Fox News: Universal health care breeds terrorists.
Today on Fox News’s Your World With Neil Cavuto, National Review Online columnist Jerry Bowyer attacked Michael Moore’s movie SiCKO and its positive portrayal of the health care in countries such as Britain and France. He argued that national health care systems are breeding grounds for terrorists because they are “bureaucratic.” “I think the terrorists have shown over and over again…they’re very good at gaming the system with bureaucracies,” said Bowyer.
Bowyer also claimed that in the United States, “if one of your doctors is spending all the time online reading Osama bin Laden fatwas, someone’s going to notice that.”
UPDATE: Michael Roston at Raw Story has compiled conservatives bloggers’ attacks on SiCKO HERE.
Transcript:
A state run health care enterprise is bureaucratic, and I think the terrorists have shown over and over again, whether it’s dealing with INS or whether it’s dealing with airport security, they’re very good at gaming the system with bureaucracies. They’re very good at getting around bureaucracies. […]
And if one of your guys is a jihadist, if one of your doctors is spending all the time online reading Osama bin Laden fatwas, someone’s going to notice that. But the National Health Serfvice is more like the post office, you know there’s a lot of anonymity, it’s easy to hide in the bureaucracy.
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The Right have absolutely no idea how stupid they are.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:55 pmPart of being stupid is not knowing how stupid you are.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pm#1 …or at least they never underestimate the stupidity of their supporters.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pmI’ve heard of reaching but, well, this is so far out of the realm of ridiculous it is just absurd.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pmROTFLMAO
July 5th, 2007 at 4:58 pmI suppose we could apply that logic to any bureaucracy. The DHS and so on.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:59 pmBowyer is a total idiot!
Our ENTIRE government is a f*cking bureaucracy.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmWeren’t most of those MuslimShiteaters ™ in England doctors?
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
And we have a winner - the thread’s first blatantly racist comment! OK, are not McVeigh, Nichols and Rudolph shit eaters of a different persuasion?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmNow this idiot is definitely mentally ill! What a joke! I have to say that it’s original though….who’d a thunk it?? Not anyone with more than a room temperature IQ I’d say. Political suicide is what this idiot has done to himself!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYeah believe the guy with the clown wig on. Yeah, sure.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmThis guy needs to be ridiculed and laughed right off the threads!! What a eejit!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:01 pmGotta love that questioning format. “We didn’t say National Healthcare was a breeding ground, we’re just asking.”
#4. so right you are.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:01 pmSo how would al Qa’ida “get around” the national healthcare bureaucracy, exactly? Would they import generic drugs from Canada or something?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:02 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
I didn’t mention race.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:02 pmThe folks at “The Onion” must be really cranked that Fox “News” is beating them at their own game.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pmAnd we have a winner - the thread’s first blatantly racist comment! OK, are not McVeigh, Nichols and Rudolph shit eaters of a different persuasion?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Mr President makes this racist comment constantly, but claims not to be a racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:03 pmFor Truth: Posted this on the last thread in error….
As for the rug on this fools dome, I believe it’s part of the “nostalgic series” entitled “The Buster Brown”! He looks as ridiculous as he sounds.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pmHey Z! Mr. P hasn’t a shred of credibility in any of his posts and is always throwing bigotry in our faces. Ignore the village idiot and he slinks away.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pmTerrorism doesn’t exist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:04 pmSounds to me like this guy thinks that the Post Office could be a breeding ground for terrorists. Quick, some one let the righties know that they need to hide under the bed when the mail arrives!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:05 pmMichael Moore said that they would say this… LOL
You can always tell what the neocons fear the most by what they fear-monger the most.
It’s never the right things.
Perhaps America could do an expriement where the blue states get UHC, and the red states do not. I bet it wouldn’t be two years before the red states were begging to join…
July 5th, 2007 at 5:06 pmWhere do these guys come from?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:07 pm“Sicko” must be having quite an impact on public opinion if Fox is already yelling about a universal health care/terrorism connection.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmComment by Zooey
Crying wolf with the “racism” thing is racist. He was simply pointing out their profession in relevance to the topic. Sheesh. Please prove the man’s comments specifically to be “racist.”
July 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmWhere do these guys come from?
Comment by Swill — July 5, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Homeschooled mostly.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI suppose we could apply that logic to any bureaucracy. The DHS and so on.
Comment by ForTruth — July 5, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Let’s also apply it to the CIA, FBI, Marines, Army, Air Force, National Guard and Navy… Sheesh!
America has many excellent socialized programs. What troll here would be willing to pay for police, fire, or infrastructure on an as-need basis?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pmSo to eliminate terrorism we can’t have national healthcare. Yeah, that goes to reason.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pmWell there are all those Swedish, and Norwegian terrorists planning to give you a good massage, and a soak in a hot spring.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:10 pmCT_V1
Thanks for proving your comments specifically to be “moronic.â€
And quit using dual identity, posting under the name Mr Pee.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:11 pmShoot. My doctor is Mexican-American. Obviously that means that he has 27 illegals–all cousins–living in his basement, all busy driving my wages down. The bastard!
Fox news: No conclusion too broad to jump; they’re the Evel Knievels of broadcast journalism.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:12 pmPlease prove the man’s comments specifically to be “racist.â€
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Read the comment - QED.
The only thing Mr P could say about these people was that they were muslim doctors. Of course the ‘muslim’ piece was extended into a racial epithet, probably equivalent to the ‘n’ word or perhaps the ‘y’ word for our peoples of the Torah. Happens to Tiger Woods all the time: ‘black man wins golf tournament’ - as if being black was the only notable thing about him.
