Fox News: Universal health care breeds terrorists.
Fox News: Universal health care breeds terrorists.
Today on Fox News’s Your World With Neil Cavuto, National Review Online columnist Jerry Bowyer attacked Michael Moore’s movie SiCKO and its positive portrayal of the health care in countries such as Britain and France. He argued that national health care systems are breeding grounds for terrorists because they are “bureaucratic.” “I think the terrorists have shown over and over again…they’re very good at gaming the system with bureaucracies,” said Bowyer.
Bowyer also claimed that in the United States, “if one of your doctors is spending all the time online reading Osama bin Laden fatwas, someone’s going to notice that.”
UPDATE: Michael Roston at Raw Story has compiled conservatives bloggers’ attacks on SiCKO HERE.
Transcript:
A state run health care enterprise is bureaucratic, and I think the terrorists have shown over and over again, whether it’s dealing with INS or whether it’s dealing with airport security, they’re very good at gaming the system with bureaucracies. They’re very good at getting around bureaucracies. [...]
And if one of your guys is a jihadist, if one of your doctors is spending all the time online reading Osama bin Laden fatwas, someone’s going to notice that. But the National Health Serfvice is more like the post office, you know there’s a lot of anonymity, it’s easy to hide in the bureaucracy.
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The Right have absolutely no idea how stupid they are.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:55 pmPart of being stupid is not knowing how stupid you are.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pm#1 …or at least they never underestimate the stupidity of their supporters.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pmI’ve heard of reaching but, well, this is so far out of the realm of ridiculous it is just absurd.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pmROTFLMAO
July 5th, 2007 at 4:58 pmI suppose we could apply that logic to any bureaucracy. The DHS and so on.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:59 pmBowyer is a total idiot!
Our ENTIRE government is a f*cking bureaucracy.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmWeren’t most of those MuslimShiteaters ™ in England doctors?
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
And we have a winner – the thread’s first blatantly racist comment! OK, are not McVeigh, Nichols and Rudolph shit eaters of a different persuasion?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmNow this idiot is definitely mentally ill! What a joke! I have to say that it’s original though….who’d a thunk it?? Not anyone with more than a room temperature IQ I’d say. Political suicide is what this idiot has done to himself!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYeah believe the guy with the clown wig on. Yeah, sure.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmThis guy needs to be ridiculed and laughed right off the threads!! What a eejit!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:01 pmGotta love that questioning format. “We didn’t say National Healthcare was a breeding ground, we’re just asking.”
#4. so right you are.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:01 pmSo how would al Qa’ida “get around” the national healthcare bureaucracy, exactly? Would they import generic drugs from Canada or something?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:02 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
I didn’t mention race.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:02 pmThe folks at “The Onion” must be really cranked that Fox “News” is beating them at their own game.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pmAnd we have a winner – the thread’s first blatantly racist comment! OK, are not McVeigh, Nichols and Rudolph shit eaters of a different persuasion?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Mr President makes this racist comment constantly, but claims not to be a racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pmFor Truth: Posted this on the last thread in error….
As for the rug on this fools dome, I believe it’s part of the “nostalgic series” entitled “The Buster Brown”! He looks as ridiculous as he sounds.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pmHey Z! Mr. P hasn’t a shred of credibility in any of his posts and is always throwing bigotry in our faces. Ignore the village idiot and he slinks away.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pmTerrorism doesn’t exist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pmSounds to me like this guy thinks that the Post Office could be a breeding ground for terrorists. Quick, some one let the righties know that they need to hide under the bed when the mail arrives!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:05 pmMichael Moore said that they would say this… LOL
You can always tell what the neocons fear the most by what they fear-monger the most.
It’s never the right things.
Perhaps America could do an expriement where the blue states get UHC, and the red states do not. I bet it wouldn’t be two years before the red states were begging to join…
July 5th, 2007 at 5:06 pmWhere do these guys come from?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:07 pm“Sicko” must be having quite an impact on public opinion if Fox is already yelling about a universal health care/terrorism connection.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmComment by Zooey
Crying wolf with the “racism” thing is racist. He was simply pointing out their profession in relevance to the topic. Sheesh. Please prove the man’s comments specifically to be “racist.”
July 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmWhere do these guys come from?
Comment by Swill — July 5, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Homeschooled mostly.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI suppose we could apply that logic to any bureaucracy. The DHS and so on.
Comment by ForTruth — July 5, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Let’s also apply it to the CIA, FBI, Marines, Army, Air Force, National Guard and Navy… Sheesh!
America has many excellent socialized programs. What troll here would be willing to pay for police, fire, or infrastructure on an as-need basis?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pmSo to eliminate terrorism we can’t have national healthcare. Yeah, that goes to reason.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWell there are all those Swedish, and Norwegian terrorists planning to give you a good massage, and a soak in a hot spring.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:10 pmCT_V1
Thanks for proving your comments specifically to be “moronic.â€
And quit using dual identity, posting under the name Mr Pee.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:11 pmShoot. My doctor is Mexican-American. Obviously that means that he has 27 illegals–all cousins–living in his basement, all busy driving my wages down. The bastard!
Fox news: No conclusion too broad to jump; they’re the Evel Knievels of broadcast journalism.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:12 pmPlease prove the man’s comments specifically to be “racist.â€
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Read the comment – QED.
The only thing Mr P could say about these people was that they were muslim doctors. Of course the ‘muslim’ piece was extended into a racial epithet, probably equivalent to the ‘n’ word or perhaps the ‘y’ word for our peoples of the Torah. Happens to Tiger Woods all the time: ‘black man wins golf tournament’ – as if being black was the only notable thing about him.
So instead of ‘weren’t these homicidal maniacs doctors?’ We have a disgusting term for a race of people as part of the accusation.
Any other questions?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmARE YOU FRIGGIN’ KIDDING ME?!?!
If we have universal health coverage, the terrorists win?!?!
Pardon me while I puke on the nearest Republican.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmHey Z! Mr. P hasn’t a shred of credibility in any of his posts and is always throwing bigotry in our faces. Ignore the village idiot and he slinks away.
Comment by veritas
True, very true.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pm“Sicko†must be having quite an impact on public opinion if Fox is already yelling about a universal health care/terrorism connection.
Comment by SomeGaveAll — July 5, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Even my neurotic neocon brother and his wife are for UHC… It’s truly become the majority opinion. 79% of Americans want it.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWow. Fox has danced around the line between idiotic absurdity to outright self-parody. Well, today, it blissfully pranced over that line into laa-laa land.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmOh great…Now it’s bureaucracies that cause terrorism!
Will Bush invade every bureaucracy in America to root out the evildoers? Watch out Post Office, DMV, and even Congress!
There are powerful forces out to discredit Sicko and suppress the audience for it. that’s because it’s a such a profoundly moving experience. You cannot sit through that movie with dry eyes. That kind of emotional impact is even more persuasive than a bunch of statistics.
The right wing media has pulled out all the stops to destroy this movie. Even MTV’ took a swipe at it:
MTV’s Hatchet Man On Sicko
“After alleging that Moore is a brazen con man who cherry-picked facts and manipulated interviews, Loder calls Moore a “proud socialist.”
This just demonstrates their desperation.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWell there are all those Swedish, and Norwegian terrorists planning to give you a good massage, and a soak in a hot spring.
Comment by Krazny — July 5, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
I’ll take one of those for the team… How do I invite them over? :D
July 5th, 2007 at 5:15 pmCrying wolf with the “racism†thing is racist. He was simply pointing out their profession in relevance to the topic. Sheesh. Please prove the man’s comments specifically to be “racist.â€
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
Maybe I should have used the word “bigotry.” Do you think you’d feel better about that word?
Their profession is not ‘Muslim” nor “Shiteater.”
Prove the troll’s comments specifically not to be bigotted or racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:16 pmComment by Zooey
Sure.
A profession is not a race. The driver attackers happened to be doctors, the topic profession of this thread.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWell there are all those Swedish, and Norwegian terrorists planning to give you a good massage, and a soak in a hot spring.
Comment by Krazny
Terrifying. I’ll handle this….
July 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmLet’s be on our toes, folks, there could be bureaucrats lurking here at Think Progress, and some NSA spook is sure to notice…..
July 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmDo you people on the right realize what a laughinstock you are? I mean come on people!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI think Cavuto’s mom is the one who breeds terrorists.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:20 pmSometimes I don’t know why we even argue with the little morons. You can step back from the computer randomly ask people, and they have ability to reason. These trolls don’t have a chance in hell, unless they cheat, which they do. Cue megaphone desktop companion…
July 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThanks for proving your comments specifically to be “moronic.â€
And quit using dual identity, posting under the name Mr Pee.
Comment by RUCerious
Given that I’m in the same room with a dump load of libecruds, it’s “scholarly” in comparison.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pmergo, Fox (s) News breeds terrorists. it makes sense to me. but I have to carry a piece of paper around with me that warns people that I can become mickle irritable if confronted with my shame
July 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pmA profession is not a race. The driver attackers happened to be doctors, the topic profession of this thread.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
You simply cannot read, can you?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI want me sum of dat gall durn sweetish messaje, a gurl wun.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:22 pmSeems he has just described the Bush / Cheney cabal version of the U.S. Government bureaucracy, from FEMA right down to beloved leaders Department of Homeland Security (Die Heimat, Das Vaterland, Sieg Heil).
July 5th, 2007 at 5:23 pmYou simply cannot read, can you?
Comment by gummitch — July 5, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Reading isn’t really all that important when you’re home-schooled.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:23 pmZoo,
save your wind on this one, not worth it!
All we have to do is have the Trolls defend their favorite Kool-aid enema dispenser, Faux NoNooz, and sit back and eat bon-bons.
Even I didn’t think Faux was this phucked up!!! ……………………………But I was wrong!!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:23 pmSo because there were terrorist doctors then that means universal healthcare is evil? That’s the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmMuslim Shiteaters â„¢
That term is to reference Muslims who are terrorists, not Muslims in general.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
CT, you have finally proven to me that you are, in fact, a troll.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI can no longer give you the benefit of the doubt.
Any other questions?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Islam is not a race.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmWhat’s the “y” word?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pmOh CT is most certainly a troll
July 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI think the Fox people themselves don’t believe half the shit, they sit back and wonder if the viewers will buy it.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pm#56 That’s the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard. Comment by werenotgonnatakeit
And you only thought Faux was fair and balanced. Now you can add stupid to that tag line!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by toasterhead
I wasn’t homeschooled, but I don’t think it’s your position to judge a perfectly fine way of being educated.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmOh CT is most certainly a troll
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit
I made the mistake of thinking CT_V1 and Mr President were salvageable, and might actually be able to contribute to this blog in some positive manner.
I was wrong.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmFox News
Fairly Stupid and off Balance.
We make stuff up, and you swallow whatever we spit out.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmManaged, insurance-based health care is a three trillion dollar a year industry and these dispicable corporate whores will say anything to maintain this system.
