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77 percent:
Number of Americans who believe the Iraq war is going badly, according to a new CBS News poll. The disapproval level is a new high, “up from 66 percent just two months ago. Nearly half, 47 percent, say it’s going very badly.”
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my god 23% are stupid
329 troops killed in 3 months and they think things are going well
thats not supporting the troops is it
June 30th, 2007 at 2:15 pmTobey > basically about 25% of any nation are brain-dead.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:18 pmif Bush said Wholeheartidly and Honestly
We dont want any of Iraqs oil the oil belongs 100% to the Iraqis and we are completely withdrawing our troops in 3 months
the fighting would stop
June 30th, 2007 at 2:18 pmWho are you going to believe, your lying eyes or the Bush Administration?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:19 pm“my god 23% are stupid
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007″
Why, because they don’t agree with you cowards?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:24 pmI’m beginning to think that the dems should just do what their constituents want.
Let them destroy America. If the majority wants that, then who are we to argue against it.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:28 pmmichael,
Ooooooh you’re so tuff, you’re my hero.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:30 pmTD, are you serving any, ahem, Texas snake, by any chance?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:31 pmWhy, because they don’t agree with you cowards?
Comment by michael
No, it’s because they/you are stupid, just like Tobey said.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:31 pmIt’s that simple, Simpleton.
michael – If you were blogging from a military base in Iraq then you would NOT be a coward so until then you remain the biggest yellow bellied hypocrite ever
as for me , I dont kill people unless they occupy my homeland
June 30th, 2007 at 2:32 pmA majority oppose the war now.
A majority think the surge has failed.
A majority believe Bush is a failure.
All important issues can be opposed by the majority, but with the repugs in congress holding to their obstructionist tactics, with Cheney continuing to operate as the empirical leader, with Bush stonewalling every inquiry, it doesn’t appear that it matters that most Americans want to end this nightmare.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:32 pmAnyone who dares to challenge the White House, or (gasp!) report that the public is abandoning Bush is vilified by the right wingnuts as “liberal” and therefore poisonous (in their small minds) to America.
Somewhere, Paul Wolfowitz is laughing his ass off. Where else but America can such unprincipled and immoral men have so much control over power in such high places? All guys like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle, and Tenet have to say is, “Sorry about your kids.”
June 30th, 2007 at 2:33 pm…Texas snake,…
Comment by BottomBoy
Take a look up your ass. Or let your boyfriend take a look see.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:35 pm∞Ω,
I considered the moniker, Bottom Boy, more than just a little homo.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:37 pmI considered the moniker, Bottom Boy, more than just a little homo.
Uh-huh? And what are you going to do about it, big boy?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:38 pmGet a room you two.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:40 pmComment by ∞Ω
You are a real acadummic.
Congratulations, you’re practically a stranger (troll) in your own home (TP.org).
June 30th, 2007 at 2:41 pmBush-Cheney have no concept of the pain of war. They have no understanding of the middle-east. And lastly, if you are not ready to take the pain of the sword in your gut then you have no right to order others to do so and no right to blog for war.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:43 pmIf this surge doesn’t work, the next surge will be bigger. And if that doesn’t work, bigger still.
Hillary and Rudy are on board.
Terrorism will not win.
’nuff said.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI guess, if 8 soldiers die, instead of 10, that means things are improving. Wonder if the families if tge 8 who died would feel that way.
It should be that leaders of any country, that participates in war, must fight the war between themselves. Just leader to leader, fighting it out. No more armies, no more soldiers and civilians dying.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:45 pmMaybe more countries would be willing to compromise and talk things over, if that was the case. Though, if it had been Bush and Saddam, we’d be a suburb of Iraq by now, and Bush would be hiding out on some island.
Just a few notes.
We’re all scared. You potential trolls are hiding because you think there’s still hope. But guys, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you’re already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you’ll be able to function as a troll is supposed to function. Without mercy. Without compassion. Without remorse. All trolling depends on it.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:45 pmbig boy?
Comment by BottomBoy
Yet another Log cabin dude with schlong on the brain.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:49 pmIf you knew my history on TP, you’d know that I’m perfectly comfortably with my sexual orientation. As you said, I do have “schlong” on the brain.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:51 pm23% of 300 million is about
1 braindead president
10 neocons
3 TP trolls using many aliases
10 million working in the automobile industry( that need cheap gas)
25 million working in the arms industry protecting their jobs
20 million shareholders that worry about their stock
and 15 of george bushes closest friends
just because of these guys your country is in a mess
June 30th, 2007 at 2:52 pmTobey- Well said!
June 30th, 2007 at 2:53 pmComment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Time for you to get lost, it seems like no one here is paying attention to you anymore. Your stuff has gotten tiresome.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:55 pmThink Progress should start posting some postive news about Iraq. Maybe they could change some minds.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:55 pm“your country is a mess”
And just who are you to criticize our country?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:55 pmTobey- The U.S. arms industry (the military industrial complex) is what Eisenhower warned against. They formulate and provide for the conditions of conflict throughout the world.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:57 pm“your country is a messâ€
And just who are you to criticize our country?
Comment by BottomBoy
June 30th, 2007 at 2:59 pmProbably someone more articulate.
Hey, you know what guys? I just woke up. Man, it’s strange to sleep like this but damn. I was really wasted earlier today. I just wonder what kind of crap I posted here.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:03 pmIf you knew my history on TP, you’d know that I’m perfectly comfortably with my sexual orientation. As you said, I do have “schlong†on the brain.
Comment by BottomBoy
Don’t know it, don’t care about it, but thanks for that 0′ so important tidbit of information.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:03 pmWe should see how the “surge” is going by September before doing anything else. Bush deserves that much from us.
http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org
June 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pmWe should see how the “surge†is going by September before doing anything else. Bush deserves that much from us.
http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org
Comment by KYJurisDoctor
June 30th, 2007 at 3:07 pmTony Snow already said not to take too much stock in a report coming in September.
Looks like BottomBoy is a gay nazi. Just check out some of the earlier threads.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:08 pmBush deserves that much from us.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:09 pmBush deserves what?? I’m sorry, but have a problem in believing Bush desreves a GD thing.
33/ does Bush justify another 329 dead troops in 3 months + 2000 more wounded + $50 billion in cash
hes like a mad gambler that cannot stop
June 30th, 2007 at 3:09 pm#37: Freedom is not free.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:11 pmTobey- Bush would make a great Knights Templar as in the movie “Kingdom of Heaven”.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:13 pmOur current Government of the people, by the people and for the people doesn’t give a crap about the people.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:14 pm#37: Freedom is not free.
Comment by BottomBoy
June 30th, 2007 at 3:14 pmAre you ready to take the sword in the gut?
#41: Oi… I didn’t know you were cruising. :)
June 30th, 2007 at 3:15 pmLooks like BottomBoy is a gay nazi.
Comment by StinkyBritches
Ya think? DOH!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:17 pm#41: Oi… I didn’t know you were cruising. :)
Comment by BottomBoy
June 30th, 2007 at 3:20 pmPretty obvious that your here as an idiot. BTW, I have devoted my career to working with AIDS patients. 20 years at UCSD and the VA. Do not take me on with gay shit.
:-O~
June 30th, 2007 at 3:21 pmComment by BottomBoy
When I say gay shit. I mean, don’t use euphemisms.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:21 pmMore than 30 innocent Afghani civilians got blown to bloody pieces today and close to 100 more maimed and injured. They were mostly women and children. Look out your window at your neighbors scurring about their yards and business. EXACTLY like them.
In Iraq, this EXACT same situation (in regards to casualties) happens more than THREE times EACH AND EVERY DAY, including weekends and holidays.
As this diary purports, the vast majority of Americans want this situation addressed and changed. Currently, per the “anti-war” Dems like Reid, Pelosi, Tough-talk up front and payola in murky motels Murtha, and coward-extraordinare Webb, this isn’t even to be DISCUSSED again until September, when they need money again. (Note: Amazing how everything quieted down once they got their money, more than what was requested by the way, last time.)
The time for talk is over. Either we, the “progressives”, do something real and serious about this now, or someone needs to nuke Washington DC and then every major city in this nation until we no longer have the capability to perform the unchecked murder and rape that we are OPENLY and ARROGANTLY perpetrating upon the world.
This has to end now. We are so deep into evil that we, most everyone here included, treat is now as if it is normal.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pmTobey – you miscounted. I didn’t see the Halliburton constituency nor did I see the Rapture-Ready crowd- the ones who see hastening Armageddon as a positive foriegn policy.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pmFrom the news yesterday and today it seems terrorism is beginning to spread like wildfire,and once again the president is on vacation. Tony Snow tells us that the security alert level wont be raised and why do you think that is? It would be hard to further justify bushs vacation during yet another alert thats why.This man is a failure and a coward and we have well over a year of this sh*t still to come.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:28 pmIt’s pretty obvious to me that ‘Al Qaeda’ is winning right now.
Take a look at CNN right now. Wall to wall coverage of two clowns who drive a Jeep Cherokee into a glass door in Glasgow – they couldn’t even kill themselves. The kind of amateur ‘wannabe’ terrorism that these ‘Al Qaeda’ franchisees all over are pulling off. And in this case, no worse than an average morning in Baghdad.
