Congressional Republican criticizes Bush’s commutation.
By on Jul 4th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Congressional Republican criticizes Bush’s commutation.
“Mr. Libby was tried by a jury of his peers and was convicted of a felony, ” Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R-FL) said in a statement. “The fact that Mr. Libby committed this crime while serving as a public official makes it all the more egregious. Excessive or not, Mr. Libby’s sentence should be respected.”
UPDATE: The Washington Times says it does not agree with Bush’s decision.
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It may well be that in 2008, no Republican seat may be considered “safe.”
July 4th, 2007 at 12:37 pmBut wait he’s a republican which in TPville means stupid, greedy and corrupt. So why is this news?
It’s the agenda stupid.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:39 pmUp to this point, I was amazed by the total silence from Republics regarding the setting aside of a judge’s sentence after a full investigation and detailed jury trial.
I guess there still are a few Republics who care about the Rule of Law. Or it may be, as BNF suggests, that the tea leaves aren’t falling favorably for the GOPers in ‘08 and some will want to use this to put distance between them and the BushCo Train Wreck. Without further evidence, I’ll give Rep. Bilirakis the benefit of the doubt and assume he has some integrity.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:43 pmThis is why the democrats should be speaking out instead of cowering. The republicans can be influenced.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:44 pmreally Bush has admitted his own guilt in his part of outing a CIA agent
July 4th, 2007 at 12:46 pmWithout further evidence, I’ll give Rep. Bilirakis the benefit of the doubt and assume he has some integrity.
Comment by spit take
I may be jaded, but my first thought was to wonder if he is up for re-election.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:47 pmreally Bush has admitted his own guilt in his part of outing a CIA agent
Comment by Tobey Tall
You are quite right, Tobey. :)
July 4th, 2007 at 12:48 pmWith any luck, Scooter, Cheney, Bush and Gonzales will all be charged with felonies in 2009 and sentenced to long prison terms. One forgets how many of Nixon’s inner circle did time in the slammer and this White House has done things worse than Watergate.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:48 pmI dont know why you hate him so much this Pres has been the best friend you haters of liberty have had in many years. Clinton signed welfare reform and trade agreements. While Bush enacts new entitlements and expands the dept of Ed.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:48 pmAs we move closer to the elections, more and more republic candidates will be mouthing the same thing………which is rover’s plot; let everyone distance themselves from BushCo and pretend they will be different.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pm#10 Go peddle your bullshit somewhere else. Typical repug who wants to go off topic and interrupt. Go back to the leg humping on red state.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:57 pmSorry #10…I had the troll in mind on number 9.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:58 pm“Excessive or not, Mr. Libby’s sentence should be respected.â€
An excessive sentence should never be respected, it’s unconstitutional. Presidential powers, however, are constitutional and should be respected.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:00 pmWhat Pat nothing intelligent to say?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWithout further evidence, I’ll give Rep. Bilirakis the benefit of the doubt and assume he has some integrity.
Comment by spit take
I may be jaded, but my first thought was to wonder if he is up for re-election.
Comment by Zooey
He’s a Rep., which means he’s always up for re-election. Still, he’s the only Republican to speak out to date, and I give him props for sticking his neck out.
Republics who are willing to call Bush on his anti-American behavior are, to date, very rare (except on their favorite subject, immigration). This either took big stones or a really desperate re-election situation. Or both.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pm#10 I agree what you say, but on the other hand I think we may give KKKarl too much credit. If he is chimpy’s brain with all the fu(kups they have had..it’s sure not worth much. Most likely just a case of chimpy getting in his own way, huh?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pmEven W’s Arrogance Is Incompetent
The issue of probation may be a snag here for Libby, and if my scenario goes as predicted, then prison time may not yet be out of the question for Libby
Oh, and if that’s the case, then W’s commutation is an even more stupid decision than a full pardon would have been
And defense attorneys all over the country can’t believe their luck, a President and Attorney General who are giving them legal ammunition to use against the President’s and AG’s own DoJ personnel
July 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pm#2 But wait he’s a republican which in TPville means stupid, greedy and corrupt. So why is this news?
It’s the agenda stupid.
Comment by Troll — July 4, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
The answer, of course, is both are, Libby and Bilrakis. Being Greedy means that each one has his own agenda and priorities. If Bilrakis followed the party line for 6 years or more (I never heard of ANYTHING of importance done by Bilrakis, looks as a follower, not a leader) doesn’t pays today (reelection time for Bilrakis?), he simply voices a little dissent to say to the voters “See? I have my own will”. Time will say where really stands Bilrakis.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pmAn excessive sentence should never be respected, it’s unconstitutional. Presidential powers, however, are constitutional and should be respected.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
How do you feel about the death penalty, CT? Excessive…?
I agree, GWB should have respect for presidential powers and not abuse them — or the American people.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:10 pmHA Ha Ha funny.
If you’re four.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pmGood post’s Lady Z and BnF….Blessings
July 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pm#21 is my G rated version of #18…which I was sure they would delete.
:-)
July 4th, 2007 at 1:16 pmEvil
July 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmSo you are saying that he doesnt mean what he said but is only sucking up to the left to get reelected. Then why does TP carry his water?
this Pres has been the best friend you haters of liberty have had in many years. Clinton signed welfare reform and trade agreements. While Bush enacts new entitlements and expands the dept of Ed.
Comment by Troll — July 4, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
This is the sign that epublics are giving up on Bush for real. They are attempting to cast Clinton as a conservative and Bush as a liberal. Good luck with that. Maybe it will work out as well as trying to convince America that Kennedy was conservative and Nixon was liberal.
But Troll hit the nail on the head with this bon mot:
this Pres has been the best friend haters of liberty have had in many years.
Haters of liberty to include: terrorists, fascists and corporatists. Well done, Troll. Here’s a cookie.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pmHow do you feel about the death penalty, CT? Excessive…?
I agree, GWB should have respect for presidential powers and not abuse them — or the American people.
Comment by Zooey
I don’t find the death penalty to be excessive as long as the punishment fits the criminal intent.
