Al Gore writes in today’s NY Times.
Al Gore writes in today’s NY Times.
Next Saturday’s Live Earth concerts on all seven continents around the globe “will ask for the attention of humankind to begin a three-year campaign to make everyone aware of how we can solve the climate crisis.” In conjunction with the concerts, individuals are being are being asked to make some commitments to reduce carbon emissions and to help “shape and drive government action.” Gore writes:
To this end, we should demand that the United States join an international treaty within the next two years that cuts global warming pollution by 90 percent in developed countries and by more than half worldwide in time for the next generation to inherit a healthy Earth. [...]
Our children have a right to hold us to a higher standard when their future — indeed, the future of all human civilization — is hanging in the balance. They deserve better than a government that censors the best scientific evidence and harasses honest scientists who try to warn us about looming catastrophe. They deserve better than politicians who sit on their hands and do nothing to confront the greatest challenge that humankind has ever faced — even as the danger bears down on us.
Read the full op-ed here.
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The Bush Administration is seeking to eliminate federal funding for geothermal energy research according to a report from Reuters.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:22 amThe Department of Energy has not requested funds for geothermal research in our fiscal-year 2008 budget,” .
Geothermal energy produces NO Greenhouse Gasses. Estimates are that up to a THIRD of the energy used by American power plants could be supplied by Geothermal Energy.
Pennywise and Pound foolish.
Sign the live earth pledge:
http://liveearthpledge.org/algore.php
July 1st, 2007 at 9:29 amWhile I agree with him that he has been able to make a larger impact outside of politics, I still wish he’d care to make one from inside politics.
I’d love to see Gore/Feingold 2008…
July 1st, 2007 at 9:31 amI’m onboard with the following ticket :
Gore/(NOT Cheney)
Which is much better then the last election which was the old
(NOT Bush)/(NOT Cheney) ticket. TOO negative.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:38 amThis happens to fit nicely in this thread…
I’ll gladly concede that the whole “progressive†movement is a lost cause
Comment by Vinnie — July 1, 2007 @ 2:37 am
Vinaigrette-Judas,
That part of your message is THE ONLY FACT you have and you made it conditional by putting an “IF†at the end of that fact. You can’t change facts by including double entendre in your idiotic messages Judas. You never asked me if I had gone to protests you asked how I would go about creating a nationwide general strike to bolster the will of the people over our representative democracy. Can’t you read that progressives like you are worthless to any causes? Originally, I operated under the assumption that progressives would be the “get it done people†or the “make it happen people†but three or four weeks have opened my eyes to the truth that progressives suck. So, now I only point out the reality that your part of a movement alright, a bowl movement.
The reason my posts annoy the “hell†out of you (as you so coined) is due to several other facts that you forgot about. For starters you are an agent provocateur and that makes you the equivalent of a little boy who likes to torture puppies and kittens. After all you admitted your position several times since you are only here to fluck with me. Another reason that my posts annoy you is that they challenge your positions. One of your positions is that a carbon tax will help reduce global warming. Aside from the obvious problems with such a thing, money is no replacement for rationing except to feed the tank of your greed. It isn’t that I’m right and you’re wrong since the truth is money can never buy love or happiness.
Finally, what has you most perturbed about my presence here is when I explained to you an easy way to reduce carbon emissions. Let’s review this; you believe that the carbon atoms in the air come from the things that people do like operate cars. You believe that hybrid cars will help to reduce the amount of carbon atoms in the air. Now on the other hand I believe that population overshoot has out stepped the available resources to the population and no matter what you say or do our fate will be the same as that of the St. Matthew Island reindeer herd or the fate of the original settlers of Easter Island.
Compound population overshoot with something called “peak-everything†and the truth rings out like freedom. Too many people, applying too much demand, degrade and ultimately poison the systems that contain the excessive demand. As you attempt to spin that fact like an addict you suggest hyper efficiency cars and such but never address the underlying or root cause of all the problems: our physical existence here in the billions burning the energy of your offspring.
I believe that if you were honest you would completely rethink your stance and realize that there are only a few choices and frankly they all suck. We can’t “build†or “grow†our way out of resource depletion and we can’t sequester carbon while destroying oceans and cutting down trees. Henry Kissinger labeled us all as “Useless Eaters†and while I hate labels he is correct. Our lives have become meaningless and even silly and that should be of no surprise to anyone.
You wish to cut carbon through taxation. This sends shivers up and down my spine since I intuitively realize your purpose even though you may not. You don’t want to ration fossil fuel since you will have to do with less energy. Carbon taxation’s purpose is to foster something called “demand destruction†by hook or by crook the wealthy will increase the energy pool available to them while burdening everybody else with debt and diminishing expensive energy. Driving hybrids is not the same as conservation or cessation.
So, in the spirit of humanity if you sacrifice the lives of your family and yourself Vinnie, you would reduce emissions (only fractionally) and fractionally reduce resource demand thusly adding a fraction of a nanosecond to humanities TTL. As I stated on the thread you bookmarked you are looking for the best of both worlds Vinnie. You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to continue to use oil and at the same time attempt to limit everyone else’s use of oil and make the determining factor $$$$MONEY$$$$. Not quantity based rationing and conservation leading to cessation but demand destruction via $$$$MONEY$$$$.
Now, go on and blow it out of your exhaust pipe since the GREEN you are about is $$$$$. All one needs to do is follow the money to realize that you are like I said an agent provocateur. You have been defending the oil companies, factories, corporations and the plutocrats the whole time and the sick truth is that you may not even realize it. You are part of a pyramid scheme and that isn’t all that progressive.
If you were sincere about pollution reduction you would want rationing and conservation leading to cessation. Since you are insincere, load your family and yourself in a car and drive off a cliff and GFY
July 1st, 2007 at 9:41 amUhhl Gore would like our commitment, as usual, to be in the form of more taxes.
“Can I borrow your phone? Yes, I need a “taxi” to escape “gluubal wuurming.”
“How many credit cards with that be, sir? That’ll be four to be maxed-out for your cause? OK, got it, thank you. I’m all for it sir. I’m on you like a leech.”
July 1st, 2007 at 9:43 amTAXES?
Taxes?
Tuxus?
Tuxedos?
Mr. Gore, c’mon, make up your mind already. Nevermind, you’re a rarity since you can have it all in packaged form.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:47 am(NOT Bush)/(NOT Cheney) ticket. TOO negative.
Comment by mparker — July 1, 2007 @ 9:38 am
LOL Funny… Though, Kerry/Edwards would have been much better than another 4 years with Edgar Bergen (Cheney) and his lap puppet :D
As of November 2006, when they would have gained a Democratic Congress, the Iraq Occupation would now be over, we’d be in the process of developing alternative fuels, and a National Health Care study group would have been factored into the budget along with relief for Katrina, education overhaul and a plan to reduce the deficit…
And imagine if it had been Gore in 2000… No occupation of Iraq at all! National Health Care would be being established and we’d not be indebted to China…
Gore says he’s not interested in running, that he’s fallen out of love with politics…. Too bad. He’s really the right person for the job…
July 1st, 2007 at 9:48 amUhhl Gore would like our commitment, as usual, to be in the form of more taxes.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 9:43 am
Not only did Bush expand the government under his watch that increased taxes to the middle class, but he now has the United States indebted to a “Communistic” country of Atheists. You okay with that?
July 1st, 2007 at 9:50 amI can’t believe that Gore would have been off cutting brush with Al Qaeda warnings flooding into his office either.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:51 am#9
Better that than confiscatory Clinton tax rates.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:52 amTell you what. Let the Goracle convince China and India to sign onto this 90% cut, then I’ll consider it.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:54 amComment by unbelievable
Much of the expansion, understandably, is related to defense causes.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:54 amA case, you probably have with the tax breaks to the upper-class and middle-class tax pressures, however. Tax breaks are unprecedented during a time of war, the dean will give you that.
Better that than confiscatory Clinton tax rates.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 9:52 am
You are an idiot. Clinton is responsible for lowering the uppermost tax bracket from 50% to 35%.
Apologize now…
July 1st, 2007 at 9:55 amComment by unbelievable — July 1, 2007 @ 9:50 am
Does that also mean that Bush burns the 85,000,000 bbl of oil a day too? When Clinton was president how many bbl of oil were pissed through in a day???
July 1st, 2007 at 9:55 amWhatever happened to the Republican’s push to pass a Balanced Budget Ammendment????
July 1st, 2007 at 9:56 amBush was selected the first time and millions of votes were thrown out the last.
I’m really not too concerned with who is the VP as it is usually a do nothing position except in the extraordinary case of vice-PRESIDENT Dick Cheney and his special secret branch of government.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:57 amYou are an idiot. Clinton is responsible for lowering the uppermost tax bracket from 50% to 35%.
No he isn’t. You are clearly uneducated.
You said something about being a teacher, right? No wonder our kids are left behind.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:58 amTell you what. Let the Goracle convince China and India to sign onto this 90% cut, then I’ll consider it.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 9:54 am
No thanks. Your vote won’t matter anyway. You’re one of the 26%ers who would never vote anything but neocon, and will never be in the majority, regardless of how much it violates your own self-interests.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:00 am#9
Better that than confiscatory Clinton tax rates.
Comment by m12 —
yeah, we’re much better off now with the facist sockpuppet in charge. You’re an idiot. go fight in your war or shut up.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:00 amNo thanks. Your vote won’t matter anyway. You’re one of the 26%ers who would never vote anything but neocon, and will never be in the majority, regardless of how much it violates your own self-interests.
That’s odd. The so called necons got a majority in 2004.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:03 am“You are an idiot. Clinton is responsible for lowering the uppermost tax bracket from 50% to 35%.
No he isn’t. You are clearly uneducated.”
Good comeback m12″ the old “is not!” retort followed by the finger insertion into the ears. There is no comparison between the welfare of the average american now and when President Clinton was taking care of things. You know it, you probably live it, yet you still defend an unAmerican, unpatriotic, AWOL coward of a president.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:04 amI guess thos who sit here and squeal like stuck pigs over tax increases are obviously too ignorant to realize that they are the ones paying for the $630 Billion in tax cuts Bush engineered for the top 1 percent of Americans. Of course they dont realize it and can’t accept it because its one of those little secrets that the fair and balanced people at Faux Noise Network wont tell their faithful sheeple viewers. And we can be doubly assured, given the greater than $20 million that Rush Limbaugh makes for spewing lies, that their most favorite radio personality isn’t going to tell them either. If he did he’d stand to lose some of the tax breaks that trailer trash loyal Bushies are paying for while thinking they are safer with the chimp in office.
By the way, Gore/Edwards 08 has a great ring to it. Two southerners on the ticket is what we will need to take back the White House in 2008. Of course given the list of Repugnicans running for the office, I think we could run an Alfred E Newman/ Daffy Duck ticket in 2008 and we’ still beat the Repugnicans.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:04 amYou might want to look up your history, bob (not the intelligent).
It is Kennedy and Reagan that cut income tax rates to 28%. The Democrats in 1993 hiked this to 40%, and Americans gave them the boot a year later.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:07 amComment by unbelievable
Of note, the 26% approval rating depicts those who aren’t satisfied with the President’s performance in general, not a more serious onus on the Republican party, indicated by Congress’ higher approval rating.
In other words, in no way does it mean that voters aren’t willing to vote another Republican president into office. Many Republican voters feel heavily that the President is hurting the Republican party.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:07 amYou are an idiot. Clinton is responsible for lowering the uppermost tax bracket from 50% to 35%.
Apologize now…
Comment by unbelievable — July 1, 2007 @ 9:55 am
No he isn’t. You are clearly uneducated.
You said something about being a teacher, right? No wonder our kids are left behind.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 9:58 am
LOL, I don’t even like m12 but m12 in this case is not posting the FUD or BS. Gore is clearly about taxation, regulation (look at him and tipper going at it with Frank Zappa), pontification, global government (like Clinton and Bushes), plutocracy and don’t forget that he invented the internet! Probably doesn’t matter though since concerts create a lot of pollution and waste resources while spreading the message that we are causing pollution and wasting resources….bwahahaha
July 1st, 2007 at 10:07 amOh, jebus, I knew that the trolls would be swarming as soon as I saw Gore’s name.
Trolls, just effing admit it already – the Bush/Cheney mis-administration has screwed up everything it has touched, just like all of Bush’s previous attempts at employment. Republiskunks are scared of Gore running this time around, because they KNOW he’d win fair and square, just like before, because we’re on to the Republiskunks’ cheating ways.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:07 am#re 23
I’m looking forward to Gulliani/McCain “Crazy and Crazier” Their Campaign Song can be Alice Cooper’s Classic “Dead Babies”.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:07 amguess thos who sit here and squeal like stuck pigs over tax increases are obviously too ignorant to realize that they are the ones paying for the $630 Billion in tax cuts Bush engineered for the top 1 percent of Americans.
Hardly. The highest burdened taxpayers got needed relief which has fueled economic growth.
In 6.5 years, GDP has grown by $3.5 trillion, equal to the 8 year total of the Clinton years!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:09 amMaybe if we would spend half a trillion dollars on alternative energy research instead of a disasterous war in Iraq, we could sell the technology to China and India. Then they would cut their greenhouse gas emmisions 90% and still provide a decent living standard for their 2 billion plus people. Solar Panels in the Gobi desert anyone??
July 1st, 2007 at 10:09 amIt is called leadership, and Gore leads, while our elected reps stumble about looking for cover. Bush is a moron, Cheney is a throwback to the robber barons, and most of the rest of the administration is incompetent.
Gore wants not to be president, but to be an agent for positive change. He wants the greatest nation on earth to lead that cause, for the betterment of our globe and its inhabitants. Trolls and neocon apologists can make light of that, or try to turn it into some ideological debate, but the truth is evident, and Gore is winning. When Gore wins on this issue, we all win.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:09 amNo he isn’t. You are clearly uneducated.
You never have anything but insults… You think that qualifies you as ‘educated’? LOL
You said something about being a teacher, right? No wonder our kids are left behind.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 9:58 am
I’m against NCLB, and I’ve only been a teacher for 2 years. The responsibility for those being left behind is the Republican control of Congress.
You’re just bitter that you couldn’t graduate from high school. LOL
July 1st, 2007 at 10:09 amComment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Correction: Congress does NOT have a higher approval rating. That was the deans mistake.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:10 amTell you what. Let the Goracle convince China and India to sign onto this 90% cut, then I’ll consider it.
If America followed suit of greener products we could boycott chinese and india goods for not being greener
July 1st, 2007 at 10:10 amAl Gore and the rest of the global warming alarmists should quit saying that the science is settled.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:11 am
Tell me, unbelievable, what exactly do you teach?
I hope its not finance, because you have no clue about the history of tax reform!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:11 amComment by Badger — July 1, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Sounds like a good idea to me.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:11 amWhat makes any of you think we will even get to ‘08??
