REPORT: Public Expresses Solid Opposition To Bush On Iraq
REPORT: Public Expresses Solid Opposition To Bush On Iraq
This week, Senators Richard Lugar (R-IN) and George Voinovich (R-OH) joined a growing chorus of conservative voices dissenting from the administration on the war in Iraq. Lugar said that victory in Iraq is “almost impossible.” Voinovich predicted that “many of us are going to look at legislation that will limit the number of troops.”
But while conservative lawmakers are dissenting in greater numbers, the White House is still insisting that we are making progress in Iraq. As recently as June 18, Tony Snow maintained that President Bush is “impressed and reassured by the progress [Iraq is] making on political, security and economic reforms.” Despite these rosy assessments however, recent public opinion polls suggest that most Americans aren’t buying what the President is selling.
According to an analysis of public opinion polls by American Progress fellow Ruy Teixeira, 54 percent of Americans believe that the situation in Iraq has gotten worse and only 29 percent believe that the United States is winning the war on terrorism:
Despite Lugar’s criticisms of the Bush administration, he has no intention of acting on his rhetoric. Earlier this week he said that congressional measures aimed at curtailing U.S. military involvement in Iraq, including “so-called timetables, benchmarks,” are “very partisan” and “will not work.” But the American public broadly supports pulling out troops:
As Teixeira notes, the “public’s verdict on the surge is clear. We can only hope that this overwhelming opinion will embolden more and more members of Congress to call for (as Sen. Voinovich put it) ‘a comprehensive plan for our country’s gradual military disengagement’ from Iraq.”
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And public’s opinion matters?
June 30th, 2007 at 9:20 amHey, I know. Let’s just stay with the ruling minority!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:26 amFunny how so few people are protesting but always have time to take a poll. Like here is a good question…
Who thinks posting diatribe will stop the war?
Who thinks that a strike/stay at home protest is action through inaction?
Who is going to go to a large protest march this month?
Who thinks the 1st Amendment is silly?
June 30th, 2007 at 9:26 amREPORT: Public Expresses Solid Opposition To Bush On Iraq
REPORT: Clearly That Doesn’t Count For Much Given That You’ve Posted This Same Story 438 Times Previously
Seriously, if his name was Edward I. Dontcarewhatthepollssay would that help you figuring this shit out ?
June 30th, 2007 at 9:28 amEither it emboldens more members of Congress to take action or the people will sweep these monkeys out of office when their terms are up.
The ultimate power WILL finally rest with The People who will hold these fools’ feet to the fire.
As for Presidential candidates, the difficult questions must be asked right now and, if they are reticent about stating the “how” of accomplishing the will of the american people (war, health care, open borders) then the People will reject them.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:33 amAnd public opinion matters?
Comment by No-one in particular — June 30, 2007 @ 9:20 am
June 30th, 2007 at 9:40 amNot a bit!
Uh. Too hungover to troll…
June 30th, 2007 at 9:41 amThat’s a nice super majority wanting out. Now about those expensive terrorist creating military bases…
June 30th, 2007 at 9:42 amUh. Too hungover to troll…
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 9:41 am
June 30th, 2007 at 9:42 amYou’re no troll, so shut up.
Never even heard of you you moron. You shut up.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:45 amHey, I know. Let’s just stay with the ruling minority!
Comment by Quizmos
They have a tendency, over the centuries, to drive the yellow and black shortbus, passengers drunken with amoral avarice, a goldenspooned oedipus at the helm, over cliffs edge time and again.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:46 amUh. Too hungover to troll…
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 9:41 am
HUnGOVeR!!!!*!!!!*!!!!*!!!!*!!!!*!!!!!!!!*!*!*!*!
Are YOU TELlING ME ThAT YOU ABuSE ALCOHOL!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!
Gaydar3000
I aM ASHAMeD Of YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*!*!*!**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I ThOUGHT YOU KNeW BETtER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*!*!*!*!*!*!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:47 amI GUeSS I WaS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…
There is no troll, like a hungover troll…
June 30th, 2007 at 9:51 am‘Progress’…yes, Progress is the word used now to describe what’s happening in Iraq….
It is an elastic word,and unmeasurable.
That is why it is frequently used now….
June 30th, 2007 at 9:51 am‘We are making progress…’ and that means really nothing,and it can mean also a lot..but there is no way of putting your finger on anything…
These people should be kept under surveillance.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:52 amWho are these 25%? Even the most liberal people I know realize that cutting and running immediately means President Hillary is sending them back in 2 years.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:53 amYeah. I was drinking until six this morning. Got a problem with it?!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:54 amWillyloman,
I apologize for calling you an Islamo-Stalinist last night.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:54 amIt was really just Snowball.
I heard one of the Generals assurting that the “proof” that there was progress being made, was the fact that more US troops where being killed.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:55 amSomehow, his logic dictated that this was evidence of a more desperate insurgancy and more conflict between them and our soldiers.
They have a very strange way of measuring “progress”
Yeah. I was drinking until six this morning. Got a problem with it?!
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Well, Shit.
I’m STILL DRINKING!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:55 amHold on let put on my troll-face
June 30th, 2007 at 9:56 amAll your onion rings belong to us.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:56 amThat’s better!
June 30th, 2007 at 9:57 amWho are these 25%? Even the most liberal people I know realize that cutting and running immediately means President Hillary is sending them back in 2 years. Comment by m12
The 25% are chickenhawks of course. Besides it was 10 years after Bush Sr cut and run until Junior sent them back.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:57 am“Leahy (D-VT) and Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), the chairmen of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees respectively. “Whether or not we have the benefit of the information we have directed you to provide by July 9, we will take the necessary steps to rule on your privilege claims and appropriately enforce our subpoenas backed by the full force of law.”"
Pathetic. They aren’t enforcing their subpoenas. They’re threatening to enforce them.
Typical democrat pussyfooting.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:58 amI apologize for calling you an Islamo-Stalinist last night.
Comment by AVGVSTINVS of PiPpo
Thanks. But I’ve been called worse by my mother. I think she actually called me an Islamo-Stalinist just last week.
