Bush administration’s hypocrisy on federal sentencing.
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Bush administration’s hypocrisy on federal sentencing.
In commuting Scooter Libby’s prison sentence, “President Bush drew on the same array of arguments about the federal sentencing system often made by defense lawyers — and routinely and strenuously opposed by his own Justice Department.” Last month, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said the Justice Department “would push for legislation making federal sentences tougher and less flexible.”
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Yesterday………………………………
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July 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 pmof the current mis-administration, and reality,
shrink by the nano-second………..
How Dare You Question CAESAR?!?!?!?!?!???!!??!?!
I am a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:49 pmWho was that woman in Texas, sentenced to die, who Bush mocked before she went to the chair? Somehow Libby serving a couple of years for obstructing justice in the investigation of an act of wartime treason was too severe, but that woman, who had by accounts made a real conversion to Christianity and truly regretted her acts just HAD TO DIE, and mocked and humiliated at that…
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:51 pmEven staunch supporters of the Governor of Texas were appalled at the mockery G.W. Bush made of the plea for mercy from the woman in Texas.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:54 pmmarlow,
Karla Faye Tucker
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:55 pmLast month, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said the Justice Department “would push for legislation making federal sentences tougher and less flexible.â€
Um……but not for our staffers and cronies, don’t ya know.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:56 pmEven staunch supporters of the Governor of Texas were appalled at the mockery G.W. Bush made of the plea for mercy from the woman in Texas.
Comment by Raven
But I bet they still voted for him when he ran for prez….
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:57 pmI am a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
Jesus claimed he was King. Caesar, well, beware the ides of march.
Lookout PIG your rooting on a train track
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:02 pmIt still boggles my mind, how an incompetent boob could be elected (oops, excuse me, I mean inserted )
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:02 pminto the highest office in the land………
………………well, then again, we have McVain, and Ghouliani, and Mitt Witt………. I suppose anything is possible…………………..
But look at the upside here. Year a half, two years from now, when we REALLY start locking up Repubs, they’ll ALL be facing stiffer sentences, w/ any luck.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 pmHow Dare You Question CAESAR?!?!?!?!?!???!!??!?!
I am a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
Yet God always shows them who is God.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 pmPutting a big ol X on Caesar. Enjoy!
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:04 pmI know this is off topic, but didn’t John McCain return to Baghdad for a second visit on Monday?
I can’t find word one about it in the news. He must be trying to figure out how to leave the Green Zone without the 9th Calvary and 101st Airborn following him around as his restocks his supply of Prayer Rugs (to be distributed to his state campaign chairs because they’re already worn the old ones out.)
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 pmAttorney General Alberto Gonzales said the Justice Department “would push for legislation making federal sentences tougher and less flexible….unless said legislation affects anyone associated with this administration. Then it is null and void in all 50 states. Amenâ€
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 pmWherefor art thou Caesar.
Bow ye afore me swine.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:10 pmBut I bet they still voted for him when he ran for prez….
Comment by Zooey
To echo an infamous quote….. :
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:13 pm“Follow the money………….”
Let’s cut to the chase. There is no way Bush could let Scooter out to dry. He was in the middle of cherry picking and the illegal war propaganda. He will get pardoned even if it is the last thing Bush does before resigning, being impeached or serving out his time.
Bush and Cheney simply can not let him sing.
As for the Dems, they have no plans to do anything but sit back and politically gain on Bush’s problems, even if it means more soldiers need to die while they give Bush a blank check.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:14 pm“I can’t find word one about it in the news. He must be trying to figure out how to leave the Green Zone without the 9th Calvary and 101st Airborn following him around………”
Comment by Mugsy — July 3, 2007
Yes, another curious black hole in the media………………
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:17 pmCould it be he “re-scheduled” due to paucity of funding?
The Bush Legacy:
You got a lot to like with a Bush legacy,
torture, treason, flip-top fascism…
(some new words for the old Marboro cigarette ad jingle…)
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:27 pmAbsolute hypocrites.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 pmNo hypocrisy at all. Pushing for stronger sentencing in no way strips the President of his power to pardon those stronger sentences.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 pmIt’s not hypocrisy if you don’t believe your own arguments. Then it’s just lying.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:39 pmEven staunch supporters of the Governor of Texas were appalled at the mockery G.W. Bush made of the plea for mercy from the woman in Texas.
I wasn’t. She deserved it.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 pmI wasn’t. She deserved it.
Comment by m12
Why am I not surprised?
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:48 pmWhy am I not surprised?
Not surprised at a brutal axe murderer getting the needle? I don’t know. Why would you be?
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:50 pmNot surprised at a brutal axe murderer getting the needle? I don’t know. Why would you be?
Comment by m12
No, no , no… as usual, you’ve got it wrong. I’m not the least bit surprised you’d be a shrill, obnoxious, self-righteous pr*ck, again!!!
BTW, last week you were selling this BS about Clinton firing generals. You never did substantiate. Did you make that up?
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:54 pm“I wasn’t. She deserved it.
Comment by m12″
Welcome to Bush World. Black and White, never any shades of gray (unless it has to do with the crimes they have committed).
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:54 pmI have a question to the regular posters here. Do you think that people like m12 and his ilk are really as evil as they portray themselves. Or do they simply come here to say anything they think will get a rise out of us?
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:56 pmLook for Libby’s tell-all memoirs to come out during next years’ campaign. He can’t afford to wait to get his side of the story out – too long, and it will affect book sales.
So, give Libby a hearty thank you; he’ll be doing his part to torpedo republicans chances in ‘08 ;)
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:58 pmWelcome to Bush World. Black and White, never any shades of gray (unless it has to do with the crimes they have committed).
