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Fitzgerald to continue with appeals process for Libby.»

The Next Hurrah has a statement from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s spokesperson:

We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative.

We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence imposed by the judge as “excessive.” The sentence in this case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.

Although the President’s decision eliminates Mr. Libby’s sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process.




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572 Responses to “Fitzgerald to continue with appeals process for Libby.”

  1. Zappatero Says:

    anyone think Bush will fire Fitz?


  2. Vincennes Says:

    Anyone else think that Bush did this - for all the reasons stated thus far - plus because he needed to shore up his reputation among the conservatives who went totally against him on the immigration bill. He knows that his reputation among the general public is already in the toilet but at the very least he can’t alienate his acolytes as well so this is a way to distract them from their displeasure regarding immigration.


  3. Angry One Says:

    Bush 2000 Flashback:
    “So when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not only uphold the laws of our land, I will swear to uphold the honor and dignity of the office to which I have been elected, so help me God.”

    “In my administration, we will ask not only what is legal but what is right. Not just what the lawyers allow, but what the public deserves.”

    For the history, see:
    “Neither Right Nor Legal: Libby and the Bush 2000 Standard.”


  4. Bob Says:

    Put another nail in the coffin of Justice.


  5. DM Says:

    Bush did it because he can, he has nothing to lose, and he doesn’t give a crap anymore.


  6. Cobalt 90 Says:

    No matter what happens, Bush will pardon Scooter right before he leaves office.

    But good men like Fitzgerald have to keep swinging away, to preserve at least a little of this nation’s dignity in the face of corrupt power-mongers and their army of inbred rednecks


  7. klevenstein Says:

    vote on Bush’s decision here


  8. Zooey Says:

    Fitz is doing his job. He’s a good man.


  9. Jake Says:

    No more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.


  10. Krazny Says:

    I think the real hope, was scooter would sing like a canary to stay out of prison. I am betting there are far more skeletons that scooter is hiding, then just the few he had to admit to.


  11. Jake Says:

    GO BUSH!!!


  12. Bob Says:

    There’s one person who’s been tried and CONVICTED of felony crimes who will not do jail time while HUNDREDS of people who haven’t even been charged with a crime sit in prison.

    Fairness in the eyes of republicans. Doesn’t anyone who’s happy about this realize how much it diminishes the “Rule of Law”? No, if you’re happy about it, you have no respect for “Rule of Law”.

    Just another exasperating day of Bizzaro World Hypocritical Bush Presidency. How much longer till this nightmare ends?


  13. Jackie Says:

    Randall is only speaking of the law and how it was applied equally to all Americans. Now we see Bush is above the law and Judges don’t count. Yes the rest of us aren’t good Americans just Americans. Convicted felons and child molesters that are Republicans are free from going to jail because their good Americans who just happen to commit crimes but don’t have to pay the price like everyone else. Fitzgerald might want to take his talents overseas because the US doesn’t have a Justice System that is equally. Crimes does pay in America now. Who would have thought that President Bush would be worse then Saddam.


  14. Cobalt 90 Says:

    No more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.

    Still bitter about that stunning defeat in the last election, eh Jake? Poor widdle baby. Why don’t you go to the nearest schoolyard and push some kids around. Maybe that’ll make you feel better about no one having any respect for you, whore.


  15. FDR Says:

    While all of you Piss and Moaning Liberals are Bitching about the commutation of Libby’s Sentence lets not forget the Pardons by Bill Clinton , Hell Bill was in such a Hurry for a Donation to his Presidential House Trailer Library from Marc Rich’s Wife that he did not even bother for the man to get Convicted. who was Marc Rich you ask ? just read the link .

    http://www.time.com/ time/ nation/ article/ 0,8599,99302,00.html


  16. Jake Says:

    Anyone else NOT on the Ignore List?


  17. FDR Says:

    President Clinton’s eleventh-hour pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich has sparked a firestorm of controversy, launching investigations in both houses of Congress and igniting fierce protest from both Democrats and Republicans. The U.S. House and Senate have issued a rash of subpoenas calling for witnesses as well as financial records, as the House Government Reform Committee continued its hearings and the Senate Judiciary Committee geared up for its own proceedings.

    Thursday, the controversy took another step forward — no, we’re not at impeachment yet, but it’s been suggested — when federal prosecutors in New York officially opened a criminal investigation into whether Rich did indeed buy his pardon with his ex-wife Denise’s pointed largesse to the First Couple and the Democratic party.

    That prompted Dan Burton, chairman and lead Clinton-hunter on the House Government Affairs Committee’s ongoing investigation into the matter, to put on hold his request to the Justice Department to give Denise Rich immunity in exchange for her testimony. Rich has already declined to testify, citing her Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.

    As with almost everything relating to the former president, the Marc Rich pardon case raises a lot of questions. Some answers will surface only after all the Capitol Hill witnesses are heard and the U.S. Attorney’s office does its thing. Others, happily, we can answer here and now.

    First of all, what does it mean to be “pardoned” by the President?

    In legal terms, a pardon in an exemption from punishment for a criminal conviction. Presidential pardons are granted unilaterally and cannot be reversed.

    So what’s the point of all these hearings?

    Some are calling the inquiries a field day for die-hard Clinton-haters. But most see this as a source of bipartisan outrage. Republicans and Democrats alike were dumbstruck by the Rich pardon. The federal prosecutors who indicted Rich are especially livid, particularly because, by definition, Rich appears to be ineligible for a pardon: He never took responsibility for his actions or served any sentence.

    The congressional panels were called to investigate the path to Rich’s pardon — which, as various documents seem to indicate, did not follow usual channels. In testimony Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee, U.S. pardon attorney Roger Adams says when the White House sent over Rich’s name for pardon consideration — only a few hours before the President was due to leave office — there was never any mention of Rich being a fugitive. There is also suspicion that donations made to Clinton campaigns and to the Clinton presidential library by Rich’s ex-wife, Denise, could be a quid pro quo for the pardon.