But again, thanks.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:58 amWelcome, Mr. President.
What can we do for you today? As you know, we all serve at your your pleasure.
June 30th, 2007 at 9:59 amIf America does NOT leave Iraq now there will be no chance of reconciliation from sectarian wars in Iraq
Leave them to sort this mess out now before its TOO LATE
Idiots
June 30th, 2007 at 10:00 amI apologize for calling you an Islamo-Stalinist last night. Comment by AVGVSTINVS of PiPpo
Okay who stuck the lump of coal back into PIPs chest? =)
June 30th, 2007 at 10:00 amWelcome back, Mr. President. Your TeliTubbies high chair is ready for you. Will you be having you usual “PBR in a SippyCup” this morning?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:01 amThese stats prove nothing.
Take individuals like, oh I don’t know… The Joker.
He wants to leave Iraq so the Muslims will all kill each other, so of course he would say that things are worse.
However these stats do not differentiate between the various reasons why people feel the way they do.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:01 amWelcome, Mr. President.
What can we do for you today? As you know, we all serve at your your pleasure.
Comment by DemocraticMajority — June 30, 2007 @ 9:59 am
June 30th, 2007 at 10:02 amBend over and let Cheney reem you real good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These stats prove nothing. Mr. President
They do prove one thing… that no one cares, Executive or Legislative, about the will of the people anymore.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:03 amThanks. But I’ve been called worse by my mother. I think she actually called me an Islamo-Stalinist just last week.
But again, thanks.
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 9:58 am
No problem.
Man, but that Snowball jerk was a real Islamo-Stalinist.
It was sick.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:04 amVery well, Mr. President.
But please ask Mr. Cheney not to shoot us in the face.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:04 amJust to clarify; Is there such a thing as a Islamo-Maoist?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:05 amOkay who stuck the lump of coal back into PIPs chest? =)
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 10:00 am
What?
I was wrong about willyloman, so I apologized.
Snowball on the other hand is another story…
June 30th, 2007 at 10:06 amBend over and let Cheney reem you real good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President ®
His pacemaker would probably blow out before you even got your pants down around your ankles. LOL [:~P
June 30th, 2007 at 10:07 amSo 43% believe that the situation is getting better or staying the same, even though Bush’s numbers hover around 30%. Sounds as if some of those who dislike Bush right now are still hip to the war.
If the libteenies werent busy assjacking the military every chance they get, we might be able to win this thing quicker.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:07 am#25 Agreed wholeheartedly! Everyone is getting sick of the pussyfooting Dems who are idly threatening every day. What’s that all about anyway? All they’re succeeding in doing is turning off people who voted them into office during the midterms! People (dems) are repudiating them by the droves these days. Hopefully, before it is too late, they will realize their folly in issuing continuous “idle threats”.
This is the new mandate to the Dems (and candidates, too!): “Either crap or get off the pot!”. It’s “overtime” now and the People will definitely “shoot the messenger” in 08 if you fail to enact the overwhelming mandate of the people.
After all, you were voted into office as the “messenger of hope” that this corruption would be brought to justice…..now you’ve become the “messenger of bull$hit”….pure, unadulterated bull$hit!
Out with the Turds!! Vote for The Third!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amWhat? I was wrong about willyloman, so I apologized.
Snowball on the other hand is another story…
Comment by Mr. President ®
Even the Grinches lump of coal finally became a real heart again…=)
June 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amJust to clarify; Is there such a thing as a Islamo-Maoist?
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 10:05 am
Patience, patience. Islamo-Stalinism is bad enough.
By the way, if you “google” the term “Islamo-Stalinism” you will get results that date back to ‘04 (maybe earlier) so this is a legit term.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:08 amNot quite awake yet Mr P?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:09 am[rattle rattle]
For your information, and as a public service from the Department of Homeland Security, please find below an official list of islamoterrorist groups. For further information, or if you wish to turn in your suspicious neighbour, please call our toll-free line 1-800-SECURITY.
1. Islamo-Stalinist
June 30th, 2007 at 10:10 am2. Islamo-Maoist
3. Islamo-Eurosocialist
4. Islamo-Fidelists
#39 Unfortunately, neither you nor the Bush Cabal can identify what “winning” actually means….never have and never will because it’s impossible to do so. This is NOT OUR WAR/NEVER WAS OUR WAR/ AND WE MEDDLED OURSELVES INTO THEIR CIVIL WAR. This is precisely why winning is definitely NOT possible. Besides, what is “winning”…..would it be “winning the heart and minds of those dead innocent Iraqis??”….or perhaps it would be “winning the heart and minds of the families of our dead military”….which would it be now??
June 30th, 2007 at 10:10 amVery well, Mr. President.
But please ask Mr. Cheney not to shoot us in the face.
Comment by DemocraticMajority — June 30, 2007 @ 10:04 am
Ah yes, you mean the patented move,
The Cheney Punch ™
June 30th, 2007 at 10:10 amsuspicious neighbour
Ok. Who’s the limey?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:11 amBesides, the stats have clearly shown that the “surge” has resulted in the three bloodiest (casualty ridden) months since our illegal invasion!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amPatience, patience. Islamo-Stalinism is bad enough.Mr. President
Well then, we have created a new classification of the rabid over zealous left. I am pleased.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amBy the way, if you “google†the term “Islamo-Stalinism†you will get results that date back to ‘04 (maybe earlier) so this is a legit term.
Comment by Mr. President ®
Eh? Theocratic Fanatical/Atheist Communism? WTF?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amThey do prove one thing… that no one cares, Executive or Legislative, about the will of the people anymore.
You must have missed the immigration debate and withdrawal due to overwhelming public outrage. More than likely because your man was busy withdrawing from you. Fata$$.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:12 amTo inject a touch of levity into a typical depressing day in the US: go to http://www.huffingtonpost.com and check out their headline today: Bush has lost his “MoJo”??? Heh-heh! When did he ever have it?? He’s lost more than his MoJo - he’s totally lost his marbles.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:13 amEven the Grinches lump of coal finally became a real heart again…=)
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 10:08 am
June 30th, 2007 at 10:14 amWell my custom cyborg CheneySeries ™ pacemaker runs on nothing but coal, oil, and gasoline!!!
