White House leaves door open for future pardon.
By on Jul 3rd, 2007 at 12:20 pm
White House leaves door open for future pardon.
“The White House on Tuesday declined to rule out the possibility of an eventual pardon for former vice presidential aide I. Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby. But spokesman Tony Snow said, for now, President Bush is satisfied with his decision to commute Libby’s 2 1/2-year prison sentence. … ‘The reason I’m not going to say I’m not going to close a door on a pardon,’ Snow said, ‘Scooter Libby may petition for one.’”
UPDATE: Bush commented on a future pardon, saying, “As to the future, I rule nothing in and nothing out.” Watch it:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/bushlibbyspeaks.320.240.flv]
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Like father, like son.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:22 pmThis just allows Scoot to plead the 5th until GB43 is out of office.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 pmMaybe Pres. Bush will fully pardon Libby closer to the 2008 election, guaranteeing that a Republican will NOT be voted into office!
Anyone BUT an anti-rule-of-law Republican in 2008!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 pmALERT***TONIGHT ON OLBERMANN-SPECIAL COMMENT ASKING FOR BUSH AND CHENEY TO RESIGN!!!!!!***
(ooooh this is gonna be goooood…)
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:25 pmOh please, there's NO suspense here. An eventual pardon for Scooter is an absolute slam dunk.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:25 pmYes Bush will fully pardon Libby in January 2009, just before Dubya leaves office, unless Bush is impeached by Congress. An impeached president cannot pardon anybody.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:26 pmFULL PARDON BRING IT ON!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:26 pmThis is no surprise. He will wait until after the '08 election and then give the pardon to the whole damn administration.
Just like daddy for the Iran-Contra traitors that sold weapons to our 'enemies'.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:26 pmcall 202) 456 - 2861 which is the office of the administration and tell them you want to leave a comment for the president, otherwise you will get a busy signal on the normal line, call early and often
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:26 pmOf course Bush will pardon Libby.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:27 pmALERT***TONIGHT ON OLBERMANN-SPECIAL COMMENT ASKING FOR BUSH AND CHENEY TO RESIGN!!!!!!*** - - Uh huh, that's about as pointless as pillows in a coffin.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:27 pm** BUSH is a COWARD ** He's afraid Scooter will squeal like a pig and expose Bush's own illegal activities. Hahahahaha!! The leader of the Republican party is a demonstrable COWARD.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:28 pmLYING WILL GIVE YOU CANCER.... RIGHT SNOWJOB?
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 pmSo much for any ongoing investigation regarding the underlying crime of outing a CIA agent and WMD covert operation.
The message to any one involved in the leak is: you won't do any time and you'll get a full pardon as long as you remain a Loyal Bushie.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:31 pmGood. No different than any past president "controversially" exercising his power and authority.
Continue drawing this out, Libetrolls. I dare you.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:32 pmFormer Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage is the person that leaked Valerie Plames CIA affiliation, not Libby....Libby did NOTHING wrong.
He should be pardoned.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:32 pmGood.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 pmALERT***TONIGHT ON OLBERMANN-SPECIAL COMMENT ASKING FOR BUSH AND CHENEY TO RESIGN!!!!!!*** - - Uh huh, that’s about as pointless as pillows in a coffin.
Comment by Badmoodman — July 3, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Hardly. It keeps up the focus on this disastrous administration. We have a year and a half to go before they're gone, and this is just one thing helping to turn up the heat. If it only convinces one of the 28%'ers to 'see the light', then I'm all for it.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 pmUh huh, that’s about as pointless as pillows in a coffin.
Comment by Badmoodman
uh, ALMOST AS POINTLESS AS YOUR IDIODIC POSTS? Don't you have some conservapedia updated you need to submit to the moderator so he can determine if your post is "christian enough"?
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 pmFan, not cool. Too low.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:34 pmPardon Libby and then give him the Medal of Freedom.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:34 pm** Libby LIED to the prosecutor. He should go to jail for obstruction of justice. **
Any questions??
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 pmOnce again, Bush sneers at the law and flips his middle finger at the American people.
When will we decide we've had enough?
http://www.impeachbush.org
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/18CLIN.html?pagewanted=all&ei=5070&en=66ba82eaf117b24b&ex=1183521600
lol!!! Oh, how I love the power of the presidency. AND the Supreme Court!! Hell, you keep Congress - conservatives have all we need to keep the left from ruining this country.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:36 pmLeaving the door open?? Are you kidding???? The door is open and the engine is running in the getaway car.
Just another crooked day in the Bush Cabal.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:37 pm"White House leaves door open"
-Well the back door is usually open at the Whitehouse
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:39 pmComment by Fox News Viewers are Stupid. — July 3, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Clinton did the same and attempted to get others to lie for him also.
Any more questions?
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:39 pmto all liberals - does this hurt? I hope it does. AND there is NOTHING you can do about it. George W. Bush is still President and you're not.
Time to slam Hillary for being such a blatant and disgusting hypocrite.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:40 pmTake a look freaks!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:40 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
Oh boy, Olbermann will speak! A minor MOONBAT will be flinging his feces from the TV screen and the "progressives" will be banging on their keyboards like a chimpanzee. An infinite number of MOONBATS pounding on an infinite number number of keyboards and all they come up with is IMPEACH!
Hasn't been this much fun since...well never.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:42 pmTake a another look freaks!
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/18CLIN.html?pagewanted=all&ei=5070&en=66ba82eaf117b24b&ex=1183521600
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:42 pmPardoning a Traitor in a time of WAR, shameful, and in itself traitorous.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:43 pmBoom! Boom! Boom! Boom!
Boom! Boom! Boom!
Heads imploding at TP!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 pmBush should grant a full pardon to Libby. He did absolutley nothing wrong. What Libby did was political, not criminal.
Bill Clinton, however, trashed the constitution and lied under oath, obstructed justice and was impeached for it.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 pmI always wondered how he got his nick name "scooter" I thought it was because he was/is an idiot, scootering his way to a full pardon. Must be nice, if it were you and me, I'd have my soap on a rope handy!
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The official list of cosponsors of H Res 333 to impeach Dick Cheney cannot be updated until July 10 when Congress gets back to Washington. But Congress Members can contact Dennis Kucinich's office in the meantime and sign on. And citizens can encourage them to do so. In fact, this is the week in which you should visit your Congress Member's district office and demand that he or she sign onto Kucinich's articles of impeachment or introduce their own. And they should not just sign on, but make a public statement in support. Here's everything
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 pmI don't get why the trolls are still so hateful and worried. :)
I thought they'd be dancing in the streets, not hanging around here with their "Clinton did it too" mantra.
