Romney: Libby commutation was ‘reasonable.’
By on Jul 4th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Romney: Libby commutation was ‘reasonable.’
“Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who as Massachusetts governor refused to pardon an Iraq war veteran’s BB-gun conviction, on Tuesday called President Bush’s commutation of Scooter Libby’s prison sentence ‘reasonable.’ … During the four years Romney was in office, 100 requests for commutations and 172 requests for pardons were filed in the state. All were denied.”
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As a resident of Massachusetts and glad to be rid of Romney as Governor all I can say : who the f*ck cares what you say?
You are a racist, homophobic SOB!
July 4th, 2007 at 10:33 amAll Republicans who celebrate this travesty are, by association, enabling obstruction of justice, and must be held accountable in the next election cycle.
More than 70% of Americans recognize Libby’s commutation as a partisan political act, meant to reward Libby for his lies to a federal prosecutor. Their indignation will follow them to the voting booth. I think Bush has successfully wiped his political party from the scene for some time to come. Is it payback for their refusal to go along with his immigration proposal, or just plain partisan, selfish expediency?
July 4th, 2007 at 10:39 amThis “Cult of George” is beyond pathetic…
July 4th, 2007 at 10:40 amRomney is a truly scary character.
He has the same modus operandi as the Bush cabal, and he is much more calculating and cruel.
He also has some intelligence, which makes him all the more dangerous.
At least with George W. we always knew we were dealing with a lack of intelligence………..
July 4th, 2007 at 10:41 amRomney was for ‘pardon’ from start…
He and other GOP candidates see nothing that Libby did is considered wrong..
July 4th, 2007 at 10:41 amAlthouhg the jury did find a lot wrong with Libby’s testimony and found him liar,and sentenced him…
Now these candidates like Romeny think Scooter should walk free….
How much respect to the law these President’s job seekers have? Their words speak for themselves. Romeny will add or change nothing if he wins. He will be continuation of the same.
A Mormon President and his four First Ladies.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:43 amGOP
July 4th, 2007 at 10:45 amRIP
Comment by Kay
Massachussetts is a lousy state. Your state is only one of two to actually lose population. Ever think that Romney was only trying to whip it into shape?
July 4th, 2007 at 10:46 amHe refuses to pardon a veteran from the war he promotes, for a petty incident with a BB gun, but calls Bush’s communting of a man who lied to a Federal Grand Jury, reasonable.
Romney is a hypocrite. A hypocrite of the worst kind.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:47 amToday we celebrate our nations fight to throw off the oppresive yoke of a King named George.
“History it would seem, is not without a sense of ironyâ€
Morpheus
July 4th, 2007 at 10:49 amDuring the four years Romney was in office, 100 requests for commutations and 172 requests for pardons were filed in the state. All were denied.â€
Yeah but the same fundamental flaw still remains in your comparisons.
Were these sentences for obstruction of justice where there was no underlying prosecution obstructed ?
No ? Then that’s why Libby deserved to get off and none of those people did. Because that’s what they get to argue in the Libby case.
Because Fitzgerald didn’t find any underlying crime to prosecute. No matter how many times your readers try to claim otherwise (or that Libby was actually convicted of leaking a CIA agent’s name).
Keep making the comparisons if you like. Just expect to hear the same irrefuted and undeniable explanation that Libby’s sentence was determined too harsh becasue he was sentenced for obstructing justice where there was found to be no crime committed.
ps. Please address all angry remarks about this state of affairs to your pal Fitzmas! rather than me.
He determined that there was no deliberate or knowing leak of a CIA agent’s identity, not me. He handed these talking points to the next 20 years worth of republicans, not me. And yet yesterday, one of you was saying you would vote for him if he ran for President.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:49 amMaybe at the next Republican debate, the moderator can ask a question about this in a way that won’t allow them to lie and obfuscate. They should premise the question in facts so the candidates won’t spend their time lying throughout their answers.
“Gov. Romney. The CIA has said that at the time her name appeared in Robert Novak’s column, her status was classified. Clearly a law had been broken. Given this fact, and given the fact that Scooter Libby lied to investigators trying to find out how that happened and obstruced the investigation, why do you feel that Libby should not go to jail?”
Then they can’t start by saying “There was no underlying crime here. Libby was just having memory problems. (which would seem to make him a poor choice to be the vice president’s chief-of-staff). Fitzgerald was out-of-control. Blah-blah-blah-lie-lie-blah-blah-lie.”
July 4th, 2007 at 10:50 amMassachussetts is a lousy state. Your state is only one of two to actually lose population. Ever think that Romney was only trying to whip it into shape?
What a moronic thing to stay. Massachusetts is a great state. And I am proud to be from a state that legalized Gay Marriage.
The only thing Romney is capable of is whipping together propaganda for the neoCONservative movement which is all about beefing up the Military for Power, hegemony and Greed.
Romney is a hateful SOB.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:51 amoops. moronic thing to say…
July 4th, 2007 at 10:52 amRomney is simply doomed by the fact that the GOPers would not vote for a Mormon. Just like they won’t nominate a black, female or Jewish man. The party is still filled with narrow-minded people who truly believe that the WASP represents their Aryan race…
The irony is that they think his religion is crazier than theirs… LOL
July 4th, 2007 at 10:52 amHe determined that there was no deliberate or knowing leak of a CIA agent’s identity, not me. He handed these talking points to the next 20 years worth of republicans, not me. And yet yesterday, one of you was saying you would vote for him if he ran for President.
Comment by Kiload — July 4, 2007 @ 10:49 am
Like they said on the evening news last night, it would be nice if one of you would actually READ the summation.
You’re lying.
He NEVER said that.
He said that Libby made it IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL if a crime had been committed, by LYING.
He likened Libby to a player throwing SAND IN THE FACE OF THE UMPIRE, so the umpire cannot make the call.
So thanks Kilo. Thanks for demonstrating clearly how uninformed and uneducated the handful of mooks who still support the pig Bush, really are.
I’d try to make you look foolish, but obviously you don’t need my help.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:54 amRIGHT-WING MASTURBATORY GLOATING
The wingers who are gloating about Libby are simply indulging in “masturbatory gloating,” which is a thing that wingers do.
Wingnuts have a recurrent physiological need to gloat. If they can’t gloat, they get a psychological condition, similar to “blue balls,” in which they start fantasizing about shooting liberals. (Of course they’re all too chickensh*t to harm a hair on a liberal’s head, but never mind.)
Unfortunately for the Right, six years of Republican-induced megacatastrophes, have left them nothing whatsoever to gloat about.
So what do they do? They make up something to gloat about…and then gloat about it. It’s kind of funny and also rather disgusting.
You’ve probably noticed that the trolls who here will often make something up to gloat about–and then come here to gloat all over the place…
…about the thing they just made up. You’ve gotta love wingers!
Anyway, that’s why they’re gloating about one of their guys beating a prison rap, which is achingly pathetic.
But still better than listening to them bray about shooting liberals.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:55 amThe rethugs have a heck of a choice; a vicous immoral flip flopping mormon or a 2 twice divorced adulterous faux Catholic facist. My money is on the latter.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:59 amRomney is in a class to himself when it comes to say or do anything to get elected.
One needs to think that his Mormon upbringing has something to do with this.
He is contributing to the perception that Mormons really are a dangerous, non-Christian cult, not to be trusted.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:59 amMitt knows who’s butt to kiss. Mitt has two supporters he’s bringing to the White House who rape and molest children. Now if you thought Fingers Foley of the Christian Right was bad, Mitt has two guys that are worse. Why are all the child molesters part of the Christian Right. White House and those who hide behind God. We had a Pastor lie while doing this thing with Church money, Ralph Reed preaching the word of God while stealing, the Hammer who calls God on his cell phone and gets direction, now Mitt’s run for the Oval office includes an office for Petiphiles to get more children. Fingers Foley the poster Man for Petiphiles who can continue to molest children with the protection of the Attorney General and former Speaker of the House Hastert. Now Mitt will continue the program if elected. Fred Thompson and Mitt have allowed voters to know nothing will change in the White House if their elected. Corruption and child abuse will continue plus more stealing from the US Treasury this time for the Mormons to get their share.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:59 amBut only in certain numbers.