But, just for the sake of argument, if socialized medicine IS a breeding ground for terrorists, we would have seen more terrorists by now in all of the other industrialized nations in the world who provide universal coverage or care for their citizens. The only doctor involved in the 9-11 attack was bin Laden’s second in command who was an Egyptian. I don’t believe they have socialized medicine in Egypt.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmI simply cannot believe how absolutely and positively stupid and ignorant this statement was.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:30 pmFox.. go figure..
I was wrong.
Comment by Zooey
Thank god, because if you were wrong, we were right.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pmBeats being a righteous sh*t-eating libetroll.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Pissants
Stay classy!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pmMAKES SENSE! I ALWAYS SUSPECTED THAT TERRORISTS WERE BEHIND THE COUNTER AS I STOOD IN LINE TO RENEW MY DRIVER’S LICENSE AND VEHICLE REGISTRATION.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by Zooey
Please distinguish a) a disagreement and b) not contributing. You seem to have the two confused.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmNational Healthcare. The reason there are terrorists. What the hell were we spending so much time trying to secure Iraq, we could be blowing up hospitals in England.
Say no to National Healthcare or the terrorists win.
/sarc.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Mr. President-hypocrite:
Are all Evangelical Christians as full of hate and intolerance as you are? Would Jesus approve of all your hate speech? I thought Jesus taught love.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:33 pmOK, ya?
I’m Marda Mardassen, your masseuse, ya?
OK, ya? Who’s first?
OK, ya? Yust climb up da ladder there onta da table, ya?
I know it’s 5 feet of da floor, ya,
but I don’t like ta havta bend over so far, ya know?
Whaa?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:34 pmOh quitcher whinin’, I’m a not gonna hurt yas….
Whaa?
You wanna male masseuse?
No, ya don’t, trust me, ya?
Dem males are just wussies, dey don know how to fix things proper.
Are you going to suggest torturing doctors now? Any one of em could be a turrorist!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:35 pmBut, just for the sake of argument, if socialized medicine IS a breeding ground for terrorists, we would have seen more terrorists by now in all of the other industrialized nations in the world who provide universal coverage or care for their citizens.
Comment by Shiek Yerbuti — July 5, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Just wait – the Cuban-Canadian Alliance is getting ready to clobber us. Look at the big board!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:35 pmIs that guy wearing a wig? If not, it’s the worst haircut I’ve ever seen. What’s with the platinum blonde?
Even my ultra-Republican co-workers can’t muster up anything positive to say about our for-profit healthcare system.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThank god, because if you were wrong, we were right.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
It’s interesting that you can so easily dismiss the one person on this blog who actually gave a shit about what you thought, or thought you might have something to contribute other than this shit you do.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmAre all Evangelical Christians as full of hate and intolerance as you are? Would Jesus approve of all your hate speech? I thought Jesus taught love.
Comment by Mr. President-NOT
Master Satan HATES YOU because you TELL THE TRUTH.
Master says that you either STOP telling the TRUTH, or you WILL NOT be coming to hell with Bush and Cheney, the PURE EVIL ones.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, TRUTH-TELLER!!!!
Satan Bless the Bushes and Cheneys and their EVIL supporters!!
Treasonously yours,
Traitor Ronnie and Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment by Shiek(sic) Yerbuti — July 5, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Are you an anti-troll troll?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:38 pmComment by toasterhead — July 5, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
The “Shiteater†part comes from the Salafist shit that they eat.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Ohhh – makes sense. So why didn’t you say “Weren’t most of those MuslimSalafistWorldviewBelievers â„¢ in England doctors?” in the first place? That would’ve made so much more sense and been far more accurate.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:38 pmPlease distinguish a) a disagreement and b) not contributing. You seem to have the two confused.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
I’m not confused at all, CT.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:38 pmWHAT A DICK!
Comment by Shiek Yerbuti
There are more ways than one to get a solid education. I hope nobody puts you in charge of making a hiring decision. A weak decision that would be.
I see that with you libecrats, bigotry is a very narowly-defined word.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:39 pmComment by Ronald Reagan and Master Satan — July 5, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Clinton lied… is he going to hell?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:39 pmThese people are sick. God help us.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:40 pmZoo,
I had the same expereince with CT-4 a few days ago. He/she is on the verge of a fairly rational discourse and then goes sideways. (Me thinks it’s the meds, they are time-release, and his time just ran out).
July 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmComment by upside00 — July 5, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Al Gore III takes adderall, I don’t know if he has a legal prescription or not.
Did you hear about the bust?
TP doesn’t want you to know about it.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pm“It’s interesting that you can so easily dismiss the one person on this blog who actually gave a shit about what you thought, or thought you might have something to contribute other than this shit you do.”
Comment by Zooey
You see it too, Zoo, that underneath and behind and denied is a sharp, inquisitive, and potentially very creative person.
He’s just at that awkward stage where it’s all about attention getting, positive or negative, it doesn’t matter.
It could take years before the clamor in his brain settles down enough for him to hear his own voice.
And then again, we could be completely wrong, and he is after all just a squirrely little kid who sucks up to and manipulates the bullies in his life for the sake of a little security.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmIt’s interesting that you can so easily dismiss the one person on this blog who actually gave a shit about what you thought, or thought you might have something to contribute other than this shit you do.
Comment by Zooey
Time to demand TP ban these idiots that do nothing but attempt to disrupt ther threads. They have done it before, maybe we need to schedule another walkout
The racist crap, by itself is a bannable offence.
Too bad Judd is not here any longer…..
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmCT are you speaking in tongues?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmAmerica has many excellent socialized programs. What troll here would be willing to pay for police, fire, or infrastructure on an as-need basis?
Comment by unbelievable
Are you saying that doctors should be govt employees?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmJust wait – the Cuban-Canadian Alliance is getting ready to clobber us. Look at the big board!
Comment by toasterhead — July 5, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Well we are in between the two, and the Canadians have an awful lot of their population on the border hmmmmmmmmmm
July 5th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIs Al Gore III running for president? Is Jenna Bush? No. WTF does that have to do with anything but to change the subject from our complete and humiliating mockery of you right wingers and the pathetic nonsense that is your arguments.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:45 pmMr.rez, of course I heard about it, Al Gore Sr. has addressed it. What is your point? Where does this fit into this thread? Are you looking for a dealer? Try Rush Limburger, he has a whole pharmacy for you.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:46 pmTP doesn’t want you to know about it.
Comment by Mr. President
Gore III is not an officeholder, and is not running for office.
He is stupid kid that got caught with drugs, something that is repeated accross this country thousands of times a day.
Explain why this would be newsworthy or affects the government………
July 5th, 2007 at 5:48 pmWent fishing in Mexico a while back with some Canadians on a little charter, they were laughing their asses off at us for being such sheeple.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmAs they offered me one of their super nice Cuban cigars to puff on the way back in. Caught some nice roosterfish that day, made a couple of good friends. Nice cigars. We’re idiots to put up with our government.
Al gore’s kid,
Clinton,
Over there, so not here,
Military’s fault,
sandy bergler,
Marc Rich did it too.
Presidencial purogative,
A Prius does 100mph?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
I should dispatch hippie-cops to wrestle you to the ground, charge you with a variety of offenses.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmComment by ForTruth — July 5, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
All pertinent and excellent points, ForTruth.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by Wayne
Hilton’s parents aren’t office-holders, yet TP had countless threads on her.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmYou see it too, Zoo, that underneath and behind and denied is a sharp, inquisitive, and potentially very creative person.
Comment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Yes, I see it in both CT and Mr President, and have said it to them on several occasions, and asked them to actually participate here, rather than this crap they do. I see now that they are unable or unwilling to even try.
The racist crap, by itself is a bannable offence.
Too bad Judd is not here any longer…..
Comment by Wayne — July 5, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I agree, they should be banned for their racist comments. They should have gone the way of Santo long ago, although even Santo was not a racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmThe answer is simple- make sure the National Health Care plan isn’t a bureaucracy. BUT, Great Whitehead may have a point: nothing is more bureaucratic than the motor vehicle division, and approximately 251,272 more die from driving off the road than from terrorism. That’s a lot of people dying from not knowing how to stay on the road, not so many for terrorism. I wonder how many more people die from not getting the medical help they need than die as a result of terrorism. Of course, some of them have to be Muslim so those figures don’t count as HUMAN deaths… Right?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmAM I the only one that has noticed that mr prez has a real hard time staying close to the topic? I would surmise he has a severe case of ADD and needs his very own Adderall, a common treatment for ADD, as is ritillin.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmDUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmExplain why this would be newsworthy or affects the government………
Comment by Wayne — July 5, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I believe I cited the comment of the poster I was referring to.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmAre you saying that doctors should be govt employees?
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I asked is you were willing to pay for police, fire, highways, sewer pipes, traffic lights, etc. on an as-need basis. How you turned it into this question is a feat for Houdini…
I’m now a government employee in a socialized program, and I have to say, it beats working for Corporate America when it comes to freedom from profits. The education system has other problems, some of which do include financial priorities, but unlike being an Architect, my priority working for the government as an Educator is not money, and the lack of that pressure allows me to focus on what is important – my students.
In SiCKO, the UK doctor that Moore interviewed has no financial pressures the way US doctors do, so he is able to put his patients, not corporate profits first. The result is a healthier population.
The United States is the sickest Industrialized Nation in teh world. By a lot. Wonder why? Wonder no more…
July 5th, 2007 at 5:53 pmHilton’s parents aren’t office-holders, yet TP had countless threads on her.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
TP actually has a Topic heading called “Braindead Media,” which is what they’re highlighting with their threads about Paris Hilton — they are not threads about HER personally, or her parents.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:54 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes
Heh. Nope, doesn’t exist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:54 pmNo, no, no. Fox got it all wrong. It is not universal health care that breeds terrorists, it is greedy Dick Cheney and his boy Bush that breed terrorists.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:54 pmThe United States is the sickest Industrialized Nation in teh world. By a lot. Wonder why? Wonder no more… Comment by unbelievable — July 5, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
And wow! demonstrates that sickness isn’t just physical, but mental as well…
July 5th, 2007 at 5:55 pmAttention Deficit Disorder
def.: a malady in which the sufferer feels anxiety when not receiving constant attention.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:55 pmAdderall gave me zits. The opiates prevent orgasm. And the downers are, well, downers, no fun there. Now the pot…..
July 5th, 2007 at 5:57 pmRaven,
You didn’t point out who that comment was directed at…. and they weren’t paying attention!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI see that with you libecrats, bigotry is a very narowly-defined word.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
Hmmmm. Unlike with you conservatives, for whom bigotry is cast with a broad brush to include many different types of people. Is that what you mean, Einstien?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pmYou were paying attention………;)
July 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pmHuh, I thought Adderall was snakebite medicine………….
July 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by Zooey
TP’s coverage was a rally against the media, but they still spent too much times voicing their concerns. I really don’t believe they would of had the same reaction if it was Rosie O’Donnell stuck in the same predicament. They probably would have encouraged media involvement to point out the “injustices.”