Why so sad, trollies? :D
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 pmImpeach!
Impeach!
Impeach!
Impeach!
Impeach! hehe
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 pm#34
Bush should grant a full pardon to Libby. He did absolutley nothing wrong. What Libby did was political, not criminal.
Bill Clinton, however, trashed the constitution and lied under oath, obstructed justice and was impeached for it.
Comment by Jessie Saxson
BINGO!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:45 pm75%+ of Americans disgusted by this act Bwaaahahahahahahaa
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:47 pmOf course Bush will eventually pardon Scooter. There really is no question that he will do this. His father did the same for those who broke the law in the Iran/Contra scandal. And Bush (41) himself was involved in that illegal activity.
And Americans will soon forget and elect another Bushie.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:47 pmBINGO!?!?!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:47 pmWHERE"S MY FRIGGIN CARD!?
President Bush I like him.
Word for the day is:
Mercy
Thanks President Bush for your doing the right thing.
Full Pardon
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:48 pmZoo,
The Trolls are running out of issues to discuss. What with trying to defend Cheney/Dubya on Scoot's Skate and Mr. Defense Contractor's Favorite Humpin' Hunter, they have their sticky little hands full!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:49 pmlooks like Flaco has a full pantload....phew
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:49 pmThe silver lining here is that Bush has doomed his party.
The most extremely partisan Republicans squeal with delight at seeing Scooter get away with breaking the law, but Independents and Democrats find it disgusting.
As if the GOP needed more image problems going into the next election, they now openly condone obstructing the justice system.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:49 pmAH, HELLO SAUSAGE SWALLOWER, UM,.. I MEAN BEEFEATER.(geez that's a hilarous handle) i hope your day is as insane and ridiculous as your posts..
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:49 pmHmm.
When Bush said that "he respeced the jury's decision, but though the sentence was excessive," he's basically saying "not going to mess with the verdict, but what the hell was the judge thinking by not paying me back for my appointment?"
Judge Reggie Walton was appointed to the bench in 2001 by George W. Bush. Apparently they had been pleased with him up until now, enough that Chief Justice Roberts appointed him to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in May.
It intrigues me.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:51 pmgood point. With the bushies its all about how the so called "left" is going to react. Apparently yestedays act didn't hit the mark.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:51 pmThe Trolls are running out of issues to discuss. What with trying to defend Cheney/Dubya on Scoot’s Skate and Mr. Defense Contractor’s Favorite Humpin’ Hunter, they have their sticky little hands full!
Comment by upside00
Poor trollies, never a day off. :)
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:52 pmPoor Flaco,
He is stuck with having Scoot and Darth and Dubya and Gonzo and Coultergeist as his heroes. Maybe he is so forlorn because his mom doesn't let him out of the basement except for the Ted Haggard Memorial Prayer Meetings.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:53 pmLying under oath was ok when it was Clinton obstructing a sexual harrassment case. He didn't even have to resign. But, Libby should go to jail because Joe Wilson is a bigmouth.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:54 pmSo lying to a grand jury and the FBI is political?
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:54 pmOh, but only in THIS instance.
When "Clinton did it!" it was trashing the Constitution.
Logic at its best!
#35 "I always wondered how he got his nick name “scooterâ€"
I think it was dragging his sorry ass across the carpet when he got rectal itch-- or after Cheney told him to take one for the team.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 pmBoom! Boom! Boom! Boom!
Boom! Boom! Boom!
Heads imploding at TP!
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Are you 12?
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 pmTo all Trolls...
Enjoy your 4th of July, knowing that the dry drunk you worship is a hollow, uncaring, selfish sociopath whose need for power is derived by a Father who never had enough time to spend with his Son.
Dad & Mom went golfing the day the buried W's little sister. They may have buried him that day, too.
You can blow all the smoke you want here, rejoicing in this travesty of justice called Bush the Turd. It doesn't matter. If the God you call in whenever you need a conscience exists, trust that even God has no time for sociopaths & warmongers.
America celebrates 231 years of leading the world with an idea of freedom for all. That dream still lives in the hearts & minds of men & women worldwide.
Yesterday, your President pissed on our flag. When the privileged become exempt from the rule of law, we are all the losers.
Think about this tomorrow when you're celebrating Party over Country. Think about it when you see Old Glory waving at you from on high.
You see, our Flag & Country were never intended to take sides of Party over Patriotism. If you do, you destroy in an instant 231 years of maintaining & supporting the greatest idea this planet ever witnessed.
I'm an American first. I will not let Party supersede my Patriotism.
My Grandfather, My Dad, myself & my Son all served our Country proudly with dignity & honor. We never asked for anything back and never will.
But. We do ask that all Americans remember that Politics & Patriotism will never equate to Person & Patriotism.
Happy Birthday, America!
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 pmMay you stay forever free and rise above the noise we call politics.
"The silver lining here is that Bush has doomed his party."
The Democrat congress only has a 14% approval rating. It is going to flip back to the GOP next year.
Commuting the sentence of Libby and hopefully pardoning him is the best thing Bush has done all year.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:57 pmWe all knew this was going to happen. You regulars said it as soon as the sentence was handed down.
What you trolls haven't figured out yet, is that this has totally nailed the coffin shut on this fiasco of a regime...oh, I meant administration.
Do you REALLY think this will do any good for what's left of your sad, pathetic little wanna-be king party?
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:58 pmGood luck with that, Jessie.
July 3rd, 2007 at 12:58 pmAll polls say otherwise, but you keep on believing that.
The Reps have a lot of work to do to get back in power.
Comment by Zimzone — July 3, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Excellent post, Zim. I applaud you.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:00 pm"The Reps have a lot of work to do to get back in power."
Mary Landruie is going to lose her senate seat. That is going to flip the senate back.
The Democrat congress only has a 14% approval rating. What are they going to campaign on? That they got SO MUCH done? hehe
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:00 pm#54
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:01 pmDass a good one!
(I've heard he has had to take several for the team)
"Proud Dem"
All you do is spout Democrat talking points. You have no original thoughts. You are like a zombie repeating things Hillary Clinton told you to say. It's pathetic.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 pmComment by Zimzone — July 3, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Wow. I hope you do not mind if I pass this post along. Definitely the post of the day.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 pmFunny, so did Libby, Flaco and Jessie.
