Lieberman Uses Foiled British Terror Plot To Push For Greater U.S. Domestic Spying
Lieberman Uses Foiled British Terror Plot To Push For Greater U.S. Domestic Spying
Appearing on ABC’s This Week, Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) used the foiled terror attempts in London to call for greater domestic spying here in the United States. Lieberman said, “I hope these terrorist attacks in London wake us up here in America to stop the petty partisan fighting going on about…electronic surveillance,” in apparent reference to the Senate Judiciary Committee’s subpoenas for documents related to Bush’s NSA warrantless wiretapping program.
Lieberman claimed, “We’re at a partisan gridlock over the question of whether the American government can listen into conversations or follow email trails of non-American citizens.” This is false; the NSA spying program covered the surveillance of American citizens. The “gridlock” exists over whether the administration will cooperate with Congress by explaining why it feels current law is inadequate and why President Bush decided to ignore the law in authorizing a spying program that almost led to mass resignations at the Department of Justice.
Liebermen went further in his calls for greater domestic spying. “The Brits have got something smart going. … They have have cameras all over London. … I think it’s just common sense to do that here much more widely.” Watch it:
In the same interview, Lieberman said of the situation in Iraq, “The surge is working.” He refused to say whether he would back a withdrawal if Gen. Petraeus reports in September that progress is not being made.
Also, Lieberman reaffirmed his previous statements that Democratic candidates do not have “strong and muscular” approaches to foreign policy. Today, he said, “I would say that Democratic candidates, in the larger questions of American security, have been disappointing.”
UPDATE: In Aug. 2006, Lieberman seized on a terror plot in Britain to criticize Ned Lamont’s opposition to the war in Iraq.
UPDATE II: Atrios recalls Lieberman’s claim that a “complete withdrawal is possible by late 2007 or early 2008.”
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Gawd, I wish that the Democrats could Kick LIEberman to the curb. He is an embarrassment to the Democratic party.
He thinks that the Keystone Terrorists in Britain are a reason to spy on Americans? Why is that? Did the British government catch these jokers before they pulled off their stunt? Did they accomplish this by spying on British citizens. The answer to these two questions is No. So, I don't really see the connection that LIEberman is making.
I really wish there was some way we could make LIEberman STFU. Every time he opens his mouth it is on the front page of papers all across this country. But, if Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid say something of importance, it is pretty much ignored.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:29 am"This is about the security of our country and our people with an enemy that is prepared to attack us again and again here at home."
Yeah, but he's talking about the wrong "enemy". It's about the current administration who is undermining the security of our country, and is attacking us and our Constitution again and again here at home.
Why doesn't Joe just move to Israel? They have the "strong and muscular" foreign policy that he apparently dreams of. And he probably has more constituents there than in Connecticut!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:30 amWhat is with this guy?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:32 amHe is a true scumbag; why doesn't he declare himself a neo-con republican and quit pretending he represents anyone besides AIPAC.
Electronic surveillance did not stop the London bomb plot. Incompetency on the part of the "terrorists" did.
We have sufficient protections in place through the FISA court to spy on our enemies. Joe wants the gov't to be able to spy without a warrant. He needs to read the Constitution...he seems to be unaware of the fourth amendment, among others.
And he thinks we can install surveillance cameras everywhere "And of course, we can do it without compromising anybody’s real privacy."
What the fukc does he mean 'real privacy'
Impeach him along with the rest of them.
Remember when politicians used to tell you, "Vote for me, I'll make your life better."?
One thing 9/11 sure did change,... "Vote for me or you will die a fiery death blown to smithereens by a mad dog TERRORIST while you're out watching your daughter's soccer game!".
July 1st, 2007 at 11:34 amBOOOOOOOooooooo!
Joe Lieberman? Who pays attention to that delusional monster? Bedwetters like Lieberman will never be able to win a war; they don't have what it takes: regular contact with reality.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:37 amLIEBERMAN: Well, I’m talking about two things. The first is the so-called FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that was adopted in the ’70s. Technology has — both that used by the enemy, the terrorists, and that used by us has improved dramatically.
Ok, Lieberman now is clearly dizzy from republican spin. He can't even mount a logical defense. He's saying, in essence, "technology has improved, so the Bush administration shouldn't be required to get the OK of the FISA court," even though the court's reporting requirements don't interfere with the administration's investigational activities.
And somewhere in Iraq, another soldier dies today, because of Lieberman's political ambitions. Holy Joe thinks he'll triagulate himself into the White House.
Lord, deliver us from this evil man.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:39 amGee, who would have thought he'd use the London plots to push for tighter domestic spying?
:|
Who could have ever forseen that one?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:39 amSen. Joseph Lieberman is total Bullshit, just like the rest of the neo -cons.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:39 amThe POINT is FISA worked great, check it out, but these fascist a**holes want to spy without a court order so they can further their political agenda of Power and Greed.
GO LIEBERMAN!!!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:43 amIs there no one in Connecticut who is bright enough to find a way to dispose this foreign agent posing as a US Senator?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:43 amAnd 35 years from now will we be learing from the Family Jewels Part II that the CIA planted those car bombs in London to prevent Gordon Brown from changing course?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:44 am#1 Comment by Katie — July 1, 2007 @ 11:29 am
Gawd, I wish that the Democrats could Kick LIEberman to the curb. He is an embarrassment to the Democratic party.
Well, he is not an embarrassment to the Dems. He ain't one anymore. All the more reason why he should be stripped of the power he holds. I don't understand why this has not been done. What would be the negative cost of kicking him to the curb? That he will vote with the Rethugs?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:44 amI wish that the Democrats would kick him to the curb too.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:45 amJoe Lieberman: The delusionist's delusionist.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:45 amAnd 35 years from now will we be learing from the Family Jewels Part II that the CIA planted those car bombs in London to prevent Gordon Brown from changing course?
Comment by david — July 1, 2007 @ 11:44 am
And there it is.
Brown takes office. Promises to change course.
Next day here come the terrorists.
:|
Imagine that...
July 1st, 2007 at 11:45 amPLEASE, everyone write and call their Senator to kick Lieberman to the curb!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:46 amKICK LIEBERMAN TO THE CURB!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:47 amGawd, I wish that the Democrats could Kick LIEberman to the curb. He is an embarrassment to the Democratic party.
Comment by Katie — July 1, 2007 @ 11:29 am
FFS what year are you living in ?
That already happened.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:48 amThat's why he's sticking it to Democrats at every opportunity he can. This is the result of kicking him to the curb in favour of a candidate who couldn't beat him in an election.
Well, he is not an embarrassment to the Dems. He ain’t one anymore.
Comment by Merlin — July 1, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Oh but don't let that stop you calling your senator and asking them to "kick him to the curb". Yeah, kick him out of the party he isn't in.
Seriously, the TP authors here must be just so proud of you guys.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:52 amYou should take the information you learn here and act on it. March on Delaware, all the way to the White House. LOL
“I hope these terrorist attacks in London wake us up here in America to stop the petty partisan fighting going on about…electronic surveillance,â€
LIEberman...
This is the standard line. Reduce everything to "partisan politics." This is what the Repub..neocons have been selling to the American public since RAYGUN took office. Repeat, repeat, repeat... Whenever the Democrats disagree with their fantasy they are playing partisan politics. To the uninformed it is a line that works and there are a lot of them out there.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:54 amThat pesky constitution with it's unAmerican fourth amendment is all so quaint. We don't need no stinking constitution... just let the Neocons run the show and we'll all be safe.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:54 amThis is the result of kicking him to the curb in favour of a candidate who couldn’t beat him in an election.
Comment by Kilo
And another soldier dies today in Iraq, unnoticed by the likes of Kilo.
Have a happy Fourth, contemplating how, in seven short years, Bush has squandered the credibility of your country, your political party, and your ideology.
