ThinkFast: July 2, 2007
ThinkFast: July 2, 2007
“At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers.” Unbeknownst “even to many on his staff,” Bush has summoned “leading authors, historians, philosophers and theologians to the White House” to discuss questions like, “Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?”
Days before the 40th anniversary of the Freedom of Information Act on July 4, a new study shows that agencies “often take months or even years to respond to requests for information.” The State Department is the worst offender, with 10 requests over 15 years old. Agencies are supposed to respond within 20 days.
“Battle stress may cause combat-hardened Marines with clean records to get into trouble after they return home,” new Marine Corps research shows. “The Marines have a plan to help these troops but not the resources to implement it, said a leading mental health expert with the Corps.”
“Air strikes by foreign forces in Afghanistan have recently killed more civilians than the Taliban and the U.S.-led operation should cut them back,” said Afghanistan’s Independent Human Rights Commission. “In the latest incident involving civilian fatalities, Afghan officials said on the weekend that 45 civilians were killed in an air strike in the south of the country.”
“Four U.S. soldiers and a Marine were killed in attacks in Baghdad and Iraq’s western Anbar province, the military said Monday,” bringing the total number of U.S. fatalities to 3,582.
The Bush administration is “considering moving its program for a new-generation nuclear warhead into the development stage within a year, with an eye to putting the program on track before the end of its term in January 2009.”
In 1999, Congress told the federal agencies that they should “award 3 percent of their contracts to businesses owned by service disabled veterans.” But currently, only FEMA has met the target. “Government-wide, less than 1 percent of all federal contracts have gone to businesses owned by service-disabled veterans.”
“The Pentagon has approved an Army recommendation for a 600% increase in production of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles to protect soldiers from makeshift bombs in Iraq.” Although lawmakers applauded the Pentagon’s increase — which would cost $8.1 billion — Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) noted that he couldn’t “support more than $6 billion in MRAP spending for next year because contractors can’t build the vehicles fast enough.”
And finally: Al Gore is a “die-hard” Sopranos fan, but was going to have to miss last month’s season finale because he was scheduled to be on a plane to Istanbul. So Gore called Brad Grey, the chairman of Paramount, and asked for an advance copy. After originally refusing, Grey eventually “had a Halliburton-made steel case, containing a copy of the episode, delivered to the tarmac where Mr. Gore’s plane sat in Chicago. The case was locked with a code. … Mr. Gore could not open it until the plane was in the air, when he was instructed to call Mr. Grey’s office for the numeric code.”
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“At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers.†Unbeknownst “even to many on his staff,†Bush has summoned “leading authors, historians, philosophers and theologians to the White House†to discuss questions like, “Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
WOW!!! Completely detached!!!
News Flash Mr. President – it’s not just the rest of the world that despises you, but your countrymen do too!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:04 am“At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers.†Unbeknownst “even to many on his staff,†Bush has summoned “leading authors, historians, philosophers and theologians to the White House†to discuss questions like, “Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
And he needs to ask “experts”? Gosh, what a clueless idiotic hypocrite.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:07 amNOW he seeks outside counsel? NOW he chooses to ask questions, inquire about reality? Bush is truly the least competent executive I have ever come across, and it is likely that recognizing his failure to understand his failures is the closest he will come to self-awareness.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:09 amSoaring numbers of civilian deaths in Afghanistan from NATO airstrikes is a big story everywhere else in the world. But not here, we’ve got Paris Hilton to worry about…
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:11 am“Or is it just me they hate?â€
Yes!
The fool finally got a clue but he better start looking at home too.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 am*from the you’ve got to be f-ing kidding department:
Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama laid out list of political shortcomings he sees in the Bush administration but said he opposes impeachment for either President George W. Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney.
Obama said he would not back such a move, although he has been distressed by the “loose ethical standards, the secrecy and incompetence” of a “variety of characters” in the administration.
“There’s a way to bring an end to those practices, you know: vote the bums out,” the presidential candidate said, without naming Bush or Cheney. “That’s how our system is designed.”
“I think you reserve impeachment for grave, grave breeches, and intentional breeches of the president’s authority,” he said. “I believe if we began impeachment proceedings we will be engulfed in more of the politics that has made Washington dysfunction,” he added. “We would once again, rather than attending to the people’s business, be engaged in a tit-for-tat, back-and-forth, non-stop circus.”
**Mr. Obama, lying us into war isn’t a grave breech? Threatening war with Iran? Wiretapping you, me and perhaps millions other without a warrant? Torturing Prisoners? Mr. Obama, I’d vote them out but they’ve probably purged me from the voter rolls!! What you don’t seem to understand Mr. Obama is that NOTHING is more important to the country then returning the Constitution as the law of the land. If these abuses aren’t challenged, the next President may feel compelled to repeat them. Mr. Obama, I don’t want any President, even you, to think he can get away with this type of sh*t!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 amBush is freaking because it’s beginning to dawn on him that all of his plans have been complete failures. He was hoping to get some shine on the turd by pushing through his immigration plan, but now that that’s flopped even he is aware that his “legacy” is going to stink forever. Sure, he’s trying to console himself with the belief that “20 years from now they’ll understand,” but he can’t even convince himself with that one.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:18 amSomeone needs to show Al Gore how to use the damn TiVo.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:18 amWhy is it all of a sudden important to him that people like him? He has acted like a total @ssclown for his entire life and NOW it matters?
And I am sure he won;t invite any REAL theologians to advise him, as they would explain how his behavior has set the world back 100 years and the number of people he has killed are approaching Hitler-like proportions.
Dubya, just go away and plan your one shelf $500Million liberry and let the adults clean up your mess, OK?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:22 amThe answer, Mr. Bush, is that the world hates you and the 27% of Americans who support you. Whether that means they hate “America” depends on how you define that term.
Perhaps your scholars might note that you and your 27%, who hate the Constitution, democracy, free speech, and the 73% of Americans who oppose you and your idea of a dominionist fascist state, are more correctly categorized as the people who hate America.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:23 am“At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers.â€
So it the US Senate’s Judiciary Committee! Bush went from lame duck to dead duck in one week. When Orrin ‘I’m’ Hatched supports the subpoena’s, you know this stand off is going to end.
Bush couldn’t have picked a worse time to try & stave off Leahy’s request.
Meanwhile, back at the VP’s office, Dick is still being a Dick.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 am“At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers.†Unbeknownst “even to many on his staff,†Bush has summoned “leading authors, historians, philosophers and theologians to the White House†to discuss questions like, “Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
Ahh, don’t waste your time or money, Mr. President. The answer is simple given the moonbat state of liberals today: They hate America.
If you could use some personal advice, though, it would be to use less humor to cover your tactics, because liberals believe humor to be a weakness in so many ways. Tell them straight up: “You are a crop of surrender monkeys with no stock value to the American people. I will always have the tools to overcome your Islamo-Stalinist ideology. Thank you, defeatocrats.”
More information forthcoming.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:28 am“At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers.â€
Firstly, who says this is the nadir?
Secondly, even if incurious George is indeed looking for answers, what chance he’s is still asking the wrong questions?
Like:What is the nature of good and evil in the post-Sept. 11 world? Yep, apparently that still is the primary question that tickles little Georgie’s tiny intellect. Honestly, we have 160,000+ manhandling a civil war in Iraq, and the Commander in Chief is wondering why he didn’t read Kant when he should have.
And anyone else struck how incredibly self-absorbed these questions are… “Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
Someone please, tell the little jerk… they hate your policies.
And so do we.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:31 amComment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Eh, ct, YOU are using (bad) humor this morning, as even you don’t believe your own post here. Anyone that can type one-fingered doesn’t believe it.
Just had to call bullsh!t on you, nothing personal!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:33 amComment by upside00
Only proves my point about liberals hating humor, but anyhow, take it as you please. Thank you for your comment.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 am“Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
Yes, George, they hate you. And unfortunately that hate boils over onto us. You have trashed the reputation of this country around the world and it will take generations (and a Democratic President) for us to be able to get it back. Pre-emptive war and being the bully of the world is bound to tarnish the reputation of any country. Thanks George…now get lost.
Nancy, please put impeachment on the table. Even if you don’t use it, put it on the table. As long as it is off the table, Bush will thumb his nose at the Democrats, “we the people” at the rest of the world.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:35 amGore doesn’t have TiVo?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:36 amI can’t believe people are taking this story at face value. It is no more believable than tall tales of Bush reading a different heavyweight book every week. Why isn’t there a record of these meetings on Bush’s schedule? Because they never happened. And even if they did, the thought of Bush actually listening is outlandish. But you can bet that Karl’s shop has largely manufactured this “Bush cares” story in a desperate and pathetic attempt to burnish Bush’s legacy.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 amThe Bush administration is “considering moving its program for a new-generation nuclear warhead into the development stage within a year…
Oh yeah, got to keep the corporate whores busy & happy, eh? We’ve got enough nukes to entirely destroy the planet, but that’s not enough.