    There are other questions looming: Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, asked whether Clinton even had time to sign all of the paperwork required to seal Rich’s pardon before he left office — raising the possibility that the pardon may not be valid. Specter has also floated the idea of a constitutional amendment giving congressional oversight to presidential pardons.

    Will Clinton be brought in to testify about the pardon?

    It doesn’t look like it. Senator Orrin Hatch, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has indicated he’s interested in having Clinton appear to “clear the air,” but says he doesn’t believe the former president should be forced to testify.

    How does President Bush feel about the Rich pardon inquiries?

    Bush has been quoted as saying he thinks “it’s time to move on,” and by all accounts has little interest in pursuing any investigation that keeps his predecessor in the national spotlight.

    What was Marc Rich’s alleged crime?

    In 1983, Rich was indicted in federal court of evading more than $48 million in taxes. He was also charged with 51 counts of tax fraud and with running illegal oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis.

    So does the pardon mean that if Rich leaves Switzerland (where he’s been living for 17 years and seems quite happy to stay) and comes back to the U.S., that he won’t face any legal proceedings at all?

    Possibly. He’s free of any criminal charges in connection with the case, but Rich can still be charged in civil court on, say, tax evasion charges. In fact, when Clinton finally signed off on Rich’s pardon, the President stipulated that Rich waive the statute of limitations normally placed on as yet unspecified civil charges.

    Rich has been living in Switzerland for almost 20 years now. Is he still a U.S. citizen?

    That’s one of the major questions connected with this case. And the answer, legally, anyway, appears to be yes. While Rich’s lawyers can’t seem to decide if their client is a citizen — sometimes he is, sometimes he isn’t — and Rich himself reportedly considers himself a citizen of Israel and Spain, a federal appeals court ruled in 1991 that Rich had not actively renounced his U.S. citizenship, and therefore he was subject to U.S. law.

    Why does his citizenship matter?

    If Rich is, in fact, still a U.S. citizen, he’s liable for taxes, no matter where he lives. So the IRS wants to know if Rich filed taxes for 17 years he spent abroad — and the congressional panel is investigating whether Rich’s money made it back to Bill and Hillary Clinton; non-citizens are not permitted to make political contributions.

    What does Denise Rich have to do with all this?

    Marc Rich’s socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton’s successful Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also lobbied heavily for Marc’s pardon. Investigators want to know if Denise’s contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her ex-husband’s pardon. Clinton has denied any connection, saying he relied solely on the information provided by Jack Quinn (former White House counsel and Rich’s current lawyer) when he was weighing the pardon request.

    What happens to Denise Rich now?

    Last week, when she was called to testify before the congressional panel, she took the Fifth (the amendment to the Constitution that allows potential witnesses to decline testimony out of fear that they might incriminate themselves). Now the same House panel wants to offer Rich immunity in order to discuss her ex-husband’s case. House Republicans want approval from Attorney General John Ashcroft before granting immunity. Ashcroft is currently “considering” the request.

    What about Washington Democratic fund-raiser and socialite Beth Dozoretz, whose name has come up in connection with the case?

    Beth Dozoretz, fund-raiser and FOB, was, according to TIME, skiing when she heard that Clinton was “impressed” by Rich’s case for a pardon. Dozoretz eagerly told skiing partner Denise Rich about the development, who called Marc Rich’s supporters in Israel, then Washington. Dozoretz is also a big contributor to the Clinton presidential library fund. As in Denise Rich’s case, congressional investigators want to know if there’s a trail leading straight from Dozoretz’s bountiful checkbook to Clinton’s signature on Marc Rich’s pardon.


  18. Gregor Samsa Says:

    jake the fake, may I suggest you tackle a thread that is closer to your level of political sophistication.

    Like the thread on FoxNews and the ham sandwich.

    Of course, even that one might prove too much for you to handle.

    (And you know where you can put your idiotic Ignore List)


  19. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    No more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:46 pm

    No more pretending to respect the law for terrorist supporting lunatic righties. That’s right Jake! Your attack on Plame aided the terrorists…

    GO BUSH!!!
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:48 pm

    Insert “TO JAIL”, and that more accurately states the situation for Bush, and professional criminals like yourself.


  20. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Anyone else NOT on the Ignore List?
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:52 pm

    Poor cowardly Jake*ss. Doesn’t even have the b*lls to answer liberals, how does he plan to fight the terrorists? Oh wait, HE DOESN’T!!! Coward.


  21. John Krogman Says:

    Eventually Bush will issue Libby a pardon. He won’t have to be in prison, poor little Scooter, while the appeals process is exhausted, etc.

    The outcome of the appeals remains to occur, however. Unless Libby withdraws his appeals, the next BIG decision!?$


  22. rockyroad Says:

    Ftizgerald has performed, and continues to perform in a truly admirable manner. His work embodies the integrety and courage that we expect from our Justice Department prosecutors. He deserves tremendous respect.

    Unfortunately, the Justice Department and Gonzales suffer from serious flaws that must not be eclipsed by the Libby commutation and events in London and Glascow. We must not take our eye off of the mass firings of US Attorneys, and role of Cheney, Rove, Gonzales and others in that fiasco. Rove & Cheney are machiavillian when it comes to the shiney penny practice of diverting attention from the critical issue to the flavor of the day. Absolutel, Libby’s commmuted sentence warrants outrage, and terrorist attacks overseas merit attention, however, opportunistically diverting attention from the Department of Justice plays directly into dub’ya’s m.o.