July 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmAnd wow! demonstrates that sickness isn’t just physical, but mental as well…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — July 5, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Sad, but oh so true…
In and of itself, a valid reason for UHC all on its own :D
July 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmunbelievable
Perhaps America could do an expriement where the blue states get UHC, and the red states do not. I bet it wouldn’t be two years before the red states were begging to join…
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! What a great idea. Of course “Buster Brown” must reside in a red state. And hey, all you red staters that DID NOT vote for Dick Cheney and his boy Bush are welcome to join us that live in the blue states. Now the reverse is true, too. Get the hell out of my blue state all you Cheney and his boy Bush voters.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pmComment by upside00 — July 5, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Excuse me,
say that I did have ADD, or another psychological affliction,
what is your point?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pmUsing this idiot’s logic, by creating more beauracracy through creating the Department of Homeland Security, Bush was actually AIDING the Al Qaeda terrorists. You know, because those terrorists just love government beauracracy according to this bleached out wingnut.
My God, Fox is becoming a parody of themselves. I can’t believe there are people stupid enough to watch what they present as “news”. There’s a very dimwitted segment of our society which actually believes Fox is the only “fair” news which gives both sides.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pmOh man, this is such a stretch of ill-logic…do the right really ever notice how utterly stupid they are.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:01 pmYou didn’t point out who that comment was directed at…. and they weren’t paying attention!
Comment by upside00
Oh, the irony…. :D
July 5th, 2007 at 6:01 pmComment by Shiek Yerbuti
You’re not innocent, that’s my point. I don’t think it’s really the place of you ‘crats to rail against bigotry when you practice your own. The case of religious hypocrisy, that’s only one example.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#133 The point is that you can’t sty on topic, which is a fairly common behavior of people with ADD. Which you triggered the topic with your comment about Al Gore 3.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pmMan, am I glad nobody got bit………………..
July 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pm#135 Zoo,
Just couldn’t resist. Sorry!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:04 pmTP’s coverage was a rally against the media, but they still spent too much times voicing their concerns. I really don’t believe they would of had the same reaction if it was Rosie O’Donnell stuck in the same predicament. They probably would have encouraged media involvement to point out the “injustices.â€
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
So you talked to Faiz and he told you his reasoning behind doing those threads? Is that it? Or are you psychic? I guess we’ll just never know about Rosie O’Donnell, since she obeys the law. That’s pure speculation on your part, isn’t it?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:04 pmThe NHS is the nearest thing to a religion that the British now have. For half a century the British have convinced themselves that the NHS is the envy of the world. It is — for the third world. And it is the third world’s doctors and nurses who keep alive this socialist cult of security from cradle to grave.
No politician dares to reform the NHS, which is still run by its white-coated medical priesthood. Even Margaret Thatcher, who was fearless with terrorists, quailed before the doctors and nurses. “The NHS is safe in our hands,” she said. But the question has long been: are we safe in the NHS’s hands?
Aneurin Bevan, the man who created this monster, explained how he had persuaded the senior doctors to submit to the state: “I stuffed their mouths with gold.” But training our own doctors is expensive. Today, the agencies that supply the NHS with doctors recruit their staff throughout Africa and Asia. Many are Muslims and, inevitably, some of them are Islamists.
The origins of the eight suspects arrested so far are diverse — Iraq, Jordan, India, Saudi Arabia — but all spent time at NHS hospitals or medical schools. One of them, who drove a blazing Jeep into an airport terminal and set fire to himself, is now being treated for burns that cover 90% of his body in the same hospital that unsuspectingly employed him. If he survives, he will owe his life to his intended victims.
Anybody with medical qualifications has been able to enter Britain with few questions asked. Of the 277,000 doctors in the NHS, some 128,000 — that is nearly four out of 10 — were trained abroad. It was a loophole that should have been obvious, given Al Qaeda’s declared strategy of recruiting highly educated professionals. The cell that launched last week’s attacks is probably not the only one.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:05 pmBrilliant, absolutely brilliant! What a great idea. Of course “Buster Brown†must reside in a red state. And hey, all you red staters that DID NOT vote for Dick Cheney and his boy Bush are welcome to join us that live in the blue states.
Thanks… It kinda goes along with the way the medical profession itself does trial studies to see if treatment works. And the trolls are always saying that the states should have more say, so let’s put it to the states.
One caveat, because this is part of the problem with education, is that the governing body of the system should not be an elected group of politicians, but actual doctors and medical administrators who are hired to focus on the system, rather than getting re-elected to a position in which they really have no actual experience…
Now the reverse is true, too. Get the hell out of my blue state all you Cheney and his boy Bush voters.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags — July 5, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Or, we could let some of them stay, and they would be the ones who would serve as healthier role models for their conservative brethern in red states :D
July 5th, 2007 at 6:06 pmIt’s fun to be part of the conversations going on between the threads, so to speak, that the trolls totally miss because of their infatuations with themselves.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:07 pmJust couldn’t resist. Sorry!!!
Comment by upside00
I thought it was quite brilliant, actually. :)
July 5th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWell, that’s about the dumbest thing I’ve read since the underwire bra and breast cancer assertion.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:08 pmNext they are going to tell us universal health care will lead to all nurses and then all women wearing burkas?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:09 pmRaven,
It gets better when even more of them show up. Kind of like putting a mirror in their cages and having a Troll self-abuse Feeding Frenzy.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:09 pmYou’re not innocent, that’s my point. I don’t think it’s really the place of you ‘crats to rail against bigotry when you practice your own. The case of religious hypocrisy, that’s only one example.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
As usual, what you post is entirely irrelevant. For the purposes of bigotry, what IS relevant is whether bigotry is encoded into the law. Every attempt to encode any form of bigotry into the law is perpetrated by conservatives and you know it.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThese people really were pretty damn funny .. you know like flanders and the preacher on the Simpsons… until that is they got their hands on the power of our government and military.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:13 pmWhich you triggered the topic with your comment about Al Gore 3.
Comment by upside00 — July 5, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
You triggered the topic with your comment about CT:
I had the same expereince with CT-4 a few days ago. He/she is on the verge of a fairly rational discourse and then goes sideways. (Me thinks it’s the meds, they are time-release, and his time just ran out).
Comment by upside00 — July 5, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
There are people here who have first hand experience with psychological disease.
You don’t know if he has the affliction or not, and I thought that this was a rather insensitive statement.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWho is stupid enough to follow this crap???? oh wait. Bushies!!!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmIt’s fun to be part of the conversations going on between the threads, so to speak, that the trolls totally miss because of their infatuations with themselves.
Comment by Raven
Absolutely. They put our generation, the Me Generation, to shame. They exist in the Only Me Generation.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:15 pmIt’s really funny when they forget who they are responding to.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:15 pmMr.P etc. really gets frenetic about this time of day, then he’ll
disapear for awhile, and come back with his new screen name du-jour
There are people here who have first hand experience with psychological disease.
You don’t know if he has the affliction or not, and I thought that this was a rather insensitive statement.
Comment by Mr. President
LOL
Know what I mean?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pmRaven,
Hi there… getting any rain in New Mexico or is it still dry?
The Richardson campaign is beginning to gather steam in PA.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pmKnow what I mean?
Comment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
That is a stunning statement, after his remarks about Muslims.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI asked is you were willing to pay for police, fire, highways, sewer pipes, traffic lights, etc. on an as-need basis. How you turned it into this question is a feat for Houdini…
I’m now a government employee in a socialized program, and I have to say, it beats working for Corporate America when it comes to freedom from profits. The education system has other problems, some of which do include financial priorities, but unlike being an Architect, my priority working for the government as an Educator is not money, and the lack of that pressure allows me to focus on what is important – my students.
In SiCKO, the UK doctor that Moore interviewed has no financial pressures the way US doctors do, so he is able to put his patients, not corporate profits first. The result is a healthier population.
The United States is the sickest Industrialized Nation in teh world. By a lot. Wonder why? Wonder no more…
Comment by unbelievable
Do you think doctors would want to be govt employees? Would that encourage the brightest minds to turn to medicine where they would make a fraction of what they make now? Would they be willing to go to school for so many years and have such high student loans to be govt employees? Your priority may not be making money, but do you want doctors to make $30k-$40K a year? I am actually on the fence with socialized health care. I agree that there is a major problem with our current system, but the search for profits is what leads to breakthroughs in many cases? If there is no money in it for the brightest I am afraid that we will suffer. Also I am not a fan of the govt taking over something and adding more red tape.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:18 pmFrank, I can see you’ve done a lot of thinking about this Islamic terrorist doctor thing. Do you think fighting the various factions in Iraq is the best way to deal with this threat? How do you think fighting a war in Iraq prevents terrorists disguised as doctors coming into this or any other country?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:20 pmDo you get upset when people call Christians nut jobs? And so you Islam is not a race, so saying something like “Muslims are …” cannot be racist just like saying “Christians are…” cannot be racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:20 pmBoth Zooey and I have tried to have rational discourse with CT4 and both of us have had him/her go sideways on us.
I just hope he/she is under Doctor’s care or will seek some real soon (assuming there is healthcare coverage in the family).
And being on here is NOT for the weak!!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:22 pmYou come in with flu symptoms and he diagnoses it as a severe case of being a Jew.
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
I’m pretty sure that IRI got banned for less than this… WTF Faiz?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmDo you get upset when people call Christians nut jobs? And so you Islam is not a race, so saying something like “Muslims are …†cannot be racist just like saying “Christians are…†cannot be racist. Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
You actually think that either of you wingnut religio-fascists look any different to sane people? You Christian/Jewish nutjobs are no different than this Islamic ones. You’re all the same. Whether you’re murdering doctors or yourselves – you’re lunatics!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmGreetings, CDwF
Rained pretty good last night here, I think the monsoon season may be upon us.
We are still fortunate, with respect to other parts of the Southwest.
I am putting my shoulder behind Richardson now, help him go as far as possible.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI’m beginning to understand your liking for him.
He has integrity.
It kills any future doctors who may have Islamists ideas. What do you think of socialized medicine where 40% of your doctors are trained in foreign countries and allowed free entrance to commit mass murder?
How come Moore left this great benefit of socialized medicine out of his movie?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmComment by upside00
So, where the hell do you come from, by the way?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:26 pmActual headline from yesterday’s Scottish newspaper the Record.
HERO CABBIE: I KICKED BURNING TERRORIST SO HARD IN BALLS THAT I TORE A TENDON
I wish I could put that on my resume. Being that he’s Scottish, he should have shouted, “FREEEEDOM!” as he did it.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:27 pmSO, in CT4’s mind, if someone called him/her a Christian Shiteater,it would not be racist and he/she would be fine with that.
Glad we got that cleared up.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmNever ever comment to Mr. President, he is the most pathetic idiot on the treads, really why even read the crap he posts. The moron is just that A MORON. Loser in real life, hated by all, heck even dogs hate that moron.
If is is signed Mr. President, just skip over it, it will just be something stupid anyway.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmI’m pretty sure that IRI got banned for less than this… WTF Faiz?
Comment by unbelievable — July 5, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
I’m actually beginning to miss IRI.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmGlad we got that cleared up.