July 1st, 2007 at 10:12 amMaybe if we would spend half a trillion dollars on alternative energy research instead of a disasterous war in Iraq, we could sell the technology to China and India. Then they would cut their greenhouse gas emmisions 90% and still provide a decent living standard for their 2 billion plus people. Solar Panels in the Gobi desert anyone??
Why would they buy it? Just look at how they are stealing our pharmaceutical patents.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:12 amI would buy a product than has 0 emmisions on the packet even if it cost slightly more
new labelling
product made with Greener technology CO2 rating = 0
July 1st, 2007 at 10:12 amI think it was estimated that 120 Sq Miles of solar panel in a desert would create all the electricity for all of mankind
July 1st, 2007 at 10:14 am“What makes any of you think we will even get to ‘08??”
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 10:12 am
And this from the one who complains about FUD (along with everything else).
July 1st, 2007 at 10:14 amYou wish to cut carbon through taxation. This sends shivers up and down my spine since I intuitively realize your purpose even though you may not. You don’t want to ration fossil fuel since you will have to do with less energy. Carbon taxation’s purpose is to foster something called “demand destruction†by hook or by crook the wealthy will increase the energy pool available to them while burdening everybody else with debt and diminishing expensive energy. Driving hybrids is not the same as conservation or cessation.
So, in the spirit of humanity if you sacrifice the lives of your family and yourself Vinnie, you would reduce emissions (only fractionally) and fractionally reduce resource demand thusly adding a fraction of a nanosecond to humanities TTL. As I stated on the thread you bookmarked you are looking for the best of both worlds Vinnie. You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to continue to use oil and at the same time attempt to limit everyone else’s use of oil and make the determining factor $$$$MONEY$$$$. Not quantity based rationing and conservation leading to cessation but demand destruction via $$$$MONEY$$$$.
Now, go on and blow it out of your exhaust pipe since the GREEN you are about is $$$$$. All one needs to do is follow the money to realize that you are like I said an agent provocateur. You have been defending the oil companies, factories, corporations and the plutocrats the whole time and the sick truth is that you may not even realize it. You are part of a pyramid scheme and that isn’t all that progressive
July 1st, 2007 at 10:15 amIf America followed suit of greener products we could boycott chinese and india goods for not being greener
And? Even if you consider this to be feasible, china and india will simply use their comparative advantage to export their goods elsewhere.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:16 amAnd this from the one who complains about FUD (along with everything else).
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 10:14 am
You can’t answer a simple question Jane? Why not? What makes you think we will even get to ‘08?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:18 am“And? Even if you consider this to be feasible, china and india will simply use their comparative advantage to export their goods elsewhere.”
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:16 am
The U.S. is China’s biggest customer, China’s not going to make up for a lost U.S. market “elsewhere.”
July 1st, 2007 at 10:19 amUhhl Gore would like our commitment, as usual, to be in the form of more taxes.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 9:43 am
Last week on a particularly sunny day, my son complained after a bicycle tour ( he is very agile and not overweight)
“Mommy I can hardly breathe and I have a headache”
What is my answer supposed to be?
“Sorry, dear. But to cut all this ozone in the atmosphere and stop global warming, daddy would have to pay way more taxes. So pull yourself together it wouldn’t be worth it.”?
And, while we’re at it. Where is all the money that Mr Bush squandered supposed to come from to cover the budget deficit the US has run up?
Shall I give my son the message. “Hey and while we’re at it, one of these days you will have to pay up for our debt, so daddy and me can drive posh cars and leave the air conditioning at 22°C.”?
I love my son and I want him to live in a peaceful, healthy environment. And I love him and his brother (my husband, too) more than enough to be prepared to sacrifice some comfort for their benefit.
Why don’t you love your children?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:19 amBefore I take a breather, I want to make clear to all of you that the dean respects your opinion. Most importantly, though, the dean respects your dissent.
Adios.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:19 amM12 “Stealing our pharmaceutical patents” ceratinly hasn’t prevented our pharmaceutical industry from racking up record profits. They even have enough $$ to bribe congress into voting to prevent importing less expensive drugs from Canada.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:19 amAnd if they did steal our alternative energy technology, they would STILL cut their Greenhouse gas emmisions.
Production of anything made in mass production or one at a time requires resources. Mines, water, energy and all of those are in depletion. You can’t make computer processors in small runs or individually since the cost would possibly be in the millions per processor.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:21 am#46
For now. But other countries like Hong Kong, not burdened by taxes and regulation, are growing at rapid rates, and they will soon become trade partners with the rest of the world.
It would be much more economical to give up the US market than to shackle their means of production with overbearing Co2 regulation.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:22 amM12 “Stealing our pharmaceutical patents†ceratinly hasn’t prevented our pharmaceutical industry from racking up record profits. They even have enough $$ to bribe congress into voting to prevent importing less expensive drugs from Canada.
And if they did steal our alternative energy technology, they would STILL cut their Greenhouse gas emmisions.
Yeah, and? When they steal our alternative energy technology, where exactly will we get our $500 billion back?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:23 am“You can’t answer a simple question Jane? Why not? What makes you think we will even get to ‘08?”
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Oh, were you asking ME? You should have said so. I don’t see any point in answering a bullshite “question” from from a boldfaced crackpot.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:23 amAll products should have a greenhouse gas rating on the packet that way we have a choice
the reality is chocolate or cars made from renewable energy should cost less than factories using coal or gas powered electricity
and the things made from expensive nuclear power should not be subsidised by goverment as alledgedly cheaper than produced by other energy sources
July 1st, 2007 at 10:25 amIt is Kennedy and Reagan that cut income tax rates to 28%. The Democrats in 1993 hiked this to 40%, and Americans gave them the boot a year later.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:07 am
The Tax Act of 1997, which came AFTER 1993, by the way, created more loopholes for the upper tax bracket essentially lowering their portion of taxes through hidden means.
Not everything is blatantly obvious. Some times you have to read the fine print.
“On August 5, 1997, President Clinton signed the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 and the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 into law. Heralded by the politicians in Washington as landmark legislation, these two laws are supposed to balance the federal budget by 2002 and cut taxes by about $95 billion over a five-year period. If a balanced budget is achieved, it will be the first time since 1969. The new legislation cuts federal spending by about $260 billion over five years, with $115 billion of that coming from lower Medicare reimbursement to hospitals and doctors.
Individuals will get a variety of new tax breaks. The law provides a tax credit for children under 17, creates college tuition tax credits and education IRAs, and allows penalty-free withdrawals from individual retirement accounts for qualified education expenses and first home purchases. Capital gains taxes are cut, and the rules for taxing home sales are completely revised. Fewer estates will be subject to taxes, and special estate tax breaks are provided for qualifying small businesses and family farms.”
http://www.filetax.com/97taxact.html
July 1st, 2007 at 10:25 amGORE/OBAMA ….. OR GORE/BLOOMBERG….After all, Bloomberg said he wasn’t running for President but he didn’t say anything about running for Vice President, did he?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:27 amMany Republican voters feel heavily that the President is hurting the Republican party.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 10:07 am
You mean from the line up of characters parading through the preliminary Republican Presidential hopeful list? LOL. Good luck…
July 1st, 2007 at 10:27 amDID I MISS SOMETHING SOMEWHERE?? IS THIS THREAD ABOUT TAXES AS OUR INANE TROLL WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE?? IN HIS DREAMS IS HE GOING TO HIJACK THIS DISCUSSION WHICH IS DEFINITELY “NOT” ABOUT TAXES!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:28 amFrankly mam, I believe you’re exploiting the deans message here. When/If the dean has children, your political assertion will have nothing to do whether he loves his children. It was unnecessary going there, mam.
Please consider more practical solutions, it’s not exactly a one-way highway.
That’s why I’m the dean of dissent, to encourage a more viable solution through disagreement.
When the one way solution to your party is raising taxes, I have to ask: do you love and respect the tax-payer?
(In regards to your son, the President may have been mistaken in easing clean-air regulations, but let’s focus on having that problem remedied before moving onto this Global Warming scare. Of course, we wouldn’t want your son to be stuck wearing a mask while biking.)
July 1st, 2007 at 10:29 amSolar Panels in the Gobi desert anyone??
Comment by Badger — July 1, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Brilliant!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:29 am#57 The Republicans are realizing that not only has this President “hurt” the Party, he’s decimated the Party and they’re just beginning to realize it…..albeit …. a little too late, that is! The Republican Party will never again in our lifetime occupy the highest offices in this country…..that’s becoming a certainty.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:29 amLet’s get back to the wisdom of a true statesman like Al Gore and what he’s done for the planet, shall we?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:30 am#55
Please explain how the TRA of 1997 “lowered the uppermost tax bracket from 50% to 35%.”
July 1st, 2007 at 10:31 am#60 Absolutely….solar energy was on the front burner as an alternative energy source back in the 80’s and one of the GOP’s “Holy Trinity” squelched it….any guesses who they might be??
Texas Oil men, you got it!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:31 amWow! This idiot troll is really getting desperate spouting tax numbers and obtuse percentages which mean zippo in lieu of anything positive he can spin about the GOP or Bushitco…now that’s getting very, very desperate!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:32 amI think it was estimated that 120 Sq Miles of solar panel in a desert would create all the electricity for all of mankind
Comment by Tobey Tall — July 1, 2007 @ 10:14 am
It doesn’t take much.
Lats year my students were required to use alternative sources for energy on their projects, because that will be their future. I was amazed at how much I learned form their research…
They’ve also come out with hologram solar panels that cost less, but produce an equal amount of energy as a regular panel of the same size. The technology is definitely there.
It’s just the greedy pigs clinging to every last dime they have who refuse to help make the change. Almost makes me wish there were an afterlife in which they could spend a few centuries in poverty. Almost… :D
July 1st, 2007 at 10:33 amI think M12 is experiencing a “short circuit” today. He’s even more irrelevant and idiotic than his customary level of stupidity.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:33 am“Let’s get back to the wisdom of a true statesman like Al Gore and what he’s done for the planet, shall we?”
Comment by veritas — July 1, 2007 @ 10:30 am
Isn’t it amazing that the two leaders that the Republiskunks hate most, Bill Clinton and Al Gore, have, since leaving office, become two of the most respected people in the entire world?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:34 amOh, were you asking ME? You should have said so. I don’t see any point in answering a bullshite “question†from from a boldfaced crackpot.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 10:23 am
So you can’t answer this question?
What makes any of you think we will even get to ‘08?
The reason you can’t answer that is simple, you have no way of predicting the time and place of our deaths and making it to ’08 is only an assumption!
We do know for a fact that our resources are depleting faster and faster so in your sick thinking rather than debate that you attack me even though the truth remains that resource demand is greater than supply!
Here is a graph and the results are well documented and the reindeer of St. Matthews Island didn’t have fossil fuel.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:36 amhttp://dieoff.org/Crash2.GIF
Wow! This idiot troll is really getting desperate spouting tax numbers and obtuse percentages which mean zippo in lieu of anything positive he can spin about the GOP or Bushitco…now that’s getting very, very desperate!
Are you not a taxpayer? On what grounds do confiscatory rates mean zippo?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:37 amPlease explain how the TRA of 1997 “lowered the uppermost tax bracket from 50% to 35%.â€
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:31 am
I already did. Are you saying you’re too dense to understand what I posted? Especially the part that point-blankly said ‘cut taxes’?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:37 amI already did. Are you saying you’re too dense to understand what I posted? Especially the part that point-blankly said ‘cut taxes’?
The fact that he cut taxes by offering middle class deductions doesn’t lower the marginal tax brackets for the upperclass. Never mind that the top rate hasn’t been 50% since Ronald Reagan came into office.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:39 amYeah, and? When they steal our alternative energy technology, where exactly will we get our $500 billion back?
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:23 am
If destroying Iraq is worth $500 billion, saving the Planet is certainly worth that much too. And I bet we could do a lot for much less than half a triliion bucks.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:41 amComment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:39 am
For the last time, Ronald Reagan is DEAD! Get over it!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:41 amFreedomrings:
You do realise that Monaterism, the philosophy which most conservatives preach when talking about inflation, is basically demand destruction right?
M12:
Okay, so Europe, most of Asia and Australia adopts the same measure (Seen as it is really a very good excuse to protect their fully developed markets) and China is left with all of the poor markets which can’t really afford to buy American anyway.
The real reason America is never going to do or propose it is not a matter of competition, it is a matter of Bush having landed America in a classic debt trap. America owes China money, America annoys China too much, America suddenly has no line of credit and a nuclear super-power which has historically (North Korea) proven to be more then a match for America’s military might saying “pay up.”
July 1st, 2007 at 10:42 amYou mean from the line up of characters parading through the preliminary Republican Presidential hopeful list? LOL. Good luck…
Comment by unbelievable
The dean doesn’t appreciate narrow-mindedness. A one-party country, as you would desire, isn’t the best prospect. The dean believes that your demographic obsession over who’s in the minority/majority is rather brittle and useless. As it’s still early, more solid Republican candidates can join the list. Fred Thompson, a contender with rising stock has been enjoying good prospects despite an attempted TP snuffing. Prospects may not look great now, but don’t make the mistake of getting your hopes too high.
LOL.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:43 amThe fact that he cut taxes by offering middle class deductions doesn’t lower the marginal tax brackets for the upperclass.
They were cuts for the upper class. Hello?
“Almost half the tax cuts provided by the legislation will go to the best-off 5 percent of taxpayers. In contrast, taxpayers in the lowest 40% of the income scale will get nothing. ”
http://www.ctj.org/html/desc97.htm
Never mind that the top rate hasn’t been 50% since Ronald Reagan came into office.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:39 am
There’s more to taxes than the income tax alone, you know… I was speaking of all taxes combined – or don’t you count them? That’s asinine.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:43 amhttp://www.cbpp.org/clinttax.htm
For anybody who wants to read up on Clinton’s tax cut.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:44 am#74
Ronald Reagan is dead, but his legacy of economic progress lives on.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:44 amThe dean doesn’t appreciate narrow-mindedness.
The stop spouting it.
Fred Thompson, a contender with rising stock has been enjoying good prospects despite an attempted TP snuffing.
What’s with you cons and actors? Hmmm?
Fred Thompson is no better. He’s only a hope right now because no one knows much about him. Give it time…
Prospects may not look great now, but don’t make the mistake of getting your hopes too high.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Don’t worry – we’re not you.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:48 am#74
Ronald Reagan is dead, but his legacy of economic progress lives on.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:44 am
You could say that I suppose. Of course this legacy of economic progress is kind of like Hitler’s legacy of racial tolerance – we learned not to do it again.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:48 am“As it’s still early, more solid Republican candidates can join the list. Fred Thompson, a contender with rising stock has been enjoying good prospects despite an attempted TP snuffing. Prospects may not look great now, but don’t make the mistake of getting your hopes too high.
LOL.”
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Yeah, Fred Thompson’s qualifications for Presidency:
July 1st, 2007 at 10:49 am-gruff “Law and Order” actor
-smells like “daddy”
There’s more to taxes than the income tax alone, you know… I was speaking of all taxes combined – or don’t you count them? That’s asinine.
