REPORT: Public Expresses Solid Opposition To Bush On Iraq
REPORT: Public Expresses Solid Opposition To Bush On Iraq
This week, Senators Richard Lugar (R-IN) and George Voinovich (R-OH) joined a growing chorus of conservative voices dissenting from the administration on the war in Iraq. Lugar said that victory in Iraq is “almost impossible.” Voinovich predicted that “many of us are going to look at legislation that will limit the number of troops.”
But while conservative lawmakers are dissenting in greater numbers, the White House is still insisting that we are making progress in Iraq. As recently as June 18, Tony Snow maintained that President Bush is “impressed and reassured by the progress [Iraq is] making on political, security and economic reforms.” Despite these rosy assessments however, recent public opinion polls suggest that most Americans aren’t buying what the President is selling.
According to an analysis of public opinion polls by American Progress fellow Ruy Teixeira, 54 percent of Americans believe that the situation in Iraq has gotten worse and only 29 percent believe that the United States is winning the war on terrorism:
Despite Lugar’s criticisms of the Bush administration, he has no intention of acting on his rhetoric. Earlier this week he said that congressional measures aimed at curtailing U.S. military involvement in Iraq, including “so-called timetables, benchmarks,” are “very partisan” and “will not work.” But the American public broadly supports pulling out troops:
As Teixeira notes, the “public’s verdict on the surge is clear. We can only hope that this overwhelming opinion will embolden more and more members of Congress to call for (as Sen. Voinovich put it) ‘a comprehensive plan for our country’s gradual military disengagement’ from Iraq.”
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And public’s opinion matters?
June 30th, 2007 at 9:20 amHey, I know. Let’s just stay with the ruling minority!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:26 amFunny how so few people are protesting but always have time to take a poll. Like here is a good question…
Who thinks posting diatribe will stop the war?
Who thinks that a strike/stay at home protest is action through inaction?
Who is going to go to a large protest march this month?
Who thinks the 1st Amendment is silly?
June 30th, 2007 at 9:26 amREPORT: Public Expresses Solid Opposition To Bush On Iraq
REPORT: Clearly That Doesn’t Count For Much Given That You’ve Posted This Same Story 438 Times Previously
Seriously, if his name was Edward I. Dontcarewhatthepollssay would that help you figuring this shit out ?
June 30th, 2007 at 9:28 amEither it emboldens more members of Congress to take action or the people will sweep these monkeys out of office when their terms are up.
The ultimate power WILL finally rest with The People who will hold these fools’ feet to the fire.
As for Presidential candidates, the difficult questions must be asked right now and, if they are reticent about stating the “how” of accomplishing the will of the american people (war, health care, open borders) then the People will reject them.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:33 amAnd public opinion matters?
Comment by No-one in particular — June 30, 2007 @ 9:20 am
June 30th, 2007 at 9:40 amNot a bit!
Uh. Too hungover to troll…
June 30th, 2007 at 9:41 amThat’s a nice super majority wanting out. Now about those expensive terrorist creating military bases…
June 30th, 2007 at 9:42 amUh. Too hungover to troll…
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 9:41 am
June 30th, 2007 at 9:42 amYou’re no troll, so shut up.
Never even heard of you you moron. You shut up.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:45 amHey, I know. Let’s just stay with the ruling minority!
Comment by Quizmos
They have a tendency, over the centuries, to drive the yellow and black shortbus, passengers drunken with amoral avarice, a goldenspooned oedipus at the helm, over cliffs edge time and again.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:46 amUh. Too hungover to troll…
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 9:41 am
HUnGOVeR!!!!*!!!!*!!!!*!!!!*!!!!*!!!!!!!!*!*!*!*!
Are YOU TELlING ME ThAT YOU ABuSE ALCOHOL!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!
Gaydar3000
I aM ASHAMeD Of YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*!*!*!**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I ThOUGHT YOU KNeW BETtER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*!*!*!*!*!*!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:47 amI GUeSS I WaS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…
There is no troll, like a hungover troll…
June 30th, 2007 at 9:51 am‘Progress’…yes, Progress is the word used now to describe what’s happening in Iraq….
It is an elastic word,and unmeasurable.
That is why it is frequently used now….
June 30th, 2007 at 9:51 am‘We are making progress…’ and that means really nothing,and it can mean also a lot..but there is no way of putting your finger on anything…
These people should be kept under surveillance.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:52 amWho are these 25%? Even the most liberal people I know realize that cutting and running immediately means President Hillary is sending them back in 2 years.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:53 amYeah. I was drinking until six this morning. Got a problem with it?!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:54 amWillyloman,
I apologize for calling you an Islamo-Stalinist last night.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:54 amIt was really just Snowball.
I heard one of the Generals assurting that the “proof” that there was progress being made, was the fact that more US troops where being killed.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:55 amSomehow, his logic dictated that this was evidence of a more desperate insurgancy and more conflict between them and our soldiers.
They have a very strange way of measuring “progress”
Yeah. I was drinking until six this morning. Got a problem with it?!
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Well, Shit.
I’m STILL DRINKING!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:55 amHold on let put on my troll-face
June 30th, 2007 at 9:56 amAll your onion rings belong to us.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:56 amThat’s better!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:57 amWho are these 25%? Even the most liberal people I know realize that cutting and running immediately means President Hillary is sending them back in 2 years. Comment by m12
The 25% are chickenhawks of course. Besides it was 10 years after Bush Sr cut and run until Junior sent them back.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:57 am“Leahy (D-VT) and Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), the chairmen of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees respectively. “Whether or not we have the benefit of the information we have directed you to provide by July 9, we will take the necessary steps to rule on your privilege claims and appropriately enforce our subpoenas backed by the full force of law.”"
Pathetic. They aren’t enforcing their subpoenas. They’re threatening to enforce them.
Typical democrat pussyfooting.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:58 amI apologize for calling you an Islamo-Stalinist last night.
Comment by AVGVSTINVS of PiPpo
Thanks. But I’ve been called worse by my mother. I think she actually called me an Islamo-Stalinist just last week.
But again, thanks.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:58 amWelcome, Mr. President.
What can we do for you today? As you know, we all serve at your your pleasure.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:59 amIf America does NOT leave Iraq now there will be no chance of reconciliation from sectarian wars in Iraq
Leave them to sort this mess out now before its TOO LATE
Idiots
June 30th, 2007 at 10:00 amI apologize for calling you an Islamo-Stalinist last night. Comment by AVGVSTINVS of PiPpo
Okay who stuck the lump of coal back into PIPs chest? =)
June 30th, 2007 at 10:00 amWelcome back, Mr. President. Your TeliTubbies high chair is ready for you. Will you be having you usual “PBR in a SippyCup” this morning?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:01 amThese stats prove nothing.
Take individuals like, oh I don’t know… The Joker.
He wants to leave Iraq so the Muslims will all kill each other, so of course he would say that things are worse.
However these stats do not differentiate between the various reasons why people feel the way they do.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:01 amWelcome, Mr. President.
What can we do for you today? As you know, we all serve at your your pleasure.
Comment by DemocraticMajority — June 30, 2007 @ 9:59 am
June 30th, 2007 at 10:02 amBend over and let Cheney reem you real good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These stats prove nothing. Mr. President
They do prove one thing… that no one cares, Executive or Legislative, about the will of the people anymore.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:03 amThanks. But I’ve been called worse by my mother. I think she actually called me an Islamo-Stalinist just last week.
But again, thanks.
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 9:58 am
No problem.
Man, but that Snowball jerk was a real Islamo-Stalinist.
It was sick.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:04 amVery well, Mr. President.
But please ask Mr. Cheney not to shoot us in the face.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:04 amJust to clarify; Is there such a thing as a Islamo-Maoist?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:05 amOkay who stuck the lump of coal back into PIPs chest? =)
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 10:00 am
What?
I was wrong about willyloman, so I apologized.
Snowball on the other hand is another story…
June 30th, 2007 at 10:06 amBend over and let Cheney reem you real good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President ®
His pacemaker would probably blow out before you even got your pants down around your ankles. LOL [:~P
June 30th, 2007 at 10:07 amSo 43% believe that the situation is getting better or staying the same, even though Bush’s numbers hover around 30%. Sounds as if some of those who dislike Bush right now are still hip to the war.
If the libteenies werent busy assjacking the military every chance they get, we might be able to win this thing quicker.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:07 am#25 Agreed wholeheartedly! Everyone is getting sick of the pussyfooting Dems who are idly threatening every day. What’s that all about anyway? All they’re succeeding in doing is turning off people who voted them into office during the midterms! People (dems) are repudiating them by the droves these days. Hopefully, before it is too late, they will realize their folly in issuing continuous “idle threats”.
This is the new mandate to the Dems (and candidates, too!): “Either crap or get off the pot!”. It’s “overtime” now and the People will definitely “shoot the messenger” in 08 if you fail to enact the overwhelming mandate of the people.
After all, you were voted into office as the “messenger of hope” that this corruption would be brought to justice…..now you’ve become the “messenger of bull$hit”….pure, unadulterated bull$hit!
Out with the Turds!! Vote for The Third!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amWhat? I was wrong about willyloman, so I apologized.
Snowball on the other hand is another story…
Comment by Mr. President ®
Even the Grinches lump of coal finally became a real heart again…=)
June 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amJust to clarify; Is there such a thing as a Islamo-Maoist?
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 10:05 am
Patience, patience. Islamo-Stalinism is bad enough.
By the way, if you “google” the term “Islamo-Stalinism” you will get results that date back to ‘04 (maybe earlier) so this is a legit term.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amNot quite awake yet Mr P?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:09 am[rattle rattle]
For your information, and as a public service from the Department of Homeland Security, please find below an official list of islamoterrorist groups. For further information, or if you wish to turn in your suspicious neighbour, please call our toll-free line 1-800-SECURITY.
1. Islamo-Stalinist
June 30th, 2007 at 10:10 am2. Islamo-Maoist
3. Islamo-Eurosocialist
4. Islamo-Fidelists
#39 Unfortunately, neither you nor the Bush Cabal can identify what “winning” actually means….never have and never will because it’s impossible to do so. This is NOT OUR WAR/NEVER WAS OUR WAR/ AND WE MEDDLED OURSELVES INTO THEIR CIVIL WAR. This is precisely why winning is definitely NOT possible. Besides, what is “winning”…..would it be “winning the heart and minds of those dead innocent Iraqis??”….or perhaps it would be “winning the heart and minds of the families of our dead military”….which would it be now??
June 30th, 2007 at 10:10 amVery well, Mr. President.
But please ask Mr. Cheney not to shoot us in the face.
Comment by DemocraticMajority — June 30, 2007 @ 10:04 am
Ah yes, you mean the patented move,
The Cheney Punch ™
June 30th, 2007 at 10:10 amsuspicious neighbour
Ok. Who’s the limey?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:11 amBesides, the stats have clearly shown that the “surge” has resulted in the three bloodiest (casualty ridden) months since our illegal invasion!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amPatience, patience. Islamo-Stalinism is bad enough.Mr. President
Well then, we have created a new classification of the rabid over zealous left. I am pleased.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amBy the way, if you “google†the term “Islamo-Stalinism†you will get results that date back to ‘04 (maybe earlier) so this is a legit term.
Comment by Mr. President ®
Eh? Theocratic Fanatical/Atheist Communism? WTF?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amThey do prove one thing… that no one cares, Executive or Legislative, about the will of the people anymore.
You must have missed the immigration debate and withdrawal due to overwhelming public outrage. More than likely because your man was busy withdrawing from you. Fata$$.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amTo inject a touch of levity into a typical depressing day in the US: go to http://www.huffingtonpost.com and check out their headline today: Bush has lost his “MoJo”??? Heh-heh! When did he ever have it?? He’s lost more than his MoJo – he’s totally lost his marbles.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:13 amEven the Grinches lump of coal finally became a real heart again…=)
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 10:08 am
June 30th, 2007 at 10:14 amWell my custom cyborg CheneySeries ™ pacemaker runs on nothing but coal, oil, and gasoline!!!
(Muslims and Democrats too, but that’s a secret)
I guess with the demolition of the ridiculous immigration bill, Bush is not declared an “official lameduck” and without any hope of a legacy which can be spun in a positive fashion. Too bad, dude! Can’t say that you didn’t corrupt everything in your path to do so…
June 30th, 2007 at 10:15 amOut with the Turds!! Vote for The Third!!
Please do so. Id suggest Ned Lamont, he is a solid anti-war candidate.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:15 am…….now……not not…..not now…..but really “now declared an official lameduck……Ththththat’s all folks!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 amHey Mr. President. You used to be funnier before. Try to improve or someone’s going to outstage you.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 amWell then, we have created a new classification of the rabid over zealous left. I am pleased.
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Not so fast, willyloman.
There is a protocol for this type of thing…
Islamo-Maoist ™ ® ©
It seems that I am owner of that term now!
Mwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 amJust kidding, you get the credit.
50. Comment by He Who Will Be Obeyed
I’m sorry, I thought that 70% of us wanted that thing killed 3 weeks ago. And the vote lost by 6 votes?
your man
and who would “my man” be? I know I am going to regret an open ended question like that in this room.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 am#54 The news on the street is that it will be Bloomberg for sure….with a potential running mate of Al Gore who will save this country from eating itself.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:17 amHey Mr. President. You used to be funnier before. Try to improve or someone’s going to outstage you.
Comment by DisappointedCustomer — June 30, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Take another advil and get some shut eye.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:19 amTypical Anti-troll-troll Arrogance.
Just kidding, you get the credit.
Comment by Mr. President
Now, if I cn just parlay this into a gig as a commentator on MSNBC…
June 30th, 2007 at 10:19 amBy then, charlatan Fred Thompson (what a bad actor at that!) and the rest of the Rethug quacks will have all shot themselves in the foot one way or another…..Hillary, Biden, Edwards and Lieberman will be repudiated for their initial invasion vote…..and just about every frontrunner will have either war blood on their hands or will be considered “on the take” with receipt of campaign funds from the Holy Trinity: Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance. Clearly, Bloomberg can set a new precedent which will make the other blackmailed candidates look like ridiculous prostitutes….People still don’t trust Obama because of his “no show” on the Gonzocchio cloture vote….so, I’d say….the field is still open for two who are “totally clean” to enter the race and save us from self-destruction.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:19 amNot quite awake yet Mr P?
[rattle rattle]
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 10:09 am
So, are you Mr. G.?
(shake, rattle, roll)
June 30th, 2007 at 10:20 amSir, no sir.
I will not get any sleep. This weekend is dedicated to drunken trolling and anti-troll-trolling. No sleep until Brooklyn.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:20 amCBS: 77 Percent Believe Iraq War Going Poorly
June 30th, 2007 at 10:21 amComment by DisappointedCustomer — June 30, 2007 @ 10:20 am
June 30th, 2007 at 10:22 amWell I don’t see you out there fightin’ for y’ right!!!!!!!!
When are the “BIG MARCHES?â€
When are the “ANTIWAR PROTESTS†that have more people than a trio?
What about a love-in who can “SHOW THE LOVEâ€
When is there going to be a national strike?
The progressive movement seems to be a sham when only a few people are willing to think progressively and do any or all of the above. Yesterday someone here said to me, “Strikes are one of the main elements of class warfare. Who exactly are we striking against? Wouldn’t that be workers striking against their employers?†This idiot has his head unscrewed. Unfair taxation is a weapon of the Plutocrats along with runaway national debt. Practicing our 1st Amendment right to protest and address the government with our grievances is essential to our liberty.