Comment by upside00
That’s right. It wouldn’t be racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI come from the state of Serenity, and sometimes out of left field.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:30 pmDo you think doctors would want to be govt employees?
You say that as if it’s unthinkable…
Would that encourage the brightest minds to turn to medicine where they would make a fraction of what they make now?
Actually, yes. In fact, it would get rid of those who only go into medicine for the money.
In SiCKO, the UK doctor drove an Audi, lived in a million dollar home in London and said he was more than comfortable. Anyone who isn’t okay with that has no business being a doctor…
Would they be willing to go to school for so many years and have such high student loans to be govt employees?
It’s why college education is free in many countries.
They would still be making a lot of money. Education Administrators make 6 figures…
Your priority may not be making money, but do you want doctors to make $30k-$40K a year?
They wouldn’t. In the UK, the doctor Moore interviewed made more than twice that as a resident, and said that full MDs make even more. In addition, they get paid extra for positive results – such as getting a patient to stop smoking, so there is still, to a varied degree, reward for good work.
I am actually on the fence with socialized health care. I agree that there is a major problem with our current system, but the search for profits is what leads to breakthroughs in many cases? If there is no money in it for the brightest I am afraid that we will suffer. Also I am not a fan of the govt taking over something and adding more red tape.
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Instead of assuming, do some research and definitely go see SiCKO. CNN fact checked the movie and said that Moore did well…
The government does a great job with most of our social programs. I doubt medicine would be any different considering all the other countries we have to use as a foundation.
Don’t fear what you don’t know – educate yourself with unbiased information and facts…
July 5th, 2007 at 6:31 pmYa got me Zoo, thanks for the quick redline!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:32 pmComment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
I was correcting Zooey’s remark in one of the conversations that I missed, which was going on between the threads (so to speak), because of my total infatuation with myself.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:32 pmMy posts are most certainly relevant when set against this specimen, ‘Shiek Yerbuti’ who should hurry up and log off so he’ll make it in time for Bin Laden’s slumber party.
You’re a nutty bigot, so run along. Perhaps homeschooling would’ve, in fact, been a productive option for you.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
I see the esteemed poster who uses the term “Muslim Shiteater” is calling me a bigot. This is the problem when one tries to argue with stupid people. Stupid people don’t know they’re stupid.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmLike the Department of Homeland Security? Or maybe the CIA? Or maybe the NSA? Or the FBI? Or the DIA?
Thank you Fox News, for making the point that DHS, CIA, NSA, FBI, and DIA all breed terrorism.
And thanks again, Fox News.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pm#166
The government does a great job with most of our social programs.
Now that is funny.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmI’m actually beginning to miss IRI.
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
He just disappeared one day. I think the Muslims finally got him… :D
Gotta run… Later ya’lls
HEALTHCARE FOR ALL AMERICANS!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmYa got me Zoo, thanks for the quick redline!
Comment by upside00
We must always be accurate with the Only Me Generation.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmComment by Buck Fush — July 5, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
I’m sorry maybe you would prefer if I said:
Chimpeach! Chimpeach! CHIMPEACH!!!
all day, like you Lefty idiots!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmDoes Moore mention in his “movie” that socialized medicine is being used by Al Qaeda to attack Europeans?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmAnd I was simply pointing out that you and the Comptroller are one (well, sort of one) and the same.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmIf the “Dean of Dissent” doesn’t get the concept that “bigotry” is more relevant when codified into law, maybe the Dean should lose his tenure.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmI was correcting Zooey’s remark in one of the conversations that I missed, which was going on between the threads (so to speak), because of my total infatuation with myself.
Comment by Mr. President
I don’t need correction, thanks. My meaning was clear to the person I was conversing with.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:35 pmAnd I was simply pointing out that you and the Comptroller are one (well, sort of one) and the same.
Comment by Raven
They are actually different people, amazingly enough.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pmIndeed we must, they are Special Needs Children! And I don’t think CT4 likes where I come from. (seemy answer to his question on #160).
July 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pmIf you mean “Great minds think alike” then I agree.
But if you are implying that he is I and I am him, one super-troll who can change handles at lightening fast speeds, then you are mistaken.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pmIRI was driving to fast down a backroad in his huge 4×4, and his rifle bounced out of the gunrack and hit him on the head.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:38 pmHe was spotted at the opening of SiCKO in Dallas, wearing a helmet and neck brace, and panhandling the movie goers.
Comment by wow!
There is absolutely no reason for doctors to make less money just because they are working for a not-for-profit or the government. The profits that milk our system isnt going to the doctors and the drug scientists… its going to wall street and a few very rich execs.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:38 pmThe government does a great job with most of our social programs.
Now that is funny.
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Frank, I think the problem here is that government generally does a good job when competent people are involved. For example, Clinton hired James Lee Witt to run FEMA. Witt was a professional with lots of experience handling natual disasters. FEMA ran great during the Clinton years. Bush, as usual, treated federal appointments as strictly a patronage issue and we got Brownie. The rest is history.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pm“They are actually different people, amazingly enough.”
Comment by Zooey
No………. really?
Watch for me on Colbert, as I attempt to burn my birchbark diploma…………………….
July 5th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI don’t need correction, thanks. My meaning was clear to the person I was conversing with.
Comment by Zooey
Of course you don’t.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:40 pmIt’s amazing how the trolls take control of this blog. You don’t see this much troll traffic at other sites. And folks here just keep arguing with the trolls. It’s like having an arguement with a teenager. There will always be about 1/4 to 1/3 of the people that will neverchange their minds. Who moved the cheese?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:42 pmRaven,
If that is what actually happened to IRI, then we may lose a lot more trolls here…. that gunrack thing is a common affliction among the NRA Repugs. That and getting shot in the face by a drunk Darth Cheney.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:43 pmDoes Moore mention in his “movie†that socialized medicine is being used by Al Qaeda to attack Europeans?
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Frank, let me remind you that the rest of the industrialized world had universal healthcare for their citizens long before we had a “War on Terror.” What’s happened recently? Oh yeah. The War in Iraq. Michael Moore has been arguing for years that the War in Iraq would lead to more terrorism, so I think since that War is newer than universal healthcare, it is more likely that it is what is leading to this new form of terrorism.
Does that make any sense to you? It’s called “critical thinking.”
July 5th, 2007 at 6:44 pm“Actually, yes. In fact, it would get rid of those who only go into medicine for the money.
In SiCKO, the UK doctor drove an Audi, lived in a million dollar home in London and said he was more than comfortable. Anyone who isn’t okay with that has no business being a doctor…”
I don’t care if they are in it or not for the money, I want the best and brightest doing my surgeries.
“It’s why college education is free in many countries.
They would still be making a lot of money. Education Administrators make 6 figures…”
So to have free healthcare you have to have free education?
“They wouldn’t. In the UK, the doctor Moore interviewed made more than twice that as a resident, and said that full MDs make even more. In addition, they get paid extra for positive results – such as getting a patient to stop smoking, so there is still, to a varied degree, reward for good work.”
I like the idea of paying doctors more as their skills grow, but how much is that compared to now? You may not like money being the big incentive to get into medicine, but it is human nature to want to be very well off and live comfortably. Especially if you are in a high stress and high skill job as a surgeon.
“Instead of assuming, do some research and definitely go see SiCKO. CNN fact checked the movie and said that Moore did well…
The government does a great job with most of our social programs. I doubt medicine would be any different considering all the other countries we have to use as a foundation.
Don’t fear what you don’t know – educate yourself with unbiased information and facts…”
I have done a great deal of research on results in other countries and theories on what it would do to our country, which is why I am on the fence. As for unbiased, Moore may have passed the fact check, but that does not mean it was not presented in an unbiased perspective. I don’t think he lied or anything, but I doubt he included any interviews of doctors or nurses that have had problems with universal healthcare or even patients that have had to wait due to lack of beds. He is far from unbiased. I will watch the movie when it comes out on DVD.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:44 pmHmm. That’s odd. I suppose that since you aren’t a patient reader, I should be penalized despite explaining that “that term is to reference Muslims who are terrorists, not Muslims in general.â€
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
As ForTruth pointed out above, you must have no problem whatsoever calling certain so-called African Americans ni**ers, because it doesn’t apply to African Americans in general.
Thanks for clearing that up.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:45 pmIt’s interesting that you can so easily dismiss the one person on this blog who actually gave a shit about what you thought, or thought you might have something to contribute other than this shit you do.
Comment by Zooey
Well Zooey, I hate to say “I told you so.” but I seem to be unable to control myself.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:46 pmWatch for me on Colbert, as I attempt to burn my birchbark diploma…………………….
Comment by Raven
Just don’t throw it at the life-sized Clinton cutout. Ouch!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:47 pmWell Zooey, I hate to say “I told you so.†but I seem to be unable to control myself.
Comment by shane
My dear, I accept your “I told you so,” and I am humbled.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI couldn’t have lived with myself if I hadn’t tried, and I think you’ll agree that I did try. I finally reached my limit.
Don’t be such a stupid Islamist sheik.
Comment by Frank J
Its been SIX years now and you STILL dont know about American bases in Saudi Arabia? About hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq from sanctions? About the original terrorists (who happened to be jews) being given what they demanded by creating a “jewish” state in the middle of arab country? About Irans leader being over thrown for a lacky of the west? About the CIA training Egyptians to torture the religious freaks instead of prison or some other more human tactic? About giving Saddam WMDs? The freakin list goes on and on… were the arabs doing bad things during this time? Yes… but then again THEY LIVE THERE… we dont have any business over there… except OIL…
July 5th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI was just thinking about how lame that last little bit was, he could have ended it much cleaner by tossing it over his shoulder………….;)
July 5th, 2007 at 6:52 pmComment by Frank J
Jews are just like everyone else… they have good people and they have racists.. they have seculars and they have religious extremist racists… and so do the arabs… so it was REALLY stupid planting Israel in the middle of that when we could have brought them all here after WWII.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:54 pmRaven,
Where I come from, we don’t have birch trees only aspen. Guess my diploma would be an aspenbark diploma.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:59 pm“so it was REALLY stupid planting Israel in the middle of that when we could have brought them all here after WWII.”
Comment by Gerald Gibson
Wow, what a fascinating ‘what if’ scenario……………
Along about now we would have the Las Vegas Strip, and the East Bank………
oh, wait,
(never mind…………………………..)
Sorry, Gerald, I couldn’t resist…
July 5th, 2007 at 7:03 pmIn all seriousness, I see your question, and think about the possibility of humans being able to evolve past their histories.
It is sad that the cause of so much violence today is a 6,000 year old grudge match.
I’m in the aspens now as well, I came here from the land of the birches.
Mullein leaves make a good TP substitute if you don’t have a diploma handy.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:06 pmMullein leaves make a good TP substitute if you don’t have a diploma handy.
