Comments on: Pace: Success In Iraq Based On Whether Iraqis ‘Feel Better Today Than They Did Yesterday’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:12:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Robt http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3898885 Robt Sun, 01 Jul 2007 06:01:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3898885 So OK, His question to point of situation in Iraq's progress is that, " if you ask the Iraqi people if they think today they are safe and the future looks better ". Then why is it so hard to hear the American people when asked, " how is the occupation going ", it is not even considered.?? American people occupying Iraq are trumped by those they occupy? Or maybe, just maybe certain American leaders in positions of power are trying very hard to be a leader without listening to those they lead. Many CEO's are like this. You know the type. The CEO that is always sending down those blank memos to be adhered to. So OK,
His question to point of situation in Iraq’s progress is that, ” if you ask the Iraqi people if they think today they are safe and the future looks better “.

Then why is it so hard to hear the American people when asked,
” how is the occupation going “, it is not even considered.??

American people occupying Iraq are trumped by those they occupy?

Or maybe, just maybe certain American leaders in positions of power are trying very hard to be a leader without listening to those they lead.
Many CEO’s are like this. You know the type. The CEO that is always sending down those blank memos to be adhered to.

]]> By: Barry http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3897912 Barry Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:22:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3897912 The enemy has already responded to pace's new metric, all Iraqi nationals are under direct order to frown. Seriously, I think I am starting to get this. The enemy says they are fighting to get us out of Iraq, but that is really a cover, they (not bush/cheney) want us to stay in Iraq to help train and arm them like we did for for alqueada. Cheney/bush want us out of Iraq immediatley, but they don't want the enemy to know it because that would give them a clear advantage. So we will continue to do exactly the opposite of what we want to eventually meet our objective. Once the freedomfighters are fully trained, then and only then can we leave. They will be so happy for our support, they would never think of attacking us in the future when they realize we took their....... The enemy has already responded to pace’s new metric, all Iraqi nationals are under direct order to frown.

Seriously, I think I am starting to get this. The enemy says they are fighting to get us out of Iraq, but that is really a cover, they (not bush/cheney) want us to stay in Iraq to help train and arm them like we did for for alqueada. Cheney/bush want us out of Iraq immediatley, but they don’t want the enemy to know it because that would give them a clear advantage. So we will continue to do exactly the opposite of what we want to eventually meet our objective. Once the freedomfighters are fully trained, then and only then can we leave. They will be so happy for our support, they would never think of attacking us in the future when they realize we took their…….

]]> By: Barry http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3897861 Barry Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:51:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3897861 The beauty of pace's argument is that he can change the metric every week for the next ten years, keeping us in the perpetual meat grinder long enough for our corporate whores to fully capitalize on their misfortune. The beauty of pace’s argument is that he can change the metric every week for the next ten years, keeping us in the perpetual meat grinder long enough for our corporate whores to fully capitalize on their misfortune.

]]> By: Barry http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3897847 Barry Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:39:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3897847 26% of Iraqis from the 2005 poll are no longer available for comment, but we marked them as having a better life due to all the virgins etc. 26% of Iraqis from the 2005 poll are no longer available for comment, but we marked them as having a better life due to all the virgins etc.

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3896789 Gregor Samsa Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:16:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3896789 I cannot come up with any unit of measure that would show the US is succeeding in Iraq -without ignoring reality, that is. Unless I define success as the destruction of that country's infrastructure and murder of its people. If that's the case, Iraq is an undeniable success. I cannot come up with any unit of measure that would show the US is succeeding in Iraq -without ignoring reality, that is.

Unless I define success as the destruction of that country’s infrastructure and murder of its people. If that’s the case, Iraq is an undeniable success.

]]> By: curmudgeon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3896735 curmudgeon Sat, 30 Jun 2007 05:26:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3896735 Since we are told that the United States is in Iraq to promote democracy for their people, why don’t we support the scheduling of another nationwide vote? The United States would need to pledge to the world community to abide by the outcome. The U. S. government could provide the funding for this vote (on paper ballots that could be re-counted, if necessary). A truly independent international organization could carry out the election, along with tabulating and reporting the results. There would be one question on the ballot — Should the United States remain in Iraq or leave? If our government is truly supporting self-determination for the Iraqi people they should have no misgivings about abiding by their wishes. Why isn’t someone in Washington, D.C. placing pressure on elected officials to promote such an initiative? Since we are told that the United States is in Iraq to promote democracy for their people, why don’t we support the scheduling of another nationwide vote? The United States would need to pledge to the world community to abide by the outcome. The U. S. government could provide the funding for this vote (on paper ballots that could be re-counted, if necessary). A truly independent international organization could carry out the election, along with tabulating and reporting the results. There would be one question on the ballot — Should the United States remain in Iraq or leave? If our government is truly supporting self-determination for the Iraqi people they should have no misgivings about abiding by their wishes. Why isn’t someone in Washington, D.C. placing pressure on elected officials to promote such an initiative?

]]> By: Eargy Earp http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3896308 Eargy Earp Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:48:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3896308 BUt in the happier news in the war on terror: Afghanistan Opium sales are up!!!! At least there is something that may buoy the economy there and provide some modicum of stability. How's Iraqi oil doing lately? BUt in the happier news in the war on terror: Afghanistan Opium sales are up!!!!

At least there is something that may buoy the economy there and provide some modicum of stability.

How’s Iraqi oil doing lately?

]]> By: EArgy Earp http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3896301 EArgy Earp Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:45:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3896301 Translation: "Success is based on what I say it is, not by any other tangible measurement!" Lugar, Hagel, Voinovich.....and counting. At least some pay attention to the situation on the ground, but not this guy. Translation: “Success is based on what I say it is, not by any other tangible measurement!”