(Muslims and Democrats too, but that’s a secret)
I guess with the demolition of the ridiculous immigration bill, Bush is not declared an “official lameduck” and without any hope of a legacy which can be spun in a positive fashion. Too bad, dude! Can’t say that you didn’t corrupt everything in your path to do so…
June 30th, 2007 at 10:15 amOut with the Turds!! Vote for The Third!!
Please do so. Id suggest Ned Lamont, he is a solid anti-war candidate.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:15 am…….now……not not…..not now…..but really “now declared an official lameduck……Ththththat’s all folks!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 amHey Mr. President. You used to be funnier before. Try to improve or someone’s going to outstage you.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 amWell then, we have created a new classification of the rabid over zealous left. I am pleased.
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Not so fast, willyloman.
There is a protocol for this type of thing…
Islamo-Maoist ™ ® ©
It seems that I am owner of that term now!
Mwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 amJust kidding, you get the credit.
50. Comment by He Who Will Be Obeyed
I’m sorry, I thought that 70% of us wanted that thing killed 3 weeks ago. And the vote lost by 6 votes?
your man
and who would “my man” be? I know I am going to regret an open ended question like that in this room.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:16 am#54 The news on the street is that it will be Bloomberg for sure….with a potential running mate of Al Gore who will save this country from eating itself.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:17 amHey Mr. President. You used to be funnier before. Try to improve or someone’s going to outstage you.
Comment by DisappointedCustomer — June 30, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Take another advil and get some shut eye.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:19 amTypical Anti-troll-troll Arrogance.
Just kidding, you get the credit.
Comment by Mr. President
Now, if I cn just parlay this into a gig as a commentator on MSNBC…
June 30th, 2007 at 10:19 amBy then, charlatan Fred Thompson (what a bad actor at that!) and the rest of the Rethug quacks will have all shot themselves in the foot one way or another…..Hillary, Biden, Edwards and Lieberman will be repudiated for their initial invasion vote…..and just about every frontrunner will have either war blood on their hands or will be considered “on the take” with receipt of campaign funds from the Holy Trinity: Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance. Clearly, Bloomberg can set a new precedent which will make the other blackmailed candidates look like ridiculous prostitutes….People still don’t trust Obama because of his “no show” on the Gonzocchio cloture vote….so, I’d say….the field is still open for two who are “totally clean” to enter the race and save us from self-destruction.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:19 amNot quite awake yet Mr P?
[rattle rattle]
Comment by Zep Tepi — June 30, 2007 @ 10:09 am
So, are you Mr. G.?
(shake, rattle, roll)
June 30th, 2007 at 10:20 amSir, no sir.
I will not get any sleep. This weekend is dedicated to drunken trolling and anti-troll-trolling. No sleep until Brooklyn.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:20 amCBS: 77 Percent Believe Iraq War Going Poorly
June 30th, 2007 at 10:21 amComment by DisappointedCustomer — June 30, 2007 @ 10:20 am
June 30th, 2007 at 10:22 amWell I don’t see you out there fightin’ for y’ right!!!!!!!!
When are the “BIG MARCHES?â€
When are the “ANTIWAR PROTESTS†that have more people than a trio?
What about a love-in who can “SHOW THE LOVEâ€
When is there going to be a national strike?
The progressive movement seems to be a sham when only a few people are willing to think progressively and do any or all of the above. Yesterday someone here said to me, “Strikes are one of the main elements of class warfare. Who exactly are we striking against? Wouldn’t that be workers striking against their employers?†This idiot has his head unscrewed. Unfair taxation is a weapon of the Plutocrats along with runaway national debt. Practicing our 1st Amendment right to protest and address the government with our grievances is essential to our liberty.
Some people here despise liberty enough that they would claim that a national strike would be (some individual said this) “an insurgency.†Unreal, can you imagine the depravity needed to make such a claim? The 1st Amendment allows protest. If 100,000,000 people march on DC that is fine but the USA is large enough and energy prices so high that many citizens that may want to attend will not be able to afford the trip. Out of those 100,000,000 people 100% of them who work would need to take the day off in order to go to the protest.
Some people here are actually calling for more taxes rather than abolishing the problem called “The Federal Reserve.†The nation implemented a “Personal Income Tax†in WW1 and then started collecting said tax during WW2. How is it that Americans managed to survive from 1776 to around 1913 without a personal income tax? How did all of those governmental buildings get built? None of the money collected by personal income taxes pays for anything the people use. Guess what that money (PIT) is used for?
The progressive movement is not a movement at all. Pure diatribe, apathy and hate and no end in sight. It almost seems like people do blogging like this to create the illusion that they want the war to end, etc. but in reality they just want the flakin Iraq oil too. I could be wrong and I hope I’m wrong and the people choose the 1st Amendment so that the Government Officials are given one last chance to turn this around. So far this is just a lot of HOT AIR
By the way have a great day!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:22 am#65: It’s just a matter of massaging the message, you know. And I know what just went through your dirty little dem mind. I didn’t say “massaging the sausage”, so don’t even try that line with me. I’m not gay. I’m a perfectly normal heterosexual. You hear me!?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:23 amComment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 10:22 am
You Gotta Fight!
…
For Ya Right!
…
Ta post a long ass stupid comment on TP that no one is going to READ!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:24 amI would agree veritas. Thompson is mearly the second string AEI candidate waiting to see how McCain does in the starting line-up.
A decent “clean” candidate is around on both sides though, and one actually leads in the Repugs polls (Paul).
But, Kucinich( poor Dennis to bad you’re short and we are shallow) still struggles amoung Dems.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:24 am#66: That’s because I’ve already won my right to party, you know.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:25 amWow; freedomrings can cut AND paste! I am impressed.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:26 am#66: That’s because I’ve already won my right to party, you know.