And yet? Glasgow airport closed, US on alert, 24 fear-mongering tv coverage…..millions spent chasing phantoms. We’re afraid of our own shadows. I’m guessing we’ll find two second-generation Pakistani-Scots kids with Glasgow accents, plans for a Jeep molotov on their internet cache, alienated as much from their parents as from the country of their birth.
OBL is ROTFLHAO
June 30th, 2007 at 3:33 pmThat number is going to be in the mid to high 80’s by general election time…(thanks in part to the ’surge’) at which point Denis Kucinich and Ron Paul aren’t going to seem so crazy anymore and every pro-war candidate (which includes Hillary and Barak and ALL Repugs except Paul) is going to look like a clueless fool.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:36 pm“No, it’s because they/you are stupid, just like Tobey said.
It’s that simple, Simpleton.
Comment by ∞Ω — June 30, 2007″
Then, if that is how you feel I would expect that you could back it up with something instead of spewing idiotic words?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:38 pm…and we have well over a year of this sh*t still to come.
Comment by Vance — June 30, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Hopefully that is all; I still think the real damage is yet to come.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:39 pmI’d love to be wrong.
“you remain the biggest yellow bellied hypocrite ever
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007″
I am? Explain?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:39 pm(Tongue in cheeck for my stupid trolls out there)
77% of us hate America and want to see it defeated….77% of Americans support the terrorists…77% don’t support the troops…
and…
77% of Americans show signs of brain acivity!!!!
applause
June 30th, 2007 at 3:39 pm“…and we have well over a year of this sh*t still to come.
Comment by Vance — June 30, 2007″
You will have decades of this to come, you fool!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:40 pmAnd in other news, the Democratic Congress is plunging to a new low of 14%!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:41 pmMICHAEL, you’re 100% correct!
It’s going to take decades to undo the damage caused by the people and the policies you dumb shits supported.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:42 pmA majority oppose the war now.
A majority think the surge has failed.
A majority believe Bush is a failure.
Comment by Marie — June 30, 2007
So what! And it’s quite possible that the majority also don’t have a clue what is at stake. Have you been watching the news the past few days?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:43 pmStay the course… follow it right off the cliff!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:43 pm… back it up…
Comment by michael
Do us a favor; go back up to BottomBoy and stop wasting our time with your endless childish questions.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:44 pm“It’s going to take decades to undo the damage caused by the people and the policies you dumb shits supported.
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007″
If anyone attempts to undo what we have accomplished in the last few years against terrorism, then we are doomed!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:44 pmDemocratic Congress less popular than HMOs….
http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/2007/06/what_do_hmos_an.html
Just 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress.
This 14% Congressional confidence rating is the all-time low for this measure, which Gallup initiated in 1973. The previous low point for Congress was 18% at several points in the period of time 1991 to 1994.
Congress is now nestled at the bottom of the list of Gallup’s annual Confidence in Institutions rankings, along with HMOs. Just 15% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in HMOs. (By way of contrast, 69% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in the military, which tops the list. More on this at galluppoll.com on Thursday).
Generally speaking, Americans have been skeptical about Congress for decades now. But the current 14% confidence rating for Congress is down from 19% last year and is the lowest in Gallup’s history, surpassing the 18% confidence in Congress measured in 1991, 1993 and 1994.
Anything common about 1991, 1993, 1994, and 2007? Oh, right, the Congress was filled with Democrats.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:45 pm“Do us a favor; go back up to BottomBoy and stop wasting our time with your endless childish questions.
Comment by ∞Ω — June 30, 2007″
Does that mean you can’t?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:45 pmWait for the shit to hit the fan – in Scotland Alex Salmon is the leader of the Scottish Parliment – he is SNP ( scottish national Party) very smart and completely Anti war in fact the Biggest war critic of Bliar
next the london car bomb attempt will force PM Gordon Brown to play his hand, for 4 years he has whitewashed all questions asked about Iraq while newspappers have speculated both ways
nobody was hurt , this is a big test for our Country ( Scotland ) and them Sassenach pussies down south
June 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pmTobey- The U.S. arms industry (the military industrial complex) is what Eisenhower warned against. They formulate and provide for the conditions of conflict throughout the world.
We spent much more on defense during his Presidency. Then Bill Clinton happened.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pmMICHAEL, I guess it doesn’t matter to you that among the 77% of people who do not support the war, you will find a majority of foreign policy experts, retired generals who are free to state their true beliefs, scholars, and people who show signs of brain activity. Whereas, the 23% hardcore dipshits still supporting the Titanic are comprised mostly of bottom feeding comatose followers.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:47 pmBwahaha. Yeah, right.
I’m in that 23% and I don’t recognize your description of us. We’re smart, professional people and we support the administration because, well, they are right and you are wrong.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:49 pmNo, it’s because they/you are stupid, just like Tobey said.
It’s that simple, Simpleton.
Comment by ∞Ω — June 30, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Wow. What a witty retort.
Look, ⟨ ∞ Ω
I know you are trying, but please son, shut the fukc up when grown folks are talkin’.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:49 pm#62 MICHAEL
Exactly what the fuck have we accomplished in the war against terror besides making the world less safe, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, creating more instability in the middle east, helping terrorism recruitment grow exponentially, and allowing our treasure to be plundered by American corporations? Is that how you define success or progress?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:51 pm“the 23% hardcore dipshits still supporting the Titanic are comprised mostly of bottom feeding comatose followers.
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007″
Did you have to consult with your English teacher to come up with that sentence?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:53 pmIndeed
June 30th, 2007 at 3:54 pmToday’s terrorist act reminds us that we are winning.
Winning because we’re not being attacked here in America. That is the definition of winning. Bush has protected the US from attack since the 2001 attack.
Lets hope our friends join us in fighting those who have declared war on us all. Today’s activities should be a warning to all those trying to appease and withdraw from fighting terror. The terrorists are at war with you whether or not you choose to fight back. The terrorists demand that you convert to Islam or die. You have the choice to fight back.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:55 pmComment by ∞Ω
From the dean, thank you for speaking for yourself. The dean of trolls believes that you would need to attach more proof in order to speak for everybody. Your acadummic way of life appears to be no better than the thug life, yo.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:56 pmI wonder how many “comatose” lawyers and doctors there are in that group, michael.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:56 pmAh. Jake is back.
Was your Aneros session any good?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:57 pmCan you trolls just hurry up and evolve already? Debating you is like kicking a puppy on the way to school. Easy to do but no satisfaction whatsoever.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:57 pm23% of 300 million is about
1 braindead president
10 neocons
3 TP trolls using many aliases
10 million working in the automobile industry( that need cheap gas)
25 million working in the arms industry protecting their jobs
20 million shareholders that worry about their stock
5 million oil workers keeping jobs beacause oil prices have gone up
2 million end timers, Rapture-Ready crowd, or Christian Crusaders
just because of these minority groups your country is in a mess
this one wound the trolls up so much ill have to post again
June 30th, 2007 at 3:59 pmComment by Mr. President :-O~
Yet another Log Cabin dude here at TP. today.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:59 pmHarming small animals is indicative of mental problems.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:00 pmThe fact that 23 percent of the sheeple believe the war is going well is a testament to the dumbing down of the populace first advocated and then implemented by the Darth Reagan administration. A huge facilitator of that dumbing down is the Faux Noise Network coupled with Rush, Ann, Sean, Michael Savage and other lower life forms. Although more than 330 American kids have died in Iraqnam in the last three months, the lead story on yahoo.com news this morning was that the former astronaut who drove to Orlando to confront her rival did not, as earlier reported, wear a diaper.
Who gives a rat’s rectum?
But that is considered “news.” Is it no wonder that 23 percent think the folly in Iraqnam is going well? Is it any wonder that Bush’s disapproval rating is ONLY 65 percent? We have nobody but ourselves to blame for letting this happen.
By the way, go see SiCKO. I did last night and it was the best $10 I will spend this year.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI have to raise a question: what if 23% of fighting men and women actually on the front lines in Iraq support the war? What would be the typical TP.org response to them?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:00 pmMUCKDOG, in case you haven’t been paying attention, terrorism has increased since we diverted our attention from the war on terror and invaded Iraq. We had Osama cornered and we let him walk. Your masters don’t want to end terrorism, they want it to grow so that the oil companies, Halliburtons, the Balckwaters, and the likes can continue to rape, plunder, and pillage the poeples of the world.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI regret nothing. Oh wait a minute. There’s one thing I regret. My trolling seems to be keeping Zooey away. I miss her and the verbal punishments she used to subject us to.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:01 pmTobey Tall:
Don’t forget all the CEO’s, doctors and lawyers who support the GOP too.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWhy, because they don’t agree with you cowards?
Comment by michael
I see the King of the Kwestion mark is back.
The plan was to free the Iraqis not create terrorists. Remember the propaganda back in 2003? Oppressive leader, regime change, democracy etc etc.
Saddam was a problem, thats been admitted here many times, but his country was secular, Sunnis and Shias married, many Iraqis were educated. This freedom occupation has only helped to grow the terrorist problem, not reduce it. It was Scowcroft , I believe, who who said the war in Iraq will undermine the global war on terror, and it has.
I think the troops should have redeployed to Iraqs borders when Saddam was captured his statue toppled.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:02 pmAs long as there’s no more terrorists attack here . . .
