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Was Rove involved in commutation discussions?

According to the New York Times, Republican sources say that Karl Rove did not have an “extensive” role in the commutation deliberations “because his participation would have been awkward“:

Karl Rove, the chief White House strategist and one of Mr. Bush’s closest and longest-serving aides, had been implicated in the leak investigation, and it was unclear how extensive a role he played in the deliberations.

The special prosecutor in the case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, ultimately decided not to pursue charges against Mr. Rove. Some Republicans said they believed that Mr. Rove steered clear of the pardon discussions, perhaps because his participation would have been awkward.

“I talk to Karl a lot, and I just never got any sense that he was involved in that at all,” said Vin Weber, a Republican former congressman who said he believed that Mr. Libby should be pardoned.



297 Responses to “Was Rove involved in commutation discussions?”

  1. TURDBLOSSOM says:

    Was that wrong?


  2. Mr. President says:

    Clinton… he did it too.


  3. Vincennes says:

    And we know Republicans are so inquisitive when it comes to finding out the truth and, of course, no Republican has ever lied … well, except, for good ole Scooter, who you know, didn’t mean it.


  4. shane says:

    Clinton… he did it too.

    Comment by Mr. President

    It’s all a big effing joke to you isn’t it. Some of us care about this country and the constitution. You are despicable.


  5. Ophelia Heinie says:

    One of the stupidest questions ever asked!…What deliberations?


  6. barfly says:

    Clinton… he did it too.

    Comment by Mr. President

    What? Ruined the republican party? If you haven’t noticed, repubs are lagging in donations – even from big business…


  7. Badmoodman says:

    Was Rove involved in commutation discussions? – - Does the Pope wear little red shoes?


  8. Marie says:

    #2 Mr. P
    Don’t you get weary of making a fool of yourself every day?
    If you believe that Clinton’s pardons were wrong, then you are in the school of two wrongs make a right.
    IOKIYAR
    Didn’t your mother teach you anything?


  9. RUCerious says:

    Could this just possibly be a nonstory?


  10. Zooey says:

    I have a feeling that if Rove had been involved in this decision, it would have been better timed — as in Scooter does a couple months in the pokey, then gets commuted, and no one notices or cares but us.


  11. drock says:

    It’s all a big effing joke to you isn’t it. Some of us care about this country and the constitution. You are despicable.

    Comment by shane — July 4, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

    its in the constitution that the president can pardon and commute a sentence. heres Clinton’s pardons.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm


  12. shane says:

    “The process was delicate. Karl Rove, the chief White House strategist and one of Mr. Bush’s closest and longest-serving aides, had been implicated in the leak investigation, and it was unclear how extensive a role he played in the deliberations.

    The special prosecutor in the case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, ultimately decided not to pursue charges against Mr. Rove. Some Republicans said they believed that Mr. Rove steered clear of the pardon discussions, perhaps because his participation would have been awkward.

    “I talk to Karl a lot, and I just never got any sense that he was involved in that at all,” said Vin Weber, a Republican former congressman who said he believed that Mr. Libby should be pardoned”

    Are we going to believe Rove wasn’t invoved in the deliberations because they say so and it wouldn’t be politically expedient to admit he was involve. Who can believe one thing these liars say?


  13. Fools on the Hill says:

    HW Bush pulled a Scooter too. He told investigators he was “out of the loop” on Iran/Contra and his daily journal proved he lied. He also later pardoned those caught up in Iran/Contra.

    The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

    Time once again to clean the WH!


  14. shane says:

    its in the constitution that the president can pardon and commute a sentence. heres Clinton’s pardons.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/ pardon/ clintonpardon_grants.htm

    Comment by drock

    But we’re not talking about Clinton here ARE WE? Well you probably are in an attempt to cover up for corruption of YOUR leaders.


  15. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    My own theory is that as soon as Libby lost the appeal that would have kept him out of prison, Cheny went into Bush and told him, “If Scooter Libby goes to jail, I will see to it that Karl Rove goes, too.” And Bush agreed.

    Of course, this is just a theory. The evidence proving me right or wrong is locked up in a man-sized safe in Dick Cheney’s office. (That or in a hermetically-sealed jar on Funk and Wagnall’s porch, since noon today.)


  16. shane says:

    The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

    Time once again to clean the WH!

    Comment by Fools on the Hill

    And because Daddy got away with that much corruption, Junior just knew he could get away with more. Unless Impeachment is back on the table this corrupt cabal will not stop grabbing power.


  17. JohnDWoodSr says:

    “I talk to Karl a lot, and I just never got any sense that he was involved in that at all,” said Vin Weber, a Republican former congressman who said he believed that Mr. Libby should be pardoned.

    Vin Weber would have been more truthful if he had stopped speaking after the word “sense”.


  18. The Captain says:

    “If you haven’t noticed, repubs are lagging in donations”

    That’s because the media is giving 95% of the coverage to the Democrats.


  19. Rocket says:

    In all likelihood, Rove was involved, but ultimately that decider guy made the final decision. You know, the guy who is looking for some kind of legacy to leave behind, besides abject failure. He has that completely covered.


  20. The Captain says:

    Rove probably gave some input. So what? He’s an advisor.


  21. shane says:

    In all likelihood, Rove was involved, but ultimately that decider guy made the final decision. You know, the guy who is looking for some kind of legacy to leave behind, besides abject failure. He has that completely covered.

    Comment by Rocket

    If Rove was involved though isn’t that just another layer of conspiracy because if Scooter had flipped wouldn’t Rove in all likelihood been implicated. And isn’t that why they’re all volunteering that KKKarl was involved even before the question is asked. Methinks the traitors doth protest too much.


  22. The Captain says:

    “Cheny went into Bush and told him, “If Scooter Libby goes to jail, I will see to it that Karl Rove goes, too.” And Bush agreed.”

    Cheney and Bush are friends. Is this the way you would talk to one of your friends? Of course not. Your comment is absurd.


  23. The Captain says:

    “But we’re not talking about Clinton here ARE WE?”

    Yes we are. Clinton granted some very controversial pardons. He actually sold the process to the highest bidder. Of course this is going to be discussed.


  24. shane says:

    Rove probably gave some input. So what? He’s an advisor.

    Comment by The Captain

    Advisor, no. Co-conspirator definitely.


  25. Snowball says:

    Is there any particular reason we should believe anything that Republicans have to say about this affair? Obviously not. If they claim that Rove wasn’t involved, you can pretty much be assured that he was.


  26. The Captain says:

    “Advisor, no. Co-conspirator definitely.”

    Rove is an advisor to the president, so obviously he is going to give his political input, as he should. That’s what he’s getting paid for.

    He was not a co conspirator.


  27. shane says:

    But we’re not talking about Clinton here ARE WE?”

    Yes we are. Clinton granted some very controversial pardons. He actually sold the process to the highest bidder. Of course this is going to be discussed.

    Comment by The Captain

    Couldn’t you trolls try to read the title of the thread and stick to if for two minutes. And your Republicans in congress persecuted Clinton for a bl*w job do you think they would not have come after him for a serious infraction like this, please.


  28. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Yes we are. Clinton granted some very controversial pardons. He actually sold the process to the highest bidder. Of course this is going to be discussed.

    Comment by The Captain

    You may be talking about Clinton, but we’re not. Keep talking to yourself. I doubt if anyone else will listen, Kapt. Krunch..


  29. shane says:

    Yes we are. Clinton granted some very controversial pardons. He actually sold the process to the highest bidder. Of course this is going to be discussed.

    Comment by The Captain

    You want to talk about Clinton, how about Bush Sr. pardoning a major terrorist, still walking free, and his Iran/Contra cohorts. It’s because he got away with that we are enduring the corruption today. Maybe we should reopen the treachery of Sr. Start there and work our way through Clinton and Jr. Whatever works to stop the destruction of this country.


  30. The Captain says:

    “And your Republicans in congress persecuted Clinton for a bl*w job”

    Bill Clinton recieved a blow job outside of his marriage from Jennifer Flowers. Did the GOP impeach him for that? No.

    Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and obstructing justice.


  31. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Cheney and Bush are friends. Is this the way you would talk to one of your friends? Of course not. Your comment is absurd.

    Comment by The Captain — July 4, 2007 @ 10:32 pm

    Actually, I believe that is exactly how Dick Cheney talks to George Bush. Friends? Not exactly.


  32. shane says:

    He was not a co conspirator.

    Comment by The Captain

    That was conspiracy is, working together to commit a criminal act. Outing a covert CIA agent and lying and denying is said criminal act. And while Limbaugh and O’Reilly say Plame was not cover, that is a bald faced lie.


  33. The Captain says:

    “You may be talking about Clinton, but we’re not.”

    I’m willing to talk about all of it. Clinton granted a pardon to Marc Rich, a pedophile and to FALN terrorists. If you want to debate abuse of the pardon system, it’s pretty hard to avoid Clinton’s pardons for donations.


  34. shane says:

    Actually, I believe that is exactly how Dick Cheney talks to George Bush. Friends? Not exactly.

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Cap’n Crunch thinks Cheney has friends. Does he think Hitler had friends too?


  35. The Captain says:

    “That was conspiracy is, working together to commit a criminal act. Outing a covert CIA agent and lying and denying is said criminal act.”

    Rove wasn’t charged with anything.


  36. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    If you want to debate abuse of the pardon system, it’s pretty hard to avoid Clinton’s pardons for donations.