So instead of ‘weren’t these homicidal maniacs doctors?’ We have a disgusting term for a race of people as part of the accusation.
Any other questions?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmARE YOU FRIGGIN’ KIDDING ME?!?!
If we have universal health coverage, the terrorists win?!?!
Pardon me while I puke on the nearest Republican.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmHey Z! Mr. P hasn’t a shred of credibility in any of his posts and is always throwing bigotry in our faces. Ignore the village idiot and he slinks away.
Comment by veritas
True, very true.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pm“Sicko†must be having quite an impact on public opinion if Fox is already yelling about a universal health care/terrorism connection.
Comment by SomeGaveAll — July 5, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Even my neurotic neocon brother and his wife are for UHC… It’s truly become the majority opinion. 79% of Americans want it.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWow. Fox has danced around the line between idiotic absurdity to outright self-parody. Well, today, it blissfully pranced over that line into laa-laa land.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:13 pmOh great…Now it’s bureaucracies that cause terrorism!
Will Bush invade every bureaucracy in America to root out the evildoers? Watch out Post Office, DMV, and even Congress!
There are powerful forces out to discredit Sicko and suppress the audience for it. that’s because it’s a such a profoundly moving experience. You cannot sit through that movie with dry eyes. That kind of emotional impact is even more persuasive than a bunch of statistics.
The right wing media has pulled out all the stops to destroy this movie. Even MTV’ took a swipe at it:
MTV’s Hatchet Man On Sicko
“After alleging that Moore is a brazen con man who cherry-picked facts and manipulated interviews, Loder calls Moore a “proud socialist.”
This just demonstrates their desperation.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWell there are all those Swedish, and Norwegian terrorists planning to give you a good massage, and a soak in a hot spring.
Comment by Krazny — July 5, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
I’ll take one of those for the team… How do I invite them over? :D
July 5th, 2007 at 5:15 pmCrying wolf with the “racism†thing is racist. He was simply pointing out their profession in relevance to the topic. Sheesh. Please prove the man’s comments specifically to be “racist.â€
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
Maybe I should have used the word “bigotry.” Do you think you’d feel better about that word?
Their profession is not ‘Muslim” nor “Shiteater.”
Prove the troll’s comments specifically not to be bigotted or racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:16 pmComment by Zooey
Sure.
A profession is not a race. The driver attackers happened to be doctors, the topic profession of this thread.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWell there are all those Swedish, and Norwegian terrorists planning to give you a good massage, and a soak in a hot spring.
Comment by Krazny
Terrifying. I’ll handle this….
July 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmLet’s be on our toes, folks, there could be bureaucrats lurking here at Think Progress, and some NSA spook is sure to notice…..
July 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmDo you people on the right realize what a laughinstock you are? I mean come on people!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:20 pmI think Cavuto’s mom is the one who breeds terrorists.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:20 pmSometimes I don’t know why we even argue with the little morons. You can step back from the computer randomly ask people, and they have ability to reason. These trolls don’t have a chance in hell, unless they cheat, which they do. Cue megaphone desktop companion…
July 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThanks for proving your comments specifically to be “moronic.â€
And quit using dual identity, posting under the name Mr Pee.
Comment by RUCerious
Given that I’m in the same room with a dump load of libecruds, it’s “scholarly” in comparison.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pmergo, Fox (s) News breeds terrorists. it makes sense to me. but I have to carry a piece of paper around with me that warns people that I can become mickle irritable if confronted with my shame
July 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pmA profession is not a race. The driver attackers happened to be doctors, the topic profession of this thread.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
You simply cannot read, can you?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI want me sum of dat gall durn sweetish messaje, a gurl wun.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:22 pmSeems he has just described the Bush / Cheney cabal version of the U.S. Government bureaucracy, from FEMA right down to beloved leaders Department of Homeland Security (Die Heimat, Das Vaterland, Sieg Heil).
July 5th, 2007 at 5:23 pmYou simply cannot read, can you?
Comment by gummitch — July 5, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Reading isn’t really all that important when you’re home-schooled.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:23 pmZoo,
save your wind on this one, not worth it!
All we have to do is have the Trolls defend their favorite Kool-aid enema dispenser, Faux NoNooz, and sit back and eat bon-bons.
Even I didn’t think Faux was this phucked up!!! ……………………………But I was wrong!!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:23 pmSo because there were terrorist doctors then that means universal healthcare is evil? That’s the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmMuslim Shiteaters â„¢
That term is to reference Muslims who are terrorists, not Muslims in general.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
CT, you have finally proven to me that you are, in fact, a troll.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI can no longer give you the benefit of the doubt.
Any other questions?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 5, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Islam is not a race.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmWhat’s the “y” word?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pmOh CT is most certainly a troll
July 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pmI think the Fox people themselves don’t believe half the shit, they sit back and wonder if the viewers will buy it.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:26 pm#56 That’s the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard. Comment by werenotgonnatakeit
And you only thought Faux was fair and balanced. Now you can add stupid to that tag line!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by toasterhead
I wasn’t homeschooled, but I don’t think it’s your position to judge a perfectly fine way of being educated.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmOh CT is most certainly a troll
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit
I made the mistake of thinking CT_V1 and Mr President were salvageable, and might actually be able to contribute to this blog in some positive manner.
I was wrong.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmFox News
Fairly Stupid and off Balance.