June 30th, 2007 at 4:02 pmZep: ever experienced alien abduction?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:03 pm77 percent:
June 30th, 2007 at 4:04 pmNumber of Americans who believe the Iraq war is going badly…
Too bad…. Bush has the Supreme court stacked, Black Water available, US internment camps getting ready, EO#51 has been signed to take over, by Bush, in time of crisis and there are rumors of the elimination of the Posse Comitatus Act – that act written after the civil war so the military could no shoot civilians.
DEAN OF TROLLS, you’re obviously oblivious to reality. The military magazines have conducted polls on our troops and roughly a whole 23% support what they’re being asked to do.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:04 pmjust because of these minority groups your country is in a mess
this one wound the trolls up so much ill have to post again
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
June 30th, 2007 at 4:05 pmYOU’RE NAME… IS TOBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok. Maybe that was too heavy. Relax man. I’m just bullshitting you.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:05 pmTerrorism trouble has showed up just in time to put fear into everyone for the 4th of July holiday. Today is the start of the holiday for many Americans and the attack on an airport in Scotland will scare some to not fly on planes anywhere. Glasgow car bomb attack appears to be a false-flag operation to help Bush. Strange that Bush baby is with his dad today fishing in Maine. We are not supposed to notice that when he is off on vacation then crap happens.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:07 pmMy comment about that Afghanistan mess that everyone here has ignored through false sanctimony and/or a gallactic lack of common sense, needs to be updated.
The DEATH count has already increased to 130. No word on injuries, but this is sounding more and more like a situation where they just annihilated the village so the DEATH count will probably exceed the wounded substantially.
The last line in the current CNN online article is this:
Shah said the attack came after two coalition vehicles were hit with a mine and an ambush Friday afternoon.
For those of you too young to have lived through the abomination called the “Vietnam War”, you may not recognize that language. Let me introduce you to some other language that you should become familiar with.
“In order to save the village, we had to destroy it”.
“We will win the hearts and minds of these people by seeking out and killing the extreme elements of their society.”
“What is wrong with these people? Don’t they understand that we are trying to help them improve their lives?” (this quote from a soldier who had just shot an entire family)
What is it going to take for you to stand up? Will it be before or after that soldier above comes and kills your family?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:07 pmI regret nothing. Oh wait a minute. There’s one thing I regret. My trolling seems to be keeping Zooey away. I miss her and the verbal punishments she used to subject us to.
Comment by AnonTroll — June 30, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
You should share your feelings under a new name,
Maybe:
ZooeyAnonymous
or
Trolls4ZooeyAnonymous
You can get throught this tough time in your life AnonTroll, but you can’t do it alone.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:07 pmZep: ever experienced alien abduction? Comment by G-man
I was born in America and raised in America G-man. But maybe your talking about UFOs, who knows – who cares? I have a right to free speech just as any other American does, so you can quit with your idiotic posts already.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pmmuckdog – your ‘we’re winning’ reminds me of….. Baghdad Bob. What an arrogant US-centric view of the world. Terror attacks have gone up by 100s of pct since the Iraq invasion – US ability to project anything kind of power has diminished preciptously since the invasion…. Baghdad Bob, son, Baghdad Bob.
Its as if the Redcoats thought they were winning the Revolution because none of Washington’s army had managed to attack London.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pmNo modern day President of the United States takes a “vacation” (as in a day AWAY from work anymore). Bush is going to be meeting with Putin in Maine — how many of you assholes do that on your vacation?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:09 pmDEAN OF TROLLS,
So you’re saying that because maybe 23% of our troops support the Iraqi occupation that they should somehow get a free pass for being wrong. Our troops are great, the meanest fighting force on the face of the planet, but they are not infallible. Guess what? There are some bad apples in every bunch.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:09 pmTobey Tall with a brain too small ,
June 30th, 2007 at 4:10 pmWhat kind of poll resultes do you expect when a Liberal News Network asks a bunch of Liberals a Question ? Damn you are Stupid
Can you trolls just hurry up and evolve already? Debating you is like kicking a puppy on the way to school. Easy to do but no satisfaction whatsoever.
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Listen up, lad.
I was just on the other thread (which has basically the same topic as this one) and YOU still haven’t provided the parallels between Iraq today and Taliban Afganistan.
Study up, youngster!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:10 pmMr. President
June 30th, 2007 at 4:12 pmHis Name is Toby Tall With a Brain Two Small .
#70 and #71 are pretty funny:
June 30th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
The Lesson of the Viet Nam War: Don’t involve America in a war WITHOUT the SUPPORT of the American People.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pmBush is clinging to the Embers and Sparks of Hope for some kind of victory in Iraq while the inferno rages around him.
Mr. President, son of mine, what nonsense do you speak of now? One day, when your testicles drop and you grow some hair on your chest, you will start to understand this world we live in. In the meantime leave the adult conversations to the grownups. Now run along and play!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pmFDR,
HIS NAME IS TOBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(you know, like on “Roots”)
June 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pmOk. Maybe that was too heavy. Relax man. I’m just bullshitting you.
Comment by G-man
You think it was too heavy. I am relaxed. And I have always known your just another internet lamer trying to play some Rachel troll type headgame. Please do find something better to do with your time.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pmdantheman
June 30th, 2007 at 4:16 pmSo you like kicking puppies , what a sick little monkey , no wonder we hat Liberals . A I am glad that the Terrorist will kill you guys first , its so well deserving of you Flower Bearers .
Ok. It’s cool, dude. Good to know that you didn’t freak out.
You never know how flaky you guys are and I don’t want to destabilize you any further.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:16 pmComment by dantheman
23% of our troops, of course, couldn’t be bad apples. And that was the easy question, by the way, because I’m sure that support in the field amounts to more than 23%.
Otherwise a good response, Mr. Dantheman.
Sincerely, the Dean.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:16 pmComment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Now you’re just putting together parts of my previous posts.
So I’ll say it as I said it before:
I know you are trying, but please son, shut the fukc up when grown folks are talkin’.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
June 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pm#102 MR. PRESIDENT, why are you always hanging from other peoples nuts? Everytime another troll posts a comment, no matter how stupid, you fall over yourself and blow them. I’m embarrased for you kid.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI was just on the other thread (which has basically the same topic as this one) and YOU still haven’t provided the parallels between Iraq today and Taliban Afganistan.
Study up, youngster!
Comment by Mr. President
ooo oooo I know, I know! [raises hand]
The answer is either A: Don Rumsfeld Or B: Osama Been Losten
June 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pm(you know, like on “Rootsâ€)
Comment by Mr. President
Or ‘The Office.’
June 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pmRight, I aspire to become ignorant just like you Mr. President.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:17 pmComment by Dean of Trolls, CT_V1 — June 30, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
No. Dean.
Remember the classic scene in “Roots” where the slave owner is trying to get Toby to accept his slave name, and he wipes him while saying:
“YOU’RE NAME IS TOBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
June 30th, 2007 at 4:19 pmKid you crack me up. Keep posting man, you’re doing a great job demonstrating how big an idiot you really are.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:20 pmYou never know how flaky you guys are and I don’t want to destabilize you any further. Comment by G-man
In case you didn’t know, G-man, I have worked on military bases and have actually helped to stop one of you rightwing destabilized flakes from sabotaging big jet aircraft. Now quit putting your imagination on me, it makes you look unstable.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:20 pmdantheman words of wisdom from a fourth grader
June 30th, 2007 at 4:20 pmAgain Mr. President , his name is Toby Tall with a Brain Too Small
June 30th, 2007 at 4:22 pmComment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
The funny part was YOUR RESPONSE, fool.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:22 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FDR,
June 30th, 2007 at 4:22 pmHIS NAME IS TOBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zep Tepi sure you do and sure you have . )
June 30th, 2007 at 4:23 pmFDR- I rank “toby tall with a brain too small” at about first grade….how about you?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:23 pmHere’s a little catchy tune for you impish trolls.
Dean and President sitting in a tree, b-l-o-w-i-n-g, first comes Dean, then Mr. Pres, now both their chins are one big mess!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:23 pmRight, I aspire to become ignorant just like you Mr. President.
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
What are you, some kind of anti-troll troll or something?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pm“DEAN OF TROLLS, you’re obviously oblivious to reality. The military magazines have conducted polls on our troops and roughly a whole 23% support what they’re being asked to do.”
It’s still not right of you to put your stateside discontent over any battleground support, regardless of any premise of the conflict. Those troops do need the motivation to accomplish something, at the very least. Not to impose on you, but I feel that motivation in the worst of times is the way to get through the worst of times.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pmSeriously, don’t you trolls have an x box or a bike or something?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWell it time for Liberal Education Class again .
June 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pmSeriously, don’t you trolls have an x box or a bike or something?
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Whatever…
anti-troll troll!!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pmZep Tepi sure you do and sure you have . ) Comment by FDR
Doesn’t matter what you think now does it? After all you weren’t there. Sheeshus. But keep denying it and it will magically and eventually come true in your mind only.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pmHere’s a little catchy tune for you impish trolls.
Dean and President sitting in a tree, b-l-o-w-i-n-g, first comes Dean, then Mr. Pres, now both their chins are one big mess!
Comment by dantheman
Do you consider yourself worthy of civil debate? To any extent?