Lugar, Hagel, Voinovich…..and counting. At least some pay attention to the situation on the ground, but not this guy.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3896244 Zooey Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:55:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3896244 This may have already been said but, here goes: Pace is a f*cking idiot!! This may have already been said but, here goes:

Pace is a f*cking idiot!!

]]> By: FunMe http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3896241 FunMe Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:53:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3896241 Morons ... the whole bunch are Morons! We are the laughiing stock of the world because of people like Pace. bush and cheney and rove ... they brought mediocracy into this country. I can't wait until the revolution starts! Morons … the whole bunch are Morons!

We are the laughiing stock of the world because of people like Pace.

bush and cheney and rove … they brought mediocracy into this country.

I can’t wait until the revolution starts!

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3896024 Badger Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:17:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3896024 He called the measuring the level of violence in Iraq a “self-defeating approach to tracking results" Translation: The violence is continuing to INCREASE, and our $400 Billion a year Military can't DO anything to stop it. He called the measuring the level of violence in Iraq a “self-defeating approach to tracking results”

Translation: The violence is continuing to INCREASE, and our $400 Billion a year Military can’t DO anything to stop it.

]]> By: War4Sale http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895968 War4Sale Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:55:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895968 Gee...why don't we ask the millions of Iraqi refugees fleeing for their lives if they feel better today! Gee…why don’t we ask the millions of Iraqi refugees fleeing for their lives if they feel better today!

]]> By: S. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895858 S. Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:17:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895858 No wonder we're losing. General Pace has his head up his ass. No wonder we’re losing.

General Pace has his head up his ass.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895827 ForTruth Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:08:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895827 I honestly don't know what "Progressive" means. Its been twisted, contorted and turned to who knows what. I don't like labels and try to avoid using them. Of course labels have great importance, but in politics, I try not to label myself. I don't like politicians or any of the political parties. I really am registered as "other", and I don't even know what that is. I honestly don’t know what “Progressive” means. Its been twisted, contorted and turned to who knows what. I don’t like labels and try to avoid using them. Of course labels have great importance, but in politics, I try not to label myself. I don’t like politicians or any of the political parties.

I really am registered as “other”, and I don’t even know what that is.

]]> By: swordsbane http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895821 swordsbane Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:06:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895821 <i>We owe them then chance at Freedom, Democracy, and Free Markets. Comment by Roger_Roger </i> No one can GIVE them that chance. They've had that choice all along. We tried giving it to them. Look how well that turned out. We owe them then chance at Freedom, Democracy, and Free Markets.
Comment by Roger_Roger

No one can GIVE them that chance. They’ve had that choice all along. We tried giving it to them. Look how well that turned out.

]]> By: upside00 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895768 upside00 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:55:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895768 How did an @ssclown like this ever get to be the highest ranking Marine in history?? After seeing this Tony Snow clone, I have lost respect for the Corps. I hope some REAL Marines will speak up on this. Your Corps is rotting!!! How did an @ssclown like this ever get to be the highest ranking Marine in history?? After seeing this Tony Snow clone, I have lost respect for the Corps.

I hope some REAL Marines will speak up on this. Your Corps is rotting!!!

]]> By: Zep Tepi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895761 Zep Tepi Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:54:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895761 Zep > they used to tap my phone, but got bored stiff since I hardly talk on the phone much. Comment by Jay Randal Me either. I don't watch TV or listen to the Radio either. You would think they could go find some terrorists or something better to do. Hell I don't have a car nor belong to any groups. I expect they will come and apologize to me one day for what they have done. If they thiink they are doing GODs work, then it's not me who is the sinner, but them. But I suppose they knew that. Zep > they used to tap my phone, but got bored stiff since I hardly talk on the phone much. Comment by Jay Randal

Me either. I don’t watch TV or listen to the Radio either. You would think they could go find some terrorists or something better to do. Hell I don’t have a car nor belong to any groups. I expect they will come and apologize to me one day for what they have done. If they thiink they are doing GODs work, then it’s not me who is the sinner, but them. But I suppose they knew that.

]]> By: freedomrings http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895755 freedomrings Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:54:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895755 This post came first and asked… <strong>My question here is what makes this news, this site and these comments in any way progressive?</strong> Then you try to address a simple question with another question Then you post this… <em>You are comparing 1 and 2 and they are apples and oranges. I asked you a legit question. Comment by ForTruth — June 29, 2007 @ 4:44 pm</em> Yet you never responded to the question so I owe you nothing! This post came first and asked…
My question here is what makes this news, this site and these comments in any way progressive?
Then you try to address a simple question with another question
Then you post this…

You are comparing 1 and 2 and they are apples and oranges.
I asked you a legit question.
Comment by ForTruth — June 29, 2007 @ 4:44 pm

Yet you never responded to the question so I owe you nothing!

]]> By: Zep Tepi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895743 Zep Tepi Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:50:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895743 #If the spies put bug cameras in bathrooms, then that is just plain gross. Comment by Jay Randal They seem to enjoy it =) for some odd reason. They will eventually get bored and take out these devices, especially since they got nothing to go on. Except maybe a speeding ticket. #If the spies put bug cameras in bathrooms, then that is just plain gross.
Comment by Jay Randal

They seem to enjoy it =) for some odd reason. They will eventually get bored and take out these devices, especially since they got nothing to go on. Except maybe a speeding ticket.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/comment-page-2/#comment-3895741 Jay Randal Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:50:27 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/29/pace-iraq-metric/#comment-3895741 Zep > they used to tap my phone, but got bored stiff since I hardly talk on the phone much. Zep > they used to tap my phone, but got bored stiff since I hardly talk on the phone much.

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