    Comment by The Captain

    yes, but he didn’t pardon a man who helped out an active CIA agent. that s/b treason!


  37. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    I’m willing to talk about all of it. Clinton granted a pardon to Marc Rich, a pedophile and to FALN terrorists. If you want to debate abuse of the pardon system, it’s pretty hard to avoid Clinton’s pardons for donations.

    Comment by The Captain — July 4, 2007 @ 10:41 pm

    Okay. If Clinton followed the proper procedures (while maintaining the right to do it anyway even if it was advised against), then, no, I don’t have a problem with its legality. But if he bypassed the system set in place by the Congress, then, yes, I do have just as much of a problem with it as I do with Bush’s commutation of Libby’s sentence.

    Now, do you have any proof that Clinton bypassed the legal process in anyway to issue those pardons of which you spoke?


  38. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Rove wasn’t charged with anything.

    Comment by The Captain

    No one mentioned Rove in there. Me thinks thou dost protest too much!

    Besides, who the F*#k cares 7 years later what Bill Clinton did? W/ the attention span the Faux News audience has, that’s like, 3 decades ago.


  39. shane says:

    I’m willing to talk about all of it. Clinton granted a pardon to Marc Rich, a pedophile and to FALN terrorists. If you want to debate abuse of the pardon system, it’s pretty hard to avoid Clinton’s pardons for donations.

    Comment by The Captain

    You think Marc Rich is a pedophile? And I’m sure March Rich has much closer ties to the Bush family than the Clintons. Marc Rich was indicted for tax evasion and making illegal oil deals with Iran. Gee, who else was making illegal deals with Iran during the hostage crisis, that would be Bush Sr. wouldn’t it.

    And the FALN members had never injured anybody and had already served about 20 years each. And that was longer than current sentencing guidelines. But you just keep believing what you hear on Fox News, it makes you look like a real genius.


  40. The Captain says:

    “yes, but he didn’t pardon a man who helped out an active CIA agent. that s/b treason!”

    Bush didn’t “pardon” Libby either.


  41. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Rove wasn’t charged with anything.

    Comment by The Captain

    Riiiight… it’s so much more effective to just STEAL the money, like the $9 BILLION, that’s BILLION, as in BILLION, that went missing in Iraq.


  42. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    “That was conspiracy is, working together to commit a criminal act. Outing a covert CIA agent and lying and denying is said criminal act.”

    Rove wasn’t charged with anything.

    Comment by The Captain — July 4, 2007 @ 10:43 pm

    Do you remember hearing Fitzgerald talk about the “sand in the umpire’s eyes” analogy? Just because Rove was’t charged with anything, does not automatically mean that the investigation was thorough and complete and that no evidence of wrong-doing on his part emerged. At best, it means that because Libby obstructed the investigation, the prosecutor was unable to determine if any laws were broken by Rove.


  43. The Captain says:

    “You think Marc Rich is a pedophile?”

    Not to my knowledge.

    Clinton pardoned Mel Reynolds who is a pedphile.


  44. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Gee, who else was making illegal deals with Iran during the hostage crisis, that would be Bush Sr. wouldn’t it.

    Comment by shane

    And don’t forget BiggusDickus in there too. While he was head of Cehneyb – excuse me, Halliburton, Halliburton did business w/ BOTH Iran and Iraq thru a French subsidiary.


  45. AkaDad says:

    I would talk about Clinton’s 60% approval rating but it’s off topic…


  46. shane says:

    Rove wasn’t charged with anything.

    Comment by The Captain

    Rove and Cheney and Bush probably weren’t charged because Sooter obstructed justice and commited perjury so he could cover their asses. That’s what obstruction of justice means. You people are like lambs to slaughter. Unfortunately it is the country that suffers more than you.


  47. Probus says:

    Karl Rove has had his dirty fingers on every major scandal that has hit this White House. He was involved in the 2000 election vote fraud, he was also involved in outing covert CIA agent Valerie Plame, and he was also involved in the improper firings of 8 US attorneys. It would make sense for him to be involved in the deliberations of whether Libby’s sentence should have been commuted. Rove has never displayed any sense of integrity why would he do so now?


  48. The Captain says:

    “While he was head of Cehneyb – excuse me, Halliburton, Halliburton did business w/ BOTH Iran and Iraq thru a French subsidiary.”

    Be careful.

    The Clinton administration granted contracts to Halliburton.


  49. Zooey says:

    Clinton was impeached for lying under oath and obstructing justice.
    Comment by The Captain

    Clinton once created a Christmas card list.


  50. Zooey says:

    The Clinton administration granted contracts to Halliburton.
    Comment by The Captain

    Clinton once nicked himself shaving.


  51. shane says:

    Bush didn’t “pardon” Libby either.

    Comment by The Captain

    Yet. Because with a full pardon Libby would more likely be forced to testify against his co-conspirators. Go look up what John Dean has to say about that, how calculated the commutation is.


  52. Tenille says:

    I guess everyone can understand why the band broke up.


  53. Zooey says:

    I guess everyone can understand why the band broke up.
    Comment by Tenille

    Um…..the Captain has a one-track mind, and it ain’t Tenille-tracked?

    :D


  54. The Captain says:

    There really should be registration here. ;)


  55. shane says:

    The Clinton administration granted contracts to Halliburton.

    Comment by The Captain

    But Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton, the Clintons didn’t even hold stock in Halliburton, what is your effing point. Oh who really cares. It’s the 4th of July and I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more. Why don’t you neocon sycophants just get the hell out of here.


  56. shane says:

    Um…..the Captain has a one-track mind, and it ain’t Tenille-tracked?

    :D

    Comment by Zooey

    I think Cap’n Crunch has been sitting in milk too long.


  57. shane says:

    OT, man arrested for following Obama with weapons in his car.


  58. had enough says:

    its in the constitution that the president can pardon and commute a sentence.
    comment by drock

    drock

    Is it in the constitution that treason is OK? To obstruct justice by lying? The bigger picture, and we all know it as you do, is the fact a covert agent was outed most likely by the top administration folks, stonewalling and lies were done to prevent this from coming out before the ‘04 election and to protect the real criminals that committed treason. Bush did get up in front of the world and PROMISED to bring to justice the real criminals. Isn’t it obvious to you bush eliminated jail time to keep Scouter quiet, to protect himself? Maybe what Bush did is legal, but very, very outrageous and that is what the subject should be around.


  59. Zooey says:

    I think Cap’n Crunch has been sitting in milk too long.
    Comment by shane

    Hey, he’s better than some the idiots we get around here! :)


  60. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Be careful.

    The Clinton administration granted contracts to Halliburton.

    Comment by The Captain”It is extremely disturbing to hear media reports of possible violations of our anti-terrorism laws by prominent American companies through straw corporations established to evade U.S. law. What makes these charges extraordinary is the involvement of the Vice President, since Halliburton Products and Services began operations in Iran during the time that Vice President Cheney was CEO of Halliburton,” Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) wrote in a letter to her colleagues.

    Heed your own words, Kapt Krunch…


  61. Zooey says:

    OT, man arrested for following Obama with weapons in his car.
    Comment by shane

    Where did you see that, Shane?


  62. Lawrence E. Rafferty says:

    This Republican says Karl was not involved in the commutation proceedings. Are you kidding me? This entire situation is probably Rove’s doing. By commuting Scooters prison sentence Bush satisfies some of his base and keeps Libby quiet about Bush’s and Cheney’s involvement in the outing of a covert CIA agent. The plan will be complete when Bush pardons Libby before he leaves office. This is all about further obstruction of justice. And that is what Rove does best


  63. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    But really BiggusDickus is really kind of flattering for Dickhead Cheney don’t you think?

    Comment by shane

    “Biggus Dickus” is actaully a gag name from a Monty Python film…


  64. Marie says:

    Wouldn’t any troll like to explain the pardoning of Caspar Weinberger and Ollie North?
    Or is it OKIYAR?


  65. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    There really should be registration here. ;)

    Comment by The Captain — July 4, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

    Many of us have been advocating just that. ;)


  66. Solopsist says:

    Bush Sr did it too. 5 Iran Contras! Abrams etc..


  67. Cheap Petty Officer says:

    Captain sir?
    The crew would like to know why we are avoiding land, sir.
    There are daily sightings of new islands, and your orders continue to change course away from them.
    We are extremely low on fresh water, and food is in short supply as well.

    Yes, I see sir.
    I sympathize with your concern for being the first to reach the edge of the Earth, sir, and your legacy.

    Yes, sir, some of the men do yearn for the home port sir,
    especially in light of the fact that we have now sailed past it twice.


  68. Gorge \/\/ Botch says:

    I was for being tough on crime before I was not for being tough on crime!

    I was for smaller govenment before I was against smaller government!

    I was not for using our troops for nation building – Now I am for using our troops for nation buidling!

    I was for mission accomplished before I was against mission accomplished!

    I was for freeing an oppressed people before I was not fo freeing an oppressed peopl!

    I was for capturing Osama Bin Laden before I was against capturing Osama Bin Lande!

    I was for a short war before I was against a short war.

    I was against the Korean Model before I was for the Korean model!


  69. Gorge \/\/ Botch says:

    explain the pardoning of Caspar Weinberger and Ollie North?
    Or is it OKIYAR?

    I was out of the loop before I was in the loop.


  70. gummitch says:

    For the record, my brats were fantastic. And the Italian sparkling rosé was also surprisingly good. Just in case anyone was taking notes.

