The Next Hurrah has a statement from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s spokesperson:
We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative.
We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence imposed by the judge as “excessive.” The sentence in this case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.
Although the President’s decision eliminates Mr. Libby’s sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process.
anyone think Bush will fire Fitz?
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:35 pmAnyone else think that Bush did this - for all the reasons stated thus far - plus because he needed to shore up his reputation among the conservatives who went totally against him on the immigration bill. He knows that his reputation among the general public is already in the toilet but at the very least he can’t alienate his acolytes as well so this is a way to distract them from their displeasure regarding immigration.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:35 pmBush 2000 Flashback:
“So when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not only uphold the laws of our land, I will swear to uphold the honor and dignity of the office to which I have been elected, so help me God.”
“In my administration, we will ask not only what is legal but what is right. Not just what the lawyers allow, but what the public deserves.”
For the history, see:
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:37 pm“Neither Right Nor Legal: Libby and the Bush 2000 Standard.”
Put another nail in the coffin of Justice.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:40 pmBush did it because he can, he has nothing to lose, and he doesn’t give a crap anymore.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:43 pmNo matter what happens, Bush will pardon Scooter right before he leaves office.
But good men like Fitzgerald have to keep swinging away, to preserve at least a little of this nation’s dignity in the face of corrupt power-mongers and their army of inbred rednecks
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:43 pmvote on Bush’s decision here
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:44 pmFitz is doing his job. He’s a good man.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:44 pmNo more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:46 pmI think the real hope, was scooter would sing like a canary to stay out of prison. I am betting there are far more skeletons that scooter is hiding, then just the few he had to admit to.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:48 pmGO BUSH!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:48 pmThere’s one person who’s been tried and CONVICTED of felony crimes who will not do jail time while HUNDREDS of people who haven’t even been charged with a crime sit in prison.
Fairness in the eyes of republicans. Doesn’t anyone who’s happy about this realize how much it diminishes the “Rule of Law”? No, if you’re happy about it, you have no respect for “Rule of Law”.
Just another exasperating day of Bizzaro World Hypocritical Bush Presidency. How much longer till this nightmare ends?
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:49 pmRandall is only speaking of the law and how it was applied equally to all Americans. Now we see Bush is above the law and Judges don’t count. Yes the rest of us aren’t good Americans just Americans. Convicted felons and child molesters that are Republicans are free from going to jail because their good Americans who just happen to commit crimes but don’t have to pay the price like everyone else. Fitzgerald might want to take his talents overseas because the US doesn’t have a Justice System that is equally. Crimes does pay in America now. Who would have thought that President Bush would be worse then Saddam.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:50 pmNo more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.
Still bitter about that stunning defeat in the last election, eh Jake? Poor widdle baby. Why don’t you go to the nearest schoolyard and push some kids around. Maybe that’ll make you feel better about no one having any respect for you, whore.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmWhile all of you Piss and Moaning Liberals are Bitching about the commutation of Libby’s Sentence lets not forget the Pardons by Bill Clinton , Hell Bill was in such a Hurry for a Donation to his Presidential House Trailer Library from Marc Rich’s Wife that he did not even bother for the man to get Convicted. who was Marc Rich you ask ? just read the link .
http://www.time.com/ time/ nation/ article/ 0,8599,99302,00.html
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmAnyone else NOT on the Ignore List?
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmPresident Clinton’s eleventh-hour pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich has sparked a firestorm of controversy, launching investigations in both houses of Congress and igniting fierce protest from both Democrats and Republicans. The U.S. House and Senate have issued a rash of subpoenas calling for witnesses as well as financial records, as the House Government Reform Committee continued its hearings and the Senate Judiciary Committee geared up for its own proceedings.
Thursday, the controversy took another step forward — no, we’re not at impeachment yet, but it’s been suggested — when federal prosecutors in New York officially opened a criminal investigation into whether Rich did indeed buy his pardon with his ex-wife Denise’s pointed largesse to the First Couple and the Democratic party.
That prompted Dan Burton, chairman and lead Clinton-hunter on the House Government Affairs Committee’s ongoing investigation into the matter, to put on hold his request to the Justice Department to give Denise Rich immunity in exchange for her testimony. Rich has already declined to testify, citing her Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.
As with almost everything relating to the former president, the Marc Rich pardon case raises a lot of questions. Some answers will surface only after all the Capitol Hill witnesses are heard and the U.S. Attorney’s office does its thing. Others, happily, we can answer here and now.
First of all, what does it mean to be “pardoned” by the President?
In legal terms, a pardon in an exemption from punishment for a criminal conviction. Presidential pardons are granted unilaterally and cannot be reversed.
So what’s the point of all these hearings?
Some are calling the inquiries a field day for die-hard Clinton-haters. But most see this as a source of bipartisan outrage. Republicans and Democrats alike were dumbstruck by the Rich pardon. The federal prosecutors who indicted Rich are especially livid, particularly because, by definition, Rich appears to be ineligible for a pardon: He never took responsibility for his actions or served any sentence.