Congratulations; a real trifecta!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:54 amIt is way past time for LIEberman to resign from the Senate.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:55 am"Oh but don’t let that stop you calling your senator and asking them to “kick him to the curbâ€. Yeah, kick him out of the party he isn’t in."
Comment by Kilo — July 1, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Lieberman bills himself as "Independent Democrat."
July 1st, 2007 at 11:55 amKilo:
Why don't you think the Dems should strip Lieberman of his Homeland Security Chairmanship? KICK LIEBERMAN TO THE CURB!!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:56 amWhat could you possibly check out about FISA and not know that it was nothing more than a rubber stamp ?
Is that your definition of a great oversight apparatus for domestic spying is it ? One that approves every application they receive in secret ?
WTF would a bad one look like then ?
July 1st, 2007 at 11:57 amYep Kilo, Lieberman's election certainly was a parade of "Republican Integrity."
In its most base form. Be proud Kilo!
July 1st, 2007 at 11:58 amFor the record, every Coalition death is a tragedy -- thank God we've not had mass casualties -- I'm the one that had to correct the record last night about Australia losing soldiers on another thread.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:59 amOK, Joe, we get it -- you're "not afraid to criticize your own party". You're a "courageous independent politician". You're a "douche-bag". We get it.
Sure, Americans are tired of party politicians defending their party no matter what they do. But I don't think a politician who criticizes his party no matter they do is quite what we're looking for, either.
What a twit.
July 1st, 2007 at 11:59 amI MISS Jimbo DUDE. Jimbo DUDE WHERE HAVE YOU GONE, DUDE?
DUDE, I MISS YOUR ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY AND TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.
DUDE, FUGGETABOUDIT. Jimbo DUDE SPEAKS TRUTH.
DUDE, WE NEED YOU HERE TO REMIND US ABOUD ALL THE CORRUPTION IN HIGH PLACES, DUDE, AND HOW WE GET BETTER SERVICE AT A NATHAN'S CONEY ISLAND STAND THAN WE DO FROM OUR GOV'T OFFICIALS, DUDE.
FUGGETABOUDIT, DUDE.
Jimbo DUDE, PLEASE COME BACK!!
WE MISS YOUR ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY AND TRUTH, DUDE.
DON'T FUGGETABOUDUS, Jimbo DUDE.
ROCK ON DUDES AND DUDETTES!!
Yonkers DUDE
July 1st, 2007 at 11:59 am"What could you possibly check out about FISA and not know that it was nothing more than a rubber stamp ?"
Which renders Bush's claims of exigency into the realms of the absurd.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:00 pmWell, he is not an embarrassment to the Dems. He ain’t one anymore. All the more reason why he should be stripped of the power he holds. I don’t understand why this has not been done. What would be the negative cost of kicking him to the curb? That he will vote with the Rethugs?
Comment by Merlin — July 1, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Please correct me, Merlin, if I'm mistaken, but don't the Republicans currently have 49 seats? (Even with the late Sen Thomas replaced.) If they formally kick Joe out, he'll join the Republicans, giving them 50 seats and they'll claim control since the "President of the Senate" (and only the Senate, not the country) would give them the tie-breaker.
Once the Democrats can get 51 seats without him, it will be safe to kick him under the subway.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:00 pm"For the record, every Coalition death is a tragedy — thank God we’ve not had mass casualties —
And good morning to you, too, Jake.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pmhttp://icasualties.org/oif/PieCountry.aspx
July 1st, 2007 at 12:01 pmWhat could you possibly check out about FISA and not know that it was nothing more than a rubber stamp ?
Is that your definition of a great oversight apparatus for domestic spying is it ? One that approves every application they receive in secret ?
WTF would a bad one look like then ?
Comment by Kilo — July 1, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Given this assessment, can you explain Bush's need to circumvent FISA?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:02 pm#19 Comment by Kilo — July 1, 2007 @ 11:52 am
Very weak response Kilo. You need to work on your troll skills. Oh, and wipe that wet crap off behind your ears.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:03 pmShorter Lieberwhore:
Don't be stupid, be a smarty -
July 1st, 2007 at 12:03 pmCome and join the Nazi Party!
I hope Lieberman realizes that is the plan sometime BEFORE the next election.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:04 pm"Once the Democrats can get 51 seats without him, it will be safe to kick him under the subway."
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Look at his record, Wayne. He votes repub more often than dem, and the fastest way to get him defeated is to cut off the largesse to his constituents. They know which way the political pig is cooked.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:04 pmdave TM:
You are claiming that a JEW wants to join the NAZI Party?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:05 pmJoseph Lieberman is bright enough to realize that it is the Patriot Act and the Bush Administration that has kept us on the offense against the terrorists.
London has no Patriot Act and thus is getting pounded into oblivion by the Muslims.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:06 pmPLEASE, KICK LIEBERMAN TO THE CURB! Don't just post about here, write your Congressman today! Everyone should also call / e-mail Lieberman's office directly and strongly (curse words would be best) express your displeasure:
(202) 224-4041
http://lieberman.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm?regarding=issue
July 1st, 2007 at 12:08 pmPlease correct me, Merlin, if I’m mistaken, but don’t the Republicans currently have 49 seats? (Even with the late Sen Thomas replaced.) If they formally kick Joe out, he’ll join the Republicans, giving them 50 seats and they’ll claim control since the “President of the Senate†(and only the Senate, not the country) would give them the tie-breaker.
Once the Democrats can get 51 seats without him, it will be safe to kick him under the subway.
Harry Reid wants his Majority Leader salary. He's not going to give that up by booting Lieberman.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:08 pm"BE AFRAID!!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!!! America has never dealt with "terrorism" before. People might blow you up. "
The truth is America has dealt with "terrorism" before and will until the end of time, because there are groups of people out there that we have really pissed off. Not because of our "freedoms" but because of our interference in THEIR governments, because of our greed in manipulating THEIR oil for the last 50 or 60 years, and for generally being assholes for the past 6 years and treating other people and nations as if they didn't count and weren't worth respecting.
If you treat people like that Joe, then you should be afraid.
You notice that in the first bombing of the World Trade Center, Clinton didn't use those attacks to tear down the American constitution or to scare people into stupidity. He just dealt with the problem!!!!! All of those people are in prison, duly dealt with by the laws of this land!!!! And he didn't take away anyones constitutional rights or tell us that we have to let the president or the vice president to do whatever they want with no oversight.
Shame on you Joe. You would make the founding fathers shake their heads in shame. They had more to fear than you ever will, and they faced that fear and stood strong. You just piss yourself and cry for Daddy to save you.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:09 pmLondon has no Patriot Act and thus is getting pounded into oblivion by the Muslims.
Comment by i'm12
Two failed car bombs is "pounded into oblivion"? And yet they survived the Blitz and, more recently, attacks by the IRA which actually blew up. How would a Patriot Act help, idiot?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:09 pmOr, Fax LIEberman at (202) 224-9750
July 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmFor TTY Call 711
Will someone shut that little freak up already? Why is he still holding his seniority on Democratic committee? Kick him off. He is a creep. He is even worse than Zell Miller.
By the way, I certainly would like to see which Republican nominee has any foreign affairs' experience. Romney? None. Giuliani? None. McCain? Some.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmdo not confuse the FISA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act_of_1978 with Bush's illegal spying program http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/feature/2005/12/20/spying/index.html. check it out...
July 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmThat's an awesome post, except that:
1. It's not my party
2. It's not my ideology
3. It's your credibility not mine, and
4. The 4th of July means nothing to me.
Apart from that it was brilliant.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:11 pmm12:
We need to contact all the other Democratic Senators to put pressure on Reid to do the RIGHT THING!! KICK LIEBERMAN TO THE CURB!!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:11 pm"London has no Patriot Act and thus is getting pounded into oblivion by the Muslims."