I have a few points for you:
1) A jury of Scooters peers found him guilty of obstructing justice (which the senate didn't for Clinton, at least, not to the level of High Crimes and Misdemeanors as required by the Constitution). A GOP appointed judge decided to sentence him to the strongest sentence according to the timeline. Bush argued that the sentence was too 'excessive', then communted his sentence to 0 time, which is not an option for any judge to assign. (I guarantee you if I obstructed justice, Dubya woudn't commute _my_ sentence to Fine and Probation, let alone pardon me)
2) Just because Clinton did it doesn't justify Bush doing it. 'Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right'.
So much for the Republicans being the Law and Order party. "But Libby didn't lie about anything _important_." "Plame wasn't undercover!" For someone who rails so hard against what the Democrats were accused of, you're pretty damn hypocritical about the Republicans doing it. Heh.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 pmGood Morning Poster's....I have been away for a few day's and will leave again after this post...This is not a critical thought against any of you but once again I must remind you all you are waisting a precious commodity, your time, spending it here debating and knocking back a pitiful few loyal black hearted troll's is a terrible waste..
Join me and million's of other's all over the country working to demand the impeachment or if they refuse, to get a judge and grand jury started up to indict all this administration...Counties and states all over our nation are working on these very thing's....
Before these insane people pick up the red phone and bomb the shit out of another nation or use their will to kill any more citizen's here we must keep our eye on the ball.....Remove the evil source...Demand justice for all our lives lost...Never mind this Libby bull shit, it is just another diversion, we know they are all guilty, we know bull shit will pardon...They are all guilty. Now get on with the good work at hand and that is get them the hell out of this evil mess and get some good law abiding people in..Blessings
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 pm"The Democrat congress only has a 14% approval rating"
Why?
Beacause they will not rid of us of BushCo. Hardly a victory for the right, unless you are completely fu*king stupid.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 pmWhen “Clinton did it!†it was trashing the Constitution.
Comment by Wilco — July 3, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
The conservative mind is filled with a type of those huge room dividers, so that they can perpetually segregate the levity of their crimes from the seriousness of liberals' 'crimes'.
Only way they can sleep at night...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:02 pm#57 “The silver lining here is that Bush has doomed his party.â€
The Democrat congress only has a 14% approval rating. It is going to flip back to the GOP next year.
Commuting the sentence of Libby and hopefully pardoning him is the best thing Bush has done all year.
Comment by Jessie Saxson
Hey Jessie, you are partially right here, as the BushCo Krew has NEVER been part of the Repug Party.... they are members of their own NeoCon Corporatist Party. ALll about "Me First-F@ck U".
And all of us, (including you and the US Constitution) have been Collateral Damage.
And BTW, so far, Cheney has not pardoned Scoot, just commuted the sentence. The pardon will come as Darth is boarding his plane for Dubai and Dubya is headed off to live with mom and dad in the basement of their Paraguay homestead.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:03 pmSo Jessie, you think people who are 70% against the war and see the war as their major voting issue will vote in favor of those who are all for the war?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:03 pmAgain, amazingly sound logic.
The fact is, people are always low in approving Congress (especially THIS one), but love their particular congressmen. It's why there's an incumbency percentile in the 90's.
Find me a poll stating those people want to switch parties controlling congress these 6 mons after taking over and we'll have something to discuss.
Bush commuted instead of an outright pardon this time so he, Tony Snow, et al could say that the case is still ongoing.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:03 pm"Libby did NOTHING wrong."
Perjury.
Obstruction of justice.
Making false statements.
He lied under oath. It's cut and dry.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:04 pmThe Bushies are holding out hope that Libby's felony convictions will be overturned by the Appellate Court.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:04 pmIf they aren't, then Bush will pardon Libby.
Jules, Proud Dem,
What's mine is yours.
Thank you for your kind words.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:04 pm"Just because Clinton did it doesn’t justify Bush doing it. "
Bill Clinton lied under oath. George W. Bush did not.
All I ask is that Scooter get the same punishment that Bill Clinton got when he lied under oath, and the same punishment that Sammy Berger got when he lied under oath. And that is what happened. Bush did the right thing.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
The same poll also showed the majority would still vote democrat. But a very nice try.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:05 pmCommuting the sentence of Libby and hopefully pardoning him is the best thing Bush has done all year.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
I'm sure he'll still think it was that fictitious perch...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:05 pmPerjury.
Obstruction of justice.
Making false statements.
He lied under oath. It’s cut and dry.
----------
So did Bill Clinton.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:06 pm#34
"Bush should grant a full pardon to Libby. He did absolutley nothing wrong. What Libby did was political, not criminal.
Bill Clinton, however, trashed the constitution and lied under oath, obstructed justice and was impeached for it."
You can't seriously be this stupid. Libby lied under oath, obstructed justice and made false statements. Nothing political about that.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:07 pmMary Landruie is going to lose her senate seat. That is going to flip the senate back.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
That's short sighted... There are 10 Dem and 14 Repug Senators up for election. Repugs have more seats to lose...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:07 pm"The fact is, people are always low in approving Congress (especially THIS one), "
This Dem congress has the lowest approval rating in 25 years. They aren't going to hold their majority in '08.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:08 pmComment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Again, go back and read the poll, not just the points Faux Noise tells you.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pm"There are 10 Dem and 14 Repug Senators up for election. "
The 9 Demonrats are going to be reelected and so are the 14 GOP senators. Mary Landrue will lose her seat, switching the majority to the GOP in 08.
Dems only have a 14% approval rating. It's not like they have much to run on.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pm#78 Jessie,
Clinton was impeached for his actions, Scoot was tried and found guilty. Only reason he was pardoned was to protect Cheney Gonzo and Dubya from him singing after a few weeks in jail loosened his tongue.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pmWhitey: uh, ALMOST AS POINTLESS AS YOUR IDIODIC POSTS? - - Speaking of IDIODIC...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:09 pm"So did Bill Clinton."
That's neither here nor there. We're talking about Libby. He LIED UNDER OATH, OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE, and MADE FALSE STATEMENTS.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:10 pmJessie, show me the sentences they got for those crimes and we'll talk. You can't, though, because they were not found guilty of those crimes. Berger was tried and convicted of a misdemeanor, though. I know the right thinks that should mean a couple years of prison, but again, it was a misdemeanor.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:10 pmClinton was found guilty of nothing.
Yes, he clearly lied under oath. He indeed perjured himself. No excuse.
Charges could have been brought once out of office but they weren't. And that was under a conservative DOJ. So blame the Bush admin for that.
