Wilson: Proponents Of Libby Pardon Are ‘Accessories To An Ongoing Crime’
Wilson: Proponents Of Libby Pardon Are ‘Accessories To An Ongoing Crime’
In a recent interview with “In The Know TV,” a public affairs television show broadcast in the DC area, Joe Wilson — the husband of former CIA undercover agent Valerie Plame — spoke out about the potential pardoning of Scooter Libby.
Wilson argued, “Considering that this is an obstruction of justice case, and considering that the prosecutor has said repeatedly that there remains a cloud over the Vice President, it seems to me that those who are arguing for pardon are in fact accessories to an ongoing crime.” He said that until the cloud over Cheney is lifted, the ultimate crime cannot be said to have been punished.
Wilson also argued that Bush should recuse himself from any involvement with the Libby scandal. “The idea that the President would not recuse himself given the superior-subordinate relationship he had with Mr. Libby — and considering that it would be the first time that you would consider a pardon in a criminal investigation that involves perhaps the Office of the President, certainly the Office of the Vice President — would be totally inappropriate,” he said. Watch it:
When asked his reaction to the fact that the White House has shown so much compassion for the Libby family without offering a public apology to his own family, Wilson said, “I would have thought that their parents would have raised them better.” He added, “I’ve actually learned not to expect anything from this crowd other than bad behavior.”
Bloomberg reports, “A quick pardon for Libby would go against Justice Department guidelines, which recommend that a supplicant wait five years after conviction or release from confinement before seeking a pardon.”
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Right on, brother-
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:18 amI believe he is a husband, not a wife.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:25 amPlease Joe, stick to ambassadoring or spending time with your knockout of a wife or growing facial hair or whatever else it is you do, but don’t play a great legal mind.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:25 amWhat was Libby’s crime again?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:26 am#4 Are you really that stupid? Libby was convicted of lying to investigators, committing perjury, and obstructing justice. All of those actions are crimes. Do you care to dispute that?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:31 amExpecting any sort of decency from this administration is a waste of time and effort.
A public apology? Surely you jest!? See the sentence above….
Um, lose the facial hair, Joe.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:33 amJoe says it exactly like it is, they are attempting to further obstruct a major crime. One that involves high crimes and misdemeanors.
Pardon would indicate a lawlessness that will destroy this country. We see quite enough spineless congresspersons that seem to equate the impeachment as a threat to themselves. If this is the case, then they are criminals in hiding, and a reason why we have no government to speak of.
we, the people, want true accountability. Anyone that does not has one of a few problems:
1. they believe in paying for their perks, and are thus into bribery
2. fear has turned you into a vegetable that prefers that others make all their decisions for them
3. you are a part of a conspiracy of activity and silence to commit crimes against humanity as a preventative measure for something you don’t understand
feel free to add other reasons why this country has imploded and lost it’s character
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:33 am#5 - VK
It knows, and it doesn’t care.
He’s just an Acerebralist. :D
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:34 amYeah whatever Joe.
There’s a reason there’s 4000 posts about scooter libby here and not 1 giving you the full quotation of Armitage as to how Plame’s name came up….. before Joe wrote his op-ed.
Someone was shopping her name around as a selling point for Joe’s story well before he wrote it. Armitage says who that was. Who was putting her name about in press circles.
And despite 4000 articles about this leak nobody wants to remember who that was. Where the original source of the leak says her name came from.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 amEnforce the laws on the books. Libby should spend time in prison for his involvement in the Bush administration’s treasonous acts. He should be joined by other Bush cronies too.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 am#8 Zooey, I know it knows and doesn’t care. I know it is lacking a moral compass. But I take what it says at face value and respond to it, to see what it says next. I’m just running rats in the maze to see how they respond to various stimuli.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 amNoticing the caption on the video…
I don’t believe Wilson was the “Ambassador to Iraq“, he was the “Ambassador to Niger“.
When will the media stop using trained monkey’s as fact-checkers?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 am#9 And another determined troll attempts to revise history. Allow me to summarize the facts known from the public record. Plame was covert. Her name was leaked by Bush operatives. Whether Armitage leaked it or not has no direct bearing on whether Cheney, Libby, Rove and others engaged in a criminal conspiracy to out a covert agent then cover up the crime.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:39 am#12 You are incorrect. Joe Wilson was acting ambassador to Iraq during the lead up to the first Gulf war. He was never ambassador to Niger. He went to Niger on a one time fact finding mission, not as ambassador.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 amdamn i hate stoopid.
to repeat, all that’s necessary:
Libby was convicted of lying to investigators, committing perjury, and obstructing justice. All of those actions are crimes. -VK
armitage etc is irrelavent to libby’s conviction…
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 amshut up with stoopid…
Keep speaking out Joe and keep the pressure on these crooks. It is a shame on America what this admin. has done to you and Valerie. You are courageous and deserve not only an apology but JUSTICE. Justice should come in the form of prison sentences for those in the WH who were a party to this crime against you, your wife and the American people ( and the Iraqi people)
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 amI hope more is brought to light with your lawsuit and Cheney is on the stand!
You and Valerie are true partiots, the scumbags that support Libby or a pardon are willing to support this criminal which makes them all criminals. The lack of morals on the right is sickening. If there is a hell, they will ALL rot in it.
Kilo,
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 amWhy was someone shopping V.Plame’s name around as a selling point , before Wilson’s article?
One can now say, according to the Adminisration ,that it’s ok if you lie to a Grand Jury,if you work for the Administration!
The real fact is that chickenshit Cheney is letting Libby take the rap.
Shooter & Scooter used to be real close. Now, not so much…
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:44 amI don’t believe Wilson was the “Ambassador to Iraq“…
Comment by Mugsy
Yes he was.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:45 amWhat was Libby’s crime again?
Comment by Rock Star — July 2, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Colossal stupidity ………Something you should be serving a life sentence for , obviously.
And you’re as much a “Rock Star” as Chimpy is a great president and tremendous public speaker…..You probably couldn’t play the lottery or radio , much less an instrument.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:46 amI’m not for a pardon, but I also wouldn’t call anyone that is a criminal. They have free speech and are welcome to say what they want.
“it seems to me that those who are arguing for pardon are in fact accessories to an ongoing crime.”
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:46 amWhich is illegal. Punishing people for unpopular speech isn’t the answer.