Comment by m12 — July 1, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
"...pounded into oblivion..." ?! You've got to be joking!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:12 pmDon’t just post about here, write your Congressman to KICK LIEBERMAN TO THE CURB! Everyone should also call on Monday / e-mail Lieberman’s office directly and strongly (curse words would be best) express your displeasure:
(202) 224-4041
http://lieberman.senate.gov/ contact/ index.cfm?regarding=issue
Or, Fax LIEberman TODAY at (202) 224-9750
July 1st, 2007 at 12:14 pmFor TTY Call 711
m12 -->
Nice try at spinning this, sweetpea. The Brits seem to have things well in hand. The round up of those involved is proceeding swiftly while GDumbya has "forgotten" about Osama and bogged down in the bungled occupation that he wrongly invaded because of "faulty intelligence" in the first place.
I don't think I would be so smug if I were you, babycakes.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:15 pm#44
You forgot the train bombings?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:15 pmYeah ? And how's that workin out for ya ?
It's almost as though adding that word doesn't actually mean anything for the senator identified in the election, senate, etc as an independent, eh.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:16 pmLieberman claimed, “We’re at a partisan gridlock over the question of whether the American government can listen into conversations or follow email trails of non-American citizens.â€
What a f n liar and he doesn't get called on that. When you let false claims go unchallenged that you know in fact to be false (a lie), you are essentially agreeing with the the claim. shame on the "liberal media" for not standing up for truth in reporting and interviews. LIEberman can make all the false accusations he wants but if the media doesn't call him on it, then his lies become truth in the minds of those who don't bother to check out the facts on their own. That is exactly why 40% of Americans STILL believe that the terrorists on 9/11 were from Iraq or that WMD's were found, or that Saddam directly planned 9/11. Our media is in a sad state.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:16 pmHe does realise that the bombs were detected because the first car was illegally parked and the cop noticed it through the windshield doesn't he?
Zero tolerance on parking violations is more likely to stop this sort of thing in the future, then more spying on people who aren't terrorists.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:17 pm"London has no Patriot Act and thus is getting pounded into oblivion by the Muslims.
Comment by i’m12"
Yeah, moron! I guess that's why the IRA for many years made a habit of placing bombs in crowded department stores...
July 1st, 2007 at 12:17 pm"The surge is working". Show us proofs. Saying so does not make it so.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:18 pmHere is Traitor Joe LIEberman's fax number in DC: 202-224-9750. Send him letters demanding that he resign from the Senate in disgrace.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:20 pmHarry Reid wants his Majority Leader salary. He’s not going to give that up by booting Lieberman
The Rule under which the present Senate is organized, including committee representation, etc, is good till the new Senate is sworn in post-2008. The Rule adopted after the post-2006 election is not affected, unlike the Rule under which the Senate was organized post-2000, by defections, a la Jeffords. Lieberman knows this, because he voted for the Rule.
The Democrats would not lose the powers of the majority even if Lieberman jumped, nor would the Republicans take control of the Senate.
He's a eunuch.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:21 pmYou forgot the train bombings?
Comment by m12
It still doesn't meet the criteria for "pounding into oblivion," asswipe.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:22 pm#32 Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Lieberman bills himself as “Independent Democrat.â€
And I call myself Merlin. Thing is I know I am not really Merlin.
#32
If they formally kick Joe out, he’ll join the Republicans, giving them 50 seats and they’ll claim control since the “President of the Senate†(and only the Senate, not the country) would give them the tie-breaker.
Sounds reasonable to me. Really hadn't thought about it that way. Thanks for the thought. So that means the Dems are being held hostage by a thug. Pragmatically, the extortion must be paid until his temporary "power" is gone in 2008. Selling your soul for survival is painful, to say the least. Even if it is necessary and temporary.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmKicking Lieberman to the curb sounds nice. The downside is the Democrats lose control of Senate Committees.
The upside is Democrats no longer have a closet Republican in their caucus. (Anybody here not think Lieberman doesn't tell Republicans what goes on behind closed doors in Democratic caucuses? - and yes, that's a correct use of a double negative)
Another upside: the voters of Connecticut will have to face the reality that they elected a Republican/
And the country and world will learn even more how it is the Republicans who have created the gridlock in the Senate.
There is a wild card or two in this equation. One or two Republican Senators are sounding more mainstream than the Republican Party. What if they became Independent and caucused with the Democrats?
Lieberman could then be kicked to the curb without incurring the downside.
So, instead of focusing your thoughts on Boltin' Joe Lieberman, you might want to think about encouraging a few Republican Senators to become Independent.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmBy the way, I certainly would like to see which Republican nominee has any foreign affairs’ experience. Romney? None. Giuliani? None. McCain? Some.
Comment by Devil's Advocate — July 1, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
Maybe some of the women employed by the D.C. madam were here on visas. That would give them some "foreign affairs" experiences if they utilized their services!
July 1st, 2007 at 12:26 pmYeah that blanket 24/7 surveillence of all citizens tracking their movements aiding the domestic intelligence agency who's primary job is to spy on it's own citizens really has worked out well hasn't it ?
Indeed.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:28 pm1. It’s not my party
2. It’s not my ideology
3. It’s your credibility not mine, and
4. The 4th of July means nothing to me.
Comment by Kilo — July 1, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
OK Trollie, then tell me what your party & ideology are. Or don't you have the guts to commit your self.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:29 pmComment by Davis X. Machin — July 1, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
Could you post a link? I would love to read the original source for your point.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:30 pmWell probably not at all if it is entirely redundant.
The most common criticism of the PATRIOT Act is that it turns the type of surveillence reserved for foreign targets (by the CIA) against US citizens.
The UK has it's own version of the CIA and another one dedicated entirely to this type of domestic activity.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:33 pmWTF would they do with a PATRIOT act ? Use it as a paperweight ?
Yet with all that, it was ordinary law enforcement which foiled this plot. Things like the PATRIOT Act merely make it easier for those in power to spy on their political opponents.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:35 pm#63 Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 1, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
... you might want to think about encouraging a few Republican Senators to become Independent.
Great positive approach...if there was enough time for it. We will have the election before anything like that will happen and the idea will be moot. Those that might, are weak and will probably be replaced by Dems in '08.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pmThat’s an awesome post, except that:
1. It’s not my party
2. It’s not my ideology
3. It’s your credibility not mine, and
4. The 4th of July means nothing to me.
Apart from that it was brilliant.
Comment by Kilo
Better never let me catch you claiming to be any of the above, or you'll be eating these words every time you come here ...
So, you're not an American?
If it walks like a chickenhawk, and squawks like a chickenhawk - chances are very good, it's not a flounder...
July 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pm108th Congress organizing resolution in Senate referenced here, with links.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pmLIEBERMAN: Well, I’m talking about two things. The first is the so-called FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that was adopted in the ’70s. Technology has — both that used by the enemy, the terrorists, and that used by us has improved dramatically.
What kind of crazy , convoluted 'logic' is this ?
If technology has improved , why regress and break the foundation(s) of our Constitution , by spying illegally on anyone without warrants ?
Joe LIEberman is an embarrasment , and the people of CT should hang their collective heads in shame for returning this chump to the Senate.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:46 pmComment by Davis X. Machina — July 1, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Thanks for the link, Davis.
Then, understanding that the Senate Dems know this, I ask again:
"Well, he is not an embarrassment to the Dems. He ain’t one anymore. All the more reason why he should be stripped of the power he holds. I don’t understand why this has not been done. What would be the negative cost of kicking him to the curb? That he will vote with the Rethugs?"
What possible motive is there to keep this eunich in a position of power?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:52 pmWhen I saw his sad sack face and heard his whining words, I had to change the channel.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:52 pmLieberman is an opportunist, and an embarrassment for Connecticut voters who didn't believe their guy was a liar.