What does that 70% work out to when you split it Dem/Rep then factor in the percentage of your population that actually votes ?
Whatever attitute people *could* take with them to a voting booth it’s still the same distance from the couch it was last time.
You know… at the last presidential election… after the fearmongering, the Patriot act, Fahrenheit 9-11, the Iraq invasion known to have been based on lies, when all that Bush/Hitler rhetoric hype was at full steam.
And what did you manage ? 65% ? 68% ?
July 4th, 2007 at 10:59 amThat’s the end of Mitt’s candidacy!
July 4th, 2007 at 11:00 amRomney’s got a good chance at sewing up the 23% ‘ers with this show of support for Libby. The rest of the electorate? Not so much.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:01 amThe wingers who are gloating about Libby are simply indulging in “masturbatory gloating,†which is a thing that wingers do.
Comment by Perry Logan — July 4, 2007 @ 10:55 am
Let em. Its a fools gloat.
What the simpletons don’t realize, is that the commuting of Libby’s sentence was the worst move Bush could have made. It opened a floodgate of scruitiny that Bush won’t come back from.
By doing this, Bush tied himself to the Valerie Plame CIA leak, and that was the dumbest thing he could have done.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:02 amI’m happy that the Republics running for President can’t see what hypocrites they are. They are simply feeding their opponent and endless amount of information to use in campaign ads. I can see the anti Romney ad:
Mitt Romney – tough on crime, didn’t pardon one person while governor of Massachusetts. But he thinks that Bush’s commuting Libby’s sentence was “reasonable”. Can he spell HYpOCRITE !
I have a question about Mitt Romney. Why are Democrats and the MSM not pointing out how little political experience he has. The sum total of his political experience was one four year term as a Governor. The Republics and the MSM say that Obama is not experienced enough even though he spent eight years in the state legislature and has been a Senator for 4 years. So, why is Obama not qualified for lack of experience but Romney is?
July 4th, 2007 at 11:03 amAre you retarded ?
What bearing does how misinformed you think this position is have on you hearing this for the next 20 years every time you bring it up ?
If you like I’ll say that I completely don’t believe what I just wrote without claiming I did. Wanna see how much difference that makes ?
July 4th, 2007 at 11:04 amGet the point now nimrod ?
What a hypocrite!
He is the clay candidate – by that I mean, he can be molded to fit the repugnican stance of the day.
Like GW himself, who never met a criminal he couldn’t execute, Romney and “christians” like him leave me cold.
I’d like to see a president who had no religious affiliation in power one day – a truly secular person, of morality, integrity and honesty – who doesn’t need a big man in the sky to tell him how live – he just knows.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:04 am“And what did you manage ? 65% ? 68% ?”
Comment by Kilo
With a big hand from the SCLM. They faithfully transmitted every administration talking point.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:04 amRomney will be in the VP slot of a Giuliani ticket.
Giuliani will do a show with Mitt. He’ll put on a dress and they’ll do a song & dance called “Pardon us.”
July 4th, 2007 at 11:06 amhahahahaha
libby will be dragged back into court.
and the judge is driving to have bush’s council present to explain how the current prescription of law fit’s the president’s worldview.
this is going to be funny, cause that’s when fitz get to pose the question, in open public forum – cameras rolling, limelite blazing – isn’t this a conflict of interest for the president’s office to commute this individual?
get out the popcorn, cheney just burned the house of cards.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:07 amHe is contributing to the perception that Mormons really are a dangerous, non-Christian cult, not to be trusted.
Comment by steve — July 4, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Well thats too bad, cause they’re not.
The Mormon faith centers around Jesus and his teachings, and adheres closer to those teachings than most churches today, particularly Catholicism.
Harry Reid is a mormon too, and is a far better representative of the mormons that Romney ever will be.
Romney is whats known among LDS members, as a “Jack Mormon”, which is an old term used to describe members of the church who only attended out of peer pressure and social acceptance. Romney believes in the mormon church about as much as he believes in doing the right thing over the popular thing.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:07 am“Were these sentences for obstruction of justice where there was no underlying prosecution obstructed ?”
Kilo, your critical thinking skills are certainly lacking. The reason why there was no prosecution for the underlying crime is because of Libby’s obstruction. And, Libby also committed a crime, he outed an undercover CIA agent. I don’t care if he was the first one to do it, he still did it. And I firmly believe that Fitzpatrick has been in on the fix from the start. That is why he didn’t prosecute anyone for outing Valerie Plame, a covert CIA officer. And before you start arguing that she was not covert, please answer this question. If she was not covert, why did she need a cover company, Brewster Jennings, which Libby and Co. also outed.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:07 amRomney is why our public schools are in such sad shape. He’ll bash all the others in the system, but, if his little boy is caught being a bully and expelled, he’ll scream blue-murder.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:08 am> Romney is a truly scary character.
> He has the same modus operandi as the Bush cabal, and he is much more
> calculating and cruel.
> He also has some intelligence, which makes him all the more dangerous.
So if he gets too close to the crown jewels, will Dick have to apply a little arsenic?
July 4th, 2007 at 11:09 amActually, dipsh*t, Massachusetts is two things. First, it’s a spelling test…ignorant asses like you who can’t even spell it don’t get to comment on it. Second, it’s an example(Concord and Lexington) of the right way to deal with kings (or wannabees) named George. Strap yourself to a firecracker and set it off to celebrate the Fourth.
Comment by Tim
Actually, I did spell it correctly. Also, have you provided no factual backup to rebut my claims. I can most certainly comment on the one of the most radically socialist high-tax hell holes in the U.S. The state has its own lousy kings and wannabees with trademark ™ presidential losers to be dealt with.
Come back with some real talk instead of talking-points that require censorship.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:10 amWhat bearing does how misinformed you think this position is have on you hearing this for the next 20 years every time you bring it up ?
If you like I’ll say that I completely don’t believe what I just wrote without claiming I did. Wanna see how much difference that makes ?
Get the point now nimrod ?
Comment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Get the point?
Was there a point in that mangled jumble of adjectives and letters?
I’m sorry, but without some sort of Rosetta Stone, I can’t decipher your “hill speak”, or whatever you call it.
If there was a coherent thought in there, or a grammatically correct sentence, then it is well disguised.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:11 amIf you like I’ll say that I completely don’t believe what I just wrote
Comment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 11:04 am
I am not even sure if you completely “know” what you just wrote.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:12 amEvery candidate the crime family party puts forward is nothing but an asshat. They are all in a race to the bottom to dwell with their base…the bottom feeding base, the 26% too ignorant to jump ship.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:13 amThis man will be a great President.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:14 amThis man will be a great President.
Comment by moron12 — July 4, 2007 @ 11:14 am
Of the Rotary Club.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:16 am#40
No, of the United States.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:18 amHe can be president of the Crawford Chamber of Commerce
July 4th, 2007 at 11:18 amDots Connected:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
all of the links provided there worked at one time.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:19 ammost have subsequently been disabled.
too much truth in one place for the Plutocrats to tolerate.
#40
No, of the United States.
Comment by missingfromaction12 — July 4, 2007 @ 11:18 am
No.
The Rotary Club.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:19 amHe can schmooz all those old ladies.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:19 amAt the top of the food chain in America, David Rockefeller.