Didn’t think so.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:25 pm1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000
June 30th, 2007 at 4:26 pmOct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
#124 MR PRESIDENT “What are you, some kind of anti-troll troll or something?”
Gee, what gave you that idea?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:26 pmDEAN, Debating a troll is an oxymoron.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:27 pmDEAN, what,all of a suden you want to be civil?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:28 pmGee, what gave you that idea?
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
You know…
Your brain-dead comments.
You seem to be a Lefty Islamo-Stalinist robot.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:28 pmDo you ever read over your comments?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:28 pmdantheman
June 30th, 2007 at 4:28 pmXboxes and PS2s are liberal toys used by liberals to block out reality
Well it time for Liberal Education Class again Comment by FDR
I suppose your gonna pull out one of them Jason Hendler cups of wisdom and impress us…..with? Urr… Um…well, we dont know what with.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:29 pmyou call us Trolls because we speak of reality .
June 30th, 2007 at 4:29 pmDan, I would rank “Dean and President sitting in a tree, b-l-o-w-i-n-g, first comes Dean, then Mr. Pres, now both their chins are one big mess!”
at about the 4th grade level…
What do you say TerrytT?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:29 pmMr Pres “Lefty Islamo-Stalinist robot”
Oooh, aaahh, that one really hurt. Anything but an Islamo-Stalinist robot? Have mercy on a poor soul…
June 30th, 2007 at 4:29 pm4th grade level, man you sure got the good come backs, no pun intended.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:30 pmdantheman
Xboxes and PS2s are liberal toys used by liberals to block out reality
Comment by FDR — June 30, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Agreed.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWhen are the “BIG MARCHES?â€
When are the “ANTIWAR PROTESTS†that have more people than a trio?
What about a love-in who can “SHOW THE LOVEâ€
When is there going to be a national strike?
The progressive movement seems to be a sham when only a few people are willing to think progressively and do any or all of the above. Yesterday someone here said to me, “Strikes are one of the main elements of class warfare. Who exactly are we striking against? Wouldn’t that be workers striking against their employers?†This idiot has his head unscrewed. Unfair taxation is a weapon of the Plutocrats along with runaway national debt. Practicing our 1st Amendment right to protest and address the government with our grievances is essential to our liberty.
Some people here despise liberty enough that they would claim that a national strike would be (some individual said this) “an insurgency.†Unreal, can you imagine the depravity needed to make such a claim? The 1st Amendment allows protest. If 100,000,000 people march on DC that is fine but the USA is large enough and energy prices so high that many citizens that may want to attend will not be able to afford the trip. Out of those 100,000,000 people 100% of them who work would need to take the day off in order to go to the protest.
Some people here are actually calling for more taxes rather than abolishing the problem called “The Federal Reserve.†The nation implemented a “Personal Income Tax†in WW1 and then started collecting said tax during WW2. How is it that Americans managed to survive from 1776 to around 1913 without a personal income tax? How did all of those governmental buildings get built? None of the money collected by personal income taxes pays for anything the people use. Guess what that money (PIT) is used for?
The progressive movement is not a movement at all. Pure diatribe, apathy and hate and no end in sight. It almost seems like people do blogging like this to create the illusion that they want the war to end, etc. but in reality they just want the flakin Iraq oil too. I could be wrong and I hope I’m wrong and the people choose the 1st Amendment so that the Government Officials are given one last chance to turn this around. So far this is just a lot of HOT AIR
June 30th, 2007 at 4:32 pmdantheman
Xboxes and PS2s are liberal toys used by liberals to block out reality
Comment by FDR
Oh yes, maybe that was it…his X-box wisdom. Those things are the product of Capitalism FDR. BTW I live in a red state so it must be to obfuscate the conservative reality….
June 30th, 2007 at 4:32 pmOk, I’m gong to make this little skirmish a little more fair and balanced. I’m going to leave, then you children can post all your witty attacks without me being able to defend or counter attack.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:32 pmCan’t honestly pinpoint that one Mr P. – could be early Britney Spears..
June 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pmLater losers! Come back after again sometime!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:34 pmDEAN, Debating a troll is an oxymoron.
Comment by dantheman
Allow me to translate to your real thoughts:
Facing dissent is the equivalent of undergoing a root-canal for me. Thinkprogress.org commentary should be a game of ping-pong with only the wall as my opponent. Even in that case, I need stealth mode to ensure my win. Sometimes those walls can be a toughie.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:35 pmyou call us Trolls because we speak of reality .
Comment by FDR
X-box is a microsoft product FDR, I suppose all computers made by microsoft, most likely what your using, is to warp your conservative/liberal reality? What about that TV your watching? Is that also a liberal reality altering tool? Or is it just Capitalism and progress?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:35 pmFDR- If you backtrack your chronologly of events you will see that they coincide with our election time frames.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:36 pmIt is absolutely imperative to those who wish to overthrow our way of life and our Constiitution that they instill fear. That fear has translated into restrictions of liberties or legal protections under the Constitution.
That is the Jihadist winning.
Which party has been taking away your liberties and your protections so you feel “safer”?
Agreed. Comment by Mr. President
BTW Mr Bush loves to play his computer golf game, by the logic of FDR and Mr P, he is a liberal with a liberal toy distorting his liberal reality.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:37 pm#144,
Agreed in full.
You get started on organizing the mass protests, and I’m going to start on the revolution.
As I have seen, and you can attest, if you are waiting for the “progressives” to actually DO anything, well, you are already in reverse.
The time is now. Not one more murder is going to be perpetrated by my nation, in my name, using my resources, without a direct and proportianate response.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:39 pmA troll, I say, is not a Republican nor a Democrat, nor a Libertine nor a Conservative, nor an Atheist nor a Fundamentalist
A troll is someone who trys to pin their group think imagination on another group via EM waves. This distorted EM imagination as reality is created by television and media pundits of all leanings and all political ideologies. =)
June 30th, 2007 at 4:46 pmBTW Mr Bush loves to play his computer golf game, by the logic of FDR and Mr P, he is a liberal with a liberal toy distorting his liberal reality.
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
I’ll agree to that. :P
June 30th, 2007 at 4:46 pmAgreed in full.
You get started on organizing the mass protests, and I’m going to start on the revolution.
As I have seen, and you can attest, if you are waiting for the “progressives†to actually DO anything, well, you are already in reverse.
The time is now. Not one more murder is going to be perpetrated by my nation, in my name, using my resources, without a direct and proportianate response.
Comment by Fed the Fcuk Up! — June 30, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Yes I learned the other day and I’m sorry I asked you to calm down though I did mean well. You were 100% correct these “Progressives†seem to have picked a name that is disingenuous. I guess they are progressive in one way since some did got out of their parents basements and get studio apartments :)
June 30th, 2007 at 4:48 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — June 30, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Ahh yes, the pre-pubescent pop-star stage.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:48 pmCome back after again sometime!
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Sure thing danny-boy!!!
See ya after later!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:50 pmWhy, because they don’t agree with you cowards?
Comment by michael
Michael, when you report for duty, DON’T wear your mother’s best dress.
(Remember, Michael, we’re still working w/ DADT here…)
June 30th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI’ll agree to that. :P Comment by Mr. President
Of course you would. It fits your group think ideology. Now all you gotta do is put your imagination on me, and Waaa Laaa, you have a non-truth truth. 8^P
June 30th, 2007 at 4:51 pmXboxes and PS2s are liberal toys used by liberals to block out reality
Comment by FDR
Riiiight, and old righties just beat their heads on the wall until they go brain-dead, and THEN, they run for office!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:52 pmBTW Mr Bush loves to play his computer golf game, by the logic of FDR and Mr P, he is a liberal with a liberal toy distorting his liberal reality.
Comment by Zep Tepi
Don’t forget, he also loves riding his bicycle. Perhaps he still blows up frogs w/ firecrackers while down in Texas too. Who’s to know?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:53 pm“Progressives†are starting to remind me of skid row alcoholics. They keep on talking about how they will get off the sauce and how they want to rip out the Shrubs & Bushes and plant trees. So then you go to pick them up and do the thing and they are fall down drunk again! Am I the only one that sees that correlation?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:55 pmOf course you would. It fits your group think ideology. Now all you gotta do is put your imagination on me, and Waaa Laaa, you have a non-truth truth. 8^P
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
I don’t have a “group” or an “ideology,” in fact, I agreed with you.
Looks like you put your imagination on me!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:55 pm“Progressives†are starting to remind me of skid row alcoholics. They keep on talking about how they will get off the sauce and how they want to rip out the Shrubs & Bushes and plant trees. So then you go to pick them up to do the thing and they are fall down drunk again! Am I the only one that sees that correlation?
June 30th, 2007 at 4:57 pmI don’t have a “group†or an “ideology,†in fact, I agreed with you.
Looks like you put your imagination on me!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Nice try, but what I posted was not true, nor my ideology, I said by your and FDRs logic, You forget,perhaps, that youo agreed with FDRs imagination
=P Phhbbbttttt!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:58 pmComment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Comment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Wow. A new kind of troll.
freedomrings is like the character in “Goodfellas,” named Johnny Two-Times, because he says everything 2 times:
“I’m gonna go get the papers, get the papers.”
June 30th, 2007 at 4:59 pmLooks like you put your imagination on me!!! Comment by Mr. President ®
If I were going to do that it would be something like Mr P uses a pole for a seat on his segway and wears crotchless panties backwards.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:00 pm=P Phhbbbttttt!