    God bless America. God bless Wisconsin for those great brats, Oregon for the great beer the brats simmered in, and those Eye-talians who made some great wine.

    God bless the posters at TP for giving a damn.

    And the trolls? Well, the trolls are going to burn in Hell, so there’s nothing I can do for them.

    B’bye trolls!


  71. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Rove wasn’t charged with anything.

    Comment by The Captain — July 4, 2007 @ 10:43 pm

    We were doing nicely there. Now, do you still maintain that the mere fact that Rovre wasn’t charged with anything does not prove he is innocent?

    And, do you still maintain that it is “absurd” that Cheney would talk to Bush as I suggested given that “they are friends”, when the article I linked was the start of a series on how Cheney would deceive Bush in a number of ways to get his wishes?

    Remember, there were reports (I have no link available, but you could find it just as easily as I) that Cheney was upset because he felt that Rove was being let off the hook while “his guy” was hanging in the wind (or some such metaphor). This suggests to me that Cheney, who does have the balls to do so, told Bush to give Libby that commutation (thus staving off the possibility of his having to testify.)

    Now, please tell me why I’m wrong. I hope I am, but tell me why. Thank you.


  72. Zooey says:

    Comment by gummitch — July 4, 2007 @ 11:23 pm

    Rose` with bubbles? Nice…..

    Happy 4th, gummitch, and thanks for giving a damn! :)


  73. trueblue says:

    For the record, my brats were fantastic.

    OK, my first thought was, “Oh, are your kids usually rambunctious?”

    :)


  74. Zooey says:

    OK, my first thought was, “Oh, are your kids usually rambunctious?”
    :)
    Comment by trueblue

    I regularly contemplated grilled brats for dinner…… :D


  75. shane says:

    Where did you see that, Shane?

    Comment by Zooey

    On the Chicago news, maybe because Obama’s our Senator. You’d think it would be on the CNN or MSNBC. After all Gore’s 24 year old son was on for speeding and having a small amount of marijuana. Right trolls.


  76. gummitch says:

    Rose` with bubbles? Nice…..

    Happy 4th, gummitch, and thanks for giving a damn! :)

    Comment by Zooey

    I’m a sucker for beverages that sparkle: fizzy water, beer, champagne, sparkling wine not legitimately called “champagne”. This was particularly good, and there’s a bottle of something from the Land of Frogs, a cremant, that may be even better, waiting on deck. For another day, of course.

    In re: brats. My favorite Clinton moment was a press photo of him, while visiting Milwaukee, “helping” the staff at Usinger’s make sausages. For those who are unfortunate enough not to have been to Milwaukee, Usinger’s sausage essentially define the Midwest version. Been in the same location since 1860 or so, I think.

    Mmmmmm, brats!


  77. shane says:

    Biggus Dickus” is actaully a gag name from a Monty Python film…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Oh, then definitely too flattering for Cheney. But then again, Pond Scum is too flattering for the vilest man on the planet.


  78. Raven says:

    “Biggus Dickus” is actaully a gag name from a Monty Python film…

    He was the Ceasers manservant, and the chief rival of Ceasers wife Incontinentia….


  79. gummitch says:

    On the Chicago news, maybe because Obama’s our Senator. You’d think it would be on the CNN or MSNBC. After all Gore’s 24 year old son was on for speeding and having a small amount of marijuana. Right trolls.

    Comment by shane

    To be fair, he also had a bunch of prescription dope with him. It’s clear from his history that he has problems with dope. Oy gevalt, so what? Many of us do.

    My first reaction was “Oh, my god, he has marijuana!” Uh, but . . . many of us do.

    The 100 mph while high crap needs to stop. Other than that, eh. People should not drive cars, whether Bentley or Prius, while high. Kind of a no-brainer.


  80. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    But then again, Pond Scum is too flattering for the vilest man on the planet.

    Comment by shane — July 4, 2007 @ 11:36 pm

    Then St. Louis Cardinals manager Whitey Hertzog once called us Mets fans “pond scum.” He hasn’t been welcome at Shea Stadium since.


  81. trueblue says:

    “Life of Brian?”


  82. Raven says:

    I don’t remember…. ’scuse me while I go to Utoob and find out…..:)


  83. trueblue says:

    Gummitch,

    Never cared for the stuff. Just made me hack like a dweeb.


  84. warren tarrah says:

    Being that these pigs always lie my assumption is that Rove was deeply involved in the deliberations and besides the enfant idiot is incapable of thinking of anything on his own – something to do with all the cocaine and alcohol that he’s consumed.


  85. shane says:

    Comment by Raven

    Obviously Raven, you and I are on the same wavelength.


  86. gummitch says:

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Mets kind of got knocked around by the Rockies (much like the Mariners last night in KC). At least the Yankers lost and the Red Sox won (also the M’s), so happy Fourth.


  87. Raven says:

    Correct, all, it was Incontinentia Buttocks in the Life of Brian


  88. gummitch says:

    Never cared for the stuff. Just made me hack like a dweeb.

    Comment by trueblue

    Which stuff?


  89. trueblue says:

    And I was thinking; trolls, simmered in beer, what a waste of beer, couldn’t we just simmer them in raw sewage?

    Comment by shane

    To be totally honest, I’ve never even had a ‘brat’. Don’t like sausages. Too fatty.

    (I pick the fat off of bacon and from slices of pepperoni. Great way to gross out friends and potential mates.)


  90. trueblue says:

    oops, sorry, gummitch.

    Marijuana.


  91. Katie says:

    I have, from the beginning, believed that Patrick Fitzgerald was in on the fix. If he wasn’t, why didn’t he charge Karl Rove with treason? Rove admitted he leaked Valerie Plame’s name to reporters and Fitzgerald had proof that he knew Valerie Plame was covert because he also leaked the name of her cover company, Brewster Jennings. If she was not covert, why did she need a cover company.

    Unless Fitzgerald comes out now and charges someone for the crime that was committed, I will go to my grave believing that he was in on the fix from the start. I wonder what his reward is going to be.


  92. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    It would appear the Good Captain had to report back to his cereal box.


  93. Zooey says:

    oops, sorry, gummitch.
    Marijuana.
    Comment by trueblue

    I thought you meant the sparkling wine!! :D


  94. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    (I pick the fat off of bacon and from slices of pepperoni. Great way to gross out friends and potential mates.)

    Comment by trueblue

    Got to sort them out somehow…


  95. trueblue says:

    Katie,

    That would break my heart.

    He was looking like Elliot Ness to a lot of us.


  96. trueblue says:

    I thought you meant the sparkling wine!! :D

    Comment by Zooey

    Don’t like that, either.

    :(

    PS – I didn’t know you were here. Disregard my last email.


  97. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    He was looking like Elliot Ness to a lot of us.

    Comment by trueblue — July 4, 2007 @ 11:51 pm

    Out of curiosity, which one? The Kevin Costner one or the Robert Stack (think Airplane!) one? (I’ve got a feeling I can guess the answer to this one.) :)


  98. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    “Life of Brian?”

    Comment by trueblue

    Yep…

    “Why are you laughing, Centurion?”

    “It’s a gag name, your Lordship, kind of like Biggus Dickus or Naughtious Maximus…”

    “I have a friend in Rome named Biggus Dickus.”


  99. Katie says:

    “If you haven’t noticed, repubs are lagging in donations”
    That’s because the media is giving 95% of the coverage to the Democrats.
    Comment by The Captain”

    You only dream that that is the problem. I don’t know where you live but where I live (Oregon), the Democrats are rarely covered either in the newspapers (mostly corporate conglomerate owned) or the TV Stations (again, mostly corporate conglomerate owned).

    But, it really doesn’t matter that the MSM doesn’t give equal time to Democrats and Republics. The Republics are in such deep shit, the people hear about it anyway.

    The reason why the Democrats are doing better in their fund raising is twofold. The first is that the individual Democrats are mad as hell that the Republics have stolen two elections and run this country into the gutter. The second reason, and this is the one that is providing the most money, is that a lot of corporate America sees which direction the wind is blowing and the don’t want to be stuck on the losing side in the next election.

    Bye Bye corrupt Republics. Hopefully it won’t be too late to save this country.


  100. trueblue says:

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    It’s not really a pretty sight, though.

    Miniblue’s dad used to say I’d make a great surgeon, the way I’d excise every bit of fat.
    :P


  101. trueblue says:

    Wayne,

    I meant the real Elliot,

    ………..but I guess I’ll take Kevin. He was far cuter then. And not so full of himself.

    Wow. That was so shallow.


  102. gummitch says:

    To be totally honest, I’ve never even had a ‘brat’. Don’t like sausages. Too fatty.

    (I pick the fat off of bacon and from slices of pepperoni. Great way to gross out friends and potential mates.)

    Comment by trueblue

    Ah. God. Damn.

    And you don’t like sparkling wine.

    Or marijuana.

    We have nothing to say to one another.

    I mean, seriously: fat, dope, wine. What the hell else is there?

    Probably don’t like bourbon, either.

    Aaaaaaaaaaa! Seventh level of hell for you!!!!!!


  103. Zooey says:

    Unless Fitzgerald comes out now and charges someone for the crime that was committed, I will go to my grave believing that he was in on the fix from the start. I wonder what his reward is going to be.
    Comment by Katie

    No way, Katie, absolutely no way. He didn’t charge anyone with the crime, because the obstruction made it impossible to get a conviction. No good prosecutor will wing it like that. Fitz is not a grandstander. I have a feeling he’s keeping the files open and watching…..