Health care for America will always take a back seat to the military. Corporate whores are the true ‘Sickos’ here, folks.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 am#6 – That’s crazy and a big mistake on Obama’s part. I just went to his website and told him what I think about that statement. You can to. Go to http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/contact2
I’m off the Obama bus. I’ll get on John Edward’s bus until we can convince Al Gore that this country really needs him.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:41 amct, I LOVE humor, I just hate to see 200+ years of MY democracy kicked to the curb by a bunch of Fascist NeoCon scumbags, who have a dwindling support group (26% and dropping) in this country and about 1% in the resto of the world. And tghey have never cared about this country or the rest of the world except how it benefits their personal ego and/or bank account.
How sad it must be to know your l’il bush and his wacko friends have let you down soooo hard. But life WILL get better as soon as we scrub the sh!t streaks off the bowl after the big BushCo flush happens in 08!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 amAnd why do we need a new generation of nuclear warheads?
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 amHow many old ones do we have: 20,000 – 30,000? Who knows?
Won’t the old ones kill just as many innocents?
Isn’t this new scheme just another giveaway to his friends in the defense industry before the end of his term? How convenient.
Comment by Katie
Given Nancy’s opposition to impeachment, would you take back your endorsement of Nancy (if you supported her) to become Speaker of the House? If so, which Democrat would you support as her replacement?
Thanks for your input.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 amThe article today on Bush is very revealing about our delusional president. No matter how much he hears that people despise him, don’t trust him, think he’s stupid and arrogant, not to mention dangerous, he remains undaunted. He is out of touch with reality. He is king of the world — his world.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:44 amHe is either on too many medications, or he is becoming insane.
(Recall that his father was perceived as “out of touch” with the average American during his last year in office.) It can happen to people who come to believe they can have it all, and are entitled to such. Bush is more than just “out of touch” – he exists in his own world made up of mirage and fantasy.
His misspent youth, his learning disabilities, his rich-boy privileges, his inability to improve himself, instead preferring drugs and alcohol, was a precursor to his failed presidency. Except this failure has brought down the entire country. Yet, in his small mind, he cannot see that he has failed – he continues to have his delusions of grandeur about himself.
More information forthcoming.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 9:28 am
That’s not likely.
There was no information to begin with IDIOT.
Just a list of meaningless rightwing bullshit you copied from someone else and nothing to back it up. BLA BLA islamo bla bla stalinst bla bla defeatocrats.
You sound like a child.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 am“Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
They hate America because of you, George.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 amHow sad it must be to know your l’il bush and his wacko friends have let you down soooo hard. But life WILL get better as soon as we scrub the sh!t streaks off the bowl after the big BushCo flush happens in 08!
Comment by upside00
Hey, you’re right. The President and his administration have let me down. They’ve single-handedly drained the Republican party. While project the Democrats winning the WH in 2008, don’t rule out the Republican party successfully implementing a plan for recovery and recapture, as they’ve done it before.
For one to assume the Democratic reign lasting a lifetime is simply wrong. New and younger Republicans, for one, will join the fray (Congress, WH, Governorships, etc.) with more lucent ideology, and their 26% base will roar back to 56%.
I have nothing against you personally, though, no matter what direction you desire and no matter the outcome. Certainly, I would use your manual to fix the problems in this country.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:54 amct,
Please honestly enlighten us as to what exactly Dubya has done that you admire so much and what he has done that has made this country and the world a better place to live? I travel all over the world and in this country, and you and your small group, are a real inigma to the rest of us.
I REALLY need to hear your answer, as, would the other 74% of the country.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 amBush wants to know why other nations hate America??? Is he really that big of an idiot? Didn’t this guy apparently go to college? Oh, that’s right, there was something about C’s mixed into that one. I wonder how much those C’s cost daddy.
Also, why are we building new nukes and then complaining about Iran doing the same thing? Isn’t there something called a nuclear non-proliferation treaty? I must have imagined that one. No wonder they hate us, we really are arrogant and hypocritical.
Lastly, MRAP’s???? Aren’t those the anti-mine vehicles that don’t really stop IED’s? Why on gods green earth are we still buying them if they don’t friggin work? People, please don’t put another president like this in office!
http://beforeyougopostal.com/
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:55 amComment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 9:28 am
The point of humor is to have others laughing with you at the things you say ; not at you , Gallagher……….
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:56 am“Mr. President, it’s the treason thing. I think the treason thing bothers people. People are funny.”
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:57 am“At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers.†Unbeknownst “even to many on his staff,†Bush has summoned “leading authors, historians, philosophers and theologians to the White House†to discuss questions like, “Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
“Air strikes by foreign forces in Afghanistan have recently killed more civilians than the Taliban and the U.S.-led operation should cut them back,†said Afghanistan’s Independent Human Rights Commission. “In the latest incident involving civilian fatalities, Afghan officials said on the weekend that 45 civilians were killed in an air strike in the south of the country.â€
The Bush administration is “considering moving its program for a new-generation nuclear warhead into the development stage within a year, with an eye to putting the program on track before the end of its term in January 2009.â€
Yeah, somehow, these three facts seem closely linked. But the Moron In Chief has no clue why.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:58 amI believe it’s fair to say that the anchor of the Bush Presidency is caught on a huge rock called truth.
No, W, the SS can’t bail you out of this one. You’re stuck. The boat’s not moving.
Sure, you can send Dick or some other clown down to see if more bullshit will cut it loose, but let’s face it, W, your time has come!
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:58 am#6, Larry, I agree with you in principle, but since the official investigations into all of the above are all in the earliest stages, Obama has to act like none of the things we know to be true have been proven yet. It would be like an assistant prosecutor talking about sentencing before the grand jury discovery is finished.
Wait until Leahy’s and Conyers’ investigations have gone forward a bit, then you’ll see a lot of Dems (and some Repubs) singing a different tune.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 amComment by mparker
As long as you feel comfortable spewing meaningless left-wing bullsh!t, I’ll feel free to launch any defense I see fit. Regardless of your hatred of conservatives, they shouldn’t sit it out and be herded by crazy protesting surrender monkeys.
Eat your BLAH BLAH BLAH, that being your left-wing talking points.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 amComment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 9:54 am
The last time America was this fed up with the garbage GOP , they became the minority party for 40 years ; welcome back to 4 more decades of irrelevance , 26%’er……..
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 amComment by upside00
Did you bother to read any of posting #27?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:03 amRegardless of your hatred of conservatives, they shouldn’t sit it out and be herded by crazy protesting surrender monkeys.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Who exactly are you GOP/Chimpy leg humping imbeciles claiming we’re trying to “surrender” to ?
The Iraqis ?
Well , the country is called Iraq ; and that’s not because of some ironic twist of fate …….
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:04 amThe U.S. continues to sacrifice soldiers EVERY day in Iraq while Bush does some souls searching to rescue his image and legacy. How pathetic to see him out on a yacht, anchored in the rocks even, while our people are roasting and dying in the Iraq desert. Nothing like a hands off commander-in-chief during time of ‘war’ (his word) Oh, that’s right, he has handed his responsibility for the Iraq mess off to a ‘war czar’ so he can vacation all the time.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:05 am#34, Peter. In Obama’s statement he made no mention of ongoing investigations. He made no mention of waiting until the investigations are finished. A man as polished as Obama did not make those omissions by accident. Obama simply does not want to get involved in impeachment debate.
**Katie, I’m waiting for Gore too. But until then Kucinich is my man.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:06 amComment by MCMetal
You shouldn’t make the mistake of judging political history in determining future elections. Not even Bush’s mistakes guarantee a Democrat in the WH in 2008. Democratic contenders certainly look better at this time, but they still have to prove themselves substantially to win office (Hillary, Obama, Edwards, others).
Assuming this far ahead of time is dangerous, so you’re at a disadvantage.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:07 am.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:09 amBetter to be tagged a “surrender monkey” by a misinformed troll than to be one of the“We Couldn’t Stop Osama and Now We’ve Lost the War in Iraq” Monkeys of the Republican party.
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Haha. You’re President is an idiot!
hopefully, but doubtfully, all those “leading authors, historians, philosophers and theologians” will tell dumby the truth…
the list that followed that item is clue enough…
except for the gore story… that’s just plain disappointing, actually…
sounds like a spoiled jerk thing going on…
what’s up with that, al?
and larry’s story about obama… ugh… another letdown…
i sent some cash in the beginning but have held back since…
and whenever they call me, i tell them, no, he worries me…
this is the proverbial straw…
more cash to edwards…
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:11 am#37
I did but my message went out before it came through.
But I still need to know where the “surrender monkey” comments come from? Is it the fact that YOUR party (GOP/BushCo) has surrendered our freedom, our liberties and basically shat on the US constitution?
I am a combat vet of the last clusterf@ck of an illegal war and know first hand what bad decisions and even worse leadership can do to the military and to our country. So I hope you don’t EVEN try to say that anything we have done in Iraq can be construed as imrpoving our security or our way of life (Unless you work for Halliburton or BlackWater).
