me after that happens OK?
Again, irrelevant. Regardless of the foreign policy that McCain found himself serving as a member of the military, his experience being shot down and then as a POW are not up for debate. He did break limbs after ejection, he was tortured, he was beat up and he was imprisoned.
Whether the punishment he received was because he bombed the Vietnamese or just because his tormentors didnt like his face or his voice or whatever has nothing to do with the experience itself.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amdbass, I have been married and Wilma is the epitome of the wife. In other words she wants to devour you (not in a good way) and wants to earn herself some life insurance!!
Then you must see that Betty is just the Yang to Wilma’s Yin. Betty is just trying to set you up for the fall that Wilma cashes in on. Thta’s why she plays the sultry card. It’s good cop/bad cop.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amActually, I am not sure there is anything worse than McCain with a pearl necklace :)
Comment by JPark
McCain with onion ring breath.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amSnowball, I apologize, I must have read incorrectly.
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:21 am
NP, I think you read Godzirra’s post above mine which I quoted and linked them together.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amcheny with a speculum? practicing his love on women all across this country?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 amActually, I am not sure there is anything worse than McCain with a pearl necklace :)
Comment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 12:24 am
The pic suggests he may have the bosom for it.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:27 amDr. Dick Cheney, OBGYN
June 30th, 2007 at 12:28 amCNN & FOX news will cover McCain’s trip to Baghdad on Monday, so be prepared for the scam to unfold.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:29 amAnd I actually agree that attacking someone’s service is a bit beyond the pale. It’s just that I’m so furious at the man. I believe I have good reason to be. I’m just an anonymous poster like the rest of you, not an opinion maker on the national stage. We’re allowed to vent.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:29 amActually, I am not sure there is anything worse than McCain with a pearl necklace :)
Comment by JPark
McCain with onion ring breath.
Comment by Zooey — June 30, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Worse worse worse!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:30 amMcCain with onion ring breath.
Comment by Zooey — June 30, 2007 @ 12:25 am
Worse worse worse!!!
Comment by dbadass
Don’t worry. He wouldn’t stoop so low.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:31 amSnowball just concentrate on McCain’s actions now. Talking about his past just gives McCain supporters a way to defend him.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:31 amWe’re allowed to vent.
Comment by Snowball
Absolutely.
Can I stop being a concern troll now? ;)
June 30th, 2007 at 12:31 amSo they are guilty in your eyes since they are being investigated.
Whatever, this line has obviously reached its terminus. If you want to defend Syria Im not going to waste my time. Only the most naive or uninformed would believe a country led by a dynastic dictator needed to have its predilection for “murderous” activities spelled out when both current events and history would suggest it is unnecessary.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:32 amIf McCain’s trip goes badly, or gets exposed as a scam, then it will be the final nail in the coffin in his run for president.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:33 amYes you can being a concern troll now, we have other business to attend to anyway.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:35 amI believe McCains run died the moment the immigration bill reached the floor, his constituents dont trust him anymore and the press is no longer looking to him for the voice of moderation.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:37 amUm, Godzirra, Syria is a not a threat to us. If they have some terrorists the FBI can handle it. Or do you not agree?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 am#124,
I think that there are two valid points that you are missing.
One, with the obvious credibility issue with McCain, that credibilty (or lack thereof) extends to the entire life of the man. We have just as much cause to believe McCain’s service record as we do to believe Bush’s service record. Nobody stole McCain’s credibilty from him, he himself either threw it away or never had it.
Second, it is disingenous to paint the Vietnamese as the evil agressors and the USA as the noble peace-seekers. Of course you didn’t say that, but that is the perspective that your premise is based on. It is also, of course, horrifically false. If you re-read Snowball’s comment with that perspective, you might find yourself gaining some greater understanding.
I hope that helps.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 amSnowball just concentrate on McCain’s actions now. Talking about his past just gives McCain supporters a way to defend him.
Comment by Jay Randal — June 30, 2007 @ 12:31 am
We’re allowed to vent.
Comment by Snowball
Absolutely.
Can I stop being a concern troll now? ;)
Comment by Zooey — June 30, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Oh, OK dammit!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amIf Karl Rove could set-up McCain going into a firefight with US troops against Iraqi insurgents, then John could be portrayed as heroic, but he is NOT brave enough to risk that because he could get killed.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amGodzirra, why do you righties give one sh!t about immigration? You do realize you are going to lose because of that issue, right?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amI feel like going out for a Cheney BBQ with his head on a plate and an apple stuffed into his fatas@ mouth. Anyone want to join me?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amOnly the most naive or uninformed would believe a country led by a dynastic dictator needed to have its predilection for “murderous†activities spelled out when both current events and history would suggest it is unnecessary.