Some people here despise liberty enough that they would claim that a national strike would be (some individual said this) “an insurgency.†Unreal, can you imagine the depravity needed to make such a claim? The 1st Amendment allows protest. If 100,000,000 people march on DC that is fine but the USA is large enough and energy prices so high that many citizens that may want to attend will not be able to afford the trip. Out of those 100,000,000 people 100% of them who work would need to take the day off in order to go to the protest.
Some people here are actually calling for more taxes rather than abolishing the problem called “The Federal Reserve.†The nation implemented a “Personal Income Tax†in WW1 and then started collecting said tax during WW2. How is it that Americans managed to survive from 1776 to around 1913 without a personal income tax? How did all of those governmental buildings get built? None of the money collected by personal income taxes pays for anything the people use. Guess what that money (PIT) is used for?
The progressive movement is not a movement at all. Pure diatribe, apathy and hate and no end in sight. It almost seems like people do blogging like this to create the illusion that they want the war to end, etc. but in reality they just want the flakin Iraq oil too. I could be wrong and I hope I’m wrong and the people choose the 1st Amendment so that the Government Officials are given one last chance to turn this around. So far this is just a lot of HOT AIR
By the way have a great day!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:22 am#65: It’s just a matter of massaging the message, you know. And I know what just went through your dirty little dem mind. I didn’t say “massaging the sausage”, so don’t even try that line with me. I’m not gay. I’m a perfectly normal heterosexual. You hear me!?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:23 amComment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 10:22 am
You Gotta Fight!
…
For Ya Right!
…
Ta post a long ass stupid comment on TP that no one is going to READ!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:24 amI would agree veritas. Thompson is mearly the second string AEI candidate waiting to see how McCain does in the starting line-up.
A decent “clean” candidate is around on both sides though, and one actually leads in the Repugs polls (Paul).
But, Kucinich( poor Dennis to bad you’re short and we are shallow) still struggles amoung Dems.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:24 am#66: That’s because I’ve already won my right to party, you know.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:25 amWow; freedomrings can cut AND paste! I am impressed.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:26 am#66: That’s because I’ve already won my right to party, you know.
Comment by DisappointedCustomer — June 30, 2007 @ 10:25 am
OK, sorry.
You know how it’s hard to get the message with the ill communication here at TP.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:27 amMr. Rove. My gaydar indicates something completely different.
Maybe Mr. President should classify that information.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:27 amI’m not gay. I’m a perfectly normal heterosexual. Mr. Rove
No worries. NO gay man dances like that.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:28 amOccupation Standing in the Way of Iraq’s Last Hope
June 30th, 2007 at 10:30 amComment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Oh why oh why does willyloman detest freedom so? Why does he hate Americans? Why is he an idiot when he had the same chance as smart people to love freedom?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:30 amBrown must seize the day – and break with Bush now
Every report from Basra in recent months has pointed out that the city is in the grip of armed strife between a variety of Shia militias intertwined with criminal groups. It is a chaotic contest in which, in the words of one British officer, “we are just another tribe” – though the British have the distinction of being the least popular and most conspicuous one, hence the fact that they are targeted by every militia. Even Blair publicly conceded that there is no al-Qaida activity in Basra, nor a Sunni insurgency. So Brown’s point about defeating terrorist extremism is irrelevant in Basra.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2114468,00.html
June 30th, 2007 at 10:31 amOccupation Standing in the Way of Iraq’s Last Hope
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 10:30 am
This is the stupidest oxymoron I have yet to hear
June 30th, 2007 at 10:31 amfrom you Islamo-Stalists.
THE OCCUPATION IS IRAQ’S LAST AND ONLY HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 10:31 am
June 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amTypical Islamophile Propaganda.
Looks like a troll circle jerk here. I think I’ll go back to bed.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amErratum: post #79) should say – “Islamo-Stalinists”
June 30th, 2007 at 10:33 amWhen are the “BIG MARCHES?â€
When are the “ANTIWAR PROTESTS†that have more people than a trio?
What about a love-in who can “SHOW THE LOVEâ€
When is there going to be a national strike?
The progressive movement seems to be a sham when only a few people are willing to think progressively and do any or all of the above. Yesterday someone here said to me, “Strikes are one of the main elements of class warfare. Who exactly are we striking against? Wouldn’t that be workers striking against their employers?†This idiot has his head unscrewed. Unfair taxation is a weapon of the Plutocrats along with runaway national debt. Practicing our 1st Amendment right to protest and address the government with our grievances is essential to our liberty.
Some people here despise liberty enough that they would claim that a national strike would be (some individual said this) “an insurgency.†Unreal, can you imagine the depravity needed to make such a claim? The 1st Amendment allows protest. If 100,000,000 people march on DC that is fine but the USA is large enough and energy prices so high that many citizens that may want to attend will not be able to afford the trip. Out of those 100,000,000 people 100% of them who work would need to take the day off in order to go to the protest.
Some people here are actually calling for more taxes rather than abolishing the problem called “The Federal Reserve.†The nation implemented a “Personal Income Tax†in WW1 and then started collecting said tax during WW2. How is it that Americans managed to survive from 1776 to around 1913 without a personal income tax? How did all of those governmental buildings get built? None of the money collected by personal income taxes pays for anything the people use. Guess what that money (PIT) is used for?
The progressive movement is not a movement at all. Pure diatribe, apathy and hate and no end in sight. It almost seems like people do blogging like this to create the illusion that they want the war to end, etc. but in reality they just want the flakin Iraq oil too. I could be wrong and I hope I’m wrong and the people choose the 1st Amendment so that the Government Officials are given one last chance to turn this around. So far this is just a lot of HOT AIR
By the way GFY if you hate freedom!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:33 amLooks like a troll circle jerk here. I think I’ll go back to bed.
Comment by gummitch — June 30, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Thanks for your two-cents!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:33 am#81: Come on. The fun is just starting. Don’t leave. You’ve got the right to party, ya know?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:34 amWhy does he hate Americans? freedomrings
Now I remember you. You repeat that all the time, don’t you? clever…real, huh, clever.
What kind of dance was that anyway? Rove had like a GI Joe Kung Fu Grip thing going on, then he hpped arounded like a bunny.
Kindof a Kung Fu Bunny Dance
June 30th, 2007 at 10:34 amComment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 10:33 am
No fair, you get to repost shit!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:34 am#82: Did you swallow a smart-pill this morning, Mr. President? You sound much smarter than I’m used to.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:35 am#70 I would agree with you that Paul and Kucinich are “clean candidates” ; however, they lack the political heft to become frontrunners. That being said, at least as I view it, the official “frontrunners” are all tainted in one way or another so the “knight in shining armor” may, indeed, be Bloomberg who wouldn’t need a dime from special interests to run a great campaign, BTW.
Al Gore is perched at a pinnacle of success right now which will net him greater kudos when the concert occurs on July 4. It will be a “gore tsuname” of popularity and I wouldn’t be shocked if he made some moves toward a campaign soon.
However, what I find hilarious at the moment is the neonazi’s desire for Fred Thompson and what that says about our culture of corruption. It silently speaks volumes.
Fred Thompson cannot and will not engage in a legitimate debate of the issues because he doesn’t know the issues. What’s more, his addled brain is incapable of grasping the issues since he’s so personally out of touch with politics.
As well, Freddie’s popularity among the mindless locksteppers harkens them back to their hero, Ron Reagan, who was also an actor and they want so desperately to believe that Thompson will be their “new Reagan”. This is seriously flawed logic. Besides, Reagan was asleep at the switch for his second term, we all remember that.
Regardless, it illustrates vividly how the “office of the president” has become a joke where we prefer an actor (a B grade actor at best) whom we know can “act presidential” at least regardless of his ability to handle the job….what does that say about the office of president in this country?
What it says to me is that the right is looking for another “understudy” to fill in for the position just like Bush has been doing while Cheney is actually running a shadow government….making Bush’s brand of government look like slick puppetry…that’s what.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:35 am#82: Did you swallow a smart-pill this morning, Mr. President? You sound much smarter than I’m used to.
Comment by Mr. Rove — June 30, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Yep… sure did… I took two Flintstones vitamins… heheheh
June 30th, 2007 at 10:37 amThe Cheney Puppet Show! That’s what we’ve got now. We certainly don’t need a “Thompson Puppet Show” next, that’s for sure.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:37 amMr President: heheheh
Ah. There we go. Back to normal mode of business, aren’t we.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:38 amWhen the trolls are out littering the threads with detritus early on a Saturday morning, you KNOW the GOP is in trouble!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:38 amAgain, Veritas, I agree. Kucinich’s inability to poll well and the positioning of the “B rated actor” speaks volumes to what truely ails this country.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:40 amThompson will say whatever AEI tells him to say. The only difference between him and Bush is that he can, in fact, speak.
how about this for a campaign; Gore/Kucinich vs Bloomburg/Paul?
Either way, we are better off than we are now.
Peace can only be returned to Iraq by a negotiated end to the occupation and an acceptance by Washington and London that the Shia religious parties, in alliance with the Kurds and influenced by Iran, are going to run the country.
You should take on board simple facts about Iraq that Tony Blair never seemed to grasp. The occupation is disliked by most Shia and Sunni Iraqis and is supported only by the Kurds. When the US and Britain overthrew Saddam Hussein and his Sunni-dominated regime in 2003 they made it inevitable that the majority Shia community would rule and Iranian influence would increase. The contortions of US policy over the past four years are largely a vain attempt to avoid this outcome.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:40 amPublic opinion isn’t going to matter as long as the public doesn’t let their congresspeople know what they think about Iraq and other issues. Unfortunately few people take the time to call or write their congresspeople, so it gives them plausible deny ability. They can say “well my constituents are not clamoring for us to get out of Iraq, so I’m OK”. If they start hearing from their constituents that they want us out of Iraq and if the congressperson doesn’t vote to get us out, they will be voted out of office, then they will care and do something about it.
It’s really easy to contact your representatives. Just do a Google search for the name of your representative and either call or e-mail them. If you want to e-mail Nancy Pelosi and let her know what you think, here’s the link http://speaker.gov/contact/. I write her every day. I’m sure I am in her kill-file by now, but it makes me feel better to vent to her every day.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:41 am#93: To be honest, I’ve been drinking all night and I’m still drunk. And when you’re drunk , you’ve just got to troll it out on Raw, DKos, TP, Huff and other places. Dem blogs are a barrel of fun that never stops.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:41 amI took two Flintstones vitamins…mr. President
Both Wilmas? or a Betty and a Wilma? I like to insert the Bettys.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:43 amm12,
Next talking point please, the “cutting and running” line is way old. Those old men that designed this war lost it for us, they cut Americans throats and ran a cabal, true cutting and running.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:45 amIraqi politics increasingly resembles Chicago during Prohibition in the 1920s in which criminal mafiosi and politicians are linked together and disputes are settled violently. Turf wars are endemic.
British soldiers now have no role in southern Iraq other than to provide targets. The only reason for them to stay is that the White House does not want to be wholly bereft of allies on the ground, and it would be embarrassing to admit the futility of the British presence over the past four years.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:46 am#93: To be honest, I’ve been drinking all night and I’m still drunk. And when you’re drunk , you’ve just got to troll it out on Raw, DKos, TP, Huff and other places. Dem blogs are a barrel of fun that never stops.
Comment by Disappointed Customer — June 30, 2007 @ 10:41 am
I’LL DRINK T’ THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:47 amCHEERS!!!
Tobey: What do you think will happen if US or UK troops leave? Pure genocide. Are you willing to take that on your conscience?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:48 amWhen will the Progressive Movement learn how to love freedom and utilize the ENTIRE 1st Amendment? Why do so many here hate the Constitution?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:49 amTobey: What do you think will happen if US or UK troops leave? Pure genocide. Are you willing to take that on your conscience?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Of course not. He is typical arrogant, ignorant Lefty, that thinks he knows how shit works. In other words, he is a
June 30th, 2007 at 10:49 amTypical Lefty Know-it-all.
Earlier this week he said that congressional measures aimed at curtailing U.S. military involvement in Iraq, including “so-called timetables, benchmarks,†are “very partisan†and “will not work.â€
F’in’-A right timetables for withdrawl are partisan: the American people partisanly want them – insist on them…the F’-off republican party partisanly refuses to do their job to deliver what the American people want.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:49 am.
Are you willing to take that on your conscience?gaydar3000
And killing 200,000 for oil profits with depleted uranium armaments is what, a sedative?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:52 am-=US forces fired blindly on the innocent=-
June 30th, 2007 at 10:53 am#106: What a hysterical reply. Got any reliable references (no vague websites accepted) for that figure?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:53 amAnd killing 200,000 for oil profits with depleted uranium armaments is what, a sedative?
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 10:52 am
No. But you’re assuming an awful lot.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:53 amMake that #107
June 30th, 2007 at 10:53 amWhat a hysterical reply. Got any reliable references (no vague websites accepted) for that figure?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Hey Gaydar3000, you’re alright.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:55 amHey ccokz… what a wonderful moniker. We should meet.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:55 amI am not an Islamo-Stalinist.
I’m an Islamo-Trotskyite.
We’re all having a barbeque at Frieda Kahlo’s later today.
Long Live The Islamic Workers Of The World!
LOL!! 8^)
June 30th, 2007 at 10:57 amComment by Tom3 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Typical Islamo-Stalinist Smugness.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:59 amHere’s an interesting take on things.
In our paper today, former Rep. Ernest Istook (R-OK) writes an editorial entitled “Opinion of Congress at all-time low.”
He states that according to the latest Gallup Poll, only 14 percent of Americans approve of the job that Congress is doing.
Here’s part of his explanation: “For one thing, Congress has learned that it shouldn’t mess with the U.S. military. Democratic leaders are making long, drawn-out efforts to pull our military out of Iraq, even though Americans realize the troops’ job isn’t finished.”
He also makes a point to frame the Iraq debate as a “Democrats vs. the military” situation. “That pits the new majority directly against the group most highly respected by the American public — our men and women in uniform” he says. That should rally the base.
That’s right, folks. The Dems won the majority in 2006 from voters who knew exactly what their plans were for our troops…in other words, voters wanted the troops brought home, but lost favor with the public when they attempted to do just that.
Istook says that the group that wanted the troops brought home, and who abandoned the Dems when they failed to do just that, is the “extreme left.” He says, “It’s hard-line ‘bring them home now’ attitude turned off much of the rest of the country…”
June 30th, 2007 at 10:59 amHey guys,
Guess which troll I am!!!
Here’s a clue:
CHENEY 2008!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:00 amOkay, #117 was me… you caught me.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:01 amWhen will American hating Americans learn that if they actually want the war to end they will need to practice their 1st Amendment right. Jack LaLane once said it best when he said, “Now ladies, now ladies, if you don’t use it you’ll lose it!†So when are the MARCHES, LOVE-INS, RALLIES and STRIKES start? When will the degenerates here crawl out of their parent’s basements and start participating in politics?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:04 amIraq body count puts the numbers between 66 and 78 thousand.
That number does not reflect insugancy committed homicide that are not specifically classified.
The Pew study as we all know has the toll of deaths caused by the occupation around 500,000 + (famine, suicide disease, insurgancy) and may be high, but some still refer to the number as gospel.
However, somewhere in between (the Pentagon says probably over 100,000 deaths in Iraq as a result of the occupation) is the real number.