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:12 am“The Marines have a plan to help these troops” who are under battle stress.” If they do, then they are merely treating the symptom and not the cause. They would be putting a Band-aid on a rupture. As long as those troops are placed unnecessarily in harm’s way, more of them will be returning to this country maimed and cripled and suffering from PTSD. The only sensible and logical way to ensure that they do not return to this country mentally ill because of what they have witnessed and/or participated in is to make sure that they are not placed in harm’s way. That is certainly the best way to support the troops by bringing them home-alive and in one piece-now.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:12 am“But life WILL get better as soon as we scrub the sh!t streaks off the bowl after the big BushCo flush happens in 08!”
Comment by upside00
Amen!
An excellent metaphor. One even the rethugs can relate to and understand.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 amComment by MCMetal
You shouldn’t make the mistake of judging political history in determining future elections. Not even Bush’s mistakes guarantee a Democrat in the WH in 2008. Democratic contenders certainly look better at this time, but they still have to prove themselves substantially to win office (Hillary, Obama, Edwards, others).
Assuming this far ahead of time is dangerous, so you’re at a disadvantage.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:07 am
I called the past November election correctly (I was off by 1 SEAT) ; I’m willing to bet that you foolishly predicted/were certain that the horseshit GOP would retain both Houses.
BTW
Chimpy’s “mistakes” ?
His entire existence is one colossal error ; if he keeps going down this path , there will be no one left that will willingly admit to being a registered Republican.
The GOP has already lost over 6 million voters that changed their party affiliation/registration ; Chimpy didn’t have more votes than either Gore nor Kerry.
So 6 million Americans is a helluva’ tipping point……
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 amComment by Erroll — July 2, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Would you by chance , have family that is of Turkish ancestry ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:16 am#4–Larry from C: thank you for the information and link. I also expressed my views on the importance of impeachment. All these politicians are trying like h*ll to avoid it, but for heaven’s sake, anyone can see it would go a long, long way in restoring the good name of this country. All I see from most politicans are a lot of excuses and no courage.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 amWho exactly are you GOP/Chimpy leg humping imbeciles claiming we’re trying to “surrender†to ?
The Iraqis ?
Well , the country is called Iraq ; and that’s not because of some ironic twist of fate …….
Comment by MCMetal
Our troops are there, as I’ve mentioned previously, for a highly noble intent. If people there decide respond by laying roadside bombs and committing suicide attacks, that’s not the fault of U.S. troops – it only goes to show how insane some of these people truly are. The tactics in Iraq need to change, certainly, especially in regards to these suicide/roadside attacks, but we should stay and provide protection to Iraqi’s who want it and push political action until the job is done. Speaking from a terror-wide standpoint and not 9/11, as I believe Iraq wan’t involved there, I believe we were right to go into Iraq, and we’re right to remain until the area is secure.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:17 amComment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:07 am
Hey , tell me “Dean” ; can you even mention 1 success that Chimpy has had ?
Outside of being SELECTED president , not elected , I mean……
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:19 am“Only proves my point about liberals hating humor, but anyhow, take it as you please. Thank you for your comment.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls ”
Hey CTV1Dot,
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 amHow many republicans does it take to screw in a lightbub?
IT’S NOT DARK!!!!WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!?!?!?
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:17 am
If Iraq wasn’t involved in 9/11 as you have readily admitted , what makes illegally invading a sovereign nation , “right” ?
And our troops have always been under the impression/assumption that their cause in Iraq is noble ; but that is not the original intent of why they were sent there.
Anyone that claims otherwise , is a disingenuous and gullible fool , and/or just one of the members of the 26% band of Chimpy leg humpers………
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:23 amOur troops are there, as I’ve mentioned previously, for a highly noble intent. If people there decide respond by laying roadside bombs and committing suicide attacks, that’s not the fault of U.S. troops – it only goes to show how insane some of these people truly are. The tactics in Iraq need to change, certainly, especially in regards to these suicide/roadside attacks, but we should stay and provide protection to Iraqi’s who want it and push political action until the job is done. Speaking from a terror-wide standpoint and not 9/11, as I believe Iraq wan’t involved there, I believe we were right to go into Iraq, and we’re right to remain until the area is secure.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Highly noble intent? You are completely naive, aren’t you?
From a terror-wide standpoint, whatever the hell that is, we made a huge mistake invading and occupying a volatile Arab country and it isn’t ever going to be secure as long as we’re there.
Intelligent people learn from their mistakes, they don’t continue to throw good money after bad.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:23 am#50 I believe we were right to go into Iraq, and we’re right to remain until the area is secure.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
How do you make an area secure in the midst of a civil war that does NOT involve us (other than we invaded a sovereign nation)? And why were we right to go in there? Did you buy the first reason (WMD) or Reason two (to topple Saddam) or maybe the current Rover excuse (to bring democracy to a country that just might not want it rammed up their arse).
I take it from your poste here that neither you nor anyone in your immediate family are in or have been in Iraq, nor maybe ever been in combat. Cause if you had, you would know it is a MoFo BE-OTCH!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:24 amSpeaking from a terror-wide standpoint and not 9/11, as I believe Iraq wan’t involved there, I believe we were right to go into Iraq, and we’re right to remain until the area is secure.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Why not invading the Basque Country? Pakistan? Indonesia? China? All those countries that support terrorism and are totalitarian regimes? Bush even visited China…hows that possible being China such a human right abiding country?
Hypocresy…of course.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:25 amOur troops are there [...] for a highly noble intent…
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:17 am
bullshit.
you are delusional.
you have the truth, the information you need to KNOW the truth…
and still you make such a comment…
you are not helping.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:25 amyou are hurting the country and the people, the whole world.
.
Comment by Juan C — July 2, 2007 @ 10:25 am
The 2 countries that are far worse than all others in human rights violations are China ………….And Saudi Arabia.
Anyone believe that Chimpy would ever say something as stupid as “Bring Them On” to those piles of crap ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:28 amOur troops are there […] for a highly noble intent…
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Fallujah
Haditha
Qana
Abu-Ghraib
Yep, CT, yep.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:29 amI called the past November election correctly (I was off by 1 SEAT) ; I’m willing to bet that you foolishly predicted/were certain that the horseshit GOP would retain both Houses.
Actually, it was quite easy to predict that Democrats would take the majority in 2006. Heck, even Ann Coulter, Tucker Carlson, others, openly admitted it. I certainly didn’t predict a GOP retain, given Hurricane Katrina, oil prices and other pressures.
Chimpy’s “mistakes†?
Aside from your ridiculous “Chimpy” foolery, you could slice and stretch the assertion of “errors” anyway you want. I admitted that mistakes were made, what more do you want?
So 6 million Americans is a helluva’ tipping point…
Those figures are significant, but are subject to change. It’s simply in your favor, albeit for a short time, until the strategy in Iraq changes and the situation there improves. And of note, there’s too much anti-American sentiment given the noble efforts our troops are attempting. It’s not good for their morale.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:30 amCT
I appreciate the fact that even YOU are not a total Bushie, but you must have been at one time to still have any support for this illegal occupation we are in now.
But I ask you to think back on why it is such a “noble intent’? And as a wounded vet, I will also ask you to go visit the Amputee ward at Walter Reed or maybe the growing piece of real estate at Arlington with the poor dead from Iraq. As they say, “Old people don’t die in war…. young people do. The old people just cause them.”
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 ambullshit.
you are delusional.
you have the truth, the information you need to KNOW the truth…
and still you make such a comment…
you are not helping.
you are hurting the country and the people, the whole world.
Comment by katy
Typical hyper-speak, a grand over exaggeration. You should know that your kind of speak is not helping the troops in the field.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:35 amSpeaking from a terror-wide standpoint and not 9/11, as I believe Iraq wan’t involved there, I believe we were right to go into Iraq, and we’re right to remain until the area is secure.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Ok, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here. What gave us that right? Please explain your position without relying on generalizations slogans.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 amMcMetal at #48
Is that question raised in a facetious manner? Why would you possibly believe that I would be of Turkish extraction? And what in the world does my comment have to do with my ancestry?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 amComment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:30 am
Okay GI Joke
When do you believe that the “strategy will change” ?
After the 2008 presidential election ?
And you’re questioning my predicting the direction the GOP is heading , but you foolishly claim that things are in “my favor” (whatever the hell that means , I’m a registered Independent) , for a “short time” ?
You believe someone basing things on facts and events don’t rival your Miss Cleo-like powers ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:37 ambullshit.
you are delusional.
you have the truth, the information you need to KNOW the truth…
and still you make such a comment…
you are not helping.
you are hurting the country and the people, the whole world.
Comment by katy
Typical hyper-speak, a grand over exaggeration. You should know that your kind of speak is not helping the troops in the field.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Because our troops have nothing better to do than to log onto Think Progress in the 2 to 4 hours a day they have electricity there , to read katy’s comments ?
Are you for real ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:39 amMcMetal at #48
Is that question raised in a facetious manner? Why would you possibly believe that I would be of Turkish extraction? And what in the world does my comment have to do with my ancestry?
Comment by Erroll — July 2, 2007 @ 10:36 am
No , I meant absolutely no offense by it.