Comment by Godzirra
Are we still talking about Syria? Or the US?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 amI have a new respect for you after that post FTFU (142).
June 30th, 2007 at 12:40 amUm, Godzirra, Syria is a not a threat to us. If they have some terrorists the FBI can handle it. Or do you not agree?
Depends on how you classify “threat”.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:40 amdlet, Godzirra is not stupid but he certainly is an authoritarian follower. If Pee-Wee Herman were our leader he would be…oh, jeez…masturbating a lot?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:42 amIf McCain got shot by a sniper in Baghdad, then the charade would prove that Baghdad is highly unsafe, and no Senators would ever go to Iraq again.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:42 amGodzirra, how are they a threat?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:43 amOh, OK dammit!
Comment by Snowball
Heh. Thanks.
Peace.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:43 amI still won’t accept that McCain is a hero or buy into his self-aggrandizing account of his experience in Vietnam. John Kerry actually risked his life to save someone else and came home and risked his reputation to stop a sensless war. Niether changes my view that Vietnam, like Iraq were and are dishonorable wars.
BTW, I’m no pacifist either. Sometimes you have to fight. The trick is being sensible and just when you pick your fights.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:47 amWho is paying for this McCain rug market research anyway?
BTW I think the Rachel troll is back. The one that thinks I have a nice bookshelf. LMAO.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:47 amI still do not understand why Rove had Bush hold a fake plastic turkey for one Thanksgiving in Iraq. I would have given him a real cooked turkey and then had him carve it for the troops. Rove messed up.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:47 amdlet, Godzirra is not stupid but he certainly is an authoritarian follower.
Comment by JPark
No. He isn’t an idiot. I mean he can at least control a computer. But his arguments seem unthoughtful in a personal manner which makes him, in my opinion, stupid.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:48 amSnowball, my grandfather was a hero. He was shot down during his first flight and spent the war at Stalag 17B. The guy ate freaking watered down blood sausage for the US.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:49 ammccain was and still is a WARMONGER. hopefully he will fade away peacefully into the sunset………………..
June 30th, 2007 at 12:49 amI see where youre coming from FTFU and Im not trying to defend McCain’s credibility; he is a camera-time panderer and an opportunist.
What I am defending is the comment that seemed to malign McCain wayyyyy back on post #9. Multiple sources that dont include his book describe his wartime experience, including from men who were imprisoned with him.
Regardless of the national policy under which he served, on even the most base level of debate, McCain was imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton and that was no cakewalk. Also his injuries and scarring are indisputable, as was his membership in a squadron which suffered the highest loss-level of any squadron in the war.
I wont defend our Vietnam policy or try to whitewash what that policy did to the Vietnamese people, but McCain’ experience is not germane to that policy in the sense of whether his service is a valid target for attack.
Hate him for his politics but his wartime experience and suffering are indisputable.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:50 amNo. He isn’t an idiot. I mean he can at least control a computer. But his arguments seem unthoughtful in a personal manner which makes him, in my opinion, stupid.
Comment by dlet — June 30, 2007 @ 12:48 am
That’s what happens when lazy thinkers let Fox News do their thinking for them.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:50 amdlet, I am torn. Authoritarian followers SEEM stupid to me but it is possible their lives have brought them to a place where they want to give up any control.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:50 amZep > do you actually have people spying on your house? I suppose it could be so, because when I lived in Florida a neighbor behind me put in a strange blacked out window facing my back door. I found out later the guy was taking pictures of me for some unknown reason. Spying is so damn weird.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:51 amI still do not understand why Rove had Bush hold a fake plastic turkey for one Thanksgiving in Iraq -Jay Randal
He may have thought it was a real turkey =)
BTW Badge 52AA whatever I don’t have a bookshelf, I have a computerdesk with no bookshelf on it, thanks for playing!
Bwahhahaa!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:53 am#156,
Very old, yet as valid as ever, PR axiom : Nobody ever reads the retraction (correction).
The only people who know that the turkey was a phony are the people who weren’t the target audience anyway. Oh, and they are the same people that know that the bird was plastic.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:53 amAre we still talking about Syria? Or the US?
Could be the U.S. or China or Russia or Britain, France, Germany etc., it still doesnt detract from the fact that Syria is what it is and as I described it.
Even if the U.S. were what you believe it to be, it wouldnt change the facts about Syria.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:54 am“Irrelevant. The post I responded to decried the cost of security as if dems werent offered the same service which also hit the taxpayers.
Some might attack Pelosi for shopping in downtown Damascus after meeting with the dictator Assad.”