GHW Bush works for him, and Cheney works for “Poppy.”
David Rockefeller & Dick Cheney:
American Traitors…
Cheney laughs about lying to his constituents in order to get elected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdxLYuvvbgs&NR
July 4th, 2007 at 11:21 amRomney’s got about as much chance of becoming President of the United States, as my left nut.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:21 amYour left one has a better chance than your right one….
July 4th, 2007 at 11:23 amRemember when these trolls used to come in and scream about their good poll numbers?
Now the polls suddenly aren’t important to them, since no one in America supports Bush anymore, but them.
The whole country has turned on this corrupt pigs, and the little corrupt piglets who carry his water. Buttlicking worms, who will get ground up in the wheels of democracy.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:24 amYour left one has a better chance than your right one….
Comment by Raven — July 4, 2007 @ 11:23 am
True. Perhaps I should run it.
I’d have more support than Romney, ..if I wear a jockstrap.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:26 amNo they’re not. They’re fkn fantastic. That’s why I be proven correct a million times over the next year alone. And you can’t pretend I won’t be because we’ve already clocked 10s of thousands and it’s only day 2.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:28 am“He can schmooz all those old ladies.”
Comment by BARTLEBEE
How about a Mormon Max Bialystock? He could really add some flavor to the role, if The Producers ever becomes a roadshow…
July 4th, 2007 at 11:30 amThat’s why I be proven correct a million times over the next year alone. And you can’t pretend I won’t be because we’ve already clocked 10s of thousands and it’s only day 2.
Comment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 11:28 am
:|
Once again, sans a Rosetta Stone or some kind of decoder ring, we’re afraid your, um, words, are lost on those of us who speak english.
Perhaps you could enroll in night school and come back when you can form cohesive sentences and paragraphs that actually mean something.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:32 amKatie, Kilo is a practicing Acerebralist™. ;)
You’re only going to get a headache and make yourself mad by responding to it. Your toaster-oven could put up a better argument.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:34 am“And you can’t pretend I won’t be because we’ve already clocked 10s of thousands and it’s only day 2.”
Comment by Kilo
Dyslexic sentence structure, should read:
“…because we’ve already clocked 2 and it’s only post 10,000.”
July 4th, 2007 at 11:34 amMitt always adopts both sides of every issue. Soon he’ll say he doesn’t support Bush’s Libby commutation.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:34 amI’m guessing the Society for Couch Lethargy Maximisation ?
Nobody had a talking point that made 40% of the population of the US stay at home.
FFS the talking point of Sunni militants was you’d get your head cut off if you voted and the Iraqis still had a bigger turnout than the US on a day when all vehicles were banned from the roads.
What talking point would you pretend compared ? Was there a “Don’t vote and we’ll give you an iPod” flyer that I wasn’t aware of ?
July 4th, 2007 at 11:35 amHow about a Mormon Max Bialystock? He could really add some flavor to the role, if The Producers ever becomes a roadshow…
Comment by barfly — July 4, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Hmm, he’d do better in the role of Franz Liebkind.
Typecasting, you know?
July 4th, 2007 at 11:36 amWell… I am GAD HE SAID IT!
He’s taking the McCain route now; saying the opposite of what even the majority of his own party wants to hear. Expanding Gitmo, supporting the war, and now defending Libby. These are things only supported by the lunatic extremists on the right.
Though in this day an age, it’s almost correct to say ANYONE on the right is a lunatic. But the more Romney says crazy stuff like this, the more he hurts his chances at winning.
And the best part is, Republican presidential runners are so F-ed in the head, that even if they read something like this, they will continue to do it anyway. You can not talk sense into a Republican presidential candidate.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:37 amAnd you’re suffering from plain old denial.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:39 amBut the more Romney says crazy stuff like this, the more he hurts his chances at winning.
Comment by Anonymous By Choice — July 4, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Exactly.
He’s only catering to the conservative base, which right now consists of Messiah U alumni and 3 guys living in a trailer outside of Demoin.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:39 amYou can not talk sense into a Republican presidential candidate.
Comment by Anonymous By Choice — July 4, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Because in their minds, “sense” is not a requirement for the job. “Belief” is.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:40 amBlind Belief ay Wayne?
Shut up, get in line, and follow the leader.
Just like good serfs always do.
No thinkers need apply.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:42 amAnd you’re suffering from plain old denial.
Comment by Kilobotomy — July 4, 2007 @ 11:39 am
Thats right.
And we’ll start by denying you the presidency.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:44 amSays the man who recommends 911truth.org on his blog.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:47 am“Nobody had a talking point that made 40% of the population of the US stay at home.
a talking point? Thanks for demonstrating that ol’ troll willful ignorance. No, one talking point by itself wouldn’t do much politically. But a steady barrage, often with false and misleading information? Another story entirely.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:48 amSays the man who recommends 911truth.org on his blog.
Comment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 11:47 am
You don’t like websites with the word “truth” in them, do you?
July 4th, 2007 at 11:49 amReally ? And I was just about to announce I was running.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:50 amIf you like I’ll say that I completely don’t believe what I just wrote without claiming I did. Wanna see how much difference that makes ?
Get the point now nimrod ?
Comment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 11:04 am
A vivid demonstration of how little right-wingers value truth when it collides with their beliefs and desires.
It doesn’t matter what the truth is; it only matters that Republics win.
No wonder they feel so comfortable deriding those of us in the “reality-based community”. The question is, why do they think that is the best way to make decisions about governing?
July 4th, 2007 at 11:53 amWill you have bumper stickers that read
“2008 Kilo For All!”
July 4th, 2007 at 11:53 am?
Anyone with sense knows this libby thing is a cover your ass move by chimpy. chimpy and shooter are in their last throes…
July 4th, 2007 at 11:55 amromney is an idiot…a do anything, say anything candidate. Which pretty much sums up all the repug candidates.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:56 amMy, that was a witty response.
No, actually it was a comment about you clearly being a poor judge of what constitutes someone making a good argument.
http://www.therewasnomoonlanding.com doesn’t have the word truth in the title, yet the same principle applies. Take some time, figure out what it is.
July 4th, 2007 at 11:57 amReally ? And I was just about to announce I was running.
Comment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Oh, look. Kilo’s learning.
Nice attempt at humor my little green friend.
Now if you can just work on the english thingy, you’ll be on your way to becoming a good little troll.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:00 pmComment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Whatever. You are entirely unpersuasive, as most Acerebralists are.
But, assuming that you are an American, do have a safe and happy Independence Day celebration.
I’ve got a lawn to mow.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:00 pmSuper. Well I’m okay with that state of affairs.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:01 pmLet’s see if you are over the days, weeks, months and years ahead.
“No they’re not. They’re fkn fantastic. That’s why I be proven correct a million times over the next year alone. And you can’t pretend I won’t be because we’ve already clocked 10s of thousands and it’s only day 2. Comment by Kilo”
You not only need a class in critical thinking, you also need a remedial English class. I’m sure your local Junior College has both of these classes. Do yourself a favor and take them if you ever want to make something of yourself in this life. BTW, how old are you. Your writings make you seem like you are maybe 10.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:01 pmMitt Romney is a joke.
An empty suit up for sale to the highest bidder.
And if these mooks think he’s got a chance at the RNC nod, then I’m all for it.
Put him out there, and we’ll make mince meat out of him.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:02 pmchimpy’s commutation of libby’s sentence is an outrage to our judicial system. Repugs talk about how they are all about law and order. What a joke. Libby obstructed the Plame investigation from his first statements to the FBI to cover shooters fat ass. Justice was served and chimpy abused his office (again) by his actions on Monday.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWe can crow all we want about Romney’s hypocrisy over this matter.