The congressional panels were called to investigate the path to Rich’s pardon — which, as various documents seem to indicate, did not follow usual channels. In testimony Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee, U.S. pardon attorney Roger Adams says when the White House sent over Rich’s name for pardon consideration — only a few hours before the President was due to leave office — there was never any mention of Rich being a fugitive. There is also suspicion that donations made to Clinton campaigns and to the Clinton presidential library by Rich’s ex-wife, Denise, could be a quid pro quo for the pardon.
There are other questions looming: Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, asked whether Clinton even had time to sign all of the paperwork required to seal Rich’s pardon before he left office — raising the possibility that the pardon may not be valid. Specter has also floated the idea of a constitutional amendment giving congressional oversight to presidential pardons.
Will Clinton be brought in to testify about the pardon?
It doesn’t look like it. Senator Orrin Hatch, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has indicated he’s interested in having Clinton appear to “clear the air,” but says he doesn’t believe the former president should be forced to testify.
How does President Bush feel about the Rich pardon inquiries?
Bush has been quoted as saying he thinks “it’s time to move on,” and by all accounts has little interest in pursuing any investigation that keeps his predecessor in the national spotlight.
What was Marc Rich’s alleged crime?
In 1983, Rich was indicted in federal court of evading more than $48 million in taxes. He was also charged with 51 counts of tax fraud and with running illegal oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis.
So does the pardon mean that if Rich leaves Switzerland (where he’s been living for 17 years and seems quite happy to stay) and comes back to the U.S., that he won’t face any legal proceedings at all?
Possibly. He’s free of any criminal charges in connection with the case, but Rich can still be charged in civil court on, say, tax evasion charges. In fact, when Clinton finally signed off on Rich’s pardon, the President stipulated that Rich waive the statute of limitations normally placed on as yet unspecified civil charges.
Rich has been living in Switzerland for almost 20 years now. Is he still a U.S. citizen?
That’s one of the major questions connected with this case. And the answer, legally, anyway, appears to be yes. While Rich’s lawyers can’t seem to decide if their client is a citizen — sometimes he is, sometimes he isn’t — and Rich himself reportedly considers himself a citizen of Israel and Spain, a federal appeals court ruled in 1991 that Rich had not actively renounced his U.S. citizenship, and therefore he was subject to U.S. law.
Why does his citizenship matter?
If Rich is, in fact, still a U.S. citizen, he’s liable for taxes, no matter where he lives. So the IRS wants to know if Rich filed taxes for 17 years he spent abroad — and the congressional panel is investigating whether Rich’s money made it back to Bill and Hillary Clinton; non-citizens are not permitted to make political contributions.
What does Denise Rich have to do with all this?
Marc Rich’s socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton’s successful Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also lobbied heavily for Marc’s pardon. Investigators want to know if Denise’s contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her ex-husband’s pardon. Clinton has denied any connection, saying he relied solely on the information provided by Jack Quinn (former White House counsel and Rich’s current lawyer) when he was weighing the pardon request.
What happens to Denise Rich now?
Last week, when she was called to testify before the congressional panel, she took the Fifth (the amendment to the Constitution that allows potential witnesses to decline testimony out of fear that they might incriminate themselves). Now the same House panel wants to offer Rich immunity in order to discuss her ex-husband’s case. House Republicans want approval from Attorney General John Ashcroft before granting immunity. Ashcroft is currently “considering” the request.
What about Washington Democratic fund-raiser and socialite Beth Dozoretz, whose name has come up in connection with the case?
Beth Dozoretz, fund-raiser and FOB, was, according to TIME, skiing when she heard that Clinton was “impressed” by Rich’s case for a pardon. Dozoretz eagerly told skiing partner Denise Rich about the development, who called Marc Rich’s supporters in Israel, then Washington. Dozoretz is also a big contributor to the Clinton presidential library fund. As in Denise Rich’s case, congressional investigators want to know if there’s a trail leading straight from Dozoretz’s bountiful checkbook to Clinton’s signature on Marc Rich’s pardon.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmjake the fake, may I suggest you tackle a thread that is closer to your level of political sophistication.
Like the thread on FoxNews and the ham sandwich.
Of course, even that one might prove too much for you to handle.
(And you know where you can put your idiotic Ignore List)
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmNo more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
No more pretending to respect the law for terrorist supporting lunatic righties. That’s right Jake! Your attack on Plame aided the terrorists…
GO BUSH!!!
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Insert “TO JAIL”, and that more accurately states the situation for Bush, and professional criminals like yourself.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmAnyone else NOT on the Ignore List?
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
Poor cowardly Jake*ss. Doesn’t even have the b*lls to answer liberals, how does he plan to fight the terrorists? Oh wait, HE DOESN’T!!! Coward.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:53 pmEventually Bush will issue Libby a pardon. He won’t have to be in prison, poor little Scooter, while the appeals process is exhausted, etc.
The outcome of the appeals remains to occur, however. Unless Libby withdraws his appeals, the next BIG decision!?$
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:54 pmFtizgerald has performed, and continues to perform in a truly admirable manner. His work embodies the integrety and courage that we expect from our Justice Department prosecutors. He deserves tremendous respect.
