Poor widdle liebrawls…

Room temperature = Chimpy’s IQ

Comment by MCMetal — July 3, 2007 @ 11:21 am

Are you implying that by raising Global Warming his IQ will follow?

St. Scooter?

But going off calling for people to receive the death penalty sort of makes us appear kind of irrational and overly emotional. It provides crap for the right to throw back at us.

Calm down people, and just stay with the facts.

Excellent. Thank you.

And to all you trolls who will scream “she was not covert”, please answer this question. If she was not covert, why did she need a cover company?

1. THE CONVICTION AND SENTENCE: The conviction in Libby’s case resulted from an investigation requested by the CIA in a Republican controlled administration. The investigation was conducted by a special prosecutor selected by the Republicans DOJ. The investigating prosecutor was a life long conservative Republican with a national reputation for investigating corruption cases and for being even handed in his approach to the administration of justice. The jury convicted Libby after hearing all of the evidence. The judge imposing the sentence was a conservative appointed by the Republican demi-god Regan. The appeals panel rejecting a stay of the imprisonment pending appeal again consisted of judges appointed by Republican presidents in one of the most conservative appellate courts in the country. The sentence fell right in line under the federal sentencing guidelines. One would expect that under these circumstances that the conviction and sentence would be given great deference by the conservative base. Ha! Ha!

2. NO UNDERLYING CRIME: The primary defense of the right wing apologists is that Armitage leaked and there was no underlying crime or that Plame was not covert.

a. ARMITAGE LEAK IRRELEVANT: One person leaking classified information does not excuse subsequent leaks. Note that Libby discussed the information prior to Novak’s article and would not have known of the Armitage leak. Even if he did, it would not have excused such conduct. One could even find that Armitage had been given the information by White House insiders so that he could be used as a pawn (scapegoat) by others (Cheney?) However, we do know that Libby’s perjury and obstruction of justice did indeed interfere with the investigation of the leak of information and very likely made it difficult (if not impossible) to really determine whether a crime occurred as Fitzgerald noted when he brought the indictment.. One would find it hard to believe that this was not a serious matter as even the President conceded.

b. PLAME WAS COVERT: This much has been stated by the CIA. The Fitzgerald agreed based upon his review of the classified information provided to the judge. I would note that we can infer that the judge agreed by the seriousness of the sentence. We do know that while stationed at CIA headquarters, Plame was dispatched overseas a number of times in a NOC status. Pundits stating that the operative must be stationed overseas can not point to such a requirement in the statute. We do know that the cover corporation used by Plame was blown. We do know that others using the corporation as cover are now endangered. We do know that sources used by Plame or other operatives using the cover corporation are impacted. By the way, it does not matter that Plame worked at Langley. One can still drive to CIA headquarters every day and still not be know by the Iraqi’s, Saudi’s or Pakistani’s to be employed by the CIA. One can also work with private foreign companies and consultants who are involved in proliferation of nuclear technology and still work at Langley. Fortunately, most of our opponents in this arena do not have the resources to tag every CIA employee and track them to see if they go overseas.

3. CLINTON EXCUSE: The right wingers were obsessed with Clinton’s failure to be prosecuted for perjury. Let us note the difference:

a. The special prosecutor was appointed by independent judges (actually appointees by a prior Republican president). The special prosecutor (Kenneth Starr) was a well connected Republican who had been an active party member. Starr spent tens of millions of dollars in an investigation that ranged over every alleged scandal involving the Clinton administration (Whitewater, FBI documents, Foster’s death) and came up with no evidence of a crime with one exception. It should also be noted that the investigation was plagued with leaks by Starr’s office. Starr also seemed to live a lavish life style.

b. Clinton was finally charged with a crime. Note that the original issue involved Clinton’s testimony at a deposition in a civil case. Clinton was asked about a voluntary affair. The testimony was not relevant to or material to the case at hand (alleged sexual harassment). Indeed, the underlying case was later dismissed by the judge. Clinton was dragged before a federal grand jury investigating his deposition during the civil case. This became the “perjury”. The matter was never referred to a criminal prosecution. Don’t blame the Democrats. Starr reported to the Republican controlled Congress that tried to impeach Clinton. It failed much and the Republican actions seriously tarnished their image with the public.