As the parade with the naked chimp came around the corner, Ambassador Wilson was the first to cry that the Chimperor has no clothes!
To keep the rest of the crowd quiet, the Chimp’s defenders came to the rescue and punished this utterance of truth.
The rest of the sycophantic crowd roared their approval, hoping that the Chimp would throw some scat their direction, showering them with his love.
Trolls live for the day that Bush will thank them personally for their support for his nakedness.
Carry on, you misguided freaks. You are beyond hope and beyond reason and don’t deserve to be called Americans.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 amI don’t believe Wilson was the “Ambassador to Iraq“, he was the “Ambassador to Niger“.
Close but I think he was Acting Ambassador to Iraq in 1990. President George Bush called him a “true American hero” for his defiance of Hussein while he sheltered 100s of Americans at the start of the 1st Gulf War.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 amThe ongoing crime has been the Iraq war. A completely unnecessary war triggered by lies and deceptions. The misuse of the CIA, FBI, NSA, and the Pentagon to line the pockets of White House cronies is part of this criminal behavior. And to coverup the crimes the DoJ has been gutted.
Farewell, Democracy. Goodbye, Freedom. The USA has become a dictatorship in much the same way that the Republic of Rome fell into an Empire. And now we can see poor Nero fishing off the coast of Maine.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:48 amFrom day 1 : I agree, it is waste of time to expect this Crime Cabal to uphold the Constitution, The Bill of Rights.
We are now entering probably the darkest days this country has ever faced. I’m just waiting for the next Provocative Act to blame Iran. Then the Sheeple all trembling and afraid, will almost plead with Chimpy and his Cohorts in Crime to protect them — all in the name of the continual stripping away of our civil liberties.
There are Dark Days Ahead, my friend.
Unless 9/11 is exposed as a Cover-Up we are going down some Very Dark Roads.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:51 amAs window dressing for the story one would presume.
But what does it matter what his motives were ?
She was covert. He knew this. He put her name out there to reporters well before the op-ed was published or even written.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:51 am#21 Wow. Revealing the identity of a covert agent is allowed free speech? The stupidity of this comment is simply mind-numbing.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:53 amYes, GWB feels so badly for all that Libby and his family are going through and couldn’t give a rat’s patoot about Joe and Valerie Wilson. This sounds like all the compassion that Cheney got when he shot Harry Whittington in the face — (”how horrible it is for Dick to be going through something so awful”).
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:53 amJoe Wilson was a Ambassor to the following Countries,Gabon,Sao Topme, Principe,appointed by none other than Bush 1. Wilson was also the Senior Director of African Affairs on the National Security Council ,appointed by Clinton.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:54 amWilson was well versed, and knowledgable about African Affairs,and stood up to Saddam right before Gulf War !
Eh, Wilson isn’t Plame’s wife.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:55 amJoe Wilson was an acting ambassador to Iraq under GHWB; and he was Ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and PrÃncipe in 1992-1995.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 amUnder what circumstances would it be possible for me to revise history by encouraging you to read that most pivotal part of it which goes unpublished ?
Projecting much ?
No, it wasn’t. There was a rather large and long investigation into that. Determined otherwise.
So you know, maybe your version of history does need a revision.
Correct. It has no bearing on that.
The only thing it has a bearing on is who gets to complain about Plame’s identity and job being outed.
In that regard, you, everyone you’ve ever met and ever will are one rung above Joe Wilson.
Seriously, would you let Dick Cheney complain about someone shooting someone else in the face as though this wasn’t hypocrisy ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:00 amThe difference would be that Dick’s did that by accident. He didn’t do it to make a name for himself.
I don’t believe Wilson was the “Ambassador to Iraq“, he was the “Ambassador to Niger“.
When will the media stop using trained monkey’s as fact-checkers?
Comment by Mugsy
Joe Wilson was acting ambassador to Iraq during the lead up to the first Gulf war. He was never ambassador to Niger. He went to Niger on a one time fact finding mission, not as ambassador.
Comment by VerbalKint —
VK is correct that Wilson was acting ambassador to Iraq and that he was never ambassador to Niger. Early in his career (1976-78) he worked as a General Services Officer in Niamey, Niger. He also worked in other African countries like South Africa, Congo, and Togo, and was Ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and PrÃncipe from 1992-95.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:00 amMaybe Mugsy ought to get a trained monkey to help with his/her fact-checking, as the simian might still do better than Mugshot.
I’m not for a pardon, but I also wouldn’t call anyone that is a criminal. They have free speech and are welcome to say what they want.
“it seems to me that those who are arguing for pardon are in fact accessories to an ongoing crime.â€
Which is illegal. Punishing people for unpopular speech isn’t the answer.
Comment by Tundra — July 2, 2007 @ 10:46 am
Please say you’re kidding.
If not, that’s a completely ridiculous statement, Tundra. Yes, they have free speech — blab away!!
But the speech involved in outing Ms Plame-Wilson was a crime. While whoever revealed her name is perfectly free to do so, according to you — they must also accept the consequence of prison.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:01 am#21 Wow. Revealing the identity of a covert agent is allowed free speech? The stupidity of this comment is simply mind-numbing.
Comment by VerbalKint — July 2, 2007 @ 10:53 am
No, Learn to read. The only thing mind numbing is you. I said. People are allowed to say “Pardon Libby” all they friggin want. Yes that is free speech. I specifically said I didn’t think he should get a pardon.
I also said that anyone saying “Pardon Libby” should not be charged with being an “Accessory to an ongoing crime”
Since you think that merely saying “Pardon Libby” is a crime, what else can we as americans not say for fear of being locked up by you and your police state buddies?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 amComment by Tundra — July 2, 2007 @ 11:02 am
Ok, I mis-read your comment as well. Sorry about that.
Proponents of a pardon certainly do have free speech, even it they are total scum bags.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:04 amComment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Zooey,
Joe Wilson said “it seems to me that those who are arguing for pardon are in fact accessories to an ongoing crime”
An Accessory to a crime is a punishable offense, no?
Joe Wison is saying if you say “Free Libby” you are a criminal and should be punished.
Hang Libby won’t break my heart any, He is a criminal and found guilty in a court of law. I am not and have never defended him. I am defending the masses who have the right to say “Free Libby” all they want. They can wear it on shirts, they can hang it on flags next to “Free Ollie” or “Free Willy”. Your hero (Joe Wilson) said anyone that argues for a pardon for libby is a criminal and should be punished.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 amJoe, better watch your back and check under the hood before you start the ol’ Wilsonmobile!!