Considering that you used the words “uppermost tax bracket” and the income tax is the only federal tax that has an uppermost bracket (or a rate of 35%), it would be kind of difficult to assume you were speaking of anything else.
“Almost half the tax cuts provided by the legislation will go to the best-off 5 percent of taxpayers. In contrast, taxpayers in the lowest 40% of the income scale will get nothing. â€
And? The top 5% pays half of federal income taxes, and the bottom 40% pays essentially zilch. Tough to get a tax cut when you pay $0 in taxes!
They were cuts for the upper class. Hello?
The capital gains rate might have been. But I don’t know how you define a the child/education/IRA deductions as cuts for the upper class when they were phased out at $150k income or below…
July 1st, 2007 at 10:51 amPersonal Income Taxes are now used to pay down the Federal Reserve interest. PIT were a result of WW1 and were not collected till WW2. From 1776 till 1913 there were no personal income tax laws or personal income taxes. Tax laws were created but not used till 1939 so no personal income taxes were collected by an organization that never existed called the IRS between 1776 and 1939 give or take. More than that the Federal Government charged the Federal Reserve with the task of dealing with our money in the 1900s (can’t remember the exact year) and what can be said is that this is the first “outsourcing†and is unconstitutional.
The 16th Amendment should have been repealed after the war it was intended to fund but instead the plutocrats saw it for the gravy train it was and that remains our situation till this day. Takes are deliberately made to be difficult to understand and come at us from all directions. So rather than one tax we have many and even “sin taxes†but you all want taxes since after all this is communism isn’t it?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:52 amYou could say that I suppose. Of course this legacy of economic progress is kind of like Hitler’s legacy of racial tolerance – we learned not to do it again.
That’s an odd assertion. Reagan was the second line of tax cutters, after the great Democrat John Kennedy.
We’ve done it 3 times, and our economy has risen into prosperity 3 times.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:53 amsmells like “daddyâ€
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 10:49 am
That’s all the cons need… A strict father figure to chase the boogeymen out of their closets… If they would just grow up and educate themselves, we could instead focus on alternative energy, health care and true progress for everyone, not just a small handful of trust fund babies…
July 1st, 2007 at 10:53 amFreedomrings,
Did you know that some of the crafters of the 16th amendment wanted to insert a cap of 10%? The other crafters shot them down, though, because they thought it was ludicrous and unconceivable that any future Congress would enact rates higher than 10%!
Liberals have completely perverted these ideals.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:54 amAnd? The top 5% pays half of federal income taxes, and the bottom 40% pays essentially zilch. Tough to get a tax cut when you pay $0 in taxes!
That’s just desperate… You’ve been proven wrong. Deal with it.
The capital gains rate might have been. But I don’t know how you define a the child/education/IRA deductions as cuts for the upper class when they were phased out at $150k income or below…
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:51 am
It’s not about one line item. Stop cherry picking. Besides, most middle class families don’t qualify. We either give scholarships to indigent families or tax cuts to rich families – and the middle class gets denied.
Are you rich m12?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:55 amYeah, Fred Thompson’s qualifications for Presidency:
-gruff “Law and Order†actor
-smells like “daddyâ€
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Better than smelling like @ss, I guess. The Republics are having a tough time with their candidates. McCain is clearly insane, and both Romney and Guiliani are flip-flopping pseudo conservatives with a track record that can easily be thrown in their faces in a real election. Fred Thompson is a hack actor masquerading as an “outsider” in Washington.
Not that Republics don’t seem to love their hack actors, but still . . .
July 1st, 2007 at 10:55 am79. m12
The “ecconomic progress” of the philosophy of St. Ronnie to which you refer is a horribly flawed ultra-capitalist doctrine of “greed as virtue”.
It’s true legacy is that some people still feel that to grant access to the majority of wealth will better society because those people will “trickle down” funds to others.
Support of this idealogy, regardless of its obvious flaws, by people like you, who by the way, will never have wealth like is commanded by the elite, continues to hamper the developement of this country.
That is why we are behind other Western nations in adopting a humain health care plan; Global Warming; Non Proliferation; Human Rights Issues; prison reform.
The list goes on.
The greed and ignorance of you and your supporters aids the founders of these idiotic policies in their quest for more and more wealth.
and you just can’t see it. Or you don’t care, because in the back of your little minds, you think one day you will be one of them.
It is selfish and sad because, they don’t want you in their club.
You are a servant to your own enslavement.
July 1st, 2007 at 10:57 amWe’ve done it 3 times, and our economy has risen into prosperity 3 times.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Prove it – because I, nor other sane people, don’t consider huge deficits to be prosperity…
July 1st, 2007 at 10:57 amIt is selfish and sad because, they don’t want you in their club.
You are a servant to your own enslavement.
Comment by willyloman — July 1, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Well said!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:58 am#88
You haven’t proven me wrong…you simply made an assertion that was wrong on 3 different counts and got called out on it.
On what grounds do you say the middle class did not qualify for the home, child, education, and IRA deductions that were specifically targeted towards them!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:59 amAlright m12, you’ve been shown that Bill Clinton cut taxes for the wealthy. STFU already. It just makes you look like a poor loser…
July 1st, 2007 at 11:00 amthe income tax is the only federal tax that has an uppermost bracket
July 1st, 2007 at 11:01 amComment by m12
What about social security payroll taxes. Above $90,000 the uppermost bracket pays NO TAX.
And a BIG part of the tax burden is Property Taxes. And the less well off in this country who pay rent pay ALL of the property taxes on their housing. The landlord just serves as the middleman.
The stop spouting it.
The dean does not spout narrow-minded drivel.
What’s with you cons and actors? Hmmm?
Forget to mention that he was a two-term United States Senator. Quite a bit of his life has, indeed, been politics. Technically, he’s more qualified than Barack Obama. And the last time I checked, your fellow rubes were calling for Oprah to run for President, a serious call at that.
Fred Thompson is no better. He’s only a hope right now because no one knows much about him. Give it time…
Nope, people know his views. He’s a serious contender. You should give it time before it’s official.
Don’t worry – we’re not you.
Primaries don’t start until January, dolt. I’m not exactly the impatient one here. Republicans have plenty of time, despite whatever, to put together a cunning plan to wipe the floor with Demos. They’ve done it before, it wouldn’t be the first time around.
The dean believes that all of your discourse is ‘unbelievable.’
July 1st, 2007 at 11:02 amm12
Yeah, his policy was so sound that in 1982 a recession occured because of it. Unemployment was near 10% in 1982 and 1983, and during what was a relatively quiet period in world history his deficits doubled those of the guys Republicans reviled, Jimmy Carter.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:03 amAlright m12, you’ve been shown that Bill Clinton cut taxes for the wealthy. STFU already. It just makes you look like a poor loser…
Revisionist history at its finest! Good luck ignoring Clinton’s income tax hike, his medicare cap repeal, and social security cap increase of 1993.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:04 amYou haven’t proven me wrong…you simply made an assertion that was wrong on 3 different counts and got called out on it.
Stop lying on top of being wrong. It just makes you look pathetic.
On what grounds do you say the middle class did not qualify for the home, child, education, and IRA deductions that were specifically targeted towards them!
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:59 am
The facts in one of my links that showed how it actually worked out… We know, you are afraid of facts and avoid them at all costs, so maybe you’d do better to keep your silly fairytale assertions to yourself. I have never seen you win an argument around here, only get spanked repeatedly by the facts. Perhaps you are a masochist and like it, but it doesn’t make your side look very bright or mature.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:05 amForget to mention that he was a two-term United States Senator.
with one of the worse attendance records of any Senator.
Nope, people know his views. He’s a serious contender. You should give it time before it’s official.
His views are posted every day at AEI’s website. What ever they decide; Thompson spouts.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:06 amGore > unless warfare is stopped worldwide, then we will probably all be dead before global warming stuff kicks in to snuff us all out.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:06 amYeah, Fred Thompson’s qualifications for Presidency:
-gruff “Law and Order†actor
-smells like “daddyâ€
Comment by Jane E. Schneide
No, try United States Senator, two terms if I’m not mistaken. Go ahead, hold someone to a higher standard, omit information when it suits you.
He no worse than Barack Obama, that’s for sure.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:07 amThis is a pretty hilarious comment thread. Trolls really get worked up about Gore.
Especially love someone so lame that he talks about himself in the third person. In that spirit, the Slim thinks the Dean is a complete tool.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:07 amComment by willyloman
Barack hasn’t been hangin’ around for so many votes, has he? In addition, I’m assuming that you supported Harold Ford’s candidacy for Senator, TN, despite him having one of the worst attendance records, if not the worst, in the House?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:09 amYeah, his policy was so sound that in 1982 a recession occured because of it. Unemployment was near 10% in 1982 and 1983, and during what was a relatively quiet period in world history his deficits doubled those of the guys Republicans reviled, Jimmy Carter.
You can thank Jimmy Carter’s double digit inflation for that. By the time Reagan left office, GDP had grown 80% in his term, unemployment was down to 5.5%, and inflation was down from Carter’s absurd 13.5% to 4.1%.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:10 am#102,
No, Fred Thompson is undeniably worse than Obama. Obama isn’t wasting his time sending foolish videos to Michael Moore.
Gore and Moore are just a couple of guys, but it’s funny to see how much attention they’re receiving! Holla!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:10 amThe dean does not spout narrow-minded drivel.
Like a hose you do!
Forget to mention that he was a two-term United States Senator.
So? He’s still an actor. My guess is that you need good liars, because you have to pretend to actually care about people to get their votes…
And the last time I checked, your fellow rubes were calling for Oprah to run for President, a serious call at that.
Look, we have our 26%ers too. Just like you, they don’t represent the majority of us…
Nope, people know his views. He’s a serious contender. You should give it time before it’s official.
Nope. He’s as worthless as the others. I know you’re only comparing him to the rest of your ‘candidates’, but start comparing him to our candidates and he’s done.
Primaries don’t start until January, dolt. I’m not exactly the impatient one here. Republicans have plenty of time, despite whatever, to put together a cunning plan to wipe the floor with Demos. They’ve done it before, it wouldn’t be the first time around.
Ah name calling, you cons just can’t have an argument without that…
You could have until 2010 and you still wouldn’t have anyone worthy, because there isn’t anyone…
The dean believes that all of your discourse is ‘unbelievable.’
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 11:02 am
The Dean talks about himself in the third person… Like his opinion matters… LOL
July 1st, 2007 at 11:11 amThe facts in one of my links that showed how it actually worked out… We know, you are afraid of facts and avoid them at all costs, so maybe you’d do better to keep your silly fairytale assertions to yourself. I have never seen you win an argument around here, only get spanked repeatedly by the facts. Perhaps you are a masochist and like it, but it doesn’t make your side look very bright or mature.
Your link doesn’t even support your own assertions. Forget winning an argument, you don’t even have one.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:12 amComment by Slim Tyranny
When you fall for Al Gores hype every step of the way, even feeding you the higher-tax mumbo-jumbo, I don’t think I have the “tool” problem.
You’re no more useful than a bookmark. And who cares what POV you believe I’m speaking in? Do you really matter?
Didn’t think so.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:12 amRevisionist history at its finest!
You’re saying that the facts lie? Wow, you have real issues.
Good luck ignoring Clinton’s income tax hike, his medicare cap repeal, and social security cap increase of 1993.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 11:04 am
In what alternate universe does 1997 NOT come after 1993?
Try some lithium…
July 1st, 2007 at 11:13 amArguing with trolls is like trying to convince certain people that Pro-Wrestling is real.
Some people just have to believe in the system, no matter what it is or how the facts stack up against them.
“Have you eyes?
Have you eyes?
Look you here upon these precimants of two brothers.”
Hamlet
Sometimes what seems obvious to some,
July 1st, 2007 at 11:13 ameludes others with disarming stubborness.
Sorry I fed the troll. But I was so fed up with the old “he’s raising taxes” whining, that I couldn’t resist.
It isnot about raising taxes. It’s about the world we live in. On one hand German politicians are very much for reducing carbon emissions. On the other hand they stadfastly refuse to impose a speed limit on German motorways. In the greater part of motorways you can go 200 m/hr if you car allows and spew all the carbon you want into the atmosphere while you’re at it. A speed limit at 80m/hr would greatly reduce carbon emissions. But will they do it, nooo. Courtesy of the car manufacturers.
How about just regulating air conditioning one degree higher in summer and one degree lower in winter – world wide. How many tons would that save?
And to the ones, who keep saying let India and China comply first. If you point your index finger on the other person three fingers point back at you!
Use your ingenuity for saving our planet. Start changing – Start now
July 1st, 2007 at 11:14 amLike I said, a complete tool.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:14 am#110
In what alternate universe did the 1997 act repeal the 3 increases he put forth in 1993?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:16 amComment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 11:07 am
(Could you at least try to keep the ‘r’ on the end of Schneider? Thanks!)
Okay: -two terms in the Senate (how long ago?); gruff actor on “Law and Order”; smells like “daddy”. Sorry, still not good enough in my book. (And before you start with Obama, I’m not enamored of him, either.)
July 1st, 2007 at 11:17 amYou notice that trolls run from the connection between…
Fred Thompson and American Enterprize Institute…
because they know, that probably electing another one of these creeps isn’t anyones idea of smart.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:17 amEnterprise…I know, I know.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:19 amYour link doesn’t even support your own assertions.
Of course it does. I copied information from the links and pasted them in parts of my argument. It’s why they are cogent.
Forget winning an argument, you don’t even have one.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Then why are you still arguing with me? Hmmm? If I have no argument, then why are you so desperate to prove me wrong? Which you’re not doing, by the way.
Here’s a hint… Read about a subject BEFORE forming an opinion. That way, your opinion will not only be supported by facts, but won’t make you look like such an uneducated loser who pretends he might actually some day be in the rich boy’s club, while ignoring the fact that they don’t want him there. Like they want you to take their money… LOL
July 1st, 2007 at 11:21 amm12
Reagan’s economic policy changed in 1984, away from Reagenomics towards a more moderate path. He in fact, figured out that he was wrong, and changed policies.
In 1986 the chief thing which saved America’s economy was a sharp fall in fuel prices. While taxes, are not the huge expense the rightwing makes out (You have to be making a profit to pay them) fuel impacts every portion of the economy – the price goes down, economic strength improves.
Note what really hurt Carter: Ford’s fuel crisis. What really helped Reagan? The fuel crisis ending.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:23 am#102
And no worse than John Edwards. I have to laugh at the liberals jumping on the cosponsor of the IWR.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:23 amComment by ‘unbelievable’
“Like a hose you do!”
And like a hostile lunatic you do!
So? He’s still an actor. My guess is that you need good liars, because you have to pretend to actually care about people to get their votes…
He has a U.S political record. And no, he left Law and Order. If Al Gore can make his movies and still be called to run for president, so can anyone. You’re being picky for partisan-hacking purposes.