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
But if it is true in my mind, how do I know it is not “really” true?
Since all I can ever know must ultimately be processed in my mind.
8-b
June 30th, 2007 at 5:01 pm“I’m gonna go get the papers, get the papers.â€
Comment by Mr. President ®
Heh.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:02 pmIf I were going to do that it would be something like Mr P uses a pole for a seat on his segway and wears crotchless panties backwards.
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
So that is how you would imagine me? :{
June 30th, 2007 at 5:03 pmBut if it is true in my mind, how do I know it is not “really†true?
Usually when I get in a loop like that I stick my finger in a lightsocket.
I cannot see electricity but damned if something didn’t shock me.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:04 pm=)
So that is how you would imagine me? :{
Comment by Mr. President ®
Oh I have a great imagination, but no, I don’t imagine you that way.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:05 pmOh I have a great imagination, but no, I don’t imagine you that way.
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Thanks, because the imaginary me in your mind would be humiliated!
June 30th, 2007 at 5:08 pmEnnyHoooo, I am gonna go fire up the old PC and play some Leisure Suit Larry. Heh. Actually I’m gonna go Bab-R-Q some Breastesses. Chciken that is. =)
Later Mr P. , FDR and you too G-Man.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:08 pmLater Mr P. , FDR and you too G-Man.
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
See ya!
June 30th, 2007 at 5:11 pm“And in other news, the Democratic Congress is plunging to a new low of 14%! Comment by m12″
m12 – you really do need to go back to troll school. You are failing miserably. That was the talking point last week you fool. What’s the matter with you, short attention span?
Besides, last I checked there were lots of Republics still in Congress. They would be very happy to hear that Congress was now 100% Democratic. That would require a lot of people to switch parties.
But, that’s a little too much information for your pea brain. So, continue on making a fool out of yourself.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:12 pmThe trolls could win this debate quickly and simply by demonstrating that things are going well in Iraq. However, the trolls can not do so:
1. Violence: The overall level of violence in Iraq has remained relatively unchanged. The location of the violence has moved to the rural areas, norther Kurdish areas and the South.
a. The trolls will argue that violence is not the real measure of success. Sorry trolls. The whole point of government and wars of “liberation” is to provide a peaceful environment for the population.
b. We have had nearly five years to have made some substantive progress in this area. Yet no substantive progress was made. Face it, a competent leadership would never have let chaos take root in the first place (remember Rumsy watching the looting and doing nothin about it saying that some people will misuse their freedom). A competent leadership would have ensured that Iraq’s infrastructure was promptly addressed. A competent leadership would not have de-Baathisized the country and disbanded the army..
c. We constantly denied the insurgency and then the civil war existed making enemies of the insurgent sectarian groups who then turned to Iran and Al Quaeda for support.
2. Democracy: The Iraqi political system is fragmented and in a state of civil war. Do the trolls ever watch the groups who have left this government? There is no effective government in this country. It is a failed state and not the unrealistic dream when Bush declared success after the day of the purple fingers.
3. Quality of life:
a. Economic: High unemployment. Virtualy nonexistent oil production. Flight of the professional and educated classes. How many refugees (1-2 million in a country of 20 million).
b. Infrastructure: Schools, electric production, clean water, road construction, health care facilities all significantly worse than pre-war levels.
c. Health statistics: soaring adult and child death rates. Increased disease and hunger.
d. Iraqi morale: A significant majority believe things are and will be getting worse. A majority believes that the US should leave within a year. A majority believes that the US is making things worse.
Could have been different with competent US leadership that would have used local Iraqi’s as a labor source to build less elaborate infrastructure as wll as providing security during reconstruction. Competent leadership would have realized that this would have employed the Iraqi army, provided valuable economic growth, given the Iraqi’s a sense of ownership in the improvements (more likely to turn in those insurgents attempting to attack them) and provided immediate quality of life benefits.
Now trolls – what are your metrics for success? All I hear is that there can be no measure for success because that omniscient, omnipotent , shadowy enemy will make sure that the numbers come out wrong. Sorry, but after a period of combat and diplomacy lasting longer than WWII, we should be seeing a trend in the right direction.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:13 pm“If anyone attempts to undo what we have accomplished in the last few years against terrorism, then we are doomed!
Comment by michael “
michael honey, you might want to crawl back under your bed. It’s much safer there. Those big bad boogyman islamofachists can’t get you if you are under your bed.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:14 pmTobey Tall, Jay Randal, Leftcoast-
Very well said. It is as if Bush has looked to Tennyson for inspiration: “into the valley of death rode the 600″ only in this case it is the 160,000 who are riding to their deaths. These needless and unnecessary deaths of American military personnel remind me of my neighbor berating me for twenty minutes last week for not supporting the troops, despite the fact that I had attempted to point out to her that I do not support their mission of brutalizing and terrorizing the Iraqi people and that the best way of supporting them is to remove them from that abattoir as quickly and as rapidly as possible. It was rather surprising that she managed to restrain herself from labeling me a traitor.
But when these super Americans become caught up in their patriotic fervor, it is as if they have reached a high or a plateau from which they have no desire to come down. Facts, reason, logic are cast away in favor of nationalistic zealotry from which no degree of persuasive argument can ever be allowed to pierce their patriotic armor.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:19 pmComment by Katie
You’ll need to prove that to be a “talking point.” Go ahead, put your academic skills to the test. You can’t just ask proof out of us.
If the congress has that approval rating, that’s their approval rating.
Prove yourself, we can’t just take your word for it.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:20 pmmichael honey, you might want to crawl back under your bed. It’s much safer there. Those big bad boogyman islamofachists can’t get you if you are under your bed.
Comment by Katie
And you’re the one harping incessantly against talking points?
Ever been accused of being in crazy denial, Islamo-Stalinist?
June 30th, 2007 at 5:22 pmCT, half of these Lefties ARE Islamo-Stalinists, but they will never admit it.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:24 pmBlah, blah, blah
Comment by freedom “I’m so special my posts needs to be very long and bolded” rings — June 30, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Oh great radical that has figured out what is wrong with the progressive movement and has all the answers,
You keep calling for a general strike. Could you tell us what concrete steps you are taking to make that happen? Surely, you don’t think coming here and posting a call for a general strike will make it happen. You must be involved with some organization. Or are you attempting to initiate a national, general strike on your own?
BTW, you complained that taxation was bad and would lead to class warfare. I pointed out that a strike is typically regarded as class warfare.
You’re a walking contradiction. You come here pretending to be smarter than all of the progressive movement and with the same aims. In fact, all you’re doing is acting like Steve Forbes who wants to restructure the tax system as if that will solve all of our problems. And are you in favor of Bush’s tax cuts for the rich?
June 30th, 2007 at 5:24 pmAnd then there is JMOHR with it’s straw man…
Typical Islamo-Stalinist Lefties.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pmPolls mean nothing to the White House. As Bush gives speeches he says what Americans want as it is in his mind. He doesn’t look at poll numbers. Now President Cheney laughs at Americans as he knows they are just followers and will do nothing. That’s why his mission is successful. Karl Rove is busy setting up the one party system. The Supreme Court is now in place to dismantle Civil Rights, Woman’s Rights and Voting Rights. Small set back in the immigration bill, but no problem. The Supreme Court will bring back the 1950’s and have minorities on chain gangs to do the field work, thereby not needing the immigrates. Look right now the immigrates get 3 dollars an hour. Having minorities do the same job for 1 dollar as they do their kill time. Thanks to Gitmo, minorities can be put in jail without being charged and stay for life. Things are going great and soon President Cheney’s mission will be completed. All this was done in 6 years with the help of the GOP, Media, Journalist and others who support the Dictator. Even military families who has lost love ones have supported President Cheney plan. Now that most of the truth is out about the illegal invasion of Iraq and how Bush out right lied to the American people. They still support what he wants to do as the plan is for all 160,000 soldiers in Iraq are to die in General Pace’s 10 year plan. At lease all the military families will know that their lost isn’t the only one. NBC showed a Mother of a dead soldier who said she didn’t want her son’s death to mean nothing and she wanted the troops to stay in Iraq until the mission was completed no matter what it took. Now she knows the mission was a lie but her pain and lost can only be relieved by staying the course. She supports the puppet Bush and believes every word he says even knowing he’s lying.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:27 pmCT, half of these Lefties ARE Islamo-Stalinists, but they will never admit it.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Actually, I’m an atheist so you couldn’t classify me as Islamic. Also, I am more partial to Trotsky than I am to Stalin.
If you knew what these meant, you’d know that Stalinism and Islam are radically different ideas. Why don’t you pick two terms that are actually similar like Christian-Intolerent?
June 30th, 2007 at 5:28 pmComment by Vinnie — June 30, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Here’s the definition you ignorant Lefty:
Islamo-Stalinism: synthesis of the most retarded aspects of the Islam-loving Left and Stalinism.
Islamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
Also known as a Dhimmi.
Definitions by PRIMVS INTER PARES, The Joker
June 30th, 2007 at 5:31 pmWhat clever name calling….yawn
June 30th, 2007 at 5:33 pmHow about?