"Those things" apparently being a conservative republican from America.
Gee, do you reckon I'd stand out much if i did ?
Haven't you been listening to "troll alert" ? I'm apparently Swedish.
Terrific.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:52 pm... on another note (via C&L) :
Obstruct The Obstructionists
by digby
I know everyone is probably headed out for the holiday, but if you have time for one more thing, read this post by Robert Borosage of the Campaign For America's Future:
In its first 40 hours, the new majority of the House of Representatives kept their promise to voters and passed legislation—increasing the minimum wage for the first time in a decade, empowering Medicare to negotiate lower prices on drugs, cutting interest rates on student loans in half, revoking big oil subsidies and using the money to invest in renewable energy—that provided a down payment for a new direction for this country.
These bills are overwhelmingly popular, and are simply common sense reforms. Yet every one of them—and many more—got held up in the U.S. Senate.
Conservatives boast about the “success†of their strategy in discrediting the new majority. As Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott, R-Miss., put it, “the strategy of being obstructionist can work or fail. So far it’s working for us.â€
How is it working? It’s dragging the reputation of the Congress down to the level of the failed president. Conservatives lie in the road of progress and then complain that nothing is moving.
This values partisan posturing over reforms vital to the country. It must be challenged.
It’s time to take the gloves off.
The first step is to expose the obstruction to the American people. Let’s urge Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to force a real filibuster. Keep the bills on the floor and force vote after vote, exposing the obstructionists. We’ll organize in states across the country to insure that their constituents know exactly who is standing in the way of progress.
Campaign for America’s Future is creating a petition to Reid, urging him to expose the obstructionists. Please join the petition. Let’s insure that Americans are clear on who is pushing for change and who is standing in the way.
This is important for setting the terms of the debate as well as actually getting some of these initiatives off the ground. The congress is suffering in the polls because the Republicans are blocking any progress on issues that people care about. Now is the time to begin educating people about who is really responsible for this and it's going to take some drama. (Who knows when the next damsel in distress is going to hit the airwaves?)
I realize that the machinery is rusty and that it isn't easy with the Blue Dog/Lieberdem contingent. But the Democrats need to know that their voters have their backs on these issues. This is one way to do it.
The petition is here.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:53 pmComment by Davis X. Machina — July 1, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Thanks Dave. I guess I was wrong. And Merlin has a good point. Why keep him?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:54 pmI bet the Democrats in Connecticut who voted for Loserman in the last election, out of some kind of act of loyalty, really regret voting for that POS now.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:55 pmHe really is a disgusting, petty jerk.
I'd love to pick up the newspaper someday and read about him in legal trouble, worse than what Duke Cunningham went through.
oops! i clinked the wrong button, too soon!
i meant to condense that post - not that it really needed it...
here are links:
The petition is here.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:55 pmalso at the original thread:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/obstruct-obstructionists-by-digby-i.html
Comment by Kilo — July 1, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
The answer you give here is evasive. So I will ask you again about your previous post here:
1. It’s not my party
2. It’s not my ideology
3. It’s your credibility not mine, and
4. The 4th of July means nothing to me.
Comment by Kilo — July 1, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
OK Trollie, then tell me what your party & ideology are. Or don’t you have the guts to commit your self.
Comment by Merlin — July 1, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
July 1st, 2007 at 12:56 pmDid anyone ever figure out why Lieberman couldn't get that second car to go off?
July 1st, 2007 at 12:56 pmNo I believe it was an ambulance crew and a sheer accident in this case.
And it was that domestic spy agency that stopped the other 2 bombing plots, one of them involving more gas canisters and one involving 1300lb of fertilizer destined for a bomb.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:57 pmI believe LIEberman cheated in CT to get re-elected. There seemed to be discrepancies in the tabulation of votes in that state in 2006 election.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:58 pmWhen I saw his sad sack face and heard his whining words, I had to change the channel.
Lieberman is an opportunist, and an embarrassment for Connecticut voters who didn’t believe their guy was a liar.
Comment by Marie — July 1, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
I can only watch him on TV with the sound muted. Then I fill in the "Uhhhhhs..." that tend to creep into his public displays of neo-conservative blather.
While Ned Lamont wanted not only to end the war in Iraq but to change the way things were done inWashington. Joe not only wanted to push the war harder, he even defended the corrupt practice of "earmarking" by responding "Earmarks have been good for Connecticut" and promised even more because he knew how to work the system. A system his opponent wanted to help dismantle.
I wish the people of Connecticut had taken more time to think before they voted for him.
July 1st, 2007 at 12:59 pmhmmmm....I've read the 4th amendment, and I'm sure that Lieberman has done so as well.
He just chooses to ignore it so he can keep pushing for more and more power for him and his neo-con friends.
Of course the claim is if you haven't done anything, why should you care if you're being spied on, right?
Wrong.
Some reading on this:
July 1st, 2007 at 1:03 pm"If You Aren't Guilty, What Are Your Afraid Of?"
http://www.populistamerica.com/if_you_aren_t_guilty__what_are_you_afraid_of
He's Elmer Fudd in a suit.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:03 pmJust think, if the election hadn't been rigged in 2000, Lieberman would be Vice President right now.
Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:07 pmNeither Liberman nor Congress get it.
Americans do not trust their own government. And especially given the past seven years of decreasing American privacy and the corruption involved in that, rightly so.
Americans are already watched more than they think they are.
You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:11 pmBARTLEBEE at 88... in my fantasy Gore presidency, he fired Holy Joe from the re-election ticket, in 2004! :-)
July 1st, 2007 at 1:11 pmBARTLEBEE > If Bush had not cheated in 2000, and Gore had become president, then I would have hoped he would have dumped LIEberman after he found out Joe is a traitor.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:12 pmOn organizing resolutions, majority-minority leaders, etc. the last word is probably here, a magisterial article by Richard K. Newman.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:13 pmhe's a disgrace.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:13 pmwow
July 1st, 2007 at 1:16 pmJust think, if the election hadn’t been rigged in 2000, Lieberman would be Vice President right now.
Wouldn’t that be a kick in the pants?
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 1, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
It'd be funny as hell ; with Gore sending him off to not be a nuisance , like Shrub1 did with Dan Quayle......
July 1st, 2007 at 1:16 pmIf Bush had not cheated in 2000, and Gore had become president, then I would have hoped he would have dumped LIEberman after he found out Joe is a traitor.
Comment by Jay Randal — July 1, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Or at least if because of his snibbling whiny voice.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:19 pmThe Brits were INCREDIBLY LUCKY hundreds weren't killed or maimed. This was a FAILURE by the British secret service, which is badly undermanned. Terrorism expert Steve Emerson said four or five thousand more agents are needed in the UK because there are too many home-grown radicals running around England's largest cities plotting to do harm.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:22 pmWayne
If they formally kick Joe out, he’ll join the Republicans, giving them 50 seats and they’ll claim control since the “President of the Senate†(and only the Senate, not the country) would give them the tie-breaker.
He already is doing that. We can have a better Chairman of Senate Homeland security; Why let LIEberman blackmail the Dems when he is already voting Repub for the most part. He needs to be marginalized by whatever means available.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:25 pmComment by Davis X. Machina — July 1, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Thanks again, Davis. This is why I come here!
July 1st, 2007 at 1:26 pmJose Chung > that would turn the UK into a police state. The attack at Glasgow airport yesterday was pathetic. Since you are an Oriental guy, if Chung is oriental name, would you please check out the Daily Mail article from yesterday. It has a pic of one of the suspects from the rear showing his entire body. He looks to be Chinese or Korean > would you give us your opinion?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:29 pmHey Jose Chump
Steve Emerson is an INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST , who has never worked for US intelligence , nor has ever served in the military ; that isn't the makings of an "expert" on terrorism.