Comment by Raven
Note to self: Keep any potentially valuable paper products away from Raven. :D
July 5th, 2007 at 7:07 pmComment by Gerald Gibson — July 5, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Egypt and Saudi Arabi are alkaida targets as well, you idiot.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:10 pmComment by Zooey
“Going off to do the paperwork” is fireline code for doing what the bears do in the woods.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:18 pmIt’s also a jab at the never ending flow of bureaucratic paper pushing also involved in the profession.
:)
Note to self: keep rabbits away from Raven.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:20 pmComment by Mr. President
Oh, “quote the raven, nevermore”
July 5th, 2007 at 7:22 pmawwwwwwk!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThere are people here who have first hand experience with psychological disease.
You don’t know if he has the affliction or not, and I thought that this was a rather insensitive statement.
Comment by Mr. President
That door swings both ways doesn’t it? There are people here who are law abiding Muslims but you use offensive language about them all the time. Why would anybody worry about you and CT and your feelings when you worry about nobody but yourselves.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:27 pmOh, I forgot to ask, so like,
July 5th, 2007 at 7:28 pmare you two in the same room together,
like, are you on oposite corels, and can like,
play footsie while you post?
no bureaucracy in our health system at all! nope… no pages and pages of forms to fill out, no slew of phone calls to make, no figuring out who’s in your insurer’s network, no declination of coverage because you forgot to dot an “i” on the application… never… I am glad Fox enlightened me!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:29 pmWe’re about 75 miles away from each other.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:31 pmFrank J,
And OUR system does not allow foreign doctors in??? I can’t believe you’ve fallen for this ridiculous attempt to smear Michael Moore. I have a suggestion for you, if you have health coverage right now, look at the list of in-network and out of network doctor names. You’ll find a ton of foreigners.
In fact, the nursing shortage is so bad in this country, it’s hard NOT to find a foreign nurse in my area (Tampa, FL). The local hospitals are filled with foreign health care professionals. When staying with my parents at a local heart center last year, I found that many of their nurses barely even spoke English. Over a few days, one nurse was Vietnamese, another was from the Dominican Republic, another was Jamaican, etc.
Foreign doctors are drawn to where they can make a living. That includes countries with state provided health care along with countries with a free market, for-profit approach like ours.
Get a clue!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWhy do we care about Fox News anyway? We should be paying more attention to John Edwards lying about his hairdresser.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:38 pmI couldn’t have lived with myself if I hadn’t tried, and I think you’ll agree that I did try. I finally reached my limit.
Comment by Zooey
And that is why you are a better woman than I am. I bow to you Zooey.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWTF?!…Seriously, WTF?
July 5th, 2007 at 7:46 pmyes, Karim, it’s true, there is now a Universal Breeding System that Carefully produces Healthy Terrorists.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:54 pmNothing like reading ignorant Americans sound off! And I’m talking about wow and Mr President and Frank J-ackass..
You guys obviously know nothing about single-payer universal healthcare. And FoxNews clearly knows nothing about bureaucracy.
I just want you guys to knock it off. Our Canadian system is largely under siege because of your Pharma/Insurance lobbies trying to get it privatized. Thank goodness the worst pressure has passed.
I’m sorry, but I couldn’t stand the American system with lying, stealing HMOs meddling with my doctor’s opinion. Or the bizarre division of care between rich and poor. You may like having hospitals set up like restaurants with McHealthcare at the low end and Alain Ducasse Care at the high end, but I think that’s ridiculous.
And where does this bizarre link with terrorists come from. I’d say Republican stupidity breeds terrorism. One only has to look at this White House to see how right that is.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:55 pmFox Noise: We distort, you comply
July 5th, 2007 at 8:07 pmAsk a tough question, and CT disappears…..
July 5th, 2007 at 8:34 pmThe government does a great job with most of our social programs.
Now that is funny.
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
You think the fire fighters and police did a bad job in NYC on 9/11?
You think 39 cents to mail a letter 2500 miles away in three days is outrageous?
You think providing your children with a free babysitting service that also teaches many of them elementary reading, writing and math skills is a travesty?
You think our military is weak and incompetent?
You think the quality of your tap water is so bad you must boil it just to drink it?
No? Then STFU.
July 5th, 2007 at 8:58 pmDoes Moore mention in his “movie†that socialized medicine is being used by Al Qaeda to attack Europeans?
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Of course not – it was a documentary. You know, a film based upon FACTS.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:01 pmWow. That’s actually the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:01 pmI don’t care if they are in it or not for the money, I want the best and brightest doing my surgeries.
You should care. It’s the difference bewteen good and bad health care.
So to have free healthcare you have to have free education?
No…
Not all countries provide free education. France, however, does.
I like the idea of paying doctors more as their skills grow, but how much is that compared to now? You may not like money being the big incentive to get into medicine, but it is human nature to want to be very well off and live comfortably. Especially if you are in a high stress and high skill job as a surgeon.
That wouldn’t change that much, as I pointed out. They would still be very highly paid.
I have done a great deal of research on results in other countries and theories on what it would do to our country, which is why I am on the fence.
So far, your assertions don’t align with the research I’ve seen.
I could post some links if you’d like.
As for unbiased, Moore may have passed the fact check, but that does not mean it was not presented in an unbiased perspective. I don’t think he lied or anything, but I doubt he included any interviews of doctors or nurses that have had problems with universal healthcare or even patients that have had to wait due to lack of beds.
Again, you’re making a lot of assumptions without having seen the movie.
He lets the people in the film speak for themselves…
He is far from unbiased. I will watch the movie when it comes out on DVD.
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
It’s hard to believe you really are interested in a balanced perspective when you’re not willing to give the ‘pro’ side a voice… Just saying…
July 5th, 2007 at 9:12 pmThe [security] problem with socialized medicine in a place like the UK is its reliance on foreign medical professionals.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:26 pmPerhaps America could do an expriement where the blue states get UHC, and the red states do not. I bet it wouldn’t be two years before the red states were begging to join…
Comment by unbelievable
This is a very good idea.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:31 pmBTW, I have lived in Japan, which offers a national health service to those who don’t have insurance through the workplace (large companies, government offices, universities/schools, etc.). And like Norway and Sweden already mentioned by another poster, Japan is hardly famous for producing terrorists. The last and most famous terror attack in Japan occurred over a decade ago and was carried out by members of a homegrown religious cult (now almost defunct)–not by Muslims.
The [security] problem with socialized medicine in a place like the UK is its reliance on foreign medical professionals.
Comment by Toliver — July 5, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Er, no – this is called a ‘non sequitur’ – socialized medicine => foriegn medical professionals => security problem. Nope, not proven.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:43 pmJust when you thought they couldn’t get any more inane in their talking points, they have to go and prove you wrong.
Get a grip Faux Noise.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:52 pmWe are the only industrialized country that does not have universal health care. So, I guess all those other countries are breeding terrorists right and left.
My sister moved to England 20 years ago. She wanted to come back 10 years ago but realized that she really couldn’t leave. She has guaranteed health insurance, and a great social safety net that she would have to give up to come back to the US. She decided to stay.
July 5th, 2007 at 9:57 pmDid you read the story about the showing of Sicko in a Texas theater. It seems that a bunch of people who had seen the movie started conferring in the lobby about how they could become activists to lobby for Universal health care. This was in Texas! All I can say is WOW!
I find it disgusting that we are the only industrialized nation that thinks health care is a privilege and not a right.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:02 pmWhat is real terror??
Real terror is living within this country one health problem away from being homeless.
With the high cost of health care, that is if you are lucky enough to have it, the outrageous cost could cause you to lose your home, or ruin your credit report making it impossible for a decent eligible rental home.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:02 pmStatements like the above are not offered for their truth, but for the ability of the speaker to state them with confidence.
As long as they look and the camera and boldly proclaim utter nonsense, someone will believe the nonsense …. because the guy said it so confidently.
Actually, the weirder the statement, the more effective the tactic, because we “factinistas” will focus on the truth issue rather than the persuasion issue. So don’t fall into the trap; just humiliate the fool as he is trying to humiliate you.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:04 pmI find it disgusting that we are the only industrialized nation that thinks health care is a privilege and not a right.
Comment by Katie
Others in other countries can not believe WE put up with this.. Here we are with a sad health care system, losing our pensions, losing our jobs, we have a F’ed up president.. all this and we are not out in the streets. You hear some of these folks listening online as it is day time in their country, call in to the late night talk shows.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:10 pmUniversal health care “breeding ground” for terror?
Of course, the complete idiocy of that claim goes unnoticed by the “conservatives” in this blog who tend to believe anything Fox tells them.
The way things are going, these brain dead Bush loyalist will soon be claiming that nice, sunny weather is also “breeding ground” for terror.
July 5th, 2007 at 10:51 pmThe way things are going, these brain dead Bush loyalist will soon be claiming that nice, sunny weather is also “breeding ground†for terror.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 5, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
I call them Acerebralists. Drives them nuts. :)
July 5th, 2007 at 11:07 pmTalk about letting us eat cake!
July 5th, 2007 at 11:25 pmHey Fox! Dumb f’ing TV networks breed dumb citizens.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:32 pmI love how the right always characterizes single-payer as the equivalent of the UK Naitonal Health Service. Bowers says terrorist docs could hide out in the bureaucracy of a US health service if single payer is passed. This BS is fueling 2 fears: terrorism and “socialized medicine” Single payer would keep existing medical pracitces in place. It would be just like Medicare for the entire country. God these people piss me off.
July 5th, 2007 at 11:37 pmI hope even conservatives can see how ludicrous this argument is, and start to crack down on their own crackpots.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:28 amConservatives, DON’T DRINK THE PUNCH!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:30 amIt’s not too late for you. There is still time for redemption. Join the side that loves America truthfully and passionately. Become a progressive.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:32 amMr Bowyer looked in the mirror this morning and pronounced his look “perfect,” and left the house.
Wow.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:36 amComment by Zooey — July 6, 2007 @ 12:36 am
“I feel mahvelous, but more importantly, I LOOK mahvelous!”
July 6th, 2007 at 12:46 amGotta love how the US media rules people with fear as much as their government does.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:22 amI just want to know who let the man even on the show. Why does it seem that any time we are on the way of realization someone tries to put terrorist win logo on it.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:39 am“I feel mahvelous, but more importantly, I LOOK mahvelous!â€
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
You do, but someone should talk to Mr Bowyer. Ugh.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:41 amFauxNews faux reporting:
Breeding gound for terror?
July 6th, 2007 at 2:59 amThe funny part about this is that we already give terrorists free health care at abu ghraib.
Oh well.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:25 amIsn’t the first rule of being a good businessman (i.e. capitalist) to get rid of the middleman? In this case, the middleman for consumers is the HMO’s. They rake in 17-25% profit, compared to medicare, whose administrative overhead is about 1%. I’d much rather have 99% of my health care dollars going to my doctor (or being saved by me) than going to pay administrative fees, fat CEO salaries, and shareholders.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:44 amInvading countries using false claims:
Breeding ground for terror?
July 6th, 2007 at 3:44 amOil grabs halfway around the globe:
Breeding ground for terror?