Comment by DisappointedCustomer — June 30, 2007 @ 10:25 am
OK, sorry.
You know how it’s hard to get the message with the ill communication here at TP.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:27 amMr. Rove. My gaydar indicates something completely different.
Maybe Mr. President should classify that information.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:27 amI’m not gay. I’m a perfectly normal heterosexual. Mr. Rove
No worries. NO gay man dances like that.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:28 amOccupation Standing in the Way of Iraq’s Last Hope
June 30th, 2007 at 10:30 amComment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Oh why oh why does willyloman detest freedom so? Why does he hate Americans? Why is he an idiot when he had the same chance as smart people to love freedom?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:30 amBrown must seize the day - and break with Bush now
Every report from Basra in recent months has pointed out that the city is in the grip of armed strife between a variety of Shia militias intertwined with criminal groups. It is a chaotic contest in which, in the words of one British officer, “we are just another tribe” - though the British have the distinction of being the least popular and most conspicuous one, hence the fact that they are targeted by every militia. Even Blair publicly conceded that there is no al-Qaida activity in Basra, nor a Sunni insurgency. So Brown’s point about defeating terrorist extremism is irrelevant in Basra.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2114468,00.html
June 30th, 2007 at 10:31 amOccupation Standing in the Way of Iraq’s Last Hope
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 10:30 am
This is the stupidest oxymoron I have yet to hear
June 30th, 2007 at 10:31 amfrom you Islamo-Stalists.
THE OCCUPATION IS IRAQ’S LAST AND ONLY HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 10:31 am
June 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amTypical Islamophile Propaganda.
Looks like a troll circle jerk here. I think I’ll go back to bed.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:32 amErratum: post #79) should say - “Islamo-Stalinists”
June 30th, 2007 at 10:33 amWhen are the “BIG MARCHES?â€
When are the “ANTIWAR PROTESTS†that have more people than a trio?
What about a love-in who can “SHOW THE LOVEâ€
When is there going to be a national strike?
The progressive movement seems to be a sham when only a few people are willing to think progressively and do any or all of the above. Yesterday someone here said to me, “Strikes are one of the main elements of class warfare. Who exactly are we striking against? Wouldn’t that be workers striking against their employers?†This idiot has his head unscrewed. Unfair taxation is a weapon of the Plutocrats along with runaway national debt. Practicing our 1st Amendment right to protest and address the government with our grievances is essential to our liberty.
Some people here despise liberty enough that they would claim that a national strike would be (some individual said this) “an insurgency.†Unreal, can you imagine the depravity needed to make such a claim? The 1st Amendment allows protest. If 100,000,000 people march on DC that is fine but the USA is large enough and energy prices so high that many citizens that may want to attend will not be able to afford the trip. Out of those 100,000,000 people 100% of them who work would need to take the day off in order to go to the protest.
Some people here are actually calling for more taxes rather than abolishing the problem called “The Federal Reserve.†The nation implemented a “Personal Income Tax†in WW1 and then started collecting said tax during WW2. How is it that Americans managed to survive from 1776 to around 1913 without a personal income tax? How did all of those governmental buildings get built? None of the money collected by personal income taxes pays for anything the people use. Guess what that money (PIT) is used for?
The progressive movement is not a movement at all. Pure diatribe, apathy and hate and no end in sight. It almost seems like people do blogging like this to create the illusion that they want the war to end, etc. but in reality they just want the flakin Iraq oil too. I could be wrong and I hope I’m wrong and the people choose the 1st Amendment so that the Government Officials are given one last chance to turn this around. So far this is just a lot of HOT AIR
By the way GFY if you hate freedom!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:33 amLooks like a troll circle jerk here. I think I’ll go back to bed.
Comment by gummitch — June 30, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Thanks for your two-cents!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:33 am#81: Come on. The fun is just starting. Don’t leave. You’ve got the right to party, ya know?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:34 amWhy does he hate Americans? freedomrings
Now I remember you. You repeat that all the time, don’t you? clever…real, huh, clever.
What kind of dance was that anyway? Rove had like a GI Joe Kung Fu Grip thing going on, then he hpped arounded like a bunny.
Kindof a Kung Fu Bunny Dance
June 30th, 2007 at 10:34 amComment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 10:33 am
No fair, you get to repost shit!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:34 am#82: Did you swallow a smart-pill this morning, Mr. President? You sound much smarter than I’m used to.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:35 am#70 I would agree with you that Paul and Kucinich are “clean candidates” ; however, they lack the political heft to become frontrunners. That being said, at least as I view it, the official “frontrunners” are all tainted in one way or another so the “knight in shining armor” may, indeed, be Bloomberg who wouldn’t need a dime from special interests to run a great campaign, BTW.
Al Gore is perched at a pinnacle of success right now which will net him greater kudos when the concert occurs on July 4. It will be a “gore tsuname” of popularity and I wouldn’t be shocked if he made some moves toward a campaign soon.
However, what I find hilarious at the moment is the neonazi’s desire for Fred Thompson and what that says about our culture of corruption. It silently speaks volumes.
Fred Thompson cannot and will not engage in a legitimate debate of the issues because he doesn’t know the issues. What’s more, his addled brain is incapable of grasping the issues since he’s so personally out of touch with politics.
As well, Freddie’s popularity among the mindless locksteppers harkens them back to their hero, Ron Reagan, who was also an actor and they want so desperately to believe that Thompson will be their “new Reagan”. This is seriously flawed logic. Besides, Reagan was asleep at the switch for his second term, we all remember that.
Regardless, it illustrates vividly how the “office of the president” has become a joke where we prefer an actor (a B grade actor at best) whom we know can “act presidential” at least regardless of his ability to handle the job….what does that say about the office of president in this country?
What it says to me is that the right is looking for another “understudy” to fill in for the position just like Bush has been doing while Cheney is actually running a shadow government….making Bush’s brand of government look like slick puppetry…that’s what.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:35 am#82: Did you swallow a smart-pill this morning, Mr. President? You sound much smarter than I’m used to.