Darth is under extreme pressure now and his pacemaker is acting up.
Remember what he did to a FRIEND with his shotgun, and you are NOT on his Christmas Card list!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 amMugsy,
It appears my first response was bounced because it included a quoted curse word. Here’s a cleaner version:
From 1988 to 1991, he was the Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq. He was praised by George H. W. Bush after sheltering more than one hundred Americans at the embassy, despite Saddam Hussein’s threats to execute anyone who refused to hand over foreigners. As a result, in 1990, he also became the last American diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein.[10] When Hussein sent a note to Wilson (along with other embassy heads in Iraq) threatening to execute anyone sheltering foreigners in Iraq, Wilson publicly repudiated the dictator by appearing at a press conference wearing a homemade noose around his neck and saying “If the choice is to allow American citizens to be taken hostage or to be executed, I will bring my own &^%#$ rope,”
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:10 am#36 Sorry, Tundra, my apologies. You are right (more or less) that calling for a pardon in and of itself is protected speech. My brain had been addled by so many other braindead stupid posts by trolls that I simply misread what you were saying.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 amOk, I mis-read your comment as well. Sorry about that.
I should have worked on wording some before I posted it hun :)
Been a rough morning already heh
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 amComment by VerbalKint — July 2, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Tis cool, I am simply surprised that I was right once (It doesn’t happen often) heh :)
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 am#33 Now you are flat out lying, Kilo. The CIA certified to the grand jury that she was covert when Libby and Rove leaked her name.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:14 amNo, it wasn’t. There was a rather large and long investigation into that. Determined otherwise.
Incorrect, Kilo.
Fitzgerald’s investigation confirmed both that Plame was covert (and the CIA had taken steps to protect her identity), and that numerout Bush adminstration officials, including Karl Rove and I. Lewis Libby, told reporters that Valerie Wilson worked for the CIA.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:14 am#64 Kilo is a bald faced liar. No amount of koolaid can defend this scum’s deliberate lies.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 amScooter did not intentionally release Valerie’s name. Give the man a break. The bible says to judge not!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 am#46 VK,
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 amWhat?! Trolls lying?! I can’t believe it! (sarcasm off)
Joe Wilson’s had some comments about that also.
Perhaps a timeline would be useful to “revise history” on that. And by “revise history” we of course mean remind everyone who Joe Wilson is that TP won’t….
January 28, 2003: State of the Union address.
February 6, 2003: Joe’s LAT op-ed where he warned against invading Iraq… because the WMDs will be used against the troops.
February 28, 2003: Joe tells PBS the same thing.
March 3, 2003: Joe writes an article for The Nation, with no mention of any concerns about lies about WMDs, the SOTU address, Niger, Uranium, nothin.
March 8, 2003: CNN interviews Joe about the IAEA disclosure of the Niger forgeries. Joe says that’s a shock, but that there’s still sufficient evidence of Saddam’s nuclear activities to make the case without it.
March 19, 2003: US invades Iraq without a peep from Joe about false pretenses, fake evidence, lies about WMD, or anything really.
March-May 2003: US does an outstanding job in Iraq of finding none of the WMDs Joe believed were there.
May 2003: Joe starts shopping his story around to reporters before he’s declared the last turkey in the shop to realise WMD claims were bogus.
June 2003: Joe continues shopping his story with another reporters.
June 2003: Armitage has a conversation with Woodward:
July 6, 2003: Another Wilson/Plame dinner with some more reporters. Remember, careful no reporters find out.
July 6, 2003: Wilson writes his famous op-ed. 5 months after the Niger-Uranium State of The Union address and 4 months after the invasion and discovery that there were no WMDs.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 amGood for Joe Wilson.
Don’t let the bastards intimidate you…
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 amCalling for a pardon from those INVOLVED is a CRIME. Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc. even suggest a pardon is in order is evidence of a crime as they are a party to his obstruction/crime.
The idiot supporters who were not involved can talk about a pardon and it isn’t a crime, just stupidity.
For the idiots who believe that anyone but those in the Bush camp were responsible for outting a NOC, you are just plain dumb and can’t handle the truth, obviously. Im so glad that Libby will rot in jail. I hope he starts to sing once he’s in his orange jumpsuit because they threw him under the bus. Abrahoff is still singing like a bird. They all need to be exposed and led out of the WH in cuffs and jailed for war crimes. Ship them all to the Hague and let them die for their crimes against humanity. What a sickening excuse for leaders the whole cabal is.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 amNever again should a Rethug be allowed in the WH. Impeachment proceedings should begin for those lying traitors Roberts ald Alito too. They both lied their way into their judgeships.
Correct. Except I refer to that. I responded to someone claiming this was the source of the leak. It wasn’t. You know this.
And other pissant here calling me a liar is going to need to do a fair bit of that himself to claim it was.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 amKilo,
You post is against the lies told by the Bush Regime, not against Joe Wilson as you intended.
Silly boy.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 amDaryll,
“The bible says to judge not!”
Then why do you come here and constantly do just that?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:36 amNo they didn’t. As you know from the fact that they were charged with no such thing and the investigation’s finding otherwise.
Rove you will recall confirmed Plame was CIA to Novak by saying “Yeah I heard that too”, to a reporter that had alread received this info, from Armitage.
Armitage. The leak that shall not be mentioned. While you talk to me about “revising history”. LMAO.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:36 amScooter did not intentionally release Valerie’s name.
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Put down the crack pipe, Daryll. Grand jury and court trial testimony have conclusively demonstrated that Scooter Libby made a sustained and determined attempt to leak Plame’s name and identity to the press while she was still a covert agent with the CIA. No amount of fantasy on your part, and no amount of LYING on Kilo’s part, is going to change the facts in this case.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:38 amKILO = SEIXON
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 amThere’s just the one truth. It doesn’t have sides. And unlike you, I don’t give people a free pass because I’m a partisan wingnut.
You could of simply written: “I don’t care about Plame’s identity because I’m biased” with the same result. Silly boy.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 amYour hero (Joe Wilson) said anyone that argues for a pardon for libby is a criminal and should be punished.