"Libby lied under oath, obstructed justice and made false statements. "
Libby misremembered. He committed no crime. Bill Clinton did lie under oath, obstruct justice and give false statements. You are dumber than Ted Kennedy.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:11 pm"Yes, Bill Clinton clearly lied under oath. He indeed perjured himself. No excuse."
I agree.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:13 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm
Clinton pardons read em and weep.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:13 pmJustice?
Clinton pardons read em and weep.
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:14 pmThe 9 Demonrats are going to be reelected and so are the 14 GOP senators. Mary Landrue will lose her seat, switching the majority to the GOP in 08.
You need a new crystal ball, Miss Cleo. That one is broken.
Your basing your determinition of outcomes on your hopes, while ignoring overwhelming facts against you.
Join reality - it hurts less.
Dems only have a 14% approval rating. It’s not like they have much to run on.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
It's a two-party Congress in which the Dems control the house by only 14 seats, and the Senate by just one very tenuous Independent vote.
It's bipartisan disapproval...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:14 pmBill Clinton pardoned FALN terrorists who killed people. He pardoned Marc Rich after he donated to Clinton's library. Clinton made a mokery of the pardon process and put it up for sale to the highest bidder. It's shameful.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmComment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
He was tried by a jury of his peers who did not believe this to be the case.
As*hat!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmThe Democrat congress only has a 14% approval rating. What are they going to campaign on? That they got SO MUCH done? hehe
Comment by Jessie Saxson —
14%??? Fox News puts them at 32%, and they're the most Fair and Balanced news source in America.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmJessie, whatever you personally believe to be the facts of the case, Scooter was found guilty of intentionally lying. If you believe that to be wrong, that a jury found him guilty of having a bad memory, fine. But per the Rule of Law, he in fact DID commit a crime.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmSeveral, even.
Scooter was found guilty
Clinton wasn't.
Maybe it is a miscarriage of justice, but Scooter was still found guilty of intentionally lying and obstructing justice. He was tried and convicted by a group of his peers.
Jessie,
You sure are in a bad mood today. Is the bra pinching?
Maybe you feel the same way the rest of the country feels when cheney and dubya just gave us all the one-fingered salute.
But things will get better in 09, with adult leadership back in place. I promise!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmClinton, like Flaco, is irrelevant to Bush's actions of injustice.
If Clinton is all they have, 6.5 years later, it doesn't reflect well on their leader...
Where's Osama guys?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:17 pm"It’s bipartisan disapproval…"
There is nothing bipartisan in Washington.
The Dem congress has a 14% approval rating, which is lower than it was for the GOP going into the 2006 elections.
Congress is going to flip back to GOP control. Join reality, it hurts less.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:17 pmClinton got Osama right?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:18 pm"But things will get better in 09, with adult leadership back in place."
Which Democrat do you think is going to win the White House? I can't wait for this answer!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:18 pmIMPEACH NOW!!!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 pmLet's go ahead and kill a talking point.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 pmDoes anyone here think Clinton pardoned all the right people? Was he completely justified (not just Constitutionally, but morally) in pardoning fugitive Marc Rich?
"Scooter Libby may petition for one.â€
he most certainly will... and he'll get it, too... he knows too much about this White House...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:21 pmBush got Osama, right?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:22 pmAny one that gets nominated. After the last one you people put in office, the republic party is in shambles and more will be indicted before the end of the year. So it won't matter who runs against the republic survivor.
Reality bites, doesn't it?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:22 pmThere is nothing bipartisan in Washington.
You deny that two parties occupy both the Senate and the House? Forget the crystal ball, you need a crash course on Political Science.
The Dem congress has a 14% approval rating, which is lower than it was for the GOP going into the 2006 elections.
The Congress is nearly equal in who occupies those seats. The blame is therefore equally distributed.
Math's not your fortay either, I see...
Congress is going to flip back to GOP control.
When it doesn't, will you be here to apologize?
Didn't think so...
Join reality, it hurts less.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
Clinton got Osama right?
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
The Republican controlled Congresss wouldn't fund him doing that.
What's Bush's excuse with 6 years of a Repug trifeca?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 pmThis whole "Clinton did it" excuse is ironic due to the fact that Bush ran on a platform which basically said that he was the Anti-Clinton. He wouldn't do those terrible things that Clinton did. Well guess what, he did.
Interesting.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 pm"Does anyone here think Clinton pardoned all the right people? Was he completely justified (not just Constitutionally, but morally) in pardoning fugitive Marc Rich?"
Good point again.
If the libs here would just agree that Clinton did a bad thing they would have a leg to stand on. But they try to justify his pardons, but go after Bush. They are so phony.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:24 pmPoor Zooey , Never a Day in Reality
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:24 pmwas that not a pantload of Pardons by Billy boy ?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm"The Congress is nearly equal in who occupies those seats. The blame is therefore equally distributed."
The blame goes to the Democrat majority, you dimwitted jackass.
You guys wanted power, now deal with it. The Dems have failed and their approval is only 14%.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm"Libby misremembered. He committed no crime."
Weak. Libby lied under oath, obstructed justice and made false statements. Those are crimes and Libby is a felon. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but that is the reality.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:26 pmJessie, I seem to remember the "liberal media" going crazy over the Marc Rich pardon.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:28 pmIt was all over the news. I don't remember anyone clamoring for his pardon, or anyone approving it.
That's my point. The Right is accusing Dems of something that they never did.
I'm asking all Dems/liberals to prove me wrong, that it was just fine for Clinton to pardon Rich. I don't believe there are any here.
The Trolls are running out of Rover Talking Points, they just keep repeating the same ones over and over. And it isn't even the end of the day.
Let's hear something new, OK?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:28 pm"Any one that gets nominated."
And which Democrat is that going to be?
Fred Thompson or Rudy is going to beat any of the Dems.
But which one do you think is going to be the Democrat nominee?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:28 pmThe blame goes to the Democrat majority, you dimwitted jackass.
Why? Because you say so?
Ah, name calling... The proof that you have reached the height of your intelligence and can no longer argue on merits.
Don't they make any triple digit IQ trolls anymore?
You guys wanted power, now deal with it. The Dems have failed and their approval is only 14%.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:25 pm
They don't have a veto-proof majority, therefore Bush just vetos their legislation. Not their failures...
However, they would gain enormous approval if they would begin Impeachment proceedings against Bush and Dick-tator Cheney.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:30 pmThe Dem congress has a 14% approval rating, which is lower than it was for the GOP going into the 2006 elections.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
I see Jessie has either adopted a new screen name or has signed on to the old right-wing troll talking points.
