Fitzgerald to continue with appeals process for Libby.
Fitzgerald to continue with appeals process for Libby.
The Next Hurrah has a statement from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s spokesperson:
We fully recognize that the Constitution provides that commutation decisions are a matter of presidential prerogative and we do not comment on the exercise of that prerogative.
We comment only on the statement in which the President termed the sentence imposed by the judge as “excessive.” The sentence in this case was imposed pursuant to the laws governing sentencings which occur every day throughout this country. In this case, an experienced federal judge considered extensive argument from the parties and then imposed a sentence consistent with the applicable laws. It is fundamental to the rule of law that all citizens stand before the bar of justice as equals. That principle guided the judge during both the trial and the sentencing.
Although the President’s decision eliminates Mr. Libby’s sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process.
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July 2nd, 2007 at 8:35 pmAnyone else think that Bush did this – for all the reasons stated thus far – plus because he needed to shore up his reputation among the conservatives who went totally against him on the immigration bill. He knows that his reputation among the general public is already in the toilet but at the very least he can’t alienate his acolytes as well so this is a way to distract them from their displeasure regarding immigration.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:35 pmBush 2000 Flashback:
“So when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not only uphold the laws of our land, I will swear to uphold the honor and dignity of the office to which I have been elected, so help me God.”
“In my administration, we will ask not only what is legal but what is right. Not just what the lawyers allow, but what the public deserves.”
For the history, see:
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:37 pm“Neither Right Nor Legal: Libby and the Bush 2000 Standard.”
Put another nail in the coffin of Justice.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:40 pmBush did it because he can, he has nothing to lose, and he doesn’t give a crap anymore.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:43 pmNo matter what happens, Bush will pardon Scooter right before he leaves office.
But good men like Fitzgerald have to keep swinging away, to preserve at least a little of this nation’s dignity in the face of corrupt power-mongers and their army of inbred rednecks
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:43 pmvote on Bush’s decision here
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:44 pmFitz is doing his job. He’s a good man.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:44 pmNo more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:46 pmI think the real hope, was scooter would sing like a canary to stay out of prison. I am betting there are far more skeletons that scooter is hiding, then just the few he had to admit to.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:48 pmGO BUSH!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:48 pmThere’s one person who’s been tried and CONVICTED of felony crimes who will not do jail time while HUNDREDS of people who haven’t even been charged with a crime sit in prison.
Fairness in the eyes of republicans. Doesn’t anyone who’s happy about this realize how much it diminishes the “Rule of Law”? No, if you’re happy about it, you have no respect for “Rule of Law”.
Just another exasperating day of Bizzaro World Hypocritical Bush Presidency. How much longer till this nightmare ends?
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:49 pmRandall is only speaking of the law and how it was applied equally to all Americans. Now we see Bush is above the law and Judges don’t count. Yes the rest of us aren’t good Americans just Americans. Convicted felons and child molesters that are Republicans are free from going to jail because their good Americans who just happen to commit crimes but don’t have to pay the price like everyone else. Fitzgerald might want to take his talents overseas because the US doesn’t have a Justice System that is equally. Crimes does pay in America now. Who would have thought that President Bush would be worse then Saddam.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:50 pmNo more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.
Still bitter about that stunning defeat in the last election, eh Jake? Poor widdle baby. Why don’t you go to the nearest schoolyard and push some kids around. Maybe that’ll make you feel better about no one having any respect for you, whore.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmWhile all of you Piss and Moaning Liberals are Bitching about the commutation of Libby’s Sentence lets not forget the Pardons by Bill Clinton , Hell Bill was in such a Hurry for a Donation to his Presidential House Trailer Library from Marc Rich’s Wife that he did not even bother for the man to get Convicted. who was Marc Rich you ask ? just read the link .
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99302,00.html
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmAnyone else NOT on the Ignore List?
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmPresident Clinton’s eleventh-hour pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich has sparked a firestorm of controversy, launching investigations in both houses of Congress and igniting fierce protest from both Democrats and Republicans. The U.S. House and Senate have issued a rash of subpoenas calling for witnesses as well as financial records, as the House Government Reform Committee continued its hearings and the Senate Judiciary Committee geared up for its own proceedings.
Thursday, the controversy took another step forward — no, we’re not at impeachment yet, but it’s been suggested — when federal prosecutors in New York officially opened a criminal investigation into whether Rich did indeed buy his pardon with his ex-wife Denise’s pointed largesse to the First Couple and the Democratic party.
That prompted Dan Burton, chairman and lead Clinton-hunter on the House Government Affairs Committee’s ongoing investigation into the matter, to put on hold his request to the Justice Department to give Denise Rich immunity in exchange for her testimony. Rich has already declined to testify, citing her Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.
As with almost everything relating to the former president, the Marc Rich pardon case raises a lot of questions. Some answers will surface only after all the Capitol Hill witnesses are heard and the U.S. Attorney’s office does its thing. Others, happily, we can answer here and now.
First of all, what does it mean to be “pardoned” by the President?
In legal terms, a pardon in an exemption from punishment for a criminal conviction. Presidential pardons are granted unilaterally and cannot be reversed.
So what’s the point of all these hearings?
Some are calling the inquiries a field day for die-hard Clinton-haters. But most see this as a source of bipartisan outrage. Republicans and Democrats alike were dumbstruck by the Rich pardon. The federal prosecutors who indicted Rich are especially livid, particularly because, by definition, Rich appears to be ineligible for a pardon: He never took responsibility for his actions or served any sentence.
The congressional panels were called to investigate the path to Rich’s pardon — which, as various documents seem to indicate, did not follow usual channels. In testimony Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee, U.S. pardon attorney Roger Adams says when the White House sent over Rich’s name for pardon consideration — only a few hours before the President was due to leave office — there was never any mention of Rich being a fugitive. There is also suspicion that donations made to Clinton campaigns and to the Clinton presidential library by Rich’s ex-wife, Denise, could be a quid pro quo for the pardon.
There are other questions looming: Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, asked whether Clinton even had time to sign all of the paperwork required to seal Rich’s pardon before he left office — raising the possibility that the pardon may not be valid. Specter has also floated the idea of a constitutional amendment giving congressional oversight to presidential pardons.
Will Clinton be brought in to testify about the pardon?
It doesn’t look like it. Senator Orrin Hatch, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has indicated he’s interested in having Clinton appear to “clear the air,” but says he doesn’t believe the former president should be forced to testify.
How does President Bush feel about the Rich pardon inquiries?
Bush has been quoted as saying he thinks “it’s time to move on,” and by all accounts has little interest in pursuing any investigation that keeps his predecessor in the national spotlight.
What was Marc Rich’s alleged crime?
In 1983, Rich was indicted in federal court of evading more than $48 million in taxes. He was also charged with 51 counts of tax fraud and with running illegal oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis.
So does the pardon mean that if Rich leaves Switzerland (where he’s been living for 17 years and seems quite happy to stay) and comes back to the U.S., that he won’t face any legal proceedings at all?
Possibly. He’s free of any criminal charges in connection with the case, but Rich can still be charged in civil court on, say, tax evasion charges. In fact, when Clinton finally signed off on Rich’s pardon, the President stipulated that Rich waive the statute of limitations normally placed on as yet unspecified civil charges.
Rich has been living in Switzerland for almost 20 years now. Is he still a U.S. citizen?
That’s one of the major questions connected with this case. And the answer, legally, anyway, appears to be yes. While Rich’s lawyers can’t seem to decide if their client is a citizen — sometimes he is, sometimes he isn’t — and Rich himself reportedly considers himself a citizen of Israel and Spain, a federal appeals court ruled in 1991 that Rich had not actively renounced his U.S. citizenship, and therefore he was subject to U.S. law.
Why does his citizenship matter?
If Rich is, in fact, still a U.S. citizen, he’s liable for taxes, no matter where he lives. So the IRS wants to know if Rich filed taxes for 17 years he spent abroad — and the congressional panel is investigating whether Rich’s money made it back to Bill and Hillary Clinton; non-citizens are not permitted to make political contributions.
What does Denise Rich have to do with all this?
Marc Rich’s socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton’s successful Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also lobbied heavily for Marc’s pardon. Investigators want to know if Denise’s contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her ex-husband’s pardon. Clinton has denied any connection, saying he relied solely on the information provided by Jack Quinn (former White House counsel and Rich’s current lawyer) when he was weighing the pardon request.
What happens to Denise Rich now?
Last week, when she was called to testify before the congressional panel, she took the Fifth (the amendment to the Constitution that allows potential witnesses to decline testimony out of fear that they might incriminate themselves). Now the same House panel wants to offer Rich immunity in order to discuss her ex-husband’s case. House Republicans want approval from Attorney General John Ashcroft before granting immunity. Ashcroft is currently “considering” the request.
What about Washington Democratic fund-raiser and socialite Beth Dozoretz, whose name has come up in connection with the case?
Beth Dozoretz, fund-raiser and FOB, was, according to TIME, skiing when she heard that Clinton was “impressed” by Rich’s case for a pardon. Dozoretz eagerly told skiing partner Denise Rich about the development, who called Marc Rich’s supporters in Israel, then Washington. Dozoretz is also a big contributor to the Clinton presidential library fund. As in Denise Rich’s case, congressional investigators want to know if there’s a trail leading straight from Dozoretz’s bountiful checkbook to Clinton’s signature on Marc Rich’s pardon.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmjake the fake, may I suggest you tackle a thread that is closer to your level of political sophistication.
Like the thread on FoxNews and the ham sandwich.
Of course, even that one might prove too much for you to handle.
(And you know where you can put your idiotic Ignore List)
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmNo more Fitzmas mornings for the looney left.
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
No more pretending to respect the law for terrorist supporting lunatic righties. That’s right Jake! Your attack on Plame aided the terrorists…
GO BUSH!!!
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Insert “TO JAIL”, and that more accurately states the situation for Bush, and professional criminals like yourself.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmAnyone else NOT on the Ignore List?
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
Poor cowardly Jake*ss. Doesn’t even have the b*lls to answer liberals, how does he plan to fight the terrorists? Oh wait, HE DOESN’T!!! Coward.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:53 pmEventually Bush will issue Libby a pardon. He won’t have to be in prison, poor little Scooter, while the appeals process is exhausted, etc.
The outcome of the appeals remains to occur, however. Unless Libby withdraws his appeals, the next BIG decision!?$
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:54 pmFtizgerald has performed, and continues to perform in a truly admirable manner. His work embodies the integrety and courage that we expect from our Justice Department prosecutors. He deserves tremendous respect.
Unfortunately, the Justice Department and Gonzales suffer from serious flaws that must not be eclipsed by the Libby commutation and events in London and Glascow. We must not take our eye off of the mass firings of US Attorneys, and role of Cheney, Rove, Gonzales and others in that fiasco. Rove & Cheney are machiavillian when it comes to the shiney penny practice of diverting attention from the critical issue to the flavor of the day. Absolutel, Libby’s commmuted sentence warrants outrage, and terrorist attacks overseas merit attention, however, opportunistically diverting attention from the Department of Justice plays directly into dub’ya’s m.o.
Focus, focus, focus. Unless we address the issues at the DoJ, Plame-like scandals will re-emerge with similar outcomes, we’ll not only never get out of Iraq, we’ll wake up ro the the fiasco that is Bush’s Iran, and voters’ rights will remain in jeopardy.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmIt’s good there are still a few men of Mr. Fitzgerald’s (genuine, old-school Republican) stature employed by the now rotting Department of Justice. But will he, or many of his ilk, still remain to clean up the mess in a post-Bush America? I sincerely hope so.
God bless you, Mr. Fitzgerald. You make me proud to be an American.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmLibby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmI didn’t seen any of you complain so much when Clinton set a pardon record including several hardened criminals.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:58 pmI think it is pretty obvious that the entire trial was a politically motivated sham in light of everything that came out afterwards. Bush did the right thing, the sentence was excesive and politcally motivated.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmHow could you ’see us’ complain about Clinton (Clinton, it’s ALWAYS Clinton), #25, in an era preceding sites like Truthout and the rise of the blogs? It would be IMPOSSIBLE, you nitwit.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmI agree with John Sacks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmI didn’t seen any of you complain so much when Clinton set a pardon record including several hardened criminals.
Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:01 pmSince Think Progress wasn’t around in 1992 I would be suprised if you had. I am sorry you only have the two talking points. Maybe Rove will send some more out via Rush, and Hannity tomorrow for you.
Sorry I meant 2001 there.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:02 pmClinton left in 2000 – the Internet was in full swing at that point – several political groups were very active online. You are just a late comer.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:02 pmComment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
Figures. Two peas in a pod. Same asinine arguments.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:02 pmLibby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Good Name? BAHAHAHAHA, now that’s funny! Libby doesn’t have a good name, neither do you. And his entire premise for *overturning* isn’t that he’s innocent, but that Fitzgerald didn’t have the authority to *investigate* and *prove* his guilt…
Yeah, that’ll clear everything up!
You’re a dum little sh*t Jake*ss – I’ll give you that! It’s definitely the only thing you seem to succeed at – being a lying, st*pid little sycophant!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:03 pmThere was never anything there. Libby was something to make the prosecuter save face with his political cohorts. This trail was a sham from day one.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:04 pmSo you were reading Think Progress in 2000?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:04 pmI think it is pretty obvious that the entire trial was a politically motivated sham in light of everything that came out afterwards. Bush did the right thing, the sentence was excesive and politcally motivated.
Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
BAHAHAHA, yeah, sure!!! Oh, you said *trial*, I thought you meant the attacks on Plame that outed a covert CIA operation, and put the nation at risk!
I agree with John Sacks.
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
And you’re both proof that sh*t tends to clump in the sewer.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:04 pmLibby is going to continue the appeals process too (just not in jail) to clear his conviction and good name.
Comment by Jake
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“Scooter” is a good name? Almost as bad as a boy named “Sue”.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmFor the record, the Court received HUNDREDS of letters from people attesting to his public service, sterling character, and GOOD NAME. 28 Bush haters sent in letters urging the Court to throw the book at Libby.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmFitzgerald is defending his case, that’s his job. What the heck should be so strange about that?
It’s nice to see that some (in fact many, not those who have been corrupted by the Bush administration) Federal officials take their jobs seriously.
The Bush Justice Department has devolved into a confused sewer of incompetence and corruption. That is the core issue that needs to be addressed.
Bush’s play with Libby is a minor but amusing side story.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmClinton left in 2000 – the Internet was in full swing at that point – several political groups were very active online. You are just a late comer. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
You mean like Drudge, the human closet piece of sludge?
Better a late comer, than a brain deader like you, b!tch.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:05 pmThere were hundreds of great newsgroups in that day, plenty of discussion gong on. That is the problem with you youngsters, you think the Internet was invented by Al Gore and is only a couple of years old.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmI wish that Clinton HAD left in 2000, preferably via a conviction vote in the U.S. Senate.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmJake,
HUNDREDS of letters? That’s all Focus on the Family could muster. I’d call that an abject failure.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:07 pmSeriously, back in that day there was good sicussion going on and actual debate without all the personal attacks. Then came the 2000 elections and the left went sick and discussion has not been civil since.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:08 pmLibby was something to make the prosecuter save face with his political cohorts.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:08 pmComment by John Sacks
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And of course you can readily provide us the name of just one of those “political cohorts” the Republican prosecutor Fitgerald was trying to “save face” with. Right?…Right?….Riiiiiight!!
LOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:09 pmThere were hundreds of great newsgroups in that day, plenty of discussion gong on. That is the problem with you youngsters, you think the Internet was invented by Al Gore and is only a couple of years old. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
Al Gore never claimed to invent the internet, but Bush did claim that Jesus told him what to do. As for being a *youngster*, if you didn’t act like a poorly behaved 12 year old boy going through a bad case of puberty blue b*lls – you might be taken more seriously. Wingnut.