We make stuff up, and you swallow whatever we spit out.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmManaged, insurance-based health care is a three trillion dollar a year industry and these dispicable corporate whores will say anything to maintain this system.
But, just for the sake of argument, if socialized medicine IS a breeding ground for terrorists, we would have seen more terrorists by now in all of the other industrialized nations in the world who provide universal coverage or care for their citizens. The only doctor involved in the 9-11 attack was bin Laden’s second in command who was an Egyptian. I don’t believe they have socialized medicine in Egypt.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:29 pmI simply cannot believe how absolutely and positively stupid and ignorant this statement was.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:30 pmFox.. go figure..
I was wrong.
Comment by Zooey
Thank god, because if you were wrong, we were right.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pmBeats being a righteous sh*t-eating libetroll.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Pissants
Stay classy!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pmMAKES SENSE! I ALWAYS SUSPECTED THAT TERRORISTS WERE BEHIND THE COUNTER AS I STOOD IN LINE TO RENEW MY DRIVER’S LICENSE AND VEHICLE REGISTRATION.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by Zooey
Please distinguish a) a disagreement and b) not contributing. You seem to have the two confused.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmNational Healthcare. The reason there are terrorists. What the hell were we spending so much time trying to secure Iraq, we could be blowing up hospitals in England.
Say no to National Healthcare or the terrorists win.
/sarc.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:32 pmComment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Mr. President-hypocrite:
Are all Evangelical Christians as full of hate and intolerance as you are? Would Jesus approve of all your hate speech? I thought Jesus taught love.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:33 pmOK, ya?
I’m Marda Mardassen, your masseuse, ya?
OK, ya? Who’s first?
OK, ya? Yust climb up da ladder there onta da table, ya?
I know it’s 5 feet of da floor, ya,
but I don’t like ta havta bend over so far, ya know?
Whaa?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:34 pmOh quitcher whinin’, I’m a not gonna hurt yas….
Whaa?
You wanna male masseuse?
No, ya don’t, trust me, ya?
Dem males are just wussies, dey don know how to fix things proper.
Are you going to suggest torturing doctors now? Any one of em could be a turrorist!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:35 pmBut, just for the sake of argument, if socialized medicine IS a breeding ground for terrorists, we would have seen more terrorists by now in all of the other industrialized nations in the world who provide universal coverage or care for their citizens.
Comment by Shiek Yerbuti — July 5, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
Just wait - the Cuban-Canadian Alliance is getting ready to clobber us. Look at the big board!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:35 pmIs that guy wearing a wig? If not, it’s the worst haircut I’ve ever seen. What’s with the platinum blonde?
Even my ultra-Republican co-workers can’t muster up anything positive to say about our for-profit healthcare system.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmThank god, because if you were wrong, we were right.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
It’s interesting that you can so easily dismiss the one person on this blog who actually gave a shit about what you thought, or thought you might have something to contribute other than this shit you do.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmAre all Evangelical Christians as full of hate and intolerance as you are? Would Jesus approve of all your hate speech? I thought Jesus taught love.
Comment by Mr. President-NOT
Master Satan HATES YOU because you TELL THE TRUTH.
Master says that you either STOP telling the TRUTH, or you WILL NOT be coming to hell with Bush and Cheney, the PURE EVIL ones.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, TRUTH-TELLER!!!!
Satan Bless the Bushes and Cheneys and their EVIL supporters!!
Treasonously yours,
Traitor Ronnie and Master Satan
July 5th, 2007 at 5:37 pmComment by Shiek(sic) Yerbuti — July 5, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Are you an anti-troll troll?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:38 pmComment by toasterhead — July 5, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
The “Shiteater†part comes from the Salafist shit that they eat.
Comment by Mr. President — July 5, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Ohhh - makes sense. So why didn’t you say “Weren’t most of those MuslimSalafistWorldviewBelievers â„¢ in England doctors?” in the first place? That would’ve made so much more sense and been far more accurate.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:38 pmPlease distinguish a) a disagreement and b) not contributing. You seem to have the two confused.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
I’m not confused at all, CT.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:38 pmWHAT A DICK!
Comment by Shiek Yerbuti
There are more ways than one to get a solid education. I hope nobody puts you in charge of making a hiring decision. A weak decision that would be.
I see that with you libecrats, bigotry is a very narowly-defined word.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:39 pmComment by Ronald Reagan and Master Satan — July 5, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Clinton lied… is he going to hell?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:39 pmThese people are sick. God help us.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:40 pmZoo,
I had the same expereince with CT-4 a few days ago. He/she is on the verge of a fairly rational discourse and then goes sideways. (Me thinks it’s the meds, they are time-release, and his time just ran out).
July 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmComment by upside00 — July 5, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Al Gore III takes adderall, I don’t know if he has a legal prescription or not.
Did you hear about the bust?
TP doesn’t want you to know about it.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pm“It’s interesting that you can so easily dismiss the one person on this blog who actually gave a shit about what you thought, or thought you might have something to contribute other than this shit you do.”
Comment by Zooey
You see it too, Zoo, that underneath and behind and denied is a sharp, inquisitive, and potentially very creative person.
He’s just at that awkward stage where it’s all about attention getting, positive or negative, it doesn’t matter.
It could take years before the clamor in his brain settles down enough for him to hear his own voice.
And then again, we could be completely wrong, and he is after all just a squirrely little kid who sucks up to and manipulates the bullies in his life for the sake of a little security.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmIt’s interesting that you can so easily dismiss the one person on this blog who actually gave a shit about what you thought, or thought you might have something to contribute other than this shit you do.