    It’s better to wait until you have the evidence for conviction, than to charge someone just to look like you’re doing something.

    If he charges Rove and he’s the wrong guy, Fitz just handed the right guy’s defense attorney a great big gun to blast holes in the case.

    Just sayin’…..


  104. shane says:

    Federal prosecutors are notorious for not prosecuting cases they can’t win. They’re highly interested in keeping their percentages up. But that doesn’t mean the fix wasn’t in.


  105. trueblue says:

    Captain,

    Reagan got rid of the “Fairness Doctrine”

    That is the LAST time news was unbiased.

    All media are now controlled by very few, very conservative, companies.


  106. gummitch says:

    You only dream that that is the problem. I don’t know where you live but where I live (Oregon),

    Comment by Katie

    Big state. Do you leave in the valley, or . . . ?

    Me, Portland. Where it is currently too damn hot.


  107. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Comment by trueblue — July 4, 2007 @ 11:57 pm

    Yeah, the real deal would certainly be the preferred one (assuming Hollywood didn’t take too many liberties with his image.) I’m aware that he quite good at his job. And I hope that we can get more like him watching how our government operates and stopping the criminal activity. From EVERY member of Congress who does it.


  108. Undercover says:

    I wonder what his reward is going to be.

    Comment by Katie — July 4, 2007 @ 11:47 pm

    Simple, he and his family are allowed to live.


  109. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Miniblue’s dad used to say I’d make a great surgeon, the way I’d excise every bit of fat.
    :P

    Comment by trueblue

    Hey life, and friendship, isn’t for the squeemish…


  110. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Comment by Katie — July 4, 2007 @ 11:47 pm

    Katie, I’m with trueblue, I’d be crushed. From everything I’ve heard about Fitzgerald, however, I cannot believe that he would put anything or anybody above the law. I believe that he realizes the importance of sticking to the exact rule of law in this case, because of the monumental importance of the case itself.


  111. Zooey says:

    Aaaaaaaaaaa! Seventh level of hell for you!!!!!!
    Comment by gummitch

    true must exist on a diet of warm water and Wonder bread.

    Sheesh…..


  112. shane says:

    Probably don’t like bourbon, either.

    Aaaaaaaaaaa! Seventh level of hell for you!!!!!!

    Comment by gummitch

    Uh gummitch, she’s NOT a Republican. Doesn’t that count for anything?


  113. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Comment by Zooey — July 4, 2007 @ 11:59 pm

    Katie, I believe Zooey is 100% correct.


  114. trueblue says:

    gummitch,

    I used to drink Rebel Yell and gingerale with one of those couple-friends back when I was with miniblue’s dad.

    We got so silly on them.

    See, I’m OK.


  115. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    I mean, seriously: fat, dope, wine. What the hell else is there?

    Probably don’t like bourbon, either.

    Comment by gummitch

    Now that’s a well-balanced diet. I really do think you got most of the major food groups, except maybe caffeine.


  116. trueblue says:

    true must exist on a diet of warm water and Wonder bread.
    Sheesh…..
    Comment by Zooey

    No cut that out!

    One of ny favorite snacks is black olives and extra sharp cheddar cheese. It’s just the *visible* fat that grosses me out.

    —Also, Wonder bread is full of crap—–

    ;)


  117. Jane E. Schneider says:

    “I mean, seriously: fat, dope, wine. What the hell else is there?”
    Comment by gummitch — July 4, 2007 @ 11:58 pm

    “Don’t drink, don’t smoke, what do you do?” :-D

    Gummitch, I’m partly with you on this, but I’m like trueblue with the surgical removal of fat from meat. :-) Glad to hear that you enjoyed your brats!


  118. trueblue says:

    Hey life, and friendship, isn’t for the squeemish…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Know what?

    That is actually very profound.

    Thank you.

    :)


  119. gummitch says:

    One of ny favorite snacks is black olives and extra sharp cheddar cheese. It’s just the *visible* fat that grosses me out.

    —Also, Wonder bread is full of crap—–

    ;)

    Comment by trueblue

    Hmmm. By “black olives” do you mean Kalamata? The cheddar thing is good, but in general, how do you feel about stinky cheese?

    We may be able to get you into Purgatory, but these responses are critical.


  120. gummitch says:

    Gummitch, I’m partly with you on this, but I’m like trueblue with the surgical removal of fat from meat. :-) Glad to hear that you enjoyed your brats!

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    And, cough, do you trim the fat from a ribeye?

    Remember, the Spanish Inquisition awaits your response.


  121. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    One of my favorite snacks is black olives and extra sharp cheddar cheese.

    Comment by trueblue

    Is that NY St cheddar (the good stuff), or Wisconsin, or Oregon? Inquiring minds need to know. And the beverage, what about the beverage?


  122. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    That is actually very profound.

    Thank you.

    :)

    Comment by trueblue

    Indeed, that is why I am here… that, and playing Whack-A-Trollâ„¢!


  123. Raven says:

    “He was far cuter then. And not so full of himself.

    Wow. That was so shallow.”
    Comment by trueblue

    Hey, not all truths need to be deep!


  124. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    All media are now controlled by very few, very conservative, companies.

    Comment by trueblue — July 5, 2007 @ 12:00 am

    That’s right. And that’s the real problem, not the Fairness Doctrine. Sorry to have to use this word, but considering the technology advances since it was done away with, it seems a little “quaint” now. Would I have to offer a conservative “equal time” on my own blog? Those are the kind of “slippery slope” questions that would arise with any discussion of reinstating the Fairness Doctrine. (Not that I opposed the principles of it when it was first created.)

    No, media consolidation is what’s stifling true public discussion of the issues that affect all of us, from all colors of the political spectrum. The airwaves belong to the people, and it’s time we take them back.

    [ Gives me an idea for that blog, BTW. :) ]


  125. trueblue says:

    I’m no vegan. No granola muncher.

    I’m just really picky about visible fat. It grosses me out. (Reason# 83 why I don’t look in the mirror!)

    Kalamata’s are too salty. Boring ol California.

    Hey! Maybe this will save me…………………………

    My secret sin is Slim Jims! (no way to find the fat in that mix!)


  126. shane says:

    We may be able to get you into Purgatory, but these responses are critical.

    Comment by gummitch

    I think you should “act” like a Republican and sneak trueblue the guidelines for getting into Purgatory.


  127. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Hey, not all truths need to be deep!

    Comment by Raven

    Nor do all falsehoods need to be shallow…

    (Hmmm, maybe it’s time for some of that bourbon… I’m gettin’ a little to pretentious here…)


  128. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    My secret sin is Slim Jims! (no way to find the fat in that mix!)

    Comment by trueblue

    Whoa… Slim Jims??? A fiesta of preservatives in every bite!


  129. shane says:

    And, cough, do you trim the fat from a ribeye?

    Remember, the Spanish Inquisition awaits your response.

    Comment by gummitch

    In all fairness, my husband trims all the fat plus some meat next to it and takes all the skin off of chicken but is still fabulous.


  130. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    (Hmmm, maybe it’s time for some of that bourbon… I’m gettin’ a little to pretentious here…)

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 5, 2007 @ 12:18 am

    Miss Piggy: Pretentious? Moi?


  131. Jane E. Schneider says:

    “And, cough, do you trim the fat from a ribeye?

    Remember, the Spanish Inquisition awaits your response.”

    Comment by gummitch — July 5, 2007 @ 12:12 am

    Damn, I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition! Do you at least have a comfy chair to torture me with? (Skip the dishrack!)

    Oh, I know that I’m going to give a wrong answer, but…yes, yes, I do trim the fat from a ribeye. Which hell am I going to?


  132. Zooey says:

    Mmmmmm, kalamata olives…..

    Jeebus, true — Slim Jims? You’re killing me…..and yourself. :D


  133. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Captain? I’m waiting patiently and politely.


  134. trueblue says:

    One of my favorite snacks is black olives and extra sharp cheddar cheese.

    Comment by trueblue

    Is that NY St cheddar (the good stuff), or Wisconsin, or Oregon? Inquiring minds need to know. And the beverage, what about the beverage?

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Help – I’m in the TP Inquisition! :P

    Being from the NE, I love NY extra sharp, but when I went cross country there were some decent cheeses in Wisc. (wax-wrapped) and Tillamook, Or cheese was good. Not the best.

    Whew – - Did I pass?

    Would it help to tell you I have a Bud Ice in front of me right now?
    Can I please come out of Hell?


  135. gummitch says:

    Kalamata’s are too salty. Boring ol California.

    Hey! Maybe this will save me…………………………

    My secret sin is Slim Jims! (no way to find the fat in that mix!)

    Comment by trueblue

    You’re doomed. Kalamatas too salty?

    I think you need to spend some time in limbo while you re-examine these crimes.

    Pfah!


  136. shane says:

    I’m no vegan. No granola muncher.

    Comment by trueblue

    Not that there’s anything wrong with being a vegan or granola muncher.

    There, I didn’t want to hear any troll give us the not very progressive crap.

    It’s the 4th of July and I am PISSED! First thing this morning I see Bush being glib with the troops and I’m mad as hell …


  137. GSD says:

    All your base are belong to us!

    -President Cheney and his organ grinding monkey name George W. Bush


  138. Zooey says:

    Katie, I believe Zooey is 100% correct.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Thanks, Wayne. I was worried I was going to get crucified, but that’s the way I think it is. :)


  139. trueblue says:

    How can you NOT trim the fat off a rib-eye?