Killing of public officials, namely military personnel and police officers, I believe, should merit the death penalty, while mass and gruesome killings on regular citizens should also remain considered.
Again, it depends on intent. As long as death warrants are carried out properly, abolishment to me is infeasible.
At any rate, good afternoon to you, Zooey.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pmAn excessive sentence should never be respected, it’s unconstitutional. Presidential powers, however, are constitutional and should be respected.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
No argument about an excessive sentence. But Libby’s sentence fell squarely within federal guidelines for the charges. What does teh term “excessive” mean to you?
And as far as the Presidential powers go, those should be respected too — by the people as well as by the President. This President has no respect for the constitution, and so assumes excessive presidential powers.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pm#16 #10 I agree what you say, but on the other hand I think we may give KKKarl too much credit. If he is chimpy’s brain with all the fu(kups they have had..it’s sure not worth much. Most likely just a case of chimpy getting in his own way, huh?
Comment by Pat
That is logical, but it doesn’t seem to matter WHAT the BushCo boyz & girlz do, they are still standing. So he has done SOMETHING right!
Probably more of a reflection on the weakness in the Dem leadership than the republic strenghts.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:28 pmIt’s the agenda stupid.
Comment by Troll
See Comment #1 above yours…
July 4th, 2007 at 1:28 pmEvil
So you are saying that he doesnt mean what he said but is only sucking up to the left to get reelected. Then why does TP carry his water?
Comment by Troll — July 4, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Nah, I say that he says a reasonable thing, but that doesn’t make him a reasonable person, in the past or the future. Sucking to the left? As I think, the Republicans are the ones advocating strict rule of law, and strict here means harsh. Why is Libby treated better than Paris Hilton. Bilrakis is voicing it, but I say that it’s strage because the Republicans have acted like sheeple the past 6 years. TP posts his story, because is strange to hear an R saying the truth, against the position of the GOP. Understood?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:39 pmAn excessive sentence should never be respected, it’s unconstitutional. Presidential powers, however, are constitutional and should be respected.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Yeah , if you’re talking about a president that UNDERSTANDS the law ; the moron you constantly try to apologize for , was a business major in a school he had no reason attending nor graduating from , because he didn’t earn either distinction ……………..
July 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pm“I don’t know why you hate him so much – this Prez has been the best friend you haters of reactionary, kneejerk, big-business-coddling, violence-mongering, empire-building, divisive, nonsensical b.s. have had in many years.”
How so?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pmI live in Bilirakis’ district…he was just elected for the first time to Congress…was a state legislator for a few years before that…He was elected to the seat vacated by his father who had a very long and undistinguished career in congress…The Democratic candidate received 40% of the vote in a gerrymandered largely conservative district with lots of retirees and veterans…Mr. Bilirakis’ voting record has all been party-line/bushco…so I suspect that the main reason for his speaking out is next year’s election… I am sure he likes the job and doesn’t want to disappoint dad…You can be sure the Democrats will put up a strong candidate and campaign in ‘08 !
July 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmComment by spit take
The sentence handed down by the judge and agreed on by the prosecutor was fair. They are sound, ethical officials. While the president may have shown favoritism in granting such a quick commutation, signaled by the backlog of applications for other commutations/pardons, his apparent reasoning (again, he presently doesn’t have to provide any)was for the departation of sentencing guidelines to spare Libby any prison time.
People with similar obstruction/perjury non-violent convictions with no criminal history, routinely receive sentences ranging from 13-31 months. So, yes, a question of fairness can be raised here. But if the country truly wants to see an end to controversial pardons/commutations, perhaps some changes to the rulebook should be sought concerning them, because they’re not going to stop with the next president.
Happy 4th to you.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pmPeople with similar obstruction/perjury non-violent convictions with no criminal history, routinely receive sentences ranging from 13-31 months. So, yes, a question of fairness can be raised here. But if the country truly wants to see an end to controversial pardons/commutations, perhaps some changes to the rulebook should be sought concerning them, because they’re not going to stop with the next president.
Happy 4th to you.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Finer. But your initial comment was An excessive sentence should never be respected, it’s unconstitutional.
You’ve acknowledged that Libby’s sentence was not excessive given the federal guidelines. So was that original comment just way off-topic?
I find it interesting that, rather than criticize this president’s poor judgment, you suggest more regulation.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:50 pmOh, and a happy Fourth to you too.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:51 pmPresidential powers, however, are constitutional and should be respected.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
I’d like to ask, respectfully, if you are familiar with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18 of the US Constitution which grants the Congress the power to decide how the government will function and how everyone in it will do their jobs, including the president?
Under their constitutional authority, the Congress decided that the president will grant pardons and reprieves according to a certain procedure. Bush did not follow that procedure. Technically, his commutation of Libby’s sentence may have violated the law and, therefore, been unconstitutional.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:52 pmPeople with similar obstruction/perjury non-violent convictions with no criminal history, routinely receive sentences ranging from 13-31 months. So, yes, a question of fairness can be raised here. But if the country truly wants to see an end to controversial pardons/commutations, perhaps some changes to the rulebook should be sought concerning them, because they’re not going to stop with the next president.
Happy 4th to you.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
This isn’t about a “controversial” pardon/commutation ; it’s about your retarded simian hero proving that the platform the horseshit GOP constantly attempts to run on , that they’re the party of “Law” and of “strict Constitutionlists , is just another lie from the party that’s overflowing with them …………
July 4th, 2007 at 1:53 pmExcessive or not, Mr. Libby’s sentence should be respected.â€
An excessive sentence should never be respected, it’s unconstitutional. Presidential powers, however, are constitutional and should be respected.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — J
How exactly is Libby’s sentence excessive? he obstructed, and continues to obstruct, an investigation into the the outing of a CIA agent who worked to ferret out WMD. At the time Plame was working to discover the extent of Iran’s WMD capability. Libby is covering up treason of the worst kind, yet repbublican scumbags such as yourself continue to lie and make excuses simply because your draft-dodging, AWOL leaders are the treasonists. CT_V1 is an unpatriotic coward. a
July 4th, 2007 at 2:01 pmhttp://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/02/28/pardons_reemerge_as_issue_in_clinton_run/
The pardon scandal is going to hurt Hillary the most. Bush can’t go any lower in the polls and he will actually gain Republican support likely increasing his pathetic approval rating. Hillary, on the other hand, is only at 50% unfavoable right now. If Democrats had a spine, they would throw Hillary to the curb. There is no way in hell that woman will get elected after Republicans are finished with her and her LIES!