Comment by Zooey
Time to demand TP ban these idiots that do nothing but attempt to disrupt ther threads. They have done it before, maybe we need to schedule another walkout
The racist crap, by itself is a bannable offence.
Too bad Judd is not here any longer…..
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmCT are you speaking in tongues?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmAmerica has many excellent socialized programs. What troll here would be willing to pay for police, fire, or infrastructure on an as-need basis?
Comment by unbelievable
Are you saying that doctors should be govt employees?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmJust wait - the Cuban-Canadian Alliance is getting ready to clobber us. Look at the big board!
Comment by toasterhead — July 5, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Well we are in between the two, and the Canadians have an awful lot of their population on the border hmmmmmmmmmm
July 5th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIs Al Gore III running for president? Is Jenna Bush? No. WTF does that have to do with anything but to change the subject from our complete and humiliating mockery of you right wingers and the pathetic nonsense that is your arguments.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:45 pmMr.rez, of course I heard about it, Al Gore Sr. has addressed it. What is your point? Where does this fit into this thread? Are you looking for a dealer? Try Rush Limburger, he has a whole pharmacy for you.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:46 pmTP doesn’t want you to know about it.
Comment by Mr. President
Gore III is not an officeholder, and is not running for office.
He is stupid kid that got caught with drugs, something that is repeated accross this country thousands of times a day.
Explain why this would be newsworthy or affects the government………
July 5th, 2007 at 5:48 pmWent fishing in Mexico a while back with some Canadians on a little charter, they were laughing their asses off at us for being such sheeple.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmAs they offered me one of their super nice Cuban cigars to puff on the way back in. Caught some nice roosterfish that day, made a couple of good friends. Nice cigars. We’re idiots to put up with our government.
Al gore’s kid,
Clinton,
Over there, so not here,
Military’s fault,
sandy bergler,
Marc Rich did it too.
Presidencial purogative,
A Prius does 100mph?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
I should dispatch hippie-cops to wrestle you to the ground, charge you with a variety of offenses.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:49 pmComment by ForTruth — July 5, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
All pertinent and excellent points, ForTruth.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by Wayne
Hilton’s parents aren’t office-holders, yet TP had countless threads on her.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmYou see it too, Zoo, that underneath and behind and denied is a sharp, inquisitive, and potentially very creative person.
Comment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Yes, I see it in both CT and Mr President, and have said it to them on several occasions, and asked them to actually participate here, rather than this crap they do. I see now that they are unable or unwilling to even try.
The racist crap, by itself is a bannable offence.
Too bad Judd is not here any longer…..
Comment by Wayne — July 5, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I agree, they should be banned for their racist comments. They should have gone the way of Santo long ago, although even Santo was not a racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmThe answer is simple- make sure the National Health Care plan isn’t a bureaucracy. BUT, Great Whitehead may have a point: nothing is more bureaucratic than the motor vehicle division, and approximately 251,272 more die from driving off the road than from terrorism. That’s a lot of people dying from not knowing how to stay on the road, not so many for terrorism. I wonder how many more people die from not getting the medical help they need than die as a result of terrorism. Of course, some of them have to be Muslim so those figures don’t count as HUMAN deaths… Right?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmAM I the only one that has noticed that mr prez has a real hard time staying close to the topic? I would surmise he has a severe case of ADD and needs his very own Adderall, a common treatment for ADD, as is ritillin.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmDUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmExplain why this would be newsworthy or affects the government………
Comment by Wayne — July 5, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I believe I cited the comment of the poster I was referring to.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:52 pmAre you saying that doctors should be govt employees?
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I asked is you were willing to pay for police, fire, highways, sewer pipes, traffic lights, etc. on an as-need basis. How you turned it into this question is a feat for Houdini…
I’m now a government employee in a socialized program, and I have to say, it beats working for Corporate America when it comes to freedom from profits. The education system has other problems, some of which do include financial priorities, but unlike being an Architect, my priority working for the government as an Educator is not money, and the lack of that pressure allows me to focus on what is important - my students.
In SiCKO, the UK doctor that Moore interviewed has no financial pressures the way US doctors do, so he is able to put his patients, not corporate profits first. The result is a healthier population.
The United States is the sickest Industrialized Nation in teh world. By a lot. Wonder why? Wonder no more…
July 5th, 2007 at 5:53 pmHilton’s parents aren’t office-holders, yet TP had countless threads on her.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
TP actually has a Topic heading called “Braindead Media,” which is what they’re highlighting with their threads about Paris Hilton — they are not threads about HER personally, or her parents.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:54 pmComment by Arn Gunnutes
Heh. Nope, doesn’t exist.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:54 pmNo, no, no. Fox got it all wrong. It is not universal health care that breeds terrorists, it is greedy Dick Cheney and his boy Bush that breed terrorists.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:54 pmThe United States is the sickest Industrialized Nation in teh world. By a lot. Wonder why? Wonder no more… Comment by unbelievable — July 5, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
And wow! demonstrates that sickness isn’t just physical, but mental as well…
July 5th, 2007 at 5:55 pmAttention Deficit Disorder
def.: a malady in which the sufferer feels anxiety when not receiving constant attention.
July 5th, 2007 at 5:55 pmAdderall gave me zits. The opiates prevent orgasm. And the downers are, well, downers, no fun there. Now the pot…..
July 5th, 2007 at 5:57 pmRaven,
You didn’t point out who that comment was directed at…. and they weren’t paying attention!