My family ancestry has Turkish blood in it ; and I was merely asking because of your name , and was wondering if you had any information about Turkey and what is going on with the Kurds…….
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 am“And of note, there’s too much anti-American sentiment given the noble efforts our troops are attempting. It’s not good for their morale.
CT_VT”
This is dishonest and shows how fragile your pov is. If you really believed in your position you woudn’t have to resort to hiding behind the flag and the troops. You don’t speak for the troops. what about the troops who also think that Iraq is a horrlbe disaster? Their morale is hurt by the lack of real discussion about how to get them home. It is unAmerican to silence disent. It is unAmerican to stay silent in the face of wrond-doing. It’s unamerican to toture people. Shall I go on?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:41 amEveryone see the latest study, showing that Fox News viewers are the worst-informed? Hahahaha!
http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/15-07/st_infoporn
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 amOh, the ‘We shouldn’t criticize the war because it will hurt troop morale’ card. Where have I seen that played before (Vietnam…)
Let’s extrapolate on your silly position in post 50, CT.
Suppose China decided tomorrow that they want to take the spotlight on the World Stage by calling in our debt to them. When we couldn’t pay, they decide, in the interests of their own national security and the security of the world, to invade and topple our government and replace it with something they think is more appropriate…say like their brand of Communism. That’s very much like us deciding that we’re going to go topple Iraq’s old government and replace it with something we think is more appropriate, like our form of Democracy.
I guarantee you, most of the world will be behind China when Dubya is lead out of the whitehouse in shackles, with Cheney right behind him. And should that happen, changes will happen in your life and mine.
We’ll get socialized health care — the _real_ deal, and socialized everything else. Walmart will be taken over, its top officers jailed, and it’s distribution system studied. Your guns will be pried from your hands, even if it necessitates your hands being cold and dead. Murdock will be shown what true one-point-of-view news is, as his news empire will be pried from his hands, again, cold and dead if necessary. But do we dare oppose the Chinese invaders? No, that’ll only show how insane we are, according to your logic. I don’t know about you but I’ll fight the Chinese as much as possible…not because I particularly care for how America has turned out, but in memory of the beacon of liberty and freedom America _used_ to be. I guess you’ll turn into one of the brown-nosers, and your quote? “I, for one, welcome our new Chinese Overlords.”
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 amThis just in from Captain Obvious:
“Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
“Air strikes by foreign forces in Afghanistan have recently killed more civilians than the Taliban and the U.S.-led operation should cut them back,â€
The Bush administration is “considering moving its program for a new-generation nuclear warhead into the development stage within a year
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:43 am#60 And of note, there’s too much anti-American sentiment given the noble efforts our troops are attempting. It’s not good for their morale.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
Let me tell you about troop morale! I came back from Vietnam and joined the VVAW and threw my medals over ther WH fence and protested (while still on active duty) and we DID stop that illegal and immoral invasion, but after 57,000 of us didn’t come back home in the front of the plane. And guess what!!! The best morale boost for all of us was when it was OVER and we came home. Please think of the troops from their standpoint: Being occupiers in a foreign country is NOT a morale booster nor is it very moral.
Something to ponder, OK?
I know you are bombarded here, but with 74% of the people here (and even more in the rest of the world) against your way of thinking, it is to be expected. And read the thread just above this one and see what the rest of the world thinks of us.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:47 amBecause our troops have nothing better to do than to log onto Think Progress in the 2 to 4 hours a day they have electricity there , to read katy’s comments ?
Are you for real ?
Comment by MCMetal
This discourse feeds the media, which fuels the anti-troop sentiment the troops have to put up with. The troops can come across the equivalent comments of ‘katy’ from a number of venues, so this has nothing to do specifically with TP.org. In addition, there are a number of facilities that U.S. troops use in the green zone to connect to the web.
It’s even odd, really, because I came across recent guidance on behalf of the Commandant of the Marine Corps with concerns that troops might become too “comfortable,” given the increasing amenities- shops, eateries, gadgets – that are being added while in the green zone. Might be controversial for him to say that, who knows.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:50 amComment by bob (not the hacker)
How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb?
Let George Bush fix it! It’s his fault it’s dark anyway!
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:53 amAt Kennebunkport yesterday:-
“But recent harsh rhetoric from Putin, who has used Russia’s energy wealth to reassert its world status, has fueled concerns in Washington, including a comment in which he seemed to compare U.S. foreign policy to that of the Third Reich.”
And that from Reuters? Wooo! Saudis must be getting alarmed.
I still wonder how many Americans ever got to read Putin’s pre-G8 media conference? scroogle it, if only for the last line, where he nostalgically sighs, and somewhat hypocritically says ‘There is no Gandhi in the world to talk to anymore…’
As for Libby and the mealy-mouthed congress, who have found easier pickings within the Gonzo scandal, ‘everyone’ seems to have avoided noticing that Cheney is guilty of Treason. End of story, er except it isn’t, as Wilson is not what he seems either…
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2005_07_31_archive.html
- this is worth study as its published on behalf of a very brave and intelligent, Constitution-oriented attorney…
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:54 amQ: How many conservatives does it take to change a lightbuld?
A: none, the free market will change it.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 amThis discourse feeds the media, which fuels the anti-troop sentiment the troops have to put up with. The troops can come across the equivalent comments of ‘katy’ from a number of venues, so this has nothing to do specifically with TP.org. In addition, there are a number of facilities that U.S. troops use in the green zone to connect to the web.
It’s even odd, really, because I came across recent guidance on behalf of the Commandant of the Marine Corps with concerns that troops might become too “comfortable,†given the increasing amenities- shops, eateries, gadgets – that are being added while in the green zone. Might be controversial for him to say that, who knows.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:50 am
That is absolutely preposterous and insanely ridiculous.
How in the hell can you claim anything that katy posted , is anything that resembles “anti-troop sentiment” ?
What kind of a half-assed and disingenuous assessment and statement is that ?
Because katy wants the troops home , that means she’s against them ?
What the hell is wrong with you ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:58 amComment by bob (not the hacker)
How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb?
Let George Bush fix it! It’s his fault it’s dark anyway!
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls —
You’re half right anyway, it is bush’s fault, but we can’t wait for him to fix anything…except a scotch and soda.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:01 am“Or is it just me they hate?â€
Ladies and gents, we have a “weiner”.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 am#77 MCMetal -
EXACTLY!!! Read my post above, #61. In fact, we would live to hear that the people back home were supporting us in trying to get the war stopped and bring us home. THAT is a real morale booster, not getting blown up for someone else’s benefit.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 amDead Beat George. Its funny knowing all these people voted for Dead Beat George. All a voter had to do, was just look at Texas an see what shape he put Texas in. George was a Dead Beat in Texas and now a Dead Beat in Washington. Would someone please give George and Dick a blow job.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 amWhat the hell is wrong with you ?
Comment by MCMetal
If it’s so out of your liberal world, it doesn’t make a single thing “wrong with me.” I think you expand you mind. Get off your high-chair.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:14 am#81 Bruce from Texas
I now how you feel! I used to spend a lot of time in Texas during Dubya’s siesta as Gub’ner. His work ethic may only be matched by Freddy Flintstone Thompson’s.
I also knoew people whow worked in his failed “awl” companies and he managed them into the ground just like he is our country.
And the good people of Texas STILL voted for him, in droves. Goes to show that even reality biting you in the arse still can’t guarantee proper response.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 amWhat the hell is wrong with you ?
Comment by MCMetal
If it’s so out of your liberal world, it doesn’t make a single thing “wrong with me.†I think you expand you mind. Get off your high-chair.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:14 am
How is claiming to wanting our troops home (where they rightfully belong , BTW) , akin to “anti troop sentiment” ?
Why don’t you address that , Mr Expansive Mind ?
Yeah , you have a very open mind ; unfortunately (for you) , it should be closed down for an inventory check ………..
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:19 amthere is no “anti-troop sentiment” here, you stoopid fool…
get a clue or go away…
YOU ARE NOT HELPING.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:20 am.
Because katy wants the troops home , that means she’s against them?
Comment by MCMetal
Yes, well, is it exactly an original that liberals want the freakin troops home? What makes that an original, substantive thought, by the way? Ever since our successes during WWII, the only calling of your party has been “bring the troops home.” OK, your anti-Defense. WE GET YOUR POINT.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:21 amget a clue or go away…
YOU ARE NOT HELPING.
.
Comment by katy
You’re only helping to push the negative stereotypes of your party. Perhaps when you can stick your head out of your pretty-pink academic playpen, you can understand what “supporting the troops” really means.
By the look of your words, you can’t actually claim to me that “there’s no anti-troop sentiment” in here.
You must feel so entitled. So, like, get a clue, um, ok?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 amCT,
I have tried to be cicil to you and you have avoided my comments and questions regarding troop support. I was one and were you?