There are shades of red…namely, the blood of the 2 victims Kaye Tucker splattered across the floor.
Too bad nobody talks about them at all.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:59 pmComment by Katie
I was thinking about that today. Trolls look at TP like a liberal tree-fort; they can’t resist climbing up, and tossing in a stink-bomb.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:00 amKatie,
A few of them come here just to get a rise out of us. And some like to play semantic games for the fun of it. But I do believe that at least a few are genuine idiots, in each and every sense of the word. They truly have a disconnect between their ideal world and our reality. I really wish they would just come into the Land of Truth and Light. The water’s fine.
As for whether or not they see shades of grey within themselves, that may be, but I do think that they absolutely, postively believe that the use of lies and deception is a perfectly acceptable and, to boot, constitutional way to achieve their goals (which are not in the interests of the people.)
July 4th, 2007 at 12:02 am#14
Please quote the text in the legislation that you speak of.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:02 amI have a question to the regular posters here. Do you think that people like m12 and his ilk are really as evil as they portray themselves. Or do they simply come here to say anything they think will get a rise out of us?
Comment by Katie
Getting a rise out of people.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:02 am#14
Please quote the text in the legislation that you speak of.
Comment by m12
What’s the matter, Li’l Feller? Sarcasm confuse ya?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:03 amToo bad nobody talks about them at all.
Comment by m12
Including you? W/out googling, could you even begin to tell us anything about the case? I have no doubt, the family/ies of the murder victims had their say in court, and people were outraged by the crime. You act as though no one but Herr Brusch and you ever seek justice in the world. The comment you first reacted to had to do w/ Brusch MOCKING someone going to their death. I’m sorry, no matter what the woman did, to have the Governor of the state putting her to death MOCk her at that moment is ugly as SIN, you god-awful pathetic fool.
Do you think Brusch sheds any tears for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis he’s gotten killed? Do you?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:08 amHe commutes Libby’s prison sentence, but 2 border patrol men are serving prison sentences for shooting at a illegal drug smuggler. There’s really something sick about this picture.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:12 am#36
Yeah, sure.
Kaye Tucker was the second or third woman executed since the 70s.
She took a pickaxe to some woman’s throat. I believe the victim’s last name was Thornton, or something like that, and the widower was a strong proponent of the execution. One of the siblings of the victims was against it.
Like almost alll murderers, she got to spent far too much time on death row before justice was served.
She was executed sometime in 1998, after putting up a show about finding God.
If she didn’t want to be mocked, she should not have put on a charade attempting to fool her governor!
July 4th, 2007 at 12:13 am#36, Bush has no empathy, someone had to show him how to look the part, for the cameras.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:15 amPraise Jesus!!!
July 4th, 2007 at 12:17 amVote Cheney
In 2008!!!
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If she didn’t want to be mocked, she should not have put on a charade attempting to fool her governor!
Comment by m12
So you can use “the Google” after all! Good for you! Put on a charade for her governor? How would you know that? Pretty flimsy defense of your own snideness.
So what about Brusch getting multilpe hundreds of thousands killed over lies? If Kaye Tucker deserved to be mocked while going to her death, what does Brusch deserve?
Ever going to own your lie about Clinton firing generals?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:18 amSo what about Brusch getting multilpe hundreds of thousands killed over lies? If Kaye Tucker deserved to be mocked while going to her death, what does Brusch deserve?
Are you comparing murder with war?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:19 amHappy Liberal Action Day!
July 4th, 2007 at 12:20 am#36, Bush has no empathy, someone had to show him how to look the part, for the cameras.
Comment by Nance
Right, Nance. Blowing up frogs w/ fire crackers? Branding pledges in college? This guy’s a sadist. Throw in bedwetting and fire starting andyou’ve got the classic triangle of sociopathic behavior. Hey, m12, that’s something you’re a qualified expert at (bedwetting). So, uh, does he? (Brsuch… wet the bed?)
July 4th, 2007 at 12:20 amGonzales better stop his crap or he can be sentenced under his own non-flexible recommendations.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:21 amPresident Bush may have commuted Scooter Libby’s sentence, but the blogosphere already handed down its own punishment.
Here are the results from:
July 4th, 2007 at 12:21 am“The Sentence Scooter Contest.”
Are you comparing murder with war?
Comment by m12
No, actually murder w/ murder. I didn’t think you’d have a real answer.
About Clinton and the generals… I’m waiting….
July 4th, 2007 at 12:22 am#47
That’s an odd assertion, as the President has not murdered anybody.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:23 amAh. Here’s the bloodthirsty troll……
July 4th, 2007 at 12:25 am#45, Now, now Jay, remember those same rules and laws don’t apply to the ‘chosen ones’, only to us po’r folks..
July 4th, 2007 at 12:25 amThat’s an odd assertion, as the President has not murdered anybody.
Comment by m12
Riiiight… you really do live in Bizarro-Republican Land. Sorry, but the blood of multiple hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is on BRusch’s “resume”. Call it war, call it politics, call it whatever ridiculous BS you want, you F’ing little fraud.
About those generals… I’m beginning to think you were lying!
July 4th, 2007 at 12:26 am#51
Do you apply that standard to every President who has assumed the responsibility of his office? Washington? Lincoln? Roosevelt? Truman? Johnson? Clinton?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:29 amYes Nance we common people can now be waterboarded in prison, but somebody like Libby is protected from even one day in jail. Even Paris Hilton had to serve a few days, but not Scooter.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:29 amGonzales better stop his crap or he can be sentenced under his own non-flexible recommendations.