    Focus, focus, focus. Unless we address the issues at the DoJ, Plame-like scandals will re-emerge with similar outcomes, we’ll not only never get out of Iraq, we’ll wake up ro the the fiasco that is Bush’s Iran, and voters’ rights will remain in jeopardy.


  23. Chadwick Says:

    It’s good there are still a few men of Mr. Fitzgerald’s (genuine, old-school Republican) stature employed by the now rotting Department of Justice. But will he, or many of his ilk, still remain to clean up the mess in a post-Bush America? I sincerely hope so.

    God bless you, Mr. Fitzgerald. You make me proud to be an American.


  24. Jake Says:

    Libby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name.


  25. John Sacks Says:

    I didn’t seen any of you complain so much when Clinton set a pardon record including several hardened criminals.


  26. John Sacks Says:

    I think it is pretty obvious that the entire trial was a politically motivated sham in light of everything that came out afterwards. Bush did the right thing, the sentence was excesive and politcally motivated.


  27. Chadwick Says:

    How could you ’see us’ complain about Clinton (Clinton, it’s ALWAYS Clinton), #25, in an era preceding sites like Truthout and the rise of the blogs? It would be IMPOSSIBLE, you nitwit.


  28. Jake Says:

    I agree with John Sacks.


  29. Krazny Says:


    I didn’t seen any of you complain so much when Clinton set a pardon record including several hardened criminals.

    Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 8:58 pm

    Since Think Progress wasn’t around in 1992 I would be suprised if you had. I am sorry you only have the two talking points. Maybe Rove will send some more out via Rush, and Hannity tomorrow for you.


  30. Krazny Says:

    Sorry I meant 2001 there.


  31. John Sacks Says:

    Clinton left in 2000 - the Internet was in full swing at that point - several political groups were very active online. You are just a late comer.


  32. Gregor Samsa Says:

    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    Figures. Two peas in a pod. Same asinine arguments.


  33. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Libby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:57 pm

    Good Name? BAHAHAHAHA, now that’s funny! Libby doesn’t have a good name, neither do you. And his entire premise for *overturning* isn’t that he’s innocent, but that Fitzgerald didn’t have the authority to *investigate* and *prove* his guilt…

    Yeah, that’ll clear everything up!

    You’re a dum little sh*t Jake*ss - I’ll give you that! It’s definitely the only thing you seem to succeed at - being a lying, st*pid little sycophant!!!


  34. John Sacks Says:

    There was never anything there. Libby was something to make the prosecuter save face with his political cohorts. This trail was a sham from day one.


  35. Krazny Says:

    So you were reading Think Progress in 2000?


  36. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    I think it is pretty obvious that the entire trial was a politically motivated sham in light of everything that came out afterwards. Bush did the right thing, the sentence was excesive and politcally motivated.
    Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    BAHAHAHA, yeah, sure!!! Oh, you said *trial*, I thought you meant the attacks on Plame that outed a covert CIA operation, and put the nation at risk!

    I agree with John Sacks.
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm

    And you’re both proof that sh*t tends to clump in the sewer.


  37. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Says:

    Libby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name.

    Comment by Jake
    __________________

    “Scooter” is a good name? Almost as bad as a boy named “Sue”.


  38. Jake Says:

    For the record, the Court received HUNDREDS of letters from people attesting to his public service, sterling character, and GOOD NAME. 28 Bush haters sent in letters urging the Court to throw the book at Libby.


  39. John Krogman Says:

    Fitzgerald is defending his case, that’s his job. What the heck should be so strange about that?

    It’s nice to see that some (in fact many, not those who have been corrupted by the Bush administration) Federal officials take their jobs seriously.

    The Bush Justice Department has devolved into a confused sewer of incompetence and corruption. That is the core issue that needs to be addressed.

    Bush’s play with Libby is a minor but amusing side story.


  40. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Clinton left in 2000 - the Internet was in full swing at that point - several political groups were very active online. You are just a late comer. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:02 pm

    You mean like Drudge, the human closet piece of sludge?

    Better a late comer, than a brain deader like you, b!tch.


  41. John Sacks Says:

    There were hundreds of great newsgroups in that day, plenty of discussion gong on. That is the problem with you youngsters, you think the Internet was invented by Al Gore and is only a couple of years old.


  42. Jake Says:

    I wish that Clinton HAD left in 2000, preferably via a conviction vote in the U.S. Senate.


  43. rockyroad Says:

    Jake,

    HUNDREDS of letters? That’s all Focus on the Family could muster. I’d call that an abject failure.


  44. John Sacks Says:

    Seriously, back in that day there was good sicussion going on and actual debate without all the personal attacks. Then came the 2000 elections and the left went sick and discussion has not been civil since.


  45. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Says:

    Libby was something to make the prosecuter save face with his political cohorts.
    Comment by John Sacks
    ______________________
    And of course you can readily provide us the name of just one of those “political cohorts” the Republican prosecutor Fitgerald was trying to “save face” with. Right?…Right?….Riiiiiight!!


  46. Jake Says:

    LOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.


  47. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    There were hundreds of great newsgroups in that day, plenty of discussion gong on. That is the problem with you youngsters, you think the Internet was invented by Al Gore and is only a couple of years old. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    Al Gore never claimed to invent the internet, but Bush did claim that Jesus told him what to do. As for being a *youngster*, if you didn’t act like a poorly behaved 12 year old boy going through a bad case of puberty blue b*lls - you might be taken more seriously. Wingnut.

    I wish that Clinton HAD left in 2000, preferably via a conviction vote in the U.S. Senate. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    So you want an innocent man to be convicted, while you want a convicted man to be pardoned?

    BAHAHAA, you’re such a partisan little nazi sycophant!!!


  48. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Seriously, back in that day there was good sicussion going on and actual debate without all the personal attacks. Then came the 2000 elections and the left went sick and discussion has not been civil since. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:08 pm

    Then you showed up…


  49. Jake Says:

    Clinton clearly lied to the grand jury and obstructed justice — he was not innocent of those charges.