Look, we have our 26%ers too. Just like you, they don’t represent the majority of us…
You’re not a “majority.” I’m sorry that a colorful report has you
hyped.
Nope. He’s as worthless as the others. I know you’re only comparing him to the rest of your ‘candidates’, but start comparing him to our candidates and he’s done.
You mean, narcissist Hillary and glory-speakin’ Obama? What makes your candidates the most qualified, by the way? Explain up. Something special? Good luck with your future spin jobs, because your current ones are lacking.
Ah name calling, you cons just can’t have an argument without that…
Must I copy and paste almost everyone one of your posts here at TP. I’m sure I must have a better record a civil discourse than you at any rate. Really, why make it easy on everyone else? You’re accusing the wrong people, dolt.
You could have until 2010 and you still wouldn’t have anyone worthy, because there isn’t anyone…
I’m guessing that’s what you said in 1980, 1994, 2001, 2002, 2004.
The Dean talks about himself in the third person… Like his opinion matters… LOL
“LOL” And you take yourself seriously? Think the quality of my opinions hinges on your radical belief. You’re a terrorist-appeaser. I don’t want your slime on the dean, quit speaking. Hag.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:27 amYou do realise(SIC) that Monaterism(SIC), the philosophy which most conservatives preach when talking about inflation, is basically demand destruction right?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — July 1, 2007 @ 10:42 am
You want to make a big point about something? Want to show everyone how clever you are? Use fancy words to try to prove you are all that and then some. Here I will show you how it is done. First you should know how to spell the word you are about to use in your pontification and it is a good idea to make sure that you correctly spell your central word!
Here you used the spelling MONATERISM and that happens to be a non-word since it is not in a dictionary or in a commonly found tool on a computer called a spell checker.
My best guess is that you mean MONETARISM? Or did you mean “Al Gore�
MONETARISM is defined as:
(NOUN) an economic theory holding that variations in unemployment and the rate of inflation are usually caused by changes in the supply of money…
So if you mean MONETARISM you will see that it is a noun and nouns are “thingsâ€. Demand destruction is a pair of words. The word demand in this case refers to goods, services and/or resources that an individual or group desires. Demand is one of the basic concepts of “economics.†Destruction in this case is the elimination of demand by raising prices beyond one’s ability to pay or by literally destroying customers with bombs, guns, etc.
Now if money were based on the gold standard you could have a point. Oil is energy and energy gets things done. Our money is not tied to gold but is now linked to a depleting resource called oil. Even if I never find more gold I can never deplete the gold unless I shoot it into space for some reason. Oil is burned to “do work†and then it is gone. Now you stated that MONETARISM is a “philosophy†and that is not true since it is in fact considered a “theory†of economics. Preachers and conservatives have nothing to do with economic theories.
Please explain yourself and do include examples so we can have open discourse about your claim. Also you may want to look at my other post about income taxes posted on this thread? Thank you!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:28 amI do not know how emissions can be cut by 90%, unless cars are taken off the roads, so will the US government build mass transit systems or we just ride bicycles?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:28 amNo, try United States Senator, two terms if I’m not mistaken.
Technically, you might be. It wan;t two full terms. he ran for and won the vacant seat left by Al Gore when he became Vice president.
http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=t000457
Where are they now? Hollywood!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:29 amRunning a lobbiest, AEI Fellow, actor for the highest office in the nation, is an insult to this country.
Speaking about it as if it has merit is an insult to this thread.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:29 amIn what alternate universe did the 1997 act repeal the 3 increases he put forth in 1993?
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 11:16 am
Wow, you really are delusional. He raised income taxes by 1% in 1993 on the upper bracket (recall he had a Republican Congress), but then wound up cutting them by 5% in 1997. You don’t see that that is an over all income tax cut to the wealthiest by 3% – not to mention the deeper cuts as the result of the added loopholes?
Don’t get why you hate Clinton so much. He gave your gods a tax CUT…
July 1st, 2007 at 11:30 amComment by Barbarian
No, Fred Thompson is undeniably worse than Obama. Obama isn’t wasting his time sending foolish videos to Michael Moore.
From your lips.
Gore and Moore are just a couple of guys, but it’s funny to see how much attention they’re receiving! Holla!
No, they’re a couple of money-grubbing bastards.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:30 amReagan’s economic policy changed in 1984, away from Reagenomics towards a more moderate path. He in fact, figured out that he was wrong, and changed policies.
He didn’t change policies at all. In 1986, Reagan passed the second of his critical tax reform acts, cutting top rates to 28%.
In 1986 the chief thing which saved America’s economy was a sharp fall in fuel prices. While taxes, are not the huge expense the rightwing makes out (You have to be making a profit to pay them) fuel impacts every portion of the economy – the price goes down, economic strength improves.
Note what really hurt Carter: Ford’s fuel crisis. What really helped Reagan? The fuel crisis ending.
Carter might have inherited a fuel crisis, but he made it worse, as the price of oil jumped from $14 to $35, its alltime high.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:31 amDean of Dissent, TP.org
What, you mean a report like sweeping both houses in 2006, and not losing a single seat? That sort of colourful report?
Your day is done. People judge based on results, and your results suck. Two wars, two major disasters, and the third worst inflation adjusted deficit in American history, which unlike 1943 and 1945 (The two years which beat it) does not include the war.
You had 6 years of your party with ultimate power: Net result? Where towers stood marking the NY skyline, well the skyline has changed. Where there was once a world renowned city famed its music, there is a now a half wrecked city famed for the poor response of the federal government of America to natural disasters.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:32 amwow. Freedomrings has a dictionary.
He must be bright.
I will follow him. We here have been waiting for someone to lead us. Please, freedomrings, copy and paste some more of your manifesto for us all to be dazzled by.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:32 amI don’t want your slime on the dean, quit speaking. Hag.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 11:27 am
You didn’t offer anything even remotely coherent or pertinent in that inane babble of a rant, so I’ll just skip it…
July 1st, 2007 at 11:33 amCarter might have inherited a fuel crisis, but he made it worse, as the price of oil jumped from $14 to $35, its alltime high.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007
and how much has the cost of a barrel gone up since Jan. 20th 2001?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:35 amPeople judge based on results, and your results suck.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — July 1, 2007 @ 11:32 am
LOL
Essentially that is the bottomline, and why the rabid extreme right is denying history or trying to rewrite it… It’s all they have left to which they can cling – lies.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:36 amSolar Panels in the Gobi desert anyone??
Comment by Badger — July 1, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Brilliant!
Comment by unbelievable
Wind power on farms, plains, tornado alley. The factorys are already building these windmills and supposedly use only moderate resources.
http://www.eshow2000.com/awea/
July 1st, 2007 at 11:36 amYou didn’t offer anything even remotely coherent or pertinent in that inane babble of a rant, so I’ll just skip it…
Comment by unbelievable
No you simply have nothing to offer in response. You’re a dolt, as I’ve mentioned. Put up or shut up.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:37 am“If Al Gore can make his movies and still be called to run for president, so can anyone. You’re being picky for partisan-hacking purposes.” Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Al Gore made a documentary. Fred Thompson was in “Die Hard 2.” At least Gore didn’t try to “act.”
July 1st, 2007 at 11:37 amI do not know how emissions can be cut by 90%, unless cars are taken off the roads.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:38 amComment by Jay Randal —
One possible solution would be the Plug in hybrid vehicle. 90% from electricity produced by alternative energy power plants. Solar, wind, sequestered carbon fossil fuel technology ,Geothermal, etc.
10% from carbon fuels for those times when the vehicle is too far from an electric outlet.
If you had a plug in hybrid car, and your daily commute was less than 40 miles…you would use NO Gasoline. And that’s with Today’s technology.
It’s all they have left to which they can cling – lies.
Comment by unbelievable
it’s what they started with and what they end with.
no wonder they love circular logic.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:38 amFred Thompson isn’t an actor. In every movie he walks around pretending to be “stately”.
That is not acting. It’s showing up and reading some lines. And collecting a check.
Kind of what he does for AEI.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:41 amBadger > most electricity at present is produced by burning coal or fuel oil, so still unsure how 90% emissions would be cut.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:41 amWind power on farms, plains, tornado alley. The factorys are already building these windmills and supposedly use only moderate resources.
http://www.eshow2000.com/awea/
Comment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 11:36 am
When I lived in California, there were wind farms in uninhabitable areas of the valley and desert that National Geographic later wrote about. I have no doubt that we have alternative green and sustainable resources, but the greedy corporations will continue to resist change. And hopefully, like the dod bird, they will become extinct if they do not evolve… :D
July 1st, 2007 at 11:41 amDid you know that some of the crafters of the 16th amendment wanted to insert a cap of 10%? The other crafters shot them down, though, because they thought it was ludicrous and unconceivable that any future Congress would enact rates higher than 10%!
Liberals have completely perverted these ideals.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 10:54 am
I can’t believe that I agree with you m12 but the truth is the truth. Once we get to the Amendments created starting with the Railroad Lawyer Lincoln the whole train starts to come off the tracks. The best I have been able to tell is that the government is made of corporate lawyers and their creators. We are governed by a Plutocracy. So, I’m not going to pick on liberals or progressives and just go to the root of it all. All lawyers must die and be killed then ripped limb from limb then shot into space. LOL Yes, taxation without representation in a system where you have to prove that you don’t owe them while they can insist you do. I guess all things said that a demand destruction carbon tax will be Gore’s, goring wound and neither I nor any of the other Constitutionalists I know would pay such a tax. FTIRS & FTFR
July 1st, 2007 at 11:41 amAl, we need you. For Gods sake, please run for President. You are the only person out there with the integrity we need in our next President. I vote you run for President and have Dennis Kucinich as your running mate. And then make Kucinich a working VP. Then maybe we can go back to a peace loving nation rather than the bully of the world.
I have ordered Al’s new book and can’t wait to read it. I have been hearing Randi Rhodes talk about Gore and the book this week and I totally respect Gore and what he has to say about the state of our nation.
To all you Trolls – I dare you to read Gore’s new book. Then come back here and tell us what you think.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:42 amPut up or shut up.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 11:37 am
That philosophy is why you are still a virgin. LOL
July 1st, 2007 at 11:42 amComment by Bruce Gorton
What, you mean a report like sweeping both houses in 2006, and not losing a single seat? That sort of colourful report?
It wasn’t 1994, even given all of the discontent. HAHAHAH!
There are tensions with the Iraq war, their wins are temporary based on that.
Your day is done. People judge based on results, and your results suck. Two wars, two major disasters, and the third worst inflation adjusted deficit in American history, which unlike 1943 and 1945 (The two years which beat it) does not include the war.
That’s the President, pal, not the Republican party. You’re dreaming.
You had 6 years of your party with ultimate power: Net result? Where towers stood marking the NY skyline, well the skyline has changed.
The attacks would have occurred even if Clinton had been in office on 9/11. The planning was going on, even when he was in office. Don’t parse the facts. The terrorists certainly didn’t forecast GB winning the Presidency. They couldn’t have planned their attacks around that.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:44 amWow, you really are delusional. He raised income taxes by 1% in 1993 on the upper bracket (recall he had a Republican Congress), but then wound up cutting them by 5% in 1997. You don’t see that that is an over all income tax cut to the wealthiest by 3% – not to mention the deeper cuts as the result of the added loopholes?
More lies to discredit.
1. Democrats controlled both houses of Congress in 1993.
http://www.answers.com/topic/103rd-united-states-congress
2. He raised the top tax bracket by 8.6%, and never lowered it.
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
3. He passed a bunch of middle class tax deductions which exempted the rich in 1997. By your own link, the overall size of the tax cuts was $95b over 5 years. Too bad it is dwarfed by the $268b over 4 year hike he implemented in 1993.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/697.html
Good day to you, sir!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:44 amTo all you Trolls – I dare you to read Gore’s new book. Then come back here and tell us what you think.
Comment by Katie
give ‘em time. they are working on Ann Coulters right now.
It’ll take ‘em awhile (no pictures)
July 1st, 2007 at 11:45 amKatie > Gore/Kucinich would be a nice ticket for the Democrats. GOPers would attack them viciously. I have lost respect for Obama and Hillary.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:45 am“Dean of Dissent, TP.org”
Boy, you sure do have an exaggerated sense of self. So, who is missing here to have morphed into this new moniker? I know, Patrick!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:46 amand how much has the cost of a barrel gone up since Jan. 20th 2001?
Oil is cheaper today than under Carter.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:46 amit’s what they started with and what they end with.
no wonder they love circular logic.
Comment by willyloman — July 1, 2007 @ 11:38 am
So true…
The cons realized that the had to lie to get elected because the majority of Americans are liberal. I credit Howard Dean with a lot of the reform he’s brought to the DNC, simply by telling Americans what the Democratics Party stands for – which is what the average American stands for.
We just need to start pushing the corporate interests and financing out of the system. But we need Democrat, and Independent (Lieberman is NOT an Independent) control to begin to make that change.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:46 am“All lawyers must die and be killed then ripped limb from limb then shot into space. LOL ”
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Pretty sick sense of humor there. And you wonder why most people here ignore your extremist rants.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:46 amIt is selfish and sad because, they don’t want you in their club.
You are a servant to your own enslavement.
Comment by willyloman
Wasn’t Clinton’s budget surplus proof that trickle down economics is a hoax? No doubt why Bushco had to hurry up and get a huge budget deficit and indebted forever to China before people paid attention to the success of “trickle up” economics.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:47 amOne possible solution would be the Plug in hybrid vehicle. 90% from electricity produced by alternative energy power plants. Solar, wind, sequestered carbon fossil fuel technology ,Geothermal, etc.
10% from carbon fuels for those times when the vehicle is too far from an electric outlet.
If you had a plug in hybrid car, and your daily commute was less than 40 miles…you would use NO Gasoline. And that’s with Today’s technology.
Comment by Badger — July 1, 2007 @ 11:38 am
July 1st, 2007 at 11:48 amHow do you mass produce cars, operate mines and make all of the machines that make all of these machines and devices with no pollution and without oil? How do all of the nearly 7BILLION people eat with insufficient water, energy, fertilizer and topsoil? What are your thoughts?
The attacks would have occurred even if Clinton had been in office on 9/11. The planning was going on, even when he was in office. Don’t parse the facts. The terrorists certainly didn’t forecast GB winning the Presidency. They couldn’t have planned their attacks around that.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Clinton had a habit of calling in his cabinet and discussing such things as the PDB the Chimp received and ignored in August, 2001. The attacks may not have been completely prevented, but I think they would have been prevented by at least half.
Bush did NOTHING.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:48 amJay> actually a lot of electricity is produced from natural gas too. But to your point, I’m not talking about the Present situation. With real leadership on this issue, we could transform our electricity grid to run on non greenhouse emmiting technolgies. See my post at the beginning of this thread about geothermal energy research.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:49 amBoy, you sure do have an exaggerated sense of self. So, who is missing here to have morphed into this new moniker? I know, Patrick!