The 14% approval rating for the "Dem congress" is a lie.
The 14% number came from a Gallup poll. That is the number of respondents who said they had "a great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in Congress. The same poling organization the same week reported a 24% approval rating for the Congress as a whole -- NOT the "Dem congress".
The reasons for the low approval rating for Congress are open for debate, but the number reported by Gallup IS NOT.
As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said,"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts".
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:30 pm"Weak. Libby lied under oath, obstructed justice and made false statements. "
No, he misremembered. He confused Tim Russert with Bob Woodward, which is an honest mistake. He didn't intentially lie. The jury got this one wrong, and I hope Bush pardons Libby. Almost every witness in this case misremembered some crucial facts. Sorry Ann. Is it Coulter?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:31 pmMy Point is Clean up your own back yard before complaining about mine
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:31 pmHappy Birthday, America!
May you stay forever free and rise above the noise we call politics.
Comment by Zimzone — July 3, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Well done, Zimzone!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:31 pmFred Thompson or Rudy is going to beat any of the Dems.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
An actor or a drag queen are your best hopes... ah ha ha ha! ah ha ha ha!
You'll be lucky if it isn't a landslide if you run any of those bozos...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 pmbut that would not be Hypocritical , would it ?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 pmMaybe it's me, but I get the impression he knows he fu(ked this up. He didn't seem his normal confident cocky self and he hem hawed more than normal.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 pmYesterday the United States Government demonstrated how the ideologically challenged protect their own.
The man who pretends to be a leader for the people and is tough on crime, George W. Bush, yesterday commuted the prison sentence of his long time pal and Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, convicted felon I. Scooter Libby.
Mr. Bush has shown that the rule of law pertains only to those that do not have ties to him, or the Republican Party.
After being convicted on perjury charges and losing an appeal to delay entry to prison while appealing his conviction, George W. Bush, the decider, decided to free Libby from the undue hardship prison may cause him.
I suggest at this time that impeachment proceeding begin both for the President and Vice President.
With 72% of Americans distraught over how this current administration has behaved; the rule of law completely disregarded, the act first pre-emptive strike on a sovereign nation, the lies, illegal wiretapping, outing of a covert CIA agent, voter caging, raping our treasury, installing unqualified supporters into powerful positions, disregarding global warming, ignoring price gouging on gas, taking an unscientific approach to stem cell research, ignoring the needs of Katrina victims, encouraging inter-country roadway from Canada to Mexico, lack of employee protections Enron, corruption, Karl Rove, outlawing online gaming transactions, allowing drilling in National Parks, deforestation, the distrust we have earned from other nations as a world leader, these are only a few of things done wrong. The list goes on and on, it is now time to put an end to this reckless misuse of his authority.
We Americans installed a democratic congress to correct these issues. It is our feeling that you must put all other business aside and make a fully thorough effort to remove these two tyrannical rulers, as well as Alberto Gonzales, from their jobs and restore the dignity we have all come to cherish.
If the United States continues on its present course, we, as a country are doomed. It will not be very long before the rest of the world considers us a threat and decides to take action.
Our freedom and our liberty are at stake, and the current congress has the responsibility, the duty, under the Constitution to remedy this situation.
Time for rhetoric has passed; it is now time for action. If this congress is not willing to take on the important issues concerning all Americans, we will most assuredly, remove those of you from office when you are up for re-election.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 pm"He didn’t intentially lie."
Of course he did.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:32 pm"The reasons for the low approval rating for Congress are open for debate"
It's not open to debate at all. They suck. That is the reason this Dem congress approval is the lowest in 25 years. They haven't passed anything. What do you expect. You just can't accept pay, which the Dems increased again, and not do any work.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:33 pmLet's talk about Bush's 26% approval rating, soon to be single digits if he keeps ignoring the will of the people...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:33 pmThe boy Bush looks like he's ready for a drink... an alcoholic drink, that is.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:34 pmAnn Coulter, no he did not. He misremembered. Something you have done, but were never charged with.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:34 pmI'll agree the blame goes to the Dems, mostly. But the responsibility goes to both parties.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:35 pmIt's the Dems' house. They take the blame.
But I still prefer them to the Reps.
"Let’s talk about Bush’s 26% approval rating, soon to be single digits if he keeps ignoring the will of the people…"
Bush is not up for reelection. The Democrat congress, with only a 14% approval rating, is.
Fred or Rudy is going to defeat Hillary. 52% of Americans wouldn't vote for her under any circumstances.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:35 pmAh, I see Franklin Delano Romanowski is here again, subtracting from the sum total of intelligent discourse with every post.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:37 pmHe misremembered. Something you have done, but were never charged with.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
A jury did not believe that lie and neither do the majority of Americans.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:38 pm"But I still prefer them to the Reps."
I prefer some Dems to the Repubs. I prefer Jim Webb over Arlin Specter. I prefer Jon Tester over Olmpia Snowe.
But I still think the senate is going to flip back to the GOP. There is a really good candidate to run against Mary Landrue, and I think she is going to lose that seat. All else remaining the same, the senate will flip back. Which if Hillary wins, it wouldn't be that bad of a thing to have divided government.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:38 pmWhy do people always laugh at me?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:39 pm“The reasons for the low approval rating for Congress are open for debateâ€
It’s not open to debate at all. They suck.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
And Jessie Saxon amply demonstrates the rewards of intelligent discussion conducted with trolls in the room.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:39 pmThey haven’t passed anything. What do you expect.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
How do you not comprehend that they can't pass it if their majority is too small to over-ride the fact that Bush will veto everything just because he's a spoiled brat who spends his days at ball games and spelling bees instead of running the country. Sheesh!
Bush only has a 12% favorable rating:
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
"Now I'm going to read you the names of several public figures and organizations, and I'd like you to rate your feelings toward each one as either very positive, somewhat positive, neutral, somewhat negative, or very negative. If you don't know the name, please just say so. George W. Bush."
6/8-11/07: 12 20 11 15 42 -
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:40 pmBut as an addendum to post # 135, Fred or Rudy will be the next president of the United States.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:40 pmJessie, divided government isn't a good thing unless both parties work together toward a shared goal. That's not happening. That's why so little has made its way to the President's desk.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:40 pm"divided government isn’t a good thing unless both parties work together toward a shared goal."
What are the chances of that happening? Look at us in here. We hate each other.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:42 pmdivided government isn’t a good thing unless both parties work together toward a shared goal.