July 5th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI see that with you libecrats, bigotry is a very narowly-defined word.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
Hmmmm. Unlike with you conservatives, for whom bigotry is cast with a broad brush to include many different types of people. Is that what you mean, Einstien?
July 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pmYou were paying attention………;)
July 5th, 2007 at 5:58 pmHuh, I thought Adderall was snakebite medicine………….
July 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmComment by Zooey
TP’s coverage was a rally against the media, but they still spent too much times voicing their concerns. I really don’t believe they would of had the same reaction if it was Rosie O’Donnell stuck in the same predicament. They probably would have encouraged media involvement to point out the “injustices.”
July 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmAnd wow! demonstrates that sickness isn’t just physical, but mental as well…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — July 5, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
Sad, but oh so true…
In and of itself, a valid reason for UHC all on its own :D
July 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmunbelievable
Perhaps America could do an expriement where the blue states get UHC, and the red states do not. I bet it wouldn’t be two years before the red states were begging to join…
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! What a great idea. Of course “Buster Brown” must reside in a red state. And hey, all you red staters that DID NOT vote for Dick Cheney and his boy Bush are welcome to join us that live in the blue states. Now the reverse is true, too. Get the hell out of my blue state all you Cheney and his boy Bush voters.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pmComment by upside00 — July 5, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Excuse me,
say that I did have ADD, or another psychological affliction,
what is your point?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pmUsing this idiot’s logic, by creating more beauracracy through creating the Department of Homeland Security, Bush was actually AIDING the Al Qaeda terrorists. You know, because those terrorists just love government beauracracy according to this bleached out wingnut.
My God, Fox is becoming a parody of themselves. I can’t believe there are people stupid enough to watch what they present as “news”. There’s a very dimwitted segment of our society which actually believes Fox is the only “fair” news which gives both sides.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pmOh man, this is such a stretch of ill-logic…do the right really ever notice how utterly stupid they are.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:01 pmYou didn’t point out who that comment was directed at…. and they weren’t paying attention!
Comment by upside00
Oh, the irony…. :D
July 5th, 2007 at 6:01 pmComment by Shiek Yerbuti
You’re not innocent, that’s my point. I don’t think it’s really the place of you ‘crats to rail against bigotry when you practice your own. The case of religious hypocrisy, that’s only one example.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#133 The point is that you can’t sty on topic, which is a fairly common behavior of people with ADD. Which you triggered the topic with your comment about Al Gore 3.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pmMan, am I glad nobody got bit………………..
July 5th, 2007 at 6:03 pm#135 Zoo,
Just couldn’t resist. Sorry!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:04 pmTP’s coverage was a rally against the media, but they still spent too much times voicing their concerns. I really don’t believe they would of had the same reaction if it was Rosie O’Donnell stuck in the same predicament. They probably would have encouraged media involvement to point out the “injustices.â€
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
So you talked to Faiz and he told you his reasoning behind doing those threads? Is that it? Or are you psychic? I guess we’ll just never know about Rosie O’Donnell, since she obeys the law. That’s pure speculation on your part, isn’t it?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:04 pmThe NHS is the nearest thing to a religion that the British now have. For half a century the British have convinced themselves that the NHS is the envy of the world. It is — for the third world. And it is the third world’s doctors and nurses who keep alive this socialist cult of security from cradle to grave.
No politician dares to reform the NHS, which is still run by its white-coated medical priesthood. Even Margaret Thatcher, who was fearless with terrorists, quailed before the doctors and nurses. “The NHS is safe in our hands,” she said. But the question has long been: are we safe in the NHS’s hands?
Aneurin Bevan, the man who created this monster, explained how he had persuaded the senior doctors to submit to the state: “I stuffed their mouths with gold.” But training our own doctors is expensive. Today, the agencies that supply the NHS with doctors recruit their staff throughout Africa and Asia. Many are Muslims and, inevitably, some of them are Islamists.
The origins of the eight suspects arrested so far are diverse — Iraq, Jordan, India, Saudi Arabia — but all spent time at NHS hospitals or medical schools. One of them, who drove a blazing Jeep into an airport terminal and set fire to himself, is now being treated for burns that cover 90% of his body in the same hospital that unsuspectingly employed him. If he survives, he will owe his life to his intended victims.
Anybody with medical qualifications has been able to enter Britain with few questions asked. Of the 277,000 doctors in the NHS, some 128,000 — that is nearly four out of 10 — were trained abroad. It was a loophole that should have been obvious, given Al Qaeda’s declared strategy of recruiting highly educated professionals. The cell that launched last week’s attacks is probably not the only one.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:05 pmBrilliant, absolutely brilliant! What a great idea. Of course “Buster Brown†must reside in a red state. And hey, all you red staters that DID NOT vote for Dick Cheney and his boy Bush are welcome to join us that live in the blue states.
Thanks… It kinda goes along with the way the medical profession itself does trial studies to see if treatment works. And the trolls are always saying that the states should have more say, so let’s put it to the states.
One caveat, because this is part of the problem with education, is that the governing body of the system should not be an elected group of politicians, but actual doctors and medical administrators who are hired to focus on the system, rather than getting re-elected to a position in which they really have no actual experience…
Now the reverse is true, too. Get the hell out of my blue state all you Cheney and his boy Bush voters.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags — July 5, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Or, we could let some of them stay, and they would be the ones who would serve as healthier role models for their conservative brethern in red states :D
July 5th, 2007 at 6:06 pmIt’s fun to be part of the conversations going on between the threads, so to speak, that the trolls totally miss because of their infatuations with themselves.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:07 pmJust couldn’t resist. Sorry!!!