  50. RUCerious Says:

    There won’t be any pardon for Bush or Cheney after their conviction at the Hague.
    No commutation of sentence, just execution for their unrepentant war crimes.


  51. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Says:

    For the record, the Court received HUNDREDS of letters from people attesting to his public service, sterling character, and GOOD NAME. 28 Bush haters sent in letters urging the Court to throw the book at Libby.
    ____________________

    Clear proof that the progressives, but not the neocons, wanted the FACTS to determine the outcome. Case dismissed (along with the lead “defense”).


  52. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    LOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:09 pm

    But Ronuhld RayGun and George H Bush were… You forget that F*ckus within the family cut a deal with the neocons long ago - you extremist wingnuts are all part of the same “Al Qaeda” now…


  53. Tom3 Says:

    Wealthy White Repuke Lawyer guys do NOT go to jail. IOKIYAR.


  54. Jake Says:

    LOL!!! Neither Bush nor Cheney will be executed for war crimes. Just like Pelosi and Reid won’t impeach them


  55. Zooey Says:

    Clinton never washes behind his ears.


  56. Rick Says:

    President Bush has set the standard for your children. The next time you yell or lecture your children remember your President said: it’s ok to, LIE, STEAL JUSTICE, and most of all KILL YOUR CHILDREN.


  57. Jake Says:

    Tom3:

    Marc Rich was not a “Repuke Lawyer” ; )


  58. rainlillie Says:

    This corrupt administration does whatever the hell they want to do. The Constitution, the Bill of rights, the courts, the Senate and the Congress don’t have any power over them.

    These liars and crooks have done more harm to our democracy than a couple of lowlifes with bombs could ever do! Republicans be careful..Be very careful. Bush isn’t always going to be President..He and his corrupt Klan have opened the door for the next president to go even further than he has gone when it comes to disregarding:

    The will of the people
    The Constitution
    The Bill Of Rights
    Court verdicts
    The Senate
    Congress


  59. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Clinton clearly lied to the grand jury and obstructed justice — he was not innocent of those charges. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:10 pm

    For the record, everyone is innocent until proven guilt in a court of law in the US.

    For the record, Clinton was not proven guilty, and was not convicted of a crime.

    For the record, Libby was.

    For the record Jake*ss, you’re such a little Nazi, pansy boy. You really should take off Hoover’s second hand dresses, you’re too fat for them…


  60. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Marc Rich was not a “Repuke Lawyer” ; )
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:13 pm

    Prove it.


  61. John Krogman Says:

    Umm, John Sacks, have you thought it possible that the Clinton hijinks were minor compared to Bush’s hideous crimes and miscarriages of justice and foreign policy disaster?

    Yes, an energetic Congress, led by Speaker Newt Gingrich (who was adulterously screwing a Congressional assistant), managed to impeach Clinton. Clinton shouldn’t have lied about his own screwing around, we can all agree I suppose.

    But to compare Clinton’s pecadillos to Bush’s high crimes and misdemeaners, that is the height of absurdity. Such phallic nonsense is just that.


  62. Chadwick Says:

    I can’t wait to see Bush and Cheney, et al, swinging from a gallows at the Hague. Hope they leave the bodies up so the crows peck out their eyes.


  63. Jake Says:

    rainlillie:

    The power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?


  64. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    The power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:14 pm

    The power to find the president innocent of impeachment is IN the Constitution, did you know that?

    Nazi f*cker.

    For the record Jake*ss, there are lots of powers in the constitution that can be abused - and those can result in impeachment - especially if they involve a coverup that Congress decides to investigate.


  65. Yellowsubmarine Says:

    Judge affirms ruling to dismiss Gitmo charges
    Story Highlights:

    Judge previously dropped charges against Gitmo prisoner.
    Prisoner accused of killing U.S. soldier in 2001.
    Judge says prisoner cannot be held; court does not have jurisdiction to try him.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — A military judge on Friday rejected the Pentagon’s request to reinstate previously dismissed charges against a prisoner accused of killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan in 2001, officials said.


  66. Chadwick Says:

    Jake is right about one thing: Pelosi and Reid will never impeach. The only ones who might are Republicans desperate to rehabilitate their party and save their nation. Bush is the best marketing tool the Dems have ever had (they can win while doing, essentially, nothing) while Bush is like a sinking ship, sucking down those associated with him in a vicious undertow.


  67. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Says:

    The judge in the Libby case should complete a signing statement indicating that he would not go along with the commutation and send the baliffs to take Libby directly to jail tomorrow.


  68. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    LOL!!! Neither Bush nor Cheney will be executed for war crimes. Just like Pelosi and Reid won’t impeach them Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:12 pm

    Ah, the crystal ball of the resident gypsy.

    While that’s your *opinion*, it’s just that - Jake*ss.

    It’s unlikely any president would be killed - too true. But as for getting impeached, your *boy*, is as belligerent, poorly behaved, and as poorly mannered as you are. Sooner or later people get tired of him sh*tting on dinner - as we’re all sick of your childish prattle…


  69. Zooey Says:

    Clinton spits on the sidewalk.


  70. rockyroad Says:

    Jake:

    LOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.

    LOL and rolling on the floor. Wolfowitz and Kissinger!

    Maybe Dobsins flock recognized that they were on the side of Wolfowitz and Kissinger . . . decided to sit this one out : )


  71. ForTruth Says:

    Clinton is a sorry, sneaky bastard. Fine.

    He may get back in the White House. It makes me happy to scare the trolls. But in reality, it’s not good.

    I elect “Bernie” from Weekend at Bernie’s, the movie.


  72. kasinca Says:

    Thugs of a crime family…Dubya, Cheney et al.