Comment by Wilco — July 3, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
Wilco, I'd like to suggest that divided government CAN be a good thing if the alternative is one-party rule by a party that has shown blatant disregard for the Rule of Law and for the Common Good, as the Republickers showed over the past six years.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:43 pmJessie, I agree. Politics is too polarized now. Neither party is too interested in truly crossing party lines or meeting anywhere in between.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:44 pmSo the people pay the price.
Bush is not up for reelection. The Democrat congress, with only a 14% approval rating, is.
Bush is 100% the President.
Congress is only 51% Democratic.
Do you get it yet? Or you gonna call me some more names? LOL
Fred or Rudy is going to defeat Hillary. 52% of Americans wouldn’t vote for her under any circumstances.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
Hillary Clinton won't be the Dem nominee.
I live in a very red, and redneck, racist part of the country, and the conservatives I know would vote for Obama before any of the Repugs running.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:44 pmI just floated the "misremembered" statement around the office. People are astonished that someone actually said that.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:45 pmAnd I don't hate anyone here.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:45 pmI strongly dislike jason baddo, though. I'll admit to that.
Look at us in here. We hate each other.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Don't use your own hatred and mean-spiritedness to indict this whole community. just because you're incapable of paying attention to facts, or of taking other opionions seriously doesn't mean that the rest of us are similarly incapable.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:45 pmJessie lied:
http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
CONGRESS – Job Rating
CBS
6/26-28/07 27 60 13
That's higher than Bush!
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:46 pmAnd I'm infatuated with unbelievable.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:47 pmActually, Jessie, I don't justify Clinton's pardons except to say they're in the past. Let me give you a clue here, since you obviously missed my last post on this matter.
Back in 2000, when Clinton was pardoning people, I was a 27 year old Computer Tech who had dreams of moving to Denver. Around that time, I was too busy getting ready to visit my Aunt Patt in Denver to care about what Clinton was doing in office. Yes, I was happy with how Clinton was running things, mainly because I was happy with life. Back then? I was a pretty apolitical social liberal and fiscal moderate. In other words, I was part of the problem, that problem being complacent voters. I admit, I didn't even vote in 2000.
Now I realize that was a problem. 2001, we were hit by alQueda, and I was part of the large group that rallied behind Bush. When he threatened Afghanistan to give him up, I supported him. When they refused and he showed them what it means to refuse a demand to extradite a mass murderer, I was behind him. In early 2002, if I had a chance to vote in a Presidential Election, I would have voted Bush. Then he started drumming for Iraq...
We all know how that turned out. Jessie/CT/Mr. P/Jake/etc? I'm not a Democrat. I've voted Republican, Democrat, Green, and Libertarian. I used to trust Republicans in places of fiscal responsibility. My favorite Governer of all time was Louisiana Governor Buddy Roemer, a Moderate democrat turned Moderate Republican. My political philosophy remains the same -- maximum respect for personal freedoms, with a careful attention to balancing my freedoms versus other's freedoms. This extends to businesses as well -- Let the market decide, but government steps in when a business starts taking away others rights and liberties, including other businesses. But now, It'll be a VERY long time before I ever vote Republican again, and it's all thanks to Bush and his cronies.
Congratulations, you've angered an Independent.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:48 pm"I know would vote for Obama before any of the Repugs running."
I actually like Obama and hope he is the Democrat nominee.
Let him face Rudy or Fred and may the best man win.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmJesse and Frank, you guys are truly in your own little world. Keep it up. I don't want your world to come crashing down around you. The mental institutions are pretty full, we don't need you having a nervous break down.
Yes, we know little soldiers, Clinton did it too, and Libby just misremembered, uh huh, now eat your applesauce, pay no mind to the crushed up meds in there.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmBy the way, it's spelled Mary LANDRIEU
I'm guessing this is YOUR Senator and you can't even spell her name correctly once?
No way Louisiana will votes for a Repug.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:49 pmPeople are angry with Congress because they didn't do what we elected them to do. It doesn't mean people are ready to vote Repukes back in. Get a grip.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:51 pmLook at us in here. We hate each other.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
I don't hate anyone.
Hate is a choice. One that will eat you inside out.
It's what you conservatives choose...
I just see you as ignorant. Pity comes with that, not hate...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:51 pm"No way Louisiana will votes for a Repug."
Bobby Jindall is expected to be elected governor this year. A good Republican.
Why not say Repub, rather than Repug?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:52 pmjessie, why not say Democratic, rather than Democrat?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:53 pmLet's be fair.
If you get your rhetoric, we get ours.
Yeah the USA really needs another Republican Hollywood type, gimme another break.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:53 pm"But now, It’ll be a VERY long time before I ever vote Republican again"
You will come to your senses. When you get ready to go in the voting booth and Hillary is on that ballot, you will come home and vote for the GOP.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:53 pmSo now Jesse all of the sudden wants to play nice, and get all emotional.
Piss off Jesse.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:54 pmI will say Democratic if unbelivable says Repub. You've got my word on that.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:55 pmBush 2000 Flashback:
"So when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not only uphold the laws of our land, I will swear to uphold the honor and dignity of the office to which I have been elected, so help me God."
"In my administration, we will ask not only what is legal but what is right. Not just what the lawyers allow, but what the public deserves."
For the history, see:
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:55 pm"Neither Right Nor Legal: Libby and the Bush 2000 Standard."
I live in a very red, and redneck, racist part of the country, and the conservatives I know would vote for Obama before any of the Repugs running.
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You are free to move oh enlightened one. Amsterdam maybe?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:56 pmAnd I’m infatuated with unbelievable.
Comment by Wilco — July 3, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
Alright Flaco, stop immitating other people. You'll get banned for that...
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:57 pmJesse be the bigger more mature person and take the step first.
I'll even say "Repub" see, I'm still the same person. Phew, that was easy.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:57 pmJesse's got a semi for Unbelievable.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:58 pmPlease do not hijack this thread oh enlightened atheist full of goodness & kindness.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 pm"So now Jesse all of the sudden wants to play nice, and get all emotional."
Obama's not a bad guy. I'd like to see him as the Democrat(ic) (how's that Wilco?) nominee. Give the voters a real choice.
What? You've never said a nice thing about a Republican?
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 pm#34 -Jessie Saxson..[" Bush Should grant a full pardon to Libby. He did absolutely nothing wrong. What Libby did was political not criminal"].
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July 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 pmJust like Nixon.!
You assume here that political actions are immuned to criminality.
You are a dreamer if you think that crimes are not embedded in political actions and decisions.