He's also and anti-Arab/anti-Muslim dip and a Cancervative ; not exactly something to brag about......
July 1st, 2007 at 1:33 pm"if Chung is oriental name"
Jay, "Jose Chung" is the name of a character in a wonderful episode of the X-Files, called "Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space'". The part was played by the inimitable Charles Nelson Reilly.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:39 pmWHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT JEW LIEberman THINKS?!
July 1st, 2007 at 1:39 pmHas Lieberman voted with the Democrats on anything of any significance since he was re-elected as an independent but pledged to caucus with them?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:40 pmEvery major IRA bombing in England and Northern Ireland has had the fingerprints of the British government and the FRU all over it.
Starting from at least the 1980's, SAS and British military intelligence agents were routinely ordered to embed themselves within violent branches of the IRA and aid terrorists in carrying out attacks. How do we know this happened? Because one of the individuals who was ordered to do so, Kevin Fulton, blew the whistle on the fact that he was told he had the Prime Minister's blessing to aid terrorists in bomb making and political assassinations.
In addition, mirroring the backdrop of the infiltration of the alleged liquid bomb plot, the August 15th 1998 Omagh bombing was allowed to proceed despite the fact that MI5 had fully infiltrated the Real IRA terror cell, knew the date of the bombing, and had tracked the terrorists' vehicle as it was driven to the bomb site. Again, in this case MI5 had one of their own agents within the bomb squad itself. In this instance, the car bombing went forward and 29 people, including two babies and nine children, were ripped apart as they shopped in a quiet market street.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:40 pmOK Jane LOL > I do not watch the X-Files. I am just asking people of Oriental background to check out the pic of one of the suspects in the Glasgow airport incident. He is shown from the rear and appears to be oriental in build and complexion, so just wanting an opinion.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:42 pmThe FISA act may have been passed in the 70's--but it's been modified and amended since--most recently by the PATRIOT act.
At that time, they could have gotten--and did--any updating and modificatiom they asked for. They brought FISA into the post 9/11 world--and proceeded to ignore the law.
BREAK the law.
Why did they break it when they had just modified it?
There's only one answer that I can see: that they were snooping on people that even the FISA court would not okay.
Like John Kerry.
Like The Democratic National Committee.
Like members of Congress.
Like Jimmy Carter. Like Bill Clinton. Like Keith Olbermann.
Like the FISA court justices themselves.
No?
July 1st, 2007 at 1:42 pmWhen Lieberman is arguing for warrantless wiretapping, he's not arguing for spying on ABSOLUTELY ANYBODY.
Without a warrant system, Mark Foley could have talked to an NSA shift supervisor in a DC bar and gotten wiretaps on pages.
No?
He's a good Republican, and without warrants, who's going to know? A couple of thou, and everybody's happy.
No?
Explain who's going to stop it, Joe.
Joe Liberman is to the democratic party what Susan Collins is to the GOP, a liability or a charade.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:44 pmHoly smokes? Who uses the phrase "Oreintal" in the 2007? The last time I heard that was in the 70's when my great grandfather was talking about Charlie Chan movies.
-GSD
July 1st, 2007 at 1:46 pmLieberman’s propaganda knows no bounds
By: John Amato @ 10:17 AM - PDT
Why does THIS WEEK not have at least some semblance of balance from its guests today? Chertoff and Lieberman were the only people on except the panel and Stephanopoulos does not hold anything Lieberman says up to scrutiny. We’re all Nazi appeasers in Lieberman’s world. He uses the UK plot to push for more surveillance and the Surge is working to him just fine even though it’s not to US commanders. And when September comes, it all depends on what Patraeus says and he still won’t really care. It’s Iraq for ever!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/01/liebermans-propaganda-knows-no-bounds/
a good list there... check it out...
July 1st, 2007 at 1:48 pmGSD > Oriental is the proper word to use to denote anyone from the Orient part of the world as opposed to the rest of Asia.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:49 pmLieberman..move to Israel...that seems to be you # 1 priority.Leave protecting Americans to the people that really care about them.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:52 pmWhy doesn't he just join the Nazi Party? It's where he belongs.
July 1st, 2007 at 1:55 pm#108 Joe Liberman is to the democratic party what Susan Collins is to the GOP, a liability or a charade.
Comment by the fly-manish boy
No, Joe is to the NEOCON party what Katherine Harris and Ann Coultergeist is to the GOP. And the Repugs are SOOOO proud of those three. scumbags.
He is the Senator for the 51st state of Isreal. Makes one wonder what is in the Connecticut water supply; Mannischevitz???
July 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pm"related to Bush’s NSA warrantless wiretapping program"
And just how does TP know they were warrantless?
July 1st, 2007 at 2:15 pmWhat are you guys still doing here complaining about LIEberman -- I posted his contact info above -- you should also be contacting all the Democratic Senators to strip LIEberman of his Homeland Security Chairmanship. Also, regarding Chief Justice Roberts' confirmation, this morning on "Meet the Press" Senator Leahy REFUSED to say he regretted his vote.
KICK LEAHY AND LIEBERMAN TO THE CURB!!
July 1st, 2007 at 2:18 pm#115 - Because Dubya, Tony Snow and Gonzo have said so in the past.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:18 pmIncredible article on the existentialist cowboy website is here:
along with the evidence of the 2000 repugnican coup d'etat is a video that is just frightening. Any trolls care to look into the face of the party/agenda you are supporting, or maybe you can't handle the truth?
The video I am referring to is just beneath the Thomas Jefferson quote from the Declaration of Independence...just in time for the 4th of July!
July 1st, 2007 at 2:21 pmKICK LEAHY AND LIEBERMAN TO THE CURB!!
If Reid and Pelosi won't impeach Bush and Cheney, KICK REID AND PELOSI TO THE CURB TOO!!
July 1st, 2007 at 2:23 pmI guess I don't know how to properly include a hyperlink.
Here's the text link.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:23 pmhttp://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2007/07/bush-crimes-that-will-get-him-impeached.html
Jake;
July 1st, 2007 at 2:30 pmI agree. You must not be the same Jake I have seen posting nonsense on these pages.
I would add throw out all the crooks, of whatever party. We need peoples' representatives, not corporate ones.
"along with the evidence of the 2000 repugnican coup d’etat
Comment by funky p — July 1, 2007"
What coup d'etat are you referring to?
July 1st, 2007 at 2:30 pm"impeach Bush and Cheney
Comment by Jake — July 1, 2007"
On what grounds?
July 1st, 2007 at 2:31 pm"Because Dubya, Tony Snow and Gonzo have said so in the past.
Comment by upside00 — July 1, 2007"
Really? Provide a quote?
July 1st, 2007 at 2:32 pmJust how much money is Joe being paid for neocon thoughts? Must be millions and millions! Or are they blackmailing him?
It creates an uneasy feeling amongst the citizens, as to why people who ordinarily are on the other side, have switched sides. It makes it seem OK for us to express opposite viewpoints, right or wrong, once you do it, then there is no problem doing it again and again.
Say one thing one day, then the opposite the next day. And if you have bought into their Christian bullshit, then it's okay anyway to have different views, whatever view fits the situation. Then deny it the next day...
As we go full into Marshal Law/Police State, look for more and more of US politicians to make such statements, many of whom simply are being blackmailed.
If you believe the Terror stories and 911 and all the horrible other things going on right now, then go back to watching your TV and drinking another six pack! Maybe even buy some more plastic flags made by Chinese slaves to display on your truck, show people you are a Patriotic American and all Muslims are terrorist and need to be wiped off the earth!
Just like your President, Israel and the other nocons want you to believe!
The truth hurts, and we are slowly seeing what is really going on here in the US....Just study what happened in Germany in the 1930's, as we are almost duplicating it here,now!!