  73. stonehinge Says:

    I pledge allegiance to the Flag,
    Of the Due-blighted States of America,
    and to the Republicans for richer stands.
    One nation, under guard-invisible,
    With libertine injustice for all.

    Amen


  74. ForTruth Says:

    Hi Zooey,

    What’s up this evening? I hope Jake isn’t letting his diaper show too much.


  75. Jake Says:

    Last I checked, the U.S. Marshalls AND the Bureau of Prisons are within the Executive, not Judicial, branch. Good luck with your gallows too.


  76. Gregor Samsa Says:

    The power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:14 pm

    Funny you should now try to hide behind the constitution, to justify the illegal, immoral acts of this administration.

    These Bush cultists use the constitution in the same way Bible literalits use the Bible: They cherrypick what’s convenient to them and ignore the rest -like Habeas Corpus, and due process.


  77. John Sacks Says:

    “There won’t be any pardon for Bush or Cheney after their conviction at the Hague.
    No commutation of sentence, just execution for their unrepentant war crimes.” —- For one thing, and this is where Conservatives really differ from Liberals — The US is a Sovereign nation and the Hague can go fuck itself. It is you bastarsds that want to submit to the socialist idiots in Europe - amazing.


  78. AkaDad Says:

    I remember there was a time when Republicans actually believed in the rule of law…


  79. Jake Says:

    Even during wartime, the President still has the power to pardon.


  80. ForTruth Says:

    Ted Haggard for Mayor of DC. He can be Hottub Ted, on the Potomac.

    Even though he’s dead, Johnney Cocheran for Attorney General.

    Mike Tyson for Sec. of Defense.


  81. Fan_of_Man Says:

    “It is time for the American people to be heard - I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law.” - Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.


  82. ForTruth Says:

    Jake what does the pardon have to do with wartime? The President can pardon you too. I can’t wait until this Bozo is out of office.


  83. Jake Says:

    Presidential Pardons are WITHIN the Rule of Law. If anyone NOT on the Ignore List doesn’t understand that, let me know.


  84. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Says:

    The right to do something does not make doing it right.
    It takes a jake to confuse a village.


  85. Jake Says:

    I’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise.


  86. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Presidential Pardons are WITHIN the Rule of Law. If anyone NOT on the Ignore List doesn’t understand that, let me know. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:26 pm

    But obstructing justice isn’t. If the sentence was designed to encourage the party to provide additional testimony (typical of criminal cases), then by pardoning Libby Bush as in fact obstructed justice.

    For the record.

    I’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:29 pm

    Poor st*pid little b!tch! A *compromise* involves an agreement where all parties agree. You really should buy a dictionary, your *elmo* edition makes you look dum, du dum, dum


  87. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Last I checked, the U.S. Marshalls AND the Bureau of Prisons are within the Executive, not Judicial, branch. Good luck with your gallows too. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:22 pm

    But an impeached president is *not* within the executive branch - Jake*ss.


  88. ConservativesRCowards Says:

    Since I posted this at the close of the last thread, and since Jake, John Sacks, and numerous other trolls are pleasuring each other over this news, humor me and let me be redundant:

    Bush:
    “I respect the jury’s verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby’s sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison.”

    Then explain how you feel about the harsh sentencing of former Governor Don Siegelman (D-AL) after your favorite piglet, known to us as Rove, did a hatchet job on the man.

    http://www.time.com/ time/ nation/ article/ 0,8599,1627427,00.html?xid=rss-nation

    Now the man is sentenced to over seven years in prison and has to pay a fine of $500,000.00
    All because he was in your and Rove’s way during an election.

    http://harpers.org/archive/2007/06/hbc-90000402

    No doubt your sycophantic boot-lickers will grovel all day to defend your mockery of American justice and the death of America.
    Today’s Republican: the only thing that separates them from Al Qaeda is the name of the god they declare to worship (hint: the Republicans worship mammon).

    .


  89. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus Says:

    Even during wartime, the President still has the power to pardon.
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:25 pm

    Yeah, I’m sure Hitler would have pardoned all of his henchmen too. You’re a little Nazi - Jake*ss.


  90. ForTruth Says:

    Ok I read it.

    It was an excellent, professional citation of established law. There is no political bias. You can feel the justice in that statement.

    Everyone knows this President is a child.


  91. rockyroad Says:

    Sure, Clinton’s Oval Office indiscretions didn’t reflect well on the presidency. But, get a grip. Two consenting adults and only a true pinhead would argue that it was the first time the Oval Office had hosted such action.

    Hardly the high crime that merits impeachment.

    On the otherhand, outing a CIA agent (HWB asserted that this was among the vilest acts of treason), fabricating evidence to launch a war against a sovereign nation that had essentially stopped its nonsense against us), rigging elections, ignoring threats from a known terrorist entity (who could possibly have envisioned? Well, just about anyone with any memory or creative capacity), abandoning the Gulf Coast as its citizens drowned and made new friends in the Super Dome), and so on and so on and so on. Lets see, a little action in the OO vs. 3,560+ and counting dead . . . who deserves impeachment? Maybe, if his sentence hadn’t been commuted, he could have shared.


  92. criticalthinker Says:

    re#82 Jake

    When it comes to the CRIME that the president was ALREADY convicted of, can he pardon himself?

    You know when that Federal judge ruled that he broke the FISA law!

    Is that within your idea of “rule of law”?

    Oh, I forget that you want to forget that happened!


  93. Zooey Says:

    Hi Zooey,

    What’s up this evening? I hope Jake isn’t letting his diaper show too much.

    Comment by ForTruth

    Not much. Pretty quiet day overall.

    Did you know that one time Clinton stubbed his toe on the bed and said a naughty word?


  94. Guy Fawkes Says:

    George Sr.:

    “I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.”