Comment by Katie
Sorry Katie, but Patrick is stupid. That’s Mr President.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:49 amOil is cheaper today than under Carter.
Comment by m12
First of all, that wasn’t the question. You note how much oil went up DURING Carter’s administration. And I asked you how much it has gone up during Bush’s tenure.
Are you saying that a barrel of oil was more expensive under Carters administration, than it is now?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:49 amKatie, I don’t consider myself a troll, but I want to read Al Gore’s book, too. I ordered it and got the message from my bookstore “sold out – reprint planned” I like the message, lots of people read the book, so I am patient and wait. (as long as the new Harry Potter is on time, no problem ;-)
July 1st, 2007 at 11:49 am“Originally, I operated under the assumption that progressives would be the “get it done people†or the “make it happen people†but three or four weeks have opened my eyes to the truth that progressives suck.”
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 9:41 am
You are so fu*king full of it that it’s not funny. So, you had some grand idea (a general strike) and you went out to the world trying to promote it and decided that you’d include the progressive community by posting on this site.
Get real. My real activism is done through real environmental organizations like the Sierra Club. (Go ahead. Bash them just like a good right-wing troll would.) I come here for some fun and to debate people like you. You are really making it sound like this site is your connection to reality.
So I’m glad you admit above that you are NOT a part of the progressive community. In my opinion, you made a pretense that you were and I felt the desire to call you out on that.
BTW, I NEVER advocated a carbon tax. I only noted that this was YOUR hot button. Indeed, many trolls here are complaining about taxes when the referenced article doesn’t even contain the word tax.
The bottom line is that we are concerned about the planet. You are concerned about your pocketbook. It shames you that this debate is making this fact clearer and clearer to the American public which, by a large majority, actually wants MORE action to combat global warming.
As I’ve note
July 1st, 2007 at 11:51 amThe dean believes that all of your discourse is ‘unbelievable.’
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 11:02 am
TP doesn have a Dean, move along people, nothing to see here. Oh and no CompTROLLER either.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:51 amWe just need to start pushing the corporate interests and financing out of the system. But we need Democrat, and Independent (Lieberman is NOT an Independent) control to begin to make that change.
Comment by unbelievable
very true
July 1st, 2007 at 11:52 amI can’t believe that I agree with you m12 …
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 11:41 am
You’re both right-wing trolls. It makes perfect sense to me.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:52 am#158
Adjusted for inflation, the price of oil has to rise to $90 to equal the Carter years. It’s bounced between $60-70 over the last couple years.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:52 amKatie, I don’t consider myself a troll, but I want to read Al Gore’s book, too. I ordered it and got the message from my bookstore “sold out – reprint planned†I like the message, lots of people read the book, so I am patient and wait. (as long as the new Harry Potter is on time, no problem ;-)
Comment by doro
I bought Al Gore’s book yesterday, and I’ll start it today. I need to be finished with it by the time the last Harry Potter book comes out!! :)
July 1st, 2007 at 11:53 amThat philosophy is why you are still a virgin. LOL
Comment by unbelievable
I’m sorry, is that the best projection you’ve got? You did mention that you were 40, did you not? Allow me to report: I don’t care to hear sexual, unrelated drivel from a person who’s double my age.
You must be quite behind. Most people my age have surged past that childish talk. You must ask that one to your students… Is that how you grade their papers?
No wonder influence is tanked these days, it’s because of people just like you.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:54 amRun Al Run! The country needs you.
Hillary cannot win, has been wrong on most issues, and cannot bring this country together.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:54 amPretty sick sense of humor there. And you wonder why most people here ignore your extremist rants.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 11:46 am
William Shakespeare wrote, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers!†I’m sure if he were alive he would rewrite it to say, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers and idiots named Jane E. Schneider” since there is no doubt in my mind he would consider you a vacuous waste of space! Please by all means STFUp
July 1st, 2007 at 11:56 amComment by shane
Should I be taking points from a trashy bartender? You should have let me in on that sooner, I could have had even more of a laugh at your drivel.
Your experience has showed you the way, I take it.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:57 amHi Zooey,
enjoy!
D.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:57 am#164
Adding to this, the price of oil was about $35 in late 2000, or $42 today.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:57 amComment by freedomrings .
We would have to TRANSTION our way into a Green technology based world economy. It wouldn’t happen overnite, but the current system wasn’t built overnite either. Leadership not beholding to the oil companies would be a good first step.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:58 amTrue, much of the problem is due to our 6 billion plus population. How do we fix this??? Teach girls to read.
This is all possible, or we are all screwed.
Boy, you sure do have an exaggerated sense of self. So, who is missing here to have morphed into this new moniker? I know, Patrick!
Comment by Katie
Nothing stated by this ‘Katie’ wacko, the dean will feel free to move along.
You, mam, are an Islamo-Stalinist.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:59 amForget to mention that he was a two-term United States Senator. Quite a bit of his life has, indeed, been politics. Technically, he’s more qualified than Barack Obama. And the last time I checked, your fellow rubes were calling for Oprah to run for President, a serious call at that.
Nope, people know his views. He’s a serious contender. You should give it time before it’s official.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
MOPE, he is a one term Senator. Unless you count the last two years of Al Gore’s term when he became VP. Then he is a 1 1/3 term senator.
And no, you don’t know his views, that’s why you hicks didn’t even notice when he snuck into a “prop” pickup truck to seem like one of the guys. And do business with an actor and you’ll learn you can’t believe anything they tell you, they’re ACTORS, look up what the word means.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:59 amComment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 11:56 am
I rest my case.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:59 am166. Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
What kind of logic is that? it’s like, not even circular…it’s…a double helix or something winding around itself, and never really making it back to home base.
Even humor, has to have a form of logic…otherwise…it’s just…
well, the word is drivel I guess.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:59 amComment by Vinnie — July 1, 2007 @ 11:51 am
YOU WILL NEED TO SPEAK UP VANEY SINCE YOUR MOM’S BASEMENT IS DEEP AND THE WALLS ARE THICK!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:00 pmComment by Zooey
Actually, I’m CT.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:00 pmWilliam Shakespeare wrote, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers!†I’m sure if he were alive he would rewrite it to say, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers and idiots named Jane E. Schneider†since there is no doubt in my mind he would consider you a vacuous waste of space! Please by all means STFUp
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 11:56 am
You should be banned for making a threat like that you f*cking moron.
Nail yourself on the cross somewhere else, crybaby.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pmI’m sorry, is that the best projection you’ve got?
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 11:54 am
I see you didn’t deny it… LOL
The truth is just soooooo obvious.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pmAdding to this, the price of oil was about $35 in late 2000, or $42 today.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007
Just wanted to post this so everyone could see it again. You are saying the price of a barrel of oil is $42?
nice.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pmNo, try United States Senator, two terms if I’m not mistaken. Go ahead, hold someone to a higher standard, omit information when it suits you.
He no worse than Barack Obama, that’s for sure.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Sure, Obama worked in the community helping the poor. And Thompson was a big time lobbyist. I suppose that’s the same to you trolls.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:02 pmNo, they’re a couple of money-grubbing bastards.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
And Thompson wasn’t a high paid lobbyist for the money? He lobbies on “principle” is that what you’re telling us?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:04 pm“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers and idiots named Jane E. Schneider†…
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 11:56 am
You’ll have to go through me, first.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:05 pmfirst of all, William Shakespeare didn’t say it…he wrote it in Henry IV as a comment from a character named “Dick the Butcher” who was a revolutionary zeolot and a comic relief foil in a tragic play.
but I guess it is apt for you to use, freedomrings. So you go right ahead.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:07 pmAdding to this, the price of oil was about $35 in late 2000, or $42 today.
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 11:57 am
That was when Bill Clinton ended his Presidency. You just supported Clinton’s Presidency! LOL
Or are you asking us to believe that George “Couldn’t find oil in Texas and went bankrupt 3 times as a result” Bush lowered oil prices BEFORE being inaugerated in January 2001? LOL
July 1st, 2007 at 12:07 pmM12
Back to Reagan, do you mean the Tax Reform Act of 1986 which sought to broadenthe tax base by raising taxes on the bottom bracket? That tax cut?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:08 pmActually, I’m CT.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Imagine that….
July 1st, 2007 at 12:08 pmI SIGNED THE PLEDGE.
Yes, we need to take action!
…and for the trolls posting that I got a gliimpse of while preparing to write this comment,
The highlight of the Clinton Administration with the reinvention of Government, getting rid of waste and reversing the deficit, gaining a surplus was Al Gore’s achievment that Bill Clinton entrusted him with.
So find some other lying right wing talking points that “tax”, or gay marriage or abortion.
After all, history is on our side and you can’t change that. We have Reagan, Bush and (little)Bush’es records. And peaking with the most spending increases of little Bush and growing the government more than any other presidency, you lies are laughable.
Time for a COOL change
July 1st, 2007 at 12:08 pmAl Gore
2008
We would have to TRANSTION our way into a Green technology based world economy. It wouldn’t happen overnite, but the current system wasn’t built overnite either. Leadership not beholding to the oil companies would be a good first step.
True, much of the problem is due to our 6 billion plus population. How do we fix this??? Teach girls to read.
This is all possible, or we are all screwed.
Comment by Badger — July 1, 2007 @ 11:58 am
Contrary to the eternal optimist Vinnie and others like him there is no way to escape the fate of the dwellers of Easter Island or the reindeer of St. Matthews Island unless everyone picks up a gun or stick and starts killing everyone they see. Billions will need to go. The hybrid drivers are over confident and their cars and piles of money will not stop the beating the poor will give them. Odds are people like Vinnie will be found in cold soup and sliced into sandwiches by the hordes of starving poor people. Survival of the fittest is cool but survival of the most well armed largest group of group thinkers is better. “So, Join the ARMY!â€
July 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmYou know freedomrings, I think you have succeeded and what you, m12, and the other trolls have been trying to do – make these message boards full of ridiculous ideas and devoid of serious intellectual discussion. We’ve tried to debate the merits of things and you end up telling Jane and myself to kill each other. Let’s just ask who’s the mature one here.
I think I’ll just stick to reading the news pieces now. At least you can’t touch what a great and informative web site this has become. This could be a decent place to discuss ideas amongst like-minded progressives. Your type have turned it into a sh*tfest.
I hope you’re happy.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmThat tax act that reduced tax shelters? That tax cut?
Sure the top bracket got a technical tax cut but in the end they ended up paying more because there were less places to hide from the taxman.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pm“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers and idiots named Jane E. Schneider†Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 11:56 am
You’ll have to go through me, first.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Holy crap… I skip that idiots rants, and didn’t see that the threatened your wife!
Let’s everyone email TP now with this comment, and ask that this person be banned.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmBack to Reagan, do you mean the Tax Reform Act of 1986 which sought to broadenthe tax base by raising taxes on the bottom bracket? That tax cut?
Yup, that tax cut. It cut taxes for the people who were already paying too much.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:11 pmi’m sorry I stopped reading once I got to the quote.
What kind of nasty little person are you, freedomrings, to advocate killing someone because they disagree with your obviously flawed approach to conversation?
Your IP address should be banned. That is clearly out of line.
You are quickly becoming a characture. A Spiteful and Frightened little man begging for attention and willing to write anything to get it.
You are truely, and I mean this, pathetic. Not joking like I do with Mr. President…but you are really a pathetic little man.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:13 pmI see you didn’t deny it… LOL
The truth is just soooooo obvious.
Comment by unbelievable — July 1, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Alright, thug. Allow me to make something clear to you: nobody needs to answer to you. Keep typing over your computer. Your man must have divorced you long ago, too bad. You should turn to prostitution, perhaps that will up your self-esteem, nympho.
I guess that all-out sex parties don’t work so well for Africa, right?
But never mind that, you can always blame Republicans!
You haven’t explained how your inane projection relates with the topic at hand, for one. Yet you’re so confident, uneducated moron…
Comment by unbelievable:
I see y’ not be deny-it it… LOL
Da troof is just soo obveeus.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:15 pmMy message to TP:
In case you guys missed this (it’s from the Al Gore thread):
The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers and idiots named Jane E. Schneider†Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 11:56 am
I don’t know what’s going on with the trolls, but like most conservatives, if there aren’t dire negative consequences for their bad behavior, they think that they are being condoned… I hate to think what they will say next if there are no consequences for saying this. Thanks.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:16 pm“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers and idiots named Jane E. Schneider†…
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 11:56 am
You’ll have to go through me, first.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:05 pm
Not a problem siht-stick! Observe…
July 1st, 2007 at 12:19 pmWilliam Shakespeare wrote, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers!†I’m sure if he were alive he would rewrite it to say, “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers and idiots named Jane E. & Wayne A. Schneider†since there is no doubt in my mind he would consider you both to be vacuous waste of space! Yes, it is part of a play and yes Shakespeare wrote it and no the Butcher was a Butcher not a writer so Nick only said what Shakespeare wrote! Please by all means STFUp
Adjusted for inflation, the price of oil has to rise to $90 to equal the Carter years. It’s bounced between $60-70 over the last couple years.
Comment by m12
What did we pay at the pump, idiot? Oh and I looked the highest price of a barrel was $39.50 until 2006. Oh we paid about $1.24 per gallon.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:19 pm“Let’s everyone email TP now with this comment, and ask that this person be banned.”
Comment by unbelievable — July 1, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
Thanks, unb, but I think that this whackjob should have been banned well before he threatened me. Either Bartlebee’s right, that he’s an agent provacateur who’s been trying to provoke one of us into agreeing with one of his hare-brained ideas so that we’d come under even more scrutiny by this administration; or he’s just plain nuts. I can’t decide which.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:19 pmComment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
You are hysterical.
I’ve never been divorced. I also don’t define myself in terms of other people, like you.
You still didn’t deny it. LOL
July 1st, 2007 at 12:19 pmm12
The net effect of that tax cut was actually an increase in taxes via reducing the number of possible tax shelters the rich can invest in.
IE: The tax cut was actually a tax hike.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:19 pmEither Bartlebee’s right, that he’s an agent provacateur who’s been trying to provoke one of us into agreeing with one of his hare-brained ideas so that we’d come under even more scrutiny by this administration; or he’s just plain nuts. I can’t decide which.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I’m leaning toward “just plain nuts”, myself.
I think I prefer posting on a site where my wife’s life is not being threatened with impunity. Nor mine, for that matter.
Later, folks!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmComment by Vinnie — July 1, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
MY GOD HOLD ON VINNIE I’LL GET YOU A LADDER YOU MOM’S BASEMENT IS TOO DEEP. CAN YOU HEAR ME? HELLO!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmI can’t decide which.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Maybe both?
He had no right to say that. It was so far over the line, that he needs to be called out for it.
I don’t know why these hysterical trolls haven’t been banned. Faiz doesn’t seem to be as strict about it as Judd was.
I wish they’d start site registration. It’s not like registration hurts a site’s hits…
July 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmI come here looking for some kind of intelligent debate, and some of the postings contain sucn
I may not agree with freedomrings, but he is at least making cogent points without attacking someone else just because they disagree.