    It’s FAT! Ick! How do you chew that up? A big white rubbery blob is all it is. Eewww.

    Zooey, I don’t hoard them and gorge on them, it’s a guilty pleasure. I like spicy stuff.

    Republic of Stupidity,

    Pretentious? – Never.
    ;)


  140. Cheap Petty Officer says:

    The Captain is indisposed, and has retired to his cabin.
    He became dismayed at the realization we have been sailing around a sphere, and that their is no edge of the world.
    He called for a cask of rum, his pipe, and the cabin boy.
    We do not expect him to appear for some time.


  141. shane says:

    You’re doomed. Kalamatas too salty?

    I think you need to spend some time in limbo while you re-examine these crimes.

    Pfah!

    Comment by gummitch

    Sorry trueblue, but I gotta go with gummitch on this one. Kalamatas are d e v i n e !


  142. Zooey says:

    …Tillamook, Or cheese was good. Not the best.
    Whew – - Did I pass?
    Would it help to tell you I have a Bud Ice in front of me right now?
    Can I please come out of Hell?
    Comment by trueblue

    But but, I love Tillamook cheese… Waaaaahhhh!!

    I’ll let gummitch handle the “Bud Ice” dilemma….. :D


  143. GSD says:

    If Fitzgerald is a phony then he has the best act around. He really does seem to be an honest man. Then again George W. seemed to be a good old boy from down Texas way instead of the bue-blooded, Harvard and Yale elite, legacy-nitwit mofo that he really is.

    -GSD


  144. Raven says:

    I believe you are accurate in your view of Fitzgerald, Zooey.
    The stakes are to high to make any mistakes.
    He has a lot of knowledge about what has gone on in the WH inner circles, and we have not seen the last of Patrick Fitzgerald.


  145. shane says:

    It’s FAT! Ick! How do you chew that up? A big white rubbery blob is all it is. Eewww.

    Comment by trueblue

    Thanks for this appetizing rendition. I’ll add no more steaks to my no more onion rings list.


  146. trueblue says:

    Not that there’s anything wrong with being a vegan or granola muncher.
    Comment by shane

    I hail from Cambridge, MA – -

    Home of Peace, Love, Granola! (Insert Peace Sign)

    I simply follow the truth of a certain saying:

    “Vegetarian: Indian word for Lousy Hunter”


  147. Zooey says:

    How can you NOT trim the fat off a rib-eye?
    It’s FAT! Ick! How do you chew that up? A big white rubbery blob is all it is. Eewww.

    Oh yeah, the fat is gross. I like a leaner steak.

    Zooey, I don’t hoard them and gorge on them, it’s a guilty pleasure. I like spicy stuff.

    I live for the spicy, but I wouldn’t touch a Slim Jim. :P

    Woooo hooooo!! It’s 9:30, and our temp is down to 80. High of 93 today. It’s July, folks!


  148. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Damn, I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition! Do you at least have a comfy chair to torture me with? (Skip the dishrack!)

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Noooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!


  149. Jane E. Schneider says:

    “Thanks for this appetizing rendition. I’ll add no more steaks to my no more onion rings list.”
    Comment by shane — July 5, 2007 @ 12:29 am

    No! I will NOT give up steaks and onion rings! Mmmmm, steaks and onion rings….(drool)

    And, just to stay on topic, I think KKKarl is involved in EVERYTHING that goes on in this administration.


  150. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    And his brown pants.

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    And a sugar beet, a large sugar beet!


  151. trueblue says:

    Nooooooo,

    I’m being sent to hell………………………..

    I like olives(green) stuffed with jalepenos.

    Oooh – cherry peppers with proscuitto and cheese – I have 6 of them in my ‘fridge right now…………..

    Don’t send my to Republican Hell………

    (**sob**/ **wail**/)


  152. Zooey says:

    And a sugar beet, a large sugar beet!
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    I remember seeing truckloads of sugar beets when I was a wee child in CA — them are some big damn beets. Ouch. :D


  153. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 5, 2007 @ 12:32 am

    Actually, I was referring to this.

    I always liked that one.


  154. trueblue says:

    And a sugar beet, a large sugar beet!

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Oh No, we’re not back in sugar beet land, are we?

    (I’m afraid…. someone hold my hand……)


  155. Zooey says:

    I like olives(green) stuffed with jalepenos.

    Oooh – cherry peppers with proscuitto and cheese – I have 6 of them in my ‘fridge right now…………..

    Oh my god — YUM!!!

    Don’t send my to Republican Hell………
    (**sob**/ **wail**/)
    Comment by trueblue

    Not my jurisdiction, but I’d give you a break. :)


  156. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Whew – - Did I pass?

    Comment by trueblue

    Ooooh, aaall right, you did acknowledge the supremacy of NY St Cheddar…


  157. Zooey says:

    I always liked that one.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Frickin’ hilarious….


  158. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    And, just to stay on topic, I think KKKarl is involved in EVERYTHING that goes on in this administration.

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Oh, that’s right, the TOPIC… we have a topic here, a good topic, and it’s about KKKarl… and sugar beets? WTF???


  159. shane says:

    And a sugar beet, a large sugar beet!

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Sugar beets are to be used for ethanol. What will happen when they are the latest craze in sex toys?


  160. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    I like olives(green) stuffed with jalepenos.

    Oooh – cherry peppers with proscuitto and cheese – I have 6 of them in my ‘fridge right now…………..

    Don’t send my to Republican Hell………

    (**sob**/ **wail**/)

    Comment by trueblue

    Anything small, green, crunchy and pickled (this excepts frogs…) is heaven. Garlic stuffed olives??? Ever had dilled cauliflower?


  161. Raven says:

    chipotle stuffed green olives……… mmmmmmm


  162. Zooey says:

    Ooooh, aaall right, you did acknowledge the supremacy of NY St Cheddar…
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    I see I’m not the only one who can’t be trusted….Hmmmm? :D


  163. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    What will happen when they are the latest craze in sex toys?

    Comment by shane

    I dunno… ask a Repub. They’re the ones leading this charge. I’m just… a… reporter.


  164. Raven says:

  165. trueblue says:

    Ooooh, aaall right, you did acknowledge the supremacy of NY St Cheddar…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    WHEW……………………

    :)

    ………….and the rest of you?……….

    Do you still like me?

    ( Total suck-up move)


  166. kasinca says:

    What is worse…the braindead trolls or the food channel recipes?


  167. Moderation says:

    No way…He didn’t charge anyone with the crime, because the obstruction made it impossible to get a conviction. No good prosecutor will wing it like that. Fitz is not a grandstander. I have a feeling he’s keeping the files open and watching…

    It’s better to wait until you have the evidence for conviction, than to charge someone just to look like you’re doing something.

    If he charges Rove and he’s the wrong guy, Fitz just handed the right guy’s defense attorney a great big gun to blast holes in the case.

    Comment by Zooey — July 4, 2007 @ 11:59 pm

    I think that this is absolutely correct. Fitzgerald is an incredibly adept attorney. The FDL coverage was simply amazing. He really handled it quite well, and his closing was fantastic. When the case was over, he specifically told the MSM cameras that he believed he had information that Congress might need, and they should contact his office.

    I am of the mind that Fitzgerald has supplied Waxman, Leahy, Conyers and others in Congress with vital information. Information that has allowed those in charge of committees to follow the trail of information to its final destination. I would wager that any information that the Congressional committees discover would enable Fitzgerald himself to place the pieces of the puzzle together. Once that final piece is in place, he can go after the real criminals with his prosecutorial powers, and the evidence to back the charges up.

    I do not believe that Patrick Fitzgerald is a plant, but rather an honest man, biding his time.


  168. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Actually, I was referring to this.

    I always liked that one.

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Good one. I vaguely recall a variation on that. Myabe Custer, or someone of that ilk.


  169. shane says:

    about KKKarl… and sugar beets? WTF???
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Well they are synonomous, aren’t they?


  170. Zooey says:

    Anything small, green, crunchy and pickled (this excepts frogs…) is heaven. Garlic stuffed olives??? Ever had dilled cauliflower?
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Heaven. I love pickled asparagus. I’ve never heard of dilled cauliflower. It sounds yummy…

    chipotle stuffed green olives……… mmmmmmm
    Comment by Raven

    No way! Where do you get them?


  171. trueblue says:

    Ever had dilled cauliflower?

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
    ??? What is that?

    The closest my family came to Cauliflower was in the Sweet Mixed Pickle jar.

    :D


  172. Zooey says:

    What is worse…the braindead trolls or the food channel recipes?
    Comment by kasinca

    Hands down — brain dead trolls. :)


  173. gummitch says:

    #

    And a sugar beet, a large sugar beet!

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Oh No, we’re not back in sugar beet land, are we?

    (I’m afraid…. someone hold my hand……)

    Comment by trueblue

    A hardcore Republic “moderate” tried to convince me that sugar cane is what we mean in the US when we say “sugar”. Once I pointed out the statistics that beet sugar far exceeds production of cane sugar in the US he was … uh, silent.

    Sucrose is sucrose. Period. Full stop.


  174. GSD says:

    The caption for this story should be: Holy Meddling Turdblossoms!

    -GSD


  175. shane says:

    Anything small, green, crunchy and pickled (this excepts frogs…) is heaven. Garlic stuffed olives??? Ever had dilled cauliflower?

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Ooooh, martinis with bluecheese stuffed olives, I better go to sleep before I end up drunk.