    Guess what, George, your delinquent son just let a traitor go free!


  95. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) Says:

    I’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise.

    Comment by Jake
    ______________________

    It’s a compromise, all right. A compromising of justice. A compromising of the intelligence community. A compromising of separation of powers.

    BTW, Jake, just because I am apparently on your “Ignore List” does not mean I don’t exist. Haven’t you passed the developmental stage of recognizing object permanence yet?


  96. Tom3 Says:

    Repuke trolls: “B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!”


  97. Candyce Says:

    What I’d be interested in is how many pardons/commutations have been granted for people who have worked for the president. I think that fact moves this into a realm beyond what we know as a pardon. Anyone know? I’m sure it’s happened, but I’m so beside myself I can’t think.


  98. Zooey Says:

    Repuke trolls: “B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!”
    Comment by Tom3

    Clinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.


  99. Candyce Says:

    Clinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.

    Comment by Zooey

    *gasp*


  100. ace Says:

    George Senior is ecstatic that this criminal was set free.

    After all, they ALL work for the Bush Crime Family, which is the holding company for the DEA and the CIA, and “Global Terror, Defense & Oil Holdings, inc.” - a division of Rockefeller Enterprises, which is itself a division of Royal Crown Holdings under the House of Bilderberg World Holdings.

    David Rockefeller is laughing his ass off at the way he has effectively neutered this constitutional republic.

    Congress is completely irrelevant.

    Be sure to thank Israel and its spies in the White House and Congress for destroying your country.


  101. JG Says:

    Clinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.
    Comment by Zooey

    I bet he doesn’t put the cap on the toothpast either..



  102. Tom3 Says:

    Scooter is a traitor.

    30 months was nowhere near enough.


  103. ForTruth Says:

    I don’t think Clinton sucked up a boatload of cocaine, but I’m not sure.


  104. John Sacks Says:

    The witch hunt went after Rove and Cheny to no avail. They tried and tried and tried again to get something, anything - and nothing. Then on his umteenth testimony in his umteenth cross examination they got something a little different, enough to throw the raw meet to the liberal media who ran wild through the streets. Funny thing is that since this entire thing started, as it turns out, noone outed the little media whore but herself and her husband - but since scooter “lied under oath” he takes the hit. Then they give him the maximum sentence and no chance to sit out while on appeal - like he is a flight risk or something. Bush did the right thing in commuting the sentence (not a pardon) so that he can appeal this nonsense from home.


  105. John Sacks Says:

    Rumor has it, when Bush leaves and strokes his last pardons, that he might pardon both Clintons.


  106. ace Says:

    #

    http://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm

    Comment by Veritass — July 2, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

    I see the Megaphone-enabled trolls are here celebrating in force, in this case, stealing a screen name by adding an extra letter to the handle of Veritas.

    Here comes the full court Zionist Press - right here before you very eyes.


  107. John Sacks Says:

    http://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm - The Slickster set a record with pardons I believe.


  108. JG Says:

    Scooter is a traitor.
    30 months was nowhere near enough.
    Comment by Tom3 — July 2, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

    Exactly right! But I still think he was “assistant traitor”, or “traitor in training”, or “sycophant to the traitor”, or.. I could keep going with this..

    I want them to take down the main ‘traitor’ guy. The lurker. The shadow president (or co-president). The bad-aim shooter. The Cheney.


  109. Krazny Says:

    Not sure what he would pardon either clinton for, since they haven’t been convicted of any crimes, unlike Mr. Libby.


  110. ForTruth Says:

    Thanks John,

    I think that’s fine. It’s time for someone in politics to just grow up. No more witch hunts, no more Kenn Starrs, or Patrick Leahys.

    I think all this nonsense must come to an end.


  111. ConservativesRCowards Says:

    I’ve already sent the White House my e-mail….
    Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:29 pm

    Why waste your time you back-room White House roadie?
    Don’t you know that as soon as it’s received, it’s deleted?
    Oh… No. You don’t.
    You watch FOX.

    .


  112. Perry Logan Says:

    Don’t forget: this guy isn’t really President. So he can’t commute anything.


  113. JG Says:

    How much ya wanna bet Fitzgerald is asked to resign next (code word for fired by this WH). They will of course say they have been planning it for some time in order to give someone else a chance at the spot..


  114. Mr. President Says:


    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
    FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!


  115. midwestblue Says:

    Now is a prefect time to tell our representatives to impeach. There is still a lot of time left for Bush to inflict tremendous harm.


  116. John Sacks Says:

    He deserves a full pardon.


  117. JG Says:

    I think Libby deserved to share a cell. With Cheney. For a long… long, long….., long, long, LONG time..


  118. Zooey Says:

    Clinton knows the definition of acerebralist.


  119. Zooey Says:

    Clinton likes to go to sumo.


  120. WMD Says:

    Supporting our undercover CIA agents


  121. Mr. President Says:

    Be sure to thank Israel and its spies in the White House and Congress for destroying your country.

    Comment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 9:41 pm

    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!A*C*E*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*

    (A)rabs
    (C)onspire
    (E)vil

    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!

    BUSH… LIBBY… The JOOOOooooOOOOoooooOS…

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  122. Zooey Says:

    Clinton likes showers better than baths.


  123. Martin Gifford Says:

    In the end, Libby will profit from the whole experience, through book deals or gifts.

    What does a president have to do to get IMPEACHED?

    Bush cares more about Libby’s family’s suffering than about dead soldiers’ families’ suffering.


  124. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Clinton knows the definition of acerebralist.

    Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 10:00 pm

    A quick follow-up and then I’m off to get some sleep.

    I told an intelligent co-worker about the “contest” last night for the new name, and as soon as I said my entry, she started laughing. She got it immediately. Good night, Z.