Comment by Tundra — July 2, 2007 @ 11:09 am
And he is perfectly within his right of free speech to do so, right?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 amYou can support that!
#54 Liar, I think you know that different people can leak the same information. Also, Liar, I think you know that Rove didn’t merely “confirm” the information. That was his initial lie to the grand jury, and he had to change his story to evade prosecution on the same charges that Libby was convicted of. One other thing, liar: it is possible for one person to commit an action without breaking the law (Armitage) and another person to commit the same action in violation of the law (think of insider trading in the stock market, for example). So STFU and crawl back under your slimy rock, liar.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 amis it DENIAL or STUPIDITY that prevents the troolls from
understanding that it was the LYING and the OBSTRUCTION
that prevented the investigation from bringing up the charges of
LEAKING a cia agen’ts name… huh?
kicking sand in the umpire’s eyes…
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 am…
Which bastards ? The anti-war protesters back in 2003 ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:44 amScooter did not intentionally release Valerie’s name. Give the man a break. The bible says to judge not!
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Then you’re in bug trouble with the baby Jesus, because all you ever do is judge other people.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 am#62 — Oops.
Daryll, you’re in [big] trouble as well.
Heh.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 amAnd he is perfectly within his right of free speech to do so, right?
You can support that!
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Yes he can, I just said he was wrong. I didn’t advocate that he go to jail for it :)
Which I, of course could have advocated he go to jail for it because of my free speech, then he could have said that I should go to jail because I said he should go to jail. Neither of us going to jail even though we have heavily advocated for each others incarceration.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:47 amScooter did not intentionally release Valerie’s name. Give the man a break. The bible says to judge not!
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Then you’re in bug trouble with the baby Jesus, because all you ever do is judge other people.
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 11:45 am
I do not judge, I witness. Admit it. Do you think that Scooter’s sentence is harsh?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:48 amKilo,
While I my agree with your timeline, and feel that old Joe there was for the WMD’s before he was against them. It doesn’t change what Libby was charged and found guilty of.
Joe could have been 100% behind the war and still to this day have said that there were weapons. Doesn’t change the fact that Libby was found guilty of “releasing his wife’s identity”
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 amGiven Valerie Plame’s domestic spying activities
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 amin 1996, she’s no better than Lewis Libby.
I personally know about that because I worked
with her at the time.
Perhaps Valerie Plame should be going to
jail also.
I think both sides should just cool it.
The bible says to judge not!
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Where?
Chapter, verse and version, please.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:52 amI do not judge, I witness. Admit it. Do you think that Scooter’s sentence is harsh?
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:48 am>/em>
“She belongs to her ex-husband.†- St Darryl on DRxJ’s wife
I judge, and I judge that you are a liar, St Darryl.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:52 amIt’s an unquestionable truth among Republicans that Joe Wilson is a liar. This charge has been repeated dozens of times by the right wing shock jocks. Last week Michael Medved said that what Wilson did was “far worse than anything Scooter Libby did”.
Here’s a challenge to all of you idiot Republicans who have bought into this lie that Wilson lied: FIND THE EXACT QUOTE THAT YOU THINK CONSTITUTES A LIE.
I can guarantee you that you will not find that quote.
When you can’t find it, please have the decency to admit that Wilson didn’t lie, and have the courage to call your favorite right wing shock jock and ask them to correct this outrageous lie.
Phylo out.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 amWell you would assume this isn’t the reason, given that Fitzgerald knew Armitage’s role for the duration of the investigation.
Is it DENIAL or STUPIDITY that has prevented you reading any account of this investigation about who did and didn’t withold information after 3 and a half years ?
But Armitage, who said he testified about his actions to a grand jury three times, was not charged for making the disclosure, a circumstance he attributes to his candor in speaking with investigators about his action. He turned over his computers and never even hired an attorney, Armitage said, because “I did not need an attorney to tell me to tell the truth.”
The confirmation of Armitage’s role has provoked criticism of both him and the special counsel, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who learned of it shortly after his appointment in 2003.
No criticism here though. It was Fitzmas! all the way. And look how that turned out.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:56 amDo you think that Scooter’s sentence is harsh?
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Heya Daryll,
I don’t think it was harsh. I am for firm punishments for crimes. We live in a society where breaking the law is a joke. Complaints of prison overcrowding etc. Either we need to build more jails or get rid of some of the laws, weak hand slap sentences aren’t the answer.
Some people will say what about the person who did this, they only got…..
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 amWell theirs was to light, I don’t think weakening a punishment because someone else got a lighter one is right.
I do not judge, I witness. Admit it. Do you think that Scooter’s sentence is harsh?
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:48 am>/em>
“She belongs to her ex-husband.†- St Darryl on DRxJ’s wife
I judge, and I judge that you are a liar, St Darryl.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 2, 2007 @ 11:52 am
TerrytheTurtle, I love you, and Jesus loves you, too. Haven’t you ever fabricated information on your resume? Shouldn’t you be fired? We must stop wasting tax dollars on cases like Scooter’s case and go after the real thugs.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 amGo Joe! And, as accessories to a crime, we all know what happens to them: they are indicted as “co-conspirators” in the clear “obstruction of justice”. Let’s get on with the indictments as surely the Libby jailing is but the tip of a very necrotic iceberg within this government….aka Cheney’s ’shadow government’.
IMPEACH CHENEY….THEN BUSH!
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:00 pmI do not judge, I witness. Admit it. Do you think that Scooter’s sentence is harsh?
Comment by Daryll
You post judging people all the time, Liar & Hypocrite.
And Scooter’s sentence is way too light for someone who commited treason, obstructed justice and lied to investigators to cover it up.
Are you really that fscking stupid, Daryll?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pm#73 Darryl: on this case, I would tend to agree with you that the indictment and imprisonment of Scooter deals simply with Scotter’s having perjured himself. The larger issue of the intentional outing of a covert operative (treason) is still looming out there. Naturally, Scooter was attempting to sheild Cheney and Bush in his perjury - which now makes the bigger case for the real criminals in this to have definitely been Bush and Cheney. Where is the Special Prosecutor who will now deal with the treasonous outing of an operative? We still have yet to deal with the treason which was committed, despite the fact that a liar is going to jail for lying under oath.
We have two separate (but connected) issues here. One has been dealt with - the other suspiciously has not been…I wonder why???