But what is really important is that when you place the two cases side-by-side — an Iraq War vet who wants a pardon for an assault conviction from when he was thirteen years old so that he can become a police officer, juxtaposed with a high-ranking administration official convicted of four felony counts, including obstruction of justice — the fact that Romney saw fit to deny the former yet claims the latter commutation is “reasonable” speaks volumes about his judgment and decision-making ability.
After six and a half years of Chimpy, all I really want in the Oval office is a president who reaches conclusions that most American can find reasonable. Apparently, Romney ain’t it.
And given the support of all of the Republic candidates for this commutation, neither is any of the rest of them.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWell I’m okay with that state of affairs.
Comment by Kilobe — July 4, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
“state of affairs” is an accurate description.
The Bush administration has been one major affair after the next, and I don’t mean the Clinton kind.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:04 pmWhat a canard! “Were these sentences for obstruction of justice where there was no underlying prosecution obstructed ?” The obstruction was successful and is on-going, the commutation being part and parcel! What a false cause argument!!! That obstruction of justice is OK if there’s no prosecution! The gravity of the obstruction depends on the crime, not a subsequent or successful prosecution. The crime was grave and the cover up graver still.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:05 pmYou not only need a class in critical thinking, you also need a remedial English class. I’m sure your local Junior College has both of these classes. Do yourself a favor and take them if you ever want to make something of yourself in this life.
Comment by Katie — July 4, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
I think in order to enroll in Junior College wouldn’t he have to first demonstrate at least a 6th grade reading level?
I’d start him off with a good “Hooked on Phonics” course and take it from there.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI take it “the crown jewels” doesn’t carry the same euphemism in the US that it does everywhere else.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:08 pm“romney is an idiot…a do anything, say anything candidate.”
I have to agree. But so was John Kerry.
Fred or Rudy is going to be the next president.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:09 pmwhen you place the two cases side-by-side — an Iraq War vet who wants a pardon for an assault conviction from when he was thirteen years old so that he can become a police officer, juxtaposed with a high-ranking administration official convicted of four felony counts, including obstruction of justice — the fact that Romney saw fit to deny the former yet claims the latter commutation is “reasonable†speaks volumes about his judgment and decision-making ability.
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Thats right. It speaks volumes to his hypocrisy.
Like the pig Bush, who refused to commute the death penalty for a mentally handicapped person yet commutes his pal Libby, Romney is a hypocrite of the worst kind.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:10 pmMitt Romney is a joke.
An empty suit up for sale to the highest bidder.
And if these mooks think he’s got a chance at the RNC nod, then I’m all for it.
Put him out there, and we’ll make mince meat out of him.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 4, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
I understand what you’re saying, Bartlebee, but I figured the same thing in 2000 when the Republics nominated an inarticulate, inexperienced governor from Texas who had been a failure in virtually everything that he had ever attempted to accomplish on his own in life. Never underestimate the power of the right-wing spin machine and the willingness of the corporate media to repeat its talking points.
I’ll grant you that the environment has changed. Back then, America was in a pretty good mood after eight years of Clinton-Gore peace and prosperity, and the Republics could focus on non-issues, which is their strength. Now they have a real record to run against, and it’s a millstone around their necks. The nation’s mood has soured on so many levels and Republics have proven to be terrible at governing.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:10 pmHappy Independence day – enjoy
July 4th, 2007 at 12:11 pmThe Bush administration has been one major affair after the next, and I don’t mean the Clinton kind.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 4, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Life would be grand if all we had to worry about in this world was whether Bill got a bj last night.
We have the chimperor…starting wars, getting people killed, trampling our constitution…and the list goes on and on.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:11 pmFred or Rudy is going to be the next president.
Comment by Jessie Suxtons — July 4, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
LMAO.
Sure genius, sure. Fred Thompson, the dried up has been actor, or Rudy, the lib loving transvestite, lol.
They’ve got even less of a chance of being elected, than Romney does.
Face it pal. You’ll be dancing to a democrats tune for the next few decades.
Deal with it.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:13 pmYeah. You know what you see a lot of among well educated people on forums ? Comments about the spelling and grammar of others.
Yes that’s right, I’m lying.
As everyone who’s been on the internet more than 5mins knows, that’s pretty much just the fall-back option for anyone without the ability to post a better criticism in a discussion.
Now come up with creative ways to merge the names Bush and Hitler and then it’s nap time kids.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:14 pm“Back then, America was in a pretty good mood after eight years of Clinton-Gore peace and prosperity”
Why did Al Gore refuse to campaign with Bill Clinton? If things were so great, why did he seem embarassed of him?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:14 pmIt’ll be a cold day in hell before a republican is elected to anything higher than dog catcher.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:15 pm“Fred Thompson, the dried up has been actor, or Rudy, the lib loving transvestite, lol.”
They will both whip Hillary.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:15 pmJust for fun, who did you predict to win the last presidential election ?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“Fred Thompson, the dried up has been actor, or Rudy, the lib loving transvestite, lol.â€
They will both whip Hillary.
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
They couldn’t whip cream.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:17 pmFred or Rudy is going to be the next president.
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
This qualifies you as the grand prize winner of the think progress “idiot of the day” award. Wear the crown proudly. Next…
July 4th, 2007 at 12:18 pm“It’ll be a cold day in hell before a republican is elected to anything higher than dog catcher.”
I remember during the 2004 election liberals on blogs like this were saying John Kerry was going to be the next president. How did that work out?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:18 pmRudy has a 60% approval rating. Hillary has a net negative rating. She’s going down.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:19 pmBush has given all of America a touchstone here: If you support the rule of law and the jury system you can not also support the president’s logic and his decision to go against the will of the people. Anyone who claims bush was right does not support the rule of law, it’s that simple. Every repub, from presidential cantidate, to tvpundit, to congressional leader, to common troll can either support the rule of law or support tyranny, you can’t do both.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:20 pmThen you’ll be that uphappy!!! every time you hear it.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:20 pmWhy should we waste any time or energy on ANY of the candidates the republics put up? After the big “Phuck U” cheney and his handpuppet dubya has done to their party, they might be lucky to get within double digits of any candidate the Dems put up.
But the Trolls will never figure that out, til after January, 09.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:21 pmPat and kasinca are the same person. Just for your information.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:21 pmBut keep ramping up for a Hilary campaign.
That way, when the real Democratic candidate is given the nod, you guys will be as unprepared to combat him as Bush was for the presidency.
Face it losers. You’re a global joke.
The entire world is laughing at you, and your 7 years of power have made you more hated by your own countrymen, and the entire population of the planet, than we could have ever done.
People hate you, and no ones voting for you.
Not now. Not ten years from now.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:21 pm“Anyone who claims bush was right does not support the rule of law, it’s that simple.”
Except Libby got a $250k fine. 2 years probation. And a felony on his record. The rule of law was followed. These are all harsher penalties than Bill Clinton or Sandy Berger got when they lied under oath and obstructed justice.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:23 pmJessie, all in all, it worked out horribly for the huge majority of the citizens of this country, including you.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:23 pmRudy has a 60% approval rating. Hillary has a net negative rating. She’s going down.
Comment by Jessie Suxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
What a poor rube you are, hoping, no…. PRAYING, for a Hilary run.
Maybe you should donate to her dumbass, cause no one else in here is.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:24 pmWhen running for President against either a black man or a woman ? In the US ?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:24 pmBut keep ramping up for a Hilary campaign.
That way, when the real Democratic candidate is given the nod, you guys will be as unprepared to combat him as Bush was for the presidency.
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Hillary is going to be the Democrat nominee. And the Repubilcans will defeat her. What are you going to do when she gets the Democrat nod? Vote for her, vote for Nader, or stay home?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:24 pmI remember during the 2004 election liberals on blogs like this were saying John Kerry was going to be the next president. How did that work out?