I wish that Clinton HAD left in 2000, preferably via a conviction vote in the U.S. Senate. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:07 pm
So you want an innocent man to be convicted, while you want a convicted man to be pardoned?
BAHAHAA, you’re such a partisan little nazi sycophant!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:09 pmSeriously, back in that day there was good sicussion going on and actual debate without all the personal attacks. Then came the 2000 elections and the left went sick and discussion has not been civil since. Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
Then you showed up…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 pmClinton clearly lied to the grand jury and obstructed justice — he was not innocent of those charges.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:10 pmThere won’t be any pardon for Bush or Cheney after their conviction at the Hague.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:11 pmNo commutation of sentence, just execution for their unrepentant war crimes.
For the record, the Court received HUNDREDS of letters from people attesting to his public service, sterling character, and GOOD NAME. 28 Bush haters sent in letters urging the Court to throw the book at Libby.
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Clear proof that the progressives, but not the neocons, wanted the FACTS to determine the outcome. Case dismissed (along with the lead “defense”).
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:11 pmLOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
But Ronuhld RayGun and George H Bush were… You forget that F*ckus within the family cut a deal with the neocons long ago – you extremist wingnuts are all part of the same “Al Qaeda” now…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmWealthy White Repuke Lawyer guys do NOT go to jail. IOKIYAR.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmLOL!!! Neither Bush nor Cheney will be executed for war crimes. Just like Pelosi and Reid won’t impeach them
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmClinton never washes behind his ears.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmPresident Bush has set the standard for your children. The next time you yell or lecture your children remember your President said: it’s ok to, LIE, STEAL JUSTICE, and most of all KILL YOUR CHILDREN.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pmTom3:
Marc Rich was not a “Repuke Lawyer” ; )
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pmThis corrupt administration does whatever the hell they want to do. The Constitution, the Bill of rights, the courts, the Senate and the Congress don’t have any power over them.
These liars and crooks have done more harm to our democracy than a couple of lowlifes with bombs could ever do! Republicans be careful..Be very careful. Bush isn’t always going to be President..He and his corrupt Klan have opened the door for the next president to go even further than he has gone when it comes to disregarding:
The will of the people
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pmThe Constitution
The Bill Of Rights
Court verdicts
The Senate
Congress
Clinton clearly lied to the grand jury and obstructed justice — he was not innocent of those charges. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
For the record, everyone is innocent until proven guilt in a court of law in the US.
For the record, Clinton was not proven guilty, and was not convicted of a crime.
For the record, Libby was.
For the record Jake*ss, you’re such a little Nazi, pansy boy. You really should take off Hoover’s second hand dresses, you’re too fat for them…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pmMarc Rich was not a “Repuke Lawyer†; )
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
Prove it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmUmm, John Sacks, have you thought it possible that the Clinton hijinks were minor compared to Bush’s hideous crimes and miscarriages of justice and foreign policy disaster?
Yes, an energetic Congress, led by Speaker Newt Gingrich (who was adulterously screwing a Congressional assistant), managed to impeach Clinton. Clinton shouldn’t have lied about his own screwing around, we can all agree I suppose.
But to compare Clinton’s pecadillos to Bush’s high crimes and misdemeaners, that is the height of absurdity. Such phallic nonsense is just that.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmI can’t wait to see Bush and Cheney, et al, swinging from a gallows at the Hague. Hope they leave the bodies up so the crows peck out their eyes.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmrainlillie:
The power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pmThe power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
The power to find the president innocent of impeachment is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
Nazi f*cker.
For the record Jake*ss, there are lots of powers in the constitution that can be abused – and those can result in impeachment – especially if they involve a coverup that Congress decides to investigate.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:16 pmJudge affirms ruling to dismiss Gitmo charges
Story Highlights:
Judge previously dropped charges against Gitmo prisoner.
Prisoner accused of killing U.S. soldier in 2001.
Judge says prisoner cannot be held; court does not have jurisdiction to try him.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A military judge on Friday rejected the Pentagon’s request to reinstate previously dismissed charges against a prisoner accused of killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan in 2001, officials said.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmJake is right about one thing: Pelosi and Reid will never impeach. The only ones who might are Republicans desperate to rehabilitate their party and save their nation. Bush is the best marketing tool the Dems have ever had (they can win while doing, essentially, nothing) while Bush is like a sinking ship, sucking down those associated with him in a vicious undertow.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmThe judge in the Libby case should complete a signing statement indicating that he would not go along with the commutation and send the baliffs to take Libby directly to jail tomorrow.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmLOL!!! Neither Bush nor Cheney will be executed for war crimes. Just like Pelosi and Reid won’t impeach them Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Ah, the crystal ball of the resident gypsy.
While that’s your *opinion*, it’s just that – Jake*ss.
It’s unlikely any president would be killed – too true. But as for getting impeached, your *boy*, is as belligerent, poorly behaved, and as poorly mannered as you are. Sooner or later people get tired of him sh*tting on dinner – as we’re all sick of your childish prattle…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:18 pmClinton spits on the sidewalk.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 pmJake:
LOL — I doubt Paul Wolfowitz and Henry Kissinger were taking directions from Christians at Focus on the Family. Nice try though.
LOL and rolling on the floor. Wolfowitz and Kissinger!
Maybe Dobsins flock recognized that they were on the side of Wolfowitz and Kissinger . . . decided to sit this one out : )
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 pmClinton is a sorry, sneaky bastard. Fine.
He may get back in the White House. It makes me happy to scare the trolls. But in reality, it’s not good.
I elect “Bernie” from Weekend at Bernie’s, the movie.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmThugs of a crime family…Dubya, Cheney et al.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:20 pmI pledge allegiance to the Flag,
Of the Due-blighted States of America,
and to the Republicans for richer stands.
One nation, under guard-invisible,
With libertine injustice for all.
Amen
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 pmHi Zooey,
What’s up this evening? I hope Jake isn’t letting his diaper show too much.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 pmLast I checked, the U.S. Marshalls AND the Bureau of Prisons are within the Executive, not Judicial, branch. Good luck with your gallows too.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:22 pmThe power to pardon is IN the Constitution, did you know that?
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
Funny you should now try to hide behind the constitution, to justify the illegal, immoral acts of this administration.
These Bush cultists use the constitution in the same way Bible literalits use the Bible: They cherrypick what’s convenient to them and ignore the rest -like Habeas Corpus, and due process.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:24 pm“There won’t be any pardon for Bush or Cheney after their conviction at the Hague.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:24 pmNo commutation of sentence, just execution for their unrepentant war crimes.” —- For one thing, and this is where Conservatives really differ from Liberals — The US is a Sovereign nation and the Hague can go fuck itself. It is you bastarsds that want to submit to the socialist idiots in Europe – amazing.
I remember there was a time when Republicans actually believed in the rule of law…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:24 pmEven during wartime, the President still has the power to pardon.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:25 pmTed Haggard for Mayor of DC. He can be Hottub Ted, on the Potomac.
Even though he’s dead, Johnney Cocheran for Attorney General.
Mike Tyson for Sec. of Defense.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:25 pm“It is time for the American people to be heard – I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law.” – Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 pmJake what does the pardon have to do with wartime? The President can pardon you too. I can’t wait until this Bozo is out of office.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 pmPresidential Pardons are WITHIN the Rule of Law. If anyone NOT on the Ignore List doesn’t understand that, let me know.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 pmThe right to do something does not make doing it right.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:27 pmIt takes a jake to confuse a village.
I’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:29 pmPresidential Pardons are WITHIN the Rule of Law. If anyone NOT on the Ignore List doesn’t understand that, let me know. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
But obstructing justice isn’t. If the sentence was designed to encourage the party to provide additional testimony (typical of criminal cases), then by pardoning Libby Bush as in fact obstructed justice.
For the record.
I’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Poor st*pid little b!tch! A *compromise* involves an agreement where all parties agree. You really should buy a dictionary, your *elmo* edition makes you look dum, du dum, dum
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:31 pmLast I checked, the U.S. Marshalls AND the Bureau of Prisons are within the Executive, not Judicial, branch. Good luck with your gallows too. Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
But an impeached president is *not* within the executive branch – Jake*ss.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmSince I posted this at the close of the last thread, and since Jake, John Sacks, and numerous other trolls are pleasuring each other over this news, humor me and let me be redundant:
Bush:
“I respect the jury’s verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby’s sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison.”
Then explain how you feel about the harsh sentencing of former Governor Don Siegelman (D-AL) after your favorite piglet, known to us as Rove, did a hatchet job on the man.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1627427,00.html?xid=rss-nation
Now the man is sentenced to over seven years in prison and has to pay a fine of $500,000.00
All because he was in your and Rove’s way during an election.
http://harpers.org/archive/2007/06/hbc-90000402
No doubt your sycophantic boot-lickers will grovel all day to defend your mockery of American justice and the death of America.
Today’s Republican: the only thing that separates them from Al Qaeda is the name of the god they declare to worship (hint: the Republicans worship mammon).
.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmEven during wartime, the President still has the power to pardon.
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Yeah, I’m sure Hitler would have pardoned all of his henchmen too. You’re a little Nazi – Jake*ss.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:33 pmOk I read it.
It was an excellent, professional citation of established law. There is no political bias. You can feel the justice in that statement.
Everyone knows this President is a child.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:33 pmSure, Clinton’s Oval Office indiscretions didn’t reflect well on the presidency. But, get a grip. Two consenting adults and only a true pinhead would argue that it was the first time the Oval Office had hosted such action.
Hardly the high crime that merits impeachment.
On the otherhand, outing a CIA agent (HWB asserted that this was among the vilest acts of treason), fabricating evidence to launch a war against a sovereign nation that had essentially stopped its nonsense against us), rigging elections, ignoring threats from a known terrorist entity (who could possibly have envisioned? Well, just about anyone with any memory or creative capacity), abandoning the Gulf Coast as its citizens drowned and made new friends in the Super Dome), and so on and so on and so on. Lets see, a little action in the OO vs. 3,560+ and counting dead . . . who deserves impeachment? Maybe, if his sentence hadn’t been commuted, he could have shared.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:34 pmre#82 Jake
When it comes to the CRIME that the president was ALREADY convicted of, can he pardon himself?
You know when that Federal judge ruled that he broke the FISA law!
Is that within your idea of “rule of law”?
Oh, I forget that you want to forget that happened!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 pmHi Zooey,
What’s up this evening? I hope Jake isn’t letting his diaper show too much.
Comment by ForTruth
Not much. Pretty quiet day overall.
Did you know that one time Clinton stubbed his toe on the bed and said a naughty word?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 pmGeorge Sr.:
“I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.â€
Guess what, George, your delinquent son just let a traitor go free!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:36 pmI’ve already sent the White House my e-mail congratulating the President for this elegant compromise.
Comment by Jake
______________________
It’s a compromise, all right. A compromising of justice. A compromising of the intelligence community. A compromising of separation of powers.
BTW, Jake, just because I am apparently on your “Ignore List” does not mean I don’t exist. Haven’t you passed the developmental stage of recognizing object permanence yet?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:36 pmRepuke trolls: “B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!”
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:38 pmWhat I’d be interested in is how many pardons/commutations have been granted for people who have worked for the president. I think that fact moves this into a realm beyond what we know as a pardon. Anyone know? I’m sure it’s happened, but I’m so beside myself I can’t think.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 pmRepuke trolls: “B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!â€
Comment by Tom3
Clinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:40 pmClinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.
Comment by Zooey
*gasp*
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:40 pmGeorge Senior is ecstatic that this criminal was set free.
After all, they ALL work for the Bush Crime Family, which is the holding company for the DEA and the CIA, and “Global Terror, Defense & Oil Holdings, inc.” – a division of Rockefeller Enterprises, which is itself a division of Royal Crown Holdings under the House of Bilderberg World Holdings.
David Rockefeller is laughing his ass off at the way he has effectively neutered this constitutional republic.
Congress is completely irrelevant.
Be sure to thank Israel and its spies in the White House and Congress for destroying your country.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:41 pmClinton doesn’t floss everyday like he’s supposed to.
Comment by Zooey
I bet he doesn’t put the cap on the toothpast either..
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmScooter is a traitor.
30 months was nowhere near enough.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:43 pmI don’t think Clinton sucked up a boatload of cocaine, but I’m not sure.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 pmThe witch hunt went after Rove and Cheny to no avail. They tried and tried and tried again to get something, anything – and nothing. Then on his umteenth testimony in his umteenth cross examination they got something a little different, enough to throw the raw meet to the liberal media who ran wild through the streets. Funny thing is that since this entire thing started, as it turns out, noone outed the little media whore but herself and her husband – but since scooter “lied under oath” he takes the hit. Then they give him the maximum sentence and no chance to sit out while on appeal – like he is a flight risk or something. Bush did the right thing in commuting the sentence (not a pardon) so that he can appeal this nonsense from home.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 pmRumor has it, when Bush leaves and strokes his last pardons, that he might pardon both Clintons.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:45 pm#
http://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm
Comment by Veritass — July 2, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
I see the Megaphone-enabled trolls are here celebrating in force, in this case, stealing a screen name by adding an extra letter to the handle of Veritas.
Here comes the full court Zionist Press – right here before you very eyes.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:45 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm – The Slickster set a record with pardons I believe.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmScooter is a traitor.
30 months was nowhere near enough.
Comment by Tom3 — July 2, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Exactly right! But I still think he was “assistant traitor”, or “traitor in training”, or “sycophant to the traitor”, or.. I could keep going with this..
I want them to take down the main ‘traitor’ guy. The lurker. The shadow president (or co-president). The bad-aim shooter. The Cheney.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmNot sure what he would pardon either clinton for, since they haven’t been convicted of any crimes, unlike Mr. Libby.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmThanks John,
I think that’s fine. It’s time for someone in politics to just grow up. No more witch hunts, no more Kenn Starrs, or Patrick Leahys.
I think all this nonsense must come to an end.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:48 pmI’ve already sent the White House my e-mail….
Comment by Jake — July 2, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Why waste your time you back-room White House roadie?
Don’t you know that as soon as it’s received, it’s deleted?
Oh… No. You don’t.
You watch FOX.
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July 2nd, 2007 at 9:48 pmDon’t forget: this guy isn’t really President. So he can’t commute anything.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:50 pmHow much ya wanna bet Fitzgerald is asked to resign next (code word for fired by this WH). They will of course say they have been planning it for some time in order to give someone else a chance at the spot..
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:53 pm
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:54 pmFULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
FULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!!
Now is a prefect time to tell our representatives to impeach. There is still a lot of time left for Bush to inflict tremendous harm.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 pmHe deserves a full pardon.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:56 pmI think Libby deserved to share a cell. With Cheney. For a long… long, long….., long, long, LONG time..
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:59 pmClinton knows the definition of acerebralist.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 pmClinton likes to go to sumo.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:01 pmSupporting our undercover CIA agents
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:01 pmBe sure to thank Israel and its spies in the White House and Congress for destroying your country.
Comment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
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(A)rabs
(C)onspire
(E)vil
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BUSH… LIBBY… The JOOOOooooOOOOoooooOS…
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmClinton likes showers better than baths.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmIn the end, Libby will profit from the whole experience, through book deals or gifts.
What does a president have to do to get IMPEACHED?
Bush cares more about Libby’s family’s suffering than about dead soldiers’ families’ suffering.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:05 pmClinton knows the definition of acerebralist.
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
A quick follow-up and then I’m off to get some sleep.
I told an intelligent co-worker about the “contest” last night for the new name, and as soon as I said my entry, she started laughing. She got it immediately. Good night, Z.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:08 pmI don’t think Clinton sucked up a boatload of cocaine, but I’m not sure.
Comment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
Dude, he stuck a cigar inside Monica…
Yeah, he was into coke.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:09 pmNow is a prefect time to tell our representatives to impeach. There is still a lot of time left for Bush to inflict tremendous harm.