And the sheeple just say "YEA".
July 1st, 2007 at 2:33 pmGawd, I wish that the Democrats could Kick LIEberman to the curb. He is an embarrassment to the Democratic party.
One more time with feeling: LIEberman is not a Democrat. He's an Independent!
The Democratic voters in Connecticut did kick him to the curb.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:38 pmWhat is proves is that EVEN with a police state in the UK, you can't stop somebody from planting a bomb, whether it's from radicals or some intelligence agency.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:40 pmBrown takes office. Promises to change course.
I wondered abouit that. I did blog this morning that this group sounded only slightly more competent than those idiots who wanted to take out the Brooklyn Bridge with a bunch of Bic lighters.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:41 pmMichael
July 1st, 2007 at 2:43 pmI gave a link to the article and video,: that coup d'etat
Yes Joe, spy on us.
Why does Joe hate our freedoms?
Does he really think making America into Israel will be good for the world?
July 1st, 2007 at 2:44 pm“impeach Bush and Cheney
Comment by Jake — July 1, 2007″
On what grounds?
Comment by michael — July 1, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
See previously mentioned link
July 1st, 2007 at 2:46 pm#124 Read this for starters: "The practice of so-called warrantless wiretapping came to light after the New York Times reported that the president had authorised the agency to intercept communications inside the US.
Some telecom firms, including AT&T, had given the NSA direct access to their databases of communications records. This allows spies to see data on who customers had called or emailed. In its lawsuit (filed Tuesday 31 January), the EFF alleges that AT&T, in addition to allowing unlawful wiretaps, gave the government "unfettered access" to its over 300 terabyte "Daytona" database of caller information. This AT&T collaboration with the NSA breached longstanding communications privacy laws." By John Leyden → Published Wednesday 1st February, 2006 The Register
July 1st, 2007 at 2:50 pmI take it Michael either doesn't live in the US, is a paid BushCo troll or he cares less about his rights and those of the rest of us citizens of the US. I was raised to believe in the Constitution and still do, unlike most of the Trolls here.
July 1st, 2007 at 2:52 pmCan we "listen into conversations or follow email trails" between Lieberman and Bush too?
The love letters would like make very entertaining reading.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:02 pmThese same people who say if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, are unwilling to show us their secrets.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:15 pmLIEberman is just a full out liar and dissembler. There is no reason to listen to him or to rebut him ever about anything. There is only reason to ridicule him and work to eliminate any influence he has in the government and in the media.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:15 pm.
Wonder why Hanna-Barbera doesn't bring copyright violation charges against Joe for the use of the Deputy Dawg impression. Look at that picture above, a spitting image!
July 1st, 2007 at 3:22 pmIt seems we can pretty much expect Lieberman to come out with some completely whacko statement every week or so. This guy was clearly abducted by aliens and re-programmed: how else to explain his insanity.
And yet, I've met people who consider him on of their heroes! Which makes you wonder just how widespread the alien abduction was?
Why does Lieberman remind me of John McCain?
It's all about employing fear tactics to justify continued loss of our civil liberties. In that regard, he could easily be a central character in Bush's administration.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:28 pmLieberman is looking for any opporunity to help the PNAC plan put to work.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:30 pm“London has no Patriot Act and thus is getting pounded into oblivion by the Muslims.
Comment by i’m12″
Great Britain has Aliens Act, Official Secrets Acts, Defence of the Realm Acts, and The Treasonable and Seditious Practices and the Seditious Meetings Act that perform the functions addressed by the policies of the Patriot Act and then some. London is situated in Great Britain. So, I would guess, London is covered as well.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:31 pm"#108 Joe Liberman is to the democratic party what Susan Collins is to the GOP, a liability or a charade."
Comment by the fly-manish boy
"No, Joe is to the NEOCON party what Katherine Harris and Ann Coultergeist is to the GOP. And the Repugs are SOOOO proud of those three. scumbags."
"He is the Senator for the 51st state of Isreal. Makes one wonder what is in the Connecticut water supply; Mannischevitz???"
Comment by upside00 — July 1, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Fly-manish boy has a good point, as Lieberman was actually doing a fundraiser for Sue Collins recently. But upside00 hit the bulls-eye. Exactamundo!
July 1st, 2007 at 3:40 pmJane, he is too easy of a target to not hit him square in that droopy kisser of his!!!
July 1st, 2007 at 3:43 pm“London has no Patriot Act and thus is getting pounded into oblivion by the Muslims.
Comment by i’m12″
Did I miss something? How did London get punded into oblivion?? I would say you would be correct if you were talking about WWII.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:47 pm"Jane, he is too easy of a target to not hit him square in that droopy kisser of his!!!"
Comment by upside00 — July 1, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Not to mention all of the "face time" he's been getting lately. Jebus, I just can't look at him or listen to him anymore.
July 1st, 2007 at 3:58 pmDid I miss something? How did London get punded into oblivion?? I would say you would be correct if you were talking about WWII.
Comment by upside00 — July 1, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Obviously, Hitler was a Muslem. That would explain his fanatic behavior. Hmm, is W a closet Muslem? Can't be - Muslems do not kill Muslems, look at the situation in the West Bank and Gaza and that in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as his hatred of the Jews.
July 1st, 2007 at 4:00 pmJoe LIEberman (R-Israel) is really not useful in this country anymore. He needs to move to his home district -- Israel!!
There is not a lesser American patriot in the Senate than this useless traitor!! He is an enemy of this democracy and seeks to bring "outside" influence to our political process.
I had no idea CT was a part of Israel...who knew??
July 1st, 2007 at 4:00 pmSend the wrong copy on post 145.
Should read:
Did I miss something? How did London get punded into oblivion?? I would say you would be correct if you were talking about WWII.
Comment by upside00 — July 1, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Obviously, Hitler was a Muslem. That would explain his fanatic behavior. Hmm, is W a closet Muslem? Can’t be - Muslems do not kill Muslems, look at the situation in the West Bank and Gaza and that in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as his hatred of the Jews (Is one out of five good enough?).
Comment by WaltTheMan — July 1, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
July 1st, 2007 at 4:06 pmLiberman is a fair and balanced reasonable person, something you wild eyed libbies could learn about.
July 1st, 2007 at 4:07 pm"Wanker of the Day
Joe Lieberman"
Isn't he in line for some sort of lifetime achievment award here?
JC
July 1st, 2007 at 4:12 pmGreat Britain has Aliens Act, Official Secrets Acts, Defence of the Realm Acts, and The Treasonable and Seditious Practices and the Seditious Meetings Act that perform the functions addressed by the policies of the Patriot Act and then some. London is situated in Great Britain. So, I would guess, London is covered as well.
Comment by WaltTheMan — July 1, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Yeah, but, see they don't have anything called the PATRIOT ACT. And since the Patriot Act has magical powers that stop terrorists by virtue of its great name, that's why Great Britain is getting "pounded into oblivion" according to He's12. Because they have all these other laws that you mentioned, but not one of them has "Patriot" in the title.
The fact that BushCo tried to take credit for the British police foiling the airliner plot a while back (another example of good police work as opposed to a domestic spy program) means nothing to He's12.
The fact that plots like these demonstrate the idiocy of thinking that "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" is completely lost on simple-minded trolls like He's12.
July 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pm"Liberman is a fair and balanced reasonable person, something you wild eyed libbies could learn about."
In other words, Lieberman is a neocon. Anyone who uses the term "you wild-eyed libbies" cannot conceive of a "reasonable" liberal, and of course, "fair and balanced" has become a synonym for "right-wing propaganda".
July 1st, 2007 at 4:16 pmComment by spit take — July 1, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Excellent!
July 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmDear Usa Freedom Forver,
Are you Usa the terrorist (like Usa Al'Salami) or do you just not have enough ph*cking respect for this great country to capitalize ALL of the letters in USA??