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Tell us all how the last 7 years of chimpy has worked out for you and our country. This should be good…
July 4th, 2007 at 12:25 pm“What a poor rube you are, hoping, no…. PRAYING, for a Hilary run.”
She’s going to win every primary. There’s no doubt about it. You may not support her now, but what are you going to do when she gets the nomination and you have bad mouthed her? Vote for Rudy?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:26 pmYou keep praying for a Hillary run Suxton, and we’ll see your dumb ass in 08.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:26 pm#106 But you forget that Jessie and her fellow Blind Believers have no concept of the sh!tstorm her Boyz in the WH have blown across the US and the world.
Kinda like the German people during the reign of Hitler or the trolls at Jamestown, as they drank the Kool-aid.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:27 pm“Tell us all how the last 7 years of chimpy has worked out for you and our country. This should be good…”
No terrorist attacks on our soil since 9/11.
A good economy with tax cuts.
Solid federal judges.
I’d vote for Bush again.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:27 pm“You keep praying for a Hillary run Suxton, and we’ll see your dumb ass in 08.”
I know she is going to be the Democrat nominee and so do you. Obama can’t beat her.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:28 pmbut what are you going to do when she gets the nomination and you have bad mouthed her? Vote for Rudy?
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
Rudy?
Well, at least I’d have the choice between two female candidates for president.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:28 pmAre you asking why TP runs negative stories about Republican candidates given that there is a 0 in 1 billion chance that this will change the mind or vote of anyone who reads it here ?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:28 pmThat’s a very valid point and so far unexplained.
I know she is going to be the Democrat nominee and so do you. Obama can’t beat her.
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Lol.
No, you’re praying she is going to be the Democrat nominee.
Wait and see dumbass.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:29 pmLOL. Speaking of surprise last minute entrants to the Presidential race.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:30 pmA woman is said to have asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?â€
Benjamin Franklin replied, “A Republic, if you can keep it.â€
We have lived through the end of the Republic and the birth of the Unitary Executive. Republican candidates, masters of doublethink and all that entails play to crowds who cheer when they speak of torturing people in fictitious “doomsday” scenarios.
“So this is how democracy ends. To thunderous applause.”
What has become of the Republican base? They are no longer people who respect the rule of law; who demand smaller, less intrusive government. The Republican base cheers for Big Brother; intrusions into our private lives; into decisions between a doctor and patient; indiscriminatly eavesdrops on citizens; incarcerates “enemy combatants” indefinitly, suspending habeas corpus, while commuting sentences of convicted felons who work in the White House.
The Republican base demands fiscal responsibility, when it comes to social programs, while cheering endless debt for war; endless profit through no-bid contracts given to politically connected corporations; and the creation of perpetual dynasties to 1.5% of the population.
The Republican base condems abortion while cheering for the assassination of a Supreme Court Justice, foreign heads of State, and journalists who disagree with their views.
The Republican base stands for hatred and intolerance, and the use of force to impose thier will upon everyone else. And, in classic doublethink, they do this all in the name of Christ.
Doctor Franklin, thank you for the Republic, the grand experiment. It has reached its nadir. We now have a Unitary Executive, and leadership in Congress unwilling to even attempt impeachment. We are a Republic now in name only.
Unitary Executive – Monarchy, what’s in a name? A Rose, by any other name, still has thorns.
This “Independence Day” would be a good day to fly our flags at half mast, and upside down.
Peace.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:31 pmRudy?
Well, at least I’d have the choice between two female candidates for president.
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Rudy puts all the northeastern states in play.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:31 pm#117 Because it is fun to see how you respond.
And as I said, the proof will be in the final count, but it is like watching a sporting event, just that the outcome impacts everyone in a much more profound way.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:31 pmIt is truly hilarious to watch wingers flounder to muster some kind of talking points-esque argument to counter the backlash on this commutation. Check out this sad soul desperately attempting to bring Clinton into the argument.
They don’t seem to realize that we on the Left do not hold the same flavor of fanatical devotion to our leaders as they do, so arguments that Dems have acted similarly just do not wash.
America was founded on the rule of law. We need to get back on course before we lose sight of our nation’s greatness forever.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI’d vote for Bush again.
Comment by Jessie Suxone — July 4, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Lol.
When you’re finished licking his anus, start on Cheney. He’s bending over for you now.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“When you’re finished licking his anus, start on Cheney. He’s bending over for you now.”
That’s disgusting.
You wore your kneepads through 8 years of Clinton’s term.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:33 pmRudy puts all the northeastern states in play.
Comment by Jessie Suxone — July 4, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
I don’t know about all that, but I did hear he’s going to star in a play.
La Cage Aux Folles.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:33 pmRudy would beat Hillary in New Jersey, and come pretty close in New York.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:35 pmYou wore your kneepads through 8 years of Clinton’s term.
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I know you are but what am I, ay?
Unfortunately for you I am not a democrat, never voted for Bill Clinton, and didn’t even pay attention to politics until you worms elected the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler to destroy our country.
It can be said Bush did accomplish one thing.
He rallied the politically apathetic demograph of our country to rally against him and the worms like you, who carry his water.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pm#127 Rudy would beat Hillary in New Jersey, and come pretty close in New York. Comment by Jessie Saxton
That’s only because he has better legs and looks better in a dress!
July 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pmObama’s a nice guy. But most Dems or a plurality are going to vote for Hillary because she has more experience.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:37 pmIs that really your best guess at what I was saying ?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:37 pmMaybe have a look around, notice you’re posting in year another thread in mid-2007 where you’re making the same defenses of Sandy Berger you have done for every week for the past 3 years.
Then have a think about it again.
“He rallied the politically apathetic demograph of our country to rally against him and the worms like you, who carry his water.”
Hillary is going to do the same thing. She is even more polorizing than Bush. You are going to see more people come out and vote against her in the general than you can believe.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:39 pmOne things for sure.
The right wing is scared. Really, really scared.
The fact that on a national holiday, the trolls are in here frantically trying to hold back the floodgates, is a testament to their desperation.
They’re terrified, cause they know the parties over.
The Nazi party that is.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:39 pm#131 Is that the best you can do… compare everything to Clinton? How sad your world must be!!
Do you have ANY idea on what your Boyz & Girlz have done or do you like to live in the past?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:40 pmHillary is going to do the same thing. She is even more polorizing than Bush. You are going to see more people come out and vote against her in the general than you can believe.
Comment by knucklehead — July 4, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Sure chucklehead, sure. Like I said, your desperation for Hilary, who doesn’t have a prayer at the DNC nod, is quite telling.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:41 pm“The fact that on a national holiday, the trolls are in here frantically trying to hold back the floodgates, is a testament to their desperation.”
Why would I want to debate somebody who agrees with me? There is no fun in that. So I come here. I’m not sure you were referring to me, though.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:42 pmReally scraping the bottom of the barrel fro troll this July 4th.
Kilo, the pseudo-intellectual, who hasn’t a clue or a moral fiber; and
Jessie Saxton/John Sacks who is a simple ignorant sheep.
*sigh*
July 4th, 2007 at 12:43 pm“Like I said, your desperation for Hilary, who doesn’t have a prayer at the DNC nod, is quite telling.”
She leads every single Democrat poll.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:43 pmIs that really your best guess at what I was saying ?
Comment by Silo — July 4, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
Well gee, you have to admit without some sort of Rosetta Stone, its hard for anyone to know what you’re saying.
What’s your best guess at what you were saying?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:43 pmWhereas if you did hold the same unwaivering fanatical devotion to the last Democrat president, then you would defend him and claim that he didn’t act similarly.
Sorry… what was the distinction you were making ?
That you are capable of criticizing Clinton and admitting his errors ?