Please enlighten us on where YOUR insight on troop morale comes from.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:27 amI meant “civil”
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 amSpeaking from a terror-wide standpoint and not 9/11, as I believe Iraq wan’t involved there, I believe we were right to go into Iraq, and we’re right to remain until the area is secure.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 10:17 am
Wrong, wrong, so very wrong.
You believe Iraq was not involved in 9/11, and that’s good because they weren’t. Iraq wasn’t involved in terror — then — and had no WMD, the reason for going into Iraq.
Would it be a stretch to guess that at the beginning you believed this administration’s reasons for going into Iraq, that you bought lie after lie, and now realize the truth — just like so many other Americans.
But now you have a problem, because if you say “Bring home the troops and end this war” you think it’s somehow harming the troops. Or maybe you just can’t bring yourself to admit that the war is wrong?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 amJudging the words from the Dean of Trolls I begin to understand the current state of our trolls.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 amExactly, Zoo.
Leading a bunch of American soldier kids to a minefield is caring about them. Wishing them a good life out of harms way is anti-troop. Yep.
These are followers of a person who said: War is Peace. Yep.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:32 amBecause katy wants the troops home , that means she’s against them?
Comment by MCMetal
Yes, well, is it exactly an original that liberals want the freakin troops home? What makes that an original, substantive thought, by the way? Ever since our successes during WWII, the only calling of your party has been “bring the troops home.†OK, your anti-Defense. WE GET YOUR POINT.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Who led us through WWII ?
A Dem or Rep ?
Who has started almost all the other conflicts we’ve been in since then ?
And how many of those have we won ?
Are you going to claim that it’s because of “liberals” and how they affected troop morale ?
Yeah , right………..
BTW
What type of “substantive thought” does it take to want our men and women home from a civil war that has nothing to do with the US , and in a place we never should have gone to begin with ?
You are nothing more than a Chimpy apologist stooge ; your comments/statements reek of nothing more than FAUX Comedy Channel/GOP/Fat F*ck Limpballs rhetorical bullshit and spin……
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:32 amComment by MCMetal
Unfortunately for you, I won’t have an entitled loony lefty making a self-infatuated assessment of my mind. Take your ideology a bit less seriously because it’s effectively hurting this country, this nation. We know what’s best, the sacrifices that have to be made, while you simply don’t.
I wonder how many times you’ve been firmly wrestled to the ground during loony protests? We know you hate the police state, that’s why sane people shouldn’t care.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 amCT,
Please go to the following link and READ the contents please. This is from Iraqi veterans, not from BushCo:
http://www.ivaw.org/faq
They have chapters now in over 43 states and is growing every day.
Maybe you can see how real troops feel. But probably won’t make a difference to you. Oh Well! I tried.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 amYes, well, is it exactly an original that liberals want the freakin troops home? What makes that an original, substantive thought, by the way? Ever since our successes during WWII, the only calling of your party has been “bring the troops home.†OK, your anti-Defense. WE GET YOUR POINT.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls(aka Mr.President, valiantthehater…etc) — July 2, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Wow. This may be the most lame rebuttal, ever. Do you normally just type indiscriminate right wing approved words and conclude you’ve made a sentence?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 amOne more time.
Please address how wishing to bring our brave men and women serving in Occupation Iraq is harming them
CT,
Please enlighten us on where YOUR insight on troop morale comes from.
Comment by upside00 — July 2, 2007 @ 11:27 am
X-BOX , Sony Playstation and White House/Pentagon memos ……….
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:34 amWe know what’s best, the sacrifices that have to be made, while you simply don’t.
Comment by CT_V1
Go enlist, puke. Your “brave” words ring hollow with cowardice when your only “sacrifice” has been your “peace of mind”, like the stupid little Shrub.
Now, would you like sugar or spice to help eat those words, because UNTIL YOU do something SUBSTANTIAL as a form of “sacrifice”, you need to shut up.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:39 amMcMetal and DRxJ,
I have been civil to this guy and given him ample opportunites to give his resons for why he says what he says, but we never get a straight answer or we get BushCo talking points (and poorly strung together).
I feel sorry for him n some ways as he might be intelligent, just another victim of the BushCo NeoCon Flavor Kool-Aid enema. How sad his world must be!
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 amComment by MCMetal
Unfortunately for you, I won’t have an entitled loony lefty making a self-infatuated assessment of my mind. Take your ideology a bit less seriously because it’s effectively hurting this country, this nation. We know what’s best, the sacrifices that have to be made, while you simply don’t.
I wonder how many times you’ve been firmly wrestled to the ground during loony protests? We know you hate the police state, that’s why sane people shouldn’t care.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:33 am
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You stupidly try to tell me to “take my ideology a bit less seriously because it’s effectively hurting this country, this nation” ; and in the very next sentence claim “We know what’s best” ?
1st off
Who the hell is “we” , you delusional ass bag ?
2nd
What is “better” about the US/the world , since Chimpy’s been fouling up the Oval Office and screwing everything up ?
You obviously don’t know better , you self-aggrandizing and delusional speck ………..
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 amWho led us through WWII ?
A Dem or Rep ?
A Dem, of course. But you see, you don’t have a right to that history, because that is no longer the Democratic party. Your party has morphed itself to be weaklings with too much hesitation. FDR, Truman, others have already turned in their graves.
Who has started almost all the other conflicts we’ve been in since then ?And how many of those have we won ?
Well, I do know that Kennedy/Johnson started and escalated your most hated war, the Vietnam war. And since Democratic ideology was behind that conflict, we naturally lost.
Are you going to claim that it’s because of “liberals†and how they affected troop morale ?
Why are you so insistent on acting as if you party has done no wrong to troop morale? I mean, you hippies w/o tie-dye these days are exploiting them for political gain. I will point out your parties’ failures. You will resist, I don’t care. It’s only a matter of time before you you return to spitting on returning troops, ALA Vietnam. I see you’re just waiting for the right moment.
What type of “substantive thought†does it take to want our men and women home from a civil war that has nothing to do with the US , and in a place we never should have gone to begin with?
You’ll always try to find some logic-in-overdrive assertion as to why the U.S. shouldn’t defend itself from future terrorist attacks and gain retaliation for attacks committed against our great country. You think you’re a hero; in fact, you are deceiving and flatly wrong.
You are nothing more than a Chimpy apologist stooge ; your comments/statements reek of nothing more than FAUX Comedy Channel/GOP/Fat F*ck Limpballs rhetorical bullshit and spin……
Ah, yes, lefty talking points. Yes, they’re TALKING POINTS. Does my pointing it out make you shiver?
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 am“To some of those invited to talk, Bush seems alone, isolated by events beyond his control,”
Beyond his control? That’s rich, considering that all the problems are related to decisions that he made. Trying to paint Bushie as a victim is pathetic.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 amComment by DRxJ
Didn’t claim that it was harming the troops, claimed it was harming the country. Listen pal, every talking point from the left, including the predictable, lame “bring the troops home” (a calling made before the war even starts, heh), is subject to complete scrutiny.
And no, my posts couldn’t possibly be the lamest. At worst, they could tie with yours.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:52 am#101-
You give me gas.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:55 amFour years ago today, Bush uttered the ill-advised “Bring ‘em on” insanity.
Oy…
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:56 amWho led us through WWII ?
A Dem or Rep ?
A Dem, of course. But you see, you don’t have a right to that history, because that is no longer the Democratic party. Your party has morphed itself to be weaklings with too much hesitation. FDR, Truman, others have already turned in their graves.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Looks as if I will have to reply , piece by piece , to this moronic twit.
Who in the hell are you , to try and (stupidly) comment about the Democratic Party , and what they are/stand for ?
The US was attacked by Japan ; hence we went to war against JAPAN ; FDR sure as hell didn’t try to retaliate against China , Taiwan , or any other Oriental-populated nation.
With great power comes with great responsibility ; yet , GOP/Chimpy nut huggers like yourself wail about Dems being “weak”.
You believe strength is expressed through viciousness and/or the use of wanton attacks and force ?
Even if that were true (which it’s not) , what is your specific role in this (along with your loser heroes in the GOP)?
Cheerleader ? Like your imbecilic hero in the Oval Office ?
There is nothing more cowardly than those who advocate violence/war/death , and personally refuse to partake in it themselves.
You sir , are a chickenshit chickenhawk……….Coward.
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:56 amYou give me gas.
Comment by Barbarian
Just take it outside, ok? :D
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 amI think it’s odd that the WaPo article didn’t mention these recent episodes:
“Georgie Anne Geyer writes today in the Dallas Morning News about President Bush’s strange behavior during a recent meeting with “[f]riends of his from Texas.â€
Friends of his from Texas were shocked recently to find him nearly wild-eyed, thumping himself on the chest three times while he repeated “I am the president!†He also made it clear he was setting
Iraq up so his successor could not get out of “our country’s destiny.â€
This is the second time in recent weeks that accounts have surfaced of Bush lashing out or “ranting†in private meetings when responding to criticism of his Iraq policy.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/31/bush-wild-eyed/
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 amComment by MCMetal
You stupidly try to tell me to “take my ideology a bit less seriously because it’s effectively hurting this country, this nation†; and in the very next sentence claim “We know what’s best†?