Comment by midwestblue — July 2, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
Impeach?
Why?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:10 pmLibby still has to face civil justice. The conviction won’t be overturned before the civil case goes to court.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:11 pm“B-b-b-ut Clinton did it too-o-o!?!â€
Comment by Tom3 — July 2, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
He sure did, Tommy-boy, he sure did.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmHow about Irv Skater Libby.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Spot on Rachel imitation. Congrats.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmClinton spits on the sidewalk.
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
That’s disgusting and I believe illegal in some areas.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmYeah, already. Clinton was STUPID to have sex (consentually though wrong) with someone in the oval office (or off in a closet, or wherever..) STUPID. Hello,.. stupid. He didn’t lie about going to a war based on manufactured evidence where LOTS of people died. He lied about having SEX to avoid embarrassment.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmYeah, those are the same..
Spot on Rachel imitation. Congrats.
Comment by barfly — July 2, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
Thank you.
But that was an “ace” imitation.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmThe JOOOOooooOOOOoooooOS…
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Why do you think they call it Jew-Lie the 4th?
*snerk*
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:16 pmAhem.
Bush is a lying, trifling, coniving, nancy-boy, idiot, coke head, drunk of a coward who has NEVER done ANYTHING to make even
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 pmhis tawdry, heartless, spoiled rat of a mother proud. The End.
Why do you think they call it Jew-Lie the 4th?
*snerk*
Comment by barfly — July 2, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
Let me guess…
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 pm!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
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She got it immediately. Good night, Z.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I’ve got it, too. :)
Clinton sometimes leaves a room without turning off the light.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:18 pm“But that was an “ace†imitation.”
Comment by Mr. President
I don’t see it.
But Rachel was always big on crappy keystroke “art,” just like your example.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:19 pmClinton once wore one brown sock and one black sock.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmNice to see that all of the Megahphone Troll’s postings go through instantaneously, while those not representing the interests of Israel are censored.
How “Progressive!”
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmClinton likes crappy keystroke art.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pm!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
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Comment by Mr. President
Rachel would be proud …
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pmNice to see that all of the Megahphone Troll’s postings go through instantaneously, while those not representing the interests of Israel are censored.
How “Progressive!â€
Comment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 10:20 pm
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:21 pm!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!A*C*E*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!
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You know, I have found that whenever someone runs out of answers, they immediately jump on the “conspiracy” attack wagon. If you call someone a “conspiracy theorist”, then you think you can just use that to dismiss what they have to say. I have come to the conclusion that it is a lame defense. LAME. It is nothing but smoke.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:22 pmIt is nothing but smoke.
Comment by JG — July 2, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Actually it’s crappy keystroke art…
and in case you didn’t know…
Clinton likes it!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:23 pmJake –
Can’t stop LOL. Wolfowitz and Kissinger, can you add Haggard, Abramhoff, Rummy and McCarthy (oh yeah, he’s dead) to your list of illuminaries supporting pardons for patrons?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:23 pmMr. President:
How many diefferent identities will you be employing here in this thread tonight?
How’s the weather in Israel?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:24 pmMr. Excrement, sir?
If I could have a moment of your time, sir.
Words cannot express the sheer and utter disgust with which I view your lack of morals, your contempt for the foundations of the rule of law upon which our democracy is founded, and, frankly, your amazing lack of wisdom.
You continue to display a total lack of sophistication, a dearth of creativity, and seem to be functioning on a rather low tech version of an autopilot, akin to tying the steering wheel to the door handle, and jamming an ice scraper between the dash and the gas pedal.
Day after day you blabber and blurt utter nonsense, respond to suggestions and viewpoints with inane spewings, and in general, display the characteristics of a 20 something slacker from Fritch.
Sir.
(Huh, I guess the Seconal finally kicked in. Takes more and more of them as time wears on…..
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:24 pmGood night, sir.)
Clinton likes to fly on airplanes with Chimpy’s dad.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by ace — July 2, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
Would you care to elaborate?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:27 pmYou could stick a cigar into Monica and not be on coke. I cold.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:31 pmI think I will go make a pitcher of margaritas and get myself a REALLY long straw to celebrate the wonderful goings on of today..
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:32 pmNight..
Chimpy let Jeffy Lube Gannon stick something in him.
And it wasn’t a cigar.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 pmYou all do know that Bill Clinton was actually the person who dropped Valerie Plame’s name. Bill is in fact conducting an experiment for the CIA. They have developed technology that makes a person invisible and Bill was the one picked for the new tech. Bill was infact in the WH when Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Addington, and Scooter were talking about Joe Wilson’s op-ed. Bill actually went and physically opened Dick’s mouth kind of like a ventriquolist and stated that they should all leak Valerie Plames name. And then he picked the phone and put it int o Scooters hand and dialed Time magazines number and caused Scooter to spill the beans. Then he moved onto Judy Miller and Tim Russert. So you see it’s all Bill’s fault. Scooter is innocent.Poor baby Scooter. His reputation is ruined even though Rupert is going to offer him a seven figure book deal.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 pmAs a matter of fact Mr. President, it almost seems as though you might consider sex with a female potentially “icky”?
Hmmmm.
Care to share?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 pmComment #134 also holds true for Cheney, except add souless, unintelligent, psychotic, ogre of a monster, piece of shriveled up dickwad, with the tiniest tiniest set of balls imaginable. The end.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 pmComment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
Sure, potentially “icky” I’d say that.
That’s what showers and condoms are for.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 pmHumm – Zooey punches in when Jake punches out. Sure hope this isn’t a Hatch Act violation.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmThese attempts to justify Bush’s commutation by saying Bill Clinton did the same thing annoy the heck out me.
If Clinton kicked his dog, then it’s okay for Bush to kick his dog.
Clinton may well have done things that sucked. And you may think that makes ALL Democrats hypocrites (even those who were disappinted with Clinton) and perhaps it’s this hypocrisy that you’re relishing in. But, the reverse is also true. How can you condemn what Clinton did, and then rejoice when Bush does the same (or at least a similar) thing?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmWhat’s Jeff Gannon’s astrological sign?
Lube-ra
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmShowers and condoms sounds like the name of a gay spa.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:38 pmWasn’t the whole Bush Jr. and Co. agenda/line basically that they would restore honor and dignity and VALUES to the White House after (according to them) Clinton dirtied it up? If that’s the case why are they making excuses for their actions by saying that Clinton did it too? Shouldn’t they be trying to do BETTER/be better morally than Clinton, according to the platform that they ran on?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmActually that was pretty funny John Sacks
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmJohn it sounds just like something Mr. Presidunt would say.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmI will never understand these defenders of Bush and the NWO. Do they really think they benefit from any of these decisions and the impact they will have on us for a long,long time? How is their life better by the coward Scooter not going to Club Fed? Yet they all screamed that Martha Stewart better serve her full term.Is their only motivation that there be no gay marriage? No death tax that wouldn’t apply to them anyway? The list goes on.
It’s like a sporting competition to them for chrissakes! They think they “win” by this decision but they are very,very wrong.
I shudder to think what is next.
“The Constitution is what 5 Supreme Court Justices say it is.”
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 pmNoone is making excuses for anyone. The trial against Libby was a witch hunt and he didn’t deserve the sentence he received, which was complete excesive and politically motivated, so the President commuted the sentence. Plain and simple and well within the rights of the President – even if Clint claimed that he did not have sex with that woman.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pmShowers and condoms sounds like the name of a gay spa.
Comment by ForTruth — July 2, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
No, you’re thinking of The Dirty Cigar.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pm#160 Oh yeah, we were all anxiously awaiting the moment when homophobia would rear its lovely head. Elevating the conversation to new heights. . .
Does this site have any sort of gatekeeper?
I am the wind . . . out.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 pmJohn Sacks:
Define this:
“A jury of one’s peers”
What is our system of laws if it is not bound to the findings of such a body?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 pmWas the infamous cigar from Cuba?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmGOPers on TP and in the media/press are trashing Fitzgerald, but he is a fellow Republican, so they are eating each other now and not pretty.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmI like to be reminded Fitzgerald is Republican.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 pmJury of one’s peers – like OJ right?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:45 pmJohn Sacks:
Please expand on YOUR definition of the following terms/words: excessive, witch hunt, politically motivated, excuses.
Thanks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmYeah, I spent months in the slammer covering his warty ass, and he gets a commutation…
Where’s my medal of freedom?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmJustice for money system folks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 pmClinton likes showers better than baths.
Comment by Zooey
I don’t even like Hillary. All the money I’ve donated has been to Edwards. But just to spite these rat bastard trolls I’m going to vote for Clinton just to drive their furry little asses crazy.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 pm#160 Wow.
ForShame, ForTruth.
I had no idea that you were turning this into a debate about homos.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 pmThis is why the po’ go to the stinker. Justice for money.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 pmOj’s jury did not feel they had enough evidence to convict. Scooter’s did.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 pmJury of one’s peers – like OJ right?
Nope, NOT the same.
Libby got CONVICTED of 4 FELONIES…
He is a TRAITOR to the USA.
But so are Bush, Cheney and the REST of their WAR CRIMINALS.
May they BURN IN HELL FOR THEIR GENOCIDE.
They definitely do NOT follow the Words of Jesus Christ…
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:49 pmPresident, It was a joke. Good to hear I have the power to turn this debate into anything. I would like to turn it into a really hot chick.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:49 pmWelcome to the end. Can’t see we didn’t see it coming.
And I’m not talking about the Libby saga, I’m talking about the United States of America and its constitution.
As such. I leave you to your own devices.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:50 pmGrand Opening at RNC headquarters, July 4th!!!
Condi’s Condoms and Golden Showers Spa!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:50 pm#181 – Would you settle for a really hot dude? I can give you my number.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:51 pmPresident, It was a joke. Good to hear I have the power to turn this debate into anything. I would like to turn it into a really hot chick.
Comment by Fortruth — July 2, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
I knew that, but it seems that others did not.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:51 pm
It is laughable to look at TP each day and see the bottom dwelling, knuckle dragging, troglodytes of the 26% here trying to convince themselves that supporting the thugs of the crime family, the miserable failed crime family, is the right thing to do. Go to hell, Jake and the rest of you morons…you are pitiful examples of trailer trash.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:52 pmOh yeah, Snappit!
Libby got convicted, and OJ didn’t. That’s the difference.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:54 pmNoone is making excuses for anyone. The trial against Libby was a witch hunt and he didn’t deserve the sentence he received, which was complete excesive and politically motivated, so the President commuted the sentence. Plain and simple and well within the rights of the President – even if Clint claimed that he did not have sex with that woman.
Comment by John Sacks
Very persuasive argument, Sack’o, except it’s very strange that you say it was politically motivated, when both the prosecutor and the judge were Republicans.
Huh. Maybe you could explain that? Or just acknowledge that you’re entirely full of sh!t.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:55 pmKasinca put it pretty succinctly.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:55 pmComment by Fed the Fcuk Up! — July 2, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Did you make that donation to Gold Star Families for Peace?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:56 pmClinton once broke a glass on the bathroom floor.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmGo to hell, Jake and the rest of you morons…you are pitiful examples of trailer trash.
Comment by kasinca
To these bottom dwelling trolls, moron and trailer trash is a compliment. They are all traitors to this once great country and deserve to hang.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmYeah the Titanic is slowly decending, and I still stop by to comment on the latest entertainment in the ball room. Funny stuff.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:58 pmFitzgerald, what ever his party, plays politics with his own career. He was involved a more than a few of these types of witch hunts. Politics doesn’t always mean republican vs demorat. This entire trial from the beginning was a shit trough for the media pigs that wanted more than anything to get Rove and Cheny with something, something obviously that didn’t exist. fitzboy complied as he himself became somewhat of a media whore – then the entire thing unravelled – not much different than that hack in North Carolina that is not going to end up behind bars.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:58 pmHumm – Zooey punches in when Jake punches out. Sure hope this isn’t a Hatch Act violation.
Comment by rockyroad
Dude, I do this for free. :)
Clinton once demolished a cork in a wine bottle.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 pmThe remaining Bush lovers are mostly toothless trailer trash or fat slob wealthy elite.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 pmI’m falling behind. I thought the commutation was being justified because Clinton did it too. But now we’ve moved on to justifying it because of OJ Simpson. I’ve got to keep up.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:59 pm194 – Cheney and Rove are saints.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:00 pmClinton picked up on Putin’s wife. He liked her last name.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:01 pmIt is justified because the sentence was way overboard and obviously politically motivated. But it is funny that you guys don’t question the lefties when they get off light – like Sandy Burgler – remember him – the guy that stole and destroyed clasified documents? Yea, he got caught and got away with it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:01 pmChimpy’s rearranging the deck chairs.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmI say, if Berger committed a crime, lock him up, and no commutation.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmJohn Sacks = Fudge packing trailer trash troglodyte.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmFitzgerald, what ever his party, plays politics with his own career. He was involved a more than a few of these types of witch hunts. Politics doesn’t always mean republican vs demorat. This entire trial from the beginning was a shit trough for the media pigs that wanted more than anything to get Rove and Cheny with something, something obviously that didn’t exist. fitzboy complied as he himself became somewhat of a media whore – then the entire thing unravelled – not much different than that hack in North Carolina that is not going to end up behind bars.
Comment by John Sacks
Yeah, more bullzhit from Bush azzhole-licking TRAITORS.
I hope one or two PATRIOTIC agents of the CIA put an END to Libby
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmWell he did , and no he wasn’t.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmBush can do what he wants because of Clinton, OJ, and Sandy.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmCHENEY 2008!!!
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July 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 pmPlame was nothing more than a media whore who everyone knew she worked for the agency. This entire outing thing was proven bullshit and hence no charges resulted. But after relentless cross examination they finally got Libby on an “is” – and that is about it. Fitzboy had to save face and get someone in this whitch hunt so Libby took the fall. The entire investigation was a farce and watching the left mainstream media froth at the mouth during this entire thing was probably the most comical part of it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:06 pm††††††††â€
More Dead Troops for Cheney!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:06 pmA final effort to remove the trolls…thanks to Leftcoast and Jeremy for the support on other threads… Thought I should make it personal to the writers of TP, and maybe that will inspire an effective response…
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Matt Corley
Satyam Khanna
Amanda Terkel
Nico Pitney
Faiz Shakir
I still haven’t heard back about your plans to rid the TP comments sections of the numerous trolls that seem to literally take shifts in their efforts to derail meaningful conversation and development of the themes of your original posts. That is why I have gone to the “About TP” section to learn who the writers are that are directly affected by these disruptive efforts, and why I hope that my requests will be considered by all of you.
I cannot imagine that any of you are happy to see a piece, that you have really thought about, suffer the inanities of the various trolls on the TP boards. It must be rather depressing to see these types so disrupt coherent thought and the further exploration and development of ideas from what you have written. I would think that you might want to reduce the adverse impact that Think Progress must absorb each time an intelligent discussion is cast asunder by these potentially paid disruptive elements.
TP is one of the top sources for progressive coverage of the current political events and climate, and the site is therefore a target of the Far Right, of the NeoCons, and the GOP in general. Are you going to take the abuse you are suffering so silently, or are you going to stand up to these intellectual and moral lightweights, who have nothing to challenge your writings with, and restore the site’s integrity?? I think you owe your readership more than you are providing.
A thought…if these guys were to hack TP, and obtain whatever personal information your users provide at registration, would you feel any responsibility to help your users (clients, really…) mitigate damages from potential identity theft? If the answer is yes, then you should know what you have to do here.
If the answer is no, please let your readership know, and they will know what they have to do.
Thanks, and I would appreciate some note of acknowledgment.
Styve
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:06 pmNow Libby can be called to testify in the civil case and has no reason to plead the fifth…this is not good for Shooter or Dubya the drunk.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:07 pmClinton once forgot to wash his neck.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:07 pmI realy like those little grave marker’s Mr. Presidente put’s with the cheney 2008 post’s…Maybe he know’s the batteries in that fat man’s ticker are going to give out then….Blessings
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 pmI already think TP has been hacked before. Just my opinion.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 pm“Clinton once forgot to wash his neck.”