Christian-Barbarism – The idea that the Christian God is the only God and that He says it’s ok to kill entire non-Christian cultures and not have to respect anybody that doesn’t believe in this God.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:34 pmXboxes and PS2s are liberal toys used by liberals to block out reality
Comment by FDR
Admit it, you’re saving up all your troll money for your junior college admissions in the fall. If you had any extra you could probably splurge on one date this summer, but alas, it’s not to be.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:36 pmComment by Vinnie — June 30, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
It’s Okay.
Needs work though, it doesn’t roll of the tip of the tongue quite like Islamo-Stalinism.
Try something that you can put an “O” on at the end.
Like… Judeo-Leninism and the such.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:38 pm“Progressives†are starting to remind me of skid row alcoholics. They keep on talking about how they will get off the sauce and how they want to rip out the Shrubs & Bushes and plant trees. So then you go to pick them up and do the thing and they are fall down drunk again! Honestly am I the only one that sees that correlation?
June 30th, 2007 at 5:40 pm“Progressives†are starting to remind me of skid row alcoholics. They keep on talking about how they will get off the sauce and how they want to rip out the Shrubs & Bushes and plant trees. So then you go to pick them up and do the thing and they are fall down drunk again! Honestly am I the only one that sees that correlation?
Comment by freedomrings
I’m sure they’d love your opinion of progressives at any neocon site. Why don’t you recruit at one of them.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:44 pmfreedomrings,
Yes.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:46 pmI’m sure they’d love your opinion of progressives at any neocon site. Why don’t you recruit at one of them.
Comment by shane — June 30, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
So, Shane you don’t see the correlation? Maybe you’re too drunk? Progressives also remind me of smokers at this point. You all keep on kidding yourselves about how your smoking is no problem and you can quit if it gets bad. Then the REAL ID ACT stops you from being able to buy smokes and you want to blame someone when you could have at least protested but instead you sat around smoking and drinking too! Am I the only one here that sees that correlation?
June 30th, 2007 at 6:15 pm“Why, because they don’t agree with you cowards?”
Good one, michael. Indeed: nyah nyah nyah. Thanks for raising the level of discourse yet again.
Are you in junior high or grade school?
June 30th, 2007 at 6:21 pmBy the way that is not meant to be offensive to drunken smokers or smoking drunkards! I’m pointing out that progressives act like addicts in many ways and do nothing but post useless diatribe. Am I the only one that sees the correlation?
Typical progressive comment, “Duuu what du el do ya wanna pretest for we gotta stay cool or day dwill pud us on da list?? EEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeee!”
June 30th, 2007 at 6:22 pm“Typical Islamo-Stalinist Lefties.”
Typical Christo-Mussolini Righties.
June 30th, 2007 at 6:22 pmI’m pointing out that progressives act like addicts in many ways and do nothing but post useless diatribe. Am I the only one that sees the correlation?
Freedomrings: The condition you speak of knows not party lines. Why not paint all inane posts as such rather than tacitly condone the moronic ramblings of the right while condemning progs?
June 30th, 2007 at 6:26 pmIf 77% of Americans disapprove of the war in Iraq, now could be the time to introduce another way to start impeachment proceedings by citizens, thus bypassing the reluctance and downright ignorance of our representatives. According to the link below, this procedure was successful in the 1830 impeachment of a federal judge.
http://impeachforpeace.org/ImpeachNow.html
June 30th, 2007 at 6:27 pmI was just reading an article ant it just so happens that Forrest Gump invented the “Progressive Movement†believe it or not! Apparently he did it between inventing space travel and playing ping-pong in China!
June 30th, 2007 at 6:29 pmIn fact, all you’re doing is acting like Steve Forbes who wants to restructure the tax system as if that will solve all of our problems. And are you in favor of Bush’s tax cuts for the rich?
Yes, I am in favor of Bush’s tax cuts for those burdened by the highest taxes!
June 30th, 2007 at 6:29 pmFreedomrings: The condition you speak of knows not party lines. Why not paint all inane posts as such rather than tacitly condone the moronic ramblings of the right while condemning progs?
Comment by dbadass — June 30, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
You made a great point! However by stating that you are potentially instigating an insurgency and the government may put me on a list so I can’t agree with you since you may be an agent? Go someplace else and get them to agree with you ;) On a serious note sometimes basements have Radon gas so everybody here living in one might want to get a test kit :)
June 30th, 2007 at 6:42 pmI have to give it to the one troll on duty here…he/she can type fast.
But still, just a chimpy leg humpin biotch.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:19 pm“Comment by Katie
You’ll need to prove that to be a “talking point.†Go ahead, put your academic skills to the test. You can’t just ask proof out of us.
If the congress has that approval rating, that’s their approval rating.
Prove yourself, we can’t just take your word for it.”
I am not denying that Congress has a 14% rating. I am denying that the Democratic Congress has a 14% rating. Congress is made up of both Democrats and Republics. The rating applies to both of them. And, if you were to really study the number, you would probably find that what people are the most mad about is the fact that the Republics are using the filibuster to block anything the Democrats want to do. You remember the “up or down vote” Republics, hypocrites one and all.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:19 pm“Ever been accused of being in crazy denial, Islamo-Stalinist?
Comment by Dean of Trolls”
That comes out of your troll mouths pretty much every day. And what is your point?
I was just trying to help poor michael. He needs to feel safe and being under his bed is probably the safest place he can be right now.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:21 pmAnyone besides me notice that the trolls are getting really defensive these days. It must be hard being a Republic troll these days. I know people at work who are Republics but they won’t admit it in polite company. They are so ashamed of what their party has become.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:23 pmI am not denying that Congress has a 14% rating. I am denying that the Democratic Congress has a 14% rating. Congress is made up of both Democrats and Republics. The rating applies to both of them. And, if you were to really study the number, you would probably find that what people are the most mad about is the fact that the Republics are using the filibuster to block anything the Democrats want to do. You remember the “up or down vote†Republics, hypocrites one and all.
Comment by Katie — June 30, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Wow, so 7% for the Rethugs and 7% for the Demegogs…. I’ll go with it doesn’t matter one bit and they and the bush garden need to be ABOLISHED
June 30th, 2007 at 7:33 pmIslamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
Also known as a Dhimmi.
Definitions by PRIMVS INTER PARES, The Joker
Comment by Mr. President ®
Of course you forget the fawlty logic of PIP and Joker.
It was the Apologist Righties, PNAC, AEI, Neo-cons that wanted to apologize for and free the muslims from mean old oppressive Saddam and give them *sniff sniff* Democracy with your Tax Dollars. Surely you can recognize the Orwellian hypocrisy of the Joker and PIPpy.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThe lefties said, no no, don’t go into Iraq, finish fighting terror in Afghanistan first. Another odd twist by these Jokers is that Leftists love Muslims, if that is so why did they NOT want to go into Iraq?
Sheebus, will the Jokers ever use the other half of that jellified mass awash in their media thickened skulls?
June 30th, 2007 at 7:39 pm207 You’re right Katie…very defensive repugs. Could it be they know they’re wrong? How dare anyone question the Faux Noise talking points they blather. It’s no help that they sponsor imbeciles in the WH.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:41 pmAnyone besides me notice that the trolls are getting really defensive these days. It must be hard being a Republic troll these days
It’s why their mental reflective abilities have become so Strausso-Orwellian.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:42 pmYes, I am in favor of Bush’s tax cuts for those burdened by the highest taxes!
Comment by m12
Warren Buffet pays 17% in taxes. The working class person ends up with nearly 41% of his income taxed when it’s said and done.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:49 pmâ€Progressive Weekly Magazine†just announced that the “movement’s†founder is tired of stepping on crap on the floor! Please stop all of those progressive movements on the floor or at least pick that sh*t up! Thank You
June 30th, 2007 at 7:56 pm“slamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
Also known as a Dhimmi.
Definitions by PRIMVS INTER PARES, The Joker
Comment by Mr. President ®”
So Mr. President and The Joker – Well, I guess you could call me an “apologist for Muslims” because I don’t paint all Muslims with the wide brush that you paint them. There are good Muslims and bad Muslims, just like there are good Americans and bad Americans and good Christians and bad Christians. If someone does something wrong, I will condemn them for their wrong deed. I will not condemn everyone who shares their religion or their country for the wrong deed that one person or a group of people do.
I love it that you all call your selves christians. I will guarantee you that there IS NOT a place in heaven waiting for you. On the other hand, THERE IS a special place in hell waiting for all you trolls and for the Bush Crime Family. Imagine how much fun you will all have being able to gripe for eternity about how those “libtards” look back this country and spoiled all your careful plans.
Recently I took on the persona of Dot (Animaniacs) on the WAPO site and I remembered Pinky and the Brain. I am going to start calling Bush “Brain” and not because he has one but because he is just like Brain “I want to take over the world”, and Bush is having about the same amount of success as Brain has.
June 30th, 2007 at 8:29 pm“Warren Buffet pays 17% in taxes. The working class person ends up with nearly 41% of his income taxed when it’s said and done.”
And then there are all those stellar rich Americans who pay nothing in income tax because they become a corporation and incorporate in the Caymen Islands. There is one house in the Caymen Islands that is the “home” of 14,000 corporations. And they all do that so that they don’t have to pay income taxes. So m12, do you think that is OK? Do you think it is OK for Haliburton to move to Duabi so that they will no longer have to pay income taxes on the billions they are scamming through their no-bid contracts with the Bush Crime Family?
