Dick Cheney’s shooting was NO ACCIDENT.

The guy is on medication that clearly says on it – DO NOT USE WHILE OPERATING MACHINERY.

A gun is MACHINERY.

Cheney clearly was “out of it” and wheeled around and shot, as he was startled. He should not have had a gun in the FIRST instance.

But he, the lying lily livered, liar that he is, had all that covered up LONG before any of us knew what transpired. He is also noted for discrepancies in his story about WHEN he went to the bunker during 9/11.

We are dealing with wholesale crook$ and liar$ here, who fake in milllion$ off the war machine. Bu$h’s money is in a blind tru$t since pre-presidential days, not so Cheney, who is still making money off his Halliburton $tock, despite the fact that many expose$ about their shoddy work in Iraq has come out.

He has not one, but two, walk-in Mosler $afe$, that he claim$ hold completely classified record$, and are exempt from being examined by CONgre$$ under BOTH legislative AND executive privilege.

I have seen copies of his notes on the NYT’s article written by Joseph Wilson. Pictures of it have circulated on the internet.

What we do not know, is exactly and I mean exactly what transpires in the White House dining room between Cheney and puppet boy. But I’ll bet someday we will know.

As for the pardon — NO ONE GAINS BY THIS “Pardon”, which is a commutation and not covered by the Constitution, and it has pissed off everyone. The military contractors, Big Biz gain nothing. The INTEL community is outraged. Only the cabal gets anything out of this which is a certain knowledge that if you stick with us, we’ll keep you out of jail and pay yer fines. POOR YOU! WE must continue to cover each other’s backs! Truly, truly sickening. And shame on CONgress. They seem to be awaiting the poll result$, rather than doing the right thing.

And all this is only one-quarter or so of my rant.

This man has run America into the ground. And you think his biggest problem might be hypocracy …? Wait. WATCH. All this stuff will eventually come out into the light. Truth has a “funny” way of doing that.

Comment by Kilo — July 2, 2007 @ 8:57 pm

Kilo, you know it’s true, don’t you, Seixon.

The same can be said about George Bush and his many documented visits from gay hooker Jeff Gannon/James Guckert. You know nearly six years have passed since 9/11, and Bin Laden still hasn’t been caught, has he? Moreover, your hero Dumbya was too busy vacationing in August 2001 to pay any attention to reports like “Bin Laden determined to attack in the US” and warnings from some FBI agents about the uncanny number of Arabs enrolling in US flight schools, only wanting to learn to fly–not to take off and especially not to land. Since you have also posted as “Bill Clinton,” you ought to look past his tenure in office. But then neo-CON trolls like you always blame the Dems.

St. Daryll,
I hate to blow your little bubble, but what do you think gay hooker Jeff Gannon/James Guckert was doing during his various visits, including overnights, at the WH even when there was no press conference scheduled?

I swear Republicans have a genetic defect when it comes to facts and the truth. Unbelievable!
Comment by Phylo Se Fiser — July 2, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

And what medical grounds would you be claiming for not posting what I asked you to ?

You guaranteed Joe Wilson had never lied.
I told you that he obviously had and gave you the opportunity to revise that claim. I gave you the quotes which show Joe Wilson was lying that you asked for.

Now lie and tell me that he wasn’t.

Tell me nobody in the Bush administration caught lying, repeatedly, in regard to something as important as WMD intel is a liar because Joe Wilson isn’t.

You’d need to be one cowardly piece of shit to challenge people and demand something in caps then disappear when asked for a simple statement in return.

KILO = SEIXON
Comment by troll alert — July 2, 2007 @ 11:40 am

Are you Kilo? I prefer an answer from him. If not, thanks for the info anyway, but that does not answer what I asked.

I posted that to the original thread but it didn’t appear.

He still has an ideology where ever he lives. Frankly, either he doesn’t know what his ideology is, or he hasn’t the courage to be open about who he is.
Comment by Merlin — July 2, 2007 @ 3:05 pm

Actually no I don’t have one. In terms of politics I can’t think of lamer than looking to some dead guy to define what you think about issues today.
If you wanted an indication, politicalcompass says I’m an economic centrist -1 and a social leftist -2.

I don’t belong to any political party, nor have I voted at the last 2 elections. I won’t be voting at this one either because I really can’t be bothered. I supported the government for their economic policy and that’s pretty much all in place now so it makes little difference to me.

You know how the Democrat party compares to Republicans in terms of economic policy and management of public deficits ?
Well it’s the other way around in Australia. And “our Bush” paying off “our Clinton’s” record defecits back into surplus is a big reason our economic growth has led much of the world for the past decade. Which is why interest rates and employment have all improved.

I’ll say it. Your conclusion is not based upon your evidence.

I posted no conclusion.
What I asked was for someone to state was their own conclusion: That Joe Wilson lie.

To state that he didn’t lie about his assessment of forged documents when repeatedly telling reporters that he made assessments about who signed them and that he warned about these forgeries, right up until he published his op-ed when he stated he never saw the document and referred only to what the press had claimed about their content.

You don’t provide any evidence to show when the forgeries were produced, nor where they were before October 2002.

Nor do I need to. Joe Wilson, in his own words tells you that he never saw them. This is the only location that needs to be determined when it comes to his claims of having made an assessment of them as forgeries based on their content and signatures.

And yet you conclude that Wilson never saw them.
Your conclusion is not supported by facts in evidence.

The facts in evidence supporting Joe Wilson never seeing these documents before publishing his op-ed is Joe Wilson stating that is the case.