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:03 pmNeither of us going to jail even though we have heavily advocated for each others incarceration.
Comment by Tundra — July 2, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Heh.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:03 pm#75 Just like the majority of the american people who realize that Scooter did, in fact, commit treason as well as perjury, it’s only the perjury charge which has resulted in his prison time.
That’s what I’m trying to make clear here…..the actual treason has yet to be dealt with. That’s the typical Bush Cabal “smokescreen” so that people actually believe that Scooter’s going to prison for treason - he’s not! It’s simply the punishment for lying under oath.
It’s true that the real issue at hand is the original investigation for which Scooter was subpoenaed and lied to cover Cheney’s sorry derriere.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:05 pmDid St. Daryll have the same idea when millions were spent finding out about Monica and Bill? Selective morality does this country a disservice.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:06 pmOnce again, if the Bush Administration had said nothing about Wilson’s NYT editorial none of us would know a thing about Wilson or Plame. The fact that they are still in the headlines speaks to the utter lack of principles or moral compass with the Bushies.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:07 pmI do not judge, I witness. Admit it. Do you think that Scooter’s sentence is harsh?
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:48 am
You do judge, Daryll. You judge every time you condemn someone for behavior you find to be against god.
Call it “witnessing,” if you like, your god knows the difference, and will judge you accordingly.
Scooter Libby’s sentence was very light, he should have gotten at least twice as much prison time as he did.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:07 pmDid St. Daryll have the same idea when millions were spent finding out about Monica and Bill? Selective morality does this country a disservice.
Comment by hellinabucket — July 2, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
hellinabucket, I could care less about Clinton’s lies during that specific case. Here is the point, he committed a sexual act with an intern. In most corporations/firms the CEO/Executive would be fired. Clinton should have been removed.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmThis is just like the ridiculous and intentional connection in people’s minds created by the administration between 911 and Iraq, folks! We should realize what they’re doing to us at this point….they’re hoping that the people’s need for justice in the Plame case will have been satisfied by the imprisonment of Libby - wrongo!! Imprisoning Scooter does nothing to assuage the treason which has been committed against Valerie Plame. That intentional and flagrant criminal act is yet to be dealt with.
I think Joe Wilson needs to continue to hammer home the fact that the treasonous outing of his wife is still unsresolved….and Scooter’s perjuring himself (on cheney orders??) simply makes the case go further up the food chain at this point.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmScooter Libby COMITTED PERJURY and OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE to protect
the TRAITORS who outed Valerie Plame and her entire UNDERCOVER OPERATION.
These CONSPIRATORS are supporting Scooters pardon and should be TRIED as well.
The TRAITORS remain unpunished.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmWe must stop wasting tax dollars on cases like Scooter’s case and go after the real thugs.
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 11:57 am
oh… (against my better judgement)… i just gotta know…
who would daryll think the “real thugs” are?…
you think you’re quite the scheister, don’t you “daryll”?
ugh… i’ve got things to do… sorry if i stirred it up…
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:11 pmif not me, and hardly ever, i might add, someone else…
…
Scooter Libby’s sentence was very light, he should have gotten at least twice as much prison time as he did.
Comment by Zooey
The judge should have ruled for consecutive sentences instead of concurrent for the gravity of the crimes he commited.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:12 pmHe got the max for each conviction, but serving all at the same time, the judge was lax on him, IMHO
Proponents of a pardon certainly do have free speech, even it they are total scum bags.
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Exactly Zooey, who does this Stalinist think he is?!?!?!?!
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:14 pmClinton should have been removed.
Comment by Daryll
Show me in the constitution where it says a President can be removed for having sex………..
And here you are passing judgement again, contrary to your claims.
The irony is hilarious
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:15 pmZooey: And I would have to agree with you that Scooter’s sentence is very light in view of the fact that his perjury was actually an very bold attempt at “obstruction of justice”….it all dovetails into one huge rotting mess! He lies (perjury) in his obstruction of justice (criminal) in order to cover up his boss’s (cheney and bush) dastardly criminal and treasonous outing of a covert operative…..it seems to me that there are several layers to this rotting onion: 1) Scoot’s perjury 2) Scoot’s obstruction of Justice (which is why people believe that his sentence is far too light) 3) Why he felt a need to perjure himself and obstruct justice is at the crux of this treasonous affair: Cheney and Bush telling him to do so….
Let’s get to the heart of the matter and put Bush and Cheny’s feet to the fire. Any wonder why they’re stonewalling about turning over documents to Congress? If they were to do so, we’d find their slimey fingerprints on everything from torture approval (Abu Ghraib), to voting machine tampering, to treasonously outing an operative whose husband was shooting holes in their lies about the run up to the war, to the political firing of DOJ officials, to lying repeatedly to the american people (video tape evidence to prove that), to illegally spying on the citizens in contratempts to the american constitution, to now running a shadow government (coup d-etat?)…
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:15 pmYou can guarantee that can you ?
And how would Sir like to qualify that guarantee after the fact to claim he meant something else ?
For starters, just based on what I just read for that timeline, he’s told many reporters that the Niger forgeries were part of his warning to the CIA when debriefed on return from Niger… a good 7 months before said forgeries were first provided to the US.
Should people go copy/pasting from articles like that or would you like to change your mind beforehand ?
I note that there’s no suggestion anyone here is going to be changing their mind about wilson’s credibility here based on him supporting the war until no WMDs were found, leaking his wife’s ID to reporters himself, lying, etc.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:15 pmAnd no point challenging you to do so either I would guess.
Wayne: Agreed. Apparently, this judge was punishing him simply for his perjury and failed to recognize that there was a second layer which could have been and should have been applied resulting in consecutives counts and consecutive sentences. He didn’t include the obvious reason for the perjury: Obstruction of Justice. And, we all know that although perjury is a disgusting tactic, obstruction of justice generally puts people away for most of their lives.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmWilson, oh, poor little victim. The Democratic partisan hack who was caught lying about his trip to Nigeria by a bypartisan Senate intelligence committee hearing and British intelligence.
poor little Wilson, who’s wife supported and gave thousands to the Al Gore campaign. Oh, so hurt he is. Poor little baby. I think he needs a hug and a kiss liberals. What do you say?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 pmI want the exact quote Kilo. If you can’t provide that quote, admit that you can’t.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 pmYou too conservatron: Please provide us with the exact quote that you think constitutes a lie by Joe Wilson.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmKilo: You have absolutely NO argument at all so give it up. This has nothing to do with what Joe Wilson did or didn’t do, said or didn’t say…..Joe Wilson was throwing a monkeywrench into the lying cabal’s fiction, that’s why they decided to go after him. And, like typical mafioso thugs whom they’ve all turned out to be (watch out Sopranos - the Bush Cabal will be the next Fox hit next Fall!)….the mantra is that “if you can’t go after the man, go after his wife or kids”. Which is precisely what these two bit thugs did.