June 30th, 2007 at 8:34 pmOnion Rings,
I asked this question below. I would like an answer.
“You keep calling for a general strike. Could you tell us what concrete steps you are taking to make that happen? Surely, you don’t think coming here and posting a call for a general strike will make it happen. You must be involved with some organization. Or are you attempting to initiate a national, general strike on your own?”
June 30th, 2007 at 9:32 pmWarren Buffet pays 17% in taxes. The working class person ends up with nearly 41% of his income taxed when it’s said and done.
Even if your numbers are true, Warren Buffet’s 17% outdoes the working man’s 41%.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:59 pmWell, since politicians only look at polls before making a decision, maybe this one will get them off their arse and withdraw the troops.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:00 pmAnd then there are all those stellar rich Americans who pay nothing in income tax because they become a corporation and incorporate in the Caymen Islands.
Since ‘nothing’ can be reasonably defined as $0, please name 3 rich Americans who pay $0 in income taxes.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:00 pmComment by m12 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
Successful drug-dealers/criminals, but I do not know names.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:03 pmSo m12, do you think that is OK? Do you think it is OK for Haliburton to move to Duabi so that they will no longer have to pay income taxes on the billions they are scamming through their no-bid contracts with the Bush Crime Family?
What do you mean by “OK”? Halliburton is a global business and they move to where it is most sensible.
Plenty of businesses are leaving US markets due to overburdened taxes and regulation.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:07 pm#221
You talking about Obama’s suppliers?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:09 pmOnion Rings,
I asked this question below. I would like an answer.
Comment by Vinnie — June 30, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
V,
June 30th, 2007 at 10:13 pmLook @ the top….
See the problem?
You ask me for discourse and in the first line you throw it away. What would be the point in responding to you? ECO-Nazis like you know everything so why ask questions when you can “fix†global warming? Why have any discourse with you at all since your goal is to be a provocateur? Why ask me anything at all when you know that my overall response to you will continue to be…
GFY v
You talking about Obama’s suppliers?
Comment by m12 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
June 30th, 2007 at 10:32 pmYou know it!!!
And you know Cheney and the chymp will be citing the 11%ers as the true Amerikan patriots, as they pour more gasoline on the fire.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:45 pmWhy, because they don’t agree with you cowards?
Comment by michael — June 30, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
No cause they agree with you cowards.
Who also happen to be fools.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:46 pmLet’s see — Four years and eleven weeks into Bush’s Iraq Fiasco, 77% of Americans say it’s “going badly.”
Well, duh.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:46 pm77 Percent. Gee, I don’t know, that seems like an awful lot.
Sure that other 23 percent wasn’t just one guy with lots of phone numbers?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:49 pmI really think Darth Veeper has a tiny speaker hidden in the chymp’s pillow and each night he broadcasts messages from “God”. Keep up the killing, the Middle East belongs to our destiny, shit like that.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:55 pmSupport the Bait. Bring the Bait Home Now.
I’m so tired of this shit.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:10 pmhttp://www.nbc5.com/politics/13588695/detail.html?rss=chi&psp=news
Obama Says He Doesn’t Favor Bush Impeachment
Moonbats must be furious!
I know Obama was making some big comments about the SCOTUS race case and about how the Democrats caved to those nominations. Perhaps Robert Byrd threatened to lynch him on the Senate floor.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:18 pmm12 > Obama is a little wet behind the ears still in the Senate. He has not learned to take bold stands such as impeachment yet.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:24 pm77% of Americans understand the occupation of Iraq is a disaster; that’s an enormous effing majority. Only the incredibly dim and desperate still cling to their fantasies that it’s anything but a strategic disaster.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:36 pm#232
He could be, yeah. Or he is afraid of the Senator from West Virginia.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:38 pmThe toll for the past three months – 329 – made it the deadliest quarter for U.S. troops in Iraq since the war began in March 2003.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:48 pmWhat would be the point in responding to you?
Comment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
You have posted many, many posts calling for a general strike. If you’re to be taken serious in the slightest, I think it’s a fair question to ask how one would even begin to do that. Of course, you have absolutely no answer.
I’m not trying to be a provocateur. (No, that would be someone who advocates some radical action.) I’m just calling you on your obvious BS.
At least the obnoxious trolls can be taken at face value. You are POSING as some kind of radical who wants to take down Bush and actually do something good for the environment. I am happy that I have shown you for what you are – nothing more than your standard right-wing troll who’s real name might as well be Steve Forbes.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:55 pmwell, looks like we were correct in saying that the amerikan sheeple are just pussies – cannot even conquer and subjugate a bunch of camel riding wogs. jeebus the amerikans are such losers.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:21 am“77% of Americans understand the occupation of Iraq is a disaster
Comment by st — June 30, 2007″
So explain to us in your words why it’s a disaster?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:23 am“The toll for the past three months – 329 – made it the deadliest quarter for U.S. troops in Iraq since the war began in March 2003.
Comment by st — June 30, 2007″
And your point?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:24 am“well, looks like we were correct in saying that the amerikan sheeple are just pussies – cannot even conquer and subjugate a bunch of camel riding wogs. jeebus the amerikans are such losers.
Comment by goose step now — July 1, 2007″
I can’t believe I am agreeing with this scumbag!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:26 amAs U.S. troops battle to retake Baghdad and surrounding areas, the government is reported to have lost its control of Basra where almost all of the country’s oil exports originate. The city, according to well-placed sources, is under the hegemony of militias who do not run its streets only but have imposed levies and taxes on oil output. “It may be too late for Prime Minister Nouri al-Naliki to restore control of Basra,†one source working for Iraqi intelligence said. The sources, who all spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution, point to the growing Iranian influence in Basra and most of southern Iraq. The loss of Basra to Shiite militias is a blow to current U.S. military operations mainly directed against Sunni rebels and elements of al-Qaeda group in the country. The four-month long operations in which tens of thousands of U.S. marines are involved have foundered due to tough resistance from various Iraqi groups particularly those linked to al-Qaeda. British troops in Basra are almost powerless as their previous military tactics to retake control of the city have all but backfired.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:28 am“cannot even conquer and subjugate a bunch of camel riding wogs. jeebus the amerikans are such losers.
Comment by goose step now — July 1, 2007″
Yes, thanks to the cowards on the left!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:37 am“77 percent:
Number of Americans who believe the Iraq war is going badly, according to a new CBS News poll. The disapproval level is a new high, “up from 66 percent just two months ago. Nearly half, 47 percent, say it’s going very badly.â€
Oh my God! Let’s pull out now! I’m sure you 77% have been trained in military operations and know what’s best for this country! I’m banking on the wise 23%
July 1st, 2007 at 12:44 amThe situation in Iraq is grave and deteriorating. Violence is increasing in scope and lethality. It is fed by a Sunni Arab insurgency, Shiite militias and death squads, al Qaeda, and widespread criminality. Sectarian conflict is the principal challenge to stability. The Iraqi people have a democratically elected government, yet it is not adequately advancing national reconciliation, providing basic security, or delivering essential services. Pessimism is pervasive. If the situation continues to deteriorate, the consequences could be severe. A slide toward chaos could trigger the collapse of Iraq’s government and a humanitarian catastrophe. Neighboring countries could intervene. Sunni-Shia clashes could spread. Al Qaeda could win a propaganda victory and expand its base of operations. The global standing of the United States could be diminished. Americans could become more polarized.
Attacks against U.S., Coalition, and Iraqi security forces are persistent and growing. October 2006 was the deadliest month for U.S. forces since January 2005, with 102 Americans killed.
Total attacks in October 2006 averaged 180 per day, up from 70 per day in January 2006. Daily attacks against Iraqi security forces in October were more than double the level in January.
Attacks against civilians in October were four times higher than in January. Some 3,000 Iraqi civilians are killed every month.
Sources of Violence Violence is increasing in scope, complexity, and lethality. There are multiple sources of violence in Iraq: the Sunni Arab insurgency, al Qaeda and affiliated jihadist groups, Shiite
militias and death squads, and organized criminality. Sectarian violence—particularly in and around Baghdad—has become the principal challenge to stability.
Sectarian violence causes the largest number of Iraqi civilian casualties. Iraq is in the grip of a deadly cycle: Sunni insurgent attacks spark large-scale Shia reprisals, and vice versa. Groups
July 1st, 2007 at 12:48 amof Iraqis are often found bound and executed, their bodies dumped in rivers or fields. The perception of unchecked violence emboldens militias, shakes confidence in the government, and leads Iraqis to flee to places where their sect is the majority and where they feel they are in less danger. In some parts of Iraq—notably in Baghdad—sectarian cleansing is taking place. The United Nations estimates that 1.6 million are displaced within Iraq, and up to 1.8 million Iraqis
have fled the country.
“and up to 1.8 million Iraqis
have fled the country.
Comment by st — July 1, 2007″
What’s your point?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:50 amThe state of the Iraqi police is substantially worse than that of the Iraqi Army. The Iraqi Police Service currently numbers roughly 135,000 and is responsible for local policing. It has neither the training nor legal authority to conduct criminal investigations, nor the firepower to take on organized crime, insurgents, or militias. The Iraqi National Police numbers roughly 25,000 and its officers have been trained in counterinsurgency operations, not police work. The Border
Enforcement Department numbers roughly 28,000.