Does anyone know who was Marc Rich’s lawyer? Scooter Libby.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:09 pmComment by spit take
To clarify, my comments were strictly on the topic of Rep’s assertion that “excessive or not,” his sentence “should be respected, ” not necessarily linked to the Libby case. As I’ve said, Libby’s original sentence, now that I’ve reviewed comparative cases, was not excessive, but the Rep’s statement didn’t advocate the avoidance of cruel and unusual punishment.
Now, if there’s more to it, and he meant waiting until the appeals process was finished to determine the sentence to be constitutional, then his statement was OK. Not the way I would have worded it, but OK.
Finally, the regulation change I would propose would be for the President to provide substantially good evidence, perhaps submitting it to Congress for at least Judiciary Committee approval, before a pardon/commute could be granted. But that doesn’t even seem right, however, because you don’t want to unfairly wring the powers of a future good president as punishment of the controversial judgement of a past president.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:13 pmIf Libby’s sentence was excessive, why didn’t the Presidnent commute that part of it that was excessive? Why not reduce it to the low end of the minimum recommended by the parole board? Why not give him at least six months?
This is clearly a pay-off, in my opinion, to keep Libby quiet. It didn’t just occur to the folks in the White House. It is a part of the options in the works since before Scooter got convicted. In this case, it is the un-caged bird that don’t sing.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmWhat this administration has done makes watergate look like a blow job.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pm#43 – Libby is yesterday’s news. Is Hillary going to explain why her brother is in litigation to repay a gift he received when President Clinton pardoned a client of his?
Is Hillary going to explain why her husband pardoned Marc Rich, the FALN terrorists and convicted sex offenders?
The pardon issue is GREAT for Republicans. It reminds the public why they chose not to elect Bill Clinton’s successor.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:20 pmListen up liberals? Libby is still not in jail! Time to go bonkers!
July 4th, 2007 at 2:21 pm“It’s the agenda stupid.
Comment by Troll — July 4, 2007″
Which liberals don’t have!
July 4th, 2007 at 2:22 pm“really Bush has admitted his own guilt in his part of outing a CIA agent
Comment by Tobey Tall — July 4, 2007″
He has? When?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:23 pmNo RNC funding for this Republican’s next election cycle. Ethics tend to do that to wayward Repugnicants.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThe pardon issue is GREAT for Republicans. It reminds the public why they chose not to elect Bill Clinton’s successor.
Comment by Hillary’s Heir — July 4, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Gore did win the election , moron ; Chimpy the Wonder Monkey , the worst president in US history , was SELECTED , not elected ……
July 4th, 2007 at 2:27 pmSpare us with your indignation over Libby’s commutation. Explain this list of pardons by your hero Clinton.
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
July 4th, 2007 at 2:28 pmIn answer to post #48: John Dean thinks GWB has confessed to an impeachable offense:
After the revelation that George W. Bush authorized NSA wiretaps without warrants, Dean asserted that President Bush is “the first President to admit to an impeachable offense”.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:29 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dean
Listen up liberals? Libby is still not in jail! Time to go bonkers!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Listen , michael the partisan imbecile ; Libby is a convicted felon.
And you back the worst , most unintelligible moron to ever occupy the Oval Office ; proud of that , are ya’ , simp ?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#41 Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Thanks for clarifying.
I agree with your final assessment, too. I think presidential pardons should be at the discretion of the president with no approvals required. Ideally, we should be able to count on the man (or woman) to whom that power is entrusted to use it responsibly. That’s not a lot to ask.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:29 pm“Gore did win the election , moron ; Chimpy the Wonder Monkey , the worst president in US history , was SELECTED , not elected ……
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Idiot! Gore did not win the election according to our election laws. He tried to steal it, but he certainly didn’t win it. Get over it moron?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pm#50 – No, Bush won. AND then he won re-election.
Hillary has a problem. Will the left finally stand up to her or are you all spineless lapdogs for the Clintons.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pmSpare us with your indignation over Libby’s commutation. Explain this list of pardons by your hero Clinton.
http://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Spare us your “but but but Clinton” , argument , partisan simp ; show us 1 member of his own administration that Clinton commuted their prison sentecne/pardoned outright…..
July 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pm“And you back the worst , most unintelligible moron to ever occupy the Oval Office ; proud of that , are ya’ , simp ?
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Correction! I back the first President since FDR to stand up to a force that want to destroy us! Wake up. stupid!
July 4th, 2007 at 2:32 pmI see it’s time for michael’s shift on Troll Patrol.
And once again he has demonstrated his Black/White thinking by suggesting that liberals are either in favor of NO pardons or they’re in favor of ALL of them, circumstances be damned. Apparently, to the wingnut mind, if one thinks the Libby commutation is irresponsible, then one is a hypocrite if he doesn’t condemn ALL pardons and commutations.
Is that how it goes, “michael”?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“show us 1 member of his own administration that Clinton commuted their prison sentecne/pardoned outright…..
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Oh yes, that’s right. It would have been better if Bush reserved his commutations for drug dealers like the low life Clinton did?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“But but Clinton”. This from the side that claims itself the pillar of responsibility.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pm“Gore did win the election , moron ; Chimpy the Wonder Monkey , the worst president in US history , was SELECTED , not elected ……
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Idiot! Gore did not win the election according to our election laws. He tried to steal it, but he certainly didn’t win it. Get over it moron?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
The SCOTUS made the ruling ; which was never part of our “election laws” , you imbecilic , partisan simp.
Chimpy the Wonder Monkey stole it ; he was SELECTED , not elected , as I’ve stated previously.
And look where it has gotten us…..
BTW george michael
Al Gore – 51,003,926 votes
Chimpy McFlightsuit (the worst president in US history) – 50,460,110
July 4th, 2007 at 2:36 pm“Is that how it goes, “michaelâ€?