  176. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    I see I’m not the only one who can’t be trusted….Hmmmm? :D

    Comment by Zooey

    What?? What??? Did I promise you cheese and renege? What?


  177. Zooey says:

    Do you still like me?
    ( Total suck-up move)
    Comment by trueblue

    I bet you’re batting your eyelashes, too. Geez, talk about your emotional blackmail…..


  178. trueblue says:

    pickled asparagus?

    That’s a sin! Steam ‘em with salt & butter.


  179. trueblue says:

    I bet you’re batting your eyelashes, too. Geez, talk about your emotional blackmail…..

    Comment by Zooey

    ***cough*** from the expert***cough***


  180. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Well they are synonomous, aren’t they?

    Comment by shane

    True, tis true…


  181. gummitch says:

    chipotle stuffed green olives……… mmmmmmm
    Comment by Raven

    No way! Where do you get them?

    Comment by Zooey

    In Spain, it was easy to find brined green olives stuffed with anchovies. Oh, so good, but the salt content would suck all the water out of your brain in minutes. Fortunately, rehydration was possible through cheap beer.


  182. Zooey says:

    I do not believe that Patrick Fitzgerald is a plant, but rather an honest man, biding his time.
    Comment by Moderation — July 5, 2007 @ 12:44 am

    Wow. Wayne and Moderation agreeing with me in the same evening. I can die happy….

    Thanks guys.


  183. shane says:

    Even if this means that your heart explodes, this is the Eternal Truth: without fat there is no flavor. Or flavour.

    So mote it be.

    Pastor Gummitch

    Comment by gummitch

    Gummitch, I believe you are officially Chief Epicurean here at TP. Trueblue, Jane, listen to the man, he speaks truth to, to, tastelessness.


  184. Zooey says:

    Sweet Mixed Pickle jar.
    Comment by trueblue

    Barf.


  185. Jane E. Schneider says:

    “I do not believe that Patrick Fitzgerald is a plant, but rather an honest man, biding his time.”
    Comment by Moderation — July 5, 2007 @ 12:44 am

    I agree completely.


  186. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
    ??? What is that?

    The closest my family came to Cauliflower was in the Sweet Mixed Pickle jar.

    :D

    Comment by trueblue

    there was probably some cauliflower in there. Dilled cauliflower is just like dill pickles, except w/ cauliflower instead of pickles (kind of redundant, I know…). Yummy, yummy stuff.


  187. Zooey says:

    What?? What??? Did I promise you cheese and renege? What?
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Heh.


  188. shane says:

    I bet you’re batting your eyelashes, too. Geez, talk about your emotional blackmail…..

    Comment by Zooey

    Oh sure, but last night it was all Keith this and Keith that and Keith’s so hot, Ms. Fickle!


  189. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Wow. Wayne and Moderation agreeing with me in the same evening. I can die happy….

    Thanks guys.

    Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 12:49 am

    What am I, chopped liver? I agreed with you, too!;-)


  190. trueblue says:

    #201 Zooey,

    Welcome to “Growing Up Irish” in the NE.

    Boiled everything. Blech.


  191. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    rehydration was possible through cheap beer.

    Comment by gummitch

    Indeed, behold the miracle of modern beer!


  192. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Boiled everything. Blech.

    Comment by trueblue

    My mother knew more ways to cook potatoes than most people can imagine.


  193. Zooey says:

    In Spain, it was easy to find brined green olives stuffed with anchovies. Oh, so good, but the salt content would suck all the water out of your brain in minutes. Fortunately, rehydration was possible through cheap beer.
    Comment by gummitch

    I think all the moisture left my brain just thinking of that, my friend. Replace that with beer, and I’m up for my first DUI. Heh.


  194. trueblue says:

    Dilled cauliflower is just like dill pickles, except w/ cauliflower instead of pickles (kind of redundant, I know…). Yummy, yummy stuff.

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    How do you feel about half-sour pickles? Like NY Deli style?


  195. trueblue says:

    Oh sure, but last night it was all Keith this and Keith that and Keith’s so hot, Ms. Fickle!

    Comment by shane

    Oh—Slam!

    You are very brave, shane. Now run………..


  196. shane says:

    What am I, chopped liver? I agreed with you, too!;-)

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    She’s probably still harboring that Keith grudge from last night.


  197. Zooey says:

    What am I, chopped liver? I agreed with you, too!;-)
    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Give me a minute!! I’m still drooling over chipotle stuffed olives!

    After I die happy, they will have to dig me up, resusitate me, and let me die happy all over again. :)

    Nice, huh?


  198. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    I bet you’re batting your eyelashes, too. Geez, talk about your emotional blackmail…..

    Comment by Zooey

    Zooey, I can only say **sniff… sniff** that I was rather hurt when you ignored me and spent all your time mooning overe Keith. What does keith have that I don’t, other than a television show and great ratings? but, hey, is Keith a “Republic”??

    Care for a slice of cheese, trueblue?


  199. trueblue says:

    My mother knew more ways to cook potatoes than most people can imagine.

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    I’m liking you more and more.

    :D


  200. shane says:

    You are very brave, shane. Now run………..

    Comment by trueblue — July 5, 2007 @ 12:56 am

    Oh, I joined the witness protection program befor I sent these two Keith posts through. I’m not crazy.


  201. Zooey says:

    Oh sure, but last night it was all Keith this and Keith that and Keith’s so hot, Ms. Fickle!
    Comment by shane

    Wayne said Jane was Mapquesting her way to Keith last night, and I don’t do sloppy seconds. :D


  202. gummitch says:

    Ah, the sweet smell of gunpowder is in the air (”what?! wait until it’s dark? Fug that!” and Jimi Hendrix is on the iPod/Bose playing The Star Spangled Banner. How much more patriotic can I be expected to be?


  203. trueblue says:

    Care for a slice of cheese, trueblue?

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Why, yes RoS, I would love to accept your invitation.
    I’m sorry you were so scorned by the Mistress who shall not be named. I shall dry your tears.

    I would enjoy your company greatly.


  204. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    How do you feel about half-sour pickles? Like NY Deli style?

    Comment by trueblue

    What’s a half-sour pickle? Never heard of it.


  205. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Zooey, some advice from Spock (Star trek episode “The City on the Edge of Forever”, with Edith Keeler):

    “Do as your heart tells you to do, and millions will die who did not die before.”

    He may have been speaking of something else.


  206. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Jimi Hendrix is on the iPod/Bose playing The Star Spangled Banner. How much more patriotic can I be expected to be?

    Comment by gummitch — July 5, 2007 @ 1:01 am

    Not one bit more! :D


  207. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    How much more patriotic can I be expected to be?

    Comment by gummitch

    Are you waving a small American flag in each hand?


  208. Zooey says:

    Zooey, I can only say **sniff… sniff** that I was rather hurt when you ignored me and spent all your time mooning overe Keith. What does keith have that I don’t, other than a television show and great ratings? but, hey, is Keith a “Republic”??

    Care for a slice of cheese, trueblue?
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Oh c’mon, that’s just not right!! I mean, I never had a chance, with Jane so close and her Mapquest. She’s blond, for heaven’s sake! Who can compete with that?

    Oy, true’s blond.

    Fine. Just fine. Share your cheese with true. *sniff*


  209. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    I’m sorry you were so scorned by the Mistress who shall not be named. I shall dry your tears.

    I would enjoy your company greatly.

    Comment by trueblue

    Yes, she can be rather… harsh. Hmmm, sharp cheddar and Slim Jims… a veritable feast for the true gormand…


  210. shane says:

    Wayne said Jane was Mapquesting her way to Keith last night, and I don’t do sloppy seconds. :D

    Comment by Zooey

    You mean mind games could keep you from true lust! Go get him!


  211. barfly says:

    Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal? The Huffingtonpost has a link to an article entitled: The Libby Effect On GOP Candidates.

    Perhaps TP can get behind the subscription wall, and give us the gist of it?


  212. gummitch says:

    What’s a half-sour pickle? Never heard of it.

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Oy!

    Psychic powers kick in. The Republic of Stupidity does not live within driving distance of Manhattan.


  213. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Um..I’m waving something in my hand, but it ain’t a small American flag. :)

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    There are a couple of ways to take that, and I’m going w/ the safe one…

    “Don’t Bogart that joi*t, my friend, pass it over to me!” :-D!!!


  214. Zooey says:

    “Do as your heart tells you to do, and millions will die who did not die before.”

    He may have been speaking of something else.

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Is that supposed to be as depressing as it sounds?


  215. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Ick

    Comment by gummitch — July 5, 2007 @ 1:07 am

    It’s a cigarette. Sheesh! Where was your mind? :D


  216. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    The Republic of Stupidity does not live within driving distance of Manhattan.

    Comment by gummitch

    Sssshhh… that’s double top secret stuff, kid!


  217. trueblue says:

    Yes, she can be rather… harsh. Hmmm, sharp cheddar and Slim Jims… a veritable feast for the true gormand…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    I will tend to your wounds, poor soul.

    (really, the streets are littered with the Zooey-broken hearted.)

    ……………………………..:D


  218. shane says:

    Fine. Just fine. Share your cheese with true. *sniff*

    Comment by Zooey

    Are you feeling “geographically challenged”?


  219. Zooey says:

    I would enjoy your company greatly.
    Comment by trueblue

    Yes, she can be rather… harsh. Hmmm, sharp cheddar and Slim Jims… a veritable feast for the true gormand…
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    I’m still here, ya know!!

    Git yer asses to facebook!