Unfortunately, the Justice Department and Gonzales suffer from serious flaws that must not be eclipsed by the Libby commutation and events in London and Glascow. We must not take our eye off of the mass firings of US Attorneys, and role of Cheney, Rove, Gonzales and others in that fiasco. Rove & Cheney are machiavillian when it comes to the shiney penny practice of diverting attention from the critical issue to the flavor of the day. Absolutel, Libby’s commmuted sentence warrants outrage, and terrorist attacks overseas merit attention, however, opportunistically diverting attention from the Department of Justice plays directly into dub’ya’s m.o.
Focus, focus, focus. Unless we address the issues at the DoJ, Plame-like scandals will re-emerge with similar outcomes, we’ll not only never get out of Iraq, we’ll wake up ro the the fiasco that is Bush’s Iran, and voters’ rights will remain in jeopardy.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmIt’s good there are still a few men of Mr. Fitzgerald’s (genuine, old-school Republican) stature employed by the now rotting Department of Justice. But will he, or many of his ilk, still remain to clean up the mess in a post-Bush America? I sincerely hope so.
God bless you, Mr. Fitzgerald. You make me proud to be an American.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmLibby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmI didn’t seen any of you complain so much when Clinton set a pardon record including several hardened criminals.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:58 pmI think it is pretty obvious that the entire trial was a politically motivated sham in light of everything that came out afterwards. Bush did the right thing, the sentence was excesive and politcally motivated.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmHow could you ’see us’ complain about Clinton (Clinton, it’s ALWAYS Clinton), #25, in an era preceding sites like Truthout and the rise of the blogs? It would be IMPOSSIBLE, you nitwit.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmI agree with John Sacks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmI didn’t seen any of you complain so much when Clinton set a pardon record including several hardened criminals.
Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:01 pmSince Think Progress wasn’t around in 1992 I would be suprised if you had. I am sorry you only have the two talking points. Maybe Rove will send some more out via Rush, and Hannity tomorrow for you.
Sorry I meant 2001 there.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:02 pmClinton left in 2000 - the Internet was in full swing at that point - several political groups were very active online. You are just a late comer.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:02 pmComment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
Figures. Two peas in a pod. Same asinine arguments.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:02 pmLibby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Good Name? BAHAHAHAHA, now that’s funny! Libby doesn’t have a good name, neither do you. And his entire premise for *overturning* isn’t that he’s innocent, but that Fitzgerald didn’t have the authority to *investigate* and *prove* his guilt…
Yeah, that’ll clear everything up!
You’re a dum little sh*t Jake*ss - I’ll give you that! It’s definitely the only thing you seem to succeed at - being a lying, st*pid little sycophant!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:03 pmThere was never anything there. Libby was something to make the prosecuter save face with his political cohorts. This trail was a sham from day one.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:04 pmSo you were reading Think Progress in 2000?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:04 pmI think it is pretty obvious that the entire trial was a politically motivated sham in light of everything that came out afterwards. Bush did the right thing, the sentence was excesive and politcally motivated.
Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
BAHAHAHA, yeah, sure!!! Oh, you said *trial*, I thought you meant the attacks on Plame that outed a covert CIA operation, and put the nation at risk!
I agree with John Sacks.
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
And you’re both proof that sh*t tends to clump in the sewer.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:04 pmLibby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name.
Comment by Jake
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“Scooter” is a good name? Almost as bad as a boy named “Sue”.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmFor the record, the Court received HUNDREDS of letters from people attesting to his public service, sterling character, and GOOD NAME. 28 Bush haters sent in letters urging the Court to throw the book at Libby.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmFitzgerald is defending his case, that’s his job. What the heck should be so strange about that?
It’s nice to see that some (in fact many, not those who have been corrupted by the Bush administration) Federal officials take their jobs seriously.
The Bush Justice Department has devolved into a confused sewer of incompetence and corruption. That is the core issue that needs to be addressed.
Bush’s play with Libby is a minor but amusing side story.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmClinton left in 2000 - the Internet was in full swing at that point - several political groups were very active online. You are just a late comer. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
You mean like Drudge, the human closet piece of sludge?
Better a late comer, than a brain deader like you, b!tch.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmThere were hundreds of great newsgroups in that day, plenty of discussion gong on. That is the problem with you youngsters, you think the Internet was invented by Al Gore and is only a couple of years old.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmI wish that Clinton HAD left in 2000, preferably via a conviction vote in the U.S. Senate.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmJake,
HUNDREDS of letters? That’s all Focus on the Family could muster. I’d call that an abject failure.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmSeriously, back in that day there was good sicussion going on and actual debate without all the personal attacks. Then came the 2000 elections and the left went sick and discussion has not been civil since.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:08 pmLibby was something to make the prosecuter save face with his political cohorts.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:08 pmComment by John Sacks
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And of course you can readily provide us the name of just one of those “political cohorts” the Republican prosecutor Fitgerald was trying to “save face” with. Right?…Right?….Riiiiiight!!
LOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:09 pmThere were hundreds of great newsgroups in that day, plenty of discussion gong on. That is the problem with you youngsters, you think the Internet was invented by Al Gore and is only a couple of years old. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Al Gore never claimed to invent the internet, but Bush did claim that Jesus told him what to do. As for being a *youngster*, if you didn’t act like a poorly behaved 12 year old boy going through a bad case of puberty blue b*lls - you might be taken more seriously. Wingnut.
I wish that Clinton HAD left in 2000, preferably via a conviction vote in the U.S. Senate. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
So you want an innocent man to be convicted, while you want a convicted man to be pardoned?
BAHAHAA, you’re such a partisan little nazi sycophant!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:09 pmSeriously, back in that day there was good sicussion going on and actual debate without all the personal attacks. Then came the 2000 elections and the left went sick and discussion has not been civil since. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
Then you showed up…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 pmClinton clearly lied to the grand jury and obstructed justice — he was not innocent of those charges.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 pmThere won’t be any pardon for Bush or Cheney after their conviction at the Hague.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:11 pmNo commutation of sentence, just execution for their unrepentant war crimes.
For the record, the Court received HUNDREDS of letters from people attesting to his public service, sterling character, and GOOD NAME. 28 Bush haters sent in letters urging the Court to throw the book at Libby.
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Clear proof that the progressives, but not the neocons, wanted the FACTS to determine the outcome. Case dismissed (along with the lead “defense”).
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:11 pmLOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
But Ronuhld RayGun and George H Bush were… You forget that F*ckus within the family cut a deal with the neocons long ago - you extremist wingnuts are all part of the same “Al Qaeda” now…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmWealthy White Repuke Lawyer guys do NOT go to jail. IOKIYAR.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmLOL!!! Neither Bush nor Cheney will be executed for war crimes. Just like Pelosi and Reid won’t impeach them
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmClinton never washes behind his ears.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmPresident Bush has set the standard for your children. The next time you yell or lecture your children remember your President said: it’s ok to, LIE, STEAL JUSTICE, and most of all KILL YOUR CHILDREN.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pmTom3:
Marc Rich was not a “Repuke Lawyer” ; )
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pmThis corrupt administration does whatever the hell they want to do. The Constitution, the Bill of rights, the courts, the Senate and the Congress don’t have any power over them.
These liars and crooks have done more harm to our democracy than a couple of lowlifes with bombs could ever do! Republicans be careful..Be very careful. Bush isn’t always going to be President..He and his corrupt Klan have opened the door for the next president to go even further than he has gone when it comes to disregarding:
The will of the people
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pmThe Constitution
The Bill Of Rights
Court verdicts
The Senate
Congress
Clinton clearly lied to the grand jury and obstructed justice — he was not innocent of those charges. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
For the record, everyone is innocent until proven guilt in a court of law in the US.
For the record, Clinton was not proven guilty, and was not convicted of a crime.
For the record, Libby was.
For the record Jake*ss, you’re such a little Nazi, pansy boy. You really should take off Hoover’s second hand dresses, you’re too fat for them…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pmMarc Rich was not a “Repuke Lawyer†; )
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
Prove it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmUmm, John Sacks, have you thought it possible that the Clinton hijinks were minor compared to Bush’s hideous crimes and miscarriages of justice and foreign policy disaster?
Yes, an energetic Congress, led by Speaker Newt Gingrich (who was adulterously screwing a Congressional assistant), managed to impeach Clinton. Clinton shouldn’t have lied about his own screwing around, we can all agree I suppose.
But to compare Clinton’s pecadillos to Bush’s high crimes and misdemeaners, that is the height of absurdity. Such phallic nonsense is just that.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmI can’t wait to see Bush and Cheney, et al, swinging from a gallows at the Hague. Hope they leave the bodies up so the crows peck out their eyes.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmrainlillie:
The power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmThe power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
The power to find the president innocent of impeachment is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
Nazi f*cker.
For the record Jake*ss, there are lots of powers in the constitution that can be abused - and those can result in impeachment - especially if they involve a coverup that Congress decides to investigate.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:16 pmJudge affirms ruling to dismiss Gitmo charges
Story Highlights:
Judge previously dropped charges against Gitmo prisoner.
Prisoner accused of killing U.S. soldier in 2001.
Judge says prisoner cannot be held; court does not have jurisdiction to try him.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A military judge on Friday rejected the Pentagon’s request to reinstate previously dismissed charges against a prisoner accused of killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan in 2001, officials said.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmJake is right about one thing: Pelosi and Reid will never impeach. The only ones who might are Republicans desperate to rehabilitate their party and save their nation. Bush is the best marketing tool the Dems have ever had (they can win while doing, essentially, nothing) while Bush is like a sinking ship, sucking down those associated with him in a vicious undertow.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmThe judge in the Libby case should complete a signing statement indicating that he would not go along with the commutation and send the baliffs to take Libby directly to jail tomorrow.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmLOL!!! Neither Bush nor Cheney will be executed for war crimes. Just like Pelosi and Reid won’t impeach them Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Ah, the crystal ball of the resident gypsy.
While that’s your *opinion*, it’s just that - Jake*ss.