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
No stupid, that’s not how it goes. It’s just hilarious watching you dopes going crazy over this issue. You haven’t let me down!
July 4th, 2007 at 2:36 pmWingers must get tired of keeping up with what’s the latest threat. When they talk about “Islamofascism,” you can tell they don’t really believe it.
Oddly enough, the Republics knew nothing about this terrible threat during the tenure of the last elected American President. I guess they were too busy buggering pages:
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:37 pm# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
# Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
# Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
# Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
#58. Yeah, you sure showed those terrorists a thing or two by validating their strategy.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:37 pm#62 – whah, whah… If we debate presidential pardons, we drag in the very corrupt Clintons. UM – because one of them is running for President so she can stifle dissent.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:37 pmRon Paul was against the Pardon as well.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:38 pmMC Metal – George W. Bush is still President, like it or not. AND after he’s finished, we’ll have a lock on the Supreme Court, too. I hope that upsets you.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:39 pmBush supporters are still in a pre-evolution mindset.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:39 pm“The SCOTUS made the ruling ; which was never part of our “election laws†, you imbecilic , partisan simp.
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Why do you stupid liberals make this so easy for me? The SCOTUS did not make the ruling! They told the Florida Supreme Court that they were violating the Florida election laws by allowing an illegal hand recount and were directed to STOP the illegal hand recount! Get your facts straight!
July 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pm#
Clinton’s pardons were strictly quid pro quo. He used pardon power to buy votes and money.
Libby is old news. Everyone knows Joe Wilson is a disgusting liar and that Valerie Plame was an opportunistic b*tch.
Liberals are just pissed because they can’t abuse pardon power.
Comment by Hillary’s Heir — July 4, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
Wow. This is a veritable treasure trove of wingnuttery.
Somehow, Clinton’s pardons are germaine but Libby is “old news”. Huh?
And a loyal long-serving CIA agent who traveled overseas as a NOC is “an opportunistic b*tch”. Nice way to appreciate those who put their lives in danger for our nation.
And lastly, this troll at least has the stones to admit that Bush abused pardon power. The thing is, Democrats don’t need to abuse “pardon power”. Almost all of the crooked politicians facing prison are Republicans. So I guess they NEED to abuse pardon power.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:49 pm“you sure showed those terrorists a thing or two by validating their strategy.
Comment by Loonie — July 4, 2007″
How is that?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:50 pmNo stupid, that’s not how it goes. It’s just hilarious watching you dopes going crazy over this issue. You haven’t let me down!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Weren’t you one of those trolls who always makes a big stink about “name-calling lefties”? I guess hypocrisy comes easily to you guys.
So, if you weren’t making the point that if we’re against this commutation then we should be against all of clinton’s pardons, why did you bother to cut-and-paste your cute little list?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:51 pmThe Congressman should REMEMBER: All those who “outed” Valerie Plame walked; “Scooter” Libby who didn’t shouldn’t go to prison.
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/07/though-premature-bushs-commutation-of.html#links
July 4th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“And a loyal long-serving CIA agent who traveled overseas as a NOC
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
Not recently! She was a paper pusher in Langley waiting to retire!
July 4th, 2007 at 2:52 pmWhy do you stupid liberals make this so easy for me? The SCOTUS did not make the ruling! They told the Florida Supreme Court that they were violating the Florida election laws by allowing an illegal hand recount and were directed to STOP the illegal hand recount! Get your facts straight!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Did you learn sentence composition in a public school?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Ever hear of “state’s rights” ?
The SCOTUS’ position and ruling was ridiculous ; and in typical horseshit GOP fashion , the 5 Cancervatives placed on the court , stopped the election count and the state of Florida to determine its own election vote tally.
Funny how you GOP backing stooges claim you want less government involvement ; guess that means if it favors you , you’re okay with it.
BTW I’ve seen your posts ; you are no Shakespeare”S” , moron……
July 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pm#74 – Bush is not up for re-election. Hillary is. She needs to answer questions about her husband’s pardons. Bush doesn’t have to answer any questions. The left-wing hate machine lead by the Clintons and Think Progress has so damaged President Bush, it doesn’t matter what he does now.
Hillary is not quite there yet, but she will be polling below 40% favorables when the truth comes out about her husband’s quid pro quo pardon fest.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pmNo stupid, that’s not how it goes. It’s just hilarious watching you dopes going crazy over this issue. You haven’t let me down!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
She had traveled overseas undercover within the last five years. That is all that’s required for an agent to be considered “covert”. And even if she hadn’t traveled “recently” she was still a dedicated public servant whose position was classified until revealed in the press.
So how does that transalate to “an opportunistic b*tch”? Or do you disavow the statements of your Troll Patrol squadmate?
July 4th, 2007 at 2:58 pm“why did you bother to cut-and-paste your cute little list?
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
Simple! To display your hypocrisy!
July 4th, 2007 at 2:58 pmThat took balls, Cong. Bilirakis. Reminds me that it was Barry Goldwater who confronted Nixon and was the “tipping point” toward the resignation–I totally disagreed with Goldwater’s politics, but I admired him as a man.
I grew up when the Republican Party had two things that are scarce today: 1) Honor; 2) Moderates.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:58 pmEver hear of “state’s rights†?
HEY!!! You can get kicked out of almost every party for talking like that.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:59 pmMCMetal – please get over Bush v. Gore. The Supreme Court is actually more conservative now as a result of the left’s attack on free elections. You lost every election for six years after that hate filled tirade over the election. Bush won. The Supreme Court was just doing what over 60% of America wanted at that time – force Al Gore to concede.
AND when Roe is overturned, Bush v. Gore will just be the starting point.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:59 pm“And a loyal long-serving CIA agent who traveled overseas as a NOC
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
Not recently! She was a paper pusher in Langley waiting to retire!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
If you’d take Limpballs’ and Sean Insanity’s tiny little sacks off your eyelids , you might have read this :
Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak
Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment
By Joel Seidman
Producer
NBC News
Updated: 4:24 p.m. ET May 29, 2007
WASHINGTON – An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame’s employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was “covert” when her name became public in July 2003.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
This is about the 4th or 5th time I’ve posted this same link ; and I know I’ve posted it to you before , george michael .