Comment by Jay Randal — July 4, 2007 @ 12:21 am
And I think he’ll stun the world and announce, “Well, I never intended for them to apply to me, or the president and vice president. I know I didn’t spell that out in writing, but it was my intent from the moment I signed it.”
July 4th, 2007 at 12:30 amGonzales better stop his crap or he can be sentenced under his own non-flexible recommendations.
Comment by Jay Randa
It would be appropriate AND funny, wouldn’t it? Perhaps we’ll have to waterboard Gonzo to get him to talk. Or sic a guard dog on his genitals.
Hmm, perhaps MAF54 or Jake or Daryll would like to do that…
July 4th, 2007 at 12:31 amm12 > when does your shift for Karl Rove end this morning?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:31 amIs there a law that says, if you assisted in any action that resulted in a murder, aren’t you considered responsible for that murder, even if you didn’t actually commit it.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:32 amIf there is, then the murder of thousand of Iraqi, makes Dubya a murderer, even if he didn’t actually commit the murders himself, since his action is he started the war.
Does that make sense?
Washington? Lincoln? Roosevelt? Truman? Johnson? Clinton?
Comment by m12
Seeing as they didn’t lie the country into as ugly and bloody a mess as Iraq, no. Please learn to distinguish between apples and oranges. You clearly think you’re very cleaver yet you come up short over and over.
NOW, about those generals… you were lying, weren’t you?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:33 amRepublic > if there is any decency left in this world, then someday Alberto might get waterboarded. He would cry like a baby, and beg for mercy, but he has never shown any mercy for others.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:34 amGood Lord!!!
The Islamo-Stalinists are going too far tonight!
They look silly!
July 4th, 2007 at 12:34 amis everyone awre that chimpy answered all of 2 questions on libby’s let-off at a visit to walter reed yesterday? – spent a whole 3 minutes addressing the wounded and maimed and wound up that marathon with another language-mangling attempt at explaining his decision on libby – what a pr**k!!
July 4th, 2007 at 12:35 amThey look silly!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
How’s the waste recycling program working out?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:35 amNance > Hitler never personally killed anybody, as the Fuhrer of Germany, but he would have been hanged for war crimes if he had not committed suicide in his bunker in Berlin. So the same criteria applies to Bush on ordering the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:37 amHe would cry like a baby, and beg for mercy, but he has never shown any mercy for others.
Comment by Jay Randal
that’s the way bullies always are. I’ve been around the martial arts for a couple of decades and if there’s one rule of human behavior that’s almost absolute, it’s “All bullies are cowards, and all cowards can be bullies”.
The Brusch Admin – Bolton, Deadeye Dick, Gonzo – and their slimy enablers – Orally, Kristol, etec, etc… are bullies and therefore cowards.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:38 amThey look silly!
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
You’re looking in a mirror, Mr P.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:38 am“How’s the waste recycling program working out?”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 4, 2007 @ 12:35 am
Uh, is he drinking his own pee or something?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:38 amSeeing as they didn’t lie the country into as ugly and bloody a mess as Iraq, no. Please learn to distinguish between apples and oranges. You clearly think you’re very cleaver yet you come up short over and over.
CLINTON: Good evening.
Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.
Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.
Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.
We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.
Lyndon B. Johnson
What’s that last about?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:39 amWayne > the Bush Regime membership believes that they are all above the law, so they can do anything and not go to jail for it.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:40 amOr this gem:
Our numbers have increased in Vietnam because the aggression of others has increased in Vietnam. There is not, and there will not be, a mindless escalation.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:41 amLyndon B. Johnson
Cheney thinks average Americans are the little people and we should just eat cake and shut-up.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:43 amm12 has a point doesnt he? A whole lot of ignoring the Constitution has been going on for a long time.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:43 am#67, and 30 years later Robert McNamara admitted we were wrong and never should have become involved in Viet Nam
July 4th, 2007 at 12:44 amWayne > the Bush Regime membership believes that they are all above the law, so they can do anything and not go to jail for it.
Comment by Jay Randal — July 4, 2007 @ 12:40 am
If I’m not mistaken, that’s exactly how Leo Strauss taught them to think. They do not belong in a country founded on the principles with which this one was.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:45 amIs anyone else here totally pissed that Bush did this before the best holiday of the year? You remember, the one where we forget everything and have fun? Oh right, we plebians should not have fun–we need to be always scared, always trying to get through to the Democratic leadership to DO SOMETHING. I just wrote to the DNC that I would not give them another penny until they demand impeachment of Bush and Cheney. Whether they have the votes to convict or not, they still need to bring articles against both in the House, now. Nevermind the criminals who have brought all this on all of us. How many of you voted for these Nazis? Too many, but they were still never elected, and the Dems will not question that. Pissed I am–enough.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:45 amChimpy more often than not these days has that wretchedly bad poker face on when he is caught by the press with a tough question. He is falling apart. The man cannot even lie well. Is he drinkin’ again ? He sure did in Germany. Pressure is building on this former alky. He is just coming apart at the seems. He has driven off the road into the desert, etc. etc. And the country has never been more vulnerable. Any real crisis that comes up could put the species in jeopardy…
July 4th, 2007 at 12:45 am#67, and 30 years later Robert McNamara admitted we were wrong and never should have become involved in Viet Nam
Surely you will be fair and give Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush the same 30 years.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:46 amCheney thinks average Americans are the little people and we should just eat cake and shut-up.