Iraqi police cannot control crime, and they routinely engage in sectarian violence, including the unnecessary detention, torture, and targeted execution of Sunni Arab civilians. The police are organized under the Ministry of the Interior, which is confronted by corruption and militia infiltration and lacks control over police in the provinces. The United States and the Iraqi government recognize the importance of reform. The current Minister of the Interior has called for purging militia members and criminals from the police. But he has little police experience or base of support. There is no clear Iraqi or U.S. agreement on the character and mission of the police. U.S. authorities do not know with precision the composition and membership of the various police forces, nor the disposition of their funds and equipment. There are ample reports of Iraqi police officers participating in training in order to obtain a weapon, uniform, and ammunition for use in sectarian violence.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:54 amComment by Vinnie — June 30, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
1… Yes I have. You have no intention of taking me seriously so it is not a fair question but simply a question to make you the agent provocateur since you have the ulterior motive operating to spin what I say. Now as I have learned “progressives†like you are useless. So they will not take a day off. Moderates I know are willing since they are not full of shat like the extremes are. See Vinnie if I asked you to help you would take the opposition just because you’re a dick like that. My friends and I write lots and lots of letters. We post on many blogs though this is my first experience on a “progressive†blog and frankly it does not look good!
2… Yes you’re a provocateur. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group.†You are provoking debate to in your words, “I’m just calling you on your obvious BS.†That makes you a provocateur since you call for debate, unrest and argument! PROVOKE is the operative word. ONE WHO PROVOKES.
3… No, I’m sincere and not a poser and I am not a radical. I have been a Democrat and have for the most part voted party line since I started voting in the early 80ies. If we survive till the 08 election I’m going to vote for Ron Paul if he is still in the game by then. If Gore runs I will still stick with Paul since I’m sick of Clintons, Gores and Bushes. It is time for a different last name and someone that seems to have few or no ulterior motives and good character. Obama has no experience and worst of all doesn’t want to prune the shrub. Now that will be the conclusion of anything like civil discourse from me to you asshole!
Oh and before I forget,
July 1st, 2007 at 12:54 amVinnie if you want to cut greenhouse gasses simply STFU
Comment by Vinnie — June 30, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
1… Yes I have. You have no intention of taking me seriously so it is not a fair question but simply a question to make you the agent provocateur since you have the ulterior motive operating to spin what I say. Now as I have learned “progressives†like you are useless. So they will not take a day off. Moderates I know are willing since they are not full of shat like the extremes are. See Vinnie if I asked you to help you would take the opposition just because you’re a dick like that. My friends and I write lots and lots of letters. We post on many blogs though this is my first experience on a “progressive†blog and frankly it does not look good!
2… Yes you’re a provocateur. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group.†You are provoking debate to in your words, “I’m just calling you on your obvious BS.†That makes you a provocateur since you call for debate, unrest and argument! PROVOKE is the operative word. ONE WHO PROVOKES.
3… No, I’m sincere and not a poser and I am not a radical. I have been a Democrat and have for the most part voted party line since I started voting in the early 80ies. If we survive till the 08 election I’m going to vote for Ron Paul if he is still in the game by then. If Gore runs I will still stick with Paul since I’m sick of Clintons, Gores and Bushes. It is time for a different last name and someone that seems to have few or no ulterior motives and good character. Obama has no experience and worst of all doesn’t want to prune the shrub. Now that will be the conclusion of anything like civil discourse from me to you asphole!
Oh and before I forget,
July 1st, 2007 at 12:55 amVinnie if you want to cut greenhouse gasses simply STFlukeU
Whoops sorry for the double.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:57 ammichael, your glow in the dark hero watch is chiming, time for warm milk and nighty nite.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:50 amRepublicans – party of the war losers – party of the pussies who can’t win wars – party of anti-American cowards.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:03 amDamn, I missed the michael troll.
I think he’s avoiding me….
July 1st, 2007 at 2:26 amFreedom “My words are so important they must be bolded” rings,
As usual, you talk a lot but don’t say much of anything coherent.
“You have no intention of taking me seriously …”
No, absolutely not. Your idea of a general strike is just weird. If you could provide any kind of a strategy (i.e. engaging labor unions) you might gain some respect. But I asked for specifics on what you’ve suggested and you provided absolutely none. That just shows you are all talk.
“Yes you’re a provocateur.”
You and your posts annoy the hell out of me. I’m responding with my opinions. How does that make me different from the hundreds of other people who post here.
“My friends and I write lots and lots of letters.”
First, I sincerely doubt you have any friends. Secondly, letter writing and posting on message boards seems to be the extent of your involvement in politics. I’d say you’re ideally experienced to lead a national, general strike.
“We post on many blogs though this is my first experience on a “progressive†blog and frankly it does not look good!”
I’ll gladly concede that the whole “progressive” movement is a lost cause if you would leave and find somewhere else to go.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:37 amLet’s see, there are 11% who favor an additon to troops. Then there are 22% percent who say things are going swimmingly. I’m happy to report this was not our best and brightest who replied to this poll. Rumor has is that this polling group just came out of shawn inshannity hoedown.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:22 amvinnie…write a couple more incoherent sentences…your on a roll.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:25 amI’ll gladly concede that the whole “progressive†movement is a lost cause
Comment by Vinnie — July 1, 2007 @ 2:37 am
Vinaigrette-Judas,
That part of your message is THE ONLY FACT you have and you made it conditional by putting an “IF†at the end of that fact. You can’t change facts by including double entendre in your idiotic messages Judas. You never asked me if I had gone to protests you asked how I would go about creating a nationwide general strike to bolster the will of the people over our representative democracy. Can’t you read that progressives like you are worthless to any causes? Originally, I operated under the assumption that progressives would be the “get it done people†or the “make it happen people†but three or four weeks have opened my eyes to the truth that progressives suck. So, now I only point out the reality that your part of a movement alright, a bowl movement.
The reason my posts annoy the “hell†out of you (as you so coined) is due to several other facts that you forgot about. For starters you are an agent provocateur and that makes you the equivalent of a little boy who likes to torture puppies and kittens. After all you admitted your position several times since you are only here to fluck with me. Another reason that my posts annoy you is that they challenge your positions. One of your positions is that a carbon tax will help reduce global warming. Aside from the obvious problems with such a thing, money is no replacement for rationing except to feed the tank of your greed. It isn’t that I’m right and you’re wrong since the truth is money can never buy love or happiness.
Finally, what has you most perturbed about my presence here is when I explained to you an easy way to reduce carbon emissions. Let’s review this; you believe that the carbon atoms in the air come from the things that people do like operate cars. You believe that hybrid cars will help to reduce the amount of carbon atoms in the air. Now on the other hand I believe that population overshoot has out stepped the available resources to the population and no matter what you say or do our fate will be the same as that of the St. Matthew Island reindeer herd or the fate of the original settlers of Easter Island.
Compound population overshoot with something called “peak-everything†and the truth rings out like freedom. Too many people, applying too much demand, degrade and ultimately poison the systems that contain the excessive demand. As you attempt to spin that fact like an addict you suggest hyper efficiency cars and such but never address the underlying or root cause of all the problems: our physical existence here in the billions burning the energy of your offspring.
I believe that if you were honest you would completely rethink your stance and realize that there are only a few choices and frankly they all suck. We can’t “build†or “grow†our way out of resource depletion and we can’t sequester carbon while destroying oceans and cutting down trees. Henry Kissinger labeled us all as “Useless Eaters†and while I hate labels he is correct. Our lives have become meaningless and even silly and that should be of no surprise to anyone.
You wish to cut carbon through taxation. This sends shivers up and down my spine since I intuitively realize your purpose even though you may not. You don’t want to ration fossil fuel since you will have to do with less energy. Carbon taxation’s purpose is to foster something called “demand destruction†by hook or by crook the wealthy will increase the energy pool available to them while burdening everybody else with debt and diminishing expensive energy. Driving hybrids is not the same as conservation or cessation.
So, in the spirit of humanity if you sacrifice the lives of your family and yourself Vinnie, you would reduce emissions (only fractionally) and fractionally reduce resource demand thusly adding a fraction of a nanosecond to humanities TTL. As I stated on the thread you bookmarked you are looking for the best of both worlds Vinnie. You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to continue to use oil and at the same time attempt to limit everyone else’s use of oil and make the determining factor $$$$MONEY$$$$. Not quantity based rationing and conservation leading to cessation but demand destruction via $$$$MONEY$$$$.
Now, go on and blow it out of your exhaust pipe since the GREEN you are about is $$$$$. All one needs to do is follow the money to realize that you are like I said an agent provocateur. You have been defending the oil companies, factories, corporations and the plutocrats the whole time and the sick truth is that you may not even realize it. You are part of a pyramid scheme and that isn’t all that progressive.
If you were sincere about pollution reduction you would want rationing and conservation leading to cessation. Since you are insincere, load your family and yourself in a car and drive off a cliff and GFY
July 1st, 2007 at 9:21 amWhy do you put everything in bold? Do you really think your post is so important the whole thing must stand out? Looks like one of those long rants that just it not worth reading.
Back to the topic. Funny that the war is still more popular than the new congress. And still Pelosi blames everyone else
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/06/30/MNGSCQOVNF1.DTL
ROTFL
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:02 am