Political crimes also not limited to USA..but also to all nations present and past.
Politicians do commit crimes. You also used the word 'ABSOLUTELY' with certainity...
Tell us something about what you described as 'absolute innocence' of Libby.
Congratulations, you’ve angered an Independent.
Comment by Jeremy — July 3, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Nice post.
My story is semi-similar, and the best thing Bush ever did was make me want to give up everything he represents. I'm much happier now. And I will be even happier when I can vote against Saxby Chambliss next year. :D
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:59 pmI don't think I like the civil discourse. I prefer the name calling because some people get creative. As insulting as it is, "Surrender Monkey" is still funny. You take anything and put it in front of "Monkey" and it's funny.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:00 pmYou are free to move oh enlightened one. Amsterdam maybe?
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
It's a thought.
Please do not hijack this thread oh enlightened atheist full of goodness & kindness.
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
You're the one bringing up religion Flaco... Not me.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:02 pm"He misremembered."
He LIED. He was also found GUILTY of lying. Nobody buys this "misremembered" crap anymore than we bought into the "can't recall" shit from Reagan and Bush I.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:02 pmFULL PARDON 4 LIBBY!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:02 pmJesse’s got a semi for Unbelievable.
Comment by ForTruth — July 3, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Nah, just Flaco. He has a mother-figure-complex (or whatever it's called when men need the opposite of a father-figure :)
Oh, might wanna mention here that I'm a woman... :D
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:03 pmI can accept the commutation. I'll be upset if there is a full pardon, which I do suspect is just down the line, probably in the last few days Bush is in office.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:04 pmOh, might wanna mention here that I’m a woman… :D
Comment by unbelievable — July 3, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
That's highly questionable.
You also claim to be a teacher.
A claim, I might add, that has been fully debunked.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:05 pmThe approval rating for Congress is low because they haven't stopped the war and they haven't impeached Bush or Cheney. It's that simple.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:05 pm"Oh, might wanna mention here that I’m a woman… :D"
So the surgery was a success, Paul?
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:05 pmYou take anything and put it in front of “Monkey†and it’s funny.
Comment by Wilco — July 3, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
Jason Hendler monkey
Mr. President monkey
Queen of Trolls monkey
Flaco monkey
You're right - hilarious! :D
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:06 pmYou are free to move oh enlightened one. Amsterdam maybe?
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
It’s a thought.
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July 3rd, 2007 at 2:07 pmYou said you are so much happier, just think of the Nirvana you could have living in Amsterdam.
Go for your destiny/dreams girl!!!
So the surgery was a success, Paul?
Comment by Wilco — July 3, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
LOL... Do you know that it's much easier to cut one off than to sew one on in the first place?
Sorry...
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:07 pmUnbelievable, Louisiana is actually a very strongly conservative state, at least in social issues. Racism is the platform they usually run on, with the attached keywords of 'Tough on Crime'. That appeals to alot of people, so yes, Louisiana could vote in a Republican Senator.
New Orleans is strongly Democratic, yes. However, New Orleans voters are scattered all over the place, making it much easier to challenge New Orleans votes. The rest of the state? Baton Rouge is STRONGLY Republican. Don't even get me started on Rural Louisiana.
"No way Louisiana will votes for a Repug?"
First, I can't read that sentence without wincing. You have 'will', which is the helping verb that would conjugate if it could (and it can't). You never conjugate the main verb if there is an auxiliary verb in the sentence.
Second, to address your comment directly -- No, there is a way Louisiana would vote for a Republican. Foster was Republican. So was Roemer for a time. And we came damn close to electing David Duke, a nasty Republican racist. Don't discount it yet.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmUn, I am right AND hilarious.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmHow astute of you.
You are free to move oh enlightened one. Amsterdam maybe?
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
It’s a thought.
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July 3rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmYou said you are so much happier, just think of the Nirvana you could have living in Amsterdam.
Go for your destiny/dreams girl!!!
No more rednecks, religion, red, racists. DO IT NOW GIRTL!
Comment by Flaco
Who lies about being a teacher?
People lie about being lawyers, brain surgeons, and if it might get them laid, Hollywood Modeling Agents...
But people don't lie about being part of a very disrespected profession that pays little more than poverty wages... Sheesh.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:10 pmYou said you are so much happier, just think of the Nirvana you could have living in Amsterdam.
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
You've never been there have you?
The drugs and prostitution is vastly overhyped. You can spend an entire week there and completely avoid the debauchery... I did. It's the most liberal place I have ever been. Aside from the insane bicyclists, it was also relatively safe.
I'm getting stared down by one rather angry cat... Better go serve lunch...
Back later.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:13 pmJeremy,
I'm entitled to my opinion.
What a jerk you can be... Have some insecure need to patronize other people's opinions?
Piss off.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:15 pmUn, I am right AND hilarious.
How astute of you.
Comment by Wilco — July 3, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Last post for real...
Of course :D
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:16 pmComment by unbelievable — July 3, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
-- Namejacking, I believe. Another reason for registration.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:19 pmClinton pardoned and commuted the sentences of 400 people.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:28 pm– Namejacking, I believe. Another reason for registration.
Comment by Jeremy — July 3, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:31 pmYeah, there's no way you could be that lucid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush should grant a full pardon to Libby. He did absolutley nothing wrong. What Libby did was political, not criminal.
Bill Clinton, however, trashed the constitution and lied under oath, obstructed justice and was impeached for it.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
The utter lack of logic present in the minds of some people is simply astounding. So, let me get this straight:
a) A man who is impeached over lying under oath about his sexual relations with another consenting adult, and for whom said impeachment was overturned on insufficient grounds for impeachment, was obstructing justice and trashing the Constitution?
b) A man who was convicted, under criminal proceedings, by a jury of his peers (and a conservative, Republican judge), of perjury and obstruction of justice in regards to aiding and abetting the outing of a covert CIA agent, covering up for those who ordered it, and for whom the initial appeal was also rejected on their being no basis for the convicted to not immediately start to serve jail time (by at least two conservative, Republican judges, no less), was wrongfully convicted?
Selection (a) is a matter of lying about a sexual relationship. Selection (b) is a matter of lying about an act of treason. And you think that (a) is a larger crime than (b)?!? What the hell kind of pill did you have to take to so thoroughly displace yourself from reality?
An act of sexual indiscretion is worth, at most, public scorn and ridicule. Lying under oath about it certainly deserves some sort of punishment, most likely in the form of a fine, and a permanent entry onto the public record.