That’s right, you read correctly. Your ideology is hurting this nation. Perhaps somebody thought right to coin the term, “defeatocrats.”
1st off
Who the hell is “we†, you delusional ass bag?
The “we” is Americans. The rest are liberals, the ones operating domostic terrorist massage parlors.
2nd
What is “better†about the US/the world , since Chimpy’s been fouling up the Oval Office and screwing everything up?
The U.S. is still the greatest country on this planet. Strong, we still stand. If you truly loved this country, you’d see that.
You obviously don’t know better , you self-aggrandizing and delusional speck ………..
Well, I guess I’ve got it good as of right now. Usually in liberal-village, the personal attacks come first. Then, the computer hacking, in this case, would be second, followed by the protesting and burglarizing of my quarters. Finally, throwing objects and resorting to other violence would cap off the debate. That would be your “civil” liberal debate. I love how you’re all for peace and tranquility.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:04 pm#102 …….Continued
Who has started almost all the other conflicts we’ve been in since then ?And how many of those have we won ?
Well, I do know that Kennedy/Johnson started and escalated your most hated war, the Vietnam war. And since Democratic ideology was behind that conflict, we naturally lost.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:45 am
You obviously don’t know squat (no surprise there)
Vietnam War 1st started back in ‘54-’55 ; Eisenhower was president , you twit.
You going to claim he was part of the Democratic party ?
And when did we withdraw all our forces ?
When Nixon was president , chucklehead ; your grasp of US history is phenomenally lacking………
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:06 pm#102 …….Continued
Are you going to claim that it’s because of “liberals†and how they affected troop morale ?
Why are you so insistent on acting as if you party has done no wrong to troop morale? I mean, you hippies w/o tie-dye these days are exploiting them for political gain. I will point out your parties’ failures. You will resist, I don’t care. It’s only a matter of time before you you return to spitting on returning troops, ALA Vietnam. I see you’re just waiting for the right moment.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:45 am
So , you believe our troops are more adversely effected by calls for them to be brought home , than being lied to constantly and being somewhere with ever-changing/no set goals or mission ?
Do you also believe you’re Elvis and Santa ?
And who the hell wears tie-dyed shirts anymore , besides “Dead Heads” ?
BTW
Cutting all Vets’ pay and benefits , which is a Chimpy administration decision , isn’t “spitting” on them ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:12 pm“U.K. terror probe nets additional arrests”
I love that headline. Just goes to show, you don’t need 170,000 troops standing around in the desert in order to thwart terrorism.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 pm#102 …….Continued
What type of “substantive thought†does it take to want our men and women home from a civil war that has nothing to do with the US , and in a place we never should have gone to begin with?
You’ll always try to find some logic-in-overdrive assertion as to why the U.S. shouldn’t defend itself from future terrorist attacks and gain retaliation for attacks committed against our great country. You think you’re a hero; in fact, you are deceiving and flatly wrong.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Who am I deceiving , and when did I ever claim to be any type of “hero” ?
Your rhetorical bullshit would be funny , if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Defending yourself from future attacks isn’t justification for arbitrarily invading another country ; especially when you stop to consider that it was an illegal act to begin with , as well as having no link to anything to do with our being attacked on 9/11.
Retribution isn’t the way to claim you’re the “beacon of democracy” ; and acting in a wrong manner , after we’ve been wronged , creates more wrongs in its wake.
Those whom you stupidly try to defend , do not have the fortitude , strength or intelligence that is far-seeing and reaching to understand or care about any of that.
Nor do you , obviously………….
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:19 pm>The “we†is Americans. The rest are liberals, the ones operating
>domostic terrorist massage parlors.
Oh, you, the 70% of America who disapproves of Bush’s handling of the Economy, the War on Terror, and many other issues? The 60+% who say that we should be looking at a timeline to evacuate our troops and return them home? The well over 70% that say that the War on Iraq is going poorly? The over 50% who say that we went into Iraq on a bad premise?
That America?
Wait. That group would include US. Sorry, you’re part of the sorry tiny group that sucks at Bush’s teat, who think that Iraqi citizens throw flowers and candy to our troops but the ‘Librul Media’ won’t report it, and who take every word Rush Limbaugh says as the Words of the Almighty Himself.
And Massage Parlours for Terrorists? Sorry, I can’t say I’ve seen those. Granted, your people would gladly set them up to make a fast dishonest buck. Perhaps the one you found is actually a front operation for a neocon trying to make more money, and discredit Liberals in the process. It WOULD be your MO.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmBush > the entire world hates you, so resign and go live in exile in Paraguay.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pm#102 …….Continued
You are nothing more than a Chimpy apologist stooge ; your comments/statements reek of nothing more than FAUX Comedy Channel/GOP/Fat F*ck Limpballs rhetorical bullshit and spin……
Ah, yes, lefty talking points. Yes, they’re TALKING POINTS. Does my pointing it out make you shiver?
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:45 am
NO , actually it makes me shake…………
With uncontrollable laughter at your foolishness and ignorance.
You have not made 1 remotely relevant statement , or refuted anything I’ve posted with anything tangible ; just ridiculous White House/GOP/FAUX/Limpballs talking points , that have not been working for almost 5 YEARS.
Talk about not having a clue/taking a hint ; when are we going to stop making circles with all those “corners being turned”in Iraq , and get the hell out of there ?
When there are no more Iraqis left ?
BTW
Can you explain why we need the largest embassy in the world in Iraq ?
Because the Iraqis are so grateful , and we deserve it ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmComment by MCMetal
Who in the hell are you , to try and (stupidly) comment about the Democratic Party , and what they are/stand for ?
Because the democratic party of today has clearly changed, even with party members/leaders taking notes from run-down countries in wanting to emulate their style. Past democratic leaders morphed us into a superpower, today’s democrats (who tout themselves to be “progressives”) take issue with the U.S. being #1, directs sympathy to the wrong people/groups.
The US was attacked by Japan ; hence we went to war against JAPAN ; FDR sure as hell didn’t try to retaliate against China , Taiwan , or any other Oriental-populated nation.
FDR was good on defense, of course. I’ve already admitted that a change of strategy is needed in Iraq. There was lingering concern, however, for years, even among members of your own party (Pelosi, Kerry, etc.) BEFORE bush came into office. How we get out of Iraq with the best result as soon as possible, is the toughest question, but I don’t think we could just yank the troops out at once.
You believe strength is expressed through viciousness and/or the use of wanton attacks and force ?
No, I believe in a strategic defense. Heck, I’m more for strategic aerial warfare than the use of ground forces. That would harness technology best, in my view, and result in fewer U.S. casualties. I do have my fundamental criticism of this administration. GW Bush certainly wouldn’t be my top candidate to manage a full-scale war if I was faced with the ultimate choice.
Even if that were true (which it’s not) , what is your specific role in this (along with your loser heroes in the GOP)?
There are a good number of Republican veterans still supporting the war effort right now. You have your advocacy groups, GOP-affiliated veterans have theirs.
There is nothing more cowardly than those who advocate violence/war/death , and personally refuse to partake in it themselves.
I advocate a strong defense, which no different than advocating the efforts of my local police department.
You sir , are a chickenshit chickenhawk……….Coward.
And I thought you were running out of talking points….
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:27 pmDamn!!!
Dean CT is owning you Lefty fools!!!
Nice work Dean, I’ll be back later.
The second session of RNC summer camp began today, so I gotta go. God Bless!
Keep Fighting these Islamo-Stalinists!
Your President,
Mr. President
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:31 pm†
Dean CT is owning you Lefty fools!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Actually, he’s not.
MCMetal is doing exceptionally well….
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:37 pmFilling up the threads with GOPer fascism is the name of the game on TP.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:38 pmThere is nothing more cowardly than those who advocate violence/war/death , and personally refuse to partake in it themselves.
I advocate a strong defense, which no different than advocating the efforts of my local police department.
You sir , are a chickenshit chickenhawk……….Coward.
And I thought you were running out of talking points….
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
You can’t even keep your statements straight.
“No, I believe in a strategic defense. Heck, I’m more for strategic aerial warfare than the use of ground forces. That would harness technology best, in my view, and result in fewer U.S. casualties.”
You aren’t prattling on about “defense” , yo-yo ; you’re advocating aggression.
Knock off your ridiculous claims of my using “talking points” ; you’re talking out your ass , and don’t even realize it……..
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 pmGiven Nancy’s opposition to impeachment, would you take back your endorsement of Nancy (if you supported her) to become Speaker of the House? If so, which Democrat would you support as her replacement?
Thanks for your input.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls
The moment she uttered the words “impeachment is off the table”, I knew she was a “bought and paid for bitch” !!!! As far as I am concerned she’s just another “republi-can’t” , posing a “demo-can’t”. All losers!
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmEven if that were true (which it’s not) , what is your specific role in this (along with your loser heroes in the GOP)?