It’s unlikely any president would be killed - too true. But as for getting impeached, your *boy*, is as belligerent, poorly behaved, and as poorly mannered as you are. Sooner or later people get tired of him sh*tting on dinner - as we’re all sick of your childish prattle…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:18 pmClinton spits on the sidewalk.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 pmJake:
LOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.
LOL and rolling on the floor. Wolfowitz and Kissinger!
Maybe Dobsins flock recognized that they were on the side of Wolfowitz and Kissinger . . . decided to sit this one out : )
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 pmClinton is a sorry, sneaky bastard. Fine.
He may get back in the White House. It makes me happy to scare the trolls. But in reality, it’s not good.
I elect “Bernie” from Weekend at Bernie’s, the movie.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmThugs of a crime family…Dubya, Cheney et al.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmI pledge allegiance to the Flag,
Of the Due-blighted States of America,
and to the Republicans for richer stands.
One nation, under guard-invisible,
With libertine injustice for all.
Amen
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 pmHi Zooey,
What’s up this evening? I hope Jake isn’t letting his diaper show too much.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 pmLast I checked, the U.S. Marshalls AND the Bureau of Prisons are within the Executive, not Judicial, branch. Good luck with your gallows too.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:22 pmThe power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
Funny you should now try to hide behind the constitution, to justify the illegal, immoral acts of this administration.
These Bush cultists use the constitution in the same way Bible literalits use the Bible: They cherrypick what’s convenient to them and ignore the rest -like Habeas Corpus, and due process.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:24 pm“There won’t be any pardon for Bush or Cheney after their conviction at the Hague.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:24 pmNo commutation of sentence, just execution for their unrepentant war crimes.” —- For one thing, and this is where Conservatives really differ from Liberals — The US is a Sovereign nation and the Hague can go fuck itself. It is you bastarsds that want to submit to the socialist idiots in Europe - amazing.
I remember there was a time when Republicans actually believed in the rule of law…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:24 pmEven during wartime, the President still has the power to pardon.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:25 pmTed Haggard for Mayor of DC. He can be Hottub Ted, on the Potomac.
Even though he’s dead, Johnney Cocheran for Attorney General.
Mike Tyson for Sec. of Defense.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:25 pm“It is time for the American people to be heard - I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law.” - Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 pmJake what does the pardon have to do with wartime? The President can pardon you too. I can’t wait until this Bozo is out of office.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 pmPresidential Pardons are WITHIN the Rule of Law. If anyone NOT on the Ignore List doesn’t understand that, let me know.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 pmThe right to do something does not make doing it right.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:27 pmIt takes a jake to confuse a village.
I’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:29 pmPresidential Pardons are WITHIN the Rule of Law. If anyone NOT on the Ignore List doesn’t understand that, let me know. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
But obstructing justice isn’t. If the sentence was designed to encourage the party to provide additional testimony (typical of criminal cases), then by pardoning Libby Bush as in fact obstructed justice.
For the record.
I’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Poor st*pid little b!tch! A *compromise* involves an agreement where all parties agree. You really should buy a dictionary, your *elmo* edition makes you look dum, du dum, dum
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:31 pmLast I checked, the U.S. Marshalls AND the Bureau of Prisons are within the Executive, not Judicial, branch. Good luck with your gallows too. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
But an impeached president is *not* within the executive branch - Jake*ss.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmSince I posted this at the close of the last thread, and since Jake, John Sacks, and numerous other trolls are pleasuring each other over this news, humor me and let me be redundant:
Bush:
“I respect the jury’s verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby’s sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison.”
Then explain how you feel about the harsh sentencing of former Governor Don Siegelman (D-AL) after your favorite piglet, known to us as Rove, did a hatchet job on the man.
http://www.time.com/ time/ nation/ article/ 0,8599,1627427,00.html?xid=rss-nation
Now the man is sentenced to over seven years in prison and has to pay a fine of $500,000.00
All because he was in your and Rove’s way during an election.
http://harpers.org/archive/2007/06/hbc-90000402
No doubt your sycophantic boot-lickers will grovel all day to defend your mockery of American justice and the death of America.
Today’s Republican: the only thing that separates them from Al Qaeda is the name of the god they declare to worship (hint: the Republicans worship mammon).
.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmEven during wartime, the President still has the power to pardon.
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Yeah, I’m sure Hitler would have pardoned all of his henchmen too. You’re a little Nazi - Jake*ss.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:33 pmOk I read it.
It was an excellent, professional citation of established law. There is no political bias. You can feel the justice in that statement.
Everyone knows this President is a child.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:33 pmSure, Clinton’s Oval Office indiscretions didn’t reflect well on the presidency. But, get a grip. Two consenting adults and only a true pinhead would argue that it was the first time the Oval Office had hosted such action.
Hardly the high crime that merits impeachment.