And you wonder why you are thought of as a thoughtless rightwinger? You defend the ridiculous photo ops of McCain and attack Pelosi, despite the fact she did not go shopping in Damascus. The only people claiming that are the right wing losers at worldnutdaily. Nice read, Godzirra.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:55 amAuthoritarian followers SEEM stupid to me but it is possible their lives have brought them to a place where they want to give up any control.
Comment by JPark
I think there is too much introspection going on here. Let’s just agree that their “opinions” are derived through no thought process of their own…just handed to them through whatever media they choose to rely upon and there is no reason to listen to their constant rants about things they have no desire to research.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:56 amdlet, it isn’t introspection. I don’t get it. It is purely speculation on my part. Honestly, I think righties are nothing but a bunch of selfish a$$holes.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:57 amWell Sen. Lindsey Graham is not going to Iraq this time with McCain. He will never live down telling the press he purchased 5 rugs for 5 bucks.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:58 amThat’s what happens when lazy thinkers let Fox News do their thinking for them.
DPark was right, it seems that a reasonable debate which might defend the right ends up being a target for personal attack.
So now Im stupid, is that it? Simply because you dont like the manner in which I present my argument? That in itself is a mere opinion founded on nothing more than dislike of the content.
Is there anyone here who WONT regress to slurring me and is willing to listen and debate a differing point of view?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:59 amHonestly, I think righties are nothing but a bunch of selfish a$$holes.
Comment by JPark
Straight to the point. Love it and agree. They can’t see the internal hate that drives them to hate the world.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:02 am“DPark was right, it seems that a reasonable debate which might defend the right ends up being a target for personal attack.”
How can we have a reasonable debate with a parrot?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:02 amYou defend the ridiculous photo ops of McCain and attack Pelosi, despite the fact she did not go shopping in Damascus. The only people claiming that are the right wing losers at worldnutdaily. Nice read, Godzirra.
Perhaps you need to re-read the posts. Im not defending McCain, he is trying to resurrect his dead campaign by visiting the troops and pretending that Baghdad is not the bloody mess that it is. I merely equated that to Pelosi strolling through Damascus as if that nation were a benign entity and as harmless as Switzerland.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:03 amGodzirra > I have not said one thing against your views on here. You have a right to have your opinion.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:03 amComment by Godzirra — June 30, 2007 @ 1:03 am
What about the Republicans that went with her?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:04 amdlet, I don’t think it is hate. These a$$holes have never met a needy person. Especially one that works every day and makes minimum wage (yes, you righty scumbags, hard working people DO make minimum wage).
June 30th, 2007 at 1:04 am#160,
Valid points as well. I think many people, myself included, feel that McCain’s credibility issue and heinous current activities invalidates any claim to “war hero” that he may have had. Otherwise, that would always be his trump card. I hold nothing but contempt for the man and no amount of medals he holds up or scars he shows me is going to cause me to qualify that contempt or make it conditional. Especially when you consider his position and actions regarding torture, and Abu Ghraib, and Gitmo.
Any claim that McCain may have had to “honor” in regard to his Vietnam service flew out the window and into the stratosphere the moment he started cheerleading for our “new” Vietnam. If anyone should have known better, it was he.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:05 amIs there anyone here who WONT regress to slurring me and is willing to listen and debate a differing point of view?
Comment by Godzirra
All right. I hear you Jaso…I mean Godzirra. If you really would like to debate something on serious level I am up for it. I agree I flamed you a lot but if you really think a discussion can happen I would love it. Topic is open since this one has gone the way it did….my fault included.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:06 amGodzirra, tell me…how is McCain’s trip to Iraq the same as Pelosi in Syria (Pelosi didn’t wear a bulletproof vest).
June 30th, 2007 at 1:06 amNotice that the usual Bush lover trolls are NOT on this thread tonight. Jake, michael, m12, etc. are not on TP tonight > kind of odd.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:07 amStraight to the point. Love it and agree. They can’t see the internal hate that drives them to hate the world.
You guys hearing yourselves? How about this:
-Liberals hate the troops
-Liberals are unpatriotic
-Liberals love to burn the flag
-Liberals arent Christian
-Liberals support terrorism
-Liberals hate their country
You ready to accept the stereotypes that conservative would pin on you were this a right rather than a left-leaning site?
You dont seem to have much room for debate that might question what you think and you continue to deride everything I say. Youre sounding awfully alike, sort of parrotish in a way, wouldnt you say, snowball?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:08 amZep > do you actually have people spying on your house? I suppose it could be so, because when I lived in Florida a neighbor behind me put in a strange blacked out window facing my back door. I found out later the guy was taking pictures of me for some unknown reason. Spying is so damn weird. Comment by Jay Randal
Like Rachel they just try to guess alot and see if they can get a rise out of people to make it seem like they know something they don’t.