That’d be something new here. Last month we had a 300 post thread where people wouldn’t even admit the Clinton had an NSA and CIA in common with Bush. Demands of proof that they existed pre-2001.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:46 pm#137 Really scraping the bottom of the barrel fro troll this July 4th.
Kilo, the pseudo-intellectual, who hasn’t a clue or a moral fiber; and
Jessie Saxton/John Sacks who is a simple ignorant sheep.
*sigh*
Comment by Zooey
Yea, Zoo kinda takes the fun out, doesn’t it?
They may be the second team trolls, but they are our second team trolls.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:46 pmWhy would I want to debate somebody who agrees with me? There is no fun in that. So I come here.
Comment by Jessie Suxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Well, I appreciate how difficult it is for you to find someone who agrees with you.
But when are you going to start debating?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:47 pmAt least the inane Mr. Seizure has taken the day off, he must have crashed awful hard.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:50 pmOn the other hand, what joy do you get posting comments back and forth with people who only agree with you? Is there some kind of thrill to see who hates Bush more?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:50 pmYou know Romney is a total c*cksucker.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:51 pmAnother trait you’ll see among highly intelligent participants in a discussion is the copy/pasting of the same joke 3 or more times, with the intention that would endure as a clever response.
Such practice in no way indicates a limited capacity for creative thinking.
Again, I’m lying, as everyone other than you appreciates.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:52 pmJessie Saxon keeps insisting that her opinion is correct, even in the absence of any analysis explaining why. “Rudy will beat Hillary in NJ” Why? NJ is solid blue and Hillary is a senator in a neighboring state, so she gets plenty of press coverage.
And Jessie’s insistence that Rudy has a “60% favorability rating” is unconvincing, given her history of quoting statistics inaccurately and without attribution. Not the best track record, there, Jessie.
Zooey’s assessment in post #137 sounds about right to me.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:52 pmShe leads every single Democrat poll.
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
You’re an idiot. Obama has raised singlehandedly more money than Clinton, and from more supporters.
That translates into grass roots support.
But whats more important, is its only July 2007.
Its a long time to the election. Wait and see.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:52 pmHillary had a very sizable lead over Obama in the latest Newsweek poll. How is he going to overcome that and land the Democrat nomination?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:52 pmAgain, I’m lying,
Comment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
So thats your best guess ay?
Ok.
I’ll accept that.
You’re lying.
But we still don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
At least we have that in common.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:54 pm“Obama has raised singlehandedly more money than Clinton, and from more supporters.”
So did Howard Dean when he ran in ‘04.
Listen, dumbass, Dems are going to vote for the Clintons. They are a machine. And why shouldn’t they, if everything was so peaceful and prosperous during his term?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pmRomney as I understand got a religious deferment from Vietnam. Couldn’t help laughing. Another self serving chickenhawk puke.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHow is he going to overcome that and land the Democrat nomination?
Comment by Political Genius — July 4, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Yea, with only over a year to go, how the hell can he ever bump the curve?
:|
I hope they’re not paying you too much.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:56 pmHillary had a very sizable lead over Obama in the latest Newsweek poll. How is he going to overcome that and land the Democrat nomination?
Comment by Jessie Saxton
Because of Megaphone software. It automatically finds all polls on the internet sites, automatically votes, changes IP addresses, then votes more. The user does not have control over which vote gets cast.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:56 pmHere’s something to drive the trolls battier:
http://tinyurl.com/25v5kb
The trolls will no doubt claim, suddenly, that fundraising doesn’t matter, blah blah blah, but the trend is very clear.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:56 pm“Another self serving chickenhawk puke.”
Did Hillary or Obama serve in the military?
July 4th, 2007 at 12:57 pmAnother trait you’ll see among highly intelligent participants in a discussion is the copy/pasting of the same joke 3 or more times
Comment by Kilow — July 4, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Fascinating.
Please show us just 1 example where I copied and pasted the “same joke”.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:58 pmYea, Zoo kinda takes the fun out, doesn’t it?
They may be the second team trolls, but they are our second team trolls.
Comment by upside00
Ever the optimist, upside00! :)
They be YOUR second team trolls, cuz I’m outta here soon.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:58 pmDon’t break ‘em, they probably have no back up available. :D
what joy do you get posting comments back and forth with people who only agree with you? Is there some kind of thrill to see who hates Bush more?
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Ah, yes, the black/white, either/or mentality of the wingnut. If there is no one who disagrees with you, then you must get “joy” out of conversing with people who see the world exactly the same as you do.
To the binary wingnut “mind” the only possibilities are that one a) gets off on arguing or b) gets off on an echo chamber.
Wingnuts don’t consider the possibilities that there are more than two ways of looking at the world and that people could benefit from hearing many perspectives. Maybe that’s because they are incapable of processing any thought other than the party line.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:58 pm#151 But the republics worship those kind….after all, the entire WH Cabal are of the same ilk. And other than mccain, all their current candidates are too.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“Yea, with only over a year to go, how the hell can he ever bump the curve?”
The first primaries are only 6 months away. If you’re guy is waiting a year to make his move, he’s toast. Obama has never taken a lead over Hillary in any poll, and he never will. I doubt most Democrats would vote for an african american anyway.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:00 pmDid Hillary or Obama serve in the military?
Comment by Jessie Crappedon — July 4, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Tell us about George Bush’s illustrious military career, where he snorted crack with James Bath and went AWOL.
Tell us about Dick Cheney, the great warrior, who talks a good fight, but ran not once, but SIX times from war.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:00 pmHonestly.. I have no idea how anybody can even take Romney seriously anymore. He’s more of a partisan toe-the-party-line hack than anybody in Congress or the Bush Admin! He’s a pretty sickening dude, actually.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pm“Wingnuts don’t consider the possibilities that there are more than two ways of looking at the world and that people could benefit from hearing many perspectives.”
With all due respect, everybody here all has the same perspective. I’ve seen nothing but lock-step marching. And I mean that with all civility.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:02 pmRomney probably smells real purdy.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:02 pmDid Hillary or Obama serve in the military?
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Obama has been against the Iraq war from the start. Hillary voted to give the President the authority he sought, but neither has actively promoted the war.
Oh, wait, I forgot — you’e not very bright and don’t understand that the second part of “chickenhawk” is the “hawk” thing — that is, one who enthusiastically supports war. You can be forgiven.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:02 pmZoo,
Good to see you again today and have a glorious 4th. Gotta get my bike ride training in before the heat gets too unbearable!
Peace!!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:02 pmWhy ? Do you think it will impact on their election prospects ?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmTell us about George Bush’s illustrious military career, where he snorted crack with James Bath and went AWOL.
Tell us about Dick Cheney, the great warrior, who talks a good fight, but ran not once, but SIX times from war.
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Looking at ‘08, what is the military experience of Hillary Clinton or Obama?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmRomney’s a peice of garbage. Another chickenhawk like Bush and Cheney, who when their time came to prove their mettle in combat, ran like the silver spooned wealthy elite cowards, that they are.
Bush is a coward.
Cheney is a bigger coward.
And Romney is a joke.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmWith all due respect, everybody here all has the same perspective. I’ve seen nothing but lock-step marching. And I mean that with all civility.
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
You see what you want to see. That’s also a wingnut attribute. And I mean that with all due respect.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pmObama has been against the Iraq war from the start. Hillary voted to give the President the authority he sought, but neither has actively promoted the war.
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Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and all of the funding.
Obama supported the Kosovo campaigns and the war in Afghanistan.
They are both chickenhawks.
Neither one of them served in the military. Unless you know something that I don’t.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmLooking at ‘08, what is the military experience of Hillary Clinton or Obama?
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
First, please tell us about Mitt Romneys (you know, the guy this thread is abouit) illustrious military career.
I’m waiting.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:06 pmUnless you know something that I don’t.