Without mentioning names; if you criticize someone for resorting to name-calling, it undermines your argument to then call that person a name. Many posters veer away from the topic under discussion to score their partisan points. Maybe that makes YOU feel good, but you add nothing to the discussion, and nothing of any substance for someone like me to evaluate your true position.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:26 pmYou can say Clinton was worse or Reagan was worse, but the facts in support or opposition are, sadly, just minutiae to help make your point.
Reagan dismantled social programs, borrowed a ton of money (deficit spending) to spend on batshite crazy star wars programs,
and began the neo-con revolution. But he lowered taxes.
Clinton brought us peace, prosperity, and a balanced budget.
But, he also brought us NAFTA (a disasta) draconian anti-drug policies, and a worse environment.
Both guys did some good things. Both did the U.S. a disservice.
The thread is about Al Gore.
Here’s my take.
I think global warming is partially man-made. The scientists believe that man is responsible for 90% of the warming since 1950.
I agree that we should do all we can to fund and encourage sustainable, and pollution free energy. Personally, I believe pollution is the biggest problem, and global warming is increasing as a result of some of that pollution.
I do not support the corporate carbon tax solution, because it allows some to pollute, while seeking to balance this with non-polluters. This carbon tax scheme seems to be some kind of subterfuge to let primary bad actors continue with their bad acts.
Comments? Other points of view are welcome. If you call me a name it’s because you have nothing else to go with. How sad for you.
You still didn’t deny it. LOL
Comment by unbelievable
Why do you insist on proving my point?
IT HAS NO RELEVANCE. I’ve humped 18943094 times. Clear? Now SHUT UP.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:27 pmFreedomrings;
Way bakc in that dark little mind of yours, you have had an idea for awhile, now, haven’t you? Nobody is there for you and nobody listens to you when you know, if they did, they would see you as the true revolutionary they have been waiting for.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:27 pmBut the world can’t accept you now, and so you sit there alone in that dark place, for days and weeks on end.
I tell you this; it’s not going to get any better. The people aren’t going to listen and see your greatness.
So that idea that you have, in the back of your little mind, is the best idea for you.
You are truely alone and sad and your life will never be any better than it is right now. There are those who are better off leaving this place. They are broken and have no chance of redemption.
That little voice in the back of your dark mind, is correct. You have thought about it. So you should, in fact, act upon it. While you still can make some decisions for yourself.
“I wish they’d start site registration. It’s not like registration hurts a site’s hits…”
Comment by unbelievable — July 1, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
I brought that up when I had to email TP recently about my name being hijacked. I never received a response on either topic, and the posts from the fake “Jane E. Schneider” are still up. You’d think that TP would have learned from that thread with the 5000 or so comments, most of which were name hijackings.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:27 pmLet’s everyone email TP now with this comment, and ask that this person be banned.
Comment by unbelievable
Done, as soon as it went up. Waiting……
July 1st, 2007 at 12:27 pmComment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
E-mail the POPE if you want. I never threatened you I had William Shakespeare pen you into his play! I did it in the spirit of one of your favorite writers Ann Colosuer or whatever her name is. Actually you keep following me from thread to thread and post to post in a harassing manner that one could express as terroristic? Maybe you should simply GFY
July 1st, 2007 at 12:27 pmDone, as soon as it went up. Waiting……
Comment by Zooey — July 1, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
You do know that I use a proxy right?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:29 pmComments? Other points of view are welcome. If you call me a name it’s because you have nothing else to go with. How sad for you.
Comment by funky p
More moderate views are always welcome to debate, funky p.
Did you happen to notice the threats issued by freedomrings? Surely that’s not ok with you?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:29 pmYou do know that I use a proxy right?
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Actually, as long as you’re not making threats on people’s lives, I don’t give a shit what you do.
Go back to nailing yourself on the cross……
July 1st, 2007 at 12:31 pmI take back my compliment to freedomrings…guess I took so long to read the thread that I missed some later rantings.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:32 pmLighten up dude. You have reasonable debate skills, why the rancor?
Should I be taking points from a trashy bartender? You should have let me in on that sooner, I could have had even more of a laugh at your drivel.
Your experience has showed you the way, I take it.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 11:57 am
I stopped managing the bar in Downtown Chicago about 18 years ago. That’s not exactly like your corner tavern in Shitsville, USA. But it is where I learned how to whip ignorant loudmouth jackasses into shape. Thanks for noticing.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:32 pmNow SHUT UP.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Nope.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:33 pmDean of Dissent, TP.org
You might get through Wayne. You might kill Jane.
If you do I have a job which will lead me to your real name, address, and photos of your face. I will not kill you, I do not believe in killing.
Instead I will show you why in ancient Celtic society the bard was more feared then the enemy.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:33 pmYou do know that I use a proxy right?
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
That’s smooth,yo….
July 1st, 2007 at 12:34 pm“I may not agree with freedomrings, but he is at least making cogent points without attacking someone else just because they disagree.” Comment by funky p — July 1, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Uh, apparently you haven’t read all of his posts on this thread or any other. Sorry, funky p, but many of us have been dealing with freedomrings for a while, and, while he sometimes starts off in a reasonable manner (except the constant boldface), that reasonability quickly turns into vicious attacks against anyone who disagrees with him. If you check out some of the threads over the last few weeks, you’ll see the pattern. Just look for the long, bold-faced comments, most of which ended in repeating several times in all caps some mantra about calling for a general strike.
BTW, I agree with you completely about the corporate carbon tax.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:35 pmComment by Bruce Gorton
Who are you talking to, pal? You skipped ‘freedomrings’, he’s the accused. Learn how to read. I made no threats.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:36 pmYou should be banned for making a threat like that you f*cking moron.
Nail yourself on the cross somewhere else, crybaby.
Comment by Zooey
Oohoo, Jane on the east coast and you out west, kicking ass and taking no prisoners. God bless America!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
And there’s just so much wrong with this comment on so many levels…
July 1st, 2007 at 12:37 pmYou’d think that TP would have learned from that thread with the 5000 or so comments, most of which were name hijackings.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
I miss Judd… He has no tolerance for the name jackers or violent trolls.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:37 pmLet’s review the SCHNEIDER case
“What makes any of you think we will even get to ‘08??â€
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 10:12 am
And this from the one who complains about FUD (along with everything else).
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Oh, were you asking ME? You should have said so. I don’t see any point in answering a bullshite “question†from from a boldfaced crackpot.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 10:23 am
It is my opinion that this person is an idiot and should be shot into space with all of the lawyers!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:38 pmDean of Dissent, TP.org
Sorry, you guys tend to blend into one after a while.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:38 pmEnjoy posting to yourself, freedomrings.
Because here, just like in real life, nobody wants you around.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pm(Which is, when you think about it, why you should be really worried about Freedomrings.)
July 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pmI stopped managing the bar in Downtown Chicago about 18 years ago. That’s not exactly like your corner tavern in Shitsville, USA. But it is where I learned how to whip ignorant loudmouth jackasses into shape. Thanks for noticing.
Comment by shane
Actually, you took your experience the wrong way. It gave you the skills to be lunatic who can’t argue on merits. If society depends on cantankerous broken-bottle waivers for being “whipped into shape,” we’re in deep trouble.
You’re a braindead wing-nut. You’re not exactly the person I would consult to get “whipped into shape.”
Keep overrating yourself (and every other nut). There’s nothing to learn, however.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:41 pmComment by Bruce Gorton
Uh, no, you can clearly see the difference in user names. Nobody “blends into one.”
July 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pmThat’s smooth,yo….
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
So the Dean of Dissent is showing his tolerance for threats of violence. You need to be brought up for a review of your peers, and sanctioned.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:45 pmNope.
Comment by unbelievable
July 1st, 2007 at 12:46 pmWhat a bad ass. You should give us your insight one of these days.
Done, as soon as it went up. Waiting……
Comment by Zooey — July 1, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
You do know that I use a proxy right?
Comment by freedomrings
You do know everything can be linked back to you right?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:46 pmIn my own defense to the accusations at hand. I threatened nothing and not a soul. I would never hurt injure or kill someone deliberately. Anything said here is entirely fictitious since I took liberty of including some posters screen names and included them in with the works of William Shakespeare. I also made sure to indicate that as well on the disputed posts. These idiots have no detectable sense of humor. The most offended Jane S. even said I had a, “sick sense of humor†and to me that was her asking for me to use or develop a sick sense of humor! In interest of peace I wish to retract said works of fiction!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:47 pmHumbly freedomrings
Dean of Dissent, TP.org
You trolls tend to. You guys believe exactly the same things and employ the same arguments to support them, with no rebellion visible.
While unbeleivable is a seperate and distinct entity from Kate and Wayne, occassionally disagreeing with them on points, you trolls tend to all follow the exact same arguments which we have week in, week out ad nauseam.
Hence while you have different names, to me you aren’t all that distinct.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:48 pmUh, no, you can clearly see the difference in user names. Nobody “blends into one.â€
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Sorry CT, user names or not — y’all blend together. You might want to be mindful of who you blindly support.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:48 pmSo the Dean of Dissent is showing his tolerance for threats of violence. You need to be brought up for a review of your peers, and sanctioned.
Comment by Zooey
I’m not showing tolerance for anything of that nature. You’re exaggerating and playing political justice. My response was to his “proxy” assertion. Read a little.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:49 pmYou should give us your insight one of these days.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
You’re not smart enough. You have to have atleast a triple digit IQ.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:50 pmSorry CT, user names or not — y’all blend together. You might want to be mindful of who you blindly support.
Comment by Zooey
Stupid talk. Nothing for proof, as usual. You’re playin’ politics, now….
July 1st, 2007 at 12:51 pmEnjoy posting to yourself, freedomrings.
Because here, just like in real life, nobody wants you around.
Comment by willyloman
I haven’t been reading freedomfringes in weeks. I only know about his threats from peoples responses to him. If he’s not banned then he should definitely be ignored. He is a danger on many levels but mostly I believe he is trying to do permanent damage to TP by making it seem like we’re revolutionaries.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:51 pmHumbly freedomrings
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Words are powerful. That’s why you’re here posting so many of them.
Of course, in your little world it’s Shakespeare’s fault, and it’s Jane’s fault — never yours. No, they were only YOUR words.
Take responsibility for yourself and quit whining.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:52 pmKeep overrating yourself (and every other nut). There’s nothing to learn, however.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Sure Dean of Distates, whatever you say. All I know is you not only have no credibility around her but you’ve cost Mr. P the respect he once had. So whatever your connection to him congrats to you both. Oh and grow up.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:53 pmYou’re not smart enough. You have to have atleast a triple digit IQ.
Comment by unbelievable
Are you sure? I know the IQ requirements for “virgin inquiring” is pretty high, but I’m not sure the bar was ever set that high.
I look forward to your continuing presentation of flawless logic.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:54 pmSo the Dean of Dissent is showing his tolerance for threats of violence. You need to be brought up for a review of your peers, and sanctioned.
Comment by Zooey
Who are his peers? The kids on “Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader”. Bozo’s Circus is off the air now.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:54 pmYou do know everything can be linked back to you right?
Comment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
July 1st, 2007 at 12:56 pmWell they can’t ban my IP since this isn’t my IP. So they will need to ban my screen name etc. Though I just posted a retraction and it would be best if the SCHNEIDER’S (if they are real) stop antagonizing posters like me and stop posting in antagonizing ways. If they want to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights to curse at me or call me derogatory names then what is good for the goose is good for the gander!
Hence while you have different names, to me you aren’t all that distinct.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — July 1, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
I agree – they seem like maybe 5 or 6 different people only distinguishable by grammar and lexicon – posting under countless different names. Their song is always the same, and there’s never an original thought among them.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:56 pmComment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Not an acceptable defense. You do this sort of thing on every thread on which you post comments, although you went a little too far this time. Hell, I’ve seen you viciously attack someone who was actually agreeing with you, because you misread what they wrote. You’ve got real anger-management issues, and you’re not making any friends or influencing anyone when you go off the deep end so often. Don’t ever threaten me again, by “proxy” or in any other way.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:56 pmAre you sure? I know the IQ requirements for “virgin inquiring†is pretty high, but I’m not sure the bar was ever set that high.
I look forward to your continuing presentation of flawless logic.
Comment by Dean of Dissent
I’d worry about your own virginity at your age and nobody elses. I suspect that is why you’re such an evil, bitter “youth”.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:57 pmThough I just posted a retraction and it would be best if the SCHNEIDER’S (if they are real) stop antagonizing posters like me and stop posting in antagonizing ways. If they want to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights to curse at me or call me derogatory names then what is good for the goose is good for the gander!
Comment by freedomrings
You have been antagonizing ALL the progressive posters around here for weeks under the same name. I recall suggesting that you’d be happier spewing at a neocon site. Give it a try. They probably like death threats on those sites. You won’t get any sympathy around here.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:59 pmSure Dean of Distates, whatever you say. All I know is you not only have no credibility around her but you’ve cost Mr. P the respect he once had. So whatever your connection to him congrats to you both. Oh and grow up.
I’m sorry, I don’t accept fake intelligence from experienced bartenders. Go find Bin Laden, you’re smart enough, I suppose. Whatcha doin’ here?
By your logic of “growing up,” I’ll be a 53-year-old cantankerous wing-nut. So grown up that would be.
You mouth, I filter.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:59 pmComment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Yes, the “Schneiders” are real and we post under our real names. Your “retraction” has no substance, and your subsequent post, referenced, proves that. So don’t even bother trying to defend yourself.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:03 pmTake responsibility for yourself and quit whining.
Comment by Zooey — July 1, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Then they’d be liberals :D
July 1st, 2007 at 1:03 pmI’m sorry, I don’t accept fake intelligence from experienced bartenders. Go find Bin Laden, you’re smart enough, I suppose. Whatcha doin’ here?
By your logic of “growing up,†I’ll be a 53-year-old cantankerous wing-nut. So grown up that would be.
You mouth, I filter.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
And I don’t need political lessons from some diaper wetting brat who couldn’t get into a real school and is paying for his junior college education by antagonizing people here. Although I suspect you trolls are all indentured servants at Regent College or one of those other Reich Wing schools that produce the people who have destroyed the justice and other departments. But how sad is it that you can’t even get in there on a scholarship, what would it take a 2.0 gpa, and have to spew here for your tuition. What a pathetic joke and loser you are.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:03 pmYou’re not smart enough. You have to have atleast a triple digit IQ.
Comment by unbelievable
Are you sure? I know the IQ requirements for “virgin inquiring†is pretty high, but I’m not sure the bar was ever set that high.