On the otherhand, outing a CIA agent (HWB asserted that this was among the vilest acts of treason), fabricating evidence to launch a war against a sovereign nation that had essentially stopped its nonsense against us), rigging elections, ignoring threats from a known terrorist entity (who could possibly have envisioned? Well, just about anyone with any memory or creative capacity), abandoning the Gulf Coast as its citizens drowned and made new friends in the Super Dome), and so on and so on and so on. Lets see, a little action in the OO vs. 3,560+ and counting dead . . . who deserves impeachment? Maybe, if his sentence hadn’t been commuted, he could have shared.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:34 pmre#82 Jake
When it comes to the CRIME that the president was ALREADY convicted of, can he pardon himself?
You know when that Federal judge ruled that he broke the FISA law!
Is that within your idea of “rule of law”?
Oh, I forget that you want to forget that happened!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 pmHi Zooey,
What’s up this evening? I hope Jake isn’t letting his diaper show too much.
Comment by ForTruth
Not much. Pretty quiet day overall.
Did you know that one time Clinton stubbed his toe on the bed and said a naughty word?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 pmGeorge Sr.:
“I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.â€
Guess what, George, your delinquent son just let a traitor go free!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:36 pmI’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise.
Comment by Jake
______________________
It’s a compromise, all right. A compromising of justice. A compromising of the intelligence community. A compromising of separation of powers.
BTW, Jake, just because I am apparently on your “Ignore List” does not mean I don’t exist. Haven’t you passed the developmental stage of recognizing object permanence yet?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:36 pmRepuke trolls: “B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!”
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:38 pmWhat I’d be interested in is how many pardons/commutations have been granted for people who have worked for the president. I think that fact moves this into a realm beyond what we know as a pardon. Anyone know? I’m sure it’s happened, but I’m so beside myself I can’t think.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 pmRepuke trolls: “B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!â€
Comment by Tom3
Clinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:40 pmClinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.
Comment by Zooey
*gasp*
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:40 pmGeorge Senior is ecstatic that this criminal was set free.
After all, they ALL work for the Bush Crime Family, which is the holding company for the DEA and the CIA, and “Global Terror, Defense & Oil Holdings, inc.” - a division of Rockefeller Enterprises, which is itself a division of Royal Crown Holdings under the House of Bilderberg World Holdings.
David Rockefeller is laughing his ass off at the way he has effectively neutered this constitutional republic.
Congress is completely irrelevant.
Be sure to thank Israel and its spies in the White House and Congress for destroying your country.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:41 pmClinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.
Comment by Zooey
I bet he doesn’t put the cap on the toothpast either..
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmScooter is a traitor.
30 months was nowhere near enough.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmI don’t think Clinton sucked up a boatload of cocaine, but I’m not sure.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 pmThe witch hunt went after Rove and Cheny to no avail. They tried and tried and tried again to get something, anything - and nothing. Then on his umteenth testimony in his umteenth cross examination they got something a little different, enough to throw the raw meet to the liberal media who ran wild through the streets. Funny thing is that since this entire thing started, as it turns out, noone outed the little media whore but herself and her husband - but since scooter “lied under oath” he takes the hit. Then they give him the maximum sentence and no chance to sit out while on appeal - like he is a flight risk or something. Bush did the right thing in commuting the sentence (not a pardon) so that he can appeal this nonsense from home.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 pmRumor has it, when Bush leaves and strokes his last pardons, that he might pardon both Clintons.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:45 pm#
http://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm
Comment by Veritass — July 2, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
I see the Megaphone-enabled trolls are here celebrating in force, in this case, stealing a screen name by adding an extra letter to the handle of Veritas.
Here comes the full court Zionist Press - right here before you very eyes.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:45 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm - The Slickster set a record with pardons I believe.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmScooter is a traitor.
30 months was nowhere near enough.
Comment by Tom3 — July 2, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Exactly right! But I still think he was “assistant traitor”, or “traitor in training”, or “sycophant to the traitor”, or.. I could keep going with this..
I want them to take down the main ‘traitor’ guy. The lurker. The shadow president (or co-president). The bad-aim shooter. The Cheney.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmNot sure what he would pardon either clinton for, since they haven’t been convicted of any crimes, unlike Mr. Libby.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmThanks John,
I think that’s fine. It’s time for someone in politics to just grow up. No more witch hunts, no more Kenn Starrs, or Patrick Leahys.
I think all this nonsense must come to an end.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:48 pmI’ve already sent the White House my e-mail….
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Why waste your time you back-room White House roadie?
Don’t you know that as soon as it’s received, it’s deleted?
Oh… No. You don’t.
You watch FOX.
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July 2nd, 2007 at 9:48 pmDon’t forget: this guy isn’t really President. So he can’t commute anything.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:50 pmHow much ya wanna bet Fitzgerald is asked to resign next (code word for fired by this WH). They will of course say they have been planning it for some time in order to give someone else a chance at the spot..
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:53 pm
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:54 pmFULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
Now is a prefect time to tell our representatives to impeach. There is still a lot of time left for Bush to inflict tremendous harm.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 pmHe deserves a full pardon.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:56 pmI think Libby deserved to share a cell. With Cheney. For a long… long, long….., long, long, LONG time..
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:59 pmClinton knows the definition of acerebralist.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 pmClinton likes to go to sumo.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:01 pmSupporting our undercover CIA agents
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:01 pmBe sure to thank Israel and its spies in the White House and Congress for destroying your country.