Any website that says anything over 2, will be classified as a Propaganda Site by most Repugs, so, that kind of limits my resources to quote.
But we all know that it’s been pretty nasty over there since Uncle George came to town. Or do some still think there is “progress”?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:05 am#119: Screw that. We rule the world and the rest of the world better learn that fast or be destroyed in the process.
Right, Mr. President?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:06 amTobey: What do you think will happen if US or UK troops leave? Pure genocide. Are you willing to take that on your conscience?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Bush himself, in addition to several members of his administration, has said that if the Iraqis ask us to leave, we’ll leave. There is none of the blaming the Iraqis for wanting America to cut and run, none of the “oh the terrorists will win” or “the Middle East will collapse into chaos” when there’s talk of the Iraqi government asking us to leave. They ask us to leave…we are out of there.
But if any American who does not support this war, or member of Congress, suggests we need to bring the troops home? Oh no, we can’t do that. The terrorists will win. Al Qaeda will take over Iraq. The Democrats just want to cut and run. We can’t do timetables.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:08 am#106: What a hysterical reply. Got any reliable references (no vague websites accepted) for that figure?
You know, the number may be higher, as some reports suggest.
Does that make me “hysterical”?
Are you saying we didn’t go there for oil?
Does stating fact make me “hysterical”?
Do we not have Depleted Uranium Armaments?
Does pointing that out make me “hysterical”?
Or, is it that there is no real manner to support this kind of illegal action and so in desperation you have to attack the messenger as being “hysterical”?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:09 amComment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 11:05 am
Let me tell you like I told folks about one month ago.
Our goal is not to “steal oil”
June 30th, 2007 at 11:09 amWe invaded Iraq because Saddam was acting like a crazy dickhead.
Now, we have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Hence, we are learning from our mistakes and therefore we are not leaving Iraq.
“To implement these principles, I reaffirm now our willingness to withdraw our forces on a specified timetable. We ask only that North Vietnam withdraw its forces from South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos into North Vietnam, also in accordance with a timetable.” – Richard Nixon, Address to the Nation on Vietnam. May 14th, 1969
I’m not sure I understand why you can’t talk about a timetable for withdrawal. It’s been done before.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amComment by WC — June 30, 2007 @ 11:08 am
We have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Period.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amugh… coming in at 120s… looks like another troll-yard scrapple…
well, if you haven’t already, you all need to see this… good for the soul:
DNC Spokesperson Chews Up Her RNC Counterpart
By: Logan Murphy @ 5:40 PM – PDT
Since the failed car bomb plot was uncovered in London the cable news networks have gone wall to wall terror. “Hardball†host, Chris Matthews brought in DNC Communications Director, Karen Finney to discuss the politics of terror with her counterpart from the RNC. Finney makes quick work of the RNC hack, slapping down her talking points about the Iraq war the second they spewed from her mouth. This is exactly how you deal with right wing spin and lies — come armed with the truth and never back down.
Major kudos to the DNC for hiring Finney, they could use a few more just like her.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/06/29/dnc-spokesperson-chews-up-her-rnc-counterpart/
we could use a few more like her at TP also…
looks like the f’n snot-nosed troolls have taken over, again…
i miss getting good information from the comments here…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amhappy saturday, peoples…
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#119: Screw that. We rule the world and the rest of the world better learn that fast or be destroyed in the process.
Right, Mr. President?
Comment by Mr. Cheney — June 30, 2007 @ 11:06 am
You Cot Damn Right Cheney!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:12 amGood morning, trolls under my direction.
I think we should get underway here. First act, we must unionize.
I need some names, please.
As a reminder, TP natives should be more respecful towards the “trolls.”
June 30th, 2007 at 11:12 amWhen oh when will the degenerates posting here crawl out of their parent’s basements and start participating in street level politics? When will their parents learn to kick them out of the nest and stop sucking the tit of sloth?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:13 am#123: Uh. In the first place, you’ve got a reliable reference for that 200000 figure? There’s no proof of any harmful effects from Depleted Uranium either.
Finally, of course we went in there for the oil. What’s your problem with that? America needs oil – it’s an existential requirement – but the public might not have agreed with such a realpolitik casus belli, so we had to figure out some excuse for going in.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:13 ami miss getting good information from the comments here…
happy saturday, peoples…
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Comment by katy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Don’t you mean,
“I get good misinformation from the comments here…”
???
June 30th, 2007 at 11:14 am#129: I’m with you. When can I expect to get my union card?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:15 amGood Morning, Dean Troller!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:15 amComment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 10:40 am
There are only two preconditions for peace in Iraq.
When those two conditions are met, the hard task of burying the past and rebuilding the country can begin.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amMr. President, I’m impressed by your research concerning “Islamo-Stalinism.” You have proven that it’s a serious (hidden) problem througout the world. How so many could support the intent of Muslamoid dominance is beyond me.
Profess, senior troll. You’re the chief academic here.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amOur goal is not to “steal oil†mr. president
Mr. President, with all due respect, I have to say that you are “misunderestimating” the intelligance of the people. We know what the bases there are. We know there were meeting that Cheney hides from the people in the lead up to the war; we know about the “Hydro-carbon Law” and we know about the Niger Yellow Cake being written by an AEI Fellow in employ of the Vice President.
The trouble with facts are; once they are known, they never go away.
You can’t go back to the same old talking points. It looks pathetic, quite frankly.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amLooks like a troll circle jerk here. I think I’ll go back to bed.
Comment by gummitch — June 30, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Mr P/gaydar/etc/etc has totally lost it meth… It’s difficult to sit by and watch. We need to develop techniques for cyberspace interventions
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amDoes this mean we have enough votes for Impeachment now?
If the cons are jumping off the USS Bush, then why wouldn’t they be in the market for a new cause?
Pelosi and Reid – here’s your chance to get them on board!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amFrom TP’s archives:
From the Washington Post, 5/15/04:
Secretary of State Colin Powell emphatically said yesterday that if the incoming Iraqi interim government ordered the departure of foreign troops after June 30, they would pack up without protest, but emphasized he doubted such a request would be made.
… “If the provisional government asks us to leave, we will leave,†Bremer said, referring to an Iraqi administration due to take power June 30. “I don’t think that will happen, but obviously we don’t stay in countries where we’re not welcome.â€
Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001929859_govern15.html
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amactually, i meant just what i said…
and with posters like freedom screeching away,
it’s obvious the intention is to turn anyone OFF from
“participating in street level politics”…
a lot of nerve hanging around HERE telling
June 30th, 2007 at 11:18 amothers to get out of their basements blahblahblah…
.
freedomrings and everyone else who says ‘Drop everything and protest’…
It must be nice being able to do that with no concern for where dinner’s going to come from and how I’m going to have a place to live in a month. Unfortunately, _I_ and many others like me do not have that luxury.
Protests held during the week? 10am on a Tuesday? I can’t make that! I work! Unfortunately, due to many American’s demand for services on a Saturday and Sunday, many people work those days too. Our 24/7 society makes it virtually impossible to pick a day that works for everyone. Add to that the fact that everything costs so damn much and that the people with the power have chained us to our jobs with threats of outsourcing and hiring illegal immigrants, and bam. We’re toast.
Protests just can’t work like the 60’s anymore. Everyone has too many bills…rent or mortgage, car note, insurance, utilities, and many of us, WAY too many damn credit cards. Stop working to strike? *best Manager Jerk Voice* “Well, sure. But your job will be held by someone else who isn’t a ‘bleeding heart liberal’ who won’t go running to every two bit anti-establishment protest that comes around. You gotta be a team player, or I’ll let you go and find one of all those other people who are out of work right now, or if I’m really good, an undocumented worker to do your job, for half as much as I was paying you. Have fun…” *smirk* Unemployment denied because you walked off the job. Banks too empty to live while fighting the decision. High priced lawyers on the corps side to try to ensure that denial. Lights turned off. Collectors start banging on your door while they drain the last of your savings accounts. Phones turned off. Kicked out of your house and now you’re one of the homeless…
Many people deal with that. Freedomrings, that is why you aren’t seeing people do more than blog over it. We’re held over the corporate barrel, and if we struggle, we’re cut off.
Maybe we’re destined to be ruled by the Bush Cartel.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:18 am#138: Detox. I hope you’re not looking forward to infringing on my right to party.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amWe know what the bases there are. We know there were meeting that Cheney hides from the people in the lead up to the war; we know about the “Hydro-carbon Law†and we know about the Niger Yellow Cake being written by an AEI Fellow in employ of the Vice President.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amThe trouble with facts are; once they are known, they never go away.
You can’t go back to the same old talking points. It looks pathetic, quite frankly.
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Typical Islamo-Stalinist Lefty Defeatist Hysteric Paranoia
I’m already procuring a working list here. Lets see:
CT_V1
Mr. President
Flaco
The Joker
Those are the first set of trolls under my academic direction. More are to follow, more are to be named. Other trolls, you can apply at any time.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:21 amThe Iraqi people must come to the point where their desire for peace is greater than their desire for revenge and/or power.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 30, 2007 @ 11:17 am
This is something that utterly escapes the conservatives… They don’t believe in free will. They think that people are generally incapable of deciding for themselves, so they appoint themselves into a position of authority (why they are some how more qualified escapes me), where they make the choices. And then we’re all supposed to be thankful…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:21 amWhen, oh when, will American hating Americans learn, that the Progressive Movement is an obfuscation to produce plausible deniability that posters here don’t want the oil when in fact they DO and are willing to do NOTHING but post diatribe to prove it! Why do you hate the children of Iraq so much? Why are you willing to kill to protect your Mint Mocha Frappichino? Why do you want a dictator when you could have freedom?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:22 amWe’re held over the corporate barrel, and if we struggle, we’re cut off. jeremy
Have you seen Sicko? It deals with this very same issue.
I highly recommend it.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:22 am#147: Stop spamming this thread with your copy-paste screeds.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:22 amMr. President, I’m impressed by your research concerning “Islamo-Stalinism.†You have proven that it’s a serious (hidden) problem througout the world. How so many could support the intent of Muslamoid dominance is beyond me.
Profess, senior troll. You’re the chief academic here.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — June 30, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Thank you.
I take it you saw the definitions?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:23 amSource: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ html/ nationworld/ 2001929859_govern15.html
Comment by WC — June 30, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Wow! Actual journalism… :D
Since I’ve been back in Georgia, I’ve come to learn that the cons speak like liberals (because the majority of the population is), but act like cons. They’ve learned that the only way they can play the game is to tell people what they want to hear, but then do exactly the opposite of that…
I cannot wait to get out of here…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:24 amWe just have to be louder than the obnoxious trolls, guys. If they chase us away, they win. And they DON’T have the majority here… We do.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amAh, what I would give for a Registration system and the ability to nominate someone for banning. Lesse…24 hours before they can post after registering, and a system where we can give kudos and crappos to posters…crapos only able to be given if you have a certain number of cudos in a certain amount of time, say, way more than only 5 people could ever give each other. And yeah, you can’t give cudos if you’re a net crapo person, either. That’d help too. But I guess THAT will never happen.
Well, can we at least have a Killfile, then?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amTypical Islamo-Stalinist Lefty Defeatist Hysteric Paranoia
Comment by Mr. President ®
There you go! Disavow facts with slogans and labels! Nice example.
And by the way, now that I am elevated back to the ranks of ISLAMO-STALINIST I can retire for the day happy.
I will return to pursue the coveted title of Islamo-Maoist, later.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:26 amLesson #1 Islamo-Stalinism
Have these definitions committed to memory class:
Islamo-Stalinism: synthesis of the most retarded aspects of the Islam-loving Left and Stalinism.
Islamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:26 amAlso known as a Dhimmi.
Definitions by PRIMVS INTER PARES, The Joker
a lot of nerve hanging around HERE telling
others to get out of their basements blahblahblah…
Comment by katy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:18 am
If the shoe fits then get out of your parents basement katy! The shoe fits otherwise it would not matter! Your living in a basement, na na na na na na LOL
June 30th, 2007 at 11:26 am#153: Yeah, I’m sure you’d love a way to suppress the freedom of speech. You leftists you…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:27 amgood job, jeremy…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amdon’t let the screechers get you down… their job is to bring you down…
most here know exactly what you’re talking about,
and understand completely…
keep on writing and calling you congress people and
do what you can…
I take it you saw the definitions?
Comment by Mr. President ®
Multiple times, yes. I was most intrigued with your assertion of not having invented the term. Can you briefly explain to the dean how you came to make this correct identification, how you successfully applied the term, Islamo-Stalinism?
It’s also amusing to see the crazies here attempt to reject a sound diagnosis. Progressivism, it seems, must equal Islamo-Stalinism.
MAGNIFICENT!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amSicko is on our movie agenda. And you know the funniest thing? In the trailer, where the woman is saying that her ambulance coverage wasn’t covered by her insurance company? That exact same thing happened to us. And to boot, you can’t cancel your service except in *cough* open enrollment periods….”Oh, yeah, we cost you $700 in ambulance fees, but we’re going to continue collecting our $100 per month and $150 on 3 paycheck months and there ain’t jack you can do about it! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!” (I hate insurance)
June 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amCT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Check out Gaydar3000, does he make the cut?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:29 amFinally, of course we went in there for the oil. What’s your problem with that? America needs oil – it’s an existential requirement – but the public might not have agreed with such a realpolitik casus belli, so we had to figure out some excuse for going in.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:13 am
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Not an excuse…rather a damned lie.
Over 3500 American deaths, not to mention the injured, some who will never walk, or talk, again, all for oil. Yeah, America needs oil, but those that produce oil need a market in which to sell it.
Lucky for Bush that 9/11 came along, eh? Not only does it give him an excuse to invade Iraq, it virtually guarantees him a second term by using fear of terrorist attacks to intimidate ignorant voters into selecting him again in 2004. Didn’t matter how shitty he may have governed during his first term…he was the “war” president and America better not elect someone else.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:29 amWell, can we at least have a Killfile, then?
Comment by Jeremy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:25 am
Something needs to be done. This is getting ridiculous.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:30 amComment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — June 30, 2007 @ 11:28 am
I did a simple search on Yahoo! and found the following reference:
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/mod/comments/display/3792/index.php
But it was me and The Joker who gave the term real meaning.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:31 am“[A]ll major polls show that the public favors withdrawals, with strong support for a timeline or total pullout within a year.
6/22/2006
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/22/media-ignoring-public-opinion-on-iraq/
How many years in a row are we going to favor pull out within a year?
Almost 60 percent of voters say the U.S. should withdraw its troops from Iraq, with 40 percent who say get out immediately
June 30th, 2007 at 11:32 am12/07/2005
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/07/almost-60-percent-of-voters/
Looks like the people are warming up to the war if you look at these previous topics. 24% percent saying get out immediatly now vs 40% a year and a half ago.
Tobey: What do you think will happen if US or UK troops leave?
there will be a little more fighting , then there will be reconciliations where killers of occupation forces will be recognised as legal and freed from prisons , then they will rebuild their country better than before with all their national resources,
and Bush will look a fool – Bush knows this but his vanity keeps killing more US troops
June 30th, 2007 at 11:32 amComment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 11:32 am
June 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amTypical Tobey-Ignorance.
Looks like a troll circle jerk here. I think I’ll go back to bed.
Comment by gummitch — June 30, 2007 @ 10:32 am
No, party on gaydar/mr p/etc/etc… but try to find some real-world friends to do it with
June 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amFinally, of course we went in there for the oil. What’s your problem with that? America needs oil. Gaydar3000
Ok, you’re close…now work with me on this.