I look forward to your continuing presentation of flawless logic.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
So, I take it to you 100 IQ, which is the human average, is a high, lofty goal then?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:04 pmNot an acceptable defense. You do this sort of thing on every thread on which you post comments, although you went a little too far this time. Hell, I’ve seen you viciously attack someone who was actually agreeing with you, because you misread what they wrote. You’ve got real anger-management issues, and you’re not making any friends or influencing anyone when you go off the deep end so often. Don’t ever threaten me again, by “proxy†or in any other way.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
So, you are going to now after all of this “tell me what to do?†Am I hearing that correctly? You said, “Don’t ever threaten me again,” I never threatened you? I don’t know you. I don’t want to know you and I hope you get shot out into space with all of the lawyers! Odds are that will not happen but yes I have a sick sense of humor!
Here have a kiss XX
July 1st, 2007 at 1:05 pmSo, I take it to you 100 IQ, which is the human average, is a high, lofty goal then?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Obviously he’s a little shy of average.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:05 pmI’d worry about your own virginity at your age and nobody elses. I suspect that is why you’re such an evil, bitter “youthâ€.
I’m accepting your assessment, a personal assessment over a computer from an insane bartender? Go worry about the “virginity lost” concerning someone who has a slew of STD’s and unwanted children. They must be well-off, according to your definition of manhood.
I’m actually sane enough to point out what a real lunatic you are, so there’s your response.
People like you are an embarrassment to our society. Your influence is exactly the problem.
BLAME REPUBLICANS! Heck, they’re just the enemies attempting to teach abstinence. You simply stand in their way.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:06 pmComment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Look at who’s afraid now. Booohhhoho I haven’t done a thing….
These are the guys that are so cowardly as to waive their civil rights because they are so afraid of terrorists and aliens and the thing under the bed. Even of “Keystone Kaida” like in the UK this weekend.
Wimps. I don’t take them serious, never
July 1st, 2007 at 1:06 pmYou have been antagonizing ALL the progressive posters around here for weeks under the same name. I recall suggesting that you’d be happier spewing at a neocon site. Give it a try. They probably like death threats on those sites. You won’t get any sympathy around here.
Comment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
While I don’t like to ignore all trolls because I think it makes us look unable to respond, I am all for shutting this one out. Let’s ignore it. It will change names, no doubt, but it can’t stop itself from the disturbed idiocyncrisies that give it away…
July 1st, 2007 at 1:07 pmSince this thread is so wide ranging, I’ll mention this from the BBC about Uganda’s plastic bag crisis. It seems that everything purchased in Uganda comes in a plastic bag. Ugandans reuse these plastic bags for everthing…milk…food…gasoline…and most troubling… for toilets. Apparently sewage treatment is in short supply in Uganda….because the people relieve themselves in plastic bags, tie a knot, and give them a toss. Flying Latrines is what they call them.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pmThis is a serious problem because the plastic bags don’t decompose, get buried, and make the soil unviable…nothing grows.
Millions of these bags enter the country courtesy of Globalization.
Churchill refered to Uganda as the Pearl of Africa. It is becoming a plastic bag hell on earth.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Why do you ask questions based on your own stupid misinterpretations? Get lost, really. You make absolutely no sense.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pmBLAME REPUBLICANS! Heck, they’re just the enemies attempting to teach abstinence. You simply stand in their way.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Says the inbred, homeschooled by his mother, ass questioning unbelievable’s virginity. You dish it out but you can’t take it. That’s why normal people send their children to school, to learn social skills. There’s something you’ve never learned and never will, it’s too late, that corridor of the brain is permanently closed. Look it up, Newsweek article.
And FYI, the topic was Al Gore and global warming. I know you’re thrilled that you and your hack cronies have disrupted the thread from the subject. But that’s in itself is why we HATE and I mean HATE the likes of you and freedomrings and all you other political hack who will never ever go anywhere in the real world.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:12 pmEither Bartlebee’s right, that he’s an agent provacateur who’s been trying to provoke one of us into agreeing with one of his hare-brained ideas so that we’d come under even more scrutiny by this administration; or he’s just plain nuts. I can’t decide which.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Okay, I’ve decided to go with “just plain nuts.”
July 1st, 2007 at 1:14 pmAnd I don’t need political lessons from some diaper wetting brat who couldn’t get into a real school and is paying for his junior college education by antagonizing people here. Although I suspect you trolls are all indentured servants at Regent College or one of those other Reich Wing schools that produce the people who have destroyed the justice and other departments. But how sad is it that you can’t even get in there on a scholarship, what would it take a 2.0 gpa, and have to spew here for your tuition. What a pathetic joke and loser you are.
Actually, nut, millions of people have used “junior colleges” to get into real schools, and I’m no different. It’s the first two years of a four-year education, there’s no economic disadvantage to attending one (contrary to your bigoted desires).
As well, drunk, my funding (scholarships and otherwise) are not of your concern, so the projections of a trashy bartender don’t count. Decisions are based on personal reasons, not your trashy standards. As well, I have no plans to attend a religious-affiliated school. You are pushing stereotypes. You are no better than the people you rally against, period.
GET LOST. YOUTH BASHER.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:15 pmDean of Dissent, TP.org
No, you claim that 100 IQ, count the digits and you will find that there are three of them (Hence it being a triple digit number), is a high bar to you.
No misinterpretation there. A bit of well earned mockery perhaps, but no misinterpretation.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:16 pmActually, nut, millions of people have used “junior colleges†to get into real schools, and I’m no different. It’s the first two years of a four-year education, there’s no economic disadvantage to attending one (contrary to your bigoted desires).
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org — July 1, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
As a person who worked in recruiting for investment bankers and ad agencies I can tell you that those resumes are disregarded immediately. Of course, to stock shelves at the local Target, it will be just fine, loser.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:18 pmOkay, I’ve decided to go with “just plain nuts.â€
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
A wise assessment.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:18 pmEither Bartlebee’s right, that he’s an agent provacateur(SIC) who’s been trying to provoke one of us into agreeing with one of his hare-brained ideas so that we’d come under even more scrutiny by this administration; or he’s just plain nuts. I can’t decide which.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Okay, I’ve decided to go with “just plain nuts.â€
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 1:14
See how you keep it going and going and how you spin reality to paint a picture of you as the offended one or the threatened one when in reality it is you that are the agent provocateur?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:18 pmAs well, drunk, my funding (scholarships and otherwise) are not of your concern, so the projections of a trashy bartender don’t count. Decisions are based on personal reasons, not your trashy standards. As well, I have no plans to attend a religious-affiliated school. You are pushing stereotypes. You are no better than the people you rally against, period.
GET LOST. YOUTH BASHER.
Comment by Dean of Dissent
Oh and diaper boy, 20 something is old enough to grow up and join the military and really support the war you’re so fond of. Then maybe you could afford a decent education, like I had.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:19 pmDean of Dissent, TP.org
So, reading your words there: People who work their way through college via taking jobs like being bartenders, are trash?
What are your feelings about people who waited tables?
Gee whiz and you conservatives call us elitists.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:21 pmYou are pushing stereotypes.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Oh and with all your railing against liberals or progressives this is just to priceless. Why don’t you go get a real job now, we’ve heard enough of your crap to last a lifetime.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:21 pmSee how you keep it going and going and how you spin reality to paint a picture of you as the offended one or the threatened one when in reality it is you that are the agent provocateur?
Comment by freedomrings
We all saw it. Denying it won’t change anything. You cannot beat somebody up and apologize for it later. That’s how victims of domestic abuse get killed. Enough is enough.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:23 pmGee whiz and you conservatives call us elitists.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Exactly, and he’s the big war proponent who won’t enlist so he can get a decent education. Dean of Dunces is more appropriate.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:24 pmWhat happened Dean of Dunces. Did you head over to the recruiter to sign up for your tour of duty or are you just cowering under your bed again?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:26 pmStupid talk. Nothing for proof, as usual. You’re playin’ politics, now….
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
My proof are your comments on this thread. I’m not playing politics, I’m talking to YOU.
You know a lot, but you don’t know everything — no one does — not even us, but what we do have is a lot more experience in the world, so we might have just a little more wisdom going on.
Take it or leave it. It makes no difference to me at this point.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:26 pmTake it or leave it. It makes no difference to me at this point.
Comment by Zooey
I guess he ran off scared. Not so brave about that Iraq war now apparently.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:27 pmI guess he ran off scared. Not so brave about that Iraq war now apparently.
Comment by shane
Don’t call the police if you don’t plan on joining the force, then. Follow your own logic, panzy. You’re not going to have the upper hand in any debate, so why do you keep at it?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:31 pmAh so back to the point. Al Gore and his wife Tipper forced an issue years ago about a music ratings and labeling system. The idea was that regardless of the 1st Amendment the convinced the recording industry to go along with a voluntary rating system even though it would be Unconstitutional since Tipper wanted it that way! I’m not sure that it was after that Al Gore claimed that he invented the internet even though that was not true. It always struck me as comical that Al Gore debated the musical legend Frank Zappa in a government hearing. Now he is pushing a carbon tax and here we must suspend disbelief since there is no way I’m going to feel guilty about burning oil. I had no choice in the matter and continue to have no choice in the matter. Rationing energy to the point of cessation is the only fair method that has any kind of chance.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:31 pmOh and with all your railing against liberals or progressives this is just to priceless. Why don’t you go get a real job now, we’ve heard enough of your crap to last a lifetime.
Comment by shane
July 1st, 2007 at 1:34 pmMy “real job” will beat bartending at any rate, that’s certain.
Oh and diaper boy, 20 something is old enough to grow up and join the military and really support the war you’re so fond of. Then maybe you could afford a decent education, like I had.
Comment by shane
You have no decent education. You are a disgrace to our society, so I will not stoop down to your level.
Again, my finances and overall direction is not going to be disclosed to a cantankerous fool, so get your act straight.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:37 pmAs a person who worked in recruiting for investment bankers and ad agencies I can tell you that those resumes are disregarded immediately. Of course, to stock shelves at the local Target, it will be just fine, loser.
Actually, investment bankers rarely take anybody who doesn’t come from the Harvards, Dukes, Yales, Browns, etc. It’s not bias on community colleges, and as I’ve said before, people can use their community colleges to advance to those schools and land those jobs if they desire. You’re being an all-or-nothing bigot where there’s no justification. You wouldn’t be telling me that if I was a progressive commentator.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:43 pmAl Gore never claimed to have invented the internet! For crying out loud, how many times are will we have to hear that from morons? Al Gore said that after having seen the DARPA NET (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) in action, he “took the initiative” in “helping to create the internet.”
It was the Republicans and conservatives who twisted that into the well-known lie it is today. The lie isn’t that “Al Gore claimed to have invented the internet when he didn’t.” The lie is the claim that Al Gore ever made that claim! He didn’t make it!
And these people expect to be treated respectfully and their opinions and falsehoods should be treated as fact.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:47 pmWe all saw it. Denying it won’t change anything. You cannot beat somebody up and apologize for it later. That’s how victims of domestic abuse get killed. Enough is enough.
Comment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
You saw me beating somebody up?? Quick! Describe me A-S-L-hair-eyes-distinguishing-features-tattoos?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:48 pmComment by Bruce Gorton
No, you claim that 100 IQ, count the digits and you will find that there are three of them (Hence it being a triple digit number), is a high bar to you.
No misinterpretation there. A bit of well earned mockery perhaps, but no misinterpretation.
Plenty of misinterpretation on your part. Admit your error because anybody with a brain-stem could notice that to be sarcasm.
You should do more shutting-up in your spare time.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:51 pmAl Gore never claimed to have invented the internet! For crying out loud, how many times are will we have to hear that from morons? Al Gore said that after having seen the DARPA NET (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) in action, he “took the initiative†in “helping to create the internet.â€
It was the Republicans and conservatives who twisted that into the well-known lie it is today. The lie isn’t that “Al Gore claimed to have invented the internet when he didn’t.†The lie is the claim that Al Gore ever made that claim! He didn’t make it!
And these people expect to be treated respectfully and their opinions and falsehoods should be treated as fact.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
You are so full of siht! Go to the link where Al clearly invented the internet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpxtKcLSFWw
GFlackYourself
July 1st, 2007 at 1:51 pmAh so back to the point. …
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Sorry, you’ve proven yourself to be someone that most of us want NOTHING to do with. Make your posts on redstate.com or something like that. You are not worth our time.
“there is no way I’m going to feel guilty about burning oil.”
So, you are indeed a selfish, right-wing troll who doesn’t give a sh*t about the future of our planet. No wonder we hate you so much.
Please, you have no friends here. Just go away!!
July 1st, 2007 at 1:53 pmCreating the Internet would be more advanced then inventing it but then he had nothing to do with it since the DoD had it done already!
July 1st, 2007 at 1:54 pmYou are so full of siht! Go to the link where Al clearly invented the internet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpxtKcLSFWw
GFlackYourself
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Unlike you, I actually check links, and so I checcked the one you gave. Guess what? Al Gore is quoted as saying, “I took the initiative ion creating the internet.”
That sounds a lot more like what I said he said than what YOU said he said. Perhaps I have a better understanding of the English language than you. I’ll repeat it, Al Gore NEVER said he “invented” the internet.
You’ve proven your inability to have a serious debate to my complete satisfaction now. And while my command of English is better than yours, I will just have to ask you to demonsrate what “flacking” onself is before I take you up on your offer. And thank you for threatening my life again.
Meatime, go generally strike yourself. Good bye.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:58 pmSorry, you’ve proven yourself to be someone that most of us want NOTHING to do with. Make your posts on redstate.com or something like that. You are not worth our time.
“there is no way I’m going to feel guilty about burning oil.â€
So, you are indeed a selfish, right-wing troll who doesn’t give a sh*t about the future of our planet. No wonder we hate you so much.
Please, you have no friends here. Just go away!!
Comment by Vinnie — July 1, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
VAINEY, LISTEN FOR THE LAST TIME YOUR MOM’S BASEMENT IS TOO DEEP AND THE WALLS ARE TOO THICK FOR ME TO HEAR YOU HERE IN NEBRASKA. MOVE OUT OF THERE AND GET A LIFE
July 1st, 2007 at 1:58 pmWALLS ARE TOO THICK FOR ME TO HEAR YOU HERE IN NEBRASKA.
Comment by freedomrings
Nebraska??!!?
Ne- Braska??!!?
BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!
That explains a lot.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:02 pmDean of Dissent, TP.org
Don’t call the cops if their isn’t a crime.
But I digress,
If you are going to claim that you support the war, well the war effort needs you. Join the army, volunteer to go to the front because soldiers right now are having their tours of duty extended because there are not enough of them. If you support the war you should put your money where your mouth is, and go join the war.
And if you support the troops, you should be standing up for veterans benefits. You should be seeing to it, that the budget for veterans benefits remains top class, if you say you support the troops, you should actually support the troops. Yet, it is often the antiwar crowd, the liberals who you Republicans claim hate the troops, who are most vocal in support of veterans benefits.
The Republican response I have seen on these boards, to veterans benefits when soldiers have had their limbs blown off, has been “They volunteered, no skin off my nose.”
If you really support America, support America, read your constitution and make it your personal mission to defend that wonderful document. You don’t have to be a lawyer, you just have to understand that that document was a line in the sand drawn to judge what government can, and cannot do.