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
Well, there ya go, then.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 pmThe great thing is that this commutation will prove very unpopular with swing voters. Democrats may even pick up a seat or two over this. Any Republican in an unsafe district who aligns himself with Bush on this decision has signed his political death warrant. Thompson, if he ever had a shot at the presidency, lost that shot today.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 pmDubya and Cheney are trying to keep Scooter from telling the truth…now the civil case can get to Cheney. The civil case did more harm to Clinton than the impeachment did…look it up. The civil case did more to OJ than the criminal case. Dubya and Cheney are trying to keep their sorry, criminal, thug asses safe for the crime they had Scooter commit.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 pmClinton bought a hooker once.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 pmClinton boned a lesbian once. Chelse was made.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:12 pmStyve;
I’d rather have trolls than censorship.
And the Repuke trolls in here are pretty vile.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:12 pmI’m back, couldn’t resist.
#195
No, Zooey, you do it at the cost of your soul. Since you’re not in Baghdad, fighting zealously for your beliefs, but spending your hours on a “leftest” blog-site, it’s a bit hard to imagine the actual courage of your convictions.
If you’ve got children in whom you’ve indoctinidated your self-same self-righteous ideals . . . god bless them. The blood you spill will be your own.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 pmHow many times do I have to tell ya Mr President, George is an Ivey league easter establishment liberal?
Thanks for keeping the neo- liberals, and their neo-organ grinding weasles in power MR P. And ant thanks for putting neo-liberalism above the law!
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ed-chairman Bernanke knows what’s going on. He was given a full rundown by “John Burns Real Estate Consulting that the national sales information for both new and existing homes, is “misleading and covering up a deep plunge of the housing sector.” The housing market is freefalling. Existing-home sales are down 22% in May and mortgage applications have fallen a whopping 18%….In Florida home sales are down 34%, not 28% as NAR reported; Arizona sales are down 38%, not 28%; and California’s down 37%, not 24% as NAR reports.”
Down 37% in California!?! It’s a landslide.
Wheres that m12 econoMTYH when you need him?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 pmComment by John Sacks
Nothing you have posted is even honest or truthful. Do some research…they have lied to you at FAUXNOIZ, shit for brains. You are spouting talking points that are not true. Try google, shit for brains.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 pmComments 219 and 223 boggle my mind.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:14 pmYou guys live the lie every day – ever since your hero made it fashionable. Just make up what you want to hear and everyone else is a dope right? chuckle.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:15 pmFitz Rocks!
We need more US prosecutors like him.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:15 pmScratch my previous comment.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/18CLIN.html?pagewanted=all&ei=5070&en=66ba82eaf117b24b&ex=1183521600
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmNo, Zooey, you do it at the cost of your soul. Since you’re not in Baghdad, fighting zealously for your beliefs, but spending your hours on a “leftest†blog-site, it’s a bit hard to imagine the actual courage of your convictions.
You just described 99% of the deferment laden GOP. The blood you spill wont be your own or the chickenhawks RockyRoad. You are sounding like they hypocrites of the GOP.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 pmIn 1983, Rich and partner Pincus Green were indicted by U.S. Attorney and future mayor of New York City Rudolph Giuliani, on charges of tax evasion and illegal trading with Iran. Both of them fled to Switzerland before a court appearance, and they remained on the FBI’s Most Wanted List for many years.
January 20, 2001, hours before leaving office, President Bill Clinton granted Rich a presidential pardon. Since Rich’s former wife and mother of his three children, socialite Denise Rich, had made large donations to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Library during Clinton’s time in office
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 pmYou guys live the lie every day – ever since your hero made it fashionable. Just make up what you want to hear and everyone else is a dope right? chuckle.
Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 11:15
Not everybody is as f%cked up as you…you are pretty sad, dumbass.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmPlease expand on YOUR definition of the following terms/words: excessive, witch hunt, politically motivated, excuses.
Thanks.
Comment by Null — July 2, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
Yeah, please! Where does excessive come in since the sentence was within the time stipulated in the law? This was a trial (originally) to find who leaked classified info and Libby obstructed that invetigation. That is a felony crime, as are the other proven beyond-a-reasonable-doubt charges. “Witch-hunt” used to refer to those innocent who were wrongly accused of being something that does not exist. Now it refers to the false idea that reasonable accusations are purely politically motivated. So really, what witch?
What exactly is Fitzgrald’s political motivation? Isn’t he a republican? What political motivationn does he or anyone involved (wasn’t the judge appointed by Bush?) specifically have?
If you took out the names and party affiliations, would someone who lied and obstructed the investigation into who leaked secret information (during war-time, no less) still deserve to walk? Why would anyone want to hinder finding who is care-free with something that needs to be carefully held? Isn’t lying a bad thing, so bad it’s a felony?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmJohn Sacks > Bush Senior screwed an ugly dog named Barbara and Bush baby was born > lol.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 pm232 – not really. Just a person who loves this country and hates the underminding treasonous pinheads like yourself.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:19 pmRE: What was I doing in 2000 when Clinton was pardoning people?
I was living. Making a decent wage at a computer store, enjoying time, and dreaming of moving to Colorado eventually. I was one of those with a 0 Credit Score, using cash 100% for everything. I vaguely recall hearing about him doing that, and my thoughts were along the lines of ‘Gee…goes to show that somebody’s hand got greased.’
You see, back then, I was apolitical. Yes, I voted. I pulled levers for Dems and Repubs, based not on the -D or -R next to their name, but by what they did for the country. In November of 1999, I didn’t pull Gore’s D or Bush’s R, because I thought both were sorry pieces of shit.
How wrong I was. But I didn’t complain about Dubya until 2004…I didn’t vote, I reasoned, so I didn’t have a right to complain. Then I voted for Kerry…or maybe I should say I voted against Bush. I voted now, so I have a right to complain. Not enough people pulled Kerry’s ‘D’, and too many people pulled Dubya’s ‘R’, not to mention possible voter intimidation and outright election fraud. Dubya won, and now I’m here. Congratulations, neocon nutbars. You managed to move an apolitical social liberal/fiscal moderate into strong social liberal/fiscal liberal. I guarantee you, had Dubya not pushed the cost of gas into $3.00 a gallon ranges by invading Iraq _and_ Afghanistan, I’d probably not be here or anywhere else. congrats. Your guy turned a 27 year old non-political guy into a 33 year old liberal, leaning in the direction of the philosophies of the greens and libertarians.
And it will be a LOOOOOONG time before I pull that R lever again.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:19 pmThis is my favorite Clinton pardon:
Susan Lauranne Prather W. D. Ark. 1975 Causing marijuana to be transported through the mail, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:20 pmComment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Do your search on DOJ Scooter Libby…Clinton is not in office…I never voted for him and Dubya is the worst criminal to ever be in the White House…you support a thug and his crime family…that is screwed up…what is wrong with you. shit for brains?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:20 pmUnder “hag” in the dictionary it says “See Barbara Bush” > lol.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:20 pm232 – not really. Just a person who loves this country and hates the underminding treasonous pinheads like yourself.
Comment by John Sacks
TREASON is a CRIMINAL FAMILY named “Bush”.
And their azzhole-lickers like YOU.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:20 pmWE have allowed ourselves to be enslaved…….by the pale bloated power addicted pvblicans who feed the slop to their knowledge starved offspring which svckle at the teat of corporate greed.
They toss, every so often, to the crowd a new i-pod, or i-phone, or i-mone; to keep the popvlace enthralled; and bvying and borrowing still more.
They plug their headjacks in, and blot out the starving lions roar, who gnash at the weakening bars of their pens ‘neath the collisevm.
SEIZVRE stands in the alcove, just off the Emperors Balcony of his palace, and having spared his henchman, thinks to himself…..
“Yes, they will, in the end, love me………………I will be dvst…….
(but maybe, if that stvpid Secretary of My Legacy
gets off his ass and begins to tvrn the media my way,
I will live to see them know and testify…)
I AM RIGHT
or
I WAS right, I mean, I think I’m right, right?
I mean that’s what Karl, and Dick (that prick) tell me, and, and
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:21 pm…Condi………….
ooohhhhhhhhhhhhh Condi, if only I weren’t the SEIZVRE…………
How could the Sweet Dusk of My Dreams ever be wrong……….
No, Zooey, you do it at the cost of your soul. Since you’re not in Baghdad, fighting zealously for your beliefs, -
As I recall its an all volunteer service RR. Why don’t you go volunteer Rocky Road if your so convinced that Iraqis need to be freed, Hey do you remember when Bush said he would not use the troops for nation building?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:22 pm242 – I am not a huge fan of Bush but name one law that he broke?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:22 pm#231 – Back to the Clinton did it, so Bush can too again? Then OJ. Then Sandy Berger. Right?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:22 pm232 – not really. Just a person who loves this country and hates the underminding treasonous pinheads like yourself.
Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
What have you ever done to support this country? You support the thugs of the Bush Crime family…blame Clinton for the past six years of crime and you cry because we don’t agree with you? Get a life, shit for brains..or better yet, go enlist…Dubya needs morons like you.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:22 pmHome sales down 37% ??
That’s plummeting without a parachute.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:23 pmIf you’ve got children in whom you’ve indoctinidated your self-same self-righteous ideals . . . god bless them. The blood you spill will be your own.
Comment by rockyroad
Oh for f*ck’s sake. My heart bleeds, I’m so liberal. I’ve been commenting on TP for two years.
I’m trolling the trolls with “Clinton non sequiturs.”
Geez.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:23 pmName a law that Bush broke?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 pmFitzgerald, what ever his party, plays politics with his own career. He was involved a more than a few of these types of witch hunts. Politics doesn’t always mean republican vs demorat. This entire trial from the beginning was a shit trough for the media pigs that wanted more than anything to get Rove and Cheny with something, something obviously that didn’t exist. fitzboy complied as he himself became somewhat of a media whore – then the entire thing unravelled – not much different than that hack in North Carolina that is not going to end up behind bars.
Comment by John Sacks
Your sh!t is so weak! “Oooh, it was political!” That’s typical of Republics, basically. It doesn’t matter that the judge was Republican, it doesn’t matter that the prosecutor is a Republican, it doesn’t matter that a jury of his peers convicted Libby. “It’s political!”
Have you ever had an original thought in your life?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 pmI really shouldn’t have to explain something some obviously stupid…
:-D
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 pm232 – not really. Just a person who loves this country and hates the underminding treasonous pinheads like yourself.
Comment by John Sacks
Where did you read that newstory, worldnuttdaily? Did Democratics out undercover agent Plame? No. If you love this country so much why are you consoling the traitors in the GOP?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 pmJohn Sacks > name a law Bush did not screw-up or destroy?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmThere is nothing obvious about it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmJohn Sacks = Fudge packing trailer trash troglodyte.
Comment by kasinca
And those are his good qualities.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 pm242 – I am not a huge fan of Bush but name one law that he broke?
Yup. ILLEGAL SPYING AND WIRETAPPING on US citizens no warrant.
LYING about WMD.
LYING about the “surge”.
LYING that he didn’t know who outed Valerie Plame.
GENOCIDE of 3500 US soldiers and 650,000 Iraqis.
Just a few…
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmSesriously, name one law that Bush broke.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmName a law that Bush broke?
Comment by John Sacks
He admitted to doing warrantless wiretaps severa times. Forget that?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:27 pm“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” Letter to President Bush, Signed by: — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.” — Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” — Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” — Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” — Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:27 pmName a law that Bush broke?
Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
That is a bullshit spin. He has broken laws and he is covering up with a crook named Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzalez and Scooter Libby took a bullet. The way this system works is that he has to be proven guilty and they have obstructed justice to this point and have not been able to pin him yet. That does not mean he has not broken laws any more than OJ getting off means he did not try to cut that woman’s head off. Get a clue, vern.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 pmClinton likes fudge, but knows he really shouldn’t eat it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 pmAs far as the lying – that is code word for policy that you libtards don’t agree with. Get a life.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 pmComment by Solipsist
Chill, dude .
Zooey is posting sarcasm at the trolls “Clinton did it too bullsh*t
sheesh
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 pmSpeculation fueled by the mindless lunatic spin of the lefty media. You guys truely are dope smoking lemmings. LMFAO.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 pm#230
With all due respect, no matter how many deferments a coward manipulates, if his or her child goes to Iraq, gets decimated in a roadside bomb or whatever, the blood that spills originates with the parents who gave them life. It’s pretty fundamental DNA science. You are a product of your parents. What’s your blood-type? Where do you think that came from? One of these bloodless repugs? Actually, you may have a point. If a bloodless repug spawn, what does the red blood lacking parent transfer to the babe? Toxic cryptonite or just enough venum to sustain hate. Let’s tap into Cheney. He probably had parents.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 pmOh I see: if the Republicans are under investigation, it’s politically motivated no matter who is doing the investigating.
Maybe Republicans should change to the Witch Party.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:30 pmI hope a couple of good CIA snipers take Libby “out”!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:30 pmFitzgerald, what ever his party, plays politics with his own career. -John Sack
Fitz belongs to no patter JOHN SUCK. In fact he helped bring some of the terrorist to justice.
, Fitzgerald became an Assistant United States Attorney in New York City in 1988. He handled drug-trafficking cases and in 1993 assisted in the prosecution of Mafia figure John Gotti, the boss of the Gambino crime family.[4] In 1994, Fitzgerald became the prosecutor in the case against Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and 11 others charged in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.[5]
John Sacks please read before you start repeating pundit crap, thanks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 pmAs far as the lying – that is code word for policy that you libtards don’t agree with. Get a life.
Comment by John Sacks
Actually, LYING is a codeword for Rapeublican POLICY.
I hope the CIA snipers get LIBBY’S life!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:32 pmZooey is posting sarcasm at the trolls “Clinton did it too bullsh*t
sheesh
Comment by Wayne
I wasn’t posting about Zooeys sarcasm Sheeshus.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pmToo bad that Llibby never got to be your Inmate #28301-016 . . .
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pmLouisiana Democrat William Jefferson.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pmI can gloat for a little longer, can’t I?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pmToo bad that Llibby never got to be your Inmate #28301-016 . . .
I hope the CIA SNIPERS get his azz. BLAM!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmToo bad that Llibby never got to be your Inmate #28301-016 . . .
Comment by Jake
It is too bad, Jake. It’s too bad that he didn’t have to serve his time like the common criminal that he is.
In the long run, though, it’s simply added to the pile of dung created by the this administration and they eventually will have to answer for it.
Nice to see you’re beginning to understand how corrupt and repulsive this administration is, though. It’s a start.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmA Proclamation by the President of the United States of America
WHEREAS Lewis Libby was convicted in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in the case United States v. Libby, Crim. No. 05-394 (RBW), for which a sentence of 30 months’ imprisonment, 2 years’ supervised release, a fine of $250,000, and a special assessment of $400 was imposed on June 22, 2007;
NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, pursuant to my powers under Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, do hereby commute the prison terms imposed by the sentence upon the said Lewis Libby to expire immediately, leaving intact and in effect the two-year term of supervised release, with all its conditions, and all other components of the sentence.
IN WITNESS THEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this second day of July, in the year of our Lord two thousand and seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-first.
GEORGE W. BUSH
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070702-4.html
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmChill, dude .
Zooey is posting sarcasm at the trolls “Clinton did it too bullsh*t
sheesh
Comment by Wayne — July 2, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
It’s rockyroad having the problem. He’ll work it out!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:36 pmClinton loves a nice pint of Deranger.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 pmThanks, Jake. In other words, the President has admitted that Libby was guilty as charged.