  125. Mr. President Says:

    I don’t think Clinton sucked up a boatload of cocaine, but I’m not sure.
    Comment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

    Dude, he stuck a cigar inside Monica…

    Yeah, he was into coke.


  126. Mr. President Says:

    Now is a prefect time to tell our representatives to impeach. There is still a lot of time left for Bush to inflict tremendous harm.
    Comment by midwestblue — July 2, 2007 @ 9:55 pm

    Impeach?

    Why?


  127. barfly Says:

    Libby still has to face civil justice. The conviction won’t be overturned before the civil case goes to court.


  128. Mr. President Says:

    “B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!”
    Comment by Tom3 — July 2, 2007 @ 9:38 pm

    He sure did, Tommy-boy, he sure did.


  129. Bowdler Says:

    How about Irv Skater Libby.


  130. barfly Says:

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Mr. President

    Spot on Rachel imitation. Congrats.


  131. Mr. President Says:

    Clinton spits on the sidewalk.
    Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 9:19 pm

    That’s disgusting and I believe illegal in some areas.


  132. JG Says:

    Yeah, already. Clinton was STUPID to have sex (consentually though wrong) with someone in the oval office (or off in a closet, or wherever..) STUPID. Hello,.. stupid. He didn’t lie about going to a war based on manufactured evidence where LOTS of people died. He lied about having SEX to avoid embarrassment.
    Yeah, those are the same..


  133. Mr. President Says:

    Spot on Rachel imitation. Congrats.

    Comment by barfly — July 2, 2007 @ 10:13 pm

    Thank you.

    But that was an “ace” imitation.


  134. barfly Says:

    The JOOOOooooOOOOoooooOS…

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Mr. President

    Why do you think they call it Jew-Lie the 4th?

    *snerk*


  135. Null Says:

    Ahem.

    Bush is a lying, trifling, coniving, nancy-boy, idiot, coke head, drunk of a coward who has NEVER done ANYTHING to make even
    his tawdry, heartless, spoiled rat of a mother proud. The End.


  136. Mr. President Says:

    Why do you think they call it Jew-Lie the 4th?

    *snerk*

    Comment by barfly — July 2, 2007 @ 10:16 pm

    Let me guess…

    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*CONSPIRACY!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
    *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*


  137. Zooey Says:

    She got it immediately. Good night, Z.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    I’ve got it, too. :)

    Clinton sometimes leaves a room without turning off the light.


  138. barfly Says:

    “But that was an “ace” imitation.”

    Comment by Mr. President

    I don’t see it.

    But Rachel was always big on crappy keystroke “art,” just like your example.


  139. Zooey Says:

    Clinton once wore one brown sock and one black sock.


  140. ace Says:

    Nice to see that all of the Megahphone Troll’s postings go through instantaneously, while those not representing the interests of Israel are censored.

    How “Progressive!”


  141. Zooey Says:

    Clinton likes crappy keystroke art.


  142. barfly Says:

    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*CONSPIRACY!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
    *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*

    Comment by Mr. President

    Rachel would be proud …


  143. Mr. President Says:

    Nice to see that all of the Megahphone Troll’s postings go through instantaneously, while those not representing the interests of Israel are censored.

    How “Progressive!”

    Comment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 10:20 pm

    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!A*C*E*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!

    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*CONSPIRACY!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
    *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*


  144. JG Says:

    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
    !*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*CONSPIRACY!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
    *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*

    You know, I have found that whenever someone runs out of answers, they immediately jump on the “conspiracy” attack wagon. If you call someone a “conspiracy theorist”, then you think you can just use that to dismiss what they have to say. I have come to the conclusion that it is a lame defense. LAME. It is nothing but smoke.


  145. Mr. President Says:

    It is nothing but smoke.

    Comment by JG — July 2, 2007 @ 10:22 pm

    Actually it’s crappy keystroke art…

    and in case you didn’t know…

    Clinton likes it!!!


  146. rockyroad Says:

    Jake -

    Can’t stop LOL. Wolfowitz and Kissinger, can you add Haggard, Abramhoff, Rummy and McCarthy (oh yeah, he’s dead) to your list of illuminaries supporting pardons for patrons?


  147. ace Says:

    Mr. President:

    How many diefferent identities will you be employing here in this thread tonight?

    How’s the weather in Israel?


  148. WH Chief of Staph Says:

    Mr. Excrement, sir?

    If I could have a moment of your time, sir.

    Words cannot express the sheer and utter disgust with which I view your lack of morals, your contempt for the foundations of the rule of law upon which our democracy is founded, and, frankly, your amazing lack of wisdom.

    You continue to display a total lack of sophistication, a dearth of creativity, and seem to be functioning on a rather low tech version of an autopilot, akin to tying the steering wheel to the door handle, and jamming an ice scraper between the dash and the gas pedal.

    Day after day you blabber and blurt utter nonsense, respond to suggestions and viewpoints with inane spewings, and in general, display the characteristics of a 20 something slacker from Fritch.
    Sir.

    (Huh, I guess the Seconal finally kicked in. Takes more and more of them as time wears on…..
    Good night, sir.)


  149. Zooey Says:

    Clinton likes to fly on airplanes with Chimpy’s dad.


  150. Mr. President Says:

    Comment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 10:24 pm

    Would you care to elaborate?


  151. ForTruth Says:

    You could stick a cigar into Monica and not be on coke. I cold.


  152. JG Says:

    I think I will go make a pitcher of margaritas and get myself a REALLY long straw to celebrate the wonderful goings on of today..
    Night..


  153. Tom3 Says:

    Chimpy let Jeffy Lube Gannon stick something in him.

    And it wasn’t a cigar.