Comment by Mr. Rove — June 30, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Yep… sure did… I took two Flintstones vitamins… heheheh
June 30th, 2007 at 10:37 amThe Cheney Puppet Show! That’s what we’ve got now. We certainly don’t need a “Thompson Puppet Show” next, that’s for sure.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:37 amMr President: heheheh
Ah. There we go. Back to normal mode of business, aren’t we.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:38 amWhen the trolls are out littering the threads with detritus early on a Saturday morning, you KNOW the GOP is in trouble!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:38 amAgain, Veritas, I agree. Kucinich’s inability to poll well and the positioning of the “B rated actor” speaks volumes to what truely ails this country.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:40 amThompson will say whatever AEI tells him to say. The only difference between him and Bush is that he can, in fact, speak.
how about this for a campaign; Gore/Kucinich vs Bloomburg/Paul?
Either way, we are better off than we are now.
Peace can only be returned to Iraq by a negotiated end to the occupation and an acceptance by Washington and London that the Shia religious parties, in alliance with the Kurds and influenced by Iran, are going to run the country.
You should take on board simple facts about Iraq that Tony Blair never seemed to grasp. The occupation is disliked by most Shia and Sunni Iraqis and is supported only by the Kurds. When the US and Britain overthrew Saddam Hussein and his Sunni-dominated regime in 2003 they made it inevitable that the majority Shia community would rule and Iranian influence would increase. The contortions of US policy over the past four years are largely a vain attempt to avoid this outcome.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:40 amPublic opinion isn’t going to matter as long as the public doesn’t let their congresspeople know what they think about Iraq and other issues. Unfortunately few people take the time to call or write their congresspeople, so it gives them plausible deny ability. They can say “well my constituents are not clamoring for us to get out of Iraq, so I’m OK”. If they start hearing from their constituents that they want us out of Iraq and if the congressperson doesn’t vote to get us out, they will be voted out of office, then they will care and do something about it.
It’s really easy to contact your representatives. Just do a Google search for the name of your representative and either call or e-mail them. If you want to e-mail Nancy Pelosi and let her know what you think, here’s the link http://speaker.gov/contact/. I write her every day. I’m sure I am in her kill-file by now, but it makes me feel better to vent to her every day.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:41 am#93: To be honest, I’ve been drinking all night and I’m still drunk. And when you’re drunk , you’ve just got to troll it out on Raw, DKos, TP, Huff and other places. Dem blogs are a barrel of fun that never stops.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:41 amI took two Flintstones vitamins…mr. President
Both Wilmas? or a Betty and a Wilma? I like to insert the Bettys.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:43 amm12,
Next talking point please, the “cutting and running” line is way old. Those old men that designed this war lost it for us, they cut Americans throats and ran a cabal, true cutting and running.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:45 amIraqi politics increasingly resembles Chicago during Prohibition in the 1920s in which criminal mafiosi and politicians are linked together and disputes are settled violently. Turf wars are endemic.
British soldiers now have no role in southern Iraq other than to provide targets. The only reason for them to stay is that the White House does not want to be wholly bereft of allies on the ground, and it would be embarrassing to admit the futility of the British presence over the past four years.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:46 am#93: To be honest, I’ve been drinking all night and I’m still drunk. And when you’re drunk , you’ve just got to troll it out on Raw, DKos, TP, Huff and other places. Dem blogs are a barrel of fun that never stops.
Comment by Disappointed Customer — June 30, 2007 @ 10:41 am
I’LL DRINK T’ THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 10:47 amCHEERS!!!
Tobey: What do you think will happen if US or UK troops leave? Pure genocide. Are you willing to take that on your conscience?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:48 amWhen will the Progressive Movement learn how to love freedom and utilize the ENTIRE 1st Amendment? Why do so many here hate the Constitution?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:49 amTobey: What do you think will happen if US or UK troops leave? Pure genocide. Are you willing to take that on your conscience?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Of course not. He is typical arrogant, ignorant Lefty, that thinks he knows how shit works. In other words, he is a
June 30th, 2007 at 10:49 amTypical Lefty Know-it-all.
Earlier this week he said that congressional measures aimed at curtailing U.S. military involvement in Iraq, including “so-called timetables, benchmarks,†are “very partisan†and “will not work.â€
F’in’-A right timetables for withdrawl are partisan: the American people partisanly want them - insist on them…the F’-off republican party partisanly refuses to do their job to deliver what the American people want.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:49 am.
Are you willing to take that on your conscience?gaydar3000
And killing 200,000 for oil profits with depleted uranium armaments is what, a sedative?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:52 am-=US forces fired blindly on the innocent=-
June 30th, 2007 at 10:53 am#106: What a hysterical reply. Got any reliable references (no vague websites accepted) for that figure?
June 30th, 2007 at 10:53 amAnd killing 200,000 for oil profits with depleted uranium armaments is what, a sedative?
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 10:52 am
No. But you’re assuming an awful lot.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:53 amMake that #107
June 30th, 2007 at 10:53 amWhat a hysterical reply. Got any reliable references (no vague websites accepted) for that figure?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Hey Gaydar3000, you’re alright.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:55 amHey ccokz… what a wonderful moniker. We should meet.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:55 amI am not an Islamo-Stalinist.
I’m an Islamo-Trotskyite.
We’re all having a barbeque at Frieda Kahlo’s later today.
Long Live The Islamic Workers Of The World!
LOL!! 8^)
June 30th, 2007 at 10:57 amComment by Tom3 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Typical Islamo-Stalinist Smugness.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:59 amHere’s an interesting take on things.
In our paper today, former Rep. Ernest Istook (R-OK) writes an editorial entitled “Opinion of Congress at all-time low.”
He states that according to the latest Gallup Poll, only 14 percent of Americans approve of the job that Congress is doing.
Here’s part of his explanation: “For one thing, Congress has learned that it shouldn’t mess with the U.S. military. Democratic leaders are making long, drawn-out efforts to pull our military out of Iraq, even though Americans realize the troops’ job isn’t finished.”