It’s something.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 pmJack Sacks is a minimum wage troll over here trying to convince us that the MSM is liberal, that Fitzgerald was a liberal and that the 26%ers are right and the rest of us are wrong. What a pitiful piece of shit. Good night, I have better things to do than read bullshit I try to avoid by never watching anything but Keith Olberamann. He is making a special tomorrow night in which he will be asking Dubya and Cheney to step down…should be worth the watch. I am sure that O’Leilly will be the worst person in the whole world, he always is.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 pmComment by Bob — July 2, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
I notice that none of the trolls have come up with any answers to your questions. They seem to be pretty simple, clear questions, why can’t they come up with any honest response? Because there is none?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 pmClinton loves a nice pint of Deranger.
Comment by Zooey
Heh. You remembered!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:37 pm“I can gloat for a little longer, can’t I?”
Comment by Jake
Sure, if you think exposing the fraud of conservatism is something to gloat about. So much for the “conservative” respect for the rule of law.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:38 pmClinton, OJ, Berger. Oops, forgot William Jefferson. Why, Dubya, you can do whtever you want!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:38 pmIf the 26% is about those that aprove of Bush – I am not part of that. That said, I guess I will have to call you guys the 23% (approval rating of the Peloi/Reed led Contgress).
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 pmWith all due respect, no matter how many deferments a coward manipulates, if his or her child goes to Iraq, gets decimated in a roadside bomb or whatever, the blood that spills originates with the parents who gave them life.
YOur sitting here calling people cowards, you don’t know, because the deferment chickenhawks, [who you have try to turn into heros, who started this debacle ] BECAUSE THEY MIGHT have a son or daughter get killed on day in battle?
Talking about ludicrous your trying to rewrite history that doesn’t exists!! Thats LUNACY!! BTW My family has spilt blood for this country many times. Please take your deranged spiel elsewhere.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 pmFor the record, I can note that Jesus Christ was sentenced to death but that doesn’t mean I “admit” he was guilty of anything. When are you people going to take another pledge to leave America if another Republican is sworn in as President on January 20, 2009?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 pm284. More bullshit spin.
The 23% approval is due to the obstructionists in the GOP that will not allow anything to pass. Get a clue, Vern, you guys are going down bigtime.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmIf the 26% is about those that aprove of Bush – I am not part of that. That said, I guess I will have to call you guys the 23% (approval rating of the Peloi/Reed led Contgress).
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmActually we are the 74% who know that Bush is an ISLAMOTerrorist Saudi OIL WHOREBAG and a TRAITOR to the USA…
Heh. You remembered!
Comment by gummitch — July 2, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
I have an excellent memory. :)
Clinton has excellent memories.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmComment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
If you read any other threads on this blog besides this one, I’m sure that the fact that the majority of regular posters here disapproval of Speaker Pelosi’s table phobia and Senator Reid’s meekness would be pretty obvious.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 pmIf the 26% is about those that aprove of Bush – I am not part of that. That said, I guess I will have to call you guys the 23% (approval rating of the Peloi/Reed led Contgress).
Comment by John Sacks
Fine, you just go ahead and just TRY to stick your lopsided imagination on me.. It aint gonna work. No quit acting like a teenager and stop repeating the pundit crap you see/hear on the TV or Radio.
Goodnight, John Suck, don’t let the door hit you, where the good lord split ya, on the way out.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmYup. Honesty is hard to come by these days (apparently). I guess we make up for it with all this extra freedom we have lying around.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmWhen Hillary Clinton is sworn in as PRESIDENT OF THE USA,
she needs to ARREST Bush and Cheney as TRAITORS to the USA.
No trial, just throw em in Gitmo or Abu Ghraib…
TORTURE the TRAITORS until they are DEAD!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmI wasn’t posting about Zooeys sarcasm Sheeshus.
Comment by Solipsist
You didn’t post 230?
Funny, it has your name.
If its not a hijack, you owe her an apology.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 pmThat was supposed to be “disapprove”. D’oh!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:44 pm“For the record, I can note that Jesus Christ was sentenced to death but that doesn’t mean I “admit†he was guilty of anything.”
For the record, you should increase your dosage. You seem to have built up a tolerance to the anti-depressives …
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:44 pmSo if the wave of disaproval slides throuh congress once again in 2008, Pelosi and Reed will be history as well as the rest of the socialist idiots that were accidently elected due to good ole American apethy. 2008 will be fun to watch.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 pm295 – I agree with you. Our leaders, Democrat and Republican, let us all down. I could almost see the Dms knees quaking every time a Republican accused them of “not supporting the troops.” Which was so ridiculous. Leaving them over there to be targeted by IEDs, that’s supporting the troops, I guess.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 pmStatement from Ted Wells, Attorney for Mr. Libby
“Mr. Libby and his family wish to express their gratitude for the President’s decision today. We continue to believe in Mr. Libby’s innocence. Scooter and his family appreciate the many Americans who have supported them over the last two years.â€
http://www.scooterlibby.com/news/Read.aspx?ID=329
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 pmFor the record, I can note that Jesus Christ was sentenced to death but that doesn’t mean I “admit†he was guilty of anything. When are you people going to take another pledge to leave America if another Republican is sworn in as President on January 20, 2009?
Comment by Jake
For the record, moron, you’ve just posted the evidence that the President of the United States, who you love and adore, has admitted that Libby was guilty. No one gives a tiny little mouse fart what you’re going to admit, because you don’t matter.
And as to your second “point”, no one is pledging anything but to continue the fight for democracy against the anti-democratic, anti-freedom, anti-law Republic thugs currently in the White House. If we need to keep it up, we will. Lord knows some of us have been at it for decades, and unlike the pustules of the Right, we aren’t ready to quit.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 pmJake > if McCain cheats to become president in 2008 election, then I will be moving to Sweden. Good luck to you if senile John gets in. > lol.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 pmSolipsist – calm down.
I’m not calling anyone a coward. My relatives have fought for this country since the Revolutionary War. Our soldiers are proud, and I, like every American I know, am very proud of them.
The point is, when responsible Americans know, KNOW, that we were misled into this war in Iraq based on false premises and a hidden agenda (thank you Cheney), our children have no place there. When our children die there and we have not done everything in our power to stop the war, we have blood on our hands. Sending your children to fight a misbegotten battle is not patriotic. Impeaching the leaders who fabricated is.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 pmMcCain’s bid for the Presidency ended with the defeat of the immigration joke last week.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmAre they cowards or did they wake up to the facts about why we are really there?
Policians, todays cowards, dont go into battle like the Romans did.
This was a bad plan from the beginning and this war was supposed to last 6 months,pay for itself, and parades of roses, thats what George told you right? Free the oppressed Iraqi people! Democracy! Mission Accomplished! Purple fingers!
Isnt this the fault of the commander in chief that terrorism is increasing instead of dwindling? Use your head.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmWe have one pledge for Sweden — do I hear two?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 pm#258
Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.
Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.
I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.
Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein announced that he would no longer cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors called UNSCOM. They are highly professional experts from dozens of countries. Their job is to oversee the elimination of Iraq’s capability to retain, create and use weapons of mass destruction, and to verify that Iraq does not attempt to rebuild that capability.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 pm300 – Wow, Libby is still saying he’s innocent. Even though his revered president has just admitted his guilt.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmYou didn’t post 230?
Funny, it has your name.
If its not a hijack, you owe her an apology.
Comment by Wayne — July 2, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
No worries, Wayne. Solipsist was inelegant in responding to rockyroad. Only the second half of #230 belongs to him. :)
I’m confusing the newbies. :D
Clinton once nicked himself shaving.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmMcCain’s bid for the Presidency ended with the defeat of the immigration joke last week.
Comment by John Sacks
Well GoooodBuhGooooooDBuhGoooooood
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 pmStrange that the press made no mention of McCain in Baghdad today. I guess they figured he messed up too much the last time he went there.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 pmI am racist–John Sacks
I am racist–John Sacks
I am racist–John Sacks
I am racist–John Sacks
I am racist–John Sacks
You are also a chickenhawk keyboard commando.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmIf you ever saw real combat,you would need your mommy to change your diaper.
317 – hehehehehehehe. You really have no clue. Toke another hit and sey “hey man” slow and sure 3 times.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmThey were such good questions that I’ll post them again, and I’m calling on all trolls to take a shot at answering them:
Please expand on YOUR definition of the following terms/words: excessive, witch hunt, politically motivated, excuses.
Thanks.
Comment by Null — July 2, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
Yeah, please! Where does excessive come in since the sentence was within the time stipulated in the law? This was a trial (originally) to find who leaked classified info and Libby obstructed that invetigation. That is a felony crime, as are the other proven beyond-a-reasonable-doubt charges. “Witch-hunt†used to refer to those innocent who were wrongly accused of being something that does not exist. Now it refers to the false idea that reasonable accusations are purely politically motivated. So really, what witch?
What exactly is Fitzgrald’s political motivation? Isn’t he a republican? What political motivationn does he or anyone involved (wasn’t the judge appointed by Bush?) specifically have?
If you took out the names and party affiliations, would someone who lied and obstructed the investigation into who leaked secret information (during war-time, no less) still deserve to walk? Why would anyone want to hinder finding who is care-free with something that needs to be carefully held? Isn’t lying a bad thing, so bad it’s a felony?
Comment by Bob — July 2, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
Trolls?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmWe have one pledge for Sweden — do I hear two?
Comment by Jake
I’ve got a good medical plan, so I don’t need to leave. Sorry, Jake, but most of us don’t give up without a fight. Not being cowardly Republic trolls, that is.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmJake > the owner of this blog site lives in Sweden and loves it dude.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmAnyone else?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 pmJake > the owner of this blog site lives in Sweden and loves it dude.
Comment by Jay Randal
And, for the record (gag), I intended no slight of Sweden. All those pretty people!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 pmThis newbie’s confused, but it’s not your fault, Zooey. It’s the trolls I can’t understand.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 pmYou didn’t post 230?
Funny, it has your name.
If its not a hijack, you owe her an apology.
Comment by Wayne
Zooey knows that it isn’t what you thought it was. Chill.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 pmI’m confusing the newbies. :D
Clinton once nicked himself shaving.
Comment by Zooey
lmao
Well, Gore once quit shaving and grew a beard =P
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 pmAnyone else?
Comment by Jake
Oops, Jake, you forgot: “Anyone else, not on my ignore list, who thinks there’s any point in responding to me.”
Fixed.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 pmI guarantee you, had Dubya not pushed the cost of gas into $3.00 a gallon ranges by invading Iraq _and_ Afghanistan, I’d probably not be here or anywhere else. congrats. Your guy turned a 27 year old non-political guy into a 33 year old liberal, leaning in the direction of the philosophies of the greens and libertarians.
And it will be a LOOOOOONG time before I pull that R lever again.
Can’t be that long. 20 years after Jimmy Carter kissed the Ayatollah’s feet and shattered our economy with record unemployment and inflation, you were pulling that D lever.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 pmI like Swedish women, so I would love the place.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:55 pmClinton once slammed his finger in a car door.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:55 pmClinton, OJ, Berger, William Jefferson, Jimmy Carter … and now Bush.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmJake > your Brokeback Mountain lover m12 just showed up on this thread.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 pm20 years after Jimmy Carter kissed the Ayatollah’s feet and shattered our economy with record unemployment and inflation, you were pulling that D lever.
Comment by m12
And after Reagan sold weapons to the Ayatollah’s followers, and lied to the american people while doing it…
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmI don’t even like Hillary. All the money I’ve donated has been to Edwards. But just to spite these rat bastard trolls I’m going to vote for Clinton just to drive their furry little asses crazy.
In which case you are clearly endorsing Pardongate!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmPost #317 Comment by John Sacks — July 2, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
317 – hehehehehehehe. You really have no clue. Toke another hit and sey “hey man†slow and sure 3 times.
Comment by John Sacks
Idiot.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmDo they still have a lever on your favorite penny slot,
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmdown at the cafe, m12?
Please don’t mention Brokeback Mountain. It make me cry.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 pmAnd after Reagan sold weapons to the Ayatollah’s followers, and lied to the american people while doing it…
Small details for a man who singlehandedly shattered the Soviet Union.
You have to thank Carter, though. The American people were so sick of him that they gave the Presidency to the GOP for 12 years.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:59 pmThe devil’s in the details.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:00 am“Small details for a man who singlehandedly shattered the Soviet Union.”
Ha, ha, ha, ha, that’s a good one. He was on duty when the USSR fell, nothing else.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:01 amHay m12 ecumomyth
http://69.31.42.66/whitney06302007.html
According to Reuters:
“Banks doubled the amount of CDOs outstanding in the past two years to $2.6 trillion, including a record $769 billion sold last year, according to J.P. Morgan. These figures include funded and unfunded issuance. Pimco’s Bill Gross said there are hundreds of billions of dollars of subprime residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS), derivatives on subprime RMBS and collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) that buy subprime RMBS and/or the derivatives on the RMBS — all of which he considers “toxic waste.”‘
“$2.6 trillion”! That’s enough to bring down the whole economy. And, as Bear Stearns proves, the whole mess is beginning to unwind pretty quickly.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:04 amanyone think Bush will fire Fitz?
Comment by Zappatero — July 2, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Thats why Fitz is playing his hand close to his chest.
Fitz is a prosecutor, and he knows where we are in history.
Bush clearly IS guilty of conspiracy to commit fraud, so I wouldn’t assume that Fitz has told everyone ALL he’s going to do.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:06 amYou have to thank the GOP culture of corruption though. The American people are so sick of them that they will give the Presidency to the Democratsts for the next 12 years.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:06 amWell, Gore once quit shaving and grew a beard =P
Comment by Wayne
Clinton enjoyed the movie “Jeremiah Johnson.” :D
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:06 amSmall details for a man who singlehandedly shattered the Soviet Union.
Comment by m12
Stop! Stop! I’m going to snort good bourbon out my nose. This is so funny.
Ronnie Reagan was Superdooperman. What a scream!
This is the guy who couldn’t read two pages of double-spaced text without falling asleep. Republics think he was magic.
Good stuff. Very funny.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:06 amClinton discourages anyone from snorting good bourbon out of their nose.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:07 am“Small details for a man who singlehandedly shattered the Soviet Union.†The same guy who cut and ran from Beirut?
HAHA. Surely you jest. The soviet union was long in decline. Super Ronnie was moe interested in taking naps than donning his cape and flying to the demise of Russia.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:08 amWell, Gore once quit shaving and grew a beard =P
Comment by Wayne
So can Anne Coulter!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:09 amSmall details for a man who singlehandedly shattered the Soviet Union.
Yeah, Reagan’s TREASON is “small details”.
To ISLAMOTerrorist Saudi OIL WHOREBAGS like Bush and YOU…
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:09 amYou have to thank the GOP culture of corruption though. The American people are so sick of them that they will give the Presidency to the Democratsts for the next 12 years.
You mean like how the Democrats won in 2004? Oh wait…..
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:09 amNot the demise of Russia, but the USSR. We’re still dealing with Russia. Bush just had a man-date with Putin today.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:11 amYou mean like how the Democrats won in 2004? Oh wait…..
No, like how the Democrats gained the House and Senate back, and didn’t LOSE a single seat.
Americans are TIRED of TRAITORS like COXUCKER punk Bush and you..
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:12 amSmall details for a man who singlehandedly shattered the Soviet Union.
And could he stop a speeding bullet, leap tall buildings in a single bound? LOL.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:13 amWell, Gore once quit shaving and grew a beard =P
Comment by Wayne
So can Anne Coulter!
Comment by Solipsist
LMAO
Oh, yeah
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:13 amAnn’s Da Man =D
http://69.31.42.66/whitney06302007.html
Heckuva job Bernanke!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:14 amClinton once forgot to send his mom a birthday card.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:14 amHAHA. Surely you jest. The soviet union was long in decline. Super Ronnie was moe interested in taking naps than donning his cape and flying to the demise of Russia.