Are lies all you have ?
What a loser, who worships another loser in the Oval Office……..
July 4th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#83 – yes because the Democrats have so much of that. Please. At least I can say that the Democrats have been the party of race baiting hate and baby butchers my whole life.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:01 pm“The SCOTUS’ position and ruling was ridiculous ; and in typical horseshit GOP fashion , the 5 Cancervatives placed on the court , stopped the election count and the state of Florida to determine its own election vote tally.
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
The SCOTUS ruling was right on. The state’s legislature determines election laws not the Florida Supreme Court. To change the laws after the election is illegal. Hand recounts in the state of Florida is only allowed if the original count was done by hand OR if the person challenging can prove that a particular tabulating machine in a particular precinct counted ballots incorrectly. This didn’t happen and the Gore camp convinced the Florida Supreme Court to allow illegal hand recounts in entire counties! The SCOTUS stepped in and ordered the Florida Supreme Court to obey it’s own election laws and halt the illegal hand recount. Do you ever read anything?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:07 pmI’m happy you trolls are amused by at this Liberal Democratic outrage. But the news story is about a Republican.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:07 pmOops, typo. I’ll bet I can get Bush to pardon me.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:09 pmMCMetal – please get over Bush v. Gore. The Supreme Court is actually more conservative now as a result of the left’s attack on free elections. You lost every election for six years after that hate filled tirade over the election. Bush won. The Supreme Court was just doing what over 60% of America wanted at that time – force Al Gore to concede.
AND when Roe is overturned, Bush v. Gore will just be the starting point.
Comment by Hillary’s Heir — July 4, 2007 @ 2:59 pm
Chimpy didn’t even receive 50% of that year’s vote ; yet , you’re going to stupidly claim that 60% of Americans wanted Gore to conceed ?
60% of all the hayseeds that live with you in the aboriginal backwater you were raised in , in East Assbag , Kentucky , is not 60% of all Americans , Hilariously&Glaringlystupid ……
And what happened this past November ?
And ‘08 will usher in 16 straight years of Democratic president in America ; so , I appeal to you , to start praticing ROWING , now ….. Because you and your idiotic GOP brethren , will be boated off to S America , where you can join Chimpy and his whole goddamn brood
July 4th, 2007 at 3:10 pmBy the way, can any of you losers on the left explain to me why it took your other hero kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Can you?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:11 pm#87- How long have you been off your Thorazine? You might want to get yourself to the emergency room immediately, given your dangerously delusional state of mind. And maybe they can do something for that cesspool of hate you’re carrying around with you. Christian charity knows no bounds. Love, love, love. Just like Jesus.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“why did you bother to cut-and-paste your cute little list?
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
Simple! To display your hypocrisy!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Explain, please. How does your list of Clinton’s pardons expain anyone’s hypocrisy?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“60% of all the hayseeds that live with you in the aboriginal backwater you were raised in , in East Assbag , Kentucky , is not 60% of all Americans , Hilariously&Glaringlystupid ……
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Exactly the attitude I hope you liberals don’t drop!
July 4th, 2007 at 3:13 pmBy the way, can any of you losers on the left explain to me why it took your other hero kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Can you?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Off-topic much?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:14 pm92. What the hell has that got to do with anything? Go to http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ – 10k -
They’re in alphabetical order, for your convenience.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:14 pm“Explain, please. How does your list of Clinton’s pardons expain anyone’s hypocrisy?
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
Did I hear you belly aching about those?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:14 pmCV_T is the usual poor excuse for an American. He will look no further than at what his “leader” says. To CV the president is infallible as were the kings of old. Let us look for the poor excuse for thinking that has been exhibited by this lover of authoritarianism and corrupt presidents:
1. An excessive sentence is unconstitutional. Obviously this idiot has no law degree or knowledge of constitutional law. So fool here is a little free legal education from a former criminal defense attorney and prosecutor. The constitution only prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. This does not even come close to the standard. However, the sentence was well within the federal sentencing guidelines and is presumptively valid. (Position taken many times by the Bush legal team.) Indeed, your GOD on Earth has been attempting to make it impossible to depart from those guidelines.
2. The probation panel recommended 16-21 months (or within 9 months of the high end.) Remember, it is the discretion of the judge to make the final decision as to the applicability and weight of the various factors. It is the judge who has the best view of the facts in the case and the demeanor of the defendant. However, like most boot licking Bush dead enders, you will support your false God’s decision even though he has little detailed knowledge of the case but significant personal bias and potential to benefit from his commutation of Libby’s sentence. President in his infinite wisdom has eliminated all jail time, not reduced it. He still has not ruled out a pardon.
3. You argue that the President need give no reason for his action and that the constitution gives him the power to commute sentences. But you go one step further, the mere existence of the legal basis to take an action or exercise discretion makes its exercise right without further question. This is a privilege granted only to Gods and Kings. But then we already know where you stand on Bushes’s deity. Wake up you traitor to the United States, democracy and liberty. Unfettered discretion is always dangerous and most susceptible to abuse. It is the questioning of the exercise of such authority that deters its worse abuses. One would think that it is the duty of an informed citizenry and democratic society to watch the exercise of such discretion.
4. The actions taken by Bush scream the worst sort of hypocrisy. Bush totally sets aside confinement as opposed to commuting it to a lesser period of time. Meanwhile, Bush has shown such mercy to virtually no common citizens. Bush decries discretion on the part of judges to depart from the sentencing guidelines while his commutation falls far outside what the guidelines would permit. Bush wants judges (such a Walton) who will deliver stiff sentences (unless to loyal foot soldiers in the Bush War Against Democracy and in support of his Holy War in Favor of Corruption). Bush has conducted a careful review of the trial (without discussing the matter with the prosecutor, reviewing the DoJ guidelines which are not mandatory but certainly provides a well thought out basis upon which to review and support clemency decisions or discussing the matter with any DOJ officials). Need we even mention the fact that Bush certainly appears to take the action to mask questionable activities on the part of HIS administration?