A telephone, even though its on a hook (capiaitor across wires) can be used as a listening device, or (call bouncing cna be used) As well it’s all to easy to put a fm transmitter on the phone line outside the house. And as well I am on this watch list because of the guy I worked with at one time. Plus I have neighbors that work for ATT and MCI, the DPS. They like to listen (Big Ear devices) to what I say then try to freak me out by leaving things laying around where I walk the dog. It’s gotten to be a game. Why people do this? I dunno why do people put cameras in their shoes and get upskirt shots? Gay Voyeurs maybe?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:08 amComment by JPark — June 30, 2007 @ 1:06 am
If “someone” says she wore a bulletproof head scarf then there really is an idiot here.
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June 30th, 2007 at 1:09 amGodzirra > we all believe that McCain is a showboater, but I also think Hillary Clinton is a showboater too.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:11 amLiberals hate the troops
-Liberals are unpatriotic
-Liberals love to burn the flag
-Liberals arent Christian
-Liberals support terrorism
-Liberals hate their country
I see hate in two of the six things you posted. Not really a strong argument. If you really want to get into it I said their “hate” is internal. The troops and my country are external things so again what is the point exactly?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:12 amGodzirra, you do realize you just went from actually discussing issues to going with Limbaughisms, right?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:13 amDid a couple of strange posts pop-up on here and then vanish?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:13 amOh good - another Dog and Pony Show! Gee how many resources will he use use up, and waste this time around?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:14 ambut I also think Hillary Clinton is a showboater too.
Comment by Jay Randal
Showboater and grandstander. She loves to hear people clap for her. She would be the type of politician that would limit the people into an event just so it seemed like everyone agreed with her….. like Bush does.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:14 amWhat about the Republicans that went with her?
Same goes for them, in my mind at least. But as you guys are doing with McCain, a rightwing site is only going to grab onto Pelosi for condemnation while ignoring McCain. Thats how these things seem to work, sadly. Then of course you decide to ridicule and slander me as stupid, a parrot, whatever just as you would be on a right-wing site.
As I stated very early in this thread, that type of thing gets old quick. This could be a great site for some really good debates which seem to be harder and harder to find these days. But if the predominant political stance of this site, which seems to lean dem, starts a practice of ridiculing and demeaning everything a conservative says, people will stop showing up. I know I will, though Im sure some of you will tell me how you could care less.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:15 amI respect the troops
June 30th, 2007 at 1:15 amI love the US when it does the right thing
I have never burned any flag
Nope, I am not Christian
I supported terrorism when it was Patrick Henry.
I hate my government, not my country.
Comment by Godzirra — June 30, 2007 @ 1:08 am
You haven’t answered my question. What about the Republicans who went with Pelosi on that same diplomatic trip to Syria? Why don’t you criticize them as well. They were there for the same reason. I guess they left that out of the reporting on Fox News. That’s right, they did. The trip was also hailed by the Isrealis who have more to fear from Damascus than we do. They didn’t tell you that on Fox either.
We talked to the Soviet Union all through the Cold War, Why not Iran and Syria now? It’s called diplomacy, that’s what mature statesmen do.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:17 amSame goes for them, in my mind at least. But as you guys are doing with McCain, a rightwing site is only going to grab onto Pelosi for condemnation while ignoring McCain.
No. I don’t think thee was anything wrong with Pelosi or the Republicans going so I won’t slander either political side on the matter. They both were trying to make a situation better by talking and I applaud anyone who does it. The party affiliation doesn’t matter.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:17 amdlet > Hillary Clinton was raised as a conservative Republican. She claims she became a Democrat when she married Bill, but she still acts like a GOPer in many ways. I do not believe she would be a good president to replace Bush.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:17 amGodzirra, you do realize you just went from actually discussing issues to going with Limbaughisms, right?
Call them what you will, they exist out there and I would presume you would defend yourself if pinned on your chest?
You declared me an open target because of what I believe and proceeded to agree that Im “not an idiot, just stupid” which contributes what exactly?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:18 am-Liberals hate the troops
Conservatives are responsible for Walter Reed.
-Liberals are unpatriotic
Conservatives have made the US a joke.
-Liberals love to burn the flag
Flag? Well, sh!t, let’s make the flag worthless (conservatives have).
-Liberals arent Christian
Most of the founding fathers weren’t.
-Liberals support terrorism
Duh
-Liberals hate their country
Duh
June 30th, 2007 at 1:19 am“The same security was provided for Obama and Hillary when they visited Iraq and I doubt they paid for it either. Does that sound presidential Repub or Dem style to you?
Comment by Godzirra”
But clinton and obama don’t come back after such an experience and proclaim that progress is being made.
The guy’s delusional