He also makes a point to frame the Iraq debate as a “Democrats vs. the military” situation. “That pits the new majority directly against the group most highly respected by the American public — our men and women in uniform” he says. That should rally the base.
That’s right, folks. The Dems won the majority in 2006 from voters who knew exactly what their plans were for our troops…in other words, voters wanted the troops brought home, but lost favor with the public when they attempted to do just that.
Istook says that the group that wanted the troops brought home, and who abandoned the Dems when they failed to do just that, is the “extreme left.” He says, “It’s hard-line ‘bring them home now’ attitude turned off much of the rest of the country…”
June 30th, 2007 at 10:59 amHey guys,
Guess which troll I am!!!
Here’s a clue:
CHENEY 2008!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:00 amOkay, #117 was me… you caught me.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:01 amWhen will American hating Americans learn that if they actually want the war to end they will need to practice their 1st Amendment right. Jack LaLane once said it best when he said, “Now ladies, now ladies, if you don’t use it you’ll lose it!†So when are the MARCHES, LOVE-INS, RALLIES and STRIKES start? When will the degenerates here crawl out of their parent’s basements and start participating in politics?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:04 amIraq body count puts the numbers between 66 and 78 thousand.
That number does not reflect insugancy committed homicide that are not specifically classified.
The Pew study as we all know has the toll of deaths caused by the occupation around 500,000 + (famine, suicide disease, insurgancy) and may be high, but some still refer to the number as gospel.
However, somewhere in between (the Pentagon says probably over 100,000 deaths in Iraq as a result of the occupation) is the real number.
Any website that says anything over 2, will be classified as a Propaganda Site by most Repugs, so, that kind of limits my resources to quote.
But we all know that it’s been pretty nasty over there since Uncle George came to town. Or do some still think there is “progress”?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:05 am#119: Screw that. We rule the world and the rest of the world better learn that fast or be destroyed in the process.
Right, Mr. President?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:06 amTobey: What do you think will happen if US or UK troops leave? Pure genocide. Are you willing to take that on your conscience?
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Bush himself, in addition to several members of his administration, has said that if the Iraqis ask us to leave, we’ll leave. There is none of the blaming the Iraqis for wanting America to cut and run, none of the “oh the terrorists will win” or “the Middle East will collapse into chaos” when there’s talk of the Iraqi government asking us to leave. They ask us to leave…we are out of there.
But if any American who does not support this war, or member of Congress, suggests we need to bring the troops home? Oh no, we can’t do that. The terrorists will win. Al Qaeda will take over Iraq. The Democrats just want to cut and run. We can’t do timetables.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:08 am#106: What a hysterical reply. Got any reliable references (no vague websites accepted) for that figure?
You know, the number may be higher, as some reports suggest.
Does that make me “hysterical”?
Are you saying we didn’t go there for oil?
Does stating fact make me “hysterical”?
Do we not have Depleted Uranium Armaments?
Does pointing that out make me “hysterical”?
Or, is it that there is no real manner to support this kind of illegal action and so in desperation you have to attack the messenger as being “hysterical”?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:09 amComment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 11:05 am
Let me tell you like I told folks about one month ago.
Our goal is not to “steal oil”
June 30th, 2007 at 11:09 amWe invaded Iraq because Saddam was acting like a crazy dickhead.
Now, we have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Hence, we are learning from our mistakes and therefore we are not leaving Iraq.
“To implement these principles, I reaffirm now our willingness to withdraw our forces on a specified timetable. We ask only that North Vietnam withdraw its forces from South Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos into North Vietnam, also in accordance with a timetable.” - Richard Nixon, Address to the Nation on Vietnam. May 14th, 1969
I’m not sure I understand why you can’t talk about a timetable for withdrawal. It’s been done before.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amComment by WC — June 30, 2007 @ 11:08 am
We have to make sure that Iraq doesn’t become a filthy breeding ground for MuslimShiteaters ™ like Afganistan did. Period.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amugh… coming in at 120s… looks like another troll-yard scrapple…
well, if you haven’t already, you all need to see this… good for the soul:
DNC Spokesperson Chews Up Her RNC Counterpart
By: Logan Murphy @ 5:40 PM - PDT
Since the failed car bomb plot was uncovered in London the cable news networks have gone wall to wall terror. “Hardball†host, Chris Matthews brought in DNC Communications Director, Karen Finney to discuss the politics of terror with her counterpart from the RNC. Finney makes quick work of the RNC hack, slapping down her talking points about the Iraq war the second they spewed from her mouth. This is exactly how you deal with right wing spin and lies — come armed with the truth and never back down.
Major kudos to the DNC for hiring Finney, they could use a few more just like her.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 06/ 29/ dnc-spokesperson-chews-up-her-rnc-counterpart/
we could use a few more like her at TP also…
looks like the f’n snot-nosed troolls have taken over, again…
i miss getting good information from the comments here…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:11 amhappy saturday, peoples…
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#119: Screw that. We rule the world and the rest of the world better learn that fast or be destroyed in the process.
Right, Mr. President?
Comment by Mr. Cheney — June 30, 2007 @ 11:06 am
You Cot Damn Right Cheney!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:12 amGood morning, trolls under my direction.
I think we should get underway here. First act, we must unionize.
I need some names, please.
As a reminder, TP natives should be more respecful towards the “trolls.”
June 30th, 2007 at 11:12 amWhen oh when will the degenerates posting here crawl out of their parent’s basements and start participating in street level politics? When will their parents learn to kick them out of the nest and stop sucking the tit of sloth?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:13 am#123: Uh. In the first place, you’ve got a reliable reference for that 200000 figure? There’s no proof of any harmful effects from Depleted Uranium either.
Finally, of course we went in there for the oil. What’s your problem with that? America needs oil - it’s an existential requirement - but the public might not have agreed with such a realpolitik casus belli, so we had to figure out some excuse for going in.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:13 ami miss getting good information from the comments here…
happy saturday, peoples…
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Comment by katy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Don’t you mean,
“I get good misinformation from the comments here…”
???