It wasn’t declining during the Carter years. Jimmy couldn’t even handle the Iranians, let alone the Russians.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:15 am“Clinton once forgot to send his mom a birthday card.”
Comment by Zooey — July 3, 2007 @ 12:14 am
Heinous!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 amI was litte when Carter was prez, but I thought he managed to get all those hostages returned alive.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 amClinton, yup, he did it too!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 amYou have to thank Carter, though. The American people were so sick of him that they gave the Presidency to the GOP for 12 years.
Comment by m12 — July 2, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
That is bullshit. Carter took over after the Vietnam War which the last years can be attributed to Nixon and Ford. He didn’t assume a good economy or a good deal. Carter is not the cause of Ronnie and his trickle down not working. The GOP has never, ever, been successful with economics, no matter what that lard assed, drug addled, gas bag told you. Read a book, dumbass.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 amSoviet Union imported grain all through the 1970s…. a nation in good health? Funny m12. Reagan traded with the Iranians, which is worse?
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:19 am#278 gummitch – Great point . . . so clear . . . yet so overlooked.
Brilliant.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:21 amSmall details for a man who singlehandedly shattered the Soviet Union.
Comment by m12
You ignorance is showing……..
Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union years before Ronnie Raygun was in office.
You idiots give Ronnie credit for something that took decades.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:21 amRead a book.
Learn some History, Moron.
Ronnie Ray-Guns (ZZaaaap) was simply a cooperative bystander.
The Soviet Union was being collapsed under its own weight of corruption, bureaucrcy, and indebtednes to it’s military overhead which could no longer control the empire.
And thus it splintered.
(sounds eerily familiar, and cuts kind of close to home, does it not?)
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:22 amHeinous!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Isn’t it? Oy….
Clinton loves rockyroad ice cream.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:22 amI see that Jake vanished, so m12 is his shift replacement.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 am#360
Carter might not have assumed a great economy but he left it in worse shape, with the highest inflation and unemployment in recent history, the highest oil prices in history, and negative GDP growth in Q4 1980-Q1 1981.
Got to love that record. Least he made Ronald Reagan popular.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:24 amClinton is terrible at hopscotch.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:26 amHey, let’s leave poor old Carter alone. Let’s get back to bashing Clinton and OJ.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:27 am#363
My history is quite accurate. Liberal history, on the other hand, seems to have missed the time period January 19-20, 2001, and the pardons of Clinton, Cisernos, Hearst, McDougal, Rich, and Rostenkowski!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:27 amThat’s more like it! Back to the Clinton did it, and everything Clinton id wa just fine, so Bush should do it too.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:28 amFormer US President Jimmy Carter has said Bill Clinton’s pardon of a controversial financier brought disgrace on the White House.
Speaking at a university in his home state of Georgia, Mr Carter said he believed that Mr Clinton had been influenced by contributions from the financier Marc Rich’s former wife.
Mr Clinton has denied that allegation, but the US Senate and federal prosecutors are carrying out two separate investigations into the pardon.
Mr Carter, a born-again Christian known for his moral rectitude, said he thought there was “no doubt” that Mr Clinton’s pardon of Mr Rich was partly “attributable to his large gifts”.
“In my opinion, that was disgraceful,” he said, describing it as one of Mr Clinton’s “most serious mistakes”.
I don’t know what’s funnier. Carter criticizing another President, or Carter being labelled a man of moral rectitude after leaving the hostages to die to the Muslims.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 am#371
Everything Clinton did is apparently fine. Why else would his wife be a serious Presidential candidate?
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 amMy history is quite accurate.
There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home, there’s no president like Reagan.
Clinton, Cisernos, Hearst, McDougal, Rich, and Rostenkowski!
In the cases of all of these, which were of convicted felons and before they served a sentence and which were government officials in the public trust?
See the difference? No, “there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home ” – we get it
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 amokay — to make this a BIGGER
liability for the president, let’s
gather the FACTS about his central
claim — his claim today was that
the punishment was excessive.
fitz is right. that is horseh!t.
let us, then, establish this as a lie.
i mean another one.
so, i have made an unscientific, hap-
hazzard, and generally-meandering start
at cataloging some of the cases — to
be updated from time to time — i will
set forth cases that are similar
to, or less egregious than
i. lewis libby’s, and then list the sentences imposed.
in each case, i will link the decision, so that
readers may judge for themselves whether
the conduct is similar, or less egregious.
i think patrick fitzgerald’s response, once
again, points the way forward. let us establish
that this sentence was in fact well-within the
range of similar criminal outcomes. then let
us ask the administration to explain covering
for the man who is protecting the vice-president,
and perhaps the president himself.
please add to mine, in comments, if
you are aware of any precedents we ought
to mention/summarize. . .
thanks in advance.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 amThe hostages died???
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 am#318
“Where does excessive come in since the sentence was within the time stipulated in the law?”
Laughably, this really throws a wrench in the Federal Sentencing Guidelines that Bush so supports.
If Libby’s sentence, moderate under the guidelines, was excessive, what happens to all others sentenced under the same guidelines? Look forward to a boatload of appeals.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:31 amCarter criticizing another President, or Carter being labelled a man of moral rectitude after leaving the hostages to die to the Muslims.
Oops, looks like your pants are on fire now m12.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:32 am#373 – Remember when Jeb Bush was going to be his brother’s heir apparent? Apparently everything Bush has done is not just fine after all.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 amMy history is quite accurate. Liberal history, on the other hand, seems to have missed the time period January 19-20, 2001, and the pardons of Clinton, Cisernos, Hearst, McDougal, Rich, and Rostenkowski!
Comment by m12
And WTF does that have to do with your silly claim about “Ronnie RayGun!! Soviet Slayer!!!” I responded to?
You really are slow aren’t you?
Defend your claim.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 amClinton enjoys a good cuppa joe.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 am#374
Rostenkowski was Clinton’s major ally in Congress, who pushed through his tax hikes and tried to push through his healthcare program.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 amClinton likes trolls with pink hair.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 am#376
No, they didn’t die. Mere minutes after taking the oath of office, Ronald Reagan brought the hostages home.
The Iranians did not dare challenge a man of such fortitude.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 am#379
When was this? Jeb has never declared himself a Presidential candidate.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:36 amM12, you do not understand what it is to be a moral person. You cannot base your morals on what someone else did or didn’t do.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe Clinton was wrong. SO WHAT? What does that have to do with Bush? NOTHING.
Bush was wrong. You cannot judge Bush on someone else’s wrong. You must judge Bush on his own actions.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:36 amClinton likes trolls with pink hair.
Comment by Zooey — July 3, 2007 @ 12:35 am
So that means Bush does too? Cool!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:36 am“…….after leaving the hostages to die to the Muslims.”
Comment by m12
My, but thee certainly are a wormtongue, Citizen m12!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:36 amHast though been in the cups for some time?
#385 – Sorry, I wasn’t talking about Jeb himself. I was referring to the hype of the Left-Wing Media back when Dubya’s popularity was through the roof. Most potential candidates don’t announce their intentions until a year or so before the election, by which time it was too late for anyone with the last name of Bush.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:40 am“No, they didn’t die. Mere minutes after taking the oath of office, Ronald Reagan brought the hostages home.”
Comment by m12
(Please refer to “Iran -Contra / Arms for Hostages”
Key word: Oliver North)
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:40 amNo, they didn’t die. Mere minutes after taking the oath of office, Ronald Reagan brought the hostages home.
The Iranians did not dare challenge a man of such fortitude.
Comment by m12 — July 3, 2007 @ 12:35 am
Not while Reagan agreed to arm them in exchange for the hostages…bullsh*t m12, you are a worthless, talking-point drone.
Ooh Ronnie negotiated with ‘terrorists’, ‘cut and run’ from the Lebanon and broke US law by arming the Contras and the Iranians…..
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:42 amEven appellate judges appointed by republicans are considering early retirement over the recent Supreme Court decisions that throw stare decisus to the wind are thinkind . . . thank you again for this one.
After all decent USAs flee due to a fire-storm of controversy, the Justice Department facies a mass exodus of clerks, judges and support personnel brought on by the deluge of law suits filed by communities, minorities, school districts, class action litigators, etc. . . all as a result of recent judicial decisions and Libby’s pardon.
For those willing to stay on . . . hope they have health insurance.
Judicial activism at its finest.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:42 amReagan likes a nice cuppa joe.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:43 amMy history is quite accurate. Liberal history, on the other hand, seems to have missed the time period January 19-20, 2001, and the pardons of Clinton, Cisernos, Hearst, McDougal, Rich, and Rostenkowski!
Well, it seems that NaziTRAITOR history like YOURS seems to have forgotten Daddy Bush who:
1. PARDONED INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST ORLANDO BOSCH.
2. PARDONED the IRAN/CONTRA CRIMINALS, thus covering his OWN azz and TRAITOR Ronnie’s.
Just like his idiot son with TRAITOR Libby…
The Bushes, by HW’s OWN WORDS, are the most
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:43 amINSIDIOUS OF TRAITORS.
Got to love that record. Least he made Ronald Reagan popular.
Comment by m12 — July 3, 2007 @ 12:24 am
I don’t know your age but Ronnie Reagan wasn’t that well thought of. He is another modification of history of the GOP. They like to remake history. Your boy Dubya thought that Ronnie was a hero and look at his fucked up six years.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 amIt’s not surprising that the wingnuts are squealing about Marc Rich. Nor is it surprising that they apparently do not remember that Marc Rich’s attorney was…I. Lewis Libby.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 am#395 – Is that true? That’s really funny.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:45 amReagan likes a nice cuppa joe.
Reagan is DEAD, and BURNING IN HELL for his LIES and CRIMES…
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:45 amReagan once enjoyed a nice cuppa joe.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:46 amAh, yes, circle round round circle
Iran-Contra
At the heart of what’s wrong with Presidental Pardon Power: No one suffers the consequences and not only is the behavior repeated (Thanks, Richard), but people forget that crimes were committed.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:46 amSo, it won’t be long until we’re saying, “It’s okay if Hillary does this, the great sainted Dubya did it too.”
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:48 am“……Marc Rich’s attorney was…I. Lewis Libby.”
Comment by Dr. Wu
I have often pondered this conjunction, and my musings carry over into considerations of how tangled Hillary’s weavings may be.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:50 am#395 – Is that true? That’s really funny.
Comment by Egreggious — July 3, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Absolutely true. It sucks that the talking heads don’t talk about THAT! There goes that “librul media” again!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:53 am“It’s okay if Hillary does this, the great sainted Dubya did it too.â€
Comment by Egreggious — July 3, 2007 @ 12:48 am
The prospect of the watching the same people do a 180 on their ‘unitary executive’ bs is almost worth the vote.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 amLMAO!!
Keith Ohberman :”George W Bush, Today’s Worst Person In The Wooooorrrlld!”
Catch the clip if it hits UTube.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 amSo that means Bush does too? Cool!
Comment by Egreggious — July 3, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Dude, I’m workin’ this corner. Git yer own gig.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:57 amClinton luvs him some Keith Olbermann.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:58 amIt’s been fun doing my special “Clinton Non Sequitur Night.”
I hope all the regulars enjoyed tonight’s activities as much as I have enjoyed bring them to you.
Thanks for your applause. I’ll be here all week. :-D
Goodnight!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:03 amGoodnight, Zooey. Thanks for the laughs.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:04 amBush did the right thing by commuting the sentence of Scooter Libby. The sentence was too extreme. Sandy Berger got no jail time. Nither did Bill Clinton when he lied under oath.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:11 am#409 – You forgot to mention OJ.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:12 amYeah, this is all a fun-fest for all kinds of witty commentary, but, for the judiciary, it’s quite problemmatic.
Hard to imagine where it’s going to go.
Just a thought, a part of the Bush’s agenda has been to skew institutions so far right, that they cannot return. Recent Supreme Court decisions accomlish this. The construction of compounds in Iraq do this. The expansion of the executive and the “no where land” claims of absolute status of the office of the VP do this.
Where they were unable to do this is in the hearts and mind of the American people.
Dems need to take a bird’s eye view of the Republican agenda and changes. How deep do they go? Have the courage to suffer and pluck these suckers out at their root. It’s gotta hurt, but we’ve been hurtin’. We can take it.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:13 amDoes it really matter to argue about Libby? The Demopublican Plutocracy has a firm hold on government.
We can sit here and argue about how bad or good the Republicans or Democrats are. When it comes down to it, at the core they are both Kleptocrats. They each just found their wedge issue niche, most of which are purely meaningless to the core values of ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ that ’supposedly’ this country was founded on. Of course.. conveniently.. we say that while forgetting the broken backs of slavery of which this country was founded.
The actions of government and corporate greed are always contradictory.
One question I often ask is (but never find a straight answer)… why do the ancestors of the slaves frequently still hold the religion of their enslavers so dear? Obviously they were not ‘god’s children’ at the time of their ancestor’s abduction from Africa. Enslave the body… Enslave the mind… old tactics often exercised by many ancient nations/empires/kingdoms. Look at Egypt. Look at feudal Britain. Look at the good ol’ US of A.
Thus our minds are enslaved to lead us to believe that we do live in a ‘free democracy’. When in truth. We are not truly free. We are not truly in a Democracy.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:13 amBush and Cheney may have kept their word on something (shocking as that might be),
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:14 amIt seems likely that a deal was signed in blood in the last week or so of Libby’s trial. Remember that Cheney was going to testify but, the day of or the day before the expected testimony Team Libby stated that they had changed their minds. This was preceded by a week or two of rhetoric about the unfairness of Libby being scapegoated and abandoned. My Deal-dar sensed at the time that a deal to prevent imprisonment in exchange for Omerta code swallowing of come what may pending conviction, sentencing, and an order to report to prison.
JK
JK_Straw is gay.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:20 amJK_Straw is gay.
Comment by John Perry
GW Bush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK ISLAMOTerrorist
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 amSaudi OIL WHOREBAG.
JK_Straw is gay.
Comment by John Perry
I don’t care.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:24 amI know JK_straw from another site. I’m just razzing him.
GW Bush is not a traitor. He did the right thing by commuting the sentence of Libby.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:26 amBecause the sentence was too harsh?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:27 amI’m glad TP left Libby not serving any jail time as the lede story. Too bad you looney lefties!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:29 amOkay, all of you Constitutional laywers, post Libby commutaition:
1. Jeopardy has attached, can proceedings be re-opened if he speaks?
2. If he decides to tell tales, could his commutation or probation be revoked? Commutation v. Probation?
3. CouldLibbye be re-tried if new facts emerged that were not available in the first trial? (e.g., NRC releases e-mails in which Libby says, Gonzo keeps trying to get me to lie, but I know that we just want to fire these libs for political reasons, and Valerie Plame is a fri**in spy. I’ve got more yellow cake at my house. Sh**t, she could fry us.”
You’re daughter really having that kid?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:31 amToo good! The Republicans just seem more and more corrupt with their disdain for the ruleof law.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 amI’m glad TP left Libby not serving any jail time as the lede story. Too bad you looney lefties!!
Comment by Jake
A couple of PATRIOTIC CIA AGENTS need to take Libby “OUT”!!.
I would CHEER the demise of this TRAITOR to the USA…
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 amPlame was not a covert agent. She was a desk jockey and a committed Democrat.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:35 am#423 – Blah, blah, blah.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:37 amPlame was not a covert agent. She was a desk jockey and a committed Democrat.
Comment by John Perry
Yup, you keep telling yourself that neither Fitzgerald nor the CIA, who requested the investigation into the exposure of a COVERT SPY,
are “wrong” and YOU are “right”!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
P.S. I hope the CIA spies knock off Libby for being a TRAITOR…
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:38 amIf Plame were covert, Richard Armatage would have been charged with a crime. He was not.
Plame was not covert. She was just a Democrat partisan.
JK_straw, you still there?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:40 amThe CIA needs to “take care” of Libby.