Comment by Jay Randal — July 4, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Or shit cake and eat up. One of those two.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:46 amm12 > Johnson should have hanged for what he did in Vietnam. See the big difference between you, and most of us on here, is that you defend Bush no matter what he does and we do not care if a R or D is after a political creep’s name.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:46 amYes Wayne > they believe they are special, and elite people, who are immune from any wrongdoing.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:48 amAnd as far as Libby, that mutant creation of the Belt… This Belt whore will sing sometime – watch for the bookdeal about a month after Cheney leaves the throne…
July 4th, 2007 at 12:49 amm12 > Johnson should have hanged for what he did in Vietnam. See the big difference between you, and most of us on here, is that you defend Bush no matter what he does and we do not care if a R or D is after a political creep’s name.
You might say so, but a bulk of the Presidential ’scholars’ rank his Presidency fairly.
Heck, Clinton admitted to supporting the man in ‘68.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:49 am“Surely you will be fair and give Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush the same 30 years.”
Comment by m12
They are only continuing my policies. Those thirty years stared on my watch…
I was the one who perfected lying to the american public; they called me “the great communicator.”
July 4th, 2007 at 12:51 am“You might say so, but a bulk of the Presidential ’scholars’ rank his Presidency fairly.”
And the bulk of historians now say Bush is a failed president. Buck up, little soldier…
July 4th, 2007 at 12:53 amNiether Viet Nam nor Iraq, are for any noble causes, as we’re lead to believe. Viet Nam was to stop communism, and now All of Viet Nam is communist. We pumped men and machinery into Viet Nam like there was no tomorrow and look what it got us. Iraq will be no different.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:54 am#82
Obviously…these historians are a bunch of liberal hacks.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:55 amUh, is he drinking his own pee or something?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
I asked him one night about this “Muslim Shiteaters” kick he was on, and he mentioned that he had taken to eating his own sh*t too. (Coprophagia, technically speaking…). Now he doesn’t want to talk about it. Perhaps he thought it was shocking and perhaps he was telling the truth. Only he knows.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:57 amm12 > Johnson was a disgusting president. Just so you know he would invite male Senators to come visit him in the White House and have them meet with him in his bedroom. Many times he would answer the door naked and the Senators would be forced to watch him get dressed as he called them names. He was a Texan thug just like Bush baby.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:57 amM12… More so than any one on this planet, the sitting American president must learn from the mistakes of his predeccesors. There is a very, very thin margin of error that is tolerable. The current administration’s errors will cost this country deeply for decades. Iraq with its incredible human and monetary waste, the scale of which is not known or understood but for a handful of Americans, is clearly a Vietnam II. We may not survive the next two years the way this President is melting down. We are living on the very edge of existence. One crisis now…
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 amm12 would go along with chomping the heads off baby ducks if BushCo started doing it.
Absolutely ANYTHING these criminals do is ok with him.
As long as m12 doesn’t have to think, he’s feeling good about himself.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 amFor all his personal and presidential faults, I believe that presidential scholars acknowledge the achievement of passing the Civil Rights Act in the political climate of the day. And he knew and was right about the consequences. They lost the South for a whole generation. But he did the right thing.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 amWe are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.
Lyndon B. Johnson
What’s that last about?
Comment by m12
Johnson was thoroughly vilified in his time for Vietnam, and rightfully so. All the Vietnamese wanted in the first place was the French out, seeing as they were colonial interlopers.
As for clinotn and iraq, he was dealing w. the aftermath of REAGAN and BUSH Sr and RUMMY and BIG DICk giving Saddam WMDs in the ’80’s. And this was after reagan sold waepons to the Iranians so he could trun around afund an illegal war in Latin America! CHARMING!
NEXT QUESTION! About those generals… you were lying, weren’t you?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 amHistorians have no idea WHY Johnson liked to be nude with Senators. He acted like a pervert in some ways, just like Rep. Duke Cunningham would throw parties on his boat and walk around naked while everybody else remained clothed.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 4, 2007 @ 12:57 am
Oh, ick.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:02 amJohnson was thoroughly vilified in his time for Vietnam, and rightfully so. All the Vietnamese wanted in the first place was the French out, seeing as they were colonial interlopers.
So you are admitting he lied?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:03 amHistorians have no idea WHY Johnson liked to be nude with Senators. He acted like a pervert in some ways, just like Rep. Duke Cunningham would throw parties on his boat and walk around naked while everybody else remained clothed.
Comment by Jay Randal
Intimidation factor?
If there have ever been 2 people I have absolutely no interest in seeing nude, it would indeed by LBJ and the Duke-stir. this actually sounds like a job for MAF54 or daryll, or jake!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:04 amComment by Jay Randal — July 4, 2007 @ 1:01 am
I read that he was known to sometimes force members of Congress to come talk to him as he sat on the toilet, with the door wide open, completely immodest. He knew how to exert power over someone whose support he needed. But, like you said, a disgusting human being.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:04 amFor all his personal and presidential faults, I believe that presidential scholars acknowledge the achievement of passing the Civil Rights Act in the political climate of the day. And he knew and was right about the consequences. They lost the South for a whole generation. But he did the right thing.
He didn’t even spearhead the Act! John Kennedy did.
Of course, Kennedy didn’t live long enough to wrestle with the Democrats in Congress.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:07 amWayne > yes Johnson would do that kind of stuff. He did vulgar things to embarrass people. It was a kind of intimidation, because Johnson believed he was hung like a stud horse, but he was one butt ugly man.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:08 amSo you are admitting he lied?
Comment by m12
Don’t know and don’t care. I have no need or reason to “admit”anything there, and there’s no way to establish that one either way.
The Vietnam War was a BIG, expensive, bloody mistake. The Vietnamese people have proven to be remarkably resilient and forgiving.