June 30th, 2007 at 11:14 am#129: I’m with you. When can I expect to get my union card?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:15 amGood Morning, Dean Troller!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:15 amComment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 10:40 am
There are only two preconditions for peace in Iraq.
When those two conditions are met, the hard task of burying the past and rebuilding the country can begin.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amMr. President, I’m impressed by your research concerning “Islamo-Stalinism.” You have proven that it’s a serious (hidden) problem througout the world. How so many could support the intent of Muslamoid dominance is beyond me.
Profess, senior troll. You’re the chief academic here.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amOur goal is not to “steal oil†mr. president
Mr. President, with all due respect, I have to say that you are “misunderestimating” the intelligance of the people. We know what the bases there are. We know there were meeting that Cheney hides from the people in the lead up to the war; we know about the “Hydro-carbon Law” and we know about the Niger Yellow Cake being written by an AEI Fellow in employ of the Vice President.
The trouble with facts are; once they are known, they never go away.
You can’t go back to the same old talking points. It looks pathetic, quite frankly.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amLooks like a troll circle jerk here. I think I’ll go back to bed.
Comment by gummitch — June 30, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Mr P/gaydar/etc/etc has totally lost it meth… It’s difficult to sit by and watch. We need to develop techniques for cyberspace interventions
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amDoes this mean we have enough votes for Impeachment now?
If the cons are jumping off the USS Bush, then why wouldn’t they be in the market for a new cause?
Pelosi and Reid - here’s your chance to get them on board!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amFrom TP’s archives:
From the Washington Post, 5/15/04:
Secretary of State Colin Powell emphatically said yesterday that if the incoming Iraqi interim government ordered the departure of foreign troops after June 30, they would pack up without protest, but emphasized he doubted such a request would be made.
… “If the provisional government asks us to leave, we will leave,†Bremer said, referring to an Iraqi administration due to take power June 30. “I don’t think that will happen, but obviously we don’t stay in countries where we’re not welcome.â€
Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ html/ nationworld/ 2001929859_govern15.html
June 30th, 2007 at 11:17 amactually, i meant just what i said…
and with posters like freedom screeching away,
it’s obvious the intention is to turn anyone OFF from
“participating in street level politics”…
a lot of nerve hanging around HERE telling
June 30th, 2007 at 11:18 amothers to get out of their basements blahblahblah…
.
freedomrings and everyone else who says ‘Drop everything and protest’…
It must be nice being able to do that with no concern for where dinner’s going to come from and how I’m going to have a place to live in a month. Unfortunately, _I_ and many others like me do not have that luxury.
Protests held during the week? 10am on a Tuesday? I can’t make that! I work! Unfortunately, due to many American’s demand for services on a Saturday and Sunday, many people work those days too. Our 24/7 society makes it virtually impossible to pick a day that works for everyone. Add to that the fact that everything costs so damn much and that the people with the power have chained us to our jobs with threats of outsourcing and hiring illegal immigrants, and bam. We’re toast.
Protests just can’t work like the 60’s anymore. Everyone has too many bills…rent or mortgage, car note, insurance, utilities, and many of us, WAY too many damn credit cards. Stop working to strike? *best Manager Jerk Voice* “Well, sure. But your job will be held by someone else who isn’t a ‘bleeding heart liberal’ who won’t go running to every two bit anti-establishment protest that comes around. You gotta be a team player, or I’ll let you go and find one of all those other people who are out of work right now, or if I’m really good, an undocumented worker to do your job, for half as much as I was paying you. Have fun…” *smirk* Unemployment denied because you walked off the job. Banks too empty to live while fighting the decision. High priced lawyers on the corps side to try to ensure that denial. Lights turned off. Collectors start banging on your door while they drain the last of your savings accounts. Phones turned off. Kicked out of your house and now you’re one of the homeless…
Many people deal with that. Freedomrings, that is why you aren’t seeing people do more than blog over it. We’re held over the corporate barrel, and if we struggle, we’re cut off.
Maybe we’re destined to be ruled by the Bush Cartel.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:18 am#138: Detox. I hope you’re not looking forward to infringing on my right to party.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amWe know what the bases there are. We know there were meeting that Cheney hides from the people in the lead up to the war; we know about the “Hydro-carbon Law†and we know about the Niger Yellow Cake being written by an AEI Fellow in employ of the Vice President.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:20 amThe trouble with facts are; once they are known, they never go away.
You can’t go back to the same old talking points. It looks pathetic, quite frankly.
Comment by willyloman — June 30, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Typical Islamo-Stalinist Lefty Defeatist Hysteric Paranoia
I’m already procuring a working list here. Lets see:
CT_V1
Mr. President
Flaco
The Joker
Those are the first set of trolls under my academic direction. More are to follow, more are to be named. Other trolls, you can apply at any time.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:21 amThe Iraqi people must come to the point where their desire for peace is greater than their desire for revenge and/or power.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 30, 2007 @ 11:17 am
This is something that utterly escapes the conservatives… They don’t believe in free will. They think that people are generally incapable of deciding for themselves, so they appoint themselves into a position of authority (why they are some how more qualified escapes me), where they make the choices. And then we’re all supposed to be thankful…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:21 amWhen, oh when, will American hating Americans learn, that the Progressive Movement is an obfuscation to produce plausible deniability that posters here don’t want the oil when in fact they DO and are willing to do NOTHING but post diatribe to prove it! Why do you hate the children of Iraq so much? Why are you willing to kill to protect your Mint Mocha Frappichino? Why do you want a dictator when you could have freedom?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:22 amWe’re held over the corporate barrel, and if we struggle, we’re cut off. jeremy
Have you seen Sicko? It deals with this very same issue.
I highly recommend it.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:22 am#147: Stop spamming this thread with your copy-paste screeds.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:22 amMr. President, I’m impressed by your research concerning “Islamo-Stalinism.†You have proven that it’s a serious (hidden) problem througout the world. How so many could support the intent of Muslamoid dominance is beyond me.