Do they give America the oil for free?
When have the highest profit margins ever been posted by Big Oil?
Did we go because America needs oil? or because Big Oil needs to sell America oil for…
Porfit.
Go on, you can say it. We went to war for oil profit for people with the ability to ste policy.
Not because America needs oil. BIG difference.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:33 am#166: Well, you liberals were always the ones with unrealistic vision and goals.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:34 amOur 24/7 society makes it virtually impossible to pick a day that works for everyone. Add to that the fact that everything costs so damn much and that the people with the power have chained us to our jobs with threats of outsourcing and hiring illegal immigrants, and bam. We’re toast.
Comment by Jeremy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Two years ago, I decided to unplug myself from the Matrix. It hasn’t been easy, but I’m almost there…
It started by detaching myself from the American Dream of owning so many things. I’d go into Target for a few things, and come out with $300 worth of crap I didn’t need. I started making lists, only picking up a basket, and then going straight for the things I needed, refusing to ‘browse’. I also stopped watching commercials. If I watch t.v., I watch two educational programs simultaneously, so I don’t get bombarded with the psychological marekting barrage.
I gave away or sold everything I didn’t need, and when I needed something new – I asked myself if it was a need or a want. Treats are necessary, but shouldn’t become the rule.
I started paying myself FIRST, and then my debt second. From there, I budgetted.
I don’t take on long term commitments to anything material unless I first have the money to do that.
In two years, despite a near poverty-level salary, I have paid off $25k in debt, and put away $5k. And it feels great to know that I don’t have to be indebted to the man for much longer.
It’s hard, and I know there are a lot of reasons and excuses for why we live in such debt, but if we don’t stop being consumers, we will be ruled by money, and money men.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:34 amA car ran into the glasgow airport terminal bein on fire
ccokzblog
June 30th, 2007 at 11:34 amComment by Mr. President ®
Per your request, I will now review responses to-date and decide whether to offer Gaydar3000 a position on the faculty.
Gaydar, before I consider you, would you be willing to join the troll faculty along with CT (the dean), Mr. President, Flaco, and The Joker?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:35 amfreedomrings and everyone else who says ‘Drop everything and protest’… It must be nice being able to do that with no concern for where dinner’s going to come from and how I’m going to have a place to live in a month. Unfortunately, _I_ and many others like me do not have that luxury. Protests held during the week? 10am on a Tuesday? I can’t make that! I work! Unfortunately, due to many American’s demand for services on a Saturday and Sunday, many people work those days too. Our 24/7 society makes it virtually impossible to pick a day that works for everyone. Add to that the fact that everything costs so damn much and that the people with the power have chained us to our jobs with threats of outsourcing and hiring illegal immigrants, and bam. We’re toast. Protests just can’t work like the 60’s anymore. Everyone has too many bills…rent or mortgage, car note, insurance, utilities, and many of us, WAY too many damn credit cards. Stop working to strike? *best Manager Jerk Voice* “Well, sure. But your job will be held by someone else who isn’t a ‘bleeding heart liberal’ who won’t go running to every two bit anti-establishment protest that comes around. You gotta be a team player, or I’ll let you go and find one of all those other people who are out of work right now, or if I’m really good, an undocumented worker to do your job, for half as much as I was paying you. Have fun…†*smirk* Unemployment denied because you walked off the job. Banks too empty to live while fighting the decision. High priced lawyers on the corps side to try to ensure that denial. Lights turned off. Collectors start banging on your door while they drain the last of your savings accounts. Phones turned off. Kicked out of your house and now you’re one of the homeless…
Many people deal with that. Freedomrings, that is why you aren’t seeing people do more than blog over it. We’re held over the corporate barrel, and if we struggle, we’re cut off.
Maybe we’re destined to be ruled by the Bush Cartel.
Comment by Jeremy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:18 am
LOL
June 30th, 2007 at 11:35 amLook you just became a counter revolutionary. What are you going to do when the jackboots kick in your door? Mmmmm? Regardless, you must protest but if you can’t there is nobody forcing you to do anything so STFU you agent of FUD. “Protests just can’t work like the 60’s anymore. Everyone has too many bills†that is some flibbin anti Constitutional shlit right there you walking garbage heap. Just excuses defending BUSH and WAR! You flak hole you are the government!
Since thinkslow continues to ignore breaking news of terrorist plots / attacks in Britain, I am once again forced to post in an unrelated thread.
No sooner had Tony Blair handed over the reigns to a new British Prime Minister, than terrorist organizations test the new pm’s resolve to keep troops in the middle east. These attacks serve no other purpose then to try to force policy change. Terrorists would NEVER do such a thing in America today, because they know we would “re-invest” in their region to promote democracy, but European nations tend to waver too easily (like Spain) and actually invite attacks.
Fortunately for the Brits, their intelligence / counter-terrorism task forces have left the terrorists unable to successfully execute their plans.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:35 am#169: I don’t quite get your point. We went in to get the oil. Period.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:36 amWe have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Period.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Like a good little ignorant troll, you ignore the main point of my post.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:36 amkudos to WC and willyloman …
June 30th, 2007 at 11:36 amthat’s the way to do it…
Typical Tobey-Ignorance.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Do you have a better idea, Mr P? Something practical and workable to get the troops out of there ASAP? Something real-world for a change would be nice.
If so, offer it up, and we’ll discuss. If not, keep your comments about other people’s suposed ignorance to yourself.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:37 am#174: Ok, freedomrings. How do you pay the bills if you get fired for protesting on the streets. Maybe a permanently unemployable person like you doesn’t get it, but even most liberals actually have some form of honor code. You know, like “take care of the familty”.
Jackboots? Whose door has been kicked in by the government?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:38 amLike a good little ignorant troll, you ignore the main point of my post.
Comment by WC — June 30, 2007 @ 11:36 am
June 30th, 2007 at 11:38 amYour post didn’t have a point, it was sarcastic Lefty twaddle.
Mr President why not do some reading http://www.juancole.com/
instead of my pet goat
June 30th, 2007 at 11:39 am(I hate insurance)
Comment by Jeremy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:28 am
SiCKO isn’t even playing in a theatre in my area… Just like an Inconvient Truth wasn’t either. Yet, you can see any violent movie going…
As for healthcare, I saw a study where 79% of tehpopulation is now in favor of National Healthcare for everyone, and would even be for a tax increase to get it.
We spend TWICE on our broken health care system than what other countries spend on universal systems, so the tax increase isn’t even necessary…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:39 amIraq is NEVER going to be stabilized to a point where the Iraqis can lead normal lives until we get the hell out of there. Things keep getting worse, and they don’t want us there. The American people, despite the conservative copporate media, have finally realized this and want out. It’s time to call our congressmen and let them know we support an immediate end to the occupation. We need to leave so that the Iraqis can finish their civil war and eventually reconcile.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:40 amIf so, offer it up, and we’ll discuss. If not, keep your comments about other people’s suposed ignorance to yourself.
Comment by Zooey — June 30, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Sure Zooey, but you have to realize that ASAP is your criterion not mine.
My plan is, again:
We have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Period.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:40 am#182: Why do you keep linking to this vague websites? If it’s not a respectable mainstream news bureau or a federal office, it’s worth nothing.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amComment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Of course. Suppressing freedom of speech is something every liberal does. I mean, we created Free Speech Zones, that keep our foes miles away from us, instigated warrantless wiretapping so we could keep tabs of those who disagree with us, have our buddies in the Supreme Court rule in favor of our suppressing of free speech, as well as other things like suppression of access to a day in court and legal council….waaaait. Now that I think about that, that wasn’t us. That….that was YOU.
All I’m advocating for is a system that allows for trolls to be rated as such on a _private_ site, and implement a system to ban the most gross of violations, such as namejacking, posting under multiple names, spamming, threadjacking, etc.
Then maybe we could go back to discussing this poll that says that the public is expressing solid opposition to Bush on the Iraq war. But I guess that’s just because 68% of America are…what’s that stupid term? Islamo-Stalinists? *smirk* Posting that tripe in every single thread would get a crapo rating from me if the system existed. Soon you’d have to change your tune or go back to Redstate…where, get aload of this…you so much as say, “Maybe the President is wrong about Iraq…” and it’s “Oh, we don’t want to hear you. Bye.” and *BAM* Gone.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amComment by Mr. President ®
That was an illuminating link, Mr. President. Besides the obviously disturbing photos, I find the passage from the Quaran to be ironic. Any takes on that?
Islamo-Stalinism is alive and well, and the rubes at TP couldn’t be any happier.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amGaydar3000, I don’t think freedomrings is a real person…
he just keeps copy and pasting the same stuff from weeks and weeks ago.
I think he is a Doom (1) video game with a virus or something. “jackboots” I mean, i know the reference, but, sounds a little Waco-Koresian to me.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:41 amTobey Tall, why not do some thinking?
instead of cutting and pasting
June 30th, 2007 at 11:42 amWe spend TWICE on our broken health care system than what other countries spend on universal systems, so the tax increase isn’t even necessary…
Comment by unbelievable
If I want to see SICKO, I’ll have to drive 100+ miles. Hopefully it be here in a few weeks. Disgusting…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:43 amSiCKO isn’t even playing in a theatre in my area. unbelievable
I know. I saw it yesterday. Only four theatres showing it in two cities.
Die Hard 4 was palying in 40
June 30th, 2007 at 11:43 amWe have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Period.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Would you like to see it become a filthy breeding ground for Capitalist Pigs like America is?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:44 amComment by katy
We could use your cooperation to forge a more respectful environment for the trolls under the academic direction here at TP. That would be much appreciated.
Sincerely,
The Dean of Trolls
June 30th, 2007 at 11:44 amMR PRESIDENT, Iraq HAS “become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters â„¢ like Afganistan did.” You are a fool. What you claim that we need to stay there and fight for is actually exactly what we’ve created there with our presence.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:45 amWe have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Period.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Thanks for your usual nothing.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:45 amWhy do you keep linking to this vague websites? If it’s not a respectable mainstream news bureau or a federal office, it’s worth nothing.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:41 am
It did win a best professional blog award, however. Also, Juan Cole is a leading academic expert on the Middle East. Most importantly, however, Cole is right more often than all the op-ed writers for the WSJ, NYT, WaPo, and Weekly Standard combined.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:45 am#193: Capitalist Pigs? You mean people who’ve made their own fortune and are well-off because of their efforts and luck? I’m all for a society where people won’t be punished for their own financial success.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:46 amI agree with you Jeremy. A rating system would send the trolls back to Repug sites where their sense of humor would wither and die a slow death amid the witless and inspid.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:46 amI mean, that is, after all, why they are here.
Would you like to see it become a filthy breeding ground for Capitalist Pigs like America is?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 11:44 am
As long as they get rid of the shiteating, decapitation, suicide bombing, Jihadi, martyrdom, fascist nonsense, no, I would not have a problem with that.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:47 amIt did win a best professional blog award, however.
But what kind of a guarantee is that? At least with a professional news bureau, you know that their income and future is dependent on the quality and accuracy of their reporting. With some blog… pfft.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:47 am#193: Capitalist Pigs? You mean people who’ve made their own fortune and are well-off because of their efforts and luck? I’m all for a society where people won’t be punished for their own financial success.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Please, spare me. Do you own the company you work for? Is the person who owns the company you work for wealthy? (I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you actually have a job.)
June 30th, 2007 at 11:48 amMr. President,
A solid academic gives meaning to the subject matter at hand, and you have done so with your work on recognizing, clearly defining and applying Islamo-Stalinism.
*Applause*
June 30th, 2007 at 11:48 amSICKO is playing in one theater in one city out of the three cities where I live amongst some 2 million people. Still gonna watch it.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:48 amWould you like to see it become a filthy breeding ground for Capitalist Pigs like America is? Wayne
Very nice. now how did I miss that one?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:48 am#202: No, I don’t own a company, but one day I will. I don’t want you to take away my only chance to get rich.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:49 amSince thinkslow continues to ignore breaking news of terrorist plots / attacks in Britain, I am once again forced to post in an unrelated thread.
No one forces you to come here Hitler…
The plot in Britian was foiled by a citizen…
No sooner had Tony Blair handed over the reigns to a new British Prime Minister, than terrorist organizations test the new pm’s resolve to keep troops in the middle east.
Or, as a rational person would see it, the attacks were because of the troops inthe Middle East. Why do you cons see everything backwards?
These attacks serve no other purpose then to try to force policy change.
Kinda of like the occupation of Iraq was an attempt to force policy change?
Hypocrite.
Terrorists would NEVER do such a thing in America today, because they know we would “re-invest†in their region to promote democracy, but European nations tend to waver too easily (like Spain) and actually invite attacks.
Be careful what you wish for… Our police foiled an attack not so long ago…
Fortunately for the Brits, their intelligence / counter-terrorism task forces have left the terrorists unable to successfully execute their plans.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 30, 2007 @ 11:35 am
No, it was a CITIZEN who prevented the attack, because their government is so focused on Iraq, instead of their own people… Much like OURS!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:49 am#202: No, I don’t own a company, but one day I will. I don’t want you to take away my only chance to get rich.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:49 am
So, you don’t own your own company. If you do have a job, is the owner of that company wealthy?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:50 am#174: Ok, freedomrings. How do you pay the bills if you get fired for protesting on the streets. Maybe a permanently unemployable person like you doesn’t get it, but even most liberals actually have some form of honor code. You know, like “take care of the familtyâ€.
Jackboots? Whose door has been kicked in by the government?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:38 am
You don’t pay your bills if you don’t pay your bills. You must protest or the Plutocracy will stand. Your argument is like that of a smoker. “I’ll stop tomorrow, I will. “ The cancer comes and you still crave another smoke! If you get fired for protesting even by staying home then you are an idiot. You should talk your boss into joining in since it is his or her nation too.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:51 amYes, JACKBOOTS! The 4th Amendment no longer protects your home and so if your IP Address shows that you post on sites like this they don’t need a writ to kick in your door. Now if you want names I can’t tell you names but the idea is that the dictator does not check his itinerary with me. The Constitution must be protected and you have excused yourself so GFY and go to your job at the Home Depot.
Comment by Zooey
Good morning, gracious mentor. I hope you are well rested for the challenges the day may bring to you.
Many blessings,
CT_V1, Dean of Trolls at TP.org
June 30th, 2007 at 11:51 am#198. Comment by Gaydar3000
One should really rethink the blind faith in the free market religion before your own God smites you with his greed.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:51 amou don’t pay your bills if you don’t pay your bills.
Ah yes. So you’re one of those slackers who “stick it to the man” by not paying your heating, electricity or water.
What a hero.
Is that your idea of a society?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:52 am#208: Probably. Good for him. I’ve got no problem with that.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amComment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Looky here, m’boy.
I didn’t deny that Iraq was a shit-hole already.
Frankly, it makes no difference what caused the shit.
You probably don’t know much about the Taliban controlled Afganistan, so I’ll let you do some research before you tell me the keen, insightful parallels that you have found.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amIf I want to see SICKO, I’ll have to drive 100+ miles. Hopefully it be here in a few weeks. Disgusting…
Comment by Zooey — June 30, 2007 @ 11:43 am
I don’t get Keith Olberman either.
Is still odd to me that Idaho is a neighbor of Washington and Oregon…
I know. I saw it yesterday. Only four theatres showing it in two cities.