I could go on but it is not necessary. The real concern is the existence of such loathsome creatures as CV. Each great tyranny, despot and fascist society that has existed and trampled upon the liberties, freedoms and lives of millions of people through history can be traced to those like CV. These are people who understand that they are intellectually and morally inferior. Indeed, they want and need an absolute leader to think for them. They are so insecure that questioning of authority or the established order would simply destroy them. These people lack the intellect, common sense and critical thinking skills to make correct decisions. They crave a strong leader to curb their own immoral impulses and to relieve them of the burden of responsibility for themselves. CV and his ilk are like members of the Baathists, Italian fascists, NAZI’s and numerous other cult like, reality denying political movements. Worse yet, these are people who project their own moral depravity, intellectual weakness. inability to shoulder responsibility or make rational decisions upon the rest of us. CV fears democracy, fears real citizen participation and fears the questioning of authority because in his heart of heart he knows that he is worthless scum and fears that all others may be like him.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:15 pmThe SCOTUS ruling was right on. The state’s legislature determines election laws not the Florida Supreme Court. To change the laws after the election is illegal. Hand recounts in the state of Florida is only allowed if the original count was done by hand OR if the person challenging can prove that a particular tabulating machine in a particular precinct counted ballots incorrectly. This didn’t happen and the Gore camp convinced the Florida Supreme Court to allow illegal hand recounts in entire counties! The SCOTUS stepped in and ordered the Florida Supreme Court to obey it’s own election laws and halt the illegal hand recount. Do you ever read anything?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Are lies all you have ? (Apparently so)
The United States Supreme Court voted 7–2 to end the recount on the grounds that differing standards in different counties constituted an equal protection violation, and 5–4 that no new recount with uniform standards could be conducted within the time available.
And you’re attempting to claim others don’t “read anything” ?
You mean like you , when it comes to your repeated lie that Valerie Plame wasn’t an undercover officer ?
Loser…………
July 4th, 2007 at 3:16 pm“But the news story is about a Republican.
Comment by bogtrotters — July 4, 2007″
No it’s not! It’s about you dumb liberals yelling the sky is falling, the sky is falling!
July 4th, 2007 at 3:17 pm“60% of all the hayseeds that live with you in the aboriginal backwater you were raised in , in East Assbag , Kentucky , is not 60% of all Americans , Hilariously&Glaringlystupid ……
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Exactly the attitude I hope you liberals don’t drop!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
Yeah , because we all hear every presidential candidate , discuss how “vital” winning the state of Kentucky is during an election ………
July 4th, 2007 at 3:18 pmBy the way, can any of you losers on the left explain to me why it took your other hero kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Can you?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Care to explain why your “honorable hero” , is a military deserting chickenshit , who refused to go to ‘Nam ?
Can you ? Huh , Huh ,Huh ?
Stupid little boy………..
July 4th, 2007 at 3:20 pmNo it’s not! It’s about you dumb liberals yelling the sky is falling, the sky is falling!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
Yeah , maybe we should all learn to assimilate and scream like brainless banshees about “terror alerts , WMD’s , mushroom clouds” and other assorted fictional bullshit things ……..
July 4th, 2007 at 3:22 pmDid I hear you belly aching about those?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Why would I bellyache about any of those if none of them fit the same charateristics as the Libby case (i.e. member of own administration, no jail time served, appeals still in process, no consultation with prosecuting attorney…)?
The only reason you would possibly construe my lack of “bellyaching” about any of Clinton’s pardons as “hypocrisy” is if you figured that if I opposed one, I had to oppose them all.
Which is what I originally suggested, and you denied.
Now why don’t you call me some more names. Might make you feel better.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:23 pmBy the way, can any of you losers on the left explain to me why it took your other hero kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? Can you?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Ummm , no , I can’t . I don’t speak for John Kerry ; or anyone else , for that matter.
Oh BTW
Care to explain why you habitually lie about Valerie Plame’s status ?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“The United States Supreme Court voted 7–2 to end the recount on the grounds that differing standards in different counties constituted an equal protection violation, and 5–4 that no new recount with uniform standards could be conducted within the time available.
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Like I said, it was unconstitutional for the Florida Supreme Court to allow a violation of their state’s election laws. You can use any words you want to describe what the SCOTUS did but the bottom line is they forced the Florida Supreme Court to obey it’s election laws. Get an education and read “Breaking The Deadlock” by Richard Posner if you want to understand what really happened!
July 4th, 2007 at 3:25 pm“Care to explain why you habitually lie about Valerie Plame’s status ?
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
I’m not lying! She was pushing paper at Langley, wasn’t she?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:27 pm“Why would I bellyache about any of those if none of them fit the same charateristics as the Libby
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
That’s right, most of them committed far bigger crimes than Libby!
July 4th, 2007 at 3:29 pm“Yeah , maybe we should all learn to assimilate and scream like brainless banshees about “terror alerts
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Were you asleep last weekend?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:30 pmI’m not lying! She was pushing paper at Langley, wasn’t she?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
According to whom ?
You ?
A lying , stupid , Chimpy rim licking apologist ?
I’ve just showed you a link/proof , that she was undercover (which I’ve C&P’ed here for the last 3 or 4 days) ; what the hell is your “proof” ?
Your useless word ?
You’re a dope…….
July 4th, 2007 at 3:30 pmBush v. Gore – most important ruling in our lifetime. Gore and Democrats wanted to steal the election. They had to be stopped.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:30 pmShe was pushing paper at Langley, wasn’t she?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
If that’s what you want to call working as a covert agent, then fine. But Valerie plame WAS a covert CIA agent at the time her identity was made public. Do you acknowledge that?
To quote you, “Get an education and read THIS if you want to understand what really happened!”
July 4th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“Care to explain why your “honorable hero†, is a military deserting chickenshit , who refused to go to ‘Nam ?