Profess, senior troll. You’re the chief academic here.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — June 30, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Thank you.
I take it you saw the definitions?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:23 amSource: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ html/ nationworld/ 2001929859_govern15.html
Comment by WC — June 30, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Wow! Actual journalism… :D
Since I’ve been back in Georgia, I’ve come to learn that the cons speak like liberals (because the majority of the population is), but act like cons. They’ve learned that the only way they can play the game is to tell people what they want to hear, but then do exactly the opposite of that…
I cannot wait to get out of here…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:24 amWe just have to be louder than the obnoxious trolls, guys. If they chase us away, they win. And they DON’T have the majority here… We do.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amAh, what I would give for a Registration system and the ability to nominate someone for banning. Lesse…24 hours before they can post after registering, and a system where we can give kudos and crappos to posters…crapos only able to be given if you have a certain number of cudos in a certain amount of time, say, way more than only 5 people could ever give each other. And yeah, you can’t give cudos if you’re a net crapo person, either. That’d help too. But I guess THAT will never happen.
Well, can we at least have a Killfile, then?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:25 amTypical Islamo-Stalinist Lefty Defeatist Hysteric Paranoia
Comment by Mr. President ®
There you go! Disavow facts with slogans and labels! Nice example.
And by the way, now that I am elevated back to the ranks of ISLAMO-STALINIST I can retire for the day happy.
I will return to pursue the coveted title of Islamo-Maoist, later.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:26 amLesson #1 Islamo-Stalinism
Have these definitions committed to memory class:
Islamo-Stalinism: synthesis of the most retarded aspects of the Islam-loving Left and Stalinism.
Islamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:26 amAlso known as a Dhimmi.
Definitions by PRIMVS INTER PARES, The Joker
a lot of nerve hanging around HERE telling
others to get out of their basements blahblahblah…
Comment by katy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:18 am
If the shoe fits then get out of your parents basement katy! The shoe fits otherwise it would not matter! Your living in a basement, na na na na na na LOL
June 30th, 2007 at 11:26 am#153: Yeah, I’m sure you’d love a way to suppress the freedom of speech. You leftists you…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:27 amgood job, jeremy…
June 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amdon’t let the screechers get you down… their job is to bring you down…
most here know exactly what you’re talking about,
and understand completely…
keep on writing and calling you congress people and
do what you can…
I take it you saw the definitions?
Comment by Mr. President ®
Multiple times, yes. I was most intrigued with your assertion of not having invented the term. Can you briefly explain to the dean how you came to make this correct identification, how you successfully applied the term, Islamo-Stalinism?
It’s also amusing to see the crazies here attempt to reject a sound diagnosis. Progressivism, it seems, must equal Islamo-Stalinism.
MAGNIFICENT!
June 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amSicko is on our movie agenda. And you know the funniest thing? In the trailer, where the woman is saying that her ambulance coverage wasn’t covered by her insurance company? That exact same thing happened to us. And to boot, you can’t cancel your service except in *cough* open enrollment periods….”Oh, yeah, we cost you $700 in ambulance fees, but we’re going to continue collecting our $100 per month and $150 on 3 paycheck months and there ain’t jack you can do about it! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!” (I hate insurance)
June 30th, 2007 at 11:28 amCT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Check out Gaydar3000, does he make the cut?
June 30th, 2007 at 11:29 amFinally, of course we went in there for the oil. What’s your problem with that? America needs oil - it’s an existential requirement - but the public might not have agreed with such a realpolitik casus belli, so we had to figure out some excuse for going in.
Comment by Gaydar3000 — June 30, 2007 @ 11:13 am
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Not an excuse…rather a damned lie.
Over 3500 American deaths, not to mention the injured, some who will never walk, or talk, again, all for oil. Yeah, America needs oil, but those that produce oil need a market in which to sell it.
Lucky for Bush that 9/11 came along, eh? Not only does it give him an excuse to invade Iraq, it virtually guarantees him a second term by using fear of terrorist attacks to intimidate ignorant voters into selecting him again in 2004. Didn’t matter how shitty he may have governed during his first term…he was the “war” president and America better not elect someone else.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:29 amWell, can we at least have a Killfile, then?
Comment by Jeremy — June 30, 2007 @ 11:25 am
Something needs to be done. This is getting ridiculous.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:30 amComment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — June 30, 2007 @ 11:28 am
I did a simple search on Yahoo! and found the following reference:
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/ mod/ comments/ display/ 3792/ index.php
But it was me and The Joker who gave the term real meaning.
June 30th, 2007 at 11:31 am“[A]ll major polls show that the public favors withdrawals, with strong support for a timeline or total pullout within a year.
6/22/2006
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 06/ 22/ media-ignoring-public-opinion-on-iraq/
How many years in a row are we going to favor pull out within a year?
Almost 60 percent of voters say the U.S. should withdraw its troops from Iraq, with 40 percent who say get out immediately
June 30th, 2007 at 11:32 am12/07/2005
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 12/ 07/ almost-60-percent-of-voters/
Looks like the people are warming up to the war if you look at these previous topics. 24% percent saying get out immediatly now vs 40% a year and a half ago.
Tobey: What do you think will happen if US or UK troops leave?
there will be a little more fighting , then there will be reconciliations where killers of occupation forces will be recognised as legal and freed from prisons , then they will rebuild their country better than before with all their national resources,
and Bush will look a fool - Bush knows this but his vanity keeps killing more US troops
June 30th, 2007 at 11:32 amComment by Tobey Tall — June 30, 2007 @ 11:32 am
June 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amTypical Tobey-Ignorance.
Looks like a troll circle jerk here. I think I’ll go back to bed.
Comment by gummitch — June 30, 2007 @ 10:32 am
No, party on gaydar/mr p/etc/etc… but try to find some real-world friends to do it with
June 30th, 2007 at 11:33 amFinally, of course we went in there for the oil. What’s your problem with that? America needs oil. Gaydar3000
Ok, you’re close…now work with me on this.
Do they