Comment by upside00
I thought it was quite brilliant, actually. :)
July 5th, 2007 at 6:07 pmWell, that’s about the dumbest thing I’ve read since the underwire bra and breast cancer assertion.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:08 pmNext they are going to tell us universal health care will lead to all nurses and then all women wearing burkas?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:09 pmRaven,
It gets better when even more of them show up. Kind of like putting a mirror in their cages and having a Troll self-abuse Feeding Frenzy.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:09 pmYou’re not innocent, that’s my point. I don’t think it’s really the place of you ‘crats to rail against bigotry when you practice your own. The case of religious hypocrisy, that’s only one example.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
As usual, what you post is entirely irrelevant. For the purposes of bigotry, what IS relevant is whether bigotry is encoded into the law. Every attempt to encode any form of bigotry into the law is perpetrated by conservatives and you know it.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:12 pmThese people really were pretty damn funny .. you know like flanders and the preacher on the Simpsons… until that is they got their hands on the power of our government and military.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:13 pmWhich you triggered the topic with your comment about Al Gore 3.
Comment by upside00 — July 5, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
You triggered the topic with your comment about CT:
I had the same expereince with CT-4 a few days ago. He/she is on the verge of a fairly rational discourse and then goes sideways. (Me thinks it’s the meds, they are time-release, and his time just ran out).
Comment by upside00 — July 5, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
There are people here who have first hand experience with psychological disease.
You don’t know if he has the affliction or not, and I thought that this was a rather insensitive statement.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWho is stupid enough to follow this crap???? oh wait. Bushies!!!!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmIt’s fun to be part of the conversations going on between the threads, so to speak, that the trolls totally miss because of their infatuations with themselves.
Comment by Raven
Absolutely. They put our generation, the Me Generation, to shame. They exist in the Only Me Generation.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:15 pmIt’s really funny when they forget who they are responding to.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:15 pmMr.P etc. really gets frenetic about this time of day, then he’ll
disapear for awhile, and come back with his new screen name du-jour
There are people here who have first hand experience with psychological disease.
You don’t know if he has the affliction or not, and I thought that this was a rather insensitive statement.
Comment by Mr. President
LOL
Know what I mean?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pmRaven,
Hi there… getting any rain in New Mexico or is it still dry?
The Richardson campaign is beginning to gather steam in PA.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pmKnow what I mean?
Comment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
That is a stunning statement, after his remarks about Muslims.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI asked is you were willing to pay for police, fire, highways, sewer pipes, traffic lights, etc. on an as-need basis. How you turned it into this question is a feat for Houdini…
I’m now a government employee in a socialized program, and I have to say, it beats working for Corporate America when it comes to freedom from profits. The education system has other problems, some of which do include financial priorities, but unlike being an Architect, my priority working for the government as an Educator is not money, and the lack of that pressure allows me to focus on what is important - my students.
In SiCKO, the UK doctor that Moore interviewed has no financial pressures the way US doctors do, so he is able to put his patients, not corporate profits first. The result is a healthier population.
The United States is the sickest Industrialized Nation in teh world. By a lot. Wonder why? Wonder no more…
Comment by unbelievable
Do you think doctors would want to be govt employees? Would that encourage the brightest minds to turn to medicine where they would make a fraction of what they make now? Would they be willing to go to school for so many years and have such high student loans to be govt employees? Your priority may not be making money, but do you want doctors to make $30k-$40K a year? I am actually on the fence with socialized health care. I agree that there is a major problem with our current system, but the search for profits is what leads to breakthroughs in many cases? If there is no money in it for the brightest I am afraid that we will suffer. Also I am not a fan of the govt taking over something and adding more red tape.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:18 pmFrank, I can see you’ve done a lot of thinking about this Islamic terrorist doctor thing. Do you think fighting the various factions in Iraq is the best way to deal with this threat? How do you think fighting a war in Iraq prevents terrorists disguised as doctors coming into this or any other country?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:20 pmDo you get upset when people call Christians nut jobs? And so you Islam is not a race, so saying something like “Muslims are …” cannot be racist just like saying “Christians are…” cannot be racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:20 pmBoth Zooey and I have tried to have rational discourse with CT4 and both of us have had him/her go sideways on us.
I just hope he/she is under Doctor’s care or will seek some real soon (assuming there is healthcare coverage in the family).
And being on here is NOT for the weak!!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:22 pmYou come in with flu symptoms and he diagnoses it as a severe case of being a Jew.
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
I’m pretty sure that IRI got banned for less than this… WTF Faiz?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmDo you get upset when people call Christians nut jobs? And so you Islam is not a race, so saying something like “Muslims are …†cannot be racist just like saying “Christians are…†cannot be racist. Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
You actually think that either of you wingnut religio-fascists look any different to sane people? You Christian/Jewish nutjobs are no different than this Islamic ones. You’re all the same. Whether you’re murdering doctors or yourselves - you’re lunatics!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmGreetings, CDwF
Rained pretty good last night here, I think the monsoon season may be upon us.
We are still fortunate, with respect to other parts of the Southwest.
I am putting my shoulder behind Richardson now, help him go as far as possible.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI’m beginning to understand your liking for him.
He has integrity.
It kills any future doctors who may have Islamists ideas. What do you think of socialized medicine where 40% of your doctors are trained in foreign countries and allowed free entrance to commit mass murder?
How come Moore left this great benefit of socialized medicine out of his movie?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:23 pmComment by upside00
So, where the hell do you come from, by the way?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:26 pmActual headline from yesterday’s Scottish newspaper the Record.