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
You have proof he is a deserter? I was in the Navy at the time and didn’t go to Nam. Am I a chickenshit? How much of your time did you give to this country?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:32 pmGee, michael, why do you link your name to Ann Coulter’s website? Just curious.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:35 pm“If that’s what you want to call working as a covert agent, then fine. But Valerie plame WAS a covert CIA agent at the time her identity was made public. Do you acknowledge that?
To quote you, “Get an education and read THIS if you want to understand what really happened!â€
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
That may have been her job description but she wasn’t actively covert. My get an education quote had nothing to do with the Plane incident, I was referring to the 2000 election.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:36 pmLike I said, it was unconstitutional for the Florida Supreme Court to allow a violation of their state’s election laws. You can use any words you want to describe what the SCOTUS did but the bottom line is they forced the Florida Supreme Court to obey it’s election laws. Get an education and read “Breaking The Deadlock†by Richard Posner if you want to understand what really happened!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Bullshit
You (inaccurately) claimed :
To change the laws after the election is illegal. Hand recounts in the state of Florida is only allowed if the original count was done by hand OR if the person challenging can prove that a particular tabulating machine in a particular precinct counted ballots incorrectly. This didn’t happen and the Gore camp convinced the Florida Supreme Court to allow illegal hand recounts in entire counties! The SCOTUS stepped in and ordered the Florida Supreme Court to obey it’s own election laws and halt the illegal hand recount.
Nowhere in the SCOTUS rulings were Florida’s election laws ever part of the decision (except in ruling that they were not uniform from county to county ; that has nothing to do with state’s rights and/or Florida’s own election laws , skid mark) ; you’re merely attempting (weakly) , to play semantics . in any effort to not look monumentally stupid and completely incorrect.
It’s not working , assbag……….
July 4th, 2007 at 3:36 pm“Gee, michael, why do you link your name to Ann Coulter’s website? Just curious.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 4, 2007″
Because I think VERY highly of her!
July 4th, 2007 at 3:37 pm“Why would I bellyache about any of those if none of them fit the same charateristics as the Libby
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
That’s right, most of them committed far bigger crimes than Libby!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Answer the question.
Did any of the names on the list you copied-and-pasted from your Troll Resource Kit have the same circumstances that have people bothered about Libby’s case?
Did any of those people serve no jail time? (This is a standard prerequisite for a pardon or commutation).
Did any of those people still have active appeals going?
Did Clinton fail to consult with the prosecuting attorneys or other relevant figures before reaching his decision to pardon?
Are any of those names members of the Clinton administration who were convicted of crimes connected with a scandal that could involve the president?
Again I ask: HOW does your list display ANYONE’s hypocrisy but your own?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:37 pmI was in the Navy at the time and didn’t go to Nam. Am I a chickenshit? How much of your time did you give to this country?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
wait — I thought you were in Korea.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:38 pm“Gee, michael, why do you link your name to Ann Coulter’s website? Just curious.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 4, 2007″
Because I think VERY highly of her!
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Is that because you are her?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:38 pmYou have proof he is a deserter? I was in the Navy at the time and didn’t go to Nam. Am I a chickenshit? How much of your time did you give to this country?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ Your stupid ass , claiming to be a Veteran.
Yeah , and I’m Elvis.
How come no one remembers Chimpy reporting for duty for more than a year ?
Because they’re all Dems ?
Get a clue , you partisan , brainless putz…………
July 4th, 2007 at 3:39 pm“To quote you, “Get an education and read THIS if you want to understand what really happened!â€
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007″
Didn’t notice the link in your sentence. Like I said it may have said covert in her job description but at the time she wasn’t. She was pushing paper.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:40 pmThat may have been her job description but she wasn’t actively covert. My get an education quote had nothing to do with the Plane incident, I was referring to the 2000 election.
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
You’re wrong. She was actively covert. The CIA has acknowledged that fact, the current DCI has testified to that fac, Valerie Plame has testified to that fact.
Since you’re either too lazy or too scared to follow the link I provided, here is the first paragraph of the article linked:
“An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame’s employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was “covert” when her name became public in July 2003.”
July 4th, 2007 at 3:41 pm“Your stupid ass , claiming to be a Veteran.
Yeah , and I’m Elvis.
How come no one remembers Chimpy reporting for duty for more than a year ?
Because they’re all Dems ?
Get a clue , you partisan , brainless putz…………
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007″
Wow your public school education is starting to show! In the 60’s most people who were part of the reserves or guard always skipped meetings, including myself. Rarely did anyone show up for meetings after active duty, including myself. So I’ll ask you again, how much time did you give to this country?
July 4th, 2007 at 3:44 pm“Is that because you are her?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 4, 2007″
You caught me!
July 4th, 2007 at 3:46 pmComment by JMOHR
My resume to be “traitor to the United States” was thrown out, the first one to be thrown out. When I inquired multiple times as to why, they finally admitted that you had been offered the job, and had accepted.
Pretty good effort to pretend you’re unemployed, though, traitor.
Your argument, by the way, is slanted far to the left. It doesn’t even make factual sense; it’s basically your interpretation of the constitution according to your political tastes. I’m sorry, but the fundamental state of our constitution is written down the middle.
Don’t like it? Leave the country. Take your act elsewhere.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:51 pm75 – “How is that” you say?
Terrorists don’t even need to do anything now. All there needs to be is some vague rumor that someone with an Arab name mentioned they might buy a pair of socks, then all socks are banned on all local and national flights for the next three months.
Hell, you can’t even invade the right country. You’ve done wonders for their recruitment levels and diminished your own. The rest of the world either hates you or at best pities you. I bet terrorists can’t believe their luck in having such an effective unwitting ally as George W. Bush, and his screeching, spy-betraying, knee-jerk, poltroonish fan base (thankfully diminished). You are terrorized and too obtuse to even see it. Conservatives and Liberals alike will be well rid of you and the likes.
That is how.
And another thing. Stop calling everyone who isn’t in complete lockstep with the GOP a “Liberal”. I know you lack any idea of what constitutes a liberal, but even a two-dimensional mind can handle more than two classifications.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:52 pmComment by MCMetal
I take it that honorable veterans can only have far-left, loony ideology.