Fish his azz out of the RIVER a couple months later…
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:41 amSo you’re saying that, because Valerie Plame was not covert, Scooter’s sentencing on convictions of perjury and obstruction of justice were too harsh?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:42 amSo Libby lied and obstructed justice to protect Cheney from being charged with Treason and since Bush was complicit in all this he had to commute Libby’s sentence.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:44 amSo Libby lied and obstructed justice to protect Cheney from being charged with Treason and since Bush was complicit in all this he had to commute Libby’s sentence.
Comment by Bob
That is CORRECT. TREASONOUS TRAITORS to the USA, all!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:45 amThe commute leaves open an odd door. Not sure this has been visited by the court. Clearly, Libby’s wife is angry. Marital privilege could prevent her from speaking. If he outlasts his two-years of probation, he could speak. (Better have really good security). He could write it all out and send itt to an anonymous box is Switzerland.
If I were him, I’d blow doors. Send it to the box, take the money, get a sail boat and get out!
Call me what you like.
I suspect that somewhere on a desert idland, these guys all eat lobster and laugh at us. Ken Leye, may you choke on albicore.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:47 am“Bush was complicit in all this ”
You’re just repeating what Joe Wilson said, you stupid idiotic moron.
Plame and Wilson were both Democrat partisans. She sent her husband on that mission to Niger.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:47 amisland, oops.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:48 amPlame and Wilson were both Democrat partisans. She sent her husband on that mission to Niger.
Comment by John Perry — July 3, 2007 @ 1:47 am
You’re just repeating what all the rep hacks
said, you stupid idiotic moron.
FFUKK YOU!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:49 amAnd, darn it all, Wilson was wrong to blow a hole in that “Saddam has weapons of mass destruction” mantra. After all, it turned out Iraq was just rolling in WMD.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:51 amPlame and Wilson were both Democrat partisans. She sent her husband on that mission to Niger.
YOU are just repeating what RUSH told you to say, you TREASONOUS azzhole-licker of Bush the ISLAMOTerrorist Saudi OIL WHOREBAG…
And NONE of what you say is true. Unless you are talking with fellow “dittoheads”., then you can circle-jerk each other…
REAL Americans know better…
And the CIA SNIPERS need to “have a talk” with Libby…
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:51 am“then you can circle-jerk each other”
That’s what you, egregious and Bob are doing.
Just Democrat talking heads. No original thoughts. Just parroting what Joe Wilson told you to say.
Plame was not a covert agent. Hasn’t been for some time.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:54 amAnd NONE of what you say is true.
Thanks for saying that. I wanted to say it myself, but didn’t want to be responsible for finding all the links to prove it.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:55 amYeow -
you stupid idiotic moron . . .
have you lost all semblance of civility?
Losers attack.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:55 amI can’t wait to see Bush and Cheney, et al, swinging from a gallows at the Hague. Hope they leave the bodies up so the crows peck out their eyes.
Comment by Chadwick — July 2, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
As tempting as such thoughts may be to entertain, that is honestly the easy way out. To rot in prison for 5 years (Dick Cheney and Tony Snow) to 25 years (George W. Bush and most of his inner circle) to 50 years (Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez and the other “younger” folks on Team Bush) is a far more weighty and just punishment. To see all the evil you tried to bring to the world, to see all of the power you tried to usurp, to see all of the money you attempted to steal, to see it ALL slip through your fingers, to see justice REALLY served, and to be spit upon every single day for the rest of your lives, now THAT is true justice.
Just dying? Nah, that’s just not punishment enough.
Besides which to say, Bush, at least, with his sociopathic, sadistic mind, would probably get some sort of twisted joy out of knowing that his death brings happiness to so many.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:56 amKlinton,
he did it too.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:58 amDamn it looks like the late shift gets the doltass trolls. You know, the ones that can’t think for themselves. How many Iranians knew Brewster Jennings was a CIA front, or that Ms Plame was other than the CEO of said company? Anybody want to take that one and run with it?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:58 amMy understanding is that the prosecutor felt that there had been so much obstruction of justice and other shenanigans that he could not prove that Armitage had committed the crime which the CIA itself asked the Justice Department to look into.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:58 amKlinton…
he did it 2!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:58 amNo original thoughts.
Actually, FACTS, unlike YOUR bullzhit about Plame NOT being covert.
Fitz, the JUDGE and the CIA said COVERT.
TRAITORS like YOU will say ANYTHING to cover for TRAITORS like Bush.
LIES are what you DO…
And so YOUR credibility vs. the JUDGE and PROSECUTOR is NIL.
Only to Rush and your “ditto-head” circle-jerk of TRAITORS…
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 amIt’s a goddamn shame, I know a John Perry, former officer, Vietnam vet and to see someone, under his name, posting this BS, just makes me sick.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 amKKKlinton,
he did it tooooooooooooooooooooo.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:00 amHey attacking loser,
Have you ever been an undercover agent?
If GWB said that outing an undercover agent was the worst form of treason, would you argue?
No doubt, worst thing that ever happened to you was getting beat up on the playground because of your acme. At that point, you decided, law enforcement was your destiny. Kick ass zit boy.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:00 am“My understanding is”
You have the comprehension of a 1st grader. What makes you think you can understand this?
If outing Plame were a crime, Armatage would have been charged. But he wasn’t, because it wasn’t a crime. She was a desk jockey who sent her husband on a mission to Niger.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:00 amKlinnntooonnnn deeeeed ittt toooooooo
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:01 amFitzgerald said it best: “Although the President’s decision eliminates Mr. Libby’s sentence of imprisonment, Mr. Libby remains convicted by a jury of serious felonies, and we will continue to seek to preserve those convictions through the appeals process.”
So, the current president-in-charge-of-Vice’s Scooter-boy is now CONVICTED FELON Scooter Libby, and will remain that way until the current, corrupt, criminal president pardons him.
Until that time, trolls, call Libby by his correct title: CONVICTED FELON Scooter Libby! (Or, as old “Law and Order” Thompson calls him, “a good American.” What a pair of lying pieces of crap!)
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:01 amIf outing Plame were not a crime, why did the CIA request action?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:01 am“It’s a goddamn shame, I know a John Perry, former officer, Vietnam vet and to see someone, under his name, posting this BS, just makes me sick.”
I got tired of all of that liberal shit.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:02 am#439. I should have put that first sentence in quotes. I don’t speak that trash. I was responding.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:03 am“why did the CIA request action?”
Plame, herself, requested it, just like she sent her husband on that mission to Niger.
Plame lied to congress. When is Fitz going to investigate her?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:03 amIf outing Plame were a crime, Armatage would have been charged. But he wasn’t, because it wasn’t a crime. She was a desk jockey who sent her husband on a mission to Niger.
So, if George W. Bush was a TRAITOR to the USA, he would be CHARGED??
He IS a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK and a WAR CRIMINAL.
But NOT charged.
So much for your logic..
PATRIOTIC CIA SNIPERS, go “GET” Libby!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 amComment by Egreggious — July 3, 2007 @ 1:58 am
Right. That’s why it looks like the sentence was commuted: the cloud over the VP.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 amFitz is a lousy Republican.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 am“the current president-in-charge-of-Vice’s Scooter-boy is now CONVICTED FELON Scooter Libby”
Sandy Berger is also a felon.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 amWhat rank did you attain in the service John?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 amKKKKKlinton did it TOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOoooo!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:05 amPlame lied to congress. When is Fitz going to investigate her?
REALLY?? HOW did she LIE??
PROOF??
Or just MORE TREASONOUS LIES by a Bush azzhole-licker like YOU??
Yup…
CIA Spies need to make Scooter “gone” for GOOD (of the USA!)
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:07 amWow, aka John Perry, taking on the identity of the fallen dead. You are one brave man. I do believe that’s a war crime.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:09 amIf Plame wan’t covert, why didn’t Bush just pardon Scooter instead of commuting his sentence? I mea, if this whole thing was just a farcical miscarraige of justice, why should Scooter’s future be so tarred?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:09 amHe deeeeeeed it,
Klinton,
he deeeeeeeeed it
TOOOOoooooOOOOooooooOOOOOOoooooOOOOOo
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:09 amSandy Berger is also a felon.
Comment by John Perry
Berger eventually pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge…
–Wikipedia
Libby, on the other hand, is a CONVICTED FELON…
Do you BushTRAITORS EVER tire of LYING???
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:10 amOJ was almost a felon.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:10 amEgregg, you make an excellent point. If no crime were committed, the chymp shoulda pardoned the bastard. Why no pardon, Johnny boy?
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July 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 amKlinton?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 amAny body is a position to prosecute?
#453. “It’s a goddamn shame, I know a John Perry, former officer, Vietnam vet and to see someone, under his name, posting this BS, just makes me sick.â€
I got tired of all of that liberal shit.
Comment by John Perry — July 3, 2007 @ 2:02 am
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 amBerger is a convicted felon as well.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:11 amCIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:12 amCIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
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CIA Bullet in the head for Libby!!
Berger = Nonsequitir
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:12 am“Why no pardon, Johnny boy?”
That’s next.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:13 amBerger is a convicted felon as well.
Comment by John Perry
GW Bush and Dick Cheney are CONVICTED FELONS as WELL!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:13 amIf Hillary is elected, she is going to pardon convicted felon Sammy Berger so he can work in her administration.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:14 amCHENEY ‘08
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:14 amIf outing Plame were a crime, Armatage would have been charged. But he wasn’t, because it wasn’t a crime. She was a desk jockey who sent her husband on a mission to Niger.
Comment by John Perry — July 3, 2007 @ 2:00 am
Still having a hard time understanding how the Rule of Law works, “Celestial Bridge-Dweller of One Thousand and One Names”?
You cannot convict someone, or even bring someone to trial, if there is not enough evidence. One of the most effective ways of preventing a crime from being exposed is calls, wait for it, “obstruction of justice”. When a person “obstructs justice”, they lie, or else they “lie through omission” about the crime being investigated. This hampers the discovery process. This hampers the Rule of Law itself. And that, boys and girls, is why “obstruction of justice” is a serious crime. It prevents the justice system from discovering the truth. In other words, it prevents the justice system from working at all.
The underlying crime has yet to be proven, because Libby obstructed justice so successfully. If Libby had not obstructed justice, a CRIME for which he has been judged GUILTY by a jury of his piers, and the conservative judge overseeing the case, discovery would have led us to the truth.
I know, I know. It’s compli-muh-cated. You’ll get it one day, ya wascawy wittle twaitor.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:14 am“Why no pardon, Johnny boy?â€
That’s next.
You finally said something that’s true.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:15 amKarl Rove is a CONVICTED FELON, too!
Jadk Abramoff, too!!
Tom Delay, too!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:15 amIf Hillary is elected, she is going to pardon convicted felon Sammy Berger so he can work in her administration.
Yeah, like Daddy Bush pardoning INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST Orlando Bosch
and all the Iran/Contra FELONS who DO work in idiotboy’s admin…
Again, any PROOF of Berger’s “felony”?
NO? I have PROOF of Libby’s FELONIES!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:17 amInstead of making wild ass guesses about what your authority figure might do next, explain why he didn’t pardon him. He has the authority to do so, now why would he not exercise that option instead of leaving him with a criminal record?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:17 amPraise Jesus!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:18 amVote For
CHENEY ‘08 †
Don’t you mean FULL PARDON 4 CONVICTED FELON LIBBY, Murdurous President?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:18 amPraise the CIA SNIPERS. “take out” Cheney…
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July 3rd, 2007 at 2:19 amAnd, if you don’t believe the jury, maybe you’ll believe Dubya, who admitted today that he believed Scooter was guilty of the crimes he was convicted of. They weren’t bad crimes though, not like the one Paris Hilton committed. She had to serve some jail time.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:19 amSorry, I meant Libby, NOT Cheney…
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:19 amKliiinnton,
he ddeeeeeeeed itttt ttooooooooooOOOOooOOOoOOOoooooo
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:20 amInstead of making wild ass guesses about what your authority figure might do next, explain why he didn’t pardon him. He has the authority to do so, now why would he not exercise that option instead of leaving him with a criminal record?
Political compromise. Trying to appease his base while not utterly offending slightly more sane voters.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:21 am“He has the authority to do so, now why would he not exercise that option”
And he will grant him a full pardon. That is next. I can’t wait to see Olberman’s head pop off. All the silly liberals that defended Clinton lying under oath, and Sammy Berger lying under oath will be hoisted on their own pretards.
JK_straw is gay.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:22 amComment by Egreggious — July 3, 2007 @ 2:19 am
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:24 amClinton did it too!
All the silly liberals that defended Clinton lying under oath, and Sammy Berger lying under oath will be hoisted on their own pretards.
Are you equating Libby’s crime with Clinton’s and Berger’s? Do you think those two got the justice they deserved? Or is justice not the issue here?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:24 amAnd if lying in a post and stupidity were crimes , you’d be imprisoned for several millenia ………
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July 3rd, 2007 at 2:31 amClinton?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:34 am“If there’s a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is . . . If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.â€
Chimpy McFlightsuit – September 30 , 2003
Most people were under the assumption you meant they would be punished , you retarded simian ; not have you commute their prison sentence , you grinning , braying , stupid , useless fucking jackass……..
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:39 amBill Clinton lied under oath.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:39 amSLeEP WElL mY LEfTY FRiENDs!!! YoU HAVe MOrE DIsApPOINtMEnT TO LoOK FOrWARd TO ToMORrOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:40 amBill Clinton lied under oath.
Comment by John Perry — July 3, 2007 @ 2:39 am
So did Libby ; and Clinton was put under oath.
How come AWOL McFlightsuit and 5 Deferrment Chickenshit Dick won’t go under oath ?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:44 amClinton was put under oath because he sexually harassed Paula Jones, and many other women.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:46 amMr. Prssident,
Just because you put your fingers in your ears, hold your nose and go NOOOOHHHHNAHAHHHHHHA like a one-year old doesn’t make you an adult.
It doesn’t improve your policies or public persona.
I am still baffled why this site doesn’t cut you off.
Either way, you are the personification of our president.
Time to pick up your pacfie and go home. Too bad our troops can’t do the same. Oh well, you’re probably living in the lap of lux. Which Chitoos should I put out tonight. Brit’s comin over for a lip wax!!!
Tootles., dood.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:46 amClinton was put under oath because he sexually harassed Paula Jones, and many other women.
Comment by John Perry — July 3, 2007 @ 2:46 am
Are you implying that Chimpy and Dickhead are innocent of any type of wrongdoing , whatsoever ?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:48 amMr. President… am I to assume that with all this scribble you are putting out there … you are truly enjoying the ruination and ongoing moral decay of our country?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:52 amPost #496
the infantility of Mr President matches perfectly his namesake’s in the WH. How do we know it’s not him?
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:03 amPost #496
the infantility of Mr President matches perfectly his namesake’s in the WH. How do we know it’s not him?
Comment by doro — July 3, 2007 @ 3:03 am
We already know that it is …………
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:07 amA plea to everyone (not a troll on this post), ignore mr. president, Mr. Perry, Rom3, J. Sachs & Egreggious. Just ignore every single thing that they say. You do no service to the democratic cause by answering to these trolls.
If TP won’t get rid of them. We will. If we can’t how the heck do you expect Nanci Pelosi to be able to get legislation passed the folks.
Don’t get down on the Democratic majority if you can’t control yourself?
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:19 amMCMetal. I’m not sure, you know. Sometimes the time of his entries are after Bedtime for Presidents. This here Mr President stays up late at times.
Sleepwriting? Accounts for lack of reason.
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:22 amThe Liberals made this into a witch hunt from the very beginning and got carried away with it but now the Bush administration made a decision which is perfectly legal but one that I would disagree with because I have more trust in the juries decision than someone who worked with and is very close to Libbey.