So let’s level the playing field here a bit: Joe Wilson has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this debate.
What is relevent is how the Bush Cabal reacted which is the criminal portion of it all.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmWilson has grown a beard now, so Cheney will hate him even more now.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmFor starters, just based on what I just read for that timeline, he’s told many reporters that the Niger forgeries were part of his warning to the CIA when debriefed on return from Niger… a good 7 months before said forgeries were first provided to the US.
Comment by Kilo — July 2, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Umm, idiot, the existence of the forgeries predated Wilson’s visit to Niger. Among other things, he went there to examine the forgeries. When they were first provided to the U.S. is irrelevant.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmClinton should have been removed.
Comment by Daryll
Show me in the constitution where it says a President can be removed for having sex………..
And here you are passing judgement again, contrary to your claims.
The irony is hilarious
Comment by Wayne — July 2, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Wayne, It may not be in the Constitution, but don’t you think that Clinton was out of bounds for committing this act?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:22 pmHow many times do you idiot trolls need to hear that this has nothing to do with Joe Wilson????? Duh! What a bunch of twisted, brainwashed, lockstep morons! If you want to come here to discuss something relevant, why not begin with discussing the criminal outing of a CIA operative which is the subject of this thread; otherwise, hit the road, fools.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:22 pm#92 And another dumbf*ck shows up. This one doesn’t know the difference between Niger and Nigeria. Probably can’t find the U.S. on a map, either.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmLet’s freeze out these morons who are attempting to hijack the conversation to Joe Wilson…..obviously, they have nothing credible to say about the criminal activities which occurred against a covert CIA operative so they’d might just as well hang it up. Freeze the trolls out….and we know who they are.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmTerrytheTurtle, I love you, and Jesus loves you, too. Haven’t you ever fabricated information on your resume? Shouldn’t you be fired?
If you knew me, you wouldn’t. Jesus, I heard he was dead, just like Snake Plissken. Er no, have you? Are you really a Computer Science grad from Oral Roberts? You know “I saw a 300ft tall Jesus, so send me money” seems a poor basis for offering a science program, if you ask me. And finally - yes I probably should be, since I waste time at work talking to you.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:24 pmVerbalkint: hahahaha! I love it! And you are so right about these moron trolls on the thread today. They are totally clueless and spout out nonsense and drivel. How cute (and predictably trite) of them to make their hijacking attempt so transparent though? These trolls are definitely far below some intellectually.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmAnd, we all know that although perjury is a disgusting tactic, obstruction of justice generally puts people away for most of their lives.
Comment by veritas
If it was a normal citizen, such as you or I, yes, obstruction as well as perjury would put us in jail for a long time.
In this case Liby was the assistant to the Vice (p)Resident, so, just like with the Iran-contra mess, people get off with a bare slap on the wrist. People in power and the rich usually always get off easy while regular joes get the book thrown at them.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmYou too conservatron: Please provide us with the exact quote that you think constitutes a lie by Joe Wilson.
Comment by Phylo Se Fiser — July 2, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
You want a quote? why don’t you read his full report that he leaked to the New York Times, buddy.
It is full of lies and half-truths!
As someone already pointed out, he claimed to have debunked forged documents that didn’t exist until 7 months after he claimed he debunked them.
why don’t you start there.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmAnd, we all know that although perjury is a disgusting tactic, obstruction of justice generally puts people away for most of their lives.
Comment by veritas
hmmm….It didn’t put away Clinton, so why are you so much for Libby being put away for life?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:26 pm#
Kilo,
While I my agree with your timeline, and feel that old Joe there was for the WMD’s before he was against them. It doesn’t change what Libby was charged and found guilty of.
Joe could have been 100% behind the war and still to this day have said that there were weapons. Doesn’t change the fact that Libby was found guilty of “releasing his wife’s identityâ€
Comment by Tundra — July 2, 2007 @ 11:50 am
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:27 pmVeritas. Sorry, I’m trying to get these right wing morons to understand that, despite their unquestioning belief, Wilson did not lie. I’m trying to get them to provide us with the exact quote that they think constitutes a lie by Wilson.
It might seem tedious but I think their failure to find such a quote will be a valuable lesson for our friends on the right about the lies they are told by the right wing shock jocks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 pmThe judge should have ruled for consecutive sentences instead of concurrent for the gravity of the crimes he commited.
He got the max for each conviction, but serving all at the same time, the judge was lax on him, IMHO
Comment by Wayne — July 2, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
I understand your frustration Wayne, but someone like Scooter, with no prior record (and rich & white) is not going to get consecutive sentences. But the Judge could have given him more time for each offense to make up for the shortfall.
I predict TP will be having a thread when Scooter gets out of prison after having completed half of his sentence — time off for good behavior.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 pmWayne, It may not be in the Constitution, but don’t you think that Clinton was out of bounds for committing this act?
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Sorry to jump in Wayne, but I gotta~
Yes Daryll, Clinton was WAY out of bounds for his activities — IT WAS A PERSONAL ISSUE BETWEEN BILL & HILLARY. NO ONE ELSE.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:32 pmWayne, It may not be in the Constitution, but don’t you think that Clinton was out of bounds for committing this act?
Comment by Daryll
Sure I do, but having an affair is not criminal
Cheating on a spouse is pretty crappy
But extra-marital affairs are not criminal, that is between Clinton, his wife and the other woman and was not really the business of anyone else.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:33 pmNo it doesn’t. But given the fact I’ve never disputed what he was convicted of I’m not sure why you’re saying this to me instead of someone in this thread that has already shown they don’t know what this was.
….and you’d still give him a pass on that.
Still hail his name as the one man standing up to the Bush Administration’s lies about WMDs.
Like you’ve been doing for 4 years.