  154. warren tarrah Says:

    You all do know that Bill Clinton was actually the person who dropped Valerie Plame’s name. Bill is in fact conducting an experiment for the CIA. They have developed technology that makes a person invisible and Bill was the one picked for the new tech. Bill was infact in the WH when Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Addington, and Scooter were talking about Joe Wilson’s op-ed. Bill actually went and physically opened Dick’s mouth kind of like a ventriquolist and stated that they should all leak Valerie Plames name. And then he picked the phone and put it int o Scooters hand and dialed Time magazines number and caused Scooter to spill the beans. Then he moved onto Judy Miller and Tim Russert. So you see it’s all Bill’s fault. Scooter is innocent.Poor baby Scooter. His reputation is ruined even though Rupert is going to offer him a seven figure book deal.


  155. ForTruth Says:

    As a matter of fact Mr. President, it almost seems as though you might consider sex with a female potentially “icky”?

    Hmmmm.

    Care to share?


  156. Null Says:

    Comment #134 also holds true for Cheney, except add souless, unintelligent, psychotic, ogre of a monster, piece of shriveled up dickwad, with the tiniest tiniest set of balls imaginable. The end.


  157. Mr. President Says:

    Comment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 10:34 pm

    Sure, potentially “icky” I’d say that.

    That’s what showers and condoms are for.


  158. rockyroad Says:

    Humm - Zooey punches in when Jake punches out. Sure hope this isn’t a Hatch Act violation.


  159. Egreggious Says:

    These attempts to justify Bush’s commutation by saying Bill Clinton did the same thing annoy the heck out me.

    If Clinton kicked his dog, then it’s okay for Bush to kick his dog.

    Clinton may well have done things that sucked. And you may think that makes ALL Democrats hypocrites (even those who were disappinted with Clinton) and perhaps it’s this hypocrisy that you’re relishing in. But, the reverse is also true. How can you condemn what Clinton did, and then rejoice when Bush does the same (or at least a similar) thing?


  160. ForTruth Says:

    What’s Jeff Gannon’s astrological sign?

    Lube-ra


  161. ForTruth Says:

    Showers and condoms sounds like the name of a gay spa.


  162. Null Says:

    Wasn’t the whole Bush Jr. and Co. agenda/line basically that they would restore honor and dignity and VALUES to the White House after (according to them) Clinton dirtied it up? If that’s the case why are they making excuses for their actions by saying that Clinton did it too? Shouldn’t they be trying to do BETTER/be better morally than Clinton, according to the platform that they ran on?


  163. ForTruth Says:

    Actually that was pretty funny John Sacks


  164. ForTruth Says:

    John it sounds just like something Mr. Presidunt would say.


  165. Winston Smith Says:

    I will never understand these defenders of Bush and the NWO. Do they really think they benefit from any of these decisions and the impact they will have on us for a long,long time? How is their life better by the coward Scooter not going to Club Fed? Yet they all screamed that Martha Stewart better serve her full term.Is their only motivation that there be no gay marriage? No death tax that wouldn’t apply to them anyway? The list goes on.

    It’s like a sporting competition to them for chrissakes! They think they “win” by this decision but they are very,very wrong.

    I shudder to think what is next.

    “The Constitution is what 5 Supreme Court Justices say it is.”


  166. John Sacks Says:

    Noone is making excuses for anyone. The trial against Libby was a witch hunt and he didn’t deserve the sentence he received, which was complete excesive and politically motivated, so the President commuted the sentence. Plain and simple and well within the rights of the President - even if Clint claimed that he did not have sex with that woman.


  167. Mr. President Says:

    Showers and condoms sounds like the name of a gay spa.

    Comment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 10:38 pm

    No, you’re thinking of The Dirty Cigar.


  168. rockyroad Says:

    #160 Oh yeah, we were all anxiously awaiting the moment when homophobia would rear its lovely head. Elevating the conversation to new heights. . .

    Does this site have any sort of gatekeeper?

    I am the wind . . . out.


  169. ace Says:

    John Sacks:

    Define this:

    “A jury of one’s peers”

    What is our system of laws if it is not bound to the findings of such a body?


  170. ForTruth Says:

    Was the infamous cigar from Cuba?


  171. Jay Randal Says:

    GOPers on TP and in the media/press are trashing Fitzgerald, but he is a fellow Republican, so they are eating each other now and not pretty.


  172. ForTruth Says:

    I like to be reminded Fitzgerald is Republican.


  173. John Sacks Says:

    Jury of one’s peers - like OJ right?


  174. Null Says:

    John Sacks:

    Please expand on YOUR definition of the following terms/words: excessive, witch hunt, politically motivated, excuses.

    Thanks.


  175. Judith Miller Says:

    Yeah, I spent months in the slammer covering his warty ass, and he gets a commutation…

    Where’s my medal of freedom?


  176. ForTruth Says:

    Justice for money system folks.


  177. shane Says:

    Clinton likes showers better than baths.

    Comment by Zooey

    I don’t even like Hillary. All the money I’ve donated has been to Edwards. But just to spite these rat bastard trolls I’m going to vote for Clinton just to drive their furry little asses crazy.


  178. Mr. President Says:

    #160 Wow.

    ForShame, ForTruth.

    I had no idea that you were turning this into a debate about homos.


  179. Fortruth Says:

    This is why the po’ go to the stinker. Justice for money.


  180. Egreggious Says:

    Oj’s jury did not feel they had enough evidence to convict. Scooter’s did.


  181. George W. ISLAMOTerrorist, the Saudi OIL WHOREBAG Says:

    Jury of one’s peers - like OJ right?

    Nope, NOT the same.

    Libby got CONVICTED of 4 FELONIES…

    He is a TRAITOR to the USA.

    But so are Bush, Cheney and the REST of their WAR CRIMINALS.

    May they BURN IN HELL FOR THEIR GENOCIDE.

    They definitely do NOT follow the Wor