July 6th, 2007 at 3:54 amI hope Mr. Bowyer’s health care plan covers insanity. Otherwise, he’s going to go broke.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:32 amyes. providing the poor and down trodden a service that will alleviate some of their suffering will result in terrorism… WEEEE…
July 6th, 2007 at 7:14 amThe funny thing about this for me is “oh no, government bureaucracy”. What does the writer of the article think HMOs and insurance companies are, anyway?
Sure, sure, they’re free enterprise… but they’re freaking bureacracies! Only we have hundreds and thousands of them.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:30 amTo show how the world really is try this
July 6th, 2007 at 7:33 amhttp://tools.google.com/gapminder/#$majorMode=chart$is;shi=t;ly=2003;lb=f;il=t;fs=11;al=30;stl=t;st=t;nsl=t;se=t$wst;tts=C$ts;sp=6;ti=2001$zpv;v=0$inc_x;mmid=XCOORDS;iid=SH.MED.PHYS.ZS;by=ind$inc_y;mmid=YCOORDS;iid=SP.DYN.LE00.IN;by=ind$inc_s;uniValue=20;iid=NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD;by=ind$inc_c;uniValue=255;gid=1004;iid=SP.POP.DPND;by=grp$map_x;scale=log;dataMin=0.8781;dataMax=5.65$map_y;scale=lin;dataMin=67;dataMax=83$map_s;sma=20;smi=1.2$inds=USA_pHvbcbs;ITA_lHva3aC;JPN_tHv,,,,;GRC_dHvbzaW;SWE_pHvaja2;CHE_lHva3aC;CHL_lHvanaI;BLR_lHva7al;GEO_lHvbvan;GBR_hHvaKa6;CAN_lHvbtaG;MUS_dHvaMbt;CHN_dHvbEaK;SLV_dHvbWam;JAM_lHvaya1;UZB_hHvaPav;BRA_dHvaKaY;TUR_hHvataL;PRY_lHva6ay
and all to the right have more doctors per 1000 folk, Mouse over a bubble and you will see what country is showing that bubble, you need no other argument except that all beyond us are Government health care
While you folks wail away at the various straw men you have erected for this idiotic comment stream, you might want to consider the connection between the British physician shortage and the relaxed immigration process that the bad guys exploited.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:36 amWhat a nonsense.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:03 amThis is a bit drastic. The British immigration factor is the key… you must secure the borders
July 6th, 2007 at 8:11 amBlueCross Secret Memo Re: ‘Sicko’ … “You would have to be dead to be unaffected by Moore’s movie…”
July 6th, 2007
Friends,
An employee who works at Capital BlueCross has sent us a confidential memo written and circulated by its Vice President of Corporate Communications, Barclay Fitzpatrick. His job, it seems, was to go and watch “Sicko,” observe the audience’s reaction, and then suggest a plan of action for how to deal with the movie.
The memo, which I am releasing publicly in this email, is a fascinating look at how one health care company views “Sicko” — and what it fears its larger impact will be on the public. The industry’s only hope, the memo seems to indicate, is if the movie “flops.”
Mr. Fitzpatrick writes: “In typical Moore fashion, Government and business leaders are behind a conspiracy to keep the little guy down and dominated while getting rich.”
No. You don’t say! That can’t be!
BlueCross V.P. Fitzpatrick seems downright depressed about the movie he just saw. “You would have to be dead to be unaffected by Moore’s movie,” he writes. “Sicko” leaves audiences feeling “ashamed to be…a capitalist, and part of a ‘me’ society instead of a ‘we’ society.”
He walks out of the theater only to witness an unusual sight: people — strangers — mingling and talking to each other. “‘I didn’t know they (the insurers) did that!’ was a common exclamation followed by a discussion of the example,” according to Fitzpatrick.
He then assesses the film’s impact: “[T]he impact on small business decision makers, our members, the community, and our employees could be significant. Ignoring its impact might be a successful strategy only if it flops, but that has not been the history of Moore’s films … If popular, the movie will have a negative impact on our image in this community.”
The BlueCross memo then suggests a strategy in dealing with “Sicko” and offers the BCBS “talking points” to be used in discounting the film.
My heartfelt thanks to the employee who sent this to me.
And now a word from me to Capital BlueCross:
How ’bout a debate? No more secret memos and hand wringing about the millions seeing “Sicko.” Just me and your CEO openly debating the merits of a system that kills thousands of innocent Americans every year.
In the meantime, I hope you don’t mind me sharing your thoughts and impressions in your well-written memo. And if the rest of your executive team hasn’t seen “Sicko,” it opens in an additional 100 cities tonight for a total of over 700 screens across North America. Attendance went up a whopping 56% on the 4th of July, higher than any other film in the theaters right now. But don’t be scared, and certainly don’t be ashamed to be a capitalist. Greed is good! Especially good for you. There’s nothing like having the pre-existing condition of being rich, should you ever get sick and need help.
Yours,
Michael Moore
July 6th, 2007 at 8:27 ammmflint@aol.com
http://www.michaelmoore.com
Barclay Fitzpatrick
Vice President
Corporate Communications
Capital BlueCross
(w) 717-541-7752
(c) 717-329-3648
barclay.fitzpatrick@capbluecross.com
MichaelMooreTalkingPoints61807.doc
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association
Talking Points in Response to Michael Moore’s “Sicko”
June 2007
1) The Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association (BCBSA) and the 39 Blue Cross and Blue Shield companies are committed to improving the U.S. healthcare system for our nearly 100 million members through continuous innovation that reflects the ever-changing healthcare landscape and the needs of the consumer.
2) The Blues recognize the need for improvement of both the coverage and delivery of healthcare. But the divisive tone set forth by Michael Moore and his movie “Sicko” is not helpful. Positive change to our healthcare system can be best achieved through shared responsibility, not recrimination. To ensure Americans have access to the best healthcare that is both timely, efficient, and of high quality, requires the collective contribution of all stakeholders — consumers, providers, employers and the government.
3) The Blues participation in the Health Coverage Coalition for the Uninsured is a primary example of how the broader healthcare community is working together to reduce the number of uninsured in the United States.
4) The Blues are working on myriad initiatives that ensure Americans have access to quality and affordable healthcare. Each day, Blue Plans across the country are bringing healthcare value to their members in a number of ways such as new advances in health information technology and greater access to cost and quality information. In addition:
o The Blues recently created Blue Health Intelligence a data resource that will shine light on emerging medical trends and treatment options in an unprecedented way. To further the use of evidenced-based medicine, BCBSA has called upon Congress to establish an independent, payer-funded institute that will study the comparative effectiveness of new and existing medical treatments and procedures.
o Blue Cross and Blue Shield companies are at the forefront of healthcare transparency by providing their members with online access to real-time information related to provider quality and the cost of common healthcare services. In addition, the Blues have committed to making personal health records available to their members by 2008.
o We are working to ensure that Medicare is funded appropriately and that seniors continue to have access to comprehensive benefits.
5) The Blues are proud of these efforts and we will continue to work with consumers, providers, employers and the government to provide Americans with the healthcare services and information they need to lead full, healthy lives.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:28 amDo you think doctors would want to be govt employees?
Would that encourage the brightest minds to turn to medicine where they would make a fraction of what they make now?
Would they be willing to go to school for so many years and have such high student loans to be govt employees?
Your priority may not be making money, but do you want doctors to make $30k-$40K a year?
This drivel is pure ignorance of how works an Universal Healthcare system. We have Universal Healthcare system, but most doctors work only part time for the Universal Healthcare system, and the rest of the time, they do what they want. Work for private hospitals, have its own office, etc.
it’s not an all or nothing. And they still make big bucks.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:35 amIt is nuts to think people out there listen to this garbage and think this it as truth. What does not breed terror these days when it comes to republicans moving their agenda forward and Fox News supporting it?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:47 ambureaucratic personalities + terrorists = universal health care
education + terrorists = compulsory public education
retirement benefits + terrorists = social security
women + terrorists = abortion
beer + terrorists = professional sports
gambling + terrorists = hubs of terrorist activity Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Morocco
pollution + terrorists = The Sierra Club, EPA, World Wildlife Federation, Clean Air Act, CAFE
humor + terrorists = West Wing (television program) now history due to the valiant efforts of FEMA and DHS and dishonorable mention – South Park, Robin Williams, Rosie O’Donnell, and other insurgents
Donald Trump + terrorists = Trump Tower and reality series
Wealth + terrorists = Buffet, Gates and Paris Hilton
Music + terrorists = Bono
Al Gore + terrorists = global warming
President + terrorists = Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Feith, Pearle, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Armitage, Rove, Judy Garland including the entire cast of characters from Iran/Contra and The Wizard of Oz
insurance companies + terrorists = for profit health care system
big business + terrorists = $7.15 minimum wage, raided pension funds, racketeering, no overtime pay, no vacations, child labor, unequal pay based on sex, religion, race?, ugliness, weight, disability, and amount of body hair, unsafe working conditions and pollution
administration + terrorists = Friedman Units
immigration + terrorists = brown people
voting + terrorists = elected republicans
Patriot Act, Military Commissions, torture, suspension of due process + terrorists = republican congresspersons
…well, you get the picture.
July 6th, 2007 at 8:54 amAh, yes… this explains your overwhelming amount of terrorist firemen ;-)
July 6th, 2007 at 9:16 am“A state run health care enterprise is bureaucratic, and I think the terrorists have shown over and over again, whether it’s dealing with INS or whether it’s dealing with airport security, they’re very good at gaming the system with bureaucracies.”
that’s puzzling .. because it’s clear from the insurance based US healthcare system that the US system is even more bureaucratic then the Universal Healthcare systems. … i.e. the fact that a bigger proportion of medical expenses in the US go to pay desk jockeys than people at the medicla coalface.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:21 amwow…nice propaganda ladened country we live next to…..thank god it too cold up her for any of those bastards to come up here…sorry i have to go fight the terrorists that are rampant in my country now….but don’t worry if i get hurt i have free health care !!!
July 6th, 2007 at 9:29 amFox News really missed the boat with this one. What they didn’t report is that universal health care increases the likelihood that humans will interbreed with baboons, which would make their charismatic leader, George Bush, a prophet when he warned against “human-animal hybrids.”
Since this would be such an astonishing non-sequitor, there would be plenty of air time to extend the argument by blaming the baboons for excessive pheromone production, in classic “blame the victim” fashion.
The future is now, folks.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:30 amI would imagine that, given the emergence of fascism, breeding terrorists can be taken quite literally, since anyone who is born at this time in history will likely be very troubled to discover, as s/he develops and grows, that the fascist system of government doesn’t bode well for realizing any human potential, that individual fulfillment is forever stifled for the stability and ruthlessness of the fascist state.
So the “breeding of terrorists” will likely happen, but not in the manner that FoxNews would like us to believe.
Look out for the activation of Executive Order 51. It WILL be activated to keep the neo-cons in control. We WILL see the summary execution of the Constitution before January, 2009. And FoxNews will be there to keep you informed.
(Has there been a coup yet? or did it come in through the back door seven years ago?)