Comment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
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(A)rabs
(C)onspire
(E)vil
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BUSH… LIBBY… The JOOOOooooOOOOoooooOS…
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmClinton likes showers better than baths.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmIn the end, Libby will profit from the whole experience, through book deals or gifts.
What does a president have to do to get IMPEACHED?
Bush cares more about Libby’s family’s suffering than about dead soldiers’ families’ suffering.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmClinton knows the definition of acerebralist.
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
A quick follow-up and then I’m off to get some sleep.
I told an intelligent co-worker about the “contest” last night for the new name, and as soon as I said my entry, she started laughing. She got it immediately. Good night, Z.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:08 pmI don’t think Clinton sucked up a boatload of cocaine, but I’m not sure.
Comment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
Dude, he stuck a cigar inside Monica…
Yeah, he was into coke.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:09 pmNow is a prefect time to tell our representatives to impeach. There is still a lot of time left for Bush to inflict tremendous harm.
Comment by midwestblue — July 2, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
Impeach?
Why?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:10 pmLibby still has to face civil justice. The conviction won’t be overturned before the civil case goes to court.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:11 pm“B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!â€
Comment by Tom3 — July 2, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
He sure did, Tommy-boy, he sure did.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmHow about Irv Skater Libby.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Spot on Rachel imitation. Congrats.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmClinton spits on the sidewalk.
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
That’s disgusting and I believe illegal in some areas.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmYeah, already. Clinton was STUPID to have sex (consentually though wrong) with someone in the oval office (or off in a closet, or wherever..) STUPID. Hello,.. stupid. He didn’t lie about going to a war based on manufactured evidence where LOTS of people died. He lied about having SEX to avoid embarrassment.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmYeah, those are the same..
Spot on Rachel imitation. Congrats.
Comment by barfly — July 2, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
Thank you.
But that was an “ace” imitation.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmThe JOOOOooooOOOOoooooOS…
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Why do you think they call it Jew-Lie the 4th?
*snerk*
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:16 pmAhem.
Bush is a lying, trifling, coniving, nancy-boy, idiot, coke head, drunk of a coward who has NEVER done ANYTHING to make even
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 pmhis tawdry, heartless, spoiled rat of a mother proud. The End.
Why do you think they call it Jew-Lie the 4th?
*snerk*
Comment by barfly — July 2, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
Let me guess…
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 pm!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
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She got it immediately. Good night, Z.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I’ve got it, too. :)
Clinton sometimes leaves a room without turning off the light.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:18 pm“But that was an “ace†imitation.”
Comment by Mr. President
I don’t see it.
But Rachel was always big on crappy keystroke “art,” just like your example.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:19 pmClinton once wore one brown sock and one black sock.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmNice to see that all of the Megahphone Troll’s postings go through instantaneously, while those not representing the interests of Israel are censored.
How “Progressive!”
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmClinton likes crappy keystroke art.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pm!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
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Comment by Mr. President
Rachel would be proud …
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmNice to see that all of the Megahphone Troll’s postings go through instantaneously, while those not representing the interests of Israel are censored.
How “Progressive!â€
Comment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:21 pm!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!A*C*E*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
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You know, I have found that whenever someone runs out of answers, they immediately jump on the “conspiracy” attack wagon. If you call someone a “conspiracy theorist”, then you think you can just use that to dismiss what they have to say. I have come to the conclusion that it is a lame defense. LAME. It is nothing but smoke.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:22 pmIt is nothing but smoke.
Comment by JG — July 2, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Actually it’s crappy keystroke art…
and in case you didn’t know…
Clinton likes it!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:23 pmJake -
Can’t stop LOL. Wolfowitz and Kissinger, can you add Haggard, Abramhoff, Rummy and McCarthy (oh yeah, he’s dead) to your list of illuminaries supporting pardons for patrons?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:23 pmMr. President:
How many diefferent identities will you be employing here in this thread tonight?
How’s the weather in Israel?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:24 pmMr. Excrement, sir?
If I could have a moment of your time, sir.
Words cannot express the sheer and utter disgust with which I view your lack of morals, your contempt for the foundations of the rule of law upon which our democracy is founded, and, frankly, your amazing lack of wisdom.
You continue to display a total lack of sophistication, a dearth of creativity, and seem to be functioning on a rather low tech version of an autopilot, akin to tying the steering wheel to the door handle, and jamming an ice scraper between the dash and the gas pedal.
Day after day you blabber and blurt utter nonsense, respond to suggestions and viewpoints with inane spewings, and in general, display the characteristics of a 20 something slacker from Fritch.
Sir.
(Huh, I guess the Seconal finally kicked in. Takes more and more of them as time wears on…..
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:24 pmGood night, sir.)
Clinton likes to fly on airplanes with Chimpy’s dad.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
Would you care to elaborate?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmYou could stick a cigar into Monica and not be on coke. I cold.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:31 pmI think I will go make a pitcher of margaritas and get myself a REALLY long straw to celebrate the wonderful goings on of today..
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:32 pmNight..
