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There is no sarcasm involved. Where the hell did you get that idea?

Bush, Powell, and Bremer have all said that we’d leave Iraq if the Iraqis asked us to go. But if Democrats or any American against this “war” ask Bush to bring the troops home, hell no. Where is the “sarcastic lefty twaddle” in that? All I’ve done is re-post quotes from current and former members of this administration to prove a point; they have said this, dude, not me.

Typical responses that you’ve given. You can’t debate the subject of what I’ve been posting, and brush it off by some damned reference to sarcasm.

If there’s any sarcasm involved, it’s Bush’s response to the suggestion that America will pull out of Iraq (you know…cut and run) if the Iraqi government asks us to leave. Bush is full of shit and we all know it. Bush isn’t going anywhere.

So I insulted you? Boo hoo. Like a good little troll, you avoid the subject of discussion all together. You won’t debate it or discuss it because you CAN’T.

When a US Representative in the House represents about 700,000 people you got to know he doesn’t represent you very much. Money is still king.

I don’t mind being asked why I do it. Sometimes I have to think about it and try to figure out if it really is worth the effort. If I come away from it having learned something, then I believe it was, and I usually do leasrn something in reading comments and doing my own researching. Sometimes learning something can almost be as good as getting something done. :)

When I’m responded to with reason and, what appears to be, an honest attempt to prove one’s point, then I have to something upon which to debate. If I’m responded to with idiotic attacks about my parents’ basement (haven’t seen it in years) or some such idiocy like that, then I decide whether I want to pretend to continue to debate or just catch the other guy in a logical contradiction or, failing that, expose some aspect of his personality that proves he has no human heart and should not speak to what humans do for policy.

But I have been learning to do this the hard way, such as when I wasted a Saturday afternoon last year trying to understand what wwallace was trying to prove. My head still spins when I think about that one.

Anyway, you’ve no need to apologize, and I am sorry if my communications with them spoiled your plans to enjoy some time at TP. Keep on postin’, katy. Yours are definitely among the ones I like to read.

aw, shoot, wayne… i’m sorry…
as i’d written, i skimmed through the last comments without really reading, and wasn’t thinking about YOU at all… i was annoyed with
the troll tag team though…

all for the best, as it happens… i needed to get up and out side for some chores, then a family meeting , more errands and chores…
and i sit down here to chatch up and i read this:
Wayne knows that it is important to be clear [...]
Comment by Mr. President @ 12:39 pm
and realized that i’d probably offended you, and i want you to know that,
of course, i so didn’t mean to do that… yeesh… ugh…

but i got a lot done today! … so should i be grateful to the… nah…
…

Comment by SkeeterVT — June 30, 2007 @ 6:40 pm

I appreciate the civil discourse but I disagree. My opinion for what that is worth is that people are subjected to group think on many levels. This time around there was an attack on US soil on 9-11. Modern Joseph Gobbles techniques of population control are in full effect. Look at today’s police and compare them to the 60ies police. They are now terrifying to many.
Some of our learned characteristics like “individuality via how we dress” and “terminal individuality” prevent unification. At the same time the police and military use direct “group-think” and are unified. This demoralizes those not in those groups. The internet and TV stand against us since these devices help to shape our thoughts and desires. Science has mapped out more than the genome my friend. The whole story is that we have been divided and will not fight back since we are ultimately doing what we are told through powerful propaganda and programming.

Protests are essential and are done all around the world. Bush must be typing for you when I read, “The Internet has made street protests obsolete. Barrages of angry e-mails have a much greater effect on the powers-that-be than any street protest can. Besides, the media no longer pay much attention to street protests in this country, so why bother?” You wrote it so read it and tell me how that does not sound like something Joseph Gobbles would have said? Edwin Bernaise was essential to modern mind control and helped media to be “in on the programming” along with spreading better FUD and all of the rest. You may be part of it for all I know?

Congress wants us right here and till there are REAL protests, strikes and the like we will watch the military state strangle everything!

The tenor of your comments reveal a lot more about you than you seen to realize.

There are two reasons why there are few protests in the streets against the Iraq War:

1) The Internet has made street protests obsolete. Barrages of angry e-mails have a much greater effect on the powers-that-be than any street protest can. Besides, the media no longer pay much attention to street protests in this country, so why bother?

2) When compared to the massive protests during the Vietnam War, you must factor in one thing that’s missing from our current military adventure in Iraq: NO DRAFT. Lest we forget, 80 percent of the more than 500,000 U.S. troops who were sent to Vietnam were draftees. Most of the Vietnam-era protests had more to do with the draft than for the war itself. Once Nixon did away with the draft in 1973, the protests disappeared almost overnight.

It is because of the absence of the draft that opposition to the war in Iraq has taken much longer to build up than that against the war in Vietnam. Even today, more than 50,000 Americans who fled to Canada to escape the Vietnam draft still live north of the border, despite President Jimmy Carter’s blanket pardon in 1977. Most of them are now naturalized Canadian citizens.

My point? If Congress was foolish enough to bring back the draft, opposition to the Iraq War would explode on the streets AND in the voting booth.