HERO CABBIE: I KICKED BURNING TERRORIST SO HARD IN BALLS THAT I TORE A TENDON
I wish I could put that on my resume. Being that he’s Scottish, he should have shouted, “FREEEEDOM!” as he did it.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:27 pmSO, in CT4’s mind, if someone called him/her a Christian Shiteater,it would not be racist and he/she would be fine with that.
Glad we got that cleared up.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmNever ever comment to Mr. President, he is the most pathetic idiot on the treads, really why even read the crap he posts. The moron is just that A MORON. Loser in real life, hated by all, heck even dogs hate that moron.
If is is signed Mr. President, just skip over it, it will just be something stupid anyway.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmI’m pretty sure that IRI got banned for less than this… WTF Faiz?
Comment by unbelievable — July 5, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
I’m actually beginning to miss IRI.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmGlad we got that cleared up.
Comment by upside00
That’s right. It wouldn’t be racist.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI come from the state of Serenity, and sometimes out of left field.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:30 pmDo you think doctors would want to be govt employees?
You say that as if it’s unthinkable…
Would that encourage the brightest minds to turn to medicine where they would make a fraction of what they make now?
Actually, yes. In fact, it would get rid of those who only go into medicine for the money.
In SiCKO, the UK doctor drove an Audi, lived in a million dollar home in London and said he was more than comfortable. Anyone who isn’t okay with that has no business being a doctor…
Would they be willing to go to school for so many years and have such high student loans to be govt employees?
It’s why college education is free in many countries.
They would still be making a lot of money. Education Administrators make 6 figures…
Your priority may not be making money, but do you want doctors to make $30k-$40K a year?
They wouldn’t. In the UK, the doctor Moore interviewed made more than twice that as a resident, and said that full MDs make even more. In addition, they get paid extra for positive results - such as getting a patient to stop smoking, so there is still, to a varied degree, reward for good work.
I am actually on the fence with socialized health care. I agree that there is a major problem with our current system, but the search for profits is what leads to breakthroughs in many cases? If there is no money in it for the brightest I am afraid that we will suffer. Also I am not a fan of the govt taking over something and adding more red tape.
Comment by wow! — July 5, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Instead of assuming, do some research and definitely go see SiCKO. CNN fact checked the movie and said that Moore did well…
The government does a great job with most of our social programs. I doubt medicine would be any different considering all the other countries we have to use as a foundation.
Don’t fear what you don’t know - educate yourself with unbiased information and facts…
July 5th, 2007 at 6:31 pmYa got me Zoo, thanks for the quick redline!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:32 pmComment by Raven — July 5, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
I was correcting Zooey’s remark in one of the conversations that I missed, which was going on between the threads (so to speak), because of my total infatuation with myself.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:32 pmMy posts are most certainly relevant when set against this specimen, ‘Shiek Yerbuti’ who should hurry up and log off so he’ll make it in time for Bin Laden’s slumber party.
You’re a nutty bigot, so run along. Perhaps homeschooling would’ve, in fact, been a productive option for you.
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent — July 5, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
I see the esteemed poster who uses the term “Muslim Shiteater” is calling me a bigot. This is the problem when one tries to argue with stupid people. Stupid people don’t know they’re stupid.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmLike the Department of Homeland Security? Or maybe the CIA? Or maybe the NSA? Or the FBI? Or the DIA?
Thank you Fox News, for making the point that DHS, CIA, NSA, FBI, and DIA all breed terrorism.
And thanks again, Fox News.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pm#166
The government does a great job with most of our social programs.
Now that is funny.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmI’m actually beginning to miss IRI.
Comment by Zooey — July 5, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
He just disappeared one day. I think the Muslims finally got him… :D
Gotta run… Later ya’lls
HEALTHCARE FOR ALL AMERICANS!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmYa got me Zoo, thanks for the quick redline!
Comment by upside00
We must always be accurate with the Only Me Generation.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmComment by Buck Fush — July 5, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
I’m sorry maybe you would prefer if I said:
Chimpeach! Chimpeach! CHIMPEACH!!!
all day, like you Lefty idiots!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmDoes Moore mention in his “movie” that socialized medicine is being used by Al Qaeda to attack Europeans?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmAnd I was simply pointing out that you and the Comptroller are one (well, sort of one) and the same.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmIf the “Dean of Dissent” doesn’t get the concept that “bigotry” is more relevant when codified into law, maybe the Dean should lose his tenure.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmI was correcting Zooey’s remark in one of the conversations that I missed, which was going on between the threads (so to speak), because of my total infatuation with myself.
Comment by Mr. President
I don’t need correction, thanks. My meaning was clear to the person I was conversing with.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:35 pmAnd I was simply pointing out that you and the Comptroller are one (well, sort of one) and the same.
Comment by Raven
They are actually different people, amazingly enough.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pmIndeed we must, they are Special Needs Children! And I don’t think CT4 likes where I come from. (seemy answer to his question on #160).
July 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pmIf you mean “Great minds think alike” then I agree.
But if you are implying that he is I and I am him, one super-troll who can change handles at lightening fast speeds, then you are mistaken.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pmIRI was driving to fast down a backroad in his huge 4×4, and his rifle bounced out of the gunrack and hit him on the head.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:38 pmHe was spotted at the opening of SiCKO in Dallas, wearing a helmet and neck brace, and panhandling the movie goers.
Comment by wow!