People like you make the left look really bad.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:54 pmWow your public school education is starting to show! In the 60’s most people who were part of the reserves or guard always skipped meetings, including myself. Rarely did anyone show up for meetings after active duty, including myself. So I’ll ask you again, how much time did you give to this country?
Comment by michael — July 4, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
What does my being or not being in the service mean ?
You’re so stupid , you apologize for a liar and life-long failure who is a military deserter in Chimpy ; yet question the actions of a true Veteran who saw combat 1st hand in Kerry ?
And for someone who just got soundly thrashedon the topic of the 200 presidential election and the SCOTUS’ ridiculous decisions , you really are in no position to brag about your education or try and crticize someone elses schooling.
Plus , your intellectual dishonesty (amongst the others you possess) , in leaving certain words/phrases/actions out , shows just how insecure , petty , and dowright ridiculously sad and stupid you are……..
The way you tried to present my 1st sentence to your mutt ass :
“Your stupid ass , claiming to be a Veteran.”
————————————————————–
The way it was really written :
“BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ Your stupid ass , claiming to be a Veteran.”
Trying to prove your mental and educational superiority(which does not exist in this case , believe me) , by misrepresenting what someone else has written , is pretty weak and positively ridiculous.
You’re just another atypical , GOP/Chimpy rim licking skid mark ; self-aggrandizing and possessing an enormously misguided ego and a laughably delusional self-view………
July 4th, 2007 at 3:57 pmWhere is the ThinkProgress Headline that reads:
BREAKING: Al Gore’s Son. Bust With Drugs.
???????????????????????????????????????????
July 4th, 2007 at 4:01 pmComment by MCMetal
I take it that honorable veterans can only have far-left, loony ideology.
People like you make the left look really bad.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
You believe an anonymous political blog site is a place where honesty runs rampant ?
Your own horseshit party has proven the platforms it has run on for years , are completely fictional and farcical.
People like you are what the GOP hope and pray for ; gullible , stupid , arrogant nitwits………..
You are the proverbial least gifted/skilled/capable individual , that has convinced himself that he’s the most . How sad.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:02 pmHowdy Dean!
Enjoy your holiday!
July 4th, 2007 at 4:02 pmnull the word
July 4th, 2007 at 4:03 pmnull the word
Comment by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR OCTAVIANVS — July 4, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
You’re dull
And a turd
July 4th, 2007 at 4:04 pmAl Gore’s son is a junkie. Interesting.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:06 pmComment by MCMetal
Hillary/Barack should hire you as their campaign director. That way, I know they’d have no chance in hell.
Stick it, Mr. MCMetalMotorMouth. You have no case.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWhy does TP cover Paris Hilton but not Al Goracle’s son being busted with drugs?
July 4th, 2007 at 4:07 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
check out all of Clinton pardons. thanks.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:12 pmcheck out all of Clinton pardons. thanks.
Comment by drock — July 4, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Your point?
July 4th, 2007 at 4:15 pmComment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Your “fearless leader” has approval ratings that can only be spotted using bathyspeheres or bathyscaphes ; yet , you’re part of the dwindling group of fools that tries to apologize , defend and outright fob off blame/responsibility from squarely on Chimpy’s shoulders (where they solely belong) , to everyone else and especially “but but but Clinton”.
The party of “personal responsibility” , indeed.
Dean of Retard (Regent) University ; you have presented nothing besides an incredible lack of facts/proof and incoherent , uninformed prattling , based upon repeating crap presented by wrong wingnut radio hosts you listen to and admire.
You bring nothing to the table , save White House/GOP bullshit rhetorical talking points … And opinions that have all the legitimacy of a banana republic candidate’s ascension to ruler.
You’re a clown……..And an unfunny one , at that.
July 4th, 2007 at 4:46 pmOops
It’s “bathyspheres”
July 4th, 2007 at 4:46 pmComment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Most of your drivel on this blog is overlooked, probably even by the progressive base.
Even if I acquired information from regular listening to “right-wing” hosts, at least most them still have ratings to write home about unlike your talking-points generator, Airhead America. How did the venture work out, have any idea?
July 4th, 2007 at 5:38 pmhow dare they critize bush about anything he has done nothing but try to help everyone in iraq you guys obviously aren’t true americans yours truley
July 4th, 2007 at 5:55 pmfrancis thy great
Comment by MCMetal — July 4, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Most of your drivel on this blog is overlooked, probably even by the progressive base.
Even if I acquired information from regular listening to “right-wing†hosts, at least most them still have ratings to write home about unlike your talking-points generator, Airhead America. How did the venture work out, have any idea?
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 4, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Could you be any sillier , ignorant , and laughably delusional ?
You believe you speak for everyone (or anyone , for that matter) ? And especially those whom I’ve seen that have torn your ridiculous and insipid posts to shreds ?
The only twit I’ve seen that has even remotely suggested your useless posts to be somewhat relevant/worth reading , is the idiotic child that’s named “Mr President”…..
As for your stupid and ridiculous assertion that somehow listening to a money-making wrong wingnut skid mark somehow transfers itself to your having anything tangible to present , know this : being popular , doesn’t make you good or correct .
If you need to formulate your own opinion(s) based upon the cacklings of ideologues that all spew the same nonsense , without deterring from pre-scripted lines and slogans they all follow and repeat ad nauseam in a necessary and desperate attempt to make them seem valid and/or appear as some sort of truth , you need shut your stupid mouth , stop typing ridiculous talking-point laden GOP crap , and start paying attention to reality and fact ; not be fooled into believing that rhetoric and spin is believable ……….
If you’re trying to equate business success (with your mention of Air America as opposed to wrong wingnut radio) as if it crosses over smoothly into poltics and the understanding of things political ; why would anyone have voted for Chimpy based on that principle ?
He’s been a life-long failure at everything ; most glaringly , in business ……..And he was an Ivy League school grad , with a business degree ?
Yeah ……….I’m surprised it’s not claimed that he originated the idea for the Space Shuttle…….
July 4th, 2007 at 6:19 pmI think he sorta came up with it when he was designing the Hubble telescope.
July 4th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI’m with the Congressman from Florida — this is an outrage.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:57 am