That’s not a fact. He wasn’t found guilty of that. FFS already.
Why not say Bush was convicted of the leak ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:34 pmIf you are going to claim someone was convicted of something they weren’t why opt for boy named scooter nobody cares about ?
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Welllllllll.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 pmAs a shareholder in this corporation (The U.S). I feel I have a say when my CEO has sexual relations with another person in the company who’s career they have control over.
Daryll,
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 pmWe told you nice, but now we’re going to have to squeeze your head!
I still haven’t seen a quote yet, conservatron or Kilo.
I have read Joe Wilson’s op-ed and his response to the SIC report. There are no lies or half truths in either of them. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about.
Let’s go. I want the quote!
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 pmAs someone already pointed out, he claimed to have debunked forged documents that didn’t exist until 7 months after he claimed he debunked them.
Comment by Conservatron — July 2, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
So now we have one liar repeating a lie posted here by another liar, while carefully avoiding all requests for proof.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:37 pmWilson went to Niger in March 2002.
The forgeries first surfaced in October 2002.
Have you got anything right in this thread yet retard ?
LMAO. You wrote that on purpose too. LOL
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:38 pmI still haven’t seen a quote yet, conservatron or Kilo.
I have read Joe Wilson’s op-ed and his response to the SIC report. There are no lies or half truths in either of them. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about.
Let’s go. I want the quote!
Comment by Phylo Se Fiser — July 2, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Hmmmm….already provided son. Now you need to get your head out of your ass son, because like all Liberals, you look like a wacked out left wing moonbat.
the fact is that no matter how many quotes, how many facts are showing to left wing puppets like you, you will always back up Liar Joe Wilson and his wife. Both well placed in the Democratic political machine.
your game is silly and if this is the best you got, you better go play in the sandbox next door kid. Hillary, Wilson and Obama are there waiting for you. Don’t forget to bring your sandbox toys, ok?
I laugh at left wing puppets like you kid. No matter the evidence, you keep on raming your head against the wall.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:41 pmNotice how the trolls have turned this into a Clinton thing?
That’s their job, & they do it well.
That doesn’t mean we should respond to them.
Remember when your Mom told you not to talk to certain people?
She was referring to Trolls.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:43 pm….and you’d still give him a pass on that.
When did I say that?
Still hail his name as the one man standing up to the Bush Administration’s lies about WMDs.
Like you’ve been doing for 4 years.
Feel free to link any post anywhere where I have shown the slightest bit of concern for that chowderhead. I have simply said that this jackass has nothing to do with what “Scooter” was convicted of.
That’s not a fact. He wasn’t found guilty of that.
Noted, he was found guilty of perjury. Which still has 0 to do with Plame/Wilson or anyone else. Scooter LIED and got his hand slapped. Regardless if Wilson did or did not. Regardless if Plame went over there and mugged school children for milk money, Scooter was convicted of his crime.
You are the one defending Scooter. I am not defending Old Joe or his wife at all. You are dragging them into his crime and trying to put them on trial because Scooter lied.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:43 pmComment by Conservatron — July 2, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
No you did not provide a quote. You repeated the lies of another troll. That would not be considered proof anywhere but in neocon lanf!
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmConservatron, you’re lying now. No one has provided the quote yet. Tell me where I can find it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by Tundra — July 2, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Good post. You’re a pretty level headed dude for a conservative.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmConservatron, you’re lying now. No one has provided the quote yet. Tell me where I can find it.
Comment by Phylo Se Fiser — July 2, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Oh wow….incredible….read what I posted son. The quotes are there, the evidence is there. You are one poor partisan hack Phylo. Don’t get desperate now that you have been shown to be a liar and a Democratic party puppet. Party before country, right Phylo? sad, truly sad.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmConservatron, how about making it easy, tell me what number comment it is that I can find this supposed quote. Or at least the time it was posted.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pmConservatron, you’re lying now. No one has provided the quote yet. Tell me where I can find it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:50 pmComment by Phylo Se Fiser — July 2, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Conservatron, I too want you to put up or shut up. And I also want to see proof from Kilo that the forgeries didn’t exist when Wilson made his trip. So far Kilo, who has proven himself to be a determined liar, has falsely equated the existence of the forgeries with their possession by the U.S. That specious claim seems to constitute his sole proof, but it is proof of nothing.
I have to admit, Conservatron, it really takes chutzpah to lie about what is written right here in this thread. It is downright pathological.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:51 pmDaryll at 11:24: “Scooter did not intentionally release Valerie’s name. Give the man a break. The bible says to judge not!”
Daryll one hour later: “Wayne, It may not be in the Constitution, but don’t you think that Clinton was out of bounds for committing this act?”
See why it’s useless to argue with crazy people?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:52 pmWayne, It may not be in the Constitution, but don’t you think that Clinton was out of bounds for committing this act?
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Sorry to jump in Wayne, but I gotta~
Yes Daryll, Clinton was WAY out of bounds for his activities — IT WAS A PERSONAL ISSUE BETWEEN BILL & HILLARY. NO ONE ELSE.
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
1) It would have been personal if he wouldn’t have been President.
2)It would have been personal if he didn’t get blow jobs while getting paid a salary that comes from taxpayers!
3) If it is personal, why is that the left loves, and adores to claim that Bush’s personal life BEFORE he was President is relevant today? care to explain the hypocrisy?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:52 pm#129 I find it interesting that Conservatron has time to write this post while carefully avoiding all requests that he back up his repeated lies on this thread. But this behavior is typical of the intellectual chickensh*ts that back Bush. Tell a lie, and when challenged, just move on to the next lie.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:56 pmI have to admit, Conservatron, it really takes chutzpah to lie about what is written right here in this thread. It is downright pathological.
Comment by VerbalKint — July 2, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
so, read 110 and 128, it is all there buddy. Nice to see that you can’t read and comprehend. You too phylo, learn how to read and comprehend. Tells you exactly where Wilson lied, quotes and everything.
Thanks for reaffirming the facts that Liberals love their lies, but hate the facts that prove them wrong.
Poor you, puppets of the Democratic party.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:56 pmIt’s really sad to see how bad the politics of hate from the Republicans has gotten. I never understood the concept of putting a political party above ones country, but this seems to be the current state of the Republican party.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:58 pm#129 I find it interesting that Conservatron has time to write this post while carefully avoiding all requests that he back up his repeated lies on this thread. But this behavior is typical of the intellectual chickensh*ts that back Bush. Tell a lie, and when challenged, just move on to the next lie.