Die Hard 4 was palying in 40
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 11:43 am
Exactly. But, I’ll but the DVD when it comes out, like I did with Fahrenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine, so I can loan to my friends and make up for the limited release :D
June 30th, 2007 at 11:53 am#203 A solid academic gives meaning to the subject matter at hand, and you have done so with your work on recognizing, clearly defining and applying Islamo-Stalinism.*Applause*
Wait, I thought conservatives and trolls hated anything to do with academics, considering they are allergic to facts, truth, and research???
Why don’t you two continue to blow each other out of the public view?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:53 amWell, you liberals were always the ones with unrealistic vision and goals.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:34 am
“Unrealistic” only in the context that you don’t agree with it. You would have us believe that no experts, no one in a position to know, have said that we can have a successful withdrawal.
Like Bush, who as we have learned was advised by experts who said that we needed many more troops going into Iraq, who advised him that Iraq would turn into chaos if we invaded, you simply disagree with that which doesn’t support your wishes. Anytime an NIE is released and Bush or Cheney don’t like the information that is in it or it doesn’t support their continued occupation of Iraq, they simply dismiss it or don’t read it, and that is that. It’s just like opinion polls. If a poll today showed 90% of Americans supporting Bush and the war, every Republican supporter of this war, from Washington State to Florida, would he wrapping themselves around it at every opportunity. And Bush and Cheney would be running to that poll every time they opened thier mouths.
But show poll after poll that shows America against Bush and not in support of his “war”? Oh, Americans are “disturbed.” They don’t understand things the way Bush does.
You do know that Cheney argued AGAINST invading Iraq in the first Gulf War, right? Had we invaded then, we would have experienced exactly what we are seeing now. Cheney didn’t want to go down that road back then. But now? Oh, Cheney says that it’s worth all the death and destruction and chaos now. Funny that he says that…Iraq was more of a threat to the region and to its neighbors back in 1991 that it was in 2003. Powell and Rice have in essence suggested this, back in 2001. I’ve got quotes from them if you’d care to read them. But you probably wouldn’t, because it would go against your support of this “war.”
June 30th, 2007 at 11:54 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider
Thanks for sparking up the conversation.
(this is not sarcasm)
June 30th, 2007 at 11:55 amComment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 11:51 am
So people are basically with you or against you?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:55 am#202: No, I don’t own a company, but one day I will. I don’t want you to take away my only chance to get rich. gaydar3000
and thus we come to the heart of the dilema. Liberals wants to keep the average working man from becoming rich by looking out for his fellow man.
i hate to be the one to tell you this, but BushCo isn’t looking to make you rich. They like you right where you are…
hopeful and submissive to the Market Driven Ideology.
You see, that keeps them rich.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:56 amCapitalist Pigs? You mean people who’ve made their own fortune and are well-off because of their efforts and luck?
There is no such person. Making it on your own means going out into the forest or desert and making it big from NOTHING. Otherwise, a pesron who amasses wealth is doing so off the system and taxes established by those who preceded him.
I’m all for a society where people won’t be punished for their own financial success.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:46 am
No, you’re for a society that rewards people who happened to have been born to wealthy people who could give him or her his $. Not the same.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:56 am#202: No, I don’t own a company, but one day I will. I don’t want you to take away my only chance to get rich.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:49 am
So you have no problem with the likely fact that he got wealthy off the hard work of people like you and others? Did you get wealthy off your hard work, too?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:57 am#220: Uh. No. It’s the remnants of the democratic nanny-state mentality that’s keeping me down. I could have set up my own business a long time ago if the laws governing salaries and taxes were less business-hostile than they’re even today.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:58 amThis is something that utterly escapes the conservatives… They don’t believe in free will. They think that people are generally incapable of deciding for themselves, so they appoint themselves into a position of authority (why they are some how more qualified escapes me), where they make the choices. And then we’re all supposed to be thankful…
Comment by unbelievable — June 30, 2007 @ 11:21 am
And thus you have perfectly summed up the 2004 campaign season ending on election day in America…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:58 amMr. President, you’re pretty funny, in an ignorant, ridiculous, dum and dumber fashion.
Are you referring to the Taliban that has recently resurged in Afghanistan as a direct result of Bush’s failed policies while we pretty much ignore it? Let me school you son. The chaos in Iraq is planned chaos. It’s what Bush and Cheney want. That way they can continue to plunder the US treasury as well as Iraqi oil.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:58 amAs recently as June 18, Tony Snow maintained that President Bush is “impressed and reassured by the progress [Iraq is] making on political, security and economic reforms.â€
-TP-
…all the more reason we should…
…get the hell out ASAP!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:59 am#222: I’m still working on it.
That’s the problem with you people. You’re always so envious at how wealthy other people are. For some insane reason you expect to be paid the same as the boss. I don’t have a problem with him being richer than me, because he’s the boss. He took the risks and set up the business. He deserves to be rewarded more than I or any other of us employees do.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:00 pmSo people are basically with you or against you?
Comment by Tundra — June 30, 2007 @ 11:55 am
It’s the neocon way…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:00 pmJackboots? Whose door has been kicked in by the government?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Wait until they find out how much meth you use, then it’ll be your turn. Everyone on this list is aware, I suppose, that the land of the free, so-called, has more prisoners than any other country.
“US prisons have become big business, housing 25% of all the people in the world behind bars, the largest prison population on the planet. …
http://www.prisonsucks.com/
The “war on drugs” has of course been managed as ineptly as Iraq; enormous costs and nothing to show for it but more problems
June 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pm#222: I’m still working on it.
That’s the problem with you people. You’re always so envious at how wealthy other people are. For some insane reason you expect to be paid the same as the boss. I don’t have a problem with him being richer than me, because he’s the boss. He took the risks and set up the business. He deserves to be rewarded more than I or any other of us employees do.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Sure, he took financial risks, but it was still your work that made him wealthy. Would it surprise you to know that it is quite possible that you paid more in taxes to the government than he did last year?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:02 pm#229: Ah yes. Another useless website that you think should convince thinking people. Well, these websites don’t do that. Linking to them only makes you look more insane.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmI could have set up my own business a long time ago if the laws governing salaries and taxes were less business-hostile than they’re even today.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
So you’re making an excuse for why you’re unable to succeed? LOL Blame others – how utterly conservative.
You do know that there are a few people who’ve made it big inspite of those laws right? So you’re not as competent as they are, then? That is what you’re suggesting.
Join reality – it hurts less…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmYour post didn’t have a point, it was sarcastic Lefty twaddle.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 11:38 am
And like a good little puppet, you dismiss that with which you do not agree.
But go ahead…waste your time on here. It’s your Saturday afternoon.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:03 pmSure, he took financial risks, but it was still your work that made him wealthy. Would it surprise you to know that it is quite possible that you paid more in taxes to the government than he did last year?
As far as the taxes go, it may be so – and for that, I’ve got only you liberals/dems to blame for.
I don’t quite understand your point about how I should feel bad about my work making him wealthy. That’s the idea of a business, now isn’t it? He took the risks, hired people and he should get rewarded for it.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:04 pmSo people are basically with you or against you?
Comment by Tundra — June 30, 2007 @ 11:55 am
No! People choose to do nothing or do something. If you had a mind you would be smart enough to send a distinct message to the government that a dictatorship is out of the question. Simply, read this thread over and then recognize that 99% of it is mindless gossip! Now do the right thing and choose liberty and make a stand and protect the Constitution that the 3 branches of government have seemingly forsaken.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Whoa, you’re gettin’ a little ahead of yourself there, kiddo!
I was talking about the MuslimShiteating ™ Afganistan under the Islamo-Fascist Taliban regime of the 1990s.
Now, if you still think that Iraq has become comparable because of the US…
the parallels, sir, if you will.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:05 pm#232: I’m not making excuses. I’m just biding my time and waiting for the unfair taxation to cease.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmComment by dantheman
The liberal claiming academia, sir is a bad syndrome for our nation. We’re looking to clean up that mess. And yes, liberal academics are allergic to facts, truth, and research. Thank you for your clarification.
There’s an initiative from now on to require all resident progressive commentators to carry out fewer personal attacks and projections in their debates. If you felt so confident in your research and academia, sir, you wouldn’t have to carry out personal attacks, would you?
Think about become part of the solution, m’kay?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#229: Ah yes. Another useless website that you think should convince thinking people. Well, these websites don’t do that. Linking to them only makes you look more insane.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
This is not part of our own dialog, but during that one minute between his post and yours, how much of it did you spend actually looking at the website before you determined that it was “useless”? Do you even know what it’s about?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIt’s the remnants of the democratic nanny-state mentality that’s keeping me down. I could have set up my own business a long time ago if the laws governing salaries and taxes were less business-hostile than they’re even today.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Whaaaa!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:07 pm#223. Uh. No. It’s the remnants of the democratic nanny-state mentality that’s keeping me down.Gaydar3000
Is it the nanny-state that sends the fire department to your home in case of a fire? Or the nanny state that searches for your missing child? Perhaps the nanny state educates that child from k-12 or sends ambulances to your car accident.
perhaps it is the nanny state that defends your shores from invasion?
Why is it, that people have been taught that empathy for ones neighbor is left wing propaganda; and yet we all pull together in times of struggle against 911 or Katrina?
No-one dared say “let those people get themselves out of the buildings.” or compared the actions of the heros of that day to a nanny state.
This selective compassion is contrary to what we are. All of us. even you, Gaydar.
Better face it, you got some nanny in you.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:08 pm#239: I don’t bother looking at sources that I know aren’t worth my time. Link me to BBC, CNN, FOX or some other respectable source such as some federal agency, but “www.prisonsucks.com”… please.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:08 pmAnd thus you have perfectly summed up the 2004 campaign season ending on election day in America…
Comment by WC — June 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
And the weeks after election day in 2000 :D
They can’t get elected by honest measures, because the majority of Americans have liberal values. It’s why those who have stolen the power are so utterly immoral and despicable.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:09 pm“As far as the taxes go, it may be so – and for that, I’ve got only you liberals/dems to blame for.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:04 pm”
I see… So it was the Dems who cut taxes for the top 1% of the most wealthiest in the country?????
It was the Dems who cut even more taxes, despite we are in a “war”???
So then I guess it was the Dems fault when sadum (SP?) and gomora (SP?) was destroyed???
Just like a jock puppet to believe this dribble…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:10 pmAh yes. Another useless website that you think should convince thinking people. Well, these websites don’t do that. Linking to them only makes you look more insane.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Bureau of Justice Statistics Prison Statistics:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm
Prison Population Report:
June 30th, 2007 at 12:11 pmhttp://www.pewpublicsafety.org
#244: Face it. Current taxation and the pressure to increase the minimum wage is not very conducive for setting up a business.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:12 pm#245: Ok. Now you’ve got some links. What was your point again?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:12 pmComment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Your argument is as difficult as the flag burning debate. The flag stands for the freedom to be able to do so, but you shouldn’t.
Your stance is you should be for liberty, but if you exercise that liberty and do what it is you want to do (as opposed to what you think they should do), then they are mindless.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:12 pmAs far as the taxes go, it may be so – and for that, I’ve got only you liberals/dems to blame for.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Is that a fact??? You actually blame the liberals and democrats because wealthy people pay less in taxes than you did? You don’t think the Republican-controlled-cut-taxes-no-matter-what-the-cost-to-future-generations-Congresses of the past few years had more to do with that?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 pmWe have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Period.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 11:40 am
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Your post didn’t have a point, it was sarcastic Lefty twaddle.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Read my post @11:17.
Damn…I didn’t know that Powell and Bremer (and Bush) were capable of such “sarcastic Lefty twaddle.”
June 30th, 2007 at 12:13 pmComment by Detox — June 30, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
That’s great, bucko!
But I don’t think he wants waste time verifying your snide remarks about meth addiction!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pm239: I don’t bother looking at sources that I know aren’t worth my time. Link me to BBC, CNN, FOX or some other respectable source such as some federal agency, but “www.prisonsucks.comâ€â€¦ please.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Prison Population Report
http://www.pewpublicsafety.org
Bureau of Justice Statistics Prison Statistics
June 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pmhttp://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm
“He took the risks and set up the business. He deserves to be rewarded more than I or any other of us employees do.”
Comment by Gaydar3000
So everyone who “takes risks” deserves to be rewarded? I had a boss who thought like you. He took out big business loans, and spent most of the money on his own lifestyle. He was rewarded well for taking chances – and there rest of us had to race to the bank on fridays to cash our checks – because he never put enough money into the payroll account to pay everyone. He’d make excuses for why people were getting stiffed – but come the next paycheck, the last ones to get to the bank got stiffed until the next pay period. After a year and a half, he filed for bankruptcy, and stiffed the rest of us for unpaid wages. I saw him later, driving his new Porche in a road race, and acting like the priviledged little shit that he is.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:14 pm“Current taxation and the pressure to increase the minimum wage is not very conducive for setting up a business.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:12 pm”
BLA BLA BLA….
You make it sound as though no businesses can be started and that they never have!!!
Just so you know……
Businesses have been started up for decades UNDER THE VERY SAME ENVIROMENT!!!
You people are about as bright as a blown out light bulb.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pm#249: Do you have a business? Do you have any idea how business-hostile current taxation system is? I don’t care if the top 1% pays less taxes than I do. What I do care about is, how small business is dealt with – it’s always been the favorite victim of dems. Just look at the recent effort at the minimum wage.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:16 pm#239: I don’t bother looking at sources that I know aren’t worth my time. Link me to BBC, CNN, FOX or some other respectable source such as some federal agency, but “www.prisonsucks.comâ€â€¦ please.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
So you admit that you denounced it without even knowing what it was about.
So if, in the course of an honest debate, someone attempts to link to a website that may be unknown and, therefore, whose veracity has not already been confirmed (BBC) or denounced (FNC), you would automatically assume that it is “useless” and not bother to see where the other person is coming from?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:16 pmI’m not making excuses. I’m just biding my time and waiting for the unfair taxation to cease.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
As long as you vote Republican, the unfair tax system will be to your disadvantage. They are the ones who set up the system to keep them richand youunable to do the same, so they don’t have to compete against you.
You’ll never be one of them. They don’t want you to make it. It means LESS for them. Hello? You think they want you to take away their money, clients, business? You’re a fool if you do.
You can keep making excuses and lying to yourself, or you can accept that you’re one of us and fight against the injustices and inequities that keep you unable to pursue the American Dream…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:17 pm#256: Of course. Unlike you, I’m extremely critical when it comes to a source. If it’s not official, it’s not worth looking at.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pm245: Ok. Now you’ve got some links. What was your point again?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
Jackboots? Whose door has been kicked in by the government?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:38 am
June 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pm“Do you have a business? Do you have any idea how business-hostile current taxation system is? I don’t care if the top 1% pays less taxes than I do. What I do care about is, how small business is dealt with – it’s always been the favorite victim of dems. Just look at the recent effort at the minimum wage.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:16 pm”
WHA WHA WHA!!!!
Gaymaster, it has been PROVEN that raising the minimum wage DOES NOT HURT small businesses……. So I guess all those states that raised their state minimum wage to a sustaining level are out to destroy small businesses….