LOL. And you pretend to be studying for the bar exam as a lawyer.

Indeed, the evidence you supplied gives credence to the theory that Mr. Wilson saw the forgeries long before the Italian reporter bought them.

So he lied when he stated that wasn’t the case then. I’ll take your word for it.

I’d say “nice try,” but you weren’t even close.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 2, 2007 @ 3:10 pm

I hope not. I don’t not what you’re “close to” but I fear there may be dangerous fumes involved. A gas leak would be my guess.

Seriously, could you and I now have a conversation about Wayne Gretzky where you state my claims about him playing hockey are unsupported by the evidence ?

Because, you know, what fkn evidence do you think exists about Joe Wilson doing anything, ever, where his NYT op-ed isn’t at the top of the list ?
You know, the only reason anyone knows his name. Made the news a while back, kind of a big deal about yellowcake uranium. Check it out sometime.

Kilo, How is this a lie?

It’s not a lie. It’s Joe Wilson confirming he was the source in a bunch of stories where the source was lying.

You have consistantly proved yourself to be confused on the information surrounding the Wilson/Plame affair and I wish you could become informed, since you seem to be sincere in your desire to know the facts.
Armitage is not important to the bigger story.

Comment by d card — July 2, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

Yeah. Because who leaked her ID isn’t important to the bigger story…. of who leaked her ID.
Got nothing to do with the fact that reporters knew her name because Joe Wilson was using her identity as window dressing for his Niger story to the point where people were stating “he’s telling everybody”.
Nah. There’ll be another reason no doubt.

Kilo, you’re a moron.
The IAEA revealed that the documents were obvious forgeries on March 7th of 2003. All of the stuff you have above is Wilson talking about the forgeries AFTER that date. It was public knowledge at that point!

Er…. yeah. Because that’s when he first started talking about them. After they were already public knowledge.

Did you fail to notice that the first time he was asked about them in response to the IAEA he had nothing to say other than this shouldn’t diminish the evidence of Saddam’s WMD program used in justifying the war ?

Just like he had nothing to say about dodgy WMD evidence used to justify the war until it was public knowledge that the US had found none in Iraq, after the invasion.

And in both cases he made came to these conclusions after a good portion of the non-CIA-affiliated world had, well after the fact.

Try paying attention.

I swear Republicans have a genetic defect when it comes to facts and the truth. Unbelievable!
Comment by Phylo Se Fiser — July 2, 2007 @ 1:31 pm

Yeah. And you cunts are great with them. Hence me having to explain shit I already posted again and again and again.

http://www.politicsoftruth.com/editorials/big_cat.html

There is now no incentive for Hussein to comply with the inspectors or to refrain from using weapons of mass destruction to defend himself if the United States comes after him.

And he will use them; we should be under no illusion about that.

Hussein and Aziz both told me directly that Iraq reserved the right to use every weapon in its arsenal if invaded, just as it had against Iran and later the Kurds.

The fact that thousands of men, women and children had died in these attacks fazed them not one bit. In fact, Aziz could barely be bothered to stop puffing on his Cuban cigar as he made these comments, of so little importance was the use of chemicals to kill people.

It is probably too late to change Hussein’s assessment, and that will make any ensuing battle for Iraq that much more dangerous for our troops and for the Iraqis who find themselves in the battlefield.
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In the week after Bush said his 16 words in the SOTU Joe Wilson is here officially on record that he believes Hussein has WMD and will use them. Wilson’s concern is the danger our troops would face from them if we invade.

So you are proven 100% wrong out of Wilson’s own mouth – he DIDN’T question that Iraq had WMD. This link is to Joe Wilson’s own website so don’t give me any guff about sources.

You and your friends need to understand that Wilson is an opportunistic liar who though he could score political points and get on board the Kerrey campaign

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 2, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
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Obviously you haven’t as what I have linked to has absolutely nothing to do with 9-11. That’s a totally separate report.

Please show me a citation where the committe itself said Wilson had done nothng wrong. You can’t do it.

You have yet to link to a single piece of documentation that has contradicted anything I’ve said – because you can’t

All you can do is wave your hands and say I’m mistaken – because you have no evidence to contradict me.

My close friend lost a long time friend as he was murdered in one of their elimination systems. She and some of her family will testify in court that what happened to him was actually murder.

Other criminal facets involved in this are Huge MOB Gang Stalking. It’s a very old criminal behavior with history but today it’s consider somewhat new to Law Enforcement. My life and my friends life have been overwhelmed from this criminal behavior for years and we aren’t the only ones. As more of this surfaces, people won’t believe how out of control everthing is however, you may start to realize why what’s been coming out of Washington has been so insane.

Of course I’ve read the 9-11 Senate committee report. It’s just as I posted. The “additional views” are in the appendix to the actual report. This particular one was written by 3 republicans, is not consistent with the findings of the general committee and represents their own views. Yes, there are other “additional views.” The ones by democrats almost all list relevant public statements by the Bush administration which were mendacious. The committee itself decided that Wilson had done nothing wrong and had not misrepresented his mission. The “additional view” by the three repubs contradicts the committee findings.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/iraq.html

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 2, 2007 @ 6:06 pm

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Once again:

http://web.mit.edu/simsong/www/iraqreport2-textunder.pdf

It’s obvious from your comments that you haven’t bothered to look at it.

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 2, 2007 @ 6:05 pm

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Show me the page numbers or name the appendix that shows the Republican minority view. I’m not quoting from any minority report or appendix. You can’t do it.