There are a good number of Republican veterans still supporting the war effort right now. You have your advocacy groups, GOP-affiliated veterans have theirs.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
I didn’t ask you about the rest of the horseshit GOP ; I asked you , specifically ………And you write the above drivel ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmBecause the democratic party of today has clearly changed, even with party members/leaders taking notes from run-down countries in wanting to emulate their style. Past democratic leaders morphed us into a superpower, today’s democrats (who tout themselves to be “progressivesâ€) take issue with the U.S. being #1, directs sympathy to the wrong people/groups.
The US was attacked by Japan ; hence we went to war against JAPAN ; FDR sure as hell didn’t try to retaliate against China , Taiwan , or any other Oriental-populated nation.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Ya’ know , you really are a clueless and ignorant twit.
Today’s Dems , “directs sympathy to the wrong people/groups” ?
Oh really ?
You , as a GOP/Chimpy sycophant , must absolutely adore Ronnie Retard ……..Tell me I’m wrong there.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:51 pmOk, plain speaking 101…
I have been lurking on this site for a while now and notice that the general trend of commentaries
deal with effects far more than they do with causes. Surely by now it has become self evident that
the world is dealing with a longterm plan of domination? What I find most alarming is a seeming
inability to connect the dots and stop the cause amongst thinking Americans.
A cursory glance at Wiki of the membership, past and present, of the Council on Foreign Relations
and it’s latest offshoot PNAC, coupled with many parallels at the so-called Federal Reserve Bank
Inc., must surely be sufficient reason for the American public to realise what has been done to them
(and the rest of the world in far greater measure!), by this very small group and to finally
exercise their Constitutional rights of citizens arrest?
It’s been going on for years. Just a little deeper digging finds that John & Allen Dulles pretty
well set the tone for all that has followed: The former stated “Local defenses must be reinforced by
the further deterrent of massive retaliatory power.” and the latter formed the CIA out of the OSS
and the Gehlen Organisation, the core of Germany’s wartime secret police. I am sure many of you have
also at least glanced at ‘The Family Jewels’ by now?
What more do you need but co-ordination of the constellation of websites crying out for redress, for
some truth, for some genuine justice, to arrest these psychopathic madmen? Perhaps a little
advicefrom an ex-insider like S O r o s…?
Go on – read the lists, put it all together and act for a saving of the Constitution. This time next
year will be too late – way too late.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Foreign_Relations#Some_corporate_members
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmComment by Zooey
Thank you for your partison note of support, Zooey.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmComment by MCMetal
Your drivel makes for a great talking-points souffle with a hint of Islamo-Stalinism.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmRe #122 – Comment by not impressed with the U.S.
You might want to look into Pelosi’s funding connection with the arms industry.
I can’t answer for the increasingly irrelevant Republicrat or Democan but Ron Paul, who should be called the voice of the Constitutional Party, looks worthy of support of only for his blunt honesty.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmhello!!!
Lewis Libby, Ex-Cheney Aide, Must Go to Prison During Appeal
By Cary O’Reilly
July 2 (Bloomberg) — Lewis “Scooter†Libby, an ex-aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, must go to prison while appealing his conviction for obstructing a CIA leak probe, a U.S. appeals court said.
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmhttp://www.bloomberg.com/ apps/ news?pid=20601087&sid=a3Fg82u4qIok&refer=home
Comment by Zooey
Thank you for your partison note of support, Zooey.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
The imbecile pretending to be the president (another imbecile , how ironic) , was certainly impartial and unbiased , right ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:00 pmComment by katy
Sprinkle your glitter, brat.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:02 pmVietnam War 1st started back in ‘54-’55 ; Eisenhower was president , you twit.
You going to claim he was part of the Democratic party ?
Gulf of Tonkin and NSAM 273 ring a bell?
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:07 pmComment by MCMetal
Your drivel makes for a great talking-points souffle with a hint of Islamo-Stalinism.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
TRANSLATION = This liberal meanie has refuted all my bullshit , and I have nothing left to throw at him …………
You can put whip cream atop a pile of crap ; it doesn’t make it pie ala mode .
I can see you don’t have any response for the questions I asked of you ; I’m not in the least bit surprised.
You prattle on using irrational and inapplicable arguments , which are nothing more than talking points you’ve culled from reading garbage off of sites like NewsCrap , The Weakly SubStandard , The American Sphincter , and Sludge Report ; as well as listening to blowhard liars like Limpballs and Sean Insanity.
You’re pretty pathetic………
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:08 pmVietnam War 1st started back in ‘54-’55 ; Eisenhower was president , you twit.
You going to claim he was part of the Democratic party ?
Gulf of Tonkin and NSAM 273 ring a bell?
Comment by m12 — July 2, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
We were already in ‘Nam by the time those 2 incidents occurred ; are you ringing a lunch bell ?
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:11 pm“The Pentagon has approved an Army recommendation for a 600% increase in production of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles to protect soldiers from makeshift bombs in Iraq.†Although lawmakers applauded the Pentagon’s increase — which would cost $8.1 billion — Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) noted that he couldn’t “support more than $6 billion in MRAP spending for next year because contractors can’t build the vehicles fast enough.â€
I wrote a LTTE about this. There are very effective ways of making vehicles mine-resistant. In particular, one phenomenon of physics is that explosives lose their force inversely with up to the cube of the distance (depending on the configuration of the explosive). The simplest and cheapest measure for increasing resistance to mines is to increase the distance between the vehicles and the mines. I suggested in my LTTE that 6000 kilometres ought to do the trick, even against MOABs and nukes….
CHeers.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:12 pmabout Obama’s comment on Impeachment-it is disappointing to hear him what he said. Impeachment,the word itself is mentioned on Consistitution more than a dozen times. it is a very part of this country. the way i see it is that the founding fathers warned us clearly not to trust the president of USA, always watch what he/she does AND NOT TO BE AFRAID TO PUNISH HIM/HER. i guess whoever wants to be the president of USA has to be against /afraid of the idea that WE THE PEOPLE getting comfy with “punishing” their sitting-in president. too bad.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:16 pmEver since our successes during WWII, the only calling of your party has been “bring the troops home.†OK, your anti-Defense. WE GET YOUR POINT.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Your success in WWII were due to your waiting until Hitler was out of ammo (after all the war did start in 1939 not at Pearl Harbour) and all of Japan would probably fit into any one of several States.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:18 pmBut y”all did real gud when reagan went down to Grenada, a country that would probably fit inside one of your major cities.
Now you’re bogged down in Iraq because of no leadership, and thinking (I use the word loosely) about Iran.
Cuba has held your politicians, armies and terrorists at bay for 50 years. I won’t even start on Vietnam. Guatamala and Panama didn’t do too well, but Chavez is holding his own.
Seems like your country has the success rate of any bully.
Breaking:
Gorge Dubya Boosh blows his walnut sized brain out in KFC parking lot !
Dumbest-Official-Ever-Suicide-Watch-News-Team will keep you continually updated on this breaking story. Blood at eleven.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:19 pm“At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers.†Unbeknownst “even to many on his staff,†Bush has summoned “leading authors, historians, philosophers and theologians to the White House†to discuss questions like, “Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
I have a couple of thoughts.
1. What a clueless moron! Why do YOU think they hate America president Dinkledorf!
2. He doesn’t listen anyway so it is a waste of time and effort.
3. The rest of the world hates YOU and the US because of WHAT WE DO! You simpleton you! What else could it be?
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:20 pmComment by MCMetal
Actually, you really haven’t proven anything, you’ve incessantly made self-declarations in being a “winner.” I don’t think that’a how winners are determined.
I have nothing to fear of weak-minded lefty. You lefties have the words, we have the action.
May the left continue to lose, because it’s only a good thing for our nation. The Republican party could use some refreshing. Once that’s done, we’ll be the ultimate 76% again. Wait and see, dolt.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:20 pmComment by el kanuckistani
You are an anti-American Islamo-Stalinist dolt. You are a confirmed radical and an Islamophile.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:23 pmThank you for your partison note of support, Zooey.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
I’m just calling it as I see it, CT. When you do well, I support you.
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:25 pmComment by MCMetal
Actually, you really haven’t proven anything, you’ve incessantly made self-declarations in being a “winner.†I don’t think that’a how winners are determined.
I have nothing to fear of weak-minded lefty. You lefties have the words, we have the action.
May the left continue to lose, because it’s only a good thing for our nation. The Republican party could use some refreshing. Once that’s done, we’ll be the ultimate 76% again. Wait and see, dolt.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
I “declared” nothing ; especially anything that had to do with me….
I merely pointed out the obvious ; that your posts are racked with absolutely no fact , historical inaccuracies , and self-made statements that you readily and wantonly contradict within a matter of a period or comma following your dishonest and untrue statement.
And for you to laughably claim someone is “weak minded” , is the equivalent of Chimpy claiming someone else is a poor public speaker ; unless you’re making your claim through an admission of possessing a similar intellectual inability , you’re simply kidding yourself and no one else.
As for your foolish claim of “action” ; you advocate aggressive folly , yet refuse to personally participate.