Comment by Jessie Saxton
Hint: Try not to make it so totally easy for us. M’kay?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:07 pmLooking at ‘08, what is the military experience of Hillary Clinton or Obama?
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
They have none.
Looking at ‘08, what is the military experience of Romney, Giuliani or Thompson?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:07 pmAnd one more time Jesse, you pinheaded weasal, I do NOT support Hilary Clinton, nor do I support Barak Obama.
So your tired attempts at framing my position because you’re too inbred stupid to deal with reality, are moot.
You can’t debate me, so you invent a position for me, then debate it.
In other words, you’re “debating” yourself.
Just like you do with the vaseline.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pm“And one more time Jesse, you pinheaded weasal, I do NOT support Hilary Clinton, nor do I support Barak Obama.”
Which Democrat do you support?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pmJessie,
I am a combat vet of Vietnam and was against that war for many of the same reasons that I am against this one. I find Hillary’s position deplorable and am not a supporter of hers and wasn’t a blind supporter of Bill’s either. The problem I see in most of the right wingers is the blind support of the Iraq invasion. If you are one of those, please tell me why you think we were right in going in originally and why we are right to be there now?
Also, have you served, or do you have family that has?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pmOh yea, and tough talking Dick Cheney is a coward who ran from war 6 times, and now sends others off to fight wars he starts, but is too afraid to fight in.
Because the whole world knows Dick Cheney’s a coward.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:11 pmAnother characteristic displayed by the highly intelligent is a lack of short term memory. In the most exceptional subjects this may even to the inability to recall what they themselves have written only 15minutes prior.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and all of the funding.
Obama supported the Kosovo campaigns and the war in Afghanistan.
They are both chickenhawks.
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
I’ll try to dumb this down so you can understand: “chickenhawk” is a term usually reserved for those who actively promote military solution, but who are reluctant to fight themselves.
Obama was too young to be drafted for Vietnam, and Hillary, as a woman, was ineligible. Moreover, neither of them can be said to be “hawkish”. Voting for funding for troops in wartime is hardly a hawkish act.
Your top players, however, Rudy and Fred, were both eligible for the draft and both sough and received deferments. Neither served in the military, yet both have staked enthusiastic pro-war positions against a nation that never attacked us and had no capability to attack us. They are, as are most Republics, “hawks”.
It is first necessary to be a “hawk” in order to be a “chickenhawk”. See the connection? “Hawk” –> “Chickenhawk”.
Now, I know this is a lot to take in, so by all means, take the rest of the day off and let your mind (such as it is) absorb it, so that maybe next time you won’t make yourself look so foolish. And I mean that with all due respect.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:16 pm“Moreover, neither of them can be said to be “hawkishâ€. ”
Hillary was trying to position herself as hawkish, she voted for the war, won’t say her vote was a mistake. I’m not sure what she is doing now. She has fliped and flopped all over the place.
Obama is hawkish in the areas that he likes, like Darfur and Haiti and Kosovo.
So yeah, they are both chickenhawks.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:18 pmGood to see you again today and have a glorious 4th. Gotta get my bike ride training in before the heat gets too unbearable!
Peace!!
Comment by upside00
Have a great time, and a Happy 4th! The heat is already here…..oy.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:19 pm#178 Although I agree with you about Cheney, (as well as knowing even more things about him from a past exposure to his “leadership”), he will be irrelevant in the ‘08 elections except for the legacy of damage he has done to us and the rest of the world.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:19 pm“I find Hillary’s position deplorable and am not a supporter of hers and wasn’t a blind supporter of Bill’s either. ”
I can’t stand her pandering to both sides of the issue.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmComment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
The words “Rosetta Stone” is a joke?
Ok…..
July 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmI can’t stand her pandering to both sides of the issue.
Comment by Jessie Saxton
I agree, but she is doing just what Rudee, mccain and mitt are… trying to be all things to all people. The PC term is being a Centrist, but I find it sickening in all of them.
Probably Ron Paul and Gravel are the only real honest people running!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:22 pmWhich Democrat do you support?
Comment by Jessie Goosesteppin — July 4, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Listen to the party line mook.
He can’t get his tiny brain outside of the box.
I don’t support ANY democratic candidate idiot.
I am not a democrat, as I have told your inbred self a half dozen times in here and other threads.
I am the anomoly that you fools never counted on. I am the “anti-republican”, who you yourselves created by your bungling incompetent trainwreck of a presidency.
I, like millions of Americans, never voted before the Pig known as Bush seized power. I didn’t vote in 2000 either.
It was only after 4 years of utter failure, complete disdain for our Constitution and way of life and the murder you call war, that I joined into the frey.
Just like the people of Iraq, who you thought would just roll over when you descrated their lands, and murdered their young men and women, I am a product, of your wickedness and corruption. You create your own enemies, and even then are too stupid to understand why.
Which is why you willl lose in Iraq, and lose in America. Because you’re the bad guy, and you just don’t get it.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pm“Probably Ron Paul and Gravel are the only real honest people running!”
Dennis Kucinich isn’t bad either, as far as staying true to his beliefs.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:25 pmComment by Kilo — July 4, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
And by the way dumbass, you failed to show ONE place where I “COPIED AND PASTED”.
Your pathetic grammar skils have failed you again, as clearly those three comments you posted were NOT cut and pasted.
Thats why the words don’t match genius.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pmBartlebee, just who will you be voting for in 2008? Why the big mystery?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThe words “Rosetta Stone†is a joke?
Ok…..
Comment by Zooey
Well, if you can imagine not really knowing the reference . . .
July 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pm“Your pathetic grammar skils have failed you again”
Are you a substitute teacher or something?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:28 pmBartlebee, just who will you be voting for in 2008? Why the big mystery?
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
There is no mystery, other than your brains failure to comprehend what I just so painstakingly laid out for you above.
Maybe this will help your peabrain grasp the damage you’ve done to your own party.
“The enemy of my enemy, is my friend”.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:29 pmBartlebee, will you be voting for the Democrat nominee?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:31 pmAre you a substitute teacher or something?
Comment by Jessie Sadsack — July 4, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Sorry Wordsworth, just an American with a public school eductation, which obviously was superior to your homeschooled one.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:32 pmWhat is your profession, Bartlebee?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:32 pmWhat is your profession, Bartlebee?
Comment by Jessie Sixtons — July 4, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
Oh, didn’t I tell you?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:33 pm“just an American with a public school eductation”
Does this mean you only have a high school degree?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:33 pmDoes this mean you only have a high school degree?
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
Does it?
Don’t worry little troll, if you take night school classes, you can have one too.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmAssuming the night school has some very patient teachers.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:36 pmYes or no. Do you only have a high school degree?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:36 pmHillary was trying to position herself as hawkish, she voted for the war, won’t say her vote was a mistake. I’m not sure what she is doing now. She has fliped and flopped all over the place.
Obama is hawkish in the areas that he likes, like Darfur and Haiti and Kosovo.
So yeah, they are both chickenhawks.
Comment by Jessie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
How is Obama hawkish about “areas that he likes”? Evidence? Links?
Do you understand the term “hawkish”? I think the problem is that your brain only works like an on/off switch. If a politician is not 100% pacifist then he is “a hawk”. Black/white. Dove/hawk. No middle ground, no sophistication to analysis at all. Whatever.
And you still haven’t addressed the character of YOUR top guys, Rudy and Fred, BOTH of whom are FAR more enthusiastic about war in general than Hillary or Obama, and BOTH of whom were eligible for the draft in Vietnam but got deferments.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:36 pmYes or no. Do you only have a high school degree?
Comment by Jessie Wanton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
Oh, didn’t I tell you?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:37 pmSo what’s the answer?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:37 pmDidn’t I tell you?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:38 pmNo you didn’t. Is that all you have is a high school degree?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:39 pmOh, didn’t I tell you?