But we can be sure that Brusch did lie horribly about the reasons he had to rush off and slaughter the Iraqi people wholesale. He’s a “War President” and the Decidered guy, ya know!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:08 amPersonally, I’m at the point of “throw them all out and start over”, from the WH, to Congress and in-between.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:10 am#98
How exactly have you established that Bush ‘lied’?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:10 amHe was a Texan thug just like Bush baby.
Comment by Jay Randal
I’ve had this suspicion for a while that if you were to study LBJ closely, especially his political techniques, you’d see where Brusch gets alot of his moves from.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:10 amI’m tired of the bloodthirsty piss-soaked troll m12.
Goodnight all!!
Have a Happy 4th if I don’t see ya!!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:11 am#98
How exactly have you established that Bush ‘lied’?
Comment by m12
Oh, pul-lease… now you intend to gum it death.
Never going to nswer about htose generals, huh? I think you lied, Li’l Buddy.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:11 amActually if Johnson was president today, then he would be called Gay for being nude with male Senators. There is NO evidence he had male on male sex, but he loved to cheat on his wife with his secretaries.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:11 amThere is NO evidence he had male on male sex, but he loved to cheat on his wife with his secretaries.
Comment by Jay Randal
Can you imagine the ENDLESS Howling from the righwing media if LBJ were Pres today? LOL LOL LOL!!!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:13 amRepublic > it’s possible that Karl Rove might have shown films of LBJ to Bush baby for him to learn some tricks.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:14 amHave a safe and happy holiday, Zooey. Come back soon!
For some reason, Jane was MapQuesting directions to MSNBC headquarters. Any idea what that’s about?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:15 amHistorians have no idea WHY Johnson liked to be nude with Senators. He acted like a pervert in some ways, just like Rep. Duke Cunningham would throw parties on his boat and walk around naked while everybody else remained clothed.
And yet these liberal historians rank him at ~15 among the Presidents.
Hypocrites!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:15 amRepublic > it’s possible that Karl Rove might have shown films of LBJ to Bush baby for him to learn some tricks.
Comment by Jay Randal
I think you can put money on that one. I have NEVER been fooled by Dubya’s faux-Tex-ass accent. At least LBJ was a real Texan. But Jr? Pssshaw… he’s a preppie from New England whose grandaddy gladly did business w/ the Nazis!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:17 amDaryll would have been afraid of LBJ, since he is scared to see another guy buck naked. Daryll stays away from gyms and any place that has group shower rooms > lol.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:18 amAnd yet these liberal historians rank him at ~15 among the Presidents.
Comment by m12
“Liberal historians”??? WTF??? Verification, please! Or are you making this up too?
Hell, Nixon also opened up trade w/ China. Go figure. he got something worthwile done too.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:19 amMore so than any one on this planet, the sitting American president must learn from the mistakes of his predeccesors. There is a very, very thin margin of error that is tolerable
Then why haven’t the Democrats learned from Clinton’s mistakes on gays in the military and government healthcare?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:19 amTros, Jr was born in Connecticut, Daddy was born in Mass. So where did the accent come from….old westerns?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:20 amDaryll would have been afraid of LBJ, since he is scared to see another guy buck naked. Daryll stays away from gyms and any place that has group shower rooms > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal
Or so daryll CLAIMS. Me thinks Daryll dost protest too much!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:21 amOne Senator who visited LBJ at the White House told a story about him saying he would screw the North Vietnamese, then LBJ unzipped his fly and showed what he would do to them.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:22 amros, Jr was born in Connecticut, Daddy was born in Mass. So where did the accent come from….old westerns?
Comment by Nance
Expensive lessons and lots of practice. First time I ever heard him talk w/ that mock drawl, I knew it was phony. If he sounded like his father, the freakin’ Bible belters would have NEVER voted for him. He fooled them completely.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:24 amthen LBJ unzipped his fly and showed what he would do to them.
Comment by Jay Randal
Uh, my dinner just voted to withdraw mmediately from my stomach, Jay.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:25 amBush had to be trained by Rove to talk like a Texan, but Karl forgot to show Dubya how to wave properly. George waves like a sissy boy lol.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:26 amThen why haven’t the Democrats learned from Clinton’s mistakes on gays in the military and government healthcare?
Comment by m12
Aw come on, Li’l Buddy. Don’t you want to be free to proudly serve your country and not lie? DADT must be such a pain for guys likeyou!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:26 amRepublic > LBJ did stuff like that > he was a vulgar disgusting person.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:27 amRepublic > LBJ did stuff like that > he was a vulgar disgusting person.
Comment by Jay Randal
Kind of a 20th century version of Andy Jackson. I remember him showing his appendectomy scar to people.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:30 am“why haven’t the Democrats learned from Clinton’s mistakes.. ?”, because they’re stupid.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:30 amAnd why haven’t the Republicans learned from Bush’s mistakes..? because they’re stupid and dumb!
#111
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents
What do you think of a group which has 190 self described liberals and 50 conservatives?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:31 amIn many ways Bush is vulgar like LBJ. Bush spat a huge wad of snot at a reporter once while he was golfing, he has been seen giving the middle finger to people routinely, and he stuffs food in his mouth while he talks. He has NO manners, so his parents raised him as uncivilized.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:32 amJay, they had higher hopes for Jeb, then Neil, then Marvin. Finally, they gave up.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:36 amNance > It’s horrible that Bush Senior and Barbara forced their uncouth Junior onto us as president.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:39 amWhat do you think of a group which has 190 self described liberals and 50 conservatives?
Comment by m12
UH, maybe it proves that liberals take history and therefore education more seriously?
Given how almost identical the lists of avowed liberals and avowed conservatives are to each other, I’m a little baffled at what fantasy point you think you’re making.
“When liberal historians make their list, it reveals their bias, but when conservatives come up w/ an almost identical list, it’s based on… what?”