You are a very UNEDUCATED individual…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider
You are laboring under the assumption that honest debate is what gaydar wants – it isn’t.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pm#257: Ok. So why are you dems pushing for an increase in the minimum wage and why are you pushing for increases in taxes for businesses?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pm#259: Ok. Took a look at the links. What statistics should I be looking at in particular?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#249: Do you have a business? Do you have any idea how business-hostile current taxation system is? I don’t care if the top 1% pays less taxes than I do. What I do care about is, how small business is dealt with – it’s always been the favorite victim of dems. Just look at the recent effort at the minimum wage.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
So you think that business owners shold be free to pay their employees (who will one day make them wealthy with their hard work) a wage that will, at best, barely keep them out of poverty? You know, the minimum wage hasn’t gone up in about fifteen years. But the cost of living sure has. (Maybe your cars don’t run on gasoline like mine.)
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pm256: Of course. Unlike you, I’m extremely critical when it comes to a source. If it’s not official, it’s not worth looking at.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
That’s it Gaydar, a powerful, incisive approach to finding truth:
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pmRead only what is OFFICIALLY APPROVED.
I could have set up my own business a long time ago if the laws governing salaries and taxes were less business-hostile than they’re even today.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Translation: I could start my own business if it weren’t for the goddamn laws requiring me to pay a minimum wage, health benefits, work insurance, overtime, restrict the work week to 40hrs, etc. etc. While I am at it, I would also like to be able to hire children, fire & hire at will, and sexually harass my female employees. Godamn liberal laws.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pm“Current taxation and the pressure to increase the minimum wage is not very conducive for setting up a business.”
How about this: The current minimum wage is not very conducive for low income workers to afford a living.
I’m not feeling your pain GAYDAR. I came out of the barrio and run my own business. I ain’t making a killing, but I live comfortably, and I don’t mind paying my taxes. But it pisses me off that the top 1% not only don’t pay taxes, but they also reap the most benefits from our government.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:22 pmunbelievable:
Same here. We are consumer debt free, with only student loans on our two credit reports. We could probably trim more from our monthly bills, but doing so would really eat into our quality of life (right now, we’re paying Cellular, Electric, Internet, and Rent each month. Of those, we have to keep Rent and Electric. The other two amount to 125 a month, which we figure is worth paying at the moment.) Unfortunately, even with that, we couldn’t afford a job loss.
freedomring:
Dude, chill. Jackboots? I know it’s bad, but not that bad yet. But give Fox a few years. ;)
June 30th, 2007 at 12:22 pm“So why are you dems pushing for an increase in the minimum wage and why are you pushing for increases in taxes for businesses?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:19 pm”
To help those living on it LIVE!!!!
Yee of little, very little, knowledge… The tax increase is for large companies…….
I don’t expect you to understand the difference between big or small though, this would just make your head explode if I tried to explain it to you….
June 30th, 2007 at 12:22 pm#264: The workers should be happy that they get paid anything. I don’t get your problem. Every employer needs employees and therefore it would be employee’s market where the demand for employees sets the salaries. The government should have nothing to do with it.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:23 pm#256: Of course. Unlike you, I’m extremely critical when it comes to a source. If it’s not official, it’s not worth looking at.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
So you trust everything you read on http://www.whitehouse.gov/ before you would read something that was independently researched?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:23 pmDamn…I didn’t know that Powell and Bremer (and Bush) were capable of such “sarcastic Lefty twaddle.â€
Comment by WC — June 30, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Okay… ?
What’s your point?
The post in question was yours at 11:08am as clearly indicated by my reference to said post at 11:11am:
Then you said, in reference to my post at 11:11am:
To which I responded:
I do realize it is a lot to remember.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:24 pmI’m extremely critical when it comes to a source. If it’s not official, it’s not worth looking at.
Comment by Gaydar3000
So how about the NYT? They are an “official” news source, and yet they got their WMD info from a “source” named curveball, who was later shown to be an liar.
Major news organizations aren’t that reliable.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pmRead only what is OFFICIALLY APPROVED.
Yeah. Otherwise you’ll waste all your time shifting through misinformation and propaganda in order to get to the real information. That’s the news corps job, isn’t it. To get rid of the crud and report what’s important.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pmYou are laboring under the assumption that honest debate is what gaydar wants – it isn’t.
Comment by barfly — June 30, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Oh, I know. I’m just trying to find the inconsistency in his position, that’s all. Plus it’s helping me.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:25 pmIt’s amazing what trolls can do to stifle stimulating debate. My head hurts from lowering my intellect to their level. Adios dirty trolls!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:26 pmOk. So why are you dems pushing for an increase in the minimum wage and why are you pushing for increases in taxes for businesses?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I’m not a Democrat – but they have studies that show that raising the minimum wage will lead to MORE business for you, actually, because people will spend that extra money.
Also, Democrats want to tax everyone FAIRLY. It’s not fair that the top 1%, of which none of us will ever be, pays LESS. Because when they pay less, you have to pay more whether you’re a start-up or an employee.
Democrats are pro-small business. They want and encourage mom and pop start-ups. It’s the Republicans who don’t want you competing against them. And it’s the Republicans who are lying to you about what the Democrats stand for to cheat you out of your dream…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pm#271: Well, political sites are, of course, to be taken with a grain of salt, but yes. I’d take whitehouse.gov info over completely unreliable sources like “prisonsucks.com”.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pmIt’s amazing what trolls can do to stifle stimulating debate. My head hurts from lowering my intellect to their level. Adios dirty trolls!
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Yes, hit the books my intellectually challenged friend!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:28 pm“Yeah. Otherwise you’ll waste all your time shifting through misinformation and propaganda in order to get to the real information. That’s the news corps job, isn’t it. To get rid of the crud and report what’s important.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:25 pm”
I have heard of some STUPID $HIT before, but this beats all…..
KNOCK…. KNOCK….
There is not REAL news corps anymore…. They do NOT do REAL reporting.
If what your saying was true, then we would NOT be in Iraq at the moment….. If there were REAL news corps, they would have investigated the information, rather than just spewing what the WH told them…..
Sorry son, but your as ignorant as you are naive…..
June 30th, 2007 at 12:29 pm(Maybe your cars don’t run on gasoline like mine.)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Godamn liberal laws.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — June 30, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
You guys are hilarious!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:29 pm#271: Well, political sites are, of course, to be taken with a grain of salt, but yes. I’d take whitehouse.gov info over completely unreliable sources like “prisonsucks.comâ€.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
You still haven’t explained why you feel http://www.prisonsucks.com is “unreliable”. On what unreliable information are they basing their position?
And don’t help him, anyone, I would like him to find the answer himself. Thank you.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:29 pm259: Ok. Took a look at the links. What statistics should I be looking at in particular?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Your earlier comment was
Jackboots? Whose door has been kicked in by the government?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:38 am
A large percentage of the prison population is incarcerated on drug charges. Many, many doors have been kicked in the process of ‘recruiting’ these people into the system.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:30 pm#282: Who vouches for the validity of information on that site? With a federal site or a valid news bureau site, you can always sue them.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pmMR PRESIDENT. Your namesake reccomends My Pet Goat for someone with your inteligence. Judging by your posts, I’d say you almost certainly are ready to move up to works by the late great Dr. Seuss.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pmJeremy
Nothing personal. I was speaking in general. And not just to liberals – to all Middle and Lower class people.
I couldn’t afford a job loss either, but not being indebted to the system will make it easier survive one. I just learned the hard way that owning things is a bigger burden than joy in most cases, and that the liberty from possessions is vastly underrated in our consumer culture…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:32 pm#283: Uh. And your problem with that is? Of course the doors of drug fiends should be kicked in. My earlier comment was related to political activity. That doesn’t result in the government kicking in your door.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:32 pmThere is nothing that says a democracy cannot produce ecconomic growth and a small-business friendly envirnment.
The equation has been construed in order to facilitate the “nanny-state” myth by those who profit from the lie.
There are many capitalistic democracies to use as examples where liberal of decency and responcibility to others work side by side with the freedom to pursue personal ecconomic advancement.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:32 pm#264: The workers should be happy that they get paid anything. I don’t get your problem. Every employer needs employees and therefore it would be employee’s market where the demand for employees sets the salaries. The government should have nothing to do with it.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
I think I see where you’re coming from now. In a country whose independence from tyranny was fought over the principle that “all men are created equal”, you favor a system designed to create as much inequality as possible, especailly for those willing to violate the laws of fairness and honesty. Do you oppose consumer protection laws?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:32 pmintelligence, not a good typist.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pm“And don’t help him, anyone, I would like him to find the answer himself. Thank you.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 12:29 pm”
That would mean that he would be capable of logical and intellectual thinking…..
All of the posts I have read so far shows that he is not, so no one here would be able to help him…
This requires a higher power to fix those neuron firing sequences…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pmintelligence, not a good typist.
Comment by dantheman — June 30, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
June 30th, 2007 at 12:35 pmDon’t be discouraged m’boy, study up!
#289: No. I am not for inequality. I’m for people getting a fair reward for their efforts. If someone doesn’t feel like working hard enough to keep the employers interested and he/she doesn’t want to start a business either, there’s only one person to blame for that. As far as consumer protection laws go, they are ok as long as they aren’t used as a tool to crack down on profitable business.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:35 pmYou are laboring under the assumption that honest debate is what gaydar wants – it isn’t.
Comment by barfly — June 30, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
i just returned and skimmed through the previous 50ish comments
and it sounded like a small business tutorial… and prisons…
and whatever else…
good job, gaydar, and feeders… a successful thread-jacking…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:36 pm…
(yes, it’s a saturday… i know…)
#283: Uh. And your problem with that is? Of course the doors of drug fiends should be kicked in.gaydar3000
its’ REFER MADNESS! look out for the guy in the closet.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:37 pm“If someone doesn’t feel like working hard enough to keep the employers interested and he/she doesn’t want to start a business either, there’s only one person to blame for that. As far as consumer protection laws go, they are ok as long as they aren’t used as a tool to crack down on profitable business.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:35 pm”
Talk about DOUBLE SPEAK!!!!
In one post, it’s totally because of the taxes and laws that make it impossible to start a business…. Now he says that it’s the persons fault themselves that are to blame…
Just like a typical righty…. Change the rules to fit your needs…..
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmA large percentage of the prison population is incarcerated on drug charges.
Comment by Detox — June 30, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
I used to work for a firm that had prison projects. I worked on a large 550 person facility. I can confirm from speaking to our clients, the Sheriff’s Department that ran the prison, that you are correct. There are so many people in prison due to the laws on drugs.
He can look at the correlation between the introduction of crack cocaine and the rise in prison populations for additional verification.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pm“Of course the doors of drug fiends should be kicked in.”
Unless they are popular conservative radio personalities. Never forget that.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmgood job, gaydar, and feeders… a successful thread-jacking…(yes, it’s a saturday… i know…)
Thanks.
I’m pretty drunk already, but I’ve got enough buzz to keep on going for at least the next two hours. Maybe three or four if I can manage to make some coffee.
What do you think, Mr. President? Should I keep at this or just find another angle? I’m kind of getting bored with this.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmUh. And your problem with that is? Of course the doors of drug fiends should be kicked in. My earlier comment was related to political activity. That doesn’t result in the government kicking in your door.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Marijuana smokers are drug fiends according to you. In alcohol prohibition days, of course, they kicked down the doors of drinkers. Let’s go back to that; maybe it’ll keep the horribly hung over from posting here
June 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pm#282: Who vouches for the validity of information on that site? With a federal site or a valid news bureau site, you can always sue them.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
If you actually looked at the site (as I did), you would have your answer (which I won’t spoon feed to you in the misguided hope that you might learn something.)
And you really think that if the Bush White House put false information up on their “official” web site, that YOU would be able to sue to get it taken down or corrected? Or if Rupert Murdoch called his editor and ordered him to print (on the cover of the New York Post) that John Kerry was picking Dick Gephardt as his 2004 running mate, that yuo could SUE him for a correction?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 pmYour argument is as difficult as the flag burning debate. The flag stands for the freedom to be able to do so, but you shouldn’t.
Your stance is you should be for liberty, but if you exercise that liberty and do what it is you want to do (as opposed to what you think they should do), then they are mindless.
Comment by Tundra — June 30, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
The threshold for civil discourse is close so I will respond to you! I am not making an argument at all, you are. If you can’t protest then don’t protest. I have said that many times. Here is an example for you:
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 pmYou and the members of your small town face a crisis where a raging fire threatens to destroy everything. The question then is what to do. Do you watch the town burn to the ground as you lose everything that you have or do you and the members of the town rally to the cause and attempt to put out the fire?
If a few members were unable because they were to young, too frail, too sick or too old that would be expected. Now if one or more members who were able bodied did not rise to the occasion and the remainder managed to fight the fire what would happen?
I’m not trying to answer questions with questions but it is clear that virtues like duty and responsibility and sacrifice are missing from most people since they are all trapped in the deadly sins. The one guy above has excuses but no reason since he is trapped in pride and sloth. He can’t participate since it is too hard to take a day off of work but in the meantime the nation is “in blazes†thank about that!
An expression that comes to mind is, “He wouldn’t Fluk to save his species!â€
good job, gaydar, and feeders… a successful thread-jacking…
…
(yes, it’s a saturday… i know…)
Comment by katy — June 30, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Not at all, katy.
Wayne knows that it is important to be clear about the smallest elements of an argument, so that there are no hidden presuppositions on either side of the debate.
Here Gaydar and Wayne have merely followed in the direction of the argument’s foot-steps.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:39 pmWhat do you think, Mr. President? Should I keep at this or just find another angle? I’m kind of getting bored with this.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
DO SOME MORE METH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 12:40 pmWhat do you think, Mr. President? Should I keep at this or just find another angle? I’m kind of getting bored with this.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Wayne will not try to trick you or play dirty, but if the other Lefties keep butting in and annoying you then you are, of course, free to leave.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:41 pm#304: Nah. I think I’ll make some coffee and start watching “Fog of War – Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S McNamara”.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:41 pmDO SOME MORE METH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Detox — June 30, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
June 30th, 2007 at 12:43 pmDetox. Giving Liberals a Good Name Everywhere.
reading the book is a little harder, isn’t it?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:43 pmI’m kind of getting bored with this.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
An admission of defeat…
Well, at leasty you’ve learned some useful and honest things today. Who knows when those tiny seeds of truth might kick in and you’ll wake up… Migt help if you sober up…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:44 pm#309: Well, what can I say. I’m getting too drunk to respond in an orderly fashion. Even us trolls need our break, you know.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:47 pmComment by katy
The dean recommends that you debate, not make the false assumption of “thread jacking.” You’re being unfair, I must quip.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:48 pmComment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Get back in your mom’s basement you POS hack.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pm~kewl katy~
A message from the dean.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pmDetox. Giving Liberals a Good Name Everywhere.
Comment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
You on the other hand should cut back on the meth. We have some openings here:
http://www.passagesmalibu.com/
June 30th, 2007 at 12:50 pmAs far as consumer protection laws go, they are ok as long as they aren’t used as a tool to crack down on profitable business.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Were you aware that consumer protection laws were passed precisely to crack down on profitable businesses whose profits were reaped by making unsafe products?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pmhttp://www.passagesmalibu.com/
Comment by Detox
Is that your idea for “alternative sentencing”?
June 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pm#312: I’m sorry, but that’s not my idea of a break. Maybe you like to live in your mom’s basement, but not me.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pm#315: Yes I was.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIs that your idea for “alternative sentencing�
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — June 30, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Yeah, Dean, maybe we can get the pres in there before he has to kick on a concrete floor in a jail cell somewhere…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmYour argument is as difficult as the flag burning debate. The flag stands for the freedom to be able to do so, but you shouldn’t.
Your stance is you should be for liberty, but if you exercise that liberty and do what it is you want to do (as opposed to what you think they should do), then they are mindless.