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Heh. Torturing the troll!
July 4th, 2007 at 1:39 pmNo you didn’t.
Comment by Lassie Saxton — July 4, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Oh, then I guess its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, huh?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pmMitt thinks it’s perfectly reasonable to impede a criminal investigation and reasonable to protect convicted felons from their sentences.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWill you be voting for the Democrat nominee, Bartlebee?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmMitt Romney is shit on a stick.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:44 pmSo Jessie, if you could turn your limited attention away from Brtalebee’s profession for a moment, do you consider Rudy and Fred “chickenhawks”? If not, why not?
July 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pmLOL don’t match ?
Is that really what you thought I was suggesting when I referred to a lack of creativity ? That you were below par because you used ctrl-c then ctrl-v on your keyboard ?
Yeah that’s it. Because as we all know, it is impressive to hear 1 person make the same comment or joke 3 times in the space of half an hour as long as they slightly change the wording.
Yes, how we all love spending time with someone of that intellectual caliber, who also remarks at how they’re smarter than others. LOL.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:47 pmJessie Saxton
Did you read my post #177? IF so, I would like to hear your answers.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:50 pmA horse walks into a bar and the barman says why the long face.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:52 pmWait I’ve got another.
A horse walks into a saloon and the barman says…
Is that really what you thought I was suggesting when I referred to a lack of creativity ?
Comment by Keelover — July 4, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
No dumbass.
Its what I “thought” you were suggesting when you said “COPY and PASTE”.
Like I said, without that Rosetta Stone…..
July 4th, 2007 at 1:53 pmYes, how we all love spending time with someone of that intellectual caliber, who also remarks at how they’re smarter than others. LOL.
Comment by Kilo
Given that you’re the retard hanging out here and “spending time” with all these dummies, what does that say about you?
Haw haw.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pmLibby commutation was reasonable?
The dog enjoys fresh air?
What’s next?
He’s disgusting
July 4th, 2007 at 1:55 pmHeh. Torturing the troll!
Comment by gummitch — July 4, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
You’re right Gummitch. I should stop.
Ok troll. I’ll answer your question on my profession.
I run a small clock cleaning service.
:|
Something one would think you’d know, considering you’ve recently become my best customer.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:10 pmBartlebee, even though we’ve chased away Jessie Troll, I thought you should know that I enjoyed your line in post 220.
In some ways, trolls beating a retreat is the most satisfying outcome possible. Sure, it isn’t really that satisfying — we don’t get their reluctant admissions that they were wrong about something, but let’s face it — when is a troll ever gonna be capable of that? The other alternative is that they’ll just keep recycling their discredited talking points, drifting further and further from the reality pier but never giving up. That’s just a waste of time, and that’s what they count on when they do that.
Yeah, silence is the best we can hope for. Then we can at least assume that they’ve recognized the futility of their effort and, rather than capitulate, they retreat, maybe change their screen name or just go see if their mom has a pudding cup for them. So it’s a win-win.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:25 pmPost 220?
This is post 220.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:28 pmPost 220?
This is post 220.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 4, 2007 @ 2:28
I see the above post as #222.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:44 pm221. Post 220?
This is post 220.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 4, 2007 @ 2:28
I see the above post as #222.
Comment by spit take — July 4, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
July 4th, 2007 at 3:11 pmSomethings funny about the posts, cause I see the post I just made as 222, and this one as 223.
TP must be deleting some stuff. Oh well, whatever post you were talking about, thanks.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pmEither way, Mitt Romney sucks big ones, and has ZERO chance of being elected to anything other than Grandmaster of the KKK.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:13 pm“TP must be deleting some stuff.”
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 4, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
We (Wayne and I) noticed last night that the numbering was different. I hope that TP is paying more attention, since several people have complained to them recently about the name-jackings, and the “death threats.” The name-jackings were particularly annoying.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:37 pmWhere is the ThinkProgress Headline that reads:
BREAKING: Al Gore’s Son. Bust With Drugs.
???????????????????????????????????????????
July 4th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWhy does TP cover Paris Hilton but not Al Goracle’s son being busted with drugs?
July 4th, 2007 at 4:08 pmhttp://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
checlk out bills pardons
July 4th, 2007 at 4:15 pmbecause they dont want anyone to know
July 4th, 2007 at 4:16 pmI can remember when Republicans were Americans. I am ashamed that I ever pulled a lever for any of them. Never again!
July 4th, 2007 at 6:26 pmWhat the hell does American conservatism stand for?
Less intrusive government? Nope.
America first? That’s certainly not it.
Law and order? Don’t make me laugh.
Fiscal restraint? That can’t be it either.
When did American conservatism morph into authoritarian cultism? All they’ve got is fear, fear, fear. If Barry Goldwater was here, he’d bitch-slap these rightwing bedwetters into the stone age.
July 4th, 2007 at 7:42 pmheres some things we stand for
no abortion- what did they do. dont be a lazy ass.
eliminate terrorists. why? because we don’t like the scum.
eliminate illegal immigration. I don’t want to pay for them do you?
lower taxes. are you better off now than in 2000? I am have a house nice car college degree. why because i worked for it. don’t want all my money going to someone else who didn’t.
death penalty. whose the bed wetter now. maybe the liberal sissy that killed someone and cant pay the consequences for his actions.
no death tax. I dont want my money going to some cheech and chong lazy azz when i croak. i want all i worked for over my lifetime to go to my family.
no gas taxes. wow do you want gas at 6 bucks a gallon.
global warming. lol. i recyle all my stuff as well as many conservatives. but the issue is just a joke. turn off your computer if you want to save the world.
July 4th, 2007 at 8:08 pmComment by unbelievable — July 4, 2007 @ 10:52 am
Romney is simply doomed by the fact that the GOPers would not vote for a Mormon. Just like they won’t nominate a black, female or Jewish man. The party is still filled with narrow-minded people who truly believe that the WASP represents their Aryan race…
Yeah, your kind is so open-minded! LMAO! So tolerant of dissent and open to all points of view… so long as they agree with you.
The same people who call Clarence Thomas an “Uncle Tom” and Colin Powell a “house slave” are so open-minded and tolerant!
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Tell us more!
July 4th, 2007 at 10:18 pmComment by Katie — July 4, 2007 @ 11:03 am
I’m happy that the Republics running for President can’t see what hypocrites they are.
Yeah, it’s the Republican candidates who are the hypocrites, not the zanies who defended the indefensible pardons of Clinton–who sold pardons like he was running a garage sale–and now feign indignation at a single commutation of a guy who was a minor player in a non-crime.
The same people who had no problem with Sandy Burglar’s repeated thefts and destruction of classifed national security documents in an effort to cover up more Clinton malfeasance.
And you actually wonder why the rest of the country isn’t as outraged as you are? You really think normal people in this country see things from your twisted point of view? No, sorry, you’re bound to be terribly disappointed in the public reaction, because most people in this country are sane.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:30 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — July 4, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Remember when these trolls used to come in and scream about their good poll numbers? Now the polls suddenly aren’t important to them, since no one in America supports Bush anymore, but them.
And they show even less support for Reid and Pelosi.
The whole country has turned on this corrupt pigs, and the little corrupt piglets who carry his water. Buttlicking worms, who will get ground up in the wheels of democracy.
Yeah, but I’m sure the corrupt pigs, lead by Reid and Pelosi, will rebound. Before you know it, their approval ratings will be back up in the 20s.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:41 pmWhy would you bother impersonating someone who is already considered a troll, to troll ?
July 5th, 2007 at 2:21 amWhat just couldn’t think of a name for yourself ?
Looks like Romney just ended his chance to be President with his continued flip-floping.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:35 am