Way too many children, period. Humans need to stop defaulting to popping out so many pups.

Comment by WaltTheMan — June 30, 2007 @ 5:48 pm

We can agree there is a problem with currency devaluation. The missing point in this that explains the US Mideast presence is OPEC. Before 9-11 Iraq switched its oil for food account from US DOLLARS to EURO DOLLARS at a loss. OPEC till that only traded in US DOLLARS no matter who was trading. As it happens all of the Axis of Evil countries want to move OPEC to only trading in EUROS.
So the Iraq invasion could be viewed as a gangland beating and muscle flexing to keep all of OPEC on the dollar. What do you think would happen if OPEC moved to the EURO?

Comment by Vinnie — June 30, 2007 @ 5:06 pm

Duhuhuh as my den yer old wood say uuuuu,,,

GFY

Hey if you just kill your family and then kill yourself you would substantially reduce carbon emissions Vin! The Japanese made just such sacrifices for Tojo in WW2.

Comment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 4:09 pm

As my 10 year old would say “Look who’s talking?”

They take you up, they take you down, they put your feet back firmly on the ground.

The analysis of the poll doesn’t mention that there is no “War on Terror” and it is not possible to have one, yet the poll and analysis is provided with the premise that such an entity exists outside of the plotted power grab and the usurpation of the inalienable rights of Americans and the rest of humanity around the globe.
Its time to expose the lies and false premises and to allow the power of the truth to wash away the slime of deception in order to save this Republic, rescue and repair our Constitution and allow the rest of humanity to have what the law requires in the “Universal Declaration of Human Rights”.
JK

Comment by Tundra — June 30, 2007 @ 3:45 pm

Honestly, you at one point sounded intelligent but as it turns out you are a frakkin idiot like so many others. Protest is a Right and a Duty FULL STOP. If we don’t exercise our RIGHTS every now and again we forget our duty to the Constitution. Sorry I didn’t read that entire reply since your mom’s basement walls must be interfering with your dial-up adapter. I can fill in the blanks though with my general impression of your mission:
You are a lazy piece of stinky sh*t and you do nothing but stink up the place!

Is this what he arguments have been reduced to???

“When are you moving out of your mom’s basement?”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I read your post, I disagreed (with that which made any sense whatsoever (and there was very little, indeed, that did)), you insulted me, so I evaluated your comment:

Your post didn’t have a point, it was sarcastic Lefty twaddle.

Is a valid assessment.

Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

No, I gave up on that since your mom’s basement is too beep for you to hear anything Wayne!

Sorry, I only just noticed your post.
So true! Several threads back, I posted about the REAL ID ACT and its intended implementation time frame of 2008-09. If you don’t have REAL ID you will not be able to collect social security, get on a plane, drive, bank, purchase a gun, etc. This is openly Anti-Constitutional legislation. How can it even be called legislation? I suppose because a bunch of blood sucking lawyers say so! It is our right and responsibility to protest and then ultimately abolish this government if they will not yield. If none of the citizen’s rally to protest then the Plutocrats keep on going with their REAL IDs and Patriot Acts.

My view is that you are correct but also that ending the lobbies will have to come later after the government is shat canned!

Comment by freedomrings — June 30, 2007 @ 2:58 pm

I’m sorry, were you talking to me? I was watching “The Dead Zone” on TV.

You didn’t answer the question I had, and I guess I was unclear. You seem to like to blame all of us (mostly liberals) because the Republicans (mostly conservatives led by neo-cons) rigged the election. That’s fine, because we’ve read the reports from sources we trust ourselves. But most of us voted. Had a small number of the millions who didn’t vote showed up and cast a vote against the “Evil-doers” (as they like to call they think are different), we wouldn’t be sitting here enjoying your comments.

As for Do you all mean to say that you can’t even go to some local protest? Honestly, let the truth be told that if you don’t even protest in a minimal sort of way this blog is not the equivalent of a protest.

I guess I meet your minimal requirements, because I have been involved with one protest against the Iraq war, and we’re about to do our next one in two weeks. And we’ll do it once a month until the troops come home. http://www.pawlingdems.org

BTW, I am not registered with their party; I just attended the anti-war protest march they organized. I am Unaffiliated.

I understand that you are angry and so you lash out with those wild and crazy things about my parents’ basement. If you must know, I own my own home, so it is my basement, and I don’t go down there unless I have to. I’m actually sitting here doing this in plain view of anyone who walks by the house. My house. I’m an adult.

Oh, and I guess I wouldn’t be me if I didn’t make one slight correction to one of your other sentences. You wrote:Protesting the government is one of your flukin rights. It is first on the list since it is the most important but equal to and dependant on the 2nd Amendment! Actually, the First Amendment reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So, technically, it’s not “It is first on the list,” it’s more like 2nd, 4th and 5th on this list. But it is the most important Amendment, or else we wouldn’t have been able to carry on this conversation for so long without some “jackboots” having already broken down our froont door and hauled our asses off to GTMO.

Gotta run, it’s been fun. The Mets are on now. B’bye.