Comment by Tundra — June 30, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
The threshold for civil discourse is close so I will respond to you! I am not making an argument at all, you are. If you can’t protest then don’t protest. I have said that many times. Here is an example for you:
June 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pmYou and the members of your small town face a crisis where a raging fire threatens to destroy everything. The question then is what to do. Do you watch the town burn to the ground as you lose everything that you have or do you and the members of the town rally to the cause and attempt to put out the fire?
If a few members were unable because they were to young, too frail, too sick or too old that would be expected. Now if one or more members who were able bodied did not rise to the occasion and the remainder managed to fight the fire what would happen?
I’m not trying to answer questions with questions but it is clear that virtues like duty and responsibility and sacrifice are missing from most people since they are all trapped in the deadly sins. The one guy above has excuses but no reason since he is trapped in pride and sloth. He can’t participate since it is too hard to take a day off of work but in the meantime the nation is “in blazes†thank about that!
An expression that comes to mind is, “He wouldn’t Fluk to save his species!†What do you do put water to the fire or sit in your mom’s basement?
Man, I just love McNamara’s attitude…
June 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pmComment by Detox
I get the feeling that ‘Mr. President’ is drug free as we speak. At best, you have a case on him for pixie-stix and philosophical exuberance.
I thought the idea was to encourage discourse w/o accusations of drug use. That’s what I would hope to achieve as dean.
June 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pm#312: I’m sorry, but that’s not my idea of a break. Maybe you like to live in your mom’s basement, but not me.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Yes you are SORRY! Now get back in her basement you POS!
June 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pmhttp://www.nbc5.com/politics/13588695/detail.html?rss=chi&psp=news
Obama Says He Doesn’t Favor Bush Impeachment
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama says he doesn’t favor impeachment proceedings for President George W. Bush and Vice President Cheney.
Obama made that comment Thursday in response to a question asked at a meeting in Washington with his Illinois constituents.
Hmm, I don’t get it. Do you think Robert Byrd threatened to lynch him on the Senate floor?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pmkaty,
I was only interested in what this one particular personality of his was saying. I can’t help all the other ones he’s using in between his posts, instead of actually checking out what another honest debater was trying to get him to see. It’s helping prove that debate is not in his interests. It’s helping me by forcing me to think about why I feel the way I do about things. I often have discussions like this at work with the conservatives, and I like to find out why they think the way they do. They really don’t act in their own best interests, and I’m curious as to why.
I’m not trying to say that all liberals act in their own best interests, either. But at least we try to based what we do on factual information and not stereotypical beliefs (in general, or at least more than conservatives do.) Of course, they denounce us when we believe a well-documented fact that contradicts what they believe, though they can’t prove their belief is based on facts. Then they pull a “Colbert” and walk away with, “Well, we’ll just have to agree to disagree,” and think they’ve won because they’ve successfully avoided facing the truth.
Besides, I have to go out for a while. I’ll come back later and see if he has any facts at his disposal. I haven’t noticed any yet, but perhaps if he learns something, he could kindly share it with us.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pm#325: I’m always willing to supply you with information. I’m sorry if I didn’t see your requests earlier, and now looking back at your posts I still don’t see it, but maybe you can fill me in.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
We were having two separate discussions for a while there. Our first started simply as a series of questions meant to determine where in your basic philosophy of life we differ, and I found that out. You appear to believe that in a country whose independence from tyranny was fought over the principle that “all men are created equalâ€, you would favor a system designed to create as much inequality as possible, especially for those willing to violate the laws of fairness and honesty. And you seem to have no problem with people getting rich off making unsafe products.
As to the other matter of sources, I was jumping into another debate you were having after I noticed that you denounced as “useless” a site which, as far as I can tell, you still haven’t checked out, yet you freely admit that you will accept whatever the Bush White House posts on their site, even if it is altered press conference transcripts (which were usually on video tape.)
I have to go now. Thanks for the discussion. I found it illuminating, even if you didn’t. Catch you later. Oh, and if you’re interested in how one state’s 2006 elections could have altered the balance of power in Congress, go to my blog and read my third installment of
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD!
June 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmVOTE FOR ATHRD!
You and the members of your small town face a crisis where a raging fire threatens to destroy everything. The question then is what to do. Do you watch the town burn to the ground as you lose everything that you have or do you and the members of the town rally to the cause and attempt to put out the fire?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmIf a few members were unable because they were too young, too frail, too sick or too old that would be expected. Now if one or more members who were able bodied did not rise to the occasion and the remainder managed to fight the fire what would happen?
I’m not trying to answer questions with questions but it is clear that virtues like duty, responsibility and sacrifice are missing from most people since they are all trapped in the deadly sins. The one guy above has excuses but no reason since he is trapped in pride and sloth. He can’t participate since it is too hard to take a day off of work but in the meantime the nation is “in blazes†think about that!
An expression that comes to mind is, “He wouldn’t Fluk to save his species!†80% of the nation wants Shrub impeached but Congress does not act. So, do you do put water to the fire or sit in your mom’s basement pulling your pud?
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD!
VOTE FOR ATHRD!
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Technically called:
GIVE ‘EM THE BIRD!
VOTE FOR A THIRD!
(Damn typos.)
June 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pmHere I will ask this one more time and in a way I have been asking this for three weeks now so one more time can’t hurt!
June 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pmYou and the members of your small town face a crisis where a raging fire threatens to destroy everything. The question then is what to do. Do you watch the town burn to the ground as you lose everything that you have or do you and the members of the town rally to the cause and attempt to put out the fire?
If a few members were unable because they were too young, too frail, too sick or too old that would be expected. Now if one or more members who were able bodied did not rise to the occasion and the remainder managed to fight the fire what would happen?
I’m not trying to answer questions with questions but it is clear that virtues like duty, responsibility and sacrifice are missing from most people since they are all trapped in the deadly sins. The one guy above has excuses but no reason since he is trapped in pride and sloth. He can’t participate since it is too hard to take a day off of work but in the meantime the nation is “in blazes†think about that!
An expression that comes to mind is, “He wouldn’t Fluk to save his species!†80% of the nation wants Shrub impeached but Congress does not act. So, do you do put water to the fire or sit in your mom’s basement pulling on your pud?
I wonder how many of you realize that the “Real ID Act†goes into effect between 2008-09? You do know that if you don’t get Real ID you will not be able to seek a job, drive, bank or get credit and this bill was passed into LAW. A direct violation of the Constitution and you don’t give a crap from what I see here. You don’t want to do anything except flame war.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pmGIVE ‘EM THE BIRD!
VOTE FOR A TURD!
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I agree! LOL
June 30th, 2007 at 1:31 pmComment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
If you cannot figure out the point of my post at 11:08am, which was in response to and earlier post from Gaydar3000, then God help you.
As you your suggestion — We have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters â„¢ like Afganistan did. Period. — that ties directly in to what my point is.
To put it mildly, Bush is a hypocrite. To say that we’ll leave if the Iraqis ask us to, while saying that we will not leave if the Democrats (or any anti-war person) ask us to, is the epitomy of hypocrisy.
Not even the first concern about what will happen to Iraq (re: your suggestion) if the Iraqis ask us to leave.
That help any? Or do I need to draw pictures using a crayon and mail it to you?
June 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pmSo back to the top…
When are the “BIG MARCHES?â€
When are the “ANTIWAR PROTESTS†that have more people than a trio?
What about a love-in who can “SHOW THE LOVEâ€
When is there going to be a national strike?
The progressive movement seems to be a sham when only a few people are willing to think progressively and do any or all of the above. Yesterday someone here said to me, “Strikes are one of the main elements of class warfare. Who exactly are we striking against? Wouldn’t that be workers striking against their employers?†This idiot has his head unscrewed. Unfair taxation is a weapon of the Plutocrats along with runaway national debt. Practicing our 1st Amendment right to protest and address the government with our grievances is essential to our liberty.
Some people here despise liberty enough that they would claim that a national strike would be (some individual said this) “an insurgency.†Unreal, can you imagine the depravity needed to make such a claim? The 1st Amendment allows protest. If 100,000,000 people march on DC that is fine but the USA is large enough and energy prices so high that many citizens that may want to attend will not be able to afford the trip. Out of those 100,000,000 people 100% of them who work would need to take the day off in order to go to the protest.
Some people here are actually calling for more taxes rather than abolishing the problem called “The Federal Reserve.†The nation implemented a “Personal Income Tax†in WW1 and then started collecting said tax during WW2. How is it that Americans managed to survive from 1776 to around 1913 without a personal income tax? How did all of those governmental buildings get built? None of the money collected by personal income taxes pays for anything the people use. Guess what that money (PIT) is used for?
The progressive movement is not a movement at all. Pure diatribe, apathy and hate and no end in sight. It almost seems like people do blogging like this to create the illusion that they want the war to end, etc. but in reality they just want the flakin Iraq oil too. I could be wrong and I hope I’m wrong and the people choose the 1st Amendment so that the Government Officials are given one last chance to turn this around. So far this is just a lot of HOT AIR
June 30th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe problem is that we’re not at war with Iraq. The war with Iraq is over. Saddam is gone, and Iraq has a new government.
We’re at war with the terrorists in Iraq.
Al Qaida is not a group of people anymore; it is a mentality. The mentality is that YOU must convert to Islam or die. The only way to defeat this mentality is to increase education and opportunity for the people in the Muslim countries.
June 30th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe ENTIRE screwed to hell situation in Iraq is a DIRECT reflection upon Der Shrub, our feckless leader…
June 30th, 2007 at 2:00 pmThe ENTIRE screwed to hell situation in Iraq is a DIRECT reflection upon Der Shrub, our feckless leader…
Comment by Not Canadian — June 30, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
The buck does stop @ his door. That being said the truth is that 300,000,000 of us are culpable since we allow it to continue!
June 30th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThe buck does stop @ his door. That being said the truth is that 300,000,000 of us are culpable since we allow it to continue!
Comment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
300,000,000 minus those too young, or too frail and many other exceptions, of course. On the other hand, why not get pissed off at the millions of people who do not exercise their right to vote, even if it is just to go vote the bastards out of office? If they had participated, as many of us here do, then perhaps we wouldn’t have had such a compliant Legislative Branch these past few years. So, please, direct at least some of your anger at them, too.
I assume that you vote, don’t you? After all, if you don’t vote, you can’t bitch.
June 30th, 2007 at 2:19 pmSo who will counter my assertion that…
June 30th, 2007 at 2:24 pmThe progressive movement is not a movement at all. Pure diatribe, apathy, hate and no end in sight. It almost seems like people do blogging like this to create the illusion that they want the war to end, etc. but in reality they just want the flakin Iraq oil too. I could be wrong and I hope I’m wrong and the people choose the 1st Amendment so that the Government Officials are given one last chance to turn this around. So far this “movement†is just a lot of HOT AIR
If not can someone tell me when the million man antiwar march is? Can anyone tell me when the national strike is being called for?
I assume that you vote, don’t you? After all, if you don’t vote, you can’t bitch.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Are you talking about the chad or the Diebold machines? Is it that thing where I’m sure Gore won or the following one when my wife and I stared at the TV motionless and then wept? GFY and your insinuation. The elections are rigged and the infallible way to tell is that Shrub “won†another 4 years. Here we are and rather than deal with the issue you change the subject and try to point the finger. GFY! You play the blame game and that makes you a Jerkoffisorus! The time to protest is here NOW. Congress does not hear the 80% who require IMPEACHMENT. Stop making flukin excuses you moron! What is your excuse by the way?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:33 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
I can’t hear you, I think your mom’s basement is blocking the sound!
June 30th, 2007 at 2:36 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Wow I didn’t realize you were a midget Wayne. Whoops, you’re not a midget you’re just standing in your parent’s basement. Sorry!
June 30th, 2007 at 2:44 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Hey, Wayne is that your mom’s or dad’s basement?
June 30th, 2007 at 2:54 pmDo you all mean to say that you can’t even go to some local protest? Honestly, let the truth be told that if you don’t even protest in a minimal sort of way this blog is not the equivalent of a protest. TPTB love it that you come here as you are no threat to the grip of tyranny! They have our IP addresses and everything we say but realize that this is nothing but talk. Protesting the government is one of your flukin rights. It is first on the list since it is the most important but equal to and dependant on the 2nd Amendment!
June 30th, 2007 at 2:58 pmNow if one or more members who were able bodied did not rise to the occasion and the remainder managed to fight the fire what would happen?
There are car accidents happening all day why aren’t you driving around helping them instead of sitting here typing? There are fires every day why aren’t you driving around waiting to help them? There are muggings everyday, There are elderly who die in their homes and noone checks on them. There are children with cancer that need money raised, why aren’t you fundraising? There are homeless who need people to cook food/clean shelters why aren’t you doing that?
Oh that’s right it’s easier for you to accuse everyone else of having no virtue/duty/responsibility or willingness to sacrifice, because they don’t jump on the same cause you have.
The elections are rigged and the infallible way to tell is that Shrub “won†another 4 years.
Congress does not hear the 80% who require IMPEACHMENT.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:07 pmSo what infallibile way did you use to come up with that 80% number?
There is no “Progressive Movement†that I can see. There is no movement at all; just words from Adrian Belew come to mind… “Diatribe, dissention, deformation, double talk, double talk, it’s all talk, elephant talk, too much talk, small talk, talk that trashâ€
June 30th, 2007 at 3:09 pmCome on and put that crack down and stand for liberty!
So what infallibile(SIC) way did you use to come up with that 80% number?
Comment by Tundra — June 30, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Discourse with you is going to be brief since you are more and more insincere!
The “why don’t I” part is misdirection on your part. We employ people to do those tasks and I may be one of them. I made a good point that when shat happens people rally. In this case you do everything you can to blame me for your do nothing disposition and your apathetic lifestyle!
The last part about the 80%
The ABC poll
The CBS poll
The MSNBC poll
The CNN poll
The number is consistent with that of those that disapprove of the way Shrub is doing his job! The Bush base is around 30% so after application of basic mathematics the MAJORITY wants to rip up the bushes and shrubs and plant a TREE!
You must also be in a basement otherwise you would have never started with me! You’re full of fear and that with your sloth and pride will be your undoing! As I say to all agents of FUD like you enjoy your life and GFY
June 30th, 2007 at 3:25 pm#346 What do the crowing craniums do? Creating controversy is hardly a movement, it’s nothing more than obfuscation. And its exactly what the GOP and it’s conservative movement has done for the last decade. Yap Yap Yap. Grover Norquist? Yap Yap Yap about small government and take a bunch of money for it, did government get smaller? No. What all the years of obfuscation did was create a cloak of obfuscation to slide legislation past peoples nose while the greedy lobbyists and their cohorts ran amok . Ralph Reed, Scanlon admitted to fleecing the ‘wackos’ conservatives. The conservative movement got hijacked because they thought by buying off people they could change things and they did, FOR THE WORSE.
We must get rid of the lobbyists to foment change.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:30 pmComment by Tundra — June 30, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Why is it that you hate freedom so? Why do you reject the Constitution? Why can’t you help save the Iraqi children? Why are you like the evil doers? Why can’t you just agree that protesting is not only a right but is also a duty to Americans to protect? Why do you hate America so?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:34 pmWhy is it that you hate freedom so?
June 30th, 2007 at 3:45 pmI love Freedom and that includes the freedom to decide what I want to do something about.
Why do you reject the Constitution?