July 6th, 2007 at 9:42 amSo if terrorists can breed, does that mean they’re not gay? No wonder the right-wing likes terrorists so much…
It’s shameful that FOX News is permitted to present themselves as a credible news outlet.
July 6th, 2007 at 9:58 amFox must be a bit desperate for newsiness these days!
Of course, it’s not good that some doctors the NHS employed from overseas might be involved in terrorism, but to say that the NHS is a baaaad idea? That universal health care therefore breeds terrorists? I laughed so hard I nearly fell off my chair.
The NHS has provided free healthcare to British people since 1948, and okay, so it has its problems and waiting lists and such. But it’s been providing FREE HEALTHCARE to the Brits for nearly SIXTY years. That sounds pretty amazing to me.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:08 amOMG, LMAO!
By this logic, the Post Office and the Social Security office are “breeding grounds for terrorists“.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:18 amNice. I’m tired of being afraid of the “tirrrirrisss” (terrorists). What a crock. No one’s buying this anymore. By the way, Kurt Loder, if you’re not into socialism, then I guess you’re not into public education, unemployment compensation, the fire department, the police, road construction/maintenance, workforce centers, the Veterans Hospitals…nah, you don’t need any of that. It’s a socialist nightmare.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:19 amFox news never lets me down. Every time I think they cannot possible become any less realistic or any more insane, they top themselves. What next, libraries as jihadist centers? What next; close all libraries in the name of national security???? What about the Department of Motor Vehicles? Secretive, bureaucratic, pervasive, its Got to be a front for Jihadis! Ablolish DMV, in the name of national security!
July 6th, 2007 at 10:36 amThis is beyond stupid! So if what he says is true, what must follow is that the bureaucracy of the Bush administration is also a breeding ground for terrorists. Whoops! Bet he didn’t mean to say that.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:53 amImagine if they had to say these reports in front of a live audience. They’d get laughed off the stage. The ONLY way to say something this dumb with a straight face is in a closed studio.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:08 amWhat is real terror?
Real Terror is powerful news media programming the weak minds of the public with headlines like…”Universal Healthcare Breeds Terrorists”.
Fox News is real terror.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:18 amGeorge Bush is real terror.
Dick Cheney is real terror.
Tony Snow is real terror.
So the argument is bureaucracy leads to terrorism since terrorists will manipulate the system. So, does this mean that terrorists have inflintrated the FBI, CIA and the white house? Perhaps they have even reached into the DMV, from there they will strike into American hearts by issuing licenses to bad drivers… Tom Clancy novel you say? I think so…
July 6th, 2007 at 11:26 amIt appears the only real long term solution to terrorism is to abolish doctors.
July 6th, 2007 at 11:34 amWhy are there so many pundits, whose sole purpose is to be just plain idiotic in the name of supporting a buffoons politics. Loose lips sink countries! Pundits are usually right wing and moronic – lets make a black list of them all !
July 6th, 2007 at 11:37 amWho is this nut and how much did he get paid for making a fool out of himself?
July 6th, 2007 at 12:02 pmWhat I want to know, is how connected must BigPharma, Insurance, BigMedicine, and BigMedia be in order to issue a Hit like this? Connected at the Hip. They have moles and trolls, who Fox is eager to invite on-air, that are ready to make wild haymaker suggestions like Single Payer Health Care will breed terrorists?
Cavuto, or Bowyers, even Scaife do not believe this crap. They would not have dreamt this angle up. This wasn’t their idea. The whole Corporate Viper Nest is in bed with one another….and the slightest attack on any of their brethren is met with 100% pushback.
This was all quite predictable, and very visible with what happened to Clinton Health Care. They tried to strike a blow for Middle and Lower America. Big Pharm, Big Insurance, and Big Medicine saw the danger to their gravy train. Every Grey Man in a grey suit, who normally likes to operate in the shadows, came forth to STOMP on the Clintons and their fair and sensible and decent proposal. They didn’t just kill the bill, they burned it and doused it in acid. They hung Hillary’s corpse from the Main Gate and dared anyone else to challenge them….see what we did to Hilary? they said.
July 6th, 2007 at 12:27 pmYep, Bowyer is correct Canada’s System is infested with Al qa’ida…We should get Duncan Hunter to build a fence on the northern border.
Besides after jumping through all the very easy hoops of my insuracrasy they were able to deny my claim in a matter of minutes it would have taken the government weeks to deny me.
What a jackass, highly paid jackass mind you…
July 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pmI love the statement in a question tactic that Fox uses. It amuses me more every time I see it. As if they can stop the groundswell of pissed off Americans who want better medical coverage with partisan stories and leading questions like this.
Does Dick Cheney kidnap children in the night and eat them?
Does President Bush descend to hell each night to get marching orders from Satan?
Is Karl Rove planning on detonating nuclear war heads in major U.S. cities just for to see what mushroom clouds look like?
I’m not saying any of it’s true — I’m just asking!
July 6th, 2007 at 12:52 pmAre there really people in our country that still believe in this BS? Neal Cavuto is a puppet -Get it!
Well the worst is to come as soon as Rupert M. completes his buy-outs of mass media.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:01 pmLies Lies Lies…
July 6th, 2007 at 1:16 pm“…the big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart.” — Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:33 pmThe preceding message has been brought to you by the good folks at Aetna, Humana and Blue Cross/Blue Shield…
July 6th, 2007 at 1:44 pmUtter hilarity, if not for the reality that people believe this shit.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThat statement points a finger right at the Bushies.The Idiot in the WH has created the biggest bureaucracy known to man and yes they are professional “terrist” breeders.Witness Iraq.Nothing but a breeding ground.Yea George,good way to beat them there terrists is by breeding more.Typical right wing nutology.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:51 pm… and of course, the private sector has no bureaucracies at all, as we can all testify to, right? :)
I’d be willing to bet that your average public sector employed MD in this country works as many, or more, hours, for less, than his private sector equivalent, and I’d also be willing to bet that damn few of them are spending their time slacking on the Internet instead of tending patients.
… and of course, single-payer healthcare (ala Medicare and Medicaid) doesn’t mean that your doctor suddenly becomes a government employed bureaucrat ala the NHS in the U.K.
July 6th, 2007 at 2:17 pmThat is freaking hysterical. The only scary thing about it is that people actually take these complete retards seriously.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:13 pmActually, I think they just have a bunch of Conservative buzz-words that they put in a pile, and then ala William S. Burroughs and his cut up experiments, they put them together to form sentences. In this case, Terrorism and Free Markets came together, and the rest is history.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:25 pmBOO!! Gotcha! (But only if you’re a republican).
July 6th, 2007 at 3:31 pmWell, they sure know how to run a word into the ground..terrorist. Don’t they know it doesn’t work anymore?
July 6th, 2007 at 3:34 pmConservatives: WRONG on health care
July 6th, 2007 at 4:04 pmSame Players. Different Scandal. Just another blessing from the FOX news crew. Oddly enough I just wrote an article on Bill Kristol. Media Pundit? or Policy Maker? This Machiavellian crew keeps usurping power
July 6th, 2007 at 4:04 pmYeah, the British are in such mortal danger compared to what happened here on September 11. The suspects were successfully *arrested*, oh no!
July 6th, 2007 at 4:14 pmOk, let’s take this on its most basic level. Let’s assume that EVERY terrorist attack in the Britain in the last 7 years is entirely the fault of national healthcare.
Deaths caused by NHS : 50ish
Deaths prevented by free access to medicine for all citizens? Bet you it’s just a touch more than 50.
For any country to claim to be first world, but restrict healthcare to the rich and lucky is hillarious.
July 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pmI think Mr. President is indeed Mr. President. Think about it…the logic, or lack thereof, is about the same level. The ability to debate…same level and with no one to tell him what to say, i.e. the transmitter on the back, his true level of intellect shines through clearly…us or them mentality…and face it…does anyone really think Bush is doing anything President-like when he’s in the Oval Office? I bet he wears that Bomber jacket while he plays on the internet…oops, internets, I mean…
July 6th, 2007 at 4:45 pmIt does not matter if it right or wrong that national health care systems are breeding grounds for terrorists. What matters is that YOU (if you wish to be successful) need to learn getting around bureaucracies.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:11 pmthe subject is idiotic, no doubt.
and your comment is as arrogant as the other is stupid.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmthat would be comment #1
July 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pm“Stupid is as stupid does” –
July 6th, 2007 at 5:43 pm+Forest gump
This is a great example of the kind of brainwashing that has lead Americans to believe that our current health care system is acceptable. It’s absolute not acceptable. Not even close.
July 6th, 2007 at 5:52 pmIs this for real?
July 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWhile reading these posts on the MD terrorists, I realized FOX News has helping them with everything a terrorist could want:
July 6th, 2007 at 6:24 pmTerror suspects–FOX gives them constant news coverage!
Even though they can’t build a functioning bomb–FOX treats them as “special” and “important”.
Discovering the terrorist’s are MDs–FOX gives them the “Paris Hilton treatment”–non-stop coverage now, even trying to connect the story to something of relevance.
As long as FOX news is there to help them, the terrorists will always be successful–FOX News wouldn’t have it any other way.
Besides, FOX news doesn’t know squat about domestic policy to discuss with any credibility.
Despite all the ridicule in the comments above, the underlying point may actually have =some= validity.
We’ve seen in Britain, that the open borders and lavish welfare state (including welfare handouts and “free” health care) have been a big attraction to Jihadis from all over, allowing foreign radical imams to arrive in the UK, radicalize as many British Muslims as possible, all while living off the public tab.
I don’t believe socialist health care =causes= terrorism, but in this case, as one part of the larger social welfare state, it has in some cases facilitated it (irregardless of the fact that it is the best way to provide a poor level of health care to everyone equally, as we have experienced here in Canada).
I highly recommend the good book “Londonistan” (by Melanie Phillips) for more insight on this angle of Islamic terrorism.
July 6th, 2007 at 6:45 pmYeah, sure. Universal healthcare is a breeding ground… I guess, that’s why we have all those French, Italian, Austrian, German, Spanish, Swiss, Swedish, Danish, Dutch, Belgian, Finnish, Norwegian… terrorists on this planet. Oh, no, wait a second. There are NO terrorists coming from these countries? Now wait, the terrorists come from the countries where people have NO or insufficient health care like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:46 pmGod give those FOX News people a brain and teach them how to use it.
As a Brit living in France for the last 12 years, I sadly have to admit that Fox have hit the nail smack bang on the head. I personally have been blown up and killed five times in the Uk, and three times in France, by evil, maniacally-grinning, beard-wearing foreign doctors who are paid fortunes to hand over to Al-Quaida immediately.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:52 pmJesus, do some of you REALLY believe this shit?
(And yes, I really am a Brit living in France – the rest was A JOKE for you right-wing knuckle-draggers out there. Get a bleedin’ life. Especially Frank J, who seems to know everything about our health systems over here in Europe.)
No offence:-)))
Um, I believe or 51st state, Israel, also has universal healthcare (for Jews anyway). How come none of these flying monkeys ever accuse them of being socialists? Hmm?