Terrorist or disrepectful? Which is it??
TROLL!!!
July 1st, 2007 at 4:20 pmUsa,
You could also just choose
1) Stupid!!!
July 1st, 2007 at 4:24 pm"What would be the negative cost of kicking him to the curb? "
The problem is that if LIEberman becomes a Republican, the Republican party technically will be in control since it will be 49-50. Even though Bernie Sanders votes with the Democrats, he isn't one. It would also throw a lot of power to Chaney since there might be a lot of 50/50 votes. LIEberman still does occasionally vote with the Democrats. But, I don't think it is enough to justify keeping him in the Democratic party. I think the Democrats should kick him out, take away his chairmanship of Homeland Security and let the chips lie where they may. LIEberman will have NO power on the Republican side of the table so if the Democrats kick him out of their caucus and off his committee, he will be clearly diminished.
July 1st, 2007 at 4:28 pmComment by spit take — July 1, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Excellent!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
I agree...spot on!!!
July 1st, 2007 at 4:28 pmComment by spit take — July 1, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Excellent!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 1, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
I agree…spot on!!!
Comment by dixie blood — July 1, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
Me, three!
July 1st, 2007 at 4:32 pmThe sad thing is that he even needs an "excuse" in the first place.
If the Lefties weren't such Islamophiles, we would already have a better spy program.
A question to any Lefty who is honest:
Why do love Muslims, but hate America?
July 1st, 2007 at 4:33 pmJuly 1, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
TROLL ALERT!!!
IGNORE!!
July 1st, 2007 at 4:36 pmIGNORE!!
IGNORE!!
IGNORE!!
Thank you very much for that link.
This means Lieberman's threats to switch caucuses are more like the chest thumping by "professional" wrestlers than anything which would actually change the balance of power in Congress.
Lieberman is part of the circus act, and we (the American public) are being played.
July 1st, 2007 at 4:41 pmDixie,
He is a troll, but he is our harmless troll. Luckily his past incarnations as well as his current posts prove his paranoia and lack of intelligence.
July 1st, 2007 at 4:42 pmComment by upside00 — July 1, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
So, there's no fire and the smoke is a fart he lite up...
I'm turning off the alarm...
He/she seems to be very much like a little girl screaming at a spider in the parlor...Islomo...Islomo...Islomo...stomp on it daddy!!!
I've never seen a more paranoid, completely frightened out of their mind troll here ever...
July 1st, 2007 at 4:58 pmHope all you in Conn. that voted for this piece of crap are proud of your vote ?
July 1st, 2007 at 5:03 pmAnd folks don't forget the dems who went down to Conn to campaign for this piece of shit(Barbara Boxer comes to mind)
Joe LIEberman (R-Israel) is really not useful in this country anymore. He needs to move to his home district — Israel!!
I hate Lieberman's guts, but your comment is a load of crap.
July 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pmNo one please discuss anything else with Mr. President until he can give a definition of Wayne's word ‘acerebralist’.
Check the Leahy thread above this one to see why.
Thanks
:D
July 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pmBefore we give the USGovt more power to abuse us, let's find out how the illegally captured information was used in other programs to target law abiding citizens:
July 1st, 2007 at 5:16 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/01/leahy-if-bush-and-cheney-dont-cooperate-with-subpoenas-he-will-push-to-find-them-in-contempt-of-congress/#comment-75549
I hate Lieberman’s guts, but your comment is a load of crap.
Comment by Rich — July 1, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Just put up one post...link...that shows that LIEberman did NOT take a PRO ISRAEL POSITION SINCE HE'S BEEN IN OFFICE...ANYWHERE ON EARTH...USING ANY KIND OF TIME-MACHINE YOUR CHOOSE...JUST ONE!!!
HE HATES AMERICA!!!! HE LOVES ISRAEL!!!
PROVE ME WRONG!!!
just one little...teeny...tiny...link..you...know...like...a...fact....
!!!!!!!!
July 1st, 2007 at 5:26 pmThe longer Congress avoids impeachment, the more nuts like Liberman -- despite the outrage over the illegal NSA spying -- will push for doing more illegal things.
Of course impeachment is 'worth it' -- it will help drown out this non-sense momentum of "continue with the illegal activity."
It's not just about impeachment. It's about reversing the drivel from Lieberman's mouth.
July 1st, 2007 at 5:48 pmLike it or not, London *did* foil the bombings and has strong leads on apprehension BECAUSE OF SURVEILANCE.
Arguing about a loss of civil liberties is important (vitally important) but let's not forget about how much ass London just kicked. They stopped the hardest kind of attack to stop: the concealed truck bomb.
July 1st, 2007 at 5:50 pmIt begins.
July 1st, 2007 at 5:55 pmKos has a correction for Lieberman:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/1/12729/08767
Increased Government surveillance is useless. It's the people's inclination to take action, not the Government illegal activity, that is making this happen. The US Government's barbarity is inspiring others to continue what was the pretext for the original US government abuses and violations.
Lieberman's argument is flawed, based on a false premise, and would ask that we reward illegality and incompetence with less oversight, and more discretion to violate the law. This is the same circular thinking which the Administration exploited in teh wake of 9-11 to justify ignoring Geneva.
No, David Addington, your arrogance has not made us safer. Congratualtolins on being a target for a war crimes prsoecution and Congressional subpenas, along with Brad Berenson of Sidley Austin, former White House Counsel: You're targets of this investigation.
July 1st, 2007 at 5:59 pmLIE-berman is a mutt.
Does he have an example from any point in history, from the beginning of time through today, where any of his ideas have actually worked.
Does he really think that spying on Americans helps Britain? or helps the US? all it does is make him another knee-jerk reactionary to fear. The same fear that Dubya has used so well against the NASCAR & Wal*Mart crowd. Those people are pawns. They re-elected Dubya & they deserve everything they get. That is to say if they are even paying enough attention to ever realize what it is that they got. Which is to say some sort of Fallen Roman Empire/Nazi/Fascism/Gulag/Bush nation mix.
Nauseating.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:00 pmpopo,
your argument is flawed. See the Kos link above at 171.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:01 pmRemember people and never forget this that everyone weve killed in Iraq is Al Qaeda and make sure your door is locked because more than likely the terrorists are on the other side of it and want to come inside, rape, and mutilate your family, and leave all of you for dead. Welcome to 1984 (in 2007) and thus the creed of the scum-of-the-earth totalitarian imperialists, also called neoconservatives, who have robbed a former decent party-the Republicans. I cant imagine what Goldwater or Reagan would think if they knew their party of limited government and personal freedom got hijacked by these traitors. The only reason the Democrats have had any success whatsoever is that it is so easy to denounce the neocons because of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Guantanamo Bay, secret CIA prisons, Extraordinary Rendition, Military Commissions Act, unncessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and our overwhelming Empire-like foreign interventionist. This has made us all less safe, cost the U.S. taxpayer billions, reduced our reputation around the world to a mear rubble, and cost us millions of possible dfollars being spent by possible tourists.
After growing up a Republican I have proudly left the party due to my education and knowledge of the message of liberty and am now a vocal member of the true party of limited government, free markets, indidiual freedom, and foreign non-internentionism (minding our own internal affairs and not budding into others)
July 1st, 2007 at 6:22 pmI used to call them "skidmarks". You know, those brown smears in underwear? Now I just call them "Liebermans". I'd add more to this but I've gotta go take a "Cheney" ;-)
July 1st, 2007 at 6:41 pmWhat a tool! Joe just move to Israel. They have a vacancy for Prez there.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:56 pmThe most disturbing thing about Joe Lieberman's appearance on This Week with George is that he was even invited. Just like Ann Coulter. Just like Buchanan. Just like all the neocons appearing weekly on our tubes. The media is responsible for the perception that this is what we want. Sad and dangerous and needs to be stopped. I don't watch. I only watch the reports. Ratings, where are their ratings?