Hold your officials accountable, don’t accept that “Clinton did it to.” If it is wrong it is wrong, whoever did it first. If you don’t trust either party to not abuse their power vote for an independent. If you can’t find an independent you trust? Stand for election yourself.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:03 pm#291,
Bravo, Bruce G
July 1st, 2007 at 2:04 pmUnlike you, I actually check links, and so I checcked(SIC) the one you gave. Guess what? Al Gore is quoted as saying, “I took the initiative ion creating the internet.â€
That sounds a lot more like what I said he said than what YOU said he said. Perhaps I have a better understanding of the English language than you. I’ll repeat it, Al Gore NEVER said he “invented†the internet.
You’ve proven your inability to have a serious debate to my complete satisfaction now. And while my command of English is better than yours, I will just have to ask you to demonsrate(SIC) what “flacking†onself(SIC) is before I take you up on your offer. And thank you for threatening my life again.
Meatime(SIC), go generally strike yourself. Good bye.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
4 (SIC)s pretty good command there wooble head! What is more funny is that Al Gore had nothing to do with the internet and wanted to be patted on the back ($$$$) for something that a nice English fella did. Then here you mince words over create or invent and you move to make your BIG point and then forget to use a spell checker. My advice is that when you point out my errors remember that three fingers are pointed back at you moron!
July 1st, 2007 at 2:07 pmDon’t call the cops if their isn’t a crime.
Whatcha talkin’ about, buddy?
You’re off subject. Don’t minimize my words.
I’ll respect this great nation with any ideology I choose. The democratic party does have a history of their own when it comes to disgrace and disrespect against the United States. Your party isn’t innocent.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:07 pmDon’t call the police if you don’t plan on joining the force, then. Follow your own logic, panzy. You’re not going to have the upper hand in any debate, so why do you keep at it?
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
That’s PANSY, like the little flower, idiot. And I don’t call the police to get my cat out of the tree either. I call them when and only when they are truly needed.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pmComment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
You saw me beating somebody up?? Quick! Describe me A-S-L-hair-eyes-distinguishing-features-tattoos?
Comment by freedomrings
It was a metaphor. I’ll explain it more simply next time.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:09 pmIf you are going to claim that you support the war, well the war effort needs you. Join the army, volunteer to go to the front because soldiers right now are having their tours of duty extended because there are not enough of them. If you support the war you should put your money where your mouth is, and go join the war.
That’s a talking point, sir, not a sound rebuttal.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:10 pmThat’s PANSY, like the little flower, idiot. And I don’t call the police to get my cat out of the tree either. I call them when and only when they are truly needed.
Shataap, yaoldcoot.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:11 pmForgive me, I left the word NOT out of “And thank you for threatening my life again.’ I regret the mistake. You did NOT threaten my life again, unless it is related to whatever “flacking” myself is.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:12 pmComment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Whatever. Check the dosage on your meds again.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:13 pmYou have no decent education. You are a disgrace to our society, so I will not stoop down to your level.
Again, my finances and overall direction is not going to be disclosed to a cantankerous fool, so get your act straight.
Comment by Dean of Dissent
I went to college. But I don’t need to explain it to you. I started working at 17 when I graduated high school early and have been working ever since. That’s a lot of years I contributed and you’ve as yet contributed nothing. Since I returned to college later than normal I do know that it makes a difference in really high powered jobs when and where you went to college. But that’s not going to mean a damn thing to somebody with your lack of social skills.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:14 pmNebraska??!!?
Ne- Braska??!!?
BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!
That explains a lot.
Comment by trueblue — July 1, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
What is wrong with Nebraska? We have a lovely state bird called the Sturnella neglecta! The best part is that it is far enough from Vinnie that I can’t hear his carbon taxing mouth!
July 1st, 2007 at 2:14 pmDon’t call the cops if their isn’t a crime.
I see. No need to call it in if terrorism is the nuisance of the day.
Typical lefty, bum-stroking, Islam-adoring, Stalinist, bed-wetting talking point.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:16 pmActually, investment bankers rarely take anybody who doesn’t come from the Harvards, Dukes, Yales, Browns, etc. It’s not bias on community colleges, and as I’ve said before, people can use their community colleges to advance to those schools and land those jobs if they desire. You’re being an all-or-nothing bigot where there’s no justification. You wouldn’t be telling me that if I was a progressive commentator.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
FYI, they also throw out the resumes of people who took a year off before they started at those colleges to find themselves. Same at prestigious law firms. Believe it or not, to get the best jobs take fierced determination.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:17 pmThat’s a talking point, sir, not a sound rebuttal.
Comment by Dean of Dissent
Oh it’s an extremely sound rebuttal. But that’s all you can come up with? Go join up soldier.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:20 pmShataap, yaoldcoot.
Comment by Dean of Dissent
No you shut up diaper boy. I’m sure many people here don’t feel that 53 is as old as you say or that 20 is as young as you feel. So you STFU.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:21 pmBelieve it or not, to get the best jobs take fierced determination.
Comment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Not to be disagreeable with someone whose posts I enjoy, but I personally do not equate “the best jobs” with the ones that pay more. Sometimes you have to give up part of your soul to get the kind of money that motivates some people.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:22 pmTypical lefty, bum-stroking, Islam-adoring, Stalinist, bed-wetting talking point.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
From the typical lockstepping brown shirted neocon nazi fascist. Piss-soaked troll.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:23 pmIt was a metaphor. I’ll explain it more simply next time.
Comment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Wow, so that is what a metaphor looks like? I was under the impression that you were just another idiot acting like a clown.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:23 pmNot to be disagreeable with someone whose posts I enjoy, but I personally do not equate “the best jobs†with the ones that pay more. Sometimes you have to give up part of your soul to get the kind of money that motivates some people.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Oh I’m with you Wayne. That’s why I left the coporate world and tended bar for 15 years and hung out with my friends all day. I can’t believe they paid me to do that. But to the neocon nazis the only thing they will understand is the bottom line, unless they’re excusing their own lack of success.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:25 pmComment by shane
LOL. I think I’ve contributed, and I think I’ve held a number of jobs already. Why do you feel so confident in your filthy projections? Really, why? I started working earlier than you, by the way.
People need their booze and Stalinist talking points, so keep contributing to great ol’ America. Actually, the times change, and options to succeed become more diversified. Your viewpoints are essentially nullified, they don’t count, so keep talking to the wall.
Again, you’re not one to consult on Social skills. I mean, you’re a bartender. Geez….what don’t you get?
Everything to you is ‘name brand.’ I choose not to fall for it, so you’re the one at a disadvantage here. Ever watch the CBS documentary debunking the myth that students can easily get big-time jobs because they attended a name-brand school. Never mind, you’re brain dead.
A bartender……..please.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:26 pm‘
shutchy’facey’oldcoot
Wow, so that is what a metaphor looks like? I was under the impression that you were just another idiot acting like a clown.
Comment by freedomrings
Oh you cut me to the bone. You been over spewing at those neocon sites yet?
July 1st, 2007 at 2:26 pmFrom the typical lockstepping brown shirted neocon nazi fascist. Piss-soaked troll.
Another left-wing talking point. Glad to see you take notes from your surrender-monkeys.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:27 pmA bartender……..please.
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shutchy’facey’oldcoot
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Again, I haven’t tended bar in a very long time. I work for my husband or with my husband in the auto business we own. And you’re a paid troll. And you suck at that. Impressive.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pmDean of Dissent, TP.org
Typical righty, knows nothing of what was going on.
Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Even GW Bush, your personal god of vengeance, says so. Saddam was opposed to Osama Bin Laden, and though he was a nasty man, and indeed held views in opposition to America, he was not an immediate threat.
Osama Bin Laden, who had killed over 3000 Americans, was allowed to escape in order for America to invade Iraq. Afghanistan, a justified war, was allowed to degenerate to the point where Pakistan’s government is now faced with the taliban spreading its influence within their borders, and Afghanistan itself is now the world’s biggest poppy growing country.
Those WMDs, weren’t there. Those terrorist links, weren’t there. Indeed the best evidence released so far reveals a evil monster of a man in Saddam, who was nonetheless opposed to Osama Bin Laden. You trollls, you do merge into one after a while. When you can’t argue the facts, bring out the BS, and never mind the results of what your government did.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pmAnother left-wing talking point. Glad to see you take notes from your surrender-monkeys.
Comment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org
Says the twerp who gets his debating skills email from KKK Rove every morning. Whatever you say chimp boy. Or is that Chimpy loving boy. Whatever, I’m out of here.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:29 pmNo you shut up diaper boy. I’m sure many people here don’t feel that 53 is as old as you say or that 20 is as young as you feel. So you STFU.
Comment by shane
Nope, 20 is pretty young. In your case, 53 is probably more 83.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:30 pmAgain, just because you’re no longer young, doesn’t mean that youth no longer exists. I love the smell of jealousy.
Says the twerp who gets his debating skills email from KKK Rove every morning. Whatever you say chimp boy. Or is that Chimpy loving boy. Whatever, I’m out of here.
Comment by shane
More talking points attached to strawmen.
A moron in action!
July 1st, 2007 at 2:32 pmAgain, I haven’t tended bar in a very long time. I work for my husband or with my husband in the auto business we own. And you’re a paid troll. And you suck at that. Impressive.
Comment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Must get a ton of lawsuits.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:33 pmWhatever. Check the dosage on your meds again.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. You made this big post about how invent and create are words to hang me by. You go on to mention your command of language and mad not one, not two, not three but in fact four spelling errors. More than that there were grammatical errors too but you brought that up in another petty assed post. The point is your petty and what difference does it make if Gore said created or invented? Look at those words and then you point out that Gore chose CREATED. Wow, that is God stuff there WaynO. So your point was that you wanted to defend Al Gore and you thought it was disingenuous of me to bash him for,â€inventing the internet†when he in fact took responsibility for, “creating the internet.†So spelling errors aside your point is rather petty and even silly since you know that Al said something that was self serving and that was my point in bringing it up. GFarpY
July 1st, 2007 at 2:40 pmDean of Dissent, TP.org
No strawman there. Where is the straw man?
You could argue ad-hominem, which would make you a total hypocrit given your own response to my arguments, not that the straw man claim is any better given you accusing me of supporting the Democrats, after a post where I stated that if you don’t trust either party you should vote independent.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:41 pmI work for my husband or with my husband in the auto business we own.
Comment by shane — July 1, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
So you and he are car thieves or are you car jackers?
July 1st, 2007 at 2:42 pmDean of Dissent
People who get sued a lot vote Republican. After all, the Republicans are in favour of tort reform.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:43 pmI just sent in the following:
Can someone just ban freedomrings?
He is now accusing a poster of criminal behavior. You know, after he got roundly castigated for threatening the life of another, seperate poster.
Thankyou.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:46 pmfreedomrings has been owned royally by Wayne A. Schneider et al.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:56 pmfreedomrings has been owned royally by Wayne A. Schneider et al.
Comment by Zooey — July 1, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Gosh wooo
July 1st, 2007 at 3:01 pmMmmmmmmmm I ran out things to say…
I’m sure I’ll think of something at some point? Regardless have a good time banning me! And if you don’t see me again then you know that you have won! Byeeeeeee
July 1st, 2007 at 3:09 pmOh and never ever defame Nebraska we ROCK THE HOUSE
July 1st, 2007 at 3:10 pmWell, at least we know something we can mock Nebraskans for I suppose.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:12 pmPlease, freedomrings doesn’t represent Nebraskans or anything related to the state other than the unfortunate majority of regressive thinkers.
Nebraska is a magnificent state, despite the right-wing idiots who dominate our political scene. There are progressive thinkers here, and we battle honorably and continually to bring our political dialog up to the 21st Century.
This thread took several odd turns; it originally dealt with Gore’s call to Americans to take the lead on the issue of global warming…and his principled campaign to inform, educate and motivate us to act is worthy of reasoned debate. But until the anti-intellectual movement in this country is forced to retreat, we will continue to see this issue trivialized.
Is it any wonder that the nations of the world mock the United States?
July 1st, 2007 at 3:32 pm“You saw me beating somebody up??”
Comment by freedomrings — July 1, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Short-term memory disorder? Or Tony-Snow-”The-President-Never- Said-That”-Disorder?
July 1st, 2007 at 3:50 pmComment by Bruce Gorton — July 1, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Hear, hear, well spoken Bruce!
July 1st, 2007 at 3:54 pmWhat did we pay at the pump, idiot? Oh and I looked the highest price of a barrel was $39.50 until 2006. Oh we paid about $1.24 per gallon.
Do you not know what adjusted for inflation means?
July 1st, 2007 at 4:11 pmDo you not know what adjusted for inflation means?
Comment by m12
I assume you can show evidence that WAGES have been similarly adjusted for inflation?
July 1st, 2007 at 4:16 pmI’ll bet freedomrings was banned over at redstate.com. I don’t think anybody, left or right, could stand this guy’s ranting for very long. He is the definition of annoying troll.
What’s said is that he is actually proud of himself for bringing down the level of this message board. The good thing is that anyone with half a brain can tell who the jackass is (the right wing troll) and who the decent people are (most of the progressive thinkers that post here). Trolls, you’re doing a horrible job representing the 28%’ers.
July 1st, 2007 at 5:12 pmm12,
Maybe you should do some research before you post.
http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Oil/Inflation_Adj_Oil_Prices_Chart.htm
July 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pmwell, i guess it’s obvious who the wingnuts fear – al gore. every time there’s a post about gore on tp, it’s like a troll convention.
it’s funny, actually, to think that if gore runs, he’ll win. and then you trolls will be revelling in your hate for years.
not that you don’t already.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:33 pmComment by Dean of Dissent, TP.org #s 6&7
…you don’t want to pay taxes?
…move to…
…Iraq…
July 1st, 2007 at 9:06 pmHey Dumba*s Dean,
…While you’re so worried about paying taxes…
…Warren Buffet…
…who earned $46 million last year…
…exclaimed…
…”It’s a shame that I pay LESS taxes than my secretary”…
July 1st, 2007 at 9:31 pmAl Gore didn’t “create” the Internet, but I sure as hell remember watching him campaign for VP the first time around, and seeing him speak strongly in support for the “Information Superhighway.” He was out stumping for the technology before the vast majority of Americans, or American Politicians were in support, or even knew what the concept entailed.
Bottom line, Gore was ahead of the curve on the potentials of the system, and he did have an impact on its development on the Internet.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:51 amBottom line, Gore was ahead of the curve on the potentials of the system, and he did have an impact on its development on the Internet.
Comment by Ytterbius — July 2, 2007 @ 1:51 am
Exactly the prescient type of person we should have as President…
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:49 amComment by unbelievable — July 2, 2007 @ 8:49 am
Bottom line, Gore was ahead of the curve on the potentials of the system, and he did have an impact on its development on the Internet.
Exactly the prescient type of person we should have as President…
Even more compelling, his glorious life was the inspiration for the book “Love story.” So there’s that.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:56 am