There is absolutely no reason for doctors to make less money just because they are working for a not-for-profit or the government. The profits that milk our system isnt going to the doctors and the drug scientists… its going to wall street and a few very rich execs.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:38 pmThe government does a great job with most of our social programs.
Now that is funny.
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Frank, I think the problem here is that government generally does a good job when competent people are involved. For example, Clinton hired James Lee Witt to run FEMA. Witt was a professional with lots of experience handling natual disasters. FEMA ran great during the Clinton years. Bush, as usual, treated federal appointments as strictly a patronage issue and we got Brownie. The rest is history.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pm“They are actually different people, amazingly enough.”
Comment by Zooey
No………. really?
Watch for me on Colbert, as I attempt to burn my birchbark diploma…………………….
July 5th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI don’t need correction, thanks. My meaning was clear to the person I was conversing with.
Comment by Zooey
Of course you don’t.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:40 pmIt’s amazing how the trolls take control of this blog. You don’t see this much troll traffic at other sites. And folks here just keep arguing with the trolls. It’s like having an arguement with a teenager. There will always be about 1/4 to 1/3 of the people that will neverchange their minds. Who moved the cheese?
July 5th, 2007 at 6:42 pmRaven,
If that is what actually happened to IRI, then we may lose a lot more trolls here…. that gunrack thing is a common affliction among the NRA Repugs. That and getting shot in the face by a drunk Darth Cheney.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:43 pmDoes Moore mention in his “movie†that socialized medicine is being used by Al Qaeda to attack Europeans?
Comment by Frank J — July 5, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Frank, let me remind you that the rest of the industrialized world had universal healthcare for their citizens long before we had a “War on Terror.” What’s happened recently? Oh yeah. The War in Iraq. Michael Moore has been arguing for years that the War in Iraq would lead to more terrorism, so I think since that War is newer than universal healthcare, it is more likely that it is what is leading to this new form of terrorism.
Does that make any sense to you? It’s called “critical thinking.”
July 5th, 2007 at 6:44 pm“Actually, yes. In fact, it would get rid of those who only go into medicine for the money.
In SiCKO, the UK doctor drove an Audi, lived in a million dollar home in London and said he was more than comfortable. Anyone who isn’t okay with that has no business being a doctor…”
I don’t care if they are in it or not for the money, I want the best and brightest doing my surgeries.
“It’s why college education is free in many countries.
They would still be making a lot of money. Education Administrators make 6 figures…”
So to have free healthcare you have to have free education?
“They wouldn’t. In the UK, the doctor Moore interviewed made more than twice that as a resident, and said that full MDs make even more. In addition, they get paid extra for positive results - such as getting a patient to stop smoking, so there is still, to a varied degree, reward for good work.”
I like the idea of paying doctors more as their skills grow, but how much is that compared to now? You may not like money being the big incentive to get into medicine, but it is human nature to want to be very well off and live comfortably. Especially if you are in a high stress and high skill job as a surgeon.
“Instead of assuming, do some research and definitely go see SiCKO. CNN fact checked the movie and said that Moore did well…
The government does a great job with most of our social programs. I doubt medicine would be any different considering all the other countries we have to use as a foundation.
Don’t fear what you don’t know - educate yourself with unbiased information and facts…”
I have done a great deal of research on results in other countries and theories on what it would do to our country, which is why I am on the fence. As for unbiased, Moore may have passed the fact check, but that does not mean it was not presented in an unbiased perspective. I don’t think he lied or anything, but I doubt he included any interviews of doctors or nurses that have had problems with universal healthcare or even patients that have had to wait due to lack of beds. He is far from unbiased. I will watch the movie when it comes out on DVD.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:44 pmHmm. That’s odd. I suppose that since you aren’t a patient reader, I should be penalized despite explaining that “that term is to reference Muslims who are terrorists, not Muslims in general.â€
Comment by CT_V1, Dean of Dissent
As ForTruth pointed out above, you must have no problem whatsoever calling certain so-called African Americans ni**ers, because it doesn’t apply to African Americans in general.
Thanks for clearing that up.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:45 pmIt’s interesting that you can so easily dismiss the one person on this blog who actually gave a shit about what you thought, or thought you might have something to contribute other than this shit you do.
Comment by Zooey
Well Zooey, I hate to say “I told you so.” but I seem to be unable to control myself.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:46 pmWatch for me on Colbert, as I attempt to burn my birchbark diploma…………………….
Comment by Raven
Just don’t throw it at the life-sized Clinton cutout. Ouch!
July 5th, 2007 at 6:47 pmWell Zooey, I hate to say “I told you so.†but I seem to be unable to control myself.
Comment by shane
My dear, I accept your “I told you so,” and I am humbled.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI couldn’t have lived with myself if I hadn’t tried, and I think you’ll agree that I did try. I finally reached my limit.
Don’t be such a stupid Islamist sheik.
Comment by Frank J
Its been SIX years now and you STILL dont know about American bases in Saudi Arabia? About hundreds of thousands dead in Iraq from sanctions? About the original terrorists (who happened to be jews) being given what they demanded by creating a “jewish” state in the middle of arab country? About Irans leader being over thrown for a lacky of the west? About the CIA training Egyptians to torture the religious freaks instead of prison or some other more human tactic? About giving Saddam WMDs? The freakin list goes on and on… were the arabs doing bad things during this time? Yes… but then again THEY LIVE THERE… we dont have any business over there… except OIL…
July 5th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI was just thinking about how lame that last little bit was, he could have ended it much cleaner by tossing it over his shoulder………….;)
July 5th, 2007 at 6:52 pm