Everyone is making this into a political issue when in reality it is a matter of who leaked the identity of a CIA agent. Who cares if its Liberal or Conservative, whatever!! A criminal is a criminal.
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:24 amComment by rockyroad — July 3, 2007 @ 3:19 am
I second that. Ignore them as though they’re kids throwing a hissy fit.
MCMetal,
good to see you posting here as well as at Huffington (to name a few).
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:31 amShould you happen to converse with either GrouchoMarxist, Bama, Pix, Fem, SeaSalt, GumboYaYa, Swooge or JamesR, please tell them that CRC says “hello”.
I’ll try to join back into the fray once my health is better.
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Look also for a wolf in sheeps’ clothing. JeremyF pleads as a pacifist . . . yeah dood, we’re all liberal idiots.
“Everyone is making this into a political issue when in reality it is a matter of who leaked the identity of a CIA agent. Who cares888 . . .”
We care. GHWB cared: “The greatest crime of treason against this country is revealing the identity of an undercover agent.”
The a-political Justice Department has been politicized. How the hell can this not be a political issue.
Welcome to America. Dems disn’t make nonpartisian issues political, Rove, Cheney and Bush did.
Shut up. You are irrelevant.
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:32 amI second that. Ignore them as though they’re kids throwing a hissy fit.
MCMetal,
good to see you posting here as well as at Huffington (to name a few).
Should you happen to converse with either GrouchoMarxist, Bama, Pix, Fem, SeaSalt, GumboYaYa, Swooge or JamesR, please tell them that CRC says “helloâ€.
I’ll try to join back into the fray once my health is better.
.
Comment by ConservativesRCowards — July 3, 2007 @ 3:31 am
That , I will
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:43 amMCMetal,
Sorry you’re not feeling well. We certainly need you in the fray!
I’ll say my hellos on your behalf and look forward to chattin’ with you soon!
Be well : )
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:48 amClinton pardon commutation list will be forthcoming. Alot more unsavory than a mere Scooter Libby minnow I assure you.
Mena Arkansas anyone? What now, selective memory?
Clintons own Murder Inc. ring a bell? Leave Scooter alone, he is small fish compared to what Bill Clinton and Hillary pulled off.
PNAC is small potatoes compared to what the Clintons have reaped this nation for.
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:07 amNafta? WTO?
Ahh never mind, the bias here is atrocious.
Bush and Cheney are TRAITORS who need to be tortured at Gitmo
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:33 amThe same tired lies over and over.
That’s all it means to be a conservative. Not god, not family and certainly not Country.
Lying.
Lying over and over. Making believe it’s true. Ignoring everthing to the contrary. Then lying some more.
False outrage about fictional fears.
Then lying some more.
Throw in a “Clinton did it too!”
And spread those lies around.
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:36 amMCMetal,
Your voice is strong. It will be heard.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:04 amIf this Dictator can unilaterally decide that the sentence for one of his most loyal agents should be reduced from 2.5 years to Zero, then he can just as easily decide that his own term in office can be extended beyond the suggested 8 years to any duration of his choosing – regardless of whether or not he ever allows elections to occur.
The slippery slope is steep – and we are already in a FULL BLOWN DICTATORSHIP.
Name one single law that applies to this Administration.
You can’t.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:16 amace of Idiots
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:23 amCongratulations of all 518 post you have posted the Most Stupid one
“……will be hoisted on their own pretards.”
Comment by John Perry
I couldn’t help cracking up over this typo…. if it is a typo… LOL
The term is petard, unless of course,
it is used by a retard.
LOL
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:24 amAny of you fine Socialist care to Comment on the Pardon of Marc Rich ?
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:24 amMCMetal I think that you need a new Country
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:30 amFDR:
Name the law that applies to George Bush or Dick Cheney.
Name just one.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:31 amNo Comments on the Marc Rich Pardon ? Well Then I guess that we should put HYPOCRITE at the end of LIBERAL SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:34 amHas anybody noticed how Republicans win election at a rate of 2 to1 over Democrats ? Which is why they are refered to as the Party of Losers . )
Ace of Idiots is a sure fire Retard , dumber than a Ralph Nader Supporter . Oh How I hope that he runs again . )
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:36 amFDR is a closet Corvair lover.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:41 amFDR is incapable of answering a very simple direct question.
He has proven my point.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:46 amCitizen Circvs no I prefer an Avanti , but have you seen the prices that Corvairs are bringing ?
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:48 amWhat is your very simple direct question Ace of Idiots ?
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:50 amI am very capable of answering you question , the question is do you have enough gray matter between your ears to comprehend the answer , oh yeah gray matter is Brains . now lets all hear your question Dummy
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:55 amI know how it sounds when someone suggests changing the constitution every time something like this comes around. But, if we pester congress maybe we can get some action.
Clause 1: Command of military; Opinions of cabinet secretaries; Pardons
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
The ability to Pardon should be modified. Government employees should not be able to be pardoned. No pardons should be allowed in November, December, or January. This is to prevent lame ducks from making last minute pardons. If they are willing to accept the blowback from pardoning someone before an election, so be it.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:55 amName the law that applies to George Bush or Dick Cheney.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:00 amName just one.
Is this your Question ? if so all of them , after all that prosecutor mike Fitzgerald would be using the Articles of impeachment instead of doing Libby , don’t you think Dummy ?
Mike what about Pardoning of Fugitives on the run around the world that have not been Convicted ?
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July 3rd, 2007 at 8:07 amPresident Clinton’s eleventh-hour pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich has sparked a firestorm of controversy, launching investigations in both houses of Congress and igniting fierce protest from both Democrats and Republicans. The U.S. House and Senate have issued a rash of subpoenas calling for witnesses as well as financial records, as the House Government Reform Committee continued its hearings and the Senate Judiciary Committee geared up for its own proceedings.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:09 amAce
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:14 amI guess your point is that you are lacking the capacity to think on an adult level , Hence the term Retard
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99302,00.html
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:15 amClinton did it too
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:21 amkeep your tinder dry……..
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:30 amDick Armitage leaked Val’s name which launched her to stardom. Fitz knew it at the very beginning of the investigation but continued his scheme to build a perjury trap for Libby & others. Just like the Wilsons he too was drunk on his press reports and moonbat love.
In my America, I prefer prosecutors that investigate and prosecute crimes rather than the ones that create crimes to prosecute.
Being a conservative is not a crime in America, no matter how much you wish it so.
A full pardon was in order, not this half-ass BS President Bush handed down.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:31 amwe need to stage some kind of protest… blocking the entrance to Congress… skipping work so as to bring the country to a temporary standstill… we have to let them hear us in DC… this is unacceptable…
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:37 amComment by Pete Bogs — July 3, 2007 @ 8:37 am
Yes!!!
FULL PARDON!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:39 amI say we blow stuff up
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:45 amlike fire works
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 amI joked yesterday about the troll Mr President not having a life, but it really isn’t a joke, is it? Date-stamped 8:39 am and still posting content-free dribble.
Speed kills, Ms. P. Best leave it to the grown-ups.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 amor beach toys
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 amMCMetal I think that you need a new Country
Comment by FDR — July 3, 2007 @ 7:30 am
Yeah , one where the president upholds his sworn oath to defend our Constitution ; and without those like you in it , saying stupid shit , would be a plus , too ………………
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:59 amAt least Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald still blieves in the “rule of law”.
Pres. Bush is afraid that the “rule of law” will threaten him when he’s shown the door in 2009.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:01 amLOL JDC just described Ken Starr
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:04 amI have thought from the very beginning that Fitzgerald was in on the “fix”. After all, he was appointed by Bush. My theory was that the Bushies realized that they had to throw someone under the bus or the public would find out about Chaney’s participation in outing a covert agent. So, they voted for Scooter, reassuring him that he will never have to go to jail. And Fitzgerald went along with the fix. If he follows through with further action against Chaney, then he will prove me wrong, but I’m sure I am right.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:09 amor bushies legacy. HA
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:15 amtwo articles worth reading:
Former President Bill Clinton can now feel fully vindicated. In the first paragraph of his biography for history he will be absolved of all impeachment charges, with the reality that it was all about politics, which has now been put in proper perspective. Because George W. Bush today proved that the rule of law doesn’t matter if you’re a Republican. It’s all about the rule of politics. Rule of law for Republicans means one thing. The rule of law for Democrats means something entirely different. Now we’ve got the proof.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=25856 — full article.
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Extracts from Barbara Jordan’s 1974 speech before Congress so eloquently delivered as to why Richard Nixon should be impeached:
The nature of impeachment: a narrowly channeled exception to the separation-of-powers maxim. The Federal Convention of 1787 said that. It limited impeachment to high crimes and misdemeanors and discounted and opposed the term “maladministration.” “It is to be used only for great misdemeanors,” so it was said in the North Carolina ratification convention. And in the Virginia ratification convention: “We do not trust our liberty to a particular branch. We need one branch to check the other.”
“No one need be afraid” — the North Carolina ratification convention — “No one need be afraid that officers who commit oppression will pass with immunity.” “Prosecutions of impeachments will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community,” said Hamilton in the Federalist Papers, number 65. “We divide into parties more or less friendly or inimical to the accused.” I do not mean political parties in that sense.
The drawing of political lines goes to the motivation behind impeachment; but impeachment must proceed within the confines of the constitutional term “high crime[s] and misdemeanors.” Of the impeachment process, it was Woodrow Wilson who said that “Nothing short of the grossest offenses against the plain law of the land will suffice to give them speed and effectiveness. Indignation so great as to overgrow party interest may secure a conviction; but nothing else can.”
The Carolina ratification convention impeachment criteria: those are impeachable “who behave amiss or betray their public trust.”
James Madison again at the Constitutional Convention: “A President is impeachable if he attempts to subvert the Constitution.” The Constitution charges the President with the task of taking care that the laws be faithfully executed, and yet the President has counseled his aides to commit perjury, willfully disregard the secrecy of grand jury proceedings, conceal surreptitious entry, attempt to compromise a federal judge, while publicly displaying his cooperation with the processes of criminal justice. “A President is impeachable if he attempts to subvert the Constitution.”
If the impeachment provision in the Constitution of the United States will not reach the offenses charged here, then perhaps that 18th-century Constitution should be abandoned to a 20th-century paper shredder.
Has the President committed offenses, and planned, and directed, and acquiesced in a course of conduct which the Constitution will not tolerate? That’s the question. We know that. We know the question. We should now forthwith proceed to answer the question. It is reason, and not passion, which must guide our deliberations, guide our debate, and guide our decision.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/barbarajordanjudiciarystatement.htm — full speech plus the audio of Barbara Jordan’s powerful delivery of one of the greatest and most powerful speeches given in US history.
Her speech is more applicable today for Bush, Cheney and their entire den of thieves than it was when she delivered it 33 years ago.
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July 3rd, 2007 at 9:47 amThank you CRC for your post. Well stated and supported by fact.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:58 amBush and Cheney and Libby are TRAITORS who need to be tortured at Gitmo
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:03 amI first thought this was a bad thing but then I looked at the “whole picture.” This is not going to help Republicans in the long run. Yes, Libby gets to live his corrupt little life free from prison. But from a “big picture” standpoint, this helps Democrats in the future. Rich whiny white men who do corrupt things do not get sympathy from the general public. Commuting this sentence angers sensible people and further motivates them to make change in our government. Right now, conservative != change. This was a political mistake that Bush made to save his and Cheney’s hides. I can already hear the phone call from Libby, “If you don’t do something, I’m talking. “
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:36 amI wonder how many trolls here honestly believe that W would do the same to save their hides, even if they WERE innocent. I really wonder. Because I know a lot of them just make noise for the sake of making noise. But I wonder how many are actually of the mindset that justice was served and anybody else (at least any other conservative) would get the same treatment?
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:38 am#558 Comment by hellinabucket
Thanks, Hellinabucket, but I can’t accept any of the thanks at all.
All of the words above the hyperlink are from Barbara Jordan’s speech. I merely removed some Watergate references and highlighted some key points which still stand true (I should have said, “emphasis mine”)
Every patriot should read or listen to that speech… though it wouldn’t matter with to the GOP – they should just be honest and call themselves what they really are: Al Qaeda in America.
Hell, the traitors have more than ruined the country and these 29%ers dance around in jubilation like some in the Middle East did when we were attacked on 9/11.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:40 am.
correction:
though it wouldn’t matter with to the GOP
change to:
though it wouldn’t matter to the GOP
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insomnia sucks
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:46 am…and yes, that’s my excuse. 8(
On 28th October 2005 Fitzgerald’s grand jury issued five felony indictments against Lewis Libby — perjury, obstruction of justice, and lying to federal officials. Fitzgerald’s investigation of the Plame leak cost less than $1M up to the time the indictment was issued. By contrast, Ken Starr’s investigation of the far less serious Whitewater scandal of the Clinton administration cost $70M.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 amEveryone Calls Him “Scooter”; Isn’t That Punishment Enough?
Here’s my take on Scooter Libby:
Scooter Libby was specially targeted and given a harsh sentence because he’s closely associated with the President. He then got much of the sentence commuted because he’s closely associated with the President.
The system works.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:21 amBush wanted a legacy? He got one. A corrupt one.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:46 am#523
“The President may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective officers.” This I consider as a mere redundancy in the plan, as the right for which it provides would result of itself from the office.
He is also to be authorized to grant “reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, EXCEPT IN CASES OF IMPEACHMENT.”
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:49 pmInstead of making wild ass guesses about what your authority figure might do next, explain why he didn’t pardon him. He has the authority to do so, now why would he not exercise that option instead of leaving him with a criminal record?
Bush’s statement explains that clearly. He thought the prison term was excessive, but the fine was appropriate.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:51 pmBush and Cheney and Libby are TRAITORS TO THE USA who need to be tortured at Gitmo
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:12 pmSpeed kills, Ms. P. Best leave it to the grown-ups.
Comment by gummitch — July 3, 2007 @ 8:50 am
Clinton did it too.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 pmFitzgerald set out to do the right for his country. And if turns out he wasted four years of his life. I’m sure he can find another way to go at this thing. we the people would like to see an honest conclusion.
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe special Prosecutor is a coward. He’s letting Bush walk all over him and Justice. Apparently he doesn’t have the guts to go after these crooks. This guys is no Archibald Cox. He couldn’t carry Mr. Cox’s jock strap.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 pmComment by The Unknown Democrat — July 3, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
WTF are you talking about?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:32 ammoney …and power to keep his mouth shut prez knew about this long ago justiced is cheated once again in the USA…more to come i”m sure ..next
July 4th, 2007 at 11:03 amIt is obvious that Fitzgerald went afer Libby because Libby is Jewish. Fitzgerald uses such terms as “Talmudic Dissection”
July 4th, 2007 at 7:56 pmconcerning Libby’s appeal. He did not go after Armitage since Armitage is not a member of the Jewish people whom Fitzpatrck and Judge Walton seek to persecute. Thak God, President Bush knows bigotry when he sees it.
Gerhard Falk
And paris got time , are you kidding ,
July 5th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI am 54. I watched Vietnam as a young teen. I now know the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. “He” was a democrat. Now we have generation II in his Tradgic Flaw. As a democrat there was too much evidence to deny he was clean: too many fingers. Where does that leave us with George II when Bruce Fein, author of Clinton’s impeachment, insists on weighing in?
July 20th, 2007 at 9:18 pmSince the suit had to do with knowing who “outted” Valerie Plame, and this over-jealous, seemingly vindictive prosecutor knew that Richard Armitage was the one, I think Fitzgerald commited perjury!
August 21st, 2007 at 11:27 amAnd then there is Bill Clinton wondering freely doing the political circuit earning big bucks and his wife, who under oath, said any number of times, “I can’t remember”. Sandy Berger who stole classified documents, stuffing them in his pants!, no less, who got a slap on the wrist. Democrats wonder happily on the streets which I consider injustice at its worst!!!!!!??????