July 6th, 2007 at 8:54 pm…..BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!@@!!!@!!!!!!
July 6th, 2007 at 10:15 pmWhat we need is David Schuster to put the questions to Bowyer–questions like: Why is it when profit margins are threatened (the private health care industry or anything!), the extortion barrons get their PR flacs in front of the cameras to start theatening terrorism.
Go, Davey Dog Go! Sick-em!
July 6th, 2007 at 10:57 pmI’m all for Free Speech, but fox news should be banned on grounds that the more air time they get the dumber the RIGHT aka WRONG gets.
July 6th, 2007 at 10:57 pmWow. Universal healthcare is the only way to go. How can we call ourselves “good” people if we don’t do this.
July 7th, 2007 at 4:00 amBack when Dr.’s were interested in helping people and not getting wealthy from the insurance and pharmecuetical companies….individuals had a chance…now it’s all about the money. Our country has been invaded by greedy sick minded people lured by the corporate dole. What the hell is wrong with a government paid doc that can feel free to run diagnostics and prescribe medicines that have been time proven? He’ll get paid the same and maybe feel better about himself as a human being. If not he should become a corporate lawyer or a politician.
Mike Doty…I’ll post my real name because I am not afraid of you trolls….I am an American and that used to be something pretty damned special before you greedy b*st*rds took over. Now it’s time we real Americans take the reins back. We should start with re-instating the “FAIRNESS DOCTRINE” so that our children can hear all sides of the argument and learn to make decisions on facts rather than propaganda.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:19 amIt kills any future doctors who may have Islamists ideas. What do you think of socialized medicine where 40% of your doctors are trained in foreign countries and allowed free entrance to commit mass murder?
How come Moore left this great benefit of socialized medicine out of his movie?
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Look around Einstein, most of the current Dr.’s in America are foreigners. Jeez
Mike Doty
July 7th, 2007 at 7:31 amI’ll take that as a compliment then null?
July 7th, 2007 at 10:27 amOr……..eh? oh.
Chris
“It kills any future doctors who may have Islamists ideas. What do you think of socialized medicine where 40% of your doctors are trained in foreign countries and allowed free entrance to commit mass murder?”
That’s just brilliant, and so US paranoid that it couldn’t be made up.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:52 amI personally adore the US, (been there several times, as my sister lives in Az), but this really is too much. Do you wonder why the US under W is probably the most hated country on earth? Think about it matey.
Chris(boing boing)
Bowyer needs to shut the hell up, universal health care would be the best thing for this country. So bowyer I would officially like to tell you to, SHOVE IT!
July 7th, 2007 at 6:25 pmThis guy is an idiot, but this is the plan is to try to change what the debate is about. Fox news and the right do this all the time.
If you are against the war the debate is whether you are against the troops, your lack of patriotism or your a terrorist.
We can’t let the RIGHT change the message or what the issues are we need to focus on one issue National Healthcare for all.
National Healthcare would drive our economy to a higher level due to the increase of small business /entrepreneurship.
I know many people that dream of starting their own business myself included, but are unwilling to risk the loss of their health care provided by their employer. I also know people that took the plunge and one of their biggest concerns is maintaining healthcare
coverage for their families.
Stay Focused on the message Healthcare For All.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:02 pmUniversal Health Care? I’ve tried it courtesy of the Navy. I’ll happily pass.
July 7th, 2007 at 7:05 pmI am just going to add to the long list of advocates for univesal health care and the stop of private insurance companies.
July 7th, 2007 at 8:43 pmWhat have the armed forces got to do with this debate?
July 7th, 2007 at 9:10 pmSorry, but that I just don’t understand.
wow i like the poster at the top saying how the right don’t know how stupid they are. guts hurt from laughing.
July 7th, 2007 at 10:31 pmbeing stupid is half the battle. they are totally pwning stuff.
LMFAO…….what a ridiculous propaganda piece. FOX NEWS….and you want thinking people to take you serious…oh thats right you dimwits to go ut and start repeating this garbage.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:10 amLet me see if I have this right…the Social Security Administration, Medicare, and the Department od Defense are breeding grounds for terrorism?
July 8th, 2007 at 9:16 amFrank, I can see you’ve done a lot of thinking about this Islamic terrorist doctor thing. Do you think fighting the various factions in Iraq is the best way to deal with this threat? How do you think fighting a war in Iraq prevents terrorists disguised as doctors coming into this or any other country?
I know you’re probably being sarcastic, but the answer to the last question is: no, it won’t. One of the doctors involved in this attack was an Iraqi who came to the UK post-Saddam. This is the first terrorist attack with a direct connection to the invasion of Iraq.
July 8th, 2007 at 10:00 amChriswba-the military gets health care, as do our hard-working elected officials, and it’s run more more efficiently than the privates.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:32 pmThis absurdity will be quoted happily by my in-laws as a reason not to support care for all. I’m continually amazed at how this Christian nation can attack other countries, not serve our own citizens, and turn our backs on people who need help (KATRINA?) We are not following Christ. we are following the almighty dollar. War is money. What would happen if the Islamic jihadists suddenly quit, and there was no one to fight? We have this huge military system, so they have to be doing something somewhere. Hmmm, could they be rebuilding the Gulf Coast? Or helping build wells in Africa? I’d much rather my defense dollars went for positive outcomes. I think the only way to thwart the “terrorists” is the way it was done in England, through intelligence gathering, not guns and missiles.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:39 pmNSA bureaucracy is the best place for terrorists to hide in.
July 8th, 2007 at 1:43 pmStupid is what stupid does!
July 8th, 2007 at 5:04 pmWe all know that Jesus would not want everyone to have health care.
July 8th, 2007 at 8:23 pmMy elderly mother has had over 20 different caregivers in the last 3 months as they rotate from week to week. None have health care except those that are on medicare. Only 2 were on medicare. All are caucasians!
Found some good background info on Jerry Bowyers (the person interviewed by Fox News)!!
See here the infamous interview (the info on Jerry Bowyers is in the introduction to the clip):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2c-JEx-Kfvc
July 9th, 2007 at 8:08 amI find it interesting that the bureacracy that would notice if my doctor is reading Bin Laden fatwas isn’t susceptible to terrorism, but the bureacracy of national healthcare is. Hmmm….
July 9th, 2007 at 8:09 amSusie – thanks for that – but it still doesn’t make sense to me.
July 9th, 2007 at 12:16 pmThe armed forces are a state on their own within a country, so I understand your point, but I don’t see the link with universal, national healthcare for a whole, largely civilian country.
And michiganmom – well said!
Chris
Apart from the religious bit…..:-) sorry missed that first time.
July 9th, 2007 at 12:24 pmHas a “normal” civilian like Bin Laden the right to issue Fatwa? I thought that this was something limited to religious leaders like the Mullah. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
July 9th, 2007 at 12:30 pmI think Fox News has a point. Universal health care DOES lead to terrorism. I also believe that the U.S. Postal Service encourages satan worship, and Social Security causes herpes.
July 11th, 2007 at 4:13 amJosh marshall has been doing really good work on this story- he put together a video compelation in today’s TPMtv episode on- http://www.veracifier.com
July 12th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI am a Canadin commenting on the “free” medicare argument.
Last year I had no income and paid no taxes. Despite this I had cataract surgery, treatment for diabetes, renal clinic management monthly– all with mo out-of pocket cost to me except for bus fare.
July 12th, 2007 at 2:11 pmFurther I will likely have home dialysis later this year with equipment in home, training, support, renovations if required — all at no cost to me beyond the taxes paid over my lifetime.
There is no question it is free with NO cost at the point of providing services.
Believe me folks, it works and is always getting better.
I am a Canadin commenting on the “free” medicare argument.
Last year I had no income and paid no taxes. Despite this I had cataract surgery, treatment for diabetes, renal clinic management monthly– all with no out-of pocket cost to me except for bus fare.
July 12th, 2007 at 2:13 pmFurther I will likely have home dialysis later this year with equipment in home, training, support, renovations if required — all at no cost to me beyond the taxes paid over my lifetime.
There is no question it is free with NO cost at the point of providing services.
Believe me folks, it works and is always getting better.
Ummmm…. this was said in a few posts already but I like to reiterate that our whole system almost is made up bureaucracies. Let’s see here to name a few our military, gov’t, education, postal, federal agencies…. my god to think that the neocons are admitting that all of these are suscetible to terrorist infiltration. So, if the neocons are so afraid of bureaucracies then why is the rest of our system full of them?
July 13th, 2007 at 5:12 pmWow, where do I begin?
I never said universal health care breeds terrorism. For the record, I’m for universal health care and have been for some time.
I did say that National Health Services and other similar systems have lower pay scales than private systems which has created a doctor shortage, which indeed it has. This has caused an influx of med workers from the developing world. Looks like some of them were terrorists.
I don’t work for Dick Scaife nor the pharmaceutical companies, but if anyone has a good contact in big Pharma, let me know. I could use the money.
I didn’t attack Sicko. I haven’t seen it, and didn’t even know it was out at the time of the interview.
My hair is not a toupee, and it’s grey, not blonde.
I’m neither evil, nor stupid.
I am not a neo-con.
The video-clip omits most of the interview I had with Neal on this topic. I wonder why.
To the same among you:
Regards,
Jerry Bowyer
p.s. to the rest, Pax et Sanus
July 15th, 2007 at 8:53 pmthey are making health care a big subject for next elections, and they want to dig their fingers deeper into control.
July 16th, 2007 at 6:58 pmThe American Right Wing have reduced humanity to a dollar value; they only see their fellow man as a means to extract money from him, a means to an end, the Right lack humanity, despite calling themselves “christian”.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:43 amI am a 31 year old guy living in california. Up untill a year ago i had NO insurance whatsoever. I lived in constant fear of getting sick, breaking a bone etc.
I do not agree with everything Mr Moor has said in his movies in the past . But on this movie ‘Sicko’ he moved me to tears.
I am having a very hard time at this moment controlling myself. My mind is SCREAMING out obscenities towards my fellow Americans asking them WHY THE HELL DO YOU LET THIS HAPPEN !!
I am not rich i make less then 10k a year, there are MANY people making 3-4 times as much as me who still can not afford health care for themselves let alone their children.
For god sakes.. If a little country like Cuba can provide free health care for its people why the bloody hell cant we !!!!!!
Corporations are killing this country with their greed.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:20 amsicko must be having a hell of an effect on fox news………silly morose lying morons trying to use FEAR yet again to scare the public from accepting what is inherently good for them……fools will not realize it till it is too late………
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmgood thing there are sane well balance people out there who can fight for everyone’s right to healthcare and happiness and freedom from war.
It’s obvious that no health care is better than a state run health care system. Also, no health care for children is better than Bush’s ideological opposition to children’s health care. This according to Bush promising to veto legislation for children’s health care. But they can’t vote anyway, so screw ‘em and besides such children would just grow up to be Democrats anyway so who needs or wants them.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:54 amhttp://www.renewamerica.us/columns/jon/070808
August 9th, 2007 at 5:03 pm