Chimpy let Jeffy Lube Gannon stick something in him.
And it wasn’t a cigar.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 pmYou all do know that Bill Clinton was actually the person who dropped Valerie Plame’s name. Bill is in fact conducting an experiment for the CIA. They have developed technology that makes a person invisible and Bill was the one picked for the new tech. Bill was infact in the WH when Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Addington, and Scooter were talking about Joe Wilson’s op-ed. Bill actually went and physically opened Dick’s mouth kind of like a ventriquolist and stated that they should all leak Valerie Plames name. And then he picked the phone and put it int o Scooters hand and dialed Time magazines number and caused Scooter to spill the beans. Then he moved onto Judy Miller and Tim Russert. So you see it’s all Bill’s fault. Scooter is innocent.Poor baby Scooter. His reputation is ruined even though Rupert is going to offer him a seven figure book deal.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 pmAs a matter of fact Mr. President, it almost seems as though you might consider sex with a female potentially “icky”?
Hmmmm.
Care to share?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 pmComment #134 also holds true for Cheney, except add souless, unintelligent, psychotic, ogre of a monster, piece of shriveled up dickwad, with the tiniest tiniest set of balls imaginable. The end.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 pmComment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
Sure, potentially “icky” I’d say that.
That’s what showers and condoms are for.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 pmHumm - Zooey punches in when Jake punches out. Sure hope this isn’t a Hatch Act violation.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmThese attempts to justify Bush’s commutation by saying Bill Clinton did the same thing annoy the heck out me.
If Clinton kicked his dog, then it’s okay for Bush to kick his dog.
Clinton may well have done things that sucked. And you may think that makes ALL Democrats hypocrites (even those who were disappinted with Clinton) and perhaps it’s this hypocrisy that you’re relishing in. But, the reverse is also true. How can you condemn what Clinton did, and then rejoice when Bush does the same (or at least a similar) thing?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmWhat’s Jeff Gannon’s astrological sign?
Lube-ra
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmShowers and condoms sounds like the name of a gay spa.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:38 pmWasn’t the whole Bush Jr. and Co. agenda/line basically that they would restore honor and dignity and VALUES to the White House after (according to them) Clinton dirtied it up? If that’s the case why are they making excuses for their actions by saying that Clinton did it too? Shouldn’t they be trying to do BETTER/be better morally than Clinton, according to the platform that they ran on?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmActually that was pretty funny John Sacks
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmJohn it sounds just like something Mr. Presidunt would say.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmI will never understand these defenders of Bush and the NWO. Do they really think they benefit from any of these decisions and the impact they will have on us for a long,long time? How is their life better by the coward Scooter not going to Club Fed? Yet they all screamed that Martha Stewart better serve her full term.Is their only motivation that there be no gay marriage? No death tax that wouldn’t apply to them anyway? The list goes on.
It’s like a sporting competition to them for chrissakes! They think they “win” by this decision but they are very,very wrong.
I shudder to think what is next.
“The Constitution is what 5 Supreme Court Justices say it is.”
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmNoone is making excuses for anyone. The trial against Libby was a witch hunt and he didn’t deserve the sentence he received, which was complete excesive and politically motivated, so the President commuted the sentence. Plain and simple and well within the rights of the President - even if Clint claimed that he did not have sex with that woman.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pmShowers and condoms sounds like the name of a gay spa.
Comment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
No, you’re thinking of The Dirty Cigar.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pm#160 Oh yeah, we were all anxiously awaiting the moment when homophobia would rear its lovely head. Elevating the conversation to new heights. . .
Does this site have any sort of gatekeeper?
I am the wind . . . out.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 pmJohn Sacks:
Define this:
“A jury of one’s peers”
What is our system of laws if it is not bound to the findings of such a body?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 pmWas the infamous cigar from Cuba?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmGOPers on TP and in the media/press are trashing Fitzgerald, but he is a fellow Republican, so they are eating each other now and not pretty.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmI like to be reminded Fitzgerald is Republican.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmJury of one’s peers - like OJ right?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:45 pmJohn Sacks:
Please expand on YOUR definition of the following terms/words: excessive, witch hunt, politically motivated, excuses.
Thanks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmYeah, I spent months in the slammer covering his warty ass, and he gets a commutation…
Where’s my medal of freedom?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmJustice for money system folks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 pmClinton likes showers better than baths.
Comment by Zooey
I don’t even like Hillary. All the money I’ve donated has been to Edwards. But just to spite these rat bastard trolls I’m going to vote for Clinton just to drive their furry little asses crazy.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 pm#160 Wow.
ForShame, ForTruth.
I had no idea that you were turning this into a debate about homos.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 pmThis is why the po’ go to the stinker. Justice for money.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 pmOj’s jury did not feel they had enough evidence to convict. Scooter’s did.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 pmJury of one’s peers - like OJ right?
Nope, NOT the same.
Libby got CONVICTED of 4 FELONIES…
He is a TRAITOR to the USA.
But so are Bush, Cheney and the REST of their WAR CRIMINALS.
May they BURN IN HELL FOR THEIR GENOCIDE.
They definitely do NOT follow the Wor