4. BERGER EXCUSE: Berger purloined some classified documents from the archives to prepare for his 9/11 commission testimony. It was bad. He was charged by a Republican administration and plead guilty before a judge appointed by a Republican president. He was sentenced in accordance with the sentencing guidelines. The myths about the Berger case really are astounding. The most common is that Berger took the documents to destroy them and hide evidence of severe dereliction on the part of the Clinton administration. Tough luck, the Archive gives no one the original of a classified document as representatives of the Archive publicly noted. Thus Berger never endangered the classified documents.

5. PARDON AND COMMUTATION RECORDS: No one here is going to defend the pardons of past presidents. However, Bush has been particularly stingy in granting pardons compared to past presidents. The same was true with his tenure as Governor in Texas. Additionally, Bush has violated all the DoJ guidelines in granting the commutation. These are not binding on a president but belies a certain favoritism on his part.

No one condoned Clinton’s or Berger’s conduct. Too many right wingers find no problem with Libby’s conduct. Berger admitted his guilt while Libby did not (no contrition at sentencing) which also impacts sentencing. No, it seem that there is one law for the Republicans and another for the rest of us.

Comment by You Don’t Have the Votes

And so will you little troll, so will you. And you idiots talk about Clinton’s pardons while ignoring the big pardon of your President Nixon by Ford. But even that pales compared to the pardons of Papa Bush of the Iran Contra convict that would have implicated him.

And for the record, Marc Rich was indicted for tax evasion and an illegal oil deal with Iran. Oil deal does that ring any bells. Iran, Reagan and Bush sound familiar. Scooter Libby, Rich’s attorney. Who do you think harangued Clinton into pardoning him?

You idiots should really watch something besides Fox News and stop listening to Limbaugh.
You’re brains will be oozing out of your ears soon.

Comment by MCMetal

That’s the day we’re waiting for. The day that the body temperatures of this entire group of thugs, Snow, Cheney, Rove etal., equals W’s IQ. Come on CIA, show us your stuff.

And obviously since these thugs will lie and obstruct justice with impunity, the hell with congressional subpoenas. Let the water boarding begin.

“Losing control”? Obviously, Libby’s friends (surprise, surprise) don’t actually believe in the fair and impartial administration of justice.

They think justice should be controlled to suit their ends, and/or that they are above the law.

The trolls defending the Bush camp clearly don’t believe in the rule of law either.

The bush-cheney Mafia takes care of their own.

“I don’t give a goddamn, I’m the President and the Commander-in Chief. Do it my way. Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
-George W. Bush-

“As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents more and more closely the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken-

They don’t have a single policy success they can point to. The only thing that makes them happy is pissing off the liberals, and they can’t even define the word “liberal.”

They’re nothing more than the hole the elite uses to screw us all. Too bad they hate liberals more than they love their country.
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You haters are just mad because there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about this pardon. Your top Democrat can;t even talk about it because of her husband. The Dems in Congress don’t have the balls to try and impeach Bush.

Your angry. AND I am loving every minute of it. I scoff at your hate. You get what you deserve.

Comment by You Don’t Have the Votes — July 3, 2007 @ 11:25 am

How “right” were you on Iraq ?

WMD’s ?

Valerie Plame’s status ?

The 2006 election ?

Chimpy’s non-existent and fictional ability to be a “war president” ?

Chimpy losing two wars at the same time ?

And on , and on , and on ………….2 out of 3 1/2 million predictions is a percentage that would embarrass a pre-schooler , used douchebag.

We hate it because we give a damn about our country. You support it because you put party first.

They’ll get what they deserve, which may or may not be a bullet. I hope you enjoy that part, too.
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I know. I’m just getting his commitment on “record.”
Jake would be pleased. :)