July 1st, 2007 at 6:57 pmIt is interesting that most of MSM has stopped covering this corrupt whack job.
He is now politically radioactive and toxic. He is the last thing the Republicans want at this point.
Imagine him lecturing Lugar, Warner and the rest about the need to have more US troops killed so he can justify the bombing of Iran.
The guy is so creepy and dishonest. Fortunately, everyone is on to him.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:24 pmThis new plot seems to have been carried out by the Fawlty Towers wing of Al Qaeda.
July 1st, 2007 at 8:29 pmJoe was the kind of brat that used to cry to his mommy everyday because he was always getting beatup by his peers for being a p. rick. He needs, right between his attention seeking eyes, a cap popped.
July 1st, 2007 at 8:41 pmOnce the Democrats can get 51 seats without him, it will be safe to kick him under the subway.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider #32
...sorry Wayne (and Merlin)...
...simple majorities on either side don't make the majority party effective...
...60 is the threshhold (to veto-proof)...
...and 67 to kick a*s...
...EVERYONE needs to understand this...
...it's why Dems can't stop Bushiva and L'il Dick on ANYTHING!
July 1st, 2007 at 8:52 pmComment by big papa — July 1, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
I hear what yu;re saying and, obviously, we all want 67 votes for our side.
But at least the 51 will give them control of committee chairs. And if Specter was at least as interested in oversight as he pretends to be, he could have conducted hearings a long time ago when he controlled the subpoena power.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:25 pmBut at least the 51 will give them control of committee chairs.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider #182
...right-o...
...and...
...Specter is...
...and always has been...
...a slithering snake...
July 1st, 2007 at 9:35 pmHey, big papa,
I was thinking earlier today that I hadn't seen posts from you in a while -- and there you are!
You are absolutely correct, as usual, we need more than the number of senators presently in office -- we need 60 votes to get anything we want passed and that will require some repugs coming to their senses (which, by the looks of it must be extremely difficult).
So many Dems don't recognize that the one vote majority we have really doesn't cut it -- it gave Dems the chairmanship of all the committees and therefore, all the investigations have begun, but insofar as passing legislation, it is next to impossible without any cooperation from the "dark side."
And don't forget, we are still short a vote in Johnson (but I hear he will be coming back by September).
Oops, I just saw that Wayne A. just posted my own sentiments -- sorry if I stepped on your toes, Wayne, but you know, great minds.....
July 1st, 2007 at 9:40 pm#174 After growing up a Republican I have proudly left the party due to my education and knowledge of the message of liberty and am now a vocal member of the true party of limited government, free markets, indidiual freedom, and foreign non-interventionism (minding our own internal affairs and not budding into others)
Comment by mark
Welcome to the Not-Repug NeoCon Party!! I am an Independent but have shuddered about Dubya and his BushCo Flying Sh!t Circus since before he was bought the Governorship of Texas by Daddy!
The amount of damage he has done to this country and the rest of the world is beyond comprehension. The toxic cleanup will be a massive effort, indeed.
July 1st, 2007 at 9:53 pmComment by Marie #184
Hey Marie,
I had always thought that once Bushiva and L'ilDick had been exposed...
...as the lying, TREASONOUS, cowardly scum they are...
...a healthy majority of the right wing would "recover" from their...
...(I thought) "temporary" insanity...
...now it looks like DUHmerikkka needs....
....a MAJOR intervention...
...the Jim Jones-like Bushite cult is REAL!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:03 pmGood piece to show the Left are so nuts it is hard to fathom.
'IslamISTphobia' - Don't fear it, embrace it!
These peaceful terrorist monkeys must be stopped from coming in to Britain. And all that do come in should be fingerprinted, photographed from 5 angles, and retina scanned...
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
Britain must pay forever
immigrants are entitled
July 1st, 2007 at 11:25 pmto take over the country
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AWESOME!
We should start with him and all other members of the government!
They should have cameras on them 24/7 and GPS locators attached to their spines.
That's the only way they can be safe!
Since they are the most important people in the world, they should have the best protection first!
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:34 amThank You connecticut Ever So Much You Bunch Of F***ing Retards For Sending This Asshat Assklown Back To Congress !!!! Your State Should Hang Its Head In Shame !!!!
And A Big Hearty F*** YOU lieberjew !!!! Move To The UK Or Better Yet Move To isreal !!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 amAmazing!
absurd thought -
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:42 amGod of the Universe says
Hitler was a GREAT man
.
..."was"...
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:58 amComment by USpace
Well yeah. He referred to it. There's at least 3 stories about it here on TP. Every news outlet everywhere on the planet has referenced it for the past 3 days.
If TP wasn't so misleading in it's portrayal of news stories they may have actually let you know what it was he was talking about.
That probably would have stopped a couple of people here noting how well Britsish police have responded to these incidents using the very tools that Lieberman is endorsing for the US. While criticising him for doing so of course.
July 2nd, 2007 at 5:31 amThat "good police work" consisted of months of complete domestic surveillence on dozens of people in the UK and abroad. The police were called in to make the arrests.
Again, you're praising the successes of having a dedicated domestic intelligence agency.
July 2nd, 2007 at 5:45 amHere you go....
Mi5 Tracked Group For a Year
Seriously, you know that the UK has a domestic intelligence service but you thought that some regular cop would be responsible for 24/7 surveillence on terrorist suspects ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 5:49 amUse your head.
@Uspace: drugs are bad, mmkay?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:20 am#181 Comment by big papa — July 1, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
…sorry Wayne (and Merlin)…
You missed my point. Lieberman uses his position as a power platform. A bully pulpit. Were he removed from that position he would be left wandering in the wilderness like a man without a country. I doubt he would get the media coverage he enjoys now.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:37 amLieberman's argument is meaningless: He's asking the US citizen to shift their attention from the illegal surveillance, and focuse on "excuses" to engage in illegal activity. Consider this report from Democracy Now, reporting on Lie-berman's non-sense:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/02/1331248
What Lie-berman doesn't say is the US surveillance when it is oversee by the FISA court, works just fine. Judge Lamberth recently commented on the issue, asserting his view that the Bush approach to surveillance has been reckless:
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/06/26/judge_warrantless_wiretaps_are_worse/6919/
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:14 pmGreater U.S. Domestic Spying Hey it worked for Bill Clinton , but Hey it was Blowjob Bill so it was Okay Right ? and who really gives a shit about all those 7 measly terrorist attacks in 8 yrs . Right ?
1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:11 pmOct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
Joe LIEberman (R-Israel) is a boot licker
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmMake sure that the first camera is put on your street, Joe, pointing at your house.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:55 pmThe war on terror is the governments war on our freedom. 911 was an inside job and so was ok city. wake up, anyone promoting the war on terror democrat or republican is helping the government take our freedoms.
July 2nd, 2007 at 6:14 pmThis is what our government is doing across the board. It has nothing to do with being democrat or republican it has to do with being bought and paid for by corprate America.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 pmThe patriot act was more about controlling Americans than anything else.
We all need to start calling and emailing our senators and represenatives relentlessly until we get our freedom back.
Our government has a forgotten about thing called the constitution and if we don't fight to get it back into our laws we will lose it forever.
I implore anyone who reads this to read between the lines of the news because the news is part of the propaganda machine it lies though ommision we learned that with the immigration reform. How many Americans realize there was an amendment in that bill to make way for the North American Union? Agree with it or not they tried to sneak it in without most peoples knowlage.
WE MUST BE VIGILANT OF OUR GOVERNMENT IT IS OUR BIGGEST THREAT.
If a terrorist were to kill Joe Leiberman, I might be more convinced on his stances.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:23 am