A keyboard commando’s only “action” is hitting an “enter” button , you sorry ass pansy ……….And the chances of the horseshit GOP will ever be “the ultimate 76%” , will never occur ; nor has it , as far as my memory serves me.
BTW
Remember you posting this to me , just recently ?
“You shouldn’t make the mistake of judging political history in determining future elections”
What is your baseless reasoning , to being allowed to make such a preposterous prediction as you just did ?
Dreams are for free (luckily for you) ; keep dreaming , you brainless GOP skid mark ………
July 2nd, 2007 at 1:49 pmComment by MCMetal
What’s your baseless reasoning, hippie, to be be allowed talk at all? In your case, I don’t believe the Constitution covers your type of anti-American, anti-troop, anti-good rhetoric.
Run along, hippie. You’re talking to yourself.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pmComment by MCMetal
What’s your baseless reasoning, hippie, to be be allowed talk at all? In your case, I don’t believe the Constitution covers your type of anti-American, anti-troop, anti-good rhetoric.
Run along, hippie. You’re talking to yourself.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
1st off
You don’t tell me what to do.
2nd
You were questioned by a Vietnam Vet and myself about specific topics , and refused to answer . Therefore , it isn’t you that decides who posts ; as you have proven to be nothing more than an exact replica of your chickenshit heroes in this godawful administration , that try to hide behind any conveniently concocted “reason” to not respond to any pertinent question(s).
3rd
What “you believe” , doesn’t mean jack shit.You are part of the group that makes up the most stupid 26 percentile of Americans in captivity ; you’re also the minority in this country.
It is those like I , the MAJORITY , that allow your cowardly GOP nut hugging ass to spew your stupid shit and survive.
Piss off , pansy. This site isn’t for liars and mental incompetents like yourself.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:11 pmI think UNB covered this earlier, but TP, today is the 4th anniversary of this (kudos to Kos):
Today marks the fourth anniversary of a phrase that will go down in infamy. On July 2, 2003, George W. Bush was asked about the rising casualty rates in Iraq. His response?
“…anybody who wants to harm American troops will be found and brought to justice. There are some who feel like that if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don’t understand what they’re talking about, if that’s the case.
Let me finish. There are some who feel like — that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring them on. ”
And since that swaggering schoolboy taunt, 3,372 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq. Mission accomplished, Mr. President.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:24 pmComment by MCMetal
Majority vs. Minority or Minority vs. Majority, you continue to spout talking points, not surprising, coming from a typical libetroll like yourself. It’s the best ideology that counts, and you don’t have that, sir.
I believe that I’ve provided answers equal to or greater than the quality of your talking-point questions.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:25 pmMcMetal,
I knew he was worthless when he dodged upside’s question about his military experience. He’s exactly what you called him: a chickenhawk chickenshit coward who was too afraid to put his own ass on the line. He has no more concept of what really affects troop morale than any of those he sycophantically worships (5deferments-dead-eye-dick for example) because he (and they) have never been there. They know not from whence they speak regarding the horrors of war and it is patently obvious to those of us who have been there because no sane individual would advocate the things they do after experiencing what my former comrades in arms are dealing with currently in Iraq and Afghanistan. As you already stated rather eloquently, how does wanting to remove the troops from the middle of a monumental policy blunder equate to “hating the troops”? Quite simply, it does NOT! He knows this as well as you and I do but, without bluster and rhetoric, they have nothing left.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:31 pmWe were already in ‘Nam by the time those 2 incidents occurred ; are you ringing a lunch bell ?
To a slight degree, yeah. But Lyndon Johnson, only a couple days after Kennedy’s death, reversed NSAM 263 and pushed his major escalation of the fight.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:37 pmWow. The Dean mopped the floor with you Lefty Know-it-alls!!!
LOL!!!!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:37 pm:D
“May the left continue to lose, because it’s only a good thing for our nation. The Republican party could use some refreshing. Once that’s done, we’ll be the ultimate 76% again. Wait and see, dolt.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 1:20 pm”
I am not like the others, CT_V1; I think you can be saved to serve us in the Democratic Party. Since you have been involved from 9:33am till 2pm, it shows either a serious case of OCD or the mark of a “true” believer who has substituted the GOP for God. Come over to the enlightenment; it will involve a lot more reading independently, but I think you have the focus necessary. And you will actually have more free time when you’ve freed your mind to listening and understanding.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:38 pmComment by MCMetal
Majority vs. Minority or Minority vs. Majority, you continue to spout talking points, not surprising, coming from a typical libetroll like yourself. It’s the best ideology that counts, and you don’t have that, sir.
I believe that I’ve provided answers equal to or greater than the quality of your talking-point questions.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Trolls — July 2, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
You also believe Ronnie Retard was a great president , when he was , in fact , one of the worst.
So your opinion , as well as your insipidly piss poor responses and GOP/White House/Fat Loser Limpballs talking points , doesn’t mean a damn thing ; which also matches your “ideology”.
Case in point : your response to my question on your criticism of the Democratic party and their not being what FDR was (as if anyone is) , is that they’re “weak” and intiated Vietnam and lost it.
You were exposed as a moron…………Anyone stupid enough to want to believe and claim that a “strong” nation stupidly and arbitrarily attacks another on a whim , really needs to shut the hell up ; and your claim about Vietnam was just plain wrong.
You’re trying to convince others of your (non-existent) intelligence , when you don’t know US history and are too lazy and/or stupid to use “the Google” ?
You make Beavis and Butthead look like Copernicus and Galileo , you big imbecile………….
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:38 pmWe were already in ‘Nam by the time those 2 incidents occurred ; are you ringing a lunch bell ?
To a slight degree, yeah. But Lyndon Johnson, only a couple days after Kennedy’s death, reversed NSAM 263 and pushed his major escalation of the fight.
Comment by m12 — July 2, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
m12
Show where the level of our involvement was put of the equation ; and I will admit that I was wrong , if that is the case.
Otherwise , you know what I’ve posted is correct , and that the “Dean” douchebag , is in no way a US historian ………….
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:41 pm#148
As you already stated rather eloquently, how does wanting to remove the troops from the middle of a monumental policy blunder equate to “hating the troops� Quite simply, it does NOT! He knows this as well as you and I do but, without bluster and rhetoric, they have nothing left.
Comment by green917 — July 2, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
I don’t believe that he does “know” that.
He has shown a repeated and an almost insane insistence on using the incredibly crazy Limpballs/Sean Insanity/Bill O’Lielly line that those who do not support this stupid illegal invasion/our retarded simian president , do not support the troops and are indeed traitors/anti-American.
Only those with no brains and no clue would speak in such absolute terms ; traits that douchebag “Dean” exhibits on a moment-by-moment basis…….
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmHere is the timeline that describes sequence of events leading up to the fiasco that lead us to the fiasco in Iraq. It shows that the agreement surfaced in Feb 2001 and this lead to Wilson’s trip to Niger:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&general_topic_areas=africaUraniumClaim
July 2nd, 2007 at 3:26 pmDreams are for free (luckily for you) ; keep dreaming , you brainless GOP skid mark ………
Comment by MCMetal
Good one MCM. :D!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2007 at 3:44 pmMcMetal and Green917,
I’ve been in meetings much of the day but thought I would check in and see what has happened.
Looks like our buddy CT still hasn’t answered my question regarding his military service.
That is all that we need to know. Many good people have not served and that is fine but to criticize and say that those same people know what is right and wrong in war and combat, is a bit of a stretch.
CT, Haniteehee, O’Lielly, the Rusher, Rover, Darth and Dubya come to top of mind.
I will debate anyone and will give kudos to those that truly debate, but when they dodge and pick and choose which issues they respond to, that tells me all I need to know.
I thought CT started out with some good points and I gave hims some respect, but he/she did show the uncanny ability to fall back on Rove talking points when things got sticky.
July 2nd, 2007 at 7:02 pm“Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?â€
This deep, self-analyzing question complements of Mr. “there never was a business, enterprise or form of government that I managed to head (thanks to my daddy’s connections) that didn’t go tits up.”
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmHalloooo! Is anyone at home here, at all? Is anyone listening to anything but their own voices?
You mostly all sound like tired old war vets reliving forgotten battles.
When are you going to realize that ‘the battle lines’ got redrawn around the time of Reagan? Repblicrat vs Democan went out of the window at that point, to be replaced by ‘Corporations vs We The People’
Only now it has changed again and the only argument in town has become:
‘Constitutionalists vs Criminals’
Either wake up from your siestas or plunge headlong into the greatest Fascist State the world has ever known. Is this what you want, all you so-called ‘Progressive Thinkers’?
Are you really just waiting to be banged up as ’subversive elements’ in some Blackwater/DynCorp private GITMO look-alike hellhole? That’s most certainly your fate if you don’t get your fingers out and start dealing with what IS rather than want you WANT it to be.
Time is rapidly running out – are you just going to go on fiddling with your keyboards whilst Washington burns (and the rest of the world groans under economic slavery to your corporates’ wet dreams)?
Or are you going to do what Jefferson recommended? Take back your Constitution before it too is mere history?
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:01 am