(You did read down that far, didn’t you?)
July 4th, 2007 at 1:40 amJay
July 4th, 2007 at 1:44 amI guess, even weasles are proud of their offspring, but I never wished to have one in the WH.
#127
It’s not identical. Lyndon Johnson, the man who (according to some here) should have been hanged, and who orchestrated a war that claimed 50000 Americans, is much higher on the liberal list. In fact, he’s in the top 10.
Perhaps liberal opposition to war is a recent development, or only one that occurs when a Republican is in the White House.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:47 am129
July 4th, 2007 at 1:52 amPardon? I’m a liberal and I was against the Viet Nam war, as were many of the protesters of that time., so it isn’t a recent development, nor did it only occur, because a Republican was in the White House, because LBJ, wasn’t a Republican.
m12 > LBJ was more like LIEberman is today. A Democrat in name only, who acted more like a Republican in backing warfare, just like old Joe.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:53 amIt’s not identical. Lyndon Johnson, the man who (according to some here) should have been hanged, and who orchestrated a war that claimed 50000 Americans, is much higher on the liberal list. In fact, he’s in the top 10.
Perhaps liberal opposition to war is a recent development, or only one that occurs when a Republican is in the White House.
Comment by m12 — July 4, 2007 @ 1:47 am
Or perhaps you’re incapable of believing that conservatives might have given him high marks because of his escalation in Vietnam, while liberals gave him high marks for getting the Civikl Rights Act passed against a reluctant Congress It is illogical to automatically assume that just because LBJ was a Democrat (at a time when there were a lot more liberals in the Republican Party and conservatives in the Democratic Party), that it is only liberals and Democrats today who thought highly of him.
Your thinking is rigidly limiting.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:55 amPardon? I’m a liberal and I was against the Viet Nam war, as were many of the protesters of that time., so it isn’t a recent development, nor did it only occur, because a Republican was in the White House, because LBJ, wasn’t a Republican.
Good. Since you are a liberal, please explain why fellow liberal historians rank a man who started a war that was bigger, more expensive, more destructive, and more deadly that Iraq so highly.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:55 amm12 > LBJ was more like LIEberman is today. A Democrat in name only, who acted more like a Republican in backing warfare, just like old Joe.
If you say so. At least Joe was tossed to the curb by your party. LBJ got your nomination for President.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:57 amIt is illogical to automatically assume that just because LBJ was a Democrat (at a time when there were a lot more liberals in the Republican Party and conservatives in the Democratic Party), that it is only liberals and Democrats today who thought highly of him.
That might have been true at the time. More modern polls clearly show that liberals and Democrats think more of him than conservatives and Republicans, who think much better of Ronald Reagan instead.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:00 am133
July 4th, 2007 at 2:02 amFirst off, we’re not finished with Iraq, and it may well surpass Viet Nam, and secondly, this “fellow liberal historian’ was a bigger fan of LBJ, than many of us who grew up during that time. Historians are human, and therefore, fallible.
Ronald Reagan is dead. Get over it.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:03 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 4, 2007 @ 2:03 am
Stalin is dead, get over it.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:04 amm12 > Democrats demanded that LBJ not seek their party’s re-nomination in 1968. He wore out his welcome like LIEberman.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:04 amm12 > Democrats demanded that LBJ not seek their party’s re-nomination in 1968. He wore out his welcome like LIEberman.
Translation: He was losing in the polls and didn’t want to be embarrassed by losing his own primary.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:07 amHistorians are human, and therefore, fallible.
That explains their opinion of George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:08 amm12 > the top presidential candidate in 1968 was the Democrat Robert Kennedy. He was assassinated, otherwise he would have been elected president. He would have beaten the crap out of Nixon.
Footnote: I was a young teenager in 1968 in California and watched live on TV as Robert Kennedy give his victory speech after the primary election there. I also heard the shots and saw his body lying in a pool of blood.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:13 amStalin is dead, get over it.
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR OCTAVIANVS — July 4, 2007 @ 2:04 am
I ‘m not at all unhappy about that. What’s your point?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:13 am142, and after that, that’s where history went wrong and continued being wrong for a very long time.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:18 amNance > yep 1968 was the turn for the bad in America. Robert Kennedy murdered and Martin Luther King killed too. If only we could take a time machine back to 1968 and change those 2 events.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:22 amTime for bed. Perhaps Bush will eat another pretzel today > one can hope anyways > lol. Bye all and enjoy the 4th of July.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:28 amAgreed,#146. Work those pretzels, chimpy!!! g’night!
July 4th, 2007 at 2:41 amOnly the little people suffer legal penalties. In Bush World, everyone that is not a personal friend or relative is considered “little people”.
Funny Bush reacted much quicker to the Libby conviction than he reacted to Hurricane Katrina’s disastrous aftermath.
Who would have known.
-GSD
July 4th, 2007 at 2:50 amWhy shouldnt Bush pardon Libby?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:12 amAbramoff and Safavian want their pardons now.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:41 amIf you say so. At least Joe was tossed to the curb by your party. LBJ got your nomination for President.
Comment by m12
What a fatuous child. Got “my” nomination? That was 40 years ago.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:04 amhttp://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
Clinton… he did it tooooOOOOOooOOoOOooOOOOoooooo.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:11 amThe differences between Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich and Bush’s commutation of Libby include that Republican lawyers, including Scooter Libby, argued that no crime had been committed and this position was supported by noted tax law specialists at Harvard and elsewhere. On the other hand, Bush’s commutation of Libby affirms that a felony was committed and it was a felony which obstructed investigation into a crime that jeopardized the lives and well-being of US agents and their foreign cooperating sources during a time of war! RICO!