  220. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Actually, I probably wouldn’t have had to go even as far as NYC–I think Keith lives in Westchester County, so he’s probably no more than about 25 miles away…


  221. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Comment by GSD

    Ewwww… but funny.

    Kind of gives new meaning to the phrase “getting pickled” when Jeff uses it, huh?


  222. Zooey says:

    It’s a cigarette. Sheesh! Where was your mind? :D
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Double ick!!

    Wave the other thing! The thing gummitch was thinking about. :P


  223. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    I’m still here, ya know!!

    Git yer asses to facebook!

    Comment by Zooey

    Word, girl! Now you know how I feel when you talk about me as thought ** sniff… sniff…** I were a piece of furniture.


  224. gummitch says:

    The Republic of Stupidity does not live within driving distance of Manhattan.

    Comment by gummitch

    Sssshhh… that’s double top secret stuff, kid!

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    To be honest, the best half-sour pickles I’ve had were made by a Jooish, hippie potter in Portland, Oregon. Worth putting up with the annual June party of “alternative school” parents just to get hands on her pickles.


  225. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Is that supposed to be as depressing as it sounds?

    Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 1:07 am

    No, apparently not appropriate for your situation, as you have not traveled back in time and fallen in love with a man who must die in order for history to be set right.

    Maybe Shakespeare has some better advice:

    Love comforteth life sunshine after rain. (Venus and Adonis)

    That sounds better.


  226. Zooey says:

    I will tend to your wounds, poor soul.
    (really, the streets are littered with the Zooey-broken hearted.)
    ……………………………..:D
    Comment by trueblue

    You do realize there is a great big bus out there with your name on it, right?

    Heh.


  227. trueblue says:

    I’m still here, ya know!!
    Git yer asses to facebook!
    Comment by Zooey

    The Republic of Stupidity —-

    Are you on Zooey’s facebook?

    Just wondering why we have been summoned…….

    (I’m afraid)


  228. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Wait, I’m confused, what’s Wayne supposed to be waving? I can’t see him through the two computer screens!

    Speaking of ‘too late’, I’ve got to go to bed. And so does “Waving Wayne”!


  229. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    (really, the streets are littered with the Zooey-broken hearted.)

    ……………………………..:D

    Yes, indeed… I could tell, as soon as you came on-line, that you would be gentle… and kind, unlike Her, Whose Name We Cannot Speak… your fonts were just so… firm, and round, and… and… inviting…


  230. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    (I’m afraid)

    Comment by trueblue

    After the bus comment, so am I.


  231. trueblue says:

    You do realize there is a great big bus out there with your name on it, right?
    Heh.
    Comment by Zooey

    Well, there is a great big deisel sounding noise right outside my bedroom…. but I’m sure it’s nothing…


  232. Zooey says:

    Word, girl! Now you know how I feel when you talk about me as thought ** sniff… sniff…** I were a piece of furniture.
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Oh I’m sorry, you great big hunk of Republic, you. Please forgive me?

    Heh.


  233. gummitch says:

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Get a room!


  234. shane says:

    Yes, indeed… I could tell, as soon as you came on-line, that you would be gentle… and kind, unlike Her, Whose Name We Cannot Speak… your fonts were just so… firm, and round, and… and… inviting…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Hey Zooey, it’s pretty safe to say I’m out of witness protection. What are you going to do about these two though?


  235. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Fine. Just fine. Share your cheese with true. *sniff*

    Comment by Zooey

    Ah, it pains me to see you so unhappy. Here, it is a Big Cheese, as they say in America. You may have a slice too…


  236. Zooey says:

    Can you point out on this anatomically-correct doll exactly where her “pickles” are?
    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    You’re quicker than me, Jane! Those must be some hella “pickles!”


  237. trueblue says:

    Word, girl! Now you know how I feel when you talk about me as thought ** sniff… sniff…** I were a piece of furniture.

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Aawwwww, poor thing.

    I would never do that to such an important poster.

    There, there. Everything will be OK.


  238. Zooey says:

    Love comforteth life sunshine after rain. (Venus and Adonis)
    That sounds better.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Thank you, Wayne, that’s beautiful. You’re such a gentleman.


  239. Zooey says:

    Speaking of ‘too late’, I’ve got to go to bed. And so does “Waving Wayne”!
    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Goodnight, Wayne & Jane!!


  240. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    There, there. Everything will be OK.

    Comment by trueblue

    I knew you would be kinder than… “her”…

    Funny, when I first read that, I saw the phrase “important poster” as “imposter”… and I’m thinking, WTF??? yeah, but what’s your point???


  241. Zooey says:

    Hey Zooey, it’s pretty safe to say I’m out of witness protection. What are you going to do about these two though?
    Comment by shane

    What two?


  242. trueblue says:

    Ah, it pains me to see you so unhappy. Here, it is a Big Cheese, as they say in America. You may have a slice too…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    WHAT? I offered you comfort and you went back?

    …..I’m crushed.

    Crushed, I tell you.

    Never again will I eat NY Sharp Cheddar Cheese.

    Too many memories…………..


  243. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    You’re such a gentleman.

    Comment by Zooey

    Boy, that didn’t take long, did it? that’s right, take my cheese and run off and share it w/ Wayne…

    HEY, Jane… did you just see…


  244. Jane E. Schneider says:

    “If only you had been raised in White Plains, you would understand.”
    Comment by gummitch — July 5, 2007 @ 1:18 am

    Sorry, raised mostly in Brewster, like Wayne.

    Gotta go to bed – goodnight, all!


  245. Zooey says:

    I think I need to order two buses….


  246. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Too many memories…………..

    Comment by trueblue

    Hey, it’s a Big Cheese, and I’m a Big Republic. There’s more than enough of both to go around…


  247. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Yeah, TRoS, I just saw… And she says I’m quicker than her!?

    Goodnight! :D


  248. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Goodnight, Wayne & Jane!!
    Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 1:21 am

    It should have been “like” not “life”, but I hope the sentiment still came through.

    Good night. I keep forgetting it’s not Friday night, and I have to go to work tomorrow. Luckily I don’t have to use my brain much. ;)


  249. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    I think I need to order two buses….

    Comment by Zooey

    Why? Are you going somewhere? I didn’t think you had enough friends to need TWO buses…


  250. gummitch says:

    I dunno how you east coasters stay up so late. Pretty much bedtime for me (or laying in bed listening to the iPod time) and I have a three-hour advantage.

    G’night.


  251. Zooey says:

    It should have been “like” not “life”, but I hope the sentiment still came through.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    I got it. :)


  252. trueblue says:

    Why? Are you going somewhere? I didn’t think you had enough friends to need TWO buses…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Ooooohhh, you are in trouble with that one!……….

    you in trouble now…………


  253. trueblue says:

    G’night, gummitch.

    I’ll maybe be in your neck of the woods in a couple of years.

    Anywhere but here.
    :D


  254. Zooey says:

    Why? Are you going somewhere? I didn’t think you had enough friends to need TWO buses…
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Is that how it’s gonna go, TRoS? Well…… :P

    I’m taking my cheese and going home. No, I’m eating my cheese and going to bed! That’s it.

    **sniff**

    I have lots of friends……


  255. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Ooooohhh, you are in trouble with that one!……….

    you in trouble now…………

    Comment by trueblue

    Well then, I guess I was wise to leave off the “let alone one” at the end of that sentence, huh?


  256. Vance says:

    I hope Rove chooses to travel and see the world he has helped craft once this nightmare is over. Although if he is kidnapped by terrorists and they behead him before I have TIVO, I’ll be pissed.


  257. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    I have lots of friends……

    Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 1:31 am

    I’m one. :) Facebook told me so.

    Jane is, too!


  258. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    OK, that was really funny!

    Comment by trueblue

    I knew you’d be back… they come for the cheese, but stay for the jokes!


  259. Zooey says:

    Well then, I guess I was wise to leave off the “let alone one” at the end of that sentence, huh?
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    It’s on now, TRoS……

    If I remember in the morning, it is ON!

    Waaaaahhh!


  260. trueblue says:

    I’m taking my cheese and going home. No, I’m eating my cheese and going to bed! That’s it.

    **sniff**

    I have lots of friends……

    Comment by Zooey

    No – Don’t do that.
    :(

    I am never up this late – please?

    (Don’t know id I’m ready to give you TROS, though.)

    ;)


  261. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Jane is, too!

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Hey, you said you had gone to bed… it’s a good thing I didn’t say what I wanted to…


  262. trueblue says:

    IF, not Id -

    What a Freudian slip!


  263. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    If I remember in the morning, it is ON!

    Waaaaahhh!

    Comment by Zooey

    Damn! And I thought she had gone to bed too…


  264. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    (Don’t know id I’m ready to give you TROS, though.)

    ;)

    Comment by trueblue

    Ooooo! Fighting over me now… I LIKE it!


  265. trueblue says:

    Damn! And I thought she had gone to bed too…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Playing me again. Mr TROS?

    Haruuumph.


  266. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Haruuumph.

    Comment by trueblue

    But… but… I thought you had gone to bed…

    Care for a slice of cheese, individually wrapped, ya know, for your pro…

    Ah screw it… night all!!!


  267. trueblue says:

    Just as I thought………..

    Cheese sharer……….

    **sob**
    (runs and throws self on the bed)

    Night!