An act of treason is worth, at most, being put to DEATH. Lying under oath about an act of treason to protect others who were complicit in said act of treason deserves life in prison, not 2-1/2 years (or, now, zero days in prison, no fine he will have to pay, and a pardon in a year and a half). What Libby did was both political AND criminal. Those two concepts are not mutually exclusive.
The Democrat congress only has a 14% approval rating. It is going to flip back to the GOP next year.
Commuting the sentence of Libby and hopefully pardoning him is the best thing Bush has done all year.
Comment by Jessie Saxson — July 3, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Now, try not to be so utterly disingenuous. It is not the Democrats in Congress who have a 14% approval rating. It is the Congress as a whole. Their approval rating was climbing to quite heights while they were successfully passing the bills this country wants in the House. Only after these bills began to be rejected in the Senate, and only after the Congress capitulated to the President by not voting to end the Iraq Police Action, did Congress' approval rating begin to decline.
In other words, Americans were quite happy with Congress when they were successfully voting on their various 100 day initiatives. Once the obstructionist Republicans started gumming up the gears, and once the Congress as a whole refused to follow the will of the American people and begin the process to end the debacle in Iraq, We the People began to get pissed, for such capitulation is not what the citizens of this country voted for in November of 2006. They voted for change, and the Republicans are doing everything they can to deny the will of the people.
Yet, you think that the Republicans will take back the Congress, and KEEP the Presidency come 2009? You are delusional.
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:37 pmClinton pardoned and commuted the sentences of 400 people.
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Yeah, because that information tells the whole story, doesn't it. Oh, wait, it doesn't? What, you mean Clinton only falls in the halfway mark of sheer number of presidential pardons. No...f*cking...way. I never would have known that had I not bothered to actually look it up myself.
Would you like actual lists of all of the people that each individual president pardoned and commuted? Well, except for Ronald Reagan's pardons, since there is no public record of Reagan's pardon, whatsoever. Even ABRAHAM LINCOLN'S pardons are on microfilm, along with basically every president in the U.S besides Reagan, and those for whom the records were lost to near-antiquity. Certainly no other modern President has their list of pardon's kept secret from the public.
Honestly, if the modern Republican party were any more corrupt, their extremities would fall off from gangrene.
Regardless, pulling pointless numbers out of your behind means nothing. Certainly, two wrongs do not make a right. Contrary to what your side seems to think. Sheesh!
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:01 pmI wonder if they will ever show the back of bush with the big hole in his ass; where chiay has his arm up his ass. I hope this guy rots in the very deepest and darkest part of HELL !!!!!!!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:50 pmi have never been so assamened to be an american than during this adminastration
The trolls apparently have a lot of time on their hands.
Then again, school IS out for summer.
Brand R - deader than dead.
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:12 pmHonestly, if the modern Democratic party were any more corrupt, their extremities would fall off from gangrene.
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:33 pmi have never been so assamened to be an american than during this adminastration
Comment by scott carriere
Dude you should be in summer skoool.
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:34 pmYet, you think that the Republicans will take back the Congress, and KEEP the Presidency come 2009? You are delusional.
Comment by Moderation
That's what you said in 2004 remember?
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmWhy do you think Bush would do anything different? Its a no lose for him. His base loves it and those who don't weren't going to vote for him or his party anyway.
No lose situation politically.
Sammy at Personafile
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmThat’s what you said in 2004 remember?
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Wow, you know what I said in 2004, before I ever started posting on TP? Somehow you also know that I'm a Democrat, even though I've never been registered as anything but an Independent, and have voted for Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians AND Green Party candidates, at the local, state and national level? What an astounding ability!!! I've never known anyone so able to completely misread others, as though they don't know what the other person is thinking. What skill! What grace! What a load.
Yes, I am currently disgusted beyond explanation with the Republicans. That party has been usurped by a group that does not have a conservative agenda in any way, shape or form. If Barry Goldwater were around today, I'd vote for him. The Goldwater conservatives are a dying (or possibly extinct breed) in Washington DC. Lincoln would grab a pistol, and shoot the current crop of Republicans dead for treason, treachery, and the trampling of all the the Republican party stood for for most of its existence.
I also just so happen to be disgusted by the lack of spine, and lack of will the Democrats are currently displaying. However, from a practical perspective, the Democrats are currently, by FAR, the lesser of two evils. Funny thing, that. The moment the Dixie-crats moved from the Democratic party to the Republican party, the Democratic party began to improve, and the Republican party began to diminish. Hmm. Maybe it has nothing to do with the Dems and Repubs? Perhaps it has more to do with the corrupting influence of the fundamentalists that also just so happen to be completely beholden to the mighty dollar? Perhaps THAT is the influence that needs to be eliminated from Washington?
What's that, Flaco? Speak up. It's kind of hard to hear you through the seat of your pants.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmThanks a lot Flaco.
You got this Lefty to blabber on and on about nothing.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:53 pmLibby's conviction is going to be overturned on appeal, and I'm going to jump up and down. I will make a gentleman's bet with any liberal here on this.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:24 pmModeration, Bill Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal, who many people say he had an extramarital affiar with.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 pmThanks a lot Flaco.
You got this Lefty to blabber on and on about nothing.
Comment by Mr. President
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:44 pm--------------------------------------------------
Sorry Mr. President :)
Moderation, Bill Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal, who many people say he had an extramarital affiar with.
Comment by Jessie Saxon — July 3, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
And? What, you think I condone any malfeasance Bill Clinton, or any other President may have been party to? And that's justification for a continued flouting of the laws of the land, how? Oh, that's right. It's NOT!
Two wrongs do not make a right. Even my four-year old understands that concept.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:21 pmBoom! Boom! Boom! Boom!
Boom! Boom! Boom!
Heads imploding at TP!
Comment by Flaco #33
Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom!
Boom! Boom! Boom!
...six dead conned'self-servative Bushite TRAITORS...
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmoops!
...make that 12...
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmWhy do the trollies keep throwing the Marc Rich pardon at us? As if we supported it? As if it somehow forgives Libby? When you know you're wrong, change the subject.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:59 pmI have never seen so much body language indicating lying as Bush did during his explanation of commuting Libby's sentence. The amount of excessive blinking was incredible. This was B.S. even he clearly didn't believe.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:55 pmSorry Mr. President :)
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
heh.
It's OK dude.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:07 amTake a look freaks!
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
Comment by Flaco — July 3, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
But that means...
Clinton... he did it...
tooOOOOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOooooOOOoooOOooOoOooooooooooo.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:09 am