July 4th, 2007 at 6:16 amClinton’s pardon of Marc Rich was the direct result of blackmail and bribery by forces representing Israel.
Rich’s attorney…
Libby.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/02/clinton.library/
Israel blackmailed Clinton during his administration, by planting Mossad “Swallow” inside the White House, and subsequently forced Clinton to alter his position relative to the Golan Heights and settlements.
Their final demand was the pardon of Marc Rich…Scooter Libby’s client.
Of Swallows and Ravens
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2189
Israeli Sexpionage in the McGreevey, Condit and Clinton Affairs
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/mossad/israeli_sexpionage.htm
Continue to bring up Clinton’s pardon of Rich all you want. It serves to put the entire concept of BLACKMAIL and Espionage into clear perspective over multiple Presidential terms.
It’s important for Americans to realize that their last two Presidents have been under Israel’s full control.
July 4th, 2007 at 7:59 amThis is how the past two Presidents of the United States have been manipulated and controlled:
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/Israeldata.html
July 4th, 2007 at 8:05 amNotice how the name of Douglas Feith (the REAL perp behind the lies that led us to war on Israel’s behalf), is nowhere to be found in this story. The media seems to have forgotten his name (out of sight out of mind).
http://www.rense.com/general56/susp.htm
July 4th, 2007 at 8:12 amTHE NEW PENTAGON PAPERS
How our country was lied into one war, and the next one, and the next…
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5829.htm
July 4th, 2007 at 8:32 amAh, does one recall how Ollie North traded arms for hostages, shredded incriminating documents, lied to Congress and yet became a darling of the Neo-cons because he was more interested in following his own signing statements (law of spirits) rather than the actual laws (pesky literalism)?
Now we have a government peppered with nothing but Ollie Norths. Each one acting on their own belief as to what is good for America and having contempt for Congress. I’m surprised the Federalist Society doesn’t give out a King George III award for the person who has done the most to duplicate the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence.
Happy July 4th.
July 4th, 2007 at 8:38 amHow is this different than you libs callinng for higher taxes then not voluntarily paying more?
July 4th, 2007 at 8:45 amPardons
Over and over we’re hearing in the news comparisons to pardons by other presidents and I think this is doing a diservice to what has really occured.
1. Bush Sr. pardoned at the end of his term.
2. Clinton, too, pardoned at the end of his term.
3. Ford pardoned a former president, someone not associated with his administration, and, many believe, suffered defeat for it.
This is so clearly a case of a president with 18 months left in his presidency pardoning the criminals in his own government. And noone is going to tell me this is how the pardoning power was intended to be used.
Today on NPR they I listened to their annual reading of the Declaration of Independence and it gave me chills and inspiration and it justified my feelings of contempt for this administration. These people really are the bad guys. Wilson spoke truth to power and the extent of their retaliation and wrecklessness is immeasurable. I’m very sad that such a small group of people can do so much harm to our beautiful country.
July 4th, 2007 at 8:46 amLand
July 4th, 2007 at 8:58 amCheck your facts Clinton pardoned throughout his term. I know facts are a problem that dont fit your agenda but you might want to at least be aware of them so you dont reveal your stupidity to the other lib morons.
Land
In case you are not aware I too think corruption in Gov is a problem but I am not so blind and retarded to think it is a partisian problem.
Government is the enemy!!
July 4th, 2007 at 9:01 amI’m sending an email to every representative and senator with one word: IMPEACH!
Please do the same.
July 4th, 2007 at 9:02 amThis comment doesn’t even make sense. How is this anything to do with taxation?
BTW, liberals do not call for higher taxes. That a Republican misrepresentation. Liberals call for progressive taxation that places the greatest burden on those most able to afford it.
Republican tax cuts tend to be regressive and place the greatest burden on the Middle Class. This is done largely to manipulate the Middle Class into the Republican fold by making them angry at “tax & spend” liberals. However, the Republicans have no sympathy for the Middle Class and are more likely, as Bush Sr did, to raise their taxes.
Also, the term “tax & spend Democrat” is misleading. Keynesian economics suggests that, when government intervention in the economy is required, one should raise taxes and cut spending during a boom and cut taxes and increase spending during a bust.
Republicans, being economic illiterates, actually do the opposite. They cut taxes and increase spending during a boom, thus emptying the treasury and driving up the deficit. (This is what Bush has been doing.) And yet we seldom hear of the irresponsible “cut taxes & spend more Republicans.”
July 4th, 2007 at 9:05 amthe press need to nail Tony Snow to the wall on this point…
July 4th, 2007 at 9:09 amTroll I’m commenting on the topics repeatedly flowing from the media. And one of those is,
“Clinton’s pardons at the end of his term.”
I’m no expert like you, of course. I’m just responding to the chatter. But go on, big guy. Explain it all to us so we’ll better understand. Keep it coming. In the meantime enjoy some fine literature from our wonderfull Declaration of Independence! And Happy 4th, bro!
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness of his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes…
July 4th, 2007 at 9:13 amEven staunch supporters of the Governor of Texas were appalled at the mockery G.W. Bush made of the plea for mercy from the woman in Texas.
I wasn’t. She deserved it.
Comment by m12 —
You’re entitled to your own opinion, me12(years old), but it doesn’t count for much here or anywhere else.
July 4th, 2007 at 9:14 amBoth the Pope and Rev. Falwell supported clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. And even Tucker Carlson, usually a GOP lapdog, expressed dismay at the way Gov. Dumbya mocked her.
Bush claimed when running in 2000 that he will be cleaning the mess that Clinton created..he will swear to live by and protect the Constitution when he puts his hand on the Bible. Did he?!!