  268. Lora says:

    Clinton pardoned Mel Reynolds who is a pedphile(SIC).
    Comment by The Captain

    Sorry, Captain Kangaroo, but Mel Reynolds served some time in prison before Clinton ultimately “commuted”–his sentence–not “pardoned” him.
    From wikipedia:
    “Reynolds served all of his first sentence and served forty-two months in prison for the later charges. At that point, U.S. President Bill Clinton commuted the sentence for bank fraud. As a result, Reynolds was released from prison and served the remaining time in a half way house. ”

    Yes, I know that the facts seldom stand in the way of rightwing talking points and that your parents never taught you that “two wrongs don’t make a right.”


  269. marlow says:

    Well, had a good BBQ, took the kids out for fireworks, did a little work on the tequila bottle, and I’d like to hand out a few F/U’s before hitting the sack. F*ck you George, you should be dragged from the WH in much the same manner as Achilles dragged Hector; may I live to see the day. F*ck you Dickles, may the hot shrapnel of your exploding pacemaker exit your chest mid-snear during one of your droning speeches to the pod-people. F*ck you, Condi, Gonzo, Rove-turnip, you’ll all get yours at some point, and F*ck you, all you little scumbag reichwingnuts who throw over and betray the country for your sh*tty little cults of personality. See y’all tomorrow!


  270. Mr. President says:

    Wow.

    This thread shows all that can be accomplished by the “progressive” mind.

    Things are gonna change, I can feel it!


  271. Lora says:

    Wow.
    This thread shows all that can be accomplished by the “progressive” mind.
    Things are gonna change, I can feel it!
    Comment by Mr. President

    More “pearls of wisdom” from the guy whose comments often consist of gravemarkers for Cheney and the following:
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ….

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    …
    ….

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    …
    ….
    …

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Comment by Mr. President —

    Oh so clever and witty!


  272. Mr. President says:

    Comment by Lora — July 5, 2007 @ 3:49 am

    Thanks!

    Glad to be of service.


  273. Mr. President says:

    Seems you Lefties need a troll or two in here just to stay on topic.

    If not, you regress to cheese and slim-jims.

    HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  274. Mr. President says:


    SlEEp WeLl MY FOoLISh LEFtY FRiENdS,

    THeRE WIlL bE MOrE DIsAPpOINTMeNt TOmORrOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  275. Lora says:

    Comment by Lora — July 5, 2007 @ 3:49 am
    Thanks!
    Glad to be of service.
    Seems you Lefties need a troll or two in here just to stay on topic.
    Comments by Mr. President

    Too stupid to understand sarcasm, eh? And you’re virtually never on topic in any of your various names, preznitwit.


  276. Mr. President says:

    Too stupid to understand sarcasm, eh? And you’re virtually never on topic in any of your various names, preznitwit.

    Comment by Lora — July 5, 2007 @ 3:59 am

    “Progressive” indeed.


  277. Bruce Gorton says:

    trueblue

    Pork crackling?


  278. CaptainMantastic says:

    “I weighed this decision carefully,” the president told reporters after visiting wounded soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

    I thought Bush was detached and didn’t care about the troops? TP needs to do a better job of sanitizing this kind of information.


  279. Innocent Bystander says:

    Sure, a testimonial from Vin Weber, a signatory on PNAC, and a regional director of Bush-Cheney 04. I’m sure he’s giving an objective opinion on this.

    Kind of a silly question, actually. Of course Rove was involved. He’s Bush’s Brain.


  280. ace says:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, THE TRUTH IS THE GREATEST ENEMY OF THE STATE.”
    – Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945

    By: okiemon on September 27, 2006 at 10:24am

    “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans – unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.”

    Karl Rove.


  281. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    If “The Captain” still wants to have a serious discussion, I’m still waiting for my answers from way back a few comments. I’ll check in tonight when I get home.


  282. Innocent Bystander says:

    “Rove identified that Wilson should be sent to Niger and then used to out Plame to close down the WMD intelligence unit.”

    I believe you are correct about this, ace, although I’m not sure if Rove was the architect of this operation. Remember the picture of Cheney’s “notes” made on the Wilson’s NYT editorial? Strange that Dick would keep this document for the historical record, no? Unless you really want to have a cover story to mask the real agenda item.

    I know the noise machine loves to bloviate that “PLAME WAS NOT A NOC!!!!!!!!”….but they have very little to say about Brewster Jennings and the work they were doing, tracking WMD in the ME theater. Kind of makes you wonder how serious these people are on the “GWOT”.

    The clock is ticking…..their illegitimate time in office draws down and the American people are primed to vote Democrats bigtime in 2008. So what will they do to maintain control of the Presidency? Because they cannot afford to have Democrats in a position to investigate and expose the entire rotten criminal enterprise that has been put into place. Can they steal 2008 again? Doubtful. That leaves another 9/11 event that will allow them to declare martial law. At that point, the terrorists will have won.


  283. rollotomasi says:

    Bush was a little bit too careful to emphasize that he was the “loan wolf” on the commute decision, because any admitted involvement by Rove or Cheney in the decision would be evidence of obstruction of justice in an investigation that has not yet been terminated. Fitzgerald is still out there. When did awkward or inappropriate ever stop these guys before? And the chance that Cheney was excluded from the discussions is about the same as the chance Cheney didn’t send Libby on his treasonous errands in the first place.


  284. Perry Logan says:

    The radical Right has failed its audition.


  285. trippin says:

    I love these zipperheads: “waaaahh waaaaah Clinton waaahhh Marc Rich waaaahh waaaaahhh” — the only thing is, dear zipperheads, is that your pals Limbaugh and Hannity didn’t tell you everything (as usual, because telling you everything would expose what liars they are.)

    Turns out that your buddy Scooter was Marc Rich’s attorney, and he’s the one who petitioned Clinton for the pardon. Rich’s prosecutor? Patrick Fitzgerald.

    You really got to get out a little more and look around.


  286. Lora says:

    Comment by Lora — July 5, 2007 @ 3:59 am
    “Progressive” indeed.
    Comment by Mr. President

    Poor little whining Repubrat can’t take criticism. Typical Reputard.


  287. ace says:

    Iran has No Nuclear Weapons Capabilities

    by Scott Ritter

    Global Research, July 5, 2007

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6215

    Ritter was 100% correct when, prior to the invasion of Iraq, he proclaimed that Iraq had no WMD.

    Are we going to ignore the man twice?


  288. ace says:

    ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    Have you eve heard a more dangerous or arrogant statement in your life?


  289. Zooey says:

    This thread shows all that can be accomplished by the “progressive” mind.

    Things are gonna change, I can feel it!

    Comment by Mr. President

    It’s called fun, Mr P. Get some. Have some.


  290. Jesus loves the warm Beef of a Man says:

    > Remember the run on duct tape?

    Tom Ridge is on the board of directors of Home Depot, a great place to buy duct tape.. coincidence??


  291. green says:

    Thank you Ace for your incredible research – and for connecting more of the dots. I have always believed that 9/11 was an inside job – and that another “terrorist” attack by the WH is imminent. They are all criminals being backed into a very tight corner – and We the People are their victims. My gnawing question is when, where and how? And then what………

    The truth will set us free.


  292. veritas says:

    Hi All! Much gratitude to Ace for his awesome posts, links, and further evidence that 911 was an inside job – something we truthseekers have suspected for a very long time. Keep the posts coming, dear Ace, because knowledge Is power and the greater the information and it’s legitimate sources, the more empowered the People will become vis this knowledge.

    To say that it’s all beginning to make perfect sense now is a total “understatement” because in it’s sheer illogicality of it all, it is now making logical sense.

    Somewhere along the line in one of the posts there was an allusion to Shulsky and Wolfowitz being students of Leo Strauss. Do yourself a favor and research Strauss’ philosophy a bit and you will quickly recognize that the PNAC neocons are plagiarizing it to a tee!
    Amazing! So, the Rovian “evil genius” may now more aptly be dubbed Rove: “Only evil” because his apparent “genius” is nothing new but a philosophy advanced by Irving Kristol way, way back.

    To say that the plans for 911 had their genesis eons ago is, in fact, understatement as it’s becoming apparent that both William Kristol’s grandfather and Bush 43’s grandfather (Prescott Bush) were involved in anti-democratic philsophies. Amazing how these apples have not fallen far from their respective trees, isn’t it?

    It’s all beginning to make logical, if disgustingly heinous and hypocritical, sense now, thanks to Ace’s incredibly informative posts.

    Please, Ace….continue to enlighten us as most americans have now reached that remarkable intersection called “Truth” and are ready to be set free by knowledge of truth. Up until now, all we’ve been spoon-fed is the fictionalized version of it all.

    Kudos to Ace for bringing the “critical mass truth movement” one step further in our eternal quest to bring truth to our lives.


  293. TripMaster Monkey says:

    Just want to add my thanks to ace for his informative posts on this thread. I’m saddened, but not surprised, to find that TP has seen fit to “disappear” all but three of them. Glad I had the chance to peruse them before TP made the decision to remove them from the public eye.

    Kudos, ace…keep up the good work.


  294. Mark says:

    “Awkward”?

    Since when does this Administration give a damn about “awkward”?

    They don’t even give a shit about “blatant”, much less “awkward”.


  295. ace says:

    Apparently TP perceives the ENTIRE TRUTH to be too dangerous to their own cause.

    Sort of makes you wonder what cause could possibly rank higher than THE TRUTH.

    Deleting posts is simply another form of authoritarianism.

    Free speech s not negotiable.

    Choose sides.

    I’m with the Americans.


  296. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Keep on posting, ace, Americans need the truth!




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