Comment by VerbalKint — July 2, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Oh, projecting much son? The only chickenshit here is you son, who refuses to address the facts, 128 and 110. REad them and don’t cry hard when your world falls apart, ok?
Both joe wilson and valarie plame lied. Everyone with an IQ over 80 knows this. I am sorry that you are such a puppet that you have been blinded. Please, son, for you own good. Slowly, very slowly put down the Democratic party Kool-Aid and back away slowly.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 pmJoe Wilson was a SPY BOSS.
There is NO WAY he would have exposed his wife, a COVERT AGENT, shown so by the TRIAL.
Armitage, Libby and Rove were ALL shown in the trial as having discussed Plame at the request of Dck Cheney…
Wilson is a SPY BOSS, and the Bush CRIMINALS screwed their OWN SPY, sabotaging National Security.
Go, Joe and Valerie!! You are PATRIOTS.
Bush and his CRIMALS are TRAITORS who deserve to be in PRISON…
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 pmI love eating choad!!
MMmmmm Choad loads are yummy!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 pmConservation, maybe I missed it. 110 and 128 don’t prove that Wilson lied. I want the facts but I haven’t found where Wilson has lied. A court found that Libby did but I can’t find where Wilson did.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:00 pmIf only Valerie was a REAL secret agent hehehe what a Fraud
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:00 pmAll that’s left for administration apologists like Kilo is evidently to obfuscate the entire issue with questions about Wilson’s character and timelines regarding forged documents.
Let’s just cut through the obfuscation. The bottom line is that a CIA asset was ruined by this administration, probably on orders from Dick Cheney, for political purposes. What purposes? Obviouly to discredit an expert who was shining a light on their lies used to fool us into a shooting war. Laws were broken, not the least of which was the Intelligence Identities Act.
FITZGERALD (5/25/07): “[I]t was clear from very early in the investigation that Ms. Wilson qualified under the relevant statute (Title 50, United States Code, Section 421) as a covert agent whose identity had been disclosed by public officials, including Mr. Libby, to the press.”
According to the British press, associates of Brewster Jennings may have been murdered in various cities around the world. People in this administration are guilty of treason and should be behind bars. Kilo, take your obfuscation over to someplace like NRO or Free Republic. The morons at these sites will be much more receptive.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:00 pmI looked at comments 110 and 128 and found nothing like a quote or evidence that Wilson lied. Honestly, what are you talking about?
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:01 pmI looked at comments 110 and 128 and found nothing like a quote or evidence that Wilson lied. Honestly, what are you talking about?
Comment by Phylo Se Fiser — July 2, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
ok phylo….reading-comprehension not your strength, eh? stop with your silly games, ok?
as I said, you need to go play in the sanbox with the other kids. They are waiting for you. evidence provided and as a typical Liberal, when evidence is provided that proves you wrong, you Liberals always ignore it.
thanks for playing, but you lose son.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:03 pmGeorge W. ISLAMOTerrorist, the Saudi OIL WHOREBAG
To be fair now liberal Children , you must say the same about Jimmy ” Billy Bear and Peanuts ” Carter and Bill ” The Blowjob ” Clinton . But thin Who said that there was anything Fair about Liberals
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:03 pmFDR: “If only Valerie was a REAL secret agent hehehe what a Fraud”
Again, I quote the republican federal prosecutor:
FITZGERALD (5/25/07): “[I]t was clear from very early in the investigation that Ms. Wilson qualified under the relevant statute (Title 50, United States Code, Section 421) as a covert agent whose identity had been disclosed by public officials, including Mr. Libby, to the press.â€
What is it about that statement that people don’t get?
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:03 pmWayne, It may not be in the Constitution, but don’t you think that Clinton was out of bounds for committing this act?
Comment by Daryll
Sure I do, but having an affair is not criminal
Cheating on a spouse is pretty crappy
But extra-marital affairs are not criminal, that is between Clinton, his wife and the other woman and was not really the business of anyone else.
Comment by Wayne — July 2, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
What about fraternization
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment #140 perfectly illustrates the pathological dishonesty of Conservatron.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:05 pmThis is comment 128 on my screen:
Daryll at 11:24: “Scooter did not intentionally release Valerie’s name. Give the man a break. The bible says to judge not!â€
Daryll one hour later: “Wayne, It may not be in the Constitution, but don’t you think that Clinton was out of bounds for committing this act?â€
See why it’s useless to argue with crazy people?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 2, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
This is comment 110 on my screen:
Wayne, It may not be in the Constitution, but don’t you think that Clinton was out of bounds for committing this act?
Comment by Daryll — July 2, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Sorry to jump in Wayne, but I gotta~
Yes Daryll, Clinton was WAY out of bounds for his activities — IT WAS A PERSONAL ISSUE BETWEEN BILL & HILLARY. NO ONE ELSE.
Comment by Zooey — July 2, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Are you sure these are the comments you’re referring to?
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:06 pmDidn’t the CIA launch a seperate investigation when Plames cover was blown? I believe they did. Was that just to throw people off the track or did the CIA actually believe that a crime had been committed.
Care to comment Conservatron, or is your mouth too full of choad.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:06 pmVerbalKint sure Libby Lied , that is Funnt , also it is funny that you guys never said a Peep when Bill The Blowjob Clinton Lied to a GRAND JURY , what did Bill Get ? I’ll Tell you Nothing . the laws of this land only apply to Conservatives . That is wrong and so are you People .
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:06 pmWelllllllll.
As a shareholder in this corporation (The U.S). I feel I have a say when my CEO has sexual relations with another person in the company who’s career they have control over.
Comment by Tundra — July 2, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Doesn’t that go against your libertarian standards?
Monica was no victim.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:07 pm#142 The BEST you have to respond to the TREASON of the Bush administration is “Carter and Clinton”???
Carter and Clinton are NO LONGER PRESIDENT.
TRAITOR Bush the Saudi OIL WHOREBAG ISLAMOTerrorist IS.
And HIS administration has LIED us into an ILLEGAL WAR, exposed CIA COVERT SPIES for REVENGE.
And Osama is STILL FREE 6 years SINCE Bush became “president”.
Sorr