I am not a fan of President Clinton…but are we as a country better now at home and abroad?
Is the average Americans enjoying better healt,education?
Is the system less corrupted now?
Are we in debt more or having surplus?
Is gasoline prices are now cheaper to the average consumer or more expensive?.
Are laws strengthened by this administration or weakened?
Is this administration changing USA to be an empire to rule all over the globe,at a higher cost….?
Do Americans support an empire,and willing to pay big piece of the budget for it?!!
July 4th, 2007 at 9:15 amI have no desire to defend the republicans whom I think are only the lesser of the two evils. It is a joke however if you think the dems in congress have ever seriously cut taxes or spending with the exception of the military.
Government is the enemy.
July 4th, 2007 at 9:20 amMethinks there will be earmarks soon to cover Libby’s fine.
July 4th, 2007 at 9:26 amThen the hypocrisy will be complete.
Sadly, many, perhaps even a majority, of Americans have the “something for nothing’ complex, otherwise known as greed.
July 4th, 2007 at 9:30 amTaxes are what each citizen contributes for the well-being of the whole, and to provide the infrastructure of roads, energy and civilization which we all benefit from.
Taxes in themselves are a wonderful device.
It’s what the money is spent on that matters.
We have corrupt and greedy officials in the highest levels of our government who wheedle and connive and extort for their own personal gain.
And corporations who rake in immense profits, don’t pay their share of taxes as they plunder, pillage, and exploit people, resources, and the environment.
Greed is the enemy
Dear me! Troll admits to being a terrorist. I say, “Lock him up.”
July 4th, 2007 at 9:39 amGreed is the enemy
Comment by Raven — July 4, 2007 @ 9:30 am
If the greedy are the government, which is the case with both dems and reps, then government is the enemy.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:01 amComment by david — July 4, 2007 @ 9:39 am
No David the terrorist are those with socialist leanings who would commit our people to serfdom under the iron fist of tyrraical gov.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:05 amm12 > the top presidential candidate in 1968 was the Democrat Robert Kennedy. He was assassinated, otherwise he would have been elected president. He would have beaten the crap out of Nixon.
Seems like, for some reason, you feel the Democratic War in ‘nam wouldn’t have had any dire effect on the party.
Yet most lefties here think results will be different this time around….
July 4th, 2007 at 11:16 amYou’re entitled to your own opinion, me12(years old), but it doesn’t count for much here or anywhere else.
Both the Pope and Rev. Falwell supported clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. And even Tucker Carlson, usually a GOP lapdog, expressed dismay at the way Gov. Dumbya mocked her.
Who cares what they think? The former husband wanted Miss Tucker dead!
July 4th, 2007 at 11:17 am#174
That should be ‘former husband of the victim’.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:18 amm12 – You conveniently left out part of that explanation on Wikipedia and that was:
“The table below shows that the two groups had only small differences in ranking the best and worst presidents. There is only one difference between the ideologies’ top 10 lists – Lyndon B. Johnson (liberals) instead of Dwight Eisenhower (conservatives) – and the “worst 7″ lists also differ by only one person, with the conservatives selecting Jimmy Carter as one of the bottom seven instead of Calvin Coolidge, the liberals’ choice for seventh-worst president.”
Also, you are picking and choosing what you want to see. If you look at the chart that rates them according to various polling outfits, you will see that the Wall Street Journal (a true bastion of liberalism) rates LBJ above Ronald Raygun.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:42 am#176
Why do you make up stuff that isn’t there?
1. The Wall Street Journal included equal numbers of liberals and conservatives. Their Op-eds might be conservative, but those people didn’t make the rankings.
2. Ronald Reagan was ranked 6th in the 2005 WSJ poll. Johnson was 18th. In 2000, it was 8th/17th.
Do you know how to read?
If you want to know which poll is the most worthless, take a look at the 1996 one. I can see how delusional liberals rank Jimmy Carter over Reagan, despite what the American people thought, but they even ranked Carter over Blowjob Bill Slick Clinton!
July 4th, 2007 at 12:35 pmFor some reason, Jane was MapQuesting directions to MSNBC headquarters. Any idea what that’s about?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 4, 2007 @ 1:15 am
That traitor!!
Heh. Happy 4th, Wayne & Jane. :)
July 4th, 2007 at 12:54 pmHeh. Happy 4th, Wayne & Jane. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 4, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
On behalf of Jane (who’s outside working on her garden) and myself, Happy Independence Day to you, too, Zooey!
Enjoy it safely and proudly.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:21 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
clintons pardons
have a look and dont be so mad.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWho cares what they think? The former husband (of the victim) wanted Miss Tucker dead!
Comment by m12
For the record, me12(yrs. old), the family of one of the two victims wanted Karla Faye dead; the family of the other victim forgave her. Actually I myself feel that the wishes of the victim’s family or loved ones should be taken into consideration. But a rightwing troll like you doesn’t care what the Pope or Rev. Falwell thought? How blasphemous!
July 4th, 2007 at 6:39 pmclintons(SIC) pardons
have(SIC) a look and dont(SIC) be so mad.
Comment by drock
We don’t have to look, dumb-as-a-rock. I’m even going to discuss the differences in the types of crimes Clinton pardoned and Libby’s, because it’s undoubtedly way over your pathetic head. But didn’t your parents or teachers ever tell you that “two wrongs don’t make a right”? With you trolls, it’s always “But Clinton. But Jimmy Carter.” Get over it already. This is the 21st cenury.
July 4th, 2007 at 6:42 pmasdasdfasfdas
July 7th, 2007 at 8:21 pm