The constitution is a fundamental part of who I am and the most improtant thing in this country. Because I have more pressing concerns than to stand out in the sun with you to accomplish nothing, I don’t respect it?
Why can’t you help save the Iraqi children?
I wasn’t asked to, and I have enough American children that I need to focus my attention on.
Why are you like the evil doers?
Ooooook
Why can’t you just agree that protesting is not only a right but is also a duty to Americans to protect?
Protesting is a right, doing something useful is different. The beauty of our country and constitution is the RIGHT to FREEDOM. You want to switch that to DUTY to MARCH.
Why do you hate America so?
heh I love this country and the constitution more than you can imagine. But you seem to think that walking around with other people is the way to get things done. I’m sorry you feel that way.
Do you all mean to say that you can’t even go to some local protest? Honestly, let the truth be told that if you don’t even protest in a minimal sort of way this blog is not the equivalent of a protest. TPTB love it that you come here as you are no threat to the grip of tyranny! They have our IP addresses and everything we say but realize that this is nothing but talk. Protesting the government is one of your flukin rights. It is first on the list since it is the most important but equal to and dependant on the 2nd Amendment!
Comment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
I’m sorry, were you talking to me? I was watching “The Dead Zone” on TV.
You didn’t answer the question I had, and I guess I was unclear. You seem to like to blame all of us (mostly liberals) because the Republicans (mostly conservatives led by neo-cons) rigged the election. That’s fine, because we’ve read the reports from sources we trust ourselves. But most of us voted. Had a small number of the millions who didn’t vote showed up and cast a vote against the “Evil-doers” (as they like to call they think are different), we wouldn’t be sitting here enjoying your comments.
As for Do you all mean to say that you can’t even go to some local protest? Honestly, let the truth be told that if you don’t even protest in a minimal sort of way this blog is not the equivalent of a protest.
I guess I meet your minimal requirements, because I have been involved with one protest against the Iraq war, and we’re about to do our next one in two weeks. And we’ll do it once a month until the troops come home. http://www.pawlingdems.org
BTW, I am not registered with their party; I just attended the anti-war protest march they organized. I am Unaffiliated.
I understand that you are angry and so you lash out with those wild and crazy things about my parents’ basement. If you must know, I own my own home, so it is my basement, and I don’t go down there unless I have to. I’m actually sitting here doing this in plain view of anyone who walks by the house. My house. I’m an adult.
Oh, and I guess I wouldn’t be me if I didn’t make one slight correction to one of your other sentences. You wrote:Protesting the government is one of your flukin rights. It is first on the list since it is the most important but equal to and dependant on the 2nd Amendment! Actually, the First Amendment reads:
So, technically, it’s not “It is first on the list,” it’s more like 2nd, 4th and 5th on this list. But it is the most important Amendment, or else we wouldn’t have been able to carry on this conversation for so long without some “jackboots” having already broken down our froont door and hauled our asses off to GTMO.
Gotta run, it’s been fun. The Mets are on now. B’bye.
June 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pm#346 What do the crowing craniums do? Creating controversy is hardly a movement, it’s nothing more than obfuscation. And its exactly what the GOP and it’s conservative movement has done for the last decade. Yap Yap Yap. Grover Norquist? Yap Yap Yap about small government and take a bunch of money for it, did government get smaller? No. What all the years of obfuscation did was create a cloak of obfuscation to slide legislation past peoples nose while the greedy lobbyists and their cohorts ran amok . Ralph Reed, Scanlon admitted to fleecing the ‘wackos’ conservatives. The conservative movement got hijacked because they thought by buying off people they could change things and they did, FOR THE WORSE.
We must get rid of the lobbyists to foment change.
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Sorry, I only just noticed your post.
So true! Several threads back, I posted about the REAL ID ACT and its intended implementation time frame of 2008-09. If you don’t have REAL ID you will not be able to collect social security, get on a plane, drive, bank, purchase a gun, etc. This is openly Anti-Constitutional legislation. How can it even be called legislation? I suppose because a bunch of blood sucking lawyers say so! It is our right and responsibility to protest and then ultimately abolish this government if they will not yield. If none of the citizen’s rally to protest then the Plutocrats keep on going with their REAL IDs and Patriot Acts.
My view is that you are correct but also that ending the lobbies will have to come later after the government is shat canned!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:53 pmI’m sorry, were you talking to me? I was watching “The Dead Zone†on TV.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
No, I gave up on that since your mom’s basement is too beep for you to hear anything Wayne!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:58 pmComment by WC — June 30, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
I read your post, I disagreed (with that which made any sense whatsoever (and there was very little, indeed, that did)), you insulted me, so I evaluated your comment:
June 30th, 2007 at 3:59 pmYour post didn’t have a point, it was sarcastic Lefty twaddle.
Is a valid assessment.
Comment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Is this what he arguments have been reduced to???
June 30th, 2007 at 4:01 pm“When are you moving out of your mom’s basement?”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
heh I love this country and the constitution more than you can imagine. But you seem to think that walking around with other people is the way to get things done. I’m sorry you feel that way.
Comment by Tundra — June 30, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Honestly, you at one point sounded intelligent but as it turns out you are a frakkin idiot like so many others. Protest is a Right and a Duty FULL STOP. If we don’t exercise our RIGHTS every now and again we forget our duty to the Constitution. Sorry I didn’t read that entire reply since your mom’s basement walls must be interfering with your dial-up adapter. I can fill in the blanks though with my general impression of your mission:
June 30th, 2007 at 4:09 pmYou are a lazy piece of stinky sh*t and you do nothing but stink up the place!
6 30 ThnkPgs re polls –Sop JK
The pattern of the polls parallels the amount and content of the information the general public is provided. When the media, that most Americans have access to, were full participants (prior to the bombing and invasion of Iraq) in selling the war and preventing the truth from being told or considered the polls reflected this in large percentages supporting the idea of the invasion and associated war crimes. But knowingly trumpeting the lies and blocking out the truth was only part of their role. They enthusiastically pumped out the lies and deceptions with a full around the clock propagandistic blitz of swelling patriotic music, along graphics, slogans, and themes designed to instill both feelings of pride and ultra-nationalism, and a sense of superiority and contempt for the hundreds of thousands who were about to be slaughtered.
Now that some truth is allowed and to the degree it is allowed along with some fact-checking exposing disinformation, the polls reflect that. The media, to paraphrase the “Moody Blues” song:
The analysis of the poll doesn’t mention that there is no “War on Terror” and it is not possible to have one, yet the poll and analysis is provided with the premise that such an entity exists outside of the plotted power grab and the usurpation of the inalienable rights of Americans and the rest of humanity around the globe.
June 30th, 2007 at 4:55 pmIts time to expose the lies and false premises and to allow the power of the truth to wash away the slime of deception in order to save this Republic, rescue and repair our Constitution and allow the rest of humanity to have what the law requires in the “Universal Declaration of Human Rights”.
JK
You are a lazy piece of stinky sh*t and you do nothing but stink up the place!
Comment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
As my 10 year old would say “Look who’s talking?”
June 30th, 2007 at 5:06 pmAs my 10 year old would say “Look who’s talking?â€
Comment by Vinnie — June 30, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Duhuhuh as my den yer old wood say uuuuu,,,
GFY
Hey if you just kill your family and then kill yourself you would substantially reduce carbon emissions Vin! The Japanese made just such sacrifices for Tojo in WW2.
June 30th, 2007 at 5:45 pmIf you really want to consider what W has done for this nation, think about this:
June 30th, 2007 at 5:48 pmWhen Clinton took office, the Canadian dollar was worth 83 US cents.
When Bush took office, the Canadian dollar was worth 66 US cents.
Currently, the Canadian dollar is worth 93 US cents.
If you do a dollar vs. Euro study, it is even worse. When W took office, the Euro was less valuable then the US Dollar, now, it is more valuable.
This decay in the value of US currency can be directly attached to W’s inane occupation of Iraq. Every dollar that is sent to China to support this occupation dilutes the under laying value of our nation’s currency.
This decay in the value of US currency can be directly attached to W’s inane occupation of Iraq. Every dollar that is sent to China to support this occupation dilutes the under laying value of our nation’s currency.
Comment by WaltTheMan — June 30, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
We can agree there is a problem with currency devaluation. The missing point in this that explains the US Mideast presence is OPEC. Before 9-11 Iraq switched its oil for food account from US DOLLARS to EURO DOLLARS at a loss. OPEC till that only traded in US DOLLARS no matter who was trading. As it happens all of the Axis of Evil countries want to move OPEC to only trading in EUROS.
June 30th, 2007 at 6:07 pmSo the Iraq invasion could be viewed as a gangland beating and muscle flexing to keep all of OPEC on the dollar. What do you think would happen if OPEC moved to the EURO?
“I wasn’t asked to, and I have enough American children that I need to focus my attention on.”
Way too many children, period. Humans need to stop defaulting to popping out so many pups.
June 30th, 2007 at 6:25 pmFreedomrings:
The tenor of your comments reveal a lot more about you than you seen to realize.
There are two reasons why there are few protests in the streets against the Iraq War:
1) The Internet has made street protests obsolete. Barrages of angry e-mails have a much greater effect on the powers-that-be than any street protest can. Besides, the media no longer pay much attention to street protests in this country, so why bother?
2) When compared to the massive protests during the Vietnam War, you must factor in one thing that’s missing from our current military adventure in Iraq: NO DRAFT. Lest we forget, 80 percent of the more than 500,000 U.S. troops who were sent to Vietnam were draftees. Most of the Vietnam-era protests had more to do with the draft than for the war itself. Once Nixon did away with the draft in 1973, the protests disappeared almost overnight.
It is because of the absence of the draft that opposition to the war in Iraq has taken much longer to build up than that against the war in Vietnam. Even today, more than 50,000 Americans who fled to Canada to escape the Vietnam draft still live north of the border, despite President Jimmy Carter’s blanket pardon in 1977. Most of them are now naturalized Canadian citizens.
My point? If Congress was foolish enough to bring back the draft, opposition to the Iraq War would explode on the streets AND in the voting booth.
June 30th, 2007 at 6:40 pmThe tenor of your comments reveal a lot more about you than you seen to realize.
There are two reasons why there are few protests in the streets against the Iraq War:
1) The Internet has made street protests obsolete. Barrages of angry e-mails have a much greater effect on the powers-that-be than any street protest can. Besides, the media no longer pay much attention to street protests in this country, so why bother?
2) When compared to the massive protests during the Vietnam War, you must factor in one thing that’s missing from our current military adventure in Iraq: NO DRAFT. Lest we forget, 80 percent of the more than 500,000 U.S. troops who were sent to Vietnam were draftees. Most of the Vietnam-era protests had more to do with the draft than for the war itself. Once Nixon did away with the draft in 1973, the protests disappeared almost overnight.
It is because of the absence of the draft that opposition to the war in Iraq has taken much longer to build up than that against the war in Vietnam. Even today, more than 50,000 Americans who fled to Canada to escape the Vietnam draft still live north of the border, despite President Jimmy Carter’s blanket pardon in 1977. Most of them are now naturalized Canadian citizens.
My point? If Congress was foolish enough to bring back the draft, opposition to the Iraq War would explode on the streets AND in the voting booth.
Comment by SkeeterVT — June 30, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
I appreciate the civil discourse but I disagree. My opinion for what that is worth is that people are subjected to group think on many levels. This time around there was an attack on US soil on 9-11. Modern Joseph Gobbles techniques of population control are in full effect. Look at today’s police and compare them to the 60ies police. They are now terrifying to many.
Some of our learned characteristics like “individuality via how we dress†and “terminal individuality†prevent unification. At the same time the police and military use direct “group-think†and are unified. This demoralizes those not in those groups. The internet and TV stand against us since these devices help to shape our thoughts and desires. Science has mapped out more than the genome my friend. The whole story is that we have been divided and will not fight back since we are ultimately doing what we are told through powerful propaganda and programming.
Protests are essential and are done all around the world. Bush must be typing for you when I read, “The Internet has made street protests obsolete. Barrages of angry e-mails have a much greater effect on the powers-that-be than any street protest can. Besides, the media no longer pay much attention to street protests in this country, so why bother?†You wrote it so read it and tell me how that does not sound like something Joseph Gobbles would have said? Edwin Bernaise was essential to modern mind control and helped media to be “in on the programming†along with spreading better FUD and all of the rest. You may be part of it for all I know?
Congress wants us right here and till there are REAL protests, strikes and the like we will watch the military state strangle everything!
June 30th, 2007 at 7:14 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
aw, shoot, wayne… i’m sorry…
as i’d written, i skimmed through the last comments without really reading, and wasn’t thinking about YOU at all… i was annoyed with
the troll tag team though…
all for the best, as it happens… i needed to get up and out side for some chores, then a family meeting , more errands and chores…
and i sit down here to chatch up and i read this:
Wayne knows that it is important to be clear [...]
Comment by Mr. President @ 12:39 pm
and realized that i’d probably offended you, and i want you to know that,
of course, i so didn’t mean to do that… yeesh… ugh…
but i got a lot done today! … so should i be grateful to the… nah…
June 30th, 2007 at 10:28 pm…
No offense taken, katy.
I don’t mind being asked why I do it. Sometimes I have to think about it and try to figure out if it really is worth the effort. If I come away from it having learned something, then I believe it was, and I usually do leasrn something in reading comments and doing my own researching. Sometimes learning something can almost be as good as getting something done. :)
When I’m responded to with reason and, what appears to be, an honest attempt to prove one’s point, then I have to something upon which to debate. If I’m responded to with idiotic attacks about my parents’ basement (haven’t seen it in years) or some such idiocy like that, then I decide whether I want to pretend to continue to debate or just catch the other guy in a logical contradiction or, failing that, expose some aspect of his personality that proves he has no human heart and should not speak to what humans do for policy.
But I have been learning to do this the hard way, such as when I wasted a Saturday afternoon last year trying to understand what wwallace was trying to prove. My head still spins when I think about that one.
Anyway, you’ve no need to apologize, and I am sorry if my communications with them spoiled your plans to enjoy some time at TP. Keep on postin’, katy. Yours are definitely among the ones I like to read.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:40 pmwhy, thank you, wayne!
July 1st, 2007 at 2:33 pmsame to ya!
The position of the government, including the so-called party of opposition, in starting and continuing this war shows clearly how the levers of governance are not in the people’s hands, and that our “democracy” remains (as intended by the Founders) an oligarchy informed, but not actually controlled by the people.
When a US Representative in the House represents about 700,000 people you got to know he doesn’t represent you very much. Money is still king.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:37 pmComment by Mr. President ® — June 30, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
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There is no sarcasm involved. Where the hell did you get that idea?
Bush, Powell, and Bremer have all said that we’d leave Iraq if the Iraqis asked us to go. But if Democrats or any American against this “war” ask Bush to bring the troops home, hell no. Where is the “sarcastic lefty twaddle” in that? All I’ve done is re-post quotes from current and former members of this administration to prove a point; they have said this, dude, not me.
Typical responses that you’ve given. You can’t debate the subject of what I’ve been posting, and brush it off by some damned reference to sarcasm.
If there’s any sarcasm involved, it’s Bush’s response to the suggestion that America will pull out of Iraq (you know…cut and run) if the Iraqi government asks us to leave. Bush is full of shit and we all know it. Bush isn’t going anywhere.
So I insulted you? Boo hoo. Like a good little troll, you avoid the subject of discussion all together. You won’t debate it or discuss it because you CAN